##VIDEO ID:A2GktDLa4uo## maybe they want to talk about Flor no I get one of eight one of eight two of eight three of eight four of you got kidding on my phone just the title have to do something to make this go oh that onl s to a computer you go my handy D could this's already set up for me it's on [Music] good evening everyone welcome to avito city council chambers if everyone could please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance and if I could ask pack 100 to lead us whatever you guys ready I pled to the of the United States of America and to the repic for it stands one nation god indiv with liy and justice for all you please join me in a moment of silence [Music] okay I would like to call our meeting to order it is January 6th at approximately 6:30 p.m. and we have all members of council present so we don't have any ceremonial items so we're going to move on to the approval of the minutes I'll make a motion to approve the minutes for December 2nd 2024 regular session second we have a motion in a second and for our last meeting we're going to move forward with following our Charter I'm going to ask the clerk to call a roll call vote motion council member bford yay yay I'm sorry um mayor slik yay council member Britain yay Deputy Mayor tuer yay council member a yay okay the motion carries so we're going to move on to item number three which is our public comment portion of our meeting I do have a written request to speak um someone say something the first person I have up here is agesa Francis sorry if I said that wrong if you could please come up state your name and address for the record and then you have uh three minutes to speak thank you good evening everyone aesa Francis 185 Lake highest road uh sorry one second is that mic on that's the wrong I just want to make sure we can hear you that's the highest one we have it's on though you can continue I canar you can continue thank you okay uh so good evening everyone again um so I'm here to advocate for the removal of Flor diet from our water supply uh while the intention behind the water fluoridation is to improve Dental Health growing evidence Rises concerns about its safety atcts and long-term Health implication number one health risk of Flor diet exposure florite is classified as neurotoxin and Studies have linked excessive florite exposure to developmental neurological disorders research published in well respected journals highlights florite potential load in lowering IQ in children and negatively impacting cognitive development number two potential arm to vulnerable population certain groups such as infants pregnant women and individuals with kidney problems are more prone to fluide adverse effects number three ethical concerns regarding informant consent adding fluide to water is form of mass medication that deny denies individuals the choice to opt out unlike other medical intervention water fluoridation does not allow for personalized dosing based on age health conditions or individual needs informed Concepts is a Cornerstone of medical ethics and water fluoridation bypasses this fundamental PR principle questionable Effectiveness the decline into Decay rates in non fluid counties countries suggest that fluoridation is not the sole factor in improving Dental Health Modern Dental Hygiene practices such as regular brushing with toothpaste and access to Dental Care play a far greater role in oral health outcomes and last number five environmental impact excess fluorite discharge into waste water can harm aquatic ecosystem Studies have shown that elevated fluide levels in water bodies can negatively affect fish and other Aquatic Life disturbing delicate ecosystem in conclusions conclusions It's Time pro prioritize individual Choice consider the health risk I urge the council to take a closer look at this issue consider removing Flor diet from our water supply thank you for your time and attention thank you uh next up I have a request from Bethany Kyrie and Carter Stevenson I don't know if you guys want to come up together or separately okay that's fine please State your uh name and address for the record okay thank you you want to go first my name is Carter I don't like fluoride in our water because it's toxic please remove it from our water sources you to go stay here good evening my name could please say your name and address oh the address yes okay uh 4425 Willer Creek Drive thank you my name is Bethany Stevenson um I'm a Florida resident I grew up here lived here all my life um so in November we heard Florida Surgeon General Dr Joseph lpo issue a recommendation against water fluoridation due to the neuros psych psychiatric risk associated with fluoride exposure some municip M municipalities in the state have elected to remove the fluoride from the drinking water While others continue to mold the idea while Gathering public input since the Court ruling 27 communities serving water to approximately 1,772 th000 people have ended or suspended supended water floration including several communities that have infinite indefinitely postponed or rejected proposals to initiate the floration among these are counties in Utah Texas Florida Wisconsin uh we've seen Naples Winter Haven Stuart Florida tarez Porto luia um Florida Keys Fort Pierce St Lucy West tassi and Barto all vote to end the water floration um in 1901 dentist Frederick McKay began a 30-year study known as the Colorado brown stain um where he discovered that residents who were exposed to um fluoride had brown stains on their teeth and would soon discover that there was a beneficial trade-off for this condition those Afflicted with the brown stain showed a lack of tooth decay in cavities and after an analysis of the local water supply McKay found an unusually high amount of fluoride which he credited to the lack of Decay and for the cause for the brown stain this is known as dental fosis and is present in roughly 58% of adolescents this mild discoloration has been a known side effect of fluid of fluid since the beginning with the benefit of cavity and Decay reduction outweigh the risk however in the last few decades an abundance of medical research has emerged that shows much profound potentially dangerous leading to an ongoing legal battle to end this practice fluide is essentially toxic to the human body although in small days doses no acute effects or P perceived our kidneys are able to filter about 50% of the fluoride that we consume but the rest is stored up in the body and known to build up over time one organ that is particularly susceptible to fluoride buildup is the pineal gland the part of our brain responsible for regulating sleep and reproductive hormones this is also known as your third eye um that's very toxic to humans and regardless of all of that it is a medical prevention a medical intervention that um should be given by the consent of the people and should not be forced on us thank you for listening um I don't have any other written request to speak does anybody else wish to speak oh he just wanted to say something oh sure go ahead we can go ahead bab hi my name hi my name is Kyrie Stevenson and I would like you to please take out the fluoride in our water it is toxic and not good for your body thank you for listening thank you thank you guys uh is there anybody else wishing to speak hearing none I'm going to close public comment and we're going to move on to the next item on our agenda which is our consent agenda what is the pleasure of council motion to approve the consent agenda second we have a motion in a second any discussion no counc Brittain no council member Ro can we break off 4554 for a couple of additional questions 554 d25 d25 okay so item number six we're going to move to 9A if that works Mr cob and can we also move uh item number four resolution 45 47-25 which one's that sorry oh wait nope am I doing the right one nope the 45 52-25 item number five the investment you want to move number five and six off consent correct yeah were you between the two of you did you have another one 45554 is number six okay six so I'm gonna make number five 9 a and then I'm going to make number six 9B that works all right so if we can uh make a what is the pleasure of Council on the rest of the items items 4 7 8 and N does there have to be a new motion yeah I think so yes right or no do we need a new motion or can we go forth with that you should amend the get motion okay then have a new motion for you so does the motion want to amend the motion I will amend the motion I'll make the motion to approve the consent agenda while removing uh items five and six yes is it five and six we remove and six okay all right second I'll ask the clerk to do a roll call vote council member bford yay council member Brit yay mayor slik yay Deputy Mayor tuer yay council member a yay okay the motion passes so we're going to move on to item number 9A prus Le item five resolution number 45522 Award of investment advisory Services Mr Cobb would you please provide a brief introduction uh yes thank you Deputy Mayor this is a request for the council to approve the selection of a firm for investment advisory services and I'm going to turn it over to Mr Boop he's been the lead staff in putting this together the city did do a request for proposals and we did receive I believe it was four responsive proposals uh a committee of Staff members reviewed those proposals and they narrowed it down to two those two companies then came in and gave uh they were interviewed by the committee and the the Chandler Investments was Channeler asset management was the uh was the company that was selected by the committee tonight uh we're asking that you approve an agreement with Chandler uh management Asset Management to uh provide the investment advisory services and Mr Boop will um will'll give you a little bit more detail you gave me two three M presiding officer uh Deputy Mayor if if it would be helpful and make it quicker I'd be glad to to share the angle that makes me hesitate to vote Yes um would anybody else want to see the presentation first uh or we can hear what mayor wants to say first we can hear what the mayor wants to say go ahead uh well in calculating the size of the money that will be managed which is about $60 million portfolio and the fees it looks like the fees are going to be roughly $378,000 a year so I'm looking at this wondering why when this has been handled inous in the past and it's never been an expense why we would not if if you're you're planning for retirement or whatever it may be why would we not bring on an in-house person who could do this for Less uh because if they the price is you know 6 3ish of 1% and the max that we can make on these very limited Investments because of the legal construct of having to curate this style of you know funding if the most we can make is like 2% and 63% of it goes to manage it then we could have a person who does a less good job and still the city would still net more so that that is what I'm hoping you can maybe speak to now well thank you for your perspective mayor I really appreciate that um Madam chair members of council mayor um Annie if you can please go to page three of my presentation I think this will help us understand a little bit more just exactly what the the fees are going to be underneath this Arrangement should be page number three in my presentation that I handed out as well maybe it's page number four cost of services it's page five is it page five page five we just forward that sorry oh I was off by a by a decimal so yeah this seems better I have no problem okay was that our issue solved the issue is solved sometimes you need a print out so are we sometimes you need a print out yeah because I I yeah I guess I didn't have enough decimals when I was doing my math okay any other any other questions before we uh boy I'm delighted thank you what a deal so so what if that put it to I don't remember the number 37,500 yeah you move that decimal right here yeah okay well are there any other questions for Mr Boop all right I'll entertain a motion make a motion to approve resolution number 45 52-24 25 second we have a motion in a second will the clerk call the roll council member Britain I'm bford I'm sorry it's motion first so you're up oh uh yay council member Britain yay mayor slik yay Deputy Mayor tuer yay council member a yay the motion carries so we're going to move on to item number 9B 4554 d25 the third amendment to disaster debris removal services agreement Mr cop yes thank you Deputy Mayor this is a request to amend our contract with our debris management company and uh I got the wrong one excuse me here we are there we go the basics of this amendment is our current contract has a Provisions in it as well as a fee schedule in it that allows for the picking up of debris and then hul it to a um to the um I'm sorry I went blank I apologize for that um to the um wasting I have approved landfill to the landfill yes to the landfill I'm sorry I I went blank anyway what FEMA requires us to do is to go from the pick it up on the RightWay take it to our site first where it can be compacted and counted and reviewed by by our inspectors and then take it to the landfill and so what we're doing tonight is to amend the agreement such that it accounts for taking it to our site first and then taking it to the landfill second rather than the one time of going from the r r of way to the landfill and that's what this does it there's no change as far as the fee schedule adds it the overall fee schedule doesn't change but we have to put in the intermediate step into the agreement in order to take care of going from the right of way to our site to the landfill and so that's what that's the purpose of this amendment is to account for that and it's recommended that the council adopt resolution number 40 4554 d25 council member OT do you have any questions since was your topic yeah do I need to make a motion to approve it before discussion or yeah I guess so okay I move to approve uh 4 5 54-25 Second okay we have a motion and a second any discussion yeah so uh you said a second ago that the fee schedule didn't change but we're we're now going to pay twice right from the uh RightWay to the DMS and then again from the DMS to the right but I to the landfill I'll let Mr we're not paying twice we're um what they did the first time around this was was an oversight the first time not not this pass with Milton but with Ian they used used the same uh pay item twice so in here they just clarified it so now there's two pay items when there should have been two in the first place does that make sense okay so they would just build the same bu item twice what they did was they had one one pay item during Hurricane Ian and they used it twice so it was the from the rideway all the way to LFO they used it twice rather than now they broke it down from landfill to DMS and then DMS to landfill okay so for that same 15 miles then it's going to be the 6.95 per cubic yard corre there's no price increase anything all they did was just kind of clarify it okay yeah that's all it is clarification it's administrative okay but thema as picky as they are they wouldn't they wouldn't allow our debris hauler to get paid until we clarified the the pay in our contract okay so that's really what we're doing all right sounds good to me okay uh council member bford um questions council member Britain no coun or mayor sik um I will just ask that's like a FEMA thing we have to do double the work just to get the refund rate uh in a way yes that's a you got to love government kind of thing but okay I'm good with it's just more dotting you know dotting the eyes Crossing double the work just to get paid thank God okay I'm good so um we have a motion in a second the clerk please call the roll council member bford yay council member a yay mayor slik yay Deputy Mayor tuer yay council member Brittain [Music] yay the motion carries so moving on we have no public hearings no first reading of ordinances no resolutions so we are going on to discussion items which is number 13 committee assignment for City Council Members Mr cob uh thank you Deputy Mayor this is that time of year where uh you all get to pick the Committees that you wish to serve on for the next year we do this after the elections and after everyone gets sworn in we we do this normally uh what would happen is that you all first would decide if you want to continue serving on these committees and then if there's someone who wants to not continue then you would you would uh then appoint someone else to serve on those committees the uh would tell you that Mr poock since he's rotated off uh he was the alternate for Kalo so you will need to pick the alternate for count tonight would also like to uh the senior committee you do not need to pick because back this past year we established the Parks and Recreation Advisory board so the senior committee that replace the senior committee so you do not need to pick a representative for that and I'll turn it back over to you Deputy Mayor to facilitate this selection for the different committees okay and thank you pack 20 100 from Centrum we appreciate you guys coming out um I will say let's go over yeah so why don't we go with the open seats and if anybody does not want to continue in the seat they current serve right is that a good way to start yeah and this is open discussion so if you guys want to chime in I'm willing to be the Calo Al alternate is anybody looking to be the Cal alternate you want to be the alternate yeah I'm good with that anybody else I'd like to do the uh parks and recs advisory committee if if I can as one of mine don't know if it has a council rep I do not know if the parks and wreck has a council rep representative on it I don't I don't need to be a representative I just want to be involved with it okay okay I do have to say though on the U simal County Community Services block grant Advisory Board I can no longer do that I had a hard time last year trying to make those meetings once quarter it's a Tuesday it's 4:00 it's uh up in Lake Mary I I just with my job right now I'm traveling I just can't do it does anybody have interest in a Tuesday at 4 o'clock for that board feel like I hear the Crickets MH um okay well I can I can make it happen if nobody else is available but I want to make sure Mr OT gets a chance to do something if you have availability but that it's kind of in the middle of the workday I get that thinking about that 4:00 how often is that one once a quarter oh once a quarter I can probably make that happen yeah yeah appreciate it it's it's a good board uh you'll be on it with uh two other uh City Council Members um gentlemen from maitlin and um someone from sford Altimont Altimont is Mr Jackson still on that board Mr Jackson's on that board and I would take it even though we don't have an alternate you can't make it you could tap in someone else if you needed to okay okay so we'll put down council member op for that one thank you Mr R um are there any other positions that people don't want to continue in or something someone's interested in in taking over wasn't there a sustainability board or committee yes that's a it's a citizen committee it doesn't have a [Music] council I will say the friends of Lake Jessup has not met in a long time but I'm happy to stay on there if it [Music] does is everybody good yeah yep all right you have your direction that was easy so moving on to the city manager's report uh thank you Deputy Mayor I only have a couple of things for you tonight uh want is to wish everyone a Happy New Year and also uh this Wednesday uh from 900 a.m to 12: p.m. our the simal county legislative delegation will be holding their annual meeting uh at the uh senal County Commission Chambers and uh Patrick Kelly and chief Coleman will be presenting our Entertainment District if you'll remember back a couple meetings ago you gave us Direction to move forward this legislative session uh the first step in requesting the Entertainment District is to present it to the legislative delegation I understand that each of you may have received an invitation to the meeting I just wanted to find out who will be attending in case we need to publish a notice saying that we'll have multiple council members at the meeting since uh Mr Kelly and uh Chief Coleman will be presenting I think that's means City business so um if I know uh Deputy Mayor you told me that you were going to be attended I didn't know if any of the others were going planning to attend the meeting I did get the invitation but I cannot attend so I won't be there there's a chance I'll be there okay we'll go ahead and post it just be on the safe side okay do you have anything else Mr cop that is all I have de all right moving on to the city attorney's report uh thank you Deputy Mayor I have a couple things uh to discuss with you tonight t uh the first is concerning uh the charter provision that we are operating under which is um council members required to vote and this is [Music] 38086 uh this is the procedure we're now following that uh the clerk is taking a roll call vote I was requested to take a look at that and the possibility of of not following Charter or effectively amending the charter to um provide that uh a roll call vote by the clerk is not needed uh since I've been with the city we've never done that it's always been a Voice vote um the the the concern being it's going to slow things down slowing the meeting down uh so the request was made to look into it a number of cities Charters do have this provision I believe most of them don't follow it I'm not familiar with many cities that do I have a small City over in Su count that does follow it but most of the ones I've been involved with do not they take a Voice vote as we typically have done and um this is a revision our Charter which says uh you know roll call vote by the clerk the question can can we amend the charter uh typically you amend the charter by a public referend uh so in looking at statutes and attorney general's Provisions provision opinions there is a section in the Florida Statutes 16621 which kind of outlines um you can't change your Charter if it violates state law but under the home rule uh provision of the Florida of the Florida statute says you can make changes as de necessary and it says you can make them without R referendum except for certain things which is territorial boundaries and um anything to do with the voting or the term of council or or or so on so forth so this would be more of a procedural uh thing so I believe that we can we could amend the charter by ordinance without submitting that ordinance to the to the uh uh voting public and referendum form so if that's if that is of interest to the council uh I would I would probably and thinking it through I would think we could simply add language that gives the presiding officer the the option to either have a roll call Vote or just a Voice vote is what I would suggest would be an easy way but of course I want to discuss with council tonight to see if that's a way you would like to go and then might come back obviously with an ordinance and and a memorandum so on that you looking for direction right now I'm looking for direction wa I will open that up that seems like a slippery slope to have us unilaterally change the city's Constitution or Charter in this case I'm I'm fine going back to the way we were doing it I mean I don't see the issue there as well Mr so to be clear you're okay with going to Voice vote is that what you're saying so so um last week uh council member Britain cited a section of the charter that said we could make modifications for expedience um that was using you know that was regarding Robert's Rules and that's what I was thinking what we were doing all along is we follow Robert's Rules and that was one of the exceptions we can make yeah our Charter does say that we will follow the the what our Charter says is the the the council has the right to establish rules and procedures that follows in if absence of doing that we follow rules rers which basically says we can make our own and we do have a order of business rules and procedures but we don't address that in here so do you believe that provision in the charter would allow us to do a Voice vote without amending the charter no I I think that the Florida statute um allows a a m what would be almost ministerial but a procedural change without a referendum we would have to adopt an ordinance we' have be an ordinance where would be two readings first reading and a public hearing and which the the public could object if they wanted to but I I believe that this this type of a change would not require referendum it would require the adoption of an ordinance so even even though something is in the charter already that seems to what what does that section mean if if not that then it just just means that the council has to vote on all issues no I'm talking about the section that that says that we can deviate for expediency that has to do with the rules and regulations rules and regulations okay that would not apply to this in your opinion that is that is that that's that is that covers Robert's Rules of Order which which governs for instance you know we have the Pledge of Allegiance we have the call you know call to order we have the uh resolutions and AD do so that's the order of the business that the that the uh Council follows in each of the meetings uh this would be uh this is and that's not covered in the chart that's not the those kind of are not covered in the charter they're covered on the rules and regulation that the council's adopt Mr Hall if I understand it correctly um we have if it's not written otherwise we follow Robert's Rules and then we have two pages that say otherwise and one of those things on otherwise is how we vote and a couple other things are on there it's not a lot it's very short so this is one of the things on there that's not underneath there that's what we would have to modify so that's what we are looking at potentially modifying and since it is I guess he looked into if it is a major shift in certain requirements it has to go to referendum if it's a procedural thing that doesn't actually affect yeah that that would be the interpretation like I said I could not find General opinion that dealt with it they kind of went around it and said oh there's C circumstances it's okay because the voters aren't impacted there's no impact on the voters okay um and um you know there's no impact on the term of the council or how they're elected or how they qualified or or anything so it it's kind of a local issue is the way the is the way I interpret the statute Brian can I ask you a question yes sir I don't I don't remember since I've been up here that we have done a Voice vote I can probably count them on one hand when did when was the last time we followed this for formally as far as the roll call vote yeah um I was sitting there I tried to think about it myself I think we have it goes back um I think I remember uh mayor P Pierre used it maybe once or twice yeah but I mean where it was it was done all the time as far as where how we prior meetings to this where the the presiding officer would just ask those in favor those against and whoever was in favor would say a and those against would also would say nay uh with the as far as individual roll call vote it like I said I only know it's only been used maybe once or twice and I can remember but we never had it really we never really followed it no we've never really followed if I could well that doesn't mean that we we've been following our Charter if if we could have the clerk pull up on the screen the the provision of the charter is section [Music] [Music] 38.0652 council member present at the council table at that time shall cast either an affirmative or negative vote on such issue or question except as provided by the general laws of the State of Florida and the clerk shall record the individual vote of each in the minutes and U just for some context uh I've been to a city council meeting in every city in simal county and Alon they rattle them off easy peasy I I I remember that happening and Winter Springs does the same thing and they do it so methodically that they change who answers first uh to try to El we're getting a little off here but like just to to suggest that this is a burdensome or rare thing it's just not um and I don't have a lot of confidence and the thought that because nobody has gotten an ago on this an attorney general opinion that we are somehow allowed to change our Charter without following a more elaborate procedure than the five of us just passing an ordinance this this to me is something that only should be changed by the people because I can look through here and say well there's a lot of things that we have put out to the people as Charter changes that didn't really affect the voters like whether we hire where whether we whether the clerk reports to us or the city manager hires the clerk well that doesn't exactly affect the voters we could make that argument for almost anything in here except for our terms that we could just unilaterally change our entire governing documented our [Music] whim okay well I think we're looking for Direction so if we could all chime in and say which direction we want to go on this I'm still right one or or that which is go back to the voice vot go for an ordinance to change this yeah I am too because I think it's a matter of interpretation I think if we do a Voice vote and uh it may be recordkeeping but if three of us vote Yes and the clerk can name the ones who voted yes and those who vote no they can name those it's the same as a Voice vote it's a yay nay yeah okay's T well so I I think The Voice vote is better because um with a roll call vote you could be influenced by the people that vote ahead of you and you have time to think about who's voting ahead of you as it comes down the dis or or whatever the order is uh and with a Voice vote everybody gives their independent voice at the same time and uh I I asked the clerk um or the deputy clerk if there was issue that's that's a good point because I do remember way back I think when Mr Hagood and Mr uh Todd were up here that that did happen a few times you'd get a a guy that didn't want to vote for something and he'd let everyone vote Yes gets passed and they vote no just to say they voted no that's what I'm concerned about that's why I would like to go back to a Voice vote I I think I would have followed this up with your concern as well we do a charter review every 5 years correct and that's that's coming up it's coming um so if we were to do an ordinance in the meanwhile and change it back to The Voice vote that went through at our Charter review they could undo that essentially they could ask us to undo that if they wanted to I guess undo if that was consensus is that correct yes that is correct okay that is correct well it sounds like we have at least three to move forward with an ordinance okay uh and like I said my suggestion was to give the presiding offic the option to to do it that way or we can or I can change it just that way automatically or my thought was give the Pres officer the option of doing which whichever way he or she wants to that I'm I'm not comfortable with it being an either or it needs to be one way or the other way I would rather put this out to the Charter Review Committee and say hey we've done it this way we realized the charter doesn't say this somehow we've missed in all our tidy up Provisions can you picks it for us um but if there is going to be something in the meantime an a swapping back and forth seems problematic I did I did find a few uh jurisdictions or cities that said it shall be by a voice by a general Voice vote unless someone objects and then they can ask then they do a roll call okay that's fine you want to do it that way I can I can make that if you that'd be better okay okay we'll do it by General voicemail unless someone Denis by roll call yep it sounds like you have Direction on that one okay um did you have any other yeah one one other issue that um came up um a couple meetings ago when we talked about the uh reconsideration uh of a vote uh and of a of an affirmative or negative vote and um you know the the rules are and we found Roberts that that reconsideration uh and um has to be done the same meeting or whatever but I mean reconsideration the question was is there a limit on a number of times a a an ordinance can be voted down or voted up and then then brought back and brought back up again and I was requested to take a look at whether or not we can put a limit on that and that would fall within the chter provision talking about the rules and regulations adopted by this Council uh which we could do right JS board does not have a limit it says you cannot it doesn't have a limit but uh if if we would like to put a limit on the number of times that can be considered we can do that through a uh revision to our uh order of business and rules and procedures so if that's something the council would like to pursue I I can come back with a with some on Lang that as well so I want to bring that up discussion as well okay so I believe Mr bford you brought this up in the past right I don't have a problem with having the ability to bring an item up but I just don't want to see it repeated over and over again um so I'm in favor if this there be one time that it can be brought back up council member Britton agree council member Ro well I I think bringing it up if there's new information or something something new comes to light about it um I would hate to limit it just in uh calendar time or number of times it's brought up I mean if there is something that would require or you know might necessitate bringing it back up not sure how to quite reconcile those things or how you would have to I mean would you have to say ahead of time I don't know my question would be how do you define something new is it another person objecting that could be that could be another person appearing to object that's something new could we put something in there of new information presented by staff well maybe not by staff but new information I think is hear what he says to that okay um I I don't think I would do sta uh I would say significant new information significant substanti substantial substantial or significant I would hate to say just knew it could be somebody oh I just moved here I don't like that yeah that does count that would be new okay mayor SL well I I think there there should be some sort of time limit and some sort of number limit to my olist has only happened once ever since I've been involved with this since you know 2016 or so and uh and it was a situation where there was information that was not exactly in the memo that was discoverable that it was discovered after the fact um so I think I think that is an important thing like just as a point of courtesy from anybody here who might do it make sure there's some kind of new info and you can articulate what it is or what you believe it to be even if you were sloppy in reading or whatever the case may be uh the other thing is once a vote happens I sign things on the spot and things go into play so once we have committed to a vendor or you we've sealed the deal I think there is a legal and maybe that can be dealt with it as a separate thing that we need to clear through legal that it's even feasible so uh what was said back in May when uh I I wasn't at the meeting but my understanding is some residents came and asked for a motion to reconsider and it was not entertained but it was the meeting immediately after where the action was taken because after that point then people began acting in Reliance on the the decision that happened so I think some some kind of balance with that that's my thoughts did you mention a a time frame that need there needs to be some kind of time frame because you can't just go like a year and then you know resoning has happened and then you get new information a year later but the resoning happened a year ago well there needs to be some sense of urgency so Property Owners can typically general rules if if if uh an ordin is passed or whatever and then there's action taken on that stops IT because like a contract if if it's approval contract and and signed you can't come back and undo that because then the city's facing liability so there's typic if there's intervening Act stop that puts it into place or like as if it's a zoning ordinance changed it gets changed U so that would stop it under rules under Roberts and all uh but if you want a like a a physical time frame like six months or something like that we can we can build that in could we just follow what we have for the rules for motion to reconsider and maybe so motion to reconsider you have to do at the same meeting exists so maybe extend that to the next meeting and that's it yeah I think that's fair to everybody it is we're not bringing up zoning requirements 10 months later that's not fair mean or the next okay okay can we also put something there that um if it does come back that all the members who voted On It originally are [Music] present if it doesn't well but it can't always happen that way if you have to bring it back fast to to potentially address a new fact pattern that's just to avoid the fact that if one of you know if it's a close vote one member isn't present at voted one way and gets skewed to the other direction without without the full council's consideration since since we're under proced under a procedure with the council and adopt we could say we could we should be able to an out check and make sure that it it has to be brought up reconsideration at the next meeting but uh it can be delayed or continued until all council members who voted in favor are against or council is pres I think that would be okay because that's a procedural thing that's not a charter thing so we we're under under the RO or in our Charter says we this this Council can make rules and procedures to be followed and that would be allow on Robert Su so I think we would be okay doing that so in the uh summary that you sent us in the email about this is the way that the way that Robert's Rules is currently defined is that if all members are present then you need a majority if fewer than are present then you need 2third right and on a five member Council you end up with three votes two3 would be four you end up with three votes or you end up with two votes if only right three are here so we end up being the same um well if you have two-thirds of five it would be four actually no no but if all five are if everybody's present then you only need a simple majority yeah if if I'm remembering right the document you sent yeah so does that yeah anything your mind or would you I think I'm good it can come up at the next meeting or until all of council is present so if there's ever a meeting with all counil can do that well could we uh create an opportunity like if somebody can't come and and did vote on the in initial one and see stuff ahead of time it's okay not coming okay I just don't want anybody to sign something this this is the most rare thing in the world yeah that's why I think if you just say yeah I think you're right think very rare keep it simple put together and bring back to the next meeting okay or and and it's almost next to never that we don't have all five of us here the May thing was a a real Mr Hall did you have anything else nope that's it okay so we're going to move on to reports moving right along um I'm actually up here first and I will just say Happy New Year's um I don't actually have a report tonight so we'll go on to Mayor slate well we had a couple of people uh talk about fluoride and that has been quite the topic lately I think it's something that we should probably discuss I'm not saying whether I'm for or against it um I have brought up having a discussion on this before and I hope that however many years later it is maybe there is a little bit more interest and having a public a public discussion and inviting input so I guess this is a we are under our rules allowed to have discussion items so I guess this is a tipping people off that I think it's time to have a discussion about fluoride and that's all I got okay council member a I don't really have anything uh specific uh Happy New Year and uh look forward to uh more of it in 2025 council member bford yes Happy New Year to everybody uh hopefully everybody had a a good holiday we got Martin Luther King coming up here on uh January the 20th we have the um ociaa does the parade uh from moito high school is it still going from moito high school down or is it changed no it's still going from moo it's still there we we have one more coordination meeting this week to finalize everything but right now the parade route is Obito High School to Center Lake Park very good very good and I know that may this move our regular session to Tuesday the 21st I will not be here uh the next several weeks I have to travel for work so I will not be here for the 21st um and that is all I got all right council member of Britain I really don't have anything either just uh Happy New Year to everyone and let's have a good year all right and then future meeting dates glasses uh our next meeting is Tuesday January 21st at 6m we have our SI governing board the same night at 6:30 p.m. we have our regular session on Monday January 27 7th at 5:30 p.m. we do have a work session and then Monday February 3rd at 6:30 p.m. we have a regular session is there anything else for the good of the order it is 7:18 p.m. and the meeting is adjourned go hammer it ham did you break that