[Music] [Music] deal yeah hey I think your your email is wrong you agree yet no I don't agree you how could you have a meeting you have a quum we don't we didn't vote on anything you don't have to have a quum oh you
have meeting going to discuss City business you have to have a corner that's they do in Orange County pretty good Jeff [Music] [Music] more okay oh come
[Music] on oh that's not even my phone sorry I almost stle your phone before we get started there is a door prize hidden under somebody's chair out there so check under your your seat and
see if that's a bottle of water there's only one okay we found it we found it thank you for coming to the meeting I'm hoping that we're going to keep on doing door prizes because I love to see a full house out here you never know where it's going to be I'm glad somebody's sitting in that chair
[Music] [Music] good evening welcome to the obido city council chambers um if everybody please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and I ask uh the scouts from Carolina and Walker
if you can come up and lead us in the pledge that's good yes a face of flag face up here good are you guys ready go ahead flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible
with liy and justice for all thank you you did great please draw me in a moment of silence [Music]
I would like to call our meeting to order it is March 3rd at approximately 6:30 p.m. and we have all members of council present um before we get started I wanted to see if I could get consensus to add to the presentation items um just
a presentation to go on a update uh with the new information we have on the fluoride system is everybody okay adding that to the presentation section abs yeah yeah what is it for for the uh an update on our fluoride system okay okay so we'll add that as item 1 a so first
up we will go to ceremonial item number one which is flood Awareness Week Proclamation did you want us to go down I think so okay if we could head down and start so our so our public works department works so hard to keep us from flooding and
when they asked about doing a flood Proclamation it's hard to resist because we can do some things to be prepared for this uh so whereas the city of Ovito has experienced severe weather in the past in the form of extreme rainfall or tropical system events resulting in
flooding in the in riverine areas and this flooding has cause damage and flood losses to homes and buildings in all areas where they are high risk special flood Hazard areas or low to moderate risk flood zones and whereas the city of
Ido is voluntary participant in the National flood insurance program that provides residents with the opportunity Pro to protect themselves against flood loss through the purchase of flood insurance at reduced insurance premium rates are you guys following this you
can get reduced insurance rates because of what the city of Ido is doing with our flood control efforts and now I've lost my place in here uh it also sets higher regulatory standards to reduce the flood risk and potential flood damage to to Residents property whereas
the reduction of loss of life and property damage can be achieved when appropriate flood preparedness control and mitigation measures are taken before the flood so when you hear the hurricane is coming do not wait until the sandb
station closes guys go when it is open we close so our our staff members can prepare and be safe and do all the things that need to be done uh whereas public education and awareness of potential weather hazards and methods of of protection are critical to the health
safety and Welfare of residents the Florida flood plane Managers Association have declared the week of March 3rd through 9th 2025 as flood Awareness Week to promote awareness and increased knowledge of the risk of flood the availability of flood insurance okay
grown-ups in the area do you have flood insurance if you do raise your hand if you don't know raise your hand nobody here has flood insurance this is why we're talking about this here if you don't actually need flood
insurance uh because of your your mortgage or lending situation you can get it for like next to nothing and sometimes even if you're high and dry there there situations where you know a storm water Pond will surprise break and water will come in and then you are not
covered unless you have flood insurance so now you know that you can get it for for a song and a dance uh get it before hurricane season before the flooding because you cannot get it afterwards or as a hurric like once a named hurricane is in the ocean you cannot mess with your policy so do that now it's like too
much information perhaps but also hey this is kind of the point of this now therefore I Megan slatic by by virtue of the authority invested in me declare this to be flood awareness week thank you so much for listening and if we get our Public Works team up here you guys make the magic happen and uh seem
sensible we got we we got to know who's involved plus you guys are going to tell us about fluide right after this right yeah Bobby uh do they have a contact in a city that they could call to look at the flooded flood maps I think they get
updated what every 10 years every 10 years but they could call the city uh Public Works and and give you the address and you can tell them whether they're actually in a flood plane or not Amanda ctis Amanda ctis okay so you guys go in the middle we're going to do like a little passing off
the pass I'm anybody who secretly doesn't know if you have insurance please out prom [Music] okay we'll move on to item number onea
which is the discussion on fluoride Mr cob uh thank you deputy mayor uh last week I believe you received an email from Mr Wyatt giving you an update on the fluoride issue and part of that email said that staff would be here tonight to give you more of an update
and what I believe he titled in the U in the email he titled it the rest of the story if I remember so I'm going to turn it over to Mr Wyatt and Miss Stewart and Mr Santiago and let them tell you about fluide thank you Council good evening uh I'm just
going to give you a quick update before Miss Stewart and Mr Santiago come up here and give you more of a technical side of things but as Department director I wanted to get up here and kind of be the face um of the department and you know let you know that this is important to us um and we and I I
personally take responsibility for anything that happens in the department so that's why I'm here before you right now and you know the question usually is is you know what did he know and when did he know it about the old fluoride and the dosing and there's two parts to that answer the first part is everything you've been shared with so far is
accurate so my understanding when dosing was going on that everything that's been shared with you in emails that's that's that's when I knew um I was made aware of another email that came out in November uh from one of our operators who was providing answers to questions from the Orlando Sentinel about something completely it was Rel to the
fluide but it wasn't like what was going on right now that actually makes a reference to issues with our analyzers and I was copied on the email and I honestly don't remember it and I'm not making an excuse for it but I wanted to let you know that that's out there um
but it it didn't it doesn't change anything now the everything you've been shared with is is still accurate there was never there's never a health issue never a safety issue um I wanted to share something from a context standpoint um from our staff you know
the operators they they have our our water plant operators our Wastewater Plant operators and our lift station guys have outside of I think Mr Cobb one of the most stressful jobs in the entire city those plants and those lift stations can't go down because if they go down the residents are going to know right away and they are the most
competent capable people of Integrity that I know and so with this I want you to know that everybody was trying to do the right thing I mean when I look at it um when I analyzed the situation everybody was doing their job um if anything I should
have looked harder into the November email I don't remember it to be honest with you but obviously I missed it so that's on me and I take responsibility for that um but from an operational standpoint the the staff doesn't have a a political sensitivity like I do so when they're when they're they're
worried about taste odor delivery disinfection and when those things happen they jump on it right away and I think there was some bullet items that were shared with you recently in the email that talk about those good things that they jump on right away to make sure that we don't ever stop producing water well fluoride is not one of those
things that's that's from an operational standpoint is a priority and that's that's the honest answer I mean it's a political Sensitivity I get it it's been out there uh in social media and on the news um but from our standpoint from operational it's not it's not a priority and that's that's some of how this
happened so with that I just wanted to let you know and hear it from me if you have any questions from me feel free to ask otherwise I'll invite Miss Stewart Mr Santiago up and they can give you the technical side of things so did anybody have any questions for Mr Wyatt way up
here no okay thank [Applause] [Music] you good evening I think you were provided with a FL schematic and can we get closer to the mic a floid
schematic did you receive any anything paper on there okay this one no up yes but yes that's it uh it's it's a it's an overview it's just so when we talk about certain pieces of
equipment um it just gives you a general understanding of the process it doesn't include the entire plant and how the plant operates it's strictly fluide so basically it's just identifying the um raw water compy comes in and the first
uh fluoride analyzer it measures the fluoride in the water and then the scada is a computer system that's com combined with hardware and um software to Monitor and control equipment in real time so that's what
that is up there when the analyzer will talk to the pump system and then the fluide storage tank will feed there's a level monitor in there and it's by skated as well will feed into the fluoride pump and put fluoride in the
water we have another analyzer that identifies the floid in the water before it goes out to the public distribution and then the staff does a sample tap and does a bench
um in their lab and identifies the caliber it make sure it's the same as the Florida analyzer so these are just and they're reported on the fdp monthly operating reports so that was just giving you an overview of when we say
the analyzers were having issues what that really means um I know there was questions of why Council wasn't informed like you're informed when we have let's say a Wastewater pipe brakes or water um a
problem the water let's say distribution system those are compliance issues we have I can list all the agencies but we have to call the state and we have to tell them of a sewage spill we have to
call FD we these are compliance issues and then Bobby notifies you um once we ID I identify it and then give him as much information sometimes it's vague information until we investigate and that's when you're notified with floride
it's probably the only chemical that isn't a compliance issue if it's not being fed um the Florida Department of Health has to be notified that um what do we call it we are nonoptimal
nonoptimal and so you just put a reading down of zero but you don't have to notify FD or anyone else there's no health or safety issue or water quality issue it's basically we just report it
as a non optimal um level I went back and I know there was concern of how long it was down and why it was down and literally went through every service call every thing that the staff had done
between um when we initially identified that there was um the service the the system was offline so the analyzers there's analyzers for different equipment the analyzers for the floride come semiannually and sometimes the lead
on the parts take a long time as well so there's a consistency through this and I'd be happy to go through all the dates with you um when the system's down and there's correspondence ordering parts will be there at your semiannual um calibration and we will
fix it calibrate it and then you're back online and it'll show we're back on line we're back on line for two months analyzer and the sample tap do not match there's another correspondence we're having problems with the analyzers again and
this kind of goes back and forth we also have plant work going on um at the water plant that involves scada improvements uh for our chlorines and this is again you'll see that we've reduced our flushing but also
a lot of that has to do with how they operate the plant and so we've had programmers out there as well working on programming a more optimal uh dosing of for chloramines and in the meantime the
level indicator for the fluide tanquin I'm just telling you these Oddities just continue happening and then we have to have the programmers come in and reprogram so um again if you have any questions on that duration or guess
specific times right there yeah where where when did that start I didn't hear you say a month or a date so November 23 we were dosing we have a dose so November 23 or December 23 it shows zero
dose and waiting on repair our annual um Hawk the vendor for the analyzer comes out in January so they waited till January he came in and said we need to order parts in addition in January 24
the level indicator in the Floyd tank went so there's a work order are shown there's a time when we receive now once again you can't run the floid system if we don't have a level indicator so then when we get the part there's we have to
get the programmers in and I have emails showing that we're working on programming chloramine efficiency and that was put off until that was done and then the fluoride was uh the tank level indicator was installed programming was
completed so then in so it's back online it was off in November back online in January it was online in November off in December December it went off okay January they waited because that's when our service contract could if we call them out outside of that it's a lot more
expensive so they waited till January then the level indicator went we have a work order for the level indicator and that's in January receive it in February um Hawk comes out again because they don't have the analyzers working still
and not compl completed so that went on between the level indicator the programming and Hawk and the analyzers for two four five months so then we have it back online
for not a full month but we have dosing going on in July full dosing in August partial dosing in September October it's offline again it's not working so there's this has just been a
constant battle and Steve can talk more about is there um better equipment out there and they've been doing research and I think Haw is the number one provider in this type of equipment but
they've talked to other plants and they're all experiencing the same thing and decision was do we want to replace the analyzers I mean we have to replace the skid you know the pump system and all that
all at once and that's how we got to where we are what's the longest amount of time it's been online since 2023 so 2023 it was I don't like what it sounds like we for five months and then on and off again 2024 is probably the
the focus month here because I think 23 the year yeah sorry 2024 yes so 24 you only had 3 months that they were working what's the naturally occurring level of fluoride so the natural level
that on average inconsistent is 02 and our optimal dose point to go out in the system which you know we I think I saw it once hit 7 but 7 is the recommended optimal dose and so it's
usually between 0.5 and under 7 and so 0. 2 is what everyone receives naturally so when it systems down you're still getting florid okay thank you any questions so far up here
no okay we're was he speaking to oh no I was just question okay um I guess I do have some questions okay um it sounds like we've been having issues since December of 2023 and this has been talked about
multiple times and I just don't I I fully agree with what Mr Wyatt said we have really good operators and I have seen them operate above our capabilities in in a pinch and do a great job and I know we do an excellent job at communication we see a pipe go down in
the city and everybody knows even if you don't care about it um so I'm just wondering how did we miss this because I do feel like over a year and a half went by and no one was told so I guess my question is I mean everybody makes mistakes but how do we make sure we're not going to
miss this in the future of something going offline for a year and a half two years so I I mean I'd have to go back to the 23 and tell you exactly how um so if we just focused on the Year yes it was on and off just a couple months out of
one year but again this is not a nonemergency issue so we were just doing our due diligences fixing it and addressing it as as it needed to be addressed um there was
no regulatory violation there's not a compliance issue there was still florid in the water I don't think there was any oversight I think it was continually being addressed it just it's just they're they operate more on um a conservative side
in the sense that they would much rather not operate it if there's any potential whatsoever that it could exceed the 7 um EPA says if you hit two milligrams for lader you have to well you have a year
to notify but we would notify the public um if it ever hit to but they're going to always if the analyzer and your sampling top don't match they're always going to be cautious yeah well and I guess that's not really my question I know we
operated safely nothing was ever unsafe and that's really important as far as an operation standpoint nothing was wrong but as far as the public there is definitely a public aspect of this where they expect fluoride to be in their water right now and there was not and we didn't tell them and that's the important part we're missing so how do
we make sure if if I mean from what you're saying it sounds like we wouldn't tell us again because it's not an emergency and I think we need to fix that is what I'm saying if that that would be a new protocol that would be it's the only chemical that's added that
isn't a necessary part of the process yeah but it's a health initiative right so we should tell the public if there's an Health Initiative if I could suggest an approach our job as City Council Members um is not to interact with staff
in this way we are supposed to hire a competent city manager who overs these things in a thorough enough way that we do not have these issues so my question is not to our our staff members but to Mr Cobb uh about his level of oversight
of not just this but a lot of things I've got I've got something to share I was I was planning on doing a little bit later in the meeting but uh I feel like I owe the the city of Vito you the residents I I owe you guys an apology because I did not do my job um this is
the latest in a series of oversights where things fell through the cracks for a much longer time than they should have and the city manager did not did
not say anything and we sat idly by and allowed a culture of ambivalence uh lack of oversight to you know turn into what it is right now so I more on that later but I I hope that we do not get into a spot where we're we're
drilling these guys cuz I don't I don't place the responsibility on anybody on staff I I am looking squarely at the city manager on this one and and to be clear I was not trying to place that on you guys I just want to make sure you
know moving forward that we know this is an important issue to us and we communicate so that's it it is our job and to keep everyone informed and again this is something that now we know if it's a a non- compliance issue it'll we
can bring everything to m Mr Cobb and U Bobby's attention continuously about anything that's you know we're working on are working through problems um we like let's say I'm use flushing as an example we met with distribution and
Steve and I and we had numerous meetings what could we do and so within a year we have reduced it in half so my point of that is it wasn't a compliance issue we were doing our job but we're trying to do it better but we didn't we didn't
tell anybody those kind of things we just do it proactively so something like this absolutely will we tell you at any point in the future yes so it just there were it's just problem equipment there
is no solution except fixing it putting it online fixing it putting online and we will continue to do that until told otherwise I appreciate that thank you so you're saying that that you're going to add this to the list of things that you
would notify us about or we can we can notify you of typical um in inspection equipment breaking I mean we we stay on top of all of this I mean we're never out of compliance when it comes to water or
Wastewater compliance yeah but there's a process to make sure that he and his staff they do and everything and anything I mean they're here are more weekends than you could imagine just to make sure that your TAP comes on and your water well and to back up what I said earlier I do think you guys do a
great job and I don't want to know if all your minor equipment fails I know you guys get on it and fix it and and we see that you already tell us if it's something that affects water quality I'm just in this regard this chemical like you said it's the only one we add that
is not a water quality issue so exactly the protocol for that doesn't call for us to make it a public public issue it's just we are working on it we're repairing on on working on repairs and it's in process so it's not like our
compliance issues where we have to report you know to the public to director immediately that there's an issue because it's affecting compliance it's not affecting compliance so it doesn't get the same
treatment well I think the question is should it or is it going to the future we can change the protocol and make it where we treat it just like a compliance issue for notification purposes to to council and to the director okay sounds
like everybody would like that to happen okay yep thank you sorry if um the analyzers now have been serviced and we will um put them in service and continue our normal protocol if it doesn't go well we'll send you an email and if it's
successful we can let you know monthly I'm sorry so you're saying you're going to turn it back on again I thought the thing was broken no no we sorry go ahead no we just had served again okay serviced again I can't guarantee how long it'll be on but we can put it back
on we and then Monitor and if it goes off we'll notify you immediately okay so what was the topic about replacing one for $300,000 so the repairs that's what was taking so long so the repairs it was you have one component component that would
go down then you have another component that would go down so it was just like a consistent line of failure that kept occurring we would do one part then another part would lead to a failure so ultimately the manufacturer recommended total replacement of the system which
amounted to about the $300,000 range so at that time that money is not budgeted it's not an emergency for compliance to meet that so we just kept trying to work on it to make it work as best as we can during
that time so that's where that okay so you're going to try to get it up and running again and then monitor we had it serviced once again and they had the replacement parts came in so we had it serviced everything we can check it put it back online it has to be online 24
hours and we'll do the comparison test and if it matches up and everything is working as it should we'll leave it online Until It Breaks any other issue again okay okay so yeah I think we would all like to know when that happens
okay anybody else I one more question how often do they do the the the manual test I don't remember what you called it so once a day the analyzer is checked corre okay okay all good good all right thank you thank
[Music] you right we'll move on to item number two which is the approval of minutes what is the pleasure of council I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from January 27th 2025 work session and February 3rd uh regular session second
we have a motion in a second any discussion no no all right all those in favor signify by saying I I all those against motion carries we will move on to our public comments section I do have some written requests to speak um when
you come to the podium please state your name and address for the record let's see the first person I have up here is Joseph Vasquez and again please St your name and address for the record sure so my name is Joseph Vasquez I go
by my middle name Paul which some of you know me by that uh and I live at 20 East Village Drive here in avito and um the question I have that and I'm not sure it can be entirely well addressed tonight but
it would be something that I think would be useful to have information about going forward would be the degree to which spending here in the city of avito relies on federal government money either directly that comes directly from
the federal government or indirectly via the state and I have no doubt that the city knows this and it may just be a matter of my own ignorance about not knowing where it is uh and how best to find it but especially now that we're hearing a lot about budget cutting at
the federal level and especially given that our Congressman Corey Mills has not been a prominent figure here in seol county and he appears to be unwilling to come and speak to people so it makes it difficult for us as Citizens
to find out that kind of information from him directly through a question and answer session um but I guess even more over as City officials y'all are probably best po to educate us you know as Citizens about
either what programs specifically going forward y'all think are potentially in Jeopardy or if they're specific agencies federal agencies that we've gotten money from in the past um I think just kind of cataloging all of that would be a useful
place because to the degree that that's relevant spending that y'all think is important and might need to be made in the future we will be better advocates for the city and ultimately for ourselves if we're empowered with that information so
given the the difficulty in getting a meeting with our representative um if if the city could kind of try to step into that void and try to educate us as clearly as possible maybe through the website and I don't doubt that there's information that's out there maybe I'm
just not approaching it the right way but if if y'all could do that I think it would help y'all help us help you which would be helping us in the long run so thank you thank you uh next up I have Jullian
Morini please state your name and address for the record hello sorry my name is Jillian Morini I live at 967 Carissa Lane in OVO um a week and a half ago on February 19th the DC police responded to a
domestic violence call at us rep Cory Mills DC home where women where a woman reported that representative Mill shoved her and left visible bruises while officers were present they heard Mills call and instruct her to lie about her injuries in front of him uh them despite
other Vis visible bruises and the developing ones police witnessed uh Cory Mills is still not arrested as required by DC law and he still holds his position as our seminal County representative in office local governments are the most accessible form
of government we have as individual private citizens and we must demand accountability from the ground up Ido must stand firmly against domestic violence hold our elected officials accountable for every action we cannot allow anyone especially those in
position of power to be above the law so I'm requesting that our city formally condemns this act of violence and requests that Congress and Mills host a town hall in OVO to answer for to his constituents
thanks thank you next up I have Frank noblock thank you mayor sladic uh Deputy Mayor and the rest of the city council uh this weekend I celebrated start with your name and address oh oh forgive me uh Frank noblock 1012 Quaker Ridge Court
Ovito uh this weekend I celebrated my 9th anniversary of of being a homeowner and resident in the city of Ido I love it here um and uh among the talking points that I take anywhere I go when I speak about this
town is uh the character and the values of the people who are here and tonight I'm going to ask uh in your your busy schedule of the matters that you typically have before the city that you consider something that speaks to those values um domestic abuse should never be
overlooked or accepted and yet we find ourselves questioning actions and inactions of elected leaders regarding Florida's 7th District councilman or or Congressman Corey Mills that inaction is not within this
body of course um but to that point I'm asking this city council to put forward a resolution that reflects Our Community Values by demanding that Congressman Corey Mills answer citizen calls for for accountability to meet with
constituents to host a town hall meeting and to speak to these allegations and concerns thank you thank you uh next up we have uh Aran Bryant and please state your name and address for the
record good evening uh my name is Aran Bryant I live at 476 ptical Court in Ovito um I too am a very proud Ido resident I lived here for three years over in manigan and then I moved over to Orlando for about three years and I
missed it so much I came back and I've been here for about a year and a half this uh beautiful town the city reminds me much of uh a city I came from in Jersey Glen Ridge one of the things I wanted to share two things uh with um
you madam mayor and council members uh very similar to what uh was just shared uh there was a report that came out about our Congressman Corey Mills that was deeply concerning and I just wanted to just speak uh without having any prepared notes I'm someone who comes
from a household of domestic violence so when there is somebody that we send to Congress that is supposed to represent us and they are alleged to have committed these type of Acts and they are not held to account or something is not allowed to go forward
to see what is true and what is not that is deeply concerning and I'm hoping as our city council can put forth a res resolution that it compels uh the congressman to at least or put pressure on the powers to be to allow that
investigation to move forward that is a leader we sent to represent us and I was very concerning the other thing I wanted to speak about very quickly is this thing that is happening at the federal government Doge has caused a lot of chaos turmoil and we see how it's impacting immediate
people and we see how it's impacting the larger public we now have um um word that something similar is going to be taking place in our state and I wanted to share that anywhere between 50 and 20% of the industries that could be
impacted um which is state and local uh jobs and higher education jobs um that's what we're looking at in the State of Florida almost 40% of small businesses um only the small businesses um employ almost 40% of our
Workforce I'm hoping that you are doing what you need to do to take into account what type of federal funding we're receiving but also as they move forward with doing these budget cuts in a state that you're advocating on our behalf to mitigate the damage to people see the
the initial people who are going to be impacted may be the people who are losing their jobs but there's going to be a ripple effect of uh Centric circles on how that impacts their family or other people who are supporting them we also recognize that can uh affect our
local businesses so I'm hoping that you are doing a d due diligence to make sure that whatever is the plan for our state that is not impacting us negatively and we're mitigating that damage so thank you thank you for listening thank you I don't have any other written requests to
speak is there anyone in the audience that would like to address council at this time hearing none I will close public comments and move on to the consent agenda what is the pleasure of council I'll make a motion to approve the
consent agenda is there a second I I'd actually like to hear about number six if okay since there was a pause I was on the fence but let's do it I was thinking
something's going to get pulled here so is there a motion to discuss the consent agenda for items four and five to approve it I I will second approving the consent agenda items four and five if the motion or will agree to the
uh Amendment we can do that okay we have a motion and a discuss a second so uh council member bord any discussion I do not have any discussion mayor slik I'm
good uh council member no good okay um I will ask the clerk to call a roll call vote council member bford I mayor slik I Deputy Mayor tuer I council member Britain I council member a i the motion
carries so item number six on the consent agenda is resolution number 4577 d25 Award of invitation to bid for Alexandria Boulevard and Live Oak Reserve drainage projects Mr Cobb uh thank you Deputy Mayor this is a request for the city
council to award bid number ITB number 25-23 and it does involve two projects one on one uh drainage repair project on Al on Alexandria Boulevard and mine could you pull up those Maps uh this is a location map for the project on
Alexandria Boulevard you can see there is just east of State Route 434 uh it involves the removal and replacement of 52 linear feet of a 15-inch storm pipe uh two Inlet tops and the associated restoration work of the roadway uh M if we could go down to the
next one to the next map uh that that is the map of the there are two projects actually in live op reserve and these are drainage uh repairs these projects involve in removal and replacement of uh two Pond out outet skimmers uh one Pond
311 you can see there it's located uh it's noted on the map as well as Pond 312 and uh the skimmers were Dam have been damaged and they're no longer functioning so they need to be replaced uh this uh in the the bid was advertised on January the 30th 2025 we did receive
four sealed bids um the lowest bid was from OAS construction company in the amount of $13,250 67 cents excuse me uh staff recommends awarding the the bid to Ovation construction company and also as
well as a uh 10% contingency which is $1,321 total project would be $3,538 48 uh there is a budget amendment that is provided in Exhibit 2 uh to transfer
$3,531 from the uh storm water reserve for contingencies to the construction account it's recommended that the city council adopt resolution number 4577 d25 thank you Mr Cobb I will entertain a motion to adopt resolution number 4577
d25 so moved second we have a motion in a second any discussion mayor slik council member bford no council member OT uh nope council member Britain uh no okay I will ask the clerk to call a roll call vote Mary slik I council
member bford I deputy mayor tuer I council member Brittain I council member a i the motion carries so moving on we have no public hearings tonight no first reading of ordinances we are up to item number nine which is resolution number 4576 d25 the preliminary subdivision
plan for Jessup Cove subdivision site development order and Mr cob I'll let you take this one uh thank you Deputy Mayor actually Mr Harris uh Burns cadal our planning manager will be our development review manager uh will uh provide the staff presentation thank
[Music] you thank you Mr Cobb Madam mayor distinguished council members um my name is Harris Burns kale Dev review manager here to present jessup's Cove preliminary subdivision plan can you all hear me well
MH uh so some quick facts about the project the future land use for this project along with the surrounding area is uh low density residential the zoning district is R1 allows the proposed use of single family uh single family detach
residents it's a proposed 13 lot subdivision With Private Road and shared infrastructure and so just zooming out a little bit from the project area you can see the predominant single family subdivision uh is in the area you got Bentley Woods Ido Terrace uh Bentley
Oaks and other typ other sub divisions that are in the area um and so we'll move from the project area to the development process the platting process typically starts with the preliminary subdivision plan then site development Order final
engineering and then final plot the purpose of the preliminary subdivision plan is to be able to apply the Land Development regulations as best we can uh without final engineering to be able to understand what that final lot layout is going to be and kind of discuss any easements or dedications that may be
required through the final engineering of final plat process then we move into f uh site development Order final engineering where you have 100% plans you know exactly where the trees are going to be located the water lines the storm water retention so on and so forth
and then the final plat that's where you have your lot layout easements dedications and it's recorded with the property appraiser so moving on to the project for Jessup Cove uh you can see the lot layout here it has five tracks the first track track a is for the private road
it's a 50ft rway with 5T sidewalk and 24t drive AES terminating into a culdesac you have the pond and the lift station which are comingled that's track um B and E and then you have two buffer areas uh
tracks C and D which serve the same purpose they're just on the North and South Side bisected by the road here is a landscape sheet and the sidewalk along Lake Jessup Road it's
7t wide it's 2 feet in addition to the 5T that are required that's going to be their Mobility strategy moving forward that will get solidified at final engineering uh another topic for discussion which we'll discuss in the conditions of approval Long Lake Jessup Road the space between the sidewalk and
the road there's a lot of infrastructure over there particularly water and uh storm water utilities and the ability for us to be able to put street street trees in that location is impracticable and so it's possible that uh the code provides for the ability PID into the
tree bank and those situations and then the cold toac there's water lines that need to go out to the lots and so at any rate we're going to go ahead and look at that at final engineering I wanted to mention that it's going to happen at a future application but we don't perceive the need for a deviation that would have
to come back to council at this time okay and those are the conditions of approval Mobility strategies that we just discussed on the previous page I'm sorry can you go back two slides for a second two slides are those all trees around the retention
mhm man that seems like a lot and you're saying on the next page we need nine more trees too like if you go to the next slide after this oh I'm sorry I went the wrong direction nine additional Street trees right so seven or Long Lake Jessup which
most likely they'll pay into the tree bank for because it's impracticable to be will put them in there the there's two along the private road most the C DEC makes it difficult for them to put those trees in there the large large amount of reason why they put the that
many trees along the retention area is because of the replacement trees that are required okay now that being said this is done under the 2006 code we're going to be going by the 2024 code moving forward and that may result in a reduction in the amount of Replacements is the old code correct that was my
question because I was like it still seems like right issue we tried to address okay yeah continue sorry to interrupt no not a problem um where were we yeah so OB this a preliminary subdivision plan which is the current application moving forward the site development Order final engineering final plat and development permits
observe your site permit and building permits so on and so forth staff recommends approval of the resolution for Jus Co preliminary subdivision plan this concludes our presentation we have we're available for any questions you may have thank you uh what is the pleasure of council make a motion to
approve resolution number 4576 d25 is there a second what what happened to Mr Britain at the end there you guys had a good thing going the F the first and second yall can second I'll second I'll second it yeah breaking up the pattern I like it well done Mr Brit we have a motion in
a second any discussion council member bford mayor slatic I I do have a question about whether these are going to be septic or sewer I'm looking at where the trees are and the limits there and the sidewalk and I know it'll be a private road so
presumably private sidewalks uh but I I do want to make sure that we don't accidentally set up residents you know future residents for a surprise maintenance issue yeah the lift station is so that they can connect to the storm water or the just make sure everybody so
they the trees can go in the front the trees can go in the back people can add pools people can do the things that people do and okay thank you okay uh council member Ro y council member Brittain I just got a question on uh low
density residential how it seems like there's a lot of houses there for low density res residential what what is the requirement for that or the constraints low density residential is 4 and A2 units per acre and it's a roughly it's 4.9 acres in size and they're proposing
so quarter acre lots M okay thank you do we have enough capacity with the sewer there to add Bentley Woods to it I I don't know oh it's an interesting idea because all that's in the jesset
Basin any other questions on this item no no all right thank you um with that I'll call a roll call vote and ask the clerk to do that council member bford I mayor slik I deputy mayor tuer I council member
Britain I council member I the motion carries moving on to item number 10 which is resolution number 4578 d25 this is a vacant land contract for acquisition of approximately 4.13 acres for the Lloyd Lane Extension project Mr
cob uh thank you Deputy Mayor um you recall you had a discussion item on this topic back on February the 17th and the direction was for us to bring it forward to you for consideration at tonight's meeting M if you could just
pull up the this is the subject property here uh it the purpose of this whole whole uh resolution is a vacant land contract with the idea of purchasing rideway before we need it uh this is the
rideway that is this is a general uh location map you can see you have uh County Road 426 to the north the property is on the north side of Franklin Street and it is basically would serve as an extension of void Lane and the the
4.13 Acres it's a it's got both it's got Upland it's got Wetland it's got flood plane in it uh and so I believe it's the Wetland I think is around 2.4 Acres I have a Graphic coming forward in a minute that we can get into that but this was an opportunity to purchase
property to uh facilitate a roadway extension the extension of Lloyd l Lane to connect from uh County Road 426 down to Franklin Street uh when we first presented it on the 17th we did show it as a lining with Adeline B Tinsley way
uh we Council you did ask us to give you a uh a way to um if we just brought it straight down so we do have a concept for you for that as well uh I'll go ahead and move this forward uh the property is currently uh listed as
commercial on the future land use map and it's got C2 zoning on the F on the official zoning map you can see here that um see if I can get this to work here we go uh the project is Project 100 there on the
roads plan of the 2045 Mobility plan it is also listed in the multimodal plan you can see here it's uh let me get right up here to it here we go project 350 there and uh in the multim plan and
what reason that's showing in both one it's building a two-lane roadway but also providing for other modes of transportation and the mo the Mobility plan calls for an 8ft sidewalk on one side and a six foot sidewalk on the other side of the roadway and I believe yeah here it is
over here uh we can show it right here there's a better blow up of the of the of the roadway and then in the intersections plan it just shows as a roadway connection it doesn't really doesn't show any type of intersection Improvement but it does show it uh as far as a roadway Improvement we wanted
to show that as well uh this is a concept plan that was presented to you uh on the 17th and as you can see it does show with the connect the extension of Lloyd lane and then uh aligning with outline Bensley way uh there is some you
can see there uh 0.1 Acres of wetland impact there will also be some uh flood plane impact as well you can see here the track a there's there's approximately 2.43 Acres Wetland the roadway itself is about 1.7 acres and
there's a little bit uh it's about point I think it's 05 Acres of flood plane there it also provides for it now one of the things Council you did ask us is could we draw it so that there wasn't a a wetland impact uh but first off you
did ask us for some an estimate on the cost this is based on the fdot formulas for estimating uh unit cost you can see that this project here to um can we zoom in on a little bit I'm going to try to see if I can get it to do it here we go
okay uh the total does come out to around 2, 381,000 uh the this one does include the uh Wetland mitigation see if I can get to it it was down yeah the Wetland medication is is uh is the $50,000 it's
$50,000 there it is yeah 0.1 Acres uh here it is 0.1 Acres of mitigation cost that cost us about $50,000 uh you can see 10% contingency as well as permitting there of 183,000
which takes us to the 2.3 million once again this provides for two travel Lanes uh curb and gutter sidewalk the 8ft sidewalk one side six foot sidewalk on the other it's a closed drainage system so it's going to the pond and that's with the property in there or no yes
okay so then you have oh I'm sorry Deputy May are you saying asking if that includ the property purchase no this is just construction of the roadway okay uh this here is as was requested by Council this shows the roadway here
coming all the way down connecting at uh East Franklin Street just about 140 ft west of Adeline B Tinsley way you can see there is no Wetland impact however we would still be purchasing the Wetland along the roadway way there and the roads about 1.6 acres still got still
have the U 100-year flood type of impact as well one of the things would have to do with this we would have to do a deviation uh to Our Land Development code East Franklin Street is a collector roadway within our comprensive plan and so to we have a roadway spacing requirement of 660 ft uh so we would
have to do a deviation to obviously shrink that down to 140 ft uh it given the volumes of traffic on this roadway having having an offset like that probably will not cause a uh an unsafe condition especially since you should have enough room for a car to actually
make the left turn before having to go back right again if if we decided to go that far go that route uh during Design This roadway doesn't have the $50,000 of mitigation cost and so it it
has a total cost of 2. 313827 million and uh it uh once again includes the same thing it's a two 12T travel Lanes it's got 8ft sidewalk 6ft sidewalk uh closed uh storm water system as well
one of the things I asked staff to look at as well was to look at a the possibility of signalization at Geneva Drive and so that the signal cost would be around $750,000 uh this is a typical section uh showing a 50ft rideway with the two
travel Lanes the 8ot sidewalk 6ft sidewalk showing with how we can put the trees and this is just a typical uh what what it would look like uh the as we me mentioned last time the purchase price is
$400,000 uh there is a 60-day uh due diligence period which uh we obviously would have uh an appraisal done an appraisal done during that time we would also be looking at other uh studies that we would want to go in w assessing the
flood plane different things like that uh there is a um here's a sewer easement on the property that we will have to have to uh work with on um during the due diligence as well as drainage and other
easements uh there is a building on track B let me go back to that on track B There is a building there that could be impacted uh by the roadway in other words it would create a it would create non a non-conforming
situation on track B uh because it is a RightWay acquisition that we could the the vacant land contract has has it set up such that it would be any type of deviation for that building would be handled through our uh the um imnet
domain part of our land devilment code section 2-11 and uh also the vacant land contract provides for a uh the lot aggregation to create uh the to create
the track B track a and track and part of track C here uh that the city would process the lot aggregation the applicant did agree I mean the property owner did agree to provide all of the survey data and everything that would be required for it but the city would be responsible for processing the
application and uh the what we've looked at is that the price of the the P $4 $100,000 purchase price could originally be initially be funded with general fund fund balance however because this Pro this project uh the Lloyd Lane Extension
is part of the Mobility plan and also on the fourth generation sales tax revenues that the city could reimburse itself as we collect uh Mobility fees as well as uh as fourth generation sales tax monies the U of course as I mentioned on the
17th the fourth generation we do have priority projects that are ahead of that so it would be if there was monies left over after those priorities we did uh collect some uh some estimates for you uh regarding like property appraisal around
$3,000 uh as far as environmental work uh any the phase one would be around $3,800 then ecological wetlands and Wildlife evaluation uh around $8,900 the application fee for the development uh the for the
is this how we end up at the $3.1 million price point are you are you reading that to us uh no this is due diligence the this is the 25,000 this is to get to the 25,000 there's a budget amendment with the resolution for $25,000 to cover the cost of the uh due
diligence and with that it is recommended you adopt resolution number 4578 d25 thank you Mr Cobb what is the pleasure of council oh for purposes of discussion I I move we approve resolution 4578
d185 second we have a motion in a second any discussion mayor s uh this is a $3.5 million project waiting to happen and I think it it doesn't make any sense um this is an intersection that the county
has already studied and determined is not safe for students to to cross so they they've actually approached the people who own property on the north side of 426 the North and Eastern side of it to try to move a crosswalk to a place that is not dangerous this is a
blind corner and uh the only way that a road could ever be functional for anybody but a car and and or even a car uh to zap straight across there is with a signal so it it's going to be an Allin
and that's not a very long connection and I don't know how many people are trying to get there and there are many choices that already exist and are already paved that get there another challenge on this in particular for me is that it does not have it this will
not create a scenario where we can line the edge of this road with additional things that will produce tax revenue that can help contribute to its continued upkeep so we were running a Road next to to Wetlands to go to a
place that has houses that's not a commercial Zone just so people have an extra choice that is less safe than the current choices so um I thought about doing a motion to deny but I I'll I
think it's more less confusing to have people vote yes or no on a motion to approve so my inclination is that this does not make sense on a number of levels council member bford so we we just saw that it's in our
Mobility plan and it has a cond activity that again gives us from Geneva down to uh down which you know something that we want to to strive to get to land is not going to get cheap if uh we pass on this
it's not like the opportunity is going to come back again to us and it's going to be a better opportunity um I'm in favor and obviously trying to you know put this extension through and again if we own the land and we decided that we don't put off the project for a while
that's one thing but again I think you know these opportunities for this land to for us to purchase doesn't come around a lot and this is an opportunity we sold that Concrete Recycling uh plant um and essentially for what we sold that
for we can buy these two Parcels to me it's almost you know it's almost a swap there again we used to BU spent that money we used that money to pay down our debts I understand that we did that but I'm just saying for one a piece of
property that is uh we couldn't do anything with we got two pieces here that we can do things with so that's where I sit council member Ro well I asked before about what you know
what we envision the use case of this to be you know given that we have connection between 419 and 426 uh just west of here and then also just east of here um you know we talked about kids crossing uh and and getting
you know from Lake me Lake charm area uh to get to the Middle School um but then you know as the mayor talked about there's the difficulty of getting across that road unless you go all the way and and put a signal there and then
you know is that signal going to cause grief for all of the people who are you know just trying to come across Geneva Drive and you know it's it's hard for me to it's hard for me to
really get it um the other thing is you know there's talk about using sales tax money for it but every time sales tax money comes up it's always said that every penny of the sales tax money is already spent fixing roads and
sidewalks um so I have a hard time with that too maybe that's all I have right now council member Brittain well I think we discussed this before that it is an opportunity I'm I'm less concerned about whether we put the road in Connection in
right away or not uh but it it may have use in the future it may not if it doesn't it's I don't think the price of the property is going to go down we could always sell it or or use it for another purpose than what it was planned for so it uh you know I hate to see it
it go away I know there's a long-term plan for for this property that we can use it for um so I I think we uh it would be a a bad thing for us to let this slip away and I it the the cost uh doesn't
really bother me I know we have it in our our general fund and that's what that that fund is for is that that Reserve fund is for things like this and uh again it's it'll be an asset that we can uh either use or not use in the future we can we can always off sell it
off if we need to and that leaves me um I think as far as a project I don't have an issue with it we're always looking for connectivity and this does that my issues are what I brought up last meeting uh the price tag and not just of the parcel but of the
project itself I know we have a Mobility plan and this is on it um but as far as a three and a half million price tag I don't see the benefit outweighing the cost and as far as if we bought it today we all know we would not build
this in the next year so the price of that road might be $35 million now but 5 to 10 years from now I don't know that that road is worth it to us as far as where it sits on our priority list we have a lot of other things that we can be using our our general fund for um we
have to get our Police Station built and we know right now we just approved funds to do the annex but we did not even touch the funds we need to renovate the existing building and that could potentially be the funds that we pivot over here and I personally just don't
think now is the time to move forward on this one is there any other discussion that I will ask the CL clerk to call a roll call vote Mary slik nay council member bford I Deputy Mayor tuer nay council member
Britain I council member a nay and the Nays have it moving on to item number 11 which is resolution number 4579 d25 the vacant land contract for acquisition of approximately 2.85 acres for a future
fire station Mr cob uh thank you Deputy Mayor mine if you could pull that up thank you this is the property actually just down the street from the property we just spoke about and um it is approximately 2.85 Acres of that 2.85
Acres approximately 2.1 acres is Upland area and then there's about 75 Acres of wetland area uh I'll just back up a little bit you can see the subject property is uh the subject part is located here on it actually is on the
south side of Geneva Drive uh just just down the road from lyd Lane uh it is uh currently it is uh low density residential on the future land use map and then it is uh R1 residential on the
offici zoning map uh this is some pictures of the property that there is a house there's a 1900 ft house on the property and these are some pictures of the house uh some pictures of the interior and as
well and uh anyway sorry wrong way so these are just some pictures of the house that and the thing with the house is that the house could serve as a temporary station while the city is uh collect the funds in order to u to build
a station there eventually the price tag for this property is the while the purchase price in the vacant land contract is $800,000 uh if the uh one of the things that uh there is a 60 there's also a
60-day uh due diligence period for us to do the ne the studies oops sorry and uh the um there are are some easements and I thought I had that that I thought I had
that in there meline could you oh wait a minute it's okay uh can I back up to the prior presentation is that possible okay can you pull up the prior presentation i' like to pull up the concept plan for it I I apologize Council I thought I had
the concept plan in here uh it is track D on the concept plan which is provided in your in your packet uh just a couple of things that I wanted to show you on the concept plan thank you thank you Elon one of the things I want to show you on the concept plan there is a uh an
an access easement that does connect Lloyd Lane over to track D across c and b and then there is also a shared storm water Pond right here uh as part of this concept plan that track B would have the right to utilize uh as part of this of
this proposal the project the way that the vacant land contract works is that the first the first property owner whether it's track C or track D whoever builds first that would be the one that would build the storm water Pond as well as the access easement and they would
become known as the Performing party and then the other one would then share in the expenses of the maintenance and the um as well as the mostly yeah just the maintenance the
the Performing party would would design and construct it uh there's also some Pro out sharing as far as the storm water is concerned the um the once again the project as uh May
it'll be initially funded with general fund fund balance uh the property May the purchase of the property may be eligible for impact fee uh for uh supplement with impact fees uh the city doesn't have a really large balance of impact fire impact fees right now but as we collect
impact fees we can reimburse ourselves once again we also uh there's a budget amendment for $25,000 to cover the cost of due diligence uh those those uh I won't review them with you again but there was pretty much the same thing the only diff different one was that there's a building inspection as well that we
would be wanting to do make sure that the building is suitable for our our purposes it's recommended that the city council adopt resolution number 4579 d25 thank you Mr cop what is the pleasure of council make a motion to approve
resolution number number 4579 d25 second we have a motion in a second uh council member bford yeah so I think again back to what I was saying before I mean the opportunities for us to buy land is uh
very rare I think this is obviously another opportunity that we have here with this track d uh the ability that we'd be able to actually run um some fire apparatus out of that of that house in the meantime would give us is another
uh assistance to that area as far as a response um I think it's a good thing to do again as I talked about before uh with the the last track I think with these opportunities to come up like this they're not going to come up very often and then when they do I mean they're
only to get more expensive as we come down the line mayor slik we just approved a giant tax hike uh and explained it as we're not going to have to do it again the next couple of years years because we raised it so much that we're going to be
able to cover the promises we made to police and fire this is an additional promise if we start running equipment out of a new place and having additional assets so I I'm concerned from it from a budgeting standpoint and it kind of goes
back to the whole Road scenario like what is what are the chances that we are going to put it in the right place and do it fast enough that putting it here makes the most sense uh so I I did make phone calls today to see you know if
City boundaries were not a limiting factor for where we locate an Ovito fire station because we we have all these you know first first person who can get there doesn't matter if you're in the county or what jurisdiction you're from first person goes so where are the
actual biggest needs and where can we improve regional response times the most and uh there is a a system and and cheap Woodward's aware of it and it sounds like we have punched this into the decken system in the past and this is not an entirely
bad the answer was it's not a bad place but are there better places well probably so but this decan system it's it's sort of like a map thing and you you say hey I'm thinking about putting it here what how would this impact response times based on where all the other fire stations are and chief
Woodward if I'm explaining this not quite right I'm just trying to do a layman's terms thing so everybody understands the technology that is available to us um so you you say okay well maybe we'll put it here how does it change well this is our other choice but here we just kind of have you know is
this the best do we want to take an $800,000 gamble that this is the right place to improve Regional regional service because that is how we we should think about it and I'm not convinced
that it is but it is available and because I'm not convinced it is and there's opportunity to potentially collaborate with simal County for a station that is nearby I think it would be a lost opportunity to lock Us in even though
land prices change um it doesn't necessarily have to be land right on 426 in a high value area so I'm I'm very I'm very on the fence about this council member Ro yeah I can I can kind of see it both
ways too you know one thing that keeps sticking in my head is what Mr Brittain said last time about how you know if we if we buy this and then we decide not to do it or if we decide that there's a better place we can always sell it for more than we paid
for it and that's a really good argument uh Another good argument is that um there's already a house there and uh which is we we would hope would be suitable to be able to run a station out of
um for the near term right you know and probably just build some things to to house the equipment um Mr Cobb had had mentioned that um at the current station uh what' you call it just some outdoor uh you know the aluminum covers something like that that was something
that we did when we first um for station 48 the initial station 48 was a single wide trailer and we built some aluminum covers for the uh for the fire apparatus to park under keep get them out of the
rain so it you know it sounds good from that uh perspective I the thing I have a hard time with is is this the best spot for um to match the justification that's written um in the the justification document that says that you know we'd
like to improve times for the Northwest part of town so the Northwest part of town uh to me seems to indicate you know west of central Pine Avenue uh Lake Jessup that kind of area and it's hard for me to understand how getting a fire
engine from this spot over to that area is going to be better than getting one from 46 over to that area um so in that sense I it it almost seems redundant in that in that respect
um a question I have here St we've been talking about it is what what is the recurring cost then if we were to start running uh engines that we already have right because my understanding is we wouldn't need to buy any new engines because we had two fire stations they
were Consolidated into one so we have equipment that we'd be able to move to this place already is that is that correct you I believe it's correct but I want to make sure so I think it'd be best to let chief chief address we currently do have a reserve
apparatus um that we could place in service in addition to that we have two new engines that are currently on order which are going to take current engine 46 um and current engine 48 and place those into Reserve status so our Reserve
our our Fleet is is fully capable of of taking on this additional component of placing a third inine in service okay so we wouldn't need to buy any new engines to put here if we were to start running not right away no but
there is a replacement plan that we've worked out that we have in in place with our fleet manager for the city uh to where every so many years do you know when the when the maintenance costs exceed um the and replacement cost and
and so forth um due to responding to calls and things like that maintenance costs of on the older apparatus like that will eventually get to a point and they stop making parts for them because there's new technology out there and so forth that we have to replace the engines so typical engine
replacement is about every 10 years okay so what you're saying is is that we have um we have the ability to do it right now because we have some older engines
that are in deserve status and we would be using those but in the fullness of time we would that indor vehicle replacement plan yes sir right where we would have um a higher number of engines that are not in reserve status right that
we and people to drive them presumably we went from three fire stations responding back in 2015 down to two right um so in 2015 they were planning for the replacement of three engines so we kind of took a step backwards we did incorporate a ladder
truck that eventually we're going to have to replace at some point um but that's a cost of doing business in the fire service you have to replace that apparatus eventually it gets to a point where technology changes you can't get parts form and so forth so I'm trying to come up with what what's the cost what's
the additional cost of of running out of this new location is is it the case that we already have the the Manpower because we're essentially because we have the no sir okay so we would need to uh we would need to hire more people we'd need to expand um and then in the
fullness of time we'd need to buy addition City purch the ladder truck the tower truck that we currently have um that was placed in service utilizing the Staffing that was on that third engine okay so we would need to hire additional Personnel to staff a third
engine now for the city okay and how many would that be and uh or or do we know currently typically um for a a threers threers four person staffed engine you're going to need um about 15 additional
Personnel 15 correct we because we run three 24-hour shifts okay and that'll give us a four-person staff engine and allow one person to be off on on some type of leave whether it's vacation leave sick leave or something like that okay and still not have to incur overtime so adding a fire station here
would involve hiring 15 people yes sir okay and additional equipment cost okay anything else I think that's all I've got well least up here could I ask a few questions as well let's uh get to council member Britton then we'll come back okay all right go ahead Chief
uh yeah while you're here just a quick question I think when we talked about this earlier along with the other piece of property it was going to allow for North and South E out of that site so if we're not going to buy the property and
make the connection on Lane it looks like this is only going to have egress to the north onto 426 is that an operational impact or does that we're going to have to we're going to have to look at that now that that's not going to be part of the equation for us to see
how that's going to impact our response capabilities okay we'll work with GIS to do that all right um I just have one other question for maybe Mr cob um the house that's on there last time I checked maybe a 1900 foot house
is probably in the neighborhood of $3 $400,000 value which is about half the price of the the property um even if we bought this and sold it we could we've got that asset on there that that's going to probably appreciate in value anyway so Brian have you guys looked
into that the value of the house on the property we haven't looked at that we were waiting to see if you wanted us to move forward with due diligence that is something that we would look at during the due diligence to have a complete inspection of the of the house that to be done structurally to make sure that
you know we want to make sure the roof is good we want to make sure the HVAC system is good the plumbing is good the electrical is good you know that it can serve the purpose of a as an interim station and then look at that as well as far as the value too okay seems like it
would you know if we have to uh accommodate growth in a department uh having that would prevent us from having to build a new one somewhere for quite a bit of money so um that's really where I stand at it it's another
opportunity uh if we don't use it we'll sell it back and but uh once it's gone it's gone forever I don't think we'll have another chance at this so mayor s do you want to ask a question what timeline do you envision before we
have to hire anybody who is not already part of our budget plan for the next two and a half years that's ultimately on on y'all for support and growth if if we are able to move forward with this project and the
house is is deemed feasible it doesn't require a lot of work because I haven't been inside the house yet that's what we're waiting on is to get the approval to move forward with contract so we can actually go in we can look at the house start start engineering what needs to be done to make that house suitable to be a
fire station um my primary goal um if we do have support with that would be to look at Federal funding which obviously right now that's kind of up in the air um but there there historically has been Federal funding that allows uh provides
funding for personnel costs to uh for departments to increase their Staffing levels to become compliant with NFPA standards and so forth so that would be that would be a main priority and that typically that funding covers costs 100% for up to three
years so for the short term you just take half of the people from station 46 and move them over here is that kind of it we take half the equipment half the people no we won't be able to staff that station I I can't justify taking a tower truck and putting it at a at a sole fire station to run front run medical calls
that Tower truck will be replaced in a matter of couple of years if we if we run that front run to Medical calls right now so unless we agree to hire 15 people this will just sit there and the house could potentially be wasted unless the city rents it out to cover you know
to offset s the costs or you know I'm just thinking out a commitment for growth this is to get us back where we were back in 2015 okay thank you so I don't have any questions ask go for it yeah so to council member 's question
about being able to service better the the west side of town your your opinion on that from that location more of the more of the northern side what this does um this gives us more better better coverage in in the northern end of the city I KN i' to put Northwest portion of
the city it's more of the Northern end um what this also does is this provides us additional resources right now when we have both of our engines which concurrent calls for engine 48 and engine 46 they happen daily to where we have both engines on calls at the same
time we have to rely on semal County to provide engines from outside our jurisdiction and all of our stations are are minimal almost 3 mil away from the city limits so that's an increase in response time what this does is this
gives us those additional resources in the city limits to be able to handle concurrent calls and to get on scene pretty much anywhere in the city quicker than any outside seminal County or any other agency could respond to thank you anybody else ways up here yeah so so
you're saying now it's not really so much the Northwest part it's really the north part it does provide benefit to the Northwest portion of the city and we have some we're working with GIS now to kind of show that from from a response time or a driving time analysis standpoint it does provide to the
Northwest portion of the city it does provide better coverage and what we currently have with Station 46 yes sir almost all the way up to 417 and 434 okay um I had one more question go ahead if that's okay y um well actually it's
for it's for you there there was the email that Mr Cobb sent us that you had originated about um other um pieces of land around is did you have anything well I I I just wanted everybody to be aware that there is something that that
is I think it was I can't remember how many acres are dry but a similar number of dry Acres right on Central that hypothetically could be used for a fire station and that that would be closer to the north northwest I don't believe
that's going to be dry Acres I think if you look at it it's going to be a lot of wet it's pretty wet over there I that's where I pick up Berry so you know but I did want people to be aware that there are things for sale out there so this may not be you know once once the Ship Sails well once
this Ship Sails I think it has sailed but I think there may be other things available over time well so to to that Mr Cobb had said to me that some of those were dry and some were wet or some were unknown or maybe I misremember when
we when we talked the county the county Parcels I said that it wasn't a permissible use in the County Land Development code for any of those Parcels the two City Parcels the one parcel there's if you imagine where the um the little shopping
center is at the corner of artisan 434 there's one parcel directly south of that and that's commercial on the city's future land use map and we would have to Zone it to PL public lands and institutions um that parcel might have
some Upland area up by 4304 for but it does fall off quite steeply uh toward uh Sweetwater Creek and so it does have it will have wetlands and flood plane all associated with it property immediately south of that and I believe that one's
for sale as well that's Craig that one has a conservation future land use on the uh the future land use in the comprehensive plan and so it wouldn't be a permissible use on that property uh Public's not one of the permissible uses uh so really it gets
down to that one piece just south of the uh of the shopping center there and I couldn't tell you how much if there's Wetland how much Wetland how much Upland we would have to go in and have an an analysis done to determine basically flag where the wetlands are so then we could determine how much Upland acreage
there actually is of the the county ones that are a um are any of those considered potentially a better spot than this for serving that Northwest area I wasn't I did I wasn't able to locate them I just I primarily
just stuck to what the zoning was wanted to make sure that it would be allowed so okay but as far as zoning goes you know that's something we could approach the county we would have to approach the county and ask them to make it a permissible use
right and do we think that's something that have a reasonable chance of success if go that rout I I don't know I getting into historically or it's it's I assume they're all in the rural area so that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a hurdle in and of itself just the fact that it's in the rural
area so how much land does the current five 46 take up because that doesn't feel like two it's on about6 total Acres so we could make a fire station on less
land if we needed to okay so we don't even need to find 2.85 Acres we just need 6 how how many acres do we really need okay hold on let's move on okay thank you ch um I will say where I stand on this too is uh I see both sides as well I mean I really want a third fire station we used
to have three I want to get to ISO one um I'd love to increase our staff but I keep getting back to now is not the time we did just do a big millage increase and we said we're good on fire and police and we have them covered and if
the plan is to if we get this have to staff it with Federal funding which I have no faith in at this point uh but if we got it it pays it for 3 years and then we're on the hook to pay those employees after that um and 15 is not a small amount of people so I just don't
see us having the capabilities in our budget to do this um I also when we say we can sell it for what we pay for and it'd be worth more I don't agree with that this is not commercial land this is residential and it's
$800,000 for a not giant house so if we come back in 6 months from now and say correct we cannot pay for more staff cuz we know that we've talked about that for 2 years I don't know if we can recup costs so that's where I stand on that is
there any other input discussion with that I'll call a roll call Vote with the [Music] clerk uh council member bford I mayor slik I would rather stall but for today
it's got to be an a deputy mayor tuer nay council member Britain uh I council member a nay then n have it moving on to discussion item item number 12 our 2025
State appropriation requests Mr Cobb would you please provide a brief uh thank you Deputy Mayor we wanted to with the legislative session getting ready to kick into gear uh in the next week we wanted to bring you forward uh Mr Kelly come forward and let give you an update
on the city's uh Appropriations request uh to the legislature for this year thank you [Music] thanks thank you uh thank you Mr Cobb uh good evening
mayor Deputy Mayor city council uh tonight I'd uh like to uh go over the 2025 Appropriations requests for the uh City to the uh uh State uh we have three projects this year let me try this yes
okay we have three projects uh but before I go over them I'd like to go ahead and discuss uh sort of how we make our determination to to um go after State funds uh first off we look at the project status if it's a construction project we like to see where that
project is is it pre-design is it is in design is it permitting or is it ready to get started with construction uh timing has a a big role to play in these projects because the state budget and uh budgets and likes to uh spend those M those funds very very quickly and then
also uh what are the overall State priorities um few years back we made some uh Appropriations request just for an example of for salar Park uh back at that time uh Governor DeSantis one of his priorities was water quality and
water projects uh he called for his budgets called for um uh appropriating funds and he appropriated a lot of funds Statewide uh toward the Everglades for instance and we were uh successfully and securing a couple Appropriations uh for
salary Park and uh that evolved itself into uh more of a a grant program a Statewide reoccurring grant program that we utilize and uh also we look at how how do the uh the delegation feel about our request you know what is our the reception when we talk about these
projects how how uh how are they uh how are they received are they on board do they like them do they not like them so a lot of that has uh something to do with it and then also can we spend the fun quickly uh which also it ties to the first bullet point but it also uh uh
ties to one of our projects that we're requesting this year so the first request is the uh West Mitchell hammock Road Safety Improvement project um total project cost is about $3.3 million uh our request is uh 1.5
million the project is in the fourth generation sales tax plan so it's a sales tax funded project um that uh benefits Us in that uh we can then turn around uh to Mr 's Point earlier um when we talk about our
priorities are to um fix roads and sidewalks we can take the funds that we would use to fix uh using this the state funds that we'll receive in this project and turn around and use them to fix more roads and more sidewalks in addition to con uh to completing a Safety
project um it'll consist of minor widening of uh the sidewalk on the North uh sorry on both sides and then uh sidewalk on the North side median uh uh construction as well as um some other uh
safety improvements uh a curb cut I believe in in somewhere in that middle part um it'll also uh go for about 68 miles from I believe that's Westwood Square uh from CLS uh I believe it is
and then um it like I said it is a safety Improvement project it's identified in our vision zero plan uh as a high incident Network in other words there are a lot of lot of traffic accidents there as many of you have probably seen or experienced in your time living in the city uh it has I had
Chief pulled the crash numbers and there have been over 500 uh since 2017 so it's it's uh it's not we 500 incidents since 2017 yes it's all those turns and little fender benders little
rear ends here and there I'm sure I can't zoom in on that on the bottom corner it's blurry when I did on my computer and I know we talked about this in the past but is there a bike lane out of the traffic there cuz I think that's something I know we extended the sidewalks but did we do that with the bike lane on this one I don't recall if there's a bike lane okay um and I Mr
urane has um uh left the building okay so I will not uh be able to answer that but I can certainly get an answer that before yeah we could Circle back on out yes um so how is this a state priority you might ask yourself as is that being one of the our determinants of uh uh one
it connects uh State Road 434 and State Road 426 so a lot of traffic travels between those two State and even onto State Road 417 as well so a lot of a lot of traffic uh 43,000 cars a day in fact uh estimated to go on that Corridor uh
and also um as you may recall one of the big state priorities in the last few years has been our Insurance market so there is quite quite a few with these accidents uh they do have an effect and if we can show that we're going out of our way to make safety an
ISS a priority here on this road uh the state will uh you know we can show that there is a state interest in improving our overall Insurance Market although I mean 500 500 accidents is not a small number as you fall pointed out so uh the next uh project we're seeking State
funds are is the OVO Public Safety Training Center that is a uh about $1 uh $3 million total project with a million-dollar request uh that's a modular uh fire training center with a
burn building and uh tower that you can repel down and things like that um it'll be located on City owned property that uh we already have uh over on Evans Street it uh will allow us to train here in the city uh and as well as are are
fire and police to train and uh partner agencies around that can use uh it as well it'll uh it'll allow our uh folks uh to get more hours because they don't have to compete for hours at adjoining training centers uh in simol county or
even in other counties that we've used in the past we also uh uh look at the State uh similar State uh Statewide effect to this project is uh if we're here training more we get more training hours
that does affect our ISO rating and we are also uh able to respond while on site there so we can protect private property and improve our ISO rating which then in turn affects the Statewide Insurance
market and uh the last project I'd like to talk to you about is uh actually a resubmittal and uh when I said uh in that first uh bullet points you know can we spend the money quickly this is a something that we asked for back in the
23 24 uh state budget uh but supply chain issues have delayed the project and delayed the manufacturer outside of the city's control uh to be able to appr uh produce the uh high water rescue and Wildland Fire Apparatus it's a it's a I think a great piece of equipment uh if
you require um sorry if you recall hurricane Ian we had to do some high water uh rescues in uh our River uh lowline flood plane areas and um so this this uh apparatus can accomplish that if you look on that
picture on the right that uh Wildland fire it's in the Wildland F fighting uh mode there with a pumper sort of on the back that uh can spray uh that whole thing can slide out and then that turns into benches so that you can get in and rescue folks so it can it is a dual use
and it can be done uh uh quite uh effectively um this is another one um that we can say that it does affect Riso rating having this type of apparatus as well as we can respond to Wildland fires
uh on the state uh Eon little Econ River State Forest which is right next to the city so um as are the projects uh here we'd like to go over with you and uh if you have any questions I'm happy to answer and I on that last one we did
have a high water apparatus no or is that the same one bringing up do we have one I'm sorry yes uh we we we uh we requested it we did not receive it yet but the state has said that they're not going to reappropriate past funds so uh we're
going to have we're asking again um I understand all indications are uh from our state representative that we uh the submitter uh representative David Smith and Senator Jason broer um we should be uh well received and hopefully received
the funds any questions I had a couple yeah you said on the Mitchell hammock Road you did you say a curb cut or did I hear that correctly uh in the median or a median cut if it's what I said oh median cut
yes okay so that would provide uh I I believe a safe U-turn access a U-turn yeah that's what we'd be adding there and maybe future connectivity with some of our uh the possible projects in the future okay okay uh as far as the uh Public Safety Training where do we go
now for that uh Chief Woodward might be able to answer that a little bit better than I can but I know we utilize simal counties and I know um just by working by virtue of working with Miss McDonald we've gone up to matland to use their facility too currently um right now we have the
uh capability to utilize SE seminal County fire training facility which is up off of uh North State Road 49 or County Road 419 up near uh uh solders Creek it's about 20 about a 20-minute Drive outside the city um last year we
were able to partner with the city of Maitland fire department to do some live fire training um on their training facility it's about 45 minutes outside the city for us to do that and then we also have access um on a very very very limited basis at seminol State College
which is up in Sanford off 1792 um that availability is is less than one day per month that we would have the option to be able to go up there and train at their facility and how often is training required for daily
our guys our guys need to train daily yes sir but they don't go to mland or to the we don't go to we don't have the capability to do facilities based true search and rescue training we do what we can a lot of times we'll um either try and do training at our fire stations in
the parking lots um we pull the apparatus out we try and utilize the inside Bay areas for doing search Rescue Training um acquired structures um if there is a business that's going to be torn down within the city a lot of times we'll work with the developers um
they'll allow us to go in and do some destructive Level Training before some search and rescue high angle training so forth um beforehand um but the liability of that is um sometimes exceeds what we can actually do um having a facility
that's like what we're proposing a four-story training facility we can actually um we can do more high angle Rescue Training it's got two burn capable rooms that have um temperature monitoring systems so we can do live fire training for all of our recruits annually rather than just um whenever
like this is the first time within uh last year we did training for the first time in 10 years with the city of M for live fire training so it doesn't happen very often okay and and with this we would Envision that happen you be able to do it annually yes sir
Okay so so once a year is how often that's required for the the ratings that we want no that's that's just one small component live fire training I would love to be able to do it more often than once a year logistically it's hard to manage because there's so many moving parts that go into doing LIF fire
training with instructors equipment and so forth um but there's so many other options for training search and rescue training ventilation training ladder training repelling high angle rescue that can all be done at that facility at that facility and we can invite other absolutely we can we can partner with
other organizations we can host training classes um to where we can help recoup some of the cost of it and and so forth so other departments would would pay right absolutely and currently we're paying to use theirs we have not in seol County
it's it's kind of a we we go utilize seminol County fire training facility that's considered their fourth quarter training or first quarter training for 2025 um all agencies within simol County we're all contributing we're all providing instructors all the cities are
providing instructors we're helping cover the cost of the burn packages to be able to do burns and so forth so we all work together to do that and that same would apply at our facility within seminal County but if we were to host an outside class such as aerial operations
or something like that we would be able to host it bring in instructors and then we'd be able to charge people to attend from other agencies okay thank you any other questions I think we're good are you looking for any direction on that or just discussing
it uh if you would like to offer consensus on uh continuing our uh pursuit of these that would be fine I believe we have consensus yes good you have consensus thank you thank you you're going to leverage our lobbyists to help with this too right of course yes Mr Cary and gray Robinson team has
been every step of the way we we we talk quite frequently okay I I'm sorry I do have one question why is the person representing a lot of these representative Smith I mean David Smith instead of placen who is our actual rep David Smith was representative Smith
was our former rep he was very involved in this community and yeah but he's not our he is requested to be involved and being that he has uh seniority in the house it's very useful to have more than one person advocating
fore projects is Placencia advocating for any of these uh she uh the West Mitchell uh project is her project she is uh on board with that and that she's taking the lead on that one okay okay and and being that representative Smith uh did
the first bill for the high water rescue vehicle we in Wildland Fire Apparatus he wanted that one and he wanted the when he got went to the uh the uh Training Center he wanted that one too so we uh okay no I just think it's odd that our
not our rep is repping these but I understand and I appreciate his support thank you thank you okay so we're moving on to reports so it is the city manager's report uh thank you Deputy Mayor I do have a few things for you um March
17th uh good news uh we currently do not have any agenda items for the 17th the items that we were going to have on the 17th uh there was a situation with the LPA the LPA has been rescheduled to the month of April so those need to move
over so that we can do first reading so we currently don't have an agenda for the 17th and was wondering if you would like to cancel the meeting it is spring break uh week and so we just wanted to see if you wanted to if you want we always cancel our spr yes please so is
anybody against that up here all right you have consensus to cancel the 17th okay thank you I also want to let you know that we are uh after after our work session discussion on the City attorney RFB wanted to give you an update uh we've
done the R Visions to the RFP we plan to publish uh this Sunday March 9th we've asked for we will ask for a submittal deadline on March the 25th I need you to free up your calendars for April the 14th uh that would be our committee
meeting and then we would uh do interviews the following week of the 21st through the 25th and with awarding the uh contract on May 5th so is that all day or April 14th yes uh like what
time should we be blocking off our calendar uh we were going to I think a large part of it will depend on how many how many responses we get okay uh and we're trying to give you as much time give trying to maximize the amount of time you have to review
them uh the I believe the city of Sanford got six or eight uh responses so uh we anticipate about the same as well uh also if there is a firm that you all would like us to send the notice to please let us know we're going to do it on vender link we miss miss
Collins has done considerable amount of uh surveying of area cities and what their firms are we're going to try to reach out and send it to those firms as well but if there's a firm that you all have in mind that you would like us to send a notice to that uh about the RFP then please let us know can you repeat
those dates though April 14th and then what was the other stretch of time the week of the 21st through the 25th that's when we would try to get the interview scheduled okay so we don't have an exact date but somewhere in there somewhere in there yes okay can you email that to all of us too yes and can you send us a PDF of the RFP so people don't have to go
into vendor link and figure all that out we can send it to you all right thank you thank you anything else Mr cob uh let's see can I ask follow up on that maybe I'm I'm misunderstand or or something you're saying the week of the 21st
through the 25th you're looking at having them come in for interviews what's that for interviews for interviews so during the day or are we going to do this at night or what's the typical if it works if we only have a few that were interviewing then I would say let's just schedule it for night and work around your work schedules is what
I would do uh but we we may have to schedule it for the day I'm not that is something it's really going to be what's going to drive it is how many responses we get and then also what we'll drive it is how many we decide to interview okay we decide to interview it might be that we interview one one day and one the
next it could happen that way as well so the 14th we should block off kind of the day and then we'll we'll touch base on when we schedule interviews for the next week yeah four things where you're really going to have most of your discussion okay okay yep so and of course we would award it may Fifth and
uh that's all I have Deputy Mayor thank you thank you uh city attorney's report uh Deputy Mayor don't have anything to report today okay council member Britain uh I don't have much I'll let Mr bfer talk about the Relay for Life and
the uh police foundation golf tournament U and that's all I was really going to mentioned today but you can do that okay thank you all right and I'm up next so I got a I got a couple things on here we have uh the 100y year anniversary coming
up April 26th um so we'll be celebrating that at OBO on the park you see the signs all over town um we have our 419 ribbon cutting coming up on Thursday this Thursday at what time 10:00 10:00 10 o00 this Thursday we have finally
gotten to the completion point or very close to 419 so that's a that's a big deal this Thursday um we did have some citizens reach out about the Sweetwater Park boardwalk and I believe the update is that it should be complete in April is
that correct Mr Cobb that's the last I heard about that I think that's the last I heard as well yes okay so I just wanted to put that in The Ether if someone is wondering when we're going to get to that Boardwalk um shooting for April um Mr Kelly sent out an email earlier this week that our website is
being redone and moving forward and I did click the test link and it looks like we're going in a really cool Direction so I don't know if you had a projected finish time for that or any more info on that but um I don't know if you guys clicked through but it looked pretty cool it's cool it's much better than it was
It Mobile friendly too uh thank you mayor deputy mayor uh and Council uh yes we uh committed to April and we fully intend to keep that commitment and I uh Miss McDonald uh
mostly MC McDonald myself uh uh limited have been working with each department to restructure their individual pages to make it much more user friendly and public friendly in being able to find information awesome so April seems like
a good month uh I don't know if Mr beldon's here he doesn't really need to say anything but per his email Riverside is mostly opened up as of today that still happened yes so that's really exting is there and we're sort of soft opening to the public I know they're
they're working on getting their programming established for the building and I believe they're looking to do a um grand reopening you might say uh sometime in April and I guess in April too are we going to make I mean a big deal where
we're also opening as a senior center I mean that's a big deal we've pushing for that for a long time yes the only thing that hasn't uh progressed forward is the racket ball courts and there's a number of issues that are going on with those but we'll continue to move forward with
it so and actually is Mr Bel in here because I do have a question for him if you're in the back we'll give you it's a 20 second DeLay So So for anybody who's new today we've got staff members one room over that are watching this on on YouTube
[Music] live in the 20 second delay here there you go thank you good evening good evening so I guess I had a question I brought it up uh probably about a month or two ago about the maintenance going on in oo on the park because I believe we contracted
company to take that over last year or some point and they've been working on repairing it but it just does not look good and it looks like it has gotten worse since we've paid someone else to do it okay so we do have a contractor that does the the grounds
they do the mowing the blowing the edging um they can work on irrigation slate repairs our current staff within our Parks division is slowly updating the Landscaping pockets on the corners the tips and we actually started at oo
Boulevard on Center Lake Lane we're working all the way across the park basically Center Lake Lane is our first priority and we're going to go all the way to the back of the amphitheater and we've hit some pocket areas on mic Roberto and then we're going to hit a boardwalk and then all the other areas but Center Lake Lane is our priority at
this point okay and we have to update you know we had a lot of irrigation issues that we've already addressed in most areas we're still addressing a few that um you and I spoke about on a couple are few weeks over there yeah yeah so we're we're addressing those the whole system's over 10 years old so
we're coming into a few issues that we're addressing as they come up so is the goal I mean I'm just seeing like irrigation lines everywhere right and no Mulch on top the flowers are not good is that well we're we are replacing Pockets we're removing old Landscaping that is
distressed and deteriorated or possibly dead and we are upgrading it and we're going to follow that theme throughout the entire park okay okay no thank you you're welcome so as far as City questions that's kind of what I have but I I I did
want to address something else so being a city of 40,000 people we are a very small local part of our government as a whole and I would say for the most part this Council up here does a really good job sticking to what affects our citizens on the local basis for discussion and
initiatives unfortunately I believe we've reached a point where the higher levels of government are starting to drastically affect our constituents and we can no longer ignore the politics above us our veterans are losing VA services our national park protections are being eroded The Cutting of EPA
regulations will increase the amount of pollution in our air the funding cuts of FEMA will drastically affect how we respond and recover from storms and personally countless citizens have reached out to me about losing their jobs due to contracts being frozen at the federal level um on a local basis
we're talking Engineers Architects people on the Space Coast these are the bulk of our citizens in Ovito that's a that's a huge industry here um and it's it's going to affect us locally and next they're talking about chopping Medicaid which is ensuring a large percentage of
our population as well at the state level if you pay attention our governor is floating out ways to dissolve local governments um there's no way to discuss around that they're talking about eliminating property taxes creating a doge force with the goal of removing 70 or more commissions encouraging The
Continuous dismantling of Home roll and if you have not looked at some of the bills coming in some of them are not on both sides the Senate and the house but they're they're being submitted right now I I mean it's pretty clear to me they're gearing up to get rid of cities um my question is what are they trying
to solve what problem are they trying to solve because it's certainly not the price of property insurance so my ask is that our elected officials remember their oath of office and I ask that even on the local level level we push up from
the bottom to make sure our higher official are focused on SOL solving problems and not creating them because I really do think it's going to start affecting us locally and soon um we had a couple people speak here at the beginning about our congressmen I understand that is a
different level of government from us um you could say that with our state level too but I don't we've had Town Halls before so um I believe the ask was to have a town hall and request one from Cory Mills so I don't know as a city if we can do that I think that's a great idea I'm getting a lot of questions
about higher levels of government that I'm not going to answer so um if we can get consensus to request that I would ask that absolutely good so as a city can we formally request a town hall from Congressman Mills please we can we we
will reach out thank you um and something that perhaps we should do on that is to make clear that we would like the city to participate in helping moderate it so we can make sure sure it's an inclusive environment that even questions that are are potentially
difficult questions have that there's space for those to to be included oh and I don't I think we should even extend it to our state reps oh absolutely I mean I'm personally getting a lot of questions from various citizens about what is going on and these are not things we
answer it's the next level so if we could also extend to our state preps that's fine too so and that's all I had tonight so next up is Mayor SL well earlier I I started with a little bit of an apology uh that I should just say it's an all out apology uh
for not paying enough attention and asking enough questions and allowing a situation to arise that had us have fluide in the water only three months out of the last year roughly um the way our level the way our government works
you elect us we hire the city manager so at the end of the day you can't fire the city manager you can't dis anybody on staff we can't interact with people on staff or give them Direction uh all we can do is talk to the city manager and
and express disappointment that we are in this position so it doesn't matter whether you're for fluoride against fluoride any of this stuff the people who wanted it out did not know that they didn't have it and they could have been happy the people who want it in did not
know that they did not have it and that if they wanted it they needed to add the drop so on all sides this is just it's not okay uh nothing about it's okay and and it's not an isolated incident I wrote up a whole bunch of stuff and I'm not even going to read it uh but I do
want to make sure that we fix the problems that are recurring so this is just the latest in a lot of things where uh I feel like our our city manager allowed things to go too slowly or to delegate and not pay attention
after the delegation happened and we just kind of lost control of things so I I wanted to make sure that I listed these out cuz we have a lot of newer people on Council that may not be familiar with you the last 8 years of timelines where staff itself has picked
the time when a product would be delivered and then made excuses for why it wasn't done for for years in some cases so you know one of those is the fluoride we should have we should have known and there should have been some kind of system in place and there there
wasn't really that and this one just burns my heiny the police station so we were told after the voters approved this in 2016 that it was absolutely impossible to provide for our police forces current
needs with the 11.4 million dollars that was approved well we just discovered about a week and a half ago that it's absolutely possible we could have done this probably for Millions less and 8 years sooner and taking care of our women and men in blue 8 years ago so I
am just I am speechless at that in addition to the fluoride because we didn't have to have an 8-year delay and talk about this at nauseum the amount of time that our city has consumed and staff time people time Consultants the
amount of money we have spent it is just it's mindboggling and it's unacceptable another thing that's not okay is the Mobility plan it was supposed to take one year staff said it will take one year 9 to 9 to 12 months so I said in my brain one year well it
took us three year oh no that's Mobility plan the comp plan was about 2 years then we had the Land Development code it was supposed to take 12 months and it took two years and the Mobility plan uh so I called up and said hey let's do a Mobility plan the first response I get is I don't think we can shortly after I
said you know I called to suggest it because I already did the research and I know we can so we finally start moving in this direction it should have taken 9 to 12 months and it took us 3 years in the meantime the county passes a
Mobility plan uh and the developers you know we could have been collecting or you we could there's some legal nuances in there but we could have locked in higher impact fees that could have been collected for years like two years so all of that is lost opportunity lost
revenue from developers that would have benefited our residents so that's not okay either and then we've got the utility rate study so that I was told would take about 6 months that took 18 months and I understand all the reasons
why there's always these beautiful explanations but I am tired of people explaining why we are going half speeed or slower on every single project this is costing taxpayers millions of dollars so much in Lost opportunity the business
Community is getting so frustrated and I want us to be the place to go where people say you know if what you go too I'm not going to be run around the bush and have to do all this stuff like we're just going to do the thing so I just wanted to make you guys aware of you
know we know about the fluoride we realize now that the police station could have been done eight years ago we got the Mobility plan two years late comp plan two years late Land Development code two years late utility rate study a year late and and I'm basing the utility rate study on the
consultant so even as we're finishing it up staff is saying oh it's going to take us 18 months next time we do this study and I said no this is ridiculous there's no need for it and staff continued to say it's going to take a year and a half and the consultant continued to say it
only takes us six months so we need to as a council like we are the people's representatives and we hire the city manager to move the ball we are not allowed under our Charter to move the ball but we have to figure figure out a
way how can we collaborate with Mr cob and and I hope you'll respond to this please let us know how we can help you do things at a speed that is customary and acceptable because this last eight years of lost revenue and lost
opportunity we cannot do this anymore and that's that's all I got so I didn't know if we were looking for response I I I guess from both sides so are you guys okay with this
speed and how can what should we do like I don't know what to do I I think it is important also for me to say that I have mentioned all these things directly to Mr cob before today over time multiple times on all these different issues and expressed hopes that he would go faster
and do things differently and and here we are I don't know what to do but this fluoride thing it just got my goat and and we cannot allow this to keep going well I'm not sure this is the place to do it but El certainly we can talk we can talk about this at another time
you're throwing this on the table for the first time to us and asking us for a discussion we ought to wait and and like I say usually sleep on it come back get Mr Cobb's comments and then go from there that seems
fair so are we thinking make this a discussion item how we can speed things up up or you what's well Mr cob can you come up with some uh report for us on how you can address the concerns of
timelines maybe a reorganization of some sort I know there's there's issues I know there's uh resource issues but uh give us something to chew on and then we can go from there I know there's room for there's always room for improvement there's always room for improvement yes
and you know I think comes down to the you know the old broken windows thing if if we're not doing stuff people think we're not paying attention and then they start getting discouraged and I think we do need to do a better job with that okay uh anything else mayor city
council member uh nothing for me council member bford yes uh so we get same Pat State coming up here in two weeks uh that's on Saturday that's uh 3 3: to9 is that
right four four four okay four so if I got there at three I'd be early probably get better parking help him set up yeah uh you already mentioned the 100th anniversary we do have this to had the Relay for Life which uh Parks put on you
guys did a phenomenal job out there it was a great turnout uh a lot of people again that goes to the American um cancer American lung cancer cancer cancer American Cancer and then also to the veteran tribute wall so good job of
that uh Paul and your staff they did uh did a lot of work on that and did a did a great job we do have the AO police foundation golf event coming up this Friday and this is an organization uh that works to help officers when there are things that they need that are
outside the city budget limits uh that could be anything from like k to uh Scopes to uh some type of training uh I think we saw some U restraining stuff one time um to use so again it's a
great found uh organization uh their event is this Friday at Twin Rivers uh and uh it is sold out so should be a should be a good day for that so outside of that I mean we had a lot of interesting conversations tonight so I
will end it on that now and thank you for those of you who stuck with us um so future meeting dates say something I'm so sorry that I cannot believe the city functions in a fashion where you put your own employees on blast like that I'm I'm sorry we that is crazy I'm sorry
we can't do public comment right now that was so disgraceful what did you think put uh put employees on blast uh let's go over future meeting dates so we have canceled the March 17th session so so the future meeting dates
we have are Monday March 24th at 5:30 p.m. at our work session and Monday April 7th 6:30 p.m. we have a regular session is there anything else for the go to the order no with that it is 8:41 p.m. and this meeting is
adjourned what she's