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It was a big shot. >> Yes. He's in footage. Change your whole life. That's what I'm saying. I'm just going to taste it. That's fine.
>> Did you see the drop? It's just because I want to be fair. I don't Oh, >> good. How are you? >> That means you got to talk about something. which is very
>> personal. I just remember walking up one day and see online, >> right? Well, I saw is essentially manager for their
>> I get so confused. a second especially now. So you have It's kind of Thank you. >> Oh yeah. They believe you're switch I don't know what
you're Go ahead. You need more room or should I I was going to say sorry. phones and I wasn't looking at mine. >> I still like their phones. >> Have you tried the Sharpie ones? I think I told you to try those. >> And we kept walking around the
permutations. >> Those roll better. It was good exercise. Good exercise. What you guys do? Like nine miles or something. >> 8 point something. I mean, >> why do we have this here? >> Some people take off today.
>> We're off today, >> but he does not get on GT. >> I watch this. Makes my phone. >> I I watch the official clock. The official clock. >> Is that really the official clock? >> Okay. It's the only one that I'm paying attention to. It's official to me. >> It's official to you.
>> It is. >> I don't know what that is. >> Okay. Are we all ready? Okay. Calling the City of Oto, Florida Community Redevelopment Agency Governing Board into session. It's Monday, February
16th, 2026. It's 6:00, but Jeff thinks it's 601. Uh, first item we have, uh, let let the record reflect, if I didn't say it, all members are here. Uh, first item we have is approval of minutes. Is there a motion? >> Make a motion to approve the minutes for
December 15, 2025 regular session. >> Second. >> There's a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Okay. Motion passes. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak to us during public comment? Hearing none, we move on to consent
agenda. What's the pleasure of the board? >> I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda as is. >> Second. >> There's a motion and a second. I'll call the vote. All those in favor say I. I. >> It appears that motion passes. >> Um, we have two discussion items. The
first one being Franklin Street. I believe Mr. Jurggain, you're the presenter on that. Good evening. >> Good evening. >> Stepmaster. >> So for Franklin Street, um there's a
memo that you all received and that was a memo prepared by our consultant BHB. And with me tonight is Jennifer D. Stefano and Mark Burtoni, both with VHB and they're going to come up and help answer any questions that you have. But as you may recall from the last update that we provided to you, there were a
couple of remaining items for the Franklin >> There you go. >> There were a couple of remaining items for the for the Franklin Street project. One of those was to permit it through the Florida Department of Transportation. So, as such, we've started that permitting process and
we've had two meetings with DOT. In both of those meetings, DOT made it very clear that in order for them to approve the project, we would have to add a left turn lane in a northbound direction on State Road 434 onto Franklin Street. So,
the current design does not have that left turn lane. So, given the given that fact, um we asked VHB to give us an estimate estimate of cost for design and for construction. And that estimate is
approximately $221,000 for design and that would include survey, geotechnical information and so forth because the entire signal would have to be redesigned to accommodate that left turn line. And then secondly, the construction. So, the construction
estimate is approximately $700,000 and that would be approximately $500,000 for signal modifications and then about $200,000 for some minor roadway modifications. So, tonight we're here to ask for your
concurrence to proceed to make those uh revisions. If you do concur, then we would need to process a change order for VHB to implement those additional designs. So with that, um, be happy to answer any
questions that you have. >> So, so what you're asking basically before I let everyone get into questions is for us to based on your memo move some of the construction money to design to get this permit through DOT. Is that correct?
>> Exactly. Yeah. So there's there's money in construction that we could transfer into design to accommodate that roughly $221,000 to get it designed and then obviously we'd have to come back later with a budget amendment to to add the additional construction cost later.
>> Okay. Does anyone uh on the board have further questions for Mr. Yearane or or the consultant? >> Do we know why DOT was so insistent that we put a turn lane in there? Yeah, I'm going to let um Jennifer answer that question.
>> And a related question that I hope you can answer at the same time is is there a way for us to change our process so we sort of touch bases with FDOT on this stuff before we go completely design a project and then have to well I guess it
where we're designing a different part but still it's it seems like it's an extra cost other than what it would have been had we done it all at the same time. Possibly. Yeah, possibly. We'll answer that second. >> Okay, perfect. >> Can you repeat the question once more? Sorry.
>> Yeah, I'm just wondering why the DOT was so insistent that we put a left turn lane on the northbound lane to where Franklin's going to intersect into Lake Jessup, which doesn't make any sense. >> When we first scoped this project, >> um, we did not include that left turn
lane for a few reasons. one the cost of >> Can you get the microphone right in front of your face? >> Going to eat it. Okay, >> perfect. You need it. >> So, we didn't include that scope originally because the cost of the signal is is so high. Um, and we didn't want to, you know, impose that cost on
it. It wasn't relieving any existing traffic problems and there was a signal at Magnolia that would continue to operate as such. So, so we left it out um on out of the project. Um, when we met with the DOT, they were concerned that any amount of traffic that would
try to take a left there would impact their traffic on 426. Even though we were proposing as a no left turn lane, that it would be illegal to take a left turn. I think the sentiment was someone's going to do it and it's just going to mess up traffic on 426.
>> 434. >> 434, you mean? Correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um, so their biggest concern was that any left turning traffic would back up into the through lane and cause additional delay for through lane traffic. And then to your point of
coordinating with DOT earlier, um, once you receive the DOT permit, you have a year to begin construction, otherwise your permit will expire. So given some of the unknowns with this project relative to funding and actually moving it to construction, we held off on going through the DOT permitting process until
we were sure of the funding and um able to fit within the time frame once the permit was issued. >> All right. Thank you. >> And there's no going back to DOT on this, is there? >> We've tried. We've had two different meetings with them. They were insistent at both meetings. They will not approve
the project unless the left turn lane is included as part of the design. H. Okay. >> And they didn't give a specific reason why it was >> I think it's self-evident. Like I of course want to turn left there. >> Yeah. >> We all want to turn left.
>> Yeah. Their biggest concern was the additional delay in the through lane of the main line. >> Is there a left turn lane up on Magnolia? >> Yes. >> Yes, >> there is. >> Not a very big one. You could stack maybe two or three cars there. >> So, how how many cars do you anticipate
being able to stack at Franklin? It's going to be I don't know what >> we can without any without any improvements to the roadway. None. Because it's just I don't know if you when you're out there if you notice there's kind of like an angle point coming. >> It's very squeezy.
>> Right. So, in order to fit a left turn lane in there, then we'd have to push that curb out a little bit. Get rid of that angle point. And then we could fit in. Once you do that, you can make a left turn lane as long as you want because it goes into that center turn lane that that's there, the double left.
So we can accommodate 20, 30, 300 feet um depending on how long that is. So >> all right, >> Mr. Year and I'll let everyone else if they have questions jump in. Obviously our until we do a design and
get a permit, our funding choices are are kind of open because we don't really know this final cost. So looking at timing, it's possible we may kick into the next fiscal year which starts October.
Would you say that's true >> for construction? >> Yes. >> I I think that's an accurate statement. Yeah. So design would take I I think in the memo we said somewhere between 8 to 12 weeks to do design and then the additional time to permit. So yeah,
absolutely. It would it would definitely be into the next fiscal year for >> Okay. But we'll we'll be potentially okay because we'll be within the one year if if we started after sometime after October this year. >> Yeah, I think that's a fair point. Yes, I think we would be okay.
>> Okay. Does anyone else have further questions before I ask for direction of the board? >> Well, I'm I'm looking at Google Earth of Magnolia. I don't see a turn lane on Magnolia. Yeah, there's one >> a left-hand turn lane >> to go north on 434.
>> No, it's a turn onto Magnolia off of 434. >> Oh. Oh, to turn off of >> Yep. >> Yeah. So, in on State Road 434, there's a there's a turn lane. >> Okay. >> In in both north and southbound directions. >> Okay. I I see what you're saying. Okay.
Thanks. >> Any more questions? Okay. Um so what they're seeking is direction of the board to bring back to us a budget amendment to move the amount stated what was it 200 and something plus >> yeah approximately 221
>> plus a 10% buffer as usual >> from construction where we have it to design. Uh does everyone concur with that? Is there okay? >> Yes. >> It appears you have your concurrence. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. So,
will this be able to come back to us March 16th, >> our next meeting? >> Yes. >> Uh, another question from Mr. >> Well, I just wanted to make sure. I mean, it says here that the estimated construction cost to modify 434 and
modify the existing signal will increase by approximately 700,000. So, we're >> we're asking for the 700, not just the 221, or we're giving direction for the 700, not just the 221. >> No. No. uh they're going to have to come back with the design with a new estimate
of cost and talk to us again. >> Okay. I'm sorry. >> Right. Is that correct? >> Yeah, that that's correct. It I mean the idea was to give you a view of what it will likely be, but the immediate ask is in order to move forward, we need additional funds for design.
>> Okay. Yeah. And you had already said that, but I had to hear it twice. >> It's all right. >> Sorry. >> All right. So, I think we're ready to move on to Thank you. >> We have one one last question. >> Okay. I'm sorry, guys. >> Is this Is this going to be paid for out of this year's budget, or are we going
to have to come back and put some more money in from next year's budget? >> The design would be paid out of this year's budget. We would move money from construction to design. >> Okay. Now, >> so this additional million will be out of next year's budget. >> Yeah. So, so the additional construction
costs would have to be addressed with next year's budget. >> Okay. Anything else? Anyone? >> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. Oh, >> if I may. Uh, the 16th I would consider tenative at this time. >> Okay. Whichever our next meeting is.
How's that? >> Thank you, sir. >> All right. Uh, so next item we have item seven, update on call to artist award. Uh, Dr. Koreah, I believe that's you. >> Good evening, Mr. chair CRA members. So today I'm here to update the board on
the um call to artist for the mural at Center Lake Park. Uh we received 15 um applications. So 15 designs from 11 applicants. So two applicants submitted three designs each. There was no restriction in the criteria for the call
to artist. And um on January 21st, the public art board met and ranked um evaluated all the uh applications and ranked the top four. So I have the top four here. If we can pull um so this was
the top design um and the theme was um ovidu centennial right um past, present and future. This was the second design. So ranked number two, the previous one from the
same artist. Those the top two were the from the same artist. Um the next one was ranked number three. And then um the last one was ranked this one was ranked number four. As you saw in the memo, there was a discussion on the use of AI.
We do not have a policy at this time and this is a new territory for us. So, we are learning um how to deal with that. But I wanted to present to the board and here if you have any questions, I'm here to answer them. Or >> which one was number one? This is number
one. >> This is number one. >> Okay. >> Per the public out board. Yes. >> So, not the one that said it'll veto 100 years on it. >> No, that was number four. >> That's number four. Okay.
>> We can go back. So, this is the ranking. Um this is number four. for the public art board and you have your the ranking in the in the memo. >> So, Dr. I'm looking at the memo and there's there's a painting that's
actually titled number one. It says a veto. It's got a rooster with some oranges uh a woman a young woman with headphones on. So, that's not it. One of these >> there's no So, you have two attachments. one shows all the attachment one shows
all the 15 designs correct attachment >> attachment one I'm looking at it >> so attachment two shows the uh the top four um uh designs and then the table I think it was maybe not so much clear but it has artist the number of the artists
on the left column shows the um the ranking so it's art artist number three got the the the most points the the highest points and that's the one. >> Okay. >> So, just a process question for you, Dr.
Korea. This isformational for the CRA board because we're funding it. >> Yes. >> But you have it on the city council agenda next for consent >> to concur with the art board. >> Absolutely. So, because we have the discussion opportunity now in a few minutes to to keep you guys from having
to pull it off consent if there's any issues that are going to come up at city council, now is a good chance. >> Yeah, have at it. Uh, thank you. Um, I looked at this uh number three closely. Um, and you know, scrolling by
it, it's like, okay, this is see perspective and all that stuff, but um, but looking at it closely, uh, I know there was a discussion about AI. Um, staff reached out to this artist and said, hey, did you use AI? And got an answer that said something like, well, I used three different types of software,
which I think is evading the question because when you look at it, it is it is just full of AI artifacts. And in my opinion, if we paint this in Center Lake Park, we will be mocked.
Um, I can I can go through and point out what some of them are if you like, or we can I I don't really know what to do, uh, what what you're looking for, but um, if anyone else wants to jump in. >> Why Why would we have a a mural with a
electric box and gutters on it? I don't I don't >> It is kind of weird. No, no, that's that's where it's going to be painted. That's the existing structure. >> Structure and be that's the wall the existing wall. But there is like a mop sort of a thing happening over there. >> Okay. I I want to jump in on this AI
thing. So I I mean yeah it's it's problem. We don't have any regulation on it. We need to fix that. This is >> um I don't want to pick an artist >> who's selling their artwork by stealing other people's artwork, which is currently where AI is unregulated. So,
um I think when you reached out to this artist, they showed us some of their own work, >> but I don't know how we vet these entries because it's not just this one. I mean, it's it's clear that like half of them at least are generated by the internet and that's not who's going to
be painting it on the wall. Is there a way I don't want to like not decide today, but I also don't want to pick misrepresented art to go back and ask these people to resubmit and say no AI in their submissions to get an idea
of what they are as artists and not what a software is. >> What could be a council for sure. So when I I uh this was discussed in the in the public art board after that I
reached out to all the art the top four artists to ask which are really three artists to ask for um their process. So this specific one um showed a lot of murals that he painted. So he these are
all legitimate artists right just to clarify it's not a robot doing you know the thing and we are because this has to be delivered so he showed his process and his process and I think I sent a Dropbox today I don't know if you had a chance to look at it um one of them
shows the concept for a vido the past present and future and then I think he plugs into AI and enhances it I don't know exactly if it's what percentage is completely generated by AI because what I thought it was really a very
rudimentary sketch and then the final design. So uh and and when and I talked to him over the phone today and actually I invited him to he was already invited to come here but then he declined because he's in Miami. But uh what he told me is that in many places um so
artists are using AI already and uh what they do is that when they are picked then they will elaborate the design with the board that they have to work with. Um so again this is something that is new. So we have now to establish in the next um first of all I think we have to
establish a criteria for the use of AI in public art and then um in in our next call to artist then have the direction which has to be discussed with council is going to be what percentage no use of AI at all because there are some
softares that enhance you know designs and people already do that with Photoshop there's a lot of you know different softwares that have >> I mean I'm sure there's a there's a soft landing here if it was paired with like you said he did send like sketches I I'd rather see a you know base level sketch
of this is what I'm looking for and then hey this is an AI generated thing to give you an idea but this is actually me I'm cool with that I just if this is like all we're seeing for all of these artists I'm >> it's like the same building in all of the stuff >> one has to assume that so there's a
different skill set in generating something for a screen that you can show to the public art board and say I want to make something kind of like this, right? And the ability to go and execute that on a wall, right? Completely different medium. So, >> so yeah, maybe you know, hey, here's
some of my ideas or whatever. And then I, you know, when we go into the wall, I'm not going to have the floating piece of wood, >> right? Um, so but but that's not really what we put out as a call to artists, and that's not what anybody really
understands this uh competition, so to speak, to have been. So >> did the you're right. >> Did the artboard see the sketches and already kind of go through this process? >> No. No, there were no sketches. So >> So they just saw this, nothing else.
>> Just saw the the fine the 15 designs that you all saw with the narrative. >> I mean this is amazing that they picked this. >> So can to to answer that, can can you say what you told me earlier about going through the criteria? Um
>> if we can all hang on a minute, everybody. I I was hoping we could use a little time here to resolve this. It's obvious we cannot. >> Probably not. >> So, this either has to be left to the council to pull from the agenda or continue or whatever they do. >> Are you ready for supper?
>> No, I'm just saying this could go on at an item and and we can't vote or give direction on this board. I was just trying to >> give you guys some time to discuss this, but it doesn't look like it's going to be resolved. >> This is true. I don't think that in the
next meeting either. >> Yeah. >> So, so hearing all this angst, we'll revisit that. >> My suggestion is we >> lob this back to the council >> and off of the CRA list and and I'll just ask all the members, do we have
anything else for the CRA meeting tonight? >> Well, thank you. >> Nothing further. >> Anybody, Mr. uh executive director? >> No, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. >> Okay. with that. Evidently, who knows if it's during spring breaks or whatever it
is, we might have a meeting Monday, March 16th. We might not >> at that time. At this time, it is tentative due to the spring break holiday. Yes. >> All right. With that, we are adjourned. And since I never use this, I will >> we are but not