We got Jamie. Big fan of your work. Oh, thank you. >> My kids love especially the uh Park, >> you know. you know, >> like I notice it, >> but for the most part it's it's
>> absolutely beautiful. know people like >> Yeah. Like you can >> Yeah. I knew you over there. Oh, thank you.
Hello Dalia. >> Hi. >> How are you all? Donna. Hi. >> Hi. Good to hear from you all. Everybody want to celebrate.
>> Yeah. I see that it says that you join Ready? I guess we can start. >> All right, let's bring our meeting to order. Please call the role. All right. So, we have present tonight.
Um, and is here. She did confirm. Xavier Moss, Jamie Wesardo, Baldra Sow. Um, absent is Amber Waters. Uh, Donna Evans is virtual and Lisa McCoy is trying to log on virtual.
>> Yes. >> Voice from the park. I will remind everyone to silence your cell phones. Let's consider the minutes from the previous meeting which was May 20th.
I'll entertain a motion for approval to approve last meeting's minutes. Second, >> right, we have a motion and second to approve the minutes. Five. Is there any corrections or discussion?
Hearing none. Uh please vote uh >> I to in favor of approval. >> I >> or no to not approve. >> Right. The minutes are approved. And now we have a
agenda time for public comment. Is this when we want to hear from our artist? I think we can do here. >> Okay. >> All right. Are there any public comments for >> Jamie's letter? >> Oh, I wasn't sure when. >> Oh, >> I'm still getting used to the order.
>> That would be for discussion. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, that's all right. Then, let's close public comments. and then go to the Stafford.
>> So today we brought um two artists. We're going to start with Mr. Ken Ford on the sculpture. Um he already signed um the agreement. Um he gave a time frame up to December just to be able to
uh cover possible seasons to plant the landscape because we are heading to the you know summer. >> So the arch and the arch work we can we can start um doing that that needs to be
permitted by the city. Um so we discussed all that but we put the time frame to completion to December 2026. So, if we can show the two um designs and um I want him to maybe to explain
because this was the the original design of the of the arch and then he provided another one and he was talking to me that it's going to be a mixture of both. Let him talk now.
>> Thank you. So, first just thank you for the opportunity. This is going to be very exciting, very fun to put together. Um, this is really a collaborative project between myself and an artist I've known for a very long time, uh, my sister. Uh, she's Ashley Ford. She, uh,
she lives in Pennsylvania. She and I were talking about how to approach this project. It caught my interest because it was dealing with the flora and fauna of Ovito, which um if you may have seen me in a on city council meetings, I talk
at length about native plantings around Ovido. So that's what really caught my attention on this project. And uh we got together, we started researching the area, and the research into Ovito went really in depth. And it was really interesting to see all of everything that happened going all the way back to
the native tribes that inhabited this area. uh a long long time ago. So we we tried to incorporate as much of the Obito history as we possibly could. Um and that's where the the archway started to to evolve. Um started include it
included some architectural features from the Heroro tribes that were in the area. Um and that's where the the first sketch that you saw was um was developed. The uh rendering that you're seeing here was developed mostly with the intent to
show the the native plantings in front. Um the archway behind is is uh admittedly very attractive. And my sister and I went back and forth on this is how do we want to approach this archway? Um because it developed into
this round almost moongate design. Um, while we find that very attractive and um, very, you know, stunning for the area, we we got to be careful that we don't have any cultural appropriation going on because the Moongate is deeply rooted in
Chinese heritage and Obito doesn't really have a tie to that. Um, so there might be a bit of a design change uh to kind of separate us a little bit from that uh and lean more toward a more traditional straight side um archway.
There's uh some other thoughts floating around, but this is, you know, the basic framework of what that archway is going to look like. Um, and the uh the the other thing we mentioned too was the plaque shown in the picture is right in the middle of
the sidewalk. that obviously won't happen. It would be uh obstructing the pathway. So, um and it's all intended to just have to to celebrate native plantings by being native plantings and having the archway as a focal point for
that. So, again, thank you very much for this opportunity. It's going to be a gonna be a lot of fun. >> So, Keegan, are you going to show another sketch? Yeah. So, I'll I'll provide some additional rendering so you can we can all see and agree upon um any
of the design detail changes. >> Um but like I said, I just want to be careful that we're not >> incorporating heritages that Obito has no real tie to. >> So, it's going to be more round than it is shown in the in the Portugal. Right.
>> Right. Right. >> The the more vertical is is less attached to to the moon gate design. Mhm. >> Um, and so that I do have a rendering that I can send over later that is very
much like it is right now except >> right where it meets here >> instead of curving back in on the bottom. >> It's it's not a not a huge change. Okay. >> More like this. >> More like Yeah. >> Oh,
>> right. Okay. >> The rest of the rest of the features would would remain the same because they're tied to the Heroro tribes. >> You have this stamped along the >> Yes. Okay. So, that's that's tied to the to the Heroro tribe architecture. Um, but the the internal complete circle is
is >> is not. So, we we kind of want to straighten it up a little bit so that it's it's more tied uh to appropriate features. >> Would the plaque be in the middle like right under the arch? Is that the >> It could be. Um, it could be mounted in
the sidewalk underneath the arch. Uh, it depends on ADA compliance for that. Um, if if we could also put it on the I get this uh in the view you're facing east >> u seeing the west side of the archway.
We could put it on the east side of the archway which is next to the sidewalk. So, as you walk up to it, you'll see the plaques but from the street side it'll be on the opposite side of the archway. In these renderings, the um plantings that are existing there now don't show
up. And that makes a big difference. The I don't know what they're called, the holl or something. The >> the holl don't exist anymore. >> Oh, they're they're gone. >> Oh, they're crepe myrtles now. >> Yeah, they they pulled out the five holl and they put two crepe myrtles in. >> So, that that makes the whole backdrop different >> a little bit. The backdrop that's shown
here is um similar, but not exactly obviously not exactly what's there. There's a brick wall which is from Kingsbridge um and pine trees and oaks that are behind um kind of just there. Um but immediately
behind the wall is now great >> Mr. >> Yes. >> I was going to ask a quick question. I assume you've spoken with the garden club and they are they doing the plantings? >> I actually have a meeting with the garden club tomorrow. Um, for the for
the initial plantings, I will be doing the planting. >> Um, and my the point of my meeting tomorrow is to try to develop a long-term maintenance strategy with the Ovito Garden Club. >> Okay. >> That hasn't been established. >> No, they have a they have a few areas
around town that they do maintain. Um, and I'm asking them to include this area in through their >> What if they can't don't want it? Then I then I have to work with the city to develop the maintain uh the long-term maintenance plan.
>> The mayor uh at the meeting where this was approved, the mayor predicted that many people will want to take their picture there under the arch. >> I hope so. >> So you definitely want to keep the walkway clear and the area right underneath clear. >> Absolutely. Yeah.
>> I think the park has to move to the other side. >> I agree. So that you know people can access the >> to be attached to the wall. >> Somebody would have to work hard to see it though. They have to walk all the way through.
>> Oh, isn't that intention make it goable there and the >> fortune favors those who are curious. >> And we were talking about because um um Kean was talking to me about all the
different elements of this project, right? the landscape the uh narrative that he provided on the history. So it will be nice and actually the same thing for the mural. It will be nice in the plaque to have a QR code
>> so that we don't need to make summaries so that we can have you know information that you know can be as ample as you want right as comprehensible as you want in the website. Can I ask because I joined after the fact um what's going on the
plaque? >> So the plaque is recognized um the project the name of the artist. >> Okay. >> Right. And then any other you know who's who's sponsoring it. >> So like the placard in a gallery but as a flag. Got it.
>> Thank you. >> Yeah. and and if there's any message right if there's a title to the to the um the project and then in this case we would like to have a QR codes then have access to more information >> has the city um said that they would be
willing to maintain this if the garden club can >> the city maintains that area the parks >> but this is going to be complicated maintenance this is not >> because it's native right hopefully The idea of maintenance is that it's not going to be
>> well that's >> that's the hope >> that's the hope right >> I register my concern about the long-term maintenance >> yeah so one thing is that with the maintenance of and I'm not a a landscape architect but the native um planting is
that it will go from dry you know seasons during the winter so we have to accept that it's not going to be manicured the whole year but then it comes back. Right. So, >> right, many of the plants that are shown are already existing throughout our
veto. For example, mlly grass is all through uh Mitchell Hammock's medium. Uh and that really only takes maintenance about once a year. They cut it back and then it grows back and blooms. >> I understand that. I'm still registering my concern about the long-term maintenance.
>> Sure. Is there a plan to have like any like small signage just to like keep on the path just to it feel like they're going to be some like little ones especially
>> well uh even signage wouldn't probably >> have a lot for those young at heart who might >> I would like to plant it as as dense as possible that would imply you you need to stay on the path because there's nowhere else to step. Yeah.
>> And uh chances are with the appropriate plant selection, even as it ages, it'll become that dense. >> And are those electric lights on either side of the of the P? >> Uh those particular lights were solar. >> Okay. >> Uh but there is extensive electrical in
that area. So I if I uh and I've considered the idea of providing down lighting along the arch for more nighttime um lighting uh to to bring interest well when it's dark um because that uh center lake lane is it center
lake lane uh the road that road dead ends into this sculpture area so if you're driving up it would be nice to see it lit instead of a dark concrete wall. >> Yeah, >> that'd be nice. May I ask a question? >> Yeah, sure. >> Um, you mentioned that you've done some
research to incorporate the Jeroro aesthetic into your design. Have you done your research because most of the anthropology indicates the Jerro were not this far north. We're actually in Maka, right? >> And the reason that would be perhaps helpful to you is the iconography at Hun
Island might be something to consider for if you're looking for textures, things like that. There's a rich anthropological uh trail, if you will. If you haven't considered that already, just might want to look at it. >> Yeah, we actually did come across the
Maka tribe as well. Um and uh I've actually I've camped at Pontoon Island, so I'm I'm familiar with that area. But yeah, thank you. >> If if you Google the Hon Island owl totem, it's pretty famous anthropological artwork. It may be useful to you in your finetuning of
textures and things like that. >> Absolutely. >> Oh, cool. Geeking out of curiosity, what what are the plants that you have selected already or that you're considering? >> Uh there's mully, um tropical sage, um
I'm trying to avoid dune sunflowers, uh just the ones that get wildly out of control. Um some other plants are blanket flower. Um really staying within trying to stay within native, but at at a minimum staying Florida friendly.
Okay. So, the depiction is not what it will look like. It'll be a little different from this. >> The dep. It's as close to what I intend as as I could possibly get. Um there are some uh plant the the plants that are in
there are all plants I've selected and specified. >> Um but as the project develops, we may change it just as plant spacing and arrangement is concerned. But we're definitely sticking very close to um this plant selection that we've shown.
>> Okay. The color is attractive. >> Yeah, the the blue I just remember the name was blue porterweed is the other the blue flowers. >> Okay, good. >> Any other questions? >> We would appreciate any updates on your
work plans as you as you get them together. Absolutely. >> I think our next step is to meet with our um wreck and parks director. We can schedule that because um I think the wall needs to be
you know maintained at least I don't know if they already have done work on that but the last time I went there >> you know >> I noticed it was repaired recently. >> Okay. is that was the agreement and then I would like them to be involved with the collection of plans because they are
the ones that making the area >> unless there is another agreement right >> sure absolutely >> they are the ones that should be on board with whatever is being planted >> yeah thanks for coming and thank you thank you >> thank you
good luck with Our next project is the mural that was selected this past Monday. There was um some discussion right to council. I already met um just he also signed the
agreement already. Uh he plans to start um the project in August and complete in September. and uh and he had some ideas also say there that I would love your input as
well. So I would like to talk about the project. >> Super excited about this to be here. Um so very traditionally murals you paint directly onto the wall. I really wanted to maybe try um a technique where you
use it's called um poly tap um mural cloth. It is still be a little bit hot during the summer. I might get this done for you guys as quick as I can. I can paint it in my studio. Then it's applied to
the wall. It has a it's like if it was painted on the wall if with maintenance and cleaning it will last 20 plus years. which was actually made popular in the 70s in Philadelphia, but muralists were trying to paint during the winter and different things like that. And it held
up held up in the snow, the salt. So that was my plan. I wanted to run it past you guys. If you guys were looking though for more of a theatrical, here's an artist painting on a wall for everyone walking by. I can throw elements into that because I know I love mural painting. That's kind of the draw.
We want people to come to the park to watch the muralist paint this >> project. Yeah, Savier can can speak on that because he >> Yeah, Polyab I've worked with it before um in El Paso organizations that's used it um they're
based in Cambridge and then they travel for the summer so it's >> okay >> we roll it up and and then do finishing touches. So that might be something like do the bulk of it um like in your studio and then I don't know which touches like you feel like for you are like the
easiest like finishing things that could be cool to be like >> we could communicate with the city and be like hey if like you want to see an artist in action they'll be on site these days >> um working um but yeah Poly Tab has a solid reputation for holding up. I mean,
if you were looking for like visual consistency between like the extent murals, it's going to be the first one that like is on the polytop, but I don't think many people if you don't specifically say anything because I'm assuming you're going to cut it to fit exactly.
>> Yes. So then unless like you really go up and are like not >> it's not perceivable we cannot >> well because my understanding is that like do you use a is it would it be a squeegee or something to
>> like really get out the air pockets at the end. So >> then do you coail do UV protection obviously graffiti protection? So it it would read like very much if anything it's a smoother texture than
the wall itself because it's kind of canvas like it's a little different than traditional canvas but there wouldn't have to be as much um like on my mural like >> it's subject to the like structure issues. So like there are some cracks
that have formed on that wall with Poly Tab. Even if the wall behind it develops a crack, you wouldn't see it because it's a different surface. >> So, the poly cam has a texture. >> Not that you would be able to tell. Yeah. It's not like you're going to walk
up to a painting and see a canvas, >> but it won't be like a brick or like the concrete right now. The imperfection. I walked up to the wall and I ran my hand on it the other night. They did a great job prepping it, but again, you still have some inconsistencies. I mean, I wouldn't want to look shiny and plastic.
It doesn't >> You use a matte finish. >> Okay. What's the risk of it like bubbling in the heat or um >> From where I research the the materials >> and hurricanes and winds and and stuff
is not >> um I haven't heard anything again and again it's under the canopy kind of area and it's backed away. So that's why I felt more confident to that idea. >> Is the um like a set adhesive that comes
with the poly tab that you've already like looked into that. Okay. >> Did you relay any of the comments from >> So he watched um >> the video so we can discuss. Yeah. You know,
>> so the mayor made a comment about palm tree that it's a type of palm tree that's not found here. >> So I would assume it's not to alter a little bit. >> So what a sable were you going to go
with sable palm or coochie palm? >> That's the one she kept saying or no, she was talking about what she was um holding. She said she had comments about the olive. >> Yeah, she said it looked like a green, >> but I think I mean
>> I mean it I thought it was supposed to be Laurel, so I don't know. >> I know. >> Is it a >> It was meant to be an all. >> Okay. >> I think she had said something in the effect of like if you could like add just a few act the actual fruits on there just to clarify.
>> Yeah. And for some reason she was bothered by the earrings might hang on them or something. Um >> she said he was worried about the ears. >> Full transparency and that's why I'm super open to critiques and everything.
I found out about this a week before the due date. So this is a rough rough rough. I did the best I could in a week and midnight that night submitted it. So >> um >> definitely if we're thinking It looks
better without the earrings. I'm okay with that. >> I just think with the wreath the flowers that I like, but then again, it kind of away from the Greek goddess. >> I I like the earrings. I don't think you should remove the earring. You could just make them a little thinner.
>> Yeah. >> Is that okay with everybody? >> Maybe not so big. >> Yeah. >> Makes it a little bit more conservative that you make them a little smaller. >> Yes. Yes. and we've noticed that the um dimensions
don't fit exactly. Can you tell us about your plan? >> Of course. Um I don't know why I didn't submit this when I did it again. I was trying to get it done by midnight. But so the plan was in a lot of the brick work in Portugal and stuff is you'll have the pretty tiles and then you'll
have like maybe like almost not brick but it'll be maybe this big compared to the actual tile of a towel. And I would do a darker blue around the going up the sides of the >> So for actual like installation in your studio, are you planning on projecting
or I'm just curious about your process? >> I've started using the MetaQuest. >> Oh, okay. >> Really like that just to get it down. Um I also use Grin. virtual reality headset is what >> me and anybody who was
>> using technology when I can but still you can't beat a greater pattern. So, >> um the I was going to probably stencil the um they're very uniform. So, I make a stencil. They all be obviously very
symmetrical and uniform and and you mentioned maybe sandals on her feet. So she's not barefoot. >> Think that matters. >> Actually, the mayor liked her barefoot. She did say that. I like this idea. I gotta say, I don't
know anything about Poly Tab. to be able to weigh in on it today. I'd love an opportunity to just do some research and learn more if you've got resources you're willing to share so we can follow your >> thinking. I just >> I'd like to know about a thing before I weigh in on course. So, but I'm sure we
all do, but that's that's the one thing that's >> holding me back from enthusiasm. Enthusiastic yay because I really love this design. Do you have any questions about like installing specifically in the park? Um,
is that's great thing to bring out. I wasn't thinking about it, but do you guys need to have anything? I need to I was going to bring my own ladder and throw it up. You know what I mean? And you guys have obviously government. Do you guys have more? >> No, we don't have I mean this is an
approved project right by council. You just have to coordinate with the wreck and parks to, you know, whenever you're going to install that, but you know, they know you're there. They help you. If you have equipment that you need that will be there, right? And um there
>> is this one tall enough that you would need a lift. I just can't remember the height. We have the measurements in the in the I think to install you probably need some kind of leather to install if you're
going to install you know >> or you know but um what we have and we discussed that I don't know if all saw the the wall it has a camera. Oh, in the middle.
>> In the middle. >> It's a camera, right? >> No, the light is on the top. >> There is a camera >> and if we have the the picture that it will show. >> Can that
be terrible? >> We have a mural. >> A light. Of course, we need just like with the other with the sculpture. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, >> right. >> Yes. So there is the the the light is okay.
This is what bothers me. Right. >> Did you put it in with the oranges? Was that your is it in the spot where the orange? That's genius. >> Yes, I did. >> We could move right to the side to
whatever. I mean, I would I would love to have that conversation with the with the back and parks director, but you know, and now, especially if you're going to well, you could remove it, but it's going to be really weird to have a
camera on top of any design, >> right? for the application of like the adhesive. Is it a spray application or would you need like city to apply it and then >> No, it's just roller.
>> Well, the only other thought I had is we've discussed downplaying the chickens and the roosters. that would really change a lot. But it's just something to think about. The color choices there make it a welldesigned. But um since we
were talking about the palm trees and the palm frrons, I thought, well, maybe I just bring that up briefly. I don't know how we would change that or um in any way. Just a thought. >> Where's this? Which one is it? No, it's so Let's bring the design back
now. They want to discuss the >> It's not tall enough to need a cherry picker. >> Yeah. Plus, he's going to be you're going to be working on it primarily in studio. I was a big Is there
replace that top left tile if you're saying there's too many chickens? >> Yeah, maybe that >> some something else that would like represent what >> maybe a heron. I mean got the crane. >> Yeah.
>> So maybe a heron cheese ibis. by this. >> They're all over. Yeah. >> Or maybe that could be like you all still using the Hun Island resources as
a something to draw on to see if like maybe there's something else that has been neglected that very much was endemic to this area that we could >> endanger sort of >> or you know that owl um totem that >> go for tornado. You got to walk there as
you're >> a live oak tree. >> Yeah, you might you might consider a historical something unique to founding of the city >> town such as it was
beyond the salary and the train. I had a design for bank photograph. >> I don't know. Like the oak with Spanish moss would be nice. >> Yeah, sounds pretty. >> Acorn.
What other crops were here? >> There's a lot of over there, right? >> Yeah. >> Cattle. >> Yeah. >> Turppentine. Pines.
>> Not. >> What do you say? >> Turppentine. >> Oh, pine trees. >> I think oaks are prettier than pines. Either way, I think keeping the the birds in the primary though because those are the compliments. Those are the the warmest tones in the entire thing.
So, I think it's important to keep those >> where they're all balanced. >> I don't think we can escape the chicken until they change it from I mean there's signs all over with the >> it's about the past as well as
>> it does give a pop of color which is attractive. But really >> any more comments or discussion? >> One question, Teresa, for the um because I know on on mine I had way to do a revision with it. Is since it's pretty
much like obstructed, is he all right to do the townhouse signage? Is it Is it Is it >> See, it's it's if you know, you know, like >> Yeah, he can't. >> That's good. He's good. Okay. I just want
>> You're not You're not um >> It's just a shape. >> I just wanted to make sure because I didn't want him to get started and then >> advertising, right? >> You know, you could also think about the Len House or one of the churches, church
steeple. I think the lot house would be appropriate. It' just be a little bungalow house right there and you and you'd only see like a little bit of it. >> How big roughly are each of like the
tile elements? >> The exact measurement now I don't remember off the top of my head. um >> two two and a half feet or so. Okay. Yeah. >> House might be a lot of detail just cuz there's the siding on that one cuz it's
in one of the letters on the one next to it. Um >> which no not on this one. Sorry. I mean on the other mural that exists in >> Len house is represented there. >> Oh it is. >> So just like if if we the opportunity to include a different icon and it's so
close like >> I was thinking about the old bank if that would >> that's what I mean that's a fun history that still there. >> It's still there. So that would be advertising too. Or >> what about something related to the
steam books? So, we're we're saying definitely downtown house. Am I right? >> I don't think we said that. >> I mean, >> it's just a shape right there. It's not >> I I was just asking because I in the
initial design, I had had the townhouse, but it was much more front and center, so we did have to like change it. I wouldn't want him to start. >> Exactly. I mean, that's why we need to decide now, right? >> If you want to recommend that to change,
that's fine, too. It's already kind of hidden, >> right? >> But when the proportion change more of that title would show a little bit. >> No change. Just take
that wording there. It's like Jessie C. Yeah, we we don't want the wording. >> Yeah, >> that's a shame. >> But the but the proportion will not change of the design. What it's going to
change is going to add >> just on the side to make it >> to be wider. It's going to be solid blue or it's going to have some kind of >> So, it's going to be So, if you've seen
the thin tiles, >> usually the they will have like the decorative tiles and then they'll have like plain thin tiles around which >> it won't be just a blue square have shading and highlights. So, it looks like it's a tile as a representation of
a tile. >> So, you can see it's representation. >> Okay. >> Photo realistic tile. Do you already have like your brand of like paints that >> um I was going to try Nova >> Nova color.
>> Okay. I haven't used them before but a really good thing. >> Anything further. >> So would you like to see you know the changes in the design? Let me bring you back. >> I can knock that out. We meet every month.
>> We're pushing it past July. >> All right. Well, thank you both for coming to join us and congratulations to both of you. >> Thank you. >> Uh we get now into discussion items. And then I learned some from James.
>> Yeah. Um, last month, I can't remember if it was during my new member onboarding or if it was during this discussion, but um, talking about ways to engage more of the community more frequently with
showcasing their art. Like there, I don't know if they're still in there this month, but the the chickens in the city hall council chambers. And before that, there's been individual artists showing their collections. Um, and as I follow pretty much every public art space in the county and neighboring
counties, I stumbled across um something Orlando does, which they have just an open portal where a person can um input an application to display their work. Um, and I just thought that was an
interesting way of making it easy for somebody instead of having to find the right number to call, make a phone call, which can be a stopping point for some people. Um, and then it would be an easy enough thing with the system that's already in place to showcase people's
work to invite them in. This is, yeah, this is the Orlando one. I'm not saying we have to copy it verbatim or copy it at all, but I just um, it was one of those things, right? it was on my mind and then Instagram showed me this link and was like, "Oh." Um, so I thought it
would be worth sharing with you all in case that's something we wanted to pursue and um, also I just need more information myself about our process for making changes to the website and getting forms built and all that jazz. So um, put it in front of all of us so
we can discuss it. And then the other idea as opposed to an individual artist who is you know at professional status or enough of experience they've got a whole collection is doing more like open
call art shows. Um this mural project in particular seeing some of the submissions we got there's a lot of passion but not necessarily the experience where we're ready to do a whole mural commission for a person. And so it's a great fun way to let people show their creativity, get involved with
the city. It's up for a month or two or however long we decide. Um depending on the rules, they might be allowed to sell it. Um and then and it's just theme based. Um I mentioned in my email that there's um quite a few like restaurants
and breweries and things that do this. One of which I participated in. It's very fun. It's very casual. Um and they take everybody. they take, you know, kids stuff as well as, you know, adults. And it just seems like you have the opening reception and then it's there and it's fun. And it just seems like
with, sorry, I really should have thought my pitch out. With um, you know, a social media push and minimal advertising, we might be able to garner some more engagement that way. >> And this is for in the chambers. >> In the chambers. And if there's anywhere
else that we can sneak in art, Riverside, um maybe the community center at Center Lake Park, just anywhere indoors that people that there's foot traffic that people might be going, "Oo, what's that?" You know, >> we've talked about it'd be wonderful to have a gallery space.
>> Yeah. >> But >> yeah, so I I like the idea of the first one to have online to receive publications. I think that's not a difficult thing to put out there.
>> Um I'll have a look on the random one. I don't I have no shame in coffee, >> right? And and if you have that, it's just to collect applications and then bring to the board, >> right? Yeah. >> That's an easy >> not promising anybody anything. Yeah.
>> Yeah. This really is no cost. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There is there is an easy one. The other one is also up to the board. Um we only have the chambers at this point that we control right to um um the
amphitheater the cultural center they rent for weddings >> right they can't necessarily have >> in that you know the liability is a little bit different right also an area that we control >> um so but if you want to have collective
exhibitions there that's a possibility too. Um the thing goes through the same process. It has because it's based that it's also for public meetings, >> right? >> We need to kind of filter to be there,
>> right? >> How long is the current uh uh piece? How long are the current pieces scheduled to display? >> I have I will have to check. I think July. I think it's the end of July or
>> And what plans do we have after that? >> So, we had um we received two arches that um were interested in applying. I think I showed in the last meeting. One is this um lady that does
silk. >> We tried to contact her her to come here today. We couldn't manage to talk to her. Um and because we have also had other people coming, we did not approach the other one. But now it's going to be
our next project to find um who's going to be the next artist coming to see. >> So what I'll say is with the open call version um I've participated in a couple but the example I have is for Deviant Wolf in Sanford. It's one person who
primarily takes point. You have to email what you want to hang or what you want to display in advance. They check it out. I've never had anything rejected, so I assume they just go for whatever. Um, but they're they're looking to make sure, like you're saying, like they can pre-screen it and you build whatever
rules or guidelines into it, you know, >> yeah, appropriateness for the place and then it's all each session is a theme. So there's a fun moment of um you're working to an assignment as opposed to just like I want to do something but I don't know what and then it's there it's
builds itself into a collection. >> What kind of a lead time is typical between you know how how how much of a window of application and how much of a lead time before it actually goes up? So, if you have access to this link,
which now you all do, technically you have, you know, I think it's at least two months from a a public announcement to show uh opening, but all of the shows are listed on this link on the u the Deviant Wolf
link. So, you can go once you have access to it, you can go and see what December is, what and they do it every other month. Some places do it monthly. I think even quarterly would be like a good rhythm and maybe space it with individual artist group show individual
artist group show so we're getting a mix and um and then people also get used to the rhythm of it once it hopefully if it builds momentum but they just do it all with a uh a Google doc submission sheet and and person checking emails so I know it
would be more for us we'd have to review it as a team >> the collective thing the only thing we we sign agreement >> right >> with all those artists right >> this is >> and again remember that we don't have event planners >> right
>> you know in the department so we are the >> sure planners and this is my sidekick right so I'm development services director you know mainly you know so this is something that we need to have so I want to commit to something that we
can deliver >> and I have to tell tell you this woman is really busy at a city council meeting. >> Yes, she is. >> Every item that comes up, a staff report, she goes up there and talks. >> So, she's there over and over and over. >> Yeah.
>> Is there a mechanic for a board member to take more of a point on this or would it fall more strongly on your shoulders because of regulations? >> We have to the agreement we will have to to sign, right? This is something that
we already established that we need that. Um but yeah, no I think if you can volunteer to you know we can >> so so you're saying that when we have the exhibit for kids from the schools every student signs that agree
>> the teacher sign on behalf of all the students and then we name all the students >> because we are talking about you know this is for sale this is something damages right there was one day that the city clerk moved one um picture to the
side to put the the announcement and diet or someone came to me and said one chicken is missing and I oh don't tell me that. So I went there and I said, "Yeah, why the chicken that was
here?" >> We had in the in the chambers now an exhibition and it was from Hag um high school. They all painted um chickens in different you know styles but so I had to count them. They were there just one was
>> she had a counter chicken but yeah everything that went to council had to be had an agreement. >> Okay. So, so if we move forward with this idea and we have 30 different individual artists that each of them would need to sign to
to give permission to hang their work. >> Most likely it would depend on the circumstances. If they were all from the same organization, then there might be some way to condense it and have one signatory, but otherwise >> mostly.
>> Is there a way to build that agreement into the submission itself? So, it's just part of it or does it have to be a written signature or a specific document? >> We do have to have a signature because they're agreeing to things like liability and intellectual property rights, but it would depend. Again, it
would depend on the situation. So, we could definitely work together and craft language that would be um that would be more uniform um and that that the the artist would agree to up front rather than having to to submit and then come back and negotiate it. >> Okay. Sure. because I you know I don't
>> usually you also are agreeing to donate 25% to the public fund. >> That's the mechanic of um this yeah the form it's a lot of there's a some you can skim over and then there's some that goes into the the nitty-gritty as a starting point for a potential model for
this >> but yeah that's part of it too. It's okay. >> Acquiring the actual signature can be done because like I know Hourglass Brewery or like you have to sign for it for drop off, but sometimes they do have like >> Oh,
>> I just did one. >> But like sometimes like they'll usually have like whether it's whoever takes point on this like there to like collect the signatures. I mean maybe on the online front the nitty-gritty about the 24% and that like that's up front and
then getting the actual signature on that once they drop for delivery. >> Yeah, >> it it does sound like we need to get busy and and give some attention to the chambers because the next this current
exhibit will end in July. >> So, so what's the prospect of of these two other artists if you can remind us? So we we can try to one is the one that has the silk and I like that because they were big, >> right? So you can have and it's
different material. So it's nice to bring different, you know, >> um ideas. Um the other one I don't know before one is Patricia. the other one.
>> I have a question about Jamie's proposal. Can I go back? >> Sure. >> Um, besides the chamber, what other venues do we have available? >> I don't think we have can guarantee. >> Right. So, this would be something that we could add to the rotation, right,
>> of the chambers. Oh, >> and this could also be the mechanics of how we take in submissions, but we really don't have a place to expand to different shows. We can't have the chambers as one thing. That would be >> Yeah.
>> But it might streamline our the chambers. Yeah, that would be good. My my thinking is if we can get another segment of time with one or two of these possibilities, then we could aim to do this one after that
>> and give it a try. >> Yeah. I wasn't expecting this to happen this this meeting to get I wasn't even expecting to be on the agenda this meeting um because I submitted it so last minute. >> How how do people feel about the idea? >> Oh, I think it's a great idea. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Go ahead. >> I think it may, excuse me, I think it may also fall into line with Xander's ideas of getting a registry of potential artists in the future. >> Yes. Yes.
>> I mean, I we would just have to make sure the art okay with that. I know these days people have strong feelings about like is my name Yeah. >> on a list somewhere. So it's like would you like to be like giving the artists the chance to opt out if they like
submit or like I think it would be a good idea that those who have submitted to past calls if we have their information we we send out an invitation like would you like right >> to be included on this registry if they don't >> we don't but if they would then >> they would kind of have I don't want to
say an inner track but they would >> they would kind of it would be nice to know like a lot of cities like in North Carolina set up um calls for like artists to be on public registries for the city so that >> yeah so they can be reached out to >> it's not guaranteeing that they're going
to win a bid but it's like okay an automatic email goes out as soon as a call >> for the city is posted >> and these smaller shows attract people who art is not their life it's a thing and you get all abilities and all interest and sometimes it's just that
one theme spoke to them and they wanted to do something I went to an opening and it was um this uh mother and her two daughters, they just really liked it was a wildlife art show and they did like their own little mini collection and that was it. None of them professed to be regular artists and you know they'll
go to a class when a class is open kind of thing. >> Um and but it will also hopefully I also at the same time you get people like Xavier and like other folks who like art is what they do may not pay the bills all the time but it's what they do and so you see their pieces as well. I'll
write alongside you know my six-year-old's handrawn. And we do have those pieces hanging in the chambers. And the city council did express on Monday night >> that they appreciate the work of the public arts board. >> Yeah.
>> They've said that often every every time we >> they say that. >> Yeah, they say it a lot. >> But they did give us $1,500 discretionary. So >> yes, we should mention that. Uh >> yeah. >> Yeah. There was an item on the agenda
that that we've talked about before to have to to give us the power to have some discretionary spending and they did approve that or up to $1,500 from our own little project.
>> Yeah. And that's for any accessory or additional um uh expenditure to an approved project. It's not to, you know, have a new project done, but it's >> right. >> Yeah.
>> We talk about the merchandise. We talk about postcards. We talk about the um watercolor map. >> Yeah. >> That uh um Carrie Dam them has done for us and that posters done. So now we have
money to be able to >> So this is the artist. Sorry we showing this is the artist that we showed last time. This is one of them >> that has the silk paintings of silk. And I'm trying to
find the second one. If I don't find it here, we can stand Deborah, did you bring these? >> I did. >> I can explain what they are if we're out of time. >> Sure. So if I don't find here we're going to we can send um individually you
know to all the and then we can decide in July and hopefully we'll try to get someone for August. >> In the meantime would it be appropriate for me to put in a more formal proposal for the second thought like structure it or just wait on that for a little bit?
No, it's fine. Okay, if you want to propose the first one is that it's easier, >> right? I know to >> add a add a form on a web page. I I knew that I knew that going in. I just um >> the the concern though is where are we going to have these shows?
>> Well, it would be in the in the thing that should be in the chamber, too. >> Yeah, >> yeah, just in in a rotating fashion. It could be, you know, as consistent as we like or don't like. I like the idea of some kind of consistency because then like again people kind of get used to
it. They can look forward to it. You can promote it through social media and people will gl on to it. >> We do have a a regular time they hang. So we do have a a rotating thing already. >> Okay. Then build it into that structure.
That's I know there's a lot I don't know already about. So I need to start there. >> Supposed to be each quarter. >> Each quarter. Yeah, mostly because we don't have a lot of submissions, >> right? So, we could change that if we got more. >> I mean, it's start start with one maybe
and see what happens and then flush it out more in 27 if it if it works. I mean, even if this is like fourth quarter thing, >> could we start individually just like tapping like local businesses to see if
they would be open to hosting a quarterly event? I'm like thinking of like the townhouse or like the Obito pub like those might be possible venues that would be willing to host without >> Oh, they can already do that privately.
We would not be involved with that, right? Because that's >> Yeah, it's probably best to stay out of >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. But that is why I have to go to other towns to to participate in something like this because as far as I know, there's nothing in Ovito city limits. So I thought maybe
it's not uncommon restaurants they decorate their >> their you know places with >> the gallery right and it's a very smart way to do that. >> It's a way to get you know more people involved
>> um would you be thinking to limit the participants to Florida residents to seminal county residents? I think that's up for discussion. I think it makes sense to
I mean the first one doesn't have to be the thing we do every single time. So we could limit it to the county or even the city if people but probably county a county net is makes more sense or possibly tri county but I don't know enough. I'd have to I could reach out to
the person I know at Deviant Wolf who organizes this and see if he'll mentor me on some of this, but I um I just don't know what the social media reach is because my thinking on it is that's how most people will find out about it in the first
place, right? Is announcements and posts and and things like that. And then it catches who it catches. And if they're they're willing to come up from Miami date or down from Maryland to for a three months one piece in a three-month show, then sure, why not? But it would be
>> from from Winter Parkland. >> Yeah. >> Another county, right? This is to the region >> and it would be to a theme and we could choose those themes to be central Florida Obito appropriate, historically appropriate. You know, it doesn't have to be far a field. And that will also I
think in its own way be a natural filter for some people. >> Can I give a piece of advice please? >> Sure. >> The purpose of this board is to act in an advisory capacity for the city. >> Sure. >> That's its purpose above all else.
While all of these things are wonderful ideas and we do some of them in the county, I would caution the board to be careful and and I think in so far as what I've heard is the recommendation for expanding the art in the chambers
that is within the purview of this board. Um be careful about diluting yourself beyond your advisory capacity because that while it would be great for a volunteer group or an art novidto
group. That would be perfect for their purview. That's not what the purpose of this group is. Understood. Speaking speaking as someone who is chair of other groups related to arts and culture who started out in an advisory capacity and then started to mutate
to go beyond advocacy. It's going to make life a lot more difficult going forward because once you open that genie up, it's very hard to get back in place. Just for what it's worth, that someone who's been down. >> Can you give an example?
>> Seinal County Historical Commission of which I am chair is the advisory panel for seminal county historical matters. as this board is for the for the city on our matters, we are to the county when it comes to advisory capacity for county historical matters. There has been over
the years a lot of um let's do these historical activities, let's do these volunteer things, let's do advocacy. All of those things are well and good for a nonprofit or a volunteer group. they go
beyond the scope of the advisory board. When the advisory board starts to do things under the guise of the advisory board that now goes towards advocacy or um outreach things like that, it started to
muddy the waters on what the purpose of that board was as compared with a counterpart like a society or a volunteer group, things like that. And it's caused a lot of difficulty because the focus became lost for a very long
time that the primary goal is to advise the in in our case for the county historical commission, the board of county commissioners on historical matters. Does that make sense? >> Good point. >> Like I said, it's it's all it's all terrific and we all want to work towards
the betterment, but the question is, is it the right venue? Yes, because once that once that box was out there, we we've had terrible difficulty getting, >> right? So, in that other example, you have to let
the county commission drive the bus. >> Well, you always want to make sure that whatever project you're putting forward, does it answer the call of the purpose of the board, which is advisory in nature. So, we can't plan a fundraising event.
>> That as I've understood it would be beyond the scope of this board. >> I mean, I was just wondering for for the historical commission that is a question we dealt with on a very complicated basis and it gave a lot of
staff members a lot of gray hair. Mhm. >> But there are many there are many um partner organizations within the county make those connections. That's one of the reasons why I love to sit on this board. It lets you guys know what's going on in other places in the county
so that while it may be not a good fit for this board, maybe there are other uh groups that many of the same faces are involved but it's under a different. So I don't know there's a fundraising I would catch on but >> yeah um I just double checked but just
to be sure it is >> um the the preview of the board as you mentioned the purpose is just making recommendations to the city council about works of art for display at city facilities but it's also it does state regarding programs and facilities which
further promote development of the arts within the city as well as enhance the future vision of the city as it relates to art. Um, so there is some some ambiguity there that there could be some potential for programs and facilities that further um promote the development
of the arts. Uh, but if if you were going to establish a new program or a new activity, um, it would of course need to go be approved by the city council first, which I don't think was ever not on the table. >> So there is there is that that scope
arguably in there. Um but I do think that the point regarding ensuring that you are remaining within that skill and not um interpreting it in a in a vague way that that creates more work than necessary I think is a is a
>> so when we did the art in the chambers we came up with the idea as a panel did we bring it then to the council and say this is our idea do you approve >> so we initiated the idea we asked them they said oh yeah we like that idea >> established the program Okay.
>> And are >> I just remember that part. >> Did getting back to that point, did you find that other >> um Well, personally, I'm concerned that it's now June and this other
show is scheduled to end in July. We've had our hands full with these other things, the sculpture and the mural. Um, should we try to take action today to help set things up for August?
>> Well, I love the Stoke painting. So, I mean, she could be next >> if we can contact >> if we can read. >> Can I Can I hear a motion on that? >> You're the press. >> I'll entertain a motion. >> I'll second.
>> Do you want to make a motion? >> Oh, you can't make Okay. Well, then I motion that we contact Patricia. What's her last name? >> Hope. >> Hope to be our next exhibitor. Exhibitor.
>> Second, >> Jamie. That was you. >> Yes. Thank you. >> All right. We have a motion in a second to contact uh Miss Pope um to take the next art in the chambers exhibit.
Uh is there a discussion of that? I think we discussed it last time and we all thought that that was where we were going to move and you we just can't find them. >> Last time we showed two there was no >> consensus on them. Okay. Well, let's pursue her. >> I feel like it was we we all liked all
both of them. We didn't feel strongly one way or the other. >> Can't remember the other one. >> Yeah. Oh, it has a lesson. >> All right. Any other discussion? >> Dr. Bower had >> Yes. >> Well, but you know motion.
>> Yeah. >> Oh, sorry. >> Any other discussion? >> No. >> All right. All in favor uh say I >> say no. >> All right. Motion passes. We will pursue
that for the next exhibit period and then after that we can look at this other idea. >> Okay. I would want to throw out the the the option one the individual artist portal and I know you know this. I'm just going to say it out loud for
posterity to include a social media advertisement or announcement that it exists now to kind of draw eyes to it once it's built. This is where an individual artist requests to share their collection in the chambers the under the current system that exists now
and that could be on our Facebook. >> Right. >> Does a motion need to be made that that page be created? >> I think she was gonna >> Are there any other discussion items? >> I have one. Yes. Um, I would like to
make the board aware of and invite you to uh the county fine art exhibit. The annual fine art exhibit will be opening on July 11th at the Museum of Seminal County History. It's at the Five Points Complex on 1792. The exhibit uh will run from July 11th
to August 1st. And the reception is Thursday, July 23rd from 5:30 to 7:30. You are free. Please come as our guest. Uh the call for artists is still open as well. It is fine art and the um call will be open through next Friday, June
26. >> So gather to celebrate. The focus of it is on celebrations personal and public. Um everything from how we celebrate and commemorate from birthdays and anniversaries, weddings to
things like parades and and memorials. of them. I have to hold. >> How many pieces do you expect to >> uh we usually showcase 10 artists and they usually will show anywhere from six to 10 pieces depending on the size. >> Wow.
>> Yeah. >> They if you go on our website all of the specifications are there. >> Um would love to see some OTO art presented. >> Thank you very much and thanks for joining. >> And what time is that reception? 5:30
7:30. >> Well, thank you. >> I'll send you the flyer now. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Um, we probably should look at future meeting dates. >> Can we do one more discussion item? >> Sure. What do we have an update on the
wings of joy? >> The wings of joy, it's coming now in July. Okay. >> It was supposed to be in the beginning of July and now it's delayed a bit a little bit, but it's going to be July and we are working with
the company for the installation. >> Okay. >> I have one more to go. >> I just wanted to invite you I have a solo show up at Mills where some of you all came uh last fall and then next week Wednesday at 6:30 I have an an artist
talk for it. So >> at the gallery >> at the same gallery. So you're curious if if you've been holding a question >> 22nd >> 24th at 6:30. >> Oh sorry you're really excited about July.
>> But yeah I just wanted to I'll send Dalia um I'll send you a fly about that one. Xander, I'm sorry. I'm out of town. >> No worries, Donna. Me, >> too. Is there a way I can get that fire?
>> Yeah. Yeah, sure. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Any other discussion items? >> Is it this one you're talking about? >> I'll send it to you. >> All right. Let's review the future meeting meeting dates. Our next scheduled dates are Wednesday, July 15th
and Wednesday, August 19th. Uh just to uh be curious, um how many people are expected to be able to attend on July 15? >> I I cannot. Something's bringing an
alarm bell. Let me check my calendar real quick. >> Okay. I'm going to be out of town. >> July 15th. So I >> I should be here. >> Okay. It sounds like we might have >> Yeah, I'll just
>> I will be here. >> All right, that will take care of it. Thank you everyone. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Bye y'all. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Oh, is that Fred?
>> That's Fred. >> Oh, Fred was kidnapped at one point. >> Oh, yeah. It was on the news. Scandal. Oh, yeah. >> What is this? >> Fred the rooster. He got kidnapped from by um Emma's store or somewhere
thereabouts and then Yeah.