Will you be going to that meeting? It was cold. I went to school. Yes. Which is what I am here. Thank you. You have a reinvigorated. We have a corn. Microphone speak. Thank you. Okay,
welcome back. Thank you. I just got back from vacation yesterday, so everybody uh good luck. All right, we're going to uh Good evening. It is 5:34 and I'm calling the meeting to order. Uh
remind you reminding you to please silence your cell phone and speak clearly into the microphone because the meeting is being recorded. So, first order of business is approving the minutes from Wednesday,
April 16. All right. Do we have a motion to approve? I motion to approve. Second. All right. All in favor? I. Okay. Any opposed? All right. Minutes are approved
from April 16th. Uh, next up is the uh public comments. Time for anyone with the public to come forward. I don't see anybody. So, we will continue
um without citizen comment only because we don't have any citizens with us. All right. Staff reports. So, good evening. Um we have here um four items tonight to discuss.
So, the first one is the Jolie project. So, I invited Carrie Dem again to come and um um show the the watercolor and talk about the changes that she made. Okay. Thank you. So, I went ahead and
brought my laptop so that I could show kind of where we were and the evolution and I met with Teresa and Deborah and we discussed some of the changes that possibly I could make to the face. It was stated that there was a little
concern that it didn't look enough like him. Um, so I did make those changes. I feel like it headed in a good direction, but I was thinking if everyone didn't mind coming up, I could kind of just show We can project over there, right? Oh, we can. Oh, okay.
Yeah. Yeah, that is fancy. Can I plug it into my laptop, do you think? Sure. Let's see. I don't know if I need an adapter right here. HDMI. No, no, that this is fine. Thank you though. Okay. And by the way, this is Patrick
Kelly, our assistant city manager. He's going to do a presentation on the second item. Oh, okay. Hi, Patrick. For those who don't even do not know him. Okay. So, while that's warming up, I'll just kind of chat about um so the Oh, good.
Okay. So, you can see the photo on the left is the one that I was initially working from in terms of for Joe. We'll just call him Joe for purposes tonight. He it was it was the photo that I selected from the book and scanned from
the book. And then you can see it on the right with how I had painted him. I think the photo um wasn't a great reference photo to begin with because he's looking down and that made it super challenging and I felt like when I painted his eyes
completely with no eyeballs and maybe looked more like the photo, but it almost looked like he was dead or asleep. It like did not it did not bode well. So then I kind of opened his eyes a little or added a little bit of a pupil and iris, but then it kind of
changed the look I feel and it didn't look quite like him. So I do agree with the board that um some changes were in order. So when I met with Teresa and Deborah, they um you know gave me a different reference photo and made some
suggestions. So, I went ahead and I know this looks a little funny, not trying to be uh disrespectful to Jolie, but I what I did was I went ahead and um used this this image of him and kind of just pasted it over my reference photo, if
you can see. So, it worked out well um in terms of like the positioning of his face was very similar. He has kind of very hooded eyes almost that are um you know, almost slanted downward. So, one of the things we talked about, I'll put
up the other one. One of the things we talked about was making his eyes kind of a little bit more slanted. His mustache kind of curving up more. The mustache that I have in the initial painting was kind of
a little thicker maybe than it should have been and also kind of turned downward. And then this reference photo shows him looking up at the viewer with a little bit of a thinner mustache. And um you know, you can't see his upper lip, but you can see some teeth. So, I
worked from this reference photo instead, and I think that it worked out a bit better and it's more of a Jolie likeness. So, if you want to come up, I'll go ahead and put it up on the uh eel and whoever wants to can come and just kind of take a look at. Okay.
Patrick, do you want to I could put I also did scan it, so I guess I could put that up on the screen as well if that's helpful. That's also good. Let me see. Um, yeah.
Ah, okay. So again, um you know, watercolors can be challenging to edit because it's not like oils or acrylic where you can just paint right over. It's a transparent medium. So there's challenges there, but um hopefully you
can see it kind of side by side. Let me know. And I have thick skin, so I welcome welcome thoughts and feedback. I I don't know that I can modify it again without the paper really breaking down
because again with watercolors it's really tough. It's it's you have to kind of start over and scrub the paper and it starts to degrade. The paper starts to kind of break down. But um I feel like it looks more like
him. But I want to hear what you guys think. I do prefer this version. Mhm. Okay. I think his arms look a little more natural than one of the versions we saw before. Okay. I did modify the arm, so
that's good that you said that. I did get that feedback from somebody else that this right arm looked a little smaller. I don't think it shows up in this one. It's kind of stretching out in that reference uh photo there.
the perspective. Yeah, it's a tough angle because it's a little forcehortened, but um I did thicken up the right arm a bit, made it a little thicker and made the bend in the arm a little more natural looking hopefully.
Mhm. So that so good uh good eye there. I did adjust his arm a bit. has a very unique face. It was definitely very challenging in this project. But is Councilman Britain
coming? I'd like I just Oh, we're not sure. So, we invited him. Okay. But um um um I think Patrick on his way. Okay. Um I do like this version um a lot better, I think, especially because he's
smiling. And granted, he's older. Yeah. and his eyes are well we that's just what happens with a your lids get um heavier. Um and I think um I do um feel that it's still somewhat darker um his
skin tone. Um that that's my only um opinion. Um, but I think it's it's it's much better um as far as like someone looking at it and receiving him and instead of you know him looking down
and he's working cuz it's it was hard it was hard to kind of figure that out too with the previous one. So yeah. Okay. The
um skin tone was a challenge because I had to really modify the eyes and the cheek and the nose structure. So I had to kind of build it up with a little bit of gouache. Um so that kind of makes it a
little more muted. You see the earlier version is a little more vibrant, but that is just kind of I I I um short of making it more yellow. I'm
not sure that I could really rectify that. And council member Britain came. So if you Hi. Okay. Yes. So this was the um initial
watercolor that I put forth after the drawing and I met with Teresa and Deborah as you know and they gave me some feedback that he looked you know not quite like himself which I can understand that and I explained to the
board that in the reference photo that I chose I chose it because he was sitting at a desk drawing and he was already in the position that I wanted to show him working, but he was looking down and so his eyes were essentially closed. And what I shared with the board was that it
made him look kind of asleep and really wasn't ended up a very good reference photo. It's very fuzzy, hard to see, and his eyes were closed. So, I kind of tried to make his eyes look a little bit more opened in the drawing, in the painting, but as you can see, that kind
of caused his eyes, I think, to look a little bigger and a little like not like him. So, um, with that in mind, kind of went back to the drawing board and reworked his eyes and decided to use a different reference photo that Teresa
had. And we used this reference photo of him. Yeah. And I think it kind of looks more like what we normally would see Joe as cuz he's older. Um, and so I reworked. This is a closeup so that you
can see it of kind of Let's see if I can enlarge this so you could see it better. So this is what I worked from that reference photo. There were some challenges with the skin because again it's watercolor. So you see the initial version, it's more fresh. It's more um
kind of a vibrant skin tone, but having to go over it and rework it causes some challenges with watercolors. So, there was, you know, the skin tone maybe isn't as bright, if you will, or as warm, but I think the structure is there. The
facial structures there. I think the mouth looks a lot more like his, and the mustache is turned up and kind of shows his longer nose. And so I'm hopeful that the board is um sees it kind of as looking more like
him. And we were just at the stage of getting their thoughts when you walked in. Comments. Yes. And the original is over there. Yeah. You know, it's a it's a watercolor so it doesn't have to be photo quality. So I think it's a pretty good representation.
Okay. Good. Glad to hear it. Yeah, I do too. now. And I I now is the I think the board had some the rendering I saw had the the background of one of the holes on the golf course. It's over there. Council member Bron, the original is over there for you to see. I just
brought up a crop because I wanted to rescan him so that I could give a digital version to the um to Teresa to use for whatever the plaque or whatnot. So, I just needed to rescan his face and I'll merge it with the rest of it in Photoshop.
Yeah. I think that that's good. Put that there. Good. Okay. I unless anyone else thinks otherwise. Oh, I think it's great. Okay. Yeah. Oh, I already said something before you.
She felt that the skin was still maybe a little darker than his skin tone. Darker, but we're in Florida. You got a tan. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think the arms look very tan. I think the arms look very much of the right
color for the tan, right? Um, yeah, he's more reddish, right, with the with the tan. And there were definitely photos that he looked more redish because he's outside a lot. So, we'll just we'll have to go with that, I guess. Okay. Well,
thank you guys. And I apologize for the um the uh hiccup there, but I'm glad that you guys gave me a chance to amend it and I'm happier with it. I think it looks a lot more like him. So, uh hopefully his um fans and people will
enjoy it. Do we need a motion to approve? Do I don't think so. Do we? It's already So, it's not take this is not going to council for approval because it was already approved. You
know, the the agreement is already approved. So this was just accepting. I don't think we need to have I mean Yes. Thank you for your good work. Oh, thank you. Thank you Karen. So are you going to send me anything digitally? Do
I need to have anything digitally to so that I can send to the plaque? Yes. And I have scanned this version. So what I'll do is merge it with the rest of the background and then I'll send you a high resolution PDF and that way you can use it.
as well. What do how do you suggest the frame? Do you have any ideas for the frame? Should we have a um a frame around the Um I always am a fan of matting. Matting. Okay. Um this is a 16x 20 in photo. So I think once you matt
it, if you could have at least 2 in of mat on either side, we'd end up with like a 20x 24 in frame. I think that would be nice. Um, we can look at there's a lot of browns in there from I think you know we can look at it if
you'd like me to well see where it's going to go to see what kind of frame but I think it's not going to be anything modern. It's going to be more of a simple Yeah. a simple, you know. Mhm. I think the the pictures themselves always
kind of to me tell you the story of what the frame should look like. I like m white mattes because I feel like mattes come and go in fashion, you know, in terms of like colored versus just a simplicity. So, I like to keep a classic white mat and then pull some of the
colors out of the painting. Um, you know, I always bring the painting to the frame shop and then kind of lay it in the frame, if you will. Yeah, we will do that. Make sure to to to match. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Let me know if you want me to come along when you do that. Okay.
Very good. Thank you all. I appreciate it. Thank you. Don't forget to unplug drag it with you. I'm glad that they have it. Yeah. Thank you. Going to reach past you.
So our four years. It's fabulous. Have a good one. So I'll leave this with you. Ready? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Our sec second item is an idea that came
up um from council. So um Patrick Kelly is going to um share his presentation and and share the idea with you all. There we go.
Got to clean up that desktop, sir. It is clean. Oh. Uh good evening board members. Uh thank you for your time this evening. Again, my name is Patrick Kelly. I'm the assistant city manager here in Ovido. And uh first off, I'd like to give you a
little bit of background on uh what's called the Ovito Arts and Entertainment District. Um it was brought to the city's attention by uh local establishment owners in Obito in the park. And it is a um a proposal uh right
now that is working its way through the legislative process in Tallahassee as well as uh the process here in the city of Oto. It accomplishes two things. One, the process in Tallahassee uh the bill uh allows establishments within a
specified area in Obito on the park to sell alcoholic beverages for consumption off premise. Um, normally a establishment such as Marlo's or the food factory or Tableau
uh that is in Obito in the park, they're allowed to sell alcoholic beverages uh while they are um um you know open for business between uh allowable hours and um they are only allowed to sell uh
alcoholic beverages on premise for on- premise consumptions whereas a legacy liquor or something like that can only sell alcoholic beverages uh for uh consumption off- premises. They cannot sell uh alcoholic beverages for uh consumption. Um they can't sell open
containers. Uh so what the bill in Tallahassee does is allows it's uh allows those establishments to sell for consumption off premise. And how that affects us here in the city is we now have to amend the code of ordinances to
allow it in city right away as well as city uh parks. And so um in the bill it specifies that the city council shall uh specify a cup uh design and color and
size. So on April 27th, I presented several options and a draft ordinance to the city council with uh a um with a logo. And of course, myself not being an artist. Uh and also having somewhat
thick skin like Karen, um I would like to, you know, I I I brought them a draft logo with the ordinance so they would have something to talk about and something to recommend. Um the council wisely uh did not accept the logo I
proposed which we will get to um in a moment. So the purpose of the district is to allow uh equitable community participation in the local economy. I know that sounds great, but uh what it means is brass tax
is uh we have a lot of uh festivals and we bring a lot of people into the park and during these festivals there's often alcohol sold uh in the park. So it often leaves these businesses that are on the
edge from the outside looking in so to speak. And so what we're trying to allow as uh they've requested is to them to participate in some form or fashion when we do have these festivals so that patrons can go from the establishments
into the city festivals. This is a map that city council directed us to follow for the district. So you'll notice it's uh Centerlike Park there in the middle with uh Oido on the park uh development
around it as well as the what's called the West of Eden property which is the Tijana Flats and the Gators Dock side right next to it because it is within walking distance at the Tijana Flats. Sorry, Big Taco is coming in there and TV. That's right.
Yeah, sorry. Same people, excuse me. A little slip there. Um so uh the Oklahoma this is the uh requirement in both uh the draft ordinance and the uh bill that is working its way through. It was passed uh by both the house and the senate and
is waiting for uh signature by the governor. So um the last sentence I'll call your attention to their establishments uh may also display their their establishments logo but it also calls for
um our logo and what I have proposed is this is a mockup of the the logo that I created which was very simple and I understand uh it it got it got conversation going and it brought me to
this board this evening. And um what we're asking for is to place a logo such as this on a uh what's called a stadium cup, which is a uh a thicker plastic cup than say a reus a disposable plastic
solo cup. And the purpose of of using the stadium cup is for reuse. We don't want to we don't want to give a a plastic cup that somebody's just going to throw away. We'd like to require them to use something that is more likely to s they're more likely like likely to
take home and save. And really I got the idea for that from a budget tree at all our festivals because I have a mountain of their reusable cups in my house that my children drink out of. So that was uh the thought there. And so tonight board,
what we're asking is um your your consensus to do a call to artist for a professional freelance designer to create a visually appealing logo that we can place on the cup. And then um also some recommendations on project details
and design design style, that kind of thing. and as well as um to come back here at a later date uh after we receive draft logos uh have your um recommendation to take the city council for approval and that's uh what we're seeking this evening. So I again thank
you for your time and I'm here for any questions. Did the um is it time to ask questions? Is that okay? Yeah. Okay. Did the council come up with um ideas for logo or what they kind of want to see or they're kind of leaving that to us? Uh, I think they wanted to leave it to uh
the experts. Okay. Is this logo being used for anything besides the cup? It would be just for the Ovito Arts and Entertainment District that would be placed on that cup. Yes. Okay. Awesome. Um, and that the print is it full color or is it black and white?
Um what uh the intention is at this point is to provide a digital copy uh the cup specification and digital copy to the establishment that wish to participate so that they can um when they go to uh whatever vendor they
choose to purchase the cup. Um so something that translates both in color and grayscale is probably best. Yes. Okay, cool. Anybody else have questions? So, the use of an official
cup, does that is it to promote the district or is it for legal purposes that if you're drinking alcohol, it has to be from the official cup. The the answer to that question would be yes. But however, I will say this. Um,
yes, according to the the uh the ordinance we've drafted, uh, one, yes, it is to promote the district and again, like I pointed out, to allow the the establishments to have their logo on the cup as well. And it's also to be identifiable to our law enforcement
folks and whomever is is uh in the area just so that they are aware that if they see that cup, they know that an individual is consuming an alcoholic beverage. as opposed to like an open can of beer or correct. And and one thing the ordinance does, sir, is um it does
prohibit drinking out of glass bottles and cans and anything else in uh in the district unless it is sold by the city or a vendor in a festival or as part of a uh a sidewalk cafe, which um theoretically with with tables in
public rideway, one could consume out of glass there. it. So, it does exempt those folks that are se seated at a restaurant. I I you just said something that um it allows the vendors or businesses um in that district um to also include their
logo on the cup. They have the option. Yes, they have the option. So when it comes to the um production of the cup um for cost efficiency both so I presume the businesses would say they want so many
um cups with their logos on it printed and who's responsible or are you distributing them the cups and they have to get their logo printed on the cup? It it at this time the way the ordinance is written it is the establishment's
responsibility to purchase the cup. We are going to reg there's a registration process that will be determined u by city staff if the ordinance is adopted and um we will give provide for them the requirements of the cup the sizing and
the material and as well as the digital art that they need to upload to their either for instance for imprint or vista print or who whoever that can provide a logo cup okay so I'm just clarifying this so they're responsible for
including the district's logo, the official logo. They're given blank cups, so many that they wish to have. No, they they purchased the cups on they purchased the cups. Okay. The plain the city is just providing the specification, right? I'm just making
sure I'm understanding. And it whatever color the cup ends up being and and so another factor um because I've seen this as well. Um I don't know if anybody's gone to St. Augustine the Amplitheater um they are for they have a lot of
performances and they have the official cup. A lot of venues do that and I see a lot of people who purchase them and the idea is that they bring it back and then they get a discount on their beverages when they come back for an event. But I
also see people who just buy them and then they just leave them and or they go in the regular trash, not in the recycle per se. So, um, is there going to be something that the city is also going to consider, you know, as far as like the
recycling factor, um, what the the cup is going to be made out of and, um, you know, that it is recyclable, but the encouragement that if someone it's if it's not reusable, I know you use um, budget trees at your family and that's
that's wonderful and we reuse, you know, a lot of those types of cups, but I'm just saying I've seen at like I'm like, "Oh dear." You know, the whole purpose of this cup at certain events, especially festivals where, you know, people kind of get inebriated and they
might be like la da la dah and kind of forget that um purpose. But I'm just saying that kind of defeats what your goal was besides like pro promoting the district and using this this this object to promote the district and kind of
bring everybody the businesses together and you know but I'm just I'm I'm bringing this up as a form of discussion and there's no way to 100% control what what individuals do in this situation.
Um, we I feel that we're doing as best we can to to if you know if we required your your standard plastic cup that you get from say a ball game or something like that, I'd feel like people were more likely to throw it away that I would
hope that they would be less likely to throw away something of quality that they can reuse. Um, so um I understand your your your concern. I have a request about um the materials. So even if the businesses are going to
be able to order their own according to certain specs, it would be nice to have a requirement about um like recyclable. I think that was one of the things that said before, right?
that I'm sorry I couldn't anything that requires that like a certain percentage of the material be recyclable like just so that we're not generating like brand new products from brand new materials. It would just be nice to have a
sustainability cons consideration in there. I I think that's a very good suggestion. Um we can certainly look at that. My my concern would be I don't want to make a business that is already spending money
and already it it you know feels like that the city's sort of leaving them behind by having all these people come here and and they can't participate and um dictating because they may have to change vendors. I I my concern would be that if they have a vendor that's
working with it that say does not provide that it may cause them a little hardship but it's certainly something that we could work with them in the registration process to um to suggest to them. Yeah, I would because I I think going
with the fact that you can't guarantee what the life cycle of these cups is going to be just so that we don't get into a situation where we are creating an opportunity for more waste, more material usage than
there needs to be. So like if you could say you know minimum x% of that that's I just wrote a note that said consider adding recyclable percentage in cup specification. Can you think of both having one that is disposable but it's
recyclable or go into the recycling which is cheaper and a more expensive one that people can keep. Is that a possibility? cuz that I mean if I want to pay nothing for the cup or very cheap for the cup and that is a cup that is
you know it's paper and I can be you know used again that's one thing and then if I want to spend the money to have the good quality one it's more expensive and then that's you know that may be a because I I like the idea of including sustainability also there
right or concerned with sustainability so I don't know if that's possible it could be promoted as a souvenir cup. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's an excellent word. Souvenir cup. Yes. Mhm. Do you have a desired time frame
as far as um to get to to get to a final design? I Well, it's still dependent on the statues, right? on on the on the law it being well the law has been passed uh near unanimous uh I think unanimous by
um there may have been one vote against it in both houses so it's going to the governor it will happen as far as the ordinance goes I've seen cities that have done this you might have um been to Mount Dora has done it to uh over on the
west coast Crystal River um okay so yeah these these are springing up all over the place and I've seen um the laws get passed and then the the city not implement their part of the the regulations for up upwards of a year
after the law passes. So um obviously we'd like to to move forward as quickly as we can but we don't want to you know um trip over our feet in that process. Absolutely. Um so as but as far as the time it takes for a logo I would I would certainly lean on your expertise board
for for how long that would take. So logo design doesn't usually take that long. It's revisions that take a while. Um especially coming to a board, right? Because we meet once a month. Um and then we would get revisions, they would do them, it would come back, it take another month to look at it. Um so but
logo design in itself is um a pretty short process I could say. So, I know it said you want recommendations on like cost um so that a um so it can be an arts request, right?
I don't know if anyone else had a number in their head or if the the board had uh the council had even thought of a number, but I mean $500 is like very generous for logo. I I was going to say when I deal with logos it's
it's usually like about $3,000. So really yeah in advertising. So having a So I'm I'm just saying um but um that's that's big time commercial
business. Yeah. So I mean these are big these are big clients but um yeah when I've done it it's been smaller one logo which is kind of I don't know. I guess it it depends what we're looking it's it's but this is another thing I was wondering um what also happens is um
people the cup will be around for a while which is good they get tired of it I mean that's that's what people do and you have to change it up like a different look to it in some essence you know I mean just like festivals have new
logos or whatever but I'm kind of giving you a heads up like someone might be like oh I already have one I we have a whole bunch at home or something. But just to keep that in mind, maybe, you know, a few years in the future that you might have to update it in some um way
or or whatever. So, but um if you're, you know, and I presume you want a local artist here in the Ovido area or that would most certainly be preferable. Okay. But I I I
I would not want to turn a a talented person that has a passion for Ovido that maybe doesn't live here away. Right. Right. So I was just um verifying that and we can do or the board can suggest in basically two ways either call to artists. Right. So ask for the community
to propose and give a budget and give the specifications what it is you know some some time of of um instructions what you're trying to it should be a happy place right so what is the idea is this vibrant right is to is to kind of
communicate vibrancy in designed as the community gathering place community place so we can you know describe something what what we are trying to achieve If it's either call to artist or commissioning to someone right if there
is any and then again commissioning and then you we would have to negotiate price or establish a price but remember everything we have to take to council even the idea and that's why you know Patrick when he heard that we had this
meeting today he said well let's try to jump because there is a process right well they they already like the idea from your session Right. The board members or I mean the overall idea they did not like the logo but they like the name. Right. I know. Don't take it so
personally. I'm just kidding. It did what it intended to do uh and that was generate conversation. Right. So I I one question which which budget does this come out of? Ours. Oh it does ours. Ours budget. So back to
the 500. So, and and and by the way, we Oh, I'll show you after. I was just showing Teresa amazing how amazing AI is. You can write you a call to artist. Oh, I was just
playing around with it. Oh, it's AI. Oh, I thought it was a It'll write you a call for logo design and and we can establish 500 whatever the board. I do logos all the time with AI just like goofing off and stuff even t-shirts
designs and it it is it's scary it good how well it can be done. Sorry. Did you do yours through AI? No. No. Okay. I haven't tried that yet. I just tried writing things like the call the artist. But that would be fun to see what all
you get. I think it's good to use as inspiration, but like using it as a final like final product, it's uh very controversial in the art world. Um so cuz it it uses a lot of stolen and there's questions about intellectual
property. Exactly. Yeah. But I think most artists would agree that it's a great like sounding point when you're like, you know, you're in a rut and you need an idea. You throw some ideas and you're like, "Oh, this is a good starting point." And then you go off and do your own thing. So, but um I know we need some project details. So,
off the bat, it's needs to be a vector image. So, they can submit an SVG format or an Illustrator format, but that will be the most compatible with printing it with mass producing it. So,
SVG is the most common. I don't. So, Patrick, can I ask about required text as part of the logo? Does it Do we want wanted to say Oto Arts and Entertainment District? That would be preferable. Yes, sir. Okay. Well, I'm
sorry. I did not hear you. Yeah. So, I'm asking about required text to include as part of the logo. Okay. Should it have to say Oto Arts and Entertainment District? That is the Yes. Okay. That would be preferable. Do do including the
word district or just Ovito Arts and Entertainment. Do you want to work the 100 into it at all? I would hope. Although um we have had the recommendation that we may need to be changed, but I would prefer not to
work the 100 in into it at this time just because before we know it, we'll be at 102 and it's extra stuff. It's and it's extra stuff. Yeah. And so it also has to be uh we don't know if we can have color printing or not. So it has to work in
just black ink. Yeah. Or some Oh, really? some color. Can't we specify that that it has to be color? You could, but then you're you're um requiring that all these businesses are printing in full color, which costs a lot more. So if they're trying to like stay within
budget when they're printing their cups, is it I don't know how many I could be single color. So it's single color. It's not black and white necessarily. It can be single color, one color. So it could be dark red ink or something. Right. So the designer would
still design it in black because that's how you would upload it and then the one color the um whoever is printing it like I don't know if their colors are green and white they could print it in green, right? So Oh, so different businesses could print different colors. That could
be something that could be something that um the council like determines. They're like it has to be printed in black or it has to be printed in red or whatever. But if you have a vector image that is in black, they can. So vectors are not drawings. They're it's like line
calculations. So it means that you could scale a picture that was this big to the size of the entire planet and you would not lose any resolution. So um which means you just change the color like you just change the hue. So
but we we want to see whatever color they propose to right if there is a color being proposed. So I think we're we're determining do we want like if it's we wouldn't ask someone to provide one color. We would either do it in just black or in full color.
Isn't weren't Weren't you talking about I just I I I think those businesses you have to make it as easy as possible and affordable for them. Right. Number one,
if you want them to to buy the cups, right? Agreed. Yes. So it has to be as costefficient as possible. So, you do have the two variations and um just like Jillian said and you just have to decide
what the preference is on the solid color. I know, but it's it's it's a solid color, right? It's if it's one color, it's you know, exact color. I mean, you could I think what would be nice is if the artist made a full color image that also looks good as a solid
color. Does that make sense? So, like, but if you're not going to use the the So, look at the ovito the the emblem behind the the No, but I mean if they're not going to use the full color, that would that would be up to the business, right? Because it costs more, right? It will
cost more for the artist to do a full color, right? Okay, that's the highest. But for them to just go and make it into um it just will cost more because they have to take all that into consideration
when they do that. But um but for them to make it into a one color is like the the least expensive. But the most expensive will be the full color. That's just how it is with production. Patrick,
is the city also using that in their events? That that it did get the uh the wheels turning and and I think that may if if not intended to be used that way, it may give us the opportunity to use it. um
for other things uh at later dates as as uh things evolve, use evolves, festivals evolve, more more activity comes into the park, could be other things that that we could use it for. So, would it would it be uh normal to say here's the
color family or here's the colors that you could select. So, like I'm thinking, you know, what if somebody goes off and does like neon pink? Do we want do we want this to be something that anybody could reproduce in any color that they
that match their logos, right? Because then you have different business with different logos. I mean, I think that's fine. I mean, what I I'm thinking of like any lo like think of a Nike logo, right? Like if someone if it weren't in intellectual property and you wanted to
print it on a cup and I wanted to print my businesses in pink and you wanted to print yours in blue like people could collect all the different colors. Yeah, I'm all for more color but Mhm. Do we need to specify a minimum and
maximum size? So it's a if it's a vector, you don't need size, you need proportions. So from what I saw that was portrait or was that a square? The the one that I used was a square. So the
outline the size of the cup again. Um it's a 16 cup. So Julian, the cup that's in front of you, how many ounces? It's a little bigger. So six is it? How much coffee is in this? That would be a venti. The top of it where that line is. This is a venti. What's in a venti?
That's 20 ounces. Oh, it's a lot of coffee. Um so this line you mean? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So, but honestly, if we say a square or portrait um logo, we don't want landscape cuz landscape will get
small cuz you want to be able to see it while you're looking at it. But square or portrait would look good or fitting in that, you know, like if they want to do a circle, that's fine. Yeah. Like you have that. Yeah. I agree with Keith on the timeline that
we're looking at and that just getting a draft done and then everybody chimes in with the draft and but to expedite it as soon as as you want the RFP just to you know the draft like we've done here
today right you guys I I I just want to make sure so what are you so let's start how are you inclined call to artist or a commission. I think a call to artist is good for local artists, but they have to like we we're not going to ask them to
show us their design because that's doing the work. You know, we'd ask them to see some examples of other logos they've made. Well, in the past, we have asked for the for the for the design and then it's a competition and then you choose the design without knowing who
that is. That's how we we we chose all the murals, right? But a mural, it's the same thing. You're not done, you know, once you Well, it's the design is done, right? But then you still have to go paint it. Well, in this one, you have to
do nothing. We did the work. I mean, you might have to tweak it. There would be criteria that we couldn't use or produce it unless we had an agreement with that. But that's how we have done that. If if someone comes up with a great logo, do
we care that they've done other ones or not? I guess not if I can make a I mean it's a relatively small project so I think if we go just with the one thing that we're looking for that will make our job
easier. Okay. You had an idea Juliana. I was you could always ask for the designs and then worry about the putting it into the right format later. Right. I mean you're just you're just picking the design that you want in the cup. You don't Yeah. And I like the call to
artists for the like community engagement. I think it's more it involves more people potentially gives more opportunity than if we were to commission. You've got a large university down the street with a lot of art students.
Exactly. And another factor is kind of making a social media event out of it like you know you know someone doing a here you know we're looking for a logo for this you know this cup and we're you know and then panning out and there's
like the the district the new you know but kind of like you know videos or just you know social media stuff um that'll just kind of generate more awareness and excitement about it. I think that's a that would be a really good idea because
then you can get all different types of you know participation or interest most importantly about what you're trying to do Patrick so I think it's a great idea so contour artist it is how much second
question you said this was coming out out of our budget our budget five or three I said 500 Okay. She said 3,000. But what I'm thinking is, Lisa, is that the ones you've worked for for big companies, right? They have those
are like small, but they have like marketing teams that are looking like that's like Yeah. And we also want to make it worth somebody's wild to to to go for,000. That's my opinion. Instead of
Yeah, that was that's just my But it all depends upon our budget. you know, $1,000 would draw some interest, I think. But that's that's just my opinion. I wouldn't go over that because
I don't think our budget can afford um that's my biggest question. We have we have right now um and I had to check again because last time that I checked we have 9,000 and
something. that um I was surprised because I only check the contributions that I have here and the things that we are paying. But we have interest rates that finance department um updated me.
So we got $7,776 in interest rates and our postcards we have sold $882 over the years. So, I thought I was the only one buying the postcards, but no, I bought them.
That would mean you a lot of them are buying them. So, I'm so happy that Yeah. And I haven't I haven't spent You don't have 800. 800. I have I think I've spent like $450. So, anyway,
uh we have right now unrestricted cash $17,345. But having said that, I'm just going to remind you that I the idea of the mandatory contribution did not fly right is not flying. So um and we have
had less applications because also of the whole economy landscape in the in the country right now. People are being more conservative. So actually we discussed today because we have our budget meeting tomorrow. We had less applications with that. we had less you
know opportunity for deviations and for mitigations cuz this is not every deviation that is requested contributes to the public art so you know it's a percentage that think about public art so for the future we need to be
conservative but I think this is something that's initiative from the city I think it's it's a great thing to support also something that's reusable you know like something we can keep using um because it's a digital work, we could end up using it for lots of
different We will own the the the design, right? So, we can use So, within that budget, if you all think $1,000 is um good, I mean, I prefer we will work with whatever you What' you say? I
prefer closer to five. What if we split it at 750? Whatever decided I just What do you think, Keith? I'd like a thousand to attract the attention. And it's going to be used for several
years anyway. And it's going to be a symbol of the city. Okay. I mean, I I'm fine with a thousand. Going through all the Okay. It doesn't have to be unanimous, right? No, it doesn't. ving digital art student, which I have no artistic talent
whatsoever. Uh I would certainly jump at that that that fact or even if I was a young professional or a freelancer, it could be something that uh someone with some talent could do as you said quickly and have a good ROI for for their time. That's that's true. So I think if we're
talking about what should be in the cult artists Well, I guess I'm getting ahead. Are we okay with a thousand I mean, we don't need to like do we need to vote? I think you do. Yeah. You need to make a motion because then need to be
unanimous, right? Right. Not unanimous has to be the majority. Okay. All right. So, we can do a vote on uh what 1,000 as the fee for call to artist for the logo,
the arts and entertainment district logo. All in favor? Do do you need a second for that? Well, the chairperson can't make the motion. So, you can call for the motion, but somebody else has you can entertain a motion. So, ask for someone to make a motion. So, somebody
want to make that motion. So, let me just before that so so that we have the parameters that then Patrick and I can try to write down the call to artist to bring because we have a meeting in two weeks because this is a extraordinary meeting, right? Our meeting is going to
be in two weeks. So we can bring the call to artist for discussion uh with those you know $1,000 um call to answer $1,000. Then my other
question is that is it limited to Oido. Well this is for the oh for the artists or is it the lo central community? You know do we need to limit anything? As I said um earlier, I I I
I would prefer it to be local, but I I don't want to exclude anyone. I know. And so, how do we define local? Yeah. Um you put in your call that you that preference will be given to local artists, you know, but you don't have But then are you going to give the preference in the
design, you know? Well, you that would just be a factor when you're picking design. It's a local artist that opens to dispute. My design is better. I'm not I'm outside of either, you know, I didn't know how to Well, do we still put boundaries? What was that? Do we still
put boundaries of it? Is it the state of Florida? Is it within 25 miles, right? I mean, I like what Keith said about there are a lot of artists at UCF. I would love to tap, you know, there's some really great and $1,000 is a lot for a college student. Yeah. And UCF is in in
in Orlando, right? county, but I consider that local, you know. Yeah, it's not even seminal county. I also consider it like also showing those businesses um that we're also trying to support them. The city of a veto is like we're trying to generate
additional business. Granted, alcohol, but um like drinking, but it can it doesn't have to be alcohol, right? It can be um any other type of beverage, but apple juice. I'm I'm just saying like maybe that it it has different per
a different perception for them because it's very hard for them. I mean, being a small business and um I think if they see that the city is supporting it in this this way, maybe it just makes it more of a positive thing for them or
relationship wise because usually I know like is there a downtown partnership with um with those businesses or no? Like they pay dues or does not have an organization like that? The closest thing we would have is the Oino Winter
Springs Chamber of Commerce. Right. Okay. I just wanted to clarify that. So, yeah, that might provide some So, are we saying do we want to make a motion tonight or were you suggesting that we save a motion for the next meeting? I
think so. I think tonight it would be nice to have the directions, right? So, you know, so if $1,000 is the proposal, I we can do that. if it's local or non-local or you know or we don't limit.
Um the third thing I was going to say for how long do you want the the call to artist to be open that's another thing that we have to establish in the in the call to artist you know request itself when it's going to be the
deadline you know um because the next meeting that will so we we have to take to council. Yes. So May 19th is gone. Um our meeting, our next meeting is going to be the 21st
1st, right? Is it? Y 21st. So we are going to hit um That's mine. So to publicize this and to get people to work on it and submit it, what amount
of time is is good? Two months. Oh, that's a long time. One month. Yeah. Or the other I'm sorry. The other option I'm still thinking about the deadline too, but the other option is to
have for you to direct us to send to council today, you know, have all the parameters today. We will be responsible for writing and then then we hit um council sooner.
Mhm. the the time frame the time frame the time frame is from us is not going to be a specific date. It should be a a amount of time. Yes. A period of time from when it gets finalized and and
publicized to the deadline. So it's when it's it so it's we are going to advertise as soon it's approved by council. So it's approved in on a Monday. We don't know exactly which council meeting. We'll have to check. Tuesday, we can send to, you know, our website. We can send to our
organization, you know, in in the the Florida public art, you know, um um organization that by the way, I have the conference next week and it's going to be for 30 days. We send to there are websites that have call to artists for artists. again
if so the last time one of the murals that I received was from Argentina because they got Yeah. I was just thinking if it goes out on social media really could anybody anywhere could pick it up. Well, do we want to preference Central Florida artists? So,
I'm I'm going to suggest that we say uh it's open to all, but we would give a preference to an Ovido uh resident. And that gives us some leeway.
I I don't know if it's if it's possible to say that, but that gives us some leeway. So, say we're we're uh cutting down the designs of all the hundred submissions that we get and we get to the top six and three of them are from
Ovida residents and three of them are not and so that would give us a reason that would give us a factor to select to help us select. So, but that but then let's imagine that the one that is not from a video is the best. Everybody
loves that one. if we have that preference. I'm I was asking Julie if that puts us in a in a to be disputed. So I have an idea if we but they're gonna be they're going to be judged blind, right? We're not going to know who has done that. Yeah. That's right.
But then still Yeah. So you would not know. So we won't know. So that what is the preference, right? Yeah. If it's if it's if it's not given. So I think it would what would make sense is to say we want someone that understands a vido
that knows of vido we can say that in the and represents the you know the character of veto because then it's really I mean if you are in Argentina you would not and that was the case by the way I mean we had it was beautifully
graphically beautiful did not represent it was the black history of of of vido did not show anything about and a local artists want that because so we can say that we want someone that represents the you know the r the character I think
that that's that would be good to say right yeah you can put that in your qu in your standards for the design and if you want to nar if you want to give preference or narrow down who's submitting somehow the best way to do it is to define who's eligible to submit designs so you would define that
students from UCF are only eligible just as an example not suggesting that or you have to live within certain cities. You have to live within a veto to be eligible. So you define who can submit the design and we will check that right. They would not but we would check to see
if it passes the eligibility. Right. Correct. And then Okay. And um I was just doing some just looking online and it says 500 is good for an
intermediate experienced intermediate um logo. So um and you know your s your recommendation is going to go to council. So if they think it's too little or too much they'll adjust it. So Teresa, you mentioned uh it would be
good to have direction tonight. Do we need to specifically vote on anything to carry this forward outside of the meeting? Yes. So um and I was just trying to remember to think what
other things that we need to the direction from from u the board. But then it will be a motion to ask for a call to artist to recommend a call to artist to city council for the logo of the um art and entertain entertainment
district for $1,000 um with um uh in a design that reflects the character of a vido and the vibrancy of a vido in the park. Something like that.
Yeah. and um and and um that's it and if you want to have any other requirement we can put there. So Patrick and I can work on that and if you have the recommend if you have the
recommendation from the board then we can say the board recommends I will let you know when it's taken to the board if you all want to come and and and speak on that and we'll present in the next possible council meeting which if we decide today then it will be June the
first one in June. Correct. So, what we've discussed is $1,000 vector image the a one-mon call. So, from whenever it's published, it's a one-mon call to artist. Uh what Teresa just said, a
design that reflects the character of a veto um in portrait or one to one uh proportions or a circle. Um, with the required text. What? With the
required text. Yeah, with the Yeah, which is the Ovito Arts and Entertainment District. Important one. Yeah, required um text and the design to be a single color.
We said both, right? So, so a design that works in both full color and single color. Vector. Yeah, vector. So, and vector to be submitted in either SVG or EPS. I misspoke earlier. Can you can you send me that in writing so that
we do not mess it up? Does that cover the basis? I think it does. Okay, I'll second that motion. So, do we the council will say, "Oh, that's too much or or that needs to be more or that needs to be less." Usually
council so far council has completely recommended say the range of between 500 or or is that too much you just well the call to artist will have an amount right and it's going to be this type and um we can let them deal with it. Yeah
usually council has so far accepted all recommendations from this board. It's and it's also you know the board um the fund from the public art so it's not general fund right so whatever you okay so we had a motion we
had the the only thing we're not sure if we're adding to this motion or not is is the artist from central Florida or works in central Florida or it's open to everyone I think they should be from central Florida or work in central Florida. So the the other thing is that
we can direct you know where we advertise. So we so before we advertise in the websites you know because it was our first experience but we can send to central to UCF you can send we can put in the
website we can send to I don't know if um um seminal state has arts too. Yes they do. We send to them, you know, so we can Jillian, define Central Florida. I know. I know. That's why I like that one cuz
they can define it themselves. If they're living in Tallahassee, no one's trying to say they're in central Florida. What about Florida? All of Florida. That keeps out the people from Argentina. There we go.
I think that's great because that's that's so clearcut, right? So, I think that's good. Okay. So, we have the motion. We have the second and now we both So, do we need to be requirement has from Florida? Is that
part of it? That is that do I do I need to repeat the motion? Just a clarification. Is it is a is a requirement that it has to be from Florida? Yes. or we just say peace see Florida now. Okay. So, I'll repeat it.
I make You're gonna send it to Yeah. Yeah. But, uh Jul uh I should repeat it. Yes. I think Do you have it? I think I have everything. You're going to send me the the But yes, repeat just because it's the going to be recorded. If we have questions, we go back and and then
everyone knows what they're voting on. Yeah. Okay. So, I make a motion that we uh direct council to have a call to artists uh to hire someone to create a logo um the call to artist or the artist
would get paid $1,000. Must be from Florida um or live in Florida. Um the artwork should be submitted as a vector image in either SVG and EPS format.
Uh, the design is available in full color and single color. This is a one-mon call to artist and the design must be a design that reflects the character of Ovito. Did I cover? Oh, and it's fits in either a
square a 1:1 ratio or a portrait 4:3 ratio. Did you say the text as well? And it has to include the text OTO arts and entertainment district. And for a month, right? Yeah. The call is Yeah, the call is one month from
opening. So the proportion is one one to one or portrait four to three. Four to three. I second the motion. Okay. All in favor? I I. Any opposed?
I oppose the amount. Okay. So most probably I'll let you know, but we'll try to have everything ready for the the first meeting in June. Okay. You happy? Yes. Board, thank you so much for your time and assistance with this. This is actually been quite
fun for me. I learned a lot and I do appreciate it. Thank you. Awesome. This is how the sausage gets made. Knows all about that. Said you know all about that. He does. All right. Next up
is murals. So, I don't know if you want um because this again this is an extraordinary meeting, right? If you but I sent you all the skeleton of a proposal. I have it here too. I don't know if you want to go over today. Sure. Um I don't know how
everyone else feels. It's already 6:45, right? And I have another item. So, these are two call to watches, right? So, I already have mine. I thank you.
I think I have more here. So, let's start with the first one. Um, with the sculpture, I I So the sculpture um Deborah um told me the discussion on the mural that you
brought it down the the stipend in the sculpture you wanted to increase but I did not get exactly how much. So, if that was clear, when we last discussed it, there were some questions
that needed to be answered for us to understand what the uh true like scope and scale is that we could install there. Mhm. Um, and I think one of them was like,
did public works have any criteria about how much space would need to be left around anything installed there like for them to do mowing, repairs, whatever. Um, there were a couple questions that
were that I remember as takeaways that we needed to get. So, that this will depend because we don't know the sculpture. This will be part of the um review of the sculpture. Um so when we have it's like
when we have now with the wings of joy now we are doing the you know how to prepare the site for maintenance as well. So because we don't know if it's going to be a vertical sculpture, if it's going to be horizontal, if it's
going to be on a on a pedestal or if it's going to be installed on ground. Mhm. It's hard to even get from them any They will have to be involved for the installation for for sure.
So, and I don't even know if it's public works or parks because rack and parks also, you know, do stuff innov um and I think there was also some questions on the maintenance of the or repair of this wall cuz this wall has I think have some kind
of bricks that are kind of falling. This would have to be also, you know, um um in a way renovated to be ready to receive a sculpture. We also had concern
about damage like protection from vehicles or so vehicles it's it's not a really big space. It's not a big space. the the sculpture will have to be sized right to be um to fit the space and that's going
to be part of the review. So it's it's not a concern. It's not in a so no it's it's not a roundabout in the middle of a traffic. So it's off road. So anything off road if you have a
tree you have the the danger of people getting out and hitting hitting a tree but it's it's not typical right? Mhm. But can that happen? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. It can right. Can we
protect later on if you think you know with ballers or something you know but that is again that consideration unless you think that this site is not good right so if you all think this site is not a good site for a sculpture we
can try to find another site that's another I know that my questions weren't about whether or not it was a good site it was like just trying to get to that trying to understand a decision ision point now of are there any constraints
from any other city department that would adjust like we have the area dimensions is there any uh requirement that they have that would change like what's the usable space for that I don't
think so I I cannot imagine because this is um I would say it's kind of waiting for something in the middle there because it has the little knee wall, right? Um, yeah.
I go ahead. No, go ahead. I know that we had, you know, you talked about the budget that we had said that because someone could decide to do one in the middle or like a series of five things that we shouldn't just set the
budget to 25 for the stipen, but it should be up to whatever the number is we decide. So that if they want a range Yeah. So and that that would be something the artist would be like this is how much it costs for me to do this sculpture, you know? So if they want to do something smaller, we're not like why
is that $25,000? Mhm. Um and do you want to establish a stipend for the artist and then um a range for the sculpture? you know a fixed amount for the sty for the artist and
the and x amount for the I don't think I follow well because there are two things right so it's the work of I'm the artist this is going to I'm going to pay I'm going to receive that amount as a stipend for me and then I have to deliver mhm this sculpture
oh I one or two or three in my brain those are together but I don't know what other people I I think it should be a package something up to with the range is that or you want a fixed amount? Yeah, it
could be up to 25,000. Okay. If if someone has a very attractive design but it's small and it it's not going to cost much. U you know, we could have some
judgment on that. I think you have to be careful because wouldn't an artist want to go with the high I mean someone go with the highest amount probably. I mean I'm just saying like it's a it's it's it's someone's
interpretation. Someone might say, "Well, because it's smaller, it took me longer because it's more detailed." I'm just making this up. I don't know. That's why I'm kind I I'm thinking I'm thinking for that space I think 25,000 is a lot um for that
particular space. Um because it's not a big space. It's not. And and I'm also trying to think of how what kind of sculpture could be there that would be catching. Um because you got the brick wall, you have the sidewalk, and you got the grass right there, and you have the
trees. So I I I don't know. I don't know. And and actually I just thought about that you could even think about a sculpture sitting in in the in the new wall, right? Because I was thinking about the grass area, but you could
easily put some something although we are talking about fountain and flora, right? Oh, I saw that in here. Is that something we discussed? We we haven't discussed. Oh, we haven't discussed. So, okay. This was this is all for discussion purpose right I prepared
something because it's easier to start from something but um it can be open as well it's easier to have a theme right so that you guide but um
so we had some reference points uh I noted that on the Stanford sculpture walk it was sculpture on loan for two years. $30,000 for 10 pieces. The city paid for the concrete
pads. And then I had another I had another number that I'm not sure what it's attached to that was like 17,000. So while we are discussing I'm going to pass around I'm going to send you all this today but Carrie Dam sent me while
we were discussing that she would come today. These are sculptures and I think this is in um Crane's Roost Park and so she was sending you know and I'll I'll
send you all by email. She she sent it today and today I was so busy with other stuff that I did not have time to I just saw that before the meeting. So if I could speak raise a question about the
eligibility this opportunity is open to local artists. So how do we define local artists? We don't right do we I mean so do we go back to do we say Florida
artists? Do we say Florida is more than local, right? Yeah. So, it's it's up to you again, please. Yeah. Thank you. Saving some electricity. It's
it's a So, Orlando is central, right? It's local. I mean, not central, but local. Um, okoi. I mean it's still local. Talahas is not local. Do you and surrounding counties?
Yeah, it's I don't have a problem one way or the other. So it's up to it it just it just should be clear uh so that people know whether they're
eligible and and if we're screening them when they come in then it's clear also I can check I think well the previous ones we did not have that it ended up being local but we did not have um
um anelig eligibility for that you had to be local. Can we go back to the price? So Lisa, you said am I in here? Lisa, you said that you thought that was a lot. I did, but I'm also trying to reference their notes from our last meeting and I also
have 17,000 for some reason. Mhm. Um, Kathleen, so I'm trying to figure out what did I mean by that cuz I thought we had said we wanted more. So So that's what I think Deborah told me that you wanted to give have more for this one,
but I did not understand how much. Yeah. And I'm fighting away again. Talk I think we talked 30 more than that. Yeah. I think because I went over there and walked around it and I um I was thinking like it would be
something like that would be that price would be for a sculpture would be for a a an area where you can really see it, you know, like that roundabout. Totally. That's why I have the roundabout. I I wrote down the roundabout or like another park or I I'm
just throwing that out there. But um but the the space is really is small. That that's why and when I walked over there I wasn't I was kind of surprised. But I understand why you would want something there. Um but again if you put something
vertical right red it's going to it's going to expand. Right. Exactly. If you put a bronze sculpture that is small it's going to I'd like to note that what we have right now is not 25,000. It's 35,000 because we have 25,000 for design and execution, five for installation,
three for lighting, and two for a plaque, which is 35. So just if we're thinking of our budget, yeah, let's keep all the numbers in mind. Yeah. Do do we know what these cost? I do not, but we can you can we
can try to reach out and see. I like this one. the little girl in the reading a book. So, we can bring back if you all want. It's still I guess if we know what we're
going to accomplish if we bring it back. Um like if there's something in particular that we want to research or determine. So I need suggestions from you all
because I I did my research here and I need I know the input from the board how how much the board feels comfortable. I'm also just interested to see what people come up with for this much, right? I don't know if that's just
overly optimistic. But, um, yeah. So, question, how are they going to work in the wall? You know, maybe they'll be much more creative than I can immediately think of. If it's 5,000 for installation, are we paying the artist
5,000 for them to arrange the installation? That's part of our budget. That's our budget to install. If there is permitting, if we have to put a concrete foundation, you know, this is our cost for all right. I mean, how uh
unusual would it be to say do a call to artist as it's printed right here and if we get submissions that are just very different than what we
expect, you know, in terms of, I don't know, size, quality, like could we revise it and say, "Well, that didn't go as we expect. we want to update this and now our numbers are going to look like XYZ. So anything that you update you see
after after done the call to artist if you don't like it well there is no I think um um obligation to accept anything if the board doesn't you just do not recommend to council right and that doesn't move forward any changes
have to go back to council y for you know for the budget and all that but there is no obligation to accept if the so there's not there's no risk and I think we can even put in the call to artist, right? I don't know if the board
doesn't put that in here, but you don't need it because it Yeah. Why advertise that if we don't have to as long as we don't contract it's a selection. If the board says we did not like anything, right? It's the
board is is um or not recommending anything to council, nothing's going to be approved. So, do we want to have a motion? Well, we haven't discussed the theme. Are you good with fawn and flora? I think it's
good. Yes, I think the fauna and flora is a good theme. I just want chickens everywhere. But, you know, let's get Have you seen the chicken on the National Gallery?
It's cute. you want to bring in getting back to this issue of of the local artists. Is there any better way to state it? Is any anybody else bothered by that? I think you could just say
Florida. I think Yeah, I think your suggestion earlier is just say Florida. Yeah. Florida artists and then publish it or promote it in the different sources that you had suggested which would make sure that local or or central
Florida artist would have a chance to learn about it. So if another artist come from another place it's not going to be accepted another state outside of Florida. I don't know. Say you grew up in Florida and you live in Massachusetts. Your parents still live
here. You could just delete the word local and say open to artist experience. I mean that could be part of the experiment is if we don't get enough submission. So what because Yeah. Because what we can say is u direct the
advertisement to Florida. Mhm. Right. But do not because I have a little bit of problem because I also want Florida artist to be able to be shown in New York, right? I'm not a big fan of That's true. barriers, right? So I want to we want to be inclusive,
but I mean we can advertise in UCF states because also you can have UCF students that are from elsewhere, right? Right. And I also know with call for artists um or the RFPs, sometimes an artist is submitted who is from somewhere else but then ends up being
this really famous artist that people specifically will come to that location just like the bean in Chicago. People just will specifically come to certain locations because of you know some
certain sculpture points. So all of a sudden we might have let's say we have a submitt from an artist from Odo Spain, our sister city, which would be kind of cool
actually um when you think about it. Um and we have that um sculpture or whatever um um that connection. So um I'm just saying then all of a sudden maybe we start receiving people visiting
from there. I'm just, you know, but I know like the city of Orlando, their sculpture walk, they're they're artists from different um places and especially the the sculpture of the dog. There's a big following and people travel to see those. So,
well, you've sold me. I feel like we should just open it to everyone. Yeah, I I'm okay with that. Okay, agreed. Okay. So, this one I'm going to bring this one I'm going to bring next time because we are not in a hurry so that we
have the proper call to artist and then we can Was there anything else we want to change? I think it sounds like we're good to go. We agreed on the price. We agreed on who can do it. We agreed on the subject. Yep. And open to any artist. And I just saw the bean yesterday
morning. How long? A month. 30 days. I think that's fine. I also think I don't think it says it in here about making sure that Oh, it does. Never mind. It says that the artwork remains requires minimal maintenance and
can withstand our weather. So, I was just going to say that should definitely be in there, but it is. So, never mind. 30 days. Okay. Do you want to discuss the mural? Do we need to motion? One second. Um, in terms of the time frame, since this is a
much bigger project, I'm thinking that we need to allow a little more time. If someone's designing a 3D sculpture, um, maybe 45 days, 60 days.
What what were the uh timelines you were seeing when you were looking at the other ones? I've actually not seen a call to artist for a sculpture project. Um I've only seen murals and um uh designs for utility box wraps and
things like that. But but as far as the sculptures that were selected, I've only seen that before. It's just the they would they would just bring their ideas and select select. So that's a good point because what I think we need to also define here is how we going to
portray that right in in because a mural is easy right a logo is easy to show but then we have to see what what are we going to analyze right has to be
so I have to kind of try to find well I guess it depends on the artist some of them might do like physical miniature sculptures some I do 3D modeling some, you know. So, are we going to request modeling? Are we going to request how do you show I think it's
up to them. It totally is up to them to to show their work in the best in the best way. And you have to be you you're specific with are you going to have a picture of the location? Yeah. Okay. This is this is one that's specific.
Yeah. No, with the RFP, but you're attending that conference next week and you can also ask um opinions, you know, um I mean you know how much time is appropriate for a sculpture as well. I'm just um and and I can look through past
postings and see what the RFPs were for for those too. I can go through my emails and just see. Okay. So could you email that group that you attended the conference at and maybe Oh, that's the one you're going to. I'm sorry. I'm
going next week. So this one I will bring you back. Okay. In a in a different format because there may be some other, you know, things to come. So So we'll table this. Uh well, if you're giving me the okay to move forward with what we discussed, I'm going to bring it
now a proposal as if it was going to council and then we can review that and see if it's ready to go. Sounds good. Okay. We can make the mod any modifications as a because it's not going to be final
final mural. Madame Lisa does her homework. Lisa, you have one, right? Thank you. So, this one um we
adjusted to 2,000. Was that Well, we did. Uh so, what I'm thinking is we're talking about giving somebody $1,000 for something that's going to go on a cup versus $2,000. Now, we did we
went we went through a lot of math on this, like what's the price per square foot of some other murals, and we did determine that 2,000 was a fair a fair amount.
To me, that just says I think a th000 is too much for a cup. So, may I ask what is what's the benefit to splitting it out like that into into a design fee and a material
fee? Well, last time we did that, uh, we bought the material. The the artist gave us the the specification and we bought the material and um and they they um got
this stipend of, you know, h But it's it's again up to the board if you want to do a um because if it was all combined together then when it then it would not be a measly
$2,000 Kathleen but rather it would be $7,000 for the design and execution of it and the artists would buy their own stuff. I think the argument Oh, sorry. No, I think we had said 7,000 alto together
before when we talked about it. We weren't breaking it out into material, right, and equipment. I think the five to two is is a little weird, but on the other side, putting it together would
encourage the artist to use less quality materials that cost less cuz then they could pocket the money. And last time we had even to for one of them we have to ask for more money and we did that you know so and we have two good quality you know bureaus so I didn't know
does it does it cost $5,000 to paint a wall that's a it's metal right a piece that's that's this big is metal no it's not metal stuckle I had written down a $25 time 108 square
ft We were talking about a mural that was 8 by14 that cost 2600. That's right. That's what we figured out. Right. Wasn't that just an averaging? We were
from everything that we looked at. Yeah, we went through a few uh what's the word? past projects of other places. Yeah. Comps. So material is up to right. So they would have to do the request of the material that we buy.
So we control a little bit how much you know is being spent. But you can we can change that. Well, and I think we had the conversation around like longevity
uh and we were saying that we would require like paints, finishes, seal that would withstand. So like we would want somebody to tell us kind of what
materials would they So that's in a way that's a given. That's the two that we had. We had the same thing. It has to be exterior exterior painting, right? Paint has has to sustain has to sustain the the weather because it's for the
outside. Um, so that is u do we want to keep the word local in here for local artist? Uh, or do we want to remove that? Well, I think the difference here is
that this artist physically has to paint it on our house, right? So, if they're not local, who's housing them, you know? Yeah. We're not doing trouble, right? Yeah. Good point. Be their problem. Yeah. Good
point. you know, I mean, if they like wanted to, but if they really wanted to stay at artistic hand, h they would stay at artistic hand or something. I'm just I'm making that. I mean there's residents of artists places
um you know but yeah but we could open it and say if you like if you're out of town you're responsible for your own uh accommodations. That's another question for next week
for accommodation. I've done some agreements with the artist. Is it considered their expense? It it it's not it's not Yeah, it's not written here that we we are going to house them. So, it's not if it's not
approved. Yeah. Right. Exactly. It's it's it's not an issue. I don't think we even have to go there. Okay. Because this this is how much we we are offering this. You have to come and paint. You have to send your design, right? It's going to be if if you're the winning
design, but you live in Chicago, Japan, and you cannot come or it's expensive. Yeah. Going to be bad. So, for the other mural that's already done, the Ovida one, did was there a budget
um for the city to buy the materials for that? Do you happen to know how much the paint cost, all the materials for that for that one? I can check here. That's about three times the size, right? I think it's more than that. More than that.
Um the which the the Black History for sure, the one in Round Lake Park is huge. Yeah. This the I'm just curious if you if you happen to know the cost of the materials.
I know when when I've seen responses to calls to artists for murals before in the artist proposal, they had line items for materials and travel because some of the artists were from out of town. So in their proposal, they had that written like this is how much is for the design,
this is how much is for travel ahead of time. Yes, it was all in their proposal and then they they had a total that the city just paid and the agreement. Yeah. So, one here I'm seeing and I have to
check save here. We gave I think the first mural was $1,000. And by the way, I did I have to um correct something. This is this is going to the CRA. So it's not So we have to have a a date
that the CRA meets which is not every month. You don't meet every month. So I have to check when it when is the next one. Let me open the call to artist is the sculpture the CRA as well
both of them because we don't have the money. basically we only have 17,000. So, um, while you're looking for that, the only thing I think in the project summary, I think that it should say that
this is right next to a playground, that this um, boat house is right next to a playground. Does that make sense? Just for the P project summary, I I know it says like it should be familyfriendly and all
that. Um, but I just think knowing that like there will be a like it's not just somewhere families go. It's like there are a lot of kids right there. I agree. You know, I think in this case in terms of the eligibility, I think
leaving the leaving it for a local artist is okay. We don't have to screen for it, but it just underlines the idea that that they have to be there in person to
do the work. And so we don't have to get legalistic about it, but uh I think it just lays it out that that it's centered in that location in person.
Mhm. That makes sense. Do seem does that seem right? Yeah. She's checking on how much it the paint costs in a previous uh mural commission. And was that previous mural precoid? Did we see? Yeah, we're going
to assume that the prices go up exponentially, but still so we have a starting point. So for Round Lake Park, it was $1,000 for the for the stipend for the purchase of the artwork and a maximum of 2,000
for materials. Did not work that way. We had to go back and ask for more money. I don't know if I'll have here the more money we got. It will take more time. Center Lake, it was um the winning
design $1,000 and 2,000 to cover the materials and a,000 to have a lift rental. Right. We don't need a lift for this.
So, um it was 2,000 much less square footage. Okay. And then we had well a th000 was to cover the lift rental and the mural identification block. I think personally I'm fine with the
material equipment budget up to 5,000 because it's harder to ask for more money if we need it for materials and if they're like I want gold infused paint we will say no.
Okay. Yes. I I think that's the the the benefit there is up to 5,000. So they submit what they want. uh and and then the city will purchase
the materials. Now, if you think 2,000 in comparison to the logo is unfair, you can put a,000 to the artist more. So, say 4,000 and 4,000
subtracted from materials budget. Yeah, I like that. Everyone's agreed on that. So 3,400. Are you Are you liking that idea? Knowing that they could come back on the materials if needed. Well, if we spend
2,000 in the uh over the postcard, right, we are doubling it. And if we don't need the rent, the lift, yeah, just use a ladder. Then it's our thing did a giant mural up there. Like ladder, right? Fine. So, we're
saying 3,000 for design and execution, 4,000 for material and equipment. Yeah, you good. I I can agree with that. Okay. And and we hope that it's there for eight years or more, right? So, yeah, it's it's a good investment. Yeah. I mean, it's makes more sense to me than
Cool. So, do we need to motion? All right. Would somebody like to make a motion for this criteria? Anybody? Me? Okay. I will make a Hold on. I'm on the wrong one. I will make a motion that we will present to the CRA a
call to artists for a mural at Center Lake Park. Um, as depicted in the papers we are given today with two changes. one that the project budget uh for design and execution will be $3,000 and the material and equipment
budget will be $4,000 and the project summary will um d will notify the artist that it is at a playground. Yes. Yes. And the time frame and the time frame
it's It's 30 days. 30 days. It's a mural, right? I'll second that motion. Okay. All in favor? I I. Any opposed?
Okay. Okay. My last well um I have two this one and a little comment on another thing. The six item number six is I think it was discussed u the board would
like to have um discretionary money or um discretionary power to talk about money for that one. Uh I'll be very I I'll give you the history. the committee that that created the public art board
um did not want that and and they had clear you know um um reasons for that because um the board is not empowered by the by the community they are appointed by council
um so they did not want to have any power over money they wanted to recommend to city council um this is in the code of ordinances. So, this is an ordinance amendment. I need to to be I'm not going
to bring that to council without their direction because they created the board with that assumption. I it's going to be this is my opinion. I don't think it's going to fly because there are two things involved. One is the the use of
the money. Um the second is although they have supported everything that the public art board has recommended art is al can be also controversial right so sending to council because if we put and I think um I was not here but the amount
that was discussed was $10,000 it was all over the place or all over the $10,000 for instance would cover most of our murals whatever so that would be It was I can see for instance we ask money
for banners um um how do you call um stationery right the postcards because this is approved um art that we are just doing right you know because it's it's
annoying and I can see that for us as well to council for $300 for the banner for you know something that if we miss the cycle we miss the cycle but I don't know so I would have to discuss with council in a work session so that's what
I'm saying I mean if you all want me to I have no problem bringing that to council I would bring in a work session to see if they give us a direction to change the the ordinance because this is a court of ordinance um change we are not going to go through the process
without their direction um I think The intention was not to go and buy sculptures or murals without the approval of council. It was so we could buy postcards for the hund like you know or like stuff that we we cannot do that
helps us function as a board and like helps get more money for the board you know so even if it's like $500 or under um or it could be stuff that only util utilizes pre-approved art you know. So that's why I think it it's more doable
but still it's a code of or ordinance change because the code of ordinance def regulates the board and it says the board is an advisory board and and everything has to be approved by city council. So I would have to amend that
to say the board has you know you know or the board can direct staff to you know up to a certain amount you know to do stationary and then then we can um explain there whatever it is. Yeah. But
this was discussed. So this is not a theme that it was discussed before. Mhm. you know in the in the committee that created the board or the proposed the board to be created and they all say we don't want the you know and so the other thing that we discussed here I don't
know where is the threshold for a form one to be the form one to be to be um you know the financial disclosure because you know that's another thing that boards that have you know um uh
approving author authority over you know um money and yeah they they would have to also have that uh submit to the to the um state this uh this form all directors we have to do
that too. Mhm. So this is just an update. I have no problem bringing as a and so we can discuss how much but and if you want to have that as um um uh limiting or whatever is the the pleasure
of the board I will certainly bring to council. Would it need to be a special meeting with the council or could that be added on as b business to so we we bring things to council either in a work session for
discussion or a discussion item in a regular meeting. Okay. So, and usually we discuss a we choose a meeting that is not so I don't know if you have been following and you have apologized Deborah and I think the energy level is you know it's kind of low crazy because
we had a meeting on Monday that went up to 10 p.m. Yes. So I had LPA as well here and today's the third meeting in a row at night, right? So we so we we choose to have a discussion with council in a meeting that does not have a very
heavy agenda so that they are also not exhausted in the end of the meeting to discuss anything. I mean I'm up for having a discussion. I don't know what other people think. Yeah, whatever you I will follow whatever you know it doesn't hurt to have a discussion
to have the discussion between us tonight or to have the discussion with the board with the council with council it's really yeah kind of whatever they say they're in charge right and I think we had talked about
proposing different limits and then the idea was just go to them you know, without a cap and see what they how they respond and what they put on it. Um, or do something different like Teresa said, and we can buy things
that only use art that have been pre-approved or pre- purchased by council up to a certain I think you have to have a limit. I think it would be nice to have a limit. Well, would I think the assumption was that they would give us a limit, but would they give us a higher limit than we would ask for?
Do you want a higher limit? That's another question because the the committee did not want the the previous one did not want I like to buy art. Um they don't they want to definitely have that input and control because they don't want it to be a big issue if it's
something that okay I that is the thing they are the ones they are they are the ones that are confronted also by the population when they don't like something so they want to have the control over the But to go back to the whole reasoning
was about the postcards. We we just were thinking something this seems like such a waste of of process that we could just easily just say okay that was the whole Mhm. reason. So
the discussion can't hurt, right? So I I so I the only thing I have to structure the structure to whatever you all want or you can come and and do the discussion. We can also open to the public art board to come and voice you know their request because then you have
you know but if I am going to be the one intermediating or then I need to know what exactly to ask and and the reasoning and um but we can have I can talk to Brian to have to see if the board can also participate in the work
session and then I mean yeah that's fine with me. Okay. Do we need a motion or do we just Is that just guidance for conversation? I don't think you need a motion. Okay. No, there's a motion.
We still would have to structure right what to ask exactly how much or if you're going to give open or say stationary or approved. I think that suggesting a limit would be less alarming to them
and the idea of preapproved part right it does alleviate a lot of stress from you all it's not it's ultimately doesn't fall on you the choices you know so it can't go against you but you know that happens yeah yeah I think it sounds
there's a safety net in preapproved with a limit because then we're not then we're exercising content and money discretion. It's just money discretion within a certain limit for a known entity to
distribute art that's already been Yes. created for OTO's use and that they've approved. Mhm. Okay. Or a banner, right? I I can imagine that too, right? Okay. basically ad advertising for us. Do you
want to establish a um an amount? No, I think we just ask them what they want unless they say it's less than $500 and then we say ask for an amount. You said there was something else you had. No, there's something else is our
exhibition here. So, I I you know, I'm so pleased with what um Miss Granville brought. I think it's beautiful. She also um is a very generous person. So she has um granted the board. Um if you
like any of the paintings, she'll she'll make copies and it's a very nice quality copy. So I'll bring next time the sheet and you can, you know, choose whatever you think it's um if you'd like to have a copy of that. And please invite, you
know, your friends and and and neighbors to come. You know, most of them are for sale. Um, and then 25% comes to the public art board, too. So, it's our job also to advertise and and bring some
traffic. Okay. Can I I had one question and I should have asked it when um um Mr. Kelly was here. Um so the board or the city can come to us and say we want to um use your budget
for something a project that we're doing because it's considered arts oriented. I just want to anything that is art oriented um in the city for the code of ordinances should come through this
board but city council can can certainly because they are the approving authority they can direct right so say we want that the Jolie came as as um a suggestion from uh council member Britain right so this is your question
more about the funding of the yeah I just thought it was just kind like they're taking, you know, I don't know, we don't have much money. That's why I was, you know, I was just think I just thought, huh, they're coming to our budget for a project that really has to
do with um business development in in the city in essence. But I I just it's just, you know, I just wanted that clarification. That's it. That's all. Wow. the the board could say no, we
don't recommend, but it's it's it's well, so when we present, we want we want to be able to use our funds. We said we just gave you $1,000 of our funds. I know who is going to go there and talk to council. I don't know what you're
talking about. You still approve the design, but maybe request that somewhere if there's other money some other so we spend 500 well I have an idea you can all also
propose it's shared with the CRA because the vid on the park is in the CRA so we can say well CRA has some money I think that makes sense so we would be we the public art board would like to contribute gives us a lot of money right
they too. But so I would just kind of be like, "No, we'll take this one and we'll take your $75,000 to get you sculptures, you know." All right. Um, so so what what is the consensus? Should I talk to Patrick about that or
no? We just move forward. I just Okay. I just not saying talking. I just wanted a clarification. Let me tell you, we are very protective of our money too. And I don't know what happened right now in the department. Oh, someone came from the city, wanted the postcards. And my
staff said, "Where's the money?" Cuz this So they came to me was a was something I don't know. And I said, "Oh, that's fine. We can give." And you know, it's $1. But but my staff said, "No, we cannot we cannot give away postcards.
Sell postcards." Those dollars are for the arts board. So I understand the feeling because we also want to have money right for the Okay. Okay. Do we have any other uh discussion items before future meeting
dates? So future meeting dates currently are May 21, June 18, and July 16th. And let's see. So we are going to notify Dalia if any of us are not able to attend one of these meetings so that we
can ensure that we have a quorum to conduct the meeting. And may I please have a motion to adjourn the meeting. So moved. Second. Oh, that was loud.
Okay. Uh all in favor? I. All right. Who left the mints? my stories. Thank you all.