That's wonderful. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm donating. >> Oh, good for you. >> All right. So, we're calling the meeting to order at 5:30. And Dalia, you'll do roll call.
>> Yes. Presenting tonight Waters, Helen Clark, Anna Toma, Kimberly Bole, Xavier Mox, Kathleen Crane, Martha Deborah Bower, Bra Site, um Keith Kums, and did
I miss anybody? Lisa McCoy. >> All right, reminder for everybody to please uh silence your cell phones. First order of business is to approve our minutes from the meeting of Wednesday, October 15th.
Do we have a motion to approve? >> Move to approve the minutes. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> All right. All in favor of approving the minutes. >> Any opposed? All right. public comments.
So, uh, looks like we have, um, somebody here, Jean, to speak with us. >> I I just wanted I'm I'm here mostly to I'm I'm not having any specific requests or anything. I'm I'm here to find out a little bit more about what you do, and I
may slip out partway through the meeting, but I want to at least see the first the first couple items you're talking about and find out what you're doing. And I wanted to to let you know that my wife and I have been participating in a um uh in fact we met
through a a folk singing tradition. And we do this at our house and we we organize an event in northern Orlando once a year that that draws people um from from Eden from Europe once in a while and a lot of people from from out
of state to sing with us. This is this is our book. This is the 2025 edition that just came out two months ago. replacing the older 1991 edition, but the book's been around since 1844 and people singing four part AC capella from, you know, hymns um from this um
from this book. And we have some people sing at our house. And so um I you know, we we're always looking for opportunities to to draw in new people who are interested in our singing. And so if there are events where where we could do a demonstration singing for example or where um or where it would be
appropriate for us to to go and and perhaps try to uh interest people and let them know uh I just wanted to let you know that we exist and um and and would be interested in these sorts of things. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Is it all a capella? is all
acappella and uh it is developed um and and typically typically it's sight song and so you know we will get new pieces and and sight sing them um often although the you know this this book has only been revised for the first time in
34 years and so there are certain songs that you know you get to know because you do a lot but >> cool are there any is it all uh hymns or is it secular as well? Uh this book is entirely hymns and it's ecumenically Protestant. So I would say there's
there's one song that you know about Mary that you could classify as more Catholic. It is Protestant. There are a lot of Jews participate and Muslims and Hindus in other parts of the country. Um I guess we don't have in in in our group but certainly atheists and non-believers who do say they still find something
spiritual or you know in in this. Um so certainly we're not exclusive but but it is hidden and we have sort of adjacent to it in the tradition we have other books we do sing from and some of them have very secular lyrics.
>> How would anyone find you? >> How would anyone find us? Um the our book is called the Sacred Heart and we have um a a Central Florida Sacred Heart Facebook page. um and uh and and that's probably the
best way to find us. But then also a lot of the national Sacred Heart pages um will will have links to local groups. So that's that. Yeah. But the Facebook page, we do have a um a Google site as
well that um um that contains some of this information. So those are the two the two things on the internet that are probably the best place to find us. Do you do any Christmas caroling with your group? >> Um, not really. No. Um, that might be a good idea.
>> Okay. I just wasn't sure if that was something like what the city executive program Christmas Caroline could reach out to you all. >> There are a couple of songs in here that are Christmas songs. Not a lot. But then again, there there are the other sources sort of in that that do. There's a
there's a there's a collection, I believe, called the Christmas harp, in fact, that um that has more Christmasy songs. Yeah. >> So, you guys stick basically to the book? >> Uh, not really, actually. No. In fact, my wife and I I think we I think there
are at least like six different books of which we have, you know, five or six copies so that if people drop by our house, we can lend them, you know, that that we can we can all sing. And so yeah, there's probably a good, you know, at least six
books that we s of I the ones um and and a few of them a few of them are certainly um more or less entirely religious in terms of the text, but then there couple that are are a little more.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. Can I ask a question? Sure. How did you hear about us? >> Um I I think a year or two ago my wife saw um a a call for applicants actually
for the board. Um and and it sort of interested me a little bit at the time, but then um but then I didn't follow through. But then a week or two ago, I think I saw something on either a Facebook page or perhaps I I think I get notifications about the city council meetings and it might have come through
that feed as well that I found. >> So, do you live in >> I live I I considered walking here. I ended up driving but but it would be like a 15 minute walk. I'm just over here at >> So, yes, you are.
Well, thank you for coming. >> Any other questions? >> Thanks for being here. All right, we'll go ahead and uh close public comments. Next up is staff report.
Good evening everybody. Um I have a bunch of updates today. So um the first one is on the cold watches. They were um released on September 3rd or 4th. >> Um and we wait a little a little bit
because um when it was approved by council, if we counted 30 days would be Thanksgiving and 60 days would be Christmas and the New Year's the holiday. So, we thought that you'd at least slide a little bit to have the 30
days for the first one because the mural we gave 30 days, the sculpture is 60 days. So far, we only got one application for the mural and I would imagine the sculpture would
take a little bit longer anyway. But, so we have the opportunity now to spread the word. we have sent you know through websites um the cultural artist it's in our um page as well it's his page I sent to the uh Florida uh professional
association of professional art professionals and um and we send to the signal council um arts council but this is something that word of mouth also plays a role I have been talking to people
that applied before you know the for the mural Sculpture is going to be a new adventure for us. So, and if we do not have enough applications, we can all always extend right and put more effort in spreading the word. But this is the
update on the call to arches. So, the next meeting in December, if we have applications for the mural, will be an an opportunity to have selection of the mural. But we'll update you on that um
up closer to the date. The second update is on the wings of joy and I brought today I'm gonna pass it along. So we finally got the samples from the company in Canada and they they sent us the sample. So
this is um the real material and it's the real so it's in scale. So just this is just one foot and I have the the picture that shows where they took it. I can pass it on.
But this is how it's metal. So if this is the photography we printed in metal and to be able to stand the weather. So this is going to be double-sided as you remember. So we have um five
butterflies, 10 wings, 20 panels of um >> So the wing will be one piece of metal. The wing will be >> the wing is going to be one piece of metal and they will be sent to us already one piece. Uh-huh. >> They will assemble, you know.
>> So the mater is what? So they sent for us for the artist to approve the the coloring and the >> I think the is it printed on both sides?
>> Yeah, she said it was just another panel. So we have this panel and another panel. >> There's two panels. >> Really? So, it's heavy. >> Well, >> I was going to say that's it's a lot heavier than I imagined. >> Yeah.
>> But that's good. Yeah. It'll last. >> Yeah. I'm just wondering like with wind and >> No, this it has to be engineered. So, because >> But is there going to be like any type of flexibility or it's just going to be Okay. I just want to make sure
>> I just sort of >> I am floored that this looks so I was not expecting >> this is going to look fabulous from a distance. >> I think so too. >> I was a little just every time I drive by there thinking about this. This is >> it. It's going to be
>> I don't know. >> I don't know. I don't think it's aluminum. >> The color is These are beautiful colors. >> Yeah. Well, the >> I like the texture. >> I think that >> Yeah, you can see the scales. >> So, this is the same
material. Now we may use this as >> so we may use this um um to put in the wall >> to give the identification right if you want. So we have we are thinking about
that how to you know >> we may use the same you know and have a have a graphic of the whole >> and where they would >> where this comes from >> but um >> it' be like a game they could try to find it
too. >> So are you going to let council kind of touch and feel this as well? brought it we brought this to the CRA uh on Monday and actually it was displayed at the dis with the council. So it was just for them to see but the mayor in the end
>> um uh brought it up, oh this is so cool. I want to show whatever this was discussed a little bit in during um city household meeting but that was also I took because the CRA also is funding this project. So I want the CRA members
also to see that. And the other update I have on that is that we are still um working on the sponsors. But today um they've actually sent me u cost estimate from a landscape company
and the it's around $15,000 and the landscape company is gave a discount of 40%. So it dropped to 9,000 their participation and then Mr. Axel is saying that he's going to cover the other 9,000. So now we have now two new
sponsors to the project and that is to for us to have the site plan but remember that we were trying to improve the experience also to protect the wings not to have people hitting you know the wings. We have landscape protecting the
base of the wings and just allowing the walkway for people to reach the middle of the wings so that they can >> with the body of the wings pictures whatever we want to protect them. So uh I was very happy that is moving
forward and when we give the okay >> to the fabrication it's a 8w weekek period for them to fabricate and then send to us. These samples were stuck in customs four weeks >> and we had to ask for a second one and I
didn't know if there was anything with the shutdown. I don't know if that had any impact on that. I really don't know. But Diane was she knows all the UPS, you know, the drivers and she was giving me daily
reports and she ended up asking for a second set to be sent um to her um because she said I can she saw the pictures but she said I don't feel comfortable saying you know it's an expensive project if if she doesn't see
the the real deal. Um, so the the last the second one came in three days. So, but anyway, then this one arrived almost at the same time. And now we have one and and she has one and
she asked them to um tweak a little bit the color. She thought the blues were not so bright. So, she wanted a little bit brighter and she said the new colors. She's fine with that. So, we're giving the okay for the fabrication. Okay. >> And now we have this period of eight
weeks to have this um site plan done and then the construction. So it's going to be a kind little bit tight >> but uh we will work on that. So we happy that this is moving forward the third uh do you have any questions on that?
>> So what do what eight weeks so when do you think it'll be done? So I think it's going to be March right to be honest until we have everything done installed whatever because they need to arrive creative signs are the ones they're
going to keep it this was already in the contract and the other ones to install >> to install those big pieces it's going to be you know >> couple of days I would imagine to do that then we have the landscape then we have the
>> landscape has to be done after right the sidewalk walk and the side preparation has to be done before the sidewalk and then install the wings and then the landscape and then we'll have
a date for us to have unveiling and the um Lucas Nursery is still involved. So they're going to provide probably part of the landscape. We don't know exactly the deal. We needed this side plan to be able to for
them to um cost estimate but they are the ones that brought the idea of releasing some butterflies and the thing. We are hoping to to do a nice unveiling and you know >> I would I would guess in March but now
I'm so worried about guessing as the name by being very optimistic and having to extend um some of our deadline. Um the the next one is the unveiling of the unveiling of the Jolie project. So, it's
going to be December 11th at the clubhouse in the Gold >> 3 p.m. >> 3 p.m. Um, it's not going to be a big deal, but of course, we want to invite you all to
be there or whoever can be there and we will invite Carrie Dam and city council will be there as well. And what is that? Oh, I I Oh, I go back to I jumped number five. I went straight to
jump to number six. So, this is 11, but we we'll send you an email to, you know, for you to confirm. Uh, the other one was Art in Chambers. Um, that will be the official date is December 1st, but already there. I don't
know if you had the opportunity. >> No, it's gorgeous. Really beautiful. It's very colorful. Um, so I think it's was a nice contrast also with with the previous one which was gorgeous too, but it was all black and white. >> This one brought, you know, some some
lights to uh and colors to the chambers and um December 1st we have a ceremonial item. So I would like to offer for the um you know the board to be the one presenting um the artist. So I don't know if the chair wants to show there or
any other um board member or all board members if they want to to to uh engage that would be nice too. And this ceremonial item is already in the packet for council. So this is already confirmed. And the last update
is also a good news that we received a 5,000 contribution from a developer to our public art fund. >> And uh and now we are in a better situation. Although we did not pass the mandatory contribution that could not
go. But now in the in the new LC that we approved last year, we have a minimum contribution because before we did not have a minimum contribution for the public arts. So it varied from I think $500 to $25,000. So it was at
the generosity of the developer because it was um understood back then if that if staff proposed u specific amount would be considered an exaction right like a tax
or or any position. Now in the new new code the rate the way we broach is that because it's a mitigation and it's one of the possible mitigations that developers can choose to and that is to offset u a deviation on the standard of
a code because you can choose uh if you choose public arts the minimum contribution is 5,000. It's already said in the code and that kind of elevates a little bit for us because Yeah. 5,000 and you know
>> so we got the first one so we are happy that you know we are again you know bring some money back and and also I don't know how much I will spend um from the wings of joy because we still had um
actually $17,000 in the wings of joy 5,000 for irrigation 5,000 for um landscape 5,000 for lighting and 2,000 for the black because we having those sponsors coming in and
I'm hoping they will all cover the cost of the site plan that maybe we have some money return to the public I don't know or we'll cover some the the expenses that site
>> so I know um you had mentioned that Axel um donated $9,000 and that was specifically for the wings of joy because of the development going around there. >> The way we are organizing you know those sponsors now is that they will give in
kind um contribution because if they donate money to the public art uh fund we will have to take to council to be able to spend those monies. So what the way we decided to do for the contribution for the Lucas nursery for
um uh the landscape company and now >> because you said the landscape was um 15,000 but it's really valued at 40,000. >> No he gave a 40% discount. >> Oh 40% I apologize. >> 40% discount it dropped to um but 40%
discount is his contribution >> right for the project. So the project it's c the l the side plan with the landscape with the hardscape it's cost 15,000 to um for the plans and um
>> and that does not include the 9,000 the inind donation >> the in kind is going to be the the project submitted to us >> right so we are going to recognize the sponsorship >> from the 15,000 you know from both both
the landscape and the and the day back. So, >> okay. >> So, the 15,000 include the 9,000, >> right? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> 15,000 with a discount dropped for 9,000. 9,000 the back is going to pay
for the landscape company. So, it's not going to come to us. >> It goes directly to >> them. That you receive in kind contribution. We don't have to >> to go to city council. They they're going to provide to us the site plan with all the specifications
and then now we're going to he's going to try to find um sponsors to um provide the concrete provide you know the previous we have now do the construction on the site right
>> and Dave Axel has promised us in a public meeting he's the chair of the CRA >> so he was he liked the project he was an investor for the project back then. And he committed to find sponsors to, you know, probably to
fund the the project because, you know, at that time it was um a huge still is a huge expense for us, right? Well, that whole area is going to be a focal point for that development and and so it just behooves him to to do
it just as a bonus for him as far as the look of his his development. >> It's it's it's the >> all those apartments around there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That that is the deal. But we are happy that this is moving forward and um so
that's all I have to um move forward at this time. >> Great. Thank you. >> All right. Discussion items. Do we have any topics for this evening? >> Well, I did want to bring up the letter from um the Freedom from Religion
Foundation that uh did anyone see the letter? Has anyone seen you seen the letter? >> I did not receive the letter. I did not see the letter. I know about the letter, but I haven't received it. >> Did you receive it? >> I received it because I know the person
who's involved with that organization. >> Oh, okay. >> And he was disappointed that we didn't receive the letter. He sent it to the mayor and the city council. >> Yeah. Um, but I I he I think he wanted
us to see it and and I assume he would want the parks and recreation to see it too since it's their project as well. >> I think they they they they are aware of the letter. I did not receive so I did not did not share with you because I I was not sharing it.
>> Um yeah. Um it's I think he's jumped the gun a bit. The Freedom from Religion Foundation is a national national foundation that is their whole mission is separation of church and state. So,
um I know him. He's he's come to talk to the League of Women Voters on First Amendment rights before and um he's a real he's real passionate about this issue and he attends all the city council meetings and make sure nobody's praying
or anything. So, um, he is very concerned about the installation at Round Tree Park because there's churches involved and he he's concerned to show he he it's not him, the foundation, he
reported to the foundation, but the foundation sent the letter. They're based in Wisconsin. um that it it that um it's in their view we should be honoring people and not
religious organizations >> and that that would um that would make some people not feel welcome or not feel like it's a part it's for them and that was what the letter was. I think he's jumping the gun because we haven't even
picked the art yet, right? I mean, we've picked some of it. >> So, um I'm confused. >> So, this is the project that is not is not led by us, right? Right. >> That with the with the city attorney. >> Well, the city attorney said we weren't doing anything wrong.
>> The city attorney has reviewed it has and said that there's no >> there's nothing to review yet because we don't have the art. No, I think I think my understanding is that the um the issue came because in the list of subjects >> it said churches
>> to be to to represent and remember this is to represent the black history. >> I know I mean you can't talk about black history without talking about the church really. So, so that is the point from that the the city attorney made to us is that um we cannot change history,
>> right? the history show if you if we are to you know this is one of the topics this is not and this is was topic number I don't know what and we don't even know if this is going to be represented >> well exactly there is nothing >> that's why I think he's jumping the gun a little bit
>> but even if there is so it's part of the gift even if there is any kind of representation there is nothing that um >> there is no infringement of any you know any rights or anything so he he assured
um Paul Beldon who is a director from um parks that the city has done done nothing wrong >> and we couldn't move forward but it's not really our project so I don't know what will be our participation so >> um Paul Bell this came from a branch and
Paul wanted to the board to know about it and he came in twice already to share yeah um what is going on >> but I don't know if we're going to be the ones picking up the the projects because this is the community. They have done a huge survey with the community
and they want that the community around >> they have a group of people who will be choosing the art. >> It's the OCIA which is the group um uh citizens >> and another organization >> and they're a nonprofit organization
>> and they have been involved. So this is going to be displayed in Raleigh Park. is where we have the mural, the first mural that issues a lot of >> and they're also the ones in charge of the MLK parade, the big parade that's always at Round Lake and the festival
and everything. I think Paul may bring it back just to share with us as he did right the artist and and and the vision that they were discussing but at this point there is no concrete um um
projects u approved but I don't think >> that will come to us it's just shared with no but I think it and it's something for us to be mindful of >> absolutely yeah but I did not share because I I was not part of anything nobody sent to anything. So I I
>> I can share I can send you the letter if you want. >> Oh yeah, good. And and if you want we can share with with the board but I it was I was not part of it. >> Right. And and again like I mean it is in our project. Exactly. And and the only reason I he sent me the letter is
because he knows me. So um but he was the instigator of the >> Okay. Well attorney the first when he heard he called me and said what is going on with this? And I said, "What are you talking about?" I don't know which, you know, and then I we
clarified, "No, this is not coming from us. This is random parks." And but we had a discussion here in in the director's meeting about that. So that's why I'm aware of that. >> And that issue has come up in um previous projects from I think two years
ago. Um, well, yeah. Um, you know, I I was wondering why Well, I was just thinking about the Christmas tree in the in the city hall, but um I was just talking to my daughter. There's there's a exhibit
going on right now in LA called questionable monuments or something monuments and it and it's um the exhibit or monuments from around the country that have been um problematic and some of them of course are the um confederate monuments
>> but others you know some other things and and it's a whole exhibit on those how you handle something like that you know it's a public art and yet you know they're controversial. That's why here in our everything you know comes through
this board and then it's approved by council but even the art in chambers they just you know people could have their own you know representations of art sometimes art is to um reflect sometimes is to you know trigger some
you know discussion right so it can be pmic as well can be controversial as well >> but uh we we pass by everybody body so that if everybody thinks it's okay, it moves forward. Even in the arts and chambers, we are careful not to.
>> But sometimes also >> people see things I I've heard the previous um attorney that would uh work for us, right, Julie? She would bring some controversial things in Sanford that
>> nobody saw as controversial but one person you know so it's it's art has that power right people see different things >> but we try we try to be in a >> in a safe environment for everybody but
>> and I think with this particular project we're just here I think when Paul comes for um support or I mean our opinion but just it it's their strictly their project their funding
>> in this case >> in this case but generally I think to be aware of that >> since we do approve things and we did with the messiah this came up with the opera >> um the first choice was the messiah and we discussed that and decided to do
something >> secular >> and which is why I asked you about the secular Yeah. >> Uh on another subject, uh when we did the ratings for the entertainment logo, it worked out very nicely and smoothly
to have a scale to use and we were able to look at those um at a leisure and give a rating number and then those can be tabulated for a really good way to
reduce 60ome. um designs down to where it was four. Um may I suggest since we have projects coming in maybe as soon as next month and the month after that we
make a scale that we would like to use worth evaluating this project >> a >> so we get out ahead of the >> Well, how did the other one come? How did we get the other rubric?
>> It came from the step. >> Yeah, we I think we stipulated based on the criteria. Yeah, some ways right to uh and I I have to see if we already put that in the call to arches, I have to revisit the project. But that's
something certainly we can discuss and if we are not ready so at this point because of Thanksgiving in the the deadline of November of course only having had one mural so far I don't know if we're going to have group of it's not
>> timing for that. So we it's if we don't have we can communicate to you all and extend the the the deadline and then we could discuss >> what is the the ideal number of
applications you're looking for that would mean okay we've hit a quorum >> I would not expect 66 but the more the better you know okay that would >> you know not reaching but if we have 10 15 you know So,
>> and I'm sure I'm sure like the artistic hand is getting, you know, that information as well. I'm just saying that that's a local artist studio, you know, and in the high school and the art department's there. Um, I presume so because they get the city
communications, right? So, >> sometimes artists wait until last minute. >> They always do. >> I'll share it in the group chat again. >> We had a testimonial. I've heard of two that might apply, but
>> well, I think my I um my my friend a muralist has >> has >> well I don't know is was the one from Courtney um Kenova Courtney Kenova is um person I know. So he said he was going to apply
>> this name. Yeah, this name is I think it was probably >> the brain was um um constant sap >> this name I don't know and I would not be able to share because it's >> we don't want to to to share the names
of the artist right we have a blind um the review, >> but I really don't remember so I would not be able to say that now. >> I'm not an expert in evaluating art, but in my mind there's at least there there
may be three possible things that we could consider. One would be artistic vision, another one would be suitability and another one would be a connection or a portrayal of Oda. So I will throw those out for discussion. So that is
already the the call to arches already has the criteria where how it's what we don't have is the is the rating >> right. So so how do we translate into that into say a 10point scale? >> Yeah >> that's >> well you have to have the the things that we have asked them and then you
look across and say what would be superior >> and you have to make some kind of description of how that would look at a superior level, a mid level and a low level. Are we giving different points for different things?
>> Yeah, you could each each thing could be you could say if it's superior, you're going to rank that at 10 points. If it's in the middle, it's five points. I'm just naming the numbers. It doesn't matter necessarily. You can make it a fivepoint scale, but you have to use what we've asked. >> Yeah.
>> We can't now add stuff and we can't phrase it differently than the way we phrased it to the artist. >> No, we can't. Legally, we can't. Well, >> right. >> Academic I don't think since it's already been publicized.
>> Yeah. I I mean I I haven't seen the call to argue. >> It's just not good practice to then tell somebody to do this and then call it something else over here in the evaluation. Not okay. >> Yeah. >> And the rating we can discuss and um
since all the projects will be evaluated with the same scale, right? And with the same criteria, I think we we have some flexibility on how much we we rate. >> Yeah. Because with the uh with the logos
that we evaluated, didn't we give it a few different >> three? Three, right? I think it was >> there were two different categories that we had to store them on. I forget what they were creativity narrative wasn't
>> was it what they was confusing to me. So I think articulating what we mean by narrative >> is important and that was something that when I was evaluating it I was confused by at the time >> as we got around talking I think the
right decision was made and we all knew what we were talking about but it wasn't clear from that rubric. >> So we could certainly do something with a rubric to make it clear that we all agree on beforehand and we have some kind of way to um uh account for each level. And back to Keith's point, I
think we talked about suitability under creativity since it was just those two. I think that was a lot of our discussions about like it's a busy design if we shrunk it down. We were talking about that in the realm of creativity, but >> it still did come up. Suitability is a
very important part of evaluating. >> Yes. So that could be a >> everything in there will appear. >> But also wasn't suitability also like reproduction. How will this look on a hat? >> For example, >> and how will it look in color versus >> black?
>> Some looked distinctly acceptable in one and not the other. Yeah. Yeah. >> Since we're talking about the logos, um I had lunch with Brian De meter the other day and he was curious about um
the reversion of rights to um artists who applied um designs to it. Do they completely have like free reign to do with those designs what they they're good? >> Absolutely. Because we did not bind them. >> Okay.
>> I mean, It's their their design. Yeah, >> we only bought one. >> I didn't want to say yes, go for it. And then >> but can they use can they say veto? >> I don't know if they can use the if they have >> entertainment district.
I don't think they can. I think that's >> right. Well, another thing too is a lot of times artists will um say in their resume that they've submitted something and you know and and that it was under consideration. It it helps with their
resume, right? And listing different things. So, um that's and that's perfectly fine, you know. Um >> well, that's true, right? in the top five or you know the short list public records of everything we do
here. So >> if we were seeking to have kind of like a passive flow of income for the public arts fund I know we talked about the idea of using some of them as stickers. Um, I didn't know if we wanted to revisit that and like reach out to some
of the artists to see if they would be open to having stickers made that could be I don't know if they would be sold at city hall, but people like stickers a lot. So, that could be a good little >> I think the only thing with this one is because there is the official logo. The
official logo it will go into the code of ordinances. >> Yeah. you know. So, I don't I don't know if we want stickers that >> Well, if we could ask them to like tweak it to just be like Obito generic instead of like entertainment specifically, like
if they would be open to tweaking it to just be a more generic OTO version to be used as a sticker. I don't know if that would be require a separate call or >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That would be another action,
right? we will have to go to council. We have to, you know, >> I don't mind. I mean, we all think it's a good idea. The only >> the only I I think that we don't want is having other logos competing with the
right because that was the that was selected through the process and now it's going to be the official logo. >> Yeah. >> Or the art district. But I like the idea of um >> just since we have
creat um we may think of doing >> selling it. Selling it. Yeah. Printing it and selling it. >> So what what is what is the status of that? I forgot about that. >> Yeah. >> We just haven't and it's >> we haven't made you haven't made a
decision on that. >> We haven't. Let's put that for next week and think about next month. Put that on there because I had forgotten about that. >> I mean, it's see that's that we're selling too. >> Well, I think businesses might like that, you know,
>> and especially if they're on the map, but I don't know we have any business I haven't I don't remember if they're businesses on the map. >> No. Um there are no well there you can infer >> that this area may have but we we >> I think we should sell it to the
townhouse for their placement. Oh yeah, >> there you go. >> But we intentionally did not want to have >> there is the police, there is city hall, there is, you know, but not >> we'll make it police by some. >> Yeah,
all of fire departments. >> I have some updates for everyone. Um, just wanted to give you guys some ideas of some things that are going on in other parts of the county that connect to Ovito. Um, the first thing is on October 12th, SCAC awarded $28,000
in grants to local nonprofit art applicants. One of the applicants was the Johnson Hills Washington Heights Community Outreach Group, which is based here in Oido. They >> And how much was that? I apologize. uh their individual grant was I don't
remember off the top of my head, but there were 10 applicants awarded just shy of $28,000 >> a piece. I just >> No, intal the whole program. >> Okay. >> Um that particular applicant for Johnson Hills, uh they do their annual
African-American uh arts and culture event at Oido High School in February. So that will be happening again because that was funded. On October 14th, the Semino County artist of the year was announced at the county commission. Alton Williams, who's
from Alultimont. He's a writer and historian and cultural preservationist was chosen. Um interesting thing just to kind of make you guys aware of the city of Sanford is proceeding with um their public arts
commission has decided that they want to proceed with a poet laurate city poet laurate program. So that is going to be in the very near future. They are in in search of that. um whether there might be a county equivalent uh was very
briefly discussed and although um that really probably will not be happening at any time in the future on the county level um I did say I would mention it just so you guys know what what they're doing up there. Um, on November 8th, the Semino County Student Art Showcase was
held in partnership with SCAC, the city of Castlebury, and Seminal County Public School District. That included over a hundred students uh also from Ovido High School and Hagerty High School. And there were several students who won awards. There were five categories: art,
drawing, 3D, mixed media, and digital art photography. Off the top of my head, I cannot remember what Obito and and Hagerty won, but they are on our website. And then the final thing is the county arts gala. I do have a date for that. Just kind of save the date. Be
aware in the back of your mind. That will be on February the evening of February 7th, Saturday, February 7th from 6:00 to 9:00 p.m. at the Longwood Community Build. >> So that's what's shaken. Um we >> in the >> we were asking you for um like a
template and I forget what it was for. >> So you had asked for um some procedures of art in the chambers and I've been in contact with them. Um learned it kind of sent us down a rabbit hole. Um which I think they're still kind of working on it which is why I'm guessing I don't want to speak for you that's why there
hasn't been an update. Um what I can tell you is interesting things I learned. Um, City of Castleberry has a verbal informal policy. They have no written one. City of Sanford does not have an ordinance itself. They have a
procedure, a staff procedure, which I did get a copy of and I've sent to staff here. Um, right now, as far as we can tell, having reviewed all seven municipalities in the county, no one in Semino County has a written ordinance or a written procedure of this type for
arts in the chamber. Um, the closest we could find was some belief, although I have not pursued this just because I've been slammed, but the closest ones that exist would be city of Orlando and city of Warner Park. >> Actually, the county Orange County does
um a big the big chambers and I'm I'm pretty sure they have something. >> Well, but the thing is a written policy governing it. That's the that was the rub because city of Caspbury, city of Sanford and the county all have these things. But we were trying to find a
written was there a written policy? Was there a written anything in ordinance or anything like that? And the answer was no. At least in seminal county we can verify that. But this I think it's kind of a still we're waiting to finish our homework on that. >> So that's what
>> so we have to come up with our own. so far. >> Um, you know, I'll tell you, it's one of those things because this has been one of the questions I've been getting in so far as, you know, why has this not been done or what are the pluses, what are the minuses, and really because there is
we're we're still at what at least I didn't realize when I started going down this rabbit hole, what was a very early um part of the research process since no one in Seminal County, although we have these programs and you would think that that would make sense that we would have
these things written down. Since no one in Seminal County has them, we can't really tell you why we don't. And if it's a good thing or bad thing or, you know, something that's a double-edged sword, which is why I'm kind of broadening my research looking into Orange County. So, I'm going to try and
get a further update for you guys by next month. So, TBD, I would say, at least on my end, for what I can afford. >> Yeah, I'll I'll be honest. I need to um research that as well. I think there are and we need to consider both sides. So
having u does not having written rules give us more flexibility right on on how we choose you know so having but we are government so having some guidelines it's also you know at this
point we don't have people competing you know saying why this went first whatever we we are just um chasing you know some applicants you know to uh and uh
so it may help in the future to have some guidelines but not having the guidelines help us be more flexible. That's all. >> How did this come up last time? I can't remember what it was the artist that we looked at his slides. >> I can't remember his name. I was not
here, right? >> The guy who said his power, I think we created a PowerPoint with all his different art he wanted to play in the council chamber. >> Oh, we were talking he was in county. We didn't we were asking was he an actual
resident of Oido? >> Oh, it was the res. That was one of the things. >> Well, I think there was also a question of secular versus >> Oh, yeah. He said have religious >> secular and non-seular and also um the res. >> Those were two issues. Okay.
>> He had plenty of >> There were a lot of there. >> Yeah. Yeah. We we wouldn't we wouldn't have to have the religious ones. I mean he had plenty to choose from. >> Oh yeah. I remember the Yeah. >> It was very cubist sort of.
>> Right. Yeah. >> Can I bring up another Oh, go ahead. if yours mine doesn't have to do with this topic. >> Mine doesn't matter. >> Okay. I just wanted that um people so this can go in the um minutes or not the
minutes just um is that um we invite um the other boards from the cities in Sund County to to um like when we do the wings of joy um that we specifically invite them because that's kind of like
our piece of response like the really big thing that we've >> worked on and I think it would a really nice, you know, event to invite them to. >> I think that one have to plan the events, right? I think something. >> So, I just wanted because after you were
sharing that information, I think it's it's always helpful to know what other folks are doing in other cities and and and and inviting folks to when we do things as well. >> And on that note, I can tell you there is definitely a hunger for that type of
just awareness. I attended a ribbon cutting of um god that was only last week I think although it seems a lot longer ago. The city of Sanford had their rededication of their city hall which has been recently remodeled. They
have a beautiful public art installation outside the actual city hall >> and that their public art board was uh a part of that ceremony and I know they would have wanted you all to at least be aware of it so that you could have attended if you want to so you have that
awareness to take that knowledge back because what they're doing in in showing how um different ways than I think what Ovito is doing it's it's neither better nor worse but different approaches I think can strengthen in so far as insight and what
what everyone's doing because you know sometimes reinventing the wheel is not necessary and so having that knowledge is I think very helpful whether you use it or not >> good idea
>> and then um I just wanted to extend an invitation to you all to the win emerging artist exhibition that I'm a part of that is opening this Friday evening So, just in the same vein of like going and checking out what other uh localities are doing, uh the Mills
Gallery is a nonprofit. So, I think there can be interesting people there that it would be very good for us to talk with and springboard ideas off of in terms of public art and then you can enjoy some fine art, too. So, >> what time is it? >> Uh 6:30 to 9.
>> I send everybody the invitation. >> Yeah. And I'm sorry, what is your website? Um, or your >> semininal cultural arts.org. >> I know I've written that. >> We do have an email newsletter. It
doesn't go out monthly, but maybe by monthly. Um, I do encourage you to go to our website because you can sign up for it and then you'll get our our email. >> Okay. >> Seminal cultural or culture arts. >> Cultural. >> Okay. >> R A L. >> Okay.
>> Arts. The council is not on it. >> Okay. >> Someone already had that. >> So, it's cultural arts. >> Arts with an S. Any other discussion items for tonight? >> So just confirmation. Are are you coming
for um the temp the meeting or >> December 11th? No, the first >> for the um the ceremonial item to unveil the >> Yes. >> the captain's happy >> now. And then Jolie is what? What date is that?
>> 11. >> December 11th, 3 p.m. >> And do I need any um information to you? >> Okay. >> And I'll be there, too. >> All right. Great.
Well, I like the idea of um what Keith said about, you know, creating the room brochure. It's as so that it aligns with what we've asked the artist to do. Um I haven't I mean, I saw the call the
artist. It's on the website, so we could do that next meeting. I guess >> I think it's good to be prepared especially, but it is a tough time of the year. Mhm. >> So can we put that on the agenda for next that >> it's already there. So we discussed the
ranking right >> and if we have um uh >> do you remember what the criteria was and I know there's a theme >> I would not remember but it's um certain the narrative is there. So I think the so for the centennial
>> it's past, present and future, right? >> Future >> and um so um I remember but we we can try to open it and read it but um it's uh the connection with the video >> I have to explain that. So that that's
the narrative. >> Um >> that's open. >> I will make a rough draft of one and bring it to the meeting so that we are working with something. Great. And I'll have >> So we we have the the criteria there. What we have to step >> that's where I'll take it. Yes. >> Yeah. >> I'll go right to that site. Yeah. So I
won't change anything. >> Yeah. And give the the some a ranking >> and the ranking is what you said um >> not sustainability. What would what was the >> suitability? >> Suitability and
>> I guessility. >> She wants to see what you wrote down. >> Yeah. So, one of them was artistic, one of them was suitability >> for the space. >> Okay. >> And then the connection or portrayal of
a veto. Get that on there. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> I I have a few copies at home on my not home in space of the >> of the call. >> Uhhuh.
>> Yeah. I don't see it. Oh, okay. Reflect community. So that number two is suitability. >> And then again number three is suitability but
a different >> Well, there they are. There are your criteria. >> Exactly. >> So you need some descriptors for what that looks like at a high, middle, and low or whatever how many rankings you want. >> Yeah. How it how >> we need to be able to articulate that.
So we're all so there's a consistency >> low would be they painted though your old watercolors >> there's nothing more >> it could be anything that that's that's up to us >> because on the application requirements
there is something near the bottom about the artist having to close their their connection like that feels like that's part that's a kind of an important >> it is >> part of >> so that's part of the narrative >> they would have to say that and they wouldn't have any points that they
didn't mention it >> so what like number five that's certainly something that has to go into the to it >> five and six >> five and six >> the schedule >> and then the biography We don't really
break that. >> That's not >> Let's listen. Um, >> so we we were just discussing discussing um basically the the application of the project criteria to an actual rubric kind of dissecting it. What I was saying
is that because art is expected to be subjective and you're expected to when you're reviewing it have some kind of criteria that involves just how much you personally believe that it meets or matches what you're looking for. You don't have to actually um reflect each of the exact language of the project
criteria in the rubric. You can add some more language. You can change the language a little bit. It's not going to implicate any legal issues because this isn't reflected in any ordinance or statute or anything like that. um because you're including because you did discuss um suitability and that's
reflected there and the values and culture of veto that can be on the rubric and you can also add information or criteria that just is you know what what was it artistic integrity >> artistic vision >> artistic vision um artistic artistic vision you you can you can include
language that just reflects how much you happen to like the work that's okay and it's not breaking any rules in relation to the project criteria Yeah, >> I think it's good. So, we can put if you all agree, we can even discuss now what criteria artistic vision. I think it's
>> it's a good one. >> The um connection to a video, right? So, it reflects the the especially the one that is on the centennial, right? Has connection with and the suitability for,
you know, I agree with all three of those. Yeah. >> And then how much? >> Yes. >> A scale of 10. How much you would give to the vision? How much you give to the connection to them and
to be suitable for public pedestrian you know environment that kind of also limits a little bit right >> the fact that has to be painted with external for I mean that is a given right has to so I mean we not going to
accept any material that is not you know suitable for Did you have an idea for the scale, Helen? >> It's not the scale that's important. It's being able to synthesize. See, we've got project criteria up there. Then we've got application requirements.
Some of that is also criteria. And then we have additional requirements. some of that is also >> so um to Teresa's point we can consolidate some of these things as long as all of that is reflected >> with certainly a clear intent that we're
if not using the exact same language so it's not confusing so it's not confusing to us as we go through it but then as we're giving them the rankings whatever they are could be any number you want we have to say well what does that mean not just a number that's a valid way of evaluating it's a kind of a checklisty
way But if you really want to get to the point of what is artistic, >> and of course we're using our interpretation of what is artistic, that's why we're on the board, >> right? >> And that's why they're the artists. So that is that part of art. >> But you have to have some way to explain what these things mean,
>> these rankings, these numbers, these letters, whatever you want to give them. >> So we could like start at like a one for each of those three. like a one narratively speaking the mural has nothing to do with like just establish that baseline
>> the values and culture of aud community in downtown landscape just just start that. >> Yeah. So you could say for something that what we what would we say if something was absolutely superior has a mature reflection a deep reflection an accurate deflection maybe something here
would be accurate here would be deep the highest level >> what values in culture have >> you know it's no reflection doesn't do it at all that's a zero if you just don't know do high middle and low which I think for this is probably >> good enough >> we don't need to go to 10 so it's a high
middle note so reflects the values of cultures of obese OS community um >> and downtown landscape. >> You can show say something like attend the artist shows a deep understanding of >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Um and accurate for the
middle or imagination, but you have to have some way to express the different levels. >> Yeah. So we can talk about it. Yeah. And so there's too much here. It's not if it were if everything if we were only going to look at one, two, and three,
um that would be fine. That would be easy. We could do it right now. The problem is, and this is what I found with the other rubric that when we were doing the um >> the logos was that we were also in inferring what was in from the other like application requirements and
additional requirements. >> Well, requirements are kind of you have to complete the entry for I mean that's not we're not going to give a a ranking to that. But how about no but we did have number five and six >> well the narrative so that it's put the vision
is going to be explained >> okay so reflect the >> right >> so then we have that in the description so the narrative of the vision was mature and um >> well I think the can be number four >> because the art has to reflect it and if
they want to talk about it in the narrative that would >> well I think I think it's important to under application require requirements. It says to be considered. So are they are you even going to bring them to us if they don't >> all
>> if they don't open the form there's no >> right but if they don't >> but here's the question for number five and six when I was doing it the logo >> I was looking at the piece of art as the description of the narrative was the
piece a was the the visual narrative right but then I think other people were looking at the actual writing >> I was waiting the writing. >> Yeah. And I was not. So that's made if you really want to know that made that evaluation invalid. That's not a valid.
>> I was I was doing what Helen was. I was not reading. I was doing the visual. >> Yeah. >> And see that's not clear. >> That's true. And I was reading the writing and it they didn't say anything about their interpretation. If we do this, what we'll end up with is much
better uh calls for for uh projects in the next the next >> it won't be as ambiguous, >> right? Yeah. This is a evaluation assignment thing is circular. >> But it's too late and I think um >> it's not it's it's not too late. No, but
I mean to go back I just but I but I think we can um cons I think for our judging purposes like you said and like you volunteered to do is to make it more concise and combine some of these >> and and I think that would be helpful
for us and not feeling so overwhelmed when we do the judging >> and it would help us with focusing on what we're judging better. What aspect? >> I'm just gonna put up together a draft and you can do anything you want with it, but just to show the
>> That's nice of you to volunteer, Helen. >> Helen. >> No, but it's important. She's absolutely right. >> And I'll send you the um Dolly, I'll send you my little word document and then we can just do this right together right on the screen and it won't it'll
be a lot e shorter than what we're trying to do now. because it I think it helps the artist too if it's shorter and >> Oh, and the artist should see the rubric as part of the submission. >> Totally.
>> This is how you're going to be evaluated. >> That's right. That's what we do with kids. >> Discussion. >> All right. Our future meeting date, we have Wednesday, December 17. All right.
And if there's nothing else, uh, we can have a motion to adjourn. >> I to second. >> All right. So, we are adjourned at 6:38.
Thank you everyone. Thank you. >> How are you? Down. Here we go. Heat. Heat.