learn that I'm just totally against it. That's not it, Sarah. So, I don't want to be in the paper like that. That is not it because you remember last our last meeting. I did not even comment and it was on purpose.
I I I believe in it. But what I here's some things I didn't understand. First Presbyterian Church was trying to help with this situation. They were helping but we the same city of Palaka
went down there and dropped code enforcement on them >> and they were not allowed to do same thing we're doing just providing a place. So if we had I just want to say this I'm just saying what I get and then looking into it. It do seems like that.
So I wanted to be transparent. So, uh, we could have did the same thing, reszone them. They could have got resone. We could have helped with financing, uh, along with Rise, giving their resources to First Presbyterian. But the key, let's be
real, we didn't want it downtown. And I'm okay with that. But I think we just need to be open and say that's just that's it. So, we'll found them another place. And I'm I promise you I'm done with that situation. But I'm not against helping the unhoused. That's one thing.
>> And the reason for the the First Presbyterian is they didn't have a fire suppression system and the liability was so great for everybody involved, including the buildings nearby. Um given the age of construction, if there were a fire, lives would be lost and additional damage could be done. But that was the
issue and the reason for the code violation. It was the lack of a fire suppression system. So it's not quite the same. Not to mention we did give them one year to actually be there. Also, >> may I speak? Miss, >> go ahead.
>> And to go on record, Sarah. So, >> Sarah, no. Code enforcement. The the city the code enforcement did not go out to the neighborhood and the community in that neighborhood brought it to code enforcement. >> We know that.
>> I should have said it, right? >> We know there was a complaint and we I never mind. I know who. So, >> all right. We can move on. >> Thank you. Thank you everybody. >> And you'll come back to us at a commission meeting with the details about the building there. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> On to annexation, >> please. Thank you, >> Mr. Agama. >> Another fun time topic. This workshop deal with the annexation specifically the enclaves as you know uh the commission directed us to look into
a program of annexation of eliminating the enclaves. >> Mhm. >> Um and the elimination it is a policy of the state to eliminate all anes because you know of the uh the lack of
efficiency that we have in the provision of utilities and services. in the enclaves. Uh we tried to address this in the past. Um one of the tools the best way to address the enclave was through an inter
local service boundary agreement with the county. We forward this idea to them. We presented at the city county uh joint meeting and there was not a lot of interest part of the county pursuing such agreement. Uh the purpose of this
workshop is to just to explore a little bit in more detail uh what is it it is about the annexation the enclaves what are the benefits to the city what benefits to to to the property owners and also we would like to know since we
have a lot of enclaves wanted to prioritize which area we like to to tackle first. uh to that purpose, you know, we look into the bay leaf uh >> area
as a model for us to see what consideration we have to take into before we embark into a program to annex. So I'm going to go a little bit quickly. You know, I have a PowerPoint presentation um
and I'm going to go through as quickly as I can. First annexation procedure by the state uh it is governed by Florida statute 171 is also known as the municipal annexation or contraction act and there
are two common ways to do the annexation in the state. voluntary annexation uh which is the most common method and is originated by a petition by the property owner to annex into a municipality.
The other one is the involuntary annexation which is a process that requires a referendum of votes of the register body within that area. Most of the time it's more than 50% of the vote in order to get annex.
And the requirement for annexation basically very simple. The land has to be reasonably compact and it has to have a continuous boundary with the municipality that's going to be anx into it. The legal procedure
for the annexations is municipality is required to qualify by adopting an ordinance to annex the city. I mean to annex the the area and we must follow obviously uh public notice
advertising and hearing requirements that are very specified in the statute. We looked a little bit what the volunteer annexation uh benefits would be for the property owner. We identify a few and I say these aren't the only
ones. Uh the main one is that parcel can connect to centralized water and sewage. We a lot of cases a requirement for development especially big developments are required to to to hook into water and sewer services.
We believe the high quality and more frequent services to the area uh better public participation in the local government uh more efficient police and fire responses and a strong compliance with municipal
codes which at the end protects property values. The main benefits to the city increased tax base and revenue and we have more uniformity within the city limit which increase the efficiency of
providing the services like police, fire, trash collection etc. I want to touch a little bit about the anklate. Uh basically an in is it an
unincorporated area that is surrounded completely by the boundar of the city and uh usually is often targeted for mandatory annexation. As I said, you know, it is the policy in the state to eliminate all the angle in the state of
Florida. And the basic goal of uh the monetary annexation is like I said before is the elimination of service delivery inefficiencies that we have when you have with enclaves.
This area can be annexed via interlocal agreement. I mentioned the ISBA or a special ordinance if the anchor is less than 10 acres. Such annexation often requires 60% voter referendum approval if the anklet is
fewer or smaller than 25 acres. I'm sorry, 25 votes. We just go over a little about the legal definition. Uh it is what is written in the statute. I'm going to just pass a little bit.
uh the contiguity requirements uh usually is prohibited in in Florida. However, it does permit voluntary annexation of enclave if there are contiguous and there are compacts and obviously if it doesn't create
another enclave sometimes there are places in Florida that I seen before that they would annex into an an eclipse and create another one sometimes smaller one but they create another that's not permitted by state touch we do have like I mentioned earlier um a
lot of ankliffs in the city and We felt that we needed to prioritize in order to see back on our program you know we can uh embark and for that purpose we selected the bay villa as a model area just for the
purpose of discussion and analysis. The next one. Yeah. So this is the enclave or we call it Bailey enclave. In reality uh this existing enclave have many subdivisions in it. Baileyville is just
one of them. There are seven subdivision with this enclave. Bay Leaf Gleason Wells Pinehurst Balaca Grove Shadow Lawn Heights and
it was very difficult to obtain you know socioeconomic data for this particular area that we're looking at. So uh we have to look into the census track census data and census track 4
is the this anklay is within census track number four uh it's a large track you can look at the next map if you see this is census track number four and the bay leaf and the whole
anklay is within this area a lot of these area is undevelop is not developed. So uh I think for the purpose of our analysis I think we can rely on the socioeconomic data that we have for this track. I think it would serve as a
reference uh for the rest. Roughly this enclave is about just over 355 acres. Um the bay leaf anklay contain mostly 50 by 100 wide lots.
with some variation of course uh usually have 30 feet wide dedicated right away and they're all platted in blocks with corresponding numbers. Next. So, some of the information that we
found in in the census track uh for which this ankle is part of. Uh the area has about almost 4,000 people and a total of about 1500 households.
Uh the average has an average of 2.61 61 uh people per household which is higher than the national average which is 2.53. There are just about 1500 employed people and an
unemployment of 3.2 and the wealth index is 33 which is way lower than the national average. We also look at the income data. The average income uh for Florida is $69,670
a year. The medium income for this enclave or this census track is 46, $179. And therefore, you know, this track qualifies as a lowincome community per
the census. Other data is like poverty indication indicator. Um in the area there's about almost 4,000 people know uh poverty is determined about 1500 just over 1500 are below the
federal poverty line of 42.2%. Now the next thing we wanted to to look into is uh the existing of uh utilities the water utilities and and sewage lines uh in
this enclave and for that we did a we had this map. What you see in blue are the lines where the water mains are which is near the bay leaf and this enclave but it obviously doesn't go in
the water main stations. Uh this next slide just shows you know if we were if the city were going to annex this enclave these are the kind of uh water m that we would have to provide
in order to provide services of water and sewer to the anate to the to the enclave. >> You see it? >> This is so good. >> Yes.
I'm looking. >> Okay. Can you go to the previous slide? >> Yeah, I have red here. It's here, you know, to go over in more detail if you need to. But that one shows where the mains are. That's correct. Yes.
>> 17 yellow just so you could see the where 17 was for the dividing line. >> Right. So I see AC >> AC notes this kind of pipe the line on old
Jacksonville was Yes, sir. >> Mexico. Um, no. That's where um, for lack of a better word, the Handyway is and RNJ, it's not RJ Power now, but where
>> the uh, lawnmower place is. >> And they had >> Okay. >> All the extensions are done by people that needed extensions. They paid to have them done, >> right? >> Yeah. Like for instance, James when James A. Long was built in 1960, James
the school board put that 8 inch line down Old Jacks. >> And then the sheriff's office put the water line down 19. >> That's why those lines exist. >> Yes.
>> Yes. 17. Yeah. >> Yeah. Was an industrial development. >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. >> This one um say 2008 or somewhere in there. I I had
a 8 inch line put in from Reed Street all the way down Dunham all the way to Fourth Street to boost up the entire north side. And then when the new Family Dollar was put in, they board that across the
street there. So that's what that gentleman that was in here a few months ago was gonna >> his property >> is just the ditch of the railroad >> keeping him from it like 40 feet or something >> come off
They're they're where this green property is. So, they have to come from either the corner of the ballpark or under the road. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm park.
>> Yeah, the footage was a little I looked at it both ways for them. The footage is longer across the park which makes the cost You're shorter one way, but you have to bore and you're longer the other way, but you
you're grass. So, it's kind of a wash >> about 4,000. Yeah. 1500 households, right? >> Yes. >> Would that translate to 1500 properties or 1500 utility customers?
>> Yeah, those are those are household. Yeah, >> that's what I thought. Oh yeah. >> Yeah. It would have to be voluntary obviously and and the next slide that we were showing was what would be needed in order to extend the the water service to
the area to the an Yeah, that one. Not legally. >> There are a couple short runs of two inch in there that Yeah. I can't >> Nobody else can account for it. >> Nobody else can be hooked up to >> So,
>> yeah. So, so um this is going to be for our chiefs. you know, we we're extending and I know I want to make sure we understand that even if everyone came in, it is uh a a revenue source, but we
have some associated expenses. Okay. We're not there yet. Okay. All right. I just I have to look out for my chiefs. The next slide, the next uh slide is the sewer just to show you where the sewers are. And it's very busy this slide. Uh
but the green line is what shows, you know, the >> the sewer lines, >> the the green one, the green light. So you see, you have to go all the way inside in order to provide And and yes, to that to your point, Commissioner, the last thing that that
Red provided was how much would it cost >> the city to to annex this this enclave and provide the water and sewer and it came out to about about $40 million
versus like what I show you before the socioeconomic data and the ability of the people, you know, to to pay for the services. So, this is the kind of thing that I just wanted the board to to be aware uh before we embark in a program, you know,
that we're going to go doortodoor uh trying to entice, you know, property owner to annex into the city. And for that, obviously, we're going to have to have a program that uh will provide incentives, real incentives for them to be interested in coming to the city. And
therefore, you know, we need to also consider the cost of us providing those services. And this is just for water and sewer. You know, it doesn't take consideration police, fire. >> So, I think you and that is what you asked, Commissioner Davis. I would like
each police each >> or And that's doesn't take into consideration of the capacity of the pipe. So where do you have to send it to? >> Yeah.
>> Go back to the this one green. >> Yeah. >> So from 17 to 19, you're going to have to put a lift station in to take in this side. We want to call that side 200.
So you put in a lift station here to try to put gravity in this whole section. Pump into this horse mane. Where does this horse mane go? >> We have to put a lift station in over here. All of this gra all of this gravity has been extended as far as it
can go. The largest force or large gravity line here you see is 18 inch. But it's hard to imagine that this gravity line goes >> all the way to
>> Moody Road and St. John's Avenue. Mount Taper Church is the end of that line. Gravity all the way to Mahulland Park. It's hard to imagine. >> But the hilly train of Pala was their friend when they were trying to lay Gravity Stewart.
So all of that if you can imagine a paca all the way over almost gravity to my home park. So this line here runs very full. So you would be trying to pump all of this side to get into that large line
which is running pretty full. >> So that's considered growing pains. If we're growing, that's just like if someone come in and plan to actually again uh to build develop that area. Um
we would consider the same thing. So that's part of if we want to grow. I'm just thinking we have the this area those areas that are surrounded by city properties, city water, sil, but we
bypass them and go all the way out to Francis and provide what you're talking about cost so much and our fire and our police will have to bypass these areas to go out to go out to those the 309 and
stuff like that. So, how could we in good conscious say, you know, >> to heck with you guys, we we we're going to spend our revenue out here with people who are not basically surrounded like like like that population
>> of city services. >> City hasn't made any of those extensions, but we're paying the price for all the extensions now. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, let's even go even further. We talking about the bargeport. Look at look at what we passed by to get to the bargeport. So we, you know, so we
look at as cost and again we have to find out how to recapture it. That would be something I feel we should really really look seriously into trying to do this. And there's also grant funding. Okay. So I want to go to funding because I'm I didn't say let's just do it
without a solution. There is a program other counties we always piggyback from septic to sewer. So I think that's one of the things uh we kind of direct you to bring back. So where is that where where are the stats for for the subject
to sewer program as we speak? Matter >> of fact we just spoke about that in a meeting about 10 days ago. So we are still in the midst of it researching it trying to understand how it can apply to us but we are looking at it
>> cuz what I know is St. John's and Klay County St. John's inherited a lot of farmland and all in the Hastings area, a lot of acreage out there that down there providing well that's the county providing uh services to and then you have Klay County which was a lot rural
in the Middleberg area and Green Cove. >> So other areas are doing it. >> They're growing. >> We're growing. So we can't just say, you know, we we got these enclaves and you just quoted the statute 171. we we must
>> oh yeah >> pay attention to it and do it. So the first thing is when we start talking about the funding and funding our our emergency services, let's look into how they were done >> elsewhere first of all and see how we
can make it happen. >> So that that that's that's what we actually um kind of like charge you guys with doing not just with we know it's going it's going to cost a lot of money but we need to get the money and we need to know how we going to do it. Now, that's just me being an advocate for
trying to make that happen because I'm just gonna tell you, I know a lot of the residents that live out there that's been out for years, they own their properties. And I just had two people call about the septic. I didn't know it cost that much to get a
septic tank done. So, >> it's not good for our aquifer. >> I don't think the sale would be that hard when you start telling, "Hey, listen. >> You wouldn't have to worry about that if you had sew uh city sewer, city water." Um that's just look just trying to help people. So um again if we don't if we
don't look into it shame on us but at least we looking into it. Okay. >> I think we need to explore all the options. >> Absolutely. I do. So >> there's no question about >> Well, I got more of a comment than a question. But you know I I certainly
agree with u Commissioner Jones uh in that regard. I mean, um, we we certainly can't wait until we're forced to do a thing. And I think what we need to do in advance is we we we know we were looking
at these areas. Um and and I know uh Red, you did a good job explaining that, but I think that should have been also part of the information that uh we're provided with this as it relates to what it would take to bring those areas in uh
and and the cost and the various uh options and alternatives. I think that's something that we need to uh be ahead of the curve on as opposed to waiting until something happen because everything else around us is growing.
>> Uh we know that Palaca is growing and Putinham County is growing. So uh you know I just if we can just get that information as it relates what it would cost for us and then again you know the that step the sewer is is a combination
of things. is also environmental, >> you know, uh when those things uh and then from a water test standpoint or you know some sewage leaks and uh among other things. Now they have funding available
on multiple occasions across the years and um again I know that the and not DP may might have been DP but I do know that we was up here even last uh for the for the current um legislative >> legislative session. Uh we were told by
our um >> lobbyists that those kind of things are something that we need to pre be pursuing and aggressively so that and it's just coming back around cuz it was a it there was funding years ago $50 million in in the bank for
um cities to start moving that were not up to par or counties to move from septic to sewer. And so that's a awesome point that Commissioner Jones brought up. So >> you want please >> more items to show. >> Okay.
>> Can you just at least show even if we weren't um as we're moving forward, you want to explain what >> I I was not going to say that, but you know we have
>> like um >> say from Mosley to Palm Avenue where we changed the uh water man before it was re >> St. John's was repaved >> or anywhere where we're replacing the main >> that's what they look like
>> wherever we stop and we're tying on to the existing this is what we're tying into. >> So we've replaced about 20 miles of mains and we have about 50 to go. We should have >> pretty
ting in along and all hust. >> Oh yeah. >> So we can't stop replacing. We have to keep >> Oh yeah. Maintenance is a constant, >> right? >> With getting >> the maintenance replaced. >> Commissioner Bow makes a great point.
Every time we go to tell us about our our pipes and everything. So we've been we've been advocates. Yep. We got 20 >> and that that is showing the 40 million right there that that breakout. Correct. >> Correct. >> What's this? >> And going forward.
>> Yeah. Without without considering the police and the fire, >> right? Without >> Well, and they're going to come up and explain what that means or not. And before you and and just to bring back if we capture those 4,000
>> can we have also what the potential in the income will be as well. So so so don't make one number look so big and we not getting anything because this it's going to work itself out. >> We don't know what's going to happen with the legislature you know about property taxes. So >> right but but again let's be ahead
>> anytime we've got to plan until we know anything differently. and we've got to plan accordingly with what we have. >> The easiest would have been, you know, for the county to agree with us to go into an ISBA that would facilitate, you know, the process of annexation.
>> Unfortunately, you know, it takes two to tango and you only got one. >> So, we still have to try to move on in spite of that. We tried that. We tried that avenue and right now it's not working. Maybe it will in the future. Um, and how we also need this breakdown for the all the enclaves. We need to
know cuz there are several. >> This is just one. >> This is just one and we need to know going forward a plan for all of them as they go forward. Go ahead. >> Legally moving forward in the absence of an ISBA with the county, the only legal method for us to move forward with the
annexation of this enclave is for it to be peacemeal 25 lots by 25 lots at a time. we are not going to be able to involuntarily annex the entire parcel. And of those 25, you'll need a
referendum. So, you'll need to go on the ballot and you'll need to get 60% approval. >> So, this this will be a long incremental process and and the residents will need to vote in favor. >> So, Okay. Okay.
>> That's understood. and and and the the the one that's uh surrounded by you you live on one side of the street, you're in the city, and the other side is in the county. Those the one we could attack first, which is that the that's the Baileyville area, you know. Um
that's that number one area that we were talking about that I I know of those other small ones. I didn't know those other >> u names for those other subdivision. >> Yeah, we got other areas that we can also we should be targeted to. Mhm. But
yeah, but as the attorney said, >> it's piece by piece. So I guess >> yeah, >> small piece by small piece. >> I I we just wanted to give you an idea of what we're getting into. I appreciate >> and and but I think we need to explore all the options that we have and I think
we need to move forward. >> Yeah. >> And let them look at what we we devising blah blah. I know we're not there yet. >> Yeah. >> Have they seen this? Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. And >> that's not final, you know, but it was,
you know, how we put approach. >> I like that. I like that. >> Thank you. And and you still would like Taylor and Sure. to come up and give their input about >> the impact to them.
>> Sure. I'll gladly speak. >> I'll take the opportunity to say for >> Exactly. Um I've already presented to you all uh the opportunity for the staffing study and as you know if we're going to increase uh areas of service it
would also u be very beneficial to increase the staffing levels as well. Um we do know that we are facing um increased uh not only our jurisdiction but increased the size of population for the city as uh the near future approaches and we're going to be looking
into that uh already. So you already have before you the staffing study to show you that if you were to bring in uh that level of uh population as well as properties where we would need to go from there as far as officers and that will be something
that's already provided to you. I'm sure the levels of call for service will increase um and I'm sure uh as far as uh the manpower will need to increase to be able to provide the proper services. >> Thank you. Okay. >> Good evening, commissioners. So, I think
for the fire department, uh, in a lot of ways, we're already responding to that area, especially for fires and stuff. >> Now, it will increase on our medical side because we don't run a lot of that. The county takes up that. So, we that would be some increase there. I'm not sure how much they run. I can start
checking into what the county's running there and try and give us an idea on medical. But for fires and stuff, we're already backing them up and >> a lot of times arriving first because it is so close to our district, >> right? >> Um so yeah, I think there'll be some
increase and we need to increase staff as well too as we've talked about. I think ultimately we need to be somewhere around 12 to 14. Um and we're about half of that. um are a little more than half or eight now. So having that if we could start to
add people even if it's one a year would really start to help us start to move trucks that direction >> and again planning for the future expansion of the city as even as we have this new construction as well >> that's coming in. Thank you. And and mayor, I I just want to say I agree with
what Commissioner Jones said and um I just wanted to hear from our chiefs, but you know, it's growing pains and it's time to grow. We're we're grow you know what, we're growing regardless. Let's grow in the appropriate way that's
beneficial for the city. So, I think that's what we're hearing here. And unfortunately, it's it's big. It's labor, but so is everything else we do in the city. Right. Right. >> But it is time and I I hope we keep this momentum going. So, thanks. Thank you.
>> Okay. >> Thank you, Louisa. >> Is there anything else on annexation? Mr. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much for all the information. It was wonderful. Great. Um, because I didn't open public comment after we talked about folks at home.
Miss Reyes is here. I'm gonna open public comment for a minute because I knew >> Yeah, it's fine. >> We still friends, aren't we? >> Three minutes. Three minutes. >> I just want to excuse me that way as
possible. Um, I'm not I'm not I'm just going to clarify some stuff that was said here. I'm not representing lies because I am just me. I help the homeless, the community just based on me. I'm not connected with any organization but I just wanted to clarify
>> the shelter is low barrier not low risk >> which means that it minimizes the requirement for entry to provide immediate assistance. Now to that end, the COC is requiring that.
Me personally, I think we need additional requirements because otherwise we're going to end up like what happened at First Presbyterian. That's just me speaking. Okay.
>> And no, I'm not in the city. I don't live in the city, but I do a lot of work. >> Okay. And um so the 997 I thought the information you sent says that we've already used 50,000.
>> Did I not read that right? >> Well, you can can answer. Let let Miss Reyes finish and you can answer respond afterward. >> We'll meet about that. Um SMA and the Cooper building SMA does not provide
services in that building. It is a drop in location only. The homeless are already dropping in and hanging out there. So, I get that the the daycare is right down the street, but they're
already there to my Davis's point. Um, they go in there, they hang out, they do activities, they watch TV, it's cooling center during the day. Um, and they eat and that's all they do there. There's no
services at all because I had no idea what the drop in center was and I did drop in to find out what it was. So that's what they do. So to your point, they're already there. Um, what else did I have? The bus and Mr. Eddie left. I
had proposed to the county. I know about the dignity bus from Barrow Beach and I've seen the dignity bus which is similar to what this coachment bus is. Um, will it work as the shelter that we want? No. But maybe the city and the
county can collaborate and have a bus that moves around during cold weather because we don't have anything on the south side, right? So if this bus can maybe go to the south side because interlocking has interlocking soup kitchen
has whatever shelters we open but there's nothing on the south side for the south people. So I had proposed maybe a bus for that. It will not work for the shelter that we want. The shelter with rise will provide the wraparound services. Sorry I just had a
lip. It will provide the wraparound services that the people will need like to Miss Davis's point from start to finish like I did with this couple. It is not a permanent solution by by no means will it be a permanent solution.
It will be you come in. This is what you have to do. This is what you're going to be required to do. We're going to help you get your IDs, your social security benefits, your social security card, your birth certificate, whatever it is that you need. And then we're going to work with the other organizations that
are within our community to help provide the permanent housing and the additional services that they need. >> Thank you. That's my >> Thank you for your clarity. >> And you will discuss at some of the point with Miss Chantel. Okay. Thank you. >> No barrier. >> Thank you. >> I'm sorry. No barrier.
>> So you know what that means? >> No risk. >> Okay. What does that mean? >> That they're not going to create barriers where people can't get in. So really the criteria is lower but I
>> think there's something to work with. >> You know I think it's to work with Ryzen CC about >> Oh I'm I'm good with it again >> and adding the additional requirements. Yes, >> but it's a require >> keys the home. >> Thank you.
>> You're welcome. Thank you. >> On to the next item on discussion direction vacant properties. So, I brought this up mainly um staff and I had been working on this a couple of months ago just trying to understand
what's going on and we figured out um there were 16 potential lots for 16 lots for what's called potential redevelopment. 83 lots limited small scale and 19 are
probably not likely developable for a total of 118 parcels. Uh one commissioner had asked whether or not we had sold any uh parcels and we did sell two one in May 2024 and one in December
2025. So the recommendation we made was um and I want to say something else before I go over recommendation the framework for utilizing a lot for possibly single family residential use.
Uh I think uh the planning director informed me something about 5,000 square footage uh generally will accommodate a home uh as a grandfathering. Um anything new would be about 7500 square
ft. So we did look at uh local zoning um in Palaka and in Putham County. And um those were some of the frameworks that we looked at to figure out whether or not a lot could be
utilize for building affordable housing or anything like that. That's pretty much where we are. We wanted to let you understand this >> before you go. You said 5,000 square foot. It's the smallest. >> Okay. >> That seems large. That is
>> That's huge. >> No, no. We're talking about the lot. Just the lot size. Okay. >> Right. Lot size. >> The minimum lot size in some 5,000 some minimum 7,000 and those
minimum. >> So I mean um you talking on my head so I'mma bring it down. So when we say lot sizes, I have a lot size of 75 by 100. >> So that would be that 100. >> Yeah. I mean there, like I said, each
district there is a requirement for the lot to have a minimum size. >> So break it down like that to me. What size would it be? >> By you know 50 by 100. What about he >> 50 by 100? Is that what you're telling me? What's the minimum lot size? Not I I
can't get to 5,000 square foot. >> It would be like 6,000 square feet. for the zoning district. But there is this one caveat that you need to understand. This is for the creation of U lots. So if you come and try to subdivide a piece of land and your minimum lot area is
6,000 square feet, well that's what you're going to have to be. Most of the property that we have in the city, they're all legal and lots grandfathering even if you don't meet the lot size. >> Okay. So these are
the potentials are >> those are the ones that we're going to evaluate some more. Meaning what I mean by that is from the first level of information we have they appear to be a minimum of 5,000 square footage which is 5500.
>> Okay. That's >> okay. Yes. However, we are going to do more work and pull each parcel to be certain that they are in fact grandfathered in as uh our planning director has pointed out. And uh but we wanted to have this in a workshop and at
least let you know where we are with vacant lots and what we're trying to achieve. We want your we I think we know your directive. Uh and that would be that anything that we can use you know to u so we want to be sure what your
directive is. >> Could I ask a question? >> All right. To add these say potential redevelopment candidate don't give us a address or nothing like that. So it's
not identifiable right now. Um I just had to count out the 16. There's no number number. I don't know how many total lots of are these because >> total lots is 118. >> Okay. >> It would be nice to be numbered so that we see that. So and then then what what
does it mean pending GIS verification? I know it say pending GIS verification but why hasn't it been verified? I mean we this was like kind of like a couple of meetings ago. We asked for it. So did it take that long to get it get this
information? >> Well, um >> in that small detail, there's not a lot of detail that we asked about. >> Am I wrong or am I asking hard question? >> No, you you can ask. >> I'm asking information. It's not giving us a lot of information here. >> Well, I guess my question is
it's I think it's three pages, right? But they're not What? What am I trying to say? Like if I go to page 38, that's the rest of >> Yeah, it this is not printed properly.
This is not usable. >> Okay. So, let's that's that's the problem. It's confusing. Commissioner Jones, >> right? Because it continues. >> Yeah, it's continued. The way they gave it to us is not um >> they're continuous sheets. So some of
the information so this continues >> like page 38 the first line is related to the first item on the report. We do have addresses we it >> yeah this got to be done totally different and so this would continue from a previous page. So the first page
does have the tax. >> We could have did it landscape. >> Okay. Yeah. So maybe I'm asking could you guys >> you need a spreadsheet. Can you guys compile this so that it's easier to read and follow? >> Okay. Yeah, cuz I'm like
this is not Oh, I guess now I get what you're saying. >> Yeah. So, once you get past the tax ID number, the rest of it's on a subsequent page and you can't read it. >> It wasn't >> landscape it and maybe it'll all fit and then you go to the next. But also,
>> send us the report. >> Yeah. And ne next time I want I want to see the the addresses so we'll know >> the parial numbers. We're not gonna go look up par. >> Some of them are unassigned and that means they don't have an address number yet. So sometimes you're not going to get an address number. They just haven't assigned one.
>> They do have addresses there. >> I now I see. >> But it's still >> if it says unassigned that is really what it is. There is no address number to emphasize. So you do have a 100 Memorial Parkway which is the hotel across the street because that's used to be the highrise.
>> What is >> this property next to it though? >> Yeah. >> Adjacent to it on St. John's that technically can be built on. >> Is that really I thought that was I thought >> Clause was lapsed.
>> Okay. Yes. But they own it. >> Yeah. They own it. We don't own it anymore but it can be constructed on. That's correct. We we have the um authority for design review criteria and that's about it. >> Right. At one point we could have >> Yep. But we didn't.
>> So >> got the return of that property, but we didn't act on it in time. We the city before our time. >> Oh, before my time. I don't know about yours. >> Okay. Yes. >> Um but any rate, we we could have had the option to get those back, but we didn't act on it and expired.
>> So there are three buildable lots, but they're not ours anymore. Oo. >> Oh, wow. Huh. Commercial lots. >> Those commissioners, uh, what I would like to propose, give us an opportunity to perfect this a little more where it
makes more sense. Uh, even even what I mean by that is, um, it says unassigned for a 911 address. So, it means we can't give you an address because there's not an address. But then the ones that have addresses,
you know, I think also what might be helpful is uh like for instance where uh planning director is saying 75 by 100 that'll be 7500 square footage. Okay. But then what does that mean as it relates to acreage? So I'll even put
some more transform, >> you know, more legends so it can be more useful, >> right? because the first one up there 237.45 acres but it's unassigned. I definitely would like to know what that is or where that is.
>> That's just raw land almost. It seems >> I just I need to add a couple of caveats. I wasn't sure what the purpose of the vacant property exercise was, but to the extent that we are identifying vacant lots that are cityowned that are available for affordable housing, we are
legally obligated to post those on our website pursuant to the live local act. So if if we're undergoing this process to identify parcels for affordable housing, we have to put it out there for purchase. Well, but what we need to do
is forformational purposes, we didn't decide what we're going to do with it. So, so before you go there, we haven't decided what we're going to do. We asked what properties we own. So, that's for information purposes. So, we didn't say for affordable housing reason.
>> Like I said, I didn't know the purpose of this exercise. I just thought I would so we so we can get that information without it being put out there for uh live local act. And we also I I'll stop with that.
>> And to Miss uh West's comment, I think a couple of years ago, you can let me know. Uh I believe the commissioners did vote for six lots to be treated as affordable housing. >> So, we have currently seven lots that
are posted on our website. There was one developer that expressed interest about a year and a half ago, but no movement. All all seven lots are still posted on the website with no movement. Um I will also share that in this past legislative
session, the live local act was amended to allow churches to provide um housing on their property without having to go through any local zoning hearings as long as it remains affordable housing for a period of 30 years. And we we do
have multiple church properties throughout the city that may be interested in availing themselves of that. Of course, it was an unfunded mandate. >> And additionally, >> it's on their list. >> And there's one more item I'd like Miss West to clarify or explain to you all.
Remember we were talking about it today, the ADU or something like that. >> Sure. So, we also, if you recall, you passed the accessory dwelling unit ordinance. That is a very innovative affordable housing tool that we haven't seen a lot of utilization of where you
can put a whole another livable structure on these lots even if they are the small 5,000 square foot lots and it would double the capacity and provide an affordable housing income stream for the
primary dwelling unit. So, and so today we wanted to share with you what we are doing as a team. Uh we're getting more and more information. We're learning as well and we will make certain that we give you updated
information. So, as a board you can give better guidance to us. Okay. That was the intent today. And for those that are up on our website, those seven properties that have received little to no response, we also just issued an RFP for a real estate
>> a >> could they list those once we have that realtor on board? >> Yes. >> That might bring more success if it's out marketing marketing. >> So it's online you said um >> if you Google live local,
>> right? Um could you you mentioned about somebody asked about the two you say two properties that were sold. >> Yes sir. And those were the properties >> were they in the affordable housing
quant or they just what what was the deal? >> I believe was 512 EMTT if you recall. That was the house that burnt down >> Mr. Brunt. Yeah exactly. And it was subsequently sold. It was um sold by the
the city acquired it because of all of his code violations and then we turned around and sold it. >> Um and they have a restrictive covenant that travels with that. I believe they have to start construction on a new single family residential structure within 5 years. The other more recent
acquisition was December. That was the Davis city of Palaca land swap to protect our wellfield out by the water treatment plant. >> Davis. >> Yes, sir. And what's the what's the deal on that, Davis? First, we swap land with somebody.
>> Yes. Teresa Davis had acquired a parcel of vacant property that honestly we thought we owned. It's near the water treatment plant and within our wellfield and they were going to put in a mechanic shop that was going to pose potential environmental risk and contamination.
So, we worked on identifying an alternative vacant lot off of PRC Way. So, they went to that one and we got our lot back to protect our wellfield. >> Right. >> And that already happened. >> I don't recall that.
>> We did it. It passed. I don't remember who was here, who wasn't, but it I remember it being on the agenda. It was and we passed it and it's it's that has happened already. >> Yeah. And that's why we want PRC talk about it.
>> Yeah. >> So, thank you so much for giving us an opportunity, >> you know, to present to you what we're doing with vacant lots. >> Thank you. Any other questions on the vacant lots? Okay. Anyone have any commissioner
comments? Commissioner Davis? >> No. Commissioner Bor, >> Commissioner Jones, >> thank all all the um work that they provided to us today. >> Any comments, Commissioner Jones? >> I move that we adjourn this meeting.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. What's up?