e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e good afternoon everyone we're going to start the meeting welcome to the Paca Community Development agency budget Workshop June 20th 2024 we're at 2:30 something p.m. I'm calling the meeting to order Miss CR could you please read the workshop notice thank you members Tammy mccal will Jones Justin Campbell Senor Rufus Bor Teresa Jackson Terry Turner you're heard by notified to special called workshops at the community redevelopment agency are here by call for the following dates the purpose of the workshop is to discuss the fiscal year 2024 25 budget June 7th which we've already had and June 20th at 2:30 sign Roberto mraa mayor city of fla thank you um commissioner Jones could you plead us please lead us in the invocation or is pastor mbery and I don't see him and also then commissioner Campbell the colge of Allegiance please yes Lord thank you for this day thank you for this meeting and fellowship as we go do the city business Lord get us all on one Accord as we can make the decision that affect all citizens in this area these things we ask in your son Jesus name amen amen please join me our PL aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all call please Miss Grant thank you so much commissioner Tammy mccal is not present for the record commissioner Justin Campbell present commissioner will Jones pres commissioner Rufus boram is in transit M commissioner Terry Turner here Teresa Jackson I see just logged on and then mayor Robie K present we we uh we don't have a quorum in the chambers but of course this a workshop thank you madam mayor yes commissioner mccal did message me that she uh was going to try to attend via Zoom had a work conflict okay we are going to start with with public comments do we have anybody here for public comments on General agenda items come on Miss roach please name and address for the record three minutes Cheryl roach 312 Dodge Street um yeah I just have some questions pertaining to um the CRA I'm I'm a little confused as to why there are blighted city-owned properties in the CRA are funds applicable for this um to help to help the you know light to Bright situation why aren't any code violations issued in the CRA districts directed for assistance to help to help the city why don't we have a CRA director I've been asking for years what happened to the $40,000 that you were supposed to spend on flower pots for the aelia festival I haven't seen any flower pots the flower pots that are there are not maintained well what about a pressure washer or a paint sprayer for benches trash cans or will they be replaced during the city streetscape that has been promised for years and years and years it is important um the blue crb Festival afterwards there was a stench downtown it was just grimy and dirty it's gotten a little better because of time and because of a few rain showers but but pressure washing goes a long way many of the homes that are left in the CRA districts because people are buying and redoing revitalizing these properties many of the houses that are left there are cases where the application process for CRA and the matching funds is simply overwhelming this is it's just unacceptable it appears the districts are being penalized because of the designation now there are people that are certainly in need of assistance in all of the districts that own homes many of them have been grandfather down for generations and a lot of these individuals are simply having a hard time trying to work on their home just like many people in the city the difference being is they are in a district that is a designated National Historic register and there is money available to and denying them is really a disservice to the whole city because improving the tax base helps everyone it helps everyone so I'm just really really confused and frustrated at this point I'm almost eight years owning my home and it's basically the same I don't really see a lot of a lot of change I really don't you know and you can you can you know toot your horn all you want but um as far as the CRA it's it's just not good and I do hope that you will consider getting a c director to maybe expedite the the reality of what this program can do for this city thank you thank you is there anybody else here for public comments seeing no more closed public comments we'll move on to the discussion second draft of FY 2024 2025 budget m cotti good evening afternoon mayor Commissioners all in attendance thank you um this is our second draft and uh it's becoming more and more perfected as we receive information better projections Etc so this uh version is still reflecting uh 91,000 on page one and the monies that we expect for property taxes and that's that is an increase compared to the prior year budget uh also um the cash balance forward we believe we have figured that out so uh we're expecting to carry forward 1, 282,000 on page one of the CRA budget if you can make it larger but at least we do have our hard copy so okay good so our total budget then at this point is 24,1 [Music] 157 if we go to page two um the comment that was made in the last uh meeting was to add back in the uh CRA director or manager so that information is now there on page two so and it is broken out between all three districts so for the downtown district uh the apportionment is 38,500 with the related French benefits and the revised uh numbers for the budget so for the operating budget for downtown is 429,000 uh is the budget and on page three uh the transfers we expect to transfer out 922 th000 over to better place and I believe that is for the streetscapes and then the total budget for downtown is 1, 539,000 at this point for South historic again you see the personnel there that 12,100 with the related French benefits and the remaining operating expenses starting on page three with that's 7,700 building Improvement Grant there's a noticeable increase there 160,000 we're on page three bottom of page three if that's where you are right so bottom of page three is a continuation of South historic and so there's an increased expectation that we would spend 160,000 for uh the budget and therefore on page four total operating is 435,000 that's with capital out way 101,000 and River Street Tillman 155,000 the total budget for South historic is 493 th000 the north historic we have the Personnel allocation there 4,400 with the related fres and continuing on page five which is the last page we expect the budget for North historic to be 138,000 and operating and that's including building Improvement Grant 83,00 661 with General Capital Improvements 50,000 so our total budget for North historic is 151,152 and if we were to combine North historic uh downtown and South historic that gives us a total budget of 2 milon 1884 157 so this is where we are at the moment with the CRA budget um I did take it a step further and add it in um the projected funds for this year what we expect not to have spent so for there's a page there one more if that's it for the budget can you go to the other attachment okay so that's it all right so looking at downtown uh we we actually received 573 go back out where you were please right 573 th000 in Revenue is but we project the expenses by the end of the year to be a little more than that 589000 the South historic we've brought in 183,000 we expect to spend 133,000 so we expect to have under spent 49,000 in South historic and if you go one page down please North historic we've brought in 62,000 we expect to spend 39,000 so it'll be 22,000 unspent so if you take it all three districts when you look at the total amount that's coming in from property tax or have already arrived 819,000 and we project to spend 762 th000 so we'll have about 56,000 that we want to consider putting it to a project to be completed in 2024 25 and you can go to the next page so this is just giving you a just reminding you again of some of the projects that were done and you can just go quickly um Sunny go to the next place so 2019 2020 just giving you a snapshot of some of the projects that we have done in the past and go one more page and so here we are for 2023 these are the budgets that are projects rather that are in front of us right now uh some are ongoing showing you CR share and so that's the update for the CRA budget are there any questions Campbell do you have any questions on page five let see where the variance um kind of threw me off a little bit where all of the district is 2,100,000 184,000 $157 and probi project it 762 768 but the variance that's a little different is't it that that variance is is that correct um let me just million off okay for the budget for 2024 so uh budget 2024 is 2,900,000 and the budget for 2025 is 2,184 th000 so then the difference between last last year and this year is 93,000 for the budget oh I went from the 762 from the 2 million right okay first no problem I got you thanks for yes sir okay do you have any questions no ma'am not at this time Miss Jackson do you have any questions okay questions thank you so moving forward is there any changes any additions to the draft we want to see there's still quite a bit of funding that we need to allocate we've had a couple of people in the community speak up um about things and as as happens the budget does include now the possibility for CRA director funding for that position but there is also additional funding that we need to consider doing some of things um obviously looking at the CRA plan um is that something we can do for the next meeting is have everybody look at the CRA plan and come in with a list of possible items we do have to allocate and we cannot save this money and not have a plan for it use yes ma' I'll make sure that U we do our part okay thank you well well we saw and you guys do it rather swiftly the projects that were already on going let's see some of those projects reach completion date I think we already have some things can you go back to that sunay please you say you come back with a different list I mean we have a list and a lot of it say ongoing could we check off some of that stuff I think if we do some of that money will be spent am I right am I off city manager I mean CH in you have uh three projects on the first page that are ongoing um with uh share 11,400 12,000 26,000 um we do identify a good portion of them that are completed but um the the big items are the building impr Improvement which we don't know how much we're going to spend unless we get applications for that so there is the possibility for us to identify new projects um and we can continue to push forward on the existing projects I think also for the building Improvement Grant and I think Miss roach alluded to this people have difficulty filling out that application and also it's a reimbursed program um people that live in the districts in spite of the presumption that wealthy people live in both those districts that's not true they have difficulty coming up with the funds to put out first to be reimbursed that is a challenge for people my opinion if they could do that they would probably already fix their house um so I the Home Improvement program that used to exist um it was uh the city administered it after the South historic district had a committee that administer administered it rather and then the city did but basically the city sought the bids it's a lot of work but maybe if we have a CRA director there's more an ability for that person to either guide people through the application process for the big Grant or come up with some new grants that may be more user friendly um if you don't are familiar with grants and this is not a difficult one the big is not but if you don't have any idea about writing grants or responding or collecting monies um getting bids it it is very overwhelming and it scares people away so maybe if we can facilitate that process with a CRA director assistance that would be great or look at some other Grant possibilities we've had others we've also talked about attainable housing for municipal employ employees and even the school district within the district um we did have a Lial you work program that is no longer funded it's somewhere in a file somewhere I have it actually one of my files um that was also done in cimi where basically people got somebody who was a Municipal Employee got a little bit of money towards their down payment it wasn't substantial amount from the CRA but it encouraged Municipal Employees to live within the city limits um which I think we'd all like to see over time so those kind of programs I think we could look at them again maybe update them revise them the facade Grant again too um so that downtown starts to look like we want to see it um those those things don't exist anymore and I think if we have this funding even after all is said and done maybe we can look at some of these things to move the CRA the intent of the CRA forward so I'm going to dust off my copy of the CR plan and come up with some ideas for the next meeting because we need to kind of finalize some of these thoughts anybody else I add I guess a suggestion or concern that one will say is that Teresa or is that Terry Okay one minute I'm trying to hear you can you hear me now we can yes sorry go ahead okay I've had a a few people a few citizens uh voiced some concerns in reference to um funding that the CRA has and also how do we reach out um to Property Owners um a big concern that was brought up to me was the old calary church that sits off of Reed Street and you know and the appearance of that building and they ask if we've reached out to Maybe the owner uh to assist with uh doing something with that building so I don't know if that's something that we can include um in our plan to maybe reach out more to property owners and assisting from you know the CRA level of a you know helping them with improving their properties are you referring specifically to the old M table Church yes specifically to that church was the concern that was brought to me okay District um I don't know how we're at this point getting out the information about when the grant opens Mr Bell do you know how we communicate that to Property Owners we are publicizing it on our website and with this next round we are sending out postcards um to everyone within the CRA District about the um the availability of the building Improvement Grant okay because I know the owner of that property I believe is in South Florida they not here per se so yeah and that's a private I think he's a developer could be wrong on that but so I'm not sure sure but anyway yeah so I'm sure he doesn't know about it I'm not sure if he qualifies frankly and that status but it is a shame that that building is being so neglected right regard to that kind of picky backing off what the mayor said um and going off of what you're saying about the postcards for those individuals that live out of um out of town for lack of better words is there a process that we can possibly certify something to ensure that they're getting it um I mean what other method can we verify that that kind of stuff is being received by citizens I mean by property owners who are no longer local yeah the there's the difficulty is certifi certified mail is one of the ways that we can verify tracking the mail um when we do that there's an considerably higher expense associated with reaching out to them if we were going to try to do that for everybody but if there are specific properties that we know of like Mount tab uh the former Mount Taber church we can we can reach out to them individually and utilize these extra measures uh in order to be able to make sure that we're tracking it and there's communication and I'm happy to do that if if you know of specific ones that uh are an issue um my office is happy to reach out and make sure that we make contact that is isn't that property currently going through the code enforcement process I believe there what I believe it is so that that was my other question are they responsive yes yeah um again with the old Home Improvement program which then became as well commercial the focus initially before it was open to everybody in the C was those Property Owners with code enforcement violations that didn't have the wherewithal that didn't have the wherewithal to do those repairs in in restoration so uh I'm not speaking specifically to this owner but there may be if we can Target some people in the CRA that are getting code violations and see if they meet the criteria that might be a stop too to help them get out of that M that's increase focused on those yes yeah and we're also open to any other suggestions that you might have and ways that we can enhance our Outreach I mean even if it means that we need to go knock on some doors that's you know within the real of possibility and I I personally got two postcards making me aware which is very sweet but I mean I a not eligible and be that see that was kind of a waste so I don't know if we can go through that I know it's Tak again it's labor intensive but to go through the mailing list and not waste efforts on people who don't need to get them and also I'm I'm not sure if this is the appropriate workshop for it but I know Miss roach um brought up an idea about having um lighting Downtown St John's and maybe reflecting off some wall paintings or whatever the case may be um can we entertain that idea from a budgetary standpoint and see how much that would cost absolutely if we want to have decorative lighting to enhance certain features other than Street lighting and sidewalk lining that's something that the CRA can definitely take into consideration as a a separate project and are we also including the new banners in the budget new banners for the street lights because we're getting the hod we had to be able to do that is that a budget light item I just may have missed it and I'm just hold on one second I know the hardware is uh the actual banners themselves um we may want to set aside some funding because I I'm sure we want for certain holidays we may want them for events like blue crab or zelia Fest but um even notable I've seen other cities where they've um put on B as notable people historicly notable people from the community and recognize them um so I think we need to have a budget for those banners because they do add up in cost um that that would be good as well and I see the public art was increased can always increase it more the mural committee thinks it's strictly for them and there are other forms of public OD as well so we want to have other groups have the opportunity to also benefit from that we and have some nice features of color and art artistic public art downtown um and have a focus on the Ops in the community um and and also since we're on that where are we with the um flower pots that we approved um for downtown that Mr hner you know the status of that Mr Bell with RHP so the the funding was for the acquisition of flower po pots um I believe the pots are H are going in um I'm not sure about the maintenance of it and uh where that ball was dropped I thought that was raliz Paca that volunteered to kind of maintain or rally the downtown Merchants to maintain I already take care of one that's been there for a while but it keeps moving around I think also part of this is finishing the streetcape you don't want to put them out there until the sidewalks are done because they're going to be shuffled around and they weigh a 10 ton um so I think there might be some sense in waiting for for that to be finished as well what mayor I think I mean it's all nice and good to try to have some of the merchants downtown but I don't think that we should take a uh a lapse in care of something that we um approved and it's a city owned so I I mean of course we all get busy but if we don't have the merchants that's having a Buy in of course it still falls back on us to make sure that that kind of stuff is maintained so I would definitely like to make sure that we moving forward try to get it maintained properly and not so much count on Merchants to do our jobs it is something that um several communities entertain as a on a contract basis where you have a vendor that's responsible for it if that's not something that we want to do here then we can uh our Public Works streets folks can be the stop Gap to make sure that we don't lose anything question is how often do we want double check it I think if you really want to hold it to a standard as commissioner Campbell was mentioning we may have to look at contract I think I mean I'm fine whatever way we decide to go and talk to re hisor P again and see how seriously they have the ability to do this that's the question because I know from being the president in the past that if you rely on people one or two get it done and then it it gets difficult um so contract may be the way to go but I think we have to explore what's going on and see how this is going to work okay can can we kind of um can we kind of add that to the budget or at least have an idea of how much it would cost uh for contracted labor with maintaining these planners I did write it I did note it okay and I'll make sure and try to get a cost to include and if you notice that um professionals well not professionals but the maintenance we do have maintenance contract in downtown 355,000 there is a line item there okay so they want to try to find out what is it covering we already be budgeted another thought possibly um and we see that Mary Law and Browns the kiosk is being dedicated this Saturday but maybe we could have some more Heritage there some downtown that very dirty I might add um kiosks that give a little more history about significant buildings architecture and events and people downtown and maybe if we have we can create a Heritage walking tour by having some of those so perhaps C funding can be used to purchase some of those kiosks and kind of move that process along working with the Historical Society to come up with the content commissioner Turner any input not at this time Madam mayor Miss Jackson any more input um no I think that's that more than enough thank you madam mayor okay commissioner Campbell or commissioner Jones okay with that said what our next steps will be to prepare and be ready really to be more concrete for the next that's correct yes sir okay thank you I would remind you that in the agency if I may that this is the last CRA Workshop that's scheduled for the budget then following workshops are regarding um the commission budget so if there's more desire to schedule a workshop let me know I think with the um additional uh suggestions suggestions that was made today I think it'll be of importance for us to take in consideration having another CRA Workshop um and then again bringing serious conversations around the everything that has been spoken about but specifically the C manager thank you do we have a motion to adjourn this meeting well motion to ad okay second okay we we adjuring this meeting we'll take a brief Rec recess and then of five minutes or so and then we'll come back to the general budg 3:15 315 let's do 3:15 just to be safe we going to get e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e talking in the background please um we're going to call this meeting to order City commission budget Workshop June 20th 2024 4M um Miss CR could you please read the workshop notice yes ma'am commission members Tammy mccal Justin Campbell senior will Jones and RI Forum you're hereby notifi special called workshops of the pla City commission hereby call to be held at the following dates city hall 2011 nor Second Street pla Florida 32177 purpose of the workshops discuss FAL year 2024 25 budget June 7th and June 20th at 4 July 12th at 3:30 July August 9th and August 29th at 330 please govern your serves accordingly Roberto mcre mayor thank you roll call please thank you commissioner Tammy MCO is not present for the record commissioner Justin Campbell present commissioner will Jones here commissioner Rufus Borum present mayor Robbie CA present we have a quorum in the chambers Madam mayor thank you I am going to open the floor up to public comments is there anybody here for public comments seeing none closing public comments on to the discussion second draft of the budget for fiscal year 2024 2025 Miss K again hello mayor Commissioners all in attendance thank you for being here so um I want to preface the beginning by saying that um the objective of our budget workshops uh per city manager is compiling and providing the Commissioners with um well we met with each of you individually and this is how we came up with this list of initiatives that Commissioners are interested in so that was our first objective secondly to provide you with a budget draft that would include a more realistic uh number of the salaries based upon the previously approved step and grade salary schedule and then uh also uh preparing a draft Revenue uh report which is in there uh but it's conservative there are lots of information that we still need and the desire is that uh you would have an opportunity to see and discuss items that you're interested in and uh we're also going to make certain that each department head at our next budget Workshop have an opportunity to present PowerPoint president presentations so I just wanted to say that if you look at the staff report in the uh agenda itself it lets you know that this is our second scheduled budget workshop and um there's several items that have not been received yet simply because the process is independent of the city has not yet been completed by the state primarily uh things such as trim that's not done yet hasn't even started um the um there is um a meeting that the state hold is called the revenue estimation conference that has not even been held yet and and the results of all of these various meetings and processes are a part of our budgeting process so we will begin to see that information towards the end of July I'll do my very best uh by the time we have the July 12th meeting to even add more of that kind of uh information into our budgeting process but the main uh item is that the salaries are more in line now with the that step and grade and the directors have given me uh the bulk of what they need there are still some more information that's coming in some came in today so naturally what you have in front of you is prepared um prior to what I rece received today I just wanted to say that uh at the time that this budget draft was prepared revenues were more than the expenses but now that I'm getting more information in from the directors uh that is quickly [Music] changing and with that I can uh I would like to start with the Commissioners uh if you could going through the initiatives because that's probably the most important thing today and uh not really sure how you want to proceed um I'd like to defer to the city manager at this point sure thank you Miss cardi so uh you would recognize many of these items um these are items that were derived from the one-on-one meetings and again thank you for your time set aside to meet with Miss cardi and myself um to look at your uh goals and objectives uh with regard to items in the budget and so at this point we have feedback from you individually and we would love to get some uh idea direction from you on collectively whether or not there is commission support for including some of these items in the budget so if you want to take a look at the uh the ones um starting from the top and working our way down to the bottom the ones that are at the top had the majority of support meaning that it was mentioned by multiple Commissioners um during our one-on ons and the ones near the bottom had less commissioner is mentioning them so um starting with the first item uh transportation for Citizens micro transit or higher independent Transportation um is that an idea that uh has broader support and uh what we will do once we get that feedback from you is um start to cost out uh and include those cost items in the the uh budget when we say I know what transportation of citizens is when we say that um we have a system ride Solutions that's will fully underfunded are we talking about the possibility of giving them additional funds to make this more viable for our citizens um specifically for Paca residents or a whole new those are possibilities that uh um incl including that yes and and um you could that's one way of doing it you could bring in a whole new solution uh you could fund existing Solutions or we could look at um incentivizing there's a number of different ways that we could approach that depending on what your feedback is I mean what's more economical for us at this point I don't think bringing something in totally new um will probably be beneficial when we already have something that's implemented um or was implemented uh so I think that would possibly be a more viable option to bring them back to the table to see what we can do versus bringing something completely new um because when you think of that you're going to have to bring in the transportation and that's going to drive the cost up as far as if it's a bus or how you know maintenance and all of that kind of stuff and currently if we explore options that are there as of now I I don't see that for that falling on us outside of providing additional funds so I think as we and possibly as we go throughout these things let's talk about the more economical um component versus a wish list that we know is not easily obtainable yeah I agree I think we have to be realistic um something we don't want to delve into as a city so it be best to probably support what we have again I agree but I think transport transportation is of great importance we saw the deficit that it caused um when R Solutions was no no longer able to provide the services that they did so um I think it's a great importance no my my question is I know there were initiatives to go up to Tallahassee to obtain funding I know we had signed on with the right Solutions in order to be able to help them and also they had uh initiatives to go up and they were there so did they not get any funding this last round no commissioner W I like I mean I just like to understand and know why funding was not given to R Solutions as a relat to that um knowing the need um not only for the city of Paca but just County as a whole yes I can look into that and also look at what it would take for just the citizens of Paca only as a relat because when these these dollars are spent these are tax dollars for the city of Paka just um the people who are impacted in the within the city I think they had information telemetry around that so I think if we um try to just see what we can do to take care of the people who we've been taking care of for years PR okay um a number of cities across the country are looking at how to increase Mobility for the citizens in the community and that's always a um an objective um one of the things that you'll consider if Mobility is important to the commission is um targeting how long you want your weight times to be and typically that's how you judge the the viability of the service is it going to be a 15 minute wait time 30 minute wait time or an hour wait time um and then like you said was it going to be a certain section of the community that you were to focus on downtown um the uh various CRA districts or the entire city when you set those weight times your wait time for the the city limits might be set at an hour whereas your weight time downtown might be set at 15 or vice versa so those are types of things that you want to consider when you set the parameters of what you want the mobility to look like um and then the reduction of cost uh the reduction of uh pollution is also an objective and how you can make that more green and when you set that up because if people are using ride share or these microtransit options not using their cars um and so that can reduce the impact on the environment so those are all considerations there's also funding around green initiatives and so Federal funding is a big part of it coming down the pike and we have somebody that grew up in this area who's on one of those Federal boards who's actually kind of an expert at that and he would be a valuable resource to tap into in the future um to bring some of those initiatives information about those too yeah right so we when we had that meeting with r solution and um they were talking about areas that they're cutting out and most of those areas were the underserved areas we asked them questions some pointed questions and one of them was would it helped them to raise fees internally um and they basically said they they don't know they didn't come back with any information for us um to to um evaluate this father as far us trying to give them funds another thing is uh they didn't seem to want to bring back transportation for those undeserved areas especially the the trips out of town because most of those trips was to doctor's offices and stuff like that that's what people need them for the most um and I would be interested to know why Tallahassee would not fund them and maybe something some information we need to know there's a reason maybe it's not enough uh people that not enough demand so I think those questions need to be asked prior to us I mean we can look into it and but with funding but I think we need to know all the Dynamics before we say we want to dump money over there um for a r solution just my thought if the commission does um deem this to be an important issue these two trains can run on Parallel tracks we can do the background um investigation to see what is the reason why funding wasn't didn't occur but if you do feel it's important we can also look at ways that money can be allocated to either work with um the existing provider or do an RFP to bring in uh um an alternate provider and bring that back to the commission I think we all agree it's important okay so I think we need everybody seems to indicate we need that history information about why funding wasn't allocated at the state level and obviously what the what options we have if we were to consider funding Transportation options for people let me ask this question um with reference to the one through five what is that so we included those columns to get a sense of how many uh of the five Commissioners were in support of a a particular concept that's more of uh our scale that we use um so I think I answer okay that's fine I just want to make sure it wasn't anything that we were that we need to take right so like water and waste water um that's like included in the budget uh but we still listed it because it was brought up in the one-on-one meetings um streets are in the budget I believe pable is in the budget with grants North Area improvements I'm not certain if that's in the budget why do we Clump them all together group them together like they're different Pro we can uh write a separate line now for one of them we were just trying to make sure we get everything in I can write a separate line and would that be for the North Area perhaps well I think it would be for the Improvement North Area improvements okay that's already I mean it was funding already there that was was shifted that need to be to remain there for this fiscal year that's coming up for the work that need to be done I think we want to always there just it's ongoing and we need to keep keep it in place but I think we we have allocated funding as I call right they haven't executed um the areas and they they should have this this they had um the completion of certain things but not the bigger portion of uh certain areas so if you just you if you break that out you can break it out and just knowing that it is a continued priority for the commission uh we can identify we can break this out and identify uh where in the budget we are addressing those priorities and for fiscal year 2425 all right so City Hall and other facilities Improvement um we get affordable oh we did affordable housing attainable housing low income seniors and homeless that's that's in the budget we have arpa and also a grant we don't have a line item for it um and so that's something that we would want commission to consider I mean Commissioners have identified it in the one-on ones and I think we have to kind of break that out a bit um okay when I look at people that are considered homeless un homed um I think we're looking at that that really to me as more of a county not just City that's a largic issue that we need to address as a larger Community not just the city um because they are transient and they're so and and we have in light of the most recent legislature we're going to have to address it in some fashion like soon yes because there are encampments but even with that particular homeless we have money allocated through arpa um with regards to homelessness so does that need to be included in the affordable housing since I mean for this upcoming year being that we do have money already set aside for wait yes if you if looking at the arpa if funds are identified to address a houselessness um in the arpa then it would sit by itself unless you wanted to do something in addition to that in the budget gotcha Miss West so uh in with respect to the legislative bill regarding um local government's responsibility to set aside property for homeless uh there is an exception for fiscally restrained counties so there is no obligation to adhere to that bit of legislation thank you thank you good information and with regard to um the obtainable housing concept the staff is in the process of developing a concept now uh for a program to attempt to address attainable housing um impr increased attainable housing in Paca so if that is something that the commission thinks is valuable then we can include a line item in the budget for that I think it's an ongoing issue again we have to check like oper and all the other funding sources that we've already allocated funds for this particular issue but I think we have to keep it going and keep it included yeah and currently they're included in two different funds fund 300 and fund 101 better place okay and so where it is in the budget that we are addressing it whether it be ARA or budget we will identify that for you so next city hall and other facilities improvements safety concern so this year we do have in the budget already under City Hall um an amount for both City Hall and Annex I believe 300,00 000 for City Hall 50,000 for Annex and uh we have uh different maintenance lines for like Brunson Hall these kinds of uh buildings that's in the 2425 budget yes in the 2425 budget so when you guys present you guys present what you're trying to do what you're trying to accomplish right yes that need to be identified put it out there but we don't want that money just to be set aside and then in three months we decide oh we want to move this 300,000 somewhere else that's that's been happening and that need to stop need to be identified on what use is and we either use it for that or put it back in the general funds out um but we need to move forward with the projects that we project that we're going to do that's what I would like to see just going forward just kind of being forward with you guys with this budget process this year okay with regard to the um the the safety concern that uh goes to the question about um building out more of the annex and being able to address some of the issues that we're experiencing with ADA compliance um here in this facility and whether or not we want to develop a transition plan to address that obviously that's a larger issue but it comes down to whether or not we want to include it in funding can I speak to 8 compliance ada8 compliance is if someone that needs to get into this building we can I think we the ramp outside suffices that now going upstairs and I've heard employees say that employee could come downstairs we all we have to do is accommodate that don't mean we have to renovate the power building for someone to be able to get upstairs with a wheelchair that means that we need to accommodate them meaning if staff is upstairs and they need to meet with that particular staff staff need to come downstairs so just so that we on the same page of that no you're absolutely correct in that uh our challenge comes in when it comes to how do we accommodate staff that may uh be hired in those roles that need to have access to those areas so like they have downstairs office I mean and that's some common sense kick in before we or we have an anex that's the point I think that's what he's trying to say there is a big space in the Annex in the back of the anex a big huge room that now is not really being used I mean it was full of stuff for years but now it's has potential to to be something else you have to look at the cost benefit of the whole thing as it relates and that's what commissioner Jones is speaking yes right what's the cost benefit absolutely agreen and for those other buildings that are City owned buildings that fall within the CRA maybe when we get back and we're not we just have the CRA budget Workshop but we need to look at that for um tman we going to be doing that but when you look at the L room it needs some work Bronson malland at least the grant funding came through which is great so that's a start um I don't know if that will be just a drop in the bucket for that the lodge preservation grant that we got um approved for and it got funded and the governor signed off on so that's good for bronze and O Holland but we do have buildings that we've neglected for many years some in the C some not so we really need to start looking at all of them and kind of come up with some plan as to what needs to be done and maybe a maintenance timetable over time so we're not pouring all this money in at once but we do maintain as needed because there been a lot of neglect over the years okay you want us to move to the next item MH okay email subscription upgrade communication throughout the city and website updating well I think we all agree communication and transparency are important I think there's been some substantial at least for the website updating and improvements it's ongoing though it's not something we can ever stop so um whatever is the current will currently suffice and work for people and I think again it's multiple ways of reaching out to people not everybody goes to the website or gets email um we have a local radio station and newspaper all I think we're going to use every method media method possible to communicate to people I would be interested just for uh research purposes to check in to see what system the EOC utilizes um because I guess well not I guess in times of emergency hurricane and all of those kind of stuff they are really good with getting um the word out whether it's via text message whether via call whether via email communication so I would just be interested in seeing what system it is that they utilize because it's okay being to be and one of the suggestions that came out of that conversation was to also look at the communication software in the school district exactly which I believe is th thrill share okay as a as potential option and then the next one is mental health um I believe it's currently in the oper budget but just wanted to be sure that we want it to continue how would that look though are we would we be re like how would that look okay so one of the specific areas uh ways of addressing that would be the idea of using uh instead of programs per se but having folks that uh can work um doing intake to refer people in those situations to programs uh more as a conduit to Channel people to the providers that can provide better services but and being realistic we lack in Services here and then that goes back to Number One Transportation so when we have the conversation right so when we have the conversation about the mental health and the Outsourcing we have to be mindful that we're limited when it comes down to resources that locally so I think one of the suggestions that came out of the one-on ones was uh looking at utilizing space in the Jenkins facility to provide counselors that could help with that type of referral process not mistaken so I mean the referral process is the easiest part getting them to the well getting to the services is one thing but another thing is who are we going to get them to in our area so I think that's what I'm trying to say there's a lack of resources with regards to providers in our area and I know that simply because working with the school district there's a I mean Mental Health Counselors are stretched thin and so again when we have this conversation I want us to be I don't want us to just have it but I want us to be able to dive into it it's it's definitely important but again I want to make sure that it's something that's tangible for us to I mean with the plan moving forward to make sure that if we provide this option that it's a viable option for residents who are in need okay okay got it and then what do you want to see our population going to you mention Jenkins going to the Jenkins building where we house kids programs you I mean that's a multi-purpose building but some of the purposes you had to kind of definitely separate we wouldn't want that I think you know we have steart Marshall and stuff like that uh that we would refer folk to but I think we need to be careful when we start talking about comingling that's good populations it was also mentioned price Martin that was also mentioned well well what you going to end doing back off of that time but price Martin just to mention he talked about homeless we seeing more homeless people uh gravitating to the price Mar area the Transportation Hub so um I don't know I don't know that's a thought again is that that's the business that we're trying to get into that's a and even with price Martin where's the Privacy yeah that's a well I think you still have to make a determination over the site plan and that was one of the Alternatives that uh we we have yet to dig into for the whole uh Transportation H Hub facility excuse me um in that whole area so that could be something that could be included in in that area if that's I would be interested again as we proceed forth um of course we may have our thought process but I think it would be advantageous for us to bring the mental health um programs that we have currently into this discussion to see where we can fit in um versus us coming up with what we want to see and it doesn't necessarily fit into what we already have um in place so I think with some of these direction from experts in those areas would kind of better help say hey this is what you all can do this is what we don't think that you all can do this is worse because they do this on a day-to-day basis we do this on a budget season of trying to say hey we want to do this but again we don't know how to get it done so I think this would be an opportunity for us to have buyin from individuals who this is that's their job I I mean I agree I we shouldn't be in the mental health services field that's not what I mean funding some other source that's already the has the expertise I agree with but I don't know if we need to find a place for that they they do exist and there are different organizations have gone to the meetings that they have so I think we have to tap into what we have and maybe if we don't have enough recruit nearby but I think we want to facilitate this we don't want to be the the operator of these kind of programs we don't know what the heck we're doing I mean and the question is how can we best facilitate that right so um the the man that come in to our meetings Mr Mr B yes can we help their organization I mean this guy he wants to bring yeah and there's one in Gainesville I guess and that person came to speak when I first became mayor um the person that has their um Clubhouse in Gainesville as as it's referred to and maybe we can reach out to that person again not best and see you know what that involves but I don't again I don't think we we would be maybe funding a portion of that we'd have to get some other input in funding I don't think we can do that alone as a city um to open one of those up but can we work with them and work with the county and other municipalities to bring that particular group here maybe I think the quite contribute tool yeah me too you know we don't want to reinvent the wheel and we don't we don't have the ability to do this more than fund some provide some funding but just you know just looking at the um reports that come in as it relates to our officers having to deal with those calls um and having to transport um people to St Augustine to Gainsville um is certainly a need that we have not the city of Paca per se have a location for them but we fund we help we help fund along with the county and any other agency to kind of help in that regard to provide the services that um is duly needed around mental health and so whatever we can do to make that happen with reaching out to the necessary organizations have somebody already set that up see if throughout the rest of the state has anybody already done those type things already and so how we can potentially Implement something like that and some police departments do have a person and this is Chief CH us da we have a a position in a person that has that expertise to help when somebody is in that state that they can kind of bring them down hopefully um so that it doesn't result in some violence or injury I don't know that if that's an interest that the police department even has they I know there's a victim Advocate and we have that person but I don't know if there's another resource needed to work side by side with the police to address those people with mental health issues help those people with mental health issues Well you certainly need somebody who who's in that field and know how to deal with you know because not all officers know how to deal with that you got people who are strictly that's their field right and that's what they've gotten their degree in and they C State Certified and dealing with people who are operating in that space so um those are the kind of things that we need to make sure that we we we help try to uh provide funding for to help um reduce some of those encounters that our officers are facing I and that's is my last statement I honestly say allow that line to be the money that's allocated with Harper let's get that moving and then consider next year budget cycle if we're going to look to do Beyond I mean we haven't done anything with the money that we've allocated through Opa so again if we're looking at things that are tangible um and that we can actually act on within this budget season I say let's simply stick to arpa and let that be our driving force or our Direction and then again bring this back up for a line item in next year's budget and it is there on page 63 um a oh so um just to speak to what was said it is increasingly the model to have a person uh work with the police department uh for mental health and wellness and um thank you for bringing us back to the issue of the budget because that if it's the pleasure of the commission we can identify this item as a as an arpa item and then move on to the rest of the budget yeah it already is identifies an item so we can move on I think are any others that are listed as oper items that we can omit having conversations today for the sake of being more efficient and effective I think when we hit them we can we can identify them right there let's roll question if we've already identified that these are important why are we going back over not just go through the budget that is like time consuming over something that we already identified that that is important well it was identified by IND individuals and so what we need is the consensus for the direction and that's why we brought this up but if if the commission feels comfortable uh moving forward with this whole list uh not withstanding the ones that are arpa we can price them out and put them in the budget and some of these are CRA maybe even CLG Grant I mean I think you have to go through them and look at the potential sources of funding they're not all General funds I think as we go through them we don't have to have as lengthy of conversations with regards to division now so agreed so we have uh cultural Parks and Recreation programs and events Jenkins any feedback on that as a budget priority it's important and I think they're doing stuff as of now so I think in order for us to get that that thing I mean that place the way that we need it to do is going to take some funding so MH okay should we move on dog parks so it's not not uh from what we've been able to identify so far it's not very costly to set that up um and in addition to that uh dog stations kind of uh baggie stations Cu uh our maintenance folks are running into situations where people aren't properly cleaning up after their pets so we can put funds aside to put those stations in I think we could start with the dog stations the dog park is probably something more futuristic at this point I think if we start with the diso do disposal bag stations that would be a help because I'm tired of seeing it all over the place too and I have a door I pick up so okay uh less crime family entertainment more green just as a concept better place to live um it means a lot of things I don't know how we fund I mean a number of things work towards that in terms of funding I don't know that and of itself so funding true yeah that's yeah I think it's a combination it right okay and we can anytime that we touch on those in our funding we can identify that there yes that it's touching the better place to live bike Patrol and that was C that was definitely just C so that's another discussion not not for the general fund all right public I I missed it c i that was I thought cons to start if that was going to happen and I I I brought that up at the meeting with you folks and that was based on Sanford has done that and their CRA like controls it's actually entire police officers that are now doing a bike Patrol um which would increase people's confidence and comfort and safety in being downtown again that would be I would think funded through the CRA monies and so that's why I saying it's not a general fund issue it's something we need to discuss in the scope of the CRA budget well I think all citizens are should have the same I'm that yeah I don't have a problem with that if everybody else agre with that I'm just thinking piloting it down everybody want to be safe so oh I agree with that so but again then you're funding more police officers if we need to do that I think that's a discussion we have and U safety is the number one priority I think of every commissioner so Public Safety Community Poli yeah so yeah so it's kind of tied in together yeah even the community policing next is you know same issue okay we definitely want any separation of those kind of services need to be a seamless City people biking throughout the police biking throughout the city which is fine I mean this was specific to a bike Patrol they're doing zones yes and how their funding could be different depending on where they are but right that's what they saiding okay and even in this year's budget our Police Department I believe they have four police officers with a grant and maybe he can at possibly delegating one or two okay Public Public Safety and community policing as a concept think there's any opposition to that mention no but grants are short term I mean they you know I don't know how long this grant cycle is but at the end of the day at some point if you're going to hire somebody and and it really helps community policing and Public Safety you're going to have to look at a mechanism to fund it more long term well it's it's like u a lot of things you have Peak Seasons you know you have some Rising crime during a certain time of the year and so chief of gates Cas that when he needs that but it is good to have it in the budget so that is a tool that he have in his tool Bel okay uh Farmers Market again I think we should find the space but we should try to find somebody else to do it we should encourage and support it but we don't want to do it personally as I said right okay uh price Martin hardening the building which is already part of the uh and there's a grant that we have coming for that uh but the issue around Audi visual equipment is something that uh um was not funded by the hardening of facility um we had didn't we get like a well there's funding for for the um Improvement of the overall building and structure so they started outside with the um parking lot yeah already so but I think there's funding for the interior as well that's right hardening of the Interior the facility there's a budget uh I mean there's a grant that we have been approved for that we're waiting for funding to be able to do that kind of work but it did not extend um as I understand it to things like audio visual which was one of the concerns that was brought up um if we want to fully utilize that that uh facility we had need to have a better audio visual system which is not Grant covered right but when you when you think about Audio Visual that's not going to cost you in excess of30 $40,000 so it's correct you know so when you look at it it's it's on a grand scheme of things is super it's not that big so I think that's something that can happen because they've had some a number of events there and it's been very very um disappointing as it relates to when people are making presentations I think it's already been brought to us that something along that magnitude would be around $20,000 yeah so it's so that we will incorporate it in the budget yeah and get especially the sound system right and keep um and and too from the safety the safety aspect where you got cords running all across the floor and different things trip hazards along those yeah well you know my level of frustration over it so okay yes uh okay um all right the commission okay commissioner Commissioners uh there was a discussion about um Commissioners being able to have like projects funds similar to special events possibly at the tune of 50,000 each and so we wanted some feedback on that as to what extent uh should that concept be included in the budget we do have special events in the budget right well I'll speak to it because I brought it up yes sir and working with some of the other cities as it relates to some of the things that they're doing whether it's Daytona or whether it's Fort Meyers or some of the other cities where Commissioners even the county the county their County Commissioners have a budget for doing different projects for the areas and so when we have things that we need we need to uh get done that's already vetted in the process to do I think that's something that um we should be privy to do as well because the county the county got budgets that they do road projects or any other thing we're not trying to talk about going out doing anything to go celebrate or spend money on a special event we're talking about doing things that's um um improving potholes or or small little projects to to improve Parks or whatever else it may be that's within the city's preview that's already [Music] approved and so yeah from what I understood the the movement to identify funds in the current budget was with the idea of eventually going to larger amounts that would be able to be used for things like projects in the future so right that would be in alignment with what the original intent as I was told was for for identifying those funds so question is do we want to increase the amount um and uh focus it on projects right and again you got a model already with the county as well as uh you got green not green but Daytona Fort Meyers and there's others so just so so in essence like currently in our budget we have special events for Commissioners we also have um scholarships conferences set aside for Commissioners so the question that we're looking at or want entain is we would have a third line that would be Commissioners and it would be projects and so we want to get feedback him do you want us to include that in this year's budget not necessarily at the 50,000 but I like it better as as a project something tangible special events are great but I think if we can have funding towards something tangible and not limited to special events would be great I'm not sure the amount for commission seems like a lot no no no no no that's not it wasn't for the um for the special events this right here I said I would like to see it be more something something more tangible right um project that's what I'm agreeing with you and one of the things I was looking at is U I was looking at the budget amount that we have for schooling conference and to the extent that we're really not using using it that much comparatively so it might be a great idea to go ahead and put that okay include that next uh fiber optic uh electric charging station solar Park what okay was that qu question mark like the cars that come in the city go ahead and I thought as I recall Jonathan saying we were we had um some funding maybe it was Grant towards inst installation of electric charging stations I think it would be helpful to have some electric charging stations throughout the city we really don't have a lot of options there are more people are buying vehicles but I wasn't sure what the fiber optic thing was so you'd have to clarify that for me okay sure that is uh the efforts to ensure that um areas of the city that aren't currently being served with fiber optic access um we uh facilitate or encourage or incentivize fire optic service to those areas can oper funds be used for that question definitely yes definitely Opera FS can be used yeah that's my next question where where those are in the city the city most City say the question please is that an issue in the city I guess is the question yes it is where like what areas have we identified I can get the the tracks back to you to show that I don't have have the information on those tracks that's what you want to know who why because that didn't seem like I think there's an issue where again where people F people don't have the funds maybe to purchase the services but I thought the service was available in the city for the most part but maybe I don't know I don't know if that well I'm just saying for the try and add that into the budget for this year without us knowing about right knowing about it is pretty well I think the idea is to give you the information so if you feel that it is something that's worthy we identify or we can uh push it to an hour year or scrap it all together what okay and and at what funding level what funding level would this be that's good question okay well I I'm not sure there's a need so I guess it would have to be established first so I think if we can move on I think of alls on the fence on that one okay or off the fence does that include solar Parks too okay we'll just do research yeah and I I mean I men the urban solar Farms because again that you know I don't know what we're doing when Public Works moves out of that facility we don't want another venue there that brings in lots of trucks and traffic into a residential neighborhood I don't even know how much acreage is there total I honestly don't know but is that a location for a urban solar farm it's a question I know it's wet in places but that was I think what I brought the solar farm not fiber opics right well I don't think Park is a is a good term for solar farm uh but that's something that can generate re uh Revenue to the uh homeowners so or offset their bills okay we'll do some research on that and mix the other items um legislative Aid position um and so uh what was discussed here with the possibility of making that a a full-time role as a uh Deputy clerk style position that would serve both uh to a bird dog legislation to legislative uh uh engagement as well as address some of the shortfalls that we have um and Concession I'm sorry succession not concession succession planning for that Ro we talked about it extensively um I believe that was the desire of the majority of the commission um this roll okay all right um portable water celebration um there was a question on where we stand on that that um we have met the 20 mile Mark I don't know that uh we need to put any additional funding in it but it did come up in the one-on ones and so that celebration is just waiting till the weather is a little less hot to be able to do something out in makes sense if we can do that in the fall to celebrate the amount of portable water new lines we've put in I think that would be great right why what what budget item I mean what will we do towards a celebration it can't be much no not much and that's why it really have to show up and smile it it came up during the 101s but it's not less of a budget issue just yeah so I don't consider a budget issue I just do an issue when it let's just do it do it celebration historic City Conservation regeneration that was again listing getting was that me did that come out of me okay that was downtowns listing on the national and local historic register again that would be CRA or CLG funded more than anything and maybe looking at some other District's neighborhoods um such as Paka Heights and wherever we have a lot of history a lot of historic architecture and we don't recognize that and there's also the ability to get Federal historic tax grants for commercial rehab for those buildings downtown that are on the national register um so it is a source of funding as well potentially but that again to me would be funded in this case from the CRA or even the CLG Grant certify local government okay Municipal Finance um that's just um I don't think that really uh has much to do with all of is is continuation of still pursuing grants and so we're going to keep it rolling code Code Enforcement uh we are currently doing that just wanting you to confirm that yes that is a priority MH better place to live sidewalk and pavement management again we have the grants and we are rolling with that just confirming we also wanted to clarify that we are separating out maintenance and from actual sidewalk projects so maintenance are emergency type situations uh emergency repairs versus actual sidewalk projects yeah that's the change to the budget that we split it in two items so we have sign sidewalk Renovations you know that's like a project then we have sidewalk maintenance something we got to go get done quickly question though um we already had they've done a evaluation of the city already with the sidewalks they should have a status on as to how much how many uh repairs have been done as it relates to the overall footprint of the city so yes sir we we've been funding it at 40,000 initially I think it bumped up to 80,000 and so we just need to understand and know since the time has been initiated to now how where are we how effective has it been this still need to stay in the budget to continue that program okay and it is working to reduce um our issues even though uh according to our ordinance uh is the responsibility of the homeowners it has reduced the number of the complaints that we get the number of um claims so um the investment that we put into that it we're seeing it come back to us multiple fold yeah in addition to our own parking lots and different things of that nature okay neighborhood crime related watch programs that's a better place to live okay keep it going we talked about um houselessness we already talked about that talked about that we talked about public encampment already go together um the analysis on uh the swap Alternatives that's supposed to be at the Forefront of our yes we need to get moving we need to have a workshop or what do we need to do to move forward with the decision on that I requested that we do a a community meeting to get stakeholders input so that's where we can hear from the public on what they feel we move on that um at least for consideration I we ask parts of people but I think putting that out in the public and everybody hearing what other folks say is is important for that type of decision correct personally ask Mr Bill to see because you mentioned it so since we're in the meeting mention it and so that we could get it noticed uh public notice and we meet price Mar somewhere neutrals so we have people come in and talk about it could me the River Center it's not large enough I don't know how many people I think was the suggestion I'm just saying we need to the um due diligence period ends August 15th we need to do that move along and and do whatever we're going to do and get it done and I think I sent a response back on that um going back to the April 29th request for a workshop so do we want a public input on it or do we want the workshop or is it the same thing question when are we going to get the information back from example like our facilities are being rented um not just for just the River Center but other fa other facilities as well when we're looking at even doing something along on those lines we need to look at the Perpetual value over time for what that the rentals from that facility then public use uh in addition to other things that I we we've talked about yes sir and shared so we need to get that information back as well as the evaluation from the appraisal um then how things sit with the comprehensive plan or if swap occur um what what what we're getting for this building is does it have any environmental uh issues that we're picking up that we we we want to take a a a building that's up to cold now we going to pick up another building that now we got to get to a certain state so it's been spelled out that what we've talked about so just kind of if you can get those things I think moving forward I think it will help with a lot of questions I've gotten from the community as well as what um I like to see as it relates to anything as it related potential swap because it's I I don't think it's it shouldn't be a swap unless there's a way that you can it truly benefits the community in a way that where the community is brought into it so you're asking for that for that information to be provided for this Workshop that we need to have from the the various departments that's impacted where we got um cultural Affairs who rent the facilities out you do an evaluation of the property as it relates to the Perpetual Perpetual um valuation on the um prop what it's worth over time so if we get rentals in perpetuity what does that mean you just you can't just say that building is worth $1.2 million it's worth way more than that so we need to look at the grand scheme of things and and um and for public in for public use in addition to other things as part of the uh overall D diligence package that Miss West has been working diligently to pull together I think we've got a lot of that information not all of it but a lot of that information and we can share that or we can have it available like the mayor said at the uh for the workshop um it's basically what your preference is as a commission well I I wouldn't want a lot of information at one time so as you gather it would be nice that we could read over it thoroughly so that we would know what we're talking about and give us opportunity to do some research I mean not well not discrediting your research but your research and then uh do a de a dive if need be but to be given that information at the 11th hour I think it will be counterproductive on this side that's what have but we need to have an ample amount of time so that we could review it and a f tooth it so that would be my request as well with and then to how we how I think I heard uh a commissioner say before how did we how do we get here in terms of even the build how did the building even come up so I think we just need to look at this whole thing in this entirety kind of before we just push a building off and and and swap or whatever and then okay what do we do with the building like we had uh a resident to come in and ask the question I think so we also need to be able to calculate potential tax revenue versus and the maintenance costs that we would encourage the city if we do keep it we have to look at all the pluses and minuses and we have started the process that building that building is older than the city and we don't know what condition it is now so okay so you are in a legally binding cont right now so if you're going to look for an exit strategy on getting out of that contract you have until the close of the due diligence period to withdraw for any reason after that the there's there's no turning back that's what we're trying to move forward and not because it was a dead period and focus just on the River Center we need the information about the other rentals I agree but this is a focus on the River Center that we need to get this assessment Dawn and make a decision one way or the other and we need to do that well before we need to have this little get together Workshop in jly because we need to be ready to respond before August 15th yes appraisal will be done in approximately two weeks it takes a long time to do the commercial appraisals but I have allowed for the inspector to gain access to both of the buildings so that appraisal is well underway it should be no more than two weeks and that will be the last of the items on the due diligence punch list so that I've provided to you so once you get that information in can we go ahead and make a request for an emergency meeting um Mid July I think we're looking at Mid July at this point kind of it's gonna come up real quick yeah it is well I think before mid July wait send a couple of weeks for the appr that's for the appraisal we can have discussion pending appraisal and we I know they have done a broker's opinion but what's going to happen she just telling you we're you're in the contract already and so if we don't move you're gonna be stuck it's no it's no decision to be made right so uh the longer we wait the longer we're we're at risk I'm I'm I'm agreeing with you I'm saying we need to do this sooner than later but it's also helpful to have that appraisal dat that is what is actually look at but whatever okay so in order to get this thing back when we need to staff because we all work on a date to where we can do a community input after we get the information that's requested or the information that's the last part we do an emergency meeting to as a commission to take in consideration what the the citizens have said and then it leaves us with the position to go ahead and do what we got to do once we get the information that attorney West is working all way on with the timelines so two two meetings son Community input and the work emergency Workshop yes okay no we don't want no Workshop we need a we need a meeting so if we need to take action we'll be able to take action okay and and I'm not um advocating that we extend the time but just be aware I believe that we do have the option to extend the due diligence period we ain't looking at that until we get to it how many days I mean there's always that option if they agree to it they have to agree to it that's what I'm saying that's why so we just want we don't want to do that so if we could just move along okay before we move along housekeeping so in that contract it may say you have to this date but you must notify 10 15 20 days it's not in there no you sure all right I think you were asking the same question similar yes so so the question that was posed by the city manager manager is if we were to request for an extension of the due diligence period what what was the time frame that that extension was allowed and I don't recall off the top of my head Mr Bell seems to recollect 45 days I just don't recall but that's the time frame that we were talking about but it still has to be approved by the commission right so we need to we need to do we need to determine if we want to extend it within the time is a lot and we need to know that ASAP so we can make that decision I think I'm hoping we won't need an extension that we can make a decision one way if we have the information and can get this scheduled as soon as possible right and the reason why I put it on here is because if we went through with it or whatever it will impact the budget for next year we got you that's why I put it there okay C facade Grant I think we we have talked about that you skipped one though set aside monies you skipped one item oh yeah that's already on that's that's on right okay it's on this list to okay on to increase Recreation programs um increase Recreation program that's Department yeah we said yes with that continue so that's already in there right yeah Social Security Office yes would that be a budget for us I mean that's Co that's not really I think that's just indirect benefit of uh completing the building the cultural arts coordinator if they volunteer they don't get paid but that's a request that comes from the the department I think that this time there is a decision unit I believe and uh also Workshop team building that need to be at the top we need to I think and this is what I and when I say team building that should be something that is a ongoing thing for the city it should not be a onetime thing and years later or month it we need to build that into the morale of our city I mean of our city not only of our employees but for commission and staff well that needs to be at the Forefront of something that's ongoing right okay and I would love to be able to do team building for staff and team building uh for staff in the commission yeah uh audio visual upgrade at Price Martin and Jin did that I apologize I missed where we set about the set aside monies earned from leans what did we say about that that's right what is that money what is what is happening with that money now so um we are not specifically earmarking funds for um elderly uh repair repair availability homes um so that that was one of the ideas that was brought up um currently we reduce leans um and when we reduce leans it covers our administrative cost I think we've gone down to $2,500 well depending on the circum inexa the it's $250 okay which needs to be increased okay that's when do increase uh the the funds that uh we have been collecting from generally leans which includes uh for example the final Judgment of foreclosure on John's pedal uh was approximately 44,000 um and then we have also been making notices of claims to um Surplus tax proceed sales uh that has yielded quite a bit of money as well those monies are going back into code enforcement at this time and then we are turning around and using a portion of those for abatement proceedings specifically demolition so it looked like it's already accounted for yeah that's how they're currently being yeah I think it's mean it's just if it's if it's in the code enforcement realm where there doing all the work and in when you got when they have to pay you for your administr for your ad it has to go into your department too for your administrative uh Services as well is that all accounted for in there as well um we haven't quite figured that out yet um so I've been taking a a small portion for actual hard court costs for filing fees of the complaints because they're actually pretty expensive can range from $480 to $900 just to file a complaint right so I would make the recommendation that we allow it to continue to do what it's doing for this cycle until we get the a clear process that and then take in consideration the um home repairs in the next budget thank you okay 25 26 budget I don't want to reallocate and there's still an opportunity for those funds to be utilized for administrative and all of those kind of things so we I want to I want us to got to get a grasp on that before we say hey let's reallocate those funds to something else okay now we're at Jacksonville Black Chamber of Commerce Jacksonville Black Chamber of Commerce located at Price Martin or Jenkins I don't even want to talk about that right now that's not a budget item no not budget item all right we just it's again it's something they have requested to have a satellite office here but it's not a budget it's a matter of we're okay that negative okay Insurance risk management again not a budget item but we're we're just bringing that up because it was brought need we just need to know that our risk rating is not over one or near near close to one exactly so you got you got the um you got to grab uh increase events in programming at Riverside Center we need to figure out what we're doing with the rivers center before we that's Mr cutright budget right but that's why we're just kind of it's still it's still it's still the city building this is what this is what they want to do in terms of increasing the activity that's what they're doing yes that's what they foresee in his budget yeah yeah so it's there continue to utilize it as such we don't have a programming budget per se and so that would be uh decision of the commission if we do retain ownership of it establishing a programming budget shouldn't program shouldn't we have a programming budget in general period that's I think that should be already part of what you curent mean it's because it's all cultural specific how don't we have a program because we don't have a culture department so you forgot line something to take into consideration M oh I'm sorry Commissioners and mayor in the River Center or this culture arts department we don't have a certain line that says programs for the rivers itself but we have individual lines that kind of advocate to some of programs that we can run into outside of the River Center and it's in that line budget for special events for the River Center merchandise prepurchase and then some of the programs we run over there we run out of the recreation department budget line because it's actually be a recreation program we could so we need to implement we about to say the jion we need we need to create a programming budget yeah thank you okay I heard you yeah go ahead Petty cabs and Central District that's Petty PG and that would be a you know I'm trying that would be a private entity that I I just threw that idea out there as a a matter of or a method of transporting people sa from the multimodal center to downtown but that would be a private business so I don't think we need to worry about okay um we talked about electric charging stations talked about we said that's going to we'll research it pursue Urban solar farm funding we're researching improve recycling I think that's already set up with theater huh who brought that up somebody I brought up the concept but again it's a privately owned property so it's nothing we can do okay it was just we were I was interested in seeing how we would accomplish something like that but it's a private company we'd have to private owner rather we'd have to work with them Mount tabber the old church that's what I'm talking that's what you talking about okay I'm sorry that recycling is going away I mean that's unfortunate I don't think the city can take that on obviously but it's it's unfortunate I establish welcome to Paca for new businesses that's probably welcome baskets gifts that's a CRA budget would it be yeah I would consider that a CRA budget and even some organization like Main Street ortizes traca even if they ask for some funding from the CRA they do that okay I wrote CRA budget and ribbon cutting events new business already do yeah C and also how to set up business general f chamber that's probably under what planning maybe they don't it's under planning yes and then how oh okay how building official to expedite permitting in the planning and zoning department yeah even part time on contract to start people I I get a lot of feedback from people that are bounced between here and there that don't know what to do and where to go that was all also partly tied into the brochure um if you want to open a retail business in Paca this is what you need to do a brief checklist this going to be more same with any other business but right now people are jumping between County and City and don't know where to go for what I had somebody comeing today asking that that's be a nice a nice budget item I we've had that before and I think we had a full-time person well actually it was part-time but they were and the budget is going to be probably over 100,000 for that position there's a couple different ways that you can approach this if we do it on a contract basis per permit you don't have to fund a specific uh salary level because what you're doing is that you're actually Contracting a bu building official who let's say hypothetically the the permit fee is $50 they charge us $35 there's a $15 administrative fee okay and and and I think there's ways you can do it online to where you can use um what certain Services can be reviewed um where they don't have to actually come be in the office to see very true so I mean it's important that we do have something along those lines that not have to depend on another agency uh to help us in that regard agreed now the one caveat I would throw out there for your consideration is if we do end up with large developments 150 units 100 units that's something that would be significant in size that we may want to go to an individual or separate uh contract to to manage that permitting for that um because of just the size and nature of it but we we will see those that's yes we'll see that coming down the pipe and finally uh utilization of other buildings in the community for community outreach I don't know if that would have an impact on budget no no okay and that was our primary um desire today was to get input from the Commissioners about what you would like to see included in the budget we are asking you to review the attached budget that you have you'll see that um the number numbers are changing as we're getting better information it is still very early it's June and so a lot of living still hasn't been done and also uh attach you do have the revenue uh budget I don't know Sunny maybe you could move place to revenue budget I guess time for okay oh so this is attach uh the itemize uh budget where the numbers for salary is a better number [Music] um the department heads will be meeting with Commissioners individually where all of the directors will answer questions as needed and also subsequently at our next budget we will have our PowerPoint presentations presentation by the department heads you can roll down to where the revenue is like 70 something Pages down to revenue this is all expense right here and just letting you know that uh so 76 Pages for the expenses and now this is revenue and this is just the first uh the first draft of Revenue so as as we get better information from the state of Florida and other sources including trim uh we will then these numbers will become more finite okay thank you thank you very much for your input today thank you any other [Music] questions a motion to second second thank you all we'll be back thank you