everybody welcome to the city commission workshop 2025 and you're in the city of Pal if you didn't know We're going to call the meeting to order with an invitation led by pledge of allegiance led by Good evening everyone Father again we
give you thanks and praise for your goodness towards us We thank you dear God for how kind you've been Thank you for your many blessings Thank you God for bringing us together once again for this special call session We pray God
that you will grant uh the leadership the wisdom God to move this city in the direction that you would have it to go We pray God for your kindness towards each of us Bless us Lord I pray give us
wisdom in Jesus name we pray Thank God Amen Amen Amen Roll the call please Madam cler Davis present Present President here Yeah I know I've been looking
for missing So it comes in Okay Business first discussion consolidating building and we are going to take a 10-minute field trip over to the building to check it out So just watch
over there [Music] We're all Yes ma'am Good afternoon everyone Anyway uh thank you for taking your time coming out Um thank you and
thank you commissioners for being here today I think the objective is for us to look at the recently purchased uh pre- consolidated property and to possibly discuss or figure out some of the uses
longterm and short Um there is a PowerPoint presentation that we can start with and we're going to discuss two items the property and also consolidated is what we call it
So um during the time that we've purchased it the city attorney and myself we've worked diligently to try to understand more about the purchase and how will it impact the um the positive manner Okay Sure Uh this is
a little bit just ownership background of the site It was acquired in 1936 by the Rogers who operated a gas station service store They ended up selling to William Roberts Um there's actually quite a bit of history Um Roberts died in 2012 and his
ended up selling to Yum Company and they ended up selling to consolidated properties consolidated sold to good crowd development group in January of 2024 and later that
year the fiscal in a little bit but if you could go back to the next slide please So uh basically it functioned as a gas station and uh with a office building as we all just saw Um there were
underground storage Those are installed in April of 2009 If you can go to the next slide please pardon me Pardon me Clear that there is no contamination on the site And we do have with us uh Mr Chad Russo
from Lost Environmental and he can go into details about Pardon me Come on up please Hello Um so like she said I'm the
engineer of record for um the remediation system that be designing on this site Um like there's no soil contamination and the groundwater plume is fairly small compared to other sites
I've seen Um it is not under the building It's more towards the um not sure what street that is but towards that quality in there on that side of the property Um back where there were dispenser
storage like all the tanks were removed already Um so those shouldn't be a problem There shouldn't be any new entirely You move the slide I think So these were so um kind of the process is we've
delineated the plume We know pretty well where it is Um and so now we're in preliminary design stages Uh so I'm actually probably in the next week or two going to um submit a pre it's called
a pre- wrap That's a remedial action plan And what that is it's a summary of the site and the history of the site and some initial ideas on how to treat it We are leaning towards what's called an air sparial soil vapor extraction system
They're gone around Florida for these kinds of sites very what I still anticipate having a pre-esigned teleconference this month um and then having the wrap completed by
the end of the summer I would say and then the FTP has two months to review that After that we would do construction as humans and then we would move to installation of the system which would involve um installing underground
pipes to so the way a system like this works is you pump compressed air into the ground It volatilizes the um constituents and then it uh and then the soil vapor extraction system sucks it
out and treats it before discharging to the atmosphere Um it's something we use all across sites that are active gas stations active offices Um the common denominator with sites
like this is there used to be a gas station Um but outside of that they're used for all sorts of different uses and safely Um you know I actually have to amend some I
think statements Excuse me Can you put that in presentation mode please If you look at the bottom the far right icon to make it larger next to the Pardon me
Thank you Commissioner Jones Here Commissioner Jones Is there any way for the folk in Zoomland to be able to see the monitors Okay Um yeah the So for what you could use a site for uh like I said we've got a lot
of occupied buildings on sites like this across Florida Um they're all used daily The list of possible uses are things that I've seen used Uh but the FDP can't correct site redevelopment
Um only caveats are that if you were to redevelop the site you have to do it in a way that doesn't exacerbate the problem The reason I recommend against anything impermanent is like I said we have to go and break ground to install the system
And if you install something over the plume it makes it harder for us to do our jobs and makes it could drive up the cost of exposure But as far as that last bullet I want to clarify about the vapor
intrusion because it sounds scarier than it actually is So there's always the riskless systems like these that they when you voluntize the um constituents they come out of
that's the SV levels are for and also monitor buildings if necessary the air quality is good in the building but Um in this case I wouldn't expect it because the plume isn't underneath the building and it looks like the building
built on a so that risk big risk here Um but that's something we monitor and we control for So it sounds scarier than it is If there intrusion then we start
right to the occupants you said risk I mean a big risk and then you said risk so help me understand that piece for the vapor intrusion part
I mean there's a small risk that it could happen Um we've had sites where we've gotten complaints of voters and mobilized the site So we'll have you shut down the system Whoever the building is shuts down a system
immediately and then we'll go out to the site We'll figure out what's happening the lower flow rates if you have to um install or slow vapor extraction mills again So it's never been an ongoing problem It's been a we smell a little
petroleum once and then we take and what are the effects of the odor of it Does it have any health effects or anything longterm if for instance if it's if it's at a certain level Uh does it have could potentially have health
effects Yeah I would imagine they could have health effects which is why we are so diligent about monitoring it um has I'm sure I'm not aware the exact number but all of their like air um
response and their groundb restrictions are based on you know time of exposure and so given that if we're having any kind of issue the system gets shut down immediately I wouldn't expect any long-term issues but the owners if you were
exposed to them daily hours a day event Yeah probably Thank you Anyone else have any questions Commissioner Mr Russo when you mentioned no permanent projects can you talk a
little bit more about what you mean about permanent projects Um so that would be any kind of you know if you were going to demo the building and completely um redevelop the site that it site that's what I you'd have to do
that like if you broke down you'd have to do water entry for water but after the site is closed uh have any problems which so at this point with the building intact act and as long as the work any
work that occurs in the building is in the building or not digging or touching that grain I guess I'm not that's what you're considering the property um yeah and generally speaking right if if what
you're talking about is that you would want to use the building now you could use the building now as long as you're not like you said breaking branch you know you might want to consider something like having someone inspect this lab to make sure it's
impervious Um but other than that you shouldn't have any problem using the building But there's plenty of sites like one question mitigation for if there's monitoring and you mention if there's a
problem identified what does that look like Um that looks like uh so the air sparges we have dowels on them for you know there is typically
what will happen if we start getting vapors into the building The first thing we do is we look for other ground conduit that we can talk if there is none or if that doesn't work we start shutting off all the air quantities near the building when you
start tuning up any that's always done it in my experience We've never had turning up there as far as visit building and again please thank you for explaining to me and I'm assuming that
if there is an issue we evacuate the building we do this and you're saying people won't return someone's working So I can't speak to the evacuation part Um the sites I've worked
on when they smell the fumes they don't evacuate Um we just tell them to immediately so have a master switch but by law it's accessible to everyone So we tell them to go off and as long as
we're not moving Okay Thank you Anyone else Thank you And I had one question Oh sure Hi Um the system is the system to stay there forever or is it for a time certain to get rid of whatever is down
there Is that the purpose of the system So the system is uh you know it'll be there for a year or two while we remediate Thought you said that Um it's a temporary it's a trailer that we constructed around it Um um the
underping you don't actually remove that but once you achieve all the wells and so we don't get rid of the underground pip to redevelop the site
There's no reason to vote We abandoned the well So the expectation is that we will have a two-year window of the system being there expectated and then once that two-year period is up at that point the
site is considered restored That would be the hope Um the site's restored once the groundwater um contaminations drop below Yes Okay But um and we can't you know I
can't make any guarantees about exactly how long that would take Oh my experience with sites like this would say a year or two Okay But there's a lot of variability So it's guaranteed Thank you Thank you Anybody else have
any additional questions Okay Thank you Miss Yes Um you know just um going back to the fiscal transaction that did I did um receive like
267,000 cash Uh we did give up a building that uh after completation was worth about on the books 570,000 even though the value was 1 million cents So from an
accounting perspective this turned out to be a positive transaction much how as we now know even the cost for the remediation that Mr Russo is
referring to the spinning does not incur that So that was also a part of the the transaction of the cell So I just wanted to kind of put that out there to bring us all on the same page We do
have mention Richard is Richard uh Mr Richard and we took out this large as well Richard will hopefully only take a good five to 10 minutes to see that but um he is the
person that I found Hi Richard I don't know if you can see me anyway Hi Well uh Richard is really uh special because he took um similar projects over in
Stamford and has been very successful in working there And I I kind of view him more like a case study just so that for our city we can know that there is an opportunity for us to be extremely successful with the project next door So
we have many opportunities This is one of the options that we could possibly look at And after Richard Miss Laura will come up as well Thank you Richard Okay ladies and gentlemen can um can you can I hear him He has to unmute himself
Richard could you unmute please Unmute He's all the way from Gables He's working on it I think I I am unmuted Can you guys hear Can you hear me now Can he hear Yeah you're on mute I'm I'm
not on mute Then it's on your We got it We can't hear you We have to talk to him All right Richard I can hear you but I guess it's on this side Um
we can hear you We can hear you Okay good If if everybody can hear me Yes Yes please Thank Thank you ladies and gentlemen Um this is meant to to to show you what's possible This is this is in fact a big one big case study uh that I
was involved in for for quite some time Um but we want to show you how how wonderful uh a master plan uh can can result what what results you can get from this sort of a master plan study just to be a bit a bit in a sense
educational um looking at the property that you have you know vacant in downtown and how you would want to uh encourage folks to to infill that and and and redevelop that So So um what I'm going to do first is is show you a little a little uh
7inut video I'm going to share it with you Uh and and and it's narrated uh by uh by the city planner who um Victor Dover who worked for me and with me and with my team on on this
project So um I think I think you'll all uh enjoy enjoy seeing the video and then I'll then I'll show you a few other um concluding slides of it as well So um with that said let me go ahead and and share my screen Um going to do that And
and here is what I should be sharing Boom No that's not what I should be sharing That's that's the that's the latter part of this Bear with me one more time Hang on
I think he's trying Yeah he's trying He certainly is trying very hard Um okay Sorry hang on one more second Um oh here we go
Are you seeing my screen right now See you Hello and welcome to a look at Heritage Park a joint public private park Oh we hear of Sanford Florida Are you seeing it though No this is using
Zoom just for the development of three of historic downtown Let's make sure that I'm sharing it with everybody I don't want to play it and then find you didn't see it Um let's do this one more time Might move your mouse down lower so
it it sometime collapses Yikes What We so hard Is it okay if uh you get a chance to figure it out and or you got it Let's
find out because I could um have the other u person speak while you figure that out and we'll come um bear with me one more sec I I do think I do think
that I'm sharing That's it You got it Hello and welcome to a look at Heritage Park a joint public private partnership between the city of Sanford Florida and the Sanford Waterfront Partners This is for a new master plan for the development of three city blocks in the
heart of a historic downtown that overlooks Lake Monroe I'm Victor Dover an urban designer and town planner and I'm part of a big creative team working for the Sanford Waterfront Partners on the design of heritage platform So let's take a look at it But this is a very
special infill development The idea is to construct new mixeduse buildings that reflect the heritage of the town while still providing for all the modern expectations of a great downtown living experience Heritage Park is intended to revitalize downtown Sanford further and strengthen
its connection to the waterfront So along the waterfront on Seino Boulevard the developers will establish a mix of waterfront living shopping dining and entertainment with wide treeline streets nice sidewalks and interconnected
outdoor plazas and facos This approach to the design one that was common to the great traditional small towns of America once offers more opportunities for knowing your neighbors and allows for daily interaction among people It's more than buildings and streets In other
words it's a pattern And this pattern lends itself to casual gettogethers and memorable nights out This kind of urban design matches the real Sanford the one people already love and makes Sanford a town where people want to live and work and have fun On
the corner of Simino Boulevard and Palmetto Avenue what we envision is a grand public waterfront esplanade and a distinctive tower This is a architectural centerpiece for Heritage Park a landmark for the neighborhood Alongside the tower and the esplanade is a five-story residential building The
dwellings there will have views of Lake Monroe and the marina next door Along Palmetto Avenue we've designed live work residential units These would have convertible ground floors to allow for the option of small shops and office uses or expanded homebased
businesses The wide sidewalks and treeine streets and the bike paths will provide safe circulation in whether you're on foot or bikes and they'll connect the Sanford Riverwalk Trail that follows the shoreline of cycling Downtown Sanford's already a
pretty wonderful place for biking and walking and Heritage Park will just continue that great tradition with streets that are welcoming and visually interesting The brick pavers and the streets and the sidewalk will feel good underfoot and they'll match the historic streets of downtown Sanford and visually
join the waterfront to the downtown As you approach First Street Sanford's main hub for shopping and dining we've designed buildings with storefronts on the ground floor and offices and residences on the floors above Along historic First Street we've
designed a series of places to eat and lively retail shops that will light up at night The idea is to bring home to within a convenient few steps to the places you want to go to for fun in a walkable urban lifestyle The goal we might say is to add to but not overwhelm
the charming vibe that already is here in downtown Sanford For that reason the public spaces between buildings are meant to be crafted with as much care and attention to detail as the buildings themselves A streetscape design is about simple understated elegance in the materials
and the geometry Heritage Park is meant to pull together a kind of easy to navigate goodlooking fun place to walk A convenient shuttle service from First Street and Palmetto Avenue to the nearby Sun Rail station will give the residents
access to the greater Orlando area and connect the visitors back to downtown Sanford without relying entirely on cars The residences along Sanford Avenue will have views of the street scene the civic center and Melon Park And a special
building will offer our nearly 500 residents a fitness center pool game room community room and the like Connecting Palmetto Avenue and Hood Avenue we see a tranquil pedestrian only street that has three-story town houses with private garage parking In addition
the flats and duplex apartment buildings on Hood Avenue It's like classic Okay Richard thank you so much Can you summarize the video for us please Or give us a few comments Sure Um we've got about we've got about
one minute here Uh if we can just I think they're probably done If you could just kind of get us to the end I'd appreciate it We'll be through in just a split second
All right Okay Lock apartments on Long Po will share a courtyard that leads to a second floor open air restaurant tick This will be a great place to end the day and catch the evening breeze while you overlook Monroe Drawing from the charm and
traditions of historic Sanfords that's our goal So this will be the catalytic kind of new development that transforms some vacant parts of Sanford's downtown into the lively walkable community you've seen here Thanks for watching this preview of
Heritage Park coming soon to Sanford Florida Sanford Waterfront Partners and the design team hope you'll stay tuned in and let us know what you think Okay thank you In closing your remarks please
Okay audio is off again All right Well Richard yes Uh anyway ladies and gentlemen I'm back I apologize here I I u um I um this is the kind of thing uh that that you you could expect from uh a a
master plan Whoops I got to close that Okay that you could expect from a master plan uh of of of a large area of of vacant property of downtown that really creates a a true live work uh community
with a sense of place uh that that folks would enjoy And so that's what we were uh we're trying to show you Um if you have any questions we'd be delight delighted to answer them Um anyone have any questions
confused on what this has to do with right his intent was that he was going to show us how we'll be looking at developing next door maybe into uh mixeduse property retail and residential
combined and also uh showing us that u Miss Laura is going to come up and explain to us more about the master plan even for that one particular site it's Thank you Thank you Richard We appreciate All right Thank you My
pleasure Ladies and gentlemen can we give you a name Absolutely Laura Dietrich senior project manager and planner with Halfish Gate Parkway North Jacksonville Florida 3224 Um I've actually had several
conversations uh with Miss Cardi and with Miss Odum as she's come on board recently fantastic Um both So I congratulate you on on I want to take a step back I want to
be I'm gonna be kind of like a realist that was really kind of notet working with a lot of people since 2006 you know That's all right So to kind of hit a few major points today about it
think one there are things that have to be done first before we get down the road to I think where we're kind of at right now I think we're ahead of ourselves Uh first and foremost this is a brownfield site Uh for most of you probably know a brownfield site
is a real and or perceived site The genius that rode in and or I am grateful for because some of the cleanest places like a golf course probably while some you know abandoned kind of dusty site you drive by may have
attenuated which is a fancy word for cleaning itself to the earth may good to go in a green field So that perception is very important this site Um I know that you had the gentleman that came here I'm not sure I walked in the middle I know
that's fair First of all the liability of anybody going first and foremost looking buy and forward at the end of April reported to the state So that is to give
you a fiveyear perspective on top priorities not every single nook and cranny because this is supposed to be very intentional very focused effort and I stepping stone to how we get to it priorities because you have to
expositive and impact other businesses and delicate relationships with your north and south residential um stere but it's the gateway to this video So it's critical to think about what's going to go there because as long as
it's video you are contributing zero to the tax and refinance trust there's zero out of dollars going into your your pockets which means that the surrounding uses which the whole area is
that infrastructure and I think while it's very exciting that this deal was made and it's the gateway to your city I think it's going to be some that has to occur first before excited about what I think it's great that
everyone is excited to be working there's a lot of community there again that doesn't contribute at all to the to the press however there can be
and and legal counsel But you're a partnership with privately owned classroom that has space that city so many theater if you don't understand what you
can you ask the questions because just not thing can be done if you find a way right there's always a way um and with that partnerships is most important because county chamber has three hats being president not only looks out
for the current business owners that are here but she's also deployed to actually bring in and help develop more small business that's the whole county so that means and thirdly she actually oversees the economic development park the
three park a lot of smaller towns there falls under the chamber kind of like direct also runs development we did hundreds of millions of dollars also looked after so it's a pretty powerful
relationship he's experienced signed it they have funding they understand resources your new director background is legislative affairs understand and she got to speak pretty
quick and so I just want to pull it kind of down to this first and foremost Okay we need to figure out what's going on with the site You know what are we dealing with What kind of contamination has it to the point where it's pretty good to go um what kind of
things I think I'm not sure if that was an example or if he's actually done some testing but have done that to take place west her conduction attorney so that'll be a great step for
you and then another thing is looking at feasibility of what what that is so the community gives input you with what's going on And so one of my advice to you and I'll close with this is that um if you're talking about that we are gearing up right new grants because we do in the
next two or months when session ends the governor and cabinet will decide amongst many other when the new deadline is which unfortunately the same day So they will they will reveal when that new one is So I'm
thinking next question Okay Is there any questions of I'm sorry Mr Dedric No Okay Go ahead So just following up Miss Dedric Um Mr Russo came before you and he did let us understand through FD the environmental
and all of the system that has been put down there just that whole am Yeah I caught a little bit Yeah So we that we are in fact on that path Yeah First soldier on the field environmental It's good That's it I'm glad Yeah
Excellent Thank you Yeah Just a question of uh Miss Dedric just mentioned about in terms of you know not understanding and knowing the status of that property and not for or anybody that may be going to the property unless
they're covered Yeah Um so we need to make sure that we get we capture them Yes sir Thank you So that's where I'm Well I'm going to open up to public comments if you're down there I'm
open to public comments We have some people in yellow Three minutes please and be respectful in our town of residentsville Um my name is hold on My name is Shelley Shanker and I reside in
East Palaca but I truly live in Palaca And um so I'm going to sew a seed Obviously the conversation that just happened here puts me in a different position of of presentation but I'm going to sew a seed here um for what the
artists and the arts community would love to see happen eventually with that building Um start here with the vision that for this building as a premier cultural center So according to Florida Department of State our state tracks
more than 100 million visitors per year and 65% of those visitors take part in at least one cultural activity Kapa has a rich cultural identity from our heritage festivals and public art murals to our literary traditions and performing arts So a cultural center
would be the gateway for visitors and residents alike showcasing all that Paka has to offer while serving as a hub for creative engagement But we envision this space where the fine arts gallery show our local artists in partnership with the gathering artist a group that is
already revitalizing artic studio space and the white blending traditional artists and space for cultural nonprofits that work together and strengthen our community and
organizations that are planning the community events So this building as has been stated located at front door has the power to transform your city's first impression The exterior of this cultural center is the perfect location for a
striking modern mural that captures the essence of black Public art like this is not will only not only enhance our city's identity but also creates an instant landmark attracting travelers to stop explore and discover what we have to offer So please take note that the
suggestion is for a modern mural that highlights today's lab No matter what the commission decides or when this timeline happens the best use of this is to definitely include a mural on that building We would intend for the
cultural center to be open seven days a week welcoming visitors artists and locals alike look staff of the combination of arts do and city ambassadors ensuring that black always has welcoming presence
So um by designing a building for the as a cultural center we would create a lasting resource for artists visitors and the tit plenty of inspiring role models when it comes to using the arts to redefine itself and grow it into and artistic
towns like Kos New Mexico Puka Kentucky and my personal favorite and formal hometown the arts as a catalyst for transformation We have to wrap up Mr Shinker please Turning creativity into a thriving community asset So I by the
conversation before we are far away but I hope that you will keep this in mind Thank you And I was going five minutes earlier in the week So that's what that's if you're we try Okay Sorry Okay Let's move on to vaccine M
please Uh I have more practical take on it since took place since January of 2015 that city commission you folks as well as the ones that preceded you in 2015 have always said we have no room to
call the majority black so we need to move it well guess what boys you now have to expand for this building And anything you do first thing is make sure it's secure
We've got environmental war It's in good condition But for future whatever you do currently make sure it's not something I [Music] am but anyway uh I think city hall this is city
government we want city government to stay in downtown we want city hall to stay downtown Please No don't you come up Miss Snider Please come up and give your name and town of residence city of residents and you have three minutes I'm Evelyn Snider and I'm a resident of
Palacta Have been for quite a while I just wanted to talk in support of the cultural arts center idea that Shelley Shanker presented and I think you all got a copy of her whole talk So um I've known Shel for about 20 years now and
worked with her project and she's a people and she sponsor to her on that project and she said
I just consider that strongly Thank you Thank you very much Laura Pab I'm Laura I'm with the county chamber of commerce read Um I love the center of my
work Absolutely for a fiscal perspective Um but but I hope that that idea to teach you somewhere in black because it's a beautiful concept and I think it would do well to really
activate So I would like to see that happen Our stance um on this project is really just from a fiscal perspective making sure that the um property tax is maximized to offset the tax burden of
the residents So the more that you can do in the commercial space the more that you reduce the tax burden on your residents that need to have in terms of services and and all the things that make your community wonderful and vibrant I love the idea of a mixed use
community uh center right there and um activating the downtown even more with businesses and maybe Bon residents that will support the businesses and all the things that drive the quality of life drive the economy and drive
But we are being generalists and so my one recommendation would be to perform a feasibility study which it seems like you guys are already kind of trackful projects but maximizing the tax return which are to your residents so that um
you know some fiscal decision that also does a lot for the quality of life for your community So and it and it is the um the entrance to the city So you can just imagine how gorgeous that can be and transformative as you come across
the bridge and you have this showpiece um welcoming everybody into the black So that's all I wanted to say Thank you Thank you Is there anybody else here for public comment in regards to the port consolidated building and
music public comment and we will move on to the former Jenkins go Mr Cartright Oh go ahead Before we move forward um strength of next
steps how do we proceed Um what is so at this point if I may we continue with U Mros engineering with getting the cycling that's where we are currently
now as he mentioned he's in the uh phase of um the pre and that has to be approved by the government that's actually funding the cleanup So the clean up is critical Okay And I know the
cleanup is deep down underground or how you said it Um my my question or concern was are we able to use this site while the cleanup is taking place because the
cleanup because the cleanup is not shortterm and the site that it is going to take a year to two years to for us to receive um a clean bill of health for lack of a
better term We can use the site But um am I saying it correctly Chad Well if you want Mr Russo to come back Excuse me Mr CR I don't want to misate anything Basically the question is can the site be used in the interim while you you are
doing what needs to be done from FDA standpoint Um there's no like FDA regulations against it Um like I said the system can cause vapor intrusion Um we always control for that Um and we're
always monitoring it I've you know worked on at least 50 to 100 of these kinds of sites all across Florida and most of them are used the closest thing I could think but we've got a site clear water That's an
office space It's a contaminated site Um they told us that they were concerned about you know you know I speak to my experience and my experience is that people use these
sites while they're being immediate Okay So once and when we say that um at this point that process is not totally in place So once the pipes installed should absolutely be gas then the site can be used site tomorrow The site could be
used tomorrow and there would be no risk of papers Okay that was what I wanted clarification on Thank you So that's why I wanted to know the next steps because I'mma tell be not necessarily concerned that if we
sit and wait the longer we wait two years is a long time to have something that could be functioning or that could be utilized Um so that's why I asked what are our next steps How are we looking to move forward because I say it all the time we talk about stuff when
it's hot but when it's no longer clean we put on the back burner until something else comes up with regards to that particular project And so I want to make sure that once we receive forms portion that we truly keep this at
the forefront um so that we're able to really go ahead and start putting uh for people boots on the ground very important that the citizens of this community that
we're taking steps toward I'm not saying I want to actively move forward and now I'm wishing that we could have had this presentation before um but we're here now but I want to make
sure that we're progressing and it's not sit t for for the year or two is the best years for that particular property So um I really want us to really put some loops on the back Could we accept or consider um obviously
we had one proposal presented during public comment today but we really open it up for proposals and I think to be fair and transparent if we're going to allow that We probably need to open it up to other people in the community or
other organizations I should um to come forward with proposals for the short term Sorry complete because ultimately tax but shortterm so another building
another city we may want to consider proposals yes I concur with everything that was just said so I am looking for shortterm use and to go ahead as soon as feasible to
begin looking at potential long-term use as well Um to Commissioner Camp's point we want to be proactive with getting this done So consider long range Yes Thank
you T Oh I'm sorry Commissioner Yes Well we want to certainly make sure that the building is u u utilized in a in a very short term but when we got this transaction we didn't know the full
state of the facility and so I'll caution that we don't start spending a whole lot of money right away short term Yes Um that we do do our due diligence because we don't even know in
terms of when we go into building it the air quality among everything else I mean I looked through the report um and there's nine different things that the inspector spoke about
electrical water uh less that the roof u the wall crack the wall cracks infrastructure uh issue as relates to the building the old panel electrical if you look at it it's it's it's open and
um don't appear to look safe So what I like to do is or somebody go in and do a a a thorough inspection so that we know what we're looking at
before we start spending I agree with short term We actually do have a a very thorough full inspection report Um so we can provide that to the commissioners as well Right When did we get that Uh about a year ago before we entered the transaction got the report I'm looking
at right now It's about 60 pages Yes And it has certain findings that you're asking us to follow up on which we will Okay So the point is that we we to we needed to stop for a moment to bring the
commissioners into a workshop setting where we could give you all the information that we have found since uh you know coming on board That was the first step Now that you are aware like to the best of your ability our ability
you are correct Our intent is to move forward and try to get this place uh back on the tax roll so that it can add to our our revenue streams And so you are correct also that there are additional
due diligence that need to be performed We will with the OS input as well We will look back at that inspection report follow up and make certain that we're comfortable with even renting it out anything and then we'll follow up with
the RFP process of getting proposals for sure That's how we'll start looking at proposals You know it just got more more and like it has more roof and different things of that nature So we need to make sure we
don't put nobody in no public health situation pushing people in these I I understand we will not create liability for the city Thank you Any further discussion on the port consolidate Mr Right Sorry You're
on me Really But since I had time Okay Ed right 1900 Napoleon Street uh if it's the will of the commission if you you don't mind I think the goal here is just to
get direct about who we want to put in program but do a little quick snippet The first page is just the the budget that we had allocated for that is that's the amendment that we
had that came with the the project uh couple years ago Yeah to commission about the Sunday Jacob had a half time for renovations and and materials
went up almost 200% and also vandalism and other clearing stuff the building the a whole lot more expens in 2023 we had a couple workshops at J that actually got had a couple of presentations they did
want to just minutes from the first one we had gave our guidance to create this city and some approved Next
slide That's the basic floor plan of vision that I have that we have for a fair one with going on in there I will kind of tell you what we got going on there But
just to give you perspective the light blue area will be the office area for my staff office there to the right bottom is what we're looking at All right Is multi-purpose room What the goal is to have that is one room or
we make it to host parties meetings events rentals and all that The light gold one down at the bottom is te and right now we'll have several TVs and PlayStation being just the kids once
they project u they said I can't stay home any teach the kids how to cook and be adults adult is where we want to put the new town of of the surrounding areas of a lot of kios in that area and have
it like a walk through museum with whatever upstairs and different the bottom green is our technology The goal is to put about 15 working stations meeting So where people come in and do job service
resume and then the top green and uh we have several opportunities there but we do also have these Johnson Foundation They came and met with me about a month ago and was thinking about bringing a community center that he willing to offset and bring 150
So uh the opportunities are there those organizations that I talked about the least service they're speak about is all right so the program that we have
going on right now I'm excit We have 17 kids on Monday night about 5 years We open jail on Tuesday night 4 to 8 Uh we have a fluctuation between 8 to 15
basketball challenge staff technology center home economics uh next I don't overwhelm you because I know my my guidance out I hope you can get right and
what steps finishes and build surrounded areas And if I may that's less than what you proposed the last time Yeah it was 960 I knew it was coming Okay Uh but I have talked to the the proposed tenants and
removing it We're not going to change So so these are the organizations So they can hear them give you any kind of guidance on what they trying to do and what they're trying to bring They're more subject matter experts than I have here What's the question Um with regards to
New Town Um not to cut them short I think they provided us with ample um information information and they were just here to see how we're going to move forward Um I want to if you can go back
to the list of opportunities Yes Right now in the park going to the go back more people Yes So I'm I'm not appear to be
um offices are within those spaces that we can maximize who we provide or who we allow to come in Well in the in the least office right here the bottom orange that is four offices in a
conference room that can be utilized in that space right there down at the bottom here Okay Uh the class room sling out the school back laptop that can be either cubical to where we can use more office space for the fitness center uh we also
can kind of use the technology center as also another dual office space or dual uh purpose for renting a new utilizing that but we have about six offices that we have that's allocated So what I don't want to do is take away the
functionality of what the city needs in order for us to be successful in that in in our facility So I want to really as we move forward and as we begin to discuss what we would like to see we know that New Town wants to be a part of
that based on the grant So that's a given However looking at the additional um areas I want us to be very mindful as we to engage in these dialogues that we take in consideration If they're not
familiar with that leasing space are we looking to say for instance with the are they looking just to have eight office or are they looking to have offices offices So again if in that area it's
only four offices how can we divide that and best make it to where it's profitable or it's beneficial to the tenants because again you automatically have three that's interested not including uh Mr Johnson but we have
three that's already interested in an office space that is forward and from what I'm hearing they're requesting more than the office more than one office space So how would we take that into consideration where that is a good question I know in the re in the in the
recent conversations I know the the physical church service has came here first and asked to use our specifically the other ones are in conversation besides the Dorsy Foundation they have actually came in and gave us a plan of what they want to do in participation of providing uh we and at this time we're
kind of almost done like first round first serve to a certain extent because most of those are conversations but the two that I just called out has actually showed that they're really trying to get in but again are they all in need of additional space not just office space
that all all three of those organizations need more than office space well most of them just need the office space The Darcy Foundation is actually going to need that that whole facility on the right That's not going to be paid When you say the office space we're
talking about the multi the multi- office space and not just a office space Yes multi office space I think the uh principal service asked for at least three offices Okay And we was going to give them a joint conference
room to share uh And the other two organizations are looking for multi-off space as well or just a singular office singular to the conversation we have had but also just having the opportunity to do some things out of the building on a regular basis
not a dayto-day thing conversation being on the conversation on a regular basis commissioner I got a mix sense of what you guys are talking about here What I'm hearing we have two um entities
who are who have contacted you directly and would like to leave We know that they want I heard three offices from Episcopal Children's Services and the jam before after school could talk Yes
Am I right in assuming in the orange there's the conference room behind the sessions and one two three four offices It's it's four offices in the conference Okay So when we're saying children services are interested in three offices
are we talking three of those four down there Okay Which means if we when we make decision that we move forward to accept the two Episcopal Children's and Darcy
Foundation we really only have one office left to police Correct One office That's correct I just want to restate this cleanly with the possible caveat that I say conference room Yes For that one right next to the orange the red but that could be developed It could be
split It could be split to office and still go as a conference room space Shared conference room space Yes ma'am Okay Thank you Commissioner B And to I want I want to thank you guys for putting this together and look like you covered it very well Especially you got
the senior center you got the team uh the youth uh area you also have u well the gymnasium or ongoing activities um and your just your general spaces But
um when you look at when you look at it we might have to figure out because we just because we're getting the people um early on in the process how does that fit long term So how do
just trying to figure out one time to the next terms and what does that look like Um as well as when space being utilized what
what's the space requirement for each of the entities that's interested in getting a space because again sometime you can have a space that you're over way you you're using way less space than
you actually need So we want to make sure that we provide them with space that they actually as opposed to not we can figure out how to best be a company For an example if you had an
organization that needed a space and we had a space and that organization can really make a big major impact on the community and we got a space and they're not able to move it into the facility then that's kind of the problem that I
see Well something one of the things that we try to do is make sure we have a contingency plan So if you look at the top two left the white box right there those can be made into office space right now there one is actually the
coach's office above the purple it's like a coach's office so has has own everything so it can be made office space and then across the street right now is a store but it actually have window access so it can make office space so in in theory we can have at
least that we went with the people the the organization that we are talking about we will still have probably about three to four more opportunities for what I really want the re one of the main reasons why is to have a workshop
to specifically speak about this and it doesn't have to be tonight but I want to identify every space that can be utilized so that we know as a commission
that If we get to the point taking in consideration what Commissioner Borum said I wouldn't have never known those two up on the left hand side could be turned into an opportunity for me So when I look at this I want us to put
everything on there that could potentially be used so that when we have to have the conversation that we know because again if those two areas up there the coaches area could possibly be utilized we need to know that so that hey there's an
opportunity I don't want you to necessarily take away the storage because we need some place to house our stuff But if we if there is a place that has not been that I just want that the forefront of the conversation instead on the back end
of the conversation Okay This is not necessarily a revenue story We want to come across but overall benefit when I speak of the the cost perspective it wasn't to make money but it's that you know potentially comes in
that's why you Thank you Go ahead Commissioner Davis Yes And so along those lines when we have this presented for uh decision to be made or action to be
taken want to look for the numbers of course right How can we make sure we're covering our cost to make sure we run the facility at Jenkins
No I mean and I don't mean like not the total but I don't I mean for example the numbers if if the lease is submitted tell us what that amount looks like for whoever the lease
is obviously well the the leasing the temper the the template lease that we have right now for the office space right now is running the office for office Uh each office is right around 372 and the contract that we brought up
with the temporary comment that we came up with church service for $1,200 a month One brief brief thing if you can add those dimensions Oh yeah No it's on your Okay that'll work But if it's on your
print and stuff too just in case if somebody get a heart then you know need questions So from today what are you looking from from us from us so that we can get or continue to have the ball
What I'm looking for like I said the contract to MIE is slated to be finished July 24th July 25th Um they're projected right now to be finished a little early but I definitely want to stay you know we have several organizations but we have one
organization that's been truly engaged with us trying to get and still engage And I really would would love to have that permission to move forward Uh the other projects or new projects that we kind of discuss and get you more detail on how that will fit into the community
But I do think that participative portion once we approve the danger boom then between director city manager has the ability right to say whom goes into it
so that's why I want to make sure you I ask the question what do you desire from us from policy making standpoint um versus the permission to move forward to start putting bodies or organizations in some of these some of these
Let me be clear So in agreement to what has been presented to my fellow commissioners I think with moving forward with the plan that has been put before us to allow daytoday city manager
and director to move forward Have we approved the cost That mean a motion So that's why I want to make sure once we're done action can be taken at the workshop That's right I'm sorry I was talking
So once So I will first make this a um recommendation that we put this on the agenda meeting so that we can go ahead and make the official vote to move forward with what has been presented to us
May I ask one other thing Go ahead Um I want to I think adding one of the things I'm sorry about that right one of the things that um you really wanted to be certain that they use that she's identified as also
the current future yes the page that just want this primarily want to be sure that you confirm or you agree or we have your permission that these are the kind of um
programs that you would like us to operate at the Jenkins facult and I think I trust the director and you to to do that when we have this here I think again we're just asking this kind of these things put be put on the agenda for the next meeting we will so that we
can finalize it okay and then the second part when it is on the agenda will be to approve our rate for E Oh yes And we will apply it correctly like whatever that square footage is not a range number we will take that square footage
and multiply by their rate and that's how we will deter it So that sounds fine Yeah into the into to make sure that we do cover cost that we're not having to add additional funds from the general
fund to supplement any deficiencies in and what you you know from the cost standoint Yes sir I will do my best to prepare an analysis and you made a good point as well in terms of with whatever they communicated what they were going to be the program that they were going
to be Oh right there Not just facility They have a space and it's not being last but not least uh the the reason I took it took so long for your project that there was um some
management You're blocking your sale but the commission has approved that to move forward because I totally agree with you And we help got the pump We got all straight I just want you to put that on the record Yeah Commissioner the acting
commission now helped me get that back on track I just have one recommendation or something to take in consideration Is there an opportunity for us with regards to the current fencing to look into an
actual electric fence And this is the reason why I'm asking The reason I'm asking is because it's a better safety component and with individuals going in and out of that facility the current method of how it's being closed and
locked is not the most it's not closed and I think it will be better operating if we will be to look at you know fans um not the opening Okay The gate
So I'm sorry I'm sorry The gate will actually let you I apologize The gate would actually let you in and out I think it would be better if we look at the safety
component Mr talking builders are leasing or I think that that's something that we need to look at Okay Well your question that is actually we met a couple days ago with the grant person trying to find some grant money to help out to do for the fencing But we also have a little money
in this itself that can go to fencing the g Yes we have been we have been talking about that and that's really my think Thank you Thank you Ask one more question that brought up the ley right
now the conversation we had with the leop Okay Commissioner Davis Mr All right I just want to commend you and thank you for coming with this very thorough presentation that was clearly presented You know I'm
crazy this job Great job Next Last one Next slide Next slide Let me see if Director Eddie um public comment We have Miss Lethan's
here for public comment Please come up to your name in city res Yes I'm Teresa Matheni I'm Jacksonville Florida I'm with the physical children service and I just wanted to
be sometimes don't Our child it's called their child because we Yeah
breakfast So it's nothing to sit there Thank you Thank you very much Thank you That's not for you Thank you We do have Mr um Johnson and the
audience which is one of the proposed individuals for Okay call up and tell us a little bit about your give us city town res Darcy Johnson Um I'm originally from Palaca Um I grew up on the north side of
Palaca Currently I reside in uh Orlando Florida but I do come back here and run my program foundation Uh it's called the Darcy J Foundation been a family uh women and families all over the state of Florida where we help uh get
housing become first and foremost uh my story But I'm excited to have this opportunity to come back to Palaka uh just a homegrown guy This is a perfect opportunity I believe in the
vision of a long time So us coming back being able to um and operation you know a little bit a little bit more background on
uh us our organization We've been for 16 years My wife has owned and operated gyms all over the nation Um
Chicago and for us to come back to the community and people from all over the city on that side of town and take our beautiful approach and I'm just part of
that time um appreciate Well thank you so much And well I don't know if a lot of you guys know Darcy or not but um Darcy he's a standout basketball player for black and
he also was even better player for football He's a former NFL player with the New York Giants and he's also a Super Bowl veteran Anyway what you're doing is okay Thank you Thank you Have a
blessed night I didn't mean to throw it out there Any of the any of the folks in the company that are interested in I don't want to say a few words child we know that trans give us more information If not
that's fine Thank you comments I have made everything I need to commission I think I made everything I need to say I just want to thank everybody for coming Sure I just have one thing being that we are
speaking about Jenkins I want to invite everybody out um on Monday from 6 to 7:30 Uh we had our inaugural um line dancing class yesterday and we had about 30 um individuals that come through and
participate the back Um so we had a really good time So looking to grow it something every Monday from 6 to 7:30
and we all levels all levels all levels says "I just want to invite you on to help and then if you want to join we'll be there." And you said at the beginning at the
start of it 6 from 6:00 to 6:30 that is our beginning level level course So um the lot the dances that we'll be doing like I said we are looking to get involved So no matter if you move a little slow or
if you move fast and everyone walked away and we had to serve as from 6 to 6 to 7:30 Third thank you Is my business if not
second It was all echoed Okay Thank you