Mhm. >> Hi, this is Jane. Just checking audio. >> Good afternoon. Let's call to order our June 4th, 2026 Historic Preservation Board meeting. Uh if please Ms. Pierce would give us an invocation followed by
Ms. Beville the pledge of allegiance. Please rise. >> Please bow your heads. Lord, thank you for bringing each one of us here today. Please guide us with wisdom and knowledge to vote accordingly and please allow us to move forth with the best interest
as all these things Jesus Christ's name. Amen. >> Amen. >> I pledge allegiance >> to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all. >> Thank you, ladies. If we could, Mr. Romero, the roll call, please. >> Absolutely. Ms. Van Rensburg. >> Here. >> Rhianna Pierce. >> Here. >> Megan Beville. >> Here.
>> Ms. Alston, absent. Mark Turnbow. >> Here. >> Tim Jefferson. >> Present. >> Mary Jane Rosa. >> Here. >> We have quorum. >> Thank you. Let's go on to item D. The purpose of the Historic Preservation Board is to
steward the architectural properties in our city's historic districts by applying the guidelines of the Secretary of the Interior standards for historic preservation. Moving on to our appeals procedure and ex parte communication, we'll begin with
appeals. Any person aggrieved by a decision of the board may, within 15 days thereafter, apply to the city commission for a review of the board's decision. Such application must be filed with the city manager in writing. Moving on to ex parte communication,
anything to discuss, ladies and gentlemen? Um I have one question and as always it is for Ms. West. Ms. West, we we do have um applications on our agenda today where in board members live in very
close proximity realizing that this is by no means in my mind anyway a reason not to take part should those board members at least point out where they are geographically in location to the applicants. >> No, that's not required by Florida law.
>> Thank you for covering that. Moving on to item two on our agenda, the approval of minutes of the May 5th, 2026 meeting. Ladies and gentlemen, anything to correct? >> I saw nothing. I'll go with I make a motion to accept.
>> Thank you, Mr. Pierce. We have a motion to approve looking for a second. Thank you, Mr. Turnbow. We have a motion and a second. All in favor of approving our May 5th meeting minutes, please say I. I and opposed. Excellent. Public comments. Public comments, of course,
are not related to agenda items. Let's open that up to the floor. I'm a bit concerned I don't see Ms. Kitchens as well. Anyone for public comments? If not, we'll close public comments and go right into new business. Item four on
our agenda. We'll begin with HPB case 26-19, a request for improvements to single-family residence address 223 Madison Street parcel number ending in 0010.
City staff to lead us off. >> Thank you. >> Good afternoon. I'm the department With me today are Mr. Don and Mrs. Shanna Helmer. They are the property owners and applicants requesting a certificate of appropriateness for improvements at
their residence and probably located in the city of Palatka, North >> I'm having difficulty hearing. Is Are all the mics on? >> How about now? Per section 54-78 of the municipal code, a certificate of
appropriateness is required to erect, construct, or alter a structure or sign located or to be located in a historic district. The property consists of a two-story single-family residential dwelling located on a corner lot at the
intersection of North 3rd Street and Madison Street. A 4-ft high white picket fence surrounds the perimeter of the property along with several trees. The Putnam County Property Appraiser notes that the house was built in 1935.
The Florida Master Site File has the original residence constructed between 1903 and 1909. Past property owners included Rosenberg, Hudson, Curry, and Waymer. Figure one shows an aerial view of the
North 3rd and Madison Street area. And figure two shows a Google Street View image of 223 Madison Street. Proposed improvements. The applicants are proposing several improvements, the replacement of two exterior light
sources, two handrails, a second-story balustrade, and metal roof over the side porch. Upon acquiring the property, uh the Hilmers inspected the home and determined there was structural repair needed to replace the rotted wood and
membrane of the front entrance portico roof. Uh the Hilmers note that there will be no change in appearance to what currently exist. And lastly, the applicants are proposing repaint the exterior window and door trim, as well as the front and rear
porch floors. The roof, the applicants are proposing to replace the metal roof over the side porch. Figure three shows the current condition. The proposed new metal roof would match the current metal roof over the residence.
Exterior lighting, the applicants are proposing to replace the existing front yard post lamp and front porch wall light fixture. Figure four shows the proposed lamp and wall sconce. Each is outfitted for three 60-W bulbs,
and the color black is proposed. And there's a photograph toward the end of the report that shows the existing front yard lamp which needs repair. The handrail, the applicants are proposing to replace the existing 2 by 4 wooden handrails on the front and side porches to a black wrought iron
handrail. Figure five shows the proposed handrail. Exterior painting, the applicants are proposing to paint the burgundy and green trim around the windows and doors to powder blue. The applicants are proposing to paint the underside of the front entrance
portico and rear entrance porch powder blue at 50% to mimic the hate blue paint, which the applicants feel is popular on historical homes in the south. Finally, the owners are proposing to repaint the floor of the portico
and the floor of the rear porch from burgundy to the existing color white currently on the house. To conclude, uh the applicants are proposing to repair rotted wood and membrane of the existing front entrance roof, restore the second-story balustrade,
which I believe was removed between 2013 and 2023, uh replace the existing metal roof that has rusted over the side porch. The applicants are proposing to repaint the trim around the windows and doors, repaint the underside of the front and
rear entrance porches, and repaint the front and rear porch floors with colors consistent on the existing house or consistent with the color palette recommended by this board and adopted by the city commission. And finally, the application includes
replacing the front yard lamp post, the front porch light fixture, and the wooden handrails. The Helmers believe the proposal keeps with the existing character of the properties within the North Historic District. Proposed findings of fact. This is an
application for certificate of appropriateness requesting improvements to an existing single-family residence and property. Proper notices, including public notice in the newspaper, were provided in accordance with state statutes. Staff included a review of the
application and prepared a report. There are manufacturing manufacturing details and product specifications included within the report. I and the Helmers are available to answer any questions you may have. >> Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, do we
have questions for city staff at this time? Okay. Um if not, Mr. and Mrs. Helmer, we'd love to meet you. Come on up, if you'd like. Tell us about If you would introduce yourself and just give us a city of residence. We can kind of guess.
>> We appeared before the board last year when we bought 417 North 3rd. Um we still live down in Palmetto. We're trying to get up here as quickly as we can and the thought process was buy this house so we have someplace to
homestead while we were doing the repairs on the other house. Um so that's kind of it's just myself, my wife, and four cats. Yeah, tell me about it. But she'd fit right in with all the strays in the neighborhood. But
>> Um do we have questions for Mr. Helmer at this time? Okay, we we can always call you back if you don't mind if we do come up with something, but in the meantime, um looks like let's go ahead and open up the public comment. No? Okay, let's
close public comment. Um Mr. Michaels, I I appreciate you you catching the balustrade on the second floor um above the entry door. I did not see that on page eight of the application and frankly, I didn't stare hard enough at the pictures to notice
that that was actually an item that we need to add to our list. Um if we look at it, indeed, it was there and now it is not. But in the interim, um roof repair, it strikes me that we are replacing a silver metal roof with a silver metal
roof. Uh that doesn't seem terribly complicated. Um the exterior paint as I can see from the packet is an approved color, so not really seeing why that's before us um either.
So it seems to me that it comes down to the exterior lighting, the handrails both on the front and back, and making the balustrade on the second floor above the front entry look as it was intended. So based on that, are we ready to maybe
break it down to lighting, handrails, and the balustrade? And All right. Or we could take it all together. Um That that used to be the house next door, and um wow, it's just going to be so wonderful to
see what whatever you may choose to do with it. Um But then, you know, all the proper guidelines. Ladies, gentlemen, what are we thinking? >> My question's with the balustrade because we don't have an example of it in the
in the >> Uh we do actually on page 10. Uh if if you would, come on up. No, that's okay. Come on up. I told you we might do this, and here we did it. >> the packet that was given to you guys, there there was one picture that showed
what the balustrade looked like. Now, whether it was original or or what it but there is a picture Keep going up >> or 10. >> Oh, you're right. It could be page 10 or page 16, depending on
>> It's scrolling towards the >> Yeah, I got it. >> Yeah, the direction. >> I I understand that, but I don't see as the other elements are are outlined later in the report. >> The the right one. >> Yeah.
I I think we found the picture. I think perhaps Mr. Jefferson's question is, do you intend to put it back the way that it was in the photo? Does that or am I on the wrong >> Okay. Thank you. >> Right. Great question. Great answer.
Oh, yes, ma'am. Please. [clears throat] That's always the way in marriage, isn't it? >> Or crazy, I think. Um there is a door up on that second floor that we would like to access the balcony, and that's the reason we wanted to put the
balustrades back. So, there isn't a usable door there. >> Understandable. Thank you for the clarification. All right, where where are we with the exterior lighting, the exterior handrails, and replacing that second
floor floor balustrade? Shy. Everyone's shy today. Do we want to take it one at a time? >> That's what I was going to ask. Do you want to do one at a time or >> It is up to y'all. Y'all are in charge. >> I mean, I can go ahead and make a motion to accept everything [clears throat] including the
the railing to be replaced or to be I guess reinstalled back to its original condition, the lighting that is presented, and the handrails um from the wood to the I guess cast iron. >> Perfect. With a nod toward of course the
roofing like for like in the big with the approved colors. >> The paint the paint is board approved. So, yes, all that. >> Excellent. We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Ms. Faville, thank you. We have a motion
and a second. Do we have further discussion? If not, all in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. And opposed? Excellent. Thank you so much. Good to see you again. I would say welcome to the neighborhood, but you know, that's redundant.
You're you're you're doing your best. >> Welcome, One Street South. >> All right, moving on to new business item B, HBB case 2618, a request for a certificate of appropriateness for adding a fence and back deck. The address is 313 Madison
Street. The personal number ends in 0052. Ms. Brown, take it away. Good afternoon, Historic Preservation Board. >> Your favorite board. >> Yeah. Renee Brown, planner one at Paleka. This is a request to obtain a
certificate of appropriateness for the exterior improvements to be made on the structure and the property located at 313 Madison Street in the North Historic District. The applicants are Ryan and Courtney Adams. Photographs in the packet illustrate
where the construction and maintenance would like to be done. This includes a fence around the back of the property and a rear deck addition and also regular maintenance of siding replacement and paint. In the Florida Master Site File, it says
the Colonial Revival Home was built between 1909 and 1915. The home contributes to a well-defined historic neighborhood. The entire Florida Master Site File is included in your packet.
If you have any questions, Mr. Adams is here. And if you have any questions for me, >> Excellent. Ladies, gentlemen, do we have questions for city staff at this time? No? Thank you, Ms. Brown. Uh Mr. Adams, would you like to
introduce yourself, although you look terribly familiar as well? >> Hello, my name's uh Ryan Adams. Uh my wife is from Palatka. We've lived here moved back here for about 3 years now. We've looking to make it a permanent home for us and uh my wife's always dreamed of having a historic home, so we try to make that happen, so.
>> Excellent. Do you have anything that you would like to add regarding your application? Anything you'd like to walk us through? You don't have to, but >> Regarding the fence is basically cut and dry. We I've talked to all the neighbors. Uh we are going to run a fence where that there's currently a shorter chain link fence. Uh we're I've
talked to neighbors, we're going to replace that with the privacy fence and then that's 6 ft and then uh some of the fence on some of our neighbors is falling down. They're okay with us taking the falling down fence, for it with our fence and uh mainly for our dog to be out there. And then the back deck is mainly an improvement to the home, so
I feel like it will look nice in the back, but more importantly, my brother is a quadriplegic, it's a better way for him to get into the house instead of trying to do anything to the front to allow him to get to the house. >> Mhm. >> Um thank you. What uh my own personal question, if you don't mind, um what
what led you in the direction of that particular black metal gate? Which struck me as something that that I would not see in the historic district. >> So, it was just a plain farmer's uh gate that we just kind of went with to start
with. Our long-term goal is actually getting more of a custom gate that we plan to put in front of the board at a later date that we can afford when that time comes uh when we refinance the home in November. Uh but uh for now it was just a gate that was recommended to us, so that's the one we went with.
>> Okay. Recommended to you >> Uh I was just told use a farmer's gate, and then uh also the fence company also said that was one that they they >> Okay. >> would recommend just cuz it would be lighter on the fence and so forth. Like I said, in the future we plan to I when I say future, in the next year or so, we
plan to put a solid aluminum gate up that would look more historic, as well as just nicer. >> Okay. And and apologies, I didn't mean to be intrusive. I just wanted to make sure that you weren't going to say city staff told us to get that gate. Okay. Perfect. >> Yeah. >> Uh ladies and gentlemen, do we have
questions at this point for Mr. Adams? Thank you so much. We we might drag you back up. Um so, we are looking at >> Madam Chairman. >> Ma'am? >> I am the abutter. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And um
Miss West said, according to the federal government, we don't need to disclose that we are abutters, but in our training with the state of Florida, the films that we saw, it clearly said that we have to let everyone know that we are the butter. I am the butter.
>> You are the butter. Let the record show. Thank you. That that was a question that I had as well, Ms. Rosa, which is why I asked Ms. West at the beginning of the meeting. All right, at this point before we get ahead of ourselves, let's go ahead and open up to public comment.
And being none, well, we will move along. We're looking at three different things. We're looking at a stockade wood fence, 6 ft tall. Um to the side and the rear of the property with a black metal gate. We're
looking at a southern yellow pine ADA back deck with railings, lattice trim, and we are looking at some um siding issues being replaced and painted the color that the property is currently painted.
So, again, we could take these one at a time or we could take them in their entirety. >> I have a question. Ms. Pierce, you have that questioning kind of eye thing going. >> Um items that have that pertain to the backyard that are not visible from
front, typically are not really within our purview, but I'm just asking. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Unless something has changed, um but I have a feeling because it ties into the gate, perhaps just getting a a
nod. Sort of like in the last application, the paint wasn't really relative to us, but just saying fairly well. And and truly, you can see the two sides of the fence. Perhaps the more pertinent question would be have
the neighbors been contacted? I realize Mr. Adams said that he had spoken to all of the neighbors, but was any feedback received from property owners within 150 ft that they did not care for a 6-ft >> No, I don't think so. >> Okay. >> Plus that's totally legal. 6 ft is
permitted by the code, so. >> Got it. Well, that honestly, that's a question we should ask every time, but whoever remembers. Um So, yes and no. I think it's more of a we wish you well and they were coming before us anyway, so let's put
everything in the application. As we know, COAs don't expire, so they don't have to ask us again. >> Mhm. Okay. >> All right. >> May I ask a question? >> Of course. >> So, if we were to approve this temporary
fence gate, which is not quite historic, is there a time limit before they would have to [snorts] replace it? Do you understand where I'm coming from? >> Cuz I I I again Yes, Mr. Adams, come on up.
>> I we are open to suggestions for gates as well. So, like we have sent multiple gates in in the original scenario we were we just decided to pick one to kind of just put it for y'all to make it less complicated. If there is a gate that y'all have already approved for other homes that you would rather us use, as
long as my truck can go in and out of it, I'm perfectly okay with it, as long as it doesn't become an obstacle. Um so, we are open to other suggestions as well, as long as it's not going to cost us more than the fence is going to cost us. >> [clears throat] >> So. >> Thank you for the clarification. And um in in answer to your question, once once
we say okay, it it could, although I don't believe Mr. Adams would, but it could be there for a very long time. >> That was my only concern is that could >> But it sounds as though Mr. Adams is amenable to us saying, "Hey, we would
really rather see this." >> My wife specifically is not very keen on that gate. >> Your wife has great taste, sir. Yeah. >> Carol Berg >> Ms. West, what'd I do? >> You can I I just wanted to let the board
know that you can condition a motion with a time frame, but I should point out that the Historic Preservation Board did approve a very similar gate for the property on Short Krill. I don't recall the address exactly, but >> Mhm.
>> that style has been approved in the past. >> And I I believe I remember at the time not voting for that. Um and pointing out that once again >> that's a that's an issue, but >> Yeah, I know. Um Well, Ms. West, you're always the voice
of reason. I suppose if we approve it once we're kind of stuck. >> Can I make a motion? >> Ms. Pierce, guide us. >> All right. Um I'll make a motion and I'll do these I guess Do you want to do them one by one? >> Your motion.
>> Okay. Um pertaining to the fence, the privacy fence, I make a motion to go ahead and accept that as presented. >> All right, we have a motion on the floor. Thank you, Ms. Viville. And a second discussion regarding the fence itself.
Mr. Turn but Oh, I'm sorry, Ms. Viville, she'll let you do that next time. You got to be quick. >> That's the order. >> Oh, there you are. So, we have a We have a motion and a second and a third. How about discussion? If not,
Mr. Adams. >> All right. >> We We are just talking about the fence and and you're doing well. >> Yeah, just the fence. Just the >> You're doing well. >> Just the fence. >> Okay. >> So, we have a motion and a second. >> All in favor, please say I.
>> I. >> I. And opposed? Excellent. Got your fence. >> Um >> Ms. Pierce. >> Now, moving towards and I I know I said separate it, but for the black gate, I do make a motion to go ahead and
accept it with the condition that it be replaced at the end of 2026 with what you I guess you coming back to the board with a new fence idea. >> Um that was >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I could say something.
>> Or do I need to >> I also one one last suggestion I was going to state is the fence company also did suggest doing the same exact fence and they can turn that wood into a gate basically and so it would look like one complete fence that would just open it. >> The unfortunate thing is then you would
have your fence on the front side of the property where it is visible from the road and it could not be the same height. >> I thought that was if it came past a certain point. It's still going to be in the backyard. >> That would be a >> So >> training question. All right, Ms. West,
guide us. Or Michael, guide us. I'm sorry. >> Hello, HBB. >> Michael Hill, senior planner. >> Wait. Michael Hill. >> Oh. >> Go ahead. >> wants to say something. >> No, I'm going to defer to your planner.
>> Ms. West, let me take this one. >> Yeah. >> Sorry, go ahead. Madam Chair, Commissioners, if you actually look at the ordinance, if you look at the ordinance in regards to the placement of fences, um the drawing line of what it we consider the front yard is the front facade of the
home. Clearly, this applicant's is behind the front facade, so even if he was to go to a 6-ft, he would still be behind the front facade. So, he's actually not in violation of the fence code. Thank you. >> Listen. Thank you. >> Thank you. For some reason, I saw it
more to the front of the property in the packet. Um >> Okay. >> Well, I think that clears things up. Would we rather see the continuation of the wood fence than the cost of the metal fence that might not be appropriate?
Ms. Pierce, take it away. >> You may re-motion my motion. >> Re-motion your motion, please. >> Okay, I will re-motion my motion. Um, if the applicant does a wood fence, right? I mean, if you want to I mean,
we approve to um grant a wood fence that matches the or a wood gate that matches the fence to be acceptable for in place of the metal gate. >> Okay. All right, we have a motion and
looking for a second. Thank you, Mr. Turbeau. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? If not, all in favor, please say I. I. And opposed. Okay, um, apart from that, we are replacing >> damaged siding
and painting it the identical color. I >> And the deck. >> Oh, and the You're absolutely correct. Sorry. I was going to say >> one and I split it. >> Oh, okay. That's all right. >> That's all right. But I'll go ahead and >> make it 1.5 and that'll make it all better. >> Um, I'll go ahead and make a motion for
the back deck to be um approved as presented. >> Second. >> Thank you, Ms. Rosa. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? If not, all in favor, please say I. I. And opposed. Okay.
>> And then that remains I mean, replacing the damaged exterior pine siding and paint it the existing yellow color. I'd go ahead and make make a motion to accept that. >> Wonderful. We have a motion to do routine maintenance. We have a second. >> Second.
>> Thank you, Ms. Rosa. Any discussion amongst the board? If not, all in favor, please say I. >> I. >> And opposed. Thank you, Mr. Adams. Have a great day. All right, moving on to um other business, item five on our agenda.
Do we have other business? If so, I don't see anything about it. If not, let's move on to item six, board member comments. Ladies, gentlemen, ruminations, thoughts, dreams, hopes. >> I'm just glad to see new people in the neighborhood. And younger people, I
mean, get the younger generation in and let them appreciate >> We're not We're not going to go there, Ms. Peters. We're not going to go there. >> I just I just love to have new neighbors and them actually wanting to better their properties. I appreciate that.
>> Absolutely. There There was certainly a long period of time in the North Historic District that nothing much ever occurred. >> Yes. >> Um thank you for your comments. How about staff comments? >> We don't have any comments. >> No comments? No comments for you? Okay.
>> Well, the only thing I would say is that >> Sorry, that's my I'm learning Spanish, so I'm trying to do everything with a little bit of an accent. >> Well, I I think I think, you know, we we should have probably not included, you know, the the roof because that's just out of staff approval. When it's like to like, you know, usually we do
that on a routinely basis. Uh this ain't having a color now. We have a color palette, you know, they can just choose on the palette, you know, so >> My My My concern is that if things are put before us which aren't up to us or have already been taken care
of, it might confuse newer members. And, you know, frankly, there's there's a great deal and and quite a learning curve to all of this without making it more complicated. >> I agree with you, 100%. >> Thank you. Um if that is it, the only thing left on
our agenda is to adjourn, and um I don't believe Mr. Jefferson has made a motion. Would you like to make a motion to adjourn? >> I make a motion to adjourn. >> Excellent work. Any discussion?