Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Let's go ahead and bring to order the Historic Preservation Board meeting of April 2nd, 2026. If we could please, is Chaplain Malbury with us today?
I am here. >> Oh, welcome sir. If you would lead us in the invocation and then uh please Miss Pierce will lead us in the pledge. >> Good evening everyone. Father again thank you for the day that you've made and for the opportunity that you've
allowed us to come together one more time. We thank you dear God for this board meeting and those participants. We ask Lord that your wisdom and guidance would be upon us. Give us directions and things that we must do to move our city
in the right direction. We ask God for your divine favor and grace. Let it be upon the heads of these leaders you've selected for such a time as this. We thank you and give you praise for them. Blessed I pray in Jesus name. Amen.
>> Amen. Thank you, sir. >> Please join me in saying the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Thank you, Miss Pierce. Mr. Romero, if we could have the roll call. And you know, I've got to make a joke because in light of the recent newspaper article, would you like us to say present or alive and indeed not truent?
Present works, I guess. >> All right, we're going with that. >> All right. Elizabeth Van Runsburg, >> present. >> Briana Pierce, >> present. >> Megan Beville, >> present. >> Patty Vo, >> present. >> Timothy Jefferson, absent for the
record. Christopher Hollister, >> present. >> Mary Jane Rosa, absent for the record. We have quorum. >> Thank you, Mr. Romero. Let's move on to item D, which is our meeting purpose disclosure. The purpose of the historic
preservation board is to steward the architecture of properties in our city's historic districts by applying the guidelines of the Secretary of the Interior standards for historic preservation. Moving on to the appeals procedure,
we would note any person agreved by a decision of the board may within 15 days thereafter apply to the city commission for a review of the board's decision. Such application must be filed with the city manager in writing. Wait a second, that's not the one I typically read. Any person wishing to appeal any decision
made by the historic preservation board with respect to any matter considered at such meeting will need a record of the proceedings and for such purpose may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made at the applicant's expense which includes the testimony and evidence upon which the
appeal is to be based. Florida statute 286.105. Moving on to exparte communications. Gentlemen, ladies of the board, anything to report? >> No. >> If not, let's move on to item onee,
pardon me, F, which is an oath of office and perhaps more than one. >> Madame city clerk, >> Miss. Hi, Mark Turbo. I'm Mark Chambos, >> Historic Preservation Board appointee. >> Historic Preservation Board appointee
>> of the Palaca City Commission >> of the Palaca City Commission. Do you solemnly swear and affirm >> do you solemnly swear and affirm >> I will faithfully perform the duties >> I will faithfully perform the duties >> of my appointed office >> of my appointed office >> and will support and honor
>> and will support and honor >> to the best of my ability >> to the best of my ability >> all applicable laws >> all applicable laws >> of the state of Florida there we are >> of the state of Florida >> Putinham County >> Putham County >> in the city of Paca
>> in the city of Pa I hereby through this oath >> I hereby give this oath >> affirm that I will >> affirm that I will >> perform the duties >> perform the duties >> of this public trust and affair >> of this public trust and affairs >> equitable and ethical
>> ethical and ethical >> manner befitting >> manner >> befitting >> the dignity and responsibilities >> the dignity and responsibilities >> of the office >> of the office. >> Yeah. Um, you may be seated.
>> Thank you, sir, and welcome aboard. >> Um, does Mr. Turnbo join us up here or does he participate from afar? >> I'm cool. >> Okay, you're cool. >> You're cool. We're cool. All right, everybody. Cool. In that case, let's move on to um item two, which is the
approval of minutes from our March 5th, 2026 historical preservation board meeting. Looking for a motion to approve. >> Thank you, Mr. Hollister. Looking for a second. >> Thank you, Miss Vote. All in favor, please say I. I. And oppose. Excellent.
Let's move on to public comments. Opening the floor to public comments not related to items on the agenda today. Do we have anyone who would like to speak with us? Let's close down public comments and move on to new business, which
originally um began with St. Mary's Episcopal Church in an overview of where we were in the process, but from my understanding is now going to be presented to us in a smaller fashion by
Renee Brown. Thank you so much, my friend. Good afternoon everybody. This is a request for a report from the Historic Preservation Board stating that we have
complied with all the criteria from the National Register of Historic Places for the St. Mary's Episcopal Church to be on the National Registry. The church is located at 809 St. John's Avenue in the downtown business district. And on
behalf of the church, the applicant is Dr. Diane Taylor. The property owner is the Episcopal Church and Dascese of Florida, Inc. So, there's three things that I've given you a handout that the report needs to
include and if you are comfortable with it, I can report this back to the state myself uh with your permission. Number one is the city of Palaca, the planning department and the historic preservation board, also the community
are aware of this designation is occurring. So we've posted signs and we've done letters. Um we have to agree on that. The second is to confirm that St. Mary's Episcopal Church is eligible and the
documentation is complete for the state and for the um application. And number three, lastly, is to ensure that any additional information is here and included before we do report this to the state.
So, I don't know if you want to have a discussion about this first or uh however you want to hand handle it. Chair, >> uh my my obvious question would be as the person coming before us um from the
city of Palaca. Uh we know that that we are aware because we have talked about this at previous meetings. If you could assure us that the planning board is also aware and the community is also aware, I believe that would tick that box.
>> Um, I can go over it with the planning board. I had put the planning department. Uh, but I can also >> Oh, I'm sorry. The planning department. >> That's fine. Yes, of course. We're aware and we have the file and I feel the file is complete. >> Okay. So, planning department, HPB, the community are aware.
>> Yes, ma'am. Second point is confirm that the property itself is eligible and that the documentation is complete. >> Absolutely. >> Ticking that point. Lastly, ensure that any additional information that should be there is there. >> Yes. And I have discussed this with uh
Dr. Taylor and she feels everything is complete as well. >> Excellent. Apart from wishing Godspeed, is there anything else that is needed from us? For example, should we open this up to public comment? You know what? Let's go ahead and open
it up just to be absolutely sure that later on we don't get accused of not doing that. Opening up to public comment on the matter. Seeing none, we'll close that down. Sorry, I shouldn't have said close that down. We're going to shut her down.
Yeah, we got to be quick. You really do. But the meetings Yeah. blow quickly. Yes, ma'am. So, we're all together in this and and everybody is fine. Uh the next step is going to be May 7th. They're going to vote on uh this item. I
will get the link out for web webinar to each one of you uh if you wanted to view it. And um we have a HPB meeting that day. So, we can't make it to Tallahassee. So, we we love a good webinar webinar. So, absolutely. Uh Miss Kaylor, did you
wish to say anything? You must be so incredibly excited, my friend. If so, if you would join us in My name is Diane Taylor. Um, and I live at 261 West River Road in Palatka. And this is so incredibly neat because now
precious little St. Mary's Church will move on to the National Register. and everything I've heard from Tallahassee is super positive and they're anxious to include the little church. And then we'll work on a small matching grant to get um estimates on repairing her and
then a grant to get started to repair her and restore her. >> Congratulations. Truly truly >> community. >> All right. Uh moving along in our agenda to item uh B
which is case number HPPP 2608 417 Kirby Street. It is a request for approval of additions and exterior maintenance improvements including shed sheds ADA ramps tall work painting and concrete repair. The address is 417
Kirby Street. The press D ends in 0030. And let's move right into city staff comments. Well, you said my first paragraph for me, so I'm going to go on. Um, the photographs illustrate the new products and placement, also where the
regular maintenance would be executed. Um, Mr. Decker put together a fabulous uh folder of pictures. That's where my pictures from my staff report. A lot of those came from. The applicants are
here. Um, the Florida master site file narrative says that it's a two-story house with a large front porch across the full width of the house plus one bay extension for the carport. The porch, roof, brackets, and columns provide
primary detailing for the house. It's a brief report, but it is included in your packet. If you have any questions, the applicants are here. >> Excellent. Uh, Mr. and Mrs. Decker, if if you would like, come introduce yourselves and tell us a bit about the
project. Absolutely. I mean, if you wouldn't mind or you don't have to, but we always like to say hello and welcome. >> Um, my name's James Decker and this is my wife, Morning Decker. We are the property owners of 417 Kirby Street and
we've owned the property since 2013 and we've been putting a lot of work into the house cuz it's just it's beautiful and we just want to keep it that way and what we're wanting to do is extend it into the next century.
>> Excellent. Stewarding an old home for future generations is what we are all about. >> It's history. >> Absolutely. Oh, thank you, sir. Our new best friend. Um, okay. So, meanwhile, uh, do we have questions for the
homeowner or indeed for city staff at this point? And then we'll go kind of one by one down the list and and just make sure that we're on the same page. >> No. Okay. >> I have one question. >> Oh, sorry. It looks like you're doing
the ramps just over the existing stairways so that the original stairways will be preserved. Um the are you talking the front ramp or the rear? Well, there's two in the rear and then one off to the uh carport or whatever you call that
>> right now is it's just future goal in case we need it to get out of a car if the weather's you know not very this is Florida and the one in the back we have worked in the past with our prior uh planning
zoning people and we had a few things on the uh agenda that we would possibly make that little room in the back a mud room and a shower and that was the area where it's a double ramp where and that
would be in the back of the house. So I I believe your question was with the original >> is is the one that um obviously weathers in Clement that might be one that is high on the list.
>> But I believe your question was more along the lines of would the original stairs be removed or would the ramp be built over it? Not our plan would be to uh what we would like to do if we do do it is to put aluminum type ramp there.
So it's 88. >> So it's not so it won't mess me I hate this word but it won't hurt the original structure of the house. It'll just be over the steps. >> I it will be over the steps. I do not believe it will drill into steps or anything like that. I believe will just
rest on it that they're not going to Thank you. And and I had one question as well, and I'm I'm referencing um page 27 in our um agenda packet, and I'm just a tiny bit confused because it has to do
with the sheds. And what I'm looking at is to the far left, pardon me, right of the photographs, it looks like a threecar garage. >> Yes. >> Did I miss a threecar garage somehow?
It's right there. >> Right. Yes. If you put your cursor Yes, >> it's already there. >> It's already there. >> Okay. I I feel like a complete idiot. I drove past it like on a side street slowly and I was like, it looks like a vacant parcel of land. But if it's
already there, it's already there. So, what you're talking about is putting an additional storage unit in front of it. Okay. >> To the side. >> To the side. Okay. I'm gonna drive back over and take another look. I feel like a complete idiot right now.
>> That was embarrassing. Uh, talk about due diligence going wrong. Okay. Um, so do we have other questions for the homeowners at this point? Do we have questions for city staff at this point? Okay.
Of the homeowner? Oh, absolutely. >> Hi. Um, are the sheds going to be painted the same color as the house? >> They're going to be the same color as the garage. >> Okay. >> Which is Sheron Williams
>> historical color, >> it is. >> Okay. Thank you. I just noticed that this was a different >> this picture was different color than Yeah, yes. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. Okay,
>> I have a question. >> Mr. Hollister, >> you have a threec car garage. How come you need more storage room? >> Do any of you folks own a garage and park your car in it? >> Well, most people if they have a garage, it ends up being an area where you
cannot park your vehicles. And that is what we are tending or let me rephrase that we would like to be able to do. And I'm a hobbyist. And the other side of the garage is my man cave
or our cave, excuse me. >> I'll hear that later. >> Yeah, gathered that. >> Thank you. Do we have other questions for the homeowners? Do we have >> And the shed that I'm showing here is just to give a perspective,
>> right? Thank you. Do we have questions for city staff? Where where I'm leading here is opening it up to public comment. All right, let's go ahead and uh Mr. Decker, if you could, I believe we have a question for city staff. So, thank you
>> for the moment and we might bother you again. >> Very good. >> But at the moment, we're bothering Miss Brown, Miss Vivville. Are these types of metal sheds typically allowed per city regulations in a
historic district? >> Yes, they have wind uh restraints that they have to fall under. That's why the little spec sheet he provided as well to show you that it is uh hurricane resistant. Basically,
>> we we are indeed addressing at this point. I believe the um I would call it slippery wicket that came into fact when we approved some very large sheds very close to this property. And at the time there were
members of our board that said if you allow this here you allow it everywhere. However, that was indeed what occurred. Um, the good news is in my estimation they they are not attached to the
historic property in any way. They're freestanding, could be moved at any time. Um, maybe they are not the most beautiful thing in the world, but they they certainly don't um cause harm to a historic facade and in in that way at
least we can feel a bit better. Other questions for city staff? Thank you, Miss Brown. >> Um, should we lead with the sheds or should we come back and visit the sheds later or what are we thinking?
>> Okay, let's talk about the sheds first. It is number one. Um, and as I said, we we do have we have done this in the past more than once. Um, what are our feelings about the sheds? Miss Pierce,
>> um, my personal opinion about the sheds are they're not historically accurate. Um, and I know you've said that previous board has placed them or allowed them on certain
residents, but we are not that past board. Um, I guess I have a question. Um, you have one shed that's a 8 by6. Are these like not They don't have windows. They're just straight metal. They're not >> They have
>> If you could. Thank you. >> They do have windows on the end. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Miss Decker, if we'd love for you to Okay. Well, we want to say hi to you, too. Um, one of the the things and and
um Oh, wow. How do we even address this? Um, first of all, if if we if we made something a precedent, we can't really go back and say we're not that same board. Yeah. >> Um, I did not vote for the prior sheds. >> Um, however, the rest of the board did
and that vote carried and there you are. What we have done in the past is we have asked people to take the sheds and indeed make them as historical as they possibly can. So that got into more of like a the doors, the windows, how the whole
thing was finished, how it looked more historic as opposed to just looking like a metal shed. I believe that is still something that we could do. Ms. West, >> you you can condition it that to get to uh Miss Beville's question, there's
nothing in the code that prohibits a metal shed in a historic district. Um, however, in your past decisions fairly recently, within the last year, you have approved sheds with detail work on the exterior.
>> The Miss Elizabeth, do we have a picture of the current shed without a red box on it? I'm just trying to see what I mean if that has like if it's just a blank facade or if it's >> Miss Pierce I didn't notice the garage and now you're asking me about the shed
that isn't there. >> Well, I I was just wondering because if we're asking if we move forward and ask him to maybe put something to where it looks more like it was there the whole time. I have no idea what's Oh, no, no, no. Go back right there. I have no idea what's on the other side of that red
box. If there's actually windows there. it. Actually, I just want to see how this shed is going to marry into that building, how it's going to look like it's been on that property. >> Okay. >> I mean, I I do see that you have color samples, and I do appreciate that that you're going to paint it to make it
blend better, but I was just trying to see what >> what our intent is is to have it blend in with the garage. The same color paint that you see there. And the shed does
have a tin colored metal roof. And our intent is to match the roof of the garage with paint. >> So you're going to blend it and marry it as best as possible. >> And we've also talked if there were any restrictions on landscaping.
>> Yes. >> And there are not. And our intention is is to put some shrubberies, trees. >> Okay. Uh my wife Moren's rather odd artsy and we want we too wanted to blend in.
Okay. Because you take a look at the property and look at the house and you can see that we put gutters onto it to make it look you know >> of era. >> Yes. >> We that's our whole intent. >> We don't want it to be and to add
>> these buildings are 80 square foot and 128 square foot. They are not big sheds. They're little sheds. The 16 ft is about the size of a mediumsiz car in length. >> Okay. So, it would actually fit where
that red is currently. It would be the same length more or less. >> Yes. Outside by the garage. The one um the other one uh towards the house is actually I wanted to show give us >> a general description of where it's at. It's
actually going to slide up a little bit more towards the house. Okay. >> And once we build this back uh uh uh room that we want to do in the future, >> everything's out of pocket. So, it's everything's in the future. >> Yes. >> But >> you won't even see it.
>> It would be blocked. >> And to boot from the distance from where these pictures were taken is approximately good 150 foot. Okay. >> They were taken from Kirkland.
>> Okay. >> So, that's probably one of the reasons why you just didn't see it. >> Well, actually, I I I am embarrassed to note that the garage is behind the house. So, of course, I didn't see it to the south side of the property because
it isn't actually located there. Um >> I've never noticed it either. >> Yeah. Um All right. So, so now we're actually dealing with with another kind of not necessarily wrinkle, but but facet of the equation. It can be seen from the road if you're really paying
attention, but for the most part, it's by the house. >> It most certainly is. It's 32 feet into our property line, our side, our property line. Okay. >> Thank you.
>> Um, and you know what? Public comment again. Yep. Got it. Sorry. I get so nervous sometimes up here and you wouldn't think that because I've been here for years. All right. So, we are talking about the two sheds. Do we have comments, additional questions, anything
of that nature? We may not like them, but unfortunately >> they're kind of a thing, but they're not a permanent thing. And that in itself is good news. >> They are horrible. Miss Pivville,
>> there are all sorts of sheds that are be temporary and movable. Is there a way that we could say that they needed to be they have ones that are clad in woods? They'd look more, you know, they'd look more historic instead of a metal building in
a historic neighborhood. I don't know if that's in our purview or not. Again, in in the past, we have certainly talked about the type of doors, the type of windows, the type of framing, the type of paint going on these to make them for all intents and purposes disappear as
much as they can. That I feel we can do. Although the the homeowner, you know, might have an objection to that. And if he does, uh if they do, then certainly they could move forward. But if if you have a thought, the
homeowners are here. They appear to be lovely people. And perhaps you should vocalize that thought. >> Think I just did. No, >> if I may, um if you're coming down Kirby Street, they do have um
basically a a house door on it. It's not one of these little ricky thing. It's the structure is built to 180 mph winds. That's far greater than our winds here in Palaca. And we had that garage
built to date county code because that's our safe haven if things go sideways. So we think forward. >> Mr. Hollister, >> I I just did you look at wooden sheds.
>> We had encountered when we were having that garage build, we wanted to go with the similar woods to the community >> and we were told we could not do that. They wanted to show a break in the history. So we had to settle for hard
war. That's why we did not and we are not considering wood >> plus the added maintenance. This house right here, it's maintenance on the exterior is to trim around the windows. The rest of the house, there's no
maintenance. >> Well, and and conforming to the guidelines that that are set forward to us, if you are doing new construction, you don't want it to look old. you wanted to be able to be differentiated from the historic structure. So, I get
why that happened with your garage. And in a way, it kind of flies in the face of what we're attempting to do here right now, where we want you to make your storage sheds look old. Um, all right. Other thoughts, board members?
Looking for a way to move forward so we can get to the easier parts of the um COA. Oh, come on, guys. You're not going to make me pass a gavvel two months in a row. Um, they they
they are storage sheds. They are a reality. We don't necessarily like them, but there's nothing against them in our code. Um, we could ask the homeowners to paint them color similar to the house. The homeowners have
already said they'd be glad to do that. >> Chair, if I may, there there have been a little bit of concern from this board that a lot of your CLAs have been overturned in recent days or years. Um I I would caution on any sort of
disapproval getting appealed. It it will get appealed if there's not a basis in the code for that can justify this board's decision. So, just keep that in mind and we can have a conversation later about whether or not you want to have the code
modified um to basically reflect your intentions here. We can do that, but as it stands right now, we can't hold a property owner to a standard that does not exist. That will get overturned.
>> I'd like to make a motion um based on the past sheds that have been approved. I've never been for them. um still not the other ones have been that's what the ordinance have have been and we've had to follow if you're willing to paint it
like you said the color of the garage >> and everything and I know your home it's a beautiful home I know your garage it's a very my husband envies your garage >> I make a motion to pass or to agree to
go ahead and let you have the sheds matching the color of your garage. >> Thank you. We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Thank you, Miss Pierce. We have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. I. And opposed.
And an A from Miss Pavville. If you could note that, please. Thank you. Uh, moving on to other items in the COA. The ADA ramps over front porch, side stairs, and back stairs. Do we have issue with
this part of the application? If not, I'm looking for a motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. >> Thank you, Miss Bavville. And a second. >> I'll second. >> Thank you, Miss Vote. All in favor, please say I. I. Tile on risers of front
stairs. Um, looks as though to me they've found a wonderful match for what is existing and I think it's a great idea. Do we have other comments, gentlemen, and lots of ladies? If not, >> I'll go ahead and make a motion to
accept the tiles for the front steps as presented. >> Thank you, Miss Pierce. And a second. >> Also, >> thank you, Miss Vote. All in favor, please say I. >> I. Chair. For the final issuance of your COA, if I could just provide some guidance from the Secretary of Interior
guidelines on historic buildings. on the ramps. Um, new additions like ramps, uh, as Miss Bevel pointed out with her earlier question, must be designed so they can be removed in the future without destroying the original materials. If you could kindly have your
COA reflect um, that caveat. >> Thank you, Miss West. Um, are we backtracking to that motion? >> Just in the final issuance of your COA, if you could make that clear. Okay. Certainly. Um
the exterior body and trim painted along with new sheds to match. Ladies looking for a motion to approve. Thank you, Mr. Hollister. And a second. >> A second. >> Thank you, Miss Beville. All in favor,
please say I and opposed. Uh moving on to number five, resurface front walkways, two stairs. Do we have an issue with this? If not, looking for a motion to approve. >> Motion to approve.
>> Sorry, I'll second. >> Thank you, Miss Bavville. Thank you, Miss Vote. All in favor, please say I. >> And if someone would like to please add the caveat, I'm assuming that would be Miss Beville that Okay. Um, thank you, Miss Pierce.
Um, as for the um ADA ramps for the front porch and the side um the front porch side steps and the back stairs, um, we would recommend them to be
removable. Um, not permanent fixed structures through the building or to the steps. And, um, I guess that would be the driveway and sidewalks. Is there >> I I believe that
>> does that suffice the >> Yes, without Yeah. So, as long as it's not fixed to the structure that is there currently, we're good. >> We will work with the city and follow their code on how they're installed
because there are safety reasons for everything and I'll let the experts guide us. Because the the steps will still be there, but you still have to have them so you're not move. They don't move. So, how would you
not have them? >> They may not have to be to the concrete or the step. They may be able to be attached to the wood, but we don't know that at this time. >> Yeah, >> I understand. I'm just we were just requiring I what I'm understanding you
don't demolish the steps. They can be secured with the steps or the house >> structurally. It's just not demolishing >> as long as there's no no damage to the structure. >> Well, would it be possible to turn back to those that picture of the steps?
>> I just want to show the board something a little interesting that we think is just unique. If you look at that very first step, the size of that riser when we bought that house, we come down the steps and that's an extended step. And we were trying to
figure out why is that? >> About a month or so later, there was a fair down at the park and there was a Model T and we stepped on our Model T. >> I said, "That's the height of either a carriage or a Model T on and off about
step down below. >> No, that's historic. >> You know our if you would Oh, sorry to say know our background. You would see our cachion for historic. >> Thank you. Um, does anyone on the board have a problem with adding that caveat
to the back of our COA? Okay. Um, in which case I believe we are done here. >> We didn't finish the motion. I don't think did she didn't finish it, >> did she? >> I thought she >> I think she seconded it. Nobody second
it. >> Oh, okay. >> Sorry. In that case, I am looking for a second, please. Thank you, Mr. Vote. All right, we have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. I
opposed. Excellent. Thank you so much. >> Welcome back, my neighborhood. Glad to have you. >> All right, moving on in our agenda to item five, other business. Um, we were asked as a board last month to address
the city of Palaca with any questions that we had that we would like to potentially have answered or workshopped. Um, I don't see it on the agenda, so I'm guessing that will happen at a future meeting. Am I correct? I had forwarded the uh your questions and concerns to Mr. Lorenzo, but I have
not received any response uh at the moment yet. So, I'll consult with Mr. Lorenzo and and I could, you know, perhaps Yeah, perhaps be in next month's meeting. We'll we'll have to sort out. >> He is on vacation out of the country right now. >> Did >> bear with us.
>> Oh, no problem. Did you receive multiple questions from multiple board members or because >> I'm sorry terms. Uh but I I have only received the response from yourself. I haven't received any I don't know if anybody else got my email or not. Uh but
the only response I got is from yourself. So >> um you can think of some other questions between now and then. That would be >> well I and I bring this up only because I didn't initiate this. I just felt like somebody should ask some questions. >> Um,
>> understood. >> Right. >> Well, let let's go ahead. Um, if if we would, Miss Vote, and and take the proper channel and get those into city staff so that we can do it by the book. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. >> Um, moving on to board member comments. Um, I believe Mr. Hollister, you might have had something in this department. I'm not certain. >> I just wanted to know if anybody has seen the progress over at the Bronson
house. I walked the dogs by. He's got the decks on. The railings are up. It looks pretty good. >> I I saw it um last week when I was on that side, I guess, one street up from
where I live. But I drove by and I got very excited. kind of took a picture of it and sent it to the president of the historical society because she was actually out of state um for a funeral and I told her how amazing the progress was. So, I'm very thrilled to see we are coming to a close on that.
>> And another thing, has anybody noticed anything missing by the Bronson House? >> I'm thrilled about that, too. >> Oh, the the sign the visit black is on. So, on the Bronson House, um, just for situational awareness, there is a fairly
hefty change order coming through for the city commission to consider at the April 9th meeting. I believe it's in excess of $100,000. Um, if if you're liking what you see and you want to see this project cross the
finish line, um, regardless of how you feel, I would urge you to contact your city commissioners to to let them know. Either attend the meeting and speak during public comment or just email them to let them know your thoughts on the Bronson Mohalland house. >> Awesome. >> And this is next Thursday.
>> Yes, at nine o'clock. Six o'clock. I wish it was at 9. Um I I had a question and um I I believe it's a a super easy question and that is um
let me make sure that I understand as I as I thoroughly believe I do how you get appointed to this board. Um, for example, if you are appointed as a I don't want to say auxiliary member, an
alternate member, um, do you need to actually fill out an application and say, I would like to move up to being a full board member and also to the best of my knowledge, just please confirm that the application process has nothing
to do with the chairman or the co-chairman. has to do with the application and the city commission making the approval. >> That that is absolutely correct. Um you don't have a a say on the applications for the board appointees. Those go
before the city commission typically on the consent agenda. The city commission is undergoing a review of our entire uh makeup of our boards and committees. So you may see some changes coming through in a policy regarding um excused
absences um and attendance policies but um other than that you're you're absolutely right. As to your question about the alternate members procedurally we actually don't have in place right now what the process is if there's a
vacancy if they automatically move up or not. that isn't clear within um the code governing the historic preservation report. >> Well, perhaps that might be something to to add getting it in there so that you know >> um
>> you're you're one of the few boards that actually has alternates. So, this like our planning board doesn't have alternates. So, it's >> Oh, you want us to teach the other boards for the seminar? >> You're happy to do that. All right. I'm I'm I'm just glad that I
clarified that. Um there there was a little bit of a question in my mind when when we had an open seat. Did Miss Rosa, for example, um just automatically ascend to the board? And I thought to myself, I don't believe so. I believe she would have to fill out an application and do the whole review
process, right? >> But then I sort of heard through the grapevine that it had something to do with me. And I was like, yo, no. >> Absolutely. >> Blame me all you want, but not that. You're absolutely right. Absent a policy or something in the code that would provide guidance, we would stay in that
same position unless she applied otherwise. >> Absolutely. Thank you for the clarification. Do we have other board member comments? If not, let's go with uh staff comments. I believe Miss Off has something for us. Thank you, ma'am.
>> Good afternoon. Um this is purely informational but felt it necessary that we inform the the board here uh that the staff is going to be presenting potential eligibility of the central business district for
listing in the national register of historic places. Um, the city of Placa has undertaken several historic documentation efforts in recent years, including the completion of a 2023 historic resources
survey and the preparation of a preliminary site information questionnaire for individual structures. Based on this information, the Florida Bureau of Historic Preservation has determined that the Central Business District does appear to potentially be
eligible for individual listing in the National Register of Historic Places. So, we will be taking this information and presenting it at the CRA board meeting on April the 20th. And then once we've done that, it will also follow to
the next board meeting for the city be presented there as well where we will be asking for um some approval to go to to pass through that next pro phase of process to to get this listed. >> Can I ask a question? It might be dumb, but I'm going to ask. Is that for the
whole central business district? >> So, that's one of the things that they'll be they'll be working through as part of this process. And um because they're basically what they need to do is determine where the boundaries the appropriate boundaries will be for those for where the bu different buildings are
what's considered what would be considered part of the national registry. Um and so that would have they would need to determine where it would be prudent for those boundaries to to begin and end. So, another question, does that include the residential homes
or and and would you be using the boundaries that we have now? Because I know we have a river business district, which is across the street from me and then mine is at >> it will not necessarily be the same boundaries. That's why they're going to be doing this study and putting together
information to figure out for this particular effort where those boundaries would be. It doesn't necessarily have to align with what we consider the CRA boundaries. >> Okay. So there'd be like two. There would be the national register of that area and then that would still be the
central business >> correct >> district. Okay. >> Those will be independent. It just Okay. This may fall within or obviously some of this will fall within the CRA. >> Okay. Well, because I know the central business is already I'm trying to look from a real estate point.
>> Okay. Well, I mean, I'm I'm trying to understand it from a real estate point how that affects it the des because now the residents, let's say on my block can sell their house as uh residential or commercial and so I didn't know is this going to
change that. >> Yeah. So, I I will add that we have Paul Weaver is the historian that is doing this. You you may be familiar with him. He's the one that testified as an expert on that that one appeal that we had, has a lot of significant experience, and
actually did the 1981 historical survey that the city depends on constantly for the HPB. So, he will be doing the survey map to determine which of the historic structures that will make up the the the boundary. This has been deemed important
and as a priority of the mayor because as it stands right now, any one of those buildings in the central business district could be demolished without any sort of approval from this board. They would not have to come before this board
for any sort of COA. So they would be subject to the same sort of rules and regulations that the South Historic and the North historic are currently subject to. that does matter in terms of being a realtor in terms of how you market those properties and the disclosure of that
historic designation. >> Okay. So, those will now be I guess included on our I guess in our approvals of what they can do. >> You're going to get more work. >> Wow. >> Awesome. No, I think that's idea because
city hall is not even it's not protected. >> I like it. I like it too. >> So, Miss O, what are you looking for from us? I mean, in looking at the staff recommendation, it says that the HPB
provide feedback and indicate general support. >> Yeah. So, we're not really looking for anything formal. This is moreformational just to make you aware that this this is the process that we're going to be following going forward with the presentation to the CRA board as well as to the city commission. Would it be okay
to indicate absolute support instead of just generally supporting? >> Would you like a motion and a second? >> Sure. >> All right. Looking for a motion and a second to absolutely support this. >> I will go ahead and make the motion to absolutely support this. >> I bet Miss Vote is going to second.
Excellent. We have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. I. And opposed. >> Oh, and a nay from Miss Favville. Interesting. Okay. As is your right. Um
a but what a downer. Not sure about that. Have some chocolate. >> Um do we have other staff comments? Um, I I would strongly encourage if you have never been to the Division of State
Historic Resources to review that application before that board in Tallahassee if you can make it. I know we have the HPB meeting that day, but if you can go in person, it's a really special um sort of experience. I attended in Tallahassee when the
waterworks facility got that designation and it's just really cool. Um it would be awesome to have someone from Black that that could attend um if you can do it in person. If you can't, please please watch online. Uh it's it is a super important and special occasion.
>> Absolutely. Thank you so much. Um gentlemen, ladies, would you like to adjourn the meeting, Mr. Hollister? >> Thank you. >> I'll second. We