code enforcement on the city of Palco. Uh this is June 17, 2025. By way of introduction, my name is Ron Brown. I'm an attorney licensed in the state of Florida and pursuant to city code and state statute. I've been appointed by the city commission of city polite to
preside over today's proceedings. This is not a formal court of law. We're not obligated to follow the formal rules of civil procedure or the rules of evidence as you might find in the county courthouse. We are by law, however, required to follow the basic notions of due process and fairness and require that all the evidence submitted be what
is called substantial and competent. That is evidence that would allow a reasonable person to reach a reasonable conclusion on the matter at hand. What will happen today is that the city will be making presentation concerning alleged violations of one or more aspects of the city code and they'll
present evidence and testimony. violation and whether a fine is appropriate and how much that fine will be and that fine can vary depending on the severity of the violation and the need to ne to motivate a solution if necessary.
One of the requirements of law is that all the testimony however must be sworn. I'm going to start by asking the code enforcement officers from the city who will be testifying to please rise and take an oath. I'll ask it to lies as their cases are called. Let Michelle, we
have two code enforcement officers here. Um, Mr. Gimmo and Miss Low were both here. Can you raise your right hand for me? You saw me swear you saw me swear affirm that testimony give the HP the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Let the record show that they have
answered in the affirmative. We only have one case today. So their testimony will those oath will be good for all testimony, but since we only have one, we'll take care of it at that time. We're going to call the case we have that will be case number 20 25 uh 26507.
Is that correct? That can't be right. 2025 26. All right. And property at 507 Dunham Street in Paladco. um owner of record. Uh looks like it's Kyle Grimes and Brenda Grimes. Are either of them here today? Mr. Grimes,
come forward, please. Yes, sir. And you are Kyle Grimes, the owner of the property at 507 Donut. Yes. Raise your right hand for me. You saw me swear or affirm the testimony to give today's piece the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Yes, I am. All right. By way of introduction, the city,
according to my file, is making an allegation that there are two violations. one of city code section 94192 parking storage or use of major recreational equipment specifically it looks like a shed and
secondly a violation of 94-33 uh requiring a building equipment is that correct Miss Lo yes all right Miss Lo is going to be handing the case for the city uh she's going to be going through her initial presentation there will be some photographs I presume is
that correct that's all the evidence that's shown will be seen on the screen. If you have trouble seeing it, let us know. We'll make sure to get some paper copies. All right, Miss Le. Yes, sir. For the record, Christy app code enforcement. We're here today on case number 2020.
Just for the record, former family's case. He is in school this week. So, I am taking place on Friday. Again, this case is a student street. Um, it was first violation on
March 7th. The notice for this hearing was out on June 3rd. We did receive the green cards backing was June 3rd 25 was the same.
Right. Let me ask a question on due process while we're at that point. Yes. Um Mr. Grimes, you're here so you know about this. I do. And and I just want to make sure we have something. The your correct mail address is 507 Dunham Street. Is that correct? No. What is
your what is the correct address? Okay. That is your correct address. And that's where the one that I'll be using. And that's where the certified mail was sent. Miss Low, is that correct? That's correct, sir. All right. And did you get a green card back from me? I did. Yes, ma'am. You did? You posted the property anyway? That's correct. In an abundance
of caution? Yes, ma'am. All right. Now point being the state statute requires one level of notification. Another if that one doesn't work one is to send it to the certified a certified letter to the address of record and that address is the one in Maine. Did you come back down here from Maine for this? I' I've
traveled multiple times since I appreciate health problems. So I appreciate you doing that. I just want to make sure we got the correct address for the mailing and she she not noticed the property which is an alternative under state law. terms and it was placed
in the black. So you're here which is a good thing. Now you got two alleged violations. Is that correct? That's correct. And 94192 and then 9433. All right. Did um you have some
photographs you're going to show. Did you take the photographs you're showing? All right. And do the photographs actually photographs you took actually represent the condition of the property date in which you took them? That's correct. Do the photographs that were not taken by you? You said you matched
up your review of the property with those photographs. And those photographs represent the condition of the property. Please proceed. Yes. This is going to be photograph A26. So it was taken 185.
Um he is showing here that there is a structure unit property with no permit. So what what's the technical violation here? You can't put the shed without a permit. That's all you need. That's what he needed for this. All right.
Okay. I just asking when you did somebody notifying before the hearing today or before you set the hearing date. Yes. Mr. So, it's Mr. Grimes, I'll ask you, is that consistent with your understanding and Mr. Bartelli talked to you about
this need for a permit? Uh, I addressed the need for permit and not only did I take the permit, I ended up paying double because it was actually the
mistake. We owned it. They told me, "No, I did make a mistake because the permit is usually $50. I had to $100 and I did that. Um, well the question is I guess as of today is there still a violation if he's got a permit? Correct.
I was advised the permit was not approved was not approved. Let me Why was it not approved? If I if I may. Sure. Well, you you've been sworn. Go ahead, Mr. Yeah. An
application was filed with the with the city with the planning department. He did pay the fees. Uh like he said was after the fact is report. Uh I reviewed the file and this is the shimmer
isn't accessory structure. So preschool use there is no preschool use in this lot where they cannot be permitted and besides that it requires a permit for the county as well because it's over 150
square feet and uh about 100 required to get a field. The field improvement itself is not each city. Is there an ordinance regarding requiring the principal residents to have a shed? Yes.
All right. So, he needs a permit under that circumstance. What does that ordinance say? You know, it requires you to have a principal use which would be an accessory. You cannot place
a shed or an instructor without a police. Do you have to have the the the house the principal? You're talking about basically a house or some principal building on the property. Is this limited to certain zoning districts or any property?
Right. So it doesn't matter what the zoning is or the land use. Yes. All right. So you have to apply for the permit or the principal use. Do you have to have the principal use finished before you can put the shadow under the count under the city's code? Yeah. All
right. So what this what you're telling me is that under the code as you're seeing it he's applied for a permit he can't get. And so the city's asking for what as a result of that? Removal of the shed. removal of the shed or the proper
permits with the county that there's going to be another structure perhaps put on this piece. Well, let me back up. So, you're applying to the county with this. So, there's two different permits that he needs. He needs the permit from us and the county. So, what do you what does he what does
he need from you and then what does he need from the county? This is important because if you're going to if you're going if you want a finding that's fine, but you got to give him a compliance target. Yes. So what is what has he got to do to bring this into compliance? Two permits apparently. Yeah. Can I explain?
Sure. The county the city has a contract agreement with the counties in 2017. Since that time the county issues the permit and all the services for the building code. In other
words, they issue a permit and when post to the county for a building permit, they send it to us just for verifying the study. That's the way it work now. when he came to us, you know, I was not
he was enforcing that he did a field that I don't know the process. So when he when he when when you talk with him do you talk with him about this? Well, who talked with him? Mr. Bartelli and officer. Do you
know? Hang on. We'll get you chat. Do Do you know Mr. Bartelli told him he would need two permits? So, I'm looking through Mr. Bartelli's notes. It just looks like he just put a the section 94-33, the building permit for
the city. All right. So, here's the thing. Is it going to be enough to bring the property into compliance to apply for these permits or does he have to get them? How long will that take? You say you have to apply for the permit
for physical use. I understand. If it is for a physical use, that would surprise. Okay. But if you just go to get a permit for the shed, then we will have to review that. I understand. I understand. I think that's the
and you've been eager um you know to talk Mr. Grimes. Go ahead. But what I'm what I'm hearing is you've got this shed on the property that requires a principal residence on the property. And what I'm trying to get at is what's a fair assessment of what you need to do
to to get compliance at this point in time with regard to that. Applying for a permit or getting a permit are two different things and can be wildly different in ter time and cost in terms of what it is. However, let me say this. If it's apply for a permit, then you can't just do that and forget about it.
It's got to have some progress. Go ahead. Well, the only reason that shed was on the property was so I could block tools. And I expressed to Mr. Alex how he addressed me his name was I later found out his name is Lorenzo.
over. So this is Lorenzo. This is Lorenzo. Okay. So I talked with a man who's you talked to Harold Bartelli. He came to the He came to the property. Who is he? Mr. Bartell came to the property. So I
did briefly talk, but Mr. Alex walked me through the process on getting the permit, assured me there wasn't going to be any problems, but I was going to have to pay the uh after the fact $50. I was never told that there was another permit
that it's premanufactured and delivered. I'm in the dark. I understand um ignorance is no excuse, but I didn't know on this. It says on the website that they're about educated. I've called multiple times and asked for all the
information I need. I'm still frustrated. I have a contractor that's going to be building on your house and he'll be going through the process after this for the permit. But um well, here's the thing I'm going back to.
Right now, from what I can tell, there's no disagreement of the fact we have a shed on this property. The shed can't be there unless there's a principal residence. The county's code, you I don't you're familiar with I have a little familiar with the county code and I hate to be testifying, but the county
tends to view it as you have to have an application for one in process as opposed to having it obtained. Right. Is that correct? That is correct. So that's different than getting it. No, the city would if I like I said he goes
and applies for single family home which he just says that he's going to do that then you know that application will suffice for us to for me to approve. Okay. So the city wants to impose a fine after a
certain period of time if I find a violation. I just the question is what's going to trigger the fine and what would delay it? And so if he makes an application within a certain time frame and then proceeds with that in a due manner, would that be satisfactory? Yeah. Is that what you're looking for?
Okay. All right. You understand where I'm trying to just work out how this works? Misinformation. So had I known this, I could I would have done everything to avoid this. I don't I'm delaying my trip. And I appreciate all of that.
Here's here's my situation. The only thing I get to look at is whether there's a violation today or not. And then I'm very concerned about making sure that the property owner has a very clear picture of what it's going to take to bring the property into compliance to solve that violation. That's all I'm asking. And so that's why I'm trying to get from them and you solving your
problem. I hope that there's a solution that you can understand and see. Now, I'm going to tell you, going through the process at the county to get that principal structure approved isn't just going to be something you're going to be able to do overnight. That's going to be some work and going to be some expense
involved and I expect there there would be a grace period for that and I put through the when I put through I appreciate you clarifying some of this because when I hit put never heard back
well you're here now we're trying to give you some information and you've got some contact people you're going to be able to stay in touch with regard regarding all this. Here's the thing. Um I think there's a violation today. From
what I'm hearing from the city, they're willing to say if you make the proper application for permits within the next 30 days, you can avoid any fines. You can walk out of here today without having to pay anything regarding all of this today. City doesn't have an administrative fee for the joy of coming
here as other jurisdictions do. And so that's a that's a wash at this point. But if you don't get it started within 30 days or make good progress on it, you could theoretically find yourself back here with another violation because you haven't made progress on it or move the
shed. One or the other. Understand? Yes. So don't delay. That's all I'm saying. The only reason people come to me is that they want a motivation from people. They really don't want your money, but they do want the motivation getting it done. That's all. All right. Let's take a look at the second one. This is the
one of um is it the the same thing related 941 192? We're still talking about the So um if you go to 1B that photo so 9493 is about the shed needing a
permit. Correct. So now we're 94 and 92. Parking storage are used of major recreational equipment. complaints. So, Mr. went back down to We didn't sight him for living there, did you? You didn't cite them for living there.
Uh, it's living in the shed. There's a violation 192 property or the storage or campers or Okay. Well, what do you have regarding so?
No, no, hang on. Hang on. Here's the way this works. This is about We're trying to create a record. So I want to make sure everybody nobody talk on top of each other. We're trying to get an organized view of it and we're looking at people have personal knowledge testimony. Yeah.
Okay. That's what this is about. I don't have I don't know if you have that. That's exactly right. Well then we can take a look at that when you you get a chance here. I'm trying to get the city in right now. So the city's taking a look at 19 94 192 that says in part
mga major recreational equipment is defined as including boats, boat trailers, travel trailers, pick up something. There's a hole in the middle of it or coaches designed to be mounted on automobile vehicles, motorized dwellings, tent trailers, house boats and the like and cases or boxes used for
transport transporting recreational equipment whether occupied by such equipment or not. No recreational equipment shall be used for living, sleeping, or housekeeping purposes when parked or stored on a residentially zoned lot except for permitted in an R4 district or any other location item. So
this is an R residentially zoned property. This is a residentially zoned property, but this isn't attached to the property. Okay, that was the other one. This one's about parking storage or use of this is about
particular kind of equipment I presume outside the shed. So the way it looks like Mr. Bartelli used this is section 94-20 on the storage or use the major recreational equipment and advis
and the complaint was is that he was residing in the storage. Okay. So, we're still still only talking about the shed. Nothing else. Nothing else. All right. And then the shed needs a permit. Yes, sir. Needs a permit. It's
considered major recreational equipment. It says storage or use and he was used being used for storage and it's a storage shed. Just curious how what part of
94192 meet the definition of a shed. Boats, boat trailers, travel trailers, pickup campers or coaches designed to be mount motorized dwellings, tent trailers, house boats and the like. Cases or boxes used for transporting recreational
equipment. Is a shed recreational equipment? I know you're irritating the case and all this. No, I'm I'm just I'm just reviewing it. I'm familiar with this section. We've used it several times. I'm just the way that Mr. Bartoi explained it to me is that this is being
stored. it was used as storage and then the way it reads parking storage for use of major recreational equipment. So it looks like he's saying the shed's major recreational Yes. I'm just trying to make sure I understand that that's what the code provides for. Yes, sir.
And you agree with that? All right. Is it you got some other arrows on 2C? So yes, sir. He was showing where there was a lot more air condition. Um, there's wires running to a generator. That was his evidence. I mean, it's all
the same evidence. It could show that, but that would assume it's all a recreational equipment. Okay. Anything else? Uh, that's basically all the evidence he has. And this is the photograph of the
posting of the property. Yes. Right. All right. Mr. subscribes. I appreciate it. So, this is manual where he rents a room to me directly next door which is adjusting to the
property. I live next door to the property that I own because I didn't want I didn't want but it's next door where I live. What's that? What's that? How's that relevant to this piece? I understand. How's that relevant to this
piece of You got to speak in the neighbors the neighbor um or one of the neighbors called and at a spite is weaponizing the code enforcement um and saying making false allegations
because I don't live there. It's storage. Okay. Yes. Okay. Okay. You sir come on up. And your name is document one one at a time. Your name sir? My name is Matt. Okay. And where do you live? You can
raise your right hand for me. You saw me swear or affirm the testimony she gives today should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. All right, please proceed. Okay, go ahead. from the day on the man. I ran into him from the days he stole
AC because it's hot. You got the world on his side. Right. So that's what all I've been seeing do. Okay. Just want to verify he wasn't staying in the sh. Okay. So and you've never seen
him live on the shed on the next door next door property. He lived with me. He never lived in that storage. Okay. Thank you. God. Does the city have anything in rebuttal
to them? No, we just have the witnesses that called in and made the complaints that what they advised and what they see. But they're not here either. They're not here. I'm sorry. I didn't ask them to come. So they're saying they actually saw somebody living in it as opposed to somebody going in and out of it or So
what we have is that one of the complaintants are saying that the little bags of complaints I don't smoke. I have a heart condition. What about the generator? The generator's been used to to charge
batteries, uh, DeWalt batteries. I have the battery box that I take with me and if I want to use the generator, I can charge it five times as fast is my solar that falls down. I don't
So, I think I can explain. I I don't even want to know who made the complaint because I have a pretty good idea. It's a public record. you can find out. It's I feel bad for the man, but again, that's not relevant to whether or not there's a violation, and I appreciate
your frustration. That bag that's hanging up there, more than welcome to look in that. It's still right there. There's certainly no fees there. Okay. So, you're storing other items around the shed and there's a generator
and that generator there charges batteries in the shed. I have a a extension cord that at one point I ran into the window so I could walk so I could lock the doors and while my batteries were charging if I need to
run to the store. What batteries are in there? I have a jackeri battery and then I have some power tool batteries. Um, in order for me to charge them for different things that I would be doing, projects and helping Mr. Wear on his house,
I have to charge that up at times. And I'm very cautious about not having my stuff stolen. So, I have to lock the door. And that is that that is the reason why there was a a cord in the window. So, I could lock the door while those batteries were charging. Do you
understand how somebody might assume somebody might be living there at least part time? Do you understand how somebody might assume that running the generator all night might go with all was that a part of the allegation? That was the allegations that the
generator runs through the day and through the evening and I don't do that and I also don't smoke cigarettes. All right, guys. You're testifying and your neighbor who is is allowing you to stay with him
testifies. You don't live in there. So, you don't ever sleep in there. You never cook in there. You You never use it for any other purpose other than storage. Is that correct? That's it. That's correct. You're under oath. You're under oath. This is going to follow you around. And
same with the city. So that that's not how this is being used. No. That's all. All right. So, you're going to continue to stay with your neighbor until you get such a result
trying to settle this and get a contractor that's going to be doing some work. Express after the fact permit that was just the whole time that it takes to get Well, let me ask you something. How
often are you actually down here? like in weeks or days. Still here. Okay. So, how long how how long are you down here? What what times of the year are you down here? I would like to be here just within Well, I would ask you I ask you when what are the times you are here?
When have you been here in the past in Florida in general or No, right here. I just bought this property at the beginning of the year. Okay. And since January, how often have you been here? How many trips have I made? Since January 1st, and this is June
17th, of those number of days, how many of those days have you been here? 90. 90. And you've stayed with your neighbor? I had an Airbnb. I stayed with a girlfriend. And I also All right. And you've never stayed here.
So So you haven't been back to me? Okay. Were you running the generator when you were gone? No. Okay. I see how this way.
So, we've got some conflicting evidence on whether he's living in there. That's correct. All right. Anything else anybody has about this? Understand why the uh about the first permit? It looks like um when you hold up the property appraisers, this
property was yours first, right? that it was attached to your house. So when the permit looks like when the permit was filed and you pull it up from the property which I was looking at Mr. Mart's notes, it looked like it still showed you as the owner, right? So then it wouldn't have been no issue because you already had a structure, right? So
it looks like what happened when the pictures were submitted and then it looks like it the deed was signed all within this. So you must have got a letter because I saw where it came back. So I believe sir that's where the confusion came with the permit. Um when
it was pulled up it looks like it was attached. Yes. But the case it was deed over to Mr. B. So that looks like why it's can no longer be considered because it's one lot. Okay guys
here's the deal. This is a recorded proceeding. If you want to be heard, you come up here and you stand in that microphone and you can be heard and then see if it's relevant. All I'm asking right now is when he was here and whether he's running the generator.
What I've got is a situation where I'm looking at a picture now, which is number one B. So, I'm looking at around the outside of this shed. There are items stored on this property, including a motorcycle, including looks looks like something else on the right
side. Is that a violation that the city is looking at? No, sir. Okay. Showing what Mr. Barkelly was showing when he explained this to me is that he has a ride, a chair, a two. He's showing that he put an address on there
like it was a residence. Like you would normally pull up and you would see somebody's vehicle, somebody's lawnmower. He has an address on the shed now where it is now his property. It's it's What about that? The address on the shed. What is that about? You didn't
want to get address. I was told I had to in order to get the approved for an address. What is there? Because 507 Dunham doesn't work. What's that? Oh, you trying to find address and
that's a number on it. make out a request to get that address issue and in order so I have an address for filing these paperwork because all I was using was a was a first number and they said, "Oh, you
need to I was called by Mr. Alex that I had to call and see about getting the 911 address." And that's when they issued me. It was five or seven. They told me I had to put those
Here's here's what I'm here's what I'm looking here's what I'm looking at. However it got there, what I look at is what's what's on the property today. It's I don't think anybody disagrees. This shed's on that property today. This shed's on that property without a
permit. It's on the property without a permit. Okay. However it got there, it's on the property without a permit. So now the question is what's the fair for? You're going to need to get a permit or you're going to need to move it, right? What I'm hearing from the city is you got to
go through a bifurcated process because you got to deal with both the city and the county and you just have to, you know, tolerate that. But you got to make some decent progress on doing that. Yes. So here's the thing. I'm going to find there's a violation of the 9433
I guess 94192 and the fact that the shed is there. It needs a permit. I'm going to give you 30 days to start that permitting process with both the city and the county. If you don't get it started within the next 30 days, you're
going to get a $250 day fine. Do not miss the deadline. That deadline is going to be it's like July 17th. You get a $100 you Well, how I don't know what $100 that is. This is this is
about a fine. Right now, there's no fine at all. I appreciate that. But come sit come on July 18th, you're going to you're going to need to have an explanation to satisfy them or you're going to need to start paying 250 bucks a day. They don't want your money,
right? Be aware this isn't your homestead. No, it's not. And it can be the city can eventually get a lean and foreclose on it. They could. They don't want to. That's why I'm about here's the thing. As to whether somebody's living on the property or
not, there's some conflicting information here. The complaint is not here and I understand that the neighbor says he's living with you're living with him. You're say you're not living on it. I have to say running that generator all the time sounds like it's a problem. I don't Well, why do you need to run it at
all if you're not going to be here? I mean, what do you Well, it's I don't want to impose on using too much electricity for somebody. I have the generator and I donate it all the time. You don't run it at night. Well, okay.
What you don't want to be doing is living on this property because I'm going to tell you the testimony today is you weren't living on it. But if testimony comes back and you were living on it, they're going to the city's going to take a dim view. I might take a dim view of it. If anybody any evidence shows up again, you're living on this
property. If that that just from this day forward, it doesn't need to happen. Right. All right. And you need to get the permits done. Come July 17th. At the end of the day, if you had applied for those permits, that shed needs to be gone. But you will get 250 bucks a day.
This is, listen, this is very simple process. I understand people have needs why they want to do what they need to do. And I understand why if you're from Maine, you'd rather not come down here and have to pay for a place to live or a place to stay or some temporary orders, whatever you need to do. Well,
going. Well, here's the thing. The neighbors who saw it aren't going away. And I've been doing this now for 38 years. It frightens me. But, uh, I will tell you that once these complaints start, and yes, they can happen. It'll
go away. Florida law has made it now illegal by state statute to file one of these things anonymously. Imagine what that was like. But now, at least you have an idea of who's filing these things. And so, they got to own up to it. So that's not going to go away. They're going to be on the city asking them,
"What have you done about this?" And then they all start talking to the people normally sit up at the DAS. That would be the city commission want to know, "What are you doing about this? This isn't going to go away." I wouldn't expect I'm not looking for all.
So are you clear where we are? Okay, you need to get these permits done started by 17th and you need to make progress on because if you're not making progress on them and they last because they're going to lapse at some point on the application and you're going to find yourself back here. Don't live in this.
If you're not living in it now, that's fine. Do not live in this because if you live in it on top of what's happening, um I have to tell you it starts. I'm probably not Well, I'm not I'm probably not gonna be very sympathetic to the notion that you came in and made the statements you made today and then
you're not living in it. No. All right. Are you clear? All right. Uh you know how to get uh who's going to Mr. Felli going to handle this? When he comes back to Would you make sure when Harold comes
back that he initiates contact with Mr. Grimes and make sure that we get this done straight? Yes. In terms of what we're doing. So for purposes of clarification, section 94-192, the living in the recreational equipment, there was no finding of a violation of that section. Correct. It's
a close call right now and I'm going to let it let it not go. That's why I'm telling you, you can't be seen doing that. Mr. Brownley, is that okay if I ask for a copy of the uh lease um just for our file? Sure. Did you I can drop
off I actually have a photo coffee that I was mailing out to it now when I put the notice at the coffee. So I can drop off a coffee. I appreciate that. If you just drop us off a copy that put it in on Absolutely.
Okay. So you need to do that within the next week. I'll have that. Well, that's not Please do that because she's concerned. You know, I'm sitting here looking at looking at the evidence and I got conflicting evidence on this. It's
close. Okay. You got a neighbor and you I got some complaints to say the opposite. I understand how that works in the business. Again, we don't have to follow formal rules of evidence. There's a certain amount of legally I have in terms of what's going on. But right now,
uh I'm I'm going to go with the notion you're not living there. That's why. But I'm telling you, it's a close call. So going in and out when it starts to miss your girl. Well, again, well, I am sure I'm sure after this that
the neighbors going to be paying probably very close attention. They may be taking notes and photographs and who knows what they can. That's all right. That's all right. You're welcome to. But I had to put the sign on for a reason. Well, they can't they can't
trespass on your property. Well, you know, I'm worried about that already. That's why the signs are Well, again, that's not the issue right now, right? Uh it's a situation anytime you have property, you have issues. I get is
there a fence around your property? And I didn't even care. So, just just for clarification, section 94-33, the building permit, that will be applied for within 30 days with the county. You're going to apply for a
building permit with the county. And there's a coordinate for a house and that's a coordinated effort with the city for zoning approval and setbacks and so forth. Um but starting that permit application with the process with with the county will will go that
process. And then on the second 94-192, there was not a finding today of a violation of that section. Um Miss West, can you know if I'll be credited towards the $100 that I paid the city for that permit? There is no
fine as of today. The fines would only be initiated after the 30 days with if there's a fine that you're still in violation for not applying for the building. I don't think I express what I'm trying maybe I can answer your question. If you apply for the building
permit for the house with the county then I would be able to approve your application for this accessory. Wait a minute. Back up. Back up. You already paid for it. So they're not going to be charged. Back up a minute. Applying to the county
is one thing. Getting a permit from the county is something else. So are you telling you're just because he applies for the county go to prove a shed even though he hasn't gotten a permit from the county? That's up to you. Well, I appreciate that because the goal is always fix the goal is always been down
here in Florida and I wanted to have something built. is force mortgage. I can assure everybody that is not in know. But if you don't make progress on that county permit, now let me tell you what, you're going to have to have a
contractor, house plans, site plans. All right? And if you're not making progress on the county, this permit could become invalid. Then you still got an illegal shed and you'll be back here. and I would have done everything I could to avoid this
from happening in the beginning, you know. So, I really appreciate you. Thank you. Well, again, all right. Thank you very much. God bless. We shall conclude even
very much. Was that a lot split? That's a good question. So, here's something about it. Are we done? I've dealt with this with accounting before. It's a it's a bear to
get this pouting for a minute or