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March 24, 2025. Executive session of the mayor and council March 24, 2025. Thank you for completing the minutes. Council members, do you guys have questions or concerns with the minutes? You guys don't have a motion? I have a
question. Yes. Go ahead. the uh emails that I normally get on Friday. Uh evidently I understand there was a problem getting the emails from the town borrow
website. I went on I couldn't get it. I went on again Sunday night to uh try to get into it and I couldn't get into the into the website. I came this morning this afternoon. This morning I spoke to
the burough clerk. She said there's been a problem with it. Uh evidently there was still a problem with it. I didn't receive any any agenda meeting Friday. I didn't receive any agenda meeting because I guess
my email was not working or whatever. I've been informed tonight by the uh mic that they corrected it, but I still have I don't know. I didn't check
it. So, I was in by Sophie and she gave me the minutes what she could give me this afternoon. So, I didn't I couldn't really look at everything this afternoon because I got part of the email. So, I'm just
explaining. I don't know. I didn't go on my email yet to see if I got it. So what you're talking about tonight, I'm just going off part of it. So I just Were you at work session council? No, I wasn't. It was a problem that I couldn't come. It's unfortunate you're not the only one that had the issue. So So did I. It was
also unfortunate that you checked it on Friday, too, because that's when we didn't have the most time. Um you're going to have to just go go with the flow. Unfortunately, um my my email had issues. Well, I don't know if yours is corrected by now, but mine mine was So
absolutely be a if you can um after the meeting set something up with the BCIT you go bring bring the council meet you over because he'll need if you have a laptop or phone whatever the hardware that you use to
access your email bring them over to BCIP will help you out either by hosting or being in person. All right, we're talking about the minutes. If there's no uh objection with the minutes, may I have a motion,
please? Make a motion. First and second. Thank you. Roll call. Councelor Kim. Yes. Councelor Lee. Yes. Councelor Min. Yes. Council Shin. Yes. Councelor Vri. Yes.
Council. Let's move forward with the introduction of ordinance. Introduction ordinance 2025-13 bond ordinance for authorization for various road improvements. Any questions? Council members, we went over this during our work session.
All right. You have no questions that close and open to the public for ordinance. It's a first read. You're right. We'll do it that way. Um, strike my request to open to the public.
If there's no questions, uh, we have a motion to pass the first reading of this 2025-3. Thank you. Have a second. Second, Council Kim, yes. Council Lee, yes. Council M. Yes. Council, yes. Council,
yes. Council, yes. Okay. The ordinance 2025-3 bond the ordinance for authorization for various road improvements was introduced at the pass on the first reading at a regular meeting of the mayor council held on 28
2025 and order published in accordance with the law said ordinance will be considered for a first reading and adoption at a meeting held on May 27 2025 at 6 p.m. in the council chambers at which time or person interested may appear or against the passage of the set
ordinance. A copy of the ordinance will be posted on the black board in the for hall and will be available at the office of the club. Thank you. Let's go to second introduction. Introduction ordinance 2025-14 ordinance to exceed the
municipal budget appropriation limits and to establish a cand. Um CFO employee could you explain a little thing about this ordinance why we have to see the municipal budget corporation you could just you can just speak there if you want what this does is this increases
the cap to 3 and a half% not that we're spending the money in fact we have money left over that money will be banked for future years up to two years thank you very much council any questions about 2025-14
There's objections. May I have a motion to pass the introduction ordinance for 2025-14? Thank you. We have a second. Council me. Yes. Orders. 25 ordinance to exceed the municipal budget appropriation limits
and to the east bank was introduced and passed on the first reading at the regular meeting of the media council held on April 28, 2025. An order published in accordance with the law said ordinance will be considered for the first reading and adoption at a
meeting held on May 27, 2025 at 6 p.m. in the council chamber at which time all person interested may appear for or against passenger ordinance. Copy of the ordinance will be posted on the welcome board in the forum hall and will be
available at the office of Thank you. Let's move for our last introduction or introduction audience 2025-15 establishment of salary for year 2025. Council members questions about audience
2025-5. I have a question. Yes. Okay. There are a lot of jobs that don't know what that is. For example, executive director of the municipal industrial committee.
Excuse me. Which one is it? Executive director of the municipal industry committee. And then [Music] also municipal alliance coordinator. I don't even know if there is any you
know coordinator is uh [Music] what I like to know is the job description of these positions. Great. We'll give that to you and be able to
work with the uh finance department heads. Find out what the job description is. the identification for the for the executive director of the municipal district and also
the second page and the other one is on the police which one is it where is it page is the second one second one is the last last one municipal coordinator. Yes, I think this
this may be either but anyways someone's taking care of that. We'll find out to for you what they're doing and who is in that position on all this position. We should have a job description. Well, I got to understand that. But again, we we will do that job description. Remember
how we're talking about that? Um we will um if you want job description, I think this very idea BA I think it's prudent that we start writing job descriptions. We got to know what the rules are. Yeah. One more
question. In the library service librarian starting from what page on page the second from the last page. Second from the last page. Bottom bottom this range library positions. Library
positions. Are these ranges coming from library folks or we decide because head libr 17 to 70,000 above range If you want to reduce the bottom number, you can do that.
What would you like? $50,000 because it's a So you're telling me just for the head library, not just library employees just ahead. Then what about the library? Did they start at 17,000? No. Right. So that's both low too. So
this is just a broad range. Um, if you want to change this, you know, I mean, if you feel 17 is too low head librarian, it could be a part-time head library. Right. Right. Then we really say head library. No, what I'm
trying to say is the range whether right part-time or not. A library employee could also be parttime. Right. Right. So, we do have a library employee. I was auter [Music] amount because the regular ones end with
the $70,000 but there are people who been there for 30 years 40 years plus so we made a room for a little bit higher for the so so if I could just add the comments on question there right so I think it's
better to separate the two position for example head librarian right the range is from 17 to 90,000 Mhm. For example, let's say we are um let's say our head librarian, right? Let's say they're
retiring. She or he is retiring, right? Then we're looking to bring in uh new hire, right? Uh who are experienced or have enough years to be hired as experienced header, right? Then we could
we could that's the that's the range where we could give a salary negotiate. But let's say if we're going to bring in brand new who just graduated from college, right? Then that's the range we could actually start. But 17 is just
what I'm saying is well you know what guys I need a consensus right now. This was not spoken of. Uh you know actually this is actually new. So we should get this take some time to figure this out. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Sounds okay.
Go ahead. Okay. There are a lot of increase of the salaries, right? This for this year, right? 2025. This not is just a range. Range is being increased with a it's too long. It's a tax money. Okay. So tax money. Yeah. So it is very
important for residents. So this anyway we can get we can table this today and without this we cannot do the next. We have to make a decision now. Right now it's 17,000. I see what one you're saying. Not only the
driver. What else do you have then? I want to know okay the worst case and and the the highest case and the lowest case and we what is the we are paying in case of the lowest and in case of the highest and with the amount we are paying
currently and also but this is within the range. kind of it's let's just say the librarian here uh library employee number one that makes 17,000 to 90,000 she's making 40,000 50,000 right now nothing's wrong
with it right now okay she's in the range we're talking about ranges right now so if you guys have a problem with you know what $17,000 is outdated who's going to hire part-time fulltime job alignment position for 17,000 we can make a consensus yes go ahead yeah
Um library is a little different than normal uh organization from the town. It's a a permanent board. So they have their own board and they have their own budget and their own things. So what they
usually do is they set their own salary ranges and then the position and we just approve it and because they have they are totally independent. We are not to actually change much unless something is
dramatically wrong. They supposed to want their own as a terminous board. So we are approving it because it's a taxpayers money and finally the part of our budget but they are it's funny but they are in another way they totally
dependent. So up to now what we've been doing just for the library all others is not is not but just for the library board maximum position and amount and we usually approve it because they have their
own so it's very strange that is this very first time anybody say something the library the salary is too high salary is too low but I have to ask our counelor because We kind of t we can actually down or
increase or anything. Well, we can but you're what you said is pretty accurate that we we should give to them. Okay. So, let me just give why don't we just leave because the current range anyway.
Yeah. So, so but going forward library even range itself I think really has to come from library board. So going forward and I can I believe I don't want to interrupt you but it has been this
amount from this is always been their decisions. But but guys the budget I correct me if I'm wrong guys but this salaries come from our budget. I don't care if they're autonomous or not. coming from our pockets. If there's a
range, they can pick between that range. Yeah. They do other things that they do not report to us about. For instance, when they give increases, they don't tell us. They don't tell us until after the fact and and they generally give more than whatever the contracts are
that we have with white and blue color. So that's separate. It's something this is why I could understand why the range is extraordinary large. Okay. So, Christian, if you don't mind, let's just leave it as it is. Like you said, it's just the range. I mean, it's got nothing
to do with the budget. Yes. It's just range that we're going to offer minimum to here to maximum to that. So, thank you. Yes. I see we have a recycling cord. We do have one. I thought we got rid of it when Joe Ferguson retired. No,
we get rid of it. Someone's got to do the job. Okay. No, I just have who puts the information together. We've also worked with the Clinton County Utility because he's not certified and will require somebody certified. We work with them at no cost
and they do the certification. Okay. Someone's got to do it here. Someone's got to do it here. Not questioning that. Question. Any more questions about the range, not the position or the roles. All right. Great. Um, have a
motion to pass this ordinance 2025-15. Please make a motion. Thank you. I have a second. Council Kim, yes. Council Lee, yes. Council me, yes. Council Shin, yes.
Council, yes. Council, yes. Ordinance 2025-5 establishment of celebr 2025 was introduced and the pass on first reading at a regular meeting of the mayor council on April 28, 2025 and all the
published in accordance with the law said orders will be considered for the first reading and adoption at a meeting held on May 27, 2025 at 6 p.m. in the council chambers at which time all persons interested may appear for or against the passage of the said
ordinance. A copy of the ordinance will be posted on the board in the borrow hall and will be available at the office of the borrow. Thank you. Let's move with our ordinance second reading. Okay. The second reading
ordinance 2025-8 amending chapter 84 in alcohol beverage penalties for violation council members we review this second time around any questions concerning alcohol beverages for
violation that if there's no questions I have a motion to close it open to the public we have a second all in favor guys you guys have three minutes to discuss about specifically ordinance 2025-8 alcohol beverages penalties for
violation. Thank you. We have a motion to close the last. Please come up. Name and address. Um so did they change? What we do is we increase the penalties for for establishments that violate the alcohol beverage serving hours and
improper places to sell alcohol. So the time stay everything same except the penalty went up so they learned their lesson. Okay. Thank you. Any more questions for the public? Okay. I have a motion to close and bring us back to the regular session. I have a motion. Thank
you. I have a second. Thank you. All in favor? All right. May I have a motion to pass ordinance 2025-8? Thank you. Second. Thank you. Roll call. Councelor Kim. Yes. Councelor Lee. Yes.
Council M. Yes. Councelor Shim. Yes. Councelor Bri. Yes. Councelor W. Yes. Ordinance 2025-8. Amen. Check the entire alcohol beverage to modify the penalties for violation was passed at the regular meeting of the mayor council held on
April 28, 2025. A copy of the ordinance will be posted on the board in the for hall and will be available at the office of the world. Let's move for second reading ordinance. Second reading ordinance 2025
9 amending chapter 282 vehicles parking relating to handic parking. Council members any questions about this before we guest witness this person
that handicap parking permit in front of their house. That's the parking space not any other handicap person. Correct. It is earmarked for that. Walking their names on these. No, my understanding is
and we can ask police department representatives here that there will be a sign on the street that will indicate that it's for um you know specifically the etheraptain. It's either going to be their placker number or their plate number. And
strictly strictly used for that for that person. Correct. Another person that parks in that space for a handicap handicap sign. He's going to get a ticket and to he'll get Yeah. He'll get the signs for it or something.
I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's fair. That's fair. What I'm saying? Oh, this is like just say it will be designated in the front of the closest vicinity of the residential area person who applied it
to approve that space and if any other person parks over there. It is a handicap space but it's we deem it for specifically one person. So it has come. This is why they come here and ask
for permission to go ahead and give the house Any more questions? All right. May I close and open to the public? Thank you. A second. Second. All in
favor? Ladies and gentlemen, you have three minutes. Please come up. Only four orders 2025-9. Please come up. Name address. This just does not sound like um this sounds so
wrong. I have a handicap. Okay. If I go visit a neighbor and there's a handicap space, not saying Palace Park is not that bad for parking. I don't see
for one person I can see giving a space put a second space on the block I don't care about that either I have my own driveway I parked in my no problem with that but it's just seems like person's going to come by
they're going to be handicapped they're going to pull into the space you're going to be giving tickets out to people that not going to really understand this it's not this way any place else that I know of in New So, it's creating a problem. You talk about a counselor. Um, we're
following the law, are we? Correct. And, and basically what we did with the ordinance in terms of the amendments, the ordinance has been there. We we just basically enhanced the background requirements and and just specified the specific documents and proofs that are
required by the applicants to obtain the permit. We were we're in other words, we're We're editing a very long existing orders. It's always been it's always been there that it could be for one person just that's it. Correct. So then
now the neighbor gets handicap neighbor moves in another space. I'm saying if they they apply they'll do it. So not exactly. I would like to get the thing. I got it. I know Joe I know where you're going but that's I'm there
that's I'm not going there. I'm there. Okay. Anyways, it is a discretion and the right provin of the governing body to allow or not allow handicap. This is your right. So I have to agree with
Joe. Would you please be quiet? Thank you. I have to agree with Joe. I think it's not correct. For example, if we like in front of the school and person come, I know it's only one handicap in front of neighbor school and they're going to see that um let's say one
handicap and they're going to see that a handicap. It's going to be inconvenient for the person really a handicap is empty to not just park and make it easy for the person and like that. I don't think we should have assignment for one
specific person. Um parking. Well, there is a process there is for you to approach us and get permission. It takes effort. You have to go to DMV, get all the sourcing order. You have to provide medical tons of
documents. Again, we're just trying to make the existing ordinance that's been here a long time more clarified, right? More clarified. Now, second matter, you can come. Second matter. If you guys feel this is unfair of an ordinance, we'll have another discussion about
maybe potentially um doing something else with. But this specific or is trying to make it more defined, clear things out. I understand that you don't you don't like going back and forth. You like just any handicap. Anybody come here gets in the room, anybody could
park there. Yes. Like that specific wall. This is the wall. What's this? Yeah. No, I mean as like not our wall. The handicap is that if someone comes here for a handicap that's designated to that specific person. That's the way
this ordinance is now. Correct. Correct. Go ahead. It's long as I've been on the police force. They have had handicap parking. They have never had handicap
parking signs for one individual. This will be the first time that this town has ever put an anticap sign for one specific person. This and I can speak from experience and time on a job.
Okay. Anybody else? Yes. Okay. Yeah. I think it's a typical case that there is a law and there is a different way of hedging. activated and produced.
So we have a problem of of this not the I think our council to decide either ret this and then decide to I mean discuss further or because law never been changed according to our
council and but it has not been exercised that particular way then who is who what whose fault is this is the police for lawmakaker's fault I mean law was there for a long time,
right? How did we come to the conclusion uh of police officers that it should be designated for the person who applied? Uh mayor, uh two meetings ago, we had a proposed uh ordinance that didn't include that. Uh I believe that there
were council members that brought it up that it should be should be which which would then was tabled and then brought back. So uh I at the end of the day before it wasn't that was a problem. Now it is that's a problem now. Yes. Also,
one of the other main things that we did in this is that there's a penalty for people not letting us know when that person who belonged to that is gone because people were not letting us know and therefore that sign's just staying there when
nobody this ordinance is is multi- uh stage mort. It allows you guys to deny people for handicap parking spots for any number of reasons that are listed in the ordinance. Uh allows you to approve it. Also allows you to give give a parking
space to somebody. It also allows you to take that parking space away after 30 days if somebody before 30 days before after somebody moves out or uh is deceased, it's no longer needed. We've come into a problem in the town where we have parking spots for handicapped
parking spots that nobody's parking in. I got my I got my memory back. It seems like uh some of us went through a temporary amnesia. Yeah. So So we we had this is our second meeting, guys. So you still have a chance. We're in the second meeting. Yes. Go ahead. To the council.
So are you saying the provision we have here 14.1 alphabet A? Are you saying that provision is saying that the the I take it back the space in front of the designated space? No, that
was added that the officer Captain just just refreshed added where that that's in paragraph C. It's the third fourth line down. Yeah, but that's about the application, right? But it says shall be able to apply for a designated handicap parking
space in front of their residence. Right. But it's paragraph A. states, right? Pursuant to the authority granted by the state statute, the streets that are designated as restricted parking spaces were used by
persons, right, who have been issued special identification cards by the EMD. I don't I don't read that provision to say that when it's designated as handicapped, it's only for No, it
doesn't. So where this is I'm sorry. So where where in this ordinance do you read that yeah parking space is given only the person who applied for see specifically where in the fourth
line third the third line down NJSA 394 parking space. Yeah, but that goes to the application. It goes to the eligibility to apply. But isn't paragraph A actually going to the enforcement?
Is that state statute? What's the state statute say? This is the B or what does the state statute say? I think the state statute gives the governing body authority to pass more specific ordinance, but Maybe this paragraph is subject to
different interpretation. I think we need to make it clear, you know, once a parking space is given that applicant only could park there. Like we need to clarify that. I don't see it on the face of this or you don't see it. Well, the
way she's interpreted the ordinance is that AS and C is is specifically the application. I I I disagree with that, but I can see I can see how you're you're
interpreting. Yeah. Because the mayor has been saying that we did not change how the enforcement has been done. No, we only tried to strengthen the application process. Yes. And that is what we agreed to do and I think
our saying that the enforcement changed. We need to make it clear that it doesn't. was not the intent of the intent was was to the application application process and also designate
the spot for the person who applied right but not limited to just that applicant just for that applicant no that's what it was right just for that applicant no for people who have the license no that's why other council
members are not not not agreeing with this is right now defining including that this is a designated if you come here give us all the information follow the process and we approve it that parking space will be designated as yours we're going to put a license plate
or or some kind of identification your handicap ID so this will be designated after that there was some complaints over here saying that this is unfair this was not part of the original ordinance it was it wasn't but we had a discussion not just popped out of nowhere we never had it. You know, we
had we did have a meeting and we talked about it. It was a it was a evolving conversation. I remember and some people said it should be fair to the council member said that's trying to designate for that person because he he or she came here to to apply. So if if this
person applies goes to the effort, you know, then other person takes it, it's kind of unfair that demand, that need for that specific residence was not met. He didn't come, he or she didn't come here to go, I want to do a health care
for the community. They came here saying, I need healthare for myself and we have to decide. You're saying with a handicap, another handicapped person comes in, sees a handicap sign, he parks or she parks
where that handicap sign is. When the police come and they issue that person a ticket, that person has to go to court, any handicap tickets, you have to go to court. They can't pay that online. They
have to go in front of a judge. They're driving home in a wheelchair. But listen, there's people in wheelchairs. What I'm trying to say is if you drive, I'm sure they could come here. And this is my ticket. My This guys, it's not beyond this making to another animal.
The council members respectfully have to make a decision. Are we going to allow someone who basically going through the process saying, "I need a handicap for myself. Help me out. I want a handicap in front of my house." That or nobody can. We're going to issue a handicap.
You may come to us with your need, but we're going to create a handicap for everybody else. That's the decision you have to make. like it was brought up that there's a handicap sign in front of the school. There's a handicap found handicap sign down at the shop right is that going to
be specific people is different. That's different. This is this is still res. It's fine guys. You could you could vote on this. I think we all understand that. So, so um if if you could like uh
council uh Kim said, you could you could request a table or you could vote. Would you like to table or should I vote for the roll call? I like to have a question. I'm sorry. Right now you got you got you got to wait. You got
to wait. You got to wait. You got to wait. I'm just asking. You're almost there. You're almost there. You just remind me. Um before we table, we got to close. We got to open to the public. We have a motion to close and open to the public. Make a motion. Thank you. I have a second. Second. All in favor? Sir,
please come up. Just a minute. You live in Highland. My name is Chris Street. Yes. I currently What's your name, sir? Chris. Chris. I currently requesting We're going to
get parking place. Uh currently right now you guys tabled this the last meeting which postponed me you know my request my application. Now you're going to postpone it again. The thing that's outstanding is the spot being for designated
person at res parking. I personally if you read the state section is persons not person can park there. That's the state statute. My point is this. If it's held up over the individuality of the spot itself, I'd like have reasonable
accommodations for myself because you keep pushing this out and to me it's based upon um a s a silly um interpretation right now. I don't think you can enforce it what your claim that
it goes to the individual person. However, having a spot is great of great importance to people who need it. It does provide as council indicated, it does provide municipalities with broad discretion to
enforce statutes, but your your your position is well. You are the applicant right now, correct? Yes, I am. Okay, I got you. I got you. So right now we're about to pass this but right now we're trying to figure out if this went from last meeting to this meeting and
now you're going to table it again or go to the next meeting. Legislation can take months. Sir, we're not doing that to take months. Our decision right now will dictate the future. So you are at a critical moment right now making sure that you know we have to make sure through you that the future practices
we're going to follow the same. Okay. We can't once say we're going to designate you and then later we're not going to designate anybody else. So right now it's a very pivotable know what I'm trying to say mayor all due respect it's reasonable accommodations I get it retract whatever you give me the
question because this could take six eight months any year. All right. So so um anyways thank you very much. Are you done? Yeah I am. Okay. Good. Thank you. As long as being considered. Excuse me. As long as I'm
being considered. Got it. Anybody else? Please come up and address. Thank you. Um, I'm a car driver all my life. Whenever I see a handicap sign in front of a house, I
automatically think it's for that person at that house. Not not a person that's down the street that may be handicapped or missing. I do understand that. Yeah, it can be a conflict, but to me all my life
when I see a sign that says handicapped, it means for that person that lives there for residential purposes. That's correct. Okay. I hope people agree with that. Some people don't. But all my life and
when you go to school to learn how to drive, they explain that too, if I remember correctly, that you do not park in a handicap parking spot because it's designated for a person that lives there.
Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else? We have a motion to close the public and come back to our regular session. We have a second. All in favor? I would like to go ahead go for it. So I I understand that it was
the intent. Would you guys please be quiet? I understand. I understand the intent was to have this ordinance reflect that once this part handicap space is given, it's only decimated for that person. But the
way this ordinance reads, it does not reflect that. It only strengthens the application process based on how paragraph A reads. So what I propose is we pass this ordinance which only strengthens the application process. It
does not limit general handicap population from parking at handicap spaces. So, but C, I'm so sorry council to to rock you, but on C it says you're the attorney shall be eligible to apply for a designated handicap parking space,
right? But part of A which enforces it, it says all the streets, right, that are here by designated as restricted parking spaces for use by persons, right? person is a special issued special identity.
But the persons in my in my interpretation interpretation is that persons is is a is hereby designated a restrictive parking space for use by persons who have been issued. Yeah. It's a it's a group of people that have their
car. And then it gets into the specific So when it says persons, right? It says persons who have been issued special identification card by the DMV. It's not something that we issue, right? So in
terms of that persons, you know, there's one of those uh handicap hangers, right? The card, right? That's been issued by DMV, not us. I think it it meant for that identification card for those persons. Yeah. What I'm Yeah, I I agree.
And basically this ordinance is missing our town specific enforcement measure of these designated handicapped parking spaces. So passing this ordinance would not change how we enforce it because it lacks legal for it. So well since we do
have applicants who have been waiting for a long time, this does not change how we enforce it. I propose that we pass it and if there are more concerns that you know how we enforce the designated parking spaces should be changed. But I get it. I get
it too. I get it too. But I don't want you at my point is this. I don't mind bypassing this discrepancy about designated or not. We're just going to pass it. I get that. But this will come back to us and bite us and saying that
what does this mean? Does that mean that this only person could park here or could I park there? It's going to come back to us. The police will have to figure that out, too. So, we have to make a decision on it. So, we have to write out there's a counselor over here. If we change the word in front of all of
us, if it's just by wording, right? It's okay. Is it okay to change this? Because if the true meaning of this order stays the same, we just want to make sure that either it's for or for for not. Or do we have to start all over? No, we can make we can make on the motion we can modify
the language, but the question is do we want to have the language for a designated spot? That's the question or not, but we could do that right now. So, it could be modified either way. We have to make a decision. If we're not going to put that word to this, it's just No,
it's it's for it's for besides that, it was for the proper way of providing the application. What would we need in order for us to consider to get the parking space for the individual or for the resident and specifically is it for the
applicant only or is it for the public use? Can I ask a question now? Uh suppose we decide to just this one is just for the that designate person right but we do understand sometimes we need
those commonly used by the multiple people is there process we can make it kind of a two different one so that both can be allowed and if so then how how does
how does both how does one spot hold so so in front of suppose in front of my house we in my house we have a handicap person of course then our you know that handicap space more likely that person,
right? But however, there is a in some residency area is more like um four family, five family those apartment side and if that uh there is a possibly there are multiple handicap people living in
that apartment complex then uh the designate you know space handicap space for that apartment should be used by multiple people. Can we distinguish this one that you could distinguish it if you do
it if you change the wording to to specifically clarify this is only for the applicant then you could distinguish it that's right person yeah that's how that's why I think it's right I mean just thinking
about other towns and whatnot I'm so sorry you just missed it we closed the public session I'm so sorry but thing is if you do goss are that are designated in residential areas in public parking. I can't do it. Officer, Joe, I'm asking
you very nicely. Please tell you what, I'm leaving. Thank you. You don't give a about Watch your language, sir. Have a nice day. is a common word, sir. I mean just like your if I'm the applicant who's looking for
handic park in front of my house there is another handicapped person in that block. What if this this person takes over the handicap spot like 24/7?
Exactly. What am I supposed to do? No, you can't. You can't. I'm telling you guys it's unfair. I I get it when when I have to park in my if I'm a handicap if I have to park in the commercial area, right? That's fine. Which is, you know, u equal opportunity for everybody to
park there because there's an empty space, right? I understand that. But this is we're looking we're talking about residential area. That's right. When I need my hands get spot, I'll park there. If somebody comes to their friend's house, related house, who's who
lives on that block, they could use their driveway if they had one. I agree. I agree. Council one of the like different apartment or the core they have they have to make some designation. No, you don't have to
make any unless there's Guys, guys, guys, we're going so far away. Please focus on this. Again, I'm going to come back. Make a decision. Council members respectable. You either choose right now are going to allow anybody to park there when one person
goes through this kind of procedure for their own need. We're not the person's coming here for their own need. We're thinking about the public. The public has a right. There's a process inside here. We need to provide this and that with the police, get all certified. Come back to us. There's a reason for that,
guys. If you guys want to make designated handicaps areas, you could do that. But right now, we're answering the need of a resident. If that's why I think council, if it's okay for me, I would like to, you know, like I would like to, you know, make this so that it
will be for designated person who comes over here. It wouldn't be fair. There'll be fights. Forget about it. So what I what I my my uh personal view on this one is I said move forward with the designated parking spot for that
specific applicant right since the applicant is waiting to get to get approved. That's how it should be. Now if we have to change anything we if we have to strength the uh uh enforcement part of the awareness we will do it
after we do it. That's why I asked that question. Is it possible because we meant to make it designated? Okay. Uh uh council hanging that is very ambiguous. Well, she's saying that it's not specifically in par sub paragraph A. So,
we can just add language to paragraph A. It says designated um like where it says hereby designated as restricting parking spaces and put for a person by by the applicant. The
applicant. That's it. Good. That would clarify everything. Now we vote. People who don't think that's fair, please say no. People think that's fine, just just say yes. Um, we have a motion with this modificated
in a designated area by the applicant that clears specific that clears out our Yes. So, so I'm going to read it one more time if that's okay just to clear everything up. On a persuade the authority granted to municipalities by
NGSA 394-197-5. So, we do have the authority. The streets or parts of street described in schedule 10 282-65 attached herein and made a part of here hereof are hereby designated as restricted parking
spaces in a designated location for use by the applicant who have been issued special identification cards by the division of motor vehicles. That is the modification. No other person shall be permitted to park in designated area.
Yeah. And no other person or shall be permitted to park in these areas. These areas that's the same thing. Okay. Yeah. These this is the And is that okay? Please please uh may I have a motion? I'll make a motion to move forward uh
with the stipulation of the change of the warnings. May I have a second? Okay. Let's now vote. Rob question. Council, I vote no because um as much as
a handicapped person has a right to park on a public street in a residential area, someone who's not candic should also be able to park there. And by giving a handicapped person a space to park, it should be available for anyone
who has a c handicap like license, not just that specific person. We're talking about see this whole thing guys right this whole thing started because not because we're thinking about this the righteousness is the right way to assign handicaps a p a resident came here
asking for their need and we're answering to it right now right now we're talking about we're talking about let me ask you a question please is that okay is that okay with you right now if if if if you if this is a designated see
we can't do that I'm sorry we cannot right now uh tailor to the general area as much as we want to because this takes our future. So this got to be a case by case. I I'm very sorry for the applicant, but right now you said no, right? I said no. Okay, good. She's
taking she's giving her answer and then giving it an explanation and you're going in and going off on it. That's not right. Cuz you I just said I asked her. No, we did have a question. You would let me ask a question? Yeah, because it's too late. Yes. Everything's too
late. You Yes. Especially you. Why don't you read your damn PPC except for Friday? No, definitely not. And I believe it's something that anybody that's handicapped that accidentally parks in a handicap spot because he has
a handicap. So, what about the fairness of the person? My question is, how about all these other handicap signs in town? Are you going to go and knock on their doors and d tell them this is specifically because there's a law here that says if you don't answer if you
don't report that you're going to you're not going to use that anymore, we'll find you. I asked one question. Can you answer me that that's not the law? I just I just answer the question. Yes, that's Are you going to go to every handicap talking? That is the
most broad brush brush question. Are you going to go to every single thing? Do you think they have time to do every single thing? Every single time. Anyways, you said no. That's fine. That's exactly right. You said yes and no. That's good. Okay. No more
explanation. Go ahead. We had discussion time already. Okay. Right now right now three yes three no and we need the the break from mayor.
Wow. All right guys, welcome to I understand point of views really the public should have available seats available for parking spaces should not be designated. If somebody needs it is nearby and it's empty they should use it. I believe that's only for commercial
areas when residential areas because of their specific need and their legit bonafide um handicap issues they come to us. If they didn't come to us, we wouldn't even be here right now. So, we need to answer the call of a special need of of a resident there and we have
to we have to first I'm going to have to and also secondly if he went through such painly need and we help him out with his need and another person goes hey it's my right to come here park your car because you were here for two hours it defeats the purpose and this is not a
commercial area. If another person right if it's not temporary if somebody actually had got to an accident has a handicap in that same area they should come to us go you know what I have the same situation help me out and it's up to you to make the decision yes or no so for for that matter I will have to say
yes congratulations orders 2025 9 amending chapter 28 to entitle vehicle in the parking uh that with that was passed with the modification at regular meeting of the mayor council held on April 28,
2025. A copy of the ordinance will be posted on the working board in the B hall and will be available at the office of the world. Let's go to the next second reading. Second reading audience 2025 10 amending
chapter 1163 construction code fees any questions about the second reading and construction uh construction go fees council members yeah I do appreciate your input this this was very productive but we had to make a decision go ahead
any questions about the ordinance 2025-10 right now that close and open to the public make a motion Thank you. May I have a second? Second. All in favor? I. Thank you. Public, you have three minutes to talk about ordinance 225-10 construction
code, please. Please come up. I just I just want more a little bit more detail. What's that going to be like? Can we get more information about what is that going to be like for construction?
Okay, we have a lot of centipedes. There's too much there. You could give you a copy. Yeah, but the thing is there's so much that we increase. Not just one fine. It's literally about like maybe I'm just counting it right now. 40 50
The whole thing is going on. More money for the res. More white for the resident because we're going to collect it and serve it to you. Okay. Thank you. Also already distribute. All right. Good. We have a motion to close and come back to a regular session. First and second. All in favor?
Thank you. Council members, we have a motion to pass ordinance 2025-10. I have a motion. Thank you. I have a second. Second. Roll call. Council Kim, yes. Council Lee, yes. Council me, yes. Council Shin, yes. Council Vitri, yes.
Council, yes. Second reading ordinance 2025-10, amending chapter 63, construction code. Ordinance 2025-10 was passed at the regular meeting of the mayor council on May 28, 2025. A copy of the ordinance will be
posted on the welcome board in the forum hall and will be available at the office of the Thank you. Let's move with this question. Yes. Yes. So um section four
from the uh statute 16730 under what page are you? Uh second page. Okay. It's all right. Sorry. Uh Sophia. Yes. Second reading of
2025 11 amending chapter 167-30 A4 as all right. So second page very first part uh uh number four. Uh so the C variance
is is raised to a uh 3,000 right from two to three. Two to three. Now the variance it has been raised to 7500 3,000. So the uh the percentage that's actually increased compared to the seat
is is a lot of lot of money over there. Yeah. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, because the the amount of engineering and other work involved in the Daring failed and the problem that the building department was having it was
the builders when they come in an They put money into escrow which we used to pay their fees. Our professionals our professionals engineers and that money was running out too quickly and we were having to chase the applicants to saying come back we need the process. Yeah. They came up
with this number based upon what they think and this was discussed with this was discussed with the building. Any more questions? All right. Good. I have a motion to close. the public.
I have a second. Second. All in favor? Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, any questions about ordinance 11? I have a motion to close and open and go back to our session. Motion to close first and
second. All in favor? Thank you. Council members, I request that someone provide a motion to pass ordinance 2025-1.
Thank you. I have a second roll. Council Kim, yes. Council Lee, yes. Council M. Yes. Council Shin. Yes. Council V. I'ming on this. I'm not too sure. Very council. Yes.
Okay. Or 2025-1 amending chapter 167-384 ascro was passed at the regular meeting of the mayor council held on April 28, 2025. A copy of the ordinance will be posted the board in the hall and
will be available at the office of the hall. Thank you for 12. I have a question. Yes. 141-2. No, we're still doing the second reading right now of the ordinance.
Second reading ordinance 2025-2 creating chapter 141 entitled filling and the photograph you were talking about now. Yes, go ahead. I make a comment if I'm in my property.
And then 141-9 days and hours. What about weekends? So I don't need anything if I do a weekend. Is that what that means?
I mean, you still need a lot of people don't want to have that going on on a Saturday or Sunday. So, I think that it's fair to keep it during the week. Uh the weekend people are home and trying to take care of
their own affairs. Um I just think that it's a good idea to limit it. I mean, if somebody comes in and say it's very big motion picture company and they apply to us and they need some kind of relief from this. I think we could
always grant it if there were no detriment to the residents. We could always we could always put in here, you know, a provision that says Monday through Friday 8 to 7. But but you know in exception
exceptional circumstances these days and times can be I want to I don't mind just saying Monday to Sunday from 8:00 a.m. 7 p.m. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you can legally change that right now.
That doesn't reflect the meaning of the ordinance. Um what like like Christian says what we do from Monday to Sunday. If that's everybody's okay with everybody same hours same hours and the last page
141-16 violation and penalties it says providing the general code I don't any person violating chapter rules hearing chosen to upon conviction penalty is provided as a general code
general code we yeah so I discussed this with council council and you're right it's it's not fully clear what it should be spelled out what the violations are so we can either um pass it and and have because that that should shouldn't be
something that we just throw into a resolution that needs to be thought out so my suggestion is we pass the ordinance and then leave this issue to be discussed and we can either amend this code a
specific violation or there may be another um ordinance in in the burough chapter. So in other words, we don't have a P schedule. No, but that's that's we should know it together, but we missed that one. Well,
we can we can refer to there's another option. Instead of saying in the general code, we can put in in the the schedule, right? In the And then we can just come up with to be added by a separate ordinance.
Right. Right. Later. Yeah. Yeah. But we should have got this done together. We didn't know there was a fee schedule in the audience. We should have put those fees here. All right. That's the only revenue we need right now. I agree with the
counselor. See instead of provided The general provided what is the schedule? Provided the fee schedule and the fe schedule should be announced here. What you guys want to do?
I don't know. It's Warner Brothers that we'll laugh at that if it's a you know small let's let's leave the let's let's leave the fee schedule and we'll decide later. Is that possible? Disclose it here. No, we
can always then put it in the ordinance. Yeah. Okay. Good. Let's leave it as fe schedule. We this and do this later on. We put everything in. Well, we could well the thing is let's establish this first and then we could establish the
fee schedule. If you say let's table this that means for two readings this became to mute. We still need this. We just got to change the fee schedule. I add as provided in the fee schedule and we're the next one we're going to put our ordinance to the fees in for the fee
schedule. They have a motion. Make a motion. Stipulation that there is a provided fee schedule. Correct. Good. Have a second. I'm sorry. Sorry. Um, sorry about that.
Sorry about that. Um, we have a motion to close up with the public. I have a motion. We have a second. Second. All in favor? Thank you. Guys, you guys want to talk about filming? Please come up. Three minutes. Very good. Uh, I have a motion to close
the public and come back to regulation. First, second. All in favor? I have a motion to pass ordinance 2025-12. I make a motion with the correction stipulation that the general code will
be in place as feed and also hours and the permit days and hours will be from bless you Sunday to Monday to Sunday same time. I revisit the speed schedule. Good. I have a second.
Great. Roll call, please. Councelor Kim, yes. Councilor M. I'm sorry. Council Lee, yes. Council Min, yes. Council Shin, yes. Council Bri, yes. Council, yes. The audience
2025-12 creating chapter 141 filament and photography. Uh, the weird stipulation was passed at the regular meeting of the mayor council held on April 28, 2025. A copy of the ordinance will be posted on the board in the borrow and will be available at the
office of the school. Ordinance 2024-12 on the ordinance for authorization for improvement of policies positive. Any questions about this? Council members,
there's one question on the second page. Section four, the last it says that the chief financial officer is directed to report in writing to the government governing body at the
meeting next succeeding uh the date when they any sale or deliver of anticipation not and so on. So I guess what this means is we will be informed about the purchase activity. Am I right? Because I
never had that report before. So CFO the notes are always given to council to the council. Uh we do in August that you have to approve them. has been there.
And that who is a purchaser, how much you know, right? It happens every five to seven years. Doesn't happen annually. The no correcting the order to
Anybody else? I have a motion to close and open to the public. Thank you. A second. Second. We'll give it to Jason. We'll give it to Paul. We'll give it to John. Yeah. All in favor? All right,
guys. You guys have three minutes to discuss about the ordinance 2024-12 for the Palisades Boulevard 2 improvement. You guys are wondering what it was. The
location um where is actually I was confused about this but um this is not the one that I was talking about. Yes, we were talking
about this is not I have not been able to get a copy. I have asked Steve a number of times to give me the backup for this. So I would still have to let you all know exactly where it is, but it was the
Palisades Pal. It's from Broad Avenue to Grand. Yeah. So the bottom one in this can be introduced today. We're talking about that one, right? This one. Yeah. Second
20412. It was only the vote that was improper and not again because the vote was not recorded properly already done but they picked up that the vote was not recorded properly on the
we're doing so we're just doing this again just to make sure that it's acceptable it's not new procedural procedural same thing we've been doing this just that the the votes we already voted for it but the thing is we wasn't
properly put it in with the votes bond Okay. The bottom ordinance. Is this the correct one that we're This is the correct one. It's just that we have to do this again because it wasn't recorded properly with the numbers of votes. Who
have a motion? Wait. I remember because it wasn't recorded. And this is Cal States from broad to grab which we need. does not say no to this policy palar to broad oh no sir it's
from broad from um from all certain section of pal states towards going up to the going up to the I believe to the to the east but a majority goes from broad day to in his
work where we live. question. Oh, only from the top to the top all the way to very close to have a motion. Yes. Thank you. We have a second.
Thank you, Charlie. We we just did. We just did. Um so we have a now we have a motion. Roll call, please. Second. Council Kim. Yes. Council Lee. Yes. Council me. Yes. Council Shin. Yes.
Council v. Yes. Council. Yes. Okay. Ordinance 2024-2 and the bond ordinance for authorization for improvement of crisis two was passed. At a regular meeting of the mayor
council held on April 28, 2025, a copy of the ordinance will be posted on the welcome board in the bal and will be available at the office of the b. Thank you. Let's go with our off consent agenda.
Resolution 2025 122 and the resolution 2025 123. It's already action taken at the work station. So I going to Resolution 2025-124 introduction of 2025 municipal
budget. We're just going through proper procedures that this has been passed. Correct. At the work session by the by the request by the council council. So we already passed this but it's by
proper procedure to bring this up and just because you know we have to go through this even though we pass it. Um it's rare that we pass it on the work session but time was of the essence and the council needed for other courts. Um
this has been approved but uh you can still ask questions. All right. Um there's a question. I have a motion to uh have a motion to pass. I'm starting with the resolution 2542.
Right. Right. Right. But then still um don't the public need to open this up and they could ask questions? No. Work session is a place where do we open it up to the public? Yes. Okay. Good. Thank you. 124.
So reservation of consent reservation 2025- 124 introduction of 2025 municipal budget. This is a big one, guys. Roy, short time. I know you waited
enough. Thank you. So, procedurally, this is the official introduction to the 2025 budget. Uh, you all have had detailed information on it. The public will have a say at the public hearing which will
be uh Thursday May 27th. At that time we'll answer questions from the public. Uh the budget will be uh published will be on the uh website and on the bulletin board.
with that. Uh basically very brief, the budget is up 1,400,000 in expense. No reflection with the township uh whatsoever. This is all state mandates they pay. The pensions are up, garbage is up, and insurance is
up. Uh you have contractual obligations. That is your increase. Um how much percent was it, Roy? was like what 35% for the health benefits is up 21%. Group insurance is up roughly seven. I'm
sorry. Group insurance is 21. Pension is 12. Garbage is 15. Um right now we're coming in at $335 a house. And just for the public's knowledge, the rec the record newspaper will be doing some polling in the next
couple weeks. Um we've started gathering data already. Uh and pretty much on the middle to upper end of the increase in county. It's not a good deal for municipal government as far as tax increase, but again, you don't have
really to say on that as as a borrow, you do have to have health insurance. You do have to have uh pension payments, etc. As previously discussed with your CFO, I would like for you to when you get your opportunity to explore other
options such as uh towns that have may have private insurance. Maybe you could tag along with them or or you know explore private insurance. Whatever it may be, we would like for you to explore that. There are I think there's other options too, right? Okay. Yes. Thank
you. Can you tell me how much money we have [Music] escort? Any more questions? Take your time. Uh Roy, one more thing just to reassure the the audience here and council members concerning point of comparison
with other towns. We all had the increase of 21% 12% by the state man. We have no choice, right? people who have group insurance and pensions programs that we have no choice but however besides that um our increase percentage increase compared with comparable counts
is it average we're average we are definitely average um very quickly um this should all be written for the hearing but as I said we're up a million4 out of that um health insurance 430,000 of that
million4 other expenses 13,000. Burn County Utility Authority is up 132,000. The library oneird of a bill. You have no control over that. That's up $150,000 this year. Um your salary wages
are $186,000. That's your contractual obligations. Um and your debt's up 84,000. That's your expenses. Yes. You said taxes 33 335
per house per house average. Is that including the county? No, it's just municipal. We have no idea where the county's coming in. We don't know where uh the schools are yet. So, we have to wait for those documents as well. This
is just municipal. The school comes in around May 15th. It's called the A4F certification. We'll be getting that county could be as late as June. How much? We just don't know. Honestly, for the
municipal rate, you're going to see the symposium. We're on the, you know, you got one third up, one down. Some the same stay the same. We're on the upper end, but we are not the highest by far. There's $600. in the
county. Any more questions? All right. Thank you very much, Roy. I'll see you uh next month for more. I have a motion to pass introduction 2025 municipal budget.
Thank you. May I have a second? Roll call. Council Lee. Yes. Council M. Yes. Council Shin. Yes. Council. Yes. Council. Yes. To 2025 124.
Good. Hey Roy. Um if if you wait just one more I need for you to explain the uh employ extension. I'll stay. Thank you. Go ahead. consent agenda resolution 2025-125 authorization for approve approval of the director of local
government service to defer school taxes. Uh could you just quickly explain about 125 approval director of local government service to defer school taxes? Yeah. So in Palace Park before I came here we have a deferred school tax.
What it does is the schools going to get their money um No matter what, whatever the certification is, we have to raise it in taxes and pay the school. However, because of the deferment, what will happen is approximately one month of the
payments that are due through December 31st, we defer that to January. It helps with our budget. It doesn't hurt the school because they're on a fiscal year July 1st to June 30th. How does it help our budget? We don't have to pay out the
additional cost uh in this budget for us. Yes, in session I pointed out the typo here in the amount. This is not corrected yet. It should have been
corrected. If not, I'll send an email. It was a comma versus period. Oh, it's not changed. This these two At the session, I said 113,000 million.
And there's a point here. There's three points here. It's a million council. It's a 1.3. Let's clarify this and get this done. Now, on the record, it's it is what is 13 million. 13,185,000 and then 56. What is it? 56.
$556. Not just here. And this one, the 26,371.112 is going to be what? 26 million. Huh? Million. I'm sorry. 26,371,12. [Music] Right. This should have been reflected in this resolution. We asked for this.
This hasn't changed. It's unacceptable. You guys got to focus. I I don't know who it is. It's I'm really I'm really fed up. We talked about it. It should have been fixed. Thank you. Thank you. Counselor, make it reflect that there is
a change in this. You should change it now. Um with the correct amount because there's a typo error. Um it was it should be a very simple fix. Any more questions? We have a motion. I need a
motion. Thank you. May I have a second? Second. Roll call. Council Kim. Yes. Council Lee. Yes. Council me. Yes. Council Shin. Yes. Council Petri. Yes. Council. Yes.
Okay. Resolution of consent agenda 2025 125. Uh with a correction and the car. Let's go with the last resolution of consent agenda resolution 2025-26 authorization of
any questions about the operation extension. Uh Roy, can you explain quickly? Can you sit there and you don't have to come back for you know tell us why we have to do a budget extension? So what happens is the budgets were supposed to be introduced no later and
adopted by April 30th. Multiple towns in New Jersey just have not been able to come to that decision. Um so it's everything's being extended. We're formally extending it through the division. Um I can tell you this no there is no issue right the division was
late state was late and state is saying regretting to an extent right so we're going to adopt okay any more questions have a motion thank you may have a second second roll council yes council lee yes council me
yes council yes council yes council yes 25- 126 car. Let's move forward with the consent agenda. Okay. Consent agenda resolution 2025-127
through council agenda resolution 2025- 15. Council members, any questions, concerns? Uh from 127 to 153. I have a question. Yes, go ahead. Okay. 27 claims
claims is it possible that uh when uh when we have this claim list can you actually put the aggregated amount for each vendor? So like January like horizon we pay January, February, March
this is April instead of just just not only just giving us April number uh can we actually have a total number so I think we can do that. Did any request to get more information
to print out from the finance department to give more information about this? They did spread it out. They did put more information, but she's saying a little bit different. Is that possible, Roy? Would not be on the bill's claims list.
The reason it's not on the bill's claims list, the state regulates what we present to the public. However, for the township committee, Mayor Burrow, uh, whatever you would want, just come to the finance, we'll give it to you. But it will be of voluminous hundreds of
pages of vendor history um that we would do every month, which would be I don't think it's advantageous to anyone here except for you. Right. Right. Understood. So, so privately. Absolutely. ask hey what is your total expenditure
for this this this and this absolutely line for each vendor but it would not be on the bills list not on the bill's list but separately seeing that you can see I see you all the time you can't do that here that's what he's saying but you
could you could when when the finance department does this you could definitely send the email you bring this claim to us saying that here's the extra thing that you want okay and everybody buy and everybody Everybody, thank you everybody. Helpful. Very helpful. All
right. Any questions? Yeah. And also at the work session, I I thought I raised that uh on page 15 on the claims M international. The first one is hardware, second one is software cost.
And the first one, the hardware cost. What what we approved in at the December meeting was the amount was $21,0008 but what we spent is $26,000
65250 92 right so there are $5,002 increasing which is over 15% so we really need Right. What do you think? Do we need another resolution for this?
Right. Authorizing the additional, right? Well, the difference is because it was a year or so ago. Yeah. But we talked about this in a work session. Guys, get with the program. I don't understand how you you guys want us to
do the work. I I don't understand this. I want a resolution. Make this by tomorrow. Send that over, please. I don't care who does it. Anything more?
I mean, I have a question on other resolutions. Oh, no. Just just Yeah. Can you go ahead guys? This is a consent. It's it's a bag. Okay. Shoot it up. So, resolution 134, 139, 140. All the
resolution of We have a resolution back in Rio meeting that we pass the penalty as a borrow engineering and spend it up to 140,000. That's right. So, we don't really need
this resolution, right? All they have to contract because every time there's a separate proposal for specific work that has to be separate. It has nothing to do with what we as a total if we go close to
that total like we did with whatever J and J where the one resolution said up to 20 and we were at 25 so we had to do a resolution to for that change. It would be the same thing with this. The only time we would have to change the 140 is
if we get to the point where all of these are way more than 140. That's not how we do this. But that's the way that's the way you're supposed to do it. you have a project, a specific project, you are paying them for that separate
project. The 140 included the $2,500 a month and probably some of these other monies, but right now we're not close to the 140, but we do have a separate project. They expect they won't go ahead with the project until we say, "Okay,
that amount is fine." Every engineer that I ever worked with, they present a proposal for a project and then you get to vote on it. Okay. So previously, what we've been doing is if I remember correctly, we set it up limit and then
as long as that limit because it is a professional service that as long as they work just invoice. So as long as the limit, we just end up but there's a few differences. Number one, Roberto was able to negotiate a special arrangement
with the where certain things are going to be included as as normal monthly billing and other things are going to be add-ons that they will specifically like the projects that are now on these three resolutions. Those are projects that
they independently will give us a quote for before they do the work and it'll be in addition to the monthly amount that they are all still included as a part. They will be at the end of the day. They will be but this is the this is the correct way to do it procedurally
from so on top of the question let me ask you this question. So, do we ever execute it the assertified contract to Yeah, that was well mayor. We had a try to find the signed copy
because not aware of the final contract that they received. Drew up that contract and we agreed to it. So Poni has it and for their purposes but Penoni wasn't aware of the
resolution the limit that we set 140,000. He knows about that but he never got the contract. But he says where did you get the number from? So which which contract basically we worked on? It's probably from the former former
engineer that was about 140 original January is the one that had that langage. And it was taken from I suppose what the former engineer had gotten. So we worked on the resolution not even
get you know we didn't get to the contract part. So we just draft the resolution first get it passed authorizing the contract to be signed. No, we have received the bid end of the year for the professional services. It doesn't have numbers. I know that's what
I'm trying to say. So with that said, we have to get down to the number. So and then we draft the resolution. No. So if if we're just going to authorize 140 based on what we, you know, previously did
Yes. So the order of the work, right? Professional service. Are we off are we working based off on their uh their contract with their condition or are we just giving anybody the limit? No. Well,
this is how I know uh council. They provide us with a contract an agreement. The counselor reviews it and then and then he creates a resolution based upon that contract. The contract that should have been should have been there while
we're passing that into the packet wasn't there. And and and um the details of the contract the general format of the resolution should be a cap of 140,000 the details is in the contract it should be submitted together it
wasn't so do we are we with penon or not yes we are because I signed it but pony doesn't have the contract that's why since you're here right have we paid out any invoices to pon starting this year
I'm going to check. I don't I haven't gotten any invoices from Penonia. I've asked Steve to send me invoices because last check with Penonia is back in December 6. That's the last payment that we made. Starting off this year, we haven't paid anything. I don't think we
did. Huh? I don't think we did this year, right? Check the bills. So, we normally did some work throughout. I mean, we're we're in May right now. But understand, we have the RFQ process and that's what we're living with with the 140. Uhhuh. Let's start from the
scratch. I haven't sent your point of view right now. But where is the where's the contract? Who has it? Where's my signature? Why isn't the signature not with the record keeper at the end of the day? Somebody who has it and Pony doesn't have it and I will have a copy.
couldn't tell you. It's not my obligation. That's true. I have I have I'm happy to share it with everybody. I don't know why it wasn't signed. We discussed it. You could you bring the copy right now? Check if it's signed or not. It's not. I have an
unsigned copy. Why is there unsigned copy? Because I'm not the one signing it. You were going to sign it. We had it that day with him. How come I was never asked to sign that off? You want to see the other copy? I'm happy to get it. Yes, please get that and I'm going to sign that right now.
So, Poni side, they don't have an official contract even though on the record it says we hired you for 140,000. He doesn't have Penoni company doesn't have an executed contract. So, technically, even though we said we hired you, their contract doesn't exist.
The only thing that's available is a cap which is 200,000 and and on top of that uh the resolution number 131 we're not clear with penoni and we're we're hiring special engineer
to do what what's the scope of the work there is a backup engineer so we get competitive pricing when when penoni what like I said before there are certain things that are included Penon's
monthly bill to us that will be included and then there are extras because those extras we can then we get last year when we appoint about around October right when we appoint penoni as a special engineer right we have not given them
$50,000 limit on their contract I think I if I can reme remember correctly we give 12,000 or 13,000 so where does 50,000 for the special engineer coming from. I don't see the contract here, but the only contract we see is the uh our
contract, our boarding. So, do they aware that they're going to get 50,000? Yes, they are. But they're not getting 50,000. No, I know their limit is 50,000. Correct. But why are we setting us 50,000? We don't know what project we're
doing. And we're setting just, you know, the limit as 50,000 without knowing any project that we're going to do. How much is going to cost? Where's the detail? We're just putting them as a backup. Then back up. Put them as a
13,000 limit. I recall signing that contract on top of that with a contract that's been modified the negotiating that occurred with Roberto and and resolution number 133 service contract with website
administrator graphic designer. Where's the contract? I'm going to pass this without government. You know, I we're we're we're in the middle of the year right now and I'm constantly having this
issue that we're not fully provided with the details. How h how how how am I supposed to work here as a governing body? for the voting for the resident here behalf of the resident here. I totally agree
with you councel. Um after we verify body not was provided with the proper documents. Okay. 1 149. This just came in today. Okay. We This is the uh auction
that we're looking to sell some of the uh some of the uh um vehicle rightw vehicle. Right. So, where does M what's the company name? Municip.com. Okay. Where we get that? Because we've
been usually uh dealing with GPIO, right? And in fact, resolution 132 So, and also it's a advertisement for auction to sell equipment. Why are we advertising it? We're just going to load it up on the website of the uh uh
surplus website and sell it from there. They're they're the one who's going to pay it. Hold on. Those are two right on top of the uh resolution 132 authorization to
auction surplus equipment. That's what we're using. We're authorizing to sell that equipment to the surplus website. Are we doing the same thing with DPW? No, you're absolutely right, counselor. that goes to
our website designated website to sell. We don't need you don't I lost my resolution. You don't need you don't need that resolution. Okay. My question still goes on. -50 150 awarding contract to s uh serenino
heating uh cooling incorporation for hback work. Yes. Okay. I I have the three code here. Yeah. The last one the code says 925 2024. Is this still got it? I'm looking at something. What what what
resolution 150 150 you got three. One of them came in 320 of this year. The other one was first quote and it did not have a date. That's when that's when someone else started getting the
quotes. Remember there was confusion between the second floor police and the second floor unit. So when I spoke to Mr. We said as long as there wasn't a deadline for 30 days or whatever that that vote is valid, but this is stated
925. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Okay, we're in May. We're going to be answering May. Did I have question about that? Yeah, we said we would give it to the lowest uh quote. Yeah, but that was an older quote. As long as it didn't
have a date, this is only good for 30 days, I could use it. He's going to honor that quote, we'll take it. If there's a date restriction or if it's been rescended in the meantime, so Mattler Mler is okay with that, right? I
mean, we didn't select that because they're not the lowest, but We got the lowest one. There was a weather, there was um riner rider and there's one they did the other
unit was I think 20 something,000 21 22 22 the other one was 23 and change and the lowest was 20 22 I think okay all right so um okay that's 151 the morning contract cooperative pool management license for
features repairs at the municipal pool right when this when This was the problem arised 5 years ago. No, no. Brought to attention like we need to get this fixed. Oh, I guess a
month or so ago when we went we brought somebody there and they brought it to our attention that the filtration tanks were rusted and there was major problems. Why are we Why
are we Why are we talking about this last minute though? Because that's how long it took to get the quotes. Har and I have been working on this for months. So 151. You're saying that the reason why this came out at the last moment is because you got the codes completed by
some of them. The one of them they came today. The other ones I got next week. What was the one that came today? I think 151 came today. 151.
Okay. 151 came today. So that's why you have I can't produce the quotes. I got it. I got it. Reason why this came out late is because you didn't get a complete coat. Um because because we have to open up the pool. You have to put this in. And
you said that it came today to get the complete code. Now, Penoni, he gave me a contract and I do recall that you worked hard with Penoni and VA to negotiate a better term. I remember that. And then we sat together with him and then and then this
is the finalized copy. Yes. It says March 3rd. Just March 3 March 3rd. So So why March 3rd? $2500. So where is the contract? All right.
153. So mechanical repair at the pool. Okay. Where is three codes? Where's the three codes for the weather? I mean, they were sent to everyone. with the package. Where is that one? I assume it was because I sent it twice.
Yeah, I see that. But I sent all three of them twice. So, I didn't send who to who? To the clerk and to Scott. Clerk, you have you see an email from Roberto to make a complete packet three. No, I don't need this
anymore. I have copies that I sent. I can show the copies of when I sent them to Scott twice. I spoke to Sophia. This is what I want you to do. Print it out for me right now. Go there and give it all to the library. Somebody explain to me that
mean we're paying for the library. No, we're not. We're helping out the uh library because we have the system, we have the bidding procedure. They have no resources. They rely on our procedures and support for that. Every extra cost, whether it's a additional legal or
engineer, they pay for it. We don't. Okay. Thank you, Mayor. Yes. Uh with the with the engineering issue here, right? Unless it's clear, right? The Resolution number 134 is a proposal
to uh improvement on the Belv for 27,000. Yes. And the resolution 139 is the same proposal from Poni Long Avenue and Temple terrace project. Right. Resolution 140 is the change of
order. Uh I'm I'm going to talk about that too. It's a fire alarm suppress uh suppress project. Right. What's the change? What? What? What's the detail? So, which one you want to start with? So, 140 140
140. It all here. I get I get that. Let's go to 140. You asked the question. What is it for? This is nothing here. But it says that Bal is trying to perform certain improvements with regard
to the fire system. We're done with that. We got to pass, right, counselor? council. Well, we're giving the uh change order change order. So, there's got to be a price increase,
right? Amount of 8,855. We need the breakdown of what it is, right? This is also So, I mean, and also resolution 135, 136, 137. Slow down. So, you get this
one. Thank you. Uh one second. Yes. Go ahead. All right. 135 136 137 138 is the advertisement for the bid for the project. This so 135 tall Delv Place parking lot
improvement. What what bit are we uh uh making the specs out of it. What is making the specs? I know. But what what are we doing for 12, right? For the VA. She these are
all her she knows everything. You just can't say improvement. We need to know the detail. If the resident it's advertised for bids with code bill replaced, right? Councilman, that means I expect a fully ready to be
disseminated bid packet. Do we have that? That means so what's authorization authorization of of BL advertise bids? So we don't have the bids. Um, what we did with some of these, and I don't know
if if the bids have been received yet, but we did the resolution authorizing to work on the bid to pay them for doing that oversight and at the same time advertise the project. We
expect their bids to be to us before May. So this way we're not held up waiting for May in order to advertise the streamline. But what they mean correct? Yes, that's what that's what the resolution. Then how do I are
they going to send another proposal for that or do they just work on it and then send the invoice? I I'm confused. Yeah, this is what I'm confused about. Because we have a resolution that they use as a
professional service of $240,000. Then they send some kind of proposal and they some other work and but no cost. No no no. So the
one resolution for for example for 12 is for them to do the bids that we need to then advertise. So what we're doing is we're authorizing payment or proni to undertake the work to do the bid specs for that project.
Then once the bid specs are done then we advertise the bids and we go to public. But it doesn't say that. It doesn't say that. It says authorization of the burough court advertise the bids. Right? That's separate. You can't put the two
resolutions together. You authorize Penoni to do the bids and you authorize the clerk to We're doing them together in one so that it gets opposed. They usually do not break down a
proposal. The proposal is what it says and how what they're doing. They do not break it down by hours. I see. Now, now I see. I see. What we used to do is this, council members. We used to do the
bid packet when it's all completed. We all review it. The purchasing officer reads it, the BA reads it, you read it on the legal side, and everything is okay. And then and then what we do is after that, we go we're going to put it
into bid. before that we say we're going to create a bid. Ask uh ask if you know there'll be a resolution saying that create a bid. What they're doing is that we're going to put it together. We never did that. That's why it's a little bit confusing. As long as it's legal, it
doesn't explain and we still get to review the bid package, make sure it's perfect. We advertise, but this takes care of the procedural requirements that can hold us up. Understood. You guys understand that, right? Used to go. Okay. We need a resolution to pay or get get get the bit
packet ready and then once we get it everything goes through the process everything's ready to be clean to be presented for a bit then we do another resolution to open bid they're saying that we got we got to put it into one resolution will we'll save that time if it's legal well not one they're two
separate resol yes it's perfectly legal that portion I think I understand the portion that I don't understand how as opposed to 134. So 144 they said this
is how much I'm going to charge for this one right but then 135 they will spend some hours to prepare the field how they going to charge us well when we get the first invoice then I'll show it to you I
haven't gotten one invoice from them yet okay so for any work this year so so they will do two different type of work one is as a professional service charge hourly whatever this that whatever and then the other one is some additional
proposal to do the specific one that's fine it's fine it's fine is the invoice what I believe they send over to our office I send it in the mailbox you just got them no if I had them I would brought them to
finance but that's fine we just need some clarification I just actually I asked Steve twice because he talked to me about And it send me the invoices. No, I mean ex how could how could they be paid?
Because we authorized it in we appointed them in that resolution. All professionals need the resolution from Rio. There have been at least three or four who never got that and asked me
going forward in February or March, oh was I appointed. That's what they go by to bring off resolutions. That's fine. Goes by that, but then Colon usually or any other vendor will ask, "Hey, where's our contract? I signed it.
Send it over." Right now, Penoni doesn't have it. I don't have it. We're still And then we're here up to here still authorizing Penoni to do stuff while we don't have a signed contract. Still missing. There's a problem here.
I mean the correct procedure that I kind of know is that when we using a professional service uh doesn't matter special we point right we work based on the contract of what they're offering
and then what we negotiating with right once that that's been agreed we we'll draft a resolution based on that contract once that resolution resolution get voted by the governing body here, right? And it gets passed. That contract
gets signed by mayor uh whoever attest and then get certified and send that out to the uh the Yeah. the professional it gives it to the person that we hire. Am I wrong? No, you're right. No.
So we already have this professional end of the year who wants to work for us to get appointed. So they sending their proposal in. So with that proposal, we
talk to the professional service. What's your offer? What's your condition? And then we negotiate with them. Once that's been agreed, we we draft the resolution, right? We voted on it and we pass it and we certify them. We send that out the
final execution. That's the proper procedure, right? We didn't follow proper procedures and we're and I'm going to back the reason why they didn't ask for any invoices done now is because they don't have a contract. The only thing they have is a
resolution that's passed in January. And what I got from the VA is an old contract March 3rd. I recall sitting down with you, Oba. I applaud you for saying that you need I told you to work a deal with him because God want a better deal and you finalized it. I I
think I recall signing that off. I know. And where did that go? I I really have to go through all my emails and find out. But that's the that's the final one. This is not March 3. I understand the terms are right.
It was 2,800. That was 2500. Remember that was I showed you the one upstairs that I have for the old one. Everything we took out. All right, guys. This is how I feel. This is how I feel. I think there's a lot of problem here and we're going to address this
after this meeting. This is not the right right venue. I have to give the mayor have to put it together. My question to you guys is concerning all these matters, right? Whether whether or not whether or not this is proper procedure, we'll we'll we'll figure that out. That's something else. We need to
see if the presentation provided for 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 1 140, 151, and 153 is is acceptable for just this resolution. Does the governing body, the the uh council members have the
supporting documents to make a decision? Do we have it now? It seems like right now I have a penoni here. BA, are you saying that this is something else? I can leave this for now. Okay, now let's go with one by one. 134 park improvements. Do we
have 134 documents with it? The proposal. There it is. Proposal's over here. So, this is okay. Let's go with 135 bid for total f place not improvement.
Okay. You don't need anything else except for the resolution, right, counselor? Yeah. Yeah. We're moving forward right now. We're 135. We don't need anything. Yeah. We don't need anything from here. So that's fine. Acceptable for the the
council members. 136. for first second street and fourth street 136 for the advertisement so nothing what's the detail of the bid what are we looking to do advertise the bid when we get it
remember remember remember uh council council what they're trying to do is they want to first advertise and at the same time authorize to start the bid so they're saying that we want in one shot wasting time going through back to back twice. We It's okay if my counselor the
attorney says it's fine. We're going to say we're going to authorize the bid and we're also going to authorize the uh advertisement without having that because that doesn't mean that we need to have it right now. We're going to It says certain improvement. What is that?
I think which one 136 the same because when we mayor right when we looking to bid something out cuz it's going over the the threshold of the uh 44,000
threshold 44 we have to 44 anything above right so we're looking to put out a bit advertisement right so who's going to who's going to do the who's going to do the bid specification Well, that's the engineer. Okay. There there are two
resolutions for each project. One for Pony to do the bid specs which has should have the proposal attached and the second one is to advertise when they're when they're bids done because in the resolution it says Penoni is in the process of preparing the bid specs
134. Well, I'm looking at 135 135 right now. So Penoni is is is also right authorizing Penoni to do the bid and we're authorizing the advertisement once we get the bid from them. Okay. So that's my next question. Penoni has been
involved in this advertisement, right? There hasn't been an advertisement. No, not yet. Okay. So this is it again. Let me tell you that's why it's so confusing. Yeah. Pop this way of doing it. Okay. We need to do something. We need a bid. Okay. Engineer, could you create a bid packet for us? They go
through the proper procedures of the purchasing unit, the BA and the burial attorney to make sure everything's all in place. They say this is ready to be presented. Okay. We that's when we go, okay, let's take a look. You know, if that's ready, we'll approve that. And then and then once that once that is
ready, right, we don't get a resolution that says, could you pre prepare a bid packet? And then the engineer kicks in and then after it's completed, then we go, okay, can we advertise? They put it together. Okay. So in this resolution of the
advertisement says the boral engineer Poni is in the process of preparing drawings right now is already involved 135 136 137 okay how are we going to use the penoni if the contract
is not been clear? No no no no no like I said you're still talking about the same thing. This is not done yet John right we have internal situations that we have to address. However, right now we're not here to talk about internal addressing. We'll figure that
out later. We have a resolution here that is prepared right now properly. Why? Because some of them don't have a notes like for example I just got a note you know this is this is very improper getting getting the documents whether we asked what the last we had or you know
whatever. So we have we have the three welding. So 153 is okay guys. Okay. We have the proper three call proposals for 133. 153. We do. We do. We have it here. We have it here. I see it right now. Now, now for 150. Now, 151, which is
aquatic pool management. Roger gave gave me and some of your others the three codes. We have that. That's fine. Okay. Let's go up 140 change of motor system. Do you have do you do you know why we got to change? Do we have that over here?
Tell us why. Because tell us why there was additional work that was not on the fire. I got it. But the governing body wants to know what was changed. What was added? That should have been explained. The invoice, the extra
8,855 should have been with your resolution. Why can not why can't we having such a horrible time figuring this out? I don't know. Part of this little problem. It seems can't figure it out. We want the documents in here.
Have to remember that. We'll have to go on. Okay. So, so this now please let me finish. Please let me finish. I wanted to get this done. All right. What? What? 1 140 change of alarm. This this does we have a problem with this if we don't
pass this right now? Can we pass it next month? No, I think we should pass it tonight. We cannot pass it tonight because we don't have the documentation for it. I'll have that upstairs. Bring it up. By the right. All right. You know what,
we're getting there. We're getting there. Right now, we're up to 140. and 138, 137, 136, 154, 134. We had a question about how can we do this where we don't have the contract. That's something else we could talk about
later. It's not not it's not unlawful. Correct, counselor. Right. So, that's why I'm saying we need to figure this out. If we have the document for all of this, we have to make a decision. And after and after after that after the fact we're going to we're going to
revisit why we got to the situation inside. Can we table some of the resolution? You cannot table the resolution unless you have a valid reason. She's getting it right now. Now again 153 it's okay. You
guys got it right. You got the proposal. You got to say where is the three codes? You got that for 153. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. And 151, right? Good. Now 140. We asked where is the increase? What is the reason why increase? You can't just say
went up 808,500. She said it's in my office. I cannot accept that. It should have been you should have been with the burl clerk. The bur clerk put stapled it in there. He should have brought us. So this is unacceptable. Uh Roy, since you're here, do you know why not got
paid? I mean, there's some of the work he didn't invoice. I'm not holding any invoices. Yeah, that is something that we would ask the wrong person. We're going we're going to get to the bottom of the council and not right now. It's the wrong venue. The
people waiting right now. We don't look too good right now. And we we'll resolve it, but not here. This is management. The items on this are at the police department.
This was sent to Scott when he did the uh resolution. So 140 140 is okay. Now 134 138 Baseball Avenue it's attached online.
This is the same thing. You got to authorize and also authorize the engineer to create the bid and also authorize the advertisement. The attorney said it's okay. I could accept it. So we have all the documents for that but however Yeah. Yeah. That's why
there was a confusion 138 authorization bur advertise bid for lawn and avenue temple terrace project also the same type correct same type they want to combine one so we don't have to go through two different types of steps and waste two months I agree with that if
that's legal is fine let's go with the next one 137 this is also the same type same Okay, two for one special 136 August for bid one, two and three
highlight. This is also but let's go to 136. The improvement is for what? That's for the bond ordinance that we were introducing for various students. Again, just saving time. No, I got it. No, that's fine. The details like for
example, right 136 o for bids for one second street and fourth street at Highland Avenue. Yes. If you read the uh resolution, it should say that, you know, we're we're we're repaving or we're we're we're doing sewage work. You
can't just say authorize Bart because you may know there it is. It's in the bottom. It's in the bottom, right? This was just right. Okay. So by council members, if you go to the resolution bottom as
resolution 202513, this should be our second introduction. This is our introduction right here. If you see it, you'll see the the approximate what we're going to do in first street, second street, fourth
street in avenue. So do we have we know now what these bonds authorization for for the uh for the bids app bids we have I'm going to do this nice and slow first street we have we have second street we
have we have four street we have and we have high we have now so this 136 is okay 136 is okay but 35 is the Belleview 137 is a Columbus Park
project. 137 probably won't happen which may not need to do that. It's fine. It's just that the Columbus project where supposed to do a dog park. Correct. Now, now right now it's presented to us
to get this passed. Where is the details of this that says that what we're going to do here? It just says world pal engineer. See the thing is we have not seen I know how it works. You and me talk. Okay. But the rest of the council
members do not know the details of the enough details of the park project by the presentation. So if you need to explain right now if you can what it is and you will be and this will be exactly how it is supposed to be. You're
verbally explaining 137. Yeah. 137. We're we're we're doing what? We're doing a doggy park. We are doing a doggy park and a pickle ball. And we're not doing the pickle ball at that site because it's too loud. Said it's too
loud. Okay. So, we're proceeding with the dog park only. And I'm not going to need to advertise. We put it there originally, but we're physically not this one which I would relate to the clerk because she doesn't have anything
to advertise yet. This is just a rotation. So, we saved again some time by putting it on and whether we do that one or not will go forward when I
further right now. Okay, we're doing that one in house. In other words, there's no proposal because he's not charging me for Columbus. It's the same thing as 104, 105. Exactly the same. And she would not advertise. This is
just giving her the authority. She won't advertise anything until the specs are done. If in fact Okay. All right. But I understand it's just that traditionally the council members even even me when I was on council were so used to seeing everything step by step by step. It does
take longer. So we will we will conditionally we're going to pass this thing um for no need to create the doggy park right it's not done yet right no I'm not here this is only the G and then
authorize the authorize Poni to draw draw and also advertise the same thing as that when is penoni going to handle all this when is going to be prepared he's working Guys, let me think about this. All right, I'm talking about the time here
and help me out. Council members, I have to send your point of view saying that is put it together. Pass it first. Well, it's not ready yet because because you know we'll have to go through when it's ready, we have to go through a resolution saying, "Hey, no need to create it." And then when create is
done, then we have to authorize that to advertise. So weird. Yeah. We're doing a work the other way around. This is so weird. Right now, should we receive the big authorized? We we have his
proposal to do it. That's what we're authorizing tonight. Allowing him. We're accepting his proposal for that bid specs and for the construction of it because they do the inspection during the you know during the building. So why
don't we have a copy of those specs? Most of them 12 Belle excuse me 12 Belle it's in my packet so I assume it's in yours one in Temple it's in your packet. Columbus Park was just an authorization. In the
meantime I I'm talking about the facts. There are no bis facts for Well, you're not going to see the big stakes. Crazy bomb run. Mayor, since since we're drafting a bispec, if
we have the boral engineer, we could just ask the boral engineer to get the bispec and then once the bispec gets ready, it gets to the governing body and you know we ready advertisement of the
b. So right now we so like like we said Poni is our oral engineer but they don't have the contract right now are we with penonium or what? Yes. Can we ask them to do the best thing without doing the
resolution? Yes. They're already wait as an accommodation so we can get moving. Things have not been getting done. So we're trying to move things along and this is the best way to do it. I'm saying don't we have to authorize the advertisement of the fifth specs right
yes that's what authoriz no they don't get the the resolution authorizing the advertisement is the same it is now than as it will be when we get the bids back so there's nothing different yeah so why don't we
pass the resolution to authorize the bid to three months to do that expedites the process where we don't They're not going to advertise a bit until it's been fully approved by P by everybody. So all this does is take care of the procedural
requirement that the resolution authorizing the advertisement is already in place and everything else happens in due course with us reviewing the specs, making sure they're accurate and then advertising them when when we're ready to advertise them instead of having to get to the point where we're ready with
the bins specs and then have to wait till the meeting for the following month to be permitted to advertise. Our authorization to advertise this facts has to be there for 3 to four weeks. It can't go effective immediately. You you can only do it at a council meeting
unless you call a special meeting. That's right. Special meetings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then this this is very normal because real quick the bond ordinances
that you pass that I wrote with bond counsel and with that gentleman there gives you the detail exactly what those bid specs are going to be. Everything I'm hearing for last hour has been done procedurally correct. One issue was you
didn't see the change order for the $8,000 There's more than that. Hold on. We still have a missing pen contract. All right. But with the pen contract, I can tell you because councilwoman is 100% correct. But in the bottom
ordinance itself, it lays out detail what the engineer is going to do. I get that. Didn't sound that way up here. No, what I'm trying to say is I understand the point of view. You want to speak to something. You don't want a special
meeting. You know, let's let's But I'm trying to see guys, is it the chicken first or the egg first? Chicken came first because you have your bond audience in place. I worked with So, everybody here on those bond audiences. That's the majority of
what you need to do as a collective burrow council. The minutiae of the detail you can get, of course, but that's why you have an administrator that does all that work for you. The only thing is this. I see the advantage. The only advantage that we have council members is we don't we may
if we if we get into a tough spot, we don't have to do a special meeting. But they can't advertise it until we review. Of course, anyone can of course we need to we need to review the pack. Can I explain one thing? When I do the advertisement, I have to put the online
or my newspaper this project the bid package very specific date. So I need a Well, right now we're just authorizing it, but we're not really doing it yet. Yeah. There's process. So, get the bid spec
ready. Get the package ready. Put that on the resolution. You need to authorize the bid spec. You know what I mean? Okay. The only issue that I can see that that you could have with with the way we're doing
this, there's no issue. like it just creates confusion. There's no harm in passing these resolutions. I hear you. But it creates confusion. It's my Can I say something? In fact, last at the last month, we did the exact
same thing for the library project because we were kind of collaps right and then today we actually pass a word the contract lowest, right? So come to think about it at that time
we actually pass the same thing but then after that engineer actually put the bits back right yeah architect put the bits back and then uh we advertise right and then we getting all those that all
happened in one month so I do see the benefit so the process went through same way We uh of course we don't have any separate process that you know review and um the board for that disp uh we
just depend rely on so we just get to the bid right that's it so yeah I mean okay guys again by this move like for example right we do this right let's just say the penoni has a bit pack already right the bit pack has
to go through the proper procedures And then they have to let us know the defend is ready. And then they're not going to just advertise because we authorize it. They'll let us know can we authorize and then because technically we approved it. We we approve it again
saying that you could do it. The only advantage here is creating a special need. That's it pretty much. We're in a tight spot and right now we are kind of in a tight spot. Um the total value is being delayed. So just for keep safe, let's just do this. How about this guys?
If you guys are not liking it, it's up to your discretion, right? You guys are the one that had the votes to get it done and I'm I'm the mayor. But for this case, we understand why they did it. Let's get this going. As long as there's documentations provided, we vote on it.
But after that next month, I rather do the old process way. It seems like the council members majority. Let me know that you want to go back revert to the old way when we authorize the penoli to create a bit packet in a resolution in
one month and then we have to wait until he's ready and then we come back and say, "Okay, you're ready. We're going to have to do a whatcham call it advertisement." That's the original way. That's fine. So this was just a one kind of shot thing of trying to move these
things along especially from Belie because we've been talking about No, I get it. I get it. We could avoid the special meeting. However, I respect the wishes of the government body. Gummy body is very confused about that. It feels like we were having the egg before the chicken and we would like the egg
first. Okay. So if you guys understand we figured it out. Uh since this has now let's go back now. You get it, right? So, we all decide if it's okay. Majority, I need your consent. Guys, could you please let me know? Raise your hands. Who wants to revert to the
original way after this month? Raise your hands. Please raise your hands. One, two, revert it to revert to the original way that you're talking about. Okay. This month, they tried it so they could avoid the special meeting and also
try to expedite this fast because we're running out of time. It seems like everybody understand that but not comfortable with the ways of doing it. You want if you guys want to go back, I need a resolution before the bid packet. Get it done. Okay, let's have a meeting.
We checked out the bid packet. Now we're going to advertise exactly how you guys used to. If you guys want to do that from next month, please raise your hands, please. One, two, three, four, five. Thank you very much. We join the rule. So this just for this Pete's sake,
it wasn't incorrect. It wasn't improper. They wanted to get it done fast. Fine. However, the governing body does not want to do that in next month. Having said that, let's finish this up. It's getting really late. We we have the first street and the second street and the fourth street. Correct. Author
advertise 12 Belleview parking lot 135. Do we have a drawing? We don't have a drawing. You have the proposal. Proposal. Good. Good. The proposal the proposal the agenda is here, right? And because
the the the engineer did not create the drawing and it's not complete for that, we're doing the same thing as the other one. But this won't happen again. So we're okay with that. 135. All right. 134 authorizes the engineer now.
Authorizing engineer service proposal for 79K. This is 134. Where's 134? Anybody have 134 here? Does it does it have attached attached
document? So, yeah, this is the one that's okay too as well. 134. 134 is okay because there is attached documents here. Well, my question to that is the amount for that 134 is 27,000 roughly, right? Mhm. Are we going to dispense that amount
from the uh appointed limit amount 140 or is this going to be a separate payment outside of the 140? It cannot be separate. It cannot be separate. Okay. It's under the cap. It's under the cap, guys. Don't forget. So, with that said, good. Now, we're done. No. Anything that
involves the uh the penoning the proposal, right? For example, 134 139 134 139 140 140 make sure we have to clear
uh what the contract and dispense from 140,000 and once that limit goes over come back to the governing body we vote on the extension of the amount all the attorneys that went over from the original you guys have specific
instructions the mayor saying that we should do that. So, please get it done. Okay. And and and what you call it um do not do combined together now. It's very creating a headache. I know you guys are efforts, but they want to do it the
traditional way. I respect what they want to do. Y it seems like everything's okay now this resolution. Can I make two comments? Yes. So, for all the resolutions related to Poni, could we stipulate that we'll get a sign
executed contract. Absolutely. First, as a condition. Second comment, can we reserve the right to review the bit specs in relation to 135? So, don't just advertise the bid.
Oh, no. What's going to happen is this. When the bid is ready, when the bid is ready, when the bid is ready, you deserve the right. Yeah. Everybody has a right to take a look. Yeah, I know. I understand. Before we approve. In other words, I want to make I want to make it clear with the stipulation that even
though we we provide the chicken first, the eggs got to come through. What I'm trying to say is that whether we we did approve to create the bid, we approved to advertise. However, those both processes have to come back to the governing body for an approval. Okay.
But my question is if he's the engineer, who's going to who's going to check that he's doing the bit specs, right? Not an engineer. Look, this is what happens. They should cover what you know. This is what happens, guys. The engineer works
an engineer is verified by the purchasing agent. Royy's doing a good job at it. He makes sure all the files, all the elements of a bid package is there and then after that goes to Scott. Scott will review the legalities of it and he gives a set of approval. You are
the overseer. You're responsible for everything. So you're going to say, "Okay, I'm going to double check again. Make everything's okay." So with that said there, the resolution number 131, appointing special engineer, I don't think we need that. Yes. Wait, this is this is different right now. With that
said, please we'll work with that. It's not a problem. But first, let's finish this. Okay. Are we agreeing this stipulation? All right. Yeah. That you have that you have to give you have to give us all the reason I want to review is because right
now W but we don't know what we're going to do with it. So we just want to understand how it looks. Yeah. Exactly. So we just want to understand the general content of it. We're not going to go look for it to see this. Correct. It's more the context. Even though we authorize it because we haven't seen it
right now because of this happen next year, next month, we still just for this application to pass through, we'll have to see it. We'll have to see and see. Okay. We also have to also uh approve that. Yes, it's okay to send it over to
the bip to to the bid. Good. Can I just explain one thing? The reason that we need 131, there are certain projects I'm going to be talking about one a little bit later. We can't use the same because of the
requirements. So, it's okay. You can talk about it right now. Just explain to us why we special. So in 2022 a grant was given by the transportation alternatives from the
DOT. Nothing was done but luckily in working with some people I found out about it. I called the state found the parameters for consulting. It's a million47,000 for the signalization of
crosswalks sidewalks. It's for the safety of pedestrians will be paving avenue from down that way. Um, and so we've saved that 1 million for and
change. The only issue is I am waiting for Penoni to do, which I actually just got today, but I wasn't going to add it to the agenda, his proposal for the design of that grant. That's The first step that then goes to do they review their design
parameters because two other two little things they will design it but then you have no say in it. We wanted to design it ourselves so we have a say in how it's designed. We pay for
that. So that's whatever but we have the money. Excuse me. So after the that they review then we have to go out to bid. It cannot be the same engineer who designs it and then does the construction
documents. So that's why you need to appoint a separate engineer with expertise in that so that we have somebody to go to and again not that we need a special meeting but there's no harm in putting colleges on. There might
be other things where there's a conflict and can't So that how do we come up with the 50,000 per year for years? Yeah. Because we've been using 50,000 pretty much in
every resolution for attorneys, special this, special that. It's just a number and you have to have something in there. We're not going to put 100,000. So we start with 50 and if that needed to be changed going down,
we could. We appointed Keni last year as a special engineer in October, right? And we end up spending 8,000 or less than 8,000 with five different uh work that was if I remember correctly did some work for you.
Yeah. So, you know, 50,000 I think just that's just too much since we're actually using Poni for 140 for a special engineer. I like to put them as a one uh 12,500.
Well, what happens? What happens? It goes over. Bring it up. But guys, guys, guys, I get it, though. But come on, guys. I get it. I I I get it. But But, you know, like the fact that, you know, 50,000, he's going to tell us how much
it cost, how much he's charging us. If it's going to be 10,000, he's have to show us you spent $10,000 worth of work and time there. If you want to limit yourself to $15,000, it goes over, we're gonna have to come back again. I don't want to do that. I really don't want to do that. I want to make sure that this
person, you said that the reason why we're special attorney is because engineer is because we need we need we need to get we need to do that for the grant. Correct. Yes. We can't use our own world. Period. If we got somebody special to do
the design could have done that. I got you. So this is the reason why we need to do that. Somebody to do that. I really recommend let's not mess around with this guys. Just just leave it. I understand if it's going to be 50,000. Make sure that it's going to be that he's going to get paid for what he what
he what he earned. Okay. You want to let put it lower. I'm afraid you have to bring it back down. You're talking about a million over a million and I have and we need to get this to build done fast. Um let's make sure that he is charged
correctly. counselor. Could you make sure that he is not ripping us off? Yes. Yeah. Penoni is a little pony is a bit different. But anyways, let's leave that shot because because I'm afraid that if
it goes over, we have to come back here again. We don't want to do that. Okay, guys. Anymore 133 the contract? Yeah. Where is this contract? We don't have that contract.
Correct. See, when we hired the website administrator, we didn't have a contract. We had a resolution. There was no contract. But there service contract. Yeah. So, we should create a contract anyways. Okay. Yeah. So, I'm going to
I'm going to actually going to table this. I not table this. I I would like to strike this out until the next month. This is out. and 149 advertise an option to sell equipment. Can it be just authorization
to au auction surplus equipment/dpwed? Wait a minute. We do uh we do use this. Okay. We sell it, right, John? Yeah, we sell it to one place only, right? Uh we use it on a website and uh yeah, it goes one place that we always use. I would like to use the same one if we're going
to help the DPW do that. We always do that. One lo one resource right now. Mayor Mayor, we just sold uh four disabled vehicles on drug deals. We got 16,600. That's fine. But your question is why do we have to authorize this
because we were doing it anyways, right John? House Councilman, is that your question? No. The resolution said authorizing the bor clerk to advertise an auction to sell equipment belonging to the department of public works. But if you quote back 132 resolution
authorization to auction surplus equipment, that's what we sell from the police department. So it could be drafted as the same resolution but you know the title could be uh different. Why was this like that? Why was it municipal? Whatever the name of that
they have their own resolution that they require. That's why we use a different form. We use their form because that's what they wanted. We need CP and experience. So but the police
department using the G and we are much familiar with that system. So we better use same system. So cross this off and we'll have to DPW is going to have to wait. They wanted to try to sell this stuff right away. Yeah, everything is ready.
Okay. So it's just decide whether we can use [Music] what's what's the problem here? I don't know what the problem is guys cuz you just said utilize the online auction services for municip which we use.
Who who who brought out municipal bid? I did. I've had a lot of luck with them selling DPW equipment. When you change this kind of stuff, please let us know. Okay. We don't want to be sid side swap. If there's something that you want to recommend, that's perfectly fine. But
you can't just do this and say you know what you know like like everything say that's why this is happening. Wait a minute where were you using this in backup? Why are you doing that? So if you want to count council members if you want to change this to go besides that
police department what would you like to use bid or gov that you've been using? Gov deals is what we've been using. Gov deal. The the police heads are recommending to use G gov deal. I'm
sorry. And also but but but Robera with her authority decided that I'm going to go change this and you didn't let us know. Don't do that again. These kind of changes we should know. Um council members, how do you guys feel about it? You guys want to go back to go
deal because the police says this is what we use. We would like to use it. Yes. All right. Council. All right. So, just you can make a whoever's going to make a motion to if someone's going to move to approve this with with the stipulation, right? The stipulation that
you modify it to be uh dove deals as opposed to make the motion. Make the motion Charlie. Charlie, would you like to make the motion? Yes, I will make exactly this what the counselor said.
The min. Is there is there is there a second to that? I second. All in favor? I I majority. Do we have a majority? Yes. Would you like to go to gov or you want
to go to mun? Here is my Oh, no. No. Please don't. Please don't. Please don't go there. Please. Please. I'm asking you this question. Answer. I need a majority. One, two, three, four. Don't count on me. That's fine. That's fine.
Debating myself. That's fine. It's okay. Thank you. So, we have So, Charlie made a motion to pass this resolution with the stipulation of changing municipal. Correct. Good. Ma'am, second. Second.
Roll call. Yes. Go ahead. Oh, yeah. I'm so sorry. Yeah. No, this is this is something that we actually have to bring about into the off consent agenda. My gosh, what a mess. This has to come out of the mouth
consent agenda because we we are we are not putting this together. You don't put anything together. The consent, it goes to off consent. Correct, counselor. You can do that. Yeah, we're going to put this into office set. Put a number in there, please. I'm so sorry. What a mess. Do not do this ever again.
If you're going to change anybody, let let the mayor or anybody else know that I'm changing this. I like the deal. Yes. Why did you choose this over the other? Uh, so this is just a company we've been using for a while. Uh, it's
I mean, for the past five or six years, we've used gut deals. Um, it's just we know it and it's just so we're all on the same page. Um, when we sell these vehicles, it goes to our car account where we buy buy cars out of or lease cars out through our enterprise system. So, it all it all goes to the same
place. So, it's just easier for all of us to be on the same page. All right. So, so DPW money is going to go into account. It's depends on what you're doing with it. If if it's vehicles, the vehicles are getting paid out of our our
enterprise car account. So that money would go into that. This is different because the DPW trucks were not paid out of the enterprise. All all burrow equipment, all borrow vehicles are coming out of uh out of our enterprise account. Correct. So we need to make the separate uh fund account uh just to
differentiate the uh the police fund account for the uh food account and DPW for um we haven't done it yet. That's why this is So we have would you please designate resolution 2025 149 to be
offend to 2025127 we don't have to change the number no you want to keep the number that's that's your way go for it so this will be on consent agenda 149 so you can do a key reference why this number is off also we did a first and second so I need
a roll call for this resolution no no Yeah. First, let's first make a motion to move this resolution to our consent. I have a motion. I have a motion to move this to all consent motion. Thank you. I have a second. I'll second to move that off consent agenda. Thank you. Thank
you. Um um all in favor? I. Good. Now, that's all consent. Let's get back to the consent agenda. We can't do a stipulation. You can't do stipulation and blah blah blah in the consent agenda because it's all a packet. you all okay with it or not? If there's something
wrong with it, we have to take it out. We decided that we're going to take out 133. That's the only thing right now so far that's made a difference here. And also resolution 2025-149 that went to do consent. Now we have 127 128 129 130 131 132. We have We
have 134 135 136 137 138 139 1. You You brought the suppressor for the 8 8,900. So 140, 141, 142, 143,
144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149 will be moved to consent agent agenda 149. 150 150 is okay, right? We got that three codes. 151, 151, we got three codes, right? And award concept for
improvements for the library is okay as well. Right, guys? Good. and one by three mechanical repairs for wielding. We got the three codes just now. So you can't vote no on any of the uh resolution. No, you could you could but it's proper to be
presented as a vote. That's what I want. I would vote to that point. Okay. So just to one one thing we we are going to include the change of orders of M international cost out of their claims.
Do that at do that at the next meeting. M Then we're going to pay out of claims. Yes. I explained to you one of you have the the limit. So uh we're going to draft a resolution to
extend the limit amount for the what what number is that? Nobody knows what the 127 127 claims. Yes. in the claim. The vendor is MR 5 years went up.
So it went over the limit more than 50%. Yes. So are we going to write uh draft another resolution to give that uh extension amount that went forward? Yes, I agree with you guys. We have to we have to table this. We have to write
another when it goes over 15%. So we just remove it from the list. So we're going to remove we're going to remove what consent agenda is this. What is it? So take that claims out.
Just that one M claims got to be out because we didn't get authority here. Thank you. [Music] We made a vote for the moving to the agenda to the off agenda and after that we made a vote for the first and second
but we need a work for that 149 I just did that I didn't do this for passing 149 I got a first I need to okay so we passed Part: 2
Council, are you voting for the offense? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Council, yes. Yes. Yes. Council. Yes.
But just one comment. General alternative vendor is always good. We just have to review and you know feel comfortable about the vendor. But I say yes. Okay. Council, please make every single note. I want an
update on the changes by next week. Okay. Okay. I want it by next week. All right. Let's get back to consent agenda. Any more questions about consent agenda? We removed uh removed resolution
uh we should call it uh uh 133 is removed and also we removed 149. Anything else? Uh can I just add one more thing for that? Um I did mention about internal transfer uh from SPO to
uh to SPO from the finance meeting where I mentioned about it right. W yeah to internal. So what's the legal issue here? Are we just going to do the uh the VA's uh memo or I'm sorry what what is going on here? So uh there was a there
was a recommendation from the police department transfer one of the DPW employee to a right now that person is special just just been certified right so we're trying to move that employee from to a
special the special the special budget is where the police or us. No, no, it just the it's going to the police. Yes, it's going to the police budget. So, I was asked to see No, it's not an
agenda. I asked during the meeting, right, if we can do it with the BA's not because that requires the legal factor that we have to put it on a resolution. But we can add a resolution right now orally and then I'll draw it up and
sign. I don't know if we need a resolution. No, you have right there. You have an administrator that can move. You can do it. You can do it without the resolution. It's okay. And we'll move that. Okay, guys. But I'll get a memo from the the DA saying that I want to
transfer this to them and then I'll move the charge. Okay, good. We don't need a resolution. Anything else, guys? Good. I have a motion excluding 133, excluding 149. 1323 149.
Yeah, I know that. That's a motion. You make a motion. Pass the resolutions. Everything here in consent agenda except for 133 and and 149 149 which is already moved
and and [Music] Kier the call means that um it will be it will be for the goal not not for resolution.
Okay. Okay. Good. Good. I have a motion. I did. Good. I have a second. Thank you. Roll call. Council. Yes. Council me. Yes. Council me.
I Yes. But make sure we clear out the uh the engineering portion portion. All right. That's the first thing we're going to do tomorrow. We're all going to sit down and find out what the contract is. Actually, I will. goes to
and yes, I abstain all of the resolutions. Every one of them. So confusing. Yes. All right. Thank you very much guys for your participation. I know feels very
appreciate your support and I realize that we end up we need to change or modify any process so that we can make zero Having said that, uh a lot of late fee is really coming from utility vendor.
There are several vendor that all the time charge some one of the late feed from right express which is a gas card service is $1,700 over $1,700 for one month. That
is a waste of money, right? So Jack from the account payable office, he actually reach out the vendor and then request a wave and explain about our process because there is no way that we can actually pay within that 25 days that
they they actually set. Why not? Why can't they be be flexible to our cycle? Yeah. Well, but but here is we we request it but at the same time I like kind of have a two different claims. So
the utility claims all those that more likely charge late fee and if we actually get that to pass that claim at the work session I think it's better we actually I think the beginning of the year there are certain ones that CFO
says that we don't wait for the bill so utilities are on there utilities are paid in a timely way so but that's one I don't know why was No. So he actually will move up as long as you
explain things. Well, why can't we why do we have to explain? Why can't we just ask them to change change their uh building? They won't change for us before we pay it timely because we are allowed to make utility payments not just on claims
list. There are certain pensions and utilities. I know we have the resolution as we talked about it earlier in the year that those bills should get paid whenever they come. You just pay them. How do we avoid all these late charges? How do we avoid wasting
time and and energy from our employees to call them say, "Give us a break. Give us a break." As far as what? Sending out checks, paying bills. So there's a lot of, you know, late charges. Do do you remember at the beginning of the year you talked about certain bills that you
pay? Utilities. Yeah. Utility bills. There was five of them that had listed. We'll do it by resolution. In other words, there certain things they won't change that I'm going to hire to our cycle. So those kind of certain things
we have to call them say give us a break. They'll give you a break. Correct. There will always be on the bills list. It's called the ratification list. There will never be a check by finance that leaves this borrow as you all know about it. Never.
So even though it says but right now, let me ask you a question. There was 1,500 other claims, right? Why are we paying that? No, we don't. So we we we so we find it out. So we didn't. Okay. So we just send, you know, check without
the late fe. However, if we don't, you know, make sure that we pay in time, their time frame or you know they're going to keep us. Yeah, but they can't do that. There's certain things, right? PSG, for example, they're not going to do it for us. I'm giving you an example.
Gasoline, they will not they won't do it for us. But this is a service hold up gasoline. I I got I got I got it. But that gas told you won't change. They will not change. They will not change. So that means because we're not going to change, we're going to charge you over
what we charge or give us a call and we'll give you we'll give you we'll give you the break. Certain house would have to do that. But why can't we just provide those claim list at the work session and then let them pass? No,
because the computer system admins whatever can only generate one bill that you can do. I don't know. You're asking me. I'm telling you. You're looking to micromanage these accounts that shouldn't be micromanaged.
No, we're not mad. We're Every bill that we pay in the month, it's going to be on your bills list. No, no, no, no, sir. Sir, sir, sir. We're not backing. I think that wasn't the proper word. We're trying to figure out if there is a charge, extraordinary charge late fees,
how that's taxpayers money. We need to save it. How do we avoid doing that? There are certain things that right now we cannot avoid. And if it's a $1,500 charge, we have to call these vendors and say, "Give us a break." And you said they'll give you a break. We'll try.
If you don't, we got to change vendors. That's the problem. How do you change a vendor for a gas or whatever this one was? Wait a minute. What do you mean there's only one source for gas? Gasoline. There's only one There's only one gas source. Gasoline
using gas. What about what about the enterprise? They're offering a gas program, too. No one wants to pay. Well, we don't want to pay. What's the uh what's the term of that? 30 days. 25
days. 25. 25. That's pretty much to do is pay that bill when it comes in. It doesn't matter how many days. the bill come in. That's the problem. That's what I'm saying. We have to know when it comes in. Say it comes in on the 5th. We don't have a meeting till the 20th. You pay it on the 6th and then it goes on
the bills list at the next meeting. We separate which Thank you. Thank you. Guys, guys, I hate the fact that we're not doing what we're supposed to do right now. We're in council report. You want to talk about this? You want to talk about
this? Let's talk about it at a close session. Why would the governance committee there with the BA and the CFO? We're going to talk about it inside. Okay, let's just we're not going to do an openf face government decisioning in front of everybody here.
All right, we can't do that right now. Let's move forward. Please do your report. That's it. Thank you. But we will have another conference meeting. We're going to have a lot of meetings. Go ahead. I just want to say that the housing
volunteer fire department was a 45 year volunteer member William Benzela he passed away he had cancer who was very good volunteer fire who's a fireman in
Phoenix we lost a good person yeah we we did our what is that called and and we went to the information. Thank you very much. Me too.
Uh my report is pretty much going to be the same with the uh police department over there. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. Council Shen. Yes. Recreation department. on February 12 about the 100
kids. There was like Easter egg hunt. Uh the there was 150 kids and about 100 parents all packed in cafeteria all packed up and the kids enjoyed enjoyed
the egg. Just for your information, it was plastic eggs. and February 28 today. This morning we had 125th anniversary the time capture the burial ceremony this morning at the Lindbo school too. About 100 kids and
parents attended and it was this very memorable ceremony and the DPW uh we whenever there is heavy lane there is case reported on the Grand Avenue. So
uh we got to do something. So uh next month with I put some kind of the solution for that. Okay. And also DPW we have new vector and new sweepers and the sweepers
we are waiting for like the decoration. So it will be just several days to do that. So we can use the sweepers now. And the vector is we are waiting the documents the supported supporting documents coming in. So yes we will have
soon very new equipments. We talk about the grand avenue front the vector will be used in grand. Okay. But uh at this time we are using the rigid building department. So whenever there
is a case the reg department is catching us. Now we can use our Go ahead. The situation on Grand Avenue is beyond our equipment. So this morning we agreed to contract with Montana. They're coming in
Friday. What is our situation? Well, it's Grand Avenue. We had sewer back up. Well, they're trying to determine whether to get in there with a video camera and take the stuff out. So, we're getting a professional to check what why we're having an issue. Yeah. Plus the fact we've had significant over time.
breaks the backups coming at 3:00 in the morning. So is a very big company recommended. I've used them before. We signed a contract with them today for about $5,000 a day. Uh plus we
pay for what they take out. $5,000 for day for what we don't know what our problem are. We It's clocked. They've got a video on the line. Why do we need a professional person? Because they have the equipment. Our equipment. Oh, we don't. Our equipment. This one
doesn't. We have the old We have the old uh truck. No, we have the new one, but that doesn't It doesn't fix that. They have huge equipment for major realipes. So, they're coming in works with them. But, so we know what the problem is. Oh,
we know it's clogged badly. So, they will once they get the camera in and then they will push everything out. Whatever they take out, we pay take away $5,000 a day. Just a little bit. How long does How many days does it take
for them to We're hoping that it won't be more than two. So, this has got to be a real clear system. And Grand Avenue 800 ft. Um, so in any event, um, they will video
it. Steve will review the video and then hopefully we'll get to the bottom of it. And if you remember, Grand Avenue, we also need that letter of support from the chamber perhaps because we do have a grant application
Booker and Senator and Josh. Maybe one of them will get it from one of them because they will have we have that meeting tomorrow. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. An update from the school board. There will
be public hearing of the budget for 2025 2026 school year this coming Wednesday 6:30 p.m. at ECC. Everybody is welcome to come and provide comments. How is the contract negotiation going with the PB?
It's going and we hope to come through. Thank you. Thank you. Um I have no I have no mayor's report right now but um you have I I just have one addition to what I said before. Did you see that again? We have a tax
that was actually application was made in 2022. We received it in 2023 and sitting there last. Yes. So now that
we've preparing the design part of it, they get that. Once they get it, they review our design. If they have to suggest any changes for the most part, we have to listen because it's their money. Thank you. And then we have to
collapse and do the actual work. This is guys a big big event. $1.4 million for the beautifification of Broad Avenue. I will I will I will thank Robera for going back while she wasn't here trying
to make sure that there was any uh grants or or benefits that we applied and got lost in the cracks. I'm I'm so thankful, Roberto. You just you just brought back $1.4 million. And you know what we're going to do, guys? We're
supposed to do a um beautifification from Broad Avenue, from Central to Brickerhoff could go all the way up to probably Henry or even more. This is going to be amazing. Why? Because the people have to understand what it what could potentially look like and they want to want it. And this got to be
carefully orchestrated after they want to do it with the with the people of the owners of the businesses and also the the building owners. and we will uh try to do a sit which is going to be a special improvement district that takes about 10 years to dream about the money.
So this is going to be a very good show that we're improving and it's all free. It's not even a match. We're getting 1.4 million for free. So thank you very much for the only other item mayor. You would ask me to look sidewalk
sten because we don't have any. Very important. There are dozens of them in Leon, but we have not been able to get them up until now. Yes. Uh I did a request to the Department of Transportation. They did an investigation. They conferred that the
intersections at Alis Boulevard, Henry Street, and should have crosswalks. Beautiful. So then next I had request that a work order put in to have that work done. The one do we get authority from the county? No, it's
state the state. So state and is the state that does it for us or they'll do it for us? I had to request the work order to get the work they approved the ones that we sent to them and then I had to do a separate work order. Would the state provide the
blinking triangle pedestrian walk lights? No, we'll get them. We were talking about that's part of the broad. No, but that's part of the big grant that we got is all stabilization. But
that's only for not for Yes. So we'll have to continue. Yeah. And they're looking for that. Good. Thank you. Very good. That was very much needed. People were talking about that for god knows how long. At least six, seven years they came up. It's too dangerous. So thank
you. Yes. Hopefully, it'll get done within the next month or so. That will be great. What else? Uh just as you know, we did those resolutions tonight to get work done at the pool and unfortunately it's been many years that
any work is done there who's been down there with me. They really needed to make these improvements. I'm also going to do some down at the pool just like the
second would be nice to give a little plant before but I think it would be nice to have someone else do it more. What is the DP power spray clean brought out? Well,
Ken told me soon on the phone with him and I think it was it was starting from May. He said the end. Here we are. So, it's got to be soon. Please follow up with it. Got to be soon.
Yeah. Yeah. I want that done. It doesn't have to be continuous. No. Time do clean up on that. That's what you said. All right. Thank you. Anything else? That's it. No, that's it. Good. Uh C. Council report. Counselor. No. Um,
police report. Please come on up. You guys for a long time. I think you got some good news for us. Yeah, Mr. Mayor. Uh, good evening, everybody. Uh, we have a lot of things to discuss. I'm going to streamline it
because I know it's late. Uh, first, our crossing guard service is uh fully operational now. Uh, it appears to be working well. Uh all the crossing guards are on post and the the third party company is handling that. Uh so far everything's been going great. We're
very happy with it. Great. Uh we had a meeting with the GIF Chief Schwarz. He uh he visited our facility. He went over a lot of things with us. Uh we're happy to report that he provided us with uh positive and satisfactory feedback.
Great. Uh we hosted a coffee with a cop on April 18th. Uh from this event, we spoke with many residents. Some of them had traffic concerns and we're actively addressing those traffic concerns. Uh right now as we speak, we're we're in
the process of seeing what we can do to uh address their safety concerns. We posted these ride share tips. It's upside down. Uh obviously Palisades Park is a very uh popular uh place for people to be picked up along
Broad Avenue coming to and from the restaurants and places of businesses. So this is just a tip to alert people who are going to get in these ride shares some safety stuff. This was all Yeah, this was off a girl unfortunately he was picked up by the wrong person who
unfortunately murdered her. So, this was developed to, you know, say, "What's my name? If you don't know who I am and I booked a trip with you, I'm not getting it. Check the license plate and stuff like that." So, you'll see those those are all along Broad Avenue now for safety. Um, vehicle
lettering is in pro progress. We rebranded our image of the police car. It's it's our same patch, but it's a whole different uh design. They're being replaced on a one by one uh process. You can see the F-150 that's out there.
There's a new uh Ford Explorers out there. Uh we're rebranding the image of the police car. We think it looks great. More importantly, we've had many complaints that residents don't see us driving around. And that's because the vehicles were not lettered, many of
them. So now that they're lettered, people will know that that person traveling in that black Ford Explorer is a police officer. Uh that's happening as we speak and it's starting to gain some momentum now that they have all the templates and everything. We utilizing a
new company so they're getting them done faster. So you'll see more of those out there. Uh it's our new rebranded image of the police car. Uh our distracted Oh, I'm sorry. I told you already 16,600 we got some four from four disabled
vehicles we sold. Uh our distracted driver campaign currently is in effect. The officers are out there making our roads safer. If you haven't noticed, they are out there. They're patrolling every street. Uh this gentleman right here is officer Fernando St. Clair. Uh
we took him a month or so ago from Patterson. Uh 3:00 in the morning about 2 weeks ago. He found a guy driving around with a ski mask. Turns out that it was a stolen vehicle. He arrested him. Got the car back from the car thief. I'm sure the home the vehicle
owner was very happy about that. but they're out there doing the work. Uh I commend him [Applause] for he loves patrol work. He came to us after five years in Patterson in major
crimes and homicide one year in Demer and I talked to him and he likes Palisade Park the best. That's what he said. I agree. That was your first day after the uh FDO training, right? So he was by himself. That's that's like literally first day
by himself. So that's all our good training overall. Thank you very much. A couple other noteworthy things to uh discuss with you in terms of the proactivity of the police officers. Uh recently uh we seen uh DWI arrest. There's been
uh some more of them. The officers, like I said, they're out there checking, getting these uh drunk drivers off the roadways, making our streets safer. Our detective bureau has been pretty busy recently. Uh I think Detective Sergeant Deco is doing a tremendous job uh
leading his crew and uh you'll see we did two press releases this this month and I think you'll see more of what's been going on. They're doing a tremendous job uh with their limited capacity. doing a tremendous job and uh Sergeant Debo is doing a great job leading those men. Uh let's see our
accreditation update. Where are we? We're in the process. Captain Ratundo has decided to spearhead that. Uh it's a it's a tremendous amount of paperwork. It's a tremendous amount of paperwork to get all these best practices down. It's a tremendous amount of checks and
balances. He has weekly meetings with our contact who is uh helping us get through this. We're pacing right now to get it done this year. Uh this is this is the gold standard in law enforcement. Uh we want to adhere to this standard. We're proud to be going along with this
process. Although we know that it's uh it's it's it's a lot, but we're getting it done. It's running on schedule and we're hoping to have it done. We will have it done this year. I'm pretty certain about that. Great job. And the benefits are
betteration is better insurance premiums going down, liability, liability, but more more importantly, like our officers, everything is out in the open now. So, you're going to adhere to the policies. You're going to adhere to the procedures. Everybody's going to know what they are. We're going to make sure
we have them all that are that are best practices in law enforcement and that the officers uh listen, who who doesn't want to do a job to the best of your ability, right? You take this job, you want to do it to the best of your ability. Accreditation is a and balance
and it's also uh going to allow officers to familiarize themselves with these best practices which we believe is going to give us the highest quality officer for the residents of this town. Yes. Um for all of us. Yes. So remind you the
the Palace Park Police Department never ever got a great vacation. No. No, we didn't. But uh well never is never going to be no more soon. We will get uh and the reason I say that confidently is because I've been in on these meetings
also with uh our contact with the accreditation agency and uh I think he's pretty impressed with how far along we are and how much we have done already and he said that we are we are pacing fine and that we will get it done this
year. Uh let's see as far oh part of accreditation we needed a 20 yard long-term bulk storage. We have it at the uh the EM as we call it, the facilities building. Uh, Captain Ratando was able to secure secure us one
uh $4,000 by Mr. John Benadetto donated that to the police department. So, we thank him for that. Um, it also it helps us with our accreditation because now we can comply with that rule, that requirement that they have. We are also uh Lieutenant Chris has been on the
computer applying for a tremendous amount of money. Uh, Mrs. Stern, you know about that. You work with him often. Uh, We applied for many grants. Uh two of them that are very uh important is one's for $50,000 uh from the state uh highway safety and that's
for police overtime so that we can do more u safety initiatives as well as uh some outreach programs uh bilingual outreach programs for our residents so that we can uh come up with better plans
to make our streets safer. Uh about 50,000 in that grant. He also applied for another one for 757,000 for overtime for more uh police um vehicle enforcements. So, we're hopeful that we'll get those. Uh I do
know we were denied one that we we already denied one that we asked for. Uh but that's a normal part of the process. Uh you know, you got to cast a wide net, right? and Chris Beck, Lieutenant Chris Beck is doing a lot of that and hopefully we'll have good news for you
soon. Uh, as far as I know, Councilwoman, uh, you mind, you're going to love this one. We've been doing a deep dive into our financial expenditures and uh we have been and Sergeant Cholingo, myself,
Captain Ratundo, uh Lieutenant Beck, we have and uh Sergeant Deco, we have been finding ways to limit waste. We've also been finding ways that for some subscriptions that we had that we don't use or underutilize, and we've been cutting them. Uh we've been cutting a
lot of stuff that we don't that we don't use or underuse. uh and we should have a report to you soon to identify how much money we actually saved. But we're very conscientious of that and we're actively
doing that. As far as my other um things go for the report, I can just tell you that the officers are doing a tremendous job. Uh I'm proud to lead them here as their OIC and I'm hopeful that in the next few months you all will see the fruits of their labor and be proud of them too. Thank you. Um, just a
question. Let me go there first. Um, one of the ways you could save money is, as you guys know, not running the car for hours. We've already addressed that. Yes, sir. And the other thing, you forgot the most important part. Actually, matter of fact, the new uh management of the police department
create a schedule. Not the same type of schedule every single day, but they will visit your street every single time. Do the schedule. Not at the same time because people was going to carjack your car and or do do grand auto or rob your house. They'll they'll clock when
they're going to come on 10:00. We're not going to come at 10:00. They have different schedules. So, they'll be very confusing. But so far, the the residents are calling me saying, "Wow, I've actually seen them in my my street. I see them drive by." So, that's really wonderful. Keep that up. That schedule's
wonderful. When you get a chance, I want to see that schedule. It's going to be amazing. But I already got good reviews. The other thing is you guys also doing another grant for LED stop signs. That's part of that safety initiative,000. And we're working with blending.
So Lieutenant Beck is producing some of the narrative and helping to support those. Good. Good. We also we also have police officer Bob Lee helping. He's very talented, bright guy. Uh he's very good with paperwork and uh technical
thinking and been assisting assisting lieutenant back with a lot of that grant, right? Excellent. Tremendous asset to us. You fa to mention that update of your facility that painting and with our tax. It's really nice guys. They're using
their downtime, you know, that you know that they could use for vacation, for taking off. They're actually using coming back in painting, fixing things for us. It's amazing. It's amazing. Without taxpayers, without the experience. Yeah. So, uh, Councilman Kim came on a tour today. I know most of you
all have visited the police department. You will find in the Pal State Park Police Department a very clean work environment. Uh, it's freshly painted. Uh, we've changed there's many creative ways to to find things uh at at little to no expense. Uh, I I'm happy to report
that many things that we uh have in our facility, the officers actually paid for out of their own money. uh they came together. Uh that to me shows that they they have a sense of pride and that they want to move this department forward and they want to uh listen everybody this
like you know be the change that you always wanted and I think that's what's happening. Uh they're starting to see that uh they can be a part of that process and we're happy to have them uh move this department forward. You should come in. It's beautiful in there and if you guys want to go there right now, they'll show you. But it's really good.
What else they did was they went to eBay or they went to uh Amazon and they got everything for free. You know those free places, please take it away. So we got seven or eight workstation uh tables and stuff like that. And all they did is pay
for to rent the car or truck to bring it back. Seven, eight work spots, right, Sophia? You have a nice workstation, right? Yeah, we were very generous. We shared nice under 200 bucks. And even these nice chairs, they're all free. They went there. Let me pick it up. They
brought it in. These chairs are paid by the the office. No, but there wasn't there chairs like that. No, we got so many chairs from this one place. I gave them to us all for free. We rented a big truck and uh you know, we can't we we can't have that many desks. But when they were giving them, we knew that the
the burrow could use them also. So, the officers, you know, picked them up, carried them in, and uh every we saw lots of smiles when people got new desks and updated our facility. And I can't believe it or not, the police officers officers were very happy to do
it. It was it was a great It was a great experience. The morale was up. It was a great experience to be a part of. Thank you, Jimmy. You, too. Good job. The revenue went up. Oh, yeah. The revenue, you forgot to tell about the revenue. This is good, too. Our revenue for tickets and meters went down. Now, I
heard that it's picking up compared to last year. Yes. Police department. Uh, is generating uh more revenue compared to last year. That's why we're in the deep pole last year, guys. Thank you very much. You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Thank you.
That is the gold in the rainbow after three and a half hours. Um please public participation give us mercy. I have a motion to close and open to the public. I make a motion, sir. Thank you. May I have a second? All
in favor? Hi. Please give us mercy. Please be Please, please. [Music] Yes. Even though we spend three hours, I like it. I like it. I love it because you
guys take the time. to just how God show me you guys are working. That is amazing. Um charging. Thank you for find that and all this paper and make sure
that they put the dot in there instead of the point. It was amazing. I love it. Excellent. I love it. I love it how you not just say yes. I love it how you go in detail. I love it. I'm sitting
here and I'm watching Even you say even the maker say you should not say that in public. I love it. You know why? Because you checking you're taking your side at your house checking for those um you know pay that we doing that is not necessary. It
cannot stop me. I don't know how long we've been doing that paying for pain overpay that should be seted out and we should not spend that money in that. I love it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. And Sophia, you're doing the job. You're
doing it. You're sitting there quiet. And for those hands, I would love to see you Wednesday and the meeting for the board education because it's getting very hard, very difficult for the meeting that we're going through for the
um contract for the teacher. So I think you you know you're going to be there and thank you for you know for us about everything and the police department. Well, I hear a lot of good thing and you know I'm watching so I want to
check it. I love it. And watch out. My daughter's already driving so we remember you going to the county crying your heart out saying please help us. Please help Palace Park. Even up to there you went out for help. I'm so happy. I'm getting chills right now.
You're You're a different lady. Well, you're complimenting us. I'm not different. I just see what I mean for sitting here and see going through this and not just approval money that we could save. It seems like you're you're also getting what you want and what we
pay Roy to do the job. You want you're checking. You tell him, "No, this is not we want this. This is what we here. That's what we vote for you guys. We vote for you guys to If I go on the office and check, I will do it. But I I'm not sitting there. So, we pick you guys before we trust you
guys. So, you have to check our money to make it. Yeah. But we shouldn't be doing this. We're paying other people to do this job, too. That's why we have a problem. But thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Please. Anybody else? Oh, I love you so
much. I'll be the last one. Really? Yeah. Um there was something mentioned about um how much um additional dollars we have to pay because of increases in insurance cost and all that. Okay. So my
question to that is with all these new buildings that are going up, how much are we going to earns to help pay for that so the taxes don't go up as high as they're going to go up? Well, we we can look. I mean, I'll have
to talk to finance and we got to look at the there's a lot of different components that go into Is it proper question? Well, the question is fine. It's just I we're trying to figure out how to answer that in a way that's meaningful. Maybe this might answer it. What it is, let's
just see if there's some kind of What kind of development are you talking about? What was that? What kind of development? Duplexes. I don't know. I don't know what he's talking about. Yeah, that's that's part of it. Talking about which one?
Duplexes. Yeah, duplexes is pretty okay. We're talking about big apartments um because of affordable housing that we have to comply to. Now if there is going to be an agreement that's going to be done um to settle because we have to we
have to and hire to the law right before this happens we have a a person a private uh specialty that punch in all the calculations of what our return will be coming in remember we did that before so that will come about they'll say this
is not feasible we're losing money that always comes out all right maybe I should wait for another month but I was going to bring our sub police department. That never happened. Scott, did you talk to them?
When does it expire? Did you ask them to expire? Yeah. We're talking about two months. I know. We're working on that. Last night, I have a wonderful neighbor. His name is Nelson. He's a special policeman. He's
going to retire. You're happy. He's Well, he has a record of having the most amount, giving out the most amount of tickets. I think one month was like 720.
And who was going to replace him? That someone I would like to uh congratulate him. Congratulations and when the time comes to he does retire. I think it's in June sometime. He's still in the part time. What's that? He's still running
the part time. Yeah. Down the road. But still. Yeah. It's still six months more or something. something like that. That's it. Thank you very much. Anybody else? Good. Now have a motion to close and go back to our regular session. We have a motion. Motion one and two. One
and a motion to close the regular meeting. One and two. Thank you very much. Skyward.