Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to call the meeting to order. This is a board session 6 p.m. March 17, 206. The mayor council notice was given as follows. Notice was posted was filed January New York 2026 with the
record of New York legend official news of the world. is posted on the board um at the borough hall and the bor website. Copy is preserved in the cliff's office. Pledge of allegiance in a moment of silence brought to you by
our deputy mayor Charlie Shin to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.
Roll call poll, please. Mayor >> here. >> Council >> here. >> Council. >> Yes. >> Council here. Tony >> here. >> Right. Before we begin, um, first of
all, attorney District, could you, uh, get our police officers to be here? I hope. Everybody Okay. >> Thank you.
>> Great. Um, real quick VA, before we continue, I would like to modify our agenda. First, I'd like to take on 26-115 authorizing the survey of municipal property to off consent agenda. Um,
I have a motion. >> Thank you. I have a second. >> All in favor? I >> I actually Going to roll. >> First and second. Yes.
>> Council. >> Yes. >> Councelor Shim. >> Council. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Another thing that I would like to do is remove resolution 2026-100. Um after my review, it seems that it's
complete as well as council Charlie Shin wanted to uh make sure that we uh you know make sure that what we're trying to get concerning this resolution is correct. We had this conversation Council Shin, right? So, let's take this out. If
you need, we'll review it and get back to drawing one with our moral attorney. Okay. >> What's the number? >> Uh, resolution 126-100 adopting anti-demnism policy. Um, >> will this be removed? >> Yeah, it will be removed. It's it's it's
still not ready. >> I have a question. So we will be working on this >> for next meeting or >> No, I'm just sticking it up. >> This actually
>> No, I can't draft it like that. It's not attorney. >> I told you Alan. >> Yeah, but but there seems to be a little bit of a need to work on that. So I think took it out. Yeah, it's really uh incomplete. I read
it. I read it over. It's incomplete. So, good. >> All right. Um and I think that's about it. Consider the modifications. Let's go to our adoption of bills. >> Council February 7, 2026.
February 17, 2026. Regular meeting of the council February 24, 2026. Great. Uh, council members, this is the work session. I want to review the adoption of minutes, make sure everything's okay. People do make mistakes. This is our opportunity to fix
it. Any questions concerning adoption minutes right now? And any questions, go send it over to the email to the B clerk, Roberto. All right, there's no more comments with the adoption. Let's move forward with the second reading of our ordinance.
>> Second reading of ordinance number 2026. authorizing the sale of block number 734 block number one on the current taxable fund in the county of the program and not needed for public use. >> Yes,
this is our second reading. We did have pretty enough time to talk about this on our last month meeting, but council members, this is still our second reading. So, this is your time to ask questions, concerns. All right. If there's no more uh
questions about this, let's move forward. >> Well, you know what? What did Allan do? Did Allan make me go open to the public even though it's even though it's a work session? >> But I don't think that's >> What do you think? >> I still kind of remember Alan asking,
you know, why don't we still give it to the public just to be sure, >> but um what it's not called for except for All right. All right. Let's move forward then if that's if that if that's what stands. Any questions about our
ordinance 2026- 3 our second move. All right. If there's nobody, let's move forward to next to our ordinance 26-4. Second reading of ordinance 2026 H4
amending chapter 153 garbage rubbish and the reviews of the code of the borable police. >> Yes, just um council members please this is also our second meeting. Um of course just to remind you that all the um underlining sentences are the ones that
are new and edited. So focus on that. Um any questions about garbage rubbish refuse? This all started with uh Charlie suggestion. We have to control this and I agree. I think we all agree. Any questions about this?
>> All right. Then let's move forward to our off uh let's go to our off consent 2026-115. Agenda resolution 265 author authoriz >> Roberto would you do the honors
explaining this? >> Yes, Mayor. Um, as part of the process of selling that, which is a piece of property, we needed to have a survey of the property which had never been done. And Congress
had been on this or I thought they were but they just today gave me the proposal for it and I knew it was about $10,000 because I had pricing it in general even though I didn't have to check on them but I did
ask a number of others and 10,000 seems to be the price that most people told me it would be >> but in any in any event I'd like to vote on this approve it because it needs to get done before we have the >> um counselor It's not general. It's it's
not custom to make decisions on our work session, but because this is the time of the essence, we have to uh because the colors were running late, I would like to ask the governing body um to make a motion to pass this so we can move forward and selling to a Belleview
place. >> No, >> I mean I'm sorry. >> Block 734 one. >> Yeah. Block what is it? Block 74 734 lot one. They have a motion. Review it first, but let's review this first.
>> My question was >> does the land survey the lack there by any chance the um the valuation assessment on it? Would you you knowing the full you know the appraisal has been
done for the property and that's what our auction is based on the appraisal by the certified appraiser >> and uh this is just an additional step and there will be one more step that does cost about $5,000 but I haven't
gotten that taken care of yet and that will be to finalize the title >> final this is a minuscule change but I would like to add in the price of their cost 10750 to the resolution 126-115
please 115 >> right >> on the resolution I would like to say that there'll be a charge of $10,750 on the resolution >> it happens all right >> yeah it should be in the resolution
change so it's okay >> guess it wasn't one version that I did Yeah, that's what it should be. >> Okay. >> Question. Go ahead. >> Isn't this supposed to be come up prior
to our ordinance to sell the property? >> Why don't you waste it? >> Everything done based on the appraisal. to complete the sale. I want the survey and that's why I ordered them to do a survey. But they were working. >> Well, the survey
>> survey is required. >> Survey is required. >> Well, I want the survey. >> No, what I'm saying is we already introduced to sell the property, right? >> Yes. >> Isn't this a ser is isn't this service supposed to be done already before we introduce the hornness? >> No, not necessarily. Service is a
service. >> Well, let me tell you what. >> Okay. I know. But what I'm saying is >> I had requested this from the engineer over a month ago >> and I got the proposal today. I thought it was done right
>> until I had questioned. Do you have the survey then I got the answer with the proposal? So there was a little dis. >> It's very valid. It's fairly valid that council masking this question because he doesn't know as as well. He doesn't know the background. Sorry. Councilman, what
happened was because this is such an old old property before anything we had to find the title search and when we started doing the title search um deeds there were none and so it took a long time before anything the survey we need to do that first and uh you know she has
some connections with the county called Steve Chung and uh John Morgan and they were very lucky to find >> the map >> like like 100 year old film film of the map >> 1906 >> 1906 so We had to have that in order to
go through this uh uh whatchamacall this this this um survey. But the survey was late. Don't get me wrong. We you asked, but then they responded later. But before anything, we had to get that survey. And I I was very happy that she found it.
>> So we don't have I mean we didn't have any records of the deed of the property. >> We had a very what kind of record? It's like we that was we found out that that the property was ours because there was no purchase sale uh records but we still
had to in the back way find out is still ours. We need proof. That's what was required. >> In in the document we got from the county it shows when the borrow >> but if you if you recall this was already pointed as the uh uh um part of
the master plan of 2026 I mean 2025. is in the packet. >> No, we didn't talk about master plan. >> No, no, no. They point this as our property. >> Don't go don't go don't go like that. So we point this property in the master plan saying that it is our property of
the boro but it's excluded from the uh developable uh developable uh land >> it is excluded right >> I don't talk about I didn't talk about >> master who's the planner who I depended on for this didn't say anything to me about
this is excluded from anything I just know that it's public property that's how the whole thing started it's public property with no public use. So that's why a decision was made to try and sell it, develop it so the rest of that street gets finished because that street
ends on the other side and >> so so on. So okay, I want to leave this in the record. So you are saying this property is not in the master plan the recent master plan. >> I'm not saying anything about >> we didn't talk. No, no, no. What I'm
saying is when we point this property as our borrow property, right? >> Yeah. It's not the tax record. I know. But don't we supposed to have all the record like titles and deeds and everything even before we pointed at
>> But I don't understand why because we got it. We have it. >> But I I got you. But no, no. I want to see what the point of council you know, council man may have a good point, but We have >> talking about the master plan. This has
>> we never talked about the master plan. >> No, no, no, no, no. If if this is if this property is position of ours, right? >> And we supposed to have all the records. >> We have the records. >> No, now we have it. >> Oh, no. But she just told you you're you
understand. She said that we found the tax records. That is a first step of saying this is our product. We have to prove it. We prove it to over 100 years later. And then we went to the We couldn't find the title. We went to title search and the title company. It didn't work. We She was smart enough to
call the county because they have the most oldest records from 1900s, 1800s. And then we found the title and that's where we are. We don't have a problem with the title or the deed, sir. Okay. Go ahead. >> So, uh the result of this survey
supposed to show complete the proof of this land belongs to us. >> No, the survey shows you the the meets and the bounds. There's a description of the But they have to go out and they put it so many feet and so many inches from
this water and so many feet and so many have survey survey. The deed doesn't really show exact land, right? >> No. D tells you exactly 444.24 northwest.
Now, you need a survey to say, "Okay, let's draw it out." You know, when you buy a property, they usually before they build, redevelop your property, they put a stake. That's part of the survey. So, you need that to definitely identify the balance. >> So, survey without a survey, we cannot
sell this property. We can't sell it. got a survey. I want to survey this. >> If if the person who purchases this says, "I'm buying it subject to having a survey." Okay, here's your survey. If they don't ask for the survey, if they
don't ask, it's on the buyer. >> Legally, you don't need it. But what dumb buyer would say? >> Yeah, I got you. I got you. But but you know, you usually when you buy a property, you see where's the survey? >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Okay. I think this could be the answer.
the company. Okay. Uh actually in master plan there is no this property was not show up there. I didn't see a master plan on this >> right master plan when we discussed about all the town properties for the possibility of the like the list of house
>> that's not a master plan that's the list >> that time this property was not there and this after that it was it came up >> okay this >> this okay council shin I'll tell you exactly how this property came out I
asked and copper our planner to give me all the available will see these uh properties in Palace Park but when I saw that there's a lot of properties that we have but majority of them were not feasible to to >> so this was not in the the plan
>> no sorry >> yeah because because the affordable plan what would affordable plan what could we build with close to maybe like what is it 14 14,000 square feet and amongst the residential areas we don't want to harm the residential areas putting
requirements. Go ahead. Let's go ahead. >> Okay. Master plan does mention this this property at the end of the exhibit, you know, exist whatever and it does say this is excluded because that's what I'm saying.
>> So that's what is specified in the master plan, >> right? That's what I'm saying. So it was not in the in the plan. >> No, it was it's well it is our property. So, we included in the mass plan and
master plan says it is excluded from the uh >> guys. Guys, it seems like you guys kept your information to yourselves. >> No, we're not. Everybody has the master plan. >> I don't have the master plan. >> You ready? You ready? I mean, just call Cocker, make sure I don't understand what you're trying to
do right now, but right now that is a land that maybe 20 years ago or something like that was bad, but right now it's definitely a land that you can develop into a nice residential area, right? >> And quite frankly, if it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell. It's that simple. It's
very developable property. That's what the phrase was built. And and quite frankly, as I mentioned at one of the other meetings, I had was something who wasn't affordable and when they saw it they said thank you we're not interested just to see if we could put even a few
senior you know anything that would be included in 100% affordable to give us extra credit what does this you give us some good information about a tax
>> so we actually have the actual tax district number 45 which is the tax duplicate clearly is stating it's block 734 mark one it is the borrow bubble parks property you have every right to sell it thank you very much
>> I just pulled a duplicate from 19 but I could pull every single one that's going to be listed >> and that's how we started thank you very much any more questions before uh because of the time of the essence u and the recommendation from the burough attorney and the burough administrator that we should get this going because we
have a due If we vote on this uh we have a data trying to put into our public auction. It's a land that we discussed about reason why we had to do it. I explained Can you all spend it? Roberto, would you explain why we decided to sell this land?
>> Yes. So when when we were looking at the properties that were um listed on the tax map as property, a lot of them are small pieces of property that might be
something that the next property owner might want someday, but they're no use to us >> because they're not big enough to do anything. This particular piece was large enough to do something. And as I said, when I drove on the street, there
was an elderly woman at the end at number seven. There a few times when I realiz >> that was it. >> I left this whole thing started. We were looking for valuable uh available land
to do builder revenue issues. Remember guys, >> our goal is to reduce uh the the influx of additional uh residencies um in the future. We had a problem with the third round. We had no
responsibility of of that situation, but we took the responsibility of fixing through the ground because of former uh in the past it didn't they didn't take care of remedy issues where we're looking Cocker and Cocker showed that property and then we start to take a
look at that and that place is uh is actually uh kind of like you're right it's a little bit wet but the thing is if you actually develop >> has a stream in the back >> yeah it does I saw I saw that too but then if you actually create it's a perfect complete scent of a residential
neighborhood it's it's damp it's dark it's dangerous kid you know like no one maintains it there's no value for it it's been like that for for since 1899 and what you call it. Um those kind of things will definitely make the envir uh the neighborhood
better and also if you actually build residential homes there, residential homes there, it will definitely reduce the flooding because it increases the capacity to take in water. Right now it's just you know river stream and it doesn't look good. is dangerous and also
we could also do tax related something that we encourage because we always need tax income um from other resources instead of the current residents that could definitely alleviate some portion of it. So it's a win-win situation. So
um without further ado, I'm I'm I'm asking the council members to make a motion to pass this for because we need the survey again. We need the survey. So now have a motion to pass the survey. Oh, right now. Can we do it faster
because we're running out of time? Roberto, when is our When do you want to open up the public bid? >> The public bid auction is the 26, two days after our next meeting. It's a week from this Thursday. >> Yeah, that's why she's saying, "Let's
get this thing going. We can, you know, let's get the survey done." We still need a survey, guys. We're not making decisions right now, but we still need a survey for that property. Right. >> If we go to the public auction and if we have somebody who bids on it and we accept the bid, it is subject to all
those things. Any other property that's trans? That's it. >> Is that I have a question. Is that the only reason why we're selling this property? >> Um I exactly what I said. Do you want to see something else before we make this motion? Because I just put a motion on the table.
First, do I have a second? First, do I have a second? Council members, >> thank you very much. Roll call. >> And Chris, >> yes. >> And then council, >> yes. >> Council me,
>> no. >> Council Shen, >> yes. >> Council, no. So three yes and two no and the one absent. So this res >> is there a reason why you the two council members did not want to pass
this is you clearly stated last month about this selling property to cover 775 deficit that we're in now. Do we have a solution internally? >> I don't know. Do you have a solution,
sir? >> No, I'm asking. >> It seems like you think I think you create problems and you say blame it on everybody else. By the way, >> let me tell you on record I'll tell you on record. >> Okay, I'll tell you. I've been just
stop. >> Yeah, there's there's a Robert's rule. Follow the Robert's rule. Okay. >> Yeah. Robin rule. You should read it cuz you No, you're not cuz you're all over the place. See, right now you're not even letting me speak. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Right now we
are by fact we're in a situation you're talking about emergency appropriation that hasn't passed in January. I mean fe December and January. >> It's a fact. It's a known fact that because that there are two council members here that didn't pass that
appropriation that we are in debt for 2026. That's right. Please. Now you're going over Robert's room. You got to let me finish. Please. Okay. You could say that's not true later. I have records right now in my office. I could make tons of copies over there on December
and January. Roberto could testify and even the burough clerk who is who is the record keeper will know what votes the two council members specifically the two people who are arguing right now saying that. So there's something wrong. All right. You okay? See see you don't let
me finish and I'll give you all the time. I won't say anything. Okay. Let's just do this part. It was it was on record on December that after many hours of explanation why we have to get this passed and even we understand that two
council members council one unit and council men saying that you know what I don't know I don't know what happened no one told me about this um I so for that reason I'm I'm not going to pass it and I we all tried our best and professionals who are saying please pass
this because this will create a debt for 2026 why don't you pass it first because we all agreed to pay for it. Now, by the way, I do not have the authority on the weak mayor versus the strong council. I wish I had the authority, but I don't.
But because it created a four, you required a four majority of the votes, you council men and council and Mike Gitri once said no and that you guys didn't pass, so we didn't have enough.
So, we had to go again on January. And then when January came in December, you said abstainate. You both said abstain after in our long lengthy professional saying please pass this. We understand whatever the reason is whatever the
problem is we pay for this. The council members approved it. I do not approve anything. I do not approve the spendings. I do not approve these these claims. I wish I could but this is not a formal government like that. So we couldn't pass it. He tried it again with
the two council members, Chris Quac and Frank Danghue. I thought by the recommendations from the Roy CFO and also the attorney and we're professionals that we could get that passed with DCA. I was hoping that we have to get that passed so we could less
burden our our residents for 2026. We were told that this we don't pass it because you guys approved to pass it. Now you guys saying we don't want to pass it. That will create a lot of of that will reduce the capacity of the services for the public service that we have to provide for 2026. We also have
to maybe have to consider cutting our employees. It was such a big monumental thing. There's no one to blame. What I'm trying to say is the process is I don't approve expenditures. There's three ways the the town the municipalities use the
expenditures. First is lawsuits. There's nothing we could do with the lawsuits. Someone sue us. We don't need permissions from the mayor. We don't need permission from the BA. We don't need permission from the government body. We go automatically defending our entity, our burough entity. We have 2728
lawsuits from especially from our former uh uh employees. All right? And that was a lot of bulk of the cost. All right? And that's one thing that we have no control of. Second thing is settlements from the lawsuits. We have our close sessions. You were all invited. We all
we all righteously and properly decide are we going to settle or not. You guys are all included on that. You know about that. And every single month there's a claim that comes out every single month and you approve the claims. It's not me.
So I asked at that moment please pass this so don't we don't hurt the people. And yet the two council members Krishu Wun and N you said because we don't like the process because we didn't know we're not gonna pass it. It's recorded. So I'm
asking you guys right now concerning the 775 right now. I'm going to go back to our talk and I'll let you guys talk. You said are you what are you going to do about it? What are you going to do? Do you have some solutions? So I'm asking you guys it's not always about the
burrow. If you guys if you guys denied it and we're in a situation, I expected you two to figure something out. But it seems like in my point of view that your reasoning for not getting that approved was improper. Absent. When you
abstain, council members, you are not conducting your full responsibility as council members. You guys here are voted by the people and for the people to make sometimes difficult decisions. It was prudent. All the professionals, the attorneys, the CFO, the auditor came to
convince the two council members, please pay for this. You're going to hurt the people. You're going to hurt our businesses, our our our public services. Please do it >> at the last moment. Right? >> This again was explained by see how he just pop out. But it's okay. It's okay.
Let me explain that. At at the end of the year, if you recall, Roy explained to majority of them and And people ought to still remember that this is the time to do emergency appropriations. It's not the end of the moment. You can't do emergency appropriations until you find
out that we need it. So I'm asking you guys don't don't say no or abstain and say what are you going to do about it? I'm done. Go ahead. >> So can you can you tell us three reason why I got DCA denied?
>> Can you explain? >> Okay. First reason you're asking me. So You going to allow me to answer? >> Yeah. >> Okay. The first reason is because council member Suck and and Ed Christie denied it. Abstain even though we begged for it. We said please don't abstain.
You got to get that pass. Don't hurt the people. You both said the proper procedure is more important than for not hurting the people which didn't make sense. You could have fixed the problem after cuz we paid for it. You guys approved it, not me. So that's one. And the second thing, okay, you're not
making me finish right now. Second one. Right. Second one is this right? Second time around I've been told advised by our attorney and also our CFO saying that yes you know what the time of the moment that whoever decides on the
emergency appropriation is whoever swore sworn in. I said verify they both verified. So that's when I said you know what let's swear in the two council members Frank Donahghue and Chris Qua because they're more reasonable. They understand what how important this is.
Said and and then I tried my best. I tried my best and yet on the second time around instead of abstaining two council members again Christian and Suk said no and I have I still have no idea why you guys said no and it's still hurting the
people and you come to me and say what are you going to do about it? What are you going to do with this $775,000 expenditure? I don't understand this. Why can't we figure things out together? Why do we have to fight like this? Go ahead. That's that was your question. >> You're still missing a couple. I said three.
>> That's all I know for two. Why don't you explain? Because it seems like stating saying >> I'm sorry. >> PCA stating Senate meeting was >> improper. >> Newly sworn in council member cannot
vote on >> that was the second reason I said. Yeah. >> Right. The first >> I only know two. I only know two. >> Right. The first right the first one is when you said abstain December. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> No. You need four votes. You need four votes. >> Yeah. We didn't get four votes.
>> So why did you send the first DCA? >> No, we didn't. We didn't pass it. Uh Sophia, do me a favor. Go outside. It's going to be all night. But do me a favor. I want to get this once and for all. Go there and take out December's uh resolution on on the emergency appropriation, please. And get copies.
Get copies for everybody. happy to have that three vote and send it to send it to DCA knowing the fact that this is passed, but they it's not. Can I just >> No, no, no. You're almost done. But I told you this right now. This recorded. >> Yeah,
>> it's recorded and it's recorded on the voice. So, I don't know why you're making things up right now, but >> making things up. >> The fact is is the fact is that we did not pass the second time around because we did pass it, but they were wrong. Whoever the professional is wrong, they
were wrong. So there is okay. So there's first one, you guys said abstain, so we couldn't pass it. Second one, it was passed because the the professionals thoughts it was okay to do that. And then the DCA sent us a letter saying that yo guys, the new council members,
even though it doesn't matter when you when you swear them in, it's the old council members and we can't accept it. Yes, I told you. >> But that was the second one. The second When we passed it that night and both the attorney and the CFO said it was
okay. We had three affirmative votes. >> It wasn't enough. >> You needed four votes. That was the in between. That was three stages. So first meeting >> very clear >> still needs fourfold. >> Okay. You're you're you're next. You're next. Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> So second reason Senator meeting fell, right? And what what the DCA DCA said? >> No. No. I want to hear from you. The DC I what I recall is that DCA said this is improper. >> The DCA letter that I gave to Mr. Mint
because he asked for a copy which I provided with. >> Well, but why are we talking about this? The point is this guys >> that the whole thing is $775,000 is not because I made a decision. It's because we you guys voted on it.
>> It was passed. Everybody knew that we're spending so much money on legal fees. you especially when the finance committee Christine Wanun and and some you guys were in the main of it. So let's not blame anybody who's faulted this. My point is this. Why couldn't we
pass this? We're still daunted. What our budget is hurt right now. >> Go ahead. Go ahead. I don't think we can spend more money. >> No, I know more than I gota. Okay, let's go. My point is, okay, let me tell you one thing. Okay, I I have my time to I
have the my >> Okay, we are talking about the procedures whether it is passive or not. But the fact is the truth is why we why did we get that the deficit? Okay, the $775,000.
Okay, that's the negligence of the finance and management. Okay, so who is responsible that the negligence of the finance? Let me tell you. Okay, don't interrupt me. Okay, the first of the $775,000. Okay, there was a legal piece over
expenditure, right? Also, there is over expenditure of the garbage collection here, right? Let me tell you what you got to tell. >> Also, there was overuse of the >> I get it. I get it. I
>> s I'm going to try to make you not get into trouble. >> Everybody knows that we don't discuss personnel in the session. >> We could do a close session. No, I'm not talking about personality. >> He just he just I just blame somebody. >> No, I'm not blaming. Okay.
>> He just said financial department. So please >> No, I'm not talking about finance department. >> You just said that. >> No, I said it's not finance management. I told you. Okay. Finance management. It's not finance. I never mention
>> Did you say that? Did I say any financial? No. No. No. No. What did you say? >> Financial management. Okay. >> Finance management. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Go ahead. >> Negligence of finance and management. >> Who's finest manager? Who's in charge of finance management? >> No, I don't want to talk. Okay. >> Yeah. You can't talk to the
>> So let's say like the regal piece last October. >> Keep it there. >> When we increase when we increase the ceiling of the all the professional service, okay, it was much more than our budget. So it
was very very clear and absolutely clear that we pay more than budget for the piece. >> Yes. >> Okay. So everybody in this room not ordinance everybody in the mayor and councilman and the CFO everybody should
know that our expenditure of the regal should be more than the budget. Okay. Second the garbage collection garbage collection our our contract is garbage
company with more than 2.1 million and as of November >> was 1.85 As of November we 1.9 million okay the budget was 1.9 million so very automatically
with the December it should be much more than budget so there should be definitely over expenditure >> and also the third one the tax the settlement payment we got we all agreed
>> tax appeal >> yes tax okay We passed the tax office in executive session. We recent all the details, right? And we passed that. So we should everybody knows that the
>> should be more than the budget. Yes. And more than income. So definitely there should be the deficit. >> So everybody are responsible. Why? We should know that. Okay. It's it's common sense.
So let's say okay since everybody are responsible for that over expenditure we have to discuss how to sell or how to go over this that is problem that's what we discussed okay you didn't know you
didn't know what is what got you from the DCA that's not the problem okay the problem is we used much more than our budget where the budget said okay we used much more than the budget So at this time we have to discuss about how
we can get more money save where and use the rest so we can we can find out that's what that's what we have just go ahead >> I'll just briefly just for the community
to know where we are currently and what we are trying to do even now in today's meeting is to assess these problems, right? Regardless of votes, regardless of situation, this is where we are. And
when we had garbage situations with over tunding going over the line in terms of the weight due to the fact that our residents were also abusing in sort some sort of way uh our garbage and recycling services. These ordinances that you can see here
in 2026-4 are ways for us to mitigate those problems for the future. I want you all communitywise to know that we are taking proper action regardless of situation to amend so that the community and the municipality remains a whole.
So regardless of all of this waffle we are here now we are looking for solutions. This is the pro these are the approaches that we are taking and it's a defunct property that we're looking at right now in terms of it's no it has no use nobody is looking at it we are
looking at that in a way to not alleviate for the tax problem I mean for our budget but in a way to add to the tax municipality we will increase our tax tax ro income coming in from the municipalities by doing this which will
also in turn allow us to provide better services So I hope you guys understand that. I just wanted to make that clear that >> whatever efforts we are making. It's so that we can provide better services to
you as well as work towards the future of what Alice Park is coming to due to the fact that we have so much more mandate affordable housing development things that are required with our one solution or two solutions that you can see here in front of you that our
government here is working towards providing a solution for you rather than pulling from your pockets which was an option on the table. >> We could have fired or lost people. We could have increased tax rates at X amount so that the municipality could be
whole. Mayor and I and everybody else here on this board doesn't want to don't want to do that. We are working on options to mitigate that for the future. Just so you know, these ordinances and these resolutions are in order to make sure that you as a
taxpayer are not hurt. It's our responsibility. Like I told you in January, it is my honor and privilege to work on this and the and the responsibility is ours, not yours. >> Thank you. Well, we're going to I'm I'm I'm done now. I think we spend more than
enough time on our consent off consent that's been passed already. We're going right now talking about something else. Let's move forward with Burough Clerk with our consent agenda. Consider resolution 2026 98 through
resolution 202614 exception of the resolution 202600. >> So uh Roy our CFO our wonderful CFO if you can just help expl explain the uh 2026-98. The only reason being is that I do see for our monthly expenditures or
monthly things it's a little bit higher due to you know 16 million but I'm sure you can clarify for us what the situation from that from the capital fund then >> so the reason you'll see it a little bit higher is we did our note sale and what the notes are is these are ordinances
that are approved by uh twothirds the vote. So everyone agrees to fix the roads uh fix the building whatever it may be. Uh so the first time if you would just have indulgence this is an operational uh aspect and this is how
you run the municipality. Forget the budget forget about everything else. So once the uh ordinances are approved by twothirds vote uh it takes about two to three years and then we borrow money. We never borrow money unless we have to
because you pay interest on that. So that $8 million that came due is the notes for the last two or three years that we renewed and we will do permanent financing where we will do a bond sale uh very shortly. So this capital fund is
old loans and you want to check the union. >> We're basically renewing them for >> new lower rate. >> Right. >> That's the only one. >> And that's why you see $8 million instead of only six. >> Right. Right. >> Can I stop you for uh one other thing I
have to add to the agenda? I'm out of order, but can I bring something up right now? >> Uh it's for the meeting. Uh I have to do a resolution. We weren't prepared tonight. usually comes to you before. >> It's a appropriate it's a transfer from
last year's budget where we did have some money and we want to cover because now all the bills are in. And that's why literally we had bills last week. I had the auditor review them also. So tomorrow through you I will have
everyone on the deis have a copy of those transfers that I would like on for the next Roberto get on top of that >> but I want to be transparent because we're not ready to Yeah, I got you. I got you. We're talking about the Anyways, we'll talk about it later. All
right now it's not okay. I set your attention but we we'll talk in our in close. >> I can I have this question? >> No, you cannot. You're out of order. You have to talk to me. You have to talk to me. You have to talk to me. Please explain the rules of rule. Rob rules of
order. Please. It's just so >> Don't get mad. Don't get mad. >> I'm not getting mad, but please I You guys been here almost 3 years. Why you guys always go out of line? >> I mean, before he disappear, I have a question. >> But we're going to we're ending for a private session. He will he'll be back to talk to
>> Robert do right now, >> right? But we can't speak at order when when there may qualify for >> you talk to me and then I'll talk to the Roy. Okay, that's how it works. I understand that this is uh frustrating for council, but someone's have to keep
this in order. Okay, so please um what would you want to ask me right now? >> No, no, please look at me and ask what was what is >> I don't want to look at you. Okay. >> Why are you getting angry at me? Why are you getting angry at me? Because all I want is >> Yeah, but you're going. Could you explain what the wrong rules are in this
kind of situation? A council member, right? >> Ask please. >> Whether I look at you or not, come on. >> Well, can this is not respect about councils, guys. Let's just try to be in order. That's all I want. So, please explain the order. my my you know I
raised my my hands and patiently waiting for my turn and you just dismissed me just before. >> So how can I respect you? >> Look, you have to keep your hand raised. The mayor will do his best to call on you. >> Was it correct for the council member to
go directly? >> You cannot speak >> to an employee. No, >> I I I am like, you know, the person who makes sure that we're in order and he's making sure that I'm doing the right job. You have to come to me and g mayor, I have a question for Roy. And I go, "Hey, Roy, could you come back up
again?" So, we start over again. Let's not get too angry. All right. So, so Roy, could you come please stand back up? >> So, this note that $8 million >> I mean, exactly what we What what do we have to have this money now? I mean pay
this one for now and you know when when I look at it there is like some notes is like uh 2020 uh 2027 for the next year as well resolution actually say that. >> Good question. So the answer is the note
of the 8 million3 will come due next year. It's a one-year note. So we renewed it just now. We had notes from the previous year. We paid them off. >> Oh, that's what this is. >> Yes. And these are all ordinances that
were, as I said again, non uh political if I may. They were all for the benefit of the one second. I'll be you call me. I'm here. I can go over. >> Can I ask about the claims like you know
>> I don't have if you give me the detail I'll have it for you tomorrow. Um you know can you email me what your question is. >> No I think I want everybody to you know kind about the every other I mean other council member also knows
>> everyone can say those claims are basically to run the the town. There's nothing going unless you see a person's name. >> Understand? One thing that I really really frustrate me is a really no I mean there are little internal control
that really bothers me. For example, the >> could you give us a page number? Page number >> claim >> page number page 24 >> 24 >> by media >> last 20. All right.
>> Second one >> from the top >> it says $4,000 >> for >> $1,000. We've been actually paying this for since last, you know, January 2025. >> This for two months. >> No, no, for two months every month.
>> No, this for two months. It's by by two months. Look at the dates on the right. >> You see that date? January to fe to March. >> That's two months. >> No, this is for March. >> I got it. I got it. Chie, you just follow just follow with me. All right.
You're talking about Vision Media, right? >> Yeah. Vision Media. >> Okay. This bill is from January 13, 2026 on your right to March 11, 2026. We approved this for $2,000 a month. You approved it. You approved it to get this going.
>> Can I finish? >> Go ahead. >> Please. Go ahead. >> So, I look at the, you know, resolution which we passed last in 2024 November. Okay. November special meeting. It's a it's a
resolution 2024 267 authorization of professional service contract with a medium media marketing. Yes. Income. When I look at the contract, it's a $3500 per month, but we've been paying $4,000.
>> So, this is one of internal control. >> Please, please go ahead. Well, first of all, I I don't know right now because we do pay them 33 or 3500. Yeah. >> Not 4,000. I have to look and see. Is that simple? I'll find out. >> $4,000.
>> Pay them $4,000. >> Just so you know, as far as the internal controls, 30 years, we've never had any fraud. We've never had any abuse. So, I don't know what internal controls are. And as far as I'm concerned, we went to three auditing firms.
>> There's been no Got it. Well, Christy, let's do this. Let's do this. Can we just Okay, we know what that is. I need we me and the BA have to get an opportunity to know what you're talking about. But here, what we says here is
first ending date January 13, 2026. We check. So maybe I don't know what this is, but maybe it's two months or one month. Who knows, right? So how about this, Roberto? >> We'll find out. We'll find out. Okay. But but if if you're seeing that a
special meeting resolution 1224-267 says 3500 we approve 3500. >> That's not it. There are several other places that I found. I mean I didn't look at all the invoice. I I can just see that >> that we actually pay more than what we
are supposed to >> bring it then bring it. >> So these are the internal control which actually pointed out by the state. >> Okay. Okay. That was >> we have to improve >> it. Okay. It was okay. You're right now talking about internal control. Roy just said that we do an audit. We do an audit
every single day, every single year, right? That says, "Hey, uh, the the contract for Vision Media says 2,000, but it seems like they've been charging you 3500. Does the auditor cash that?" >> Yeah, of course it would.
>> Thank you. Now, anything any more questions? >> Yeah, >> I have. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> The resolution 103. >> Oh, no, no. We're still working on the claims. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. So, any more questions about the claims? >> We'll figure that out. Proceed.
>> And also page 18. >> Page 18. >> Page 19. >> Page 19. >> Yeah, I was going to ask that question too. >> Okay. Website management. We actually had a resolution that we we are I mean
they their right pricing is $24,000 per year which is 2,000 per month. What is this 200? >> What's Peter Pads? >> That's a website management. >> There's two different things that he gets money for and I will be happy to
get back to you explain that to you. I don't think it's necessary. >> The money is for what he's supposed to do. >> Oh, so it's already in the budget he had done. Yes, it was something he had done that was an extra service and he paid for that, >> right? And it was approved.
>> Well, no, not the $2,400, the $200. >> The $200 doesn't $2,000 is what he is paid now every month. >> Every month, the $200 you're talking about right now is the claims. Now, you you could either prove it or not for that $200.
And also on page 21, I think I mentioned this before the Korean interpreter for the coach. >> Yes, this is for the for the >> according to salary ordinance is $167.
>> $176. >> These are the basically control internal control. >> Wait, wait, wait. It's okay. So, let's just try to find out why it's 200 instead of allegedly. Do you have Uh what's the resolution that says we're going to pay here? Do you have the resolution?
>> Salary ordinance because >> salary ordinance. Go ahead. >> First of all, there was a discussion a number of times about the fact that one interpreter was getting 167. Why is the other one getting 200? Everybody should get the same thing. >> Yes. >> So that's what this is about. And in the
salary orders, the new one, there's a range from 1675 to 250 actually just in case they increase. But we're covering the that people getting paid because they're getting paid that now. >> I remember there was a situation where
>> it was unfair. >> It was unfair. How come? >> No, that's not the point. The point is we have to go by salary ordinance. We pass. >> She just said this. >> Yeah, but he just said that she just passed the ordinance. >> She didn't
>> salary range. >> First of all, she cannot pass the ordinance. >> No, no, no. I'm so sorry. Right now, the thing is right now I want to know right what she said the VA said right um that one one uh translator from the court is paying $200
>> because it's a company >> it's a company right >> it's not a company you know I don't think this is an argument if you wanted to get to the bottom >> we could we could get to the bottom of this we'll put a note and be a dupe >> send proof that reason why you sent the
email write it for everybody the council members reason why this was up 400 bucks right from 176. Why? Because it was unfair. You know the story. I remember it was told >> because it was discussion here. I didn't care what they >> It was here. It was done here. Maybe like >> Well, first of all, one of the No,
because one of the Korean people, what came up was because one person was getting more money. The reason she got more money is that she's a certified Korean. >> That's right. >> The other person isn't. >> So, she got the extra money because she's qualified. >> This is really frustrating. PA and you
just you know the make some kind different criteria to pay one way the other what I'm talking about is we have to go by ordinance that we have >> what do you mean the ordinance is okay >> ordinance says of $167 then we don't go by no
>> unless we change it really the point is >> everything is going to be corrected if there's any problem we had we had a problem with a $1 change in the pool ordinance and we redid that three times for a dollar. >> Why are we like talking about Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> Was that ordinance a range a salary range from 1676 or 167 to 200? >> It isn't in the one that I'm I prepared but what it was before all I'm saying is this goes back to a few different things and I just think that this is this
conversation is a little unnecessary because when we did hire the new person then everybody said well why is that person getting more well? The reason they not because they're certified and they have qualifications that demand more money to get to take the job.
>> So, >> and let me ask you a question from 176. Okay. 176 is 200, right? Is it within the range? >> Well, now there is I'm not asking you see how you're out of order right now. See how you just go just popping out? We
will be here all night if we keep on doing this. I just want to get this done. Okay? Please, I'm asking you the question. Please, it the range right now. What is the range right now? >> In the Hold on one minute. >> If you could find it right now, that'd be nice.
>> If it's not, I want you to write an email >> and tell me what what the range is. >> If the 200 right now is going over the range. Now, let's just ask you this, Counselor. If it's within the range, all right, whatever the BA did, does a BA have the
right to make the decision because that because she was more qualified? Let me ask you that question. Yes or no? Does she need permission from the governing body to say I I want to increase it? Is that >> as long as the ordinance gives arrangements within that range? >> We did not have a range.
>> So would you speak a bit louder please? I need to ask the legal qu question for an answer. If if it's within the range, does the VA have the authority to increase it because of her own reasons? >> Yes. within the range and not outside the ordinance range, then the person in
charge in this case >> for $24 difference. Does she have to tell the council and the majority body to get the votes to do that? >> No. Thank you very much. >> Go ahead. Let's just continue on. We're talking about $24 right now. What else?
Can I can I ask? So what's the current says for interpreter? >> Is that 2026 has a salary range of 16750 to 250? >> No. No, that's not what we passed. The current I'm talking
>> the current one does not have a range. >> Right. Does not have a range. >> Right. >> And I didn't hire the person. This is a courtapp appointed person. This is not up to the media whether it's in the salary or not. I think you missed the point. The point >> I think you missed the point.
>> No, stop stop. Guys, guys, go ahead. >> The point is we passed the salary ordinance and then our payment is a different >> but you just said but you just said that there is no ordinance for this translator. >> Oh, there is ordinance $16787
>> flat. I'm with Okay, Bo. I'm talking about the range. >> No, no, it's not range. That is the future. >> Please, you're out of line again. Please go ahead. Anyways, just you know what? Can we just send this email and get it done? Do we have to make this a a
grandstanding and we could argue all night. Please, we'll resolve this by email. Roberto, follow up. Please, Christine, want you to talk to and by next week's meeting. I hope this is all result but this is not the place or venue to make this argument here. We don't look good when we do this. I don't
know what please see how it just see how it just pops up like that. >> It is work sessions >> right but there's also we can bring >> I think just terms for all of you guys for just every calm down move on get through this for the public as well. I see you want to come record. Let's get
the answers and then next work session, you know, >> I mean back up and and discuss >> before the regular meeting, we'll solve this problem. But let's not grandstand and make us all look bad. Remember, council members, you guys are also responsible, too. You can't blame
somebody because you're voting. You're one of six. You're two of six, three of six, and four of five, six of six council members who have duties. You're not here to to say you're wrong. You got to make sure that we all work together. Make sure that we all don't get into trouble. Thank you. Let's Anything else
now concerning this uh claim. >> No. >> Okay. Okay. I have some claim questions too. And Roy, I would like to ask you to get some information. Page number four. Roy, thank you. If you could write it down a little bit. I do have quite a few.
>> You don't have a piece of paper? >> Yeah. I mean, Sophia could probably >> Yeah. So, um, I'm going to do page four. If you look at borrow policy start fund to afford security, that's $5,000. If you cannot answer right now, please, uh,
answer it on my email. Hold on. >> Thank you. Page four. >> Which one? >> Uh, borrow. It's It's a little bit downway half. It says inter fund to afford security is $5,000. Foul property
trust $5,000. I just want to know what this is about. That was a transfer of the money that Roy, if I'm not mistaken, Mike explained that was the $5,000 that we owed somebody and it was taken from the wrong account and just putting it back where it belongs. >> We did get it from the wrong account.
>> At the time, it's >> I don't know. I'll get to you figure that out why that is. I have a question on that. >> I asked him about that one. >> Good. Yep. I have another question on page number six. We bought it. It says Cheese Man Bank. I
didn't know we use Cheese Man Bank. >> So Chase Man Bank is the depository trust company. It is a U. You're right. We don't use the bank itself, but the bonds are sold in New York City. >> A Chase Bank. >> It is.
>> All right. That mean Thank you. Page number seven, you go all the way down. County Open Space Trust Fund for $17,000. County taxes payable. Oh, this is where we're paying for taxes, counter taxes. >> I'm okay with that. Page number eight.
Um, it says crossing guard services, right? Uh, when you look at Xgards, it says it seems like from I don't know. I don't know if this is right. From December 11, 2025 to March 5th of 2025. I don't know if that's a period. It says first date and
then it says receive date. I don't know what that means. When you put these two dates over here on the claims, does that mean the term of the claim or >> the Oh, it's the date of service. >> Date of service >> of the invoice that was received by the police department signed off and given
to us for me. >> Ah, so it doesn't tell you how long the bill is for. >> Well, for this No, it won't. >> It won't. I got you. Now, could you do me a favor, Roy? We've been using Excards um the police uh because it was a better deal. I call everybody saying
okay with the better deal for hiring a you know a third party uh crossuard company because a they still gave the opportunity for the local residents to participate and get paid and you know being part of the community and making sure their crosswalks and b they take
care of everything so we don't have to worry about it the police department don't have to manage that and third the price was competitive so do me a favor we've been using uh crossing guard services for a while I want you to um compare whatever the month it is, same
months, right? And see how much we spend versus using for um our local guys versus using Xcars. Now, one problem now, right? I I know I know Robera, I forgot to add one problem we hired, reason why we hired is because there weren't enough local people that wanted
to participate. Remember that, right? >> That was the reason. And you were putting the $150,000 police officer instead of fighting crime, which obviously they have to protect the children as well. Y >> that's where they were going on the most. >> Got it. Just do me a favor. Just let me know that we're doing okay with the
finance with, you know, we're seeing. Thank you. I'm almost done. I'm almost done. Sorry. Um uh page number nine, Elite Realy Associates Affordable Housing Administration comes out to 3333. What
is this about? It says budget legal OE. >> It's a legal bill coming in for the affordable housing. >> Could I get a copy of that? >> Thank you. Mark that down. Page 10, Fairview Tire Code. It says 123180.
At page 10, if I look at it, it says Fairware Tire Code. Obviously, it's got to be a tire, but you know, it says description, budget, streets, and roads. So maybe um maybe it's part of a a DPW tire exchange. Maybe perhaps
>> tires that they needed. Yeah. >> Right. Let me get a copy of that too. Thank you. >> And page 13. >> Bottom it says leave capital funding. Leave capital. I'm assuming they're they're cleaning leaves. I I don't know.
It says 1548. It's coming from the administrative executive. >> So what is that? something for the clerk something from the clerk's office. Leaf is deceptive. Has something to do with >> I would like to get an invoice on that. >> Yeah, it's one of the >> 1548.
>> It's one of the services that I can't because it says leave. That's why it's kind of confusing. >> That's why I asked Jack, but I don't know what. >> All right, put that in there. Page 14. Lismar realy rental property parking lots. I remember we do. We pay a parking lot. Which one was it again?
>> That's the >> That's the rental. You have contracts on those. >> Which one is that? This one is the uh Lima Levis. >> No. >> Uh which one? >> It's the one on Broad Avenue. >> Broaden Street.
>> Henry Street. Thank you. >> Okay, that's answer. You don't need that. Now, Mura Nursery, the question I want to ask is that it seems like the PO date is August 20th, 2025, unless there's an error. That's
way too old. So, I'm trying to figure out what happened. I want an invoice from return on 30 because it says the it says appeal date is August 20th and 2025, but it seems like it's been trying to process between on March 13th. So, I need I need
an invoice on that because I want to know why. >> Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing is page 15. Let me get I want to know information about MR International. Roberto Roy
>> that's uh >> internet >> the internet with >> that's a shared service >> shared service with the county >> this is so this is the uh >> that's the company that provide that's who we pay it's their vendor but that's who we pay >> does the count does Bergen County what
we're doing right now right >> right it's part of the share the >> share service share services okay how about right one below it says MSI technology ology computer maintenance contract. >> It's for police department, sir. It says it right there.
>> Computer email. >> All right. You know what? I I don't need that. So, forget about that. All I want is to see the MR International Police. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And page 19, if you go down there, it
says Penoni Associates Incorporated. There was a a considerable amount of 64,731 rubber to make sure right these services are I I believe that some of them that were not completed correctly in Poni we use collars right
>> no >> no what what are these >> what happened is when we stopped using when we appointed a new engineer >> whatever there were four parts to some of the proposals the the uh site plan
They prepare you know the plans for something then there's another section that talks about the construction there's a bid packet they do the uh precon so it's broken down into sections so we have paid them through the work
that they do everything that's on today >> because they're not our engineer anymore would be completing the construction inspection for instance first second fourth and high >> everything completed except for construction inspection. They just
started construction. Kers is doing that part of the contract. It's not different. It's the same amount of money that was in the other one, but they're completing it. There are some instances where Kyers found some mistakes with Penomi. So, they may have to do
something, but they're not doing the same work. every every one of the uh grants that we got or any one of the bond ordinances that we've had first, second, first, second, fourth, and highland is a bond. We did that. We did
a million 1.2 >> or I'm sorry, >> or Highland. >> Highland. Yeah. No, go ahead. I thought it was Roth, too. So anyhow when when we asked them to prepare for
that to do those reports part of it was doing the actual plans. So they have to go out there and they survey and they create the plan for doing the roads. They come up with the specs. They have to do a bid process and
then when that's all done and the people start doing the work somebody has to being the inspector on the site. >> So now is at the point where on two of the things you see tonight, they are continuing from the beginning. They are
not redoing anything. The only thing they're doing from scratch is the one new one, which is 25 that never did. This year 24, they're doing the bid with the clerk and then they'll be doing all the uh inspection.
>> Okay. >> So we paid We still owe them some money, but uh they some problems with some of their invoices, but we only paid the in the proposal the stages that they finished. >> Okay, good. Cuz we don't want to pay
double. I know that Penoni couldn't complete certain things or couldn't make it uh correctly. So, Kers or what's the other one? Boswell will will make sure they'll edit it and make sure everything's complete and proper. Doesn't mean they're going to charge us double.
I'm almost You You'll get it, sir. Just I'm almost done. Um I want a copy of the right here. Penoni 3,350. It says professional service renders for computer system office eqcr. >> Okay. Um Roy can explain that. >> Which one?
>> Under Penoni, there are two things that don't make much sense. These are other bond bonds that had money in them, and Roy is paying these bills from those bonds. Right. But yeah, I get it. But then computer system, I don't want
>> It's not a computer. We ran out of money in the in that bond audit. So, we're going to be funding it this year with another bond or to keep the project running. >> Okay. I want to see a copy of this. I got to see a copy to understand this because I don't know why it's another
penalty. The next one that I want to ask is page 20. Um, it says pin pants. Again, this is you said this is um what again? Pants. Okay, >> I got it. I got it. Now it's start. I didn't know what pitif was. Okay, now if
you go down to rudiment Roth in the middle, it's 25,8267. Same page page 20 25,82667. I want to see all the invoice of this every single invoice. Okay. And I want
to know exactly what it was used for. And last but not least, page 22, top four elevators. Um, I want to see the receipt of top four elevators for 120785.
And also, I want to see the inspections for 26970. I want I want to see those two invoices so I could see a comparison. And that's about it. Now, thank you very Oh, one more. One more. Page 24. Um, if you go to Ryan Ryus, right, this
is very important. Good thing I cashed it. >> Which one? >> Page 24. It's the last It's second to the last page. >> Yeah, >> it says it says 176407. I want to know every single employee right now having a phone number,
cellular account under the burl burl usage. I want a name to that phone number, please. Okay, Robera. >> Good. And last but not least, page 25. Re down law. It says border attorney
November 2025. >> You know what? It's okay. I don't need that. It's getting close to the budget library. But definitely >> Yeah, I got it. But I definitely want to know every single phone number related to who who the burl gave the phone number to. Thank you very patient. Go
ahead. I'm actually now I have three questions but let me make you short. The first one is still we are getting the invoice for the works done in 2025 in March. Okay. Is there any invoice for
the work of the 2025 which >> you said is there any more outstanding invoice for that that you don't want to be surprised. >> There should be no guar I can't guarantee it. Look what happened in February mayor with those. >> Yeah. But um no guarantees doing the
transfers. Go ahead. Go ahead. I hope not but I can't I wouldn't know until like >> actually you hope but I believe okay I believe not okay but it's coming then we pay but it's actually it falls in like 2025's budget isn't it >> yes that's what we're going to charge
that's why we're doing >> then how could we how could we estimate the expenses we used in 2025 so if it comes like in April or in May so we have to pay the 2025 from the 2025 budget use,
right? >> Yes. >> Is there any way we can expedite it? We can we invite the B can we invite the banders to issue the invoice earlier like than this or like in January or
>> I would love to but if you have a settlement in court which is how you have your own expenditures which had nothing to do with anyone on that days. No one. We never knew those settlements or >> CFO I think he's specifically referring to vendors not settlements or lawsuits.
Go ahead. >> Yeah. For example, like in order sheet, okay, if you do some work for the town, you have to issue or send the invoice like in 90 days or something. Can we do this? Something like that is >> okay. So, so then we if we receive the
invoice for the 2025 in May or June this year still need to pay then we calculated all the budget based on the actual use of 2025 already then it comes invoice comes we pay then what happened it will be the mess and it will it won't
be the accurate the use of the money in 2025. So we we set up the budget based on the use of 2025. But the if we don't have the actual amount of the 2025 use how can we set up exactly or the
accurate the budget in 2025 2026 >> that's what I'm saying. So can we put order in in order sheet something like that you have to send the invoice within 60 days or 90 days after your work. Something like that. Yeah. >> That's the invoice. We can do that.
Deputy Mayor Nasty. >> Let me I gohead. Go ahead. Go ahead. What else? >> The second. Okay. When it comes out. >> No, please. Please. You're next. You're next. You're next. >> I just wanted to get Mr. Roana's answer.
Was it a yes or no? >> Oh, he said he will. He said he will. >> We will. We're going to >> We're going to try to make sure his services are rendered that we get an invoice within 90 days. >> Okay. >> No, no, no. The the council mention
question was are all the invoices from 2025 have been collected. Is the answer yes or no? >> No, I can't guarantee it. It's a problem. Okay. So, so there so the problem with that answer is we should be
able to know whether all of the expenses incurred in 2025 have been invoiced or not. If we don't know whether all the invoices have been collected, does that mean we don't know when all the expenses that were incurred in 2025?
But how could the answer be we don't know? >> Now there is no control system here. There is no control system. I totally agree with two council members over here. As a mayor, I'm going to request request the finance department with the
CFO, whoever is working there that we make a policy that >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. >> Or what >> the policy should be that >> Okay. >> There should be a there should be a purchase order issued for every expense
that is approved to be incurred. So that when you check the purchase order number, you could tie it to an invoice so that you could tell whether we have received an invoice or not. >> So >> let me let me >> take that into consideration.
>> Okay. So as a mayor, we're still the mayor. I'm going to I'm going to request the uh the finance department to make sure that they call all our vendors and make sure the PO matches what exactly what Let me finish. exactly what she
said. But I I want to delegate the responsibility to the finance department to call all our vendors and say, "Listen to me, folks. 2025 is about to end. 2026 is about to end." Exactly what he said. You got three months. You better pay or we're going to get into trouble. So, you
better give me all your bills cuz we're responsible. Why? Because we have to answer to the governing body. Okay? Yes, you have to give them the deadline of by the end of this month all the invoices for 2020 2025 have to be collected and
going forward no expense should be incurred unless you have a purchase order issued from the finance department so that we can internally track whether an expense has been invoiced or not. We should not be relying on our vendor to
tell us whether we owe them. >> Yep. Go ahead. You know, I I'm just thinking and I don't know because I don't work with admins, but I I think that we could find out if there's something in that system because every
time an invoice comes in, a PO is created under the new system, each of the departments are able to do it. So, it doesn't get backed because they can do their own now. They've all been taught how to enter their own.
>> Right. Right. But but my point is a purchase order should be issued before an invoice is issued by the vendor. >> Yes. >> Does that make sense? >> Is always issued. >> Yes, you are correct, Council President. >> But what what I'm trying to say is and I
don't know if it's possible if in Edmonds if something hasn't been paid within a certain time if there could be a category that says we didn't get this yet. Where's the invoice? I don't know. It's a very sophisticated system.
>> Okay. But bottom line is the governing body and everybody at TNS agrees and is my >> it's my prerogative to request the privacy department to make sure all the vendors are are are saying they're going to have to pay their bill on time or we're going to get into trouble. So we
do not wait for the vendors to give us a bill. We call them sers. Give them a notice. This is our policy. They don't give it to us within three months or definitely before the end of the year we're not going to we're going to have a big problem. We might have to use this invoice for the next fiscal year. I
think we all agreed on that. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you for that. Go ahead. >> I have two more questions. The second question is to the attorney. >> Go for it. >> Let's say this is consequences of the question the councilman want.
We hire one interpreter. Okay. And he said the his offer was like $175 per hour. Okay. So we The ordinance all the professionals ordinance 175 just one interpreter. Okay. Then he got involved
in traffic accident is in hospital. Okay. So we have to hire new interpreter. He he's asking like $200. Okay. Then should we pass new ordinance again increasing the salary increasing the hour? >> Uh
>> in that in that case yes I mean there there's emergency exceptions. you need one right there that day. But in if you're asking general to come in, yes, you would need a new ordinance to establish the salary that the town is going to give to interpreter.
>> A range would be able if the ordinance was if it is more in a range. We just hired one interpreter at that time we exactly matched the amount. Okay. $167, right? But we had to hire one more interpreter and he he's asking like a
little more than that then we we should test new ordinance. Right. >> Right. the the resolution is then yes. >> So in an emergency situation >> it should be the right >> if there was an ordinance that says
exactly 175. Yes. We have to create another you are correct. Absolutely. But >> right >> BA should know. Okay. >> Okay. So we'll figure that out. BA. Okay. I want to follow through with the research and check what the ordinance are. Check what your sal range is and report back to us in the email please.
>> So you have to keep the cell range or the set range in the big chron6 which we were going to pass or we will be passing shortly. There is a range for interpreter starting at what the person is making because you can't you have to
cover what they're making. >> I got it. I got it. And then we raised it to 250 just in case. >> I thought that person is making sure that >> he's not not talking about that has a point. Just to clarify, he was not about
the claims of the fact that if there was an ordinance for 175 even though the BA if you didn't have the ordinance is your liberty. I'll be really honest with you, right? That's what you said. But however, if there is an established ordinance, we have to change the ordinance. What's your other question?
>> This question is actually it is the other the resolution but we brought out that already. So this is the resolution 103 >> 103. Yeah, it's for the one, two, the >> first, second, fourth, and >> first, second, fourth street and the
high >> construction inspection services, >> right? Uh so we passed the resolution for the peroni already, right? >> The peronis work, the quotation was $52,000.
Now we are hiring for almost unc discontinued uncomplished work. We have to hire the uh career for this at the $72,750. Okay. This is that there should be some
duplicated work or like increased the amount. >> This is the problem. >> Mhm. >> We can afford this is the our town is like financially in emergency situation. >> It's like the Middle East war. Okay. So
we have to be in emergency and we have to find out if there's any way not to use that if find out rest use and more safe. >> Okay. So so I think we just Charlie you
have a very good point and I agree with Charlie again I'm just going to reiterate what Charlie our our council council member said is that you want to talk some more >> the ordinance. Okay. Ordinance 2025-201. Exactly same work. Okay. Giving this
work to the Peroni at $52,000. >> Mhm. >> This is the resolution 2025-201 in June 23rd of 2025. >> Could you say that resolution? >> 2025. >> What's the resol again?
>> 2020 2025-201 dated June 23rd. >> June. Okay. All right. So, I just want to add on top, he has a very good point. >> So, two two things. Okay. Two things.
Um, like I said before, if if if our former uh engineer didn't do a good job according to what the BA says, but he did complete it. There's something missing. There's something needs to be added, something has to be removed. Those kind of costs should not be a cost
of a whole new work. Now, that same thing that I want to ask for resolution 103, 104, 105, 106 and uh those resolutions I did some point comparisons, right? Um uh Robera, could
you explain how our our current call your engineer bases their their price on this? Every time, excuse me. When we apply for a grant, we have to get an estimate when it grows.
>> I'm asking you. So, forget about everybody else. I'm asking you. Go ahead. >> So, when we apply for a grant, in order to get the grant, we have to provide an estimate from the engineer about the cost of the project.
And once that's said, the engineers who are going to give us a proposal for preparing everything for that plan normally have 10%. It's written at the bottom and it tells you it's written at the bottom of the
proposal the additional 10%. You mean from college >> from anybody >> from any engineer you're saying that standard standard industry practice that is 10% on top of what the total estimated cost >> and that's the soft cost for their work.
So in most cases if something is 289,000 you'll see that their proposal is the 28,000. If it's 230 it's 23,000. Now that said, when Congress took over some of Ken's
things, particularly the road work, they felt that they had not um estimated correctly for the price of the job. So, they've had they don't I'm not I'm not
paying them for anything that already got paid for, but going forward, if they feel there's additional work because they that was underestimated by Penoni. Their part of doing it may be a little bit more money, but if you look at their
RFQ, their hourly rate is cheaper than Penonius was per person. >> Okay, let me ask a question. This penonia right now, we you know that according to you what worked out first, second, fourth and high, right?
>> Uh what's call it? Um this is for the drains, right? >> Mostly for the drains. for the drain that that poor residents that do not have a drainage in one side. It's incredible, guys. It's actually like this in one side. All the new duplexes are there's no drain. Of course, it can
get flooding. So, we're trying to reduce the flooding on, but it's it it's first of all, I don't like the fact that resolution 103 doesn't break down what first, second, fourth, and highland street project cost. He just put a total
amount of 72,750. I would like for him to categorize like other resolutions 104, 105, 106 like he categorized instead of putting because you put everything together. We still
need to identify and signatize how much each cost because the 72,750 seems pretty damn expensive. And then but I know there's four, right? But check this out. If you look at 104, right? It says for 104 it says Kier
submitted a proposal for 197 19,750 right and this is specifically for the 12 street trio the trio that is short street from going from all the way to dead end from trio all the way to going to palisades I believe it's a palisades
yes now if you look in the back like you said 10% on top soft cost it says that it's 717489 $96 for that amount. He's asking 197 almost $20,000. Now let's look at resolution 105.
This one he asked for close to $26,000 collars. Now this one says it's 249. The cost soft cost is $250,000 roughly and you're seeing that it's pop on 10% on top. I could understand what he's trying to say. It does make sense.
However, when I compare notes, right, 250K for $26,000 and that is about 15,000 square feet on a long square feet of road. The 175,000 is about 20,000 and
that's about 300 to 400 ft long road. So, I want to know what their standards are because it doesn't make when you tell me it's going to be a soft cost 10% on top. Fine. But then there's got to be some kind of minimum cost because it doesn't make sense when they're saying
because this is going to cost $175,000 and so I'm going to put 10% soft cost $20,000 but the road right one's 350 one's 1500 um feet long and the other one is around 350 250 to 400 ft long so I need for you
to ask this specific question to colleagues what is your standard what is your rate what if it's the most minimum imum cost there's got to be even though you say I put 10% on top it doesn't make sense to me why unless there's so much
more work to be done at 12 I mean 12 street trio which is really it's a dead end road why do you say it's $20,000 okay >> sure >> I think I have a very very round question and I that's why I'm asking
what is the minimal charge for each project maybe they're like it doesn't matter if it's 50 ft home, we're going to have to give you a bottom base. But still, it doesn't make sense because your contract says buy per hour, right? So, I want you to find out why when a price difference like this, even the
other ones, too, right? Try to find out why ones cost 26,000 when it involves 1,500 square feet of work. I mean, 15,500 feet long road repaving work and whatever work. And why the most simplest
job which is 12 street 300 to 400 feet long at trio cost $20,000. It doesn't make sense. Go. I'm done with that. Please go ahead. >> Okay. Uh let me go back to I mean I have a similar question that they have but
let me just clarify because I have a slightly different question. If uh let's go back to Yeah. Let's go back to 103. >> Okay. So I actually the contract from resolution 2025201. It actually has a scope of work from the
panel. This is a 201 last year resolution. It says a survey engineering service and so on and construction pay service which is $10,000. When I look at 103, look at the scope of service. It says
construction and observation administration service. Uh that's for the $22,000. So sounds like it's better to use a penalty to finish the job. So that's one uh 104 when I look at it >> 104 right
>> 104 >> the scope of service it actually include design and beating and and construction you know uh service uh is that is that mean that penoni I believe pen we had
some different resolution last year right penoni just gave me the estimate to apply for the grant so I'm a general never have a okay so that's fine then >> well so was the answer >> so so what she's saying is pen never do
the any work on this that's why if if they don't do anything else and if we don't get the grant part of their general engineering that we pay them a certain amount every month includes giving estimates okay so that answers uh one of my question and 105
>> 105 >> 105 if you look at the scope of services again that's a construction construction observation and admin service. So that means pen did some work right he have a resolution last year so pen only did the
design and all the rest of it so it only matter of construction is that what that means >> she's asking right now 105 how much did poni do the work because she's kind of curious why it cost so much money 25,000 if pony do the work
>> because as I said there's each one of those I'll go back and look at each one of these >> this is time for work session. Sometimes BA you cannot answer right now. >> No, but I'm trying to explain how they're broken down because this is not the first time I've ever seen a contract from an engineer. So, anytime I've had a
road, any proposal that comes in, whether we're doing the money through a bond or if we're doing money through a grant, they break it down. That's the way they charge. So, for instance, when I get a bill from Canon, it will show on the invoice um just say they got $25,000
for just doing the uh survey and the site plan. When they've only done half of that, we pay them for half of that. When they've completed it, we pay them the balance. If we if they don't complete a job, we don't pay that portion of it. Okay.
So, yeah, I understand. Now, I understand better. So, please 106 >> 106 >> and 106 it actually that's brand new right that's a brand new okay uh and it says designing grant ad is that mean
that later on they're going to have another program for observation during construction is that no the last one to the is my last 2025 uh I think it's my think 25.
>> It is 25. >> But anyhow, no, they're doing We don't have anything on that. Oh, no. No. We do have a resolution last year. 340. 2025 340. I think >> this What's it called again? Sorry. >> It's a 2025 340. >> 340.
>> It says Extel Avenue and Octane Avenue. That's the project from Penoni. >> That's right. >> So, never did that. >> We We didn't start that project. But we this. We may have passed it, but the work wasn't done and we don't.
>> So, we didn't we didn't spend that money. We didn't spend that money. >> No, no, no. >> Anybody else? >> Uh, resolution 109. >> 109. >> Yes. >> So, question um to the conflict.
Can we legally suspend the uh ordinance? What's the resolution? >> Yes. you create a new ordinance if you like that this is the test >> for someone's getting coached
>> you know there's exact end date there was that was it coming to me >> there >> no I'm just talking to myself go ahead Um anything you want they want but due to you know time and the word is there
we're just simply you know removing it um you know similar to legally okay to say we are suspending the enforcement >> right on a res. So, so what's the the the the the
metrics of the the measurement once once this investigation is over, right? The the the pilot program we're trying to do to see if that actually helps the local business here, right? So what's the actual metrics of measurement that they're actually is helping the local
business >> council if you don't mind I want you to see this is not a question for the legal as the the police department and me as well we're getting involved with the police department it was the recommendation of the police chief and the director to not make a permanent ordinance let's try it out with the
resolution because we don't we do want the full purpose and I really encourage you guys to approve this because we have to give it a try. As you know, the stores are not doing too well. We all know why, right? And we're we're having a very bad problem right now with
economy and they're really hurt. So, we all decided, let's try to reduce this and give them some positive encouragement. See how it works. However, we are all uncertain, even Charlie, me, and the whole police department and also the director and
also the committee, even Frank, who's not here, that we're not really sure that even though this may like a good idea after we have to try it out and see if it's really effective and helpful for the merchants and the stores. Why?
Because we're not going to we're not really sure how this is going to turn out to be. It may be abuse of residents or people that want to just park there and not visit the merchants. They might just use it or it might it might be counterproductive because merchants
sometimes need those parking spaces to be parked three hours. So this is why it became a resolution and this is why under the article five that we're just going to try it out beta phase like you you know you understand for three months
that's why it requires a resolution correct >> so are we still going to limit the two-hour parking >> limit the Oh free park for anybody as you know it's from six it's free anybody can park we're hoping that they will
bolster and improve people because people that's when it's really busy and that's when people want to say, "Hey, wow, it's free parking. Let's go to that uh that restaurant. Let's go over here." We want to encourage the merchants. This this is something we talked about. Um
>> so are we going to limit parking? Are we going to limit two parking? >> No, this is free. This is just free. >> So you park there, you could park until whatever. >> Yeah, we talked about that. We talked about that with the police department. It's not my own decision. We all decided, you know, we did discuss if we
should shoot it in two hours, but then guess what? We limit two hours and then what? Give it one hour. Right now, this is a beta phase just to see how this works. If if we go, hey, you know what? We may have to do two hours cuz somehow we find out there's an abuse and and
then we could do that. But we all decided in the police department and the committee that we will give three hours and see how it works. This is not permanent. is something that we hope that it will help the commerce but we got to make sure that this is not being abused >> for three months right
>> three months yes sir June 306 yes go ahead >> no you answer my question >> you got it any more questions about the resolutions >> just I won't add okay yeah we could in the police comm about that issue okay and uh at this
time there is we just s like the typical way the traditional way we need some time like using the chalk or something but it needs the manpower and it's not the economical and efficient so rather than
using that kind of the need of the manpower we decided to do just a three hour they can max they can do maximum three hours right so we can do that and uh furthermore as you know the I went personally I went to some the business
But they are very very crowded and the business is very very good. But while the business in in Paris side is going down and going down especially there is one more issue called like IC. Okay. So the business is
going down going down and we try to find out some way we can help. So they are the members of our town people. So we try to find out what we can do. So best thing police committee. At the police committee we can think was
like the pre parking and also uh there was a park we improve the parking problem we put some signs the guiding the parking place we have some more parking places right like the backside of Anthony pacy and we we do have all
other the municipal parking place like in front of the time fl right but a lot of the visitors do not know and they don't even know whether there is a there are the municipal parking space or not. So we try to put some kind big signs
which the visitors can see. So they can release even they can release some kind of the parking problem. That's what I thought. So if there is any any issue or any like ideas who can help can help the
business in policy any councilman any ordinance or any people okay do not hesitate to contact us we'll do I want to do whatever we can help the business of the pide addition to that um we have couple method to pay the uh the park meter
right the parking meter are we going to actually notify um the kiosk I mean the program Right. Um, saying that free parking. >> Yes. >> What about the text message? >> Oh, they got into we'll use other forms of
communication to allow people to understand. >> So, whoever whoever's visiting from outside of the town uh who does not, you know, periodically ch uh check their uh check our website who doesn't get notified, you know, they come in. >> We'll figure we'll put that on our the
town website too and we'll find out. more ways to advertise that we implement parking in Pside Park too. So is PI getting better and better? That's what I >> That's right. >> Thank you, Charlie. Any more questions? Resolution. Go ahead.
>> 113. >> 113. Yes. Yes, ma'am. I mean because when we originally had he originally turned in his retirement, he did it at a
certain date. It was incorrect for him with them. We had to make sure that we would be doing it at the same time. So in other words, when Messing first did this and you know there was a settlement and I'm not going to go into that part of it, but this is just something that
had to be done to clean the record so that there would be no more problems. >> If you'd like to know more, we'll talk about it privately, but not an open but this is basically change of >> No, no, no, no, no. This is just
clarifying the record for an agreement on exact retirement date. There's no change. question. >> Please, he just went over me. He just went over me. >> You don't question to her. You ask me,
please. So, just >> question to her. >> Yeah, but please, mayor, can I Yeah. Could you say, "Mayor, I want to ask a question. Could you do that for me? Give me a little respect." That's it. >> So, when when just correct me if I'm wrong, when there was a settlement,
right, he's supposed to his retirement letter in certain date. Do you know when can you recall when he's uh tender his uh retirement letter? >> No, I don't have the file in front of you, but I'm not going to talk about a person. >> I know, but it's a personal matter.
I just want to know the date. >> Yeah, that's not a problem. You'll get that date in your mail, not your public. We don't get another lawsuit unless unless you want to get a lawsuit, but not any more questions.
>> All right, good. I want to add these two resolutions. Council members, I just realized we we missed one. Um I believe Charlie, we discussed about it. Correct me if I'm wrong. The DPW is looking would like to get some part-time jobs because a lot of people are leaving. Is
that okay? So, could you please make a note? EA uh Sophia and and the attorney, I want to put a resolution to open uh interview and hire DPW part-time. >> And there's going to be another one for
next week because we're >> What do you mean another what? >> Another one for the DPW about that's going to have something to do with our um Ken leaving something I discussed with you and we're having a meeting tomorrow
after that meeting that meeting as well. There will be another resolution next >> sign write the email that two of the council members were not here now. We have to explain that before you bring this up. Okay. >> Good. And I want to add one more resolution part of the mayor's
appointment. Um mayor's appointment 112. Maybe you could put it together there. Let's put it by add I need to add in another member for the red leveling board and I'll give you the identification who that is on the email. So we'll have two people for mayor's appointment 112. I am pretty much done.
Any more questions? Yes, go ahead. I guess >> please go ahead if you want to talk. You want to talk about >> Well, uh you know the library is going to come up to a renovation project coming up uh maybe June, July, >> correct? and and getting it approved and
started going. So, we are going to um rework on the fascia of of the building and uh some leakage and things like that. The stuckco itself is is very old in the building. So, there's a lot of water leakage and water penetration into the building. So, in order to preserve
it, we are going to we have a project to add some metal siding and things like that. Um one point that we do need to do in order for that project to get started is we do need a tree removal um through the to remove one of the really tall trees
that's along by the telephone pole line on the right hand side facing >> Can we have that conversation with my office tomorrow because I mean that hasn't been brought up by >> correct that's why I just didn't know if I should >> because it isn't part of anything that was discussed with the architect I'm
surprised he hasn't mentioned it because I know he just put in a bill for his work on this and they're going to go out to bid because they contacted the clerk to set up the bid dates for uh the stucker work. Yes. >> So if that tree removal has something to
do with the stucker work, then the architect has to be clear about it. So why don't you just >> Sure. Sure. >> Tomorrow I'll I'll reach out to Edari and ask him about the >> I don't know how the relationship with the library versus our DBW, but our former relationship usually does is that
uh you know we take care of the uh library to a certain extent. if there's some additional positions uh jobs that they require for our help, we usually provide them a cheaper rate. It's by the hourly rate and we buy them products and stuff. So, we actually provide benefits for the library. So, check out that
option as well. >> Yeah. But I I just want to know if this is part of that million dollar project that tree removal has to do with the stuckco drug. It should be part of that. It's not separate. >> No. Yes. And that that I mean it's beholden on us to remove it obviously, right? In terms of
DPW if possible. I >> Yeah, DPW services the library and we charge them a nominal. They like our services >> and there are some trees that the DPW does not take down because of size or if there are wires and therefore we bring in an >> outside.
So I just have another few things if we can start working on this. >> Absolutely. Go ahead. >> Wait, is this beyond the uh >> So yes, I I'll speak about that later. >> That's when you get your uh your report. You can either talk right now or just save it for uh regular. It's No, it's your choice. You can talk twice if you
want to. Now, any more questions about the resolution, consent resolution, please. Great. Nobody. Right. Good. All right. Good. I think we we did a pretty good job with the resolutions, consent resolutions. Let's go to council report. Um, council presidents hang, would you
like to speak up first? >> I will provide update next week. >> Thank you very much, sir. Council. Okay, for the DPW, the police uh next week the police director and the chief will come and report. Okay, but
the DPW uh the most critical issue these days in this town is the purple problem. Okay, >> I get like three or five complaints every day whenever I go out. Okay, so that's very critical. So we I have
discussed with our deputy supervisor Charles Jung or DPW >> Charlie Chung is always >> char uh okay we'll fix the poth okay in Pariside park believe or not we have 89
streets okay so we have to check all the 89 streets and we have to take care of all the 89 streets find out how much has and where we have to fix. Okay. So we will set up the
schedule to fix the power but anyway so in detailed schedule we'll have but anyway we prom not the promise but uh we are sure we'll fix all the potholes before the tree become green which is
like April 20 we our target is by April 20 you would not see any ples on April 21st that's what I'm saying >> thank Thank you. >> That's it. Well, I want to add to that and Charlie Chung's over there. I want everybody to know because there's
certain levels of of requirements to fill a pothole. DPW does a fabulous job with whatever they have and whatever they could give. There are certain DPW members that know how to do it and others just don't. It's very unfortunate. I'm hoping as we bring in
part-time new recruits for DPW the seniority not their skill set to themselves and then retire with it but teach the next generation how to fill a pothole. Now small potholes certain potholes the DPW could manage but as you
can't see uh you know Chong Shin is that there's some potholes that really require equipment that the DPW has. So I would hope that you would talk to Robera. I think Roberto's got a plan, Charlie, about hiring some professional guys to handle the big ones because if
you don't do a proper job, if you don't have the equipment, what happens is you see a lot of rubble on the street and that clogs up the sewers line. But having said that, thank you very much for the deadline. I know you're getting hurt. >> You know what the the there are two ways
like cold patch and hot patch, right? >> Right. We we used to do just the cold patch but uh sometimes >> we do we do hot we do hot we do hot >> hot is but we don't have hot patch machine so we buy
>> we buy hot hot materials from the stores so when it be became the cool cold we bring we learn and bring to the town and fix the >> right >> the parts that's the way we are doing
very very unefficient way. Okay. But even this time that hot patch company in Pville, they didn't they don't have the hot patch material yet and they started to keep that inventory from April 1. >> I see.
>> So that's the reason I put like the April 21st. >> So I discuss with BA but uh with the the deputy supervisor. Okay. Okay. Uh at the beginning we will do just the hot will
buy the hot patch from that uh company then we'll do if there is any problem we need we improve the other way find other ways then I just the VA for that. >> Thank you. Just don't forget Charlie uh we we did have a share service agreement
with the county to rent the hot hot box for a very cheap price. >> Is $40,000. >> No no no no no. I get it. I get it. But please, we have a shared service agreement that we all approve to borrow county's hot box. So, work on that with
But thank you very much for a good day. I know you're suffering. I'm getting calls, too. Thank you very much. >> Yeah, even I got the complaint this morning. This car was broken by fast and rumors on top of it. You're on top of it. Thank you. >> We have too many lawsuits already.
>> I got you. I got you. Councilman, >> uh, no reports. >> Thank you, C. council uh Chris Kris P. >> All right. So, uh good evening everybody. So, first off for recreation department, I just want to post and show you guys this. Uh we have the Easter egg
hunt breakfast over on March 28th uh at the Park High School. Uh 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. March 28th. Again, we're going to have some bagels for everybody in the community, some refreshments, Easter Bunny will be there. We'll have some entertainment. We have some really good stuff. A great icon for the
community. So, uh, please bring your families and friends. It's it's, you know, for residents, just come in. No, no entrance fee, obviously. Just come in and join. Uh, we also are working on Memorial Day as well. Roberto's been so diligent in working hard to find a
marching band for us so that we can have a really nice proper way to honor all service members and everybody um involved during the Memorial Day that'll be coming up. Um, like I spoke about with the library, we're we're also in uh
you know working on a lot of programs and re renovating the fascia of the entire building working on the roof also maybe even HVAC problem where there's a piece of plywood where we have a air conditioning unit in wall AC almost because of a window >> and so we're going to work on exploring
different options at the best cost because we do have some registers there so maybe we reroute the duck work instead of adding a new unit which will cost the the municipality obviously significantly significantly less Regarding the library, we have some
events. Just to let you know, we have some great adult programs that's coming up. Uh March 19th, paint your own shamrock, which is uh this Thursday. Okay. Uh 6:30 to 7:30. We also have a teen movie night for anybody who's got some teenagers in the family. Uh March
26th, 5:30 to 7:30 >> where >> at the library. And we also have teen game night March 30th, 5:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. And also teen advisory group, which I think is a great service just to have any conversations with any teenagers who may
be going through anything or just having a a nice little discussion so they can unload. That's going to be on March 21st, 24th, excuse me, 3:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. Um, Korean adult language programs. We have a lot here provided at the library and the recreation center. These
community departments are really, really working hard to provide as much as possible, whether it be for Korean or English. I want that to be known that there was a c a residential complaint where they felt like it was almost Korean forward with the library. We are working to make sure that you are all
included Spanish, English, Korean everybody because that library is not Korean guys. It's that library is for everybody US library. I just wanted to be known. Um, we are also I, you know, I'll discuss some things later, but the street street festival, I'm working on
maybe if we do approve potentially having alcohol sales on that day for the street festival, have a nice little closed off area so we can have some uh adult beverages. It'll be cordoned off. I'm also working on coordinating with Uber and Lift so that you have a safe
driving program. Maybe we designate a parking lot for you guys so that you can leave your cars there overnight just for that day. pick it up and then Uber and Lift would maybe perhaps give you a discounted rate if you're in Palisades Park so that you guys can get home safe, you know. Uh that's just some things
that we're working on here. And um also guys, speaking of uh Broad Avenue and towns that are strugg, there's also a great grand opening. I just saw Sunday's best, which is a gelatia over on Broad Avenue. Please go and support. Yes. >> When is it grand opening? I'm sorry.
>> It it's grand opening. It's already open. It's It's running. Um it's across the street from Paris Bette. So right around that area if you guys take a look. It's a beautiful really welldesigned little dessert shop. So please go and support. Um >> they have an official opening. >> Yes, I'm sure they want they'll have an
official opening. But I think they're doing soft opening. It's already going like I saw people going in and out. So they had maybe perhaps a soft opening already. They're operating. Um and what else? Uh so yeah, World Cup soccer. >> Oh yes, World Cup soccer. Yes. Thank
you. So, oh my gosh. So, we are working on a really great program. Uh, also there's going to be another great community uh program for World Cup, but we are working to have it through Roberto Stern working constantly about that to secure some location for us. I
believe it'll be at the high school. We may be having it indoor at the gym or the auditorium at the high school where we can all watch the games. There'll be a US game and a Korea game and we'll also work on some great street vendors and food vendors for you guys to enjoy. Obviously, no liquor, but just come and
enjoy. Come be together. Come watch your team. USA, Korea, let's go. All right. Um also, Susan Pocha will also be having their own thing which we'll be we will be supporting on our behalf just by lending out our um our projector and things for a great, you know, community
business that's here in town. They'll have the deck open and you adult beverage, that's probably the place to be. So, but if you want family time and stuff, please come to our event. We are here to share the the experience with you all. All right? And we and and I
want that to be known. We all of us are here for you. And I truly mean that. It doesn't stop with just this meeting. It doesn't stop every day. You'll see me on Broad Avenue. If you have a question, give me a call. We're here to do a lot of great work for you and I want to
provide as many great many holidays. If there's any holidays or anything that from anybody of our relatives that have an idea for some great community event, bring it over. I will work tooth and nail to make it happen because I love this. I love this stuff. Please bring it
to Thank you. Thank you. Um council, >> uh speaking of that word cup, there is actually event between this is only Korean matches June 11 and 13. We'll have it in >> 13. >> Yeah. 18. >> 18. 18. Right.
>> 11 and 18 and 24. Those are three. But first two will be will the K, NY, and J. Host committee will have the um K >> K N Y >> is going to have that match
at the at the Pine Plaza. >> That has been set. Very good. >> It's good to have a you know matches in. So it's not may not maybe $5 or $10 but children will be free and uh it's very
fortunate that we can find a place in >> Okay. Um >> any is the 24th >> 24th one? >> Oh 24. Yeah. >> The 11th and 18th is the uh pip. >> Okay. Okay. Good. Um so so this just
entrance fee is that are you going to sell concessions food or something? >> Yeah, there is a food and beer will be sold. >> This is very late night so >> 9 10 games >> right? So >> that's why we wanted to have in in
indoor as opposed to outdoor >> of course. So pregame at 7, >> right? And then there will be some merchandise. I've been actually talking to Chamber of Commerce uh how to you know kind of revitalize this broad avenue during the vertical period. So we
are actually talking about making a parasite park t-shirt so so that it can be sell you know uh it can we can sell it. I mean going to >> huh >> who's going >> this is uh the this will be led by the
chamber of commerce of the palace at >> so the chamber of is going to lead this okay >> right so they are going to talk to business owner every business owner who's going to participate in that owner hope that they can actually so that ky
and the host committee will help them to promote >> but this is nothing to do with burough policy's part >> right nothing to I The bor policy does not have our money, right? >> No. We don't want to be liable for nothing. We don't want anything to be drunk. There's any money being made. We
do not want to be part of it because we have to go through proper procedures right now. >> Please, I'm almost done. I just want to make it official. I think what council is saying is that whatever she event that she told the border palaces park has no relationship. >> Thank you. Go ahead.
>> I was just going to ask are the proceeds like you're saying that in order to help benefit the downtown are the of the sales teachers going to the business or the chamber of commerce direct or >> the business >> to the business is one of that's pretty good >> but that is all the has to be determined by the
>> chamber of commerce of course >> we just the other organizations just helping >> so the uh the KNJ they don't make any profits >> but it's only for chamber of commerce >> just
pine plaza it's a tall building right across room 46. It's on the fourth floor >> by Valley National. >> Thank you. Anything else? Thank you. I would like to just make this quick story. Uh it's almost 8:10. I'm going to hit the plug. I know. I know. But but guess what? Because we
went through this motion. Our regular session should be faster. It's about taking making your votes. It's not about grand standing. It's not about talking or asking questions unless you really really have to. You didn't get your answer within this week. Now, I'll make it real quick, quick, and simple. I
think I could say for ourselves, not just including me, the mayor council, that we do make mistakes. And I'm going to tell you that the staff makes mistakes. Nobody's perfect. But it is our responsibility to fix those mistakes so the future we make less mistakes. We
want to be as perfect as possible. But in that retrospect, I want to make a very very proudful there's only not much people here but very proudful uh uh announcement that in the last 2025 to up
to now we obtained secured a record amount of grants that never been before in this the history of Palace Park. It comes out to be $3 million that we got our grant money from our federals, from
our locals, and because of the relationship that we have like Josh Guyheimer. Josh Godheimer just announced that he will provide us $1 million to update Grand Avenue of drain and and flood water service uh drain because it
is too old. It's too outdated. Every single time it rains just a little bit more, DBW have to go down and open that up. It is inefficient. We lose money on manhour time. He's going to provide us $1 million for free through the grants because we have a good relationship with
Josh Glide. And that will expand double the size capacity to 24 in. You know, that actually is a main line that all of our hills come down to Grand Avenue and that line goes all the way to the sewage area, you know, past Route 46. So, You know what? Yes, we make mistakes. Yes,
we we we may forget that we spent all that money. But hey, we are still trying our best. And we it's I'm very proud of all of you guys that we're here to tell you that we made close to $3 million of grants received for the past one year
and a little bit more. So guys, not so bad. That's about it. I don't believe there's a return report you want to do later. >> Good. a report. You want to do it later? Is there something that you want to say? >> But just quickly, by next week at the
regular meeting, I am getting quotes for doing significant patches, not holes, but patches. There are certain areas uh Broad Avenue and Edel Edel further up
going east and Rinker between seventh and eighth street and 8th and 9th Street there are patches that we can fill. So I'm getting quotes from um vendors construction companies
that do that work. So if you go to certain other places you might see some place on the road. That's this type of thing. It will be an area. It will hold up. Almost every place that we're going, we do have applications for a grant. One of them is the Oak Edel.
Hopefully, you know, we'll spend that wisely, but we won't have that money for a while by the time we go out to bid. So, this and it's not a tremendous amount of money, but it will hold us over in those really bad areas until those streets are paved.
>> Thank you. Right. The grant is not most important is about filling the pods as fast we can. Go ahead, Charlie. >> Yeah. Okay. We have a lot of projects going on, right? Okay. Like the Broad Avenue beautifification and the B Avenue parking garage parking place and the
Belleview and the Columbia >> Columbus Park and the park and the outdoor the outdoor exercise facility and the splash pad in the swimming pool. Also the the cross work the lighting cross work
a lot of projects are going on right so today is okay but on a regular session please give explain the updates please okay thank you >> very good thank you thank you very much okay good um engineering report hey Roy I know you waited this long you want to
see you want to add something >> yes thank you very much the resolution for next week go resolution transferring an appropriation reserves, which would be the last of the bills that should be 25
uh to cover those bills and there should be money left in the budget to do those transfers. >> Everyone will have 25. >> Good. >> That email will go to everyone uh as early as tomorrow. >> All right. Thank you very much for that.
But I appreciate it's important because >> Oh, yeah. Also, there will be a budget. >> Very important. It is not the 26 budget. It's to keep the town running. So, it'll be approximately 30% of last year's budget, which you will approve to keep
the budget running until we adopt the 26 bud. >> Are you going to bring this up this month or next month? >> Um, can I do is everyone all right? >> Next month. If you take as much time as you want. We don't want any make mistakes on this. >> There's no mistake. It's just an appropriation. do what you got to do,
but I'm just saying I don't want to, you know, make sure that everything's okay. >> All right, good. >> All right. Um, there's no uh I think we're okay right now. M close and open to the public. May I have a motion to close and open to the public? >> Second.
>> First, second. All in favor? I Guys, you thank you for your patience. A little bit long. 8:15. You guys have any questions, please come up. >> Concerns, quality of life issues, comments, please go up. Nurse, thank you for your patience. is about to fall asleep, but I really appreciate you
recording for us every single time. I love you for that. Thank you. >> We should hire you. I like what um mentions um that we all make mistake um and we know that um in our house we
made mistake but we trying to fix it together as a family. So I really feel that you guys as a um member who we pick and both for you guys to put our disagreement aside and work for the
community because when we work as together we see the result. Uh we all know that we don't like something about another and political um coming and this and that please >> um you know it's affecting our community. I want to mention something
is we planning to bring back the police department like the office like a when you make a phone call to um 9 911 it's go to another town >> county >> like county so have you guys think about
because we paid for that right maybe if we now that we more organized police officer running more smoothly and things is getting better how you guys think about to, you know, to print that back. Maybe that saves some couple dollar for us, too. I think that would be a good idea.
Also, uh, last summer, um, I came here and I mentioned that, um, I don't, you know, we shorted a DPW employee to go and do and check and the owner to clean the
front, especially Clean Avenue. It's a lot of time. Let's say they pick it out my garbage and they do it in the morning really early and and garbage fall. If you go in my in my street Glenn Avenue is full of garbage. But this is our
responsibility to go back and clean it. It's a lot of property that is full of garbage >> like um they are eating there and it's look very dirty and look disgusting. The get a ticket get a warning and say hey Glen 444 you need to in this area. This
is your property. If I don't clean it, I get a ticket because look very disgusting. DPW doesn't have to go in my property to clean it. We have to clean it. So, I I feel that this making our town look very ugly because a lot of
people rent it and they feel they don't need to clean. So, we need to do that. I feel like that will help our community to look better and less work for the PW. Another thing I know, you know, we're going to have the talk about me. I know
the police officers are going to get in working more for that because we're going to have a lot of incremental visited and a stranger coming to our town. I want you guys to plan for that too to be safe, you know, >> which for the work
>> because we are so close from there, >> you know, we going to need more um because we we're going to be like in the middle a lot of drinker and a lot of things is going to be going on. So, we need more >> to protect our >> time. Got it. >> To have fun for that. Thank you.
>> Um, just just to let you know, I think it's a great idea. I I was a supporter advocate for moving our personal really, you know, here I am. Let me talk to you cheap. We go straight to the county. I think one of the main re reason was because it was cost competitive. Now,
Roberto, I want you to find out why the other reason why we decided to go to county. If I'm if I'm being if I'm correct, the reason why we had to go to the county is because the system that calls here instead of call the county, we needed fiber optics. Fiber optics
cost a lot of money. Now, I may be wrong, but try to find out how much money we're saving for the uh county versus how much it will cost for us to bring our dispatch back. And if it's possible if our technology right now, this old building should could uh what
you call it be integrated with the Yeah, >> I I don't know why you changed. I know why we changed it in another town that was nearby. It it was cost effective and it was they didn't have the room to have
a full-fledged dispatch. We have just redone, as Charlie knows, that hole inside. I don't and they they would dispatch at this point quite frankly. >> Well, we could do a dual role. >> Well, I'm just saying I will find out. I
wasn't here when you switched, but usually when when towns switch, it is cost savings >> um more than anything else. But, you know, as I said, I don't know why this I will find out. >> When I when I when I had the the police
committee last year, right, we were actually talking about this, right? But in order to have the dispatch here in town in police department, we have to have 24-hour >> standby. >> So that's going to cost money which is the employee and police can >> I remember your
>> we have to appoint somebody who's going to do actual dispatch not the police officer. It's a different duty. >> So I mean that cost money. Right now we're actually doing sheriff services with Bergen County with the uh servers and stuff. So >> So that's that's the big key.
>> You're right. I also remember that it was hard to find a part-time jobber for the midnight shift. >> Yeah, that's fine. But any we get you some answers. Thank you. Any more questions from the crowd? Of course, Ernest, you deserve five minutes, sir.
>> Yeah, I was not here the last time. I'll try to make it short. Yes. Uh the crossing guards that we hire, is there a uh limit or do they have to be at a position at a certain length of time?
Because the one by the high school is hardly ever there now. >> High school. >> He was there very good. In the beginning, he was there almost all day long. Now he's gone before the second group of kids come out of school. He's gone.
>> So I don't know if I don't know if they And we pay for this person. How much? I mean, how many hours >> have to be there? Okay. Uh the potholes. Yes. It's a major major issue. And we used to have a system that
used hot tar with a heated had a a plate that went right over the pothole. heat press. >> They fill the pot hole up with a hot pitch and they would come down and heat the whole area up so it would glue together with the old stuff. I don't
know if the town still owns owns that or not. Or why did we did we get rid of it? >> That worked. Could you could you add some input into this? >> You may not know we may not be here long enough for that. >> We don't have that >> no more. >> We don't have
any >> because I remember Um, remember police officer Ben um um Nelson? >> He used to operate that. >> I used to see he was he loved it. He operated that thing. It was great. But
that was before he was. >> Is that a hot box or is that a hot box? What is >> And what it does, it had had a gas flame. >> That's the one you're talking about renting. >> Is that the one you're talking about renting? Yeah, >> we used to rent that from Richfield. I
don't know. >> Oh, that I don't know either. >> They charge the price. But anyways, right now, right now we have shared service. Go ahead. What's your question? Go ahead. >> Okay, that's enough of that. On the on the potholes, there are places where if
you report a pothole and 24 hours it's not fixed and you drive over it and you damage your vehicle, the town is responsible. >> Yes. Is that the same case here? >> No. But no,
>> I don't know. >> I'll tell you. >> That's why you call. >> No. Okay. Here's the here's the the deal with because we're protected by title 59 >> and we get a lot of these tor claims for for potholes. If that if that person can
prove that we were advised about it and they didn't take action within a reasonable amount of time, >> then we could be liable. Nine times out of 10 from what I've seen recently um we either weren't notified about a
particular one and something happened because again can't be everywhere and you can't identify every one of them. So um basically that's it. You do you do have you're supposed to cure a situation if you have received official notice about it. But official notice doesn't
necessarily mean you call up you know you have to write something and would have to know >> like a complaint. >> In a complaint. Yeah. Basically >> like a paper complaint, >> but not somebody just telling councilman, oh, you don't >> get it done now. You have 24 hours. >> That doesn't count.
>> It has to be an official notification. >> Do we have that notification form? >> No. No. We're talking about like reasonable like you said, chapter 59. I think it's check 59A, but You're saying that at a reasonable time. They need to
have a prof official profess official form to say here is my promo complaint. Get it done. >> No, I said anything written. They don't have to have an official complaint. They have to have a written complaint. >> Written or email? >> Well, I think today they'll email and
put >> No, the reporting is they call to the DPW all the laws. Okay. So they keep the record when they receive that complaint. >> So DPW is the only person that knows it and the VA doesn't know about it.
>> If VA forget if the if the DPW is too busy and forgets about the complaint and you don't fix it within reasonable time, we get a lawsuit. >> I don't know if you could really I think that's a little broad. >> Well, I don't think it is because you know TPW is really busy and they do forget. >> No, I don't think so. I think they stay
right on top of it, Charlie. If it comes in, they go out to fix it. >> All right. Well, someone's going to be blamed if there's a loss. Now, sec secondly is that I Roberto, when you said that there's no way of finding out all the potholes, I totally disagree. The the the council
said there's 89 streets, >> right? >> I want the DPW to drive around 89 streets and find out where the damn pothole is. Do you agree? >> Yeah. Thank you. >> So, yeah, this time, yeah, we'll do like the patrol petrol in advance. So, we'll find out in advance before they call.
Okay. Anything else or anything? >> One one more thing. Uh you talked about um bills that come in from vendors. I think personally 90 days is too long >> and one vendor does not send out the
bill as soon as possible because they want to get paid. To have things more efficient, put at least 60 days on it. I think that's what it is. I think I'm going to clarify it again, but I want to make sure that Roy
understands what Roy said. What I heard, and correct me if I'm wrong, said was this. After 90 days, they're going to have to give it to us. If not, I'm going to give them a call and say, "What's going on?" >> That that's what I've heard. >> Now, if I if I didn't hear that, okay, if I didn't hear that, I think it's
sound to what I wanted from the the finance department is to don't wait for them. You call them. Now I say you better call them within three months if they don't give you the freaking >> that's too late. 30 days for me 30 days. I mean I was in business for now.
>> Well 30 days right years >> but sir but sir it takes one month for our meeting. You know that at the end of the month >> I realize that >> all right what else? >> That's it. >> All right anymore? I have a motion to close and come back to our work session. May I have a motion? Second. First by
second by Charlie. I have a motion to close and adjourn the work session. May I have a motion? Make a motion. >> Can I have a second? >> All in favor? >> I Guys, thank you very much.