Thank you very much. Um, council members, uh, I would like to have a motion to close the executive and come back to our work work session. >> I'll make a motion. Second, >> all in favor? >> Thank you for report. Let's start with our off consent agenda.
>> Off consent agenda resolution 2026 121 2026 temporary emergency budget appropriations. Hello. Hello everyone. So because we don't have the budget in place, the law requires us to do a
secondary uh emergency temporary budget. So before you you will see it's not 26 25%. Some of the percentages go all the way up to 100 which would be your pension payments that were due April 1st. The law does allow under statutory
responsibilities to make those payments prior to the adoption of this budget uh emergency budget uh temporary budget. So I would appreciate it has nothing to do with the 26 municipal adopted budget.
This is to keep the town running through approximately the end of June this year. So I would appreciate uh your vote on this. Um, I would like it to say it's operational, non-controversial. Um, when the budget comes, which will be
in the next couple weeks, then you can talk whatever you want, but this would be more operational. >> Council members questions. >> Thank you. >> I have a question. Um, last year we had
a 2025 budget introduced in April. Why not introduce 2026 budget rather than doing this >> because we don't have the budget in place because we have issues with the cap. And if you notice in Burton County, maybe 10 towns have adopt have
introduced. We're all in the same boat as I said last meeting. We're having problems with the cap. We're working on it. I have a meeting tomorrow with our auditors working on it. Um once we are in statutory compliance then I will be meeting with you the finance committee
and move forward. This should all occur probably within the next four weeks. That's why we don't have it yet. Council >> so so you so I guess May is the one that we're going to have 2026.
>> We should have something in May. No guarantees. Um we're trying our best to get something introduced in May. We're trying. We're having some difficulties with the fact that we can't pass the rising appropriations as well. That's that's that's a lot of
money that we have to figure out. We're working on it. Thanks. >> Question. So the actual resol um you wrote as temporary emergency budget appropriation. Usually it's a two separate thing. Uh either temporary budget or the emergency appropriation.
Why is it both? >> This would be temporary emergency because we're not going to go 2625 which was the temporary budget in January. It's another term emergency but it has
nothing to do with the 26 budget itself. >> But it the res says um now therefore be reserve resolved by the mayor and council borrow the council's part that the following temporary appropriation be approved as
the temporary budget effected January 1st 2026. >> Right. because we did the first budget. This is the second budget that's also going to be adding on. >> The best way to put it, councilman. Um, >> I'm going to make it up. We did like
$10,000. We did one. This is our second one. >> So, let me give you an example. I'm making up the line item. Say legal is 10,000. This here you're going to see attached is another 20,000. So what happens is this temporary emergency now becomes
30,000 when the auditors review the two temporary budgets as of if it's passed is next week they'll see $30,000 without appropriation. >> So the emergency appropriation usually is very strict right there right state
>> absolutely correct this is different uh councilman this is for the budget only it's not an emergency that's going to affect um funding for the next three years. >> It does not. You're basically just
funding the budget till June of this year. >> A promise. >> So why don't we introduce the budget then before >> it's not ready. Budget's not ready. >> So can we >> We're not in compliance as of right now. That's why we're doing a temporary
>> like you said there's >> so it's not emergency. The term is called an emergency in the statute. >> What's the emergency? >> You don't have a budget. >> You don't have a budget. >> You can't have a budget without can't
operate this operation operating system. You can't operate municipality without without a budget or temporary. >> Right. >> So, so you're saying we did the temporary budget already once, right? >> We did. >> Can you recall the dates? >> January. January 1st. You know, whenever
you did your your first meeting, >> we all prove that >> it was all approved. I looked every >> the first meeting in January. >> The word emergency. >> It's a statue. I can't change that. It's a kind of temporary the stat is pretty clear with the
emergency appropriation as a temporary budget. Temporary budget is is like you know um it's very limited for spending but emergency is very strict you know We take out the emergency warning. >> No, that's a statute. Why didn't you
change that? It's just a statute. It's a title. >> 27. >> What's the title on that one? >> Temporary budget appropriations. It's all right. It's all right. I'll let >> I remember that it happened in January as well. Um,
>> thank you very much, Roy, for the presentation. Appreciate it. and what's called um um council members. I want you guys to review this. Any questions, please give it to Roy this week. I don't want I don't want this to um ask questions during the regular session
because regular sessions when you decide uh to vote to say yes or no. This is the time to ask questions and you have the whole week. Um just in case Roy, are you going to be here tomorrow and next week? Yes, I'm here uh all next week. Again,
just for edification for the councilman, it is an emergency. That is what it's called in the statute. However, I want to make it clear, this has no effect on the final budget that we will do sometime between May and June. Thank
you. >> No more questions. >> Okay. It is a new problem. Okay. We respect the councilman means request and take out the emergency and just use like the
temporary appropriation if we >> well thank you thank you council I I'll do some research if I to make the stipulation I'll make I'll make it >> if I may there's no stipulation we're not willing to make right >> no not today I said >> yeah okay if I may we'll we'll clarify
everything for you but however please be advised that the the nomenclature the name of The resolution is basically irrelevant. It's just the naming of it. The body of the document cites NDSA48
col4-9 um and provides for temporary appropriations. Now therefore be resolved for everyone's purposes following temporary appropriations be approved as the temporary budget which is effective January 1, 2026. So we have
authorization in January to um pay bills. This is a continuation of that. Again the nomenclature on the top is the nomenclature on top. The body of the document says approved as a temporary budget. So what all this does is just
amends the initial temporary budget. So >> I will let you I will do I'll give you the response from the 4A but the answer to your question is it's it's the body of the document that >> So do you want to use the word as a temporary appropriation or temporary
budget? Which ones? >> Well that it is the budget appropriation. So I mean you're councilman and I we're fight we're now having a debate over the name of I'm not trying to fight. >> No, I didn't say fight. We're having a debate, which is what you're supposed to
do. Debate is >> because I I never never we never had the the title for that reszo as a temporary emergency budget appropriation. We usually had either temporary budget or the emergency appropriation >> and and because this is a workshop, we
will absolutely review it for you and get back to you in a day or >> sure. Yeah. >> Any more questions? >> All right. Thank you very much. Let's move forward to our second off consent agenda. Oh, you found >> Thank you.
>> What did you see over there? >> Form of emergency resolution. So, I guess when you do it first time, the the the title is different than the second one, but it's the same thing. It's a temporary budget resolution.
>> It's not. It's really just to be able to appropriate money so we can spend money to operate. That's just what it is. But again, let's not for labor it. We will This is a workshop. It is part of debate. we will answer the council's question and you know so we don't have
to you know delay the the meeting any further it's not being voted on tonight >> well the last question is if it doesn't pass is it basically like a temporary closure of the month until June if this emergency temporary appropriation
doesn't >> I have to ask you where that but >> but uh yeah the answer is yes would be operating you would be operating Roll that question. >> If it's not passed, there will not be a payroll the following Friday. I will not sign.
>> Got it. Thank you. >> Any more questions before we move forward? All right, let's go to the second consent resolution. >> Agenda resolution 2026-1 122 authorize the submission of the 2026 B County Open
Space Municipal Park improvement grant. Roberto, would you like to explain this? >> This grant is a continuation of the work that we are trying to do at Columbus Park and installing an outdoor fitness center, so to speak. Um, we we applied
for a u a certain recreation grant uh for $75,000. This is an additional hund something,000 through open space. We will have a public hearing on this at the regular meeting and then the minutes of that provided to the county open
space in order to go forward with this application. >> Thank you. We discussed this last last month about creating outdoor exercise equipment just like Edgewater and other luxurious towns. We want to make this town luxurious too.
>> A question. Um I I think this 2024 we had a $100,000 grant for Dolly P in this Columbus P. What happened? Well, that's the Dor pack door park that's being constructed now. That was the one where
you that was awarded on November 18th in 2025 to the lowest bidder and because of the winter they didn't start but they are going to I met with them a couple of weeks ago and they're going to be starting within the next week or so. >> So So that's that money.
>> Yeah. So this one is the same place but we have all >> different place same part >> same different equipment >> different I mean I understand the equipment but the >> okay basically what's the kind of you
know how do they divide >> no the doggy park is in one one location of the Columbus park it's going to be where the hill is going down >> left right >> but park is not that big >> doggy park is left and Yeah, >> it's it's it's okay. It's it works. It's
by the engineer, by the professionals. We're going to create a doggy park in one end and the other side we're going to have >> access to question. This is matching grant, right? >> Open space. Yes, we have money and
that's what this grant is for. >> Okay. So, one 170,000 from the uh from the grant and we have to one to one match, right? This is a percentage match on the open space. This is not the same as the public open space grant,
>> but if it is, then we'll have to bond that money. We have some money in bonds right now for Columbus Park and I believe that with everything both of them will be covered, but if they if they're not then
>> well, we don't have this yet. >> If it's approved and then we need the money, then we would put it in if we don't have it >> because we originally bond the money for the Columbus part for Doug, right? >> That money is existing, >> right? So once we spend money from that
bond, whatever the leftover we're going to cover, >> there's two there happens to be a couple there's another grant that I found that has money in it that money's already been appropriated for. So at the end of the day, once we see how much this cost,
we will have the money either from what's already there or we will have to put that money into a new bond. But since we are just applying for it, we have a number of months to figure out how we're going to do financially.
>> Now, we talked about this. It's not the first time. Last month, we talked about it. That's why she went ahead. >> Well, let me ask you a question about the matching rent. If it's 17,200, how much do you have to put in? Do you know? >> I just said I believe this particular
one is not 100% match, but I'll find out. >> Okay, great. And the concrete information, >> this was kind of something where we were trying to get this done within a certain time frame, just like the LI grant that we did for the first 75, >> right? Right. Because there's there's a
deadline. There's a deadline. There's a deadline to each grant. I said that. >> Um, and next time when we will get more closer to uh you know, receiving this grant, uh, the governing body >> the public hearing will have more information. This was How about you?
April 21 and then we put it on it was public hearing today. >> Okay. Okay. >> That's what I didn't want to say anything because it wasn't on here. I didn't want to overstep. So, >> right. So, but then when we meet again about this, there'll be more detailed information such as >> well,
they need the minutes from tonight's meeting, not next week. I don't want to go back and forth on that. It's not important. >> Important thing is if we need to have a hearing then yes, we have to have a hearing tonight. But there's no information on the grant unless it's here.
>> So we have to have a hearing tonight >> according to Sophia. Yes, we have to have a hearing tonight. Have to open it to the public for a hearing to vote on So if it's 170,200
right um I expect why it cost 170,200 some specs drawings >> what happened is our engineer provided the grant consultant with the drawings >> and all the money >> they figure it out >> okay >> that's how it works I don't figure it
out >> right can we see that though how they figure it out or because it's just a piece of paper and now I don't know where it was correct I we like it. I like it. I think the people enjoy it. >> That's what we thought. >> Right. Right. No, no, that's that's not
the point. Absolutely. We praise you for practically working on it when the dead deadline for the grant disappears. So, you did that for us. I appreciate that. But if you're going to pass this, do we don't we need a little more information on on why it costs over 7,200, what kind
of equipment, and you know, why it cost over 70,000. All right. So, Roberto, who who is correct right now? Do we have to or >> I well again the way this is written and from my understanding I thought we were doing it next week but Sophia is
reminding me that they needed this week to have um what do you call it? I could take a minute and go outside please please I'll be right back. >> Thank you. So there is a warehouse two down there
>> that says that >> April 21st >> says that there was a public without delaying this. Why don't you skip this and come back to Sure. back to Sure. Sure. Well, we're going to we're going to we're going to bring this back.
122. Let's move forward. Let's go with our consent. >> Yeah. Consent agendas. >> Consent agenda. Resolution 2026 1226- 141. service.
>> Oh, 124. Council members, resolution 2026-1 through33. Please take a look. Ask any questions. Yes. Proceed. Okay. On page 19,
K computer service. Um in January I don't believe IT consultant service is not being appointed and why this
you know kern >> it's okay it seems like we'll come back >> yeah it seems like concerning this it says we do have to have a public hearing so let's have a public hearing go ahead sorry I need a contract of service for this
year. >> Yeah, we're clean and also >> I'm sorry. What do you need from >> I need a contract contract and because I believe in January we didn't actually appoint K as IT computer service
consultant we did it uh if I recall uh and another thing is last page page 37 wheel this is for police trailer right I need the input
and also ride express I need in >> page 37 >> Will Scott that's the This trailer I don't deal already but they charge it. So I need invoice as well as right express.
>> Okay. >> Part of the settlement agreement with Gold. >> So what's the >> How much you save with with >> We saved over three we we saved over when we did the negotiations we saved over approximately $365,000
in overall costs. We saved over 365,00 So we settled it. The settlement is not a proverbial contractual excuse me the uh court claim settlement because the amount of monies
that we we ultimately resolved were within the original invoice. So we're not we don't have to we don't have to pay the remaindering balance of that. That's where we're getting that's where I believe that would be uh the
concluding uh >> three months >> of of the do of the concluding of the uh >> I think it was three months each month for 15,000 >> it was an installment payment. >> So so so then I like to have a invoice and also I like to have a whole
it won't be an invoice. No, but the settlement is the settlement is the is the it would be the >> um they may have a internal purchase order but there's not going to be a bill for will because it is part of the settlement >> then I need the total you know payment
that we pay to stop since the contract >> that's make that request >> 2023 >> before when do we make the settlement When was the settlement? >> We're about to close. Remember how we're
about to bring the >> last? I'm not going to discuss it. >> We resolved it last month. Okay, just very quickly, we had the contract. We had the money appropriated for Will Scott. We got out of the contract. It's
we're paying less than the contractual amount and therefore legally we're within that that pay the payments for the contract. So we are not going to be getting any additional invoices per se from Wilcott because
it's part of the settlement agreement and the settlement agreement is less money than we would have paid the contract. >> We negotiate with their attorney >> when the settlement was made. Let's say uh you said about a month ago, right? >> About I think maybe two.
>> Do we ever inform that the settlement will be this? >> Yeah, actually we did talk about I'm not going to go into everything, but we did talk about it. We notified the council that we saved approximately 300,000 that
was done by um Sprinty Angel's office uh worked that out. >> Unfortunately, I was not informed. I'm part of a police trailer committee. Whatever investigation committee, but
>> I was not informed. >> When are you when are you in a committee? Police committee. >> Police investigation. >> Oh, you mean last year? >> Last year, right? So, you guys understand that you guys also said yes to this. It was unanimous decision to
approve this. Do you guys you guys say no to the agenda to the settlement? The actual number wasn't out agenda. No, I don't know. I I know what you're saying. >> It's less money than it was. Well, I'll provide you. Listen, folks, it's very easy. I I can't print up here right now,
but I'll provide everyone with the die. >> It's fine to show. >> So, my my question was just No, I understand. We as a consort, right? We just want to know the fact that when you know when the settlement is happening, not the day day of when we're discussing about something.
>> Go ahead. >> No, you go ahead. I was saying the council was advised that we were resolving the matter >> right into the settlement. That's an actual number that's already the document. Again, the the number is irrelevant for
>> can the council because of the fact that it's still within the contract. >> The contract would expire. We have to pay a certain amount of money. Our burough attorney negotiated with their attorney, Will Scott. So he
had a question. >> No, not a question. Just set this mentioned to the council multiple times. >> Correct. >> It was mentioned multiple times. >> I remember that too.
>> And I actually followed up multiple times confirming the settlement status. So I I just want to set the record straight. >> Yes. And I also mentioned in public just like this and when I'm sitting down here that I'm very thankful for our counselors to negotiate for a cheaper
price. We save hundreds of thousands of dollars. I remember that. And I I don't know why the council members will have to go wait why how come how come this is good for the people and and I don't know why you would be arguing that the
council member our attorney negotiate with their attorney really really really tough actually to lower the uh the payment that we have to provide there. >> So, we just want to know the fact how much was been settled and that's all we need to know. I know we're going into
the settlement cuz we want to say much as we can, but we just want to know the actual number that how much has been settled. >> That's fine. But then you guys are saying when you guys how come you guys not allowing us to let us know >> anybody not notify the council here? >> No, we we talked about it. >> No, not talked about it. Did you get
that >> here? We talked about it here and I don't even know the actual thing. He I just said 360. >> We say about 360. I'm looking for the >> What is the reason why we're talking about this right now? We the attorneys negotiated with the trailer to save
money. I don't know why there's a problem here. >> Mayor, let me just make this point. There are multiple settlements that our attorneys are working on. So throughout the process, the council is informed of the progress that is made during the
executive session. So you have question of the status like the council member should ask just the way I asked. >> Thank you. I asked multiple times following up what's the settlement status >> and council do you know the exact amount >> the answer sorry the answer that I heard that they're working on it so you know
in some sense the council member has to take a proactive stat proactive action to understand the status and to the extent you think certain settlements are material yeah raise your hand and ask what the status is but during the executive session the council is
informed of material progress that's made on all the settlement agreements M correct me if I'm wrong but that is basically what the lawyers are trying to do during the executive session correct >> yes but again the do the the numbers the
number I'm just looking for the um the actual document while we're talking so >> available during the week >> yeah can can you guys just ask >> this look seems like the actual
settlement condition No, council Lee did not say that. Did not put her words in her mouth. But I agree with council. >> Councelor says it's already settled a month ago and >> you can talk whatever you want. Give me the opportunity. Council, all of you speak. Go ahead. >> So counselor over here, councelor Ross
says it's already been settled a month ago and council Lisa is working on it. What's going on? >> What she said, but she said that when she asked >> when I when I followed up, correct? when I followed up, which was probably a couple months ago, right? >> Yes.
>> Because Mr. Pro is not, >> right? I I have the number. >> I have the number. >> Yeah. Give him the number. >> $62,40.34. >> That's what we That's what we have to pay. >> How much did we save >> total? We saved $364,000
that amount of money. And this is a monthly that I believe we have to pay it monthly. And we negotiated to pay much. >> Yeah. Actually, here it is. March 1 15,000 5109. >> April 1, 2026, 15,5109.
May 1 uh 265,5108. June 1h 26 15,5108 for a total of $62,40.34. There's no reason for the council or administrative to to hide this information to the governing body. I
know that they've been working on it for months. I actually said it's a good idea negotiating with them because the trailer was clean. It was unused and and we we said we returned this a little bit earlier that the negotiation started >> and Mr. Ger just remind me tomorrow to
send out some of them to everybody. >> You got it. >> So are we So everything is settled now with the trailer, right? >> Not exactly. >> Well, we have to pay by the monthly. >> No, no, no, no. After that, >> the condition I mean payment is going to go anyway, right? >> That's it. Once once it's done, we're done.
>> So, are we are we allowed to uh uh give the reports out to the public about the treasure? >> I have a I have a summary the the internal documentation that can attorney client privilege. That's not my attorney climb's attorney cl. But we have a summary that
we prepare. You can get the you can get the report but you can't distribute it. >> However, the proposal uh agrees. Isn't it true that we can actually let release to the public? >> I I Okay, so the answer to your question
is that's debatable and the reason I say that is that the privilege runs to the public and not this body. It's a public priv it's a public privilege. So therefore there there are some cases
where no this council even if it voted it would be inappropriate to release documentation. Um and in this case um in discussion in consultation with Hollowback they believe that the internal matter um that the
investigation is an internal matter. We can provide you with the summary. I did ask them for a summary. They did provide me a summary which I can uh review and distribute. I can do deal with the summary that summary can be would be released to the public but the actual
internal I I spoke to this person and this person said this absolutely not that's and again it's not your privilege in my opinion that you can wait >> okay I I'll take both comments >> but you for >> okay so I would like to just reiterate
the history of this trailer this started out when Christopher Chaw was mayor The record states that Christopher Chong was thinking about this. They came to us when when when the police department came here to to demonstrate 20 of them
with our with with the with their facts toward us saying that they're getting sick by the mold. The whole problem with the mold was that the former administration did not address the most important prevalent reason why there are molds. It's the roof, the leaking roof. So many times we discussed when I was a
councilman when you weren't when both of you guys weren't there. So I'm telling you guys that's what happened. And we talked about the roof but it never happened. I don't know why. And then and then when I became the mayor they they start to demonstrate that they're getting sick. We fix the roof right now. We're compliant. There's no mold. We
have we're good to go. And and >> done several air in air in air quality test. >> Several air qualities. We're good to go. And then when when we were pressured by the pe by our employees to do something about it, I recommended it and I think I
don't know if whoever was there, Christine, were you there to prove it? >> You sure you went there to approve it? >> No. >> Okay. How about how about you? >> Councilman, Mr. Park was there. >> Oh, Park was there. >> Oh, was it Stephanie? >> Was there Stephan?
>> Okay, got it. So, maybe that's what you guys don't know. And then we had to do it. And then what happened was we got another bill from the people who were in charge of this. Um and one of the police department uh they decided to go I'll help you. Um we didn't ask them. They
voluntary said that there is a company there's only few companies one or two companies that provide these kind of uh trailer for police because it's a very special trailer where you need a cell you need a disin disinfect this interrogation all that kind of stuff. So
we said okay and these guys dropped the ball in my own opinion because when after after we agreed to say fine for the health of the police department we will have to do this cuz they're about to sue us or something and then and then and then when we did when we committed
to it right after that they said there are additional charges additional charges that came up to me over $450,000 600 thou between 400 to $500,000 we were shocked we were not preview you disclose that there's additional charges. Our
attorney Alan Ross said there is a law that states that any additional charges over 15% I still remember that has to be disclosed. So it was it was it was for me it was a trap and by then we start to address this. We address the mold issues. We address the fire code issues
that never been addressed since the inception of this building. We also address the building codes because it seems like as soon as uh the former former uh administration is no longer exist, we're getting all these complaints and and you know calls to
POSA. So we remember you guys were I don't know if you guys were there but there was like 38 POSA violations gave us and then now they have we have a clean bill of health. >> Now we have a clean bill of health. So why should we continue on installing spending extra five $600,000
to get that going? And then it was empty. And then we started to think, wow, we should how and I asked I asked I asked where were the ber was and I surely asked you Alan, can we make a deal to get rid of this fast because it's untouched. All right. So and then
then we started to negotiate for months and months and months and they saved $360,000. I see nothing wrong with this. I think we tried our best to mediate the loss of taxpayers money. >> We did otherwise we repay a million another another $360,000.
All right. If everything's okay, let's go to share services resolution. Is there any more questions about the consent agenda? >> Yeah, go ahead. The 2026-125
the authorizing extension of friendly retail consumption license. This is like transfer right. Why do you use the word extension? >> Yes, I got inform. >> Use the mic.
>> I got an inform from the ABC and we transfer this license but they need additional extension about this license. So ABC asked us to put it on the agenda to to make sure that >> because this license I cannot say in
public but it was sold by the auction so they transfer the process a little bit different than regular license >> so it's ABC it's a state and then we had to add it and then the resolution for this meeting
>> so actually the definition of extension and transfer is Right. The extension is like the original owner and the transfer can use both right extension but the the transfer only the one party the transfer
can use that right but this extension can mean both of them use the license >> because as I explained to you because this one was auction by sale. So meanwhile between the transfer the auction the license to the actual
license they have a little gap. So that's why ABC asking about this special that's why I put in the question. >> Okay. Does council has authority to reject this kind of transfer or just to say yes.
>> This is depends on you but most likely our >> normally would reject it. We don't there be no reason to do that. So anyway just one party can use the regular license right not both of them
that's what you're saying right >> he's saying that he's asking if only one party needs license ter So this one is like only the one party can use it after make.
>> Okay. >> Sure. Go for it. Um I got going to 2026-126 authorizing Chamber of Commerce Springs Street Festival. Um I love this idea. I love that we always constantly have this street
festival to try to bolster the business. Um my concern is that the chamber of commerce will be and historically has charged a significant amount unfortunately to the broad businesses.
Um currently this year they do plan to again have fees to charge the broad businesses in order to participate in the street festival. And I believe this whole this entire premise of the festival is to help draw business and
build the businesses up, not charge them and kind of take money out of their pockets. I'm asking if that's a possibility where if we do approve this, we ask the Chamber of Commerce to eliminate fees for vote out businesses because that's why we did the free part. That's why we're doing this because
they're suffering right now. If we're going to charge them a fee, it's an extra hit that they shouldn't have and then they're going to lose their money for the rest of the day, right? In terms of their revenue and expected revenue because now you're expensing X amount for the fees. So, you heard from because I I know that council p you've been very
handson with the commerce. Were there comments that saying that you know that the fee is a little too much and the economy is not good? >> Well, I mean I hear from the when we first started doing this when we heard of the spring spring street festival during the 125 which was two years ago
we had that great street festival and we started running around town and asking everybody hey would you like to participate? By the way, we're also not charging any of the broad businesses because we wanted to help the businesses, right, for that street festival to participate in our event. But when we were going around, it was
actually at the same time that Chamber of Commerce was also asking them for something else because they were folding in their street festival with ours. >> And because of that, they were asking the the businesses for fees and actually significantly high from what I remember.
>> I believe 250 to 300 And so my concern is that if you're going to do something for the businesses, do something for the businesses. Don't make money off of it. Don't profit off of it. I understand Chamber of Commerce has to
self- sustain itself in some way, but that's what your golf fundraisers and all those other things are for, but that's not what this is for. >> If you want to really appease and try to help the businesses and help the businesses, I believe, >> I think you can take a hit to not
require blessing. that you're not having to pay and take money out of their parkings while they're already suffering. >> We're doing everything we can as a municipality to try to help them with free parking and trying to promote their businesses through social media and every other initiative that we're trying to do. If you're going to try to take
>> while trying to expose and build up the business, it doesn't make sense. >> I agree with too if the business are not making if they're spending all their money that they're making on the fees, I mean that's not That's not good either.
We want them to prosper and if you can't only eliminate the fee when the can significantly reduce it. >> Yes. >> Okay. In this application, it shows on last day of the
this event they asking us to the black streets. >> Yeah, I just I just read that right now. That's that's never been done. And that I have a problem with that, Charlie, because because when when any other
entity that comes to us to to uh use a public space especially when you're blocking the streets I firmly believe the authority should be belong and that uh prerogative should be only for the burrow for the burrow that's what we'll
be doing for the 125th anniversary we do one block party last year was very very good so I if we allow I agree with you Charlie if we allow any other outside needs to say, could you block the road? Could you block the road? Oh, you blocked for him. How come you don't block for us? That creates a big
problem. >> Let me also ask in terms of that um what are the logistics of getting that done? Is it an arduous process because we have to speak to DOT for the bus routes? You have to coordinate special police and police officers and
things like that and overtime. I'm not sure. I'm just asking if that's a if that's a hindrance. Well, besides the hindrance, we should really firmly have a rule that unless like I agree with Charlie is that unless we sp we are sponsoring it, we are conducting it.
There's other organizations that helping us that's fine because it's the borrow activity. If you let any other entity go, hey mayor, why don't you block this road for me because I want to do that. Oh, wait a minute. You do that for somebody else that could create a problem for us. I am totally against that.
>> Charlie, how do you feel? Furthermore, those whether we block the streets, okay, whether it helps the business promote or not, okay, but I heard some complaints
that the store owners because of the blocking like restaurants, the customers can come in and they they see the reduction of their sales. So there is a complaint like that too. >> And also I Yes, I agree with that.
subconscious when we do that once a year block party. It's it's part of not only for the commerce but for our community to come together show unity that we could all share something together. But having said that I'm always conscious about the neighboring restaurant like
you said they're going to do bad business because the people don't want to be there because it's too busy. parking and and also I also agree with council council Frank Avenue and Chris Clark that when we passed a resolution to help the commerce to reduce the uh
you know the payment of the parking fees and make it free parking to promote the commerce because when we're walking around I think I think uh Christy and I we walked around and we noticed that everybody was suffering because of a lot of reasons not only because the economy
right um um they don't want to come here for other reasons such as you know um you know it's uncomfortable to park my car here but mostly there's ice coming in here and I noticed that when I when I asked a broker that there are multiple restaurants that we feel dear and unique
to this town is up for sale when I saw that that's when I said you know what my gosh when I'm going around with Chris trying to give ICE information right what to do and what not to do we realized that these guys were really hurt and and very prominent restaurants
here and businesses that we love and enjoy that is very unique to this town is up for sale. That's when I said guys um that's when we actually um the police department and the police committee we sat down carefully we talked about it
and we went down to commerce and Chris and I we did it again. We have a list of like three pages worth of commerce, their name and their phone number and majority 90% I think at least said that yes that would help. That's when we said
okay let's get this going with the majority of the councils we approve that and why because we wanted to help and foster the bad business. Thank you. So we were doing that and that's why Chris said you know what we should help them out. Why are we
charging them? Why are they charging them? So this is a problem for me and I think the US have to think about this. >> You know what I'm suggesting is I don't see there is anything here. So what I'm
suggesting is I think you know I did. I I I'm sorry. Council woman. I'm sorry. I did ask actually. And so their their fee, what I asked, what I found out was $300 for outside businesses and
$150 for uh for the businesses in town. >> Now, I think that's pretty high, >> you know. And it shouldn't just if we're doing anything, it shouldn't be it shouldn't be a fee at all. >> All right? >> You know, I mean, we're we're our focus
here is to revitalize and bring back and save these businesses that are drowning at a worst very tumultuous economic time, right? You got gas $5. You got energy bills that are going crazy. Can you imagine how their rent must be here
plus their fees plus employees that are dealing with ice? So you have a myriad of problems here if you're a business owner because of the current state of the of the nation. So we're not focused on revenue focused
on the people. That's what I want to do at least. >> Did you I think that's a good point. Did you raise that to the president chamber of commerce? >> Once I found out I asked him um if we could and he said it'll be back.
>> All right. Anything else? >> The uh 2026-137 approving the payment. Did we approve the using of this paving company for the
>> This was the 137. Yes, we received the various quotes at the previous meeting for doing these days. Okay. But uh yeah when you do okay this
kind of paving things when you schedule this please discuss with DPW okay DPW has their own like the part schedule >> but why they didn't know about this >> this paving was done
>> they worked with me to get this done because we needed certain equipment >> Charlie on the culprit oh yeah when we had 10 years every 10 years we had 40 inches of snow. We we we don't have the equipment to fix the potholes to satisfy
the needs of the people. That's very easy. We couldn't do it. And and and as you know, the DPW don't have the proper equipment. We don't have a roller. All we do is just brush out the debris and try to put hot patch or cold patch and stamp it or do that thing. We needed
professional help. I think we all agreed we needed professional help. It was bad. After just continuously plowing for days and days when we had torrential more than 40 inches of snow, it was a mess. Not just our town and real town. Unfortunately, Fortunately for 40, they
have the equipment. We didn't. But at the same time, we kept investing on the equipment. That's going to happen every once and once every 10 years. This is something that I talked to Roberta and I said, "Guys, let's try to fix this fast so we get the PE people satisfied
because it was such a mess. work for the DPW. >> Yes, the DPW is there too. >> DBW was taking care of things that they could take care of, but they didn't have the equipment for for a saw to cut a scrap a square, take it out, put some uh
cement, some pebbles, and then lay it out and then put a roller in there. >> Yeah, I know what happened. So, I recommend you discuss and you cooperate with DPW together. Okay. >> Right. Right. >> Thank you. Can I add that the sections I saw that it's very good very very good
made a big big difference like some I just I said my wife said this is good >> what they had intended to they were very nice while they were out there because certain residents came out they did do
extra that we didn't pay for >> guys this is a cooperation that happened and thank you for noticing um we were outside in the middle of the snow me and Charlie through DPW and we saw that it was it was it was immense and we needed
the help from everybody there actually people volunteering with with the plow truck even the police department and did a fabulous job matter of fact in my Facebook I think that's the most highest hit I think I got 800,000 hit almost getting almost getting paid for a
million hit they loved it and you're part of that too so thank you >> thank you to DP >> thank you to DP W the police and the volunteers that help us with the plows. Any more questions? >> I have a question. 132.
>> This is awesome. >> Yes. >> Hiring. Can we offer him benefit? He says authority hours. >> Authority hours. >> No benefits.
>> No benefits. He does not need our benefits. >> Okay. And then what happened to the I don't know >> right >> I we were paying them strictly for their license because you need to have that to
be um I guess abiding by the state law that requires a certified public works manager's license to be in your DPW with the superintendent and uh period of time
which is two years when somebody leaves that you have to fill that was ending. So Kier was nice enough to have their license there and their uh public works manager would come at least once a week
to do all the things with the men and with Ken. Uh it's not enough especially because Ken is not leaving. This gentleman has the license, will be there, and he is also going to be working part-time hours
to help us build up the DPW in his absence. >> So, so the call that we borrowing the license from and they >> they know they as of the end of this month they're done. >> Any more questions?
>> Question. So, this person uh depart superintendent in current working DPW. >> No. >> No. >> End of December. >> Any more questions? >> Uh 139
for the library 139. I just had a question. I saw that Westcraft was unable to uh put in the bid correctly by not having a subcontractor for an electrician. If they do, is there a relication process in these days because the
>> the expense numbers aren't denied because there there was a material defect they didn't have. >> Oh yeah. So yeah, we we we basically they were not qualified. Okay.
Reject the bid was rejected. >> So you reviewed that the rejection of the um sub code. Okay. electrical sub code then we denied that reject >> let me ask okay actually this company
was a lot of a lot higher right against the compared to the sector the the company rejected right >> yes >> the reasonable reject is okay they that
company didn't submit the subcontract service right >> actually uh this engineering company asked to submit that information but they didn't respond for that right
>> you know you're not allowed that's not insurable >> that the supplementing of a >> subcontract is not a permissible supplement. There are things you can supplement certain signatures or
you could accept and whatnot but that is that that is something that that is a um something that can't be cured the sub the sub is okay the the
rotor is supposed to submit the subcontract name to us right yes >> but he didn't do that >> that's correct So we asked to give that information
and just waited two days then they they never they didn't respond. So there is no respond and just rejected. But is there any possibility we wait some more days and get the subcontract list again
then we can save a lot of money. you know how much money we can save >> but it's not that's submitting if they didn't submit the name of the sub code the subcontract that is a not as a not curable defect they can't submit once once they submit once they file the
document that's something that can't be cured it can't change >> no that's true but I think the other issue is the estimate that the uh architect had given was much higher and they were very surprised
that this bid came in at that price. That was, you know, a little unusual to have such a significant difference between them and the next highest bidder and the one after them. Um, so in any event, that would not have mattered had
their bid been correct. But since it was not correct, it was determined by the attorney. more questions. >> Okay, I have some questions on the resolution 136-1 130 and 131. Please uh Roberto tell us
some good progress that we're making. >> Um well 131 unfortunately we did not receive any bids last week for that project. We had gotten an extension this was 24 that we would have
lost but we were able to sign it. We got an extension. We went through all that. >> We have the bid opening. There were no bids. So now we have to redid um that project. >> Wonder why there was no >> there's never an answer to that. You
know today you think people are dying to do work or whatever but there only three people questioned only one person picked up and nobody showed up. What is this project composite? >> I want to ask you um
uh from Washington to >> I think yeah >> because there's three stages there's three different broads 2025 >> is to open >> that's the next one this is the one the
year before that was never done and so um this will All of them in will be in conjunction with at the end of the day the large one >> the 1.4 million.4 billion one so that all the lights will be the same all the
sidewalks will be the same all the decorative issues will be the same >> walking walking lights and everything. >> Well I didn't I didn't see the final plan but those should be in there because one of the reasons that it was held up is because they couldn't get the electrical whatever reason that
particular was not able to get the electrical information that they needed to finish those drawings, which held it up quite a few months before it was sent to the DOT. So, the DOT is at the final stages of review. As soon as they're finished, we can go out to
>> I just want to tell everybody in the audience right now and the council members, Broad Avenue is kind of worn down even though it's clearly much cleaner than before. Um there's less drunks because thanks to Sangi uh Council President Sangi's initiative to reduce the alcohol consumption from 7
a.m. to 10 a.m. So there's no shaking people that need their dose of alcohol were addicted to compromise part. You won't you'll definitely see less drunks and people passing out on Brad Avenue, but more than that, every every time that I went to for me and I'm sure
everybody else agrees, 40 main street is so much it looks so much better, right? So, we're trying to do that in stages with grants. All right. And so, so we won't burden the taxpayers, but at the same time, we could definitely see a transformation of Broad Avenue. We do
something better, something updated, something more more encouraging, and something more welcoming. Uh there will be there will be decorated lamps, there'll be more benches, the sidewalk will be prettier. So matter of fact, the rest the business could actually put tables like for Lee. I think one of the
reasons why the business don't want to put any uh tables outside even though we're giving out free permits, right? Remember that um they just don't feel that it's that clean. So we want to show Broad Avenue to be more updated, more modernized and and for not only for the
customers to come enjoy, but the residents to come enjoy. And this has all been sections. The last one is $1.4 million. It goes from Brand um from Broad Avenue to Central and perhaps all day to brick or or Henry depending how
much we have. So this is our stages and I hope you guys are happy to hear that. That's why I want to explain that. Um I have another question. Um that will be how much is a contract for share services between Burough and Fairview
post resolution 124. >> Um this uh contract is the exact same thing as the last one. >> Okay. >> None of the money was changed. The hours were exactly the same. It's the same one
only because the other one expired. and the B of Fairview had approved theirs on March 17. So now we're doing oursel since they have to do it first the host. >> Got it.
>> Dispatch service sharing the dispatch service with county. How much they pay for them? >> You have the county. >> Yes. The dispatch service. I mean we use the county dispatch >> 911. 911. >> I do not have those numbers. Council,
I'll be happy. >> Let me know later. >> Yeah, >> good. Thank you. >> Any more questions? >> All right, great. Um, I have one more resolution 127, operation of handicap parking space. I need Roberto contact the police director and find out what
our rule is of allowing handicaps or not. very has to have a very clear rule because last time we denied a couple of applications because for example the owner had plenty of interior private parking spaces but they came to us and
said give us a a you know handicap and we found out that they they have four parking spots and they still want extra parking spot as a handicap. So we said no you need to use your private thing. So I want to know what the rule is that the police is dictating.
the new one that >> if you can find that for me >> regulations because I do have a sheet >> we included some of that about saying that they have to prove that there's no
reason that they can't their own >> okay anybody else go ahead >> the uh our town you You know how many hands were there? >> Uh you know on the facts what is it? >> 55 50 >> 55 handic
>> including some schools. Okay. So but I don't see any decrease of the numbers. Okay. When the handicap people move out or something and disease that happened we have to close that
we have to keep tracking for that. >> There's a fine that we put in the new ordinance. The police please police created this program. You should talk to Jimmy and then George Beck and uh the director. Okay. Um they have to report. If they didn't report, there'll be a
fine and then they'll do an upkeep every year or two. All right. Any more questions about the resolution? Great. Council reports. >> Oh, thank you for reminding me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Sophia. Last
but not least, resolution 126-122. According to our bur attorney, it is required that in order to pass this Berkeley County Open Space Municipal Park grant that that will install ext for our residents to enjoy just like
Edgewater, right? We're trying to improve here and um it seems like it requires that it has to have a public hearing to receive public comments on the proposed park improvements. the application 21 on April 21st on the 26th. Today is the deadline. So we have a motion to close and open to the
public. >> I'll make that motion. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. All in favor? I >> public if you want to ask any questions about resolution 2026-122 >> specifically of the obtainment of a
grant >> to to install outdoor exercise equipment for the public for our residents. No. Great. I have a motion to close and come back to our work session. >> Thank you. I have a second. >> Thank you. All in favor?
>> All right. Great. So this is okay now. >> Good. Now we have to vote on this. Okay. Uh because of the uh uh the time of the essence, it has to be done today. Um we don't usually do this on a work session, but I will take an exceptions. We have a
motion to pass this resolution so we can provide exercise equipment and activities for for our residents. >> I'll make the motion. >> Thank you, Frank. You have a second. >> I'll second. >> Thank you. Roll call. >> Donna, you >> it's I just don't want to go into this.
Just want to let you know this these equipment is for the health of the community. Correct. So that you're out there instead of when you're on your walks and such. We have this a lot in Korea as well and you see it in Veterans Field in Edgewater that right in the front you have all that, you know,
exercise equipment. I think this is a great initiative to uh for residential health and I would like to see everybody be in shape. I would like to see we have a lot of seniors in our town as well. So, I want them to be moving. The one thing I know from all of my family
members who had multiple strokes as you get older, you have to keep moving. That's the one thing that you have to do because if not, you just get sick and your body withers much quicker at a very very alarmingly scary rate. And so, I
ask you, let's let's push this agenda along so that um we can have a healthier PA park. And I want all my seniors to be okay. Eat healthy, live healthy, please. I would like to see you guys all here. So, yes, >> council me.
>> Yes. Make sure we get notified of this this grand or 50% whatever that is. >> Yes. >> Council. >> Yes. >> Okay. The offer of the resolution 2026
stage 122 is carry. >> Great. Now, reports. Any report? Let's go with Let's go with Sang if you don't mind. Um, council president, would you like to do a council report now or you'll do it next week? >> I'll provide my report next week.
>> Thank you, Charlie. >> Yeah, let me tell you for the DPW. I'm in charge of DPW. Okay. And for the DPW, the critical issue is the part problem. Okay. As the mayor told before, we don't have
any equipment. Okay? So, we used to rent or just to do by hand. So, even this year, we don't have equipment. So, the believe or not the DPW people go to the hot patch selling company and they take
the hot patch and before it become cool, they come down and put on the hot ball. Okay, that's the way they are doing right now. So that hot patchy company starts working in the winter time. They don't work because of the hot patch
becomes poor easier. Okay. So they started work from the April 1. So April 1 actually we started to fix the potholes and in March the meeting I promised we'll fix all the hot hot
potholes by end of April. Okay. So I think we fixed the about 80% of potholes so far. So we we I'm sure we can finish the ple fixing by end of April we
promised right >> so we'll fix all the pathos by end of April as we promised and furthermore furthermore unfortunately our DW system
was for part I named I named like is for the ple problems they maintain this you you tell ple we fix okay so unless there is a report they didn't fix before okay
now I'd like to change okay we find ple and we fix it okay so you before you find the ples we'll fix in advance that's what I'm trying to do in thank Council P. >> Uh thank you. Good evening everybody. Um
first right off the bat actually I do want to thank you uh Councilman Shin for all your hard work for I do apologize. I kind of went a little rogue and not notified the DPW that I was doing this, but I promised with my constituents um
that was one, you know, to fix the infrastructure. So, for the past week, um you know, last week I drove around all through every single street of Palestinian Park. Every single one, every single dangerous intersection, every single street, every avenue from
commercial all the way up past Bergen onto 13th and 14th Street from Edel to Oak Henry, Harriet, all over the place. Oh boy. We now have a master list of an Excel sheet that I can actually provide for the municipality which will make sure that we have an updated list from
priority high, medium to low of every single pothole, every single area of dangerous intersections, every single part where we have any infrastructure improvements required. We also took thousands of pictures so that we have a record. So when you go to sixth street
between Ed I'm sorry between central and brinkhoff you see the picture okay on this street in front of this house number we have a pond in front of this place there's no storm drains and so we created that so that the town can finally have a master list so that the town can benefit and make sure that
finally we we know what's going on what's being done what can be fixed what's priority right and that's one thing um and so I apologize councilman Shin I I didn't I kind of did that on on my own. I apologize. I'm sorry. >> It's a good job. It's a good job. A hard
job. >> Problem is the very critical issue every councilman worried about. Not only you, the councilman worry about that too. So, >> yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. I just apologize. I didn't know you were helping us. >> Um, so a couple other things we have
going on, recreation. Uh, we also we have a great Memorial Day festival that we're gearing up for. Memorial Day parade. We're working throughout the throughout the clock. Uh our great bur administrator has been actually helping to find vans because it was a little lacking last year. Not going to lie. We
had a little ban, but I want it to be grander and better. And that's something that Mr. Stern has been helping us so much for and the mayor has actually been helping us assisting in getting that to happen and in terms of finding organizations. Great cars, Joe Swaza. Thank you so much. last year. Um, and so
I'm going to do we're having that coming up. Uh, that's May 25th. 9:30 we'll be meeting up and I believe 10:30 we'll be starting our march 10 a.m. 10:00. Uh, we'll be going from Roth and Ruby all the way over to uh and circling around
our route to go right in front of the burrow. Um, we also had a great Easter festival uh Easter Day from the recreation department. A lot of people came out. That was the first time we did it at the high school. We're going to tweak it a little bit so that we can
organize it a little bit more and uh make sure that we have great events for you. We also have a couple things that we're working on um from the hotel heroes band which is a we have a lot of towns that h that highlight their veterans and service members whether
they be fire department, police department, EMT, armed forces, marines, navy, air force, all of that. Um, our wonderful, wonderful woman in our recreation uh, department, Mrs. Lisa Ardier, actually thought of this to bring this up to me and I really wanted
to push it and get this going. And with the help of Mr. Donn actually and everybody else, she's garnered a massive list of interest um, of of family members who have lived here and who live here and have, you know, lived here previously that have service members
from Palisades Park. And so we're going to work on creating that. It's going to be a self-sustaining community forward program so that this program and these banners can stay up in our streets and we can really honor you know our service members. So that's another thing. Um we
have a couple ideas in terms of uh uh well also just to say as well for the recreation department. I apologize I have a lot of things but uh we have the street festival coming in September. Anybody who has a business, anybody who has any friends who have a business, who small business that would like to put up
a table, please contact me, please contact Lisa or Maria Alvarez. Um, or just reach out to me directly. We will help you with getting everything done. The town is been very gracious enough to wave. If you're a food vendor, we're going to wave the fire department fee and the health department fee for that
day. We are working on making sure that you have great great street festival. This has been one of the greatest events that we have in our town. where we draw a lot of people in, we help the businesses. We're trying to really do our best to have more community
events so that we don't divide, but we unite. And I think that's really the most important thing now more than ever, especially with the state of the union. And so I think right there for now, that's all I have.
>> Thank you. I like that banner. It shows a picture of the veterans. >> Um they're respected. You see them in 4D? >> Yes, >> you guys are benchmarking it. So, thank you very much for being directed. >> Oh, I have I'm sorry. >> Yes, the pool swimming pool is going to be open. So, June 29th, we also have a
family >> June 29th. >> Yes, June 29th, we have a family swim night. That's is happening as well. So, please be aware of that if you just want to come. If you're a Palisad Park resident, it's free for you. We'll have some food. Come out and swim. Come out and t. Come out and enjoy. >> June 29th is the beginning of that. It's
the welcome party. Which one is that? >> That is our welcome party family. Okay. Correct. Family fun night. Yes. >> And it's free for everybody. Free are there. They could swim there and try out our own Olympic size pool. >> Yes. And we also have a water slide as well. Great things for the kids
>> or adults. >> Um Roberto, are we having the splash pad for the kids by then? >> Excellent. Thank you. >> And Robera, thank you so much for relighting the pool. Thank you for that. >> Council quickly because I know audience
wants to participate u I'll be reading a letter next week I thought it would arrive by now and um whenever anybody from the schools ask me for assistance I try to rectify it I got assistance from from councilman quad and uh so they're very the advisor to the senior class is
very pleased that there will be a pool party for the seniors in the high school I I reached out to the superintendent on numerous occasions given my phone number but they don't seem to want meet with me. So, I'm being very honest. >> But you're doing good. You're doing
good. >> But if they ask me, I will insist. >> But that I think that's the first time a senior had that kind of opportunity to have a swimming. >> No, they've had they've had the party before, but it was free of charge. This time they were going to be charged. >> I don't know. I mean, I understand
there's financial reasons for this, but they u for this this year at the least at the very least, they will be having their Junior party. Thank you very much for that. Crazil one. >> No report. >> Okay, great. I have no report too. Now,
let's go with our attorney report. >> Sir, >> nothing more than what we just did about affordable housing. >> BA report. >> Uh, mayor, is that too much? Just uh hopefully I'll have a little more information next week. Uh, but we are
moving ahead quickly with all the work. Uh, the painting is just about finished. I asked him to give me a definite idea of how many days the paint needs to be pure. I don't want to put any water in it until I'm sure that um so
everything's moving along nicely. The uh pump house um we're waiting for the delivery of the new filters, but they've done a lot of the um the installation of some of the piping and everything else, but it'll be
finished once the I have a question here. Uh since I was in the ceremony, I know that uh the soldi system in Paris P is
just it was installed in 1968. So it's like a 12 in pipes, right? So there were a lot of the flood case every year we have flood case because of that small pipe sewage system. So uh the
congressman high. They took some kind of million dollar rent for us to expand that pipe to the double size 24 in. Right. Right. But uh some residents questioned about that million dollars that that million dollar should be
reimbursed to the grant to the government. It's just borrowed the money not the grants. There is some so some residents asked about this. So you verify we should we reimburse that $1 million or just we can use that million
dollar to expand the sewage system. >> Well I I I have a personal relationship with Josh Godhammer. We applied many many towns applied for that grant. Every town has a right. Josh Godhammer chose us because he agrees with the reform
that we're taking. Things are getting good in Pal's Park. We realized that we have a lot of flood issues and yes um and then thanks to our relationship with him he provided us with $1 million grant money. >> It's not matching >> and and by the way to answer your
question I'll answer it myself. It is you don't have to return it. It's a million dollars that we keep and we're going to use that to expand the bottom portion of Grand Avenue where all the water comes down the storm water drain line and that's that's 12 in 12 in to the amount of all the rain that comes
down. No wonder it floods in Grand Avenue the PPW always have to go and and loosen it up that whole place that that whole line the main line that everybody drops to is too old the sediments it breaks down it clogs up. Thank God for Josh Carver recognizing our reform and
things are getting in the palace part. He awarded us a million dollars and it's a grant. You do not have to pay for it. Thank you for that. >> So I don't pay even single dollar tax for that. >> You don't have to pay a single dollar of cash. Matter of fact, uh Charlie
Deputy mayor, we compiled close to $3 million of grant money for the past two years. That's unheard of in Pal's part. So I think I think Thank you for mentioning that. And I think I think we should be all proud of ourselves. Um, are we okay?
>> Yes. And the second question, when could we the lighting the signal in broad avenue to protect the pedestrian will be installed? >> You mean the Grand Avenue five? >> I have been in touch with Senator
Johnson's office and unfortunately the D has not given them much more of an update. They they keep telling them it's coming. We're working on it. I do not have a date, but we've been checking with them on a regular basis. >> How how do we push that? Because he came
to us >> go to the I don't know, maybe the next one is the governor's office, but I mean, you know, Senator Johnson's been on top of it. His office stays on top of it. I just think that right now the DOT is overwhelmed for whatever reason.
They've been working on the intersection of U Central and Grand Avenue that started last year when I attended some of the meetings. All they're doing is spending money with engineers. I mean, you know, we've given them a lot of
information and now that probably won't be done until 20 2027, maybe 2028. They spending all this time and yet to finish those five crosswalks for us. I I I
don't know what to say. We we do I've been asking him to stay on top of it. We have emails back and forth, but I do not have a date. >> Okay. Find out some way to exploit It can save one more life. Okay, >> I agree with you, but maybe we just get
>> came here involved. >> We honorly thank him. He said, "I'll get it done." I firmly believe Johnson is a man of his word. >> He is. >> And at the end of the day, if if we have to write a petition or if I have to send the email to him, give him a call. >> I'll go to another senator's office.
>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Are we good? >> Senator Lugano, as a matter of fact. >> Good. All right. Good. Um I I I hope you guys understand that right now we're doing um addressing the flood issues. We're having a lot of flood issues. I've noticed that duplexes that
cost over a million dollars, right? The highest duplex that has been sold is $1.8 million. It's crazy. Half a duplex. But yet when we went to uh the complaints of the residents, they invested on duplexes with mult multi-million dollars, but there is no
storm water sippish drain where all the rain comes. Only one side. So, I'm thinking to myself, how does this happen? How do they invest money on a house and when when it rains just a little bit more than normal, they automatically flood? So, we started to
get grants. Roberto, good job with the grant supplement. We are right now, we just finished First Street, Second Street. >> We just finished First Working on First, >> First Street, Second Street, and we're doing Fourth in Highland. >> Highland does have a lot of drainage, but that is paving. >> So, the residents are very happy there.
Um, and you can see that and so So I have a I've been talking to Roberto of a 10y year pro program plan that by 10 years we should address all the floods and cip streets. We have enough of that and we should be updating our our our our storm water storm line and we're
looking on that too. And right now Allan right now is working hard to create an ordinance where if there's a new development whether it's a home or a office or a building or commercial they will have to provide a per test. Per test is not mandatory. What a per test
is is a per a per permeable test is percolate test where they measure the amount of water that comes out to the soil and how much it absorbs and how long it lasts in the soil. If it doesn't matter if you have a civage pit, you know those big ones with the cement with
the new homes. If the soil quality is bad, the soil quality is is is clay, it will just go right through it and it will just not help when we're retaining the water. So Allan is right now working on an ordinance to mandate that every development should really have a perk
test and and also we are trying to see if if there's a wall that during the uh where the uh roof roof uh the gutters >> go connected right down to the uh storm storm water drain line so it doesn't come out into your home and create a
flood. So we are really working hard with the uh flood issues that we're having every single year. That's about it now without there's no police report. There's nobody here. Um engineers not there. Without further ado, it's 9:00.
Thank you for your patience. We have a motion to close and open to the public. >> Thank you. Second. All in favor? >> I. Please come up. You raised up. You have three minutes. You can speak whatever you want, sir. But please, please give us your name and address. Victor
one second. Victors. Penro way >> and where >> Penro Pe. Okay, I got you. >> Go ahead, sir. >> This is for the
uh ordinance 20265. >> Yes, >> this is the location of the block 734 block 7 away. Good evening everybody. Major consultant uh claudo
administrator. Uh I'm here tonight presenting the neighborhood and the concern that president of policy park regarding the ordinance 20265
authority the cell of the block 734 lot 7. We down in fear opposition of this self. First we must uh be addressed of a value of transparency many of many
of who in the immediate community were not properly uh notified. That's public asset wasp put in the market public land belong to the taxpayer and the decision to devest from this
should be involved the voice of those we live here next to it. Uh we have several questions that the conceal must answer before moving forward. Uh justification
for the cell why is the b to sell this specific property. Now, uh public boo determination uh under new law, you must prove this line is no longer need for public boo.
How can you make that claim when Paris Park is notorious for service in green space and our public school system is already full capacity in preitude and safety
broker way to know why now the increase of traffic or density that a apartment complex will bring has a study conducted for this uh narrow
corridor Sony consistency in this cell consists with the master plans. We we ask for clarification of the correspond. Uh this line is currently a relief for
our neighborhood. Uh if the guru trify to accept property, we suggest it to be permanently preserved as a public park. Our children need more place place to
place in our neighborhood need less congestion. We the council to table this ordinance meet with the resident of perway and reconsider the longterm value of
keeping this land public hand do not trade this charact for one time self thank you okay
Let me go ahead of what happened. The story happens like this. We I don't know if you guys know, but we had a building remedy lawsuit happen. We didn't comply with the New Jersey affordable housing act. Every single town in each New Jersey have to provide 20% of
developments that go over five units. So if someone buys five units uh builds five units one unit 20% has to be affordable for seniors veterans disabled whatever you know low and low and
moderate income the past 20 years park has not been compliant and when I came into administration I got hit it seems like when I became a mayor I'm here to clean house which I'm trying to do much as I can to reform but we had to address
this. So what we're thinking about was this. What land do we have that we could develop to accommodate this affordable homes? Because think about it, if we had just for example 100 affordable unit requirements for this year, we need to
provide 500 more units. A developer will come and say because you didn't comply with the law, we're going to sue you and we're going to build wherever you want. And it has been happening. Right now, we're in a deep um uh negotiations and
almost at the end of of this settlement with the fair share housing and the courts that dictate that we didn't follow the law. They threw away all our laws and saying all developers palace we're complying with the law and you guys can build whatever you want.
And you'll see some of the buildups right now. We want to stop that. We want to take the control back. We want to result create the new master plan and make sure that for our next round which is going to be 2025 to 2035
we have to create 204 209 affordable units. That's over a,000 units we're talking about within 10 years. I don't think anybody is welcoming that. So what Roberto and I did was what could we do? So we started to look around. We talked
to people. I went to conventions. I met people and we found developers, right, that could develop 100% affordable to prevent building another thousand units. They'll come here and say, you know what, if you provide us a land, we will
build 200 affordable units for you free, including some tax tax benefits. But it's a pilot. They still pay for taxes. Always pay for taxes, right? So by doing that if we had land and these guys had enough land to go okay I'll build a 100
units for you there 100% affordables right that would prevent 500 developments we want to reduce developments not increase it so we're saying okay then let's find some land I asked Cocker and Cocker Michael Cocker
Ted Garcio right now he he is our affordable bur affordable homes attorney defending us all right we're spending a lot of going to defend ourselves. So we make sure that we you know we give the best result for our people and when that happened we started looking for every
every land that we have and one of the land that we discovered it's not out of nowhere it was Pemrook way at the end when we looked at that we said okay there is a land over there I think we could fit maybe one or two the developers could probably fit in one or
two homes over there when I looked at that um land it was it was beautiful I know that land because before I became mayor. Three years ago, I I h had the pleasure of meeting the Pemrook four residential families. These
they call themselves orphans because we never went there because it's so far away. In order to meet you guys, we have to go through the Richfield area. All right? And then and then there was this four family that belongs to us and they still complaining about the road. The
road was just too thin. So what happened was okay I convinced the former administrator and the governing body to expand the road a little bit and they were happy and I was so happy for them and then I was like you know what and I looked at the I looked at the the woods
it's not a park right it's it's woods and I looked and then I looked at this the creek that runs down and the noise is very beautiful in the morning at night you hear this water coming down it's very wonderful very peaceful but then I noticed that when it floods that
location that you guys are considering is made out of bedrock. Bedrock is made out of rock. There's no way that it could absorb the flood issue, potential flood issue. >> And I also thought about the untamed woods area. What happens if the kid when
there's a lot of water coming down from the creek, someone falls down to the deep creek? What if someone go over there and get hurt? And I was thinking to myself, if we could develop that, make it one or two homes, take out the bedrock and then put soil there, it will
improve the flooding and then only not only that, it will if if the development comes. We were about to expand the road more so be bigger, wider, and also it would be a not for me it was a not it's not a very good it's not a
well-maintained woods because no one's maintaining it, right? is dangerous. There will be one or two homes over there will be a wider street and then at the end of the day that place will be more comparable to the environment there is and also it will will bring us some
ratables ratables tax ratables that we could collect and give it back to you guys. So that's how we started this. But I want you guys to know I know you guys waited for very long. So, I'm just going to have this speech and I want you to understand this and certain things that you need to explain about the procedure.
We went we went to do this to try it out. See see what's out there cuz the bedrock the the the the rock that is all on the ground. I we discovered while we're doing this, it cost about about a million dollars to remove to even build
a home there. So, we were saying, "Okay, if someone could take this, right, let's see. talk about the fitting. We all want to get >> Got it. Got it. So, ultimately, I want to let you guys know I've heard your voices. I heard the residents there.
You're my family. Okay. All I could tell you right now is that we're just taking things out and and I would really like to I heard your consideration, but now you could continue why we have to finish this. So, so the ordinance was read uh
on first read and was read on second read um and it passed. So, right now that's an ordinance is the law of the land. There is no uh condition in the ordinance to cancel
the public auction. We have to go through with the public auction. That public auction will be held next Monday, right? 28th and 10th >> 28th 28th. Um, so we are handling uh we have to move forward with the auction.
That's what the resolution says. Oh, excuse me. The ordinance says uh and we must comply with our own ordinances. Obviously thereafter we will see what occurs at the auction um and whether that
any if there are any bids if those bids are sufficient to sell the property. So nothing's done uh and complete. The ordinance allows us to and requires us to hold the sale. So that's at the
moment that's what the the council has to do. But but the council member, as we discussed before, had the right to refuse a bid if there is one. I don't even know who's going to bid it, but if there is a bid, we then have to going
through the procedure. Right. >> Yeah. Right. So the board says that they the council can has to review the bids uh if there are any to make a determination if the bit is satisfactory uh to the uh to the burough to go
through. Um we don't have a minimum bid in there. So it's really a determination as to the fair market value of the property. So um with that unfortunately I said we have to move forward with the
auction that does not mean that it'll be any any auction any bids will be successful >> and even though there is a bid correct me if I'm wrong we still have the right to refuse >> if we find that fit for for reasons that there's no yes
>> so council members reject that >> yes >> yes >> the auction is nothing right >> yeah we have the option to decline the the public option at the end of the day offer if it does come in >> if it does come in. >> Okay.
>> So, so we >> we heard you, we heard you, but let us go through this process. >> And we don't have a choice at this point. So, >> okay. >> So, I'm sorry. Anybody else? >> Please come up. Good evening. Justin K.
>> I have a question to Mayor Kim and attorney. I just heard that 30 taxment linked to the 30 tax abatement linked to
the 1200 unit development. Is that true? >> I just want to have a clear answer for that. >> The question was >> 30 year tax of payment >> for what type is 1,200. >> Are you talking about the affordable?
>> Yes. >> Affordable. Right now we have to settle in court because we didn't follow the law >> and you're asking if because because of this settlement that we have to do by law, we have no choice but to settle with that because they sued us. Because not we're not we're not following the
New Jersey affordable act. >> We are now. >> We are now. We are now. But but you're asking is there an abatement? Abatement means that you don't pay tax. Absolutely not. They will pay the taxes. >> Wherever you heard it from is absolutely false.
>> So is that your official answer is there's no obeyment. >> There is no obeyment. Whoever told you that do not know he's talking about. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else who's come up? Name and address. >> 43A 9 Street. I have a two questions for
the mayor and the burough attorney. Uh question number one. I heard the town may lose over $100,000 because of free parking after 6 p.m. Is that true?
Uh could you please explain this uh clearly? I have a question number two. I also heard that mayor made this decision on his own without any explanation to broad avenue businesses.
Is that correct? I appreciate answering these two questions. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. The first question is parking. I think somebody I think we were punching out the calculations and council said that we're going to spend about 140,000 and we asked why because
he said that it includes the violations that we could potentially get. The police department officially did a calculation and it's on record that about less than $25,000 that will invest to of that will lose
income to promote and support the commerce that's dying right now. Second question that you wanted to ask is is is uh what was I'm sorry what was the second question? >> Did you make this decision? >> No no no I have not. Um this happens
this happened from going to the congress trying to give out ICE information posters with Christopher. We noticed that uh very famous really proudful restaurants want to sell. And then I went back to the police department and
then Frank uh what you call it uh what you call it and Charlie our our police coun uh uh chair there. We discussed it and then we went around uh the commerce with the restaurant with the restaurants and businesses and we had maybe we have
like three pages of list and 90% of them said yes that would really help. Let's give that a try. So in reality >> it was reviewed by the police department as well. >> Yes. And also it's been reviewed by the police department. I didn't do it by myself. Matter of fact, M uh sir is that
as a mayor I cannot spend a dime without the majority vote of the council. Each council has to approve a claim each month. They know this. So I cannot spend money without the council's approval. I
cannot offer anything a resolution or an ordinance without the support of the majority of the council's votes. So no, I did not do that by myself. >> Thank you. for that the uh pre parking
the pre parking m I checked all the records and since 2019 okay the chamber of commerce continuously suggested the town to give the pre parking after six
to promote the business of the broad avenue and the comm the business area okay I have even newspaper asking the chamber is asking free parking after 6:00 p.m. So it is not
special things. It has been requested continuously within 76 years from even from the chamber of commerce. So there is no other intention just helping the
business growing and be expanded. Okay. >> Thank you. Uh Ted just just just could you just stand up and introduce yourself your your name? >> Yes. I'm Ted Delgersio special affordable housing council.
>> We had a meeting for the executive meeting. Could you please expl say in your own words because they may want to hear from the professional all the builder remedies right now if it's going to be a pilot phase tax tax pilot do they pay taxes or not? >> They they don't pay conventional taxes.
make payments in lie of taxes but essentially just to clarify that does not mean that they're getting away taxree and I think maybe that's a mis misunderstanding abatement >> right so an abatement is not it's not that the taxes are being done away with
but instead of conventional taxes what you do is you enter into an agreement with certain of of the developers who are subject to uh build lawsuits and they make payments in lie of taxes that's usually a percentage project revenue or otherwise calculating
in accordance with law. So, so, so they're they're still making payments. So, so just to be clear and I think that's you want >> very simple question. Is it abatement or do they give us tax? >> It's it's it's it's payments in Lor but it's
>> it's tax we functionally. Yes, it's a tax. >> It's a different it's a different type of tax, >> right? Can you make sure are they paying the same tax rate as the current property owners? >> It it would be different and that's kind of what I was getting to. It's usually a percentage of either the project revenue
which is usually not their rental units. It would be a percentage of that. Uh there are other other ways also to do it under under law. It would depend how how the agreements and at this point obviously these agreements are still being ironed out but that's essentially the idea that that they would crunch the
numbers and yeah. Is there a time frame when they start paying the uh the tax of the do of tax? The time frame are they paying right away? >> Uh well, typically the way that it works is usually it's a percentage of their revenue or or percentage of of construction plus revenue. You you would
actually have have constru you have to construct the projects and complete them and then at that point in time then then the payments would kick in. >> Now this is mandated by court. Again, we didn't comply with the law. the the court mandated that they that that they
are provided a pilot tax uh uh program. So just to sum it up, not to confuse anybody, we're hearing rumors that people are saying we're going to get because of me, that's a rumor, and because of me that these guys are getting 30 years of tax payment, like
zero tax. That's absolutely false. Whoever's telling you that doesn't know what's going on or or they just they just want to want to want to want to really used to res or I think mayor probably it's maybe just a misunderstanding of the process and but but mayor you're absolutely right this
is not a situation where they're paying nothing I mean they certainly will not be so so but it's that's essentially what it is it's not a conventional tax but it is a payment that's functional >> and because the court correct me if I'm wrong because the court has ordered us
to enter into these pilots there's a there's a statutory framework for these pilots we're just not making it up as we go >> that that's correct Correct. That's correct, Alan. And I think one thing to keep in mind, too, is because these are builder's remedy lawsuits, um the court does have the authority to to make these
the development of these projects realistic and financially feasible to order this kind of relief. So, so that that that that's essentially why this has happened. >> And who approves that? >> Is it me or the co or the council members? >> It would be it would be the entire council.
>> Thank you very much. >> Anybody else? Please come up. You need to come up. You need to come up. You can just come up and ask. You got three minutes, sir. Name and address. >> I just had a question. Jason Gilliano 315 East Ruby. Uh to because the council
was negligent over the years to get this put through, our hand is being forced now by the court. That's what we're saying. >> I think that's what the mayor said, >> right? So, we're saying that. So, but they're not going to get taxed the way the homeowners are going to get taxed.
Is that true, too? It It's true in the sense Yes. It's not a conventional tax the way you received your quarterly statement. That's not what we're talking about here. >> So, it's more of a a path to walk through a nicer one to come into town to rent there and the owners of the property that are building aren't going
to get taxed at the same rate as the homeowners are. So, is that money going to be passed on to the homeowners on that new tax rates that are coming out? >> Well, essentially that that that's we discuss that that the bulk of a of a pilot payment goes to the municipality, >> right? We're being forced into this
>> because because of negligence >> because yes, affordable housing obligations of the past were not dealt with. >> Unfortunately, we're dealing with a series of builder's remedy lawsuits and this at least projects. That's what we're dealing with. So is it being passed on to the residents of the town
>> at the new tax when the tax goes up in town the rate are the homeowners that are here now going to be >> so they're not they're not subsidizing anything these are payments they're in lie of conventional taxes but they're still substantial amount >> just wanted to get that because there's a lot going on out there we're hearing I
just want to make sure >> right you know pay payments in le do not I mean they're they're functionally payments for the services that they would otherwise pay for Okay, we >> when the pilots come in and we we have an estimate of what the pilots are going
to be, the CFO determines, okay, that amount of money is coming in and it goes to the overall budget which then goes to the overall tax rate. >> Correct. >> So, I just want to make sure people of our
point is it's it's the money's coming into the budget. It's just coming in in a different form. >> Correct. So like but again that money is coming >> you know somebody else to come in and take advantage of us >> the money. No well that that's the point
about the advantage. That's why I I specifically English words. Sorry specifically asked Miss Mr. whether or not this was statutory or not. It's a statutory format. >> Sometimes the bigger words it's easy to
break down and make it simple. join me. It's getting it's getting late. We've been doing this. I've been we've been working since 6 a.m. So, I'm a little getting a little punchy, but that's what the that's what it is. So, the money is coming into the budget. It's still coming into the budget. It's not
it it comes in just like any other tax comes in any other fees that come in and then it offsets the you know the overall or sets doesn't offset but it sets the overall >> tax rate period. So, just to answer everybody's question, is it 30 years of
abatement? Inbaitment means no taxes. No, it is false. Whoever said that doesn't know what he's talking about. >> So, yes, we're going to get our taxes. Any more questions in the public? Please come up. >> Yes. Come up, Joe. >> Joe,
good evening. 329 East Columbia. Um, I did not applaud when pothole issue came up. Why not? I'm disappointed. First of all, um,
if you own a car, you have maintenance, preventative maintenance. Do we do any preventative maintenance in a fall? >> No, sir. We didn't expect a 40. >> Well, that doesn't matter. If there's a if there's a spot that's deteriorating
badly, whether it's going to be a bad winter or a little winter, that pothole is going to develop anyhow. >> Okay. >> Yes, I agree. We had a lot of snow. Um, and on Brinker Avenue, Rick
>> Fifth between Route Five, that I've mentioned that several times that should be repaved. It is on it way. I have second thoughts about that. Roberto, >> it's not second thoughts. We're actually >> You've gotten quotes for a million paid
that even though DW very nicely went out putting down the hot patch. They did a great job. That's not permanent. It was a temporary fix. We have two bid two quotes so far uh for doing a mill and pave, which you have to. But we also
have a contractor who's the other four streets, first, second, fourth, and Highland. So, if he can do that for less than 20%, I think 20% is the difference, uh, included in his other work, he's going to be doing it. So, I'm just
waiting for him to figure that out and get back to me. If he says, "No, it's more than the 20% I can't," then I will take one of the other two quotes and they will do it. >> Well, the reason I mentioned I I'm kind of hesitating because that that acts as
a people. >> True. >> Slice people down. >> Well, talk about speed humps. We're putting speed humps. Anyways, I I the thing that block has no sidewalk, very few sidewalks. When I walk here
from my house to here, I use that street and it's tough. >> Street, >> it's dangerous. So that's the new homes hopefully all are mandatory to have sidewalks. >> That's about it.
>> Thank you. >> All right. Good. We have a motion to close. >> Somebody else. >> Joe, you want to cancel? Thank you. We have a motion to close the public and come back to our work session. >> I'll make a motion. >> I have a second. >> All in favor? >> We have a motion to close the work
session and adjourn. >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. All >> in favor? All right, guys. Thank you very much.