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We have two people that are logged on here with phone numbers. Um, can you please open your mic and identify yourself so we know who you are so we can at least keep record of that? >> Ken Trocher. >> Thank you, Ken. Whose number ending in

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41? Russian spy. >> All right. Well, we'll come back to that person. We'll find out who that is. Oh, there's Michael Gilfan. >> We got We have seven. >> Seven. The only ones missing are Lisa and Christopher Tomkins.

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>> We have eight and we're missing two. >> Okay. We have eight. Okay. >> Okay. Good. I'll go ahead and start recording. >> Yep. >> Transfer. >> Good. >> I did that one. >> Okay, we should be recording.

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>> Okay. Morning everyone. Can you hear us online? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay, good. Does feel strange for the first time being in a different spot than we've been in for decades. >> And we're in a media center with no books, so that's odd.

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It's all in that other room. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. All right. Let's start with attendance. David David Bro, facilities construction. >> Jasmine Mlan, facilities construction. Holly Han, Office of the General Council. >> Michael Tubiello, facilities

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construction. >> David Dolan, facilities management. >> David Porter, Cork. >> Barbara Myers, construction purchasing. >> Michael Guida, Cork. >> Jamal, Cork, Adams, >> Facilities Construction, John Levenson,

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Rail Enterprises, Representative SC Edwards, DLR Group, John Construction. Jacob Catz, Purdle Construction. Andrew Botros, Purdle Construction is here too, just stepped away from the bathroom. Benella, Purdle Construction. Carl

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Gonzalez with RG Architects. John Toex Construction. >> Hey, thank you. Just one announcement that uh cell phones in the room on vibrator silent, please. And go ahead, David. Do online, please. >> Bruce Alexander

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>> present. Good morning. France Makable >> present. >> Michael Gilfan >> present. >> Palberger >> yes. >> Virginia Ferris

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>> and Christopher Tomkins. Okay, that's everyone online. >> Can everybody hear us properly or does it sound kind of echoey? >> Sounds good to us. >> Okay, good. Thank >> it sounds better. Oh, okay.

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>> Well, we're just in a we're in a room that's very large and has no carpeting in it like the other facility. So, I was afraid it might be a little echoey. >> Actually, it's probably making the sound better, >> I think. >> Is that right? >> All right. Chairman's report. I have nothing to report. Does anyone have a

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conflict of interest or has been approached by a lobbyist about anything today? Miss Branch. >> In addition, it appears that we have Miss Branch. Um, our board member is is also present. >> Good morning. >> Good morning.

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>> And Mr. Sanchez. >> Oh, and Mr. Sanchez. Oh, I'm going to get in trouble for not including. >> Good morning, sir. >> I'm not sure he's there. >> And uh in in addition, I wanted to for everybody in the room, if you're

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unfamiliar with it, the restrooms are in the corner. They are labeled boys and girls. So, um, but they do require a key because back in the day you weren't going to be allowed to let the kids use the restroom on their own. So, you had to escort them. So, I'm not escorting,

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but there is a big key on a big piece of wood back there. So, >> guess that gives you ultimate control. >> Exactly. >> I do have the master key. Yes. >> All right. Uh any issues on the agenda? Movement around adding anything by any

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click member. All right. Public comments. Any general public comments? All right. Seeing none, let's get down our consent agenda. FC1. >> I want

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>> I want >> Okay. Myself. Virginia. Michael FC2, >> give me one moment. I've lost my summary here. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm

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not I'm not pulling FC2. >> Okay. This is like Jeopardy. You only get a certain amount of time. >> FC3. I wanted that pulled. Anyone else? Yeah. >> FC4 and

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>> got it FC5 FC6 >> Virginia. By the way, Virginia, you're echoing pretty bad. I don't know why

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>> you sound good to us. I don't know if it means anything in this room, right? We >> She is echoing every once in a while. Pretty bad. >> Okay. >> But she may be on twice. You're by chance on twice.

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>> Um I thought I called I cancelled the other one. >> Probably not, which is why you're getting the echo. Well, I can't find it open on my screen. >> You sound a little bit better now, Virginia. >> We have a technical issue in the room

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for a second. So, give us a minute. >> Just uh >> There we go. You're back. >> Oh, you're back. You're back for a second. >> Yeah, it's it's coming back. And we do have technical experts besides Jud to help us.

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>> Don't tell anybody >> want to keep going on your qualifications. >> Can they hear us? I guess so. >> Yes, we hear you. >> Okay, good. All right, then we will continue. Uh because we don't have video right now, but we will keep going here. Uh PC1

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PC2, >> Virginia, >> PC3, >> PC4, PC5, PC6, seven motion. Okay,

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>> you got to mute yourself, Virginia. >> I'm sorry. I didn't say anything. >> No, but you're not muted. >> You're not muted. >> I'm muted. >> You're not not to us. >> You're not. You need to be. We can hear all your background noise.

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>> It's not me. I have no background noise. >> Virginia, mute yourself. >> I will. I'll move forward. The agendum's not called on the list. Okay. On behalf of Virginia. >> All right. Need a second.

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Need a second for the unpulled items to go forward. >> Second, if you hear me. I don't know why there's a It's very quiet in my house. >> Virginia, you're not phone number ending in 41, are you?

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>> No, I'm not. All right. >> All right. Jim, I'll put a second on that. Um, go ahead. Staff us. >> Bruce Alexander. >> Yes. >> David Porter. >> Yes. >> Makaboo. >> Jim Al.

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>> Yes. Sorry. >> Thank you. >> Kevin Wilkinson. >> Sorry. Lisa Reves. >> Michael Gilfan. >> Yes. >> Michael Guida. Yes. >> Tom Ber. >> Yes.

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>> Virginia Ferris. >> Yes. >> And is Christopher Tomkins on? >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh start with FC1. Michael Gelfin. >> Excuse me, Michael, if you wouldn't

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mind. Could I could I ask a question first? >> Sure. >> I appreciate it. Thank you. Um, I had difficulty following sheet that gave all the page numbers. They didn't seem to

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line up with with the documents. Um, I don't know if anyone else had that trouble, but I tried changing the numbers as I went. And um, so when you pull an item to talk about and you give a page number,

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I have to go back to my list. which one you're talking about if you'd just give me a few seconds. >> Yes, we did have a glitch on the SC1 summary sheet with the backup. There was an issue with that. So, you probably saw a duplicate of one item.

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>> It's not duplicate, it's the it's the mixing in the ACUAS. >> That's correct. So if if you just know as you're doing these things just kind of keep that in mind for us

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>> so that I can speak to the ones I want to. Thank you. >> We recognize it and in the past we have had a secondary person check at this particular time. I guess we didn't have someone check it. So we'll make sure that happens in the future. >> Thank you. Thank you, Michael.

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Okay, Michael Gelfin, you can go with your questions. >> You there? >> Yes. Thank you. >> All right. Starting with Christina McAuliff. Uh, let me know there if you want me to use the long or the short

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page references. This is page seven of 58 or 30. >> Some people join us. A little bit of noise here. >> Let me know when to restart. >> Sorry, I'm just playing host. My apologies. Okay.

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>> Michael, are you there? >> Yeah. I thought you told me to hold on for a moment. Am I okay? So, we're going to stop having discussions until such time as we can get the technology back up. Um, does somebody want to jump on on the

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phone and say that the group we're having technical difficult I can do it? >> We can hear you. >> Oh, you can. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Thank you for for responding, Miss Branch. >> We are working through technical

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difficulties on the smartboards here. >> We can hear what you're everybody saying. We just can't see what >> we can't see anybody. >> Yeah. So, >> but I think we can probably >> Yeah, we can go. Michael Gelfin, you there? >> It's probably a blessing that you can't see me. Uh, you could only pray that you

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don't hear me. But with that, the first item is Christina McAuliff, page 7 of 58 or 30 of 1128. Um, there are a number of items here and we've seen a little bit in the past on school aesthetics.

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Um, with the number of changes that that has been prompting, should we be adding that to the specifications? >> I should have a copy down here. >> I didn't hear the whispering.

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>> Um, I'm I'm trying to follow. Is there particular items about the aesthetics? I I sorry, you cut out a little bit for me anyway. Um, >> so the justification for this was an attempt to keep school aesthetics consistent. And then, you know, we've got the Forest

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Hill uh item at Diamond View at page 11 of 58 34 of 11:28. We have reads we've identified a significant risk of aesthetic distortion. Um and you know

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>> yeah so from a high level perspective when we run into these schools um we're not doing at some of these projects we're doing wholesale painting for instance of the entire school and that's easy right um a lot of these projects though we're kind of doing some flooring in this room some not in that room um

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act ceiling in this room repair um fixing that just trying to keep the budget in line. Um, so sometimes when we go go do that, we say, "Oh, well, we really need to paint these walls as well because now it looks really bad." And um, it's something that needs to be done anyway. But that's sometimes what

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happens with these FCA projects. Um, but if you want something specific um, we can drill down um, into that school. But that happens often in these projects and we have to make a decision of does it really make sense and does it need to be done.

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So, I understand, you know, occasionally something that needs to be done, a wall here or there perhaps, um, a few thousand, not implying that that's jump change at all, but you know,

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this one, for example, is $70,000. >> Yeah. And this was the ex exterior of the building. Um, and it it really the show the scope did not include this work, but it probably should have. It's not it's not definitely not an omission because that's a a judgment call. Um,

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but we have a program that we're trying to make sure um one way or another that all the exteriors of the schools get repainted. And it's really not more than repainting. It's it's bent work. So, it's waterproofing, cocking, sealing all the joints and repainting. So, it's kind

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of a wholesale building envelope. Um, and in this case, the scope did not include this substantial portion of the exterior stucco um, ceilings and walkways that we had. So, when we got in that project said, we really should have had this in the scope. So, that's why

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this one's more significant than just the patching part of it. >> Well, I mean, the justification here is solely aesthetics, >> right? Yeah, I think that's misleading with the with the exterior um because the exterior is a lot more than

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aesthetics. There's there is obviously when you get new paint on a building an aesthetic component to that um but there is also a waterproofing um component to that as part of it. >> Um I >> I think your comments about the

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description probably should have been worded a little different I would say perhaps. Yeah. >> All right. I've said it before and more concerned for the you know the changes may be

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justified the end but they should be part of the bidding process up front. We're seeing if you would admission creep on school aesthetic type items and I don't know where the exact threshold

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is but $70,000 that is it. It also I would think impacts the mobilization and approach of a contractor when this is done and you probably get other bidding involved in this way when

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change made was the other work or was it before the exterior work. >> So um again I I think I heard the question um correctly. Um this this is an older project. If you look at the dates on this thing, we're also trying

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to, as you know, we're trying to get caught up now with some of these old change orders and get to where we're processing every one of these as they come in. So, we're we're doing that on some of the newer stuff, but we're still trying to catch up on the old ones. So, this was an older project that did have some water and if you look at the

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description, it does say waterproofing um of the exterior. So, there was scope in there to do it. They just let left this part out. So, there was definitely an aesthetic benefit to it. Um but in this particular case on this item it was more about um completing the

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waterproofing exercise to um complete the school. I think there may be some other items that we can talk about purely aesthetics but this one in particular >> I think order of magnitude on this one >> I mean the entire description has nothing to do with the water intrusion

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water and waterproofing. I mean twice it talks about the painting of these items. Um, and it's all school aesthetics. >> Well, painting is part of your building envelope. Um, and it does keep water

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out. Um, because paint, including with painted painting is cocking. Um, we don't specifically list caulking and tooling of joints and all the intricacy stuff that goes on with that. But it's it's a comprehensive building envelope that we characterized as painting, you know.

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>> Um, Mr. Al, I know you want to comment on this. You know, just coming from a point of experience, you run into this kind of thing over these projects so many times. And I think painting the rest of the deteriorated ceiling areas were deemed necessary. That satisfies

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me. It's just one of those things that, you know, you you run into and you you you can't catch this necessarily in a evaluation of the building originally. So, >> and I I will tell you that we do make the effort to make sure that we didn't pay for this twice. it was not included

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in the original GMP and we do validate the cost in in several methods that we have um to do that. So we know um we're getting good competitive numbers when we do this. If we don't then we don't move forward with the work.

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Just so that you are aware, I regularly review contracts and work with clients with projects that are bigger than these schools and we don't have these types of change orders or changes for aesthetic purposes

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at all on these. All right. Um, I'll move on, but I'm not in favor of that one, especially with the explanation that's provided and my comments in past meetings about change orders. Um the next one is diamond view page 11 of 58

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page 34 of 1128. Can someone define what aesthetic distortion is? The second line of the description to get there where new material will be installed. my numbers page.

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>> Um, well, basically it's the VCT matching up the old with the new. >> Yeah, Michael, it's the new flooring is never going to match up with the new flooring. If you've got it won't it just, you know, 20-y old flooring is going to match up with brand

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new flooring. It's all made today and lawn >> entirely. I will say that, you know, I've worked my way through school installing flooring and understand thresholds and dealt with that and uh the north

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shore of Chicago which had very demanding customers. Um, so why floor don't we have the entire Well, first of all, is this the same room or are these different rooms or areas?

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>> I think based on the dollar value, it's not. So these were these were repairs that were in the corridors in front of classrooms where there was hight traffic areas and and because of the what was uh um laid out in the drawings. Once that

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was done, there was areas that they could tie into to make it look nicer from the old tile in the same color lot to the new tile in the same color lot. Um and so they chose, you know, they chose to do so to make it a better um you know,

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But are these separate areas like a classroom up to a hallway or was it a checkerboard in the middle of a hallway? >> All of these areas were in hallways in front of doors. This wasn't in that if you look at the quantity, it's $4,000 or

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$4,900. It's not a lot of extra tile. It's just a little extra to make it look better ultimately at the end of the project. So more we're talking about like 5x5 areas in front of the doorways >> in front of doorways to tie it in. Yes. >> But 25 doorways in a hallway.

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>> Exactly. Yeah. It's it's small areas but a a couple of them around the the halls. Yes. >> So if we're putting in new tile, we know that there is going to be, as you put

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it, aesthetic distortion. Why isn't that part of the specs up front? >> It was missed by the architect when he went through and did the assessment and thought it didn't need to be replaced. But then when the new tile showed up next to it, it was like, "Oh my god."

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>> It gets go get I think it goes back to trying to be fiscally responsible and do what's needed to be done without overdoing it. And that's a judgment call. And then once you get things installed, sometimes you have to make an adjustment um to that um and sometimes it is about aesthetics, making things look good because that's important, but

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sometimes it's about function and other. So, >> but that doesn't answer the question. With all due respect, >> maybe I misunderstood the question. >> I mean, if we are putting in new tile, we know that there is going to be a difference on any job between the new and the old. I mean, from day one,

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that's going to happen. Um you know this is not it sounds like a school district request as I think the chair mentioned this is going to be either a design error or design omission um and should this as a result every time we are putting in new tile plan for this

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>> because this is going to happen down the line >> you're you're dealing with opinions as well. So one person can look at that and say yes you should do a little more and some say you don't. So you're never going to get it perfect. Um as a designer it's a judgment call that you work together as a team. We work

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together as a team and the important thing at the end of the day is that everybody's satisfied with the project >> and we do stay we do focus on the budget. So the budget is is established with contingency for s uh such circumstances as this.

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>> This is not an uncommon occurrence. I know what you're suggesting is in your case you never see them but the reality is it is often an occurrence in our facility renewals. Not as much in new schools per se, but in facility renewals where the conditions vary from classroom

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to classroom, hallway to hallway, yes, it is it is a common occurrence to have an anticipated allowance or contingency for these types of things. That excuse is not is not consistent with the first excuse

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which is when you put in new tile you're going to have quote aesthetic distortion and it's obvious I mean I understand that you've got old tiles probably 10 years if not older on side

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neither of these are meant to be an excuse it's just explain the process to Well, again, this is another one. If if we are moving now from more of the structural and programmic needs to aesthetic

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issues, I think we need to be careful as to how we draw the thresholds on this using the wrong or an improper pun at that point. And if we're installing new tile, we ought to be also looking at what those transitions thresholds are

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across the board. >> Acknowledge Jim. >> Yeah. Um, Mr. Delan, you know, another aspect to this is that when you're on the job site and you receive the new tile, you don't necessarily know until

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that moment that that new tile doesn't necessarily match the existing. So, the reason why these things happen and are not foresaw is because you don't know how much the tile in place has been deteriorated over

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time. So, a lot of times these kind of things just happen because you get the new material and site you say, "Wow, that's a glaring difference and you have to make this decision." I'm in favor of just moving this forward. >> I will say some clients and some contracts are written where you just

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another term flop the number have extra money in there for this stuff and it just goes away and you don't have to process change orders. Some clients operate that way. We don't operate that way. We keep it tight. We only pay for the stuff that we use. So the the downside of that is when we do have a minor change, the subs don't have it

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covered. So they have to charge us for that work and we pay for the work that was used. So my next item is page 13 of 58, page 36 of 1128. >> So this is for the design services.

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Which which sites sir? >> Got it. >> Um do we have an estimate as to what the actual cost of correction is going to be on this? >> I don't know. Do you guys know who who

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view that one? No, but uh I'm I'm looking at the the gentleman around the room kind of looking at it, but I I see an opportunity for improvement in our process and I what what I'm hearing you suggest sounds like a good idea is that when we're doing an ACUA, we ought to at

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least put in some sort of anticipated value for some pending future change order for which this design service is. Um, I think that's a good thing for us to improve upon in the future. >> And we used to have that as a request from Cork, probably before most of the

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current staff members were here where anytime we had an architectural or an engineering proposal change that we would want to know the cost so that the board knows the cost so that they know, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're not going to approve this architectural change. It's going to cost $10 million in

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construction costs. >> And we've been doing that on some of the major ones. in this one. It's It's something that we we can certainly do that. It's something that has to be done and it's relatively minor, but I note it. We should we can start following up on it. >> Do we have any ideas as to what the

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extent of this work is going to be? I mean, are we going to be digging trenches and putting in drainage systems or is it just changing grading or >> That's a great question. And once we have the survey done and the civil design done which is paying for we'll

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know >> we don't know until the investigative work is done. >> All right. >> And at that time there there is another stop gate at that point as you know we approved the 2000 for design services to get it go. Then we do have that option to move forward with that work or not

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once we know the full scope as well. >> Do we have any anticipation as to what it's going to need? I would have to look into it further. >> And at $2,200 for the design services, the cost the cost of construction 20,000 maybe something

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>> of design. >> What's that? >> The cost is 4,600 design. We have to add 2200 to their PO to cover it because they had ACUA money. So we're talking about >> $40,000 2200 actual use 4,600 >> they would be shy.

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>> Mr. Well, then I I'm doing a ballpark in saying if it's 4,600 for the design services, the cost of the work is probably 46,000 somewhere in that range. Um, order of magnitude. >> All right. Thank you. Um, next, uh,

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Forest Hill Beastro. I think I had seen the staff response on one of the initial questions on this. Uh, 15 of 458 is the page. Um, So the strategic branding on this this

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is another one of those I mean it's actually the aesthetic appeal and patron engagement again when do we identify these things up front they're all pointing to me

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so I'll take this one u so the But I'll answer you a specific question. When do we identify these things up front? Um, this I I wasn't involved. This was this project started before I got back to the school district. So, it's been going on for a little while. So, it was not identified when the original scope of

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work u was developed. When I got in when I got here, um I guess it's now what four or five years? I forget. It's been it's been a while. Um you know, I noticed that there was no there was no uh signage included in the design at all. So we this includes so it's it's

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it's like branding but it's it's more than branding. It's also about the signage to to identify you know where where the the cafeteria is and how to how to get to it um um where the the grab and go items are where the hot items are and all this kind of stuff. So all that is included in this design. So

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that that was all missing from the scope of work. So um I I required that that this be added to the to the project scope once I got here and identified those those deficiencies. I mean, we had been through this with the individual high schools and the branding and

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signage started to move into the VRO model and you know, we stopped seeing the change orders on that pretty quickly. Um, sound like a sore thumb on that. Yeah, the other ones are are now almost cookie

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cutter because they're they're those high school engineering ones are, you know, they they improve each time along, but they they're pretty much the same from one school to the next. This is a unique situation. We only have one beastro in the district. So, this was not identified as a as a different

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prototype or >> Virginia. Virginia, >> I don't know if Michael's finished, but I also pull this one. So, I'll wait for Michael to finish on this and then if I can ask a question. >> Yes, >> defer to

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on this one. >> My question was again um Mr. Sanchez, you talked about it labeling the various areas, but why is that called branding? We're led with the impression that it's something different than just telling

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people where the food is. >> It's It's all in the Well, I'll contract uh for the service. Well, I'll contract for the services in addition. It's called I think it's called branding or signage or something like that. But it's all it's all included with the signage.

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So, signage is part of branding as part of graphics. All all of it is kind of interrelated with each other. >> So, which part of it is the branding part? Which part of >> Well, signage the signage includes the branding as well because we there is signage. There's a couple of signs that say Beastro on it, but the other the

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other signage, like I said, identifies the different parts of the um the beastro area, the the grab and go and, you know, cashier area and all that stuff, the grill, all that's included with the with the with this package. >> I can understand signage. I guess I'm

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grappling with that branding idea. Is that because you're going to put up a sign that says Beastro? >> There is a sign that says Beastro. There's a couple of signs that say beastro. Um, but signage is just part of branding. They're they're intertwined.

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>> Yeah, but I got the same confusion. I think of branding. I think of McDonald's and Burger King and Depot. And to me, that's branding of I used to design restaurants and it was that had a brand and logos and everything else that went with it. So, does the Beastro acts kind of like its own little restaurant with

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logos and everything else? >> It does. This is it own um it own profit center. So that's what we have to think of as the beastro. The beastro is like a restaurant with its own branding >> and the more people you get bring in revenue for that. So it's we want to encourage people to go and use the beastro guests and staff at the building

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>> and and and if I may go a step further on the branding the branding is um he's we're talking about you know the restaurants you know branding for a restaurant. Schools will view branding the same way because while we all might look at schools as cookie cutter or

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certain components of them as cookie cutter, the schools want to be independent. They want to have their own identity and their branding is a big deal for them. How do they differentiate themselves from the high school that's down the street? Uh, you know, to make

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sure that they're doing the best to draw their stu draw students back to their school or away from charter schools and what. So, you'll see the phrase rebranding or branding a lot more. I'm sitting here because I know we have two high school um associates with us today

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who look at that and it does make a difference. So, I know it may seem uh odd to have the concept of branding. Why are we selling a brand? >> We'll just use signage in the future because that seems to that seems to be

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the word that's more acceptable signage. That's true. >> I want to make it clear that we're we are selling ourselves. We are selling our schools. We're trying to make sure >> you signage branding is branding has went through every question. That's why >> especially if we're branding it to our own employees. This is not a school,

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>> right? >> And visitors, but yeah, visitors. Yeah. >> I just if you had to include a signage or something for that for that amount. I mean, it's not a small amount. And I think that's what's confusing me, the

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branding aspect. >> Signage. >> It is signage. It's Yes, it's a little more than signage, but it's primarily signage. >> Thank you. >> Um, next, historic Roosevelt, page 19 of 58.

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>> Is there a way just to leave the building numbering as building seven? because to pay $5,000 just because number change doesn't seem to make sense.

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No, there's there's a lot more to it. There was it's a historic facility with multiple numbers. Some of them didn't match. Um I I can't remember all the reasons why when we went through it, but we looked at it and made a decision that this was definitely the best way forward

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on this. um you know our our numbers that we report have to go to the state that has to match our fire alarm that have to match our electrical um panel identification. So there's a lot to it. Um it's very complicated to keep it all

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straight on this project, but it was um we looked at in detail and decided it was the best course of action because the description is just because he reumbered the building number, not that there was something else going on

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on that. >> Anything else, Michael? Um, next on Jupiter, page 21, do we have any idea as to what the dollar amount is going to be? Because I've seen now um I saw the staff

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response to a question and this does not include apparently any of the corrective items. >> So, we've we've already done the corrective items. I think all of them processed for the corrective work. This one just came later um because we had to get proper backup and negotiate through

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the the cost of this one and verify. But um this was we've already done the corrective work and they've been um they're probably in that log there if not. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, they are in the log on the next page. You can see the work associated with it. But and and it seems a little if you

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look at it a little disproportional, but that 44,000 helped us get to where we only had to spend 65,000 versus spending 400,000 and redoing everything. So, it was very productive, worth money.

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>> I just had a client quickly cast iron line and we were lucky enough getting the judge to approve $351,000 from one line. So, I'm I'm acutely aware of the the expenses on that. Um, New

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Horizons page 25. Reason I'm looking at this is if we have the numbers that there of 130 feet for $10,000, we're talking about $80 a foot the installation of irriation piping.

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>> What? I'm sorry. What's the question? >> This is $80 a foot for the uh new piping. So the 130 >> 130 divide by >> um >> divided into the 10,000

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>> I believe there's well you can't just pull it out like that. Um it doesn't work that way. You have if you read through the rest of that there's valves there's other components to that that are included on it. Yeah. >> Um and you know this is one of the

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problems without having the backup on it. Um, you know, I we just don't have any other information on it for this. I'll just move on. Um, on Oyola, same type of

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issue. Page 27, uh, we have several leaks that cost $15,000. I know that it's difficult to determine sometimes um but um if we're replacing the valves

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I mean I guess this gets to the problem of not seeing what the numbers are just being asked to being the board that reviewed this. >> Mr. fan. This is one that um normally if

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it's a maintenance type item is this appears to be somewhat um it was not known at the time and maintenance could not get to it and asked if we could have the contractor do this installation, repair the valves, replace the valves. So that's why this one came up

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>> to get to get it done quickly because maintenance could not get out to it. Next for Pokei, page 29 of 58. Um, we've got 26 window shades for

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$8,800, which I calculate is $339 per shade. >> Is there a question or is there is that a comment? >> I'm going to ask some of the members of the a reasonable dollar amount for shades.

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That's why I didn't question it. I thought it was actually a good low number. >> So, we can't get them. >> That also includes installation. So, it's not just going to Home Depot and buying a stock shade. They're probably all customs sized as well. I was going

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to say that I recognize you don't go to Home Depot and pay $25 for it, but the dollar amount did just on there for me. Um, I believe that was the last one.

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Thank you very much. >> Okay. Um, Virginia, you have anything else on this? >> Yes, I do. Um the second item, um my sheet says page five. I think that one's still accurate.

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I had this question. I don't know if it was last month, but I didn't wasn't able to in on time and and I have the same question. Um it says during this the coughing was noticed.

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Don't you do the cipher this while you're doing everything? I mean, I don't understand why it wasn't included in the >> That's why it was listed as a design error as the cause, >> but then didn't you change that to a

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design omission? >> Um, is that the one we changed? >> It should be changed to a design omission because they they had not done the work yet. >> Right. So, as as far as our I know it's a little confusing, but our definitions state that if they have to rip out work and redo it, it's an error. If they

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notice it, but should have been included in the design, it's an omission. So, I know there's some So, that's why there was a good comment that it should have been an omission, not an error. Right. >> Okay. And and the person who missed this then was the architect.

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>> Yes. Should have been on the architect's drawings because it wasn't contractor didn't price it out. Therefore, the cost wasn't included. And it's just like flooring. If an architect misses showing new flooring in two classrooms that are supposed to be done and we want that

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work done, then it becomes an extra, but it's not an error. The arch we didn't pay for it twice. Now, we do >> I Yeah, I understand all that. Um I was just pointing out who the architect was. That's all. >> We also have a construction manager that

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does those walkthroughs. So, it's a really a team approach. So they collaborate on the work and what needs to be done and be intimate with this. >> And my other question was how old was this tiltup that that this coffin was deteriorating?

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>> Nobody knows >> at TEC. I I don't know. >> 1960s. >> Yeah. >> Probably. >> They're saying 1960s. >> Okay. >> All right. Is And is this common to happen? >> Yes.

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It it is for caulking back that long ago because the caulking didn't have the flexibility um and longevity like more of the sealant today that we're using. >> Yeah, I I think if you had put the date down of 1960, it it would have uh meant

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something different to me. I appreciate that. And then I had Michael covered some of these, but I did have I think it was Let me see if I can find it. Oh, my other question was find anything on the

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very last item, Pleasant City. >> You are correct. And that one will come back next month. >> Okay. Because we weren't told it was deleted. >> That's it. Thank you. >> Okay. Um David, can you go to the next page down

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as an example of the cost? Yeah, there we go. >> This one. Yeah. And down to the bottom where it shows the cumulative. There we go. I I guess just for my own clarification with the new policies, we don't have a

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per staff member level uh total accumulated on a project. >> Correct. >> It is a total project cost. >> Correct. >> And the superintendent is what? 500,000,000. >> 200 >> 200. So that number could go to 200,000

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before it gets to the superintendent. >> No, it's done. So that No, we can do it goes to the superintendent if the individual one is over is up to 200,000 >> over 100. >> The individual one or the total aggregate >> individual individual but the total

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project cannot exceed 500,000 or a million depending on size. So, in theory, um, our general manager can approve enough change orders up to 500,000 without having to go to the board or the

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court other than a report. So, you will see each one. So, we can't physically do that because as we take them, you'll start to add up. But that's why I think it was a great idea to include the log because you can see how things are tracking. And at any point if it's getting to where you feel like it's out

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of hand on the project, you say, "Hey, let's look at this a little further, get some more information on why there's so many change orders." And and that's why that log is there. >> Yeah, it was still confusing just seeing that number and not not being able to go back and say, "Okay, this person really

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should have gone the next level." >> Yeah, that one you have to look at individually. So each each individual change order if it's under 50 grand goes up to the GM and then up to 75,000 goes to me 100,000 Joe and on so you have to look at the individual one and it

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doesn't matter if it's one or or three um it go to that person for the each individual >> right and that's for each individual but nowhere on any of this do we show what the total amount is that's only listed in the policy >> total amount 500,000 or million or

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whatever policy. >> It's in policy, but we have a anything we see here to know when we're getting to that number. >> No, you and you're you're correct because the law Yes. And um maybe that is something we should add to the log is the which criteria it falls under like

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what is the delegated authority limit that uh that's a good >> Oh, I see what you're saying. >> It's either 500 or if a project is under $7.5 million for the GMP cost, then it falls under the $500,000 cumulative limit. it's over that it goes to a million dollars. So I understand your

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point is that it's not clear on the log what what category this falls under and that's an oversight from us because we understand the projects. We know where they are but I understand from from an outside point. So maybe that is something >> I think just what you said those two sentences can be two sentences on each

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of the underneath just to tell us >> what the limits are. >> We can we can add that to the law to to identify what the delegated authority >> we can we can add that right down here. That's what I'm saying. just add a couple lines there telling us so that we can say okay that one's 145,000

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um it can only go to this so again we're overseeing we can oversee and say okay no that's allowed to be approved under this method or no wait a minute you guys exceeded this makes sense >> that's a good point yeah I'll work on revising the laws to to accommodate that

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>> okay good before you move on I just want to correct myself that that warehouse was built in 1980 >> Oh wow >> a youngster Yeah, >> it looks worse. >> Big difference. >> Uh,

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we go. Yeah. >> All right. On FC1, anyone else with anything else or give a motion? >> I forget what the motion was that you listed in the minutes that you want for these, but whatever that motion is, I'll

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make it. >> I was confused from the minutes. I could this last month's meeting as to whether we're to be doing anything on this board just being advised we've seen it but then I saw that the well referred to as the standard motion that Cork has no

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objection to the board considering that was what was placed in the minutes. >> I think I think that's still okay because that's not saying we reviewed it >> or nor have you approved it. You just have you have reviewed it.

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So, Michael, >> which motion do you want, Michael? I >> I guess it depends on what the board is looking at, what we're supposed to only do it for that. >> Well, there's nothing we can do on FC1.

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There's nothing the board can do on FC1. It's done. So, it's basically we have reviewed it and discussed it. >> And maybe we leave it at that. has >> work has reviewed and discussed FC1.

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>> Period. >> Okay, that's my motion. >> With or without comments or >> uh discussed. So I guess discussed would be with comments. Okay, that's a motion. Do I have a second?

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>> Second it. >> Second by Jim Al. Any other comments or discussion? Right. Staff pus, please. Bruce Alexander. >> Yes. Also, I do want to take a second if I can. We had discussed the concept at

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the last meeting or the one before about what language to use where we were not being asked to take an action, but we were reviewing it um as as requested. And I think that we had actually had

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phrasiology that included that we had reviewed it in accordance with COR policies. Um and and the hope is that if if that's what happened and we have a standard

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expression to that effect that when we make these motions so that it's not different meeting to meeting that we have consistency in what it is we're doing. >> You're missing a lot. Yay.

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>> Anyway, Mr. Silva and Miss please mute yourselves. I forget Bruce I think there was that standard um I did not print the minutes out because they were I wasn't at most of the meeting but whatever that motion was seemed to include everything as you

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mentioned coordinating >> last the last sentence in the meeting minutes from last month says following discussions committee members agree that FC1 items should be noted as quote received pursuant to court policy and are entered into the official record

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asformational reports. Close quotes. >> Made aware that Cork has not reviewed the costs noted for each FC1 item. >> And I I would suggest that we not have a motion on this. Uh normally bodies do

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not approve reports, especially after they've been given because uh approving a report after it's been given serves no real purpose. uh and we can just put in the minutes that they were received and reviewed. Period.

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>> Yeah. I guess I guess Michael, my request would be and again because of consistency not just at this meeting but for future meetings that for FC1 items where we're not being asked to approve anything um but we're being advised of

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information that we grab that language that was quoted um and just put that every time so that it's consistent meeting the meeting. And um I I'm not sure if you were at that meeting, but I would certainly welcome your input as

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always, my friend, as to whether there's a better way to put that quoted language. I'm very comfortable with that quoted language because I think it's consistent with what we're being asked to do, which is to listen and be advised

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of information, not be asked to make a decision about it. I agree with you that a motion is not necessary. I think the minute should reflect for FC1 that absent anyone requesting otherwise that we grab the language that Virginia you

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had prompted and that was read I think by David exactly that way and that that be our approach moving forward meeting to meeting for FC1 items where we're not being asked to because it's to do anything because it's effectively

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already done. So that would be my request for consideration. Thank you. >> Can we pop up the minutes which is page 1091 of 1128 at the bottom which has um the motion that was made by Mr. Alexander uh quite properly and it has

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the exact quoted language there. But the one thing that doesn't uh include which I think is important that we did make comments and and staff is going to include some of these comments

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um such as with the log and other things. So I I I think it doesn't show that we yes we reviewed and discussed and commented on it. We can we can amend this quoted that

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quoted statement and say uh received pursuant to court policy and entered into the official record asformational reports and as discussed by the committee. >> I think we need to tell the board. I mean we spent a lot of time on FC1

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>> and we've maintained some information. staff has listened and you know maybe it'll affect future processes >> but that's a lot different than just you know forgetting the reports even in the documents. >> Yeah. So on the screen right now at the

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very bottom following discussion and in the bold is the motion that was made that was last month's >> right the motion was made and we actually voted and what they're suggesting is there isn't a vote but we want to put in the meeting minutes the

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quote just above it that says received pursuant to court policy blah blah blah and as Miss Ferris just mentioned as as discussed by the committee. >> Yeah. So, let's not have a motion. We put that language in there adding as discussed by the committee and leave it

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at that. >> Yeah. >> And we'll think about whether that's the right motion for next month >> or any motion. >> Is that acceptable to court members putting that language in adding as discussed and we do not have a motion and a vote?

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>> This is Bruce. The answer is yes from me. >> Okay. >> And to to Mr. Alexander's point there are an not very often but there are some occasional other reports for instance our fish report that goes to DOE that's kind of the same thing and be consistent with those kind of reports

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>> and it's still uh the one with the violations >> yes >> I guess it's just that we're still not comfortable with the fact that we don't get to review these ahead of time so that that's the little thing that keeps niggling at us

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>> what what's not reviewed ahead of time >> we cannot review these. They're already a done deal. We cannot >> Well, we don't Yeah, we don't have any action on them, but we review them before meeting, but not before they've happened. >> Right. Well, that's what I'm saying. So

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that's so we do spend a lot of time on them and I think there's a lot of good comments that come out of it and that's why I think just saying that we discussed it I think there were comments made that were you know >> but since we've had FC1 we've never had

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the opportunity to say no because it's always been a use of contingency that's already happened. I mean so nothing's really changed with the new policy for FC1. We've always just been an opinion and we can give our opinion to the board, but

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the board's going to say, "Okay, but what are we supposed to do? It's done." >> Maybe that's what needs to be in there. Of course, in the minutes, you're going to put everything that we discussed, correct? >> That's correct. >> Right. So, the board will see obviously that we discussed above.

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>> I mean, you're going to put in what was discussed. So, yeah, we need we need to keep that as part of the record. >> Yes. Yep. Okay. Uh FC3 Michael Gelfin, you were one that pulled. >> Did they do the polling?

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>> There is no vote. >> No polling. We're not voting. >> No vote. >> FC3 too. >> We had FC. You ready for FC3? >> FC2 passed. Okay. >> Consent. So FC3. >> That's true. >> I don't know if he pulled that. I pulled

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>> and Mike pulled too. So go ahead Mike. >> Um Mike my question. So, just to recap, uh they're in this is a request to increase the um construction budget >> up to up by $5 million.

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>> Entire project budgets. >> Entire project budget. Okay. Um so, I'm I'm asking, you know, where did that budget where did those budget numbers come from? And I'm seeing there one, two, three, four, five, six, seven

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additional services. Um, that total 4.2 million. The rest of it is other if let's see, we'll go to the page. >> Yeah, there's three.

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>> There's some other costs um insurance and staffing costs and testing and different things that >> Yeah. So, go to page three. Um, item 17, contingency. Um, $375,000

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of contingency is kind of added in there, which is 7 and a half%. And the original contingency was was less than that. >> I think we're increasing. >> That's the owner contingency. >> Oh, the owner content. >> Yeah, it's that that's the that's our

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money that's going into the project. It's not going into the contractor's PO. It's going into our budget for the project as the school district so that if little things come up, we have money available. You know, any change order gets paid out of project contingency.

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Yes. So, that's that's our money. That means that doesn't get spent unless we we go forward with some change. >> Okay. Builder's risk insurance uh seems a little bit high to me. If you go up uh to item 11,

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>> we agree. Talk to the insurance companies. >> We have a policy through the district and we actually get really good rates. We shop it around, but it's expensive. Really expensive. >> And that's that's to extend it. Uh we've already done one extension through builder's risk on this project. And so

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that's what we use to identify the estimated cost of another extension because based upon the the project duration, we expect to need probably another extension. because you're extending the project, the risk the risk goes up. >> No, it doesn't go up. It's just a longer duration.

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>> Builder's risk is is the insurance uh based upon a duration of construction. So, it's it was paid through I think it's September of this year. So, we expect it to have to be done again to pay for the continuation of the work to cover it. It's a it's a time based

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coverage. >> Okay. And then the first page it says it adds 182 calendar days. So, that's the time extension. Yes. Well, just so you know that the builder's risk is something we pay directly to our insurance and we we budgeted the amount

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for a whole year of extension. But if we if we for some reason only use eight months of that and we budget and we do an eight-month extension and it's less, then we just wouldn't pay that money. It would just be returned at the end of the project back to the funds. >> But the 182 days was what was already

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approved by Cork and the board in the past. >> And then we have an additional Yeah, that was >> I don't believe so. I think that's the further extension. >> No, the further extension is 536 days. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So, the 182 days is based on what

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value of change order? >> That wasn't associated with a dollar value. That was simply a um a non-compensible time extension. There are some costs with the 536 days that's outlined in here, but that initial one

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that was already approved was just a non-compensible time extension. >> So, who's who's asking for the time extension? Is it the contractor or is you or you giving them extra time? >> They've asked for it and we've So, the 182 um was asked for by the construction

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manager. It went through Cork and us and the board. It was approved. the 536 is on the table now that the contractor is asking for and some of it was um because of the unforeseen and some of was was the owner changes that we made on that building. So they're asking for 536

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days. Um as far as how much of that is compensible or not, that's still going to be negotiated and and brought back at a later date, but we we do have money in there for costs associated with having staff on site for that time. >> All right. I missed the 500 and something days. Where was that?

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You got to keep reading down further. Um I know it's a lot of information. It's on the main agenda item. >> It's page one. >> Yeah. >> On the proposed change. >> Proposed change order number 16. It's about line six. >> Oh, I see it there. Got it.

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>> Okay. Um go back to page uh three. There's a FFN technology ad. Um why is that >> why is that being thought of now and not in the original design criteria?

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Uh item sorry item 28 line item 28 it says uh FFN technology 250,000. Who came up with that number and what's that for? um that number came from it's a

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obviously an estimate at 250 grand, but it it has to do with all this the um servers and equipment that had to go on there. I'd have to get some background on it, but it was some estimated cost that we may need for um technology. Um there was FFN in the original budget of

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if you can see the above it that was planned for um but this is again this is a a ROM an estimate and all this we hope to we will we will be under it but um we're going to just pay for what we need to

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>> as part of what the hourly >> by that direct with vendors on she may have >> I was say I was say I was thinking Leanne's gonna say >> hello um I I happen to I've seen some of the information on the FFN technology. This is for the flat panels in the

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classrooms as well as a group of laptops that'll be on a cart that can be moved from room to room for testing purposes. So, this is the classroom technology that's going into the buildings. So, EdTE, our edtech department is the one that's working on these quotes with

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the department of adult ed to come up with what's needed. They actually came up with a much larger number and they've agreed to do a smaller amount and any additional technology needed would be coming from the adult ed department. This is just to get them started.

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>> All right. So, I'll go back then. Is is this technology in our design in the school board's design criteria? >> No, it's not. >> It's not in the construction department's design criteria. It may well. I I think part of the problem here

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is this is an adult ed building that's different than others that we've done before. So I think it's it's a very different type of con different type of project. So it it it's I think it just um slipped through that they didn't realize it was needed. I don't know that we well I don't I'm not sure what we're

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going to be doing in phase two of Roosevelt and in phase two of Historic Harbor, but we'll certainly I'm sure we're going to take this into account in the future to make sure we include these. Please do. >> And when Yeah. When we have um like when we do our our new elementary school in

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Westlake, we know exactly how much that was last year and it's a little premium more than last year. So, we know the cost. Um there's very specialized programs in here that are unique that we've never done before. So, there's a little bit more ambiguity, but um we work with the education group and our

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adult ed um director to make sure that it's appropriate for what we need and follow certain per purchasing procedures to buy it and work on co-op. So we we get to value what we buy is just out of my wheelhouse a little bit. So >> okay. Uh last question on the ACUs that

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are listed in this item. Have we reviewed those in the past or are they actual or are they estimates? >> Um so we have two estimates and the rest have already been approved on ACUAS.

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So >> there's two more that will be coming through at some point. >> Okay. Other questions? >> Michaela. Oh, sorry. Michael Gand. >> Thank you. Appreciate the explanations.

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Um, the tech line did draw attention. The explanation we just heard is that it's for classrooms, but the recommended action just mentions gym. So, I sort of circle back and appreciate

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Mr. Quita's attention to the detail and drawing this out. I think it's excellent. But the increase in tech million dollars for the gym, I still don't understand. >> Can you scroll down? I think the technology There's two pro two or three projects listed here. Where is the

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technology expense? Where is that at? >> 28. >> Yeah, >> it's in the the main project >> right here. >> 7390. Oh, >> the gym the gym project does not have the FFN technology. That's why the

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budget sheet is there because there are three project numbers involved in this project. It's one project but because of different funding sources. So the FFN technology is for the main project not for the gym and but a majority of the actual change orders that we need

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funding for are related to the gym. That's why the description says so. This budget item increase includes other things that for the project itself that aren't necessarily directly related. >> For instance, the builder's risk is related to the entire project, not just

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the gym. But yeah. >> Yeah. If I can, I want to add a little bit to this as to why there are three projects because it's it's um what we were doing was breaking the projects out. The main project is the one that was subject to the student station cost rules from the state of Florida. the

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renovation projects were not. Um I guess the new building is renovation is not and the gymnasium was also a renovation. We broke the gymnasium out because we received some state funds, a state grant because it was a historic building. So we broke these out into three projects.

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Um that really works very well on an accounting side um for my side of the world. Um it does not work well for construction for contractors. Actually, my staff hated it as well. When we did the process review from CRI, I specifically asked them to look at how

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we were doing this and they said, "It is not normal practice. We're not doing this anymore. We're not breaking the projects out into multiple pieces, but we are finishing up the projects that are already underway." So, when you see new projects come in, they won't be broken out like this. >> But from an accounting standpoint, we

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have a separate document where we track the in detail what is applicable for student stations all along the way. So that we still have to report that to the state. It's just not done through the payment application and and budget. >> Right. >> That goes back to streamlining and trying to make things work better,

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faster, but still give us all of the visibility we need. >> Oh. Uh reporting the those desks to the state applies to adult education. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. Education is viewed like a high

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school under the same guidance as a high school. Oh yeah. >> Um I had also pulled this but I think more for kind of a editorial lessons learned. >> Yes, >> we have seen this so many times.

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Every month we're getting something new that wasn't discovered. If we do another project like this, we have got to to do much more pre-esign investigation and figure out what is worth saving, what is not worth saving. Um,

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I love historical work, but you know, sometimes it's just not possible to save it. And we spend five times more saving it to kind of restore it. Um, this committee and the board's role is to try to, you know, get the biggest bang for

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the buck we can for taxpayer dollars. And I'm just getting dizzy every month getting multiple multiple multiple change orders on stuff that no, we didn't know that. Oh, this happened. Oh, we had, you know, guys screwed up on

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taking off some stuckco. Oh, >> yeah. >> Yeah. Can I respond to that? >> Yes. >> I I'm sorry. I think I have the floor. Um I I agree is there were there were several buildings that the district owns that are considered historic in nature.

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We don't have any buildings that are registered as historic, right? But there are ones there are building several buildings that um there's a lot of community attachment to this is this being one of them. Um and this is and and you're right these are expensive lessons to learn. Um but phase two of

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historic Roosevelt um the original plan was to to retain the facade of the buildings that face taring and basically rebuild everything behind it. From this experience um our plan has changed.

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We're going to actually just replicate those those buildings including the the facade which um we're sure is going to save us a bunch of money as well. Not only the money that we know but the money that we don't know because it's money that we don't know. But that the district owns a number of other

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buildings that will probably fall into this category. Um historic Carver uh down in Delray Beach. I I tell you we're going to we have plans of renovating that building. It's not as old as the gym I don't think. Maybe it is. Maybe it's around the same generation. >> Around the same generation.

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>> They're both around the same time. >> 50s. >> And um I know if we try to completely demolish that building, we're going to get a lot of a big outcry from the community. Um there's the the the auditorium at Jupiter Elementary School.

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Um that is historic in nature. It's not historic, but I'm sure we'll get a big cry from the community. There's a building in Lantana Elementary. is a building. I mean, even look at Drifford School, New York. Look at u look at Morgan School. Um look at look at um a

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Lake Worth Community High School. I mean, there's there's a bunch of these buildings all around. And um it may make sense financially to to to demolish them and replace them, but we're we're going to have a challenge doing that. I mean we even the state will would what typically happens is the state will what

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has happened in the past I won't say it's typical because it has has happened a lot but what the state will do is they'll ask when we ask for custo to permission to demolish them they'll ask us to get the local community or local municipality to agree to that and um typically

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well what has happened in the past is the communities will not agree to that we'll end up being put in in a position where we have to restore the building So, as much as I agree that, well, I I don't agree that we should tear down every old building. I don't think that's what you were saying either. It's great when we can restore buildings, if we

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could do it physically, you know, that that makes physical sense. Um, but I think that some sometimes it's it's taken out of our hands. Um, and that's we end up that position. So, I I don't want to make a comm that's why I don't want to leave the this meeting with the commitment saying we're never going to restore a building again because it's

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not that's not realistic. I'm >> suggesting I'm suggesting we need to do more pre-investigation. do more pre-investigation. >> We got to tear walls apart. We got to dig under footings. We got to find out is there a footing, >> right? >> Um we we have to know what we're getting into to know we're not going to have double the cost that we thought.

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>> I think I think everybody on the team will agree that we've could have done a better job with this one and we'll do a better job in the future for Absolutely. >> Michael, >> I don't think we've learned to think. Um, I go back to Lake Park, which was I

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think the first one that we've been building, which was before I was born. Probably none of the staff was around, but we discovered halfway into it that a facade, brick facade suddenly cost a million bucks. Back when a million bucks

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really meant something in a construction project. Um then we had the interessine warfare over the Bokeh L gym and both and the Jupiter L gym. Some of you may recall a county commissioner showing up

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to our meeting in person. Uh and we had quite a reparte with the general or the doctor at the time about that. Um and we rejected both of them because we knew

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that underneath the facade going to be millions of dollars of additional cost. Um and there the board had the institutional wherewithal to be able to say no to the political leaders of both

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municipalities. And you know, the Bo area was in my neighborhood and when Bokeh High and Joe, you remember this so well, we fought uh and we got stuck with the Gestaldi uh report because there were

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buildings in the middle that were kept that just made no economic sense going all the way around. Um, you know, one you've got neighbors groups that want to keep buildings and the expenses

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that could be utilizing for the educational processes um are being drained by these rebuilds. uh and you know I agree with the chair

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that we need to really you know dig in literally and figuratively understand what the costs are at the end of the day be faced with do we spend another $10 million to save a structure as part of a

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$30 million project that would have to otherwise and I empathize for the with the board at having to make those decisions but we could go back to what we did with Jupiter Loop, which is say if you want it, then the

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neighborhood pays for it. Um, looking at this one, it's it's another $5 million. So, in the specifics of this, um, this the justification has changed the project scope. What was the change of

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the project scope? >> Who changed the project scope? >> What was it? Okay. >> But was the change to the private school? >> Yes. >> Yeah. The we had we had u input from the alumni

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association from uh from historic Roosevelt and they made some suggestions to uh to to make some modifications. So we so some of those modifications we incorporated, some of them we did not. Um so some of it included creating some some uh some bleachers for them. Um,

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some of it included changing the flooring a bit. Uh, so so we incorporated some of those some of that input from the community to gain community support for that. And >> and part of that was due to that when we first did this design um phase two, we had no idea whether that was even going

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to go forward. And as we got through this um that is looking more and more like a you know a reality. So, we were able to repurpose some of the community space into phase two and utilize that more for our education and gymnasium

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purposes in phase one. >> I still don't understand what the the change in the project scope is. I mean, is it that we're using the gym now as a gym and it wasn't intended for that purpose because now we're putting in bleachers and a floor. What was it

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intended to do before? It was always intended to be kind of a community multi-purpose uh space function, but um it didn't it didn't really reflect uh the historic gym that the community was was looking for. And this is the second time we've kind of

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come across this. Um you may recall that we did historic Harbor um the renovation of that gymnasium and that didn't turn out as as great as I would as as this one's probably hopefully going to turn out eventually. It did cost less money though. Um, but

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that one we didn't incorporate all of the acoustics. We didn't because you know it we didn't incorporate the the the wood light floor. We didn't incorporate any of the bleachers. So uh we we kind of we wanted to make sure that we we got the input from the community to make sure that uh we had

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that buy in on this project whereas on car we could have probably done a little bit better. >> I I still don't understand what the change is. Was this supposed to be a What is the significant change in the

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use of the gym space? >> It's It didn't It didn't have basketball courts or rims before in it, right? Didn't have >> it was a common area whatever convention or meeting space. Uh uh now it is

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combination meeting space gym. And then on the east side, >> an auditorium type item rather than a a direct facility. >> Not even a good auditorium. Kind of like a big open room. >> Yeah. >> Because it didn't have the treatments.

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>> And in addition, I'm sorry. Go. My apologies. >> Is the city contributing anything to this change? >> The city is not. >> Yeah. And in addition, what Michael was referring to earlier for better cl for

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clarification, the original design had meeting rooms surrounding that open space like uh conference rooms uh you know larger classroom type spaces. Uh because at the time the gymnasium was

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to be a a uh an end all beall had everything. at all sorts of different spaces. Once we realized that phase two was going forward, a lot of those classroom spaces, meeting room spaces could now be constituted in that new phase two. Well, now that I don't need

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to have those classrooms, meeting rooms, that's where the opportunity to put the bleachers in and actually make it more of a gymnasium or a dualpurpose gymnasium as well as large open auditorium space.

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Mr. Chair, I seem to realize or recall that when this project came to us at the beginning, we had significant discussions about the lack of specificity of what the purpose was for this building because as we were, you

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know, building walls, windows, doors, hallways, we had concerns that what we were designing and then putting in would not meet the ultimate needs of the community and those who

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were involved in input. And I think all of our fears are coming home to roost with dollar signs, huge ones. >> Well, we're we're in it at this point. We have to get this done and make it a

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nice facility for the district and the community and we move on to the next one with the lessons learned. >> So what is the next step on this? So this is phase two. Is there any other changes that we're anticipating on change two?

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>> Phase two. >> Well, I don't want to call this phase two. This because I want to confuse because phase one is is the the west side of campus. Phase two is the east side of campus. So that's how we're using phases. But um with this change, the board has given pre-approval for us

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to go into the more details so that we can we can um complete the design work that needs to be done, complete the construction work that needs to be done all in the delegated authority. Now this includes the board issuing the delegated authority to continue to move forward with with the changes that are going to

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be needed. So, um I'm not sure if that answers your question in terms of what's the next phase, but if you need further clarification, let us know. >> Well, yeah. I mean, what I'm hearing is is that well, we've been utilizing phase

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two as these changes. >> No, this is all phase one. >> All phase one. Phase two is the demolition, I believe, of the other buildings that are along Tamron >> and rebuilding those completely with

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replica facades. >> Correct. >> That's phase two. That's only in the architect's hands at this point. >> Yeah. >> And is that within the revised budget of 327, the architect and the rebuilding, or is that going to be another request?

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>> A separate project all together. totally separate project that I imagine has a budget and uh we'll see where that is. Um >> what's the working plan budget for phase two? >> $30 million.

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>> So this is going to be a 60 plus million project. >> This is it's two different projects. >> No, but together they're going to be >> the same campus, but it's two different projects. We call them phase one and phase two because they're on the same campus, but they're

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two separate projects. It was separate solicitation for that for the architect and for the CM. It's essentially two different projects. >> How much was the Garcia the new >> 90 >> 90 believe Garcia High School was 90

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>> construction? >> 105 105 was overall project I believe. >> Am I right L? >> 86. >> Yes. Yes. Garcia High had a budget of $105 million. >> All right, I want to move on. Um,

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anything else, Michael? >> No. >> Okay. Need a motion for FC3? >> I'll make a motion for it to move forward to the board. >> All right. I need a second. >> Second. >> Okay. Virginia. Yes. Yes.

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>> All right. Any other discussion comments? Our staff call us, please. Bruce Alexander, >> yes. >> David Porter, >> yes. >> France Makaboo. >> Jim Al. >> Yes.

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>> Michael Gilan, >> no. >> Michael Guida, >> yes. >> Hamburger, >> yes. >> Virginia Ferris, >> yes. >> And that's everyone. Okay. Uh, Michael, provide a brief reason for your descent

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for the minutes, please. The concerns at the beginning of the project have come to roost. That is is that without a good scope of use, we're putting significant expenses,

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redesigning and rebuilding. Thank you. Mr. Mr. B is I'm not going to argue back and forth with Mr. Mr. the galin but um I don't recall us ever submitting plans for cork to review and give detailed

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responses on how the space was used. I think I've attended every court meeting but I don't I don't recall that being done so and we have a different recollection. >> Right. >> Well, you're right. There weren't detailed and that's why we had the

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discussions at the beginning. Okay. Uh FC4 MUDA. >> Um this project is to add a a parking lot to the east of the uh Forest Hill High School. >> Y >> and

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>> needed. >> Yeah. I've been in on campus before um during sports events and that's there's no parking. Uh my concern is though uh is this first of all is this parking for the students or the staff?

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>> It's just for staff. >> Just for staff because you have to cross the road >> because that was my next concern. If it was to be for students, what provisions are being put into place to protect the students when crossing that street? We have a we have a like a logistics plans that we worked out with the school where

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specifically where students can now park and where staff have because of this because you know we we can't students crossing the road >> and I have no further questions. That was my biggest concern was for the students. >> Okay. Yes.

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>> Um I did not see the plans. I missed that. But is there decent lighting on the other side of the road? It's being added. I think on the quote there are like the 10 six or 10 uh parking lot lights

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right now. >> Will that be sufficient? Because I've been there for sporting events too and at night it's dark >> everywhere. We're not um we're not addressing the entire campus lighting, but the new parking lot has phototric

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studies and providing new lighting there um for that. >> That's good. I heard photometic. I'm happy. >> That's a big word. >> Phototric. >> Yes. >> Uh Mike Gelfan. Um, is there going to be any type what

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what type of boundary will it be having with the neighborhood adjacent to this? >> What type of boundary are we just going to be having a a fence along the east side along the road that's there or something else?

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>> I think it's >> I believe it's just a fence. Yes. I'd have to look at um we've met with the city. We've um submitted plans to the city um for that coordination. Um I don't recall exactly, but I believe it's just the fence. Yes.

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>> Right. And is the city are going to cooperate with the closing of the road or do we have a problem with that? >> No, the road will not be closed. >> No, he's talking. >> Oh, the alleyway. Yes. >> Alleyway. >> The alleyway. Um yes, we've coordinated all that with the city.

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>> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. Nothing else. Motion, please. >> Move to go forward. >> Second. >> Second by Jim Mald. Any discussion? Staff P, please. >> Bruce Alexander. >> Yes. >> David Porter.

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>> Yes. >> Moo. Jim Al. >> Yes. >> Michael Gilfan. >> Yes. >> Michael Guida. >> Yes. >> Tom Ber. >> Yes. >> And Virginia Ferris. >> Yes.

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And yes, for France as well. >> All right, we're down to FC6. See, Virginia. >> Oh, yeah. In reading the the comments or the backup um for the meeting. It um

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it's the answer kind of confused me. It it said it's going to be another three million needed and the answer was yes. Um, >> yeah, >> I thought that was confusing. Also, >> where where's the extra three million coming

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from? And uh, >> no, the the question was was there already 3 million at in or at Lincoln >> and that the answer is yes. There was already $3 million here. So when we when we didn't have to do the renovation at

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Lincoln, we just moved the money over and so we're combining it to that's why it's a zero cost to the district. We're just reallocating funds that would have been done to renovate here to do part of renovation for the actual growth. >> So there's not another 3 million

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required. >> No, it already exists. >> All right. It it just confused me. Thank you. >> No problem. >> I was also confused by the answer when the answer was just yes. because it was kind of two questions but one yes.

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>> Okay. Uh let's see. Michael, you had pulled this too. >> Got the questions answered. Thank you. >> Okay. Need a motion, please. >> Move to go forward. >> Need a second. >> Second. >> Second by Jim. Um any discussion?

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Staff Polus, please. >> Bruce Alexander. >> Yes. >> David Porter. >> Yes. >> Makaboo. >> Yes. >> Jim Ald. Yes, >> Michael Gilan. >> Yes, >> Michael Guida. >> Yes,

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>> Tomberger. >> Yes, >> Virginia Ferris. >> Yes. >> Nice everyone. >> All right. PC1 Mike. >> Um, real simple question. Um, part of these, uh, qualifications are submitted

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people's licenses. um and contractor's licenses are expiring the end of August and their city or county licens are expiring at the end of September. What's the process that the board has in place to get those

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updated documents after approval of these said um businesses approvals? So, we do um reach out for um the updated all of the

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updated licensing and the certificates of insurance and that sort of thing. Um if it does expire and we have it and that vendor submits a proposal for a project, an ITB and RFP, part of the requirements to be awarded

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that project is to ensure that they do have those licenses in place at that time. So, even if it expires on this pre-qualification list, we have it and it's valid at the time that they're being pre-qualified. If it should drop off, if they were to be um recommended

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for award, we would ensure that they have their licensing. That's that's part of our checklist for awarding a project. >> Okay. So, you're not actively asking them for it unless they're bidding on a project >> when it gets close because August is

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that timeline when the um the DVPR licensing is expiring. So, um around this time of year, yes, we do ask for it and and most of them will submit it, you know, after the fact. >> BCS when a project is submitted for permitting, we'll request it as well if

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it's required. There's other opportunities for the the contractor or the consultant to resubmit their documents. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> No further questions. >> Okay. >> Michael Gand, you had full.

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>> Yes. similar um on page 251 of 1128 dealing with the 2 SBW um request. Um the certificate of insurance had expired before the agenda time and I

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think there were a couple of other ones that had the same type of situation. >> I have the same response to that question. >> Um All right. I think insurance was the same same issue. Those were the my own items.

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Thank you. >> Okay. Motion for PC1, please. >> I'll make a motion for it to move forward to the right. >> A second. >> Second. >> Second by Virginia. Okay. Any comments, discussion? Staff pus, please.

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>> Bruce Alexander. Yes. >> David Porter. >> Yes. >> France Makaboo. >> Yes. >> Jim Al. >> Yes. >> Homburger. >> Yes. >> V. And Virginia Ferris. >> Yes.

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>> Mr. Gan. >> I'm sorry. Michael Gilfan. >> Yes. Thank you. >> And Michael Guida. >> Yes. >> There we go. >> Okay. PC2 Virginia. You pulled it and I pulled it. >> Um. Yes. I'm not questioning the need

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for for a roof. What I am curious about it said that it received the roof received an F in 2022 and it was built in 2002. That's 22 years. Um is that standard for the for

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the need for a roof? What kind of roof is this? Is this the type that we do now? Do we expect a longer life than 22 years? our our warranties on our roof are 20 years. Um, so that's the expected

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lifespan. Some can last a little bit longer than that and often they do and some do not. So, >> some with maintenance on it. We can we can patch small areas and things like that to >> that's why we do the the um roof reports because we monitor the condition of the

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roofs as we go because some it has to do with a lot of factors, you know, sun exposure, everything about how long the roof lasts. So, if we can get more mileage out of it, we keep it going to prolong it as long as we can. Um but some of them don't last much longer than

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the 20 years that the warranty is. So, what type of roof was this? And are we still using this type of roof? >> Um, similar. It's a builtup flat roof. What they call um modified Benjamin builtup roof.

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I don't know if that means anything, but it's it's a flat roof that it's not flat. We say flat roof, but it actually does slope about a quart inch per foot to the drain, but it's not a pitched roof like your house. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Are they ballasted with rock?

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>> No. >> No. We We went away with that years ago, right? >> Went away with the >> Yep. >> Yeah. I only pulled this one because I remember approving being on the selection committee for this school on court. So, it shows that I'm getting way

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too old. I was on the original selection committee and now I'm approving a roof replacement. So, that's all. >> It's not tearing down the school. I actually met architects recently who are in the later years of their career

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and have come back and said and one of them actually somebody I know in the room who's um they uh well they have designed our schools and we're now knocking them down and redoing them and they're they're feeling really old.

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>> Yeah. A couple >> tell me about it. I've got a big birthday coming tomorrow. Tell me about it. Feeling old. Thank you. >> I built that school. >> Oh my god. >> We did a lousy job on the roof.

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>> 1998. >> Get your wallet out. We need some contribution. >> I move forward. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh need a second. >> Second. >> Okay. Thank you, France. Uh any other

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comments, discussion? >> Staff poll us, please. >> Bruce Alexander. >> Yes. Viv Porter, >> yes. >> France Makabu, >> yes. >> Jim Al, >> yes. >> Michael Gilfin, >> yes.

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>> Michael Guida, >> yes. >> Tomberger, >> yes. >> And Virginia Ferris, >> yes. >> All right, that completes our discussion items down to staff updates.

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Do >> you want to talk about follow-ups? Yeah, but that's that's further down the list. >> Oh, guys, >> staff updates. Okay. Um, oh gosh, my my comments are um I'll I'll be as brief as

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you all know me to be. Um, >> no, I I this is my opportunity to thank everybody. This is my thank thank you to everybody. Uh, the the efforts that we've gone through to get into this building at Lincoln. Um, Erin, Jasmine,

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David, thank you very much for everything you guys have been doing. All right, Jud. Um, I I want to point out that Jud had it had it strategic so that everybody else is up on the second floor in the back of the building and I am located on the first floor up in the front of the

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building. So, nowhere near them. Um, but thank you very much to all the the staff for putting up with it. Um it's been a challenging move in and as uh those of you present have may have just recognized we have some other small smaller visitors who are joining us as

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well. Um so it's been a bit of a a a struggle getting into this space. Um I really appreciate what everybody's been going through and especially knowing that everybody's got a lot of stuff going on these days. So of course on the construction side we all have a lot of

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construction projects. Summer work is is our busy time. We all just finished up the end of the school year. We're all now working towards getting to to opening the new school year. So, there's a lot of efforts going on. Um, and in addition, where I never give any

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applause are to our finance team and to our purchasing teams because July 1st, just last week, was our new fiscal year and that's a giant nightmare for all of them. It's an incredibly difficult time because they're trying to close out last

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year's books and uh POS and rolling new POS and whatnot and the um the torture that they're going through right now is immense. And I I really want to thank them for showing the grace that they have. I know it's a difficult time and

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everybody's stressed, but um and I think that was your word from two years ago was grace. >> Grace. Yeah. And I I really do appreciate the uh the efforts that everyone has u put forth in showing that it's a tough time, but we're all we're all in this together. And I I do want to

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um stress that it is a a big team effort and thank you very much. >> Can I introduce my quick? So I just have a couple of interns here. Neither wants to be an architect or a contractor. Maybe because of this meeting. I don't know. I don't think so. >> But but I wanted toh introduce them. We

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do have we have several interns throughout the school district in various different departments and these facilities are are working in my office. I want to give an opportunity just to quickly introduce themselves. So Morgan and Denny >> uh hi my name is Morgan Bes. I'm going into my senior year at Drifus where I'm

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a communications major. >> All right. >> Hello everyone. I'll stand up. Hello everyone. I'm Dana Griffith. I go to Atlanta Community High. Uh I want to be in the medical field. Not sure exactly what, but I'm interested in IT

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and I'm interested in law. So hopefully I'll be somewhere there in the future. Nice to see everyone. >> Um yeah, I have some general updates. I I'll keep it brief as well, but um we have officially um gone live with our

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Cassu Cahooa software, but not operating out of Kahua software, if that makes sense. So um uh we've kicked it off. We've um starting to import import projects, starting to work for the details. We're doing test runs of payment applications, change orders. We haven't abandoned anything that we're doing currently, but we're kind of

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running it side by side to work out the kinks of the program. Um so hopefully in the next few months, we'll continue to use that more and more. Um and that will tie into some of the reporting that we submit to Cork and the public and a lot of different things there. So, if you just to refresh, that's our

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comprehensive uh project information management software that we've implemented. So, we're excited about that. >> And how does that relate back to the old Trigga? >> It it interfaces with our um finance programs. Um there is a connection one

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way. So, it takes the data. Trigga feeds into Peopleoft. Peopleoft feeds into Cahooa from a financial standpoint. Um but it doesn't go the other way. So that way there's one source of truth for pine um people. >> Yeah, we still have Triga. This is not replacing Triga. This is for

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construction only, >> different purposes, right? >> Um as Dave mentioned, we're we're kind of neck deep in our summer work. We're halfway through the summer. Um pushing on a lot of projects, a lot of lot of um fire alarms, parking lots, um things, flooring, stuff that has to get done for

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the start of the year. So, and it's an exciting time to say that the least. Um the um we're starting to roll out some new referendum projects. Um so you'll be seeing some of those come through. I know the one that I wanted to bring up in particular was um just because we

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promised we'd bring it back to you is the turf projects. Um I know we owe it to you to at least give you some opportunity to have some input on those. Um those were those have been pulled forward to expedite them because there's a there's a huge need and desire from the schools and the district to get

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those installed. So we will be bringing back an opportunity for court to be able to provide their feedback. I know you expressed in the past that you wanted to have the opportunity to do that. So that'll be coming soon. Um >> I think what we had requested was show us how it's better. >> Yep.

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>> Yep. >> Um in addition to that, um we're kind of getting towards the back end of our raw study. If you remember, our raw study is our facility condition assessment districtwide for all the schools. um they're expected to be done by the end of the year. So they're going out with a

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team visiting every school um providing us data of what needs to be done at these school very detailed extensive data. Um so we're working right now of how to consolidate that data into a useful plan for the uh future what we're

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calling FCA projects that we've kind of completed in the first round and this is the next round round of work. So uh that's an ongoing effort and uh we'll continue to work towards that. Just a question on that. How is how is it perceived in terms of taking what are

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going to be maybe very small project doorork knobs and turning it over to CMS or is it going to be kind of a a self assembled maintenance team that just kind of like a SWAT goes in and attacks >> each school those items? Um, generally

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speaking, it's going to be similar to what we're doing now where it's large CM projects between the our our average project that from what we've estimated. So, I want to preface this. We we got a two pilot schools that we did. So, we're basing our recommendations right now on those two pilot schools and we haven't

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fully evaluated all the data came in. So, we're assuming that those two schools hold true to 183. We know it's not going to be exact, but with that, we've estimated our average project size is right around $6 million. Um and we're estimating that we would do

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um over the course of the next t um one project on what we're calling the new schools within that are less than 20 years old or so and two projects of anything older than that of that six million and that's based on two things a tabletop study and the pilot of the two

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detailed studies that we have. Now, as we get that, we may re-evaluate that. There will be certain functions like this one that we're going to say, "Hey, this is perfect for a term vendor that we have that we can pull out and do. It's more cost-effective. It's a better cost advantage for us.

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>> We don't have to wait." Um, but for the most part, it'll be done um as as a larger CM project. >> But you mentioned every school is getting that inspection and report. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Because I think I know for the one of the previous referendums, we just

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took an elementary school, a middle school, and a high school and only did a cursory of those and they use assumed that all the elementary schools are going to be like that. All the middle schools and obviously we missed a lot of budgets that way. >> No. And if you if you look at the data we have, it's it's it's a good thing,

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but it's overwhelming the amount of data that we're going to have to be able to make good decisions on and prioritize and and we're in the system. you can say you can prioritize work, you can group work together, you can package everything up so that's most efficient and there's lots of things to do. So

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that's a huge effort in itself but um we'll we'll work with the teams we're working with um maintenance as well to figure out what's the best way to tackle this work. >> Yes. >> Uh Virginia, go ahead Virginia. >> Virginia, in this review of schools, do

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you redo the roofs again or is the roof study separate? >> It's yes and no. So, they do take a look at the roof and provide their input at that time. Um, but they're not spending a ton of time on the roof because we do the the yearly reviews of the roofs separately from that. So, but they do

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they do take the reviews that we've already done import that data. Um, they do double check it, you know, but it's not an our our roof reports are a little more detailed than what our consultant is doing on the roofs because of that. So, we tried to, you know, there's a couple things. um we we we're not

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looking at every individual portable. We have a kind of a group of portables based on the age of what work needs to be done because it wasn't worth the spend to go look in every portable and figure out the same scope of work. So where we're trying to we're trying to be efficient with it and save money where we can but at the same time get the

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amount of data that we need to to move forward to work. >> When when will court get an understanding of what's needed and and what you're going for in the in the referendum? Good question. >> Yeah, I mean the as you know that the

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bulk of the the dollar value is spent on this the FCA type work. Uh that's over a billion dollars of it. Um so that we will not have a full package from a consultant till the end of the year. Um at any point we can talk about some of the other other programs that we will

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bring forward to do such as the turf. one element of one in school enhancement that the voters voted on to to do. So, we'll be bringing those forward as we get through the programs as we kick them off. Um kind of explain the scope of what we're looking to do um and uh bring

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to court so they have an idea of what's going on. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um last item I know we've brought um in the past and and I just want to bring it back up. So, August um I want to make sure that the court members have

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it on their agenda to um so the next August meeting we'll be looking for um feedback from court members on our proposed contract changes. You say, "Wait, we haven't gotten those yet." That's correct. Um so, we're working on getting pulled that data. Um we have a

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cons we we have staff comments. Um we're working with a consultant to get their comments. We do not have those yet. as soon as they provide them our what our plan is to issue it to corp two weeks before the the meeting and then we will have it go over anybody's comments at

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that meeting. So we're going to have all the big ideas of the contract language that we're changing along with the contract language so you can see exactly what it reads. Um we did if you remember back we did a presentation of what are the big ideas that were changing in contract just on concept level. Um, now

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we're going to take that same presentation, add the contract language in for Cork to be able to provide further detail, um, rather than just a concept level. Um, from that point, and I'll get to you just second, Miss Ferris. Um, from that point, it will go

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out to our new selection on September 1st is when we're going to advertise that for our new construction manager, seven and a half and under contract. So, as you can see, we're we're, you know, really pushing to get this done and out on the street. Um, and that, um, >> you all heard that, right? September

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1st. >> That's We're gonna make sure we get it out. >> Virginia question. >> I was just curious. I didn't quite catch which contract. Is it construction? Is it architect? Is it Which contract are you talking about?

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>> Yep. So, it's our construction manager contract. And we've combined the um under two and under under four that we had the last time around into one contract. That's an under seven and a half. Um, so it's one contract for all of our projects under seven and a half million for our construction managers.

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RCA >> under what is the dollar amount? It's I couldn't quite catch that. >> 7.5 million. >> Thank you, >> Michael Gilin. >> So, um, we're going to have really an

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entirely new contract, not just amending an existing one. Is that what I'm perceiving? It's it it's amending the existing contract, but the the changes are are pretty extensive. Yeah. >> All right. I'm wondering if there's a value to have a red line so that we can

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see compare with some comments for nonobvious reasons for changes to to assist in our evaluation. >> Just he wants red line. wants the final red line version and I think that's something that we can at least look

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into. Yes, you know, we've been working from that and um the reason I'm I'm being all cryptic is because uh we've been doing the red line, but it's now a red line, it's a purple line, it's a green line because there have been so many different people that have weighed in. So, our version of that right now is

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is is a is a myriad of colors. But yes, I believe that's something we can work out for. understand at 2:30 this morning I finished the third level review of a 56page construction contract that has uh a playground of colors. So understand

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that. The other part of it is uh you know a lot of time changes are self-explanatory. It's many times they involve a different policy perspective or explain a conflict. There can be bubble comments

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that accompany that location. I I do want to set the expectation though that um what what we're doing is bringing the main points to Cork um to review the exact language of those main points. Um and then Cork is going to get

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one chance to provide us feedback and then the district upper management is going to make the decision of which of those feedback we're going to accept and not. The same thing with our consultant. They're providing feedback and then a group of the district is going to make the final decisions on that. So, I don't want this to to be understood that

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there's multiple rounds of revisions and then everybody's going to be happy with the changes. Nobody's going to be fully happy with the changes. It's going to be a compromise of what we think is in the best interest of the district, but we're going to consider everybody's opinions in it. >> Um, and last request on that, if you

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could put line numbering in so that as we have questions, we are all literally on the same line and it helps. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you. Anything else, Michael? >> Um, not on that, but on general staff

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questions, is this an appropriate time for that? >> Sure. >> Yes, sir. Um so with the constitutional proposed constitutional amendment on real estate taxation recognizing that

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the proposal does exemptions for school district taxation. We do have a number of agreements with county and municipalities for joint use of for example parks and uh other recreational facilities.

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Do we have any concept as to if this passes, what's going to happen when the counties and municipalities we have agreements with are no longer going to be able to afford to maintain those facilities?

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>> I I u I I understand what you're asking because I just saw on the news last night that they're looking to charge us $4 an hour or something like that to go to the beach um as as a potential revenue generator. And so I can see your concern about are they going to double

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back and no longer be willing to um partner with us at no cost? Are they going to start charging us? I think the answer to that question is we don't know. There's there may be a case. >> Leanne knows everything and and her hand

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pops up green interestingly on my screen. >> I don't know that I have the answer either. I just wanted to expand on your question. It's the county, it's the cities, it's children's services council. There are a lot of organizations that would be negatively impacted by that constitutional

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amendment. And while it doesn't impact us directly, we certainly will be impacted behind the scenes on that. We just don't know how big it could be. If you think about it, the county pays for the crossing guards at all the schools. Um, Children's Service Council provides

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funding for all the afterchool programs for um for for some students that are um with low income. Um there there could be very significant impacts, but we don't know what those are yet. We're certainly

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monitoring it very closely. So, we've got a couple of months maybe before the the Tallahassee folks start to gear up their campaign. Um, you know, I don't know where the

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school board is on this. I presume you'll >> It's very tricky and I think what they're finding they're limited in what they can do just as we are. Um, there is also the 60% vote that they have to get to pass it. And the polls that that I've seen in the

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newspapers and and the various sources say they don't have the 60%. It's running like 54 55. Um, I think you're going to see a lot of information coming out of organizations like the League of Cities and um other large organizations

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within the state that represent the counties and the cities. I I think they're going to be leading the charge because they have the biggest impact. Um I would not be at all surprised if they come in and point out things of how they would impact schools because nobody wants to impact schools. So we're we're

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watching just as you are. >> I am I question whether people want to >> hold on. I was just going to use this opportunity because, you know, it's not my place to tell people how to vote. I will inform people about how we are impacted and and

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you're correct for bringing this point up because even though people may think that we're not impacted because schools are excluded, we are impacted because we do count on the the county and municipalities to share cost and a lot of things with us. Traffic signals, you know, roadway improvements, um you know,

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just traffic improvements in general. Uh we have a number of schools that are adjacent to parks that are maintained by municipalities in the county. Um that's could be impacted. So yes, I I just don't I don't want the voters to think that they're that that school districts will the school district not be impacted

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because we definitely will be impacted in some extent if this does pass. >> Well, will we be getting that word out? Will the school district do some of that trying to get that word out? This is such such a horrible horrible idea with a terrible impact that uh from you know

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reading comments on the neighborhood website, you know, they're all saying, "Oh, don't listen to to the the um counties. They got plenty of money. Don't listen to the cities." I mean, these senior citizens are are

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I don't know where their head is. >> Yeah. I I don't I don't think I don't recall the board taking this up as a as a board yet. So, I don't I don't think this has happened yet, but maybe maybe one of our board members would make this a a discussion item at an upcoming meeting so they can determine, you know,

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if they want to take a position on it one way or another >> and and I would certainly like some talking points so that I can use it personally as to when they say, "Oh, schools won't be affected as to how they really will be affected." So, if you're

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coming up with talking points, please share them with me. >> I'd like to end this conversation really not a cork purview item. I know we're all concerned about it, but I want to just finish off our meeting if we could.

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>> I second that. >> Well, I'll just say that we do review agreements with municipalities, the joint use agreements. So it goes in there. And from a mutual perspective, I

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would urge the school board to consider contingency planning as to if this passes with a list of what the anticipated impacts are so that the school board understands that and perhaps that would be distributed to folks like us also.

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>> Okay. In progress FCA work. I'm I'm uh to expedate um I'm going to avoid bringing up the uh you all can look at at it online. Um we are continuing on a lot of work. Um you can I welcome you to

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open up and up the uh presentation and look at it and note that West Riviera is coming to completion. We are down the final stretches of I think uh as is every project um every contractor in here has experienced the the joy of

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trying to get the elevator um completed. Other than that, it's uh it's very well um towards finished. >> Dave told me the purchase being delivered today. >> For sure. I saw the furniture photos this morning that they're going in. So um so that school is um uh going to be

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ready. Uh, as a matter of fact, there will be some communications going out uh through the communications department as to that opening of that school. And forgive me, Joe, I always get them wrong. That's the 35. >> That's the K2. >> The K2.

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>> West Rib is the K2 and Bthun is the 35. So, that's the other big update for us coming the end of this year. Now, we didn't have a lot to do on Bthoon. Um, but is going to be transitioning from a K5 to a three, grades three to five. And

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the new West Riv elementary is going to be a K2 school >> and for um and uh yeah, we got a lot of other work going on, but I'm not going to belabor any further. So, >> any questions?

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>> Follow up. We only had uh one little comment there. I guess it's still in the county's hands to deal with it. >> Yes. >> Well, this is the um >> that's my understanding. >> Yeah. >> Were they KV's working? >> As of two days ago, it was >> Yeah.

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>> still negotiating. Okay. >> Approval of minutes. Anyone with issues on the minutes? I guess you all are muted. All right. >> No, we rely on Virginia for that. If she doesn't talk, we're good.

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>> I I I do have a comment. I I I I was so frustrated not being able to get my link to work. I just wish the minutes could note that because in bold print under everything, it said Virginia Ferris was not present. So,

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>> I my my heart was there. I was trying furiously to get the proper link to get in. >> We appreciate that and we're so sorry that the the snafoo's on that. And I think um thanks to Erin, by the way, because I think she um was trying to

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make sure that you got >> Yes. Yeah, she sent me she sent me a special notice. >> Okay, great. >> I really appreciate it. I appreciate it. But I did also get David's >> Gand. I appreciate the roll up of all

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items in in one package and it helps out. Two comments if I may. Uh one, if there's will be a reference that we could use for everyone as to pagation that makes sense. Uh you don't have to give me an answer now, but the next

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meeting so that you know we're we're all on the same page literally. Uh second, if the documents that are put in can be um uh all put in so that we can mark them up with highlighting. Uh some of

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the FCI items have that ability, some items don't. Usually it's it's an OCR process. Um and that would assist in reviewing and getting this the right place. But uh overall, do appreciate it. Thank you.

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Okay, review and set our next agenda. I don't think we've asked for anything specific to come back to us. >> Anyone have something they know they want staff to bring back next month? Well, then that'll be our regular meeting contract.

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>> What we're going to bring back next month, >> right? Next Cork meeting is August 13th, >> 3 days after the start of school. >> Wow. Okay. >> Yeah. Perfect timing for us. >> Start school. Yes, it's often times it's like right right there. But yeah,

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>> anything by any other members. >> Okay, then we are adjourned. >> Thank you. >> Thank you everyone. Have a good rest of the summer. Hi everybody.