Thank you, ma'am. Are you recording? Yes, sir. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to the city of Park Council meeting. Um, will you please uh all stand so we can have
invocation chapel? Dear God, bless our city for help Parker with our peace and love. May all who enter here experience our calm and embrace. May we always feel with
kindness and patience and understanding towards one another. May we always seek to bring joy and harmony to our city. Bless our first responders and our military. Amen.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please be
seated. How's everybody today? Good. So before we start with the items on the our agenda tonight, um would you please call the role? Yes. Miss Barrow here. Miss Potterford here. Mr. Chapel here. Mr. Haney here. And Mayor Kelly
here. Thank you ma'am. As always we ask if there's anything that's not on the agenda uh and you'd like to come and talk about a subject matter, please approach the podium, state your name and your
address. Uh I open the floor. Good evening. My name is Melanie Boyd and I live at 5117 Stratford Avenue. I'm concerned about large covered dock that's under construction at 4935 Sharon
Drive. This structure extends into the navigable waterway, limiting public access and creating a hazard for boers, particularly during low tides. It may also violate state and local regulations and has a significant negative impact on neighboring
properties. A summary of the concerns are obstruction of navigable waterways. The dock extends into the central channel of Parker Bayou hindering boat access particularly during the low tides which are noticeably lower in the winter. Public trust violation. Under
Florida's public trust doctrine, the structure infringes on shared access rights. permit and code violations. It's unclear if local zoning and environmental or state laws have been thoroughly followed. The dock may exceed
allowable dimensions or encroach on sovereign submerged lands. Storm water and risk management. Um the dock blocks access into a crit critical dredging point that um recently was dredged. Thank you very much. um to manage the
storm water infrastructure, risking environmental non-compliance, private nuisance on property and property impact. As waterfront property owners, we all have our right to an unobstructed view under common law. The structure devalues and
restricts the use of neighboring properties, possibly qualifying it as an unlawful encroachment under Florida common law. The size and placement of the dock diminish the use and enjoyment of the adjacent properties. So, my request is that the city issue a
cease and desist order stopping construction pending investigation, coordinate with the DP for a full site inspection and permit review, ensuring new construction does not unreasonably interfere with neighboring property rights, including our views. Ensure compliance with all
municipal, county, and state regulations, and modify the plans, reducing the impact on neighbors and property owners. Parker Bayou is a beautiful and cherished natural resource and its charm lies in the minimal encroachment into
the waterways. While every property owner has those rights, those rights must be balanced with the broader interest of the community and the environment. I respectfully request that the city pause construction on the structure and allow time for a full site inspection, one that includes an
evaluation of its impact on neighboring views, waterway accessibility, and navigation. The potential negative consequences of this project should not be overlooked. I thank you for your continued commitment to protecting our waterfront and preserving the character
of our community. Thank you, Miss Boyd. Before I answer her, is there anybody else that would like to talk about this subject? Hi, Joseph Huffer, 5033 Sharon Drive. Um, I recommend the same thing. However,
I want to point out the permitting aspect of this docket. They did a selfcertification which is for docks less than a thousand square feet. However, there was a self-certification done by the previous owner which is transferable to this owner in in 2023
and it states on that permit that there or that certification that it's only good for one dock. So instead of modifying that dock and getting a permit, a an individual permit as you would with FD, they went and got a
second self-certification, which is inappropriate because it doesn't give anybody an opportunity to review the design. And the design is specifically right at 1,000 ft. And once they put that lift in, it's going to be greater than a,000 square feet. So, I think
they're bypassing the regulatory review process and trying to sneak in a doc that shouldn't be there. And we should ask them at at a minimum to go to the FD and take the self-certification they apply for and make it an individual
permit so everybody has an opportunity to comment on it. Thank you for your time. Thank you, sir. Before I answer this question, the second batch of questions, is there anybody else that would like to talk about this subject? Come to the podium, please. My name is
David Boy, 517 Stratford Avenue. I want to thank you, mayor, council members, Mr. Sloan, for doing your job. We know you don't get paid well. It's love Parker. Thank you. Thanks, Dave. All right, so uh Mel and I submitted a formal complaint to the D uh because that's the only way to get it done. Uh,
and so we're not mad at the herbs or whatever, but it's kind of blocking the waterway. And they certainly could have turned the dock on L-shaped. I talked to a bunch of different people this afternoon. I spoke to Ryan Hedrickk at D. Uh, they received our complaint. The FWC is going to come over and measure
uh, and do their job. So, we will find out for sure from the authorities that have your extension if it's okay or not. Yes, sir. The end. Thank you, Dave. Anybody else that would like to address this? How you doing, Mr. I'm good, sir. How are you, ma'am? It
was dreaming to come down there. I'm a disabled vet on the scent. Um I always wanted the water. Your name and address? Oh, Scott Myers. Um 5129 Strat trying to call you today. What's that? You There's messages from me on your phone. Oh, I'm sorry about that. I don't check my phone
that much, but yeah, I'm um Straford um I'm from Straford Avenue. Um I'm 100% disabled vet. You know, it was a dream. I always wanted to water on. I was at Eggland station there. I always wanted to award be on a ward in everything. The only place I could find was military,
you know, VA loans and everything in Panama said. I love my area. Now I see a dot going all the way across and I even got engineer even checked it out and he said it's more than 20%. It supposed to be more than 20% over waterways. But my
neighbors are good. They always ask me if I need something like the guy who just left um my my jet ski. He got this guy never asked me like it's okay to build a dock. He just built it another street all the ways over. I got another
neighbors like Charles right there. He he helped me my dock got messed up. He helped me fix it. Steve's not here right now. He helped me cut my lawn. My lawn mower broke back is you Steve. That's I didn't see but we got good neighbors now. Yeah. and they always help out. Why
would this guy will never mention that? Like I'm gonna build a dock way across. It's uncertainful. I'm from New York City. Is am I allowed to curse? It'd be preferable. We're idiots. We're idiots. I would prefer you did, but that's okay. We're idiots from New York
City. Now, this is idiot will not even say anything to neighbors. It's okay. Can I build this dock all the ways across? Has anybody spoke to him? Have anybody sat down, had a conversation? No, he don't talk to nobody. I I try to Yeah. Yeah. He He don't talk to nobody. That's why I'm shocked that because we've got good neighbors. It's like
eight people here. He blocked the whole entire thing. And I'm shocked about this. Like it's it was a dream for me to get out of the military and buy a house in the water. Can Can I answer your questions? Yeah. Okay. Is there anybody else that would like to address this before I answer your questions? No.
Okay. That's okay, sir. Okay. Thank you. You can stay if you wish. No, Steve's here, too. You can stay if you wish. Is there anybody else? please come to the podium. My name is Steven Bennett. I live at 5121 Stratford Avenue. Yes. And I've lived there for 26 years. Yep. And my
wife lived there since she was 2 years old. Yep. But uh this dock we're talking about, there was a dock there, a brand new one. I don't I don't know how long it was, but the guy moved in and he decided, well, I'm going to add to it. So, he added a bigger dot. So, my it
completely obstructed my view to the waterfront property is why we bought it. Our beautiful sunsets, but now I can't see them. And also, I have a shrimp boat. I can't get it in and out no more. So, it's it's not a good thing what he's doing to come in as a new neighbor. And
that's about all I got to say about it. Thanks, Steve. Does anybody else have anything before we address this? So, last Wednesday I got my first Oh, go ahead. I wasn't going to I wasn't going
to, but if I may, Mayor uh Reverend Randall Erics, I live at 5001 Sharon Drive. I am Charlie's neighbor. He's been a very good neighbor. Him and Carol, I I think are actually wonderful people. I think some of this is somewhat
of a a mishap. Uh this is not what originally was explained to me as far as what was going to happen. And and uh I can't explain to you exactly how it got extended and but the dock ended up
going out much further than the early conversation I had and it went out in a different direction. And as you know, when we talk about an advocacable, you know, waterway there, uh, everybody knows in the neighborhood, I've had sailboats for 20 years, and maybe
several of do also. And currently, it would almost be impossible for me. I just recently got rid of the last two sailboats. And but that's not the permanent intention. And so I I I too share a concern. But I I think that
conversation just needs to be had. I think it it can be remedied and fixed. I I wish I could have been involved in the process. I don't think we'd be here today and and so I I just wanted to support my neighbors also because I have even though it doesn't block my view, I
don't know what you're complaining about. No, I know. I've been over to all their places. So, so anybody goes, they're going to they're going to see what they're talking about. Okay. Just Steve wanted me to say a word. So, I did. Thank you. Appreciate you hearing me
out. I haven't really I'm Mary Joe Bennett. I'm Mary Joe Parker Bennett. Okay, get your name and address. Thank you. 5121 Stratford. And thank you, ma'am. And I didn't move to Donaldson Point when I
was two. I moved there when I was six. God, that man. So, he made a mistake. That changes everything. everything. I know it. I know it. Okay. Um, I've been at Stratford Avenue since
1999. I'm originally lived on Donaldson Road. Didn't live on the water. Um, my mother lives on Ethan. I know all these people that live on my bayou. When we first came home, Steve built us a shrimp boat and we became shrimpers. Yeah.
Parker Bayou is a winding channel. Yeah. If you don't know it, you're going to run a ground. You are. People that have boats like Randall just spoke of his sailboats. Charles is a million
ton boat. I don't know how many what he does, but he is he drives for Tindle. I know that. I'm addressing the meeting. the it's it's uh I don't know all the legalities of the navigational stuff, right? But I
know that that dog would have we'd have been in a mess. How many feet shorter do you think it should be? Should be cut in half. How many ma'am? I don't know because I don't know the legalities of it. I just know that
when we used to drive our strength boat and we had to go she has the floor channel, we had to go a certain way or we ran the ground and it took time and effort to learn that somebody and it gets more shallow every
year, doesn't it? Yes, it seems like. Anyway, I I spoke to Mr. um Chapel when I came in here before lots of people were even here, right? 26 years ago. They were talking about dredging Parker Bayou. They never talk about it anymore. I looked at those dredging the silt and
stuff up there. That was the outfalls. That's not the last time they did it. You remember the last time they did it? I've been there 26 years and it hadn't been done. Okay. Well, slightly prior to your your moving there, they they dredged out most of the inter coastal. And if you those of you that remember
Steve does because he has he has the permit for it, but um they they pumped it up on uh at the time Chief Roberts's property uh near Center Street and they moved out the millions and millions of yards of sand that had accumulated and
uh was obstructing the rightway. But um uh I'll I'll answer everybody's questions I think at one time here in one minute. has been talked about for the 26 years we've been here and it has not been done. A lot of new people moving in. There's going to be
accidents. And as a matter of fact, the day after the first island, I know we got to hurry. Went down, David was fishing on his dock at night. Yeah. Two young boys on the skiff. My fear is always a jet ski. Huh? Jet. My fear is
always a jet ski. Goes under the dock. Love it in there. I mean, came and said, "Oh my goodness." I mean, it it could be serious harm and damage to our place. I'm asking everybody in the room a question. I hope somebody could give me an answer. Maybe two or
three of you can give me an answer. How much shorter in your opinion do you think it should be? Go ahead. One more back there. I'm gonna answer question. Come name. Come and uh hobble up here. Dave 5103 Stratford
Avenue. Yes, sir. I moved here in 1985 and when I moved in your easement that comes down between you know what I'm talking about, right? It filled in that cuz they hauled in a bunch of clay and when I bought there
and didn't realize it but the crossing was only 18 in deep. Wow. Mr. Hall said, "Man, you made a big mistake." But we have worked it out. I put some PVC pylons in there, a little inch, just to get everybody in the same channel where
we could get deeper. He's all the way across it. Okay, that's the only channel in the winter. So, Mr. Marlo, Dave, how much shorter would it need to be? You know as better than I do in January and February what you need at the bottom of the tide to get through there? It's
going to be have to be at least over half of what he's got because he's all the way across the channel and it puts us up on the sandbar that's on the right hand side. Yeah. And in the maybe in the summer I might be able to squeeze by in my boat, but I know I
can't in the winter. I have to have straps. The tide's high. Yeah. Well, in the winter, the bottom of the tide you got to worry about. I'm talking about He was talking about in the summer's Yeah, but that winter time bottom of the tide, there ain't no water in there. It's not. I've gigged it. I know that.
So, I'd say at least he's g if you go there is some aerial photos of it and you can actually see one of my PVC channel markers. It can't be past that cuz that's the left hand side or the port side of the channel. Okay. And you
see how far the thing goes across. I I'm going to answer everybody's questions at one time. And uh uh but is there anybody else that would like to address the council before I do? Yeah. I'll just say I'm like David. We moved there. My
name's Charles Childers. I live at 5133 Strreadford Avenue. Yes, sir. Moved there in 1984. Earl Gear was mayor the last time they dredged it. It has filled in steadily since then. Brenda did it. And
uh I don't know what year it was. Yep. But I remember it. And uh Tanya remembers I'm sure I remember and it was mainly it wasn't the whole place. It was everybody on the boat has been considered about the water
is not navigable and especially in the winter. I got a 42 foot boat tied to my dog during 3 and 1/2t of water. She can't get out of there. No way. If and the wind's always blowing in the summer of the southwest, right? It'll set you right on that beach if you got to go
that far around and then come back to the channel to get in to come by Marlo's and Hunt Boyds and Steve's dog, right? There just ain't no way to handle them boats and that narrow
of an inlet. Okay. And uh I just think it was rude for him to do it. Okay. Thank you, sir. Anybody else? Before I get with my 50T, uh, may I show you a picture? Yeah. This
is the aerial picture. It is pictures. Yep. I propose that they come out and turn and put this structure. Okay. Thanks, D. Does anybody else want to come before
the council? Okay. I don't have all day to keep doing the same question. So my thing is he can build it as much as you want, but turn it sideways, you know, so it don't in the middle of the water. It's way over that 80%. So he turn it sideways, we'll
be good. Now, now I will tell you obviously from my position looking at everybody in the room that probably some conversation would have been a better thing than where than ending up where we're at right now. Yes, sir. You know, and Eric
is right. I mean, if Pastor Eric's like he says, he likes his neighbors, that's good that he does. But perhaps perhaps perhaps we could uh perhaps we could uh uh maybe work something out, you know. But before I answer these questions, is there anybody
else before I get started with this? Yes, sir. Come to the podium. Members of the council, my name is Charlie Herb. Uh we moved up from the Keys in September and uh to this little quiet community of Parker. It's a beautiful
place to live. And I got a skimpy little dock. Had nice. The house is decent on on on Sharon Drive and I got this little stinky dock and I have two feet of water, right? So, I hired uh John Wilson and company Marine Marine Builders to
build me a dock and their engineer came up with a set of plans and uh submitted it to all the government agencies. It's been approved. Yep. And I get a call from I like my neighbors. I have great neighbors and I don't want to start a fight with them. Lord knows it's doesn't
have to be the Hatfields and the McCoys. Right. Right. You know, and everybody has what's called repairarian rights. You're familiar with it. Yeah. And our zoning officer, Kevin, he's Is he here? He's behind you. Yeah. Where's Kevin? Kevin. Kevin. And and uh your your code
enforcement officer, Randy, are familiar with repairarian rights. I know if you're familiar with repairarian rights, uh, under the state of Florida, their statute section 2531 141 states that in the state of
Florida included the right to a warf out on a body of water to a point of navigability, the right of the property owner to erect structures such as docks, peers and boat lifts is covered under
this statute. Uh, and I know the neighbors on Stratford Avenue are questioning my new dock construction because it's may interfere with their view, but under repairarian rights, waterfront property
owners do not own the view. Um, I've done a lot of research into it and I started scratching my head and going, "Wow." So if if you like to watch F F-35s fly over your head, which they fly over my house all the time, and they
come in on their base turn, if my neighbor's tree is obstructing my view of those jets making their final base turn to fly into Tindle, I cannot I don't have rights to remove have him remove the tree from his property just
because it's my view. Right. So, uh, the Army Corps of Engineers came and they opened that waterway up. They opened it up. Um, they had their permits and they had a local, uh, dredging
company. I think um, Pastor Randall is familiar with the company. It's construction. Harters. Harters came in under the US Corps of Engineers. Was that for the outfalls? That was um, in the Parker Bayou. The sand had been impacted. How
long ago was this? How long ago did this? They did that in January and February. That was for outfalls. That's true. Okay. Not inter coastal traffic out falls. Okay. Well, they opened the canal up. No, they didn't. No, they didn't. Here's what I did. I know. I
know that to be not true. So, go ahead, sir. Pardon me. They did not. Go ahead, sir. Go ahead, sir. They were digging. Anyway, uh my pilings that Wilson erected, they do not block the channel and
and I went and did some soundings on the 19th and I used polyethylene cord and a lead sounding weight. And at my piling, two feet out from my piling towards the channel, the outer piling, I got 8t depth.
My second signing was at 50 feet out from the piling. And this is mean tide, not high tide, not low tide. I have seven feet. And the third signing was done at 150 ft out from the
outer piling. I got six foot depth. So to me, there's a 50ft channel there. And you should be able to pull a 50ft boat or a 70 foot motor yard in there if you had to with with seven feet of depth. I don't know. I need I need three and a
half ft. Uh my 35-footer. I like to have three and a half ft under the problem. So I I don't know what to do. I I This is the This is a photograph that my Is there any room for negotiation
with your neighbors? Now, I have to go back to the uh because I'm I'm gonna we're going to read something to everybody in this room in a minute. Okay. And what we read to you is not
some of you won't like it. All right. Okay. But we're going to read you what the law says. Okay. Well, I wanted you to see this is this is what a picture a photograph that my neighbor had sent to me. I'd like for you to look at it. Okay. and he says that I'm ruining his
view, which I guess the the walkway, the wararf to the end of my dock where the boat lift is is going in is in front of his property, his view, but if you'll notice, there's a boat and a boat host.
We can pass it around. We'll pass it around. That obstructs onethird of his view already. So, if he needs more view, take the boat and the boat host if you want a full view. Okay. Look at the picture. Look at the photograph. I will. Looks like it goes all the way to the
end. I mean, you're right. I mean, I I don't I don't I want to fight and and my problem is the the barge company came in and he said, "We're going to be in litigation." He said, "Because if I have
to pull pilings, I can't send my crew out there for free and pull all those pilings out. My neighbor, my neighbor three houses up, Jim Jim Lumley, he's not there. He's not in the more cases right now. His dock is
240 ft long. I measured it. I talked to Jimmy. I measured it. That's cuz he's getting out of the shallow into the deep. So, he can get to where he he has a 42. I think it's 37 38 foot boat. I I think the difference would be, and I'm not a I'm not a a boat captain, but the
the his ability to get in and out is a straight shot for him and for these folks that's going to be snaking through that little channel right there. But, um, if there's nobody else that wants to come and speak at the podium, uh, I'm going to tell you where this started for
me and give you the answers that I think that you're going to need to know. You may not want to hear it, but you're going to need to know it. Okay? So, last Wednesday I started to hear um a lot of noise about uh your dock and uh your
neighbors were displeased. Rightly or wrongly, I'm going to rule on the elements that are involved here and the elements are laws that are on the books for the state of Florida. So, we contacted I contacted through uh my code
enforcement officer, my builder building department. We contacted everybody from EPC all the way to Tallahassee and we've got a a ruling and they sent uh a couple of agents out to look over your property. Whether you
knew they came or didn't come, they did. And um I don't know what the soundings were on your property for depth. I don't know. I just know that if before we read this, I hope that at the end of today we can come to a solution that maybe we
could sit down and work it out together. Work it out because I know all the people in this room for a long time and there's some longtime fishermanmen in this room and I know that they wouldn't say it if it wasn't correct now. That is a snake. If you look at that water, it's
a snake right back there in that bayou. The channel snakes. Yes. In the park by it is. Yep. And even if we dredged it, even if we had the Army Corps come down and get on the list and dredged it, um it would still fill back in. So, it's got to be done on a on a timely manner
and we don't have millions and millions of of dollars to pay them. So, you have to get yourself on a on a grant list. So, one of the things that we have now in our possession is a final ruling uh from the state pending uh your
completion of the dock. Now, the law says, and I'm going to have it read to everybody in the room, that the city of Parker has no authority over that dock until it exceeds 1,000 square feet. Am I correct? That's right. Yes. Right. And currently, you don't exceed the 1,000
square feet. That's correct. Right. Okay. So, you're under the guidance of would it be the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, FD, or who would be in charge of that, Kevin? Corp of Engineers. The Army Corps of Engineers determined the channel. That's right. channel on the depth. No, not
interested in that. Kevin, who was it that managed the docks being built? This Florida D. That's what I thought it was. The Florida Department of Environmental Protection. Okay. Talk to Kevin. So, I've asked my code enforcement officer to come here today, and I'm going to ask
him to come to the podium, and I'm going to get him to read to everybody in this room once, twice if need be, the ruling that we currently have from the state of Florida, not from Parker. We have no say. We have no say. Now, you go over a
th00and feet, then I'll have a say, but as it stands right now, the state of Florida want is going to dictate. So, if you don't mind having a seat, uh, he'll stand up and, uh, and tell it to you. Thank you. That's a beautiful picture, by the way, of all the boats and houses in Parker.
Now, this is, sorry, Randy Darling, code enforcement officer. This is what I have so far from FD. It's just an email saying what they've done so far. Can everybody hear him? Very good. Is that mic on? Is that mic turned on? Yeah.
You're gonna have to get pull it closer to you. Whatever. But I want to make sure that everybody hears this and it's on the recording. Okay, sir, you have the floor. What the email says from uh Mark Summer, who's from Florida D. Uh per our conversation, FD is currently
investigating the construction of dock at 4935 Sharon Drive. The dock has a self-certification number ERP 4558478 that authorizes construction up to a thousand square feet over sovereign submerged lands. Based on the limit
based on the limited plans provided, this docka bears appears to be very close to the limit. Our ERP enforcement manager Ryan Hk has asked for revised plans for Mr. Herb uh with additional details. This
will hopefully show the proposed dock will meet the size requirements regardless of what the plans show. Our final determination will have to be done on the actual structure to ensure compliance with self-certification. Uh also the self-certification does not allow the
dock to be a navigable hazard. They've requested FWC to evaluate the location of the new dock based on the piling configuration and provide a hazard determination. Uh at this time this is an ongoing investigation. No compliance determination has been made.
Could everybody hear and understand what the state has said? They they haven't finished investigating the use of the depth of the water. They haven't. And so, uh, based upon that, there was no stop work
order. the only stop work order they had was resolved because the problem was that the permit hadn't been picked up by the builder and it was uh it was stopped for several hours and then reinstated.
So, as it stands right now, um he's allowed to build that dock until this investigation's completed by Florida Fish and Wildlife. That's what we're being told. Now, if I had a drather and I could have a magic wand, it would be
better if we could have a meeting. You could have a meeting. You could borrow my room and try to work this out amongst yourselves because if you build it and it's over a,000 ft and it's in that navigational water, then I we
will get involved. But as it stands right now, we have no authority. Now that I've said this and you've heard the statement from the state, is there any other questions that I could try to answer for you? Because I we can't we won't we will not attempt to
overrule what the state has ordered. Come to the podium, please. Come to the podium, please. If you would please state your name and address for the record. My name is Carol Herb and I live at
4935 Sharon Drive. Yes, ma'am. And it is the dock that we are building that is in question. Yes, ma'am. And I see all these people here and I just want to know how many of these people here are
upset about this. about half the room. Ma'am, well, I'm so sorry. Ma'am, you came to the podium to state a question. What's the question? How many people were upset about it? You answered
my question. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. You can finish the barge in there. Dger it upers right there. That was Harders. Okay, that was Outfalls. I talked to them. They said, "We ain't going to be
able to get back in there to y'all no more to help y'all dredge cuz we can't get by there cuz the boat won't fit." Okay. And then uh I don't I didn't do any fathoms, but yesterday I went swimming and I swam right up to all his pilings and out there at the end is 10 foot deep. I don't know why he needs that much water. And I come all the way
back up about halfway was a six foot. And uh other than Well, he needs three and a half feet. He told you that. Yeah, I heard him. But I was swimming out here yesterday evening myself. David seen me. But anyway, uh I heard about that. The other thing I didn't drown. No. The
other thing is it is this view. When I get ready to sell my place, which ain't long, people ain't going to want to buy it because look at the view. What am I looking at? Somebody stop. That's all I got. Thank you. It it it reduces the price of my property. Where are you
moving to? Callaway. Yes, ma'am. Melanie Boyd, 5117 Stratford Avenue. I just wanted to clarify that I understand that he would like to have a certain depth under his boat and and that picture was of my boat house that when
we came to the city of Parker and got a permit to build that we did our due diligence to check Steve and Mary Joe's to make sure we weren't blocking theirs and our neighbors that was Vivian at the time on the other side. That's why our dock is right in the middle of our property to avoid obstructing other
people's view. Absolutely. And while we would like to have deeper water under our dock, because there's times we can't even get in during low tide because our dock, you know, that channel runs right behind our dock. So, we could not go, we didn't go out any further to block it. So, there's times we may not even have
enough foot under our boat and in winter times halfway the boat house is on dry land. So, I just wanted to say that while we all desire deeper water in Parker Bayou, um until we get that grant to dredge the bayou, we're never going to have as deep a water as we would
like. Thanks, Bill. Yes, sir. I just wanted 5033 Sharon Drive. I just wanted to second what she said. Right now, I've come to you to see if you would help us dredge so I can get my boat out. And I knew that when I
bought the property there was going to be low tide issues. So I took the the challenge, but I did not get into David's water, David Marlo's water, and restrict his access. I decided to keep my boat lift where it is and deal with
the issue myself. I didn't take it on myself to go and obstruct someone else. So I don't expect my neighbors to do the same to me. Thank you. Anybody else? This is the last question. We have a council meeting to host this thing. The
problem, sir, is they don't they're not building a dock for a boat. They just build a dock to see. And that's the problem. They they a dock to see the sunset, right? And instructing everybody boats issues. So, that's the biggest problem. I I can see if you build a
dock, like the last person said, they building a dock so they can get the boat out of the water, but they're not. This has been a doctor seat. You can see from your backyard. Okay. Okay. That sir, I will tell you or anybody that wants to
listen. The FD also stated that although there may not be no criminal liability, uh, all of you have civil could have civil liability. No, I'm military, so I got free lawyers. Talk to Steve about that. I'd get a better lawyer. But there
you are. Oh, no. But you could. That's what they told us. Um, my DS would be, as I said twice, that you guys could sit down and work something out. Uh, you want to live with your neighbors, you want to try to get along with your
neighbors. Um, but my position is that the states investigated it. They continue to investigate and you heard what the outcome was. uh that was read to everybody at one time from the Florida Department of Environmental
Protection. So, okay. Does anybody else have anything they'd like to talk about other than uh this dock before we move on? Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, C, for your time. Thanks, Dave. Appreciate you.
Okay, ma'am. Diane Coats 1521. We can't hear you. Hello. Better. Okay. All right. I My only question is
on my water bill for the last what, two years, it had an extra dollar for the park. Where does that money go to? To the park. To the park. To the park. Okay. I was just wondering because we
never got any We have a parks account. Okay. We never had any balances or or how much money you guys got to do. Are you going to keep this up for more years even though our water keeps going up? Are you going to keep Well, you're not required to put that. You don't have to
pay. That's your decision to do that. I know. I don't I did. So, a lot of people like to donate to their park, but if you don't want to, you don't have to. Right. But I was just wondering how much money have we made so made how much money have you gotten so far?
I'd have to look on the computer and there's no way I'd have to ask in the morning how much is there because then do you put it along with something else that goes along with the park so you can keep adding more money into the park? People donate Yeah. Some people donate a
lot of money, thousands of dollars in fact and then they build things with it. But where does that money go? like who gets to spend the money? Who gets to decide where this money goes that everybody's been putting a dollar? When we when we build something in the park,
that's parks and recreation. That's what that money is you used for. So, I don't know if that answers your question, but let's say we put in some new trees, do we? Yeah. Do we get more than $1,000 a year? Last year, we had
over 20,000 from one person. Oh, well that would be great to know. Yeah, he's sitting over there. He's sitting right there. Mr. Chapel, Mr. Chapel, I was going to say he probably knows where some of this We were hoping for a little bit more,
but it didn't happen. He I think the beautiful chairs you're sitting in is good, too. We can continue on with what Chapel has donated. Looks great. Thank you, Miss Coach. Anybody else before we move on with the meeting?
All right, sounds good. Everybody left. I've been here since years old. John, what are we going to do here? Huh? Golly, there's always there's always Springfield, too. There is. And Steve's going to Springfield. He said Callaway.
Callaway. Callaway. Where'd he go? He run off already. He thinks that he's going to dock his shrimp boat in our pond. is what it is, man. Uh, first item is the approval of the minutes. Item one on the agenda. I make a motion that we approve them as
presented. Second. The first and second. You call the role, please. Mr. Sher, yes. Miss Bford, yes. Mr. Chapel, yes. Mr. Haney, yes. And Mayor Kelly. Yes. Thank you, ma'am. Uh, second item is approval of the interlocal agreement.
Um, Mr. Sloan. Yes, sir. Uh Tony uh has been working on this for a long time and uh essentially what exists is over time there are uh
Parker properties, Parker residents that have connected to Callaway Sewer and there are Callaway residents that have connected to Parker Sewer and uh and so as a result of that Uh Parker and
Callaway met, the mayor, mayor Callaway, the city manager Callaway, attorneys, uh and public works folks, uh to discuss this the situation, how to address the situation, and how to
um to move forward. The Callaway had a similar, not identical, but similar situation with Springfield. they entered into an interlocal agreement with Springfield uh to address a similar type
arrangement. this interlocal would be uh to go back five years and and I'll use the term square up over those five years with Callaway paying Parker and Parker paying Callaway uh for the
historical service that had been provided and those amounts are in paragraph two um where they're referencing the uh the Callaway historical amount which is
um indicated in here to be $86,6605 and Parker's historical amount is $5,580.30. So, what that what that's saying is that Callaway has been servicing the Parker residents over that
five-year period. Uh, and they're going to pay back that $86,000 to Parker and Parker will write a check for the 5,500 and change to Callaway going forward. Now that that
we're moving forward in this process, the essentially what we have is is every year the uh respective entities will square up. they'll exchange checks
for for those same properties uh going forward, the ones that are active. and uh and so I would anticipate that that um you know somewhere between
17 and $20,000 a year uh before the the Marriott would be uh what you would expect with the additional taps from the uh from the Marriott that are going into the Callaway system then uh it's going
to be a little bit different but if you'll recall speaking of the Marriott you recall you you agreed to a development order condition upon the execution of the of an interlocal agreement with Callaway dealing with the sewer issue. So this sat if if you
approve this interlocal agreement and Callaway does also uh that this would satisfy that condition and and the Marriott could move forward. I will tell you that this agreement u that you were provided late this afternoon uh has uh
received the blessing of Callaway's attorney uh as well as their city manager. Uh and so what you have before you is the uh draft that uh that is
essentially to settle up on the sewer issues and move forward. The one thing that was important for us uh in the Parker situation is to make sure that that Parker knew going forward who was
going to be hooking up to Parker system and conversely Callaway would know uh who was going to be hooking up to their system. So that written consent, that written approval is written in here so that each it's not going to be a surprise. is not going to be something
that that two years from now there going to be a bunch of hookups that Parker doesn't know about and controversially the same for Callaway. So my recommendation is that you consider this interlocal agreement uh and that you approve it and authorize the mayor to
sign it and then I will u if that's done I will send it over to Callaway's attorney. My understanding is that they will consider it at next Tuesday's meeting uh and that assuming everybody approves it then it'll be official and
uh the initial checks will pass and then at the end of the fiscal year then uh then you will square up each year for the uh for the sewer that's cross-fed so to speak. Any questions of anybody? I'll
make a motion. Yes, ma'am. Come to the podium. [Music] Pat Fosk, 1344 Stratford Avenue. Uh, thank you, Mr. Sloan, for that um explanation helped a lot. I do have a couple of questions and maybe some
clarification for some other people, though. Um, how far back has this cross sewer thing gone on? Do we know it? It's been for a number of years. Uh the five years that we arrived at for the for the
determination of the of the money uh is a statute of limitation. Okay, that was my question. I understood that that was shared at the Callaway meeting and I just wanted to confirm that that that is why it went back five years. Yeah, I I I can't explain why it's just now getting
to this level. Uh apparently there may have been some knowledge years gone by but it never never got to the point of past administrations did nothing about it. Understood. Yeah. I mean it's just interesting I guess and based upon the
fact that it sounds like it started with Springfield and Callaway. Do we have any idea if we have any crossover with Springfield? Is there any way to check? Has not mentioned anything. Okay. Good. Um
uh one thing I read read the um interlocal agreement very carefully. What is the purpose of the 25% search charge that the cities are charging each other above what Bay County is charging for sewer? The that's the search charge
that's authorized by statute uh to be charged for someone that's not within your jurisdiction. Okay. So that's state law that allows that. That's correct. Thank you. Um we didn't get a plat or a map of where this is occurring. I know um because it was mentioned in the agreement that uh the where the Marriott
is going to be built as is part of it. But then um I think this is my last question su the sewer rate is typically based upon water usage. For example, I look at my water bill and I get I'm build for 2,000 gallons. I'm build for
2,000 gallons of su sewer. Based upon what it seems is happening is these properties are getting a water bill from the city of Parker and they're getting a sewer bill from the city of Callaway. Is that true? That's correct. That is
correct. So, how um how does Callaway know what to charge? For example, if it were me, how does Callaway know that last month I used 2,000 gallons and they should
charge me 2,000 gallons for sewer? Is that something that we're going to have to communicate? Well, this this agreement is predicated on the wholesale rate of Bay County and the the amounts that each of us uh are charging, which
is $4.13 and we pay $11.56. Correct. And actually, I believe Parker's rate may be a little bit more. So, actually, you're going to benefit more than Calibly. Oh, well, I'm not because I don't think I'm in that, but but that's what I was wondering because somebody could be upset. And do these
residents know that this is going on? I mean, have they known it? Well, I I would have been getting two bills that when uh they get a sewer bill from Callaway that they know that. Yeah. Okay. But are they getting a sewer bill for a th000 or for 2,000? And how do
they know? I I can't Tony would be the one to answer that question. Okay. Because that's going to be important in the accounting process. I mean, I and and I would expect pretty much at the end of each fiscal year that that Tony and and his counterpart are going to sit
down with the financial folks. That's what the agreement was, Mr. Sloan. Yes, sir. Y um just one other slight little thing because you mentioned the 5 cents. The interlocal is missing the 5 cents, the 88 86 660 and 5 cents. It's not in
there. Not the version that that council had as of this afternoon. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Anybody else before we move on? Okay. You have a motion in a second. I'm sorry. I She tracked me off. We have a
motion in a second. We call a role, please. Certainly, Miss Pharaoh. Who made the second? Yes, I'll second it. Nobody else. Okay. Nobody else. Miss Barrow? Yes. Miss Bford? Yes. Mr. Chapel? Yes. Mr. Haney? Yes. Mayor
Kelly? Yes. Thank you, councel. Anybody else before we move on? Okay, that was the second item on your agenda. I want to make you uh aware of uh couple things that's happened. uh and uh before
you you have an application for vacancy in the fire department. We actually have two. We had a another employee submit their uh resignation to take a a job outside of the contin United States and she's leaving the 25th. But um about
three weeks ago, uh Chief Tally told me that um he thought he'd have to submit his resignation for a personal reason. And um uh last week after trying really hard to resolve the problem uh we were
unable to do so. And um I asked the clerk to call all of you and let you know he had uh he actually submitted it about 3 weeks ago and I asked him not to resign until we had a chance to uh to try to resolve the problem. And we thought that we could have got it
resolved on May the 8th and it didn't happen. So uh chief's gone and I need a new fire chief. So, what I did was um I went through my desk and I found the applications from the last batch of interviews we conducted. And the one before you was the second runner up uh
in that batch of interviews. And um he is certified in Florida. He's certified in Missouri. He's a combat veteran. Uh he has if you look at the the package he has a significant amount of
certification and um the last document that I put there should be on everybody's is one of the most important ones is a certificate from the state of Florida's division of uh fire protection. And if you look at the pages prior to that, it talks about all of the
different certifications that he currently has. Uh, and he's willing to work for the same amount of money that she that u that the fire chief uh tally was earning. So that was why I gave you these folders earlier, these packages.
And we are in need of a new fire chief and a new uh employee. We've got the uh employees job description posted on I think Zillow. Is it indeed? Indeed. And uh we
had any apps any apps yet? Nothing. Okay. So, but basically council, I'd like your support to to hire this guy and to put him on payroll. Won't be immediate because he's got to if you do pick him, then he's got to give notice
to his uh past employer. I have reached out to Springfield if we get short um to give me a hand if I need it, but uh that's kind of where I'm at with this position right now. I remember us interviewing him.
I remember us interviewing him. You remember? Um, is there any room for public comment in the employees? It's up to the chair of you, mayor. I mean, this is your item. You're bringing it up. Yeah. Yeah, you could public comment, ma'am. Go
ahead. Please be significant. I hope so. Patik, 1344 Stratford. Um, I guess two questions. First of all, this seems to happen quite often that at this point in the meeting, there are various agenda items that are brought up that are voted on. They're not just, "Oh, by the way,
we're going to have an Easter egg hunt or uh we're looking for volunteers for whatever." This is significant that you're now hiring the fire department chief. Again, I don't have a problem one way or the other. I hope that you do find somebody good. But how what
determines what is considered business of the city that needs to be for noticed to the citizens so that they might be here and be aware of it. There's nothing in employment that they would need to know about the fire chief that's not in this public record
package. That's all council's decision. But council is voting and citizens should have an opportunity. Citizens pick the council, ma'am. Yes. But we still have an opportunity to express our thoughts and concerns. Okay. So, I don't
understand why items such as this come to a vote without it being an agenda item. I just ask the importance of this getting done now is significant in that if we don't get this done, we will probably contract out the fire
department. Okay. Now, you're But you've known about it for three weeks. No, ma'am. I've known about it for a few days. Oh, I thought I heard three weeks just a few minutes ago. I said pay attention. You can check the audio. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Can you check the audio? By the way, when you're checking the audio, would you check
something for me? You commented in the last meeting about the city of Parker's rules and regulation. It came to my attention you were reading from the city of Colorado. Parker, Colorado. Were you aware of that? I was not. And I specified. Check it. Check it. Make sure you're right when you check it. Thank
you. Okay, council. I make a motion that we hire Eric Higgins as a Parker fire chief. Thank you, ma'am. Second. We have a first and a second. Okay, great. Thank you, ma'am. Will you call a role? Miss Pharaoh? Yes.
Miss Bford? Yes. Mr. Chapel? Yes. Mr. Haney? Yes. And Mayor? Yes. Thank you very much, council. I was dreading having to go back on shift. All right. Thank you very much, ma'am. Miss M. Um, would you like to uh to
uh address the council and the members? I have nothing. Nothing. Okay. Nothing. Mr. Long, nothing. Mr. Chapel. Yes. You know, Maya always has something. Just want to make sure that
people are aware that we are having a yard sale out at the pavilion in sports park. Um there's no charge for a table or anything like that. It's for the first come, first serve. Uh there's
about 18 spots out there. They're 20 by 10. So, if you want to set up out there, sell stuff, find the Danny. Um, we starting at 8:00 and if you want to come early to
set things up, please do so. Um but u um and one other thing was uh not until September, but the first of September, we're going to have a uh pig
roast for the city. Um it's going to be a covered dish affair. You we're going to supply the pig and uh cook it. um the citizens apply the uh anything that goes with a pig.
So just to let you know what date is the um that's the 1st of September is oh the yard sale is the seventh first Saturday of the month.
If it goes off, well, we're going to try to do it the first Saturday of the month of every month. But, uh, I want to do the first one to see if it if it's, you know, something people want to do. Do I need to witness? You can sign it tomorrow.
public comment. Hello, Mayor. Mayor, can you make a comment she wants to know? Sure you can. For the June 7th of Mary, you came here when you was six, didn't you?
Bring all his right for the Callaway move. Hey, I've known you a long time, Mr. Bennett. Can I look at your stuff before you sell it? Can I get a pre-inventory then? Buy the house. Okay, I will. Hey,
come you're sitting over there and she's sitting over there. We're separated. You told me that the last time. He does. He's gri. Is that what they were waiting on? Yeah. Yes, sir. Okay. Actually, we they
probably were going to move forward anyway, but um uh sometime in the next few days. I don't have the exact date yet. Um I did I did talk to the CFO of that company once this is taken care of. He's here. He's here, brother. Is he
here? There he is. Was you you when was you come to see us? I did. Wonderful. I want to talk to you on the phone. Yeah. Good to see you, sir. It's nice to see you. You, too. And uh we're going to be uh break they're gonna they're gonna break ground pretty soon. We I sent the
public works director out to go buy some gold spray paint so we can paint the shovels for him. So, we're good to go. So, sounds good. Anything, John? Anything? He looks very confused. Nothing, John? No. Adam, you
have anything? Okay, sounds good. If nobody has nothing else, thank you very very much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.