[Music] ready y welcome everybody to our April 8th 2025 planning meeting we'll start the meeting terry can I ask you to do our invocation please our heavenly father in this week leading
up to the celebration of your son's resurrection we thank you for this day you've given us we ask that your countenance shine down upon us on other citizens for our community and on this meeting jesus name we ask amen amen
thank you chair and Yes sir i pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for
all and Terry thank you madame clerk will you conduct a roll call please absolutely mr hall is absent mr merritt here miss Fing here mr striker here and chairman Ra here thank you ladies and gentlemen thank you for
being interested in what we do here in the city of of Parker um today uh we had four things on the menu here but the first thing got dropped off because our attorney is going to review review that particular item uh on their own before
it goes to the council members so we'll be starting with item number two today um however uh has everybody had a chance to review the uh the minutes yes last last month then I'll be looking for a motion to go ahead and approve or
change i'll make a motion to approve as as they are okay no worries i want here so you looked at me Terry that's right i I'll second it second the motion okay can I get a a vote please absolutely mr
merritt yes miss Powering yes Mr striker yes and Chairman Rick yes and thank you for the nice summary appreciate that very much very good ladies and gentlemen at this time this is an opportunity for anybody to come to the podium and talk to the planning uh group on anything not
on the agenda today does anybody uh have that yes ma'am please and if you'll state your name uh we have some people watching electronically and then that way our um our clerk can go ahead and report your information i'm Janet Russell and we live at the corner of
Hickory and 22A yes ma'am i'm interested in knowing what according to the internet map the corner of Hickory and Levit Street has become residential which there sits a
four unit apartment building an empty lot and three trailers what how does that fit into everything with the planning commission in terms of the dis various districts well let's say
we own the trailer park yes uh what if we decided to sell is Parker going to say "Hey you can't leave the trailers there it has to be housing." Would you show me exactly where it is come on over here and point this out so
this is a map and the legend here is any of the red is general commercial the green uh is your MU1 dark green MU2 okay yes ma'am okay right there so run on the corner that's
an empty lot okay they lost it so that's low density residential okay and this is an four unit apartment building that is our three trailer spaces and that is our empty lot and the question is what okay this says
residential right so it's in a low density residential area right okay this is a four unit apartment building yes and you this this lot is so small that the only thing they could do is put a small building on it not a house yes and
there's three trailers sitting there so if when we intend to sell What is our problem if any with Hickor with Parker okay let's go ahead and let's give the rest of them so and I'll
give a summary and then if you and then some of the commissioners may have a question for you so uh they have three trailers on one lot is that right right and then and then you have a an apartment building on another lot we don't own the apartment building okay
but it is apartment building right next to the trailers with one empty lot because the building was destroyed and then the one in the back has four units in it okay so actually between the apartment buildings and I assume our
trailer park that is high density low density residential is it if it's if it is low density we don't have a problem but I everything you pointed to me up here was low density residential area okay so that
apartment building even though it's a fourunit is still low density it's it's a what you pointed to me everything was in lowdensity residential that's correct so what you have there right now is referred to as a legal non-conforming
structure and legal non-conforming use and uh right now that's okay because there's nothing that would make you uh take that down um however um if you look at some of the new rules
that are being imposed by municipalities by the state now I'm going to speak in the in the regarding the apartment complex that a apartment complex needs to be for example in an MU1 mu2 general commercial anything other than that
there's an option that they could come they could come and ask for a variance because it's already there from the council members in order to then sell it however the council members the current council members voted that if you have a non-conforming
uh structure or use uh in a in a a district that when you sell it as long as you sell it if you sell it to somebody that is a blood relative the term they use is a kigguity caniguity I believe it is
that's in the LDRs uh then al which means blood relative direct blood relative then there's no issue you can do that however if you're selling it to a new person at that point it would need to be compliant uh with the style of building and use that's in that particular area in that district um
that's that's the rules that we have there right now so you're say we don't own the apartment building yes but you're saying if the apartment building was to be sold they could run into problems trying to sell it they could they they would probably come here and
ask for a variance to be able to do that but if it truly is in that low density residential area uh if you look at um some of in late in late 2024 and in early 2025 the state had a special
session uh called session C and they are requiring municipalities like ours if we have these rules in place they're actually mandating uh the elimination of non-conforming uh uses because it's it's
inconsistent with the character of that area and they penalize municipalities for not doing that and they do that either through lawful uses or uh means of perhaps not providing uh certain benefits financial monetary benefits to
the municipalities so if you have a um comprehensive plan and a land development rule and those rules are in place in order to protect your neighbors because that's a constant theme that we have is that whatever you do uh whether you're building something or removing
something you can't harm your neighbor uh because that's that's peppered throughout the the land development rules so is your question just about the three trailers that are there mainly about the three trailers but the apartment building being multi and I
figured the trailers were probably multi also rather than residential everything you pointed to me was low density residential so that's the district that it's in excuse me our three trailers which we do nothing it's not a trailer
park in terms of our services it is strictly three residents that have their trailers sitting on our land and we pay the taxes yes that's all we do okay and there's there's current residences in those yes okay
if you were to if you were to sell those we'd have to look at the size of the land being lowdensity residential you can you could divide that land into three uh equal parts or not so equal parts as long as you've got at least 7,500 square feet for each of those
different uh parcels and that would probably not qualify okay originally 40ome years ago we've been in town over 40ome years that area including the apartment buildings was a trailer park
and the then 58 a certain amount not find acres but then the apartment building land was sold off by the owner and the apartment buildings were put in and they only left three trailers
so we bought the land the three trailers set on and we own the empty lot next to it and we haven't put anything back on the empty lot after we lost the rental house because I wasn't allowed to put a
modular not a travel not a trailer but a modular home there because Parker said no we would have rebuilt there but that wasn't allowed when you say go ahead Janet do you do you what is the size of
of each lot do you know they quarter acre eighth of an acre from one point including the um empty lot and the trailer lot and we have both on one deed now but they're two parcels on one deed
it's um 205 feet across the front and 145 ft deep okay the bigger portion I believe is probably the empty lot okay for whatever it's worth had you built a modular home you'd have a difficult time
selling it because Fanny May Freddy Mack VA they don't they don't take those as collateral so whoever buys had you been allowed to build one would have to pay cash where I come from in Pennsylvania we have modular factories twostory
houses i have grandchildren that have bought Oh they're lovely they their moms two stories etc i I'm not talking I didn't want to put a I don't think the people I spoke to understood what a
modular home was right where they bring it in and box yeah it's it's not considered a mobile home a modular home's perfectly acceptable but see back then yeah when I could have when the hurricane first happened they said no
because I don't think they understood what a modular home was modular homes when you go to those manufacturing plants are often times better than the stick fil built homes that are here because they're built they're built in an air conditioned plant and then bolted into place on foundations after the fact
parker absolutely allows modular homes there's no issues there we're getting too old to do that but we would have probably had to go to the Carolas to even get a factory i got you i mean they would had been brought in for quite a ways because it's not
popular down here so but my my worry is um when our estate settles up I don't want them to run into a problem that they can't sell the property and I'm very protective of my renters
and Tony Tony's mother lives in one of them yeah and I don't want them to have to be evicted because well well here's here's the situation you actually have because they're there already um you do have um you you can
keep those there you have plenty of areas well you got over 31,000 square feet an acre is 43560 and the density ruling in the in the in this particular municipality is five uh dwelling units per acre so that
works out to about 8,700 square f feet all they would have to do is divide it into three into three areas and you could go with one of them as small as 7,500 square f feet but you've got the space and dividing the land point of it is the empty lot i asked Parker if I
could extend the three trailers put two more trailers on the empty lot you know just run the sewer over and so forth they wouldn't let me do that either well that's that's because um when the when the rules were
written uh in lowdensity residential areas that comes back to we're trying to protect your your neighbors true but the neighbors came in after all this happened i mean this stuff was all there then the neighbors came yeah but you you said you have an empty lot and you
wanted to put two more mobile homes on it well we would have considered that would be new and ultimately would have allowed it but they wouldn't allow us to extend over onto the empty lot for trailers
you'd put two new trailers onto the empty lot we could have except Parker said no in that also well that that's what I'm saying that that's because that's against the the current land development that's okay so the lot sits empty mhm and I my worry is when the
lots have to be sold yes what kind of problem is Parker going to give them and making the people that live there move out i don't want them to have to move out that's what I was telling you is they wouldn't have to as long as they divided the land you've got enough land
there you have I I I suspect I have had to show when a new one moved in i have to show the size of the lots and they're not very big well you you gave me the dimensions and that works out to
31,175 square feet but half of that is residential a housing the empty lot they can't we could sell it as a parcel but that isn't going to relieve the size of the trailer
spaces because you can't go over onto the empty lot oh so the dimensions you gave me was where the trailers are now and the empty lot that's right okay i was under the impression you were talking about where they are right now it's okay it's split
more or less in half it's not an equal half yeah so the three spots probably would not qualify under the requirements but I'm said I don't want our state to have a problem trying to sell the property
because they ran into problems with Parker and also I don't want the people that are living there forced to move because it's not inexpensive to move and move a home well the land development rules right now uh would allow those to
to remain as they are um because they're there already okay however during the sale if you sell that triggers the requirement for compliance to the area and that area being a low density residential area you can you've got to
have at least 7,500 square feet of a divided and single family it won't qualify for that yeah yeah combined well they won't allow us to go over onto the empty lot because it was a house lot
yeah so what you would want to do is you'd want to combine the lots and then and then you know um and then use that and but that is against when when you go to the state and you create your future
land development um concepts u sometimes those messages are are rather difficult because it's uh you know some people are going to be disappointed with what what ends up happening at the end of the day uh it's because the lawmakers of our city have
said uh you know we would rather have those areas be single family homes well yeah it looks better but these people live there yes ma'am including the people in the housing or in the apartment yes i mean the apartment
building is not my problem but they are multi-ousing and then I assumed that the tra our three trailers which state of Florida says if you have two or more it's a trailer park so that would be
multi also requiring MU1 however they're grandfathered in because they're there right now but the sale would trigger compliance to whatever the the current rules are so there would be a problem with who is buying it they'd probably make the trailers move out and they
could put two houses in they could put two house single family homes in that's correct actually you could put three in you could put three Well if you have if you have 31,115 square feet you absolutely could because you only need the density rules
say that you need at least 8,700 square feet per uh per property and and one of those can be as small as 7,500 square feet yeah i would hate to see three houses in that it's not not that big in my opinion yeah it's uh but I mean you've got
uh almost 710 of an acre there uh with 31 a little over 31,000 square feet you could you could put two homes there without any heartburn right but I I want them let them die there and then we can I don't think I I
think they're grandfathered in as long as but but if you do sell the property and it's non-ansenuidity then that's what triggers the requirement for compliance and see that would make them have to move yes ma'am and I'm not going to live
forever i wish we all could but anyways I just wanted to know what the problem was and yes there probably will be a problem for the trailers it it you would have to ask for there's other avenues you'd have to ask for a variance uh to
occur and um that would be a situation where the lawmakers the governing body would have to grant that variance there are unique circumstances here and when a variance is granted there have to be unique circumstances in other words you
do have a unique circumstance they're there right now they're they're living there and all you're wanting to do is sell the property and those same people would live in those trailers is that right right okay yeah that that's a unique that's a unique situation and um I I think that
there is a a chance that that that variance would be approved well what about the possibility of me applying for the variance now that when it came time to sell since someone else will be hold hand in the
state that we get the variance now can I apply for that you absolutely could you could apply for the the variance this is a this is a we're not the governing body here though we're the people who work through the nuts and bolts of what the rules are compared to what you're asking
and I could tell you um the what you're doing would be against the rules but there are unique circumstances i would review the seven questions that you would go through when answering uh the variance request but I think it's unique enough where there's a chance that the
governing body may approve it okay i it would make it would make the estate more comfortable if the variance was already in place so yes because once a variance is in place it remains with the the life of the property who do I see about
applying for a variance this young lady right here very good thank you you're welcome um take a look at those seven questions though and just make sure that uh you know they're well understood and that you feel comfortable uh that a variance
would would go through uh I think there's a cost to the variance what is it $150 something like that okay very good but thank you for your time investment for the future okay thank you thank you does anybody else like to bring
something to planning very good okay uh as I'd mentioned uh we had four items on the menu the first item was an easement discussion a removal of an easement but our attorney is going to handle that on his own i don't want to blister uh is it
gand mr gian gwen say it again gwen mr gwyn no leaveen drop the G nen dropen okay very good there's a lot of silent letters thank god I didn't blister it mr so what we'll ask you to do because we
have people watching electronically just kind of tell us uh your name and uh why you're here and what what you'd like us to to review today for you uh my name is Dwee W i own a mobile home park right off of 750 Highway 22A uh we've had it
for about three years now um I think we've done a lot of improvements uh to the park paving the roads everything that the city has asked us to do um so I think it looks 100 times better than when we first purchased it uh but what we're looking for right now is now we're at the point where we can start to fill
the park and we're trying to get our dealer's license um but because of the zoning it's not allowing us to have a a dealer light or mobile home dealer at the location um but for us we're not really looking to have a real mobile home dealership we're only looking to
fill our park and so in order for us to do that we just have to have a site um that we can register for the license so any questions uh from uh from anybody
so how many how many sites do you have about 20 in there right now is that what I'm looking at we have 42 but 20 are occupied 20 are occupied 21 or 22 vacant so the information we got is that you
wanted to um you wanted to be able to sell mobile homes manufactured homes from that area so uh not from the area just just for our park so we would be able to partner with
uh a company called 21 Mortgage okay and they would fund the home uh and we would just move into our park and then they would fund whoever would buy the home and finance them and so but we have to have a dealer's license and able to do that structure with them okay so you
would own the property they would own the structure uh then yeah we only do lot rent so we only own the land uh but for us to be able to move new homes on there in this type of scenario uh where we don't have to buy the homes then resell them to the
actual homeowner uh they will actually fund the home and move it to our site and then they would finance whoever actually buys the home from us so they're the mortgage holder partner with right you're not looking to expand or add increase the density at all just
ability to fill the spaces correct you do you charge lot rent correct just just lot rent that's right what was the um what was the space you had in that area uh the total lot size was it seven something acres 7 point something acres
it's about it's about seven acres i can't remember the exact but it's about seven acres seven acres okay so and that's MU1 so seven acres and you you'd want how many spots 40 currently it's over 42 uh we have 20 okay well you're
you're under the density requirement there right um so you would just you're just saying you would need a license in order to bring more to to sell the trailers in that location and and then put them on that that sp the remainder
spots that are already there correct and we would need some maybe some type of special use permit or something to allow us to have a dealership there uh in order to register it um now the weird part about that is that on the other hand is a direct violation of the uh the
uh the land development rules i think it's 4.5.4 454 that's under prohibitions is that right mark I'm also not If you're looking for each trailer to be on point 2 in order
are you looking for that because I'm I'm not getting that i'm getting something like 7,200 well he's MU1 okay so so MU1 they can have up to 15 15 residences uh yeah 15
residences per per acre um Okay got it but in But you're right though mobile homes uh parks are different than that the the issue we're going to run into is um home sales service or storage is a
direct prohibited mechanism under this it's a little different than it's a little different from owning a license so you you wouldn't sell mobile homes out of that location only you would only buy them put them on the
spots and then and then sell them to people in those spots right correct we're not going to be an open to public type dealership there will never be anybody in the office it's it's really just to get the license is required to have a an office and we had that one just sitting there empty so we were
hoping to be able to use that to fill the park he's not going to be he's not going to be the middleman somebody else sells them yeah so he's correct is that right well no so we would we would partner with the the lender and they would pay for the home from the dealer
or I guess the manufacturer that we they underwrite them correct and then they would pay for it on our behalf to move it into our park and so they would finance whoever the end buyer is after we found the buyer for them i think we call it floor planning when you do that with automobiles it's called Okay yeah
yeah floor planning so Okay but we wouldn't operate like a public type dealership it's just be empty all the time have you read through all of those um those mobile home park requirements for that are going to take
place the end of this year we have uh so I think we've already complied to all of them the 5,000 foot lot requirement the paved roads we've I think we've done everything so there you do have an office you have
a vacant office and who would be in the office to deal with any inquiries a member of of your staff or a member of the floor planning or lenders staff it would probably just be our property manager she'd probably just come meet them at the site if they didn't want to
buy it i'm just trying to figure out a way if if you had if you leased space to a salesperson of another company you simply are leasing that space i'm just wondering if if that's a workaround and
I bring that up only because I was a stock broker decades ago couldn't do that through a bank but yet you could lease space in a bank lobby from the bank and sell to the customers so I'm just trying to figure out if there's a
way to get around you needing the license if instead you rent that office to a salesperson that is licensed but not employed by you the third party that just don't know if you can do that uh with the lender we they require us to
have the actual license because they they deal with and that's all right that that's where the snafu is okay yeah yeah it's a good point good point so
John our attorney is is saying so the heartburn that we've got is that there's a prohibition about actually selling from that spot but this is a little different right because there's a there's a twist in it and the twist in it is that you've already got a mobile home park and these are going to be new
mobile homes you're moving in correct okay new mobile homes and um there is an exceptions clause here under mobile homes but it only applies in in general commercial districts but again there's a little bit of a twist here and your twist is that you're you're not looking
to sell mobile homes to people who are going to come in and then purchase them and then use them and then and then and then move them somewhere else you're you're not going to be a dealer kind of like you see over on on 15th Street you're you got 20 uh you got 40 spaces
42 total of like 20 I think 21 or 22 vacant that's okay 20 so you're going to you're going to fill those vacancies to that amount correct and then you're going to um and then you're and then you and then you're going to stop right the only time we would pick it back up is if
you know someone moved out we had to demo the home then we maybe move another one on site but it would never increase in density only well you would need a dealer license at that point because all you're doing is you're just you're you're replacing one at that point right rather than putting new ones in there
well be a new one but yes eventually we want to put all new homes you know how long do you think that license you would have to have that dealer license in place two years maybe two years i don't know how fast these things sell
i mean that is a MU1 uh it's acceptable for mobile homes the one thing would be the the sales but um but he's not actually doing it beyond thoughts what do you do when someone moves out and there's a foreclosure they
stop paying the bank and the bank has them go out the the mobile home then has to be resold they're not going to take it off the property you're they're kind of hoping do you have to have a dealer's license for that no no just to resell an existing one that's on the land well if
you sell more than one a year you have to have a dealer's license so if if only had one and we had to evict them and got back the title then then you would need it but if you sell more than one from my understanding anyway guess it's conceivable they could buy it
there a few months and then move it right i mean we would try to lock them in some type of longer land lease or some type of agreement that's the whole point because that's your that's your trailer park you're not looking to make money selling the trailers your your money is made in the in the ground rent
correct okay the land lease I guess or whatever you call it very good well he already owns the park um the I mean the reason for the variance is because what we didn't want
is uh for mobile home uh sort of a dealer where they're constantly selling them and there's that kind of traffic but this is course of a different color he's he's wanting to fill another 21 or 22 spots is there something short term in other words is can he apply for an
annual license that's subject to renewal based on activity compliance with um well our city clerk he comes in every year uh and gets an annual business license okay and our city clerk could deny that if there's some violation
there gota um it would help make everything look better yeah i mean especially if he's moving in new ones yeah and that area 22A is designated for mobile home parks and he's already got an existing
business like I say the only the reason for the variance is because get becoming a dealer it's in direct contrast to but it's he's he's not really a dealer all he's doing is trying to fill the spots and then get them sold to the individuals that are there are you in
agreement with that uh am I falling off a purchase contract that that's really pretty much then between the lender and the buyer is that really selling to do they then sign a one-year lease agreement or a threeyear or five year at the same time for a
5year is our goal i mean I don't know how well that's going to go fly by but I'm wondering if that can somehow be worked into this because that would prevent the quick turnover which is what they're worried about that can't look like a trailer dealership you're just
selling them and then they're moving elsewhere it is fairly expensive to move these things oh I would think so once they're there I would think you're Do you have any statistical data how long does someone all the time um I don't have that but since we bought it you know
probably 75 of our tenants have stayed the other one 75% have stayed for three years right mr uh John would like to ask our city attorney would like to ask a couple of questions if he could sure uh I'm not that familiar with this uh broker's license but you had mentioned
that if you sell more than one per year then you need a broker's license for to sell mobile homes um is that a the type of license that you could I guess uh once you've filled out the lots go inactive
and say you need at some point in the future five 10 years down the line you could pick it back up without having to go through a bunch of hoops or is that something that you would I'm not familiar with the application process uh I'm not either uh and so they had to approve your site and so when they
approved everything up to the point when they saw the zoning and then that's when they sent us the denial um and so that that's why we're here but uh I mean I guess we could make it inactive um again there would be never anybody there you
know in the office or anything right and I I guess or or if we maybe if you would approve it we can maybe do it like a yearly basis to make sure that we're still complying i think that that probably if you're willing to do that because what the city's trying to
prevent is from that becoming like a like a mobile home sales you know outlet right but uh but you're definitely doing something different than what the LDRs were intended against um the for the prohibition piece of it i
mean you're simply wanting to fill the spots that you already have and uh so um I think if you're willing to go ahead and say that you'll keep that license until those slots are filled and then and then no longer be that dealer that
might be something the um governing body could could uh could deal with okay now we can agree to that i mean I'm sure there's a way to just make it inactive with the EVPR or whatever yeah and you know if you need a little bit more time uh then you know like things don't go so
well uh then then uh they would probably have to go ahead and and approve it again but uh by then you'll have put another 15 or 20 of them in maybe and you'll be close to your you know your goal um how do you uh I guess how do you plan on
advertising the sales of these homes are you It's probably just through probably Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist like something like that how we advertise the ones that we had to evict i I imagine that the uh you know having signage commercial commercial
signage at you know the the property where these mobile homes are going to be which is a residential neighborhood might not be uh right that go real well right who are you going through for the mobile homes uh we haven't picked a manufacturer yet but most likely Clayton
or so basically Clayton would they would partner with Clayton they have the land Clayton has the home the bank would approve that so wouldn't the bank be like if let's say one like went into foreclosure that would be the bank's responsibility to either move it or sell
the or to sell that well we would have to evict them yeah and at that point I guess we would assume the home at that time okay or at least that's how we've been doing it now is they would give us a title or we would have to go to the eviction process and get the title that way in order to sell to somebody else to
get somebody else in there i was just like who actually purchases the home uh the homeowner whoever's going to live there so will you take possession of the homes and folks will go and look at them or only when they've purchased paid for
worked it out with the lender the home is delivered to your site correct they had to be prepaid before they So you're not going to just fill up your lot with homes in the hopes that they buy and stay there correct we might have one or two at a time at the most and and and then
chances are if somebody says "Well I want to buy one but I don't want to stay here." They're probably not going to buy that one they're going to go to the lender and have it delivered wherever they're going it's going to bypass you altogether right i mean it's going to be on our site set up and everything and so
okay it would be very unlikely that they would pay for another set of fee to pull it off our side correct because that's the expensive part very expensive part okay that's that's the point like when it goes to the lender because the lender would then be the dealer not necessarily you being the
dealer the lender would be the one that would have to sell the property or sell the Well we technically would be the dealer because we're dealing directly with the manufacturer but uh the lender would finance the buyer okay so there wouldn't be a ton of traffic it would be you know set an appointment with the
property manager she would meet them on site um you just take possession of a few and then it'd be one or two max because we do have to front all the setup fees and all of that and if if people buy more are brought in but not necessarily out he's not going to have
500 people right right got it got it okay and and uh you did like like I say you did go ahead and review all of the what the new standards for the mobile home parks are going to be like the recreation area the setbacks the green belt areas that minimum lot size i heard
you say 5,000 square feet correct i mean I think we I'm pretty sure we we complied to everything on there very good even paid the roads here in the last couple months okay so here's here's what we have so um within the the regulations if we didn't want a dealer
to be selling mobile homes uh in that MU1 area but this is really got a a unique twist to it he already owns the property he's um and uh back in 2022 we set new standards for mobile home parks
that they had to comply with paved roads green belt area you you remember Terry because you green belt areas recreational areas and and I think you're compliant with all of those things i'd review those things first because it'll probably come up during the council meeting so the one thing
that's that's different is if we look at uh the MU1 area we didn't want any dealers but he's really not a dealer there's kind of a twist he's being he's being asked to become a dealer in order to just sell the remaining slots there
um so what I'm John any anything else before I I ask for a motion and a vote is uh do you know if the Clayton Holmes isn't there Clayton Holmes on 15th Street but I don't know if that's a
franchise dealership or if it's a direct operation with Clayton Holmes if it's I guess the latter would they you know directly owned by the manufacturer itself could you go through you know have the homes I guess initially delivered have
the showings done at that at the 15th Street area and then once the I guess the buyer walks down the loan and you know comes to an agreement with the lender at that point have them delivered um so it's just so so for us right like
if they go to Clayton Homes they can just basically they're just buying the home and they can move it anywhere else right uh for us to fill the park it's easier for us to fill the park if the actual home is on site that way they know okay they're happy with this location this is where they want to live
and and that's how you'd operate so you'd actually buy like 20 or 22 homes no maybe one or two at a time because we do have to front all the setup fees and all that stuff there is a cost uh to that so you bring one or two in at a time until the lot's full until you get 22 more of them in there correct so if
they start selling fast and obviously we can buy a little bit quicker but we have no idea how long it's going to take to I think when we when we review the uh variance request I think that meets the requirement because it's
generally it's unique and and that's uh you know there so if we look at this uh there's a specific hardship affecting the development of the property resulting from the strict application of these provisions okay so he could normally go out and buy another 22 uh
homes if he wanted to and put him in that spot but they're forcing him to be a dealer because the MU1 22A that's where we wanted the mobile homes um so the hardship is nothing based on anything he's done
um the variance is is a requirement because we have a specific rule here about a dealership but he's not going to be a dealership he's simply buying them to get he has to have the dealership license in order to fill his mobile home park the way he wants to do
it um and it's really compatible with the adjacent area that's number five um let's see really it meets the spirit of the regulations because he's not in a situation where he's really becoming a
dealer he's simply doing it to get around whatever rules the dealership has that he's going to be dealing with um and it it is consistent with the comprehensive plan because the comprehensive plan allows mobile home parks there and it sounds like they
bought the park three years ago and they've improved the park to the 2025 uh end of year standards right did I summarize that about the way it needs to be done pretty good job all right so
um I mean and this is unique it's it's it's not a direct violation because it's sort of simply a way that he wants to conduct his business in order to run his business simply because of some requirement that's being placed on them
for him to become a dealer in order to sell it this way so he's not actually selling homes out of there where they're going to get hooked up and dragged somewhere else like they do at Clayton in a homes they're gonna be on a spot and they're going to stay there right so
that's very different from what I think the intent of the LDRs were and that was to prevent um you know homeowners who are nearby from being harmed by a dealership operating in that area which is primarily
for you know the benefit of residences you know and and like industry and that sort of thing like businesses to to operate i'd be real comfortable with this if I we can be assured it will not turn into a dealership yes that could be and maybe
that can be done with a yearly review well like I say I don't know it it um code enforcement Ingred well co Ingred um Ingred actually has the right to deny
a business a business license annually annually people are supposed to come to her and renew their license so she'll have the notes and if it's in violation of of whatever the motion is here or in the council members she has the right to say "Hey look you violated
the the requirements." So I think this is unique enough to uh to move forward with a motion and I would put that in there that uh you know if if there's a a violation in other words they're using it for more than just filling the slots
then we'd be in a position where you know our city clerk could then deny the their business license for year the year after that or until they comply okay John you satisfied uncomfortable
just because you're worried Sloan's going to slap you it it does I guess at least inform contradict what is stated as a prohibited use the LDRs but I also recognize that it is
a unique situation uh creative I think on your part um so it's it's up to you okay very good well it's up to all everybody here because everybody gets an equal solid decision either yeah or problems come up you know
they're you know they'll they'll look at the uh at the planning review and and make their decision based on on that so which I think the thinking here is legitimate i do too and I think your I think your point is yours or Ann's point or maybe it was Kyle I can't remember
who said "Hey we're it's improving the area because we're and these are all going to be new mobile homes right be new from the other." So that's going to definitely and you know I don't know if you guys have gone out to the beach and seen some of these mobile home parks but when you've got a good owner that's a
responsible and they're and they're they're dedicated to their brand and they want to build something nice some of those places are beautiful it doesn't have to be you know shoddy you know mobile home parks doesn't have to be they can be very nice
okay so what what I'll ask for is a motion and let me give you an idea of what the motion could possibly sound like that we're going to recommend to the council uh to allow for this variance based on the concept that uh
annually uh we will review if uh you know the the business is being conducted as we discussed here in other words for the sole purpose of filling the remaining slots and that the um uh the
new regulations regarding mobile home parks in terms of green space size and everything that that all of those are are compliant the roads are all paved to the 16 ft that we had requested those kinds of things so um so and I think
uh our former clerk pointed this out to me earlier today i think the requirement for that compliance is December 31st of this year so u that the park has been held to the standards set by the council
members by December 31st of 2025 okay or already there and that uh we recommending this go to um council for their review and potential approval okay I would make make that
recommendation just like Mark stated it okay very good it's exactly what I was saying okay so you need more time for your notes are you okay i am not all right very good okay so uh I'll need a motion i'll make a motion okay very good i'll need a
second i'll second okay I'll need a vote please excellent mr merritt yes miss Powering yes mr striker yes and Chairman Rig yes and thank you thanks for improving the city and we'll look forward to one of those super luxurious mobile home parks now it still has to go
to the council members for their review okay and everything we discussed here i think I would probably in order to make sure that they're comfortable with this make sure you review in section five uh what those new standard those
development standards were for mobile home parks because quite frankly I've seen some magnificent mobile home parks okay and then I've seen some real real dogs out there and what they're trying to protect against is harming the neighbors when you when you get you know the downside the the dogs of those
things but if you're putting in paved roads and putting in green space and putting in recreational areas and and everything I I think and and then they would own you know own the box you'd own the land that I think uh what you're doing in terms of being a dealership
really is is not what we were trying to pre prevent in this prohibition of the of the uh land development rules okay thank you sir thank you appreciate you i saw this coming up and I thought heck no that's not going to work well when you explain it it is very good concept i've
seen it done before actually in unincorporated Bay County and it worked just fine and that's been that was like 14 years ago absolutely very good so what's the next step for me council regular meeting May 6 so I come back May 6 yes and they are the
governing board but they'll look at our review and um we'll have an opportunity to talk to them is it the same time or do you send 5:30 theirs will be at 5:30 and I would just go down that regulation list of everything you have to meet and just
like say how you've met it that way when they ask those questions have you met this have you met this you can say yes and this is how it's done all right and you started that Mr gwent by uh by talking about uh how you've already paved the roads and everything they'll it's probably not a bad idea to start
with that letting them know that you knew that the the threshold for mobile home parks being compliant with the new rules that were set in 2022 that your park is to that standard okay and that these are going to be brand new homes
filling existing slots and everything from a standpoint of density and everything is is compliant okay all right sir and that the only reason that you need your dealer's license is because of the business that you're doing you're going to be conducting uh
in order to then you know sell those homes to the people who are going to be in those lots sounds good not not anybody outside okay very good thank you sir appreciate your time all right thank you for that thanks for that
was all right very good so is it Mr and Mrs davis very good i remember this one so this is the one where we had like a we had like a um public access separating your property and you were going to go see if
you owned to the middle of the road and that public access in order to determine if you could then combine that land and to your parent property so that you'd have enough space to build a garage that's correct how are we doing on that
we went found the original owner her name was uh Alberta albert Bratton and anyway she was married and she lives in Tennessee she's real old and uh so she was a real original signer for the deed or whatever whenever they made them homes only she could sign it legally
okay and she had had open heart surgery and Christmas Eve and God rest her and God bless her so she was so nice and you know helped us out and so I got a lawyer here clear title they did all the paperwork i gave her the partial where
it shows that now at 109 we own 111th just like on one on 1013 we own 111th all them houses on 111th on that service road or common area what they did they added 109 which was the only house out
of 11 that didn't have it on there which was a typo or something so when they what they did they they they got her and she signed it saying she would uh you know give us 111th of that common area
111th of the common area and so that makes it where we can merge the properties now we own both sides so and have you merged the property no we came here because you told me the city clerk wouldn't be able to do that no the the city clerk will will give you a letter
that will then allow you to go down to um the clerk of clerk of courts right John is that the process yeah bay County Clerk of Courts they will then merge the property okay and then and then you'll have the space you need yeah yeah so um it's been recorded and everything down
there it's all legal and everything but when you say they're recorded so you own the property across but has the merger been recorded so that that property where you want to build a garage has been merged to your No I had to get that 111th okay because
the other part had 111 so now I got 111 on both sides you know what I mean it's like I own part of that that that road like everybody else so that's And we're not going to do away with the road no no no i understand that and you don't have
to you don't have to but the state the state does say that with certain types of roadways when you've got uh like like if it's a public access or an alley for example the state does say that if you can show that you own up to the middle of that road and then your other
property owns up to the middle those are abudded properties well it's 111 so that's we're touching yes sir so so then what the next step for you to do is uh is to um uh have Ingred Yeah write a
letter okay to you that identifies to the clerk of courts that um we're okay uh with with you merging that property okay um and then and then once they do that once they do that then there's not
even a requirement for a variance because you had once you had the the parent track added to the second track you had enough land right yeah I remember you yeah I remember you talking about because we did the math on it yeah that's why we went with it because it's not 7500 but together it would cover
that right so it becomes contiguous well and you have a you have a a principal residence on the other one right yeah one Z yeah yeah that okay and we own property on the water too so that would be sufficient well the only thing that would matter
that's low density residential right i guess i don't know i think it is right is that right i think it was low D so the only thing that was matter would matter at that point is that you're not beyond your 40% impervious area but I think we did the math on all that before
and I think we're fine very small so I I think the uh Well here's the deal did you file for a variance okay but here here's the deal you you don't need a variance well at first we thought we had to get variance right because we didn't know that and then they said "Well with
the new rules I know but I mean if you combine the property then then you don't need the variance." That's right exactly that's what we're trying to do it's not it it's it's not um necessary for us to approve on a variance okay because
you're not going to need the variance that's correct you're going to combine the property and then you can and then you can build that legally because you'll have all the space you need that's correct so but you still could have to have a permit for the building oh yeah but you don't need to go through us to build a
garage though hunt oh no this young lady right here can approve it all for you yeah yeah so do this for me all right come come back are you in tomorrow i am okay get get a letter from Ingred that identifies that the city is okay with
you because you've shown ownership uh of that that common alleyway or roadway get a letter from her that identifies that the city is okay with you combining it then go to the county and and get it get it merged okay combined you'll fill out
a paperwork to them that says ultimately that that's what you want it'll be added to the tax ro of the first of the first property that's there okay and then you'll have enough space uh in order to to build a garage that be right so excuse me would that be would that have
to be done by the property appraiser office i think so i believe it is yeah it used to be you'd have to go down to Bill Kinsel's office and start there but I think he had some thing six or eight months ago that said you don't have to do that anymore just go to the property appraisers's office yeah okay I'll call
you as soon as I have that ready for you to come pick up pardon me i can't hear very good i'll call you as soon as I have that ready for you oh that'd be great wonderful hey so so what what we're going to do there Mr davis is because because you came
before us uh for to to approve a variance my point is that it's not going to be variance because I thought the you know the discussion earlier was you're going to combine the properties and you can do that just she can do that all on her own she has that level of authority to write that letter and then ultimately
just go to the um property appraisers office get it com get it combined and uh and then um you don't have to come before council or anything at that point you just come back to this young lady right here and she'll she'll uh uh you know say it's okay for you to get your
permit and then if we're still doing business with EPCI at that point then ultimately uh you know you'll get whatever permit you need in order to build that garage okay yeah I took your advice and it was good advice thank you very much well actually I think it was John here oh yeah yeah he said something about because he's the guy who said
"Wait you you do there's commonality there in that roadway it's not a it's not a city owned road city or state owned it's that's exactly you own it by the individual." So yeah so we own it yep that's right very good thank you thank you Mr mrs davis appreciate your your time very good so we're not going
to take a vote on that because he came before us with a variance but he's he's not going to need a variance if he combines the property and then uh you know what I'm saying sure right now I understand what you're saying maybe he withdraws it I guess
so can we get an official I'm withdrawing the variance because you're going to take Okay very good very good if you'll put that I'm sure y'all y'all keep the money i mean that's cuz it went through the went through the process you know so no problem thank you Mr davis
appreciate your time very good okay and uh again I'm I don't want to uh blister your name sir is it Hangav say it again sir bango bango mr bangav how are you sir good and because we have
people electronically listening um to this if you don't mind sort of giving us your name again and then uh what what you're attempting with your property um my name is Harshar Bangal and I bought uh a quadplex um nearby Air 110 Sherry
Lane uh right now is uh sitting on one parcel and uh I'm hoping to split into uh four parcels so that each unit can have its own u lot and they can be uh sell off individually
can you not sell those individually uh uh right now it will have to sell as one person or all four has to be sold at once so if if the zoning allows u then Um I would like to
have split them into four parcels so that each one unit is sitting on its own parial and the the neighboring plants uh mostly I look they they are already split most of them and that's the land is split on
the neighboring parcels the lot the lot is split the quad the neighboring quadlexes on the street most of them are they have four they have four parcels for each complex yes sir so I was hoping to do the same
for this one anybody confirm that can you bring up the property appraisers office and put in uh Cherry Lane um I I looked at that earlier and I didn't I didn't see uh that those other ones were split but it's probably just because I was not
looking specifically for that just let us confirm that real fast the uh any questions uh from the commissioners i just I don't understand how that works with town homes is that Yeah they're
attached yeah are they usually one block per so many or are most of them usually individual believe it or not there's different laws within uh the state uh like condominiums for example can be on one large parcel of land and
then you own the individual spaces that are in there what he's wanting to do is to segregate that um the um and he's in an MU he's in an MU yeah it's the green area it's MU1 so uh they can put up to
15 um dwelling units per acre of land um that that's there um so I just don't know what the common way to do it is i'm just I'm I'm just wondering do we know anything about why uh I mean is this
even necessary for him he can't sell the individual parcels of land without splitting the land i would think that he needs to split the land so that the properties or the I think there's four town home units would be taxed individually rather than as a
whole so there'd be four separate tax bills one for each unit rather than one tax bill for all four units i'm assuming that they're all rental units at the moment yes so I is that your right now it's like one tax parial number so eventually
you'll get like four tax partial numbers right so the unit like uh numbered as 110 112 114 and 116 and uh um that way you know if 11 needs to be
sold then that can be sold on this land so pretty much the if this is the land there four line three lines uh been drawn by the survey company already submitted so you own that that building and you have to act as a landlord rather
than being able to sell the units individually is that Yeah that in the future like it can be sold you'd like to be able to sell the individual units individual units or keep one and sell three or keep two and sell two whereas
also for a buyer it will be less affordable to buy a single unit than having to buy them but see that's a lot right right that's a lot and that's a lot you can This is four town homes and then
this is his parcel four town homes isn't that Isn't that one lot though right there and that's one lot and that's one lot and then you got the town home separate right they're they're on their it appears that they're on their own separate parcels but this is one
building essentially with four separate town homes that are each okay is there a homeowners association for all of them no there's no association and
so each individual would have to maintain their own roof and building front and back and the each end unit would also have the side building they are built to the design where they can be easily split like that so it's
like one unit has the ground floor and the top floor as well okay so they just have a common wall it's just one common wall in between right all right all right i think I got a understanding of what's going on here so some of them are split some of them are
not um now when I did the math on it though uh just to be aware um there are some other things here that uh you need to be aware of for example uh if you look at um the if you look at your you know
where your buildings are in relationship to your lot lines uh so you would need a variance uh for that because uh your side variant your side property lines I think for MU one has got to be seven feet is that
right i think that's what it is let me just confirm it real fast so we're not talking here we go yeah okay so MU1 yeah your sideyards it have to be seven feet
so we're off we got one at 4.7 one at 5.4 5.6 um well the difference is they're there right now the way they are right so nothing's changing
there so John if he's if he is able to split these then he can just have what separate deeds on that property is that what the deal would be uh yes i imagine that and actually this probably has his has four uh legal descriptions have been
already drafted yeah yeah yeah i think that's what we're looking at right here um so we're not adding Okay i have a little Okay so here here's what if we just go
by the math let me give you some Can Can we take a peek at that yeah yeah actually I think we've got that we got that yes sir we've got that um Okay so here here's what we here's what we've got so u he want right now I guess he would have one one owner would have to
buy them all because they're all on the same parcel of land then he just becomes a landlord and lived in one and a landlord to the three yeah now um there is a rule just just so
everybody knows this is right now this is what's referred to as a legal non-conforming structure okay so it's a legal non-conforming structure and as um as planners we're not supposed to do
anything that should increase the level of nonconformity okay um so the heartburn I've got is if you look at the amount of property he's got he's
got.257 acres total total and it's MU2 so you can have 15 so if you do the math on that uh it means that he would really have to have closer to a little over about.3 and change okay so he's So right
now he's got a total of about 11,616 square foot of area and he's 500 square foot short of having four residences on a okay you know so if you split it and say okay now I've got I got
four individual residences um is like I say is about 500 square foot short and he split it into three rather than four so that one would be sold as a duplex a single single family but duplex and then the other two would
be town houses does that meet the math requirement i'm just thinking outside the box i I and I'm I'm actually wondering again i mean why why I mean condominiums are on one large parcel of land can't you I mean condominium law is
pretty specific uh why do you need to own the land can't you just buy the property i mean can't you just leave it the way it is and sell off the individual properties um I think that might be an alternative
normally they're developed that way I think from the outset and I you know it's uh to use that as a way to get around municipal regulations is probably not uh I see not something I guess we should
recommend at least yeah yeah in Maryland you could buy a property and not the land it was called a leaseold you owned the buildings but you paid an annual ground rent so if if splitting the land is the issue and not the buildings
that's just wrong it's not that different from the trailer park they own the building they own the trailer they lease the land so yeah is there any way that he can split the buildings and be a ground rent holder or call one of them
keep two of them together as his primary residence and the other two now you've only got three on that parcel of land not four and your square footage issue is addressed just Yeah it's a good point okay
um there's no way to sell those things on one large parcel of land right because then the uh property tax would be right now it's only one property tax on one so then um yeah it would have to
be dated up in order to okay property tax for them that way he'd have still pay property tax right because that's why you're the groundholder so you collect from your building owners and you actually have the right to foreclose in the event of non-payment it's just it's something that I learned in
Maryland that's all so so okay a couple of things so first of all the it it's a legal non-conforming structure right now not non-conforming use legal non-conforming structure okay because of the parcel of
land that it's on and the fact that there's four dwellings on it right now it's it's technically supposed to be just a little bit bigger in terms of the land that it's on but it's it's already there okay yeah he's not doing anything i'm I'm What I'm struggling with is by
identifying that uh they could split the parcel into four parcels are we increasing the level of nonconformity by doing that or not because it's already there think we're reducing it but maybe not
we're changing it you're trading one for the other how' the other ones get done that That's a really good point because the other ones have been split you know I'd have a different view of it i'd say no way if the other ones were that way
so yeah just asking that's why I looked at it like you know all the because they are the same size parcel if they were to be one and they have been already gone through this process and they have been four divided up already i think maybe one or two are still not there but
do we know when they were split or is there it'll it'll tell you right on that property on on each of those uh it won't tell you when it's split oh oh oh I gotcha okay okay but about about twothirds of them are split and then and
then you know the you know this gentleman's and then some across the way on the other side have not but many of them have already been split i guess is if there's any way to see how that was done or can you dig down into
the nuts and bolts and see when was it have rules changed since then or was there Is there a way around it or is it a non-issue i think ultimately it's just changing the manner in which he's being taxed on this property it doesn't change any he's
not asking for any sort of variance with regards to perspective development he's asking for just a change in the manner in which he's being taxed which will also allow him to sell the property off thank you different listen no actually John that
helps a lot because u that does because again he's not building any new structures he's not adding really to the level of non-conformity because we we wouldn't be able to do that all right uh if if it is it's really just a matter really this is just so you can sell the
properties and those new owners can have their own tax bills with their own property on we are going to essentially um I mean He's 500 square feet short when you combine all four of them but if you
divvy him up he's only like 125 square feet short per property there so really we're close at that point it is what it is yeah that's my way of you know we can't change that he can't change it yeah and sorry sometimes you know when
complex issues like this come up we This is how we kind of figure it out i've never dealt with this before anything like this I was Oh okay okay very good curious all right uh anything else that uh you want to add um okay
i you know when I first looked at this I was a little concerned about it only because of the nonconformity that already exists on the sideyards the the total space that that's there um is this the only one that hasn't been
split no there's there's others that have been that have not been twothirds but twothirds have been split the ones across the way and down have not been split as well but but the ones directly adjacent to you have been split so um
and I I think that's the answer is he's really just looking for a different way to tax it he's not really looking to do anything different other than give him the right to sell it off as individual parcels i I think hypothetically he could based on the survey that he has
here he could go ahead and and sell it to a prospective buyer without actually requesting this but then it's going to cause problems for the buyer it's going to cause problems for him and since that he's going to be paying that buyer's taxes the buyer won't be able to get a
mortgage because the mortgage company's going to want to make sure that the taxes are paid so that their mortgage is not foreclosed out by a tax lean um so oh I see what you're saying yeah but it's not going to I guess uh rescend any sort of deed that he might execute with
the legal description describing any one of these particular town home units okay most of the time a variance is to change something you're wanting to change the tax bill right that's what you're needing to change from one to four
that's it's Yeah I don't see anything being physically changed no really shared wall affect any kind of ownership like between each one uh I think you you own up to the wall i think that's it usually a common wall it's like a town
home yeah and uh yeah just like a condominium where you own the you know you own the space inside of it okay um I think we could probably ask for a motion then uh and uh the motion may sound something like
um uh we're willing to go ahead and and split this the principal purpose of it is for the you know so that each individual owner of these properties will will have a very specific tax bill um that uh you know there's again
there's nothing being built on it there's nothing being altered we're simply changing you know the the property lines so uh I'll ask for a motion that ultimately says either yay nay or or
conditional i'll make a motion that we approve it with the split um as it is listed on the variance it now he's not asking for a variance it's just for a requested uh
lot split partial split yeah can I get a second to that okay we'll second it uh can I get a a vote please absolutely mr merritt yes miss Powering yes mr striker yes chairman Rig yes i'll have to explain this to the mayor yes
i think we'll have to figure it out that's right all right very good okay well thank you sir uh now the next step uh this is not a variance so he really just needs to go to you so your next step is to go to Ingred and
get a letter from her that identifies that uh the city is approving does the lot have to go before council members i think it does i think it does yeah you do have to come before council members so uh just uh just go ahead and um uh
just know that and then identify exactly as John had identified that we're doing this purely so that we can sell off the individual parcels and so that there's separation between who gets what tax bill we're not increasing you know we're
not doing anything with regard to uh conformity or non-conformance or or increasing conform nonconformity any of that thing it's really just we're separating the properties all right sir thanks for your time thank you and the next meeting is the the next meeting for
the council members is May 6th may 6th yeah may 5:30 boy that's way out there so they're not going to have another meeting in April oh I got you i got you if I'm not here can somebody else come somebody else can come but they probably need to be uh prepared because there
will be some questions okay by the council members about why are you doing it i mean these properties have had some issues uh you know that that's actually like a the city doesn't even own that road down there okay uh and there's been flooding in this particular area um so
they may have some questions about that and uh you know are we their questions might be there have been some problems with those properties are we you know adding gas to some fire to do any other improvements in order for me to do this i'm kind of also like
should I even do this or not so I'm kind of exploring i I think I'd go to that meeting the May 6 meeting but just or or have somebody else attend the meeting and say "Look the reason we're wanting this split is so we can have we can separate uh you know who owes what taxes it's really
that simple we're not changing any levels of conformity or nonconformity uh all we're doing is we're trying to clearly delineate who pays what taxes for each individual property and so that one person doesn't have to buy all four we can have four individual owners you
know it see it would also it promotes home ownership because 1/4th is going to be more affordable you'll have four owners and four taxpayers instead of one a landlord of three very good thank you thank you sir we appreciate you thanks for approving the
city okay terry anything for the the group not that I can think of okay and you want to share anything with us or have any questions for the group nothing I can share publicly but thank you for John anything that you'd like to discuss
yes sir um Kyle I'm good thank you okay um so Ingred uh I I think is probably going to uh remind us probably next month uh when that form one uh is going to be necessary that's the financial disclosure remember on those you don't
put any amounts down just own you know what you own and that sort of thing and um that's all that I've got so oh and and I will be so Terry if you'll run the meeting in June i'll be here m in May but in June we've got some families that
were I won't be here in May and Oh okay you'll be out in May okay very good very good okay nothing else it's called form one yeah uh Ingred's going to probably send it to us via email everybody get their their city emails and and
everything okay you have to submit it electronically now online this has to be submitted electronically okay very good it's really easy okay very good okay well we'll shut the meeting down thank you everybody