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Part 1 (Video ID: QuvDx0FAHVc):
- 00:00:00: Invocation, Pledge, Roll Call, and Meeting Introduction
- 00:02:09: Variance Request: Six Foot Fence, 4923 Donaldson Road
- 00:11:24: Public Comment: David Baker, Dover Road - Chicken Farm, Safety
- 00:18:27: Public Comment: Linda Guyger, Dover Road - Aesthetics Concern
- 00:28:27: Motion and Vote on Variance, Next Steps Explained
- 00:31:39: Discussion: Senate Bill 48 - Accessory Dwelling Units
- 00:33:06: Discussion: Storage, Sheds, Impervious Surface Rules


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May 12th, 2026. Thank you all to everybody who's interested in the business that we conduct here in the city. Terry, can I ask you to do our invocation? Sure can. >> Our heavenly father, we again thank you for this day you've given us and we

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thank you Lord for the gra. You know we need it but on your time not ours. We thank you for this city we live in Lord and we pray that the decisions we make tonight would be here. your approval Jesus name we pray.

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>> Amen. >> Absolutely. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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>> Thank you. Madam clerk, will you conduct a roll call, please? >> Mr. Paul here. >> Mr. Merrick >> here. >> This is Paul Rain. >> Yes, ma'am. >> I'm here.

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>> Mr. Striker >> here. >> And Chairman Reagan >> here. Thank you. >> Thank you. And welcome. >> Thank you. >> Our first meeting. >> Yes. >> Thank you for being our clerk. It's a tough role, but we know you're up to the task. >> I'm ready. >> Thank you very much. >> Ladies and gentlemen, thank you again

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for being here. Uh tonight we have a variance and that uh the state of Florida requires that we conduct a public hearing. Just a little bit about what that public hearing is. The applicants will come forward and uh our clerk will swear them in. Uh and uh and

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then after the commissioners have an opportunity uh to ask their questions uh the audience members themselves if they have any questions or comments will also come to the podium also be sworn in and then the commissioners will receive

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those comments. All right. Um so uh at this time before we move on to that I will ask anybody if you have anything that you'd like to bring before uh the commissioners that are not on the current agenda.

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If not we'll roll right into uh the agenda item. So today uh we do have a variance request uh from uh is it Miss Chick from Miss Chick, Mr. Mrs. Chick. Uh it's located 4923 Donaldson Road.

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Would you come to the podium, please? Very good. You can both come to the podium. It doesn't matter. Okay. And uh generally what we do is we just ask that you give the commissioner sort of a summary about what you're trying to to do on your property.

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>> Um so in short, >> oh one second. I have to ask for you to be sworn in. That's my fault. Sorry. >> Okay. >> Raise your right hand. Do you affirm that all testimony you would give today is the truth? >> Yes. >> Very good. Thank you. And then if you'll

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give us your summary. Thank you. >> So in short, what we applied for is the variance allowing us to have a six foot tall fence in what is legally considered the front yard.

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It's not in front of the home. It is offset from the home itself. So nothing will be blocking the homeongines. It's just off to the side. Historically, there were two separate lots. They've been combined >> deed together. >> Deed together. So,

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>> it would be to the right of the house. We're looking. >> So, is it just for just that one line or you going to fence in the >> It'll be the entire thing. Uh, but the >> Yes, sir. >> Looks like back to back the house. >> Yes, sir.

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>> Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. But the only portion um >> that needs the variance is past the front corner >> past the front corner there. So >> on both sides or just the side nearest the lot >> just and and are you going to go across the

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the empty lot where your boats are and then go back the same >> it's going to come back to the um the front edge of the house and then cross over. Um >> so therefore >> historically where it was two lots I know they probably shouldn't refer to it

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as that. It is one whole lot. Um, but we are using that as kind of the dividing line of where it is coming back towards the home and then connecting to the home on that side. >> And then anything across the front, >> there will be a gate. >> A gate, but you want six feet across the

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front as well or something lower. I know you're going to come past the house. >> So, it's going to be six feet all the way across the front and all the way down. Just six feet for the entire thing. >> Okay. >> Not front of the house. >> That's what I'm That's what I'm asking. What's going to go across the front of the house? >> Nothing. That will remain as a whole

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separate >> that lot. Correct. >> Okay. Curious. Do you plan to put a pool in there? >> No pool or anything? >> We're going to have two under two. And we have two very high energy dogs. So, they can clear a 4ft fence pretty easily. >> And that's why you need the six feet.

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>> Yeah. We have a Belgian melon wall and a Siberian husky. So, >> big boys, too. >> So, you got to have a little bit of height there. Yeah, I understand that. Good deal. So that's more freedom for the, you know, kids without getting in the road, although not a lot of traffic, but, you know, that's always subject to

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change. So >> portion that comes up past the house, how how many feet will that be? I know six high, but how far in front of 10 ft, six feet, 12 feet? Just curious. >> I'd have to look at the paperwork. >> I cannot recall off the top of my head.

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>> Um, so the 25 ft off the center of the road is the the closest. >> There you go. >> But still be further back. >> You'll you'll be within that. So, got it. So, >> that was my question to you. >> And you know, I >> we still have the the

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survey markers there and everything for that to be >> correct. >> Some of the aesthetics in the neighborhood. I too live in Donaldson Point. I make it a point to go up and down your street. Great trash picks on Thursdays before the claw comes. >> Absolutely. And uh so you remember my

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little gator buzzing up and down the street. And there are a few is that it appears there are fences in front of the house, but their technicalities right at the end of your street at Stratford, there's a house that faces the corner. >> Correct. >> So, it looks like they have a fence

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coming up a tall fence all the way out to the road, but technically that's the back and side of their house. >> And so, I on Donaldson I mean I'm on Dover, but I'm I face Logan. So, the side of my house, Dover, I can do things that most people think to my house that

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most people think is the front. It's not. the side. So, I I understand, you know, and again, you're truly facing Donaldson there, but >> it's not going to be the only house in the neighborhood that has what looks like a tall fence coming out to the road

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because even the opies, Steve, Vicki, who live at uh Sharon and Stratford, that little white house with his boats and all his toys, >> they're on the side of the house, but it's right there next to Stratford and they face

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I mean chairman. >> Yes. >> My last question is looking at the trees on the property. How would that affect the trees? >> Not for this structure. Um >> would it be in front of the trees? >> We were going to set it behind

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>> that one tree that closest tree. >> Yes. >> There's a tree and then there's like a little overgrown area. Um that tree or bee tree, it's got a active beehive in it. Um

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>> yeah, it's honey bees. They're very dumm >> and and being that it's 25 ft off the Well, actually be So if that road right there is actually about 24 feet wide, it would be about 13 feet off the road. >> It's not There are no vision triangle issues.

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straight shot. >> Pretty much straight shot right right down the road there. Uh and certain things can be built on the property line, particularly mailboxes and driveways and fences for that for that very reason. >> Um

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any any additional questions here? >> Have has anybody gotten a response from police and fire to safety? It doesn't we haven't uh but this a lot of uh I asked a little earlier about something like

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that Terry and uh usually tall buildings or significant variances they are consulted. This is considered a minor variance. In fact, some municipalities in Florida do not even require a a planning or you know a governing body

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review for minor variances or or any of that stuff. in seeing that there's not a vision triangle issue, it's really just a six foot fence. >> Um, they they probably, you know, wouldn't have >> I just didn't know. I know I'm I'm

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assuming the low fence in front was for safety reasons. >> Aesthetic mostly aesthetic reasons. As a matter of fact, if you go to uh places like uh Palm Springs >> Oh, yeah. you know, you got these multibill

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million dollar homes uh and you have privacy fences because those people want to protect their Ferraris and their privacy and all of that stuff. So, it's a little bit of a misnomer and uh I kind of feel like u you know the variance

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process is all part of our land development rules and I feel like this is a perfect example of why it exists because we have Mr. and Mrs. Chick who are not going to be building a fence technically >> in front of their home, >> but they were fortunate enough to buy

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two lots, you know, give them the extra land they need. They simply want to fence the entire thing in and give them, you know, both the protection of their family and their pets and things that >> the fire um hydrant is also located just

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to the left of our driveway um so it's not going to be on the side with the fence um so it doesn't obstru for if they need to run lines. >> I just want to make sure there wasn't a safety issue with police. >> I understand is but that's a really good point. It's

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a 16 ft gate uh right there. So if a essentially what he's saying is he just wants to make sure that if something if the back if the police or if fire needs to access the back of the home, could they get through that 16oot gate in order to put the fire out is essentially what he's what he's asking. So, and

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they're they're putting a pretty good size 16 foot gate in. So, that's why >> they weren't missing as bad as part of the >> little easier to put back together. A lot easier. >> Yes. >> You can get your toys in and out, too. >> And thankfully, we're not as constrained

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as some of the folks on the alleyway, >> you know, where you need a much wider gate. We do have a much better turning radius there, but we still wanted it a little wider for the possibility of anything in the future. >> I'm jealous. I wish of that. Let me ask the audience. Are there any audience

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members that wish to uh have comments or questions for these applicants? >> Okay. >> Yes, sir. If you'll come to the audience, come to the podium. You have to be sworn in, sir. It's a public hearing. >> Hold on one sec.

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>> Go ahead and swear. >> Can raise your right hand. Do you affirm that all testimony you would give today is the truth? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Very good. Yes, sir. >> David Baker, 1319 Dover. >> Okay. Very good. >> Um, my concern is the use. I'm told if code

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enforcement can't see it from the road, it can't enforce it. >> That property currently has far more than three birds, chickens allowed. That property currently has eight as of this morning. >> Um, my concern is we're going to turn

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into a chicken farm. Nobody can do anything about it. >> My other concern is >> the safety issue. got children on that road we didn't have a year ago. Come down that road 25 miles an hour. Kid on electric bicycle comes out that gate and

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you've got no chance to stop at 25 miles an hour before you go and hit them. This is part of the my concern. My other concern is insurance rates. These fences, they look awful when they weather. They weather and they look

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terrible and they become very very flammable. structure that big, it might not infect his insurance rates, but down the road, monkey see monkey do. We're going to have neighbors doing this and it may affect mine.

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>> Well, it's a good comments in terms of the, you know, the visual nature of it. Uh, what this is about is simply being able to build a fence in front, uh, forward to the plane of the front of his home.

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So the fence would still be there. It would just simply be, >> you know, 20 or 30 feet would be cut off the front. So the visibility aspect, I'm not seeing the point quite there. >> Uh the other thing is too is I'm a big Fourth Amendment guy >> and I believe in people's right to

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privacy. I do. >> And uh and I I I know that um you know, if you're concerned about children, you know, riding a bike coming off of their property onto the roadway, I think that's all about

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and safety issues less so than um you know a fence being built you know essentially 13 feet off the road. It's still going to be 13 feet off the road. >> So it's just this is really more about

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that's because of the right away. Technically if it were a structure it would have to be 25 ft from the center of the road and then you'd have the setback in the front which would be what 20 20 yeah 20 feet beyond that. So this is

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going to be 13 feet off the off the front of the road and um plenty of distance in order to be able to see individuals or things of that nature. >> That was my first concern is safety. >> Yeah, I absolutely agree. The um uh the

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the real thought uh about um about you know fencing being in the front was more aesthetic rather than anything else. You're right. The 25 an hour. That's pretty much uh pretty standard through a lot of matter of fact, I think one area now is a 15 mph limit.

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>> Um but anyway, I appreciate your comments. Any anything else you wanted to share with us, but thank you and and and but the aesthetic piece of it, hopefully they'll, you know, if it starts to look nasty, you know, you'll you you'll you'll resolve that.

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>> I've got a neighbor who wrecked the fence. >> Yeah. is literally falling apart. It's three years old. I can't get him or code enforcement to address it. >> Yeah. >> It's literally falling over onto my fence, which is painted. >> And you're on Do you >> I'm on the corner of Dover and Donald.

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>> Do Okay. I'm on Dover. Where do you live in relationship to to me? >> I'm 1503. Where is Where is Anybody know? >> I'm 139.

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Are you next door to the Quad Flex? >> Yes. Yes, sir. >> Oh, okay. Next door to the Quadlex. Yes. Okay. Okay. I got you. >> We take great care to keep >> the curb appeal up. >> Yeah. >> I understand it affects >> everybody in town when one property

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falls. >> Yeah. >> Below that. >> Well, and the good news is, you know, um I know most of my neighbors and quite frankly, and I hope you do, I when somebody has something that's

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sort of like a a sore thumb, you know, in society, you knock on their door and you say, "Hey, can I help you? Can I paint you? Help you paint your fence or stain it." Uh or, you know, oftentimes it's less about desire and more about being elderly or something of that nature. I kind of hope

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we get to that point. I mean, I know this lady here goes out of her way in order to help people out, whether it's estate sales or helping people resolve and repair things. My hope is that if somebody has something that's um not aesthetically appealing for a marvelous

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neighborhood because we we all I think most of the people here well except for for Kyle >> and I don't know about this young lady back here I think live in Donaldson Point and you're right it's it's the crown m >> yes you live back there too >> I said yes and I said I'll be up there

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in a minute okay very good okay very good so at the end of the day Um, you know, it's it's important to remain neighborly and if somebody has something that's not aesthetically appealing, I think it it it's not a bad idea to knock on the door and buy them a Coke and uh, you know,

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see if they'll we tried many avenues. >> Yeah. >> To address the mess next door, >> I appreciate your comments. >> Yeah, I appreciate that too. Um, and the other thing is too is you hate to This is just me now. If anybody else has

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comments, you please chime in. But you hate to make a ruling on something because of what the minorities do. What what the because most of the homes in Dennis Point are beautiful. >> Very nice. I mean, that young lady right

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there, my god, I I don't think anybody spends more money on landscaping and seaw walls and all kinds of I mean, we need more people like that. Maybe maybe we can get it to become contagious or something. But I I walk past their place

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a lot and always marvel at and I get it. We live in an area like that. We want people to be to maintain their property. >> Thank you for your comments. >> And after 22 years here in Parker, I'm extremely grateful where I'm at.

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>> Absolutely. >> Thank you for your comments, sir. Appreciate it. >> Yes, ma'am. and uh let our clerk swear you in if you would mind come to the podium here. >> You affirm that all testimony you would

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give today is the truth. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> I'm Linda Guyger. I live at 1326 Dover Road which is just at the same intersection of the Donaldelsson >> beautiful brand new home. You're one of the people who

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>> who brings pride to our neighborhood. Thank you. >> Thank you. Well, thank you. >> Thank you. Beautiful home. >> And that's a >> You had You lost it because of the hurricane, right? >> Oh, yes. Yeah. Lost a lot of things. And I also own but we're currently selling

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4934 Donaldson Road, which is not exactly in front, but across the street from the Chicks property. Okay. >> So, um I agree with all that's been said about the variance. I'm I have to say

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I'm against it because of what you know mostly aesthetics. >> Yeah. >> Especially seeing across the street from that and also as someone pointed out here we don't have six foot fence

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privacy fences along the roadway. I mean you know the major roadways. We don't have that. >> And I just see this as setting a precedent. Yeah. that okay you let this person do it then you have to continue to let whoever asks do that and

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>> actually if it was let me if I can interrupt you for one second >> sure >> that's not true u the we do not have to because this I'm seeing this as a unique situation the intent and I many of these people here I know this gentleman for

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sure helped rewrite the land development rules that are in place right now >> the intent was the six foot fence in front of the homes because these people have a unique situation. I feel like this that's exactly why the the variance

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exists. They simply really want to fence in their side yard and have it be tall enough to be functional for for their dogs. So, it would not be a precedent. For example, if it was directly in front of their home, uh that might be a horse of a different color. So, I just I just

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I don't want to dispute that, but I could tell you there would be added conversation if that were the case, and it's not here. >> Okay. Well, that was another question. I'm still not real clear on exactly how far that is,

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their fence, their proposal for their fence, how far it actually is from the side of the road. >> It would be um we have two requirements for this type of a structure. The main one would be uh what they call right of

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way. >> And that's actually not set by uh by our municipality. It's set by the state. It's and that right away is 50 feet across. So it would be 25 ft from the center of the road. So their fence has

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got to be at least 25 ft from the center of the road in. We're estimating that that road's about 22 to 24 feet wide uh total. So it would likely be 13 feet in from the edge of the road and that has got to remain because it it cannot be in

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the right of way. Right ofways are primarily used for uh things like fire access, new fiber optic, electrical, you know, things of that nature. And and they've they've shown it. They actually spent the money to uh to have this company do a survey. Is it sea level

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surveying? Is that right? And uh it shows the right of way. shows Donaldson Road, the right of way, it would be 13 feet approximately from the edge of the road further into the yard. >> Okay. >> So, that you can't The only thing that's

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allowed onto that component would be mailboxes uh and would be mailboxes and driveways. Otherwise, everybody's drive would have to end shy of the road. But structures like, you know, dwellings and fences and out, you know, carports have

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got to abide by that right of way. >> Okay. Well, I guess I I really would appreciate actually more than 13 feet because I don't want to drive down the road and see a long and they have a big lot >> and see a long expansive six foot

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privacy fence. >> And and one other comment too, just to not to change your mind or anything like that, but we were talking a little bit about if you go to uh posh neighborhoods uh like like in in South Florida um

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whether you're talking about Naples or you're talking about um uh you know Golf Port or other areas, those communities do allow uh for privacy fences directly in front of the home and where you generally see like

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lots of foliage and you don't you can't even see the house. So, it's not necessarily just because you can have a structure there uh degrading to the neighborhood. It depends on what you do with it. Now, granted, many of those fences are beautiful. They're sometimes

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made out of stone and other, you know, iron and things of that nature. >> So, I'm just not buying the concept that a fence has to be ugly. I can tell you for years I used to used to drive from where we live today, right down the street from you, Miss Gger, >> to the old airport. And if you've ever

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flown out of that airport, what did you see? You saw a whole bunch of house trailers on the left hand side of the road on Airport Road, right? And do you know what they did that improved that drive significantly? Somebody erected about a six or an eight foot white uh

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PVC fence all the way down that that road and it significantly improved uh that drive. >> So I'm not buying the concept that offense is always a bad thing and it detracts from

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the beauty. No, it doesn't have to. Absolutely doesn't have to. >> But I agree with you. I mean, we'll we'll ask these folks to keep it maintained. Uh, but they live I mean, they they moved into a neighborhood and I'm hoping they'll they'll have pride of ownership and want to keep it looking nice.

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>> You said it was going to be back. >> Yes, sir. There's actually a tree right at the right. So it'll probably be more along the lines of 15. >> So there you go, Miss Ger. >> It'll be it'll be closer than 15 or 16 feet off the road is what he's saying because he doesn't he doesn't want to

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interfere with a large tree that happens to be there. >> Behind this, >> Mark, to add to what you were saying, >> I have Google online. They have where their house is. There's another property right next to them. And

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then the other property next to that, a house away has the exact same setup that they're >> I think it's probably a 5 foot, but it looks actually some plants in front of it. They put a little walkway out to the

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road. And when you speak on safety and having kids, >> the safer thing to do is play. >> I agree. I agree. And if it's really I mean the whole concept of the 4ft fence was about aesthetics. Uh they're going to build it off the road. It's really not front of

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their home. >> Uh and like I say, I kind of feel like it's right in alignment for why this variance exists. >> Exactly. >> My question had the lots not been combined and this was just real estate. Could you have fenced it in?

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>> Yes. >> Without restrictions? Yeah. >> Just curious. I'm just asking for the safe argument >> without a structure on the second line. >> No, they don't they don't what they that that rule was specifically, as a matter of fact, I

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think Terry and I worked on that. That specifically had to do with garages and sheds, but not a fence. Uh because there's a lot of people that own land and they still want to protect that property against dumping and other intrusion. Uh homeless people camping

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out in their yard. Yeah, we we we do allow fences in in those areas. Matter of fact, there's a couple of there are a couple of places even in Donaldson Point where there's a fence and no home. Um and and that makes and that makes good sense. >> Just for the sake of argument, just to

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let y'all know, had they not combined that lot and it was just raw land, they could fence it all the way up to the 20 foot line without any restriction. So the fact that they did combine it and they are finding a nice middle ground um

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I think should be taken into consideration because if they did not combine it it was just a lot they could fence it six foot high all the way out >> and Miss Guyer is this the first time you you 25 foot setback but otherwise Yeah. >> Now if they ever built a home on it then it would be cons they'd have to come

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before a variance but uh but that would be different. Have you met the checks here as well? Have you met them before? Actually, no. >> Well, now is an opportunity. I mean, >> yes. >> Did I hear you were former military? Is that what I'm hearing? So, >> active military. Well, thank you for your service. You know, upstanding

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people concerned about, you know, u I mean, I wouldn't have a problem with knocking on their door someday and say, "Hey, your fence needs to be stained or painted or or or maybe put some shrubs in front of it." You know, it's just >> Sure. >> But but I thank you. You built a beautiful home. Thank you for uh for

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improving the neighborhood. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Mrs. Chick, if you'll come back to the podium. >> So, um any additional questions by the commissioners? Okay, ladies and

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>> mine, too. >> Thank you. Very good. Um madam clerk, any any questions that you have for the applicants? Okay. So, we have an option here, guys. Uh, and, uh, the option is that we send it to the governing board with an outright approval, approval with

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conditions, or a denial. So, uh, I will ask for a motion >> before I do have one more comment. >> Yes, please. >> Would it be something that if it becomes um something that maybe that you feel is would be like to have a children and play sign in the area or something like

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that? Um, >> that that might be We have our public works guy. >> Yeah. Put out there. >> You can get those on Amazon or the public works put children at play down this road area. People are cognizant of what's >> we do have four young kids next to us

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and then at the opposite end of the road. I know there's some additional two >> promoting family space. Maybe that would on the road. >> Very good. >> Very good. And just so you know, once the variance is granted by the governing board, and the governing board is is the one that will have to give the final

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say, but once they do that, uh then that variance remains with that property uh for the life of the property. >> Okay. All right. So, I'll ask for a uh I'll ask for a motion, please. >> I'd like to make a motion to approve. >> Very good. Can I get a second?

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>> I'll second. >> Madam Clerk, can I get a vote, please? >> Okay. >> Mr. Merritt? >> Yes. and Paul Ring. Yes, >> Mr. Striker. >> Yeah. >> Chairman Rega. >> Yes. So, thank you for improving the

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neighborhood and thank you for being cognizant of the other neighbors uh you know, their concerns about aesthetics. I mean, but I mean I know you guys moved into a nice neighborhood. I know you'll keep it keep it looking good and uh maybe plant some foliage or something in

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front of it to even improve it even a little bit more. >> Very good. Now, um, Madame Clerk, uh, so they do have to come before the governing board. So, uh, do we know when they'll be able to do that? >> Um, our next meeting is, um, on the

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19th. >> Okay. So, on the 19th then, uh, so you'll come before them. Uh, they are structured very similar to ours, only it's the mayor and then four council members. Uh, and they'll probably ask you to do the same thing. That will be a

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public hearing as well. So you'll be sworn back in and then any anybody that chooses to comment beyond that as well will or or comments don't always have to be negative. You may have neighbors that come before us and say things like knowing that they're aesthetic concerns that say, "Hey, I know these people.

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They want to they want to keep a nice you both pro and con." So you know, just to let you know that that's an option for you as well. >> All right. Very good. Well, thank you. Thanks and and thanks for improving the neighborhood. vote against that when I got here.

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>> Yeah, the way the way that it's worded, it just it sounds different than what it is. >> Appreciate it. >> Thank you very much. >> We appreciate you. Thank you very much. Okay. And then um I'll just uh I know that Terry's got some time constraints, so we're going to roll up very quickly

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here. So, uh our public's work director just asked that we all look into uh Senate Bill 48. Uh it has to do with uh mandates uh allowing ADUs or accessory dwelling units. Our current land development rules do not allow them uh

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to be in place. Since Tony's not here today, uh I'll ask that you go ahead and research that. We have got to do something by December 1st of 2026. It's mandated by the state and that may be simply removing uh the restriction

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against auxiliary dwelling units. All right. All right. The research I've done, I feel like that's what they're >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Thank you for doing that research. Kyle, >> will you text us that? >> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolute memory. >> Yes. Or can I ask you to do that just so

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there's no sunshine? I don't because we're discussing it right now. I don't think there's any issues relating to >> sunshine rules. But I'll ask that >> Senate Bill 4en.

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Very good. Terry, uh, anything that you'd like to address the rest of the group? >> Not that I can think of. Very good. And anything you'd like to unad. >> Commissioner Merritt, anything that you'd like to discuss with us? Um, quickly, where did we land on the

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storage or the outside storage? >> I could uh Did we We blew through some things. Okay, so we've got Rich uh Rich is coming up with a draft regarding the the the minimum minimum structures, storage of food trucks. Uh we went ahead

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and said that there were ample things within the LDR. Uh sideyard, rear yard. Uh let's see. like sheds and things. >> Yes, that's that's Rich is going to do that. Oh, that's so that's what your question was.

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>> Rich is is going to forge that language. He's a logistics guy uh and involved in the military and probably heavily involved in what's going on overseas right now. So, wasn't able to get to that yet, but he I think he'll be at the next meeting.

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>> I I think that that may uh come into play with with what they're trying to do with being able to build other other things on your lot without having to. So that may be something we need to look into with the Senate bill as well.

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>> Yeah. >> Because I think it could play into that and after reading I do feel that what we have is I think that you know we anything over 120 ft has to go to the city for approval. But we still need to

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to be able to let people build things on their like you said before. >> Yeah. And be able to let people build you know they want a shed on their yard. Now I think definitely saying you know after four sheds after two sheds whatever we put a I would rather see a

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limit on the structure number than I would to say that every time you want to build something on your lot whether it's a fire pit or a shed or put plants in you have to go to the That's a problem. We're getting 10 and 15 sheds >> and that is an issue. >> Aren't you going to run into the

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imperous surface issue at that point? >> You would. >> And I suppose if you're putting water and sewer in those sheds, that would be a red flag. >> If you have permission, you will. >> That is very true. >> Well, right now you can't live in like an accessory unit like that. It's not a

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dwelling unit. But you're right. Uh in a in a residential low density residential area, you can only have 4% So you've got an acre only 4/10en of that acre can be and that includes driveways and the home the footprint of the home. >> It's already in the LDR.

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>> It's already in the LDR. And so I feel like changing it is I think we still need to give the city people who live in the city the availability on their >> you know I'm glad you brought that up because that was my initial comments to

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Tony while he was here and he was saying that there would be no oversight on it. It was just going to make sure that the shed was going to be placed uh like for example it wouldn't be about fire pits or it would just be structures. It either be like decks or or sheds. But

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bring that comment up because if we we all are human, we all have the opportunity to change our minds. If we feel like that's too intrusive to our rights to privacy and knowing that the state is going strongly in the direction

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of personal property rights, that might be a very appropriate thing to do and say. And we have a lot of rules out there. You can't cut down a, you know, a tree if it's over 15 inches, 54 inches above the base. We have the, you know, to your point and the issue regarding

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impervious uh area. There's a lot of rules already out there. Maybe this was just something Tony was throwing at us, but but if we all say, "Look, we're not recommending additional oversight in that area because it infringes too much into your rights to privacy." Maybe

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that's >> because it gets into also you Okay, someone goes to the city. What if the city gives them an answer and they're like, "No, we're not going to do that." You know, and so yeah, it does affect how enforceable would that be? Because

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>> if it's enforceable, then it is >> it's not a recommendation, you know what I mean? And so I think that certainly if someone wants to go to the city and ask them, they they should have that ability. But at the same time, if it's just a recommendation, it should be

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maybe notification. Hey, if you want us to check for that, you know, if you want us to look and see the best spot, then we're happy to do it. But, you know, >> well, I'm going to ask that you bring it up with that same level of fervor at at the next meeting, honestly. Uh, because

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it will stimulate, you know, our brains are maybe thinking more about personal property rights. Uh and I don't I asked very specifically >> how big is this problem because the one thing I never want to do is write new new statutes or new legislation for a

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problem we don't have. >> So I asked the problem you remember what the answer was. Donna told us it's just a couple of people. So okay so are we creating a rule that's going to impact 4,800 people in the city because a couple of people have 30 sheds. I don't

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know if we want to do that. I'm all for putting a number of sheds. You can put two sheds and then after that you get approval or two sheds per half acre and then after that you get approval. But I think telling someone, you know, where they can put their shoot

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fence and all those sheds are behind the fence, we don't know how many. >> Well, then that maybe that's okay. >> They couldn't get to see >> how much imperous soil was. Just a personal comment from from me. I know that every one of you guys does a lot of

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studying before you get here and people don't realize that. So, thank you for all of your This is all voluntary work and I know most many of you still have professions that you're still embarked in. So, thank you for that. >> Thank you. Well, even though Ann's retired, she still does a lot of stuff

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and I know you're still actively >> are professional trollers on Facebook. >> I'm going to close the meeting. Thank you everybody. Thank you.