ladies and gentlemen we're going to bring the meeting to order thank you for joining us here at the Parker planning meeting Terry can uh I ask you to do our invocation please outstanding our heavenly father we thank you for this day you've given us we
thank you for the country we live in the state we live in and the city we live in we pray that the decisions we make here today will be in the interest of all those and more than that Lord we ask that they will be somehow used to glorify you we pray this in Jesus name
amen amen Al pledge of allegiance to of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liy and
justice for all thank you madam clerk will you do a r call please absolutely uh Mr Hall here Mr Merritt here M powering here Mr Striker here and chairman Ria here thank you ladies and gentlemen thank you for your
continued participation and what goes on here in the city uh today we're going to ask our commissioners to nominate and vote uh on a vice chair uh we're then going to go ahead and review an application to expand some slips at Pier 98 uh moving from 27 to 47 slips and I
understand that there's probably going to be some dredging uh going on there as well and then lastly we're going to have a we've got a request uh to take two partials of land and then split them into into four partials um at this time we're going to
review uh our January meeting all right uh we'll review the minutes has everybody had an opportunity to to do that uh and then we'll do as we'll take some items from the audience at after that okay let's go ahead and uh let's go ahead
and look for a uh everybody had a chance to look at the minutes okay thank make motion very good can I get a second please very good Madam clerk can we get a a vote please absolutely Mr Hall yes Mr Meritt yes Miss power yes Mr Striker
yes chairman R yes and thank you that's a real nice summary that you put together it looks exceptionally good very good okay ladies and gentlemen um there are times when uh the chair uh is has to
be absent so um our uh Credo here is that we have a Vice chair uh our uh prior Vice chair uh is no longer with us so I've asked our commissioners to nominate uh a uh a vice chair and then
what I'll look for is a nomination a second and then a vote any ideas I'd like to nominate Mr Striker very good very good Terry are you willing to be the our vice chair do that yes very good can I get a second then I'll second that
very good Madame clerk can we get a vote please absolutely Mr Hall yes Mr Merritt yes Miss powering yes Mr sh yes and chairman R absolutely Terry congratulations Tok you yay all right very
good Mr buckolz can we ask you to come on up uh we probably have a couple of questions here for you so ladies and gentlemen this this is an application for a shoreline construction and dredging permit there's no dredging no dredging isn't that interesting uh okay
I saw that here so if I may sorry but you said 20 it's 22 boats from 22 to 42 not from 20 whatever you said so okay all right well we we just had that's okay uh so so we're going
from 22 to 40 42 so it's just an increase of 20 slips yes okay and well actually I'm sorry yeah actually we're g to no it's actually we have 22 slips we're going to lose six of those but
we're going to put in 26 new ones so it's a net gain of 20 slips yes sir yeah we saw that so here's what I think your your engineers put together this summary for us and here's what they say just so that we're all clear so you're you've
got 27 uh new slips for a total of 47 slips and then ultimately um you are going to you're going to remove some of them and making way for the new slip to be put into okay and um so do we have
any questions for Mr buckolz I've got one I don't know if it belongs here but I can ask it sure please do I'm not familiar but with how marinas work I'm familiar with RV camping and I know we look at
Power Water and Sewage M make sure we have those things how does that work at a marine well we don't have sewage and we have power a dock we don't you know Parker and we don't allow we don't rather Parker did not allow live boards right so there's very little uh
Power and Water they're they're you know boats some of the people won't come down to their boat for once in two months you know summertime they'll come more often so there's very there's not hardly any impact on water or sewer you have water
to each slip and power power to each slip well we have power between slips so if somebody needs it or yes okay and I think the state has identified a Liv board is no more than five consecutive days or no more than 10
days per month and I think that that's the requirement well we we don't yeah we let people come on a weekend if they're coming down and do something like that exactly if I may reference something in the ldr um it says water dependent development Marina
specifically all new expanded or red develop marinas shall and it lists a whole Litany of things and number seven is have adequate sewage treatment facilities to serve the anticipated volume of waste and that's in yes
anticipated volume of waste and and I think it's because Buck falls under the no Li boards policy and the state says if you don't have Li boards uh in in a marina then ultimately you do not require uh that that sewage pump out
mechanism they do have uh access to pump out at other marinas I think when the city marina was was available there was a pump out there I know that there is one at um the old Marriott which is what uh
what's that one there now Bayo Marina exactly there are pump outs elsewhere so if they if they oftentimes get gas or or diesel at other locations that's generally when when they'll also pump out you know but um I I didn't see that
designation in here it does not say anything in this part I just read about being exempt if they don't have liver boards it it again 5.3.2 specifically uh now below that 5.3.4 marinas with fueling facilities uh
will provide pump out facilities at at each fuel dock period so I I assume that's pump out for fuel I don't know if it's fuel or pump out would be forage and we don't offer it we don't have okay commercial marinas and those with li board it does say she provide uh and
prohibit inappropriate sewage pump out so yeah I'm I'm not seeing a a exemption for right I'm not reading that but I and it interesting enough there are a state law that also defines that uh you cannot
have a rule in a municipality more stringent than their own so uh the state law being that you only require that pump out if it's going to be live aboard uh so if that is not appropriately uh designated or properly written within
our own ldrs it's a good catch and and it and it needs to be corrected okay because in other words Parker can't say that uh that our rules here to have a Marine in the municipality is more stringent than the than the state laws we can be less but we can't be more
stringent even if our given the geography of where we are and and not having adequate water flow to disperse U folks that don't abide by the rules the fact that we're sort of at an
end of a road there compounds a problem if it isn't and it this also says that and shall provide uh and prohibit inappropriate sewage pump out so what what will be in place to prohibit and enforce illegal dumping I think signage
is is uh is necessary but also signage each of the yacht manufacturers have a requirement to put the uh to to put it so that you cannot dump uh I mean I think for the last 25 years you can't have a boat that'll dump directly
overboard it's going to you've either got to have that locked you've got to have that there used to be a petcock that would either send it to the tank or send it you know overboard and you had to be what f 10 miles from 10 miles 10 miles in federal waters in order to do
that have a murator pump and all that sort of thing uh but uh but good catch because if it is in the ldrs then it's something that we probably need to revisit because the rule within the state they have sort of Supremacy guidelines which prevent us from having
more stringent rules than than their own okay yeah good questions though and in our and in our case I may in our in our rule number one we've been there for three years and never one time of experienced an issue and number two if we had an issue like that they would be ask they would be removed because that
wouldn't be Toler for us no matter what well and the other thing too is the fines are exorbitant uh I mean if you're pumping if you're pumping raw sewage into a bay like this they're clear and everybody knows you're not supposed to do that and most marinos have that stuff
posted uh and uh the fines are are enormous so hopefully we don't have any Bone Heads doing that because that just destroys the environment for everybody but the the good news is uh the the rules and the state laws specifically identif ify that you don't require a
pump out if you don't if you don't allow Li boards and those marinas that do allow Li boards uh do have to have those pump outs and that's generally where you go in order to pump out those you know those tanks okay thank you or you just walk up to the the restaurant and have a
my thae and and uh enjoy bucks bathroom up there AB we have we have outdoor restrooms for the boats yeah there you go that's exactly right and they all have combinations to it so they can get into a 24 hour today yes sir one thing that uh that is amazing to me is how
much regulation has to go uh through so Art Construction is the company that's uh that that's going to be taking care of this uh and and I see that the Florida Department of En Environmental Protection is overseeing I mean that's that's a requirement okay this is this
is all from them and of course the Army Corps of Engineers and there's Bay County that has to issue a permit uh then there's a submerged land authorization and it I know that they once the project is approved is when they go ahead and and provide that so uh
do they require that submer yeah I guess you would have to you already for the for the new yep extension and then of course there's the underwater land lace and then there's the Florida coastal zone Management program that is has to be in place imagining your contractor is
going to take care of that and then there's a water quality certification turbidity screens that go in the water to make sure that uh whatever you know poles are putting into the ground aren going to exceed a certain turbidity I think it's like 29 something like that okay and then of
course there's the standard vanity conditions that that would apply and apparently the the work this is all state stuff so the if they see a manatee within 50 feet of the construction zone they have to immediately stop until till the manatee moves along so there's eight
things eight permits and I know you don't have to require it's smaller than a 10 maker uh build is that right yes that that that allows the state to make the decision independently of the feds uh so that that's a good thing so um do
we have any other questions for for buck about this project I had a question might be back to us but I see the permit says approval for shine construction and dredging permit but I also see on number 38 for the for the document it says no drudging permitted if we recommend this
to city council um are we recommending that it's shorline construction and the dredging even though he's not he said he said he's not asking for that or let me just ask angry this because uh I saw that too and and even their own engineer said no dredging that's in the paperwork that no
dredging would take place uh but I I only read it because it says application for Shoreland construction and dredging permit yeah uh and I thought and I know you've got one slip that's silted in and you're saying it's nonusable I would think that if you were going to do dredging then you would have dredged
that one and because you're not then ultimately uh that would indicate that no dredging so when this goes to uh Council the final review I think we have to remove the dredging permit because they're expanding the number of slips but there's not going to be any
dredging and there's not going to be a dredging permit okay okay right perfect okay I missing anything guys okay well it looks like every permit uh has been either applied for or
gotten um so Buck do you have any questions for us no sir all right one other thing I did find one inconsistency um I think your project engineer identifies that this is a class two Florida Waterway it's both a class
two and a class three but you reference it class three later on class two is like shellfish and then you don't need to know that I'm sure they'll take care of that um um okay if we have no other questions what I would recommend is that we get a
motion on the floor for either approval approval with conditions or denial uh if approval or approval with conditions that include that we identify that this particular application does not include dredging and the applicant knows that it was just sort of a something that came
up um and that also that all permits that we identified those eight FD Army Corp of engineer Bay County which I think you already have the Bay County uh permit it looks like I thought I saw it in here somewh I got so many paper because I paid somebody to handle this
for us and then the suburb land authorization my pay grade I got you and then Florida coastal zone Management program water quality they're going to put T what they call turbidity screens in Buck just so that you'll know and when the turbidity gets above they have a measurement of 29 then they have to
stop until it settles back down and then continue again just because it's a Class 2 Waterway which shellfish live there so what happens is when you kick up too much silt it harms the you know the wildlife so they'll slow down and then the last one is just the manate which we
identifi but it looks like that they already have all that stuff so I'll ask for a Mr Rego one more question please please U will you have a a boat ramp facility for people launching boats and removing their boats and okay where will they where will you recommend they go
for that well right at the pier where you the new place you guys built at the park down there would where people go uh when when people leas spaces from us they're already in the water I don't know where they necessarily launch from got you okay thank you Mr too even the standard conditions
that we put in every development order very good so the motion would include standard conditions being added in any development order along with uh it be corrected that there is no dredging that will take place as part of this project
and that all of the State uh and federal permits I know the Army Corps of Engineers Federal and I I think everything else is State be in place conditions within those permit would also apply very good very good so I'll ask for a motion uh
approval approval with conditions or denial make a motion we approve this forward it for or forward a recommendation for approval to the council with standard conditions striking the very good so we have a motion on the
floor for approval striking the dredging piece and that all standard conditions and all permits are are gotten prior to uh development I have a second a second Madam clerk can we get a uh a vote please Perfect Mr Hall yes Mr Merritt
yes M powering yes Mr Striker yes and chairman R yes and thanks uh did you ever get get that uh uh you know the bait station or everything out at the the old the the new pier that got put in is that all in place yet um the uh Power is supposed to be done in about 10 days
and the equipment the vending machines are supposed to be here in about 25 days outstanding and so it should be done our goal is certainly to have it done as fast as we can but it should be done by not later in the second week in March maybe sooner outstanding so well these
new peers are going to be beautiful can I can I mention say one thing here that that might someday save a lot of headaches for somebody um for us to get to the point to submit the and all that it we spent about $25,000 just you know on the water
testing and all the things that go with that it would seem to me that it would make sense that if you if you folks did your part before those permits were were put in place because it'd be a mess if came in here somebody spent $25,000 to
do it and then they got turned down yeah you know so it's just it's and a little bits like the cards before the horse let me let me let me tap Mr Sloan's uh mind here for a second uh I think we can review an application prior to all the
permits being in place but just have to put the condition that all permits be in place before construction begins is that not right well a few years ago they changed the law on that you it used to be what Mr B Buck is saying that the
city was the last one to see it but the way it's written now you you technically can't make the the obtaining of the permits a condition to the issuance of the city permit so theoretically you can do it at an earlier time you could okay
so I'm just mentioning that well I think he just answered you Buck it sounds like we could have done it but then we would have to put the condition on it that all those permits would have to be in place before construction could begin yeah well it's just when I I came in to apply they said we can't do anything until you
get the D permits and so that was it was just a you know I could just yeah see you know we've been we we don't we believe we've never made any unreasonable requests and never expect any problem but someday there could be something nobody thought about
and somebody's bent $25,000 just to just to get to this meeting that's a heck of an investment yeah and of course uh we're an advisory councel but the uh Council members get a chance to look at this vote and you had a unanimous yes vote so they'll look at that uh for
their final uh decision they're the governing body that ultimately will make the final uh Choice as long as that but I'm just saying sometime there might be something you know ours is pretty simple but down the road I mean that's a lot of money to spend to be subject to possibly
just oh somebody didn't think of something and $25,000 went down to drain absolutely thank you all no no thank you sir appreciate what you're doing for Parker sir we we love this place it's a great City great little heidy hole here all
right so the next uh thing on the docket here is an application for a parcel split uh this uh do we have somebody uh here representing that that group would you state your name sir uh James McConnell I'm the owner of the property on uh the cold Drive Mr McConnell okay
very good and can I ask just a a couple of questions here um it said building two houses on it so this is going to be you have two lots and you're splitting each lot one time right so now you'll have four Lots is that what we're doing
uh no okay so let me let me give you the backstory so when I bought it it's one parcel and uh if you look at the survey that's probably what you're looking at you'll see that the adjacent Parcels are all split I I mean are you know already
you know obviously are split because they have houses on them so when I bought this one I just you assumed that you know you just extend the lot lines into my property and you know you got four Lots next to each other just like you already do yes sir but but when I came last year they said I couldn't do
that um without um it would be a probably they were thinking it would be a subdivision at that point yes that's right that's right that's right so which of the the which parel do you own of this on this survey the uh highlighted one okay well
that's that looks like four separate Lots well it okay it's it's four separate Lots on the survey because I asked the surveyor to separate it into four separate lots that match the adjacent Lots okay so when I brought it here the last time that it made sense
okay and so that's why it has four Lots on there okay but it started at one track yes it started with one one lot yeah okay is it still one track yes that's why I'm here yeah that's right I was confused
about three or more right so so this this is one one track and we're and at this time we're asking for it to be divided into partial one two three and four no just one and two just one and two if you look closely there's a line
deline I'm sorry that that was a yeah you're right there's I deleted but that was very that wasn't very professional but uh uh so but anyways I let me just finish here real quick um I may need to table this to the next meeting if that's
possible here's why um I and believe it or not just a few hours ago someone made me aware that if and you if I'm wrong saying something that's not right you don't let need to let me finish stop me in mid sentence but they said if it was platted prior to 1972 it didn't fall
under that particular thing that makes you do something else uh makes you have uh subdivision you know requirements or something like that um and that that's what I was told I don't know if that's true that's that's L literally just a
couple hours ago so so I went on uh and and found on the the wh Parker plats that um that has several uh Lots in Parker now I haven't scoured it and found that exact parcel but it looks
like most of them are 75 foot which still wouldn't give me four lots that I want it would but it would give me three so that's why I'm saying if I can table this till uh till next time and and maybe give me a little more time to yeah unless unless
somebody here is a subject matter expert and they already know I mean I'm asking literally it was two hours ago I that that I was told this let me look at real fast uh so so this is one large parcel today that's correct and you want to separate
it into one and then two and then and then three and four would still remain one one half acre approximately um you wants to take the whole thing and separate it into two lots well okay okay so again prior
to two instead I I would love to do four if you guys said go for it well I'd love to well you can except then you fall under a different exactly where fall into a different set of of rules which turns it into a subdivision right uh and then you just have to familiarize
yourself with what that is it's not that you can't it's just that it become we can't do it cost effectively well I'm not sure it wouldn't be cost effective I would just I would just go through what it means in the city of Parker to abide by the rules
being under a subdivision as opposed to just a simple lot split and building two single family homes sure sure okay um so so I I mean and again I don't know I'm asking so it so all the so it's already a subdivision there that was already done that way the first time is that
what you're saying in other words the adj lot there are lots on the plat of the wh Parker plat uh but without seeing the plat I don't know right okay got you and that's what I got to find that's what I got to find I got you so there's
not enough information for me to say yes or no you're you're doing two or four whatever was there to and that's what I thought that's why I was asking if we can if we can table it till till the next meeting because if I can get if if
if if the 75 foot holds true to this particular parcel Then I then I can I know I can get three lots tell me about what what you're talking about 75 ft well it just on the on the uh on the some of the parcels on the wh Parker plat um and these are old ones these are
prior to 1972 again and I'm not trying to take up you guys' time with last listen we're here for you sir you know that's why I I would table next time tell me about the 75 ft uh well that's the wh Parker plat uh size of these Lots
75 ft um the only requirement we have is that and this is low density residential is that right low density residential we know pretty sure what's the address cuz I don't see the address on here yeah there's no address for some Reas not
yeah it's right off of Nicole Drive yeah okay let's let's operate based on the concept that it's uh low density residential area I think what you might be thinking about is 7500 Square F feet would be the smallest lot you could have
however and you're right that's what it says but this is 75 ft is what it says not 7500 75 ft with the arrows right and it could be 75t narrow but you need to have it and there's both density rules
and size limits it needs to meet both essentially so but here's how that could happen so right now in in Parker if you have one acre of of land you can segregate that into five different single family homes and if you do the
math on it uh an acre is a little over 43,000 Square ft I think it's 43,560 divide that by five you come up to about 87 88 8,800 sare ft so people are saying well how can you have that rule and then have the minimum 7500 you can take for
example that acre of land and and make lots one two three and four bigger but the fifth the last lot has got to be at least 7500 Square F feet that way you're not violating the density Rule and you're not violating the minimum lot
size rule makes sense so in terms of subdivisions because there's already a road there there's not a need for you to put a road in but the subdivision rules do say other things that uh we prefer you know sidewalks uh there there are certain things that you have to do in
order to uh abide by the subdivision rules sure if it's just and here's the other thing you got to consider so if this is one large parcel of land and you're just going to split it in two so you got what about an acre there right now toal acre I'm not looks like each
one's like25 so if each one's 25 split into four 44,000 ft okay so you've got yeah so the the situation here is if you just split it in two uh and then you've got parcel one and two is one parcel and
then parcel two and three is the second parcel you can do that however if you're going to split parcel one and two as depicted in your diagram here that's still a subdivision because partial three and four become the third lot gotcha so what You' have to do is then
abide by the subdivision rules right so you can take this one acre slightly less than one acre lot cut it in half and you've got two single family homes but if you separate it into two and then still leave a half acre out there you still have to because the rules don't say it's about building the homes it's
about when you divide it then it becomes a subdivision right and and and I was told and I don't know this is true I have no clue uh that that subdivision rule that you're referencing that if the property was platted prior to 1972 that it's grandfathered in and that
rule does not apply that's what I was told I have no idea that's true or not that is incorrect because the uh the uh Land Development rules were Rewritten in 2022 and then and then some additions they were originally written in 1990 oh
in 1990 okay one so as of that point in time that that requirement came into uh into the Land Development regulation so there's no Grandfather Clause at all one and one point in time it was actually two or more if you if you actually split
it two gotta I remember you tell I think you told me that last time so um so that's been in there for what 34 five years so uh the timing of the plat is not the issue the plat may actually be
segregated already in to lots and if you own four Lots as depicted on the plat then you may not even have to to do a lot split to do what you're trying to do right so I need to see uh the city needs to see the plat the city needs to see
your deed exactly see how how the property was deeded to you y and that's why you know that's why I was asking for a continuation yeah absolutely or just just table it we're just trying to provide sure sure you know what the rules are
I'll give you better paperwork but you used the words earlier that if it was going to be a subdivision I couldn't do it I just need you to know that's not right you can do it you just have to buy you have to then follow certain different rules you I shouldn't say I couldn't do it I I I it's not cost effective to do it okay what I what I
should have said yeah I mean and and quite frankly two one half acre lots with nicer homes on it might you know from a compensation standpoint I just trying to match the neighborhood I guess you know that's all just do what they are everybody else has already done question Mr R is there a reason that
he'd have to follow the this grid line could he literally just cut it into thirds evenly on a different grd or do you have to stay by this right no I could cut it into thirds evenly yeah say that way rather than following these lines and you talked about one two and then grouping three and four what if he just took away the center lines there
and had an option absolutely because I put those lines there those lines weren't there he was just it looks to me like if you look at one lot two lot three and lot four he he was just he was matching the grid that was already there
right you know you can have a you can I mean Terry may have like three or four acres of land right next to somebody he's got one there's nothing that you know nothing 7500 foot we do and the density remember the density rule has has got to come into play now
here here's where the if you had two Parcels of land a parcel of land where it was 1, 1500 uh uh I'm sorry 15,000 square ft you can't divide that in half
because you violate the density rule you got to have at least uh you know 04 acres to divide it in half and you do you've got almost almost a full acre right but then you're right you would have to follow you you would have to
then you know follow the subdivision rules right okay yeah like I said I'll I'll so what I'll look for it looks like Mr McConnell wants to go ahead and table this I'll look for a motion to table it until he uh you know completes his
research uh and then would' like to bring it back before us that's to do that thank you can I get a second please second can I get a please absolutely Mr Hall yes Mr Merritt yes M powering yes Mr Striker
yes and chairman R yes thanks Mr Mcall appreciate being very straightforward with us very good um Terry anything uh anything from from you that you'd like to discuss with
us not that I can think of right now very good and any anything that you've got uh that you'd like to discuss with us not that I can think of I just need to become more familiar with the oh I do have one thing I brought this up before
there is a sign up in front of in tendle Federal Credit Union welcome to Parker no semis allowed s e m apostrophe s I'd like to make sure we use the English language correctly in Parker I saw that
and I chle what Terry's talking about in case you haven't studied English is that that's possessive possessive and uh yeah the semi isn't possessive it's just plural very good excellent anything that you'd like to discuss
are we behav ourselves okay maybe Terry gets out of line a little bit okay very good can that apostrophe Beed Mr SLO anything that we need to be aware of go ahead do it Terry Mr Merritt anything you'd like to discuss with the group I'm good thank you Mr Hall I'm good very
good just one one little reminder uh and I'm kind of glad that um an put it in our ear uh sometime in March is when the ethics the four hours ethics training so if you have already done that go to that that Florida website uh and uh take it
you don't have to do it all at once just have to get it done and then it's officially completed when you uh write an email to ingred telling her that you've completed it's on on your honor System uh but it's it's pretty good stuff I mean it's it's about ethics and
then it's about uh you know like public meetings and how to con how they're conducted notifications things of that nature uh so if you haven't already done it please please go ahead and and take care of that that very good now I missed an important aspect on the agenda and
that was uh public uh if anybody from the public wanted to address the Planning Group is there anybody out there that wanted to say anything to us I'll kind of do it backwards but uh very good very good well I'll go ahead and close the meeting down thank you everybody and congratulations Terry