track thing this material right here okay how's your clock look on time still I just fell over a chair
okay very good good evening everybody and welcome to the city of Parker council meeting because a lot of you are new here tonight I want to make you aware that this entire room is recorded and videotaped uh it's done for the record anyway for anybody please stand uh call order
Mr Chapel got right here yeah yeah I'm sorry you're going to do the flag go ahead okay father we so thankful that we can call on you and in time and ask you for your wisdom your guidance and Direction tonight we ask you to come in this room God and be our wisdom our guidance and Direction God let our words be acceptable as we give them tonight be with us now and to thee we give the praise and honor for this in Jesus name we pray amen brother chap I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stand one nation under God indivisible Li and justice for allbody please be seated before we start our meeting tonight may you call the rooll please ma'am certainly Miss bar here m
here Mr Chapel here Mr Haney here mayor KY yes here before we start our meeting tonight Mr SLO would like the floor floor is yours sir thank you mayor uh one of the items that'll be uh the first item on the agenda I just wanted to remind the council that this will be a quasy Judicial proceeding in that proceeding uh you will have individuals that will be sworn and testify before you uh and based upon the comments and the
uh record which we will go into at the time uh you'll have all of that to make your decision on whether or not to issue a development permit on the application that is pending the application is an application from December 19 2024 it it is a new application from that date it is you're not it has nothing to do with the old application the old application will be superseded by your decision tonight so as you move forward with the Quasi
judicial proceeding the first thing that you would want to do would make a make a disclosure on the record whether you've had any Direct Communications with the applicant uh since the filing of the application anybody have any Direct Communications with the applicant okay there appear to be none so mayor you would want to identify all the witnesses that every witness is going to testify we please stand take your oath
nobody else we going to do this once okay Madam clerk do you swear and affirm the testimony you were going to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes thank you ladies and gentlemen appreciate it for uh for purposes of the record mayor you have a large uh stack of documents in front of you that includes the application from December uh 19 of 2024 sir in there it
includes the recommendation from the uh City's Planning Commission the City Planning Commission heard this on February the 4th and made the recommendations that are contained in that document you also have various iterations of the engineering uh uh reports that have come from your engineer uh all of those uh reports I believe they're may be five of
them um are in the record you also have all of the documents that were before the Planning Commission on the fourth uh in the record would also be the uh the video from the Planning Commission meeting correct and tonight if if there's any further proceeding correct would include the record from tonight in addition you have been presented with various documents the first one uh being
a three-page document with city council meeting tonight at the top that would be in the record you also have a another packet which is dated at the bottom dated today uh which attaches to it um an application for development permit um that is not the one that's being considered tonight and a small note on
top and then you also have a large binder which has been presented to you just immediately before this meeting which uh obviously Mr Parker are you in the room time to read you gave the clerk a document is it prudent to this what we're about to hear do not that's what you're holding Mr SL it was given to me as it applied if that's doesn't apply then that would not
be a part of the record that would be under um items from the audience I would think so uh at this point in time mayor uh I recommend that you go ahead and allow the applicant to come and testify and then anyone in the audience that wants to cross-examine the applicant can do that so we're going to go out of sequence of our agenda then that's what you're telling me right we're going to jump from one to two no sir this is this is one approval of the minut is one okay
all right so um you can go go ahead and do that mayor I was down to the substantive sub okay uh first regular agenda item is the approval of the minutes in your package item one I will make a motion to approve December 17th December 20th 4 pm December 20th at 501 December 27th January 7th 2025 good we a motion we have a second Madam Court okay Miss Barrow yes Miss
bord yes Mr Chapel Mr Haney mayor Hy yes thank you ma'am Miss Bundy I'd like to say these are very good short to the point and and I really like putting an approval of the minutes on agenda item um item two is re re I can't pronounce that word reelection of Mr Terry Striker which I don't think he's here tonight he's out of town the council it's been through the planning Council so
so you asking for a motion yeah we need a motion on a second motion got a motion made need a second make motion got a motion and a second and a motion apparently all in favor Madam clerk you call it roll Miss far yes Miss bford yes Mr Chapel yes Mr Haney yes may yes thank you ma'am I'm glad he came back okay Mr Sloan you're up item three to the the first substantive item that I was discussing the meat of why we're here which is the planning board recommendation and the
application for development permit at 909 West Street Coastal Acquisitions of Florida LLC and you have the recommendation of the Planning Commission uh and the various documents of the record that I identified earlier um and so with the applicant mayor if you're ready for the applicant he can come up and absolutely it's a Mr Santoro
good afternoon Philip santor Northstar engineering and also the owner of all metal or Coastal Acquisitions of Florida uh I am here today before you to request approval of my development order of the same set of plans that we have previously been approved for but under your new ldr
are you referring to the ordinance that was passed last year U amending the comprehensive plan and the ordinance that amended the Land Development regulation yes sir okay so if the council will remember what what Mr Santoro is talking about is in the original application he file which is not for consideration tonight in the original one the uh there were variances
that had to be requested and which Mr santor did and then the council uh granted those variances they did at this point in time uh there are no variances for the uh construction as being submitted in the development order application of Mr Santoro and so those issues are no longer uh relevant to the city at this point okay thank you Mr SL so you would ask anyone want to
cross-examine Mr Santoro yes sir you need to state your name and address for the record should I go to the podium as well or how do you handle this Mr yeah at the podium be because it's recorded that way and it's on the record you're still up here sir understand okay thank you my name is David theak theak in Spain Tallahassee Florida I'm an attorney representing Paul Parker I just have a couple questions Paul Palmer did I say Parker again I just rename the city
uh uh it's Friday night this is the first quasi additional Hearing in 33 years I've ever had in a Friday night so you may we only have them on Fridays no I'm lying to you go ahead brother uh sir did you say your last name santor or santor santor santor my name is theak so it gets butchered a lot um at the Planning Commission I believe you stated that some of the deliveries that would be coming to your property may have more than four axles uh and would be driving
on the city streets do you recall that testimony yes is that accurate yes okay uh as you stand here today are you willing to commit uh that all deliveries to the subject property will have no more than four axles when they're on a city street no and this is a new application uh if the city council approves your new application do you you agree that the
application that was approved originally I believe it was March uh 7th 2024 uh is no one void no what do you think the status of that original application is I have an approval so tonight if you get an approval with the new application is it your position that you have two different development orders for the same property I have this I have the same approval twice okay thank you no other
questions thank you sir just for purposes of the city I want to make sure the council is clear this is a new application right and with your consideration of this application yes the original application from the city standpoint is nooid yes would anybody else like to come to the podium would anybody else like to come to the podium to cross examine Mr
santor okay thank you sir have a seat need call the next witness y does are there anybody else or is there any other witnesses that would like to come to the podium okay Mr mayor council members City attorney my name is David theak I represent Paul Palmer yes sir and I have one witness that I'll
call uh that is going to be uh Paul but before I call Paul I have a procedural issue that I would like to raise uh we respectfully submit that it is inappropriate to conduct tonight's special meeting uh on this new application uh as you all know the Planning Commission met on Tuesday the notice of the Planning
Commission was published on Monday provided one day's notice the notice for tonight's city council meeting was published last Friday January 31st uh and just so I can make sure my record is clear there is a list of my 18 exhibits uh as the first page in my three- ring binder uh and Mr Mayor if you could bear with me I need to make sure that the record reflects what my
documents are that I've asked to be put into the record okay if I proceed with any further litigation by all means thank you my number one is the notice of hearing for city council meeting on February 7th 2025 published on January 31 2025 my exhibit two is notice of hearing for Planning Commission meeting on February 4 2025 published on February 3rd 2025 exhibit 3 is section 6-
1.6 of the city's Land Development Rags section number four is section 6 d3.5 of the city's Land Development regulations exhibit 5 is section 3- 3.3 of the city's Land Development regulations exhibit six is section three of the city of Parker's Charter exhibit seven is ordinance number 20 24- 421 number eight is the Planning commission's Development order application decision and recommendation
dated February 4 2025 number nine is our submitt review comments dated January 29 2025 number 10 is Coastal Acquisitions of Florida llc's application of development permit dated December 19 2024 11 are the site construction plans revised on January 22nd 2024 number 12 is the amended complaint
for declaratory and injunctive relief dated June 10 2024 13 is the amended petition for R surari dated July 29 2024 14 is the transcript of the city council's public hearing held on March 7 2024 number 15 the transcript of the planning commission's public hearing held on February 27 2024 16 is a petition for variance application dated February 28 2024 17 is an easement dated
March 7 2024 and 18 is a screenshot of City files loaded on February 6th 2025 which was yesterday as an initial matter while it is correct that the city has the authority to cond to conduct a special meeting on one day's uh notice it doesn't have the authority to conduct a quasi judicial hearing on one day's
notice I respectfully submit that violates procedural due process I've handed out two cases both to the mayor and to the City attorney the first one is Caroline community residential versus seminal County and I've highlighted a few quotes that are in there the core and I'm quoting on page nine paragraph uh one uh through three is the head note the the core of due process is the right to
notice and an opportunity to be heard due process is a flexible concept and requires only that the proceeding be essentially Fair uh and then the next page talks about due process depends on the function of the proceeding as well as the nature of the interest the second case was Florida Water Services Corporation versus Robinson on page 10 39 a participant in
a quasi judicial preing proceeding is clearly entitled to some measure of due process the issue of what process is due depends on the function of the proceeding as well as the nature of the interest affected a quasa Judicial hearing is a hearing at which both the applicant and participants have an opportunity to be heard have an opportunity to present evidence have an opportunity to call witnesses for example uh I would have had time to hire an
engineer or a groundwater expert if we were provided more than five business days notice for tonight's quasi judicial hearing I I respectfully submit that the notice that was provided for tonight is not essentially Fair uh and cany I don't understand it um there is no emergency your plan Amendment became
effective in early January you could have scheduled the Planning Commission in January you could have you could have scheduled the city council meeting in January for some reason somebody decided to wait until Monday to advertise a Planning Commission meeting on Tuesday and waited until Friday to notice tonight's hearing uh I it it it befuddles me that the city would proceed that way so my first issue which you can
easily cure which is to Ren notice this at a later date to provide adequate time for participants to be able to obtain expert witnesses to present testimony tonight another issue along the same line I know Mr Sloan said he had just gotten my three-wing three-wing binder I had four days to put together my three- ring binder make copies for you all and come over here today uh that's why you
got it tonight instead of a few nights before the hearing because of the incredibly compressed time frame so our initial argument is that we ask the council to Ren notice this for a reasonable time frame whether it's a week from now or 10 days from now there's just no reason to give folks that legal argument in Circuit Court Mr
thak how long have you represented Mr Palmer I believe it was approximately six months no no I believe it was February 2024 I represented a year and a portion a year and a month yeah Mr Palmer contacted me before the uh Planning Commission meeting yeah and then I had a medical issue and I wasn't able to attend the city council meeting in March and I've represented Mr Palmer and the two lawsuits that are pending uh in
Circuit Court um so I hope that answers your questions it does uh our my second issue is I'm going to call Mr Palmer uh I have just a couple questions that I want to ask him uh and so that's in the record uh Mr Palmer could you please come to the podium pleas please state your name and
address Paul Palmer 1135 West Street how close is your property to the subject property um let's see qu mile not even a quarter like 200 yeah two two three three Mr Palmer do you recognize the amended complaint for declaratory injunctive relief that you filed in Circuit Court yes sir I do have you read paragraphs 22 23 24 25 26 28 29
and 30 of the yes are you testify well let me State there was a typo in paragraph 28 it say you started as a planning commissioner in 2015 that's 2018 correct correct with the exception of that correction as you stand here under oath are you testifying that the statements that you have in this amended complaint in paragraphs 22 through 30 are true and accurate yes sir they are
right that's all the questions I have for Mr Palmer he may have a PR statement that he wants to make I believe he has a petition that I he may want to hand out as well thank you Mr thank you for your patience thank council members Mr Palmer you have the podium thank you sir so I have before me um how many were they gone 25 25 petitions uh
uh that basically State we support ordinance 2024-25 here in time for the meeting okay okay
they would not be part of the record Mr Palmer because it's only whatever is in front of the right now council at this point in time at when they make their decision okay so can I you can't you can't add them after the fact and right even even if they arrived in time before the meeting if if they have not been presented to the council here uh I don't know how when they got here they should have got here before 5 uh one particular was from Ray Waters who was the caddy
yeah he's up in Georgia they're celebrating some people have called and said that they felt like you pushed them into doing it the bottom line is if if Council doesn't have it before them it's part of the okay and and Mr bar in closing ex yep we're done exhibit nine are your submittal review comments number five uh your staff comments regarding the application on January 29
2025 page two of the planning review comments and in the planning review comments it says this parcel should be constructed with an access road into the site for four axle Vehicles making deliveries please revise site plan to comply with this requirement uh so your own planning review comments pointed out the problem with the four axles uh being driven on city streets uh and that's also
reflected in the planning commission's recommendation uh that there were remarks made uh by the applicant and again reasserted tonight that delivery trucks will have more than four axles and that is a direct violation of ordinance 2024-25 point4 point3 conditional uses A1 in any sub area of the CRA the
property must have direct vehicular access to a state or federal Road or highway without the use of any city streets for deliveries by Vehicles having more than four axles such as deliveries of raw materials or finished products it was argued at the Planning Commission that that's an operational issue that could be addressed by code enforcement later on I respectfully submit that that is an issue for whether or not you you can grant approval of this site plan when the applicant has
already admitted before he even begins operating that he's not going to comply with this requirement in the city's Land Development regulations thank you thank you sir appreciate you does anybody else have anything they like to say to the city council if you do please come to the podium
Wayne Gwen 924 pits Avenue here in Parker and I'd like to say that I support the ordinance 202 24- 421 that limits delivery vehicles to four axles on the city streets of Parker okay thank you sir thank you anybody else please come to the podium good you you can line up that's fine truck bford 545 Fleming Street um there
seems to be some issue about some axles or something on trucks I'm not real sure I've not read any legal documents or know what's going on but um whether the truck has six axles four axles five axles three axles two axles there are laws set up for this there are bridge laws too but the the main thing is the laws is that the weight cannot exceed 22,000 lb per
axle so if you have one axle or 32 axles the same weight is still being put on the ground per axle that's 22,000 lbs per axle so it doesn't matter the axles I don't really understand what this problem is with the axles it's it's the the same amount of weight is getting distributed the same and unless a truck is gross 80,000 lb which is allowed by
the state of Florida then the weight the more axles the less weight per axle if that makes sense to anybody is the distribution of the of the load yeah correct I'm not real sure what the problem is about the axles but Dural law is protecting that with weights and any the gross vehicle weight in the State of Florida no matter what unless you have a permit for overweight is 80,000 lb regardless of the acent and can I ask how you know the history when it comes
to oh I trck been the 70s and 80s and early 90s okay so you have history with tractor trailers and yes how the weight is dispersed okay sorry yeah by me Gary hard 725 West Street uh here in Parker uh I'm here I guess more as a character witness if you will um and I'm
I'm a bit flumix by the all the hoopla and the amount of minutia that I see strewn about but um uh I don't really understand why there's a problem yes I I I Now understand that it's a new application but the old one went through and everything was hunky dory and I'm not sure if there's that big a variance or difference between the first and the second my apologies for
not uh studying up on that but uh I I just want to say that uh if they come into Parker they will be a plus for the community one selfishly I look at it from a tax-base uh Improvement I I'll take all the help I can get I've also personally done business with his company and the the folks in his office are some of the nicest most
accommodating people who will enhance the uh overall Ambiance of the city if you will as far as people coming in and doing business uh in his facility um and as the axle thing I thought that was pretty cool information uh and my thinking is at tops it's going to be a 100 yards off the main road the details I guess but anyway I just wanted to say
I I'm for him I apologize that it's taken you forever in a day to get to this point and we're still dancing and jumping through hoops and dealing with minutia so thank you for your time thank you sir Mr darak do you have any questions for that gentleman no sir thank you what is minutia send me an email send me an
email send me an email yes sir go ahead did you get he did do you swear that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do so help me go uh the four axle five has been brought up and the reason sir we need your name and address on the recorded line Brandon 1034 Brandon place thank you sir uh five axle trucks go down 98 because it's a
not Parker it's not a city street so we know that that's why they're allowed and like he said the same weight is just distributed different if it's got five axles or four axles uh Mr cantur said he has no uh way of knowing if a truck's coming with four or five he was honest about it he didn't say okay then they're all going to be four he could have said that but if he does
and a 5 axle truck comes in some of these people here are going to be sitting there with cameras taking pictures videos of it you know they're going to be going citizens arrest citizens arrest so I respect that he doesn't know if it's going to be a four or a five I don't know if there's a way to get a variance that they can go down certain streets with five axle trailers but it looks like him and his lawyers don't have a conflict with the building
so much anymore they're fine-tuning this this down to an AEL in other words everything else is good to go with this building it's been the planning has approved everything on their end now they're kicking the can down the street about an axle it's about an axle it's about an axle we need to dig more holes more holes we need to check the land over and over and over uh I've had people in this City tell me that they think that this
it's about a bunch of good old boys in the city because if y'all vote for it's CU y'all are getting Kickbacks or something you know everybody's getting something minutia yeah minutia and I got I got what I'm getting I got to tell you that I when I in for things that are right like this or any other thing in the city I do get a kickback and my kickback is blessings from God from standing up for people that they're doing the right thing amen every time I get a blessing I go it's because I've
done something right and I don't ask for them just when I'm blessed I think about it and when things go bad I go whoops that must have been something I didn't do right but this is about blessings and doing right things and not Kickbacks we don't get no Kickbacks we in the city people don't realize when he sues the city he's suing all the citizens the citizens are the city y'all aren't the city y'all work for the city we vote you
in the city is what 2500 people that live in this town right somewhere along that that's the city the city and most people are for this CU you don't see a whole lot of people up here that are saying they don't want this it's just the limited few they want to kick the can down the street and dig more holes and they want to look for extra axles so I'm just I'm for them I want them to come in I hope that this goes through and we can be done later this to bed and watch construction going anyway thank
you m come to the podium please I would like to address those those issues in a in kind of a friendly way um as you aware that I was here on the Planning Commission when the first presentation was made for uh the coastal metal building and in that presentation uh there was lots of questions I presented a slideshow detailing where the uh particular application was in
non-compliance with both the comp plan and the ldr the we did vote against recommending that for approval Mr santor was a little bit surprised he was he had said something to the statement that I was I was under the impression that I could do what I wanted to do which is okay but he did make something important as he was talking about the people of Parker and the uh his building he basically said I am not going to do anything that's going
to hurt your city I would not do anything differently than I would treat my own City now I would bring to the commission the comment that there is a pretty big difference between having semi-trailers 18 wheelers coming down our Parker streets versus having um the 4 axle streets we're not pre and and so therefore I you said you would not do anything to our little town that you wouldn't do to your own town well would
you like me driv and semi-trailers down through your house on Bay Point I don't think so so I'd like to put things in perspective you know the the commission went to a lot of work in order to in order to pres allow Mr santor to build his building the only particular requirement that was not made the only particular part of the deal has not been made is he could access off of business 98 directly
with this with the delivery trucks and be totally incompliant there is nothing that pre prevents him from doing that and I have pictures but I didn't bring them of we had a a day before I that there were three semi trucks parked on West Street they were there servicing the other particular building uh the other uh thing that went into ry's place but they were too crowded and they didn't have enough places for them and then I went and talked to them and I said look you can't park your city your
trucks on on on the city street they no longer do it they have their own access point and they bring their trucks in just as he can have an access point so I ask you your your loyalty is also to the cens of Parker we have our own little Community not too long ago there was somebody who wanted to put a Dollar General I think it was either on I can't remember which street it you know which street it was Arrow Arrow Street okay they wanted to put a Dollar General and
um the citizens on that street got together and submitted a petition that said basically no they didn't there were a number of people that nobody submitted no petition no sir there were a number of people that that they didn't do anything this is being recorded anyway there were a number of people that raised the objection that we should not let 18 wheelers come down arrow Street to backfill into that thing that was one of the arguments that was used for getting rid of that uh proposal people didn't
want it ruining their Community okay so I just say the same thing here he can build his building I think it's a a good idea I've never had a problem with Mr santor and but I expect him to follow the rules and regulations and I expect a little bit of from the audience Madam but Paul thank you sir your time is up I have something to say first yes ma'am on the Dollar General you need to get your story straighted because they wanted to come in on East Street go through come out on Arrow
Street tractor trailers all day long anytime they don't close till 10:00 they're right at in a neighborhood and I don't see where anybody's going to be driving by anybody's house down here so and I and besides my name is Tanya not Tanya so next time please spell it right on that paper go ahead and come to the podium please have you been SW sure he
will you'll have to excuse me I'm getting kind of on the tail end of this wagon dog here okay but name and address and I really I'm sorry I'm sorry uh Tony Mullen 920 pits yeah um I I don't I'm not on either side here I I'm I'm just missing a an important piece of information first of all you know what's written in our codes are are there there for a reason and our roads need to be
protected you know they're failing all over the place we can't we don't have the funds to do proper repairs but I don't hear anything from the contractor that says we've taken these core samples and we've done DCPS and and nuclear density testing and this is the engineering loadbearing capability of these roads that we're going to use where's that at if you can get that and it supports which I'm sure it won't
it if it supports the vehicles and the number of passes they're going to be making on this payment the engineer can predict that in three years 5 years 10 years that Road's going to fail who's going to fix it if the city has to do a full depth repair on a 22,000 PB per axle truck you know that those number of axles represent different numbers of passes on that road that so it's not a load issue all that much it's a
loadbearing capability for the existing payment they're going to use so if if the if the contractor is willing to say okay hey if that road fails in three months we're going to do a full depth repair and that won't be on the city to do that you're talking about going down two feet to remove the base the subbase and putting in a subgrade that'll hold that kind of weight so and I kind of know what I'm talking talking about you know because I did engineering evaluations for airfi payments for 5
years for the Air Force so I kind of know a little bit about it but I don't hear the information I don't hear the scientific information that says this is what this road will support and we would like to use it and if you can't do that then it doesn't make sense for the cities to have to go do that full depth repair in three years or five years because they can't afford it anyway you know so in that in that realm I'm defending what the cities needs to be
defending and that's the road repair that might result from so you know that said I mean I'm still on the cuff I mean I like the company I and I don't have a problem with their building and I would like to see them be able to come here but at not at the expense of the roads because they're already in bad shape and I just don't I don't think there's any reason to them up further uh without some kind of assurance that we've got a
payback so thank you worth appreciate you one more time yes sir 5 Street um SRM concrete company right down the street Smur uh Tennessee de trucks only have three axles they weigh 70,000 lb could you explain the gbw distri U on eight on a five axle truck and then everybody will
know what you're talking about the more axles it got the less it weighs that's exactly right that's exactly right 15 axles is no weight at all it gets more technical than that into the width of the tires so for so 68 lbs per square inch of the tire but anyway regardless of all that if Joe Blow wants a house built down the street and he gets load of concrete that load of concrete weighs 70,000 okay they going to say this man tore the road Zone he had one truck coming in this is all
this is all just blown way out of proportion okay this man spent all this money to buy this piece of property he's trying to do exactly what this country was founded on capitalism free enterprise taking a big risk not knowing if you're going to make any money or not but you take the risk you got to make payroll Insurance matches Social Security this man right here is just nothing more than a businessman trying to fulfill his dream same thing that
most all of us that are self-employed want to do and for them to blow this out of proportion about some damn axle on a truck without knowing what they're talking about is for lack of a better word just BS U minua minutia I guess you should say but there's been no research done on this you can't blame a truck going down the road on this man when he has one or two a week and we don't know if they're five axles or six axles or three axles
you've got this rental place that just went in go look at their trucks they've got five axle trucks over there I watched them I looked at them your garbage trucks they're allowed to weigh 70,000 lb cement trucks 7,000 lb dump trucks 70,000 lb they have tag axles on them but they don't ever put them down they leave them up it's there for show um I can't tell y'all how to vat but I can ask y'all that y'all should really really think about allowing this man to
do this project he wants to do and I won't talk anymore thank you sir appreciate your time okay name and address for the record please um Shirley stepy 1021 East Park Street have you been sworn in talk gent Sam have you been sworn in no I have not you got to be sworn in for the record the cler or swear you do you swear for the brought to give us the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes this gentleman here was talking
about the weights and the axles and everything I know it's confusing to a lot of people I worked around large trucks trash trucks dumpsters rolloffs I worked around all those for 30 years um it all has to do not so much with the axle it's the weight the weight the truck can handle okay now yes you can bring in six axles and it could weigh 80,000 you can bring in four axles in only allowed 40,000 that's that's just the way it is
um I have to agree though I think it was Paul that said that it would be nice if they could get a 98 access into the in and out of their property that I think would make everybody happy that doesn't want them on our streets I don't want it on my street either um they are fragile our streets are very fragile I don't know how old they are but I know they're fragile you can drive up and down here and see that we need a
lot of repairs there's a lot that needs to be done and if you're going to add this regular weight going on that could be an issue my other thing is noise has anybody address the noise for the people that are going to be living what diesel Tru we diesel trucks when when this when this started two years ago all of these questions were addressed okay okay so the they only deliver During certain times during the day they I've been to
their shop in Springfield and parked across the street and watched it makes no noise it's nothing is your ladies and gentlemen yeah right now we're having testimony not not this this group back here needs to calm down and quiet down
cuz we can't hear hear I'm no I'm not done I still have a minute or two you can't argue in the middle of the of a I'm not trying to argue I'm just trying to point out that the people who live around it may not be happy with the noise um I still think everyone would be happier if we could get our access if this gentleman would be happy to agree to do his access off of 98 and then we wouldn't have to worry about repairing our roads thank you ma'am thank you can I can I make a a
point does Mr theak have any Cross of that lady no cross than you sir no no CR yeah can I just make one point when it comes to the axle situation okay say somebody buys them a brand new three axle fifth wheel travel trailer and say bubba white takes one of his largest Wreckers and they want it brought to their house so they can show it to their wife they're so excited they bought it so now you're talking about a three axle fifth wheel travel trailer and then you're talking about three or four axles on Bubble White's heavy duty record okay
you're talking about six seven axles now say somebody does that once every two weeks are you guys going to kick bubble white from driving down your roads also that that's my point you're talking about once every two weeks maybe so I mean is that something is that something that would be a problem because if if somebody wants to buy a new fifth wheel travel truck trailer that may have three axles which are very large and say they want Bubba white to
deliver to them is Bubba white going to be kicked out from driving down somebody's City street to deliver that to them okay come to the podium please state your name and address for the record please my name is ran Vu I live on 1135 West Street uh I have not sworn in have you been sworn in no okay raise your right hand do you swear and air that the testimony brought to give us the truth
the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes thank you I do well I'm not arguing about anything because you know you will say that I'm biased because I'm with Mr Palmer I live in in the same I'm his spouse so I don't have the same thing but here is a deal I know you find this funny sure go ahead laugh pay pay atten and uh here here is my deal is okay I
have like I said I have no nothing against the uh building the uh new uh business anything yeah anything but I see I'm a runner I run around Parker a lot I can can show my record I run around here right and streets around here are not good like gerain I've been running here about 15 years po House Everywhere uh on Aster running down
toward pits water pool and run down long the pit pothole run down the run along the Lake Drive right uh along the Elementary School uh you know like forever took you guys forever then fix it then hold fix it and holes now you fix it again that I
is starting forming hole here so I live on a street I don't mind you know I don't mind having thing but I do mind have something driving there this is what I would propose the solution is Mr uh the new place his uh place he can drive if he coming from the eastbound or westbound he can take the West Park going down to Second Street
and along the west Street in his on his proper on his property he can build a driveway so he can get on back on uh uh 98 I watch it it's plenty of room and he can make it for his driveway right next to not like you know away from the the right of way and he can build have one there and he drive the truck he can be
make it one way in one way out and avoid my street you can go to West Park and go second and go there that would be I'll be happy I would be your proposal is they com in on West Park yeah West partk same as the city trucks do right yep and then take it ride on Second Street same as the city trucks do right right and driveway he can go through why why couldn't he do that he could couldn't he he could he could do his have his own driveway okay what do we do about the
other vehic W street I hear you I hear you the the company beside his what would happen to those Vehicles there you want them to come in West Park that's okay we do that and then go down go down second I don't want to go I need go west part cut acoss and cut the step and go down stay away from just D the driveway along the west Street y not on not on West Street I'll be happy so if he had if he built a driveway beside West
Street beside West Street yep and that it would not be on the the city street okay at his own property and he'd do anything he wants so that's my POS my thank your comment it's a good comment I appreciate you that's all thank you you can laugh yes come to the podium please okay um so one thing that we haven't considered and this was brought up by Terry striker during the original Planning Commission meeting if you recall he made a statement
about you know when we make a decision affecting what our comp plan and our ldr is um we're sort of stuck with it if we if we allow this to occur now he's got a whole another piece of property off the Second Avenue there just I think it's to the south of that okay and right now it's not under any development but maybe that project's going to require a lot more trucks so there was a lot of wisdom when the city of Parker basically made
the compromise ldr uh to not allow the um anything more than four wheels coming down the city streets now prior to that ldr change if you were a business on um in that CRA on in a commercial District you W allowed to have any of your traffic coming down the city streets so the city
of Parker went out of its way to compromise on that we're only saying gez keep the big trucks off of there so secondly if we we got to think not just of Mr Santoro what about the next occupants what about what goes on on that other piece of property you know maybe they're having a truck repair business and they're going to bring in much bigger trucks so it's not the number of axles that that is the way of measuring the size it's the size of the damn vehicles and if you're in a
residential area you're not used to seeing semi TRS so that's part of the whole point and it's not it is not about whether or not Mr santur is a good guy or not a good guy I think he's a good guy he's taking a risk but we're also the city of Parker the city council and the commission has responsibility to all a Parker so please consider that particular Viewpoint thank you thank you sir if there's nobody else yes Mr sanor
go ahead go ahead you go first do you swear andir the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes my name is Gregory Parker 16 Wood Avenue uh on the roads front you know you've already added taxes ad Borum taxes to everyone are you going to add a separate tax to pay for roads on businesses that continue to ask for
changes at ldr to let them perform their job and allow the city like he said you know everyone in the city that they're part of the city y'all are part of the city so if we're paying taxes are the businesses paying taxes for what they're asking for So currently we are about to finalize an srf loan with the state of Florida the adorm tax is going to go for that srf repay as the pipe goes in the
ground to up you're going to see massive construction as the pipe goes in the ground it's part of the resurfacing project it's pointless digging up the road and fixing it right now if it's going to have a hole dug in and lay a pipe through it I absolutely agree with that so point and we are in play it doesn't happen overnight it had to be bid there were many many many many variables we just found out today that between the last time the job got bid in this morning there was a $35,000
increase in the price of ducktail iron fortunately the company that's going to do the job in order to keep contractors agreed to eat that $35,000 loss every day that goes by Public Works is engaged in getting these roads taken care of but I cannot I will not repair roads that have to be dug up again to be the new the new piping there I can't I cannot tell you why the old administrations didn't do this but they should have done and now we're getting to it and we're putting new pipe in the ground I guess
the ultimate question is why are the citizens that aren't asking for these businesses to come in required to pay the taxes for the businesses that are destroying the roads the businesses have taxes but they're paying them to Bay County and not Parker so Parker allowing businesses your home sir no one tells you how to live in your property huh no one tells you how to live on your property just you know words how you live in your yard the citizens of Parker don't tell you how to live no this has to do with the roads
okay you're saying that a business is coming in you've changed the ldr to where anything the the axles don't matter so you're allowing businesses that come in as as large axles whether it's like she said your Joe Blow that's running a three rig down with whatever or you have 16 it doesn't matter you're allowing businesses to come in destroy the roads and then all sir the road is not destroyed where what road is he
destroyed this is speculation allow the man just said there he run down the road it's got nothing to do with the guy that's here tonight on there's no tra you Can't Blame A man that he even moved into Parker yet for something that's happened over a 15year period of time what I'm stating is you are allowing businesses the the ldr is changing to allow different businesses into Parker right the ldr was changed by the
planning Council to accommodate change for the future of the city right so if the ldr changes to accommodate specific areas for the city to grow then the constituents of Parker the Parker members the mayor should all look at it as okay well we're changing these things for businesses we've already added ADV valorum tax onto the citizens where's the money coming from that I mean like you just said you had a a
contractor that had to eat a $35,000 inrease chunk of iron so what kind of increases are we having for roads what kind of increases are we having for so every day that goes by that we don't get the job done it cost more money that's the bottom line I can't project what the future will bring I can only take the bids for today but what I'm saying is if you are only putting a tax on the citizens and not on the businesses that are doing more damage than the average citizen well how much property tax do you think he pays I
have no idea not my property who clapped back there did you tell me how much tax santor was going to pay I do not know so why you you're proud of not knowing no I'm proud excuse me I'm proud that this young man is bringing it up I am too I've known Mr Parker a long time but he's misinformed yeah you can only have one at a time yeah time's up I'm sorry I'll see you soon anybody else before we
can Mr May yeah I may have a minute two minutes that's it it's going on for too long that works for me thank you I really want to focus in on this comment about why do we care about axles we raised an issue with the comprehensive plan when Mr santor first proposed this you all amended your comprehensive plan to address the issues we raised we raised an issue with the Land Development code variances that he
did we contended did not meet you amended Your Land Development code to accommodate Mr santor as part of your ordinance the city adopted this isn't something we made up the city adopted ordinance number 20 24-42 it's in your packet it's in my binder tab number seven the city imposed the Restriction of no more than four axles it's a city imposed restriction he
could be the greatest guy on the earth he could be Mother Teresa it doesn't matter who the applicant is every applicant has to comply with your written adopted regulations and he has the ability to have direct access to 98 if he redesigns the site to have that access Mr Thor let me ask you who came up with the four axle rule y'all did who who specifically oh I have no clue uh I think what they were talking about at the time was there is delivery and there
is removal of manufactured goods so a trailer I'm I'm being told this and a Truck pickup truck is four axles you place your order they make the panels they put them on the trailer and the trailer and the pickup truck leave that's four axles this says deliveries delivery they're delivering the materials from the building that he's proposing to build to the the site that it's going to be used on the property must have a direct
vehicular access to a state or federal Road or highway without the use of City roads city streets for deliveries okay by Vehicles having more than four axles and what did we decide Mr SLO what was there well I would point out mayor that the Planning Commission recognized that there would potentially be an operational issue Mr Santoro testified in the Planning Commission that perhaps
one delivery every two weeks in a vehicle that he doesn't control would deliver to his property right the Planning Commission at that time recognize that that uh that that was an operational issue it's not about his construction not development order construction it was an operational issue it had to do with the operation of businesses now the Planning Commission also recognized that there were other
businesses that already existed in the city of Parker that had deliveries from uh trucks with more than four axles in sub areas of the CRA and at that time the Planning Commission uh recognized that as an operational concern and uh committed to uh looking into making further changes to the to the city's ldr okay uh to accommodate those other
deliveries which are being made as I understand it by semis uh tractor trailers food delivery trucks so that that has been recognized by the the the Planning Commission they are looking going to be looking at it going forward but they perceive that as an operational issue that if it existed that he could be cited for a violation yeah but it was not a development issue
which is what they were looking at as a part of the development permit application okay Mr slow may I complete my statement yeah go ahead brother thank you your own staff said this parcel shell should be constructed with an access road into the site for four axle Vehicles making deliveries please revise site plan to comply with this requirement this comment is not addressed page two number three so your planning review comments
recognize this as a site plan issue not an operational issue and the comments that were made at the Planning Commission that there were other deliveries those are not light manufacturing the for axle requirement only pertains to light manufacturing the applicant can design this site to comply with this requirement you have already amended the rules twice now he's going to ask you to amend them three times you can say you got a great project just
give us direct access to 98 we'll all go home thank you thank you sir SC go ahead sir we going to continue to go in circles because for some reason there is a gentleman in his group
who doesn't want this I've done everything in my power I've said I would put in a new water line for the city of Parker I've said over and over the things that I would do I've said the reason that I've asked not to put this building out on the front so that we could do development
there to enhance the look as you drive down 98 I've never said that every truck that was come come in there was going to be five axles or more but I'm never going to stand in front of this commission nor for the Planning Commission and absolutely tell you a
lie I've worked diligently over the last two years to do everything in my power and you have some residents in this city who are shortsighted the amount of money and the amount of investment that we're going to make in this city would do
more than pave a street I didn't know a single person in Parker before I came to Parker to do this development I've never offered not one person one
penny to help me or get approval for this job or this project My Name by some of these people have been blasted out here and said some of the most irresponsible things
Mr Palmer has caused detriment to the success of this city from the time that he first sat there to the time that he called me personally to even today of allowing this city to move
forward it doesn't matter what we do he's going to have a problem with it I request that this project be
approved so that we can move forward with allowing Parker to be better next year than it is today thank you sir did you have something you want to say yes sir also okay you from the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes my name is Marcus mclusky I live at
505 North Street um this is my very first city meeting I've ever been in and what one to be at right uh I'm standing back here just observing and trying to learn you know be a public you know be part of the public in the city and do my part I I want to thank you for coming up here and talking just now um I wanted to hear
more from you about what you plan to do so uh from you know this being my very first I feel like I have a opportunity to you know outside looking in here on how the City Works and um the emotion that people have about things going on in their City I hear a lot about the roads around here
and I have dented my car many a Time on these roads but I feel like that's a totally separate issue compared to Bringing business into this city so I think every time I drive by this piece of land over here I I think it's a gorgeous piece of land and it's just sit sitting there stagnant stagnant I feel like this city
has been stagnant a little bit and trying to come up and be a net positive for the community and for its citizens if I was a businessman coming in here for the first time wanting to bring business to the city I would be shocked I wouldn't want to bring my business to this city at all I think sir can I ask you how long youve lived here I've lived here uh a year a year
yes sir okay and uh I don't see the harm in bringing business that will help the city absolutely paying property tax just like we pay tax and uh bringing more foot traffic into this town is I think what will bring more money to this town and U more business so um I'm so sorry that you have to go through this okay I'm done thank you sir all
right it's uh we've heard everybody's each side of this and uh I guess now as long we're down to well I just want to make sure Mr theak M theak is anything else any of the witnesses that have testified today thank you Mr SL I have no questions okay sir thank you so you you would uh at this point mayor you have an application pending that you can either for development order we need a
motion in a second right I'd like make Point as far as the axles are involved I remember this going to planic many years back it was mainly concerned to high density residential areas such as Donaldson point and such other places such so on so forth keep the semi trucks out of are like that but the area he's trying to to build nothing there there's no residential areas hardly where the it's a cemetery and station yeah I mean I don't think nobody and another thing that I wanted to bring up is the one thing about tractor trailers in Parker
that won't be affected by what he's doing is if you ever drive around Parker we have we had more oak trees six years ago but if you ever drive around Parker especially out in the point you can't drive a tractor trailer through there because the top of the truck will hit those trees as they goes through there boats hit them and they go through there most of Parker it was worse it was heavier before the hurricane but it's still heavy today but uh anyway and of course on top of that as well I mean before the hurricane
many millions of dollars were spent try to revive the community that's why our robes are not being pav the potle you see now and that's that's why we still have this recurring problem this right it's part of it we had to spend all this money to get all the debris out of the area that's right so this is my motion to approve his development order and get him roll what he's got with the standard conditions that that wait wait I was going to ask you one more thing about the 8 inch main you gonna take care the 8 inch Bain too in the fire he's going to put one in for us yes sir we've agreed to do that and that is in the
plans it is in the plan joh first I mind so the motion will be for uh approve the uh development order as with with what with the standard conditions yeah with standard conditions we need a first which we have we'll need a second make a second we have a first and a second Madame clerk please call the role Miss Barrow yes M bford yes Mr Chapel yes Mr Haney yes Ma and mayor Kelly yes thank you
[Applause] Council I would like to say thank you Mr Santoro for picking par put your business there absolutely appreciate thank you Mr thak also for coming up here tonight thank you sir thank representing your side appreciate you appreciate you um we're going to go on item four Mr sour please don't leave I've got some documents I need to give you um the planning board
recommendations for the East Bay Apartments have you reviewed that I haven't had a chance to even read this it took me forever to read this other one yeah I haven't reviewed the
dedication me too I haven't had so much to read today what is it they're W to adjust they want uh they're asking the council to approve a PL that was a change is anybody here from East Bay apartments that can speak reference your reference your uh no presentation from the yeah we have to have a presentation from the applicant there's nobody here we'll move it to
another night Chief is there anybody out there Chief is there anybody out there from the apartments East Bay apartments no so you would need a motion to table it to the next meeting I'll make a motion that we table it we have a first can I get second we have a second call a roll please miss Barrow yes Miss bford yes Mr Tav yes Mr Haney mayor Kelly yes
item five is the planning board um planning board what is it I can't read it planning recommendations yeah recomendations for request PL for lot split do you have that before you I think Mr Ferell is here Mr Ferell hey how you doing sir come on up know we get a lot more done when
people show up you know hopefully it won't be as rough as the last four or five it should be easy I hope and Madam clerk if you'll swear swearing do you swear from the testimony about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do thank go ahead Mr Sloan you're up all right uh mayor this came before the Planning Commission uh and meeting uh and they have recommended approval of the lot split you have the the lot split
before you uh the the issue uh that they discussed somewhat was uh the the access to the back and I believe that's depicted on your drawings here um it'll be a private access it won't be a public access correct correct so the recommendation of the planning Council was to uh recomend approval of the is Mr suan here well I got it yes is he yes the way
I'm seeing it and I've been over there and looked and which I drive by all time but if you build two houses on the front and then you're going to build something back and then make a little a little um Road I'm assuming big enough just to get down to the other ones that's kind of dangerous uh trying to I don't see the Fire Protection in there either uh building something down in there and trying to get trucks down
in there and somebody else trying to it doesn't look um I have a a better diagram that shows what the plan would be overall and so it it'll be a a the same width as a normal street paved paved uh yes with concrete or asphalt and it will have a cold to sack it'll all be private it'll and it will have a shared um easement maintenance agreement between the four neighbors that that would be there all of the homes would be facing inward to the private road um in
a permitting process we're fine if there is something we need to do different from a fire protection standpoint well you would need to give the city an easement for access in there for the hydrants and stuff yeah Road you need to give the city access to get in and out of there as they need yeah typically we would work with with fire to make sure that we meet the distant requirements for from where there is a hydrant and if not then um make sure we're compliant with that but that piece of prop how
many yard is that off it Mr Su does it run off 11th yes how many yards how many feet is it from 11th to the back of that property well from this first lot to from 11th to the back of the lot if you had to put a full lay in there how many I know 800 ft I know no I know it's 100t from the road to the first property line as you're draw you can see theot okay so you wouldn't put a hydrant on that road I don't think that it would
require it but we're completely open to it if needed so um typically I'm not sure what the city requirement here is but normally we you know like if you built an aplex type townhouse building um those are 120 ft long sometimes we fire sprinkler those as needed but typically we don't need 100t distance wouldn't require if there's access to one on 11 on on 11th street is there one on 11th on 11th you know size the line is
feeding it that's a six so how many yards you want to lay in 800 feet on a 6 inch line won't be enough water coming out the other in want me address it's what address the council yeah come and address the council you can't lay a 3 in 2 and 1 half inch line 800 ft and get any water so I have not seen this drawing but after he' come to planning Mr Sloan had reached out to me to look at this project and I looked at
the project but like I said the partial split here is kind of a little bit like circumventing a subdivision review oh and where the subdivision review would come into places where it would be a culd saac and it would be a whd proper Road and all that you know but like I said I haven't seen this document all I seen was what was submitted um I do know like I said from the property line where the fire hydrants are located to the back corner would be 50 additional feet that's not much to that back property which isn't much but there again what is this withd proposed now uh this will be
22 feet okay so a city a city road is 50 it's 30 in the center 10 on each side right right yeah so there again like I said the one thing you need to look at with this is if you do the lot split is this will be a minor development it won't go back to planning and it won't come back to y'all it'll be a single family home minor development review with four houses War houses it won't get reviewed for fire protection it won't get reviewed for the storm water it won't you know so you have to isn't
isn't the back of that lot doesn't that flood the lady in the back corner of R shell is already come to the city twice concerned about the elevation the property beside there there's a BM if I'm not mistaken they wouldn't it run past into that past that BM there's a ditch beside the property yeah of a BM so we shared additional grading of we spent a whole bunch of money with an engineer to to PL it out out um to and you can see the dirt over there right now so we to elevate it significantly the finished floor elevation of these
homes will be at least 12 in above the crown of 11 so that's a about a 3 foot raise on on the part of this property that that floods and that's per our conversation we're concerned about making sure that we're above any sort of flooding issue yeah because I don't want you to build something it push the water onto the neighbors it's already there absolutely so Mr Su what's your recommendation well I mean like I said I haven't seen this document he has here the document he has here basically shows
this kind of as a subdivision it's a CAC has it been to Mrs Moore for review like that none of this has because it's only here for a lot split okay isn't here for review so that's where I'm trying to say essentially we're splitting two lots and into flag Lots but we're doing it in a way that feels more like a a subdivision it it provides a place for families and kids to play on a private road play basketball and stay out of off the street on 11 who's responsible for all the road this is private so there
this is this is a shared maintenance easement that would be so that would like an HOA so it would be an HOA like an ho like an HOA but yeah but that's a problem because I mean all the utilities will go down the road correct Water and Sewer we have access to to utilities for these two off of 11 and then we would have a 6 in line that that we should have had this before tonight right I'm saying though with the utilities the water and sewer that goes to the C Miss
Moore is going to have to review that anchor engineer is going have to look at that we've been going on for four months now so I I mean um I got to be careful no you don't tell say I mean so we're a new development company here in the area right and and I love Parker I love Callaway we're passionate about helping make a difference in these areas in these communities but from an investment standpoint at this point I would
probably withdraw the application and sell the land and go somewhere else because we can't it's been a rough lot split process for us and so we want to be here but I'm just saying like it doesn't make sense for us to to take six months to get a simple lot split done okay any any anything Council I I me personally I feel like it
needs to go to the engineer yeah and I respect that that's okay you know I mean I can't let anything be built in Parker that floods other people's homes I can't and we're not we're not saying we would do that so it normally we'd submit a building package in that package you would have a detailed grading and drainage plan for each home we would also submit we have a comprehensive overall subdivision what I call Subdivision grading and drainage plan so you can see how it all works together Mr Su what are you telling me give me some advice don't run
away I mean I haven't had a chance to RW anything else decision well we haven't seen what he's got either right so we need probably move it to I think we need to postpone it for two weeks will you get a copy of that to the clerk yeah I yeah we we'll work on that we'll decide I don't know that we're going to continue on with the project so okay um so yeah appreciate time do we need a motion I I'll make a motion T yeah motion to table we have a
second got a second call roll please miss bar yes Miss bford yes Mr Chapel yes Mr Haney mayor yes thanks we'll get back with you okay um and surplus items Tony's got a field full of them we want to put them to auction um I make a motion go ahead and let him put him in auction okay got a first and second you're declaring them Surplus Surplus and putting in great what he said Miss
bar yes Miss Mr he said yes Mr Haney yes yes thanks all right uh jban anything you want to discuss before you leave Mr Chapel I got two things okay you can have one um you know ice um Easter is coming up in April so we need to start thinking
about Easter eggs candy and stuff like that and having a committee together to take care of that the other thing is is uh the Pavilion up there on the playground area we're U trying to work to get get him over here start having um yard sales um the first of the month in April I don't know if we'll get there yet but uh that's going to be a community yard sale and uh there's going
to be 20 24 spots up there um that we can use so U you might want us think about that too that's that's all Mr what day are you looking can I make an announcement independ yeah go ahead ma'am sorry what oh said the first yeah I heard but like the first Saturday the first Sunday is
it going to be a weekend well I I thought we might just try the first Saturday of the month and see how that works out if it looks like it's an overflow or something like that I we can build on it but uh just to get the community aware that there's a yard sale kind of on a monthly basis and and we're also going to try to have Farmers Market also go ahead sir uh I'd like to make an announcement my next
door neighbor uh Sandy chers passed away yesterday har oh no and just for anybody that knew her or knew about it I'd like to announce he just told me ear yes so you would know thank you Gary you're welcome prayers thank you brother John you're up nothing thank you man m barel t t okay okay that's F words now oh she's this fight work it is I
can't remember what I was going to talk about but be all right mess her up you have anything no I have nothing thank you ladies and gentlemen I appreciate you coming participating is this is for his do Bo so which one is the correct
one can we make him a coffee tonight we can like of
absolutely no cuz you don't need a gbw of 80,000 lb that's ridiculous but five axles is attractive trailer one 2 3 4