Good evening everybody. Welcome to the city of park council meeting. Um if you don't mind everybody please stand. Yes sir. Let us pray. Heavenly Father, thank you for bringing us together today as we embark on this meeting. May our thoughts and discussions be guided by
your light. Help us to reflect in the call to deepen our Christian life. May our shared experiences serve as a reminder to your goodness and in God's love. in Jesus name. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty, justice for all. It's me. They vacuumed it probably. This one's off, too.
All right, let's see what we got here. Ma'am, would you please take a roll call? Absolutely. Miss Barrow here. Miss Bford here. Mr. Chapel here. Mr. Haney. Mayor Kelly here. Thank you, ma'am. At this time, if there's anybody in the audience that would like to approach the podium, you may for any item that's not
on the agenda for discussion. I need your name and address for the record, please. Pat Fosk 1344 Stratford. Um it's July 1st. We're getting close to budget time. Are we going to be having some budget workshops for the 25
26 budget? Probably. Okay. Just wanted to ask that question. Thank you. Is the cut off time in October? I think we have to get all that done. November. November. October. November. December. As long as we're done by Christmas.
Excuse me. Are you joking, ma'am? Are you joking? Well, I thought that's when we had to have it done by budgets. It'll be September. When When is it? Oh, September. September. John, it was around September. 30th. Somewhere like that, right? 30th. Yes, ma'am. I was
pulling the clerk's leg. And does anybody else have anything they like to discuss with us? Okay. Uh first item is uh approval of the minutes for June 17th. I make a motion that we'll approve them
as presented. We got a motion. We have a second. Would you call the role, please, ma'am? Yes, sir. Miss Farah? Yes. Miss Bford? Yes. Mr. Chapel? Yes. Mr. Haney? Yes. Mayor Kelly? Yes. Thank you, ma'am. Um item two is um our Kingfish tournament request. And uh you have the
floor, sir, if you'd like to discuss what it is you're proposing. and council can put uh well first off I'm not asking for anything I'm here providing information and offering some services and some information I've heard you know
from our pier and people around the u people have talked about you know the nice new pier and and having a fireworks program would be really a neat thing to have down here um so what I'm proposing suggesting
bringing up that's been brought to me is the possibility of the city of Parker if they have an interest in it. I can bring a lot to the table for them and I'll I'll share that information with you. But it would be uh I think it would be pretty neat for the city of Parker to
have a community celebration which could involve these are all this is just me rambling, okay? could involve a a celebration of of activities with a somebody playing down there. We are going to have a kingfish tournament at
our marina. I could move the weighin down to the to the pier because people really like to see the weigh-ins. Um the uh Tendle Air Base would probably get involved with doing a flyby or something of that nature and then at the end of the event have have the fireworks
fireworks to display. The benefits um would be community relations, business relations, um city of Parker recognition, uh donations to the orphanage. What we would do rather we have a king fish tournament down at your place or our
place, we're going to donate any of the fish to an orphanage or some cause that could could have the benefit because it'll we can either sell a fish and donate the money or just donate the fish. um because most communities have some kind
of a uh event sometime during the year. I don't think that that we do here at Parker, but they do and there's nothing says you need to. Um problems that I would see uh parking would be an issue, which I
think number one, you never have a event like that. It doesn't have a parking issue. Number two, that park is huge and is really walking distance from the pier. So, if the county would be willing to let the the park be used for for parking or something, you could also do
some shuttling. So, that wouldn't be um there's no fireworks at this end of Panama City, which would be a benefit to a lot of people at this end of town. Um this would be a city of Parker event.
Um, I already have potentially three major sponsors that would I don't know that it'd fund the whole the whole event, but would certainly uh put a really big dent in it and I think the balance of it could be generated through
through businesses and efforts on community. So, I don't think the city would have to spend any funds to create such an event. speculation there. Um, I checked in on the cost of fireworks.
They run about $1,000 a minute, so this would not be a cheap event, but the sponsors that I've got, you know, pretty significant and would be willing to spend a pretty serious amount of money. Um, what I would see the process being
would be to because a year in advance it would be to My recommendation would be if there was an excuse me an interest is uh immediately um
solicit people local people whoever would willing to participate in a couple of committees. One to organize the event and two to to help with the marketing and to help with the uh fundraising that for any additional funds that the that
the uh sponsors may not contribute to. Um, we'd need to start way in advance because there's a lot of approvals that would make or break this event. Um, we'd need to seek approvals from the air for the airspace to be able to have fireworks at that time. We would need to
have uh if we wanted any involvement and they were willing to from Tindle. They require a lot of time to get approvals for those kind of things. um we would need to get approval from uh I guess it would be the county to be able to use that park for parking in
that that event. Um sponsors for the kind of money we're talking about would always like you guys talked about ear earlier they would want to put a have a time to budget it into what they're doing and also there you know there's a lot of competition with that. So, the sooner you could get started to reserve
things if you wish, like food trucks or uh things of that nature. You know, I'd want to, you know, try to get a uh big head start on that. My position would be I would be happy to be involved with it. I'd be happy to lead the
charge. I'd be happy to sit back and do nothing. I'd be happy to. I'm just telling you what I could do and what I know and and what would be available for uh where we could contribute to make this happen. This would not be a Pier 98
event. This would totally be a city of Parker event. It would probably be City of Parker fourth first annual Fourth of July celebration with sponsors, whoever the sponsors would be. Coca-Cola is one of them. We would be one of them. Um,
United Reynolds is would probably be one of them. And you know, I haven't done anything to really solicit it. I've just in passing conversation, hey, what do you guys think about this? Oh, yeah. We, you know, so, so at any rate, um,
so that's pretty much what I wanted to throw out there on the table to you folks and see what you thought about that, if you have an interest. And uh and I assume that I don't need a permission to have a kingfish tournament, but I saw that was on the agenda. And uh this has nothing to do
with me having or not having a kingfish tournament. We'd planned to do that before this combination of ideas came together. So that's it. Thank you, Mr. Blue. Coach Council, do you have any questions? Well, I kind of
looked into it a little bit. I knew was coming up. And uh I went down to the pier and uh where the old head station used to be. Right now the land's up for sale, but um I'm not too sure how long it's going to take to buy, but there's a
place there we could park if we could get permission from whoever owns that park. It's a pretty good size piece of land, maybe a half acre or so. And uh the other thing I looked into is because the
boat ramp um is not really deep enough or big enough for the big boats to go and launch there. But if they launch someplace else and uh that apartment complex, they got a um 10 or 12 spots
that there's only one sailboat in there for the past two years. And uh maybe we could work out something where uh people could come in on a Friday night and uh park there and and uh then go out in the
morning on the Well, I think that you would find uh the boats really aren't wouldn't be an issue because um they would they wouldn't be launching there. I mean, you might have somebody that would, but most boats would be coming in. The only thing a boat would do or have to do with that would be that
the dock out there, they would just pull up, weigh the fish, and leave. There wouldn't be no anchoring, no boats, no trailers, you know, it would just be outside activity. I mean, anybody, if we had a kingfish tournament, may go down there and launch a boat and park it whether this event went on or not, but
it's not a now that that that fireworks would surely create a lot of boats out on the water because that's the one thing when you go to these fireworks, you get boats. Yeah. It's a great place to be. you get the echoes off the water and and the reflections and so you'd probably fill up East Bay with boats. Um
I like it's a good idea. Um the idea of you know here again you're not asking citizens of Parker for any money or anything like that. So I think we ought to try it. See if it works. If it works great. If it don't work, well, at least
we tried and uh kind of get a like you said, get Parker on the map. It's surprisingly how many people don't even know where Parker is. You'd be surprised how many people come into our bait shop and say, "Hey, you going down to the pier?" "What pier? What are you talking about?" There's there's a a lot of
people think that it's part of the apartment complex, right? Um it definitely would You're right on that. It would definitely open the eyes up of a lot of people what's going on down there, but that may not be something that Parker wants. You know, they may not want a lot of activity. I I don't know. You know, I'm just offering to to
help if to do whatever Parker wants. I think we ought to try it and see. And u you know, it don't hurt to try one thing and see if it works. If it don't work, then you don't have to do it again. Several of these things may terminate it really quick. you know, I mean, we'd
need several approvals, which we'd go after right away and budgets for the for the financing, you know, and we might find out real quick that we run into something that would stop it anyways, but but if it didn't, I think we could pull it off. Hey, don't get me wrong,
there's going to be issues, but I I'm pretty confident that we could do a good enough job with it, everybody'd be glad they had it rather than not having it all, no matter how much trouble we had with what we did. Anybody else? I think it's a great idea. The
only issue I have is the proh the parking, you know. I mean, the parking would be the the parking it would be. And you know, that park right across from where we are is huge. And it's it, you know, it's not the ideal walking this. I've walked it myself, you know, at times. So, there's a lot of people
who walk there. There's also the potential of people volunteering, doing some shuttling back and forth. And a lot of people are going to come by water. boats are going to be out there. Yeah. Ones that'll be visiting will be coming to see it, not not them coming to park. Yeah. And the other part is you can see
fireworks from a mile away. So it's you know it's Have you ever been to the fourth on the 4th of July went down to that boat launch at that time of day you're going to shoot fireworks off. You ever been down there before? Have I ever been down there? On the 4th of July. Not at 9:00 at night. I haven't. No. Okay.
Well, that's usually when all the boats are coming in. You add fireworks to it. You had a bunch of drunks to it. I don't care. It's going to be a mess. Hey, it's you guys. I'm not asking for nothing. This is ridiculous. In a position to really help you guys if you want to do it. There's no There's no room for this
kind of agenda. There's no room. There's no parking that this be it'll be a big cluster. Don't say there's no parking. There is parking on somebody else. Yeah. you have, you know, you got that uh apartment complex down there for a
one-day event. I don't know why they wouldn't allow us to uh have parking there. Maybe not inside the gate, but over where the office is. Uh there's all kinds of parking there. I I mean, I don't think that's a stumbling block. Me
personally, I mean, I could discuss it with my husband, but if it's just a one day thing, if somebody can figure out shuttle services, we have a whole open piece of property on right across the street from I mean, I wouldn't mind people parking there. I'll open my whole I'm I'm right across
the street from where the LE is. I have that whole entire open parking lot. The church will let us use And the church will let us use their parking lot. Yeah. And you know, there's somebody who's not going to get a parking space as every you know, it's just it's going to happen. Then the question is if it doesn't cost the city money and the and
the question is if are they better off some people getting benefit of it that again for me personally I would be better off with a kingfish tournament weigh in at my place. That's where my traffic and my people would become. My willingness to do that would be simply
to it would really fit really nice with the event and create the activity and and draw the people. Um, that's probably a better idea. That's probably a better idea. We we could probably park at least a hundred cars down there at the park.
Have to use the grass area, but um there's there's probably enough room to park at least 100 cars and I'm right caddy corner from the park. What about the mom and pop family that wants to go down and launch a boat, go across the tendle, watch fireworks from there, wants to come back at night, blow up,
and that's it's that takes away from people have been using that boat launch for years and years and years for the same situation. Yeah, but we're talking about a one-day event. We're not talking about Fourth of July. Yeah, that's a one-day event. Most people take the boats out. And in the
same sense, there's multiple other boat ramps, too. There's literally one right around the right around the bayou in Donaldson Point. I mean, we could do it at Donaldson Point boat ramp, but I'm sure they wouldn't like it either. So, it's a kind of tit for tat situation. You got
Panama City boat ramp. I mean, you got multiple boat ramps. It's one day. I mean, if you advertise it well ahead of time, people plan on it, they can they can make plan. I mean, it I don't know. It's Hey, I think it's a great
idea. So, again, I think it's worthwhile trying. Yep. I would bring up though with your lease with the state, you'd have to get their permission not only for an tournament, but you'd also have to get their permission uh for
fireworks. Well, as he said that that's why we would do this a year in advance. uh there may be things that we encounter on this journey if we decide to do this that negates our ability to move forward and that could well be the what the park
is designed to be used for. But uh you know if I I'm of the opinion that anything that's good for Parker is good for me. So if it's good for Parker, I'm going to support it. It's not good for Parker and I won't support it. Well, I
say get some people together and kind of go first thing would be with the state to see that' be the main thing first thing to find out there's several obstacles you you'd have to come through quickly and then like you said earlier it may all end right there maybe make a list
and go down the list Mr. Bukot said that he would want to form a g a group of individuals who would organize and and check all those rules and regulations and document that. That probably is a course of action. I'm not wanting to do this. I'm just
offering my services to the city to do this. I would be glad to head something up. I'll be glad to organize. I'll be glad to lead it. But I'd much prefer a committee make decisions, you know, or at least certainly be part of the decision- making on what was done. Yeah. Um, and we would need the city to help
with with promoting promoting it and you know being able to use the marketing tool of the cities like the the weekly or the monthly newsletters and sign and it would be a you know this isn't about me or Pier 98. So what what do you think
you miss bear that we would get him to form a group and then see what they come up with and get a list of what starting with the first thing would be with the state to find out that no go then that would be you know be ended. Mr. Sloan has got a few things that we already
know are going to be hurdles and uh um well I think the airspace that you mentioned could well be a problem but they do have a firework display also. Yeah, I think it's a a matter that's why I want to get it, you know, why I would suggest we get a head start on it
because it may end really quick. Yeah. And if not, it's not something you want to wait until 3 months before and try to put it together. And I would say just allow them to at least look into it and see if it is something we can do because what happens when later on we all find out, oh, we could do that and then we done missed the opportunity, we have to
wait a whole another That's true. I got some good sponsors that I think will put up a lot of money. I don't know if they'll put up enough to cover it all, but but I know that they'll put up a lion share of it, if not all. I you know, I what I didn't I'm not in position to go ask them because I don't
know if you guys want to do this or not. My opinion is I mean, you don't know unless you try. So, I say the first thing to do is get up a letter and get a letter up to the state and find out from the state first and then go from there. I think that she's right. We probably
you probably have a group of people and even if we didn't have firework display or even and if all the fish were weighed at 98, it doesn't mean we couldn't have uh food vendors and bouncy houses and events down there at that end corner
because you can actually see Tindle's fireworks from there also. Uh there's, you know, I mean I support that we need to do something. We used to have we used to have fun days every year. We used to do it all the time. Every We used to be
over in that park and we would have such great days. Great day. This could take fun day to another level with the activity that could be created. Yeah. With this event. Yeah. It could be an annual event. Yeah. I would approach it from that standpoint. And if it you stop
it, you don't have to have a second one. If the first one's not successful, you don't have a second one. Right. I guess the only thing I would tell you is that um I wouldn't be willing to fund it. I would be willing to help you with it, but not fund it. And uh Wait a minute. Don't help me with it. Okay.
Well, I thought you were going to gaff it. Gaffer it. You know, you you'd be the one heading it up for us. I'll lead the charge if you want me to, but I'll be glad to help somebody if they want to, but I mean, this is And I like I like the thought of maybe the proceeds going to a charity like a
whatever whatever the charity is. It doesn't matter to me as long as it goes to something good. Yeah. with all the fish. There'll be a lot of fish from the tournament because the part of the the tournament rules will be that they donate the fish. And so, I will tell you, I'm not going to go into great
detail because I don't want everybody to know where the folks came from, but the last uh fishing rodeo we did down there, those children were just elated. Yeah. Elated. They just their day was a great
day. And uh I I'd like to see more of that. And I'd like to see people taking a lot more interest in those that in that type of event because a lot of them kids didn't have a fair shake and uh this might be something
that we could do to help them. There's all kinds of things that could be done with this event. Yeah. That's what the committees would be for to figure that out. Yeah. So, would would you be willing to form a committee of say 10 people, seven
people, and uh do the research and find out what you need to find out? Absolutely, I would. Well, what I would like to see happen is you guys put it out to the community if anybody would like to volunteer to be part of that committee. Okay. I don't want to pull it out of my folks. This needs to be Parker
and volunteer to be on the committee. Yeah. Yeah. I volunteer, too. So, Um, I can see three right here in this room that have already said that they would do it. It's $100 each. Clerk will collect your money.
Okay, I will do that. We'll put that in the newsletter for you. When's the newsletter next week? Quit saying for me, mayor. Okay. For your for me. For Parker. Did you say tomorrow? No. I said it's in process. The city of Parker is looking for people to form a committee
to assist Pier 98 explore exploratory committee. There you go. That's a good word to to uh that's why he gets paid so much and to help explore what we would need to do to make this
happen or something not necessarily this animal or one something similar to it. What do you think about that? I'm up for anything. When they come and weigh in at yours, they just pull up the way out and they're done, aren't they? What I would do is we might sink a piling with a
scale on it. That dock, not the big pier you built. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Somebody pull up there with a boat, have it pre-made with a tail wrap. So, they just hang the fish, weigh it, go on, the next boat comes in. It would be It would be fast and easy. And then the fish would be put into a cooler with
ice. And because they'd have Well, there'll be so many fish you could fill this room up. Oh, it'd be a lot of fish. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be good for And who do you think would take them off us? I'm sorry. Who Who do you think would take the fish? I know. I know for sure Tarpon Do. Commercial fisherman.
There's several people. Yeah. That'd be Okay. That'd be No problem. Chuck's in the business, so he knows, you know. So, okay. So, we'll put an ad in the in the flyer uh in the newsletter. When is that, Miss Bundy? I don't have a date yet. Okay. Might be a good idea to wait till Mr.
loan finds out what uh we can and can't do within the parameters. Before we start to do a letter first to do a letter. Yes, ma'am. Well, the committee is going to do that. They're going to find out if it's can or
can't do it might be maybe the committee find out that the state won't allow us to do it. Okay, but that's it. That's it. But until we know that, I think we ought to go ahead with it. Is your committee
going to hire an attorney to find this out or you want to go through Mr. Sloan? We're not going to go through Mr. Sloan and pay him. He's for the city. Oh, okay. I got you. Well, it still needs to be coming from the city of Parker if it's a city parker event.
But I don't think this is something you need an attorney for in the state. Agreed. I don't think this is something you need an attorney for. for about an hour. So, yeah, 20 minutes maybe. Um, I I love the idea. I think it's a great
idea. I would like to volunteer to be on the exploratory committee, and no disrespect to Mr. Sloan, but I think John, to your point, that is what the exploratory committee does. If we get Mr. Sloan involved, it's going to immediately start costing the city money that we don't have budgeted. So, we get people together. You put together a hell
of a list already. tend all things that I would not have thought about. You know where to get the weigher, you know, all that kind of stuff to do the the weighin if that's what works. But may I ask permission to put this in the Parker citizen tomorrow because we can post
that tomorrow that this is and and I'll I'm happy to run it by the council to say here's or Mayor Kelly or you miss Miss Bundy here's what the city is doing because I
see it as a great opportunity. Um I will say if the city's putting their name on something there's going to need to be a point of contact. I'm going to assume that might be me and my staff who fall into our kind of lane. Um, if not, they'll interject. Um, and so if you
want to do that, I think that is potentially a really great thing because it reaches a lot of people. Um, and if we could have the liberty of coming up with something marketing wise, have council look at that first. Right. But again, is that what the committee does so that your staff doesn't have to, as
he was saying, we get a group of marketing people together and say, "Here's what it is." We have the city simply approve it. Correct. That would be my rather let you guys organize it all, you know, committee. Yeah. Yeah, they do. Um, do we, you know, I don't
know that we need a liability release, but do we, you know, put some sort of disclaimer at the bottom of all the advertising, something like that, so that there's no um broader exposure to the city than there already would be, you know, I mean, if something happens at the beer, we're going to be held responsible anyway. So, that was just my
two cents there. Hey, good. Hey, I mean I mean it for what everybody wants across the street. So, yeah, I know. Now, do we need a motion to make it go ahead or? No, just No, he just bring it to us what he proposes to do.
Um, I think exploring first is a good idea. Like Katie says, this could all end on Friday. Next Friday, it could be over. They going to say yes or no or um there's a number of things that could
trip it up. Yeah. Sponsors um fire, you know, approval. the pier the I mean the state there's an I think the key the the park across the street for parking is an important part of I mean and that's the thing
there there there's a lot of whatifs in life but you'll never know unless you try so very good I'd say just try it out see what kind of answers you can find out and then we'll talk about at the end okay you guys just point me in what direction you want me
to go is all I can Okay. Thank you, Mr. Boltz. Item three, ladies and gentlemen, is uh ordinance 20 2025 426. Mr. Sloan, you have the floor. Yes, sir. Um
over the course of time it it's come to my attention and at the direction of the mayor I've prepared a draft of an ordinance that would for the permit applications that only go through the
city clerk. Some things were were uh needing to be evaluated that the clerk was beyond the clerk's expertise. Uh and in the Bailey wick of the city engineer.
So this ordinance is intended to um basically for those permit applications that are that are minor developments, they would they would go to the city engineer uh and be subject to the city engineer prior approval before the
issuance of of that permit. Well, what are we talking about? minor developments. I mean, well, the if it goes to the if it goes to the city engineer, it's going to cost them what? $1,500 a person to go
through the city engineer. Is that what the city engineer charges? What the city engineer charges? That's about what the city charges. This is what you collect, isn't it? I think so. 1,500. They collecting it already, Tanya. The the minor developments are on
that first page. They already collect that. If you go build a house and you bring it to Miss Bundy, you collect $1,500. So, single family detached residence is one of the items on that list. Construction of the dock or seaw wall
not required to be considered by the council. Pods, conaxes, those kind of things. That's that's the minor development of this. That would be So, what does the engineer get out of this?
I assume the engineer would be paid. Yeah, we'd have to pay him. I don't know what you'd pay him. It would depend on the job, the amount of work that went into it, I'm sure. So, somebody wants to put a dock in. That's not I don't think a dock would be
that wouldn't that be the state of Florida that would dictate the dock and service the dock? Well, one one that's not required to be considered by the council, right? council considers such things as commercial docs, multif family docks, those kind of things, right? Um
but that list on on the first page would be currently it's it's subject to the city clerk's approval or disapproval. Uh but sometimes there are things that have come up in the course of that evaluation
that uh that city clerk was not in a position to evaluate. So that that why I assume the mayor directed me to prepare this and so sometimes Miss Barl we have situations that say blueprints require reading. We
don't have anybody that can do that. When that account when that happens it's got to go to Miss Moore at Anchor Engineering to do the review and yeah you got to pay her. I don't know. It's I the way I understand it right now is they pay 1,500 to the city
and the cost of the engineer or electrician or APCI or whatever is taken out of that amount of money. And then if more money is required for all of those services, then the builder or the developer has to pay that to the city
because we're paying those individuals provide that service to the city. That's my understanding. For me, I don't think we should build some of the buildings that aren't properly engineered. I know we shouldn't. I know we shouldn't.
What What does our city planner do? He doesn't know how to read blueprints. I've never asked him, but I would hazard to say no. You wouldn't get a guy for 17, 18 bucks an hour that can read blueprints. That
just doesn't happen. What is the plan? What? I don't know. What? I don't know what his job description is. I'd be consolidating him in the code officer as far as I'm concerned. So a motion to read or what what is
this? If if you all are inclined to do so, you'd have a motion to read and it' be a first reading. Yep. And then if that motion passes and and the header is read, then have a motion to adopt. come
back. No, no, we come back in another meeting or second meeting and have a second reading and a motion. Yeah. Oh, well, I just really wish we' discussed this before we get in here and just give it to us tonight. Okay.
That's that's my thoughts. What would you what what would you like to talk about, man? You have the floor. Go ahead. Mayor, can I speak? Certainly. Mark, pretty good. 1503 Dober Road. Um
I I remember back in 2000 2021, one of the big reasons that we granted uh this authority to the clerk was because there were criticisms that um things were taking too long. And we recognized at that time that there was a third entity
which at the time was the EPCI that ultimately made sure that they met Florida code, Florida building code, things were proper. Uh at this time I think it's probably not a bad idea to consider segmenting this. In other
words, certain things that are much more complex, like for example, we know that Florida Environmental Protection gets involved when a dock is built because of things like seaggrass and things of of that nature. So rather than putting everything in one bucket, anything that
would be a minor development, because there are things that Kevin and Ingred certainly could do, things like um any shed over 120 square feet, I don't think we need to send that to Elizabeth or a carport. But do we need a full-time
employee for one or two of those a year? Um I would think that we could probably segment this to dwellings and anything with regard to uh seaw walls or anything with structure where there's complexity involved where there are blueprints
involved because there it does take a neck to know how to do that stuff. And it also takes a neck to make sure that there's at least seven different agencies when you're putting in a simple dock or seaw wall beyond a certain size, especially if it's sensitive waters
where you have to be looking at that making sure that you're not violating any of the state laws. So, but there's an awful lot of things that come into that are dimminimous that that are just beyond dimminimous that are still fall into the minor category that Ingred and
Kevin certainly could could approve. And I think I would start by just saying any dwelling because there are blueprints involved. EPCI absolutely has to, you know, approve any kind of a dwelling. So that's the problem we have right now, Mr. Rega. As I ride around this city, I
see homes being built, sheds being built. They're not engineered or even they're not even inspected during the construction process. If it's a home being built and EPCI approved it, then it it meets the Florida standard unless there's criminal activity going on.
Well, explain to me the one on um Arrow Street most recently that was 16 ft over the property line. Well, I would tell you that somebody somebody didn't inspect that properly. That's exactly right. That that's an EPCI, right? That's an EPCI. That's not Parker. Yeah.
I mean, it's it's it's whoever the inspection agency is. I think it was us. EPC. Well, if it's a single family dwelling, EPCI would have been required to inspect it. There are at least six different inspections during the building of of a dwelling. U and more
like nine depending on what you're what you're doing. Um you know, going from grade to foundation to structure to roofing, everything. So my my thought is if we go back to why we originally gave granted this to the clerk, it was
because we were being criticized for taking too long. And I get it. There are things that are much more complex in a minor category. But I would segment out probably things that involve docks, seaw walls, and dwellings. And then
everything else, carports, sheds bigger than 120 square feet, driveways, anything that holds a load. It's too much responsibility to ask Miss Bundy to be responsible to approve something that
holds a significant load. Yeah, that's way too much responsibility for her. But if but if it's a driveway um EPCI should be checking or whoever is going to be the inspection agency right should be checking to make sure that the thickness that the setbacks are proper uh things
of that nature. I anything that you know, driveways, like you say, small things that probably don't know because even though we collect $1,500 uh per month or per per item for a minor, anything going to Elizabeth
Group, we would then be paying them for, you know, anything they they peruse. And it's not about the cost, it's about getting it right. But I think that I think the risk is related to dwellings and sea structures. I think council, one of the things that I'd like to see has
changed in the land development regulation is everything that's built in the city of Parker, the fire department should review those plans before it's built. I saw I looked at a house this week and it's not going to be a house. It's going to be like a clubhouse, but it was
built on a hill. The angle of inclination is such that when the weight of the load ever changes, that house is going in to buy you. There's no doubt about it. Yeah. And so it's the fire department didn't get it. Never even reviewed it and that's an illegal structure then and EPCI didn't do their
job if they're the But we approved it. I asked Kevin, he said, "Yeah, it's good." Well, if the city approved it, it it you know, the plans still have to go through EPCI. You still have to build a structure that's safe, meets all of the code, uh, with regard to the Florida
building codes, meets all of the setbacks, the proper setbacks, and it it if it's being built incorrectly, somebody screwed up. And it whether or not we go to, you know, Elizabeth Moore, uh, you know, group approving something, those will still happen because somebody
screwed up. There was a weak link in that chain. That should not be happening today. We approve and then the development order gets approve gets done. It then those plans have got to be approved by Florida building code. if if they're then approved uh and EPCI is not
doing their job in order to properly make sure that that structure is safe and built properly to current hurricane standards that they look at soil content. They look at everything flood zones, setbacks, something got violated. It wasn't the city that was an
inspection issue. Anyway, my issue is if it's a dwelling or if it is a sea structure because of the sensitivity with environmental protection today, I think it's a good move. Have Elizabeth review it because she'll have more options there. But if
it's other things which are much more minor, you know, we don't care if a non-dwelling falls down, it's somebody shed. I'm not sure why you'd, you know, want to spend the money to I think that me personally, council, I would rather
APCI be more involved than to build inspections than they currently are. And if they can't do it, then we need to get somebody that can. You know, about uh eight or 10 years ago, we built a carport in our in our backyard. And for a carport, there were four inspections.
There were inspections when you dug the hole. They ran the ruler down to make sure you're deep enough. They made sure that you had proper piling with Then they came back when the when the roughin was done. Then they came back when when the roof before you put the shingles on. Then they came back when the shingles
were on and there were for a carport. That's good. So what I'm saying is if something like what you've described has happened and it was built improperly, somebody at EPCI is not doing their job. I don't know if switching it over to
Elizabeth would would change that because EPCI is still going to be the inspection agency. They're just going to look at the plans and those plans have got to be proper and we just approved a lot split that shouldn't have been approved.
Okay. But that was just today discovered it. It's every day. Every day. Yeah. We're not meeting that goal. We're not meeting the goal. This future growth of the city of Parker is we need to make sure we're on our agame every day. I
could drive you guys around the city. Yeah. And I could show you 10 that I've just glanced at that I asked about this last two weeks. And again, my my issue is just uh I think we could segment it. I think dwellings and sensit sensitive issu structures like sea structures
could probably meet this this need save the city, you know, whatever cost it might be to go to the engineers. And then other things that don't that aren't as critical, non-dwellings, sheds, things like that, which may still fall in the minor category, could probably
still be approved by the planning and because years ago when I built my carport, it did not require a uh a blueprint. It required drawings and it requ and and things like if you're using, you know, structured, you know,
roof structures that were built by another company, you had to show what the what the requirement was to EPCI for approval. Right. And what were your concerns, Miss Barl? Well, the I don't have a problem with the blueprints if it's something that's got to be blueprints on it. It's just I'm I agree
with him what he's saying. There's other little minor stuff that I mean it's not necessary for somebody to have to go through an engineer to put up, but I mean if it's got blueprints on it. Yeah. And and which the docks and stuff we really don't have
to approve that stuff. Isn't that done by D and the core of engineers and the EPCI? Yeah. So, I mean that but you know if you want to include that in there that's fine but I just I just think there are some things that's just well the list the the actual list of the
minor developments I misspoke is actually starts on page two. So those are really the the laundry list. Page one has the list of what the clerk is approving also that that the actual definition of minor development starts
on page two which would be those are those are your listings there. Yes ma'am. Come to the podium if you like. Thank you m Pat 1344 Stratford. Um, I completely understand and agree with Tanya's concern, but I did some
research in anticipating this. Let me find my notes. I apologize. Um, first of all, uh, I think I don't know whether uh, Mr. Rig said it or Mayor Kelly said it, but when EPCI does review something, as I recall and as I
understand it, not only do they have to pay, I think it's a,000, maybe 1,500. I just downloaded the app today. Not only does the money come out of that, but if the the um effort that they have to put in exceeds that, then the the council supposed to or the city is supposed to
have a way to build that back to the developer. Correct. And it specifically states in the um LDRs that the city has the authority to establish and adjust fees. Yes. So if a review is to be required, my question was going to be if
review is required to be done by Sue EPCI, who is responsible? I think it should be the developer. Um I think just throwing this out. Um because I had a deck built, submitted my application to have a fence put in, have a deck built, and I had a deck built. EPCI came out
and inspected my deck because it's way up off the ground because of, you know, I live on a slope and they also inspected my roof when they came out. And that was a a minimal what did I pay? 40 bucks, 100 bucks. It was four years ago for what I had put into into my
house. I never got bills more than that. Maybe I should have. I don't know. He wasn't there long, but you know, he there was a gentleman that did indeed come out. So, can can we go to EPCI and say, "Here's the kinds of things we're looking at."
Again, the more complex ones, maybe it'll have to be a per hour, it'll be a fee, but for a driveway for such a um such and such size, a building for such and such size, they're closing in
their garage. All they want to do is they're saying, "Okay, I'm going to close in my garage, but are they making that into a bedroom? Then it bec then it's residential. Then we're living in it." But what did they say? They simply said, "I want to take my garage door down and I want to put up glass sliding doors." So, are we going to make that
connection that it is actually a dwelling now that hasn't been inspected? Presumably, because I would sort of consider that a minor development. Um, so can we work with EPCI to establish base fees and then if there
are more complicated events or more complicated developments then whatever costs are incurred by the city that has to be passed along to the developer and the person knows that upfront. We have a communication piece. It's on the application. I downloaded the applications and look what look to see
what we have out there. Now all we have to do is explain that to them. Um, some of them for the minor developments. Uh, here's one for a hundred. Here's one for $40. Here's one for 350 to 150. It depends upon what it is. Single family home and addition. Back to your point,
that's a dwelling, but it is considered a minor development. $350 to $150. I don't know if that goes to EPCI or not. And if it does, is that enough to cover it? Um, back to Mr. Rita's point, many people,
planning commission, residents, uh, even the council have expressed concern and frustration sometime that we don't get timely response from EPCI. That's a problem. And as you said, Mayor Kelly, if they're not willing to do it, then maybe we need to look at somebody else. Or is there another firm? Can we get
somebody on contract, somebody with experience that can do it on a contractual basis, you know, a per fee basis? I don't know. Just things to think about. And then um if the um if the costs are not going to be passed along if this goes through I know
it's just the introduction the first reading it may or may not be adopted but if the c costs are not passed along when we do the budget for 2526 we need to consider the possible increase in fees for EPCI because I looked at the budget for what we have this year currently we have $20,000
sorry we budgeted $20,000 for the 2425 fiscal year when our actual for 33124. So that would be what? Halfway through? Yeah, halfway through the year. We had already spent 37,000 with engineering
fees last year. I don't know what we spent this year. Haven't seen the budget to see where we are, but we would need to consider that in the budgeting process. If it's going to be a pass through passed back directly to the builder, then the city doesn't have to worry about that. the city pays what the city pays for EPCI to do what it does
within that application permit andor if the city's going to build something like the the lean to out here the pole barn that we built, you know, to to make sure that that's done. I think it's a great idea. Um, I think it will
enhance the properties here. Um, and give a piece to, frankly, me as a homeowner that somebody came out and inspected it instead of the people that put up my deck because Lowe's put it up and they had to come up and redo it because the inspector said, "Oh, no.
They did this wrong." Now, I didn't hire Joe Joe Cool to do my deck. I contracted through debt through Lowe's and they still had to come redo it and EPCI was the one that caught that. And aren't you glad that they did? I am absolutely glad. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's why
when I saw this it's like yes because it and it puts everybody on an even field. And again if EPCI can't do it timely. We set up a time frame. We set up a procedure. We the city sets up a procedure to say here's what you do. You submit the application. EPCI you know it
comes into your office. you send it off to PEPCI within four business days, whatever. They've got a week to turn it around. It's not that hard. It's not like they're looking at a an East Bay Flats complex. That's a little more different. Or a um uh Mr. Santo's building. You know, I know EPCI went
through that because we had a discussion at the planning commission meeting that Mr. Santo was responsible for those expenses because it went back and forth and back and forth so many times. So, just my two cents. I think it's a great idea. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, Miss
Barry. You still have the floor. I'm sorry. I can't I don't have anything to say. Kate, nothing. Anybody? Ron, John, anybody? Okay. No, I'm bewildered. What do we go?
It's over. Well, if you don't have a motion to read. Yep. That's the end of it. Okay. Anybody on the council make a motion or second? All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank
you very much. What? You did ask. Okay. Thought you changed your mind, Rob. No, I do have something. Okay. I did ask the council to uh let me build a U
what I'm going to call a coffee bar out there underneath the pavilion. It' be on wheels so you can move it around. But um I want to start serving uh water and free coffee and possibly snow cones out
there. Um and I need something I need something to work on. So u I'm asking the council to let me build a it's not very big. It's 4 by 4x6
Lshaped bar that I have in mind. and uh it would stay out there and uh they had gatherings or something like that, they could use the bar to serve their Kool-Aid and stuff like that off of it.
But uh so I'm just asking the council if I can do it. Oh, wheels. You know what's going to be gone in two days? Chain it down. That's right. Well, I'll tell you what, we've got
Yeah, that uh project out there, we've got about $80,000 tied up in it already uh between the city and myself and u it's not getting used. So, I'm just trying to do something to enhance and
maybe get people to come out there and take a look at it. And uh what I'm looking for is people to start using it as for parties or whatever. Uh there is no fee fee to it. It's all free this
year anyway. And uh but but uh I talked to some of the people that walk in the morning and some of the people that walk at night and uh they would like a uh a a cup of water or bottle of water once
they got finished walking it. And u so I said, "Well, I'll ask the council if I can do it." And council says I can. Uh we'll start having water and coffee out there free. They don't cost you nothing.
So, but I I need something to work on. That's a good idea. I think we ought to let them carry on with it. So, what's going to be served at the bar?
He's saying alcohol can't be there because can't have alcohol on city property, but Water coffee. I mean, we do have picnic table. We got six p picnic tables out there already, eightfooters. Um, and then we got three
uh just tables to u put food on or whatever. And uh to me the bar would just uh be something to enhance the uh use of the facility. We need a vote on something like this.
You're going to spend city money. Oh, it's by city money. No, we're not spending city money. I I'm building it. So, you're providing the services and the materials? Yeah. Yeah. Not I'm not asking to spend any money in
the city. Lord knows I haven't already spent enough in the city, but uh So, do we still need a vote on it or can we Yeah, let's vote on it. I'll make a motion so we can I'll second it. We have
a first and a second. You call a roll? Miss Pharaoh? Yes. Miss Potterer? Yes. Mr. Chapel? Yes. Mr. Haney? Yes. And Mayor Kelly? No. Okay, you're up, John. Thank you, council.
Only thing I've got is uh had I talked to a citizen that lives on on Oak Shore and he was very concerned about the speed limit there. He said it's at 25 right now,
but I guess it's going to be an issue where he he was wondering if we could drop it down to 15 or so because, you know, you put a want to sign up for 25, everybody's going to do a 35. So you drop it down to 15, maybe get people to slow down a little bit so don't run a
kid over. So Tony might be here tonight. We could run it past him and see if that's a possibility or what. We um we're putting out speed bumps on Donald at Donaldson Point next couple of
weeks. Maybe what we do normally, we have a machine we can put down there, John. And the police can monitor the flow of traffic and the amount of vehicles traveling, what speed they're traveling. We're talking about Earl G. Earl Gber
Park, right? Yeah. Okay. So, we would then know how many if one car out of 100 was doing 25 and everybody else was doing 50, then yeah, we probably need some speed bumps. But what what would you propose that we put the speed limit
to? 15 is what he gentleman suggested at least from uh the end of the apartments towards the park the boat launch area. Yeah. Slow down where the apartments are, right? Chief, what do you think? Is that
something that has been an issue or I drive out three times a day and not Okay, that's that's during the day. I add it really has not been an issue.
Okay. You want us to put the machine up to measure this the traffic flow and the speed. That's up to you ain't got nothing better to do. Might as well. Do we still We still have a machine. I don't think the machine that machine is It's a pole.
It's like a pole you put down. Slow it down 15 right there where the at the end. That'd be okay. Where the last house is, maybe that's what I was thinking of. That would be that's where his complaint was coming from. Those houses on there. Yeah. Well, you think
somebody's doing 50, they're going to slow down to 15 when they get there. Okay. Try it on 10. We'll see what happens. I have one thing. Okay. Um, I know we hadn't talked about the CRA money or any what we got or anything like that, but
um, I would like us to look into it and see if we got enough money that we can try to get a a city hall sign back down there where the hurricane took it out right down there on the corner where it tells where put that in the next year's budget because money was all spent on the road
resurfacing. Well, anyway, budget for 2526 and just be in there public works money. Well, I was just saying figure out something about putting that sign back up. It's been gone since the hurricane and at least people know tells them come
where to come. Was here. He would tell you that we had a little bit of a surprise today. We got about a $90,000 break in one of our lift stations that we've got to replace labor and materials.
So that would be nice to have that sign back down there. But if I had How much you think it would be? I have no idea. I paint cars. I don't do signs. The last for my company when I've moved to Millville was about 10 grand for a sign.
10,000. Yeah. How about we look at it and see if we've got the money to do it? Well, if we look just try to find out what prices that they, you know, what the price range would be for something like that to put back up there.
I have no idea. I don't even, you know, that one was up there forever and ever and ever, but we haven't had one since the hurricane. So, I just thought it looked a lot better. At least a lot better. You're right. Somebody know where to go to whenever they come.
Okay. Anything else? Anybody? All right. Thank you for your time.