we ready we'll call the meeting to order thank you for uh coming everybody we appreciate the fact that everybody's interested in what we do here in the city of Parker we'll start with an invocation and then we'll ask an to go ahead and lead the Pledge of Allegiance
okay stand for the invocation please Heavenly Father uh grant us your guidance as we make decisions in this meeting illuminate our minds with your wisdom so that our choices May align with your perfect will in Jesus name name amen and would you lead theedge
thank I pledge allegiance to the flag flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liy and justice for all thank you
man ingred would you mind doing a roll call please absolutely Mr Hall here Mr Merritt here miss powering here Mr Striker is absent and chairman R yes yes thank you very good everybody get a chance to review the
minutes for uh both meetings in February all right uh I suppose we can approve them both at once as long as there are no changes uh do I have a motion for approval or any changes I make a motion to approve the minute the
minutes as written very good can I get a second please second it very good Madam clerk can we get a vote please absolutely um Mr Hall yes Mr Merritt yes power powering yes and chairman R yes and thank you uh nice summary quick and
to the point really appreciate it very good ladies and gentlemen at this time we'll ask if there are any uh items that you'd like to bring before planning that are not on the agenda for this evening if not we'll get right into uh
right into the two agenda items then do we have a Mr mconnell here Mr McConnell would you come up for us here uh because we do have people that are listening rically Mr McConnell if you don't mind would you give everybody sort of a summary of what you're trying to do here sure thank you uh my name is James
McConnell I've got a piece of property over on the cold Drive uh I'm seeking to divide that property in half to build uh two separate single family houses on it um I in the last meeting I asked the that it be continued to to this meeting
to explore uh proper older property plats to see if there was a uh uh a plat that had already been segregated in in the different lot lines yes sir I was not able to find that the the the original
wh Parker plat did not include that particular area uh so that was why I'd asked for the continuation so I'm back to the original uh request to uh split the property in just in half as as it's outlined on the highlighted survey in
half so uh did you want to make it into four separate uh so it's a it's going to be a it's one large parcel right now yeah the rules within Parker identify that if you have three or more it you follow the rules however you could do a short plat I mean the State of Florida
recognizes a short plat that's not as extensive as a long plat uh the short plat because you're not building a road you're not naming a road you're you're probably not going to have to put in you know certain things like certain utilities that may already be on the road
uh that might help you out a little bit the one thing I think we had talked about was if you had separated the parcel or segregate it so that uh it was one parcel and then 3/4 of an acre that would allow you to you know what I'm
saying so that way you could build that one home there let's let's assume that parcel number one and then and then at a later date then go ahead and separate you know parcel two but it it doesn't matter you could could essentially do that I didn't think about that it it
you're not having to build a road the the big difference between a short short plat and a and building single family homes is not all that big of a difference typically the the uh the approvals get done uh much sooner with a short plat uh so uh if if it's probably
better if you go to the uh Property Appraiser's office now with how it's going to end up anyway but just recognize that it'll be under the rules of uh of a subdivision at that point but they're pretty straightforward and they're not not that difficult I think
that's what we were trying to convey the first time in section five I think it's 510 is that right uh ladies and gentlemen 510 uh for Parker yeah I think if you go right to section 510 that's where you're
going to go ahead and see the you know the steps you have to take but the because you've already got a road you're not naming a Road you're not creating the road uh you're just creating the division of the properties right there should be relatively straightforward okay yeah so the reason I asked you what
you wanted to do is because the the application shows that you just wanted to split it into two but I see four parts I see four Lots one parcel separated into four lot and that's what you want to do right uh that okay so
that is what I wanted to do originally uh just for instance uh as you can see the the four lots that are actually separated it looks well I guess they're in other words the property behind it I was wanting to continue the lot line straight across my property was what I
was wanting to do uh originally then I found out that we couldn't do that without going through a pretty big process but now you're saying the process may not be that big so you're give me the option of of today uh splitting it and just creating
one lot in other words one of those and then so I can go ahead and build a house process do the other three yeah this is what we're we're kind of having the the the thought before uh so you have 1.02 acres of land and I'm just trying to
save you some money save you a little bit of yeah that's great so if it were my property and again you do whatever you want to do but if it were my property what I and it looks like you want to turn them into four eventually turn them into four quarter acre lots
correct and you're not violating any rules you're certainly above the the minimum lot size uh at 7500 sare ft I think you're going to be like 8,800 8900 Square F feet when you're done so that meets both the density requirement and
it also meets the requirements for minimum lot size so if it were me and I just wanted to build a single family home and then move on to the next one and you've already got a road and uh in order to keep it uh you know shy of the subdivision standard which again isn't
all that that big of a deal other than you got to name the subdivision officially do that Etc um what you could do as an option is you let's say you're going to build on parcel one which is the one right up against the two homes right here right what you could do is
you could divide the land right there into one quarter acre lot and then 3/4 acre and then sometime in the future when you want to build the next one slice off another quarter acre and do that okay that way you you're you're only creating two lots and you're not having to go through the
heartburn if there is any of having a subdivision I got you okay that's a great idea no one's ever told me that before thank you I think we were trying to get there before but we were kind of working with it on the Fly I got and uh but you've got the youve got the land so
would you revize to the group what you want to do today okay so that being the case I would like to split just that one section of one one4 acre okay and then leave the other 3/4 of an acre uh to be uh developed at a l at a future date
okay yes ma'am for clarity are you looking to uh parcel one or parcel four which end are you let me come look at that if you don't mind I don't know so here's ni cold
drive so I I would say this one right partial one yeah is that the one the one the one uh uh to the right of the cold drive at furthest to the right if you're standing if you're looking at the cold
Drive look to the right that right there okay paral one on so it is partial one okay all right very good so I'll only ask that you do one thing when it goes to the the council members for clarity would you redraw that just by showing
that that's going to be a quarter acre split off and then there's going to be three that will make it a little greater Clarity it'll be easy for them to do the math and see that you're you're under the density and the minimum Lots side standard okay so so so I so I can redo that that that survey and then bring it
back down here to you guys and it won't need to come before us I think we're going to vote on it right now okay I got uh and and then but when you bring it to the council they're the governing body if you'll rraw that because the application identified that you only wanted to split the L which is okay
because what we're doing is exactly what your application stated right okay that's why it was a little confusing I think to to all of us because it showed four Lots but it ended up being sort of serendipitous that it went that way because that's what you're going to do in order to you know build your home
move on to the next one we got we visualized yeah exactly so um uh John we're not in violation of any rules here I mean we're offering some advice to the gentleman so that he can do it based on the standards required by the city and
and the state and all that stuff right right okay so we're we're fine so what I'll ask for is a I want to ask for any question any questions okay then what I'll ask for is a motion to allow Mr McConnell to divide
his property today to go on to uh the council for approval for review and approval uh into that partial number one and then with uh so he's dividing it only one time with a quarter acre lot which he'll build on and then three4 of
an acre lot remaining and uh and then at some future time whenever it suits his time frame he'll probably come back before us and ask for the next one and then the next one sounds great so uh what I'll ask is for a motion relating to a partial split uh of the parcel one
and then two three and four would remain uh one parcel and then of course you know you have to you have to take care of that with um you know the property assessor's office and and Bay County okay all very good so I'll ask for that motion I'll make a motion okay so we have a motion
on the floor that we're going to split the property as partial number one which is approximately a quarter acre lot and then Parcels 2 three and four will remain as another parcel another lot now within the parcel so we're only splitting at one time we'll end up with
two lots within the within the the parcel do we need to make it um for approval with with a condition that he updates the drawings yes that I appreciate that so and if we could ask you to update your motion which would
essentially say that by the time it gets to council for clarity that the um that the survey uh Tim or the uh uh yeah the survey ultimately be updated so that Council has a clear understanding of of what he's doing today which would be
partial one one and two three and four would be okay I'll make a motion then that that you revise the the survey to reflect the quarter acre partial one with the remaining three quarters uh still intact and when when will that Council when will it go before the
council well I think we have a meeting as early as next Tuesday no to not next we do have one but that one's full you're next available yeah will be uh April 1st April 1 there you go perfect day
so I'll I'll did I get a second on an's motion I second it okay very good can I get a vote please absolutely Mr Hall yes Mr Merritt yes M powering yes and chairman R yes and thanks for improving the city Mr M we appre apprciate you guys thanks for information I had no
idea now again check into that I mean if you you know you probably not done building in your career look into the difference between a you know a short plat and a long plat there short plats get approved usually immediately okay and uh you know it kind of helps you out
all right and it's not not a big deal the only real big difference in your case is you'd actually name it as a subdivision do that through you know the Bay County uh through Bay County and uh because you don't you're not building roads or anything got then it makes
things a lot easier for you okay wonderful thank you guys very much you're welcome we appreciate you thank you sir all right and is um let's see here so is Mr forehand here as well Mr forehand how are you sir good to see you
again and Mr forehand same thing if you don't mind stating your name and where you live and then giving uh because we do have some people listening electronically uh if you'll give us a summary of what you're wanting to do that would be appreciated Jerry forehand I live in Callaway
10005 South Kimber 32404 uh I want to uh take two lots I own both houses at one time last year I sold 4936 East business 98 and I still own
4932 East business 98 when I sold 49 36 I took a line because of the trailer behind it and I just joined that line all the way actually a Tony's fence uh on the back and so that gave me a a lot
with the taking I think it was 13 ft off of the house I still own uh gave me 53 ft somewhere around 53 54 ft and I want to build a single family home on that but your your application today is not for
the single family home it's only to it's only to combine the L to combine okay um do we have any questions for Mr forehan yes sir what do you know what the approximate lot size is of each uh uh let's see I think it's it's going to
be 53 by I think it's 150 let me give you some specifics I think they're on see if it's not um it's a good question an because it was the uh it's a thing that we're going to struggle with here today so one of them
is 36 by 150 and it's 0.123 acres and the other one is 055 acres and it's 16 by 150 um and I know while you're asking the question it's a good question so Mr forand the what she what she's getting
at is that uh there are two rules for and this is in a single family low density residential area there's there's two rules to determine the lot size that can end up one of them is a little misleading because it says the minimum
lot side and a load lot size in a low density residential area has to be 7500 Square ft but the other one is the density ruling and we have to be very careful we don't violate either of those because the State of Florida is saying that you must be true to your districts
and uh the State of Florida and and because our comprehensive plan and our Land Development rules identify that um you can only put five uh dwellings in a one acre parcel of land if you do the
math on that it's uh essentially an acre is 43,560 Square ft you do the math on it it works out to about 87 or 8,800 Square ft so whereas you and and the reason you could
actually be compliant on both of those would be let's say you ended up with4 Acres okay you could build two homes on 04 Acres you could take one of them and make it like 9500 Square ft and then you'd be left with about 7500 Square ft
with the other one as long as you started with that and then you could build those two homes well I only want to build the one yes sir give them a bigger backyard I'm just giving a reason for why we have the density Rule and then the minimum lot size rule in terms
of why this is outside of that compliance so what we have is is you have two smaller parses of land that when you combine them you meet the requirement for the uh minimum lot size but you do not meet the requirement for
the density ruling and it's not you're not chipping it off of a larger segment of land and then making one 7500 and the other one 8,800 or eight you know 9,000 square feet so what we're strugg what we're going to struggle with here today
and no matter what we we're an Advisory Group no matter what we say you could still take this to council and ask if uh if they would be willing to do it but you'd have to file for a variance now okay because it's a variance away from from what the Land Development rules
identify in terms of density and and we don't have a request for a variance here today we just have a I didn't think I needed one well you don't in order to combine the land I'm just and right you can combine the land and we can vote to do that today okay where I'm talking
about is when you go to the next step and you've got point one two three acres combined with 055 Acres you're short of the point of the of the um uh 02 Acres that you need in order to build a single
family home for from a density standpoint we can say it's okay for you to um combine the property but what you're going to end up with unless you file for a variance and it gets approved by the governing body you're going to end up with a property too small to
build a single family home on it so you you could do that and take your chances that the May and the governing body will ultimately say it's okay because you meet one standard but you fall short on the other one but I'm just telling you
that upfront okay we are not violating any rules by saying to you you can combine the property I'm just trying to help you down stream right well even even if you give me the okay I know I still got to go before the the commission and but the way this I don't
have to do a survey prior to that see that's one thing no it's already been surveyed yeah but I haven't been combined I think we have a copy of the survey do we not you probably do by my math sir I'm getting a078 so you're pretty close to the 02
that that I think Mr R is referring to and I I believe I understood you to say you borrowed from from 4932 a little bit of that to to get what you needed is there any more that you can borrow since you own that way well I
and and without shrinking that property I can B two more feet that's uh that was just my question it would eliminate I think it would address the issue as long as you haven't left your existing property yeah too small well I think
that puts me about 5T from the other house that's okay because that's okay as long as the the lot line of the new building is still 7 feet because that's a side she's talking you're talking about a side all you got to do is be S ft from that when you build a new house
it's going to be a long skinny house anyway cuz you got uh you've got um well it might be a 28 by you know 40 something like it yeah yeah um but that's a good suggestion so what we could recommend uh what we could do it
my hitch in the getalong is in your application you identified that you wanted to combine them for the purpose of building a single family home we can today we can say yeah it's fine for you to combine the property
okay but not for the building of the single family home until that other issue gets solved okay okay uh so um that's that's where we're at yeah and uh and the other thing too is rather
than taking more property from uh that was a good suggestion and by the way uh rather than taking more property from that other one you could the other option you've got is to take your chances with um the council members to see if they're
willing to allow you to build that home because there would be a benefit to having another single family home in the in the city of Parker um but it you wouldn't have to file for a variance and pay the money if you could take her suggestion and make it happen so as long
as you end up with 0 2 Acres as opposed to the0 178 not going to be a whole lot more um then you're you're okay now I have to I have to back up so were you saying that if you move the property
line I can't move it uh East okay cuz because I'm on the property line there you are the house to the west of it is the one I own 4932 32 the larger one on the left that is 87 ft across I think is what I'm seeing now that's only if you
move the whole property line over you could put it you could do a cut out there you only need two point 022 02 thank you man she was a could you tell she was a banker um that you only need 02 you could do a cutout in that
backyard and then then you don't have to deal with the issue of it being a variance and it' be a nice place to put a shed back there in that little cut out and as long as you own the other property it's not going to not going to affect anything I can see that uh so far as the house itself I
can't the house will be built right level front Frontage with the other two but so far square feet I can go over 5T you know for for where the house isn't where it's not too close to the existing
houses you got to leave at least 7 feet from the property line to the because you know but that's what I'm saying if you look at your picture that you provided us you could do a cutout this is your property here right this one here yes this one here what I'm
suggesting is you do this right and that that yeah we put a nice little shed back there and that's all you need I mean you're only talking about what's uh what's the what's well eventually that's going to get sold too yeah you so you're I think you're only
talking 900 square yeah 900 square feet gives them the extra 02 right yeah or 0 22 so 900 square feet so you're talking about an area that's 30 by 30 so or yeah so you think you could do that I'm sure I would recomend commend you do that before you bring it to the council
because that way you don't have to you don't have to file for a variance okay and because a variance will require uh somebody to go out there and put a big old sign in your front yard and say uh you know you gotta this is going to be a variance and people will come and if somebody doesn't doesn't want it this
way there's no variances and you meet the requirs I can take I can take five fet all way across that that's five time 87 you know and make it run completely cross the back of that one still got plenty on the other one yeah nothing no
utilities nothing back there yeah and again it I hate to be a stickler in this deal except the State of Florida is very clear these days about municipalities sticking to and being true to their to their districts and uh and there's
nothing here compelling enough and unique enough for us to say it's okay but if you're willing to go ahead and carve out a parcel of land so that you end up with the 02 Acres you need mhm everybody's happy okay okay okay sounds
so what we could do today is let you go do that and come back or we could approve the the combining of the properties but I can't approve it the way it's written for the purpose of building a new house on it what I could
say is the motion would be we'd combine the property but you know that Mr forand well I can just I can redraw that myself all right you know there you go that's that's not a problem okay very good all right so uh the
motion then would be that before you bring it to council you'll end up with that 02 however you want to divide your property you'll end up with the 02 Acres as opposed to the 178 so that you end up with we don't violate any density rules
all right very good cool well that's well I'll ask for a motion then thank you Mr I appreciate you working that through with us ask for a motion sir that we approve it with the condition that he adds the 2 Acres as needed to the lot very good can
I get a second second okay very good and can I you need a moment to finish your notes you okay I'm good yes okay Mr Merritt yes Miss powering yes and chairman re yes and thank you Mr for appre thanks for improving the city we
appreciate it very good all right um and anything for the for the group not that comes to mind all right very good um ingred anything you need to tell us think I'm good I got a question for you
okay um so we just went through the whole ethics thing and uh we know that that has to be uh to your desk by the end of the March um you know for both the ethics as well as the meetings and uh there's one other one the four hours
the second one though is when are we supposed supposed to fill out form one I know that's an annual thing is that July I believe it's July okay would you do me a favor um okay would you for our next meeting
could you remind us when that has to be done okay and I know that we normally get that from somebody from Tallahassee that's a form one not form six the council members have to fill out well we're originally under the impression they had to fill out form six which is
much more inclusive this doesn't involve numbers it just identifies anything you own you know for ethics reasons to make sure okay John anything that you want to discuss with the group no sir all right Mr Merritt how about you good thank you
Mr Hall how about you I'm good I'll be out be out for work in April in April okay so next meeting uh next meeting okay very good I think Terry will be back by then all right well if we're done then I'll go ahead and shut the me
down thank you everybody appreciate it