##VIDEO ID:dr5gCDJny2o## all right we're going to bring the meeting to order ladies and gentlemen thank you for being interested in the inner workings of the city uh we're going to start off by having Terry provide our invocation following by the uh Pledge of Allegiance and then before we get down to uh other business and we will get on with the city business we have a new um planning commissioner that is joining us tonight we'll go ahead and have uh John go ahead and swear her in and then she'll take her seat and then will conduct business like normal where our clerk will then go ahead and include her in tonight's roll call all right Terry thank you our heavenly father we thank you for this day you have given us Lord we pray for the people in California that have been struck by the wild fires and just devastated we remember what that feels like and we pray that your hand will be upon them we pray these things in Jesus name amen thank you I pledge allegiance to the flag United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all thank you and if you don't mind coming up uh the center over here we'll have John go ahead and grab his Bible and swear in inside the loop or outside anywhere that you're comfortable and thank you again for your voluntary work you swear you will support protect and defend the constition government the United States and the State of Florida and D qualified to hold office under theti of the state and you will well and Faithfully perform the duties of Cl commissioner very good thank you an we'll have a Miss paling take her seat very good thank you an and that seat's got some adjustment going on there so feel free to very good Madam clerk can I ask you to take a roll please absolutely uh Mr Hall here miss powering here uh Mr Striker here Mr Rea here thank you and Mr Meritt is absent okay very good uh everybody get a chance to review uh the minutes that we were given I'll then ask uh for a motion uh or any changes that anybody would request I'll make a motion that we accept them very good can I get a second please I second very good can we get a vote Madam clerk absolutely Mr Hall yes M power ring yes Mr Striker yes and Mr re yes and thank you I saw you did a excellent job this is your first minutes I think and I love the way that it's summarized and direct into the point so thank you very much for that absolutely very good okay uh ladies and gentlemen um we have four things on the menu here today uh we have uh a couple of partial split uh requests uh we have a variance request now during a VAR request that is going to be a public hearing so we'll ask the applicant to come up uh we will ask our clerk to go ahead and swear them in uh and then anybody that wishes to speak regarding that variance request we will also swear them in as well uh once we're done with that we'll go ahead and we'll close the the public hearing uh and then we'll move on to um the final thing in the menu which is just uh regarding a uh a final application for plat approval okay um at this time I'm going to ask if there's anybody in the audience that would like to come up and discuss anything that's not on tonight's agenda all right very good very good all right we're going to get to item number one uh Mr frell are you here today he's not here he's not here are you representing him ma'am yeah okay very good um could you come to the podium please and uh state your name and and address we may have a couple of questions for you as in home address uh yes ma'am okay Elanor renier and my address is 112 row very City hi you R uh in relationship to Mr frell are you a business partner or something of that I'm their realtor so I just represent when they're not available okay very good all right um has everybody had a chance to review what Mr frell is doing in this uh second parcel of land and I know you you have not but Terry any thoughts uh Rich any thoughts what is the square footage of this lot is that the 15,200 oh this is this is 100 still this is uh Mr Ferell and I think um I think that's a just shy of an acre it's like 089 acres is what what I remember you remember last month uh we were looking at the first lot which is the one just north of that on the survey and that one uh we went ahead and granted the split and then Council will go ahead and and uh do their final vote on that as well in this particular case we have a lot that is8 n Acres so it clearly meets the density rule correct uh clearly identifies uh does doesn't violate any density Rule and meets the minimum lot size requirement of 7500 Square ft um because he's going to end up with two Parcels I think approximately um 42 yeah 0 42 yes ma'am now the one thing that's a little unorthodox uh is in this particular case he's got one street here 11th Street one property will be in back of another one but the State of Florida recently uh ruled that he has the right to do that particularly since there's a variety of different ways to create a uh a utilitarian access uh or an easement essent entally for the rear property um there's nothing in the state laws that prevent him from doing that um it is a little unorthodox but again you know it's his property so there's 204 to East I think is yes sir um what I believe he's doing is that easement is going to be um between the two properties right there so the rear property will use that in order to access the 11th Street uh Frontage as long as the fire department signs off on I think it's fine all right sir you have any questions here for young lady Rich good very good then I'll ask for a motion I make a motion to accept very good the second lot split very good uh Terry I'll ask uh for you to yeah I Wai and's a little green here so she's she's just read I was willing yeah go ahead all right perfect Mr Hall yes uh Miss powering yes Mr Striker yes Mr re yes please thank you thank you appreciate I had a question for you so um I remember in one of the emails they were talking about um this moving forward to next week's meeting so can you tell me a little bit more about that our clerk would have to answer that she actually drives that whole process with the council members that they're the governing body the ones that will make the final and actual legal vote uh but they'll see our recommendation we're an advisory councel at the governing board and then so next week's we'll include that the 512 and the 518 awesome very good and was that going to be for both of them it is okay very for both beautiful thank you so much welcome thank you very good is there is Mr lipsum here I here very good sir if you'll come forward and if you don't mind just so we were familiar with uh Mr Ferrell's uh because he had to us last month if you don't mind please provide us sort of a a summary of what you would like to accomplish here sure um first off I'm Richard Channing lipsum live out on the west end of the beach um I've recently purchased a parcel on 9th Street which is two lots that originally had 50 ft they were originally this was originally 130 I Believe by 150 it had had 50 cut off of it many years ago and I don't know if do you each have a copy of the cover letter that I originally wrote with mine yes okay so you've got some ideas there um this currently is two lots but it is set up as one parcel what I would like to do is split this into two parcels and then build a house on each of those ladies gentlemen any question here Mr lip gum is my math right that'll be 6,900 sare ft that is correct if we do this the two lots will be under your 7500 Square ft or 7 yeah 7500 uh minimum so I would then have to apply for a variance um there are this would now be 6,900 Square fet the house that is directly behind it is on a 6900 ft lot there are others in the area it wouldn't be unused usual but it would still require the variance so this is my first step of a two-step process Mr lipam uh there's actually two variances that you would require okay um there's both it would violate both a density requirement and a minimum lot size okay um this is I'm assuming that this is uh low density uh residential correct area single family house three bedroom two bath 1400 feet yeah so just be aware that that's what we would be uh wrestling with yes uh because um in uh low density residential areas um what we have average acre is 43,560 square feet if you divide that by five you come to around 8,700 square fet right so um it and what the city of Parker has stated uh for these areas is that if you have an acre of land you you can have no more than five Parcels on that you know actual dwellings on that property okay that's the concept uh in order to maintain property values and some of the other things that are uh concerned with that particular low density residential area right so then there's the second piece of that and that's the minimum lot size at 7500 Square fet so both of those would be requiring a variance because uh you you'd be harming the the density ruling right and then and then the minimum lot size and some people may say well how do you how do you how are there two of them let's say you've got 04 Acres you've got enough now to have two different dwellings um one of them can be 9500 Square F feet and then the other one can be 7500 Square F feet that's how you divide it right and and still don't uh challenge the density rule with the city so just so you're aware that there would be two variance requirements um my concern would be if if if let's say that these folks here say it's okay to go ahead and divide the land you may very well be creating two unbuildable lots right it's my now and this is low density residential not mu1 or mu2 right I am not positive on that I think uh I think it's low density residential anybody get a chance to look at that I did not what's the address there 706 North 9th Street correct oh 9th Street that's low density residential okay um yeah I'm I might ask you to just review this again because right now it's perfect for a I think you've got 31 acre so you're if you're close like let's say you're 39 you know generally the concept of the law is being adhered to because we're we're we're not that far off right but we've got almost 25% less than than is needed because of the density ruling right and um the things that these folks have to be concerned with and we're it's part of the motto that we have is to do no harm to our neighbors and I know that you had said that there's another one already there that may have been occurred before the rules were in place right and I do not know the the DAT of construction of that or when that section was cut off yeah so what we're dealing with right now is just those two things our goal as advisory is to re is to sort of be black and white to sort of look at things in that in that light and then advise the uh governing board the council members in terms of does this meet the rules or do they not or are they close right and I think rationally we'd have to say we're not close because if we're creating two 6900 square foot Lots where a minimum would have to be 7500 and that would only be if you started with 04 Acres um so we're we're missing on both of those pretty hard okay um those are my thoughts okay um and and when we do there's other things that these folks have to be concerned with and I'll just share some of them with you if you'd like sure um the State of Florida has and the and the feds have what they call Supremacy rulings and uh recently uh what's occurred is uh local government Conference of planning and Land Development regulation act otherwise known as the growth management act it's probably come about in the State of Florida because Florida is the fastest growing state in the country right now because we saw what happened with Co we saw would happen you know prior to that because of other things and as a result of that what they're doing is they're saying to mpali uh any municipality townships cities if you have a comprehensive plan and you violate those rules we might penalize you in terms of how much money we're going to give you uh for other projects whether it's a FEMA project or things of that nature so these folks have to be concerned about that sort of stuff um again if we were close and if we could say it meets the spirit of the law because we're close right then I think in good conscious we could probably do it my personal opinion is we're we're further away than that okay so I you're encouraging me to withdraw this application for a lot split well I'm I'm just you know the the simple reality is that's a nice area you talking about a very nice area and and uh and a single home I mean you wouldn't require anything putting one home on that property uh because you got the space it's it's third of an acre uh doesn't violate any any rules you're not going to have to come you know to ingred or the council for variances right uh but when it when you try to turn it into two all of a sudden all kinds of red flags start going you know and uh and again it's uh I would just and I know you're a builder I know you've done some things out on the beach right is that what you and some here in Parker and thank you for improving our city this one might just be outside the jaws of what what we could stomach at this point and and again if we were closer uh for example like I say if you had 38. 39 but we're we're far off that Mark well based on that let me just withdraw this request okay and I can move forward my thought when I first bought the property was I might be able to split this or I might not if I can't I'll just build one house well and it'd be a great and quite frankly it'd be a that would be a better project for whoever ends up buying the home and uh uh you know probably aren't going to be I know two single family homes and smaller Lots would probably Garner more income for you but at the end of the day we have to you know we have to apply these rules sure they would also be more affordable and that's one of my focuses is trying to build houses that are affordable yes um but there again if if I can't split the lot or if it's going to be problematic then I can the interesting if you do look at the affordable housing act that was signed into law uh early in 2024 um interesting enough the one District that that does not apply to is low density residential areas you can do all kind you have all kinds of flexibility in mu1 mu2 and other districts even commercial districts but for some reason uh the state has decided to leave low density residential alone uh and uh it allows the municipalities to maintain whatever rules they put in place for those areas and I think it's generally because if you look at most people's comprehensive plans it involves protecting your neighbor no matter what you do if you build a home you can't flood your neighbor out right if you're doing something that maybe you know maybe you got a guy with a seven or eight 000 foot home and then two smaller homes right next to it you may be harming their their property values um the the other thing too is the character of the area uh is is what they're they're concerned with as well and I know you said you had another property there already uh but for these other reasons I think it might be a challenge okay thank you I appreciate your your understanding absolutely thanks for your explanation in your time it's my pleasure thank you sir very good um John because it came before us are we still obligated to vote if uh Mr lipsum is withdrawing his his request you stated on the record that he's withdrawn his request so we do not have to vote I would say I would think yeah that would be the case if he I I didn't hear him specifically state that he was actually Mr lip so I think I think I heard you're withdrawing your request I do officially withdraw my request for the lot is that is that okay very good thank you sir appreciate your your thoughts very good all right let me find our next item here sorry guys I lost my here it is okay uh this was an application for variance so uh I am going to go ahead and open a public hearing uh is Mr or Mr Davis here Mr Davis yes sir very good so this is a a request for a variance to build a garage uh Madam clerk will you uh swear in the witness please absolutely do you swear and affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth perfect very good very good anybody have any questions uh for Mr Davis is this a lot attached to your house adjacent to your house no sir there's a little service road it's actually like like a community Road right and I tried to when I bought the land I try to merge it with my property at one9 right but you can't do it so that's why cuz I want to put a little garage back there yeah cuz we don't we don't have no yard in that little so we're going to make it like a garden fruit trees you know stuff like that you it's not connected to the property think we have the thing about you can't have yeah an accessory Building without a house without a principal because it's merge the two then yeah yeah I don't know is it uh Mr Davis is what what type of Road separates the property from your your home a dirt road and it's only for the there's like is it a public access yeah you can get in there but there's like a people go in there for their their houses there's two houses back there yeah and on that one side toward our house so there's like two houses at one house there and that's how they get in yes sir behind their house so so you want you want property here have a road separating them and then you own this other smaller parcel of land here yeah it's like a horseshoe the the road goes around it's like a little Community right down here yeah pitch and like a horseshoe goes around a service road what kind of um now the do you happen to know do you own Midway do you own Midway into that road this is this is I have no idea I don't know when I bought my uh when I did the survey it didn't say nothing about that I just did the survey for the lot itself I'm not sure about is it like an alley yeah it's like an alley yeah it's act like an alley it's like a public just like it's and it's it's part of the community okay the the reason I'm asking is because the state does a lot if you don't own the road then it's a challenge sure but if you if you own if if if that's a public access and your property goes Midway to the center of that road like it's an alley then technically you can do it because you've got you've got the garage area where you want to build a garage you've got a public access where the where the U your property line may come to the middle of the road and then you've got your property right where where you live where you have a single family dwelling if that's the case then you don't even require a variance okay however if it's not the case and I know yours is a low density residential area is that right yeah I don't know that is so um if you can determine where your property line if it goes into that it doesn't go in there I know that already it does not go into the we did a survey on the house and that land and it stops at the road okay is it a city road is it on the city M no it's not a city it doesn't show up on it doesn't show up on the map I thought it was an easement I'm trying to remember back when we had this discussion originally I thought was like of easement yeah yeah when they built them houses years ago before I bought mine of course 2002 it was like it was understanding but it was a community Road it had nothing to do with the city yeah yeah and I won't do nothing on that road because it's access you know for emergency or whatever I'm not going to keep touch that yeah so people people have to put their TR can up to you know the of the road yes ma'am the don't go in yes ma'am I'm just dealing with the state laws and and the state laws like I say they Supremacy rules we can't as a municipality we can't do anything that's more stringent than what their rules are and what the state does allow is uh there are certain roads that are considered public access roads where um the property owners own Midway into the middle of that road and the other property owner in your case you own both properties technically you could then build your garage okay however um actually you would have to first go ahead and join the two properties you'd have to merge them okay you'd have to combine them all right and then you could build the garage if you own to the middle of the road okay if if you know you don't then the um then the the issues we have are pretty much the same as we had with Mr lipam that is a lowdensity residential area and the requirement from these individuals is that you must have a uh a dwelling on the property before you can have accessory buildings that is part of uh the requirement uh for low density property low density Residential Properties and for that reason uh it it I don't I don't think you don't think we get the variance you know the variance I'm only going to build a 12 12 whatever 332t garage yes property is 3,2 223 square foot yeah only 10% of the property 07 yeah 07 it's not like it's a major footprint yeah and I'm going to make it just like the other houses it's going to be it's going to be nice it's going to be a vinyl siding going to have Windows it's going to have a metal roof I'm going put some money to it cuz I don't want to make it look ugly you know so it's going to be like a miniature version of the other houses I mean I have I have no doubt that you'd make it nice uh we're only dealing with the black and white issue of do the rules allow for a segregated piece of property that's less than 02 Acres uh and even if it was you'd still need to have a principle residence on it before an accessory building um I I did do a little looking into the state and the reason that the that the state is mandating this sort of a rule is because they do want to maintain neighborhood Aesthetics and I I know you're saying you'd build a beautiful garage and again I I have no doubt you would uh but they are concerned with property values preventing misuse of accessory structures like oftentimes people move into them um and there's a there's a variety of other things that are that are there um excuse me it's not going to have water or electricity it's going to be Standalone so there's nobody that can live with no sewers no nothing yes sir like you know it's just going to be because I don't have a place to store stuff so I can put my kayaks in there my wal in there you know and I absolutely understand but it it you live in a lowdensity residential area and you've got a segmented parcel of land that's too small to build um a a dwelling on and because it's separate from your where you do have your your dwelling uh the uh the comprehensive plan and also of the Land Development rules do say in that area in order to build an accessory structure you must have have a a dwelling on it already and again I was trying to go down that pathway of do you own to the middle of the road because if you did then that's kind of a loop we found when we were trying to help uh another individual accomplish their goal well I don't know who owns the road I really don't I mean I have no idea I don't know you might want to check that might be an out it might be something to look into uh because if if you if you own part of that road if you own to the middle of the road then it doesn't even require a variance as long as uh you're not you know you've got impervious if you check the impervious nature of the of what your property would be combined with this uh so you're not going to create too much coverage because in low density residential you can only cover 0 4% or 40% of the property yeah that's what that's what I'm saying it's only 10% of the property yeah yeah I'm just it's only one aspect of it but I think think what I would do is I would um uh I would probably see if you are partial owner of that of that road somebody's got own that road where would you where would you find that information at should be ined I don't see nothing how about if all the people back there there how many residents four oh there's more than that there well there all the way around I mean there's like like a horseshoe yeah so you got some on this side but it's the residents owned it yeah and all res all a lot smaller than 7500t so it wouldn't be unusual neighborhood I mean you know it would match because there's like small I don't know how they got a with back wind but and the rules might change but lots are big Parker Parker didn't become Incorporated until 1967 so you'll you'll actually see all kinds of things out there that aren't that don't apply to today's rules again it's it's really about protecting your neighbor it's about following the the state laws we're we're bound to doing that and um if you could look into who owns that road you may actually find that you you have deed you have you're deed up to the middle of that road where would you go would you downtown I might try the uh property appraisers Bay County Property Appraisers office and just see what they're saying are the actual lines I think Terry's right with regard to where your your your land is segmented where you can actually see see your property line um I just I I fear that if you if you request us to vote in this what we have right now we would most certainly be forced to to vote against it because you'd be trying to put an accessory structure on a parcel of land in a low density residential area that's too small to build anything and doesn't have a a a dwelling on it can I just something yes ma'am of course ma'am we come up here so that if there are people who are viewing electronically and they need to hear you as well I'm just I'm just wondering what you know accessory structure is or is is a gazebo accessory structure or yes ma'am everything like anything is yeah so you can't do nothing I mean you can own a piece of land and can't do absolutely nothing but mow it so the city don't have to do it is that how it work and pay taxes and pay taxes well if if you bu if you buy a of land that's 0.7 um and it's not attached to your your your dwelling um that's one of those things that most people look into before they buy something that small to determine what the municipality rules are but I thought that's what variances are for well I mean you know I don't understand the whole thing but that's what I was saying the the the thing about the variance is you can't let me let me just tell you what some some of the rules are regarding variants if you're interested so uh this is under Section 163 uh there's all different kinds of laws that are that are on it um but in order to obtain a variance it can't it's got to be something unique okay um and there's not anything unique you're just wanting to build a a garage on a too small parcel of land and it can't be self imposed those are two rules there's more but um and it has to meet the spirit of the rules and the land is Tiny it's real small and it's so if you purchase this parcel of land then it's sort of self-imposed um it's important to know what the rules are in a municipality before there of course you could sure and a tra and a yeah I mean it's a it's a parcel of look and and you know do you have a copy of your deed not with me I don't I I mean do you have one yeah yeah sure I'd read it real well all right because that would give you a lot of information if not they're online you know well another thing you know if you look at like I said that entire little like little village whatever you want to call it none of them houses are on Big Lots yes none of right yeah that should be taken in consideration because I'm not changing the landscape I'm just putting a little dinky place there that would blend in with the rest actually smaller than the rest interesting enough though so those people are grandfathered in however if they should sell to someone of non-an sidity what would ultimately happen is they would then have to abide by whatever the current rules are let's say they wanted to build a a brand new structure if they built it on the same footprint they would be under the legal non-conforming structure rules which is allowed but if they were going to knock it knock it down and rebuild it from scratch then ultimately they would have to follow whatever the rules are today so you're only grandfathered in to the old rules if you don't knock it down and you you maintain know the structures as it is right now I don't understand why you won't approve the variance because it's a unique situation and it's not like you know it's hidden behind there it's not like on the main road well I mean we could put like the trailer like here and like there and that would be okay because our property can par it you you can park it look like real ugly and that' be okay and and it's not that you can't go to council and ask them for the variance but what they're going to do is see you know you should keep that in mind I'm sorry but you know that would be much worse but if you have to do that we need to put our tools and our stuff somewhere these lots are tiny we have a little thing you know and there's no room so you know we're kind of yeah I mean they could handle it one or two ways could go research some more that's what I or we can just say to the council no and let them make their own decision yeah it's up to you um I would probably research it uh and find out who own what type of road that is because right now if that is truly a Public Access Road in your property line on both sides of the property goes to the center of that road then you don't even require a variance yeah I don't believe it doesn't because I have the survey yeah yes ma'am and uh but it it's a it's a small parcel of land and like I say when that's a small garage too yeah 12 by 16 it ain't like make a big footprint yeah and like I said it's not going to have electric water or nothing it's pretty much I'm trying to make it look like a miniature house that's already there that's another thing I thought y' would taking in consideration because the houses there none of them lots are big and so it would it would blend perfect I mean I know the rules and all that stuff but still there's there should be some leniency somewhere I would think you know ain't like I'm trying to build some kind of banked up or anything the the leniency usually comes when when we're close it's like if we're on a you know on the edge but this is this parcel of land is not even a tenth of an acre and in order to build a single family home in a lowdensity residential area you need at least 20% of an acre it's it's less than half that yeah a 16 by 12 it's not a it's not a house y'all keep that it's a garage sir no in a yeah it's going to be very small wish yall would take in consideration that because maybe you want to drive look at the neighborhood I'm talking about there's no little houses and little Lots yes sir it's it's really just uh you know the uh the Land Development rules were recently Rewritten about a year and a half ago and the council members believe strongly in in these uh segments in terms of the size the Land Development rules for each of the different districts and um again if we were close on it and you had a dwelling at it or if you owned half to the middle of the road uh it would be easy but we're so far off at every one of those different if the community owns a road all right if that road is part of the community all right that would give me right that'd be my my if if you own if you are deed to the middle of the road no I'm not saying that excuse me I'm just saying nobody owns that road except that Community somebody's yeah somebody so who as far as I know I mean it was it was put there and nobody owns it because that way you got access it's not on the city maps it's not nowhere so I mean it's not like it's a road you know what I mean it's like an access yeah like an EAS I'm just applying the the rule and the rule would be if you if you can show that you own to the middle of the road and there are some cases where you do then ultimately uh it wouldn't require a uh a variance okay and I'll do the research and try to come back but if the road is part of the community yeah and it's not part of the city if you don't have ownership of it uh then then ownership of the whole world it's it's the community so would I have a say so he would have to he would have to be on a deed his their name would have to be on a deed as being thing a road that is a no deed it's no name Road no owner owned Road MA such things yes ma'am there are there there are many uh different uh you know there's there's your your main thoroughfares and everything which either the state owns or the city owns and then there are Public Access roads like Alleyways where that's what that is an Alleyway I mean but it's not it's not like said it's not on the city or anything so it's it's like it's part of mine it's part of the community right yeah but we're like I say and we're we're trying to help by providing that information but at the end of the day right now the information we have is that you don't own part of the road you've got a74 parcel of land and you want to build a garage on an accessory structure where you don't have a a dwelling so right now that's just it's just okay but I'll do the research and see and I mean I hate to put something there and make it look ugly but so let me ask you a question are you are you we may have to vote on it still are you withdrawing your variance request at this time well I don't know what to do I got it you said I need to research a road the road as far as I know is not on any Dee or anything just so can we table it at this time then John without voting on it I think we can yeah I believe we can we can table it to a later date we can uh make a motion to recommend denial make a motion to approve the conditions or we can make a motion to approve uh to the city council or motion to to table it until the research right table it is that okay with you I mean I I really think a little bit more research uh can be done that maybe would allow that project to move forward okay I'll do as much as I can you know so I'll ask for a motion to table it at this time motion to table okay issue until next whenever they want to bring it back and then I come back the next Tuesday or something or well it'll be um second Tuesday second second Tuesday of February yes sir okay yeah yeah but that would only be if you I mean if you find out that you you do have ownership up to the middle of that road actually you don't have to come before us at all because now it's not a variance you would just go to uh the uh actually this young lady here if you can show that you own to the middle of that road and then your other property owns to the middle of the road then all of your your small Dev developments uh are approved by our city clerk so you wouldn't have to come either before any any board and I can merge them two properties too could I well that's what you'd have to do first you'd have to have that property merge with the the property across the road but that's got to First be you know you got to show where you where your property line on each side ends and often times if it's a public access road it is to the middle of the road we have two houses in the cove and I think deed is like that it doesn't show up on a survey but on the deed it says you own to the middle of the alley but you can't build on it right really I look at that thank you for your advice I that I mean it's worth a shot oh yeah I mean you know hey yeah yeah but but let's say because the property is offset a little bit not that that not yeah but it is you know would that matter it would matter because they would have to AB butt the uh the rules for combining property is that they would have to abut each other is there a space in there that they they drunk if if even if they just touch a little bit somewhere then it's considered an Abed property yeah there's yeah in other words combining properties they have to have but before they can be combined we had a recent situation where somebody wanted to build a structure but then it the city owned the road and then they wanted to build parking across the street and combine them and we simply couldn't allow that because the rules don't allow that had they owned that road to the middle of the road then it would have been no problem that's why we're recently I do our due diligence and try to come back and and I mean and if it ain't you're going to you just already said you're going to shoot it down pretty much right well Mr Mr Davis We're The Advisory Group here but the uh governing board looks at what we have to say because we're the nuts and bolts of We're the techie guys who review the the detail and then provide that information to them uh and then you know they oftentimes can be flexible uh but they're going to take you through the seven questions and I might suggest to you that you add some detail on there because right now I think you just answered the questions without detail and you probably they're probably going to want to see uh it's up to the applicant to um ultimately convince them that each of those seven uh variance requests um you know can be met uh in an affirmative way okay so I would probably do that and uh but again if you own to the middle of the road yeah but I don't think you don't even require a variance check into that what if nobody own that road I don't know to answer we'd have to we'd have to ask Council but if nobody owns the road and you if you the important thing is is that if you don't own to the middle of the road then it's still still two separate properties and then we we come back to where we're at right now and that is that unfortunately uh you live in a lowdensity residential area where you've got a tiny parcel of land and it wouldn't you couldn't even build a dwelling on it uh so let alone an accessory structure yeah it's just to me it is you know we then put a trailer on it and that would be so much more ugly you know I I don't understand out and I I hate well I like pretty things I I get it I I understand sometimes get excuse me it's very frustrating sometimes I get it it would be ugly py life on it it up so I'm going to ask for a motion then in order to table this okay can I get a second did we get a second okay can I get a vote Madam clerk I had I did have a question do you know who made maintains the road what happens nobody does nobody maintains it driving in and I cut the grass in it because it's like it's like a little alley right got a little grass in the middle okay I think I see some pictures of it is it part of it gravel well it's not really gravel it's like yeah I mean sometimes I throw some where the hes are throw some dirt in it so the homeowners are maintaining it and doing keep yeah it's not nothing you know and I thought we put in a variance and then there's no I mean yall got the final say well actually it's not us the council members would have the final say the council members would have the final say well thank you thank you very much no thank you I wish we could have been a little bit more help to you but hopefully we giving you a path to to pursue so can we take the the vote then Madam clerk to table Mr Hall yes and Miss pal yes Mr sharker yes Mr re yes very good okay and then the last thing in the menu here is an application for a final plat approval um do we have somebody here from from that yes sir come to the podium and state your name please my name is Eric Ranken I'm the platting surveyor very good Mr Ranken did you say Mr Ranken very good we have any questions for Mr Ranken this is the this is the East Bay Flats right hadn't been here for so long I trying to remember what we were doing with this I think I can kind of get us on track so I think Mr Rank and we've got uh so after the two splits we would end up with 15.9 Acres remaining is that approximately right uh no this is a subdivision PL where do we where are we looking at this I have a i I have East Bay Apartments [Music] uh did you did you submit this uh to the city sir oh yeah this has been this was approved a while back probably maybe a year ago and then the for the plat was fully approved by the commission and everything and then the the developers had to do make some revisions to it we never recorded it we made some revisions resubmitted it um got comments from the uh reviewing surveyor and the reviewing engineer and Mr scho me him and I have been in conversations answering some questions and we've we've addressed all of the comments from City staff and now this that's why this is under review to be approved we don't have any of that information um and uh who did you communicate with in in City Hall here well me and Mr Sloan have spoken on the phone and this is John here he's uh oh I'm sorry that's okay it says Tim um so I think what we need to do well I mean I've been Elizabeth Moore is the is the engineer yes she's a city engineer from anchor and Todd tendle is the reviewing surveyor and and where is this located it's right here by the the bridge the apartments that's East that's that's Eastbay Apartments yeah yes sir yeah okay yeah that that's right okay so you have you have uh 15.9 Acres of of uh 15.9 Acres uh after the split of 83 acres and after the split of 0.91 acres is that right I'm I'm not sure okay all right so let me ask you a question each of those buildings there's nine of them is that right nine of the three Rises sure all right let me let me tell you what I what I know guys so uh there are nine buildings there and uh each of those buildings have 30 dwellings okay um from this survey that I'm looking at it appears as though uh they have approximately 16 17 about 17 a 12 acres they want a segment off 83 acres to the it would be to the North and then they want a segment off 0.91 Acres uh to the South the only thing that would be concerning to us would be does the 15.9 Acres uh ultimately allow for the dwellings to continue to exist that are there right now so somebody got a calculator uh so 15.9 times 25 because you can have 25 dwellings per acre 397 397 okay let's just do some math 397 and they've got nine buildings and there's 30 each which 30 * 9 270 okay all right well you're well under that sir so there's no issue with this if this is the final plat I don't unless any of the other Commissioners has a no this is just for dock access and things like that yeah you aren't you going to put a restaurant down there I'm not aren't they somebody down the road that is in the plans that's why they're segmenting it off yeah okay yeah I'm not sure why you know basically the only change from what was previously approved all the way through the the commission and everything to what you see now is the dock access parcel and not sure why they decided to do that you know I'm just the surveyor um but we went back and did that and I believe there were there were some easements that were added as well um and so that's why we went back through the whole process again um okay I get it that that's why you're talking to Mr Sloan so that City would have access for easement sake you know we tried to give you that road oh really not you but them this was a couple of years ago um I don't know why they didn't take us up on that okay um guys the math is is uh ladies and and gentlemen the math is fine yeah um I mean they they're going to end up with 15.9 Acres uh they're entitled to um 397 uh dwellings on that parcel of land the two small segment uh splits are not going to interfere with the math at all um and uh if you don't have any questions I'll ask that somebody put them motion that we approve the final or move to council for their approval uh for the final plat I'm glad you reminded me what was going on okay so I'll ask for a I'll ask for a a motion uh to approve the final platter to then move it along to uh the council members for their final perusal and ultimate uh decision I make a motion to approve to S to council for approval very good thank you Mr Hall second okay very good uh Madame clerk can we take a vote Please Mr Hall yes Miss power yes Mr Striker yes Mr yes thank you thank you sir glad we figured it out I was thinking about yep good deal okay Harry anything that you would like to bring before the not that comes to mind at the moment very good and anything you'd like to say or want to say thank you for letting me join you it's been very educational and I look forward to uh learning more we look forward to having you on this team I think you're going to provide a lot of good analytical skills and Ann's got a um a motor home and uh occasionally if you own a motor home you know they have problems and she is a hell of a troubleshooter and so I know her analytical brain works and all kinds of really good things um what I've got for you you is uh we are dictated by the state on a regular basis to take four hours of Ethics training um that is last year they said we didn't have to do it because we were not elected we have to take it we have to take yeah we absolutely have to take it yep yep it's it's it's but I understand why you think that Terry because there is language in there that says elected officials but if you keep going down it does say all commissions uh that are there so um it's 4 hours of online trading uh it doesn't have to be live um here's if you want to write this down uh or did you send them an email on oh there may be an email already but here's how you get to it uh it's FL cities.com FL cities.com and what you're going to go to is events and education okay and then you're going to click on ethics and uh and then you're going to to see a bunch of classes that you can take online it it says 4 hours it's not four hours it's more like about 3 hours and 10 minutes U but uh there's about two hours on chapter 112 which is on Florida ethics law okay and there there's a one hour on chapter 119 that's on public records and then there's one hour on chapter 286 that's in public meetings that's mostly about sunshine rules uh you know how to make sure that we not violating any of those rules okay now I'll let you know that one of those classes charges don't click on that one because uh the the go to the ones that say Florida Institute of government those are the ones that are free okay and they and for some reason the Florida commission does charge a about an $80 fee no no reason you have to do that now sometimes navigating those links because uh two of them are videos but one one of them is just a listen only um but if you have any questions I found Christian Barton who works at the Florida League of cities her telephone number is 407 367 3443 she's awesome she'll walk you right through which one uh 407 367 3443 and she is uh her name is Christian Barton b a r t o n okay and uh that has to be completed by the end of March end of March or first sometime in March so uh you know you don't have to do it all and it's uh and then when you're done uh to come full circle just said ingred a email that says I've taken uh my four hours of Ethics training uh and that meets the requirement okay very good uh the only other thing that I've got on my menu is um Miss huto was our vice chair so next month when we meet what I'd like you to do is determine who you would like to be your Vice chair okay and uh and then we'll ask for a nomination and then we'll we'll have that person uh okay very good Mr Hall anything from you anything from you no sir ladies and gentlemen thanks again for your participation