All right, we're officially bringing the August 12th uh 2025 planning uh meeting. Uh ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for your interest in what goes on here in the city. Terry, can I ask you to start with our invocation?
>> Sure. Very good. >> Our heavenly father, we thank you for this beautiful day you've given us and for the life you've breathed into us. We pray that what we do here tonight will be good for our little city. We pray these things in Jesus name. Amen.
>> Amen. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you. And thank you, Jerry. >> I made it. Sorry. There you go. >> Oh, very good. Actually, you know what? As long as you're in before before the roll call, we're we're legal. So, uh, go ahead and, uh, Madam Clerk, can I ask you to conduct a roll call, please?
>> Absolutely. Uh, Mr. Hall is absent. Mr. Merritt >> here, >> Miss Powering here, Mr. Striker >> here, >> and Chairman Ra, >> yes, here. Thank you very much. Okay. And, um, has everybody gotten an opportunity to review? Now, we did not have a meeting in June or July. simply
did not have any developments come before us. So, the last minutes would have been for the May meeting. Has anybody gotten a chance to Everybody gotten a chance to review them and either approve or recommend any changes?
>> Make a motion we accept. >> All right. Can I get a second, please? >> I'll second. >> Okay. Can I get a vote, please? >> Perfect. Um, Mr. Merritt, >> yes. >> Miss Powering, >> yes. >> Mr. Striker, >> yes. and chairman. >> Yes. And thank you. These are nice and
concise minutes, and I really like the way you're writing them up. Thank you. >> Thank you for doing that. >> Very good. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you again for your interest in what we do here in the city. Uh we have just one more administrative thing to do. Uh and then what we'll or we'll actually go on
to the point now where if there's anybody in the audience today that would like to bring something before the planning commissioners that's not on the agenda, uh please come to the podium. If not, we'll go ahead and we'll get started then. Okay. Uh, today we Oh,
>> because I'm not sure if it's on the on the agenda. I'm trying to combine a parcel. >> Would you go ahead and say your name so that the clerk can capture it? >> Sure. Felicia Lucas. >> Yes, you are. >> You're You're on here, Miss Lucas. Outstanding. Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you. >> I think you're item number two. Yes,
ma'am. Very good. >> Thank you. >> Very good. Okay. Well, uh, with that said, we'll just go ahead and we'll get going. Uh, the first one is for an application for a partial split. I know you're stepping in for Mr. Baron. Is that right? >> Yes, sir. >> Is that because you you Mr. Baron
doesn't own the property as of yet? >> Actually, we purchased it on uh the 31st of July. >> You did? Okay. Would you come to the podium and state your name and uh this is um application for a parcel split and your name, sir? >> Sure. My name is Aaron White.
>> Mr. White >> and I'm with Solar Land Holdings. Mr. White, would you mind giving the commissioners just sort of a brief summary of what you're wanting to do here? >> Sure. Thank you. >> Um, so we purchased the parcel at 8 07
North 9th Street. Um, and we are basically just wanting to take that parcel and subdivide it into two parcels so we can build two new construction homes on those parcels. >> Very good. And Mr. White. Both of them would face 9inth Street. Is that right? >> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. And it looks like you've got about right now just shy of half of an acre. Uh is that right? Like 482 acres is what we're seeing. >> Uh yes, sir. >> So you'd divide them into two at about 10,500 square feet roughly. >> Yes, sir. >> They'd be equal equal they're equal in
size. Okay. Very good. >> That looks like they're going to be 75 wide each. >> Okay. 75 by like 100 by about 140 long. Is that right? >> Yes, sir. I think that leaves you with 10,500 square feet. And in the city of Parker, that's perfectly legal. Uh the
density law here state and this is a single family dwell single family. Yes, sir. >> Yeah. Density laws here do say that you can put as many as five properties per acre. So, uh that works out to about 8,200 square feet, 8,400 square feet, something like that. You're well over
that at 10,500. Um commissioners, any questions uh here for Mr. Wait. >> I went by and looked at it. Looks like a good split to me. >> I can show you kind of >> what we're looking at building there. It's a 32 one car garage. >> Very nice.
>> So, very nice one. >> Very nice. Well, today is really just about uh doing the land uh division. Our clerk in the city of Parker uh has the full uh authority and power to take a minor development and approve it. So
when you've got those plans uh ready, uh you'll bring them in to Kevin Boyd and also uh to Ingred. Uh Ingred is our city clerk. And minor developments do not go through planning uh and they do not even have to go before the council. They get
approved right here at the office. So um uh if there are no questions, what I'll do is I'll ask for uh John. Any questions on your part? >> Uh no, sir. No question. >> Okay. Very good. uh looks like a rel just as a summary uh it looks like it's
a parcel right now that's a just a shy of half of an acre right now just a hair over 21,000 square feet each each divi divided property uh in lot 11 and 12 would then be 10,500 well above the minimum lot size as well
as uh the uh the density ruling uh so what I'll do is if you're okay with it I'll ask for um a motion to approve the split and then I'll look for a second. >> I'll make a motion to approve the split. >> Okay, very good. Very good. Do I get a second? >> I'll second it.
>> Okay, very good. Can I get a vote, please? >> Absolutely. >> Mr. Merritt, >> yes. >> Miss Powering, >> yes. >> Mr. Striker, >> yes. >> Chairman Ra, >> yes. >> And Mr. White, thanks for improving the city. We sure do appreciate it. Remember, when you get your plans together, Ingred uh and Kevin Boyd, uh
Ingred is our city clerk. Okay. >> Okay. And Kevin is our planner. All of that's done being a minor development. We'll go through them. It's not a subdivision. It's not a major development. Appreciate it. >> Thank you, sir. Appreciate you coming to town. >> Thanks again. >> All right. Second on the agenda, M Mr.
and Mrs. Lucas or uh this is for a parcel combination. >> That's right. >> Is that right? Okay. And that's on Lakewood and Terry Lanes. Is that right? >> That is correct. >> Very good. And would you mind just kind of giving us a summary about what you're you're wanting to do? >> Okay. What we're wanting to do is uh we
own both the property on Terry Lane and then the property on Lakewood which is directly behind us. >> And we wanted to combine the two property. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um I I've got a sick mother and of course, you know, we just need to kind of get her all in one.
>> I get you. Um so will you are you thinking of putting a another dwelling on that on that parcel out there or on that other parcel? >> Not maybe. Yes, eventually. >> Okay. So, I wanna uh our job here is to call Bowls and Strikes and kind of help
the folks out. >> Now, in a low density residential area like you're in, >> okay, it only allows for one dwelling uh per parcel. Okay? So, if you combine that parcel,
>> you the city would would would prevent you from building a secondary dwelling on it. >> So, just something something to chew on. now. Okay. >> So, if if we weren't, you know, being aware of what was going on and even asking you what your plans were, uh what you want to do is perfectly fine.
There's nothing that uh the the state of Florida only says that if a property abuts uh that it can be combined uh especially when you review uh the original uh plat uh you know, you have so many times that they can be split. Um
in this particular case, no problems. Okay. But just as a as a caution to you, >> uh so you live on Terry Lane, beautiful place there, by the way, and you want to combine it to that property that's that's in back of it right there. You can do that. But if you combine those
properties, you can't build another dwelling on it because of the district you're in. Uh in Parker, we have four or five different districts. Okay? We have our uh lowdensity residential areas and those are single dwellings only. Okay?
And then we have our ME1 and ME2. Those are multiple use districts where you can have multiple dwellings on those. But just as a caution to you, maybe you want to think this through or maybe kind of re analyze how you want to deal with it. If you come buy the properties, these
guys can vote that you can and city council will will tell you you can too. But in the future, if you wanted to build another, you're causing an issue for yourself. So, I'm just trying to help you with that because it might >> and I appreciate that so much. Um, so if
I was to say want to add to my home and it's somewhat like a mother-in-law suite to the rear of it, you're saying that's not doable if the property is combined. >> If you if you if you if it's joined to your house, it's considered one structure.
>> Okay. If you were looking at the secondary piece of property which is in back of you and has its own road and it was going to be a separate dwelling um the the lawmakers in our city have said low density residential areas can only have
one dwelling >> and we are in a low density. >> Yes ma'am. you're in a residential lowdensity residential dwelling. >> And um it's it's it's everything we did when we rewrote the land development rules was to protect uh our neighbors
and and the people that were there. >> So imagine your beautiful home and it looks like a beautiful home. Imagine somebody was going to build like a apartment building next to you. They couldn't do that because it would actually detract from your home. >> So that's why that law is in place. So,
if it is a low density residential area and right now you've got separation of the properties and I get it. If I just wanted to build like an extra garage or something out there, I'd do that. Okay? Because now you got more land and you know in a low density residential area,
you could have up to 4% impervious area. So maybe you needed it because you didn't want to go, you know, blow through that threshold of the impervious area. The issue is if you combine that property, we can do it. But I don't want you to I don't want I don't want you to be harmed by that. If your intent is to
then build a mother-in-law suite out there, unless it's attached to your home, if it's attached to your home, no problem. >> And it's hard to undo that. Correct. Right. >> It's hard to undo. Undo the >> Yeah. Once you put it together,
>> do I remember there was like a 10year or >> is there some >> I'd have to ask John. I I don't I don't know what the limitation of of that would be. >> I thought I remembered something about >> I do know that they split it all the time, but I think what you might be
remembering is once you start with a uh like a like a major parcel, what they call the parent parcel, >> right? the the county only allows you to split it so many times. >> Okay. >> But if you combine, you can go back and >> I don't I don't remember.
>> Yeah. >> And and I thank you guys for for the education and knowledge, too, because what we're really trying to do, of course, now for the future, for present time, >> we want a you know, the carport or to build a garage or pretty much for the
golf cart, you know, we want to put a house there. >> Now, now here's here's an alternative to you, okay? You got a lot of land there. I mean, uh, it looks like the land that you're looking to, uh, combined is about a quarter acre and then the land you're on is over over a third of an acre. Is that right?
>> Um, so you're not violating any density rules right now or minimum size uh, rules. What you could do is you could systematically take a piece of that land. Okay, this is just me talking now. >> Okay, you could, if you wanted to build,
for example, a carport, a shed or something like that, and you needed the extra land, you could build, you could, you know, maybe take a piece of that land. Now, you don't want that land to get less than 0.2 acres in size,
>> the land that you're acquiring, because then you're essentially creating an unbuildable lot because there's a density rule that says that there you can have no more than five um you can have no more than five dwellings per acre. Okay?
>> So, if you take an acre and an acre is 43,560 square feet. So, what you want to do is you want to make sure that whatever you split that land into, you don't make it smaller than 0.2 because you don't want to make an unbuildable lot that way though. So, if you take it right up to
that 02 acres, you'll still have a buildable lot and then it may give you the extra space you need >> uh in order to >> and what I think we've already done and that's why we didn't want to go get into any code you know, violation because apparently, you know, he did come around
is because we have a shed that's right on the tip of that that lot. Can you see? Is it on there? >> And you can't have secondary dwelling. >> We can't have that on the dwelling. So, now for the present, I guess we do need to combine it. So, we're not
>> Oh, I see what you're talking about. So, you're talking about that little white shed that's right at the back of your property. Okay. Yeah. There's a there that's another rule in Parker and the rule in Parker is that you have to have a principal dwelling on your property in
order to have an accessory structure and again that's about beautifification of Parker and trying to make it a better place for everybody. >> I promise you we're keeping it beautiful. It looks lovely back there. I promise you I can tell it's a beautiful work on it. >> Got a beautiful pool there and everything. The circle circular
driveway. It's beautiful. >> So for the president I guess to make sure we're in compliance. I guess that's why we need to combine the lot. >> We we we can we can absolutely do that because there's nothing that would prevent us from doing that. >> But I don't want to >> Mark to your point if they leave at
least the two >> on the on the far side and and just bring enough to have that shed be included in their closer to the lot. Don't do the whole thing, >> but leave enough that you don't include that you can later build on it. It it looks like they have a t now
>> the lot that they're trying to combine into is only 229. So they'd have to be careful and just divide it so that a buildable lot remains >> of the 02 otherwise we get into the density rule issue. >> So Mr. Lucas that
>> here's what I'm looking at this. >> Yes sir. Um >> I'm going to put the mother-in-law suite on there within the next 12 months. >> Okay. I would like to >> I would like to do that. >> But yeah, that's what you would like to
>> whi which person would like to do that. We'll >> see. >> I know. I told you about it. >> Doesn't want to live in the shed. That's what right. >> So, I got to get this thing built within the year. >> Okay. >> All right. So, I'm right now I'm in a situation of Okay, the money's in the
bank. That's fine, but I need to figure out which direction it's going to go. I have an idea on how large it's going to be based on the budget and I don't know whether it's going to face North Lakewood or whether it's going to face >> well it won't matter if it's attached to your principal residence >> if I build a if I build a walkway from
my principal home to the mother law suite >> it it's considered a yeah >> I don't want to do that I'd like to have it set separate >> like what you're saying which means don't separate the lots right now but if I don't separate the lots right now I'm going have code enforcement coming over and say I'm putting stuff on a vacant
because we can't have the in other words that shed will not shouldn't be there before the dwelling >> to say hey if you combine them you can't say it's a vacant lot but if I move it separate code enforcement is coming around the corner want to give me a violation >> and and that uh that's right on the uh
that's right on the property line right there right my recommend and that's not a movable shed it's it's it's it's got a foundation or something like that >> my recommendation would be to just slice that piece If you want to keep that shed and you don't want to rebuild it on your
you want to keep the shed, then my recommendation would be to go ahead and just take a slice of that property so that you leave that uh you know the the property that's on um is it Terry Lanewood leave
>> the main property is on Terry Lane and the vacant lot is on Lakewood. Yes. I would then leave it as a buildable lot so that you could build that that sep it would be a separate dwelling >> not connected to your property but just so that we don't you know cause a
consequence for you you got to I I don't think that shed's probably taken up you know a little bit I would just take a slice of that property >> off the back there leave the the the property that's on Lakewood at least 02 acres so it's buildable lot.
>> Okay. >> Okay. And then you can build the mother-in-law suite. Uh and then that way, you know, and then the other thing you could do is um inform Ingred and also Randy who is in code enforcement what your intentions are and you know
get them get off those. >> Now there'd be a minimum size for what he'd have to build. >> What we would build on the point to >> Yeah. >> Um well the >> on the other lot there'd be a minimum size. >> Yeah. It's got a well tiny 500 foot. >> Yeah, it's it's actually uh the rules
the rules right now just uh disallow what they call tiny homes. Uh and a tiny home is considered anything 400 square f feet or smaller. Uh so ultimately uh it would be something larger than that would be acceptable. >> Yes. >> So right now would we need to go ahead
and get a survey done so we can block or take a tiny piece and add it to the Terry Lane? I would recommend you do that because if you want to keep that, you know, that uh that shed, you want to add that to your property that's on the Terry Lane, right? And then leave
yourself a buildable lot and just tell him what you're wanting to do. Okay? >> Park and he probably knows being a surveyor, if he's a if he's an accredited surveyor, he's going to know what the rules of the city of Parker are. Have him check with Kevin Boyd. Uh but they'll tell you the same thing I
am. In order for it to be a buildable lot, it's got to be 0.2 acres. You have a you have a little bit more than that that there. So, um I would I would do that. I would go ahead and slice the piece off that's where the shed is. That way, you know,
>> that way we can Okay. >> Now, now here's here's the other thing. >> Uh you're going to build this for your mother-in-law, right? >> Yes. Why don't you just come in and and tell him you're building a a dwelling there
and save yourself all of this? >> Huh? >> We told rain. >> Okay. But you told them in a year you're building a principal residence there. >> Yes. >> Come here. >> All right. >> Um well, we have our
>> our city clerk here. Maybe you go back. >> Well, we have our city clerk here and to save you guys some headaches, we do provide uh there are people who are building structures and we can we can allow all conx boxes and all kinds of of
things on the property during construction. >> So, Mr. Lucas, you're you're going to build a principal dwelling on that property in the next year. >> Yes. I I I think what we need to do is just have discussion with the mayor, tell them that this is what the intention is
and that way they don't have to go through the issue of dividing a piece of property and and all of that. Um >> they need to potentially go and file the application for >> Yeah, that's a really good idea. How long do they have after the development order uh application? >> Don't hold me to it. I think it's a year.
>> It's a year. Okay. Okay. So, >> six months actually. >> Six months. Okay. Thank and and then and then the clerk has the opportunity to extend it. >> There are circumstances in which it can be extended. I I couldn't tell you. Okay. >> Off the top of my head, but I did see six months fairly recently. >> Thank you. I think that's I think I I
think that is right. So once a development order is filed uh and it's going to be a minor development because it's a single family dwelling um and and Ingred and also um Kevin handles that. Uh, and I think what I would do is I
would probably I mean saving these people some heartache. I mean uh this understood they're going to build a principal residence on there and prevent us from having to slice and dice the property and to me that just seems like the appropriate >> Thank you. I mean because yeah we I just
want to be we want to be we want to be in compiance want to be in compliance. We don't want to you know break the rules. >> I mean that really seems to be the the most expensive thing to do and uh and that way we're
not and that way you know we maintain uniformity along uh that other road there the Lakewood Drive area there in terms of slot sizes and everything >> and u as long as you're sure you're going to build that in the next year I I think the mayor would probably say hey
that makes perfect sense to me okay >> I can't completely read his right >> but I think what you're trying to you're trying to make the city nicer. You're trying to comply and I think uh you know that's >> certainly appreciate it >> and I definitely I didn't want to you know with us putting the shed there and
I just didn't want to be out of compliance or >> Yeah. >> but I know the shed shouldn't be there if there's not a dwelling there. >> Yeah. >> And the dwelling should have been there first before the shed. >> Yeah. So, >> and and but but there are provisions where you can build, for example, a
structure in order to aid the um the building of the principal residence. People builders do that all the time. They say, "Look, theft is an issue. Guys will bring in $5,000 worth of lumber and the next day come back to two 2x4s left." >> And uh so they're building structures in
order to then build the dwellings. And it may not be in the form of a shed, but it might be in the form of a temporary conx box or something like that. And we do allow for that. So I think what I would do is I would identify that you're going to use that to store tools while that principal
dwelling and that's what you're going to do. And uh and then Ingret's heard everything, you know, as part of this conversation. >> Uh any of the commissioners have any additional thoughts? Um off base here. I'm just trying to help these folks out. >> I think that's a good insightful. Thank
you. so much. >> Very interesting. >> We have to get it through. We're >> We are advisory only good, but they tend to we tend to be the nuts and bolts guys that know the rules >> and so they tend to listen to us. John, am I missing anything that uh you know
maybe needs to be brought up or is this a good solution? >> I I think you you hit the nail on the head. Um I I guess I was thinking that when you were discussing that they would need a survey generally if not for us to split partially. They would need it for the property appraiser to >> I got,
>> you know, fulfill that split. So >> do even partially do it. You have to pay $1,500 to get the survey done just to >> include my shed. >> Yeah. >> And then I'm just like, okay, I did that now. Now that money reason like that's just waste of money. Waste of money.
Just include one year that I'm going to put the house on. Now I got to go get another survey done. The only reason that that wouldn't make sense is if you had a really really bad relationship with your mother-in-law moving in that allow you to access your ship.
>> She could say, "Hey, that's my property. >> Somebody's going to go in there." Okay. Cuz I got an 18, 19 year old that just graduated. >> Yeah. He's still trying to figure out what he wants to do. So, I don't know. I might need to kick him out, too. >> So, Ingred, we do need to do a a application. You're saying Okay. Yeah.
Where did I get that from? >> Where do I get it? >> You can come back in here. >> Oh, okay. Perfect. >> I got a meeting with the mayor on Thursday. I'll bring this up with him. Uh and uh and I know anger will probably see him tomorrow. Uh but I can't imagine them not thinking this is the right
pathway to take. Uh especially since you're building another structure, another dwelling and all that stuff. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Very insightful. Very >> very very thank you so much. >> It's our pleasure. Thank you. >> Good luck.
>> Very good. Okay. And now we have uh U-Haul. Um and I guess um will one of you very good. >> He's just my bodyguard. >> Okay. Outstanding. I think we always wish we had somebody like him to to bodyguard us. Uh so it
looks like uh we got an existing structure there right now. You want to give us start by giving us a summary? >> Sure. My name is Chad Rome. I'm uh with U-Haul. Uh this is the former uh Hickory Plaza located at 360 Tindle Parkway. Uh
we're seeking approval to add uh many storage units out front. Um and hoping that we get a favorable recommendation. >> Very good. Very good. And I think we got the pictures of what that's going to look like, Chad.
Um very good. So that existing uh so that building right there is actually much bigger, right? That goes into another uh uh storage facility. I mean the existing building that I guess you'd be considering that goes into that's
attached to another larger structure that's >> uh the existing was the Hickory um Hickory Plaza. So we would actually be uh putting the mini warehouses in the in the front of that building >> in the parking lot. >> Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir. >> Very good. Very good.
>> Looks like one row of parking where Old Mexico is would remain. >> Yes. >> And then I would assume people using the smaller buildings would motor through in between to load whatever they're loading or unloading straight. So really no other parking would be needed because
folks wouldn't >> be parking and then leaving their vehicles. the storage. Okay. >> So, uh Okay. So, the existing building is is facing Tindle Parkway. >> Yes, sir. >> And then the buildings B through G would
be in front of that building and between Tindle Parkway, right? >> Yes, sir. >> And then what Chad, what am I looking at here? What's And we have a micro uh page here. >> I'm looking at a micro, too. >> I can't really read. What is the uh what
is is that a it's not the road. Is that foliage or fencing or what? What is that out there? It's landscaping. Okay. Very good. >> Very good. >> Would this I brought in >> Oh, outstanding. >> Perfect. >> This would help out.
>> Oh, yes. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Uh let's see here. Are these all the same? Okay. >> Oh. Oh, this is this is Okay, very good. >> So, old Mexico is here. Okay, very good. >> This is the same that we have in here, >> Taco Bell. >> Yes or no?
>> Okay. >> So, he said this is landscaping and then two. >> Very nice. And um Okay. And you guys know that this is CRA community redevelopment area three, right? And what that means is just that when you
build something like this in that area, uh it's supposed to be nice. I mean, you know, so they want like wider walkways and and they want fantail driveways and they're looking for downward-facing lighting and they're looking for uh now
will one of the things that uh I think in the CRA would all those buildings right now is it anticipated they would all be the same like like kind of boxy looking things or what would they be? >> Yes. pre-engineered metal buildings.
>> And would they sit on the ashvalt or would they have >> Okay. So, >> they're anchored. >> So, they're anchored to the ashvault. Okay. >> Yes. I think it's on the last page. It shows you the anchor that we use. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, anchored to the
>> ashalt 140 win rating. >> Okay. But they're going to be they're going to be they're going to look like buildings, right? >> Yes, sir. >> And they're going to be leveled off just
not have a like a concrete uh a concrete uh foundation, right? >> Correct. >> So, they're not going to look like conx boxes or anything like that. >> No, sir. No. >> Okay. Um, one thing I do want to make sure you're aware of,
>> do we have do you have a picture of what they look like? You know, I don't I don't I don't think that the um we didn't submit any elevations. Is that required for city council as well or? >> Uh they're going to want to know. It will be. And let me tell you why. Uh if
you look at we uh our attorney uh got our uh that area uh approved to be a CRA area 3 like 2007 or six or eight or something like that. >> Yeah. And let me just let me just make you aware of it. We can get you a page
of this here. >> Our other facility on 15th Street is like a gateway overlay. They called it over >> overlay district. That's exactly right. So here's what it says. This is uh CRA area three. So under building
architectural style, variations and this is what they're looking for. Variations in roof line facade and depth should be provided. So if you're thinking of just doing like boxy boxy boxy, they would frown on that. They would want something
to different roof lines u you know uh they specifically asked for variations in roof line and this is in our comprehensive plan. So when we went to the state of Florida and said we're going to have areas one, two, and three for community redevelopment areas and
these are this is sort of a beautifification mechanism for the city. >> Generally, it's designed to uh undo squalor uh you know make the city a little bit nicer. This is what they wrote A through F and I'll give you a copy of this if you want but it's variations in roof line, facade and
depth should be provided. Okay. And then under pedestrian mobility provides sidewalks parallel to the public rights of way across the ent entirety of the property frontage. And then parking. Interesting enough, we do not have in
our land development rules uh parking requirements for storage facilities. And that's probably just an oversight. We didn't think of it. Uh but at the end of the day, um I think you it looks to me like you're going to have about two dozen spots or something. And that
people generally pull right up to their their area. Correct. >> So >> maybe 25 ft between them think it's either 25 or 30 I think in between. >> Yeah. >> Now these >> that's why I pull up and it says U-Haul
storage. Is that fairly accurate? >> It is 30. >> A little bit different than that but yes. Yes. Like the be like that picture there. So, so under that CRA area. So, uh I would just ask you to pay attention to
the um >> metal garage doors. Yeah. Yeah. I would say because it's in a CRA. They're pro. Now, now this storage facility out here is no longer in a CRA and uh >> AVID. >> Yeah. Yeah. the the one that's out over
here, Avid Storage. They're past CRA area one, but you guys unfortunately are in a CRA and um so the council is going to ask you to to build to these standards. Um >> some architectural differences on the
front side on the street. >> Yeah. And and if you'd like, it's it's in our land development rules. It's page 4-27. Now, these aren't all that tough to do. They're just trying to look for a little the, you know, the the block storage.
They look too much just like storage areas. Sure. And um >> and if you look at some of the new developments that went in like seven, what's the seven brew or something like that? I mean, they they put in like cobblestone and and and down, you know, downward-f facing lighting and and even
this Avid Storage did the same thing at night. That building's beautiful, you know, with the downward facing lighting and the fan tail drive. do the same thing. We We don't try to be bad neighbors. >> We our our lights on the building, they all come down. You know, there is residential out there in the area, so we
have downward facing lights, and we like to bring in a little bit of light to keep the uh elements safe in the evening. >> Oh, yes. >> And of course, there's other things too like uh you know, not interfering with the vision triangle being right there.
Now, that is a 60 foot right away out there, but where you guys are at, right? So um the and the 60 foot right of way is from so that's four lanes out there Tindle Parkway and the middle of middle of the lanes closest to you is where that is where that 30 feet is measured.
So 60 ft's the total distance and then so you you go to the you go to the two lanes and then and then 30 feet in. That's the right of way and then and then uh 15 and then the construction can begin 15 feet on the other side of that. So just make sure that your architects
are >> setbacks are right. Okay. >> Setbacks are right. Now you you stated it properly in the information I reviewed and we reviewed. Uh but uh just make sure you know that that is a 60oot right away that tend to that's a state road. Okay. And then uh streetscape and
landscape. Uh the streetscape will be encouraged to include wider sidewalks, street trees. So I see the foliage. So street trees, median plantings, and landscape buffers of the parking lots. And that's generally designed so that um the parking area so that other other
buildings, other um businesses that are out there, you know, are somewhat shielded from that. But um I mean it looks to me like the project is going to be a neat project and the really good news is is that it's a commercial area.
So everything you're wanting to do there is fine. But, uh, I think when it comes to council, just to benefit you fellas, >> um, they're going to they're going to refer to this and they're they're going to ask for, you know, differences in roof heights
>> just so they don't look >> it's hard to make storage buildings not look like storage buildings. >> But that's about what you're going to have to do. >> Yeah. >> I've seen some of some of them with like brick facads like on the on the very front part, you know, that's facing the road. Um, or maybe even like murals. Is
that something that they could even look at to to maybe make it look better? >> It's a good idea. Um, I I think really what I'm doing right now though, Kyle, is just sticking to again, we we we just call the balls and the strikes here,
kind of help out. So, our job is to kind of tell you what the rules are and then maybe offer some recommendations about it. So, I know building architectural style that variations in roof line that's that's going to be an issue because of the, you know, because of the blocky nature of it. And however you do
that, it's okay as long as you have variations in what that looks like. Um, and then, uh, and then again the the the sidewalks, the fantail driveways, uh, the street skates, and the landscape. I think if you if you get to those pieces right there, I think we're I think we're
good. >> We'll have some visuals. I'm sorry. >> Is it going to be thin? >> It is not. No. >> And and they can they can actually uh the barriers, Terry, uh allow for either uh foliage or fencing. And they're and I
and they're they're doing that strip right there is going to be foliage. That green that green space right there. >> What I'm thinking right now, I used to hire a guy to come and help me. >> Yeah. >> Well, come to find out he was living in a storage room. We don't we don't Well,
they didn't allow it either, but he did, >> you know, cuz there was nobody there at night. >> Yeah, it's illegal now in Florida and Alabama to do that. >> That doesn't matter some. Believe me, it doesn't matter. >> But >> I have a question actually. Uh I was
wondering about this existing building. Is that vacant? >> Yes. >> Is it going to remain vacant? >> No, we're actually going to build that out. we actually need the the buildings out front to make the project work. >> So that that that building was obliterated in during Hurricane Michael
in 2018. >> So it's an adaptive reuse project. So we're using the existing structure. It's pretty much totally gutted and we'll be building storage inside that that structure and a small retail space. >> We're permitted in that building already. >> Yeah. So we're we're permitted there, but the math doesn't make sense unless
we can get the >> the mini storage out front or So the mini storage out front will remain after the the inside has been >> permanent. It is all permanent. >> Okay. And then the front part I'm assuming is probably going to be
constructed before the the building is finished. The build out of the building. >> I think we do it in conjunction. >> Okay. >> Well, I don't there's nothing in that commercial area that says you can't do this project. It's how you go about
doing it that really is uh and we really just want to make sure that um would you guys like a copy of that page of the C and they're and they're different because there's CRA one, two, and three. And believe it or not, three you're in the easiest one to comply with. Uh so um
that's good. Um but >> one and two I don't think I think that's a no no. >> One and two would be a little bit more tough for them. Uh, so if you'll do could you get uh Yeah, I think that just that one's going
to be fine. Thank Thank you very much. Um, so you know, at the end of the day, as long as the building meets those requirements, uh, you can you can move forward with it. Uh but uh the uh the council is going to is going to go ahead
and hold you to the CRA standards only because believe it or not, the state of Florida penalizes the municipality if we do something like create a um uh a district and say what that district has to be and then and then sway from that.
U because they say whatever you do, you have home rule law. You have the ability to go ahead and set the laws. But once you tell us what it's going to be and then you put it in your comprehensive plan, you got to stick to it. >> So, uh, and that's that's actually in section 163 of the state code. So, we we we and we have to protect our
municipality, >> but we also want to protect the citizens and and we want to protect our business owners and we appreciate you guys are there. Understand that. >> We appreciate you. We I I don't think we've ever been before a planning commission that has been this helpful to everybody. >> Oh, that's nice. Pretty pleasant.
>> Thanks very much. and and they'll have to increase our pay. Actually, we're all volunteers. None of us are none of us are compensated. But anyway, if you if you follow those rules, then you'll you'll be on top of
it. And like I say, this is CRA area three, the easiest one to comply with. And that first one about building architectural style, facade, and depth. Uh and then uh the the sidewalks and then the streetscape and landscape. And I think we're golden, guys.
>> Awesome. >> Yeah. >> Cool. Um, >> is city council as pleasant as y'all? >> Probably more so. You just happen to catch Anna a good day. >> Seth will be first on the agenda, right?
>> Um, you want to leave this with us and then because I'm going to leave this with our city clerk. >> Okay. >> And then, uh, she has copied the minutes. So, when you do come before the the council members, uh you might want to just talk to them about how, you
know, you're in the CRA district three and how you'll you'll you'll structure, you know, the the building so that they comply to whatever those CRA requirements are >> and then go on from there. >> They'll want to see the elevations like the the >> They'll want to see what we're looking
at doing. >> Yeah. They'll want to see they'll want to see the elevations. Yeah. because that will directly show them, you know, what those roof lines are going to look like and and everything. But, I mean, uh, you're in a commercial area, so you can actually take up up to 90% of
impervious impervious land. Uh, you're you're well below that. Uh, and, um, you know, it's it's a it's a business that is accepted in that area. And uh the one benefit you have is that um they may
dictate parking, but parking is not in the in the rules. And being that you're a business that people, you know, probably visit their their storage facilities once every month or two, uh and uh so you're just not going to have that kind of you're not going to have
that kind of traffic in there. Uh, so, um, I looked in the parking requirements here, I think it was in section five, and tried to even find something that was close to storage, and there's nothing there. It's all just about commercial space. And then they identify
restaurants, you know, retail, things of that nature. You guys aren't close to any of that stuff. So, as long as there's enough parking for your patrons, the less parking in Florida probably the better because parking does have to be in a hard surface. And uh what that
means is more impervious area and that's not good. So yes ma'am please. >> Do we do we cause any harm to old Mexico the establishment that's there? Are we taking away too much parking for them that that is needed to meet their criteria? >> Um I think these fellas own all the land
that they're going to build their buildings on. So um uh and I don't think there's any community property over there where the people share it. Uh there might be one spot and that might be the um >> they've actually been saw horses.
>> I put those up because we have a problem with the semis trying to park in there after hours and over the weekends and all of that. So we have to have so many no parking towway zones. We're trying to keep the property safe. Um if you look on the side of the building, I've put up a I had a chain. Somebody came by, cut
the chain, and stole it and they're parking around back. So now I've got a cable up there and that the cable's still there for right now, but I go by there every couple days to make sure that, you know, we've got the lights on trying to keep, you know, once you turn the lights on, the rat scattered.
>> So uh we're doing everything that we can at this point to to >> okay >> to keep it safe and and you know, Old Mexico over there's >> they love us because we got the lights turned on. So now their property is is lit up, too. And uh
>> well so that this could move along. I'm going to make as you know the chair cannot uh make a motion. But if I were to make a motion, it would sound something like this. Uh that uh we would either approve, deny, or approve with conditions the movement of this project
uh based on uh the council reviewing the rules regarding CRA area 3 and the structures uh meeting those those requirements. Got it. >> Um, >> uh, Mark, I guess one last thing. I know
that you said and I agree. I actually looked at this earlier today, uh, that there is no applicable parking requirement to this type of development, but I believe that at least at some point in the past, this was a shopping center, which does have a parking
requirement. And I don't think that that should be applicable to the business that you're putting in here, the development that you're doing, but >> there might be some sort of need for clarification on on what parking requirement should apply because I don't
think that you would meet the shopping center requirement, but I also don't think that you would necessarily require the shopping center requirement, which is >> two spots per thousand square foot. Yeah. Up to >> and they wouldn't need that, >> right? So >> what about changing the occupancy?
>> Yeah, because our retail our actual retail space is less than 2500 square feet. So we'd need five spaces. >> Yeah. If that's uh Yes, retail is uh >> right. I I'm not trying to create a problem where there isn't one. I just don't want there to be,
>> you know, for there to be a problem down the road because you didn't ask the question now and I don't have the answer to the question that I'm asking which is what? >> That's a good call out though, John. So, I think what I'll do is add to the motion or have uh one of the commissioners add to the motion that uh
the the parking requirement be reviewed and agreed to by uh you know the council members as well as uh you know the the folks who are conducting the project here um because it's it's it's not in uh the plans. However, we have approved
these sorts of projects in the past. Uh and we do recognize that in Florida especially uh you know the least amount of parking the better uh because of the flooding issues and uh you know as long as there's enough parking spaces in
order to handle the volume of people that would be reasonably expected to be at this business at any one time then you know that's appropriate. >> Looks like there's plenty. >> Yeah. So >> see Let me write that down because we did a lot of speaking. So, okay. So,
number one. So, number one motion. >> Okay. So, number one would be C item number three provisions be met. Okay. Uh number two uh was uh parking right
that >> parking requirement would apply >> parking requirements >> be agreed to. >> So your plans for this are you redoing this entire building this this? >> Yes ma'am. That will that will pretty
much all be storage. It's about 50,000 square feet. >> So it'll be some indoor climate control. >> You got it. Yes ma'am. And then a small retail space like 1,200 to 2500 square feet. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, um I I think what this would
be then would be uh a motion to approve with conditions, right? And then the conditions would be that the buildings and the structures and the parking area be compliant with CRA
number three. right those provisions be met and that the parking uh requirements be agreed to by um U-Haul and uh and council members. >> Okay. >> Am I missing anything? >> Okay, you
anybody want to try that uh that motion because we have to officially give it >> I nominate Kyle. >> Okay, read that one more time. I was trying to write that down because I knew y'all were >> Well, it's it's relatively straightforward that uh that the motion
to approve with conditions. Those conditions being that U-Haul essentially uh meet the building and the uh space requirements relating to CRA um area 3. Okay. that those provisions
be met and that the parking requirements be agreed to um by U-Haul and uh and city council due to the uniqueness of their of their business. >> All right, >> very good. >> Let's take a let's take a whack at this.
Um, so I make a motion that we approve uh this with uh building space requirements and uh the space requirements to uh comply with CRA area 3 and that the parking requirements be discussed and agreed upon by the city
council and you I would probably the one thing I would change Kyle would be to approve with those conditions >> and to be approved with those. >> Yeah. because we have three options. Approve, approve with conditions or deny. And uh I mean their their business
is fully acceptable in that area. So I think we want to approve it with conditions because the plans we've seen >> don't show the CRA provisions in place. I mean you have the foliage and a bunch of other things in place. So that's uh what I think we should do. >> Approve with conditions. So you want to
restate it. Approve with conditions. >> Uh I make a motion or make a Yeah. that with um uh the approved conditions uh that with conditions that uh as long as it applies the building and space
requirements comply with CRA area um and the parking requirements have been discussed and approved between U-Haul and the city council that we approve this. >> Okay, that's good. Can I get a second, please? >> I'll second. >> Okay, very good. Can I get a vote, Madam Cler?
>> Absolutely. Um Mr. Merritt. >> Yes. >> Miss Power. Mr. Striker. >> Yes. >> Chairman Rita. >> Yes. And thank you gentlemen for helping the city become better and being such a a big part of our commerce here. Thank you. >> Appreciate you. >> All right ladies and gentlemen, we just
have one more thing on the agenda that'll go through. As you know, generally every July, uh the chairman keeps that role for one year. We missed it because we didn't have a meeting last month uh due to vacations and lack of
other projects that needed review. So each and every one of you, including Captain Hall, certainly could uh could be the chair. I'm happy to do it for another year, but only provided that I have your confidence to do so. But I'd
like you to consider uh others as well. >> Yes, sir. Please. I'd be honored to make a motion that Mark Reagan to be our chair. >> I will second. >> Very good. >> Madam Clerk, can I get a Can I get a vote, please? >> Mr. Merritt? >> Yes. >> Miss Powering?
>> Yes. >> Striker? >> Yes. >> And Chairman, can you vote? >> Sure. Heck >> yeah. Why not? >> Can I Terry? >> Hell yes. >> Yeah. Can we vote on behalf? >> Terry, anything that you'd like to discuss with the commissioners?
>> Very good. And how about yourself? >> All good. learn something every time. >> Ingred, how about you? Do you have anything you'd like to let us know? Any any notations, any warnings, anything we got coming up? >> I think not. Good job in getting your ethics stuff done. >> Oh, good deal. >> No, I didn't have one. An apostrophe
still on this side. >> I know. >> I saw it. I saw my notes. >> John, any >> ladies and gentlemen, thank you again for your interest in the city and what we do here. I'm going to go ahead