Afternoon everybody. Uh welcome to City of Parker. We're going to have a workshop uh reference the uh subject matter we talked about a couple weeks ago. Uh Miss Ingram, will you call a role please? Absolutely. Miss Pharaoh here. Miss Bford here. Mr. Chapel's absent. Mr. Haney's absent. And Mayor
Kelly? Yes, I'm here. Okay. Where would you like to start? Mr. Slan, I'll just move up here. I reckon brief everyone. So we have had count we have had multiple meetings and discussions um
with forward water um Mike Mike is Mike is here to answer any questions concerning the study for Florida water. Um we have reached out to them. We've had conversations with the city attorney and I've had conversations with the mayor. Um, Florida Rule Water
has proposed this study for us and did this study for us. The question came was do we have to go buy this study or could we the city do what they wanted to? So Mike reached out to his superiors and got the information that basically this
is just a recommendation. Um, the city can do less than what their recommendation is. It doesn't have to be this. Um, so I spoke with council on that. And so basically what I did was is I went to the surrounding municipalities
and compiled some basically some figures just to see where we would be at. And um my recommendation to the city is is that basically our current water impact fee is $500. The study says our useful life is
1580 and the replacement value would be 370. But with the surrounding cities that we have right now, my proposal to the city council would be that we take our impact fee from $500 to 1,000, which would be a $500
increase. The wastewater currently is 1,400. The useful life remaining recommendation was 2820. The replacement value is 6,150. Same thing with looking at the surrounding neighboring community. My
recommendation is to take our $1,400 impact fee to an even 2,000 which was a $600 increase. So our water and sewer impact fee right now is currently $1,900. It would then total go to 3,000.
That' be $1,100. It's a $1,100 increase. for new construction for new construction and just know just know residential residential commercial it's both but and just know that with the statute and everything that once we make these changes we can't make another change for four years. Yeah.
We can decrease at any time the city council chooses but you can't increase again for another four years. Okay. And we're coming in less than the state recommended. Correct. The original replacement value was coming in at 370 and
6,150. Um. Wow. But that far exceeds any of the counties or the C's impact fees. Okay. Well, my question is where are we compared to the other cities is what I So, currently if you took a
three-bedroom, two bath house and you built it in Springfield, your water impact fee would be $966.86. Your sewer impact fee would be 12,700 12 thou $1277.88. And if you built the same
thing over in Callaway, it would be 1,020 for a water impact fee and 1,735 for a sewer impact fee. So 3,000 would put us in line with the other cities. We're going to be with our
neighboring cities. We're going to be really really close. But just to be clear, this this is not what rural water is computed to be the the amounts necessary to correct replace
the system. Yeah, this is below their recommendation even for remaining useful life. How are the other cities going to pay for their upgrade in their new system if they don't charge enough? The biggest thing is, you know, impact fees
are restricted funds. Yeah. So, they're using their impact fees to leverage the grants, right? To get their infrastructure. So, they're just trying to get a match on it. Yeah. Have you seen any, Tony? Seen any grant money out there for it? We haven't pursued anything since we got this FRF
project going on right now because we've already got a match that we got to pay on it. For those of you that don't know, we we are uh it's about to start. We have a state revolving fund grant that we borrowed $7 million to upgrade the city
of Parker's water system, which is woefully woefully failing. And we're going to have uh places in Parker that currently doesn't have fire protection because they don't have fire hydrants. And we're going to have 8 in lines instead of a variety of lines that we
currently have. We're going to do away with ducttail iron. And we're going to have PVC. It's the future. And um we've gave uh recommendations to all the people for example on Tindle Parkway, which where we're starting at Blueest Star. We're starting at under the oaks.
Okay. So this is going to start at under the oaks. And is it going to run both directions to start with? It's going to run under the oaks south. Yeah. And when they get that side done, then they're going to come up the other side. Okay. So basically the beginning is to if you look at Tindle Parkway um it's my desire
to fill in all the vacant spots uh with new homes uh apartments and places for people to buy food restaurants and we can't because uh there's no water you go on the end of
the oak side uh we had to close Tindle Parkway two weeks ago because they had a grass fire that in itself is no big deal, but it ran all the way to the apartment complex and we can't afford to be in a position where we would lose a an apartment complex because there was no fire protection. So, we blocked the
parkway, lay a lines across the parkway, put the fire out, took them a couple hours, but if they didn't do that, we might have lost some apartments. So, this is going to be huge for our city. So, what he's saying is if you look at under the oaks park, the the project
will start there and it will run south to the bridge and then jump across. Yes. One of the first things I did when I became mayor is we loop the water. I don't know if you understand this or not, but water pressure comes from different things. Let's say you got 37
pounds of water pressure, but it's not looped. In other words, it's not all hooked together. As soon as you start looping your water, you double your water pressure. So, that's what we're about to do. We're going to put in a water line and tag into where we looped it at West Cooper Drive. And then we're
going to have new hydrants and all those restaurants will start to pour in and part businesses will start to pour in and and build on the Parkway where they haven't been able to build before. And um uh if you ride down there, you'll
you'll see uh the trailers have been delivered for the office for the new bridge because there's going to come a time when you're going to come off the brand new Tindle Bridge and you're going to look at a completely completely uh renovated Parker. But one of the things
we got to have is water for fire protection, water for uh toilets, water for restaurants, water for everything you use water for. So, uh that's where this SRF is going and uh they came the
state came and gave us this uh wonderful um survey that we used and they did the same thing for sewer and I'm wondering are we going to show will we fall short if we can't make no changes in four
years? Well, I mean, we're going to have to leverage our impact fees to to find more grants. Right. Right. If it's available, if a ginatorial change doesn't mean there'll be no more grants, there's clean drinking water grants and stuff, those grants. We we've just not had the
first. So, what he's saying is, let's say we collect up $50,000 in impact fees. We wouldn't just spend it on a project. We would look for a grant because very often grants are match. So if it's $100,000, you put 50 of yours and 50 in of the Fed's money down.
Sometimes you got to front the whole amount and we could do that and then they give you back your half after it's over. And that's kind of where where we're what we would be looking to do in whatever we did. But uh so your recommendation right now is to even it
up at 3,000 and that will be sufficient. Yes. For for four and then we'll re-evaluate in four years. Okay. And is there anything anybody thinks of conversation more than just Mr. Anybody have anything they'd like to to input to
help us make this decision? I got the expert here from Tallahassee to answer questions. I I don't know. $3,000 is a bargain for water and sewer tap for a new house. It just be absorbed into the cost of increase in the cost of
the house. Yeah, absolutely, man. Well, if you don't talk, we won't know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mayor, council members, thanks for having me. Garrett Anderson. I own Anderson Construction Company over in Panama City and been a builder pretty much uh 30 some years, but 22 uh as
Anderson Construction in town. And I appreciate uh you having the workshop and hearing out the builder community. And you know, every day we we are given proposals to homeowners about affordable housing. That's really not a word anymore. It's more about attainable
housing. Yeah. Attainable. You know, and every 10 grand you tack on a home, it it's $70 a month. $70 a month. You know, and people are people are they're they're interested in what their monthly rate is, right? Just like buying a car. So, it's a real battle. And And I understand y'all's battle. You got
infrastructure to keep up with. And uh you know when we when we first saw these numbers obviously we're concerned because you're adding $70 a month uh and it didn't really speak to commercial properties and and renovation properties and you know you renovate a bathroom and
add a vanity. You know there may be an impact and I don't know well unfortunately Parker doesn't we we don't use a fixture count we just have an equivalent residential connection. So the only impact fee extra you would have would be at the county at the permit. Right. Okay. Yeah. So I think what I'm
sorry I didn't catch your name Tony Tony someone Tony I think he's I mean that those are reasonable rates. I mean we don't try to kill nobody and last week when they came I thought man why is the people so angry you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean and all the people I called they were like well we didn't
realize that you know. Yes sir. Mr. Mayor and I I get that and I I think three grand is is appropriate and you know you it's competitive. It's competitive with your neighbor your neighbors and you know I'm What do you get in Panama? What do they charge for a new house in Panama for the impact fees?
Well, it's a lot more than three grand. It uh in Panama City they do, sir. Yeah. And it's a it's like you said, Tony, it's a spreadsheet and you do the variable. And you know what I've seen is I've seen some uh impact fees. You know, 24 to 30% of a house is what we call
impact fees or taxes that the government imposes on a building. Y And a lot of it can be indirect costs. You don't even know it. You know, it's sales taxes, it's cost of development, it's carrying cost, all those costs that are involved. Closing cost, title cost. A lot of
people don't see that. And so that that's what you know that's And it's being financed. Yes, sir. I mean, that's all. Yeah. And then your adorian taxes go up because the price of the house goes up and it just it just feeds on itself and your insurance costs go up. So anyway, um yeah, it it depends, sir.
I mean, if you do a commercial building on Panama City Beach, it's going to be different than Panama City. It's going to be different than here. It's But it's just how bad you want growth or not want growth, right? And we've seen municipalities do that. They don't want any more growth, especially in Central Florida, South Florida, then they tax you out to and then they tax you out the
wazoo and they don't want you anymore. That's right. So, you know, I uh I applaud you guys for taking a look at that. And, you know, we're we're just we want to get people in homes that want to be in homes, you know, and get out of the rental world. have home ownership. Everybody should own a home. It's the
American dream, right? Yes, sir. Own a house. So, that's that's I I'm passionate about that. Me, too. So, you know, you're welcome to call me if more questions. We do appreciate you having the workshop, though. Well, it's important because we were a little premature last time and we should have
had the workshop prior. Uh this is still all news to us, new to us. You know, we never had this is our second year of adorum taxes. We're able to do things now we couldn't even think about three years ago. Sure. And um to be honest with you, I'll be strictly honest with
you. I thought I would get thrown out of office when we even mentioned adorum tax, but now we're able to accomplish things we could never accomplish before and get the money we need to be able to do the things we need to do. You know,
this this SRF is going to be huge, not just for for the fire protection, but for the people that own lots that have no water and all new homes will be built on that side of the highway. It's going to be a monumental. It will be. It'll be monumental. Yeah, I think that'll be a
game changer for you. And you're going to have all of the Air Force base. It's going to be up and running in 10 years. It'll be done. The bridge will be done. And Parker's going to fill up with GIS. is going to fill up with folks that that that want to live here, want to rent here. The base is not going to have enough housing. They want to come here.
They want to eat here. They want to buy they want to do the things that humans do every day. And I want them to stay here. I don't want them to drive through Parker, you know, and go to Linhaven to spend the night. I want them to buy a house in Parker and rent an apartment in Parker or whatever they got
to do. That's my vision. So, just for clarification, um the city of Parker, you guys would own the pipe utility, but Bay County still will provide you buy the water from We buy the water from them. Yeah. And the sewer you pay to Bay
County. Yeah. We pay it back. So, you're talking about strict capacity money for pipe. Yep. Okay. Simple. Yeah. Basically, the impact fees will what they're doing right now is is we're increasing the diameter of our pipes because of the growth. Okay.
Good. All right. Well, thank you. It's a win-win. It is. It's a good thing. Well, I appreciate the reconsideration on the fees. You know, that's that'll incentivize some folks still. So, Absolutely. Thank you, Mr. Thank you, sir. Yep. Okay, Mr. Summerland. Yes,
ma'am. This you were talking about the other amount that Springfield and Callaway charge, and that's based on a threebedroom, two bath house. Okay. Is this what we're basing this amount on? What do we do if you got somebody builds a five- bedroomedroom house or you're
talking about a business? Is this straight across the board? Well, you have a multiplier. We have an ERC multiplier and that basically only goes on the meter size and that's what the city of Parker's used for the last 20 years. And that table um is in your
ordinance on page five. And so basically, you know, a regular house meter is a multiplier of one. So it's one times that. A one inch meter, kind of like Mr. Gordon had the other night with why his fees were so high, he put a one inch meter. So it's two and a half times both those impact fees. So every
time the meter size steps up, the multiplier steps up. Ladies, you came the last time. I'm curious what what can I answer your questions about anybody? Hey. Hi. I'm Melissa Strange. I'm with the Central Panhandle Association of
Realtors. Yeah. Um I do have um a quick question that I'd like clarity on first before I go into kind of the main thing I wanted to talk to you about. Um based on your last statement, you just said something about um capacity with the needing just this is meant to pay for
the capacity and pipes that we need for Well, that's what infrastructure I mean that's what impact money is restricted for four for so um if I can just gain clarity truly on this on the study here on the water side it says that Parker still has 47% remaining in their capacity and then in the wastewater it
shows they've got 68.9% remaining. So that that capacity that you're talking about though is the capacity that Bay County allows us to have. I see that's not capacity in the system. We only allowed certain amount of gallons and Bay County only allows us a certain
amount of gallons in the Parker. Thank you. That makes a lot more sense to me. Um, I really wanted to say thank you so much for talking about a much more reasonable fee. Uh, really just mimicking what EBIA has to say as well with this. Um, I I know that so many
people are about to come here from Tindle over the next few years. I'm a military spouse. um you know, one in four families, military families, can't afford to put food on the table. Um and 26% of military spouses can't gain employment. So, it's a huge issue
affording a home as a military family. So, I'm very passionate about it. Um I would just ask if maybe we could think about perhaps adding an exclusion so that maybe affordable housing that meets the affordable housing criteria for the state of Florida could be exempt from
having to pay this. And it makes it a little bit more easier for these lowincome families and potentially military families to come in and actually gain that dream of owning a home. I don't know if that would be a possibility or something that would be able to be up for discussion of adding that exclusion
to to your ordinance. The reason why the impact fee is there because they're going to be getting water and putting sewer every time a house is built. That's where the why it's impacting the system. Absolutely. So, I mean, if we go
I mean, I don't know what the rest of you feel. If an individual, my wife and I moved here from Hawaii when we got out, today's military gets paid a lot more than they did 25, 30 years ago. And there's many, many more people that work
in Bay County that don't make what say an E4 would make, right? So, I'm not necessarily uh understanding if if that would be considered a need for subsidized uh mortgage or rent for a for a soldier
because your rent is predicated by the amount of money your cola, your cost of living, your whole your housing allowance is predicated on how much you spend for the rank you have. So that's today's not quite like it was
when they earned like the apartments down on Tindle Parkway are 1650 a month for a one-bedroom and those airmen are able to afford that when they're allowance. Yeah, it definitely depends on the rank you are and how many dependents you have and all of that what you and and based on the zip code that
you're living in on how much it does house allow housing allowance you get. Right. Yes. Um, but and when you own a home, like when you live on a military base, they automatically just take that housing allowance. They take the home, right? You don't like pay a check or something.
They just take it from your Right. That's right. So, when you own a home, that doesn't happen. It goes into your check. And so, some soldiers, like officers, might be making money from their housing allowance, right? Because their mortgage might be much less than what the military is giving them, right?
Yeah. Um, but most of the time that's not the case. And I'm not I'm truly not just speaking just about military members. I'm really talking about anybody that falls into that category of needing affordable housing. Um and I know I can't read them to you off the cuff here, but I do know that the state
of Florida does have very strict regulations for what an affordable house they do um means and what the building code is for that. You know, they're smaller homes, they're cheaper to to build and all that stuff and then they're cheaper to buy. So, um, I just wasn't sure if that was something that
we could potentially have the commission or the council look further into and decide if that's an exemption that they maybe could afford if you guys will be building some affordable housing in the city. We won't, but if people want to build that, I'm sure they could apply for permit. Sure. Yeah, that's what I
meant. You know, I uh you're the house builders. What do you think? I mean, it's moving forward in the future. You you you want to build uh well, how many square feet house are you thinking? I don't know. Sorry. I'm not I'm not a builder. I mean, you know,
because none of the houses they built in Parker recently been less than 2,000 square feet. Yeah. They just they they some big beautiful homes. Yeah. I've not I mean and just what we've gone through right now with the last couple years we got right now I've not seen a house
built in Parker less than 200 you know 200 feet $200,000. Oh, two. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They've gone for 400,000 start. I was saying. I mean, even even our lots are over 50,000. Yeah. I mean, lot values have gone up tremendously in
Parker. Parker Parker unfortunately doesn't have much land left. So, what little land they do have, they're mainly knocking down house and building putting a new house. That's common now. They bulldoze an old house and uh and build the brand new one. people. Are those
properties paying this impact fee? Then if it's the property is already established as a res. So they tear down the house, they put a cap over the sewer and water and then they build the house. There's no impact fee because it's already there. It's already there. Okay. Smart move for
somebody. Okay. Well, thank you very much for hearing me out. I appreciate your time. Thank you, ma'am. I open the floor to anybody that wants to uh have a question for us. Council, do you have anything you'd like to talk about?
Could we vote tonight? No, sir. You have to have two um one. So, you want to you want to take a 10-minute break and have another They have to be advertised, Mayor. Okay. It's scheduled. Hey, Kathleen O'Brien,
1455 Parkway Drive. You didn't mention Mexico Beach. I drove through there yesterday and they've certainly got a lot of building going on over there. They surely do. They do. It's a shame with they're they're ruining the whole place over there in my opinion, but uh sorry. No, they don't. It's bad. Did you
check what their impact fee situation is? The the one the two that I checked were our neighboring cities basically that were close touching our borders. I didn't really reach out to Mexico Beach because they they're all using a fixture counter. So, I mean, it's like we told them basically do a three bath, two bath
house. This is what it's going to be. You know, they might be higher than us. I don't see no one that I've talked to is as low as we are. Even at we're going to be we're going to be a little higher now with 3,000,
but there again, we can't just nothing for four years. I mean, and the main thing is too, you got to talk about our neighboring cities. When it comes to Springfield or Panama City, they have a lot more land to build on than we do. So, we have a select amount of area. Well, there is no impact fee if you buy a house in Bulldoz
because it's already there. No, but that's what I'm saying. As far as in our case, it's no there's nothing there for for Parker. Yeah. But like the man said, Panama City is a lot more expensive. And uh I just don't want us to get caught behind the power
curve and and not be able to provide a service for the people of Parker who already live here, regardless of who moves forward in the future and buys a 400. Your house may be worth 400,000, but you may not have paid but a h 100red,000 for it when you bought it. And that's just that's just business,
you know. But uh I'm of the opinion that uh everybody I know that I've spoke to even today thinks that Mr. Slan's numbers are good. And uh this gentleman when he spoke it made me feel good
inside because I he does it for a living. So I know I trust his judgment. And u anybody else have anything they'd like to talk about? I'm open, man. I am open to whatever you say. You can't change your mind now.
Okay. I think we're doing right. Thank you, sir. Anything, council, before we close. Until the next meeting. Till the next meeting. When is When is the next meeting? Oh, no. No problem. I think he felt like everybody
was staring at him waiting for I distracted him and asked him questions. That's okay. Okay. Yes, sir. Um, go. What's the next meeting? Next workshop is going to be next Thursday on the 15th. So the 15th um uh at the same
time, same bat channel. So 5:30 next Thursday. If you'd like to come back, nothing's going to probably change between now and then. The numbers are what they are. I'm sorry we drugg you all the way from Tallahassee, but uh glad to be okay. Beautiful job.
Thank you. And I and I know you did did a great study and uh I know that uh we probably need that amount of money in order to do it, but like like they say it's Yeah. Yep. Okay. Mr. Sloan, will we be
will we be Come up to the podium so we can hear you. That'll be your second workshop and then at the next regular meeting you would have your Sorry. We were just there updated or hold Yes, ma'am. Go ahead. Sorry. We were just wondering if there was an updated ordinance yet on the website or will
that be after That will probably be after the second workshop. Once the census is up good with the figures, then Mr. Sloan will reddraft it. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Okay, I just have to change the numbers. The rest of the text, he'll have it done
this afternoon. Don't even think about trying to buy one. No, please don't. There there aren't as many as there were. I'll say that. Once that water goes on the Parkway, there'll be some vacant lots. Well, those are and there again, mayor, we still we have
development orders pending on those lots ready to build, but they can't build without water, right? What about if somebody has a pending? They're going to have to jump up to the 3000. No, this this will not take effect for 90 days, right? So even when it's adopted, they
have they have 90 days before it. And we still have to have two re two readings on it, don't we? Yeah. Yeah. This is one second a second workshop and then two readings and then we'll adopt or not go to We've already had the two readings. We've had the two readings. Yeah. So we
just need another workshop then we can adopt it which is at the 15th and that'll be 5:30 on the 15th. And then the way the ordinance is set up and the statutes uh are looking uh it would be a 90day before it would implemented. Yes.
Yes. Anything else? Anybody? Okay. Thank you all very much for coming.