Good. Yes. Good evening everybody. Welcome to the city park council meeting. Um meeting called to order. Will you do the invocation for us, Mr. Chapel? Everybody, please stand.
Oh Lord, bless this council that we make the right decisions tonight on the what's on the agenda and bless our firefighters and our police officers that they will be uh safe in harm's way. I ask this in your name. Amen.
Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Be seated. See, we got here. Madame clerk, will you please call the role? Yes. Miss Barrow, here. Miss Barford, here. Mr. Chapel, here. Mr. Mr. Haney here, Mayor Kelly here. Thank you. Now, as with uh like we do every week, uh if there's anybody in
the audience that would like to come to the podium, please state your name and your address and tell us what it is you'd like to talk about. Go ahead. So, every time when I come to these meetings, I walk past this oil
container. I called them a couple of times. It's seeping. It's going to It's starting to stink. So, here and get them to do something because they don't call me back. Have you opened the door and looked in there? I don't know. I've seen it come out around the concrete.
Okay. That tells me something's overflowing. We'll take care of it. Thank you, ma'am. Yes, sir. Please come to the podium. 1034 place. Uh the mayor said he's got us on the agenda for the next meeting.
And this is in reference to uh nonconforming properties that went into a change of ownership that they're not transferable. When this all went on during all the
meetings, there was nobody here that represented us or our properties when this change went on. If it would have been, the probably half a dozen of us would have been here to voice our opinion how you can make our nonconforming
not be sellable. We've lost value in our property. How can I duplex. 1955 is when it was built. It's red brick, all new thermal pane windows, new gal uh standing seam roof. The only other one is a forplex
uh down the street from me that was built in 1957. And the Walshes have two duplexes that were built in the mid70s. Now, how could anybody that lives in Parker drive through there and after all
these years not notice there's a forplex, a duplex, and two duplexes in this street in this city and not let us know that they're about to be terminated. Uh some major financial loss
for us to have a property. I've got five houses and eight tracks of land in this city. I'm vested. The washers are vested. They have stuff down near the park. It doesn't make sense that this would have gone in there. And then we've been told that we can maybe address this as a
variance on these properties, but these properties shouldn't be variance. They don't even fit in the criteria of a variance. A variance is about a structure you're adding something to, not a variance is not something a legal term that you would go in and have a nonconforming piece of real estate uh
variance that it's can exist. So what I'm saying is if we have to do a variance on these, each individual has to come up separately to do their own variance and jump through a bunch of hoops and neighbors get to vote on it when it should that term
change of ownership should have never been in here. Uh I come to a lot of meetings even in 22 and was aware of this. I ask you a question. Let's say uh tomorrow I bought a duplex in Parker. Correct.
And I didn't want it to be a duplex anymore. I wanted to be one home. Correct. Would you stop me from doing that? No. I could I could go ahead and make it a single family. Do that. Coach says you can take a multifamily and make it into a single family. Right. Right. It's not an issue
issue. That's what that last lady did. She converted hers to a single family and then wanted to put it back as a duplex, which you can. Okay. So, if I bought a duplex or forplex or whatever, and let's say I bought it because it was on the water specifically, that would be why I would
buy it. Um, hold the time, please. Um, could I move it to a single family dwelling? Yes. And that's what Parker wants. Okay. They want anything anything that's Gary, let me get a chance to finish, brother. Sorry. You read the state law on it. What did
the state law say? The state law stipulates on non-conforming properties Florida state law that it can maintain as a uh nonconforming piece of property which is called grandfathers claimment term.
Okay. The only thing that makes this not be conforming anymore. They stipulate about three things criteria. You can't enlarge it. If a hurricane hits it or something is damaged more than 51%
it has to go back as single family. Okay. But they have a criteria of damages and if it's abandoned under renovation or abandoned more than 180 days they can make that nonconforming conform. And
none of our property fit in any of that. The state does not control zonings. They don't control whether you make this uh decision on non-conforming being not transferable. Okay. I called and looked up state and the
state has no ruling on this. I was told before that this is by by the state but the state does not regulate what the county and the city does. All right. All right. So I buy I buy a duplex and I decide I'm going to make it a one single family dwelling.
Correct. Um, what stops me from deciding I'm going to make it a triplex or a forplex in the future? Because of the zoning laws right now that are on hand. Okay. So, what you're saying is I could make it um a single family dwelling, but
I would not be able to go back the other way. Is that what you're saying? You can't once you've converted it, then that's what it is forever. Okay. And you you found that under state law? Yes. Okay. In other words, if you convert it to a single family, then it fits under the government rule that is a single family
home and then it's like anybody in the city that wants to make a multifamily home in an R1 right you can't do it right okay so so in 14 days or no in 3 weeks you're going to come back and you're going to present to us what you're going to present any
documentation you may have before then could we have that absolutely so that we are more uh versed in what you're saying because there Or I may buy a duplex. I to rent. I don't know. Uh I haven't
bought one yet, but I might if I decided that I wanted to put it as a single family dwelling. I want to see the papers where it says I can legally do that and that I'm legally bound to keep it that way. Okay? Because see the zoning already is R1. So if you had a duplex that was in
R1 and you wanted to make it R1, you really wouldn't have to do much but just convert it. that it be permanently R1 for now own now the reason this phrase was put in here change of ownership that it it can't be
transferred which means if I sell my duplex I can't set up to an investment what can I do with it duplex I can't do anything with it so as it stands right now you're telling me I couldn't buy that duplex we're talking about you could but when as soon as you
but I couldn't convert it to a single family dwelling. The issue is if you bought it, the day you bought it, it could not be a duplex anymore. You'd have a duplex that you couldn't rent as a duplex. Okay? It would be nonexistent. So, it lose its value because you got a house.
So, to advertise it, would you advertise it as a duplex or a single family dwelling? Uh, I can't right now because it would be uh uh misinterpreting, letting people give them bad information. Real estate. I bought and sold property 35 years and I always disclose everything.
Everything. Yeah, you can. If you try to sell somebody something that's a duplex, they buy it and they find out they can't rent it as a duplex. They got legal recourse for you. Come back. But then you do have buyer beware. So would you do me a favor, please? As I said a minute ago, make a copy of
everything you've been able to find because I'd like to read the subject matter before I look at it. It's only that I know of three multifamilies in Donaldson. But we want to make sure we do it right. Probably other ones, but those are the only ones that I know. But we want to make sure we do it right, brother. We do.
Oh, I know that. And that's why I'm here to just try to see if we can get this corrected. You know, I'm not I'm not in a position where I'm willing to vote on nothing right now. Okay. Not until I've had a chance to read it. Will you give your vote to one of my monkeys?
Yeah. If it comes to a monkey. Yeah. Anyway, thank you, Mr. Shouldn't we get Mr. Regan and the rest of the planning council in to discuss that be brought to them and discuss let them discuss it land use issues? I mean that should be where it should go
first and then come to us. Well, the planning council's for planning and what are we planning to do? We're not talking about today. I mean, we're going to wait till I've had a chance to see what this is. I don't make decisions for me. I'm not making any decisions until I've read the
documents and I've had legal advice. And I don't understand why the few multifamily non-compliance, there's three of them, you know, they can come in and cite you because your grass is too high or you got a fence that needs repair, but three
places in Donaldson while they weren't brought aware of this changing where we couldn't sell our properties. Right. Right. Property I could convert to a single family probably jumping through major financial hoops, right? The Walshes can't. They've got
two duplexes side by side. That's not an easy conversion. But most people buy a duplex to rent, don't they? Live in one side, rent one side, rent both of them, you know. And I think I was told by the city council that 60% of the properties in rentals or investment.
I've heard that before. I don't know that to be a fact. I don't know that to be a fact, but I've heard that. But anyway, thank you for your time. You're welcome, sir. Okay. Thank you, sir. Go ahead. Chuck Walsh 650 Oakore Drive. Yes, sir.
We live almost immediately adjacent to Earl Gilbert Park. Yes, sir. And all the remodeling all down there just worked out wonderfully. It's extremely popular down there. I think they even got a ladies diving thing going on this weekend down there. See, there's all kinds of activity down
there. But one thing I notic all the people down there the speed limit is 20 the posted speed limit is 25 the confines of the park I did a little research on that and they and the average is 15 miles an hour in a city park
I just feel like you know it's kind of a hazardous situation because there's kids running on a place people watching boats people doing this and that so you've got one person ahead of you that we're working on right now we have a device replace on the side of the
and it records the traffic and uh when we get through with this location we're doing now, I'll have them put it on your street and that way I don't spend the money for speed bumps if there's not an actual situation, you know. Well, they do have some posted signs that say 25,
right? And I mean, you know, if a posted speed is 25, most people are going to drive a little bit over that, right? I don't know what the legal limit really is, but only 10. So, it's not unusual. See people driving 35 40 miles.
Right. That's pretty fast down there. 40 is pretty fast. Right. Right. Right. Very fast. 40 down there. And it gets real real busy down there on weekends. Yeah, it does. Thought I'd bring that up. And And on that issue that Mr. Brand is talking
about, we're going to be in Ireland. We're going to be in Ireland the time of your next meeting. Yeah. But that's okay. We'll wait. This is going to take me a minute, the council a minute to do all the research. Um, everybody's taking their vacations. People on the planning council are
actually taking vacation. Uh, I got to ask for legal rulings from folks, you know, bring it back to the council. We may have to have a workshop. Don't know. But there's lots of things to consider. Let's say we let's just for argument sake we say today that all of the uh
duplexes in Parker triplexes forplexes are compliant for resale for the next hundred years but you can't build anymore. I mean that's something that I'm going to have to have advice on that I couldn't even dream to consider that for
the city council unless we have some legal guidance first. So there's no great rush. I mean, we got we got time. I can assure you, Gary ain't going to let me go too fast on this. This is just the start of getting it looked at. I do have I'm buying a boat from a real
estate attorney in South Walton and he told me that, you know, he deals that kind of stuff a lot. Yeah. He said that he, you know, he'd be glad to write a letter or whatever and all, but you know what stuff is on that. So, enjoy your trip to Ireland. By the time
you come home, we may have it resolved. That'd be nice. Okay sir. Thank you. Anybody? Nobody. Okay. Uh approval of the minutes, ladies and gentlemen.
I have a correction. Okay. Page two. Uh discussion by items by commissioners. It says council council hating inquired about the speed machine being put in place park. I did not
inquire about that. I inquired about the speed limit being dropped 10 miles per hour at the park. Okay. And I I'm not sure where this came from, but did you hear what he just said? I heard it. Yeah. He he had asked in the last council meeting that we reduce the speed limit at Earl
Gilbert Park. Okay. Situation stays the same. We still got We're working on one right now. Once the police get through with that, we'll move the machine over and who who can be there or not, but I we we I think
we still need to reduce that speed limit in that park at least by 10 miles hour, if not 15 miles per hour. Well, what about the other people in there that may not agree? Well, they could just slow down and be happy. I'd rather I'd rather be somebody get
this turn because they got to slow down instead of a kid getting run over. Exactly. Slow down. Could we Why don't we reduce the speed limit across the city? It's already drop it to 25. I mean, that's the same thing. We're
not, you know, I mean, that's in a park. That's that's a little different throughout the city. That's that's in a a recreational park. It should be slowed down from my my feeling. Okay. So, what was it? He he can you correct that in a minute?
I I'll let Miss Bunny know. Okay. Thank you. Definitely. Anything else, sir? Yes, sir. Okay. Okay, with the exception of that one correction that the clerk will do. Do we have a I make a motion that we accept them with a correction? Accepted with a correction. We have a second. Second. We got a first and second. You call the
roll? Yes. Miss Barrow? Yes. Miss Bterford? Yes. Mr. Chapel? Yes. Mr. Haney? Yes. M. Mayor Kelly? Yes. Uh, Mr. Summerland. Sir, you have the floor for your annual NEPD discussion.
Yes, sir. This is our annual net discussion on NPDS which is national discharge. Um basically this is just an informal discussion let everyone know that city
park is doing the best we can do to keep drains clean. Um monitoring the storm water runoff. We have programs like adopt a drain that people can call and sign up adopt the drains. We have a recycling on the website. We have an annual cleanup day coming September,
October, Saturday, October 11th. Um, we basically will ask everyone to try to clean up their yards, paint the drains, areas for the runoff that goes to the ditches in the covers and then we'll pick up all that the following week and calculate the increased tonnage for that
week so we can report that. Um, we have a phone number for illegal dumping. If you see someone dumping paint, kitty litter, we have a very very big problem with people dropping dumping their cat litter in the storm drains. Um, it's a very big problem. And also people
washing out paint, a lot of paint in the storm drains. And then we have a list of a list of discharges and everything that tells people what to wash up for their grass clippings, household cleaners, paints, pesticides, solvents, stuff like that that they think it's okay to wash.
It's okay to wash those items in your yard. just don't wash them down the driveway or down down the roads because they do go to our bays. Um we've teamed up with an organization called St. Andrews State St. Andrews St. Joseph Bay Estuary Program. They got a grant for
some litter traps and we're a part of that now. We've installed 11 litter traps in the city. And basically what this is is we've removed the storm grate. They put a big old plastic shield inside the storm drain box and it has a catch pad basket in the middle of it.
And then every quarter um FSU and us go out and we pull open the grates. They take the debris that they're catching in those and they're weighing it right now to try to track how functional these litter traps are. So like I said, we have 11 of them out in the city right now. We put them in all over the city
just to see what it is. But you know, it's a a pretty good thing. Hopefully they're going to get a grant to get more, but also catches it catches a lot of the leaves and the runoff and stuff. So, it's pretty neat. You can actually Google it. It's on YouTube. You can actually Google lith trap and see exactly what it is. Um, but that's
basically it. Like I said, we've done a lot of storm water improvements here in the last couple months. We fixed a lot of head walls and mitered ins and some failing drain pipes and I believe the retention pond and the retention areas are working. So, we're going to find out here the next three days how good this rainfall does.
Yep. Thank you, Mr. Someone did the the rain stoppers work they just stop the rain from going into this sewers the letter traps are a whole different Yeah litter traps are catching debris in the drain boxes right so like if someone goes over there and
pours a whole bunch of kitty litter in there that litter trap's going to catch it all so it's not the manhole is that okay this these are actually drain boxes like I said if you Google it litter trap it's basically a big old black shield that goes in there and then it slides everything to the center And then there's a basket. You go in there, you
pull it out, and they can shake that basket out. It catches everything in that basket. And when those get stopped up, it's Yeah. But we're we know where those 11 are. So, we're monitoring those after every rain event just to make sure. We just had them emptied out two weeks ago. Um, so the guys know exactly where those
are. So, we're keeping an eye on them, make sure that they don't get clogged up. That's it. Thank you, Mr. Simone. Thank you for your report. I got one other thing. How many sign traffic speed signs are there in the uh is it the on Oakshore Drive you're referring to? I think there's only two.
There's two. Are they both 25s or 35s? Whatever. Um do we need to vote? I don't think we need a vote to change them to speed to reduce the speed that we sign. Well, if you're going to do it on a specific location, yes, sir. I would recommend you have to I would say you have to take
a vote and make a council action is any any accident or anything down there. Okay. So, I can't make a motion, but if there's anybody on the council wants to make a motion to reduce the speed limit to 15, we got a first and a second. Call a roll, please. Sorry.
Miss Barrow? Yes. Miss Bford? Yes. Mr. Chapel? Yes. Mr. Haney? Yes. Mayor Kelly? Yes. You do do that for me tomorrow. Let me ask for some direction on that. Okay. Okay. So, where are we posting the change at? Is it the entire road? the
everywhere there's a speed limit sign on Oakshore Drive that says 25, drop it to 15. So, we're going to change the two. There's only two signs you said, right? Then that's it. Just unscrew the old plate, put new plate on there. 110. Yep. We're going to 15. Drop it 10.
Drop it. Yeah. Because you said there were 25s, right? Pair of 25s. Yeah, that's fine. Awesome. That's fine. Okay, Mr. Chapel, my brother, you got the floor. Yes. Um, first thing I got is uh the
last month's uh yard sale out underneath the pavilion. We had 42 people show up for buying stuff. This month uh we had 58 people show up and uh it looks like it's starting to build.
I got a call today. A man wants to know if he can do uh sell peanuts out there. boil pennants and I told him, "Yeah, that's right. I know you can." So, u the next uh
next yard sale will be the second week, the second Saturday of the month on the 9th. We're going to try doing them the second Saturday of every month and see how it keeps on going. If it uh pans out, we'll keep it. If not, then it on
the 29th of July this month, we have a town hall. And as far as I know, we're going to use it at the town hall meeting. Normal place down there. Yeah. Yeah. And if that's the time to if you want to got any gripes or got any
suggestions, that's the time to come and bring them up and let us work on them. Um, and then, uh, the last thing I got is, uh, on the 1st of September,
we're having a, uh, a pig roast out underneath the pavilion. It'll be at 5:00. Uh, it takes about 8 to 10 hours to cook a pig. So, the mayor and I will be out there cooking a pig. If you want
to see how a pig gets cooked, it's a covered dish affair. um bring your own cutter dish and uh we have tables, picnic tables out there that will hold about 60 people. So we
have more than that. Uh you need to bring a chair or something like that that you can uh sit in and eat. Um but that's all we got. Mr. Haney, you got the floor. Good. Miss Barl,
um, when are we going to be having workshops to discuss the budget? Well, we have a budget that's not finished yet. They bookkeeper just sent out letters this week to all the department heads. Is there a specific thing you want to talk about or
no? I just thought that we would discuss it. Would it be brought to us to discuss and look it over? Well, you're going to get I think Didn't she give you gentlemen a week to get your results back to her Monday? Mon. Okay. They'll have the
results back to uh Suzanne Monday and then she'll prepare the budget based upon the requests of the department supervisors and that'll give us a chance to have some time together to be able to look it over. I suspect what she'll want to do
is give it to each council member and then have a workshop. Well, I would like I don't know how the council feels about it, but I know they're fixing their budget up. It's what Okay, well, this is all we can get, but I would like a a want list from each one of them. Something that if they
could if there's things that they would like to have that they could give us that we could look at just in case, you know, each department wanted something different than or besides what's on the agenda, I mean on the uh budget that they
Well, the department heads are supposed to put in their budget what they want. I mean, I don't know. Is is there anything that you gentlemen want that you aren't going to put in your budget? Well, I mean, we have like last year we took it out of the budget because we
didn't have fun. So, we didn't present it to the council because you didn't have the money to pay for them, right? And this year, you have what now? Because obviously I'm hearing something I haven't heard yet. No, I mean you were part of last year's. I mean we had items in it that we had to remove because we had to pay for other
things. One of the items was like the backho. People had said why don't we budget back? We didn't have the budget to pay for the back. Right. That's why we chose a different fund. But the backho got delivered yesterday. Right. Right. But but there again like I said I'm not speaking to all department but I mean
there might be some items that we would like to have but we know what the finances will be and we probably Well, there's no reason why you can't bring it to the council and ask because I know there was stuff went on about the police department said, "Well, we didn't
give them this, we didn't give them that." Well, we were never asked. So, I'm asking that if you know the other grounds, I'm asking to get something. If you if there's things you would like to have, we may find the money to get it. I mean, it's not that Don't feel scared to ask for it. Don't
hurt to ask. You might not get it, but you can ask. The fire department Oh, they have given me a a document for replacement for engine 8. We're waiting to do the pump test on it. Um, the replacement engine is a million442.
Put that down. I mean, at least Oh, yeah. He's He submitted it. Can we budget for a Tony? What we going to end up having? A new replacement to meet the growth of the city of Parker is a million442. So anyway, take and I would like to um make sure that we
discuss the sign that I was asking about and get an amount and and see where where that's at. U the fine. The sign ask about Yeah, that we'll put in the budget. That we'll put in the budget. Well, I'd like to see what you got and
just see what you got. Maybe we want to change it or something, but I'm just saying that I would like to look at it. And Mr. attorney. This is a question for you. If if anyone files a complaint against the city of Parker, the city or
council members or employees, uh does the state attorney's office let you know when that happens? Do you are you aware of it? State attorney would only deal with criminal complaints. And
no, I don't think I would necessarily hear about any criminal complaints that are not pursued by the state's attorney's office. They they have a process where the complaints filed and then they review that complaint, determine whether or not to
file a charge against the person. Okay? So they they get all these in there and they put them in there even though if they're not criminal, but they have a stack. Um so how do we know who
has filed any against the city? Well, I could request them. Whether or not they produce them with voluntary request, I don't know, but certainly we can make a a public record request. Well, I would like to of what ones that have been placed against the city and
employees and stuff over the last two or three years from certain people or probably just certain person. I would like to know actually I'd like to know too and I'd like to see them. I'd like to
see the documents in their entirety. I will make a request. Thank you, sir. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead, Kate. Yeah. Madam clerk, you got anything? Mr. Sloan? No, sir.
Neither do I. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Appreciate you coming by.