##VIDEO ID:1vL3Uq-pybE## you're on record all right meeting of the township of precip Troy Hills planning board for Monday November 18 2024 7:30 p.m. announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given that is being conducted in accordance with njsa 10 col 4-6 set2 of New Jersey open public meetings act nor would you call the role Please Mr did here Mr diero here councilman McGrath here Mr math president Mr Shaw yeah Mr stanel yes chairman D Moore here we also have our board planner miss winter our board engineer Mr kiano and our board attorney Miss steinle we could stand for the Pledge of Allegiance please I pledge alif of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and Justice all right the meeting is open to the General Public is there anyone here who wishes to speak to the board on an item that is not on our agenda for tonight all right hearing and seeing none we have some resolutions to start with uh is there any discussion on the resolutions do you have anything to add or no I didn't have any Ed sent all right uh I would like uh that we entertain a motion to approve approve the application number 24 513 n Kasa um Mr chairman Mr D motion to approve application number 24 col 513 nul kadala 19 and 21 Lincoln Avenue block 608 Lot 12 and 13 minor subdivision for lot merger do we have oh second second it has to be Mr math okay I'll second yes mat mat yes I said okay sorry and the vote oh yes sorry oh just two just two on that one yep all right and then 169 Lana Avenue block 136 lot 33 Ain recommendation uh somebody willing to move that Mr chairman Mr D a motion to approve 169 laa one Avenue block 136 lot 33 AI recommendation do I have a second second nor would you call the rooll please yeso yes MC yes ma yes Shaw yes stel yes yes all right those are the Motions uh we have a meeting calendar has everybody seen the meeting calendar for next year is there are there any conflicts that you know of right now that would be a problem it's very rare that anybody knows it usually the conflicts come from the uh later the public yep there you go uh do I have a motion approving the 2025 schedule of planning board meetings I'll make a motion do I have a second second all right uh if you call the rooll please each yes yes mcrath yes M yes Shaw yes D yes yes all right then we move on to actually can I ask you a question sure I was just looking at this the organization meeting is in Jan listed as being on January 8th but okay in the up above organization January that's a that would that would be my error thank you for pointing it out I'll be sure to fix it I'm sorry all right good catch i s just looked at the dates I didn't look at the p and it would be the six not the eth yep all right so we're going to call our agenda tonight so application number 24 526 marada controls 20 Waterview Boulevard block 421 lot 2901 preliminary and final major site plan with C variant to construct in addition to the existing loading zone [Music] thank you uh Mr chairman members of the board and the public John engino here partner with firm of Ino Taylor located at 600 pany Road in pipany uh tonight I'm here and proud to represent this applicant Mara controls Inc who is applying for preliminary and final pite plan approval for a project located at 20 Waterview Boulevard here in PPP the subject property is identified as block 4 21 lot 29.1 and the subject property is located within the township within the Township's planned office development zoning District as stated on its website marata controls is a manufacturer and supplier high performance motion and flow control products to the Aerospace space and marine industries marata has over 75 years of experience servicing the United States Air Force as well as decades servicing NASA in fact Mara's pressurization and control valves played a critical role in the earliest days man of man space flight from the fuel control valves on the Saturn rocket to propulsion systems for the lunar module engines marada takes pride in the fact that every us surface combatant and submarine goes to sea with marada Valves and controls on board it's actually pretty cool marada assembles assembles its products right here in precipi indeed marata has played a significant role in ensuring the defense of our nation and Mara appreciated precip support in amending the Pod Zone earlier this year to increase the percentage of space that may be used for light assembly and manufacturing of product L looks forward to enhancing his partnership with the township to continue to provide products and service to our nation's defense the subject property which serves as Mara's corporate headquarters contains approximately 55,000 ft² four-story building which contains light assemblage and aeronautic devices office space and research facilities all of which are permitted at the Pod zoning District all assemblage occurs inside the building there's no outdoor assemblage and no more than 40% of the floor area of the subject building is used for light manufacturing and assemblage in accordance with the ordinance the application before you this evening consists of an addition to the existing loading zone attached to the building to assist with the applicant's operations the applicant proposes to add two retaining walls a concrete pad for a chiller at the rear of the building 807 compliant parking spaces exist on the site and the applicant proposes to install 16 new EV charging stations additional improvements to Landscaping landscaping and circulation are also proposed the project will increase the size of the loading zone and enhance the efficiency of loading and unloading trucks on the property the applicant uh does have some waivers three waivers I think that we're requesting one is documentation from a professional demonstrating that no Wetlands exist on the site uh if there no REM mapped Wetlands on the site this a fully developed site uh two a traffic study uh the application here does not result in that increase of 25 or more peak hour trips in any given peak hour uh and also from the environmental assessment because the application is only resulting in a slight .13 acre increase in impervious coverage and all existing trees on the property will will remain uh the applicant is exempt from the highlands regulations under exemption number four the applicant is seeking bulk variance relief uh for a few things for a variance for a minimum size loading zone uh variance for uh maximum impervious coverage and we're also uh seeking both various relief uh for some existing non-conformities uh that obviously exist on the property today one with regard to minimum track area second with regard to maximum uh floor area ratio and uh I guess those are the two uh Mr chairman we have four Witnesses uh we have Mr Tom Mara who's the applicant's principal CEO to provide some additional testimony with regard to what it does we have Brad bowler of bowler engineering who's the project civil engineer we have William Kimberly of Kimberly Newman who's the project architect and last is Alex McAn of the of of John McD's firm who will provide planning testimony uh we have some reports uh from the board just want to make sure that we have those squared away we have an arh report dated uh 10 looks like if I can read my writing 1013 or 10234 and 11124 we have a GPI report dated 10824 a precip sore utility report dated 10124 an in office Memo from the tax assessor dated 92324 and precip fire district 6 report dated 92724 that's what I have Miss Winter as he summarized the waivers yeah he summarized the waivers um um we don't have any objection given the uh minimal increase in impervious coverage do I have a motion approving the waivers listed in the uh arh report of uh November 1st November 1st I'll make the motion do I have a second second all in favor say I any opposed okay thank you Mr chairman like to bring up Mr marada if you please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony that you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do please state your name spell your last name and provide your address for the record Thomas marada 111 Melrose Road Mountain Lakes New Jersey 07046 thank you so Mr Mara I I tried to summarize a little bit about what your company does but I think it would be better if the board heard from you in terms of some of the great things that your company is doing right here in pipany thank you yeah I'm pleased to share um all the detail that I have in in a few minutes um one minor correction I'm not the CEO so you don't have to let my brother know uh I'm vice president of strategic initiatives um and details details close close um so I'm really happy to share what we're doing with you uh we came to parpy as we outgrew our original location in Montville uh that was around three years ago um so I'm happy to say we found another home we've been located in mville for 79 years we are a family-owned private company uh and tend to stay that way uh we are predominantly involved in defense and Aerospace and uh we service three major um segments that we uh break our business into Marine as um John mentioned space and power and actuation systems which is our newest uh grouping of products so power and actuation systems is a very fast growth for us uh this is what we've been working on for 15 years it sounds like a long time but in our overall history it's the baby um and so in parpan we found a great location which had a lot of extra space to grow into uh We've anticipated uh using up the square footage that we had we started with 50,000 square feet on a lease for 5 years um and uh we found a great partner with Sam moral and Ross chomic vision and as we were looking to expand more we talked about purchasing the property which we did so uh we have plenty of space for expansion and it's working out really well so what we'd like to do is we're moving all the power and actuation systems group over that's 80 plus people in the first year once the construction's done and to do that we need some changes which includes the loading dock and some other equipment Our intention is to be a great neighbor uh so we've been working with a team uh there's going to be really no impact uh otherwise than what we would have with normal equipment such as HVAC uh generator if that happens to run occasionally um so uh operations will be fairly minimal uh we're not a logistics operation we see a lot of traffic coming from our neighbor Whole Foods and trucks and deliveries uh probably a couple deliveries in the morning a couple in the afternoon uh at most um but we can't control the size of the trucks that uh enter so we have to equip a loading dock uh to handle the largest trucks any questions by members of the board thank you counc okay Mr chairman uh this time and thank you Mr marada I'd like to call Brad bowler and and just one more comment before Mr bowler comes up I think this is a really good story for pipany where you had a building over there at 20 water view that had some really restrictive zoning and without the cooperation of the township working in partnership with marada uh that zoning would have forced them to go find a building someplace else and 20 water viiew would not be uh housing uh this great company uh instead 20 water view would have come under pressure for some other type of development that may not have been commercial or to the Township's liking but because the township Council and the mayor worked with this uh property owner you now have a property that has repurposed itself uh for a commercial owner uh operator uh who is not only providing a a good rable for the township but also providing a useful service and product for uh these important industries uh for for the country so uh kudos to ppan for working with them on that yeah thank you the support's been amazing and uh I think everyone comments that our parking lot is the most full so uh I think that's speak volumes right there okay all right Mr bowler well waited just one moment I forgot something is there any member of the public who have questions of this Witness this testimony at this time hearing and seeing none now you may move forward all [Music] right you please raise your hands do you swear affirm that the testimony that you're about to give will you the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do please state your name spell your last name and provide your address for the record Bradford bowler b l r 30 Independence Boulevard in Warren New Jersey and and Mr Boward you've testified before this board numerous times in pass correct yes that's correct and your license is still valid that's correct yes uh Mr chairman if you want I can go through the V deer of Mr bowler but I think he's well known to the board as a civil engineer and we'd ask R to accept him as a an expert in that area is there anybody who has any questions on the expertise of this witness hearing and seeing none thank you Mr chairman Mr bowler can you please describe the civil engineering aspects of this project for the board sure so uh my first exhibit will be an I did hand out three exhibits which I'll use tonight uh for presentation purposes uh and the first exhibit is up on the board right now it's it's an arrow exhibit North it's to the top of the page I'll mark that a A1 when I get up in a second uh the address of the property is shown in yellow so that's in the center of the property uh water view boulevards to the bottom of the page uh North is to the top there's a residential uh Community up to the north uh the Whole Foods um retail shopping center to the West number of Office Buildings are to the South and then another office building to the uh to the east uh and further along is a TD Bank at the corner um of that area uh overall this is in a pod District uh it's approximately a I'm sorry it's uh 93 Acres uh we are on the North uh West corner of the Pod the remaining portion is to the South and to the east of the property um the current site does house a um four-story office building it's about 55,000 ft uh that's shown it's a almost like a light yellow in the middle of this of this uh exhibit uh the rear of the property does have approximately a 160 to 200t uh uh wooded area that's acting as a buffer within that area uh and access to the site is through two driveways uh one to the east of the building and one or sorry the west of the building and one to the east of the building uh for access um I will just hit on the four existing non-conformities that we have for this facility um one is the track size so the Pod requires that 32 acres is part of the track size uh we have currently 93.2 7 Acres we're not changing that it's just the existing condition as it stands uh the FL a ratio for the um facility is is required to be a 0. 226 where we we have 315 again no changes to the facility floor area ratio so that's going to stay the same uh this building height um is 300 um and 80 88.7 ft above sea level so it's not 380 88 ft tall uh where 375 FTS required so again existing condition for the building itself uh that's not changing we're not changing the height of the building what about impervious coverage I'm going to get to that in a sec I'm just going through the existing conditions and the last one is there's a buffer requirement uh again the uh the back of the property requires 200 feet to the residential existing condition we are not touching that that proposal those are the four that are existing that we're just asking for documentation on and I'm going to go through the two uh under the proposal in a [Music] second so this is an overall site plan marked as A2 uh it's sheet 301 colorized um and I'll just remain on this briefly before we go into the next exhibit which will show more more detail essentially uh our site is going to maintain the current uh circulation configuration Access wise the driveways are going to stay the same along the southern portion of the property so South is to the bottom same configuration as last time um the parking lot around the outside of the building will will generally remain the same there is a loop road that goes closer to the building and it hits the uh West North and sides of the of the building that that uh access will will uh go from two-way to a oneway circulation and I'll go clockwise so you enter in um off the Western driveway and then on the Inner Loop Road you'll go one way Direction the parking along the east I'm sorry the west and the north side will remain unchanged so the axis will just go One Direction and then there'll be a a proposed loading dock on the uh east side of the building and that's the way the trucks will also circulate so I'll show that in the close-up version in a second but I want to make sure I explain to the board the access and how that uh that change is happening as part of this proposal there is a about a 5700 foot addition to impervious coverage um about half of that or a little bit more is based on the loading area changes and then there's a couple other pads that are being proposed for mechanical equipment a cooling uh Tower and again I'll show that in the next exhibit so let me uh let me jump to that one I'll make Mark that A3 so A3 is is sheet 302 colorized uh for our our purposes North is the top of the page um similar to the other two exhibits uh the reason I'm using this is because this this really focuses on the proposal that we're doing for this uh facility um to the east side of the building there's a loading dock that's being proposed it's a non-enclosed covered loading dock that extends outside of the building the Loop Road that I mentioned before when the way the trucks come in will be to the left side of this plan they'll circle around the top of the plan and then they'll they'll enter into the loading dock by passing it and backing in that area so that's one loading space that we're proposing there's also another loading space to uh to the bottom left hand corner of that it's an opened uh asphalt area and that's going to be used for FedEx trucks Amazon UPS um box trucks similar to uh what you'd see on the other side of the of the building so that would that would propose three part loading spaces um in the the variance for this um or for the for the the loading space that was requested the smaller loading space is required to be two times as long as the biggest vehicle that's going to be fit within this facility and we are 5T short of that requirement in that area again these are box trucks if a box truck needed to park in this area they could simply pull past the loading space 5 ft and back into the area maneuverability is there we've checked that uh as well as the maneuverability of the largest truck on the road and both of the facilities work so we are requesting a variance for the dimension of the of the parking spaces um I'm sorry of the loading spaces with regards to the uh the parking we do have a proposal for 87 parking spaces that's down nine spaces we are losing nine spaces to install the loading area uh this is uh uh compliant with the code so there are no um um concerns with a variance or parking and to make up the differential we do prop propose 16 EV parking spaces which by uh state law do allow for credit to be provided so theoretically we aren't losing any parking spaces by the by the EV code it's a physical loss um that's on the plan um after we uh um I'm sorry one more thing I want to hit we also are pro proposing a a sidewalk an 8 comp sidewalk from the whole food sidewalk it terminates at the at the property to the West uh up through into our site so it's an ada8 compliant route that goes into the property after all the improvements are proposed and completed we do have again a a 5700 foot prvious coverage increase uh and that does increase the the uh impervious coverage variance that was currently existing by 0.13 uh% in the tract so not just the property but the tract itself a very diim increase in general uh Main for the pads that are to the the North West corner and the north portion of the building for mechanical equipment and then the uh loading area that's just to the West I'm sorry the east of the building uh we do have Landscaping um proposed on the site so we remove eight eight trees by installing the sidewalk and doing the pad areas to the to the Northeast and the loading spaces we are proposing to uh uh install eight uh new deciduous trees to uh to replace those trees we also have a number of evergreen trees that are proposing for screening um along the east side for the where the loading space is as well as a chiller area to the northeast of the building so uh another uh 30 or so evergreen trees in that area so not part of the replacement but for screening purposes in that location um the last thing I'll I'll I'll hit on is storm water and then I'll have lighting as well so from a storm water perspective we're not a major development by by uh state code we do trigger a storm water review by the town ordinance and in working with the engineer uh on this application we've agreed to install a dryw as part of our uh approvals that will be in in accordance with the the town code so we'll meet that criteria in that in that aspect uh and finally from a lighting perspective uh we do have uh a small lighting plan that was for the area of uh disturbance only mainly ballards but there are a few uh lights that are on the building on the east side of the building that we're proposing um they are shown as a flood light that's tilted up and we'll agree to revise that lighting so it's a dark sky compliant light for this application we'll work with the engineer to get that um written off in and the approved by him um the last thing I wanted to confirm is there's no new light um sign on the on the uh the application so we don't have a science package for you tonight because we're not proposing any new science for the fail uh with regards to the review letter um I hit the two things that uh we were asked to provide testimony on but from engineering perspective an engineering riew letter we can comply with everything else that's in the in that letter as well and that's all I'll add for my direct thank you Mr chairman back to you Mr kiano do you have any uh uh no I touched on the lighting that was one of my comments that it was uh wanted that type of fixture revised um soil movement um did you see our comment p is to your benefit did you happen to revise your application for an in soil movement and yeah sorry I didn't hit that I apologize uh we did we did file soil movement application 450 yards of cut of soil cutting will be um uh coming off the site for the the improvements okay and just uh obviously you're going to what is your hall route going to be uh what are you I I would assume the 287 maybe the 46 and what's the yardage of net 450 yards export okay um you touched on parking already um you need I noticed there was a note from Mor countyd with your Swale uh you give a little testimony on what you're doing with with that Swale in the on the property sure uh in light green there's two swes that are in the back of the building uh if anyone from the board's been to this site the back of the building's elevated slightly so there's a the grade on the bottom is is down further there's currently two selles um being in the currently two swells that exist now they're not functioning appropriately so we're going to reconstruct those selles along those areas and we'll work with the SCD to provide proper stabilization of those swis uh some sort of mat matting or something like that uh in those areas and you mentioned you're switching circulation from two-way circulation to to single what's the rationale or how are you going to control that from uh your employee standpoint sure uh as an employee come into the office building you'd see it daily we'd have striping and signage on site uh the rationale is that it allows for a truck to circulate around the facility and um and go in One Direction without an overlapping a center line of a parking space and visitors are coming on the south side of the building or the north side of the building uh I would assume visitors are coming on the south side of the building but there's probably I I think I was there tonight and there's some spaces there on on the North side as well I just wanted to get a background thank you members of the board have questions on this uh testimony at this time any just one okay you're adding a drywall is does this site already have like storm water management I'm sure it's got to right it from what I saw on the survey and out in sight there's no Basin or underground Basin it it was likely built before regulations came in place okay other members of the board have questions on this testimony other members of the public who have questions on this testimony at this oh I'm sorry planner first um the retaining wall there's going to be a fence on top of it yes What's the total height uh the wall is 3 and 1 half ft High the fence is 3 and a half ft high oret high 7 7 which is a variance because needs to be six or under if we set back the fence a certain distance does that change the variance I would say yeah that's not a variance it's not a variance if it's not on top of the wall then okay I mean we could certainly shift it back a couple feet if that's a concern of the board it's not a problem that's fine any other members of the board or professionals so Mr D chairman yep so real quick the um EV parking um spaces um I do see that one of them is uh ADA Compliant which is which is great but I feel like that's too far from the entrances um so somebody who's in need for that type of uh parking spot it will Pro far for them so I would suggest if there's a possibility I do see three of them very close to the entrance uh and if you can make one of those you know maybe again model suggestion um I a user of ADA parking space so I know little far is actually too far for somebody who actually needs it we can look into that y so I understand you you check all the boxes you know you meet all the requirements but again it's a more of a recommendation yeah other members of the board professionals now public there's a question out here if you could please come forward identify yourself and speak into the microphone [Music] please I liveed in no man I live at 19983 I'm sorry could could you just state your name I think you're on the wrong application don't play with because you're going to shut it off but you're speaking about no manner correct you're on the wrong application wrong application wait for the next Mar which is right across the street here that'll be up in a couple minutes any other members of the public have questions on this application on this testimony at this time hearing and seeing none counselor thank you Mr chairman I'd like to call Mr William Kimberly of Newman who is the project architect [Music] [Music] got some coming from that dire if you please raise your right hand do you swear affirm that the testimony that you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes please state your name spell your last name and provide your address for the rest William Kimberly K i m m e r l e 502 Madison Street Apartment 502 in Hoboken New Jersey okay Mr kimly uh you just give the board a little bit of your information regarding your professional background uh education uh licenses that you possess and work experience okay I'm a registered architect in the state of New Jersey as well as several other states west coast and uh across and our firm is active locally as well as nationally personally I've been with our firm since 2011 we are active throughout the Tri State and in particular in the town of Pary Township of Pary uh and throughout Mars County uh I'm a graduate of Washington University in St Louis and I received my professional degree in Rhode Island School design and you've testified before boards in New Jersey and have been accepted as an expert in the area of architecture correct I have yes Mr chairman any questions on the qualifications of the expert seeing none counselor thank you Mr chairman Mr Kimberly if you would please provide the architectural aspects of the application for the board okay so as part of the improvements that were discussed by Mr bowler uh our firm has prepared proposed elevations and sections which I'll pull up in one second that show a very modest Improvement of the building which is really about covering the loading dock that has been proposed this is an all- weather structure it's not something that is enclosed fully it is open to the South I'll pull up the other does this work y if you could Mark that this will be A4 just describe it [Music] this is a sing the building itself is 1988 vintage it underwent a significant cosmetic rehabilitation in the 2018 2019 period I'm not sure that your microphone's on it's on okay is that all right it better okay today there's a four story structure that was constructed in 1988 in the 2018 to 2019 period it was it underw a significant cosmetic renovation and a facelift under ownership at that time that introduced a new cosmetic scheme to the building that will'll be marrying into and I'll speak to briefly what's being proposed today is a structure of approximately 12T in height approximately 31 ft in width and 20 ft in depth that is a two-sided structure existing building wall will receive a new overhead door as well as a man door that facilitates access from this new loading dock the loading dock will will be equipped with a leveler we're 4T down to what's been testified to by B engineering which is really the truck path the loading dock itself will have a rear wall and at the North and a right wall at the easterly elevation that 2018 renovation changed the the appearance of this building to essentially a white finish with what we believe are fairly attractive silver metallic accents at the recesses along this uh facade we'll be continuing that scheme with the same material and plied ephas at the roof line of this new short structure again 12' 3 and standing steam metal panel in the same metallic finish on both the East and the north walls there's not a lot to this that's really the totality of what's being suggested architecturally I do have a couple other exhibits to help explain some of this just to give orientation so this is an aerial view looking from the southeast corner of the property the easterly side is where all of the improvements are being proposed that'll be exhibit A5 A5 okay the modifications that the civil engineer testified to are all occurring at this easterly exposure our new structure will be approximately in this location and will be marrying visually to everything that exists today on the site one item that the civil engineer spoke to and I'll be able to testify to is that there is a sunken area to the rear of the building that is the first floor at grade is exposed at the full rear of the building that sunken area will be a new home for mechanical equipment that's associated with Mara controls operations specifically thermal Chambers for testing of their devices prior to shipment those thermal Chambers one additional exhibit this one will be um exhibit A6 will be connected to three chillers that will be located in that recess portion of the lot on new pads shown on the engineering set those three chillers do generate noise we've worked through calculations which are provided here for yourselves and for the public that approximately 62 DB per unit we know this is a concern for the board's Consultants 62 DB collectively at three units will generate just shy of 65 DB from those three units attenuated to the property line series of calculations that our firm worked through at approximately 410 ft distance to the rear lot line that's attenuated down to approximately 42 DB that itself is compliant with both daytime and nighttime ordinances applicable for noise generation 42 Deb just for as a point of reference is approximately the noise generated by a domestic refrigerator so at the property line those three chillers will only be generating that much noise that is not it's also not discounted for the change in elevation none of that has been been taken into account so there will be further noise attenuation associated with the grade that those are sunken into the rear tree line and that rear grade that goes up in elevation okay anything further no that's about it thank you Mr chairman back to you did you mark them yeah did you physically Mark the so it's A4 A4 A5 A6 okay thank you does the board have any questions of this witness on this testimony at this time hearing and seeing none there any members of the public have any questions on this testimony at this time hearing and seeing none counselor okay thank you Mr chairman next we'll call Mr Alex mle of John mcdna [Music] Associates if you please raise your right hand you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do please state your name spell your last name and provide your address for the record yes my name is alexand sander McLean last name is m c CLE e a n my address is 137 Heckle Street Belleville New Jersey and um so Mr McLean if you could provide the board with your uh professional and educational background and list any licenses that you uh sure uh yes I hold a master's degree in City Regional planning from markers University I'm nationally certified by the aicp I'm licensed by the State Board of Professional planners and I've testified before boards throughout the state thank you Mr mcle Mr chairman any questions on the qualifications of the witness hearing and seeing none counselor thank you Mr M can you please identify the variances that are triggered by this application and provide testimony with respect to the proofs for the board to Grant those marites sure so we are essentially uh talking about um considering the uh the size of the lot um C2 variances um for the lot area uh minimum sorry sorry the uh track maximum appropriate surface coverage um and minimum loading size requirements and the pre-existing non-conforming conditions uh that were identified in the planet's report um and with that I will just um get into my testimony here uh so we're talking about uh as mentioned before single tax lot lot 29 .01 on block 421 at measuring 732940 sare ft and located on the north side of the Waterview Boulevard between Route 202 to the East and US Route 46 to the west and the South uh as the architect indicated the property has been improve the four-story building that was constructed in 1988 and uh for the purposes of just orientating U the board even further for the surrounding land uses I I have a exhibits to include here is it just a a packet uh yeah just aerial images all right so we'll make that 87 [Music] [Music] and that was prepared by your office yeah yeah toic D [Music] Associates all right so while you guys are I guess passing that out I'll just um just start going over the uh surrounding land uses uh so to the uh west of the site um as noted before we had the shopping center uh it's currently occupied by the Whole Foods Market the home sense Ulta and W um DSW and AR and among some other retail uses uh and to the east you got the three-story office building at 10 water View Boulevard uh to the South you have an office building at 45 Waterview Boulevard currently occupied by the uh life science research company DSM uh for men and a three-story office building located at 35 water View Boulevard occupied by a it sun chemical and to the north you have the uh single family residential district identified earlier by our Professionals for um as noted before we're you know we're looking to develop applican seeking to develop the addition to the existing loading dock on the Eastern of the building make uh some Landscaping improvements install a retaining wall you have the 16 EV parking spaces in the chillers uh this proper is located in the town's pod planned office development District um as far as conformance with the existing zoning District uh we noted that there are several pre-existing non-conforming conditions such as the minimum tra area Max F maximum height and the uh one of the minimum loading requirement areas uh so but the site that you know largely conforms with the uh zoning warus requirements for lot area minimum yard depth Maxim buffer requirement uh the loading requirements minimum parking stall size minimum number of parking stalls and minimum aisle width uh and as noted before we we were looking for the C2 relief for those um to uh requirements regarding maximum privious coverage and minimum lot size requirements among the other waivers so as far as the C2 variance relief uh as the planner noted in their report uh positive criteria requires applicant to uh demonstrate that the benefits of the deviation substantially outweigh any detriment um it's clear that the applicants proposed projects intended to improve operations on the site and result in the Minimus deviation and the impervious impervious coverage of 6% while the building is already 3.08% below the building coverage limit of 15.5% and uh the length of the Su uh D30 loading areas only is the only dimension of the loading size requirement that's being met which is 5% 5T below the 60 foot requirement with respect to the negative criteria the proposed relief would not result in substantial detriment and substantial impairment to the public good nor substantial impairment to the intended purpose of the Zone plan or ordinance considering the property is located in a dedicated commercial park and is heavily buffered from other commercial buildings and the more sensitive residential uses to the north uh I can't see how the requested relief would result in any impact uh to the surrounding neighborhood and furthermore considering the other site improvements in addition to to the loading dock uh I believe that the request of relief would Advance multiple multiple purposes of the ml including the general welfare considering the E economic impact that the anticipated uh relief would have on the applicant's ability to improve operations on the property uh purpose G uh for sufficient space and the appropriate locations for commercial industrial uses purpose H for encouraging the location and design of Transportation routes that promote the free flow of traffic traffic and discouraging congestion a purpose ey for promoting the desirable visual environment uh since it would be advancing the planned land with the advanced U the planned Landscaping improvements and purpose end for the promotion of the utilization of renewable energy resources with the inclusion of the 16 EV parking stalls uh the requested relief would also Advance the business zoning goal of the Township's 2020 master plan which calls for quote and review of permitted uses area uh in bulk requirements parking requirements and other zoning Provisions to to remove potential barriers to entrepreneurs new businesses new business types and experiential retail and with that I believe that the the criteria for Relief has been met and that approval is [Music] warranted no further questions Mr chair M winter do you have any questions I don't have any questions members of the board have any question questions on this testimony at this time seeing none any members of the public have questions on this testimony at this time hearing and seeing none counselor uh thank you Mr chairman I really want to thank the board for its time and attention to the application just sum up by saying thank you it's obviously fresh in your mind and uh we respectfully hope that the board will approve it there any members of the public who have any questions or any uh comments on this application at this time this is your only chance hearing and seeing none this closes the evidentiary portion of tonight's hearing uh somebody willing to make a motion or somebody willing to make a motion on this application Mr chairman uh motion to approve application number 24 col 526 Mara controls inc2 water rable award log 421 29.1 prary and final major site plan with C variance to construct addition to the existing loading zone we have any conditions yes uh it was discussed that the applicant will install a drywall and comply with the town code requirements will adjust the lighting plan to meet dark sky requirements and work with the board engineer to confirm same um comply with the board Engineers review letter and comments shift the fence um back from the top of the retaining wall and we'll look into moving the evsc Ada spaces closer to the entrance of the building do I have a second second thank you Mr deiro um nor would you call the Ro please yes de yes mcrath yes yes Shaw yes Delle yes yes thank you Mr chairman thank you members of the board you this leads us next to the next item on our agenda which is uh application number 24 Co 510 n Manor Associates North beverick Road Block 497 lot two minor sight plan with C variant for a maintenance yard [Music] [Music] [Music] oh [Music] yeah counselor uh good evening uh mark rothberg from the flaw firm a20 Morris Turnpike Short Hills New Jersey uh representing n Manor Associates uh we here tonight uh with regard to our application for a m minor site plan uh with 1 C variance for the continued use of our client's uh property as a maintenance yard uh servicing uh the residential apartment development with over 1,00 units that they've been operating as a Serv yard. property for the past 40 years uh with me this evening is Michael Dipple professional engineer with l2a Land Design LLC as our uh one witness uh and uh board I would like I or qualify Mr Dipple as as a witness you have any waivers first we don't have any waivers we have a number of items that are not applicable but just like some testimony that nothing is changing in regards to the rest of the site so please raise your hand do you swear affirm the testimony that you're about to give away the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do please state your name spell your last name and provide your address for the record sure it's Michael Dipple d p e I am employed by l2a Land Design LLC our address is 6 6 Grand Avenue in Anglewood New Jersey and U have you ever testify before I have I have I I think it's been a little while but I was here I believe last for New Jersey Manufacturers Insurance on Littleton Road they did a walking path I think that was my last application you may have seen my business partner here recently um on some other applications but but uh personally had missed parcion a little bit in the last few years uh I can continue I have a bachelor in uh civil engineering from Ruckers University I've been doing this for 33 years I started l2a in 2006 my license is in good standing and I was uh manager of this project for uh for N Garden all right any other questions by members of the board on the qualifications of the witness hearing and seeing none counselor uh we would respect request that he be uh accepted as our expert thank you thank you so I I have on the board uh the set of plans that I uh that we submitted as part of the application uh sheet co1 is entitled existing conditions and demolition plan uh CO2 is entitled site plan and I think the copy that I have the third page is Miss number there should be a CO3 which is just the property owner list it was quite extensive and we just dropped it on to another page I'm going to move to another exhibit here I assume that exhibit what is the most recent revision date I only have um August 6 this is October 23rd 202 oh sorry that was not resubmitted um August 6 2024 that's the most recent revision for that one yes I think there was a chance of a resubmission I might have brought so we we'll go with August 6 okay but I think my testimony will show that it almost doesn't matter but um I'm going to go to an exhibit uh let me get this the right way um A1 and I'll mark it as [Music] such with today's date so we're going to mark this A1 and today is 11824 and it is an aerial photograph taken from Google Earth the uh the imagery date appears as October 8th 2024 so it's it's very very recent and you can see the N Garden uh uh residential complex here it's this triangular piece of property which is about 43 acres in subject of the application and I brought this you could see exactly where we're referring to and if you look here on the North End so so North is up on this image if you look here the North End a little bit West uh you can see this little brown area and that is the the maintenance area that is the service area that we're referring to um on the complex so just just to give an idea uh North beverick is here on the right side of the page that kind of generally runs in the North South Direction all the way down to Route 46 and continues northward uh and then you have null road which comes across the top of the page and an East West Direction and The Golf Course Beyond um so that's just a give an idea of where that's located um so the existing conditions I guess it doesn't matter um what version I have but existing conditions is sh on the first page and uh there's a parking area uh just immediately to the west of it and there's a gate and inside that area um it's really exactly as I mentioned it's a it's just a maintenance area for the 118 uh residential units that are here so on the North End where I have this shaded area here they're generally using that as a masonry area so they have employed or contracted with an outside a uh Mason who comes in and does small concrete work so there's a lot of curb that gets damaged there's a lot of other little concrete work so he keeps brick there uh he keeps cinder block he keeps a lot of Belgian block uh when I was there first in May of this year there was um uh bags of cement that he was there there was a mixer and that generally takes place and and and he's permitted to use this North End over here so there isn't really a lot of order to it he's just using it he's got planks there he has to form things up so he has some wood there and some other things and he generally just uses that as a work area in order to make the repairs that are necessary to the South uh there are a number of dumpsters um there was another there's some material stockpiles different materials that are being used at the site again uh the day that I was there in May there was a large pile of Belgian block that had moved over here to the southern end there were a few other dumpsters that were strewn uh speaking to the property manager some of the dumpsters had become damaged and they were just waiting to be picked up so those especially were the two that were over on the east side of the maintenance area so in speaking with the the maintenance uh U uh officer there he had mentioned that we're trying to get those out of there because they became damaged and they were leaking and we we don't want them so throughout the site there are a few dumpsters that are around for residents to use and you can see at the bottom of the page um at the bottom of this maintenance area there are a row of dumpsters that are currently being used by the resident um so that's really how it works there's one gate that accesses it there's a fence around all sides I believe the six 6 foot fence is subject or the reason for the variance because it's of a of a height that is not permitted in the front yard uh but that exists there now uh chain link fence here there's backto back wooded fences from the resident on Lot 8 and the subject lot they have back to back Stockade fences uh along the east side of the property and then there's a chain link fence along uh the southern end of the property So currently it's a lot of there's some gravel there's some dirt areas there are some areas where you could see that work had been done and things have been moved around but uh uh and then it's kind of surrounded by kind of just some overgrowth and some trees some tall mature trees on all sides um of of the yard so that that's really what you would see out there it's it's a little bit higher uh maybe the uh looking at the math here the toppo maybe six feet higher at most between n Road and the level of the area and then maybe 3 feet higher 4 feet higher let's say to the neighbor to the east so it sits up a little bit in the northeast corner and then as you come down the grade changes the grade Rises as you go um a little bit to the South and then it kind of meets grade at that point and I guess uh under current conditions um uh the applicant would like to keep it as is they would like to continue to use it as a maintenance facility for n Gardens uh I think there were a few things in the letters that requested uh you know parking count and things like that I believe your planner had mentioned um there are per your ordinance I believe it requires two parking spaces um per unit so I think with the 1108 we have 2216 parking spaces required there are only, 1685 spaces and that is a uh that is a uh best we can do kind of count on the spaces we look took a look at Aerials we drove around we did the best we could there's some areas that are a little bit questionable as to where the spaces may have been and some aren't really stripe that well so we did the best to estimate about, 1685 spaces um right now there are a number of spaces that really don't function as parking spaces right in front of the gate it's the gate is generally open it's a very wide gate and uh the spaces are not being used I pulled into this area tonight just to take another look at it I hadn't been here uh since earlier this summer and again there were all the car all the spaces were taken in the lot except in front of that gate it's really wide open and it would remain that way so we're not really losing Spaces by this we're not making any real change I think three of the spaces are really not being used at all because of the open gate thank could just ask during the winter you're going to have snow removal equipment that is stored there during the winter as well as salt that that will service the 1100 residential units for that complex correct there are seasonal things and if you go there I I failed to mention some of the there is some equipment that that was there we sent some photographs in I believe your engineer um your planner uh mentioned what they witnessed at their at the facility there is some large equipment that does arrive there there are snow removing equipment of course as the season changes they have to gear up for that so you will see some of that material uh on site that of course gets used up um the equipment is no longer needed there that leaves a site perhaps sometimes when a big bigger concrete job is there there might be other equipment there that is used for the concrete uh there is uh an indication that there were some appliances there uh I spoke to the property manager earlier tonight about that those are just staged there maybe for a day at the longest just until someone can pick them up with 1100 units refrigerators go bad other appliances go bad and uh they need a place to put them they just stage them there until someone can come and pick them all up but uh really it's not I I was there twice in May um and I did not see any appliances whatsoever the the days that I was there but I do see photographs now in in the letters that show some appliances are are current were there at that time so question sure is the property still like is the maintenance area is still like look like this I mean it looks like a mess it it's not it's not an orderly place I think the application we would we would try to make it more orderly there were like I said there were some dumpsters that had been there that um they were trying to get rid of they're going to make an effort to get rid of the dumpsters uh it is kind of you know it's a little overgrown on the other side of the fence uh the the masonry area that I described in the beginning um you know he's working there constantly he's always kind of there working um that that can be made a little more orderly but it is active um so uh we are proposing you know maybe just to straighten it up clean it up organize it get rid of the dumpsters get rid of any unnecessary machinery and and try to try to you do a better job cleaning it and maintaining it and keeping it more orderly actually Mr kiano's memo gets very much to this I'd actually like to have him ask his questions based on his memo at this point um yeah first off it's a very large area what is the size it's it's I agree it's about half an acre it's about 100 ft wide by 200 ft roughly it's not a perfect rectangle but it's it's about between fences the fence that's just on on the east side of the parking spaces over to the property line where there's the wooden fence is about 100 ft and it's 200 ft from the chain link fence down to this angled fence here so roughly 100 by 200 and this is the R5 zone right this is in the R5 I I failed to mention we are in the R5 Zone this is and all areas in the R5 Zone not used for parking not used for buildings not used for roadways are supposed to be landscaped okay this is a big Halfacre area that's not landscaped understood um and from our site visit as well as these photos it's a huge tract of Maintenance area that I think lend itself for becoming a mess I I believe when it was brought to uh our engineer and our client's attention that we did agree to have certain number of dumpsters and my client was willing to uh allocate stalls to be storing material so it's it's not just half testimony be provided on what you're proposing you went over the existing conditions so we we've talked since we were deem complete we brought the application we were talking since and what could be done we can organize the dumpsters we can put in I believe there was a recommendation for a concrete pad we can put a concrete pad down for the dumpsters make sure that things move off the site if they're no longer uh needed but I should say it does seem like a large area but there is movement of things that come in and out so if you look at the I we tried to depict you know that Northern area where the masonry is going on and that that that generally is correct and I mean he may you know bring some of his uh his stone or his brick beyond that area but that's pretty significant um and then when you have these material stock piles you have to remember that machines have to come in and get that and turn around and move it back out so although it seems like a like a large area um it's bound to the South by asphalt and another fence so beyond that uh I don't know what else that would be be used for um but we were proposing to perhaps put dumpsters in um onto a pad and then um you know things could be cleaned and straightened I I think we're I think we're we're willing to um I I had another question U what is the purpose of the dumpsters there are dumpsters throughout the site there um well we'd have to well another words there's there are dumpsters for each for each building has their own garbage dumps for sters for tenants but if you're going to renovate Apartments you look at there are 1,00 Apartments there and this maintenance yard is a very small portion so if you're going to remove or renovate Apartments which turn over because it is an old apartment complex over 40 years when you're renovating Apartments they you you need to remove belongings you can't put the storage you know the the materials from the apartment in the dumpsters you know that's designated for residents to use their you know to use the garbage they need a place to actually move uh and have the the materials picked up when you're R renovating Apartments so that little lot compared to the whole apartment complex is the only open space that is there to renovate and improve and uh you know not only the I think uh r mentioned um refrigerators but but countertops you know they can't just be put in the dumpsters that residents use in their designated area they need to be moved and stored so they could be physically picked up by Machinery so these are more I'm sorry uh these are more of the larger containers not the dumpster so when I'm using the word dumpster I'm referring to the ones that are also out on the site that the residents come and put their trash into question was what are the dumpsters on this half acre 100 by 200 maintenance area what are the purpose of those dumpsters when we were there there were four there and they were damaged dumpsters that had been damaged they had moved them they had brought new dumpsters in so that um so that they could you know still continue to serve the residents so here's a grouping of six dumpsters in a trash area that serve this general area of residents so residents going into this maintenance area trash no not at all they they use dumpsters that are throughout the site the the physical dumpster itself the the big green box when when I was there there were four there we had we had noticed there were four and speaking to the maintenance supervisor he said those were damaged they just over time they they got damaged they rusted out what whatever happened to them and they had been put there and he had said we need to get those out of there so he's willing to take those off so we're showing those dumpsters to be removed so we would take those off the site so those dumpsters wouldn't be there because they're really not serving any purpose other than just sitting there I think um what we were talking about in terms of the renovating the apartments goes into the larger containers the big 20 yard containers I think they're 20 yards but uh those are the larger ones that you see at work sites so I agree that uh you know when you renovate these apartments when you do major work this is where it goes It goes into there it doesn't go into the residential dumpsters that people use for recycling and and regular trash how many of those are being proposed by the applicant to remain so three with a space for a fourth one in case there was a fourth one that was needed and I believe we spoke we would be willing to put in um the concrete uh areas as well for uh how long has this uh been here like this it's over 40 years since the apartment no no no this this maintenance yard over 40 years they've been using that yes we I brought with the our apartment uh the property manager he's been here for 25 years but it's been that's the maintenance yard for that development if you look at the entire triangle uh with A1 the Google Map uh that is the only area and that's been continuously used for 4 to year as the maintenance yard for the Machinery that comes in on during the winter when when uh Stoops need concrete work this is where the salt and the concrete is stored with the Machinery uh to service that very large apartment complex so um well on a plan you know uh it may seem large the maintenance yard compared to the compared to the entire complex of over 1,00 units that it Services it's a very small area to service that large apartment complex I I know exactly where the yard is it's just you can see like the the Overflow of what's going on from and we're willing to you know reasonably have it clean cleaned up Mr kiano yeah uh I just have a hard time with with you know visiting the site it looks you know it's it looks like the pictures it's it's a massive site that has that lends itself to becoming messy again and I I just don't I'm wrestling with the uses I mean for example the masonry art I'm not maybe Christine you can chime in but um I don't know that storage of construction material and contractors Construction material is even an approved use in in this uh at this property um and it's a large area that that could be 100 by 100 area again this is a these are big big areas um further I see you have stockpiles of on your existing condition plan of materials along the property line it just seems like you could uh really reduce make this an orderly proposed site plan understood and reduce the square footage of what you're doing and I think it would lend itself to um removing uh broken equipment that's in disrepair you won't have the area store um to remove the damaged and rotted dumpsters that you know you won't have the the room to store them um I see that there's a a great opportunity to have a a buffer area vegetated buffer uh between the adjoining properties and this use um I just I didn't uh it was kind of confused by the application and I don't hear a lot of testimony on on on what on what's going to be proposed um that that's my general that would be my general agreement you know like to see where exactly all this that's proposed to be stored is actually going to be stored um Can Can we we would be pull back the storage area a bit from n Road and have it in line with the 3 foot yard 30 foot front yard set back there with additional plantings for screening um rather than a chain Ling fence perhaps a uh stockade fence so that it isn't visible from the river we would be amenable to a buffer with maybe Evergreen plantings because I know there are homes along that uh border of the property but which the maintenance yard happened to predate but we would be aable out of know but I think we're here because it never really got site plan approval so that's why we're here um you know it is a customary and incidental accessory use to this kind of development um in that sense it's permitted I just would like to hear some testimony that it is all this maintenance equipment all the construction equipment is purely for this site is not being used by outside contractors or at other work sites oh oh it oh it is it it is for this site with without a doubt it is it is uh outside contractors who are staging here for this development but what comes in here is being used on this site so the outside contractors aren't storing any of their materials that they're you you know bringing offsite or no when I when I went there in May there was there was very little equipment there in fact the the masonry area and I think the pictures that we provided are were from May that that's correct and uh and there was very little there there was like I said there we saw brick and we saw um block and cement and he had a mixer there and that area was looked like it was active it was actively working and then it was cleared and then we had the dumpsters and and speaking you know with the property manager the dumpster is definitely something that probably just got away from them they you know they wanted to move them off the site to bring the new ones in where do we put them we'll put them over there and we'll get someone to take them away over time they sat there for probably too long and and they would admit that and uh and now it's it's time to you know uh to get them off the site and and to move them along um but then there you know there was one and we returned we went once on May 2nd and then once on May 15th I think some of the fol photographs are from May 15th and those photographs I think they show a large stockpile of Belgian block because the Belgian block get hit by the plows and things like that and that that is probably the most active thing that they do with the the masonry has there been any uh movement or cleanup on like the dumpster are those dumpsters still there today I I went there tonight there's still uh active things there I don't know if anything has been pulled off the quite yet but uh I I don't I don't know if the broken dumpsters were there it was dark by the time I got there I I don't know um and they were they were in the back and you know they were kind of away from the work area kind of tucked in when I was there and I think they're they're in the photographs that I provided and the concrete work is just not for Belgium blocks but they're for sidewalk Stoops and and uh you know this is where all the material is is staged and stored what's underneath these tarps in this one picture um I'm sorry what picture are you referring to uh this packet right here it it should be our our photographs are numbered uh photo 7 photo 7 that is that is actually outside of the maintenance area and that is I was there that day that that is here and I I'm not sure exactly what was there that that is in the parking lot adjacent to it uh there was a vehicle that just had a tarp on it and I don't know what what the other the the leftmost one the the center one was a vehicle with a tarp on it and I don't know what was on the leftmost one but that that was not in the maintenance area that was in the parking lot regardless I must admit that If This Were a green field development I'd want a heck of a lot more detailed site plan I'd want noticing where the the concrete pads would be I would want a better understanding of what kind of buffering you would have I would want a segmentation of where you're going to allow your workers to to deposit things um and when they can access this maintenance yard so it doesn't interfere with the life of the people in the apartment complex uh that would be a much more complex presentation to us okay uh to my mind this is almost an incomplete presentation you're you're you've just got this big yard that you're dumping stuff in and you want to continue doing that and that makes me feel very poorly about this okay so we we did not resubmit these plans um and I think that was just a the timing issue we thought we were on for the 4th and then we ended up getting pushed to the 18th I could continue on and we could go over some of the ideas they weren't submitted so I'm sorry I haven't I have I've been hesitant just because I haven't submitted these plans but if we want to continue on we had the idea of again the dumpster pad and I'm looking we I'm going to sorry to interrupt I'm just going to Mark have you mark this as exhibit A2 two okay so I'm going to I'm referring to A2 and 1118 24 and what I've drawn is just an area where the dumpsters would be organized and then some of the material could be stockpiled behind concrete blocks in order to access it the way you traditionally see that so here we could put the material here this would continue to be the maintenance yard and then the dumpsters all the other dumpsters would be removed and we would have a concrete pad for four dumpsters and those again those are the large 20 yard contain I'm calling them dumpsters I'm sorry containers and these are for the removal of of you know that like we said with the apartments some of the some of the uh sheetrock and whatever else gets damaged or whatever else has to be done those are taken to you know sometimes a bathroom needs to be renovated that generates a lot of waste and and that would go to the the dumpsters um the the large containers and we could put that on a pad we could have the material we could continue with the m the uh with the uh masonry area and I think there was a suggestion about landscaping around the outside changing the fence from a chain link fence to a to a solid fence we've already heard and moving the fence back and I I think we've agreed to that so I I believe it's a 50 foot front yard set back uh yes but I draw the line on here so if that's where that is that probably takes about 15 ft out of the front area if I drew that line Mr deero uh this first photograph dated May 15th yes I'm looking at some apartments that are have a nice view of this very messy yard everything you've discussed so far I don't see where you're improving the view from those tenants yeah well I mean that it that that's a that's a a good observation I think if we put the landscaping around it I I I should say that it it is a good suggestion it's a very good observation it has it has been this way for a long time and they haven't received any complaints but but by all means Ian I think we're here to hear the ideas and and we can put Landscaping along the front if that buffers it out on either side of the fence but we have to leave the gate open so we can access it I I understand um I'm not sure what we're voting on to let you continue to have a messy workyard um or I don't see where we're actually voting on improvements that we that you proposing that we could see that would resolve all these concerns I I don't I don't see it I I think it is an application for the continual use of something we're trying to get the site plan approval because it was never part of site plan approval as understood that understood that but it's a messy yard and and your little overview there is in my opinion not cleaning up absolutely what I see in these photographs understood yep before before we go on here we have we have clearly a number of problems with this application understood we would be much much happier with a more detailed site plan and with what you're proposing to do with it now we have several op options here but I think the best one is to ask you if you'd be willing to carry the case to the next meeting while you put you together a number of ideas as to how this should be and then submit that to the board the second option which I would prefer not to do would be that you would agree to work with our professionals to come up with a plan I think if I may I think the first option we'd be willing to carry this uh I'm not sure when the date is for the next meeting and and might it be prudent if we're going into December to maybe make it January so we have more time to submit detailed plans of how we would improve uh the lot to resubmit to the board so I don't know if as far as noticing purposes we want concrete pads we want better buffering the concrete pads are likely going to trigger variance for increasing your impervious coverage okay so those calculations will have to be figured I've got a suggestion too if I may um if you visit one of these um yards that sell Stone and masonry okay they'll have they'll have a bin yes where the bricks are stored they'll have a bin where the cinder block is stored right that's what we were when we said as far as concrete uh uh stockpile the are yeah it's it's stockpiles a lot neater than this understood um let me ask procedurally um if we carry to so you prefer January correct I'm thinking that would be more prudent for us to get more detail TimeWise the only question is are we able to carry it without re noticing or do we outo well I think if there's an additional variance you might have to Ren notice any way um just because that wasn't included in the in the first notice well let's let's discuss if well if there's a I understand uh we're we're just we're following the recommendation I think it was a recommendation from the engineer but I I I understand that if we're in violation of the uh impervious coverage requirement on the 43 Acres then then I I agree you're already over so I I assume we probably are they did really pay too much attention to impervious coverage years ago I guess but um but that that makes sense so I guess we would we would have to notice Mark for for that nor are we January 13th I think that's a Friday right 13 no one of us Friday [Music] maybe that's December 13th and there's a Friday the 13th coming up December yep so you're willing to we we are willing to carry our our app with all tolling of time and other things that might be involved with regard to the case well after after hearing the comments from the board I think it would be prudent for us to get a little more uh more detail and incorporate the comment and suggestions the board made in our revised plan so I think a January date would probably give us time more use time to uh to get that done and and I'm assuming you'll bring your witness and we'll have a a fairly thorough discussion of the case even though we've already had this discussion we we'll continue all right I'm I'm doing that for the Public's consumption here because the public is clearly interested in this understood and I appreciate comments that the board has made tonight uh what we're planning on doing tonight for the Public's consumption so rather than having you ask questions that they're no no I I've got a questions I want to ask and I do not want to be silenced at this point in time I want you to be informed of our concerns as neighbors of this particular I'm sorry sir we can't you can't provide testimony or comments unless it's that it's not the time for that right now I'm sorry sir I'm I'm sorry sir let let me just say that the way that we see this going they are asking that we carry the case we are probably going to grant that carrying there will be a whole another meeting on January 13 my suggestion to you is that you present yourself to the attorney and his client now or as soon as you can and discuss these things because many of your problems may be addressed by the new plans I'm sorry sir we we can't take any comments at this time the Chairman's explained that if you have comments or concerns you would like to raise you're going we're the board is going to adjourn the hearing on this application if you have individual concerns you need to reach out to the applicant's attorney to try to have them addressed in the revised plans and if I could State my name address and phone number is on the bottom of the notices that everyone received card I didn't bring a bunch of business cards but if you look at the notice and I'd be happy after just a moment let's just do the procedural stuff here first the applicant has requested that we uh I know January 13th is a new hearing date that we're going to carry the case so do I hear a motion to carry the case to January 13th motion do I have a second second all in favor I any oppos all right that closes tonight's hearing on this application but you will get a whole new meeting to voice any concerns over the new plans that they're going to present and again I suggest very highly that you consult with the applicant and their attorney and their representatives to see if your concerns can be met in their new modified plants you can I just say something you seem to be glancing over sir we are not glancing over anything everything will be on ordinances that are being that's not I'm sorry sir this is not the time for public comment if you have other concerns you can always submit your concerns in writing to the board as well and you can submit them to the applicant and you can come to the January 13th meeting and raise your comments then something was submitted but it does not get passed out to the board members yes but you will have another opportunity this is not the only opportunity the January 13th meeting is when you will have the opportunity to address this board to address the applicant it's actually best if you consult with the applicant and their representatives beforehand because you may very well get your concerns uh handled by them have been addressing concern for S years I I understand that but this is the way we're proceeding okay thank you and again my information for those that are here is on the bottom of the notice and I'd be happy to speak with anyone from the public so your concerns could be incorporated in the new plans we submit there you go and thank you very much sure for hearing our are there any other items to come before the board tonight do I have a motion to adjourn so anybody opposed thank you very much thank you so save that for another day 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