All right, we're on record. >> Okay. Good evening everyone. Announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given and it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104-6 ETSSE of the New Jersey Open Public
Meetings Act. Nora, would you please call the role? >> Mayor Desai >> here. >> Mr. Ginsmore >> here. >> Mr. Dpierro >> here. >> Councilwoman Hernandez >> here. >> Mr. Npalitano >> here. and chairman von Aken. We also
have present uh our board planner Mr. Ryson, our board engineer, Mr. Velesie, and our board attorney, Mr. Wel. >> Thank you very much. This is the meeting of the Township of Parrot Hills planning board meeting for April 6th starting at
7:30. We've made we've uh established a quorum. Let's please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Okay. This meeting is open to the general public. If there is anyone from the general public that would like to bring to the board's attention something which is not on our agenda for tonight, please come forward at this time. Seeing no one come forward, we'll close
the public portion. On our agenda tonight is application 26 col502. This is a continuation from the meeting on March 16th. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, uh Mr. Mayor, members of the board, board
professionals, uh Johnino on behalf of the applicant. Um before proceeding tonight, I feel compelled to share with the board because I was very excited about it and I hope you will be too. I was just home watching CNN and uh one of
the astronauts who is currently in space was being interviewed and he said in front of the whole world, I just saw my hometown of Paripony. >> Uhhuh. >> No. Garrett Ryman, 1986
graduate of Paripony High School, told the entire world half an hour ago that he just saw his hometown of Paripony from space. And as we sit here at this very moment, he is now farther from the Earth than any human being in the
history of humanity. So I wanted to share that source of uh pride for your town and to let you know that Garrett Riseman was so proud of Parcipany that uh he pointed out his hometown uh to the world for all. >> Thank you very much.
>> Want to share that with >> if I can just add on to that. Um, after he first went into space, um, I had a dedication here at Veterans Park and there's a bronze plaque with a huge that's mounted on a huge stone at
Veterans Park in honor of Garrett Riceman. >> Oh, yeah. >> Who knew? Anyway, >> I did. Yes, >> that goes without saying. >> Absolutely. >> That goes without saying, Mike. So, anyway, good evening again. Johnino here
on behalf of the applicant toll NJ1 LLC and as you recall you heard testimony on this application back on March 16th. Uh you heard engineering testimony from Robert Michello of Gladstone Engineering. Uh Mr. Michello is preparing revised plans uh per that
meeting and we'll be back to testify uh on that on the revised plans at the next meeting. You also heard testimony from our traffic engineer John Kurak from Stonefield Engineering and Mr. Korak uh concluded his testimony, responded to all questions from the board, board
professionals, and the public. So, tonight you're going to hear testimony from our architect uh Matthew Jarell of Jarell Gazelle. Uh and just briefly to reiterate uh the applicant is contract purchaser of Fort Gate Hall Drive. Uh
the applicant is proposing 178 town homes for sale, inclusionary uh town homes. 142 town homes will be market rate units and 36 will be affordable units. The 36 units, and you'll hear testimony on this
in a moment, uh will consist of seven stacked one-bedroom town home units, 21 stack two-bedroom town home units, and eight stack threebedroom uh units, all of which are in accordance with uh uh the redevelopment plan and the U-Hack
requirements. So, the bedroom distributions and the affordables are established by law. And without any further ado, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to call Mr. Jarl as our one and only witness tonight. Okay. Mr. Jarl, do you swear a firm tell of truth for this planning board tonight? >> I do.
>> Okay. Uh, is that bring it closer? >> I do. >> Okay. Better. >> All right. Uh, and Mr. Jaral, can you please state and spell your name for the record? >> Yes, I can. Uh, my name is Matthew, middle initial B. Jarl J A R M- L
>> Okay, Mr. Jarl, can we have your qualifications? The architect honors briefly. >> Thank you. Um, I am a 1990 graduate of New Jersey Institute of Technology, School of Architecture. I also have an MBA from Ruckers University, 1994
graduate with a concentration in real estate development and urban land use. I've been a registered architect in New Jersey since 1994. My license in New Jersey is in good standing. I'm board certified by the National Council of Architectural Registration Boards, which allows me reciprocity in any state. I'm
currently licensed in 30 states, 36 states, and Washington DC. I've testified hundreds of times before planning and zoning boards throughout New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York, as well as Superior Court. I've testified here in Par. >> Mr. Chairman, be requested that Mr. I'll
be recognized in as an expert in the area of architect. >> Any members of the board have any questions about his qualifications? >> Mr. Jal, you also checked your email today just in case there was any indication that your license may not be up to date. >> Um, my license is up to date. >> I knew you'd say that. And
>> thank you, Mr. Dell. And I see no uh concerns presented. So, Mr. Dell, would you be kind enough to please discuss the architect aspects of the project? have um four handouts for the board that we'll be using as exhibits. Your colleague has
>> I think we ended up at exhibit A4 last time. Is that >> either Nora or >> It's always easier to defer to Nora. Okay. So, just uh while we're um double checking, I believe this should be uh I
think we ended at exhibit A4 last time. Nora >> A4. A4. >> Okay. So, uh the document that was handed out there, we're going to mark these four sheets individually. Matt,
>> uh however you like. Okay. Uh Mr. Leno, do you want to we'll mark these uh individually or as a packet? What what's your preference? I >> I probably just mark them as a packet. A4 containing however many sheets are on A4.
>> Okay. So, we're going to mark this as a >> actually I thought we were beyond that. Uh there is a uh the professional engineer at exhibit uh A4 through A8 >> A9 a
>> A9 I'm just told by Mr. >> A9. >> All right. So we'll mark the packet as A9. It's four sheets. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. >> Very good. So I'm going to start with one of the exhibits. I think it's the last one in the packet we gave you, which is the site plan, and I'm sure
you're all very very familiar with. And it's it's uh prepared by Gladstone Design, not my office, but I'm going to refer to it as I as I speak tonight. And I put two arrows on it uh view one and view two. You'll see in the packet that you have there are two renderings, and
th those are where those uh views are taken from. But let me give you an overall overview of the project and kind of dive into a little bit of a description of the individual buildings and plans. Uh so as been testified to you in the past, there are 178 units
proposed for this project. They're really made up of three types of buildings. There's buildings that we call uh town homes. There are 74 of these. I'm going to show you. They they kind of do the perimeter of the site to the north, the east, and the south. They
wrap around the site. Those town homes are referred to as uh Headedford and Thorne. Those are the brand names that Tol puts on these homes. They're essentially the same with the exception of some minor changes which I'll show you in a moment on the second floor where kitchens are swapped with the
front and the back. So, I'm going to now bear with me move to a floor plan. Now, the drawing I have up now was part of the original submission, so it hasn't been marked as an exhibit, and it's entitled Headedford. So, these are the
Headford floor plans. In total, there are 74 three-bedroom town homes uh proposed on the site. And as I mentioned that the the they're defined as the Headford and the Thorn. What I'm showing you now is the Headford which has a
total area of two 2550 ft. The first floor, which is to far left, uh consists of 588 square ft. The second floor, which is in the middle, is 1,2 ft. And the
third floor, which is on the right side here, or my left, is 960 square ft. The plan, just walk you through it real quick. Two-car garage on the first floor.
There's a there's an entry off the main called off the street that you can use to walk up to the second floor. But the everyday entrance, presuming people come in through um the garage, there's a door to a flex room that's in the rear of the property. There's a powder room and then
another stair that comes up. The stairs meet in the middle about halfway up and then they continue to uh move up to the main living area. This this floor has a great room, very very large room. It's 23 ft by 17 ft. It's a casual dining
room. There's a kitchen area. This floor also has a powder room. It's a small two-story space that's open to below. And then you can continue up the stairs come up through the gate great room to the third floor where you'll see there are three bedrooms. The laundry is on
the third floor with the bedrooms. There's always a nice amenity to have. Uh and then there's two bathrooms up here, a master bath and a uh secondary bath. That's for the for the other two bedrooms. plan I'm showing you now. Again, part of
the original submission is the Thorn and they're essentially the same. I'll just call your attention to the second floor where previously in the Headford the kitchen was in the back. Now it's in the front of the home and the uh I'm sorry, it's in the middle of the home and the casual dining to the front and the great
room to the back. In the previous plan, the twotory space was removed. So, this building's slightly larger. Um it is 2565 ft as opposed to the other one I showed you which was 250. So 15 square ft
larger because that twotory space is infill. Now to doesn't know how many of each one these are going to build. Uh they'll start building a combination of them and then they're really based on sales and preference of the purchaser in that regard. Again,
now I'm showing you an elevation of a four-unit building. And you you'll see on the site plan there's a combination where there are four of these together or six of these together. Uh and this is an example of facades and they have some color better color renderings which I'll
show you. But there are options for the main facades and they're known as country manor which you can see here. This has a they all have stone on the bottom, but you'll see this has a a sort of the bays here have a standing seam metal roof on top of them. Uh there's
also what they call the New Haven which has a higher high dormer on it. And then there's uh the Manchester which has a um a second gable coming back and then the Thorn Elite Craftsman which sort of is
similar to the Hedford sort of a book book end. I show you these because they they all use the same highquality materials, but rather than have one flat facade that has the same look throughout by alternating the facades and and introducing these options into the floor
plans, they have an individual character associated with them that so that the entire development doesn't look like, excuse the the song lyric, pink houses all in a row by by John Cooper, but they all have an individual character to them and they and they vary. Okay.
The second type of building after the town homes is what uh we call a stack town home. And there's actually 34 and and basically it's a town home where there's a lower unit and upper unit. And there are 34 of these. But because there are two units in each home or in each
building, there's a total of 68. And these are defined as Bartlett and Concord. In terms of the names of them, the Bartlett unit is what we call the lower unit. So, you'll notice uh on our floor plans that there's an L that
defines the Bartlett and the Concord is the upper unit. And what I'm showing you now is four of these units in a in a four stack building. And I'm showing you the first floor. Again, this floor plan was was submitted with the application.
Uh the Bartlett is a 1,320 square f foot uh building and it's slope or unit, I'm sorry, and it's located on the first and second floors. The first floor is 632 ft and the second floor is
688 square ft. So the Bartlett on the first floor includes a great room and includes a kitchen and a powder room and a link to the garage. Also on this floor is the entry to the
Concord in the Concord garage. So every every unit across the front has two main entrances. But when you're going into the Concord, you have the opportunity to go up and then up to the second floor. And there's a separate entrance from the
rear from your from your garage. So you can enter the building from the front or the back. And that's the limit of the occupancy of the Concord on the first floor. only 177 square ft. The second floor is shared a little bit
less about 60% 40% between the two units where where the on the Bartlett second floor includes two bedrooms, two baths and a laundry. So this is the front of the building. So you come up the stairs and
there's two two two bath uh two bedrooms a primary bedroom or master bedroom and a primary bath and then a secondary bath and that is that total unit. But the concord on the second floor includes a great which is in the rear includes a kitchenet, a great room and a powder
room. And then the Concord occupies the entire third floor of the building which is um three bedrooms, two baths and the laundry. And this is um third floor is 1,256
ft in area. So in the front of the building is a primary bedroom. There's a loft space which could be used as a study or an office or a small den and two bedrooms in the back of the building. Mechanical equipment's up here. uh as well as uh bathrooms.
The third type of building we have on the site is the ADUs, the affordable dwelling units. And this is an this colored plan is an exhibit that that I provided as part of uh this this evening's exhibit A8, I
think we're on or A9. Um, and I I notice it's I just want to kind of key you back. I'm going to refer you back to the site plan I showed earlier. So, I think it's important to note, excuse me, that the affordable dwelling units are
intermingled in the development with the market rate. and they're indistinguishable and I'll show you in the renderings that but pointing out to you there's a building on the northern part of the site that's in between two of the stack town homes that is affordable dwelling units and that has
three units in it and then there are two at the southern side of the site also kind of with what I call the center cluster mixed in with the with the stack town homes. Now as Mr. Duno had had mentioned to you is there's a mixture of
one, two, and threebedroom units that are all designated and distributed in accordance with the uh universal housing requirements for the fourth round of affordable housing. So there are in total 36 affordable
dwelling units. And when you divide 36 or take 36 from the over 178, you get 20.22% of the development. So it exceeds it just slightly exceeds the 20% mand mandatory set aside. And then within those counts, there are
seven one-bedroom units which make up 19.44% of the affordable units. You are not allowed to have more than 20% of onebedroom. So, we're just slightly below the 20%. With two bedrooms, we
have 21 twobedrooms which make up 58.33% of the affordable units. The re the rules require you to have at least 30%. That's two bedrooms and we have 58.3. Um, and then there are eight
three-bedroom units that make up 22.22% of the affordable units. And again, the the rules require that you have a minimum of 20% uh be threebedrooms. So all all the counts and distribution of the affordable dwelling units match uh equally throughout throughout the
development. >> And if I may just wait, it will also agree the applicant will agree as a condition of approval that uh we'll meet all of the income requirements uh for the folks that are going to live in the affordable units. As you may
know, there there's low income, low low income. We'll meet now. Uh please bear with me because it's a little confusing, but I'm going to kind of talk to you a little bit about how the units are dist distributed throughout the development and how
they're broken up per building. Um on this drawing, this exhibit I put together, you'll see a little diagram up here with the numbers 19, 13, and 12. Those numbers correspond to building numbers on the site plan. So the first one is building 19. I can point out to
you on the site plan where that is. So I showed you a moment ago where the three clusters were. Building 19 is on the northern part of the built site and then the next two buildings are on the lower side which are buildings 13 and 12. Then
you'll see there's a box with a number in it, a Roman numeral on each one. And what this corresponds to is building 19 has three separate buildings. I'm sorry. Building 13 has four separate buildings and building 12 has three separate
buildings. We've uh identified the individual units as Roman numeral 2, Roman numeral 4, 5B, and 5A. And they correspond to this. And each one of those, there's a chart to the right of
that that talks about what the distribution of buildings is. So, for example, building two is one within the development has a one-bedroom unit, a two-bedroom unit for a total of three units. Building four and and I
apologize. You see how it says F next to it. We weren't smart in coordinating between the architectural and engineering drawings. So, the engineering drawings refer to it as F. We the architecturals refer to it as building two. So, I've added nomenclature there so it clarifies it in
the exhibit. Building four known as D on the engineering. There are three of these on the plant in the development. These are two twobedrooms, one onebedroom. And then building V 5B is a building C. Engineering wise, there are three of
these. This building has two onebedrooms and two two bedrooms for a total of four units in the building. And then building 5A, also this one is also ADA van accessible. is identified on the civil
plans as E. This has three units and it's got um three twobedrooms and I'm sorry uh two threebedrooms and one threebedroom. And then what we have over here is the typical plans and and I'll
call these out. I I would ask you that you just pay attention to the Roman numerals because they don't necessarily align. So for example, building 19 has a 5A, a 2, and a 5B. So, here's a 5A plan and a 5B plan as an example. And I I'll walk you through them relatively
quickly. We colorize them because they're a little confusing to follow. And uh what Tol does and candidly I I can't take full credit for this because although we prepared the exhibit, these are Toll kind of designs that they use and repeat in other developments. I'm
I'm working with them on a similar project and they're doing a similar thing. And what's kind of cool about these units is they take on the feel like the town homes. Uh, and they have multiple levels and they step. So, for example, in this type 5A unit, there's a
two-bedroom unit that's 850 square ft. And in this particular case, it's a flat. It's all on the same floor. You'll see that it has a main entry, but also has a garage attached to it. And there's two bedrooms. The kitchen's here and a living room. When I go to the second
floor of this 5A unit, there's actually two units there. There is a a two-bedroom unit that's 200 it's 972 ft and a three-bedroom unit that is uh 1,253
ft. And those share this second floor, but you'll note both of them have stairs in them that I'm pointing to and go up to the third floor. So, the three-bedroom unit has two bedrooms on the second floor of the building, also bathroom, laundry, living room, dining
room, kitchen, and then it has a private bedroom that goes up to the third floor. So, you can just see that blue blue side there. Similarly, the two-bedroom unit starts on the second floor with an entry off the main stair. It has a kitchen, uh, living room, mechanical equipment,
and then a stair that takes you upstairs to the two to the two-bedroom, uh, unit. So, within this building, uh, and then there's a third unit on the upper floor, which is also a two-bedroom unit, and that that's 858 square ft, and that's
this gray area here where the entire unit's on one floor. So, in this three-story building, we have four units and that they and and several of them uh two of them are two stories, like a duplex. It's kind of cool, I think. Uh, one thing I'll point out is the minimum
requirements per the uniform housing uh codes from the state is a onebedroom needs is 600 square ft, a twobedroom is 850 ft, and a 3bedroom is uh 1,150 ft². You'll notice as I go through these plans that all of our units exceed the
minimum requirements provided that required by the state. Moving to a building uh 4D. This building has three units in it. Uh two two-bedroom units and a three-bedroom unit. And the entire first
floor is a is a two-bedroom unit. It has a connected garage and then it also has a separate garage which serves the three-bedroom unit. There's a common stair that takes you to the second and third floors. The second floor includes a contains a two-bedroom unit entirely
to itself with a um small portion of the three bedroom of of a three of a two-bedroom unit that connects to the to the lower floor. I'm sorry I said uh so there's a stair within that lower floor that takes you to the second unit and then the entire
third floor of the building is dedicated to a three-bedroom unit. Okay. I'll also note and I can answer questions you have is we show on these plans where all the trash cans are stored and they're all colorcoded so you can see how they key back into where the
where the units are. So the trash is all contained. Building type two also has three bed uh three apartments or three um I'm sorry residential units. There's a one-bedroom unit on the first floor. Um a
three-bedroom unit that contains the entire second floor and a three-bedroom unit that matches the second floor unit on on the third floor. Type 5B has a one-bedroom unit on the first floor. It has a one-bedroom unit on the
second floor that also has the bedroom on the third floor. So, there's an internal stair and then there's a two-bedroom unit on the second floor and then a two-bedroom unit on on the third floor. So, those those
are the four types of affordable dwelling units. And as I as I noted, they meet the universal housing percentage of breakdown for one, two, and three. And all the units exceed the minimum size requirements.
Coming back to the exhibit with the site plan, I'm about to show you, and you have it in front of you in the handout, two renderings that show the types of materials. So, we're going to start with view one. View one is on the road A. It's um which is on the northern part of
the site but sort of looking a southeasterly direction or southern direction and you'll see that it's showing uh both the stack town homes and one of the affordable dwelling unit buildings. So this drawing that I'm showing you now
is the exter exterior ending one and you can see it's a view down the street and this includes both stacked town homes and affordable dwelling units. And I think you'll agree that you can't distinguish one from the other. They they all look very similar. So I will point out to you that right here there's
a break. So this is a one 2 3 4 unitit building of stack town homes and it actually has eight units in it because there's one on two in each and you can see each building has two entries as we go down. Then the next building is an affordable dwelling unit building. And
you'll see it has the same materials on all sides and as as the market rate as the stone. It has uh siding, vinyl siding, different colors. It has a combination of in some cases we're using horizontal siding, vertical siding, as
well as uh some cementition panels on on the base. I point that out because we're providing a variety of materials and colors, although they're all um coordinated in terms of color, but again, all the buildings have a similar look and character and they're indistinguishable as to whether they're
market or uh affordable. Turning back to the site plan exhibit, I'm going to point out view two, which is on the road C. And this is looking at a combination of stack town homes as
well as standard town homes. And you'll see again similar look, similar materials, stone base, horizontal siding, cementitious siding on the bays. Some places we're using, as I I testified earlier, the different facade types. Here's one that has a
standing set metal roof. Here's one that has a dormer built into the roof with windows. Uh here's one that has a gable end as an example. And as you look down the street again, all similar and common materials are used throughout.
So the the development proposes to use high-end uh finish materials on the exterior. Um there's a similar use of fenestration of materials on on all the buildings. Uh the development will meet the 15% electric vehicle set aside uh to
be able to bring them to be read uh ready. Uh all the units will have sprinklers in them. Uh and the buildings themselves will use sustainable uh materials and energy efficient HVAC heating, cooling, and ventilation
equipment. It's going to be a beautiful development if it if it's approved this evening. Um that essentially completes my testimony. Mr. Lucino, I don't know if you I missed anything. No. Uh, back to you, Mr. Chairman. >> Okay. Do any of our professionals have
questions for the witness? >> Oh, you want to go first? >> Well, I would I was going to say I'd like to hold off because a lot of my stuff is going to be going over the redevelopment plan and the design elements. So, I'd rather give the board
some opportunity to to discuss about your design elements and your roof line because part of the the plans encourages this. Um, when you had one of your earlier exhibits, I think it was just for um illustration only that the roof
line was just straight. I think this one you were just it it wasn't one of these colored re but your intention is to have these type of roof lines to to um >> alternate throughout the the develop >> throughout the Yeah. So we'll go over it cuz it's like two pages worth.
>> I don't want to just hog hog the microphone, but I'd like them uh you know the mayor and everyone else probably has some input on what they'd like to see if there's any other elements they'd like to see that that that Toll could put into these uh um town homes.
>> Okay. Anything from the engineer? >> Just clarifying a couple things that the engineer had testified to. Um, one of the things was um, building 12. >> Can you speak into the mic, please? >> Yeah. Bring the mic. Is the mic on? >> Yeah, mic's on.
>> Oh, just you don't have to push. Just get closer. >> Sorry about that. >> There you go. >> Um, a few things that the engineer had testified to. Um, uh, you specified that in building 12
there's an ADA accessible garage space. I just wanted to clarify, um, if you can show that on the floor plans. So, so it's it's what we call um, building type 5A. Uh, it's a little
wider than the other buildings. It's 30 feet wide. It's shown on the lower left hand side of this of this plan. And you can see that the garage is wider than the than the others uh where it has both a car and then there's uh space on the side of it to allow for handicapped
accessibility or getting in and out like a van accessible which is usually on the passenger side. And this particular unit is a um first floor unit and it has no stairs in it. So, you can come directly from the garage into the unit as I just traced with my pen.
>> Perfect. Thank you. Uh, another thing, um, the units that don't have a garage, um, the engineer had, um, said that there's a trash room provided for those particular units. >> There is. Yes. >> U, do you mind showing?
>> Yeah. So, so um, okay. So, I'm going to stay with type A as an example. So, type A has has four apartments in it. Uh the first floor, which is the orange van, accessible. Within the garage, there's room for for
um two trash cans. >> Okay. >> The blue garage, which serves uh the three bedroomedroom unit, also has room in the garage for two trash cans. And then you'll see on the side of the building here, the gray,
there's a closet there that's accessible from the outside. that has two trash cans and that corresponds to the the gray unit which is on the third floor of that building. And then the green corresponds to the two-bedroom unit. So
you'll see that in each one of these building types if there is not room in the garage that there is a closet associated with it that corresponds by by color in this exhibit to the unit that uses those trash cans. >> Okay, great. And they would still be
responsible to bring them out to the to the curer private hall. >> They they would. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Um >> that is all I had. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Y >> Okay. Any members of the board have questions for the architect? Mr. Chairman, I do.
>> Go ahead, Mr. Npalitano. >> Thank you. Uh great job explaining this. I was staring at this before. I mean, I had no idea what I was looking at and I do now. So, I really appreciate that. Thank you for that. >> My pleasure. Thank you. I know it can be confusing. Maybe you can answer this, maybe you can't, but just let's just pick uh bottom left, that unit there. Uh
if the fire happens in that unit, does the alarm go off for that entire building? >> Would you know that? >> Um >> it's not it's okay if you don't. >> I I don't know the answer to that cuz we haven't done the construction documents yet. Um I I would say that it goes off in this entire unit,
>> but not the not necessarily the adjacent. >> Everybody gets it, right? Let me let me um so um this project being a multi- uh residential unit would have to meet uh a heightened fire code standard.
>> So uh once or assuming that this project is approved uh Mr. DL and the engineer and all the other uh professionals will have to prepare uh more intensive and specific plans to submit to building uh
in order to meet uh their satisfaction >> uh after they leave this board. Uh and one of those things they would have to meet is with regard and I think Mr. JL brought this up that the buildings are sprinklered. In fact, I think there's even on your u um exhibit there uh Mr.
There is a sprinkler room. In fact, >> there is. Yeah. >> So, >> if if I if I go to Mr. just kind of to better address Mr. uh Apatano uh question. So, >> we we have different use groups in the building code. So, because this is a
multi-family type building and because there are shared fire stairs, it gets classified as what's called the R2 use group. And it actually has uh we'll we'll use what's called an NFPA, National Fire Protection Association 13R, which is a system specifically
designed to designated sprinkler system for uh multifamily buildings as opposed to the single town homes which would use what's called the 13D system. It's a little bit different. So they have local alarms and this building would have a shared alarm because of the shared
shared sprinkler system. >> Thank you. Yeah. Miss Hernandez, go ahead. >> Thank you. >> Some of these are for sale, right? >> They're all for sale. These are 100% for sale units >> given the stacked unit. So the stacked
units as well, >> correct? >> Okay, that's it. >> And uh Piggy, go ahead. >> One thing mayor just I know Mr. Um, Engosino brought this up about uh
condition of approval that this the affordable units would meet the U-Hack uh regulations, but of course we would also have because these are for sale units. I'm sure Mr. Casino would agree with me. It's a condition of approval uh that the um deed restrictions for those
units would also be reviewable by my office and the town attorney >> 100%. Because just on just I'm sorry, just to clarify on Councilwoman Hernandez's question, any of the those affordable units are going to have a deed restriction identifying that they are
affordable units uh for a 30-year period, and that will be uh go with that will go with that unit in perpetuity. >> Okay, >> I have a I have a question. Go ahead, Mr. Dpierre.
>> What entity makes sure that all these affordable units are following the law? >> Well, um uh Mr. Dpiro, uh the township uh I'm assuming it does. I believe it does.
Uh and every township hires what's an what's known as an affordable housing agent. Uh an agency that in essence is a clearing house. uh to uh facilitate the town's efforts to ensure that people
meet uh income requirements. I think Mr. Ingosino brought this up before about there being several levels. Uh the affordable housing agent that's contracted with the township does the vetting to find the individuals to ensure they meet the income requirements
and to ensure that the deed restrictions are placed on the property and remain on the property. And then when sales happen in the future that at the point in which the sale happens that the next party purchasing the unit meets the income uh
eligibility requirements. So there's a uh an outside third party agent that assists with that project. >> What happens if an individual who's in there income changes? >> There's uh >> I'll give you one example right now.
Okay. under under President Trump, Social Security is not counted as part of your income. So that gives some people a big drop in their their income while while he's president. I don't know what's going to happen when he's not president. What happens to that that
exemption of of social security taxes? But if someone goes in because they qualify now because their social security doesn't count and the next president doesn't have that rule, their income might be exceeded. Now what happens? Who follows up on that?
>> That that that's once again the affordable housing agent that is hired. uh it's their job to ensure that the uh the parties who uh are in these units meet these requirements and their job and they're they do it. Um there's one
group that basically covers I think almost uh 60% of the towns uh in this area and uh they uh do a very good job of keeping up on those statistics and uh
vetting uh persons. So that that's that's their job as part of their of their contract. >> And Mike, if you if you uh Mr. If you um once you qualify for the income uh requirement, then you buy, right?
That's your your home. So if your income goes up after that, your income goes up after that. But what you do not have the right to do is resell the unit at a big profit because the sales prices are regulated. and uh PIASA who is the the the company
that does a lot of this work in this area. There are others um they are as Joe accurately stated they are charged uh with ensuring that uh the resales you know it's not like people can put their
income down go in buy it and then turn a quick profit. You can't sell those at a profit. there. This is this is a state this is a state regulatory scheme which is candidly beyond the the board or even the municipalities uh jurisdiction or control. It's all
heavily state regulated and um as Joe said accurately, there's a few companies that really kind of have the monopoly on this in the state and they make sure that all of the regulations are complied with. >> Okay. Thank you. So, you start out with an annual income qualification.
So, if I'm a student at Princeton and I only have a half a year of income, I qualify to buy this even though next year I'm going to have double the income. That won't matter. >> And you may want to build you want to you may want to not live there anymore, right? If you can afford to move out,
you may want to afford something different, but you're not going to be able to sell that at a profit that you can then parlay. The whole idea here, >> which is rooted in the deed restriction, which I want to come back to that Joe mentioned, is that deed restriction
would not allow a subsequent buyer to clear title. >> So, it's a simple time of sale test for a one year one year >> because they're they're they're for sale units. They're not they're not rentals. They're for sale. What? >> No, I mean I I can't see any other way of doing it, but I'm just
>> I believe uh Mayor Desai had a question. >> Uh well, I had two questions, but now I have three. So, basically, there is a mechanism in place to prevent flipping of these properties, you know, for at least for 30 years. >> Yes. You you cannot flip the properties
and make a profit. >> Okay. >> The affordable units. >> The affordable. Absolutely. Yes. The affordable there. Uh but the regular units have no deed restrictions. They're just like any other homes you buy any in any suburbs. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Uh my question number two is I
know you said 178 units. Uh and you broke down all the other ones. >> Uh maybe after the meeting, can you give me a breakdown of what all the uh onebedroom, twobedroom, how many affordable units and all that is? >> I mayor, I I'd be pleased to do it right now for you because I I actually did but
perhaps you didn't hear. I can do it real real quick. >> Sure. There are seven one-bedroom units, 21 two-bedroom units, and eight three-bedroom units. >> Eight. >> Eight. >> Okay. >> And those and Mill, those are the affordable units. >> Those are the affordable units.
>> Okay. >> There there are 36 of them. >> Uh, and from the regular units, is there a breakdown >> there? There is. So, there are um 74 3bedroom town home units.
And then there are a total of 34 buildings that are the stack town homes may one on top of the other for a total of uh 68 units of half 34 twobedroom and 34 are threebedroom. >> Okay.
>> So I I guess in total there's a 108 market rate threebedroom. >> Okay. So the onebedroom is only in the affordable component. >> That is correct. >> Okay. >> Uh my third question is I'm going to be not singling you guys out but I'll be
asking this to every single uh application that comes for any housing is basically on the curb appeal the facade. Uh one of the things I'm cognizant of is say I am blindfolded and taken anywhere
in New Jersey. If I when the blindfolds are off, I want to make sure is this really Pipony, is it Somerset, you know, is it Manville, you know. So, I would like Pipony or any development to be uniquely individual and not cookie
cutter. Even though you will have the ability to make changes to make it look different, but just the way Pipony looks, for example, Mount Taber and some of the other areas of Pipony, I'm looking to make sure it does have a unique look. So, there's a signature not
only for your properties, for your benefit, but also for the town itself. >> I'm not 100% sure how to answer that, but what what I can tell you is that this development will have a character onto its own. And although that the floor plans are similar to other toll
projects I've been involved in, the use of materials on the exterior of the building are different. For example, another project I'm involved in uses brick >> and and this one uses stone as as an example. Okay. >> And I think uh your planner is going to ask me two pages of questions. I think that I think hopefully that when I
answer them that will help help address that. But I think that you'll find that this is uh you know it's a town home. They're different. They're different levels. Uh I happen to have a lot of respect for my client. They are probably one of the largest home builders in the country and they're very well respected
as as developers. So they they put out a very high quality product. >> Okay, that's all. That's all for now. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. >> I believe Miss Hernandez had a question. >> Our stat,
>> right? So I think let me just ask it a little different way. I think uh Mr. German. Um, Councilman Hernandez was just uh asking me about the affordable housing units and where they sit within
the stack town home number. The stacked town home number you gave us was a separate number than the affordable >> housing number. Right. So, so although you said that there are, and you can correct me if I'm wrong,
>> and you're free to do, but I think I'm right. Um, 68 stack town home units, >> and those are market rate. >> That is correct. >> Okay. The 36 affordable housing units
are all technically, and this where you may be able to may correct me, they're all technically in the stack town home configuration. >> Yes. Okay. >> Yeah, they're amongst the stacked town homes. In some cases, they're across the
street from the non-stack town homes, but you would you unless you knew exactly where they are driving through this community, you wouldn't be able to distinguish them from any other building. >> Thank you. >> Okay, >> chairman. >> Go ahead. >> Thank you. All right. On the uh layout
plan, site site plan, the A's are the first one you said, right? Anything labeled A, >> right? So, no. So, >> all the A's in the three bedroom. A's are three. >> All the B's are the stacked town homes. >> Correct. >> And then all the C's, D's, and E are the affordable units.
>> That is correct. >> Perfect. I also finally know what stack town homes means now. Thank you for that. >> You're welcome. >> But you kept hearing it for forever now. I finally know what it means. Thank you. >> Uh I have two questions myself. Um I noticed on the rooftop uh that you show
there, there appear to be some windows that are uh appearing out of the top roof. Are those strictly um for appearance or is that connected to a a lower great room of some kind? >> So, Mr. Chairman, I think and I'm
showing the second uh render. I think you're referring to the windows I'm pointing to now. >> Yes, that's correct. >> There there there's an attic up there, but it's not accessible. They're they're decorative. >> Okay. So, they're purely decorative. Um the other question I have is um with regards to insulation, especially
between the garage space and the the uh living space. Having lived in a townhouse, I've had problems with uh the temperature controlled sections of the unit and the non-controlled. Will everything be according to New Jersey code and will everything be enforced to
make sure that it's done correctly? Um, so that whoever does the construction drawings for this, maybe me, it may be Tol's in-house people will have to prepare them in accordance with the New Jersey Uniform Construction Code. Sure. >> Which we which has an energy code as a
building code and and and they uh >> and they need to put insulation in. Uh, the way it's enforced would be your local construction code official and department. And I can tell you after practicing architecture in 36 years and throughout the state that Parcipony has
a really good department to do that. >> So you're probably also aware of the situations that I'm probably referring to also. >> Of course. >> Okay. >> And by the way, in addition, the insulation really serves two purposes. One one purpose is for thermal insulation. The other is for sound
transmission. So although when you have the traditional town homes there's a we'll call the demising wall or separating wall vertically between them that's well insulated as well the stack town homes the floors are well insulated so if you have an owner above or below
you that that will help control sound transmission. >> All right. Uh any other questions from the board? Any other questions from our professionals? >> Okay. Now now it's my turn to bore everybody.
Uh one, uh first things first, we I just want to make sure that we get these terminologies with the engineer. We're calling them town homes because there was there was a mix and match on the last time we had here. Some would call garden apartments. Some are called town homes.
>> Oh, these are these are for sale town homes. These are not apartments. >> So when the engineer comes back, we need to call them town homes because that's what they're regulated for in RSIs. >> Yes. I I think he I think that's one of the modifications that are being made and I think he he uh recognized that
that was a >> yeah little >> faux and we realized and I'll read some from the plan that he's an illustrator. Yeah. >> I mean you Mr. Charmel does great work and all but illustrative it may change but as long as it's within the what the plan requires because they have that
whole architectural section just in our review letter which is really my only big comment was the applicant should demonstrate compliance of section 8 which is the architectural which we're going to go over. So um and if I let me
just go to it and that starts on page 42. There's some items general. I'm not going to read the whole thing, but one of the key points here on 8.13 on page 42 talks about there's graphics in the plan. It says these are not intended to
depict actual design mandates, but it's just to give an illustration. So, um, one of the concepts here that they talk about that, um, they want to echo architectural styles and not have relief. Now, this is your intent that
you're basically these roof lines will be very similar in in in the sense that, you know, there there will be differences to make it unique. And I think that goes to what the mayor says. We wanted something that looks like parcipity and at the same time is you know, this is within the 8.2 general
design philosophy section. >> I I I believe we're complying with that, maybe even exceeding it. uh because we have multiple facade fronts for for similar floor plans. Uh where the the ridge heights of these buildings which is also governed by your zoning um is
pretty consistent. You'll see as like for example this is a a fourunit building that not only has um uh three different facade types and then a mirror of the the end units. You'll notice that there's varying ridge heights.
There's varying types of gables, dormers, and and what I'll call shed roofs. There's a mixture of materials used from a um we'll say a dimensional asphalt shingle, which is a high quality shingle, by the way, to a standing seam metal over this um I call it bay or pop
out. The facades are not flat. They step in and out. Okay. So basically it's just one big concept in general design is site and building design shall employ mass scale layout materials and architectural other distinguishing features in order to
establish a traditional civic character. I think that that's a theme and I think that >> I I think we're I think we're accomplishing that. >> Okay. So and then building scale and subtly gra um graduating changes. That's 8.22. I mean I don't think I think my
professional opinion looking at I'm not an architect. I'm a planner. But these aren't I mean they are gradual enough. It's not it's not jarring when you >> No, it's it's a gradual change between units. I mean you can you can distinguish because this facade is
different and the roof eve is at a higher elevation on this one than this one. Each one of these buildings has its own character but yet shares a similar theme of use of material and styling. You'll you'll also see if I can turn
back to the site plan, there's different cluster sizes. You know, in some cases, here's a four cluster. Here's an affordable building that has a threecluster back to a fourcluster. Here is a uh sixcluster. And you can see even on the site plan
how the buildings step in and out and have have varying both in uh front and back. So they're not long straight facades. Okay. Um could we go back to that uh the illustration here?
Um the one with the garages. No offense to these. They those look nice too. Um on on the plan again, this is illustrative on page 43. If you look at um in the plan um one of the things I'm just looking at the garages
and those don't vary too much. In fact, they kind of it it's a challenge with town homes. You know, we used to talk about single family homes. They used to call them snout houses where the garage dominated the front. Um, is there any kind of way to to be able to provide
some variety here on on on the doors because I think, you know, they all start looking the same on on the ground. >> Yeah, we we could certainly, you know, alternate or use different door types, some with windows, some without, some of a different panel, >> and I'm fine with that. We could work
together on that. Again, I again, the the picture on page 43 of the plan, you know, just shows a little different treatment. So I think I would suggest that because I think otherwise it seems to be in in line with the design. Um also in 84 841 it says
building shall avoid long monotonous uninterrupted uninterrupted walls and roof planes and shall be architecturally emphasized throughout uh entrance treatment and detailing. Uh I think there's one thing. Do you have a don't you have a better picture of a corner building?
I think there was another illustration. I could be wrong. >> There's a quarter building. >> Yeah, that's perfect. Okay. So, under here and and just so everyone sees that there's windows on the corner and that's that's required because under 8.42 42
corner buildings on corner lots or in the corner of a project um are considered significant structures since they have at least two facades visibly exposed to the street. Such buildings shall be designed with enhanced facade treatments, architectural embellishments to
emphasize such locations. Um, so would that be the intent to be able to >> that that that is the intent and and it's very challenging to with town homes which you know typically the the we'll say the walls separating units have no windows cuz they're side by side and
then you get to the end units. So we make it a point to make sure that we're installing some windows there and adjusting adjusting the plan that will allow those windows. >> Okay. So that basically um that you'll be compliant with that because I think that was a big emphasis in the plan.
>> Um one other item that talked about um how many courtyards and plazas are open space or anything? What do we have here? Because they talk about uh you know landscaping, streetscaping, lighting, street trees, benches, you know what
kind of amenity amenities there? >> So this is probably a question be better asked. Um >> I think I think one of the first civil engineer but >> yeah one of the comments to the engineer was to try to incorporate some of that into the >> okay >> plan design which by the way the plans
I'm told are going to be uh resubmitted by Friday. >> So we have some work to do. Okay. I'll be uh I'll be uh holding I'll be anxiously awaiting >> but I I will point out just in response to your question is that you know there
there's a series of roads right? So, you know, there's road A, road E, but then these center units here, there's there's green space. They're bio retention basins, so you're not playing in them, but in between them, there's beautiful paths and landscaped areas. So, this this whole strip that I'm sort of
pointing to and running my fingers is all green space. Similarly, in between many of the town homes, there's uh green space like backyards that that are provided in all of them. And uh you know because the buildings are clustered in
four to six units and sometimes eight in between the buildings there's spacing as well. >> Okay fine. Um and we'll wait there for the engineer to talk about it more but you know that's in that's under 8.43. Uh roofs we've already gone over but
8.51 says roof line offsets shall be provided to add architectural interest and variety to the massing in the building. not you know we're already seen that so that complies >> um dormers koopas you know any way are encouraged again you you did show that
there are some architectural treatments there that's under 8.52 >> um is there going to be any solar >> it's permitted but >> no there's there's no okay doing community solar is very very challenging by the way
>> I'm not encouraging or discouraging it's just permitted >> um and facade treatment I I think you mentioned this before about using stone under 861. It says all elevation shall be consistent with style, materials, and colors
um in solid blank windowless walls. That's under 862 is um is discouraged. Right. And I think that like >> we have similar materials on all the buildings, all the facades and and um
windows on the sides as you've pointed out >> and all the entrances are in the front of course, right? >> That is correct. >> So because that goes into where you know entries and doorways under 8.7 so that complies um building entrances um there's
different types of building entrances in in in emphasis, right? There's some you have some covered. >> Some are recessed, some are some covered. So again, it doesn't look like if I'm coming home at 2:00 in the morning and I can't figure out which, you know, trying to trying to find a friend's house and I I, you know,
they'll tell me which >> which one it looks like. I won't get lost. I've I've had that happen before. And I think that goes to the mayor's comment about looking cookie cutter. You know, we want to make it look unique. Um, and building lighting. Um I think
maybe we should save that for the engineer going. >> Yeah, he touched on lighting last time. >> We'll go there. >> Um so you're and and just going under 89. Your color scheme is going to be compatible throughout the >> Yes, it'll be consistent. >> Um
refu areas are going to be uh um do we really touch on that too much? >> So I engineer asked me questions about that. interior on the affordable units, but all the market rate units have garages and they'll keep the trash in the garage and they take it out on trash.
>> So, they'll take it out >> in front of their unit. They'll have to put in front of their unit. >> They're not going to you're not going to have se Is there going to be separate refuge areas anywhere? >> No. >> No. >> Okay. So, then 812 is is really uh is moved because it was written for it in
case they have you're not proposing it. >> Mr. Steel. So, are you saying A or 8? >> Oh, I'm sorry. 8 8.12 refues. >> I just wasn't. >> Yeah. No, 8.12 and that's on page 46. >> The points boot because they're not proposing those areas, but they did have
a whole section about how it has to be screened and such. Thank you for asking. And fences and walls. What uh do we have retaining walls and fences and such? >> That's a question I would refer to the engineer. >> Just you you can go up to uh a retaining
wall can go up to 4 ft in height. may have a maximum of sixt fence on top. I have a feeling that's going to be around attention bases, but we'll we'll wait for him to I don't want to steal his thunder. >> Um, and signage is really not a big issue here. You only have two signs, so
I'm not going to go over this. >> So, I think in general, just from again looking at it from from my point of view, I look at the exterior. I know a lot of the board members are interested in the interior, but as a planner, quite frankly, I'm the only thing I care about in the interior is bedroom count. So, as
long as I got that consistent, next time I'll be a happy camper. >> Okay. >> So, thank you. >> And uh also, I think Joe, we covered this last time, but the um trash will be by private hauler. >> Uh snow removal will be done by private
contractor of the association. landscaping. >> Can I ask another question, >> Mr. Dpier? Go ahead. >> Looking at this view, um, years ago, I was sitting on this planning board. Um, when they built, uh, when they
proposed the Hunting Ridge Association, that's the condent property. Um, and it was pretty filled in just just like that. And when the homeowners association were
when it was all occupied, uh, they came to me. They came to others, I guess, too, but I'm the one that responded. And they said the homeowners association had no property to build a clubhouse or a playground for
the children in that in that area. No property was allowed for that. Um, and I had some engineers look at it to see if there's any place they could do it and there was none. We we didn't
think of that or even asked that question. >> So, I'm not sure your question, there is no clubhouse, but um there is a playground area right at the right at the entry. >> And and not only that, it it has parking spaces. So, if you live in a mo unit, you could walk over with your children,
you could drive over, park and play. >> All right. So, that's one out of the two. That's That's That's more than they had there. >> Thank you. >> I'm a planner. I encourage walking, >> not driving to the playground. >> All right. >> All right. Um, this is more a comment
than a question. Sorry for this, but uh, you know, as as beautiful as the variation of roofs are, uh, there's two things that do come to mind. Is the cost of replacing those roofs becomes higher because of the variations, as which is something that the eventual homeowners
uh, association will need to contend with. And we all know homeowners association fees. We try to keep those down. Um and thinking about the homeowners eventually. Uh the other side is it makes it a a bit of a deterrence for solar. So if that's something that we want in our community, we might want
to make sure that we have uh roof lines that accommodate both an aesthetic as and and affordability as well as uh you know still being beautiful and variant. So like I said, comment, not a question. All right. Any other questions from the
board or its professionals? >> Uh, one decide just uh my comment going back to what I had said before. My only purpose in asking that question is say there is a uh for the next development that comes in whether it's from Tone Brothers or anybody else. I'm going to
be saying please make sure does not look like the previous development that that your development should look unique. Uh because it really should be unique. So just wanted to uh let you guys know that. >> I'm good. Uh just through you chair um
sing just clarify for me maybe it was covered the last board meeting I'm an associate cover um are you uh has your client um entered into an uh an RDA with the town >> I'm sorry >> there there is RDA yeah there believe
there is a redevelopment agreement with the town there yeah I'm certain there is a redevelopment agreement with the town that was admitted into uh evidence uh at the last hearing. Let me just uh
>> yeah, I'll just have to I just want to take a look then Mr. Casino to see if it covered because normally with this type of project uh if it weren't in a redevelopment zone, we would do a developers agreement to cover. >> You still may want to do a developer agreement because um the redevelopment
agreement really, you know, it's different uh yeah >> covers different terrain there. So, um if if um you may find that a uh a developers agreement is is appropriate here, uh I certainly would not argue
with that. Um I'm just thinking of that, uh Mr. Because you know, you do have a number of um physical plant items here. you know, the the you're you're doing it uh
toll would be doing uh the private trash hauling, the private snow removal. Um you know, we're going to want to make sure all those things are covered and uh as well as potentially talk about whether or not we have any title 39
issues. Uh but that would all be covered in developers agreement. We >> we had that as condition of approval. >> Yeah. So, so the redevelopment plan was introduced uh at the last meeting is uh A1.
The housing element is A2. It was amended plan is A3. I I'm pretty certain there is a redevelopment agreement. Uh but but we're going to need developers agreement anyway. And we would also agree, as I think I indicated the last meeting, that the applicant
will agree um to permit Title 39 applicability uh throughout the development, which I know Joe, you know this, but just for the benefit of the board means that uh that would give the township uh police department the ability to enforce uh
local speed limits, rules, regulations, uh ordinances, etc. Um that would be ultimately a policy decision for the governing body to make, but we'll stipulate that the applicant will agree to permit the governing body
to adopt Title 39 for this development if they so choose. >> Right. And just to cover one last point, you know, we're talking about uh the garage door uh differentiation with Mr. JRL. Uh that would be a condition of
approval subject to planner review. I agree to modify the garage door um facades um in in conjunction with >> make more visually appealing. >> That isly appealing. Yeah,
>> we could push that into resolution. You agree with me, right? >> Yes, 100%. >> I knew you would. That's why I set that >> 100%. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Mark it down. >> At this point, I believe we uh we need to allow the public to ask questions of the architect. Any members
of the general public have questions for the architect? Seeing none, I will close the questioning and turn it back over to Mr. Engles. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That's all I have for uh this evening. As I indicated, um I'm advised that the uh revised
um plans from the engineer will be submitted by Friday. So, we need 10 days from Friday. When your next meeting is April 20th or thereabouts. >> All right. Um, so we'd like to be carried to the next available date.
>> Uh, and at that meeting we would have additional testimony from your engineer as well. >> At that meeting? Yes. So we're we're done with the architect. We're done with the traffic consultant. We would have uh testimony from the engineer with regard to the revisions in the plans and then
very brief uh testimony from our planner with regard to the few deviations that are being requested. >> Okay. What dates do we have available? Well, my first question is, will there be enough time for you and the board
engineer to review these plans and produce a review? >> My preference always is to have a review done 10 days prior to a meeting. If they're having it here 10 days, that we run out of time. >> All right. So, then we're uh May 4th.
>> May the fourth. >> May the fourth be with you. Okay. >> May absolutely. I'll have somebody else here on May 4th because I'll be out of the country, but that's okay. >> All right. Well, enjoy your time. >> Thank you, >> Mr. You're You're If we're gonna do May
4th, I would just obviously will make you don't think there's going to be Well, you won't be here. Um, you definitely believe that your engineer and your planner will >> Oh, well, let me >> You're going to
>> cuz I think we want to try and bring this in for a landing. >> Yeah. I think I I guess I'd request this if if we could extend to April 20th. I think the plan changes were actually kind of minor. Um,
Ron, when you get the plan changes, if you feel that, you know, they're they're not minor, we can't make the 20th, then we can always carry on the 20th to May 4th. Um, I just that the plan modifications were kind of minor. We know that the planner uh and the
engineer can be here on the 20th. May may may maybe the engineer can, you know, put an extra couple of plugs in the computer and move it along maybe a little faster and get it out maybe a little sooner. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
>> I know. Uh, April 20th, I have a soil move application. >> Okay. >> I mean, that should 15 minutes or so. >> Yeah. I again I think that the >> well how much so >> the changes to the plans were not substantial as the board may recall but
Ron you'll make that judgment when you get them and >> we'll we'll take take a look at it with the engineering team and um you know again my my preference always in the end is to have a lot of lines through our comments that you know comment addressed because then at resolution compliance we
don't have to have it and plus the board would have a a plan that you know we've vetted and said it's pretty darn close to being technically technically accurate. >> Understood. So I guess our ask is to be carried to the 20th. If it looks like you know the planning work is going to
be or engineering review work is too much then we can always extend on the 20th too. >> Okay. So for the purposes through you chair through the purpose for the purposes of notice this is the notice this matter is being continued to the
April 20th uh board meeting date. Uh if uh for whatever reason this matter is not ready for the April 20th date, it may be moved to the May 4th date, but we will follow up with an announcement at the April 20th date. Should you not make
the April 20th date, there will not be a need to renotice. >> Correct. Thank you. And and that would be for 7:30 p.m. here in this room on uh Monday, April or >> April 20th. >> Monday, April 20th. >> 4:20, huh?
>> Yeah. Either either April 20th or May 4th. Both Monday nights. >> Okay. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what we're saying right now is that this application is being uh adjourned. >> It is journ. >> Okay. And so, uh, we'll go ahead and adjourn this application. Uh, and that
is the whole of our agenda for this meeting. So, I'll accept a, uh, um, somebody to close our meeting. >> Any fakers? >> To adjourn. >> Okay. >> Second. >> All right. Very good. >> Thank you all very much. >> All in favor?
>> I. >> Anyone opposed?