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We're on record. >> Okay. >> Minor site plan and subdivision committee of township of precipany Troy Hills, Monday, June 15th, 2026 at 7 p.m. Uh announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given

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and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104-6 at SEC of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Nora, would you call the role, please? >> Mr. Dich, here. Mr. Dinsmore, >> here. Miss Smith. >> Here. >> We have our board planner, Mr. Ryson.

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Our board engineer, Miss Kut, and um our board attorney, Mr. Wel. >> All right. If we stand for the pledge of allegiance, please. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, this meeting is open to the general public. If there's anybody here who wants to speak to the minor site plan subcommittee and something that's not on our agenda, please step forward. I would

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be surprised if anybody would ever do that. Um, so let's move along. We've got application number 25 col 513 Richard call 155 Everett Road block 238 lot 3

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minor subdivision. >> All right. Why don't we get on the record? Absolutely. Good evening. Paul Anderson, uh, for the applicant, licensed engineer, licensed planner, state of New Jersey. >> All right, Mr. Anderson, can you please state and can you please spell your

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name? >> Uh, Paul Anderson. A N D E R S O N. >> Okay. And uh, Mr. Anderson, why don't we get you sworn in? Do you swear for Intel truth for this subcommittee tonight? >> I do. >> Okay. Uh, you are a licensed engineer.

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>> Licensed engineer, licensed planner. >> Okay. >> License or current good standing. >> Okay. and uh uh education, >> bachelor of science and civil engineering, Clarkson University 1983, licensed New York and New Jersey in 1988

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and licensed as a planner by examination about 15 years ago. >> Okay. And uh all those licenses are up to date. >> They are >> uh chair I would uh submit to uh have Mr. Anderson qualified in the field of engineering as an expert.

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>> Anybody have any questions on his qualifications? Oh, hearing and seeing none, feel free move forward. Okay, Mr. >> Thank you. We're here for uh an application of 155 Everett Road. Uh tonight's an R4 zone, totally conforming

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uh minor subdivision. Uh we have shown on the plans homes that fit that that meet the minimum uh floor area requirement. We're not committed to those homes. There's no variances associated with either the subdivision or any house that we propose to put on

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the lot. Uh there's no other impediments in terms of wetlands flood plane or or highlands restriction uh associated with this application. So, we would looking for approval of the minor subdivision

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uh and acceptance of the the building envelope and homes that we show uh subject to the town's engineers review of uh plans before construction of the home so they can through storm water and other things that are associated with

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construction permits. >> Okay. And you've received um the um report uh from the board professionals. >> I have. >> Okay. And is there anything in that report uh that you will not be able to

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comply with? So the one thing that uh we would just like to point out is that we would be filing this minor subdivision with deeds with a deed. And so we would not be preparing a plan uh final ser uh final survey or subdivision plan with a

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licensed uh land surveyor. The licensed land surveyor would provide the descriptions and an attorney would prepare the deeds. They be filed by deed which is permitted with a minor subdivision. And would you agree as a condition of approval to have that deed

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submitted to my office as the board attorney for review before uh recording? >> Of course. >> Of course. >> Our mean to interrupt, but our departments prefer to have besides deeds the uh subdivision map of each property.

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>> Well, there's Yes, that's fine. We we can have the plan that I prepared for the subdivision. It shows where the lines are and and and all the dimensions, but it cannot be filed uh with as a as a filed map. I can't I that requires a licensed land surveyor to

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prepare an entirely different map. Probably taking everything I have here and putting it under his name. And that's all I'm trying to avoid. This map here can be kept as part of the record of the minor subdivision with with a description that goes along with it. the

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zoning department and the construction department and the engineering department use that plan to issue all the permits. It becomes the record and for the future to make sure that the setbacks are are noted. I noticed that Dan Cassiss assigned uh different block

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and lots than show on your plan. So the the the all the record the resolution and that should all be corrected to show the correct block and lots, right? >> The 3.0 and 3.2. So you're going to revise the plan and submit that to Nora to be signed so that all the departments

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have it. You're just not providing it to the county. >> That's correct. >> Okay. But you are providing it to nor revised. >> Yes. It'll be updated in accordance with the uh with the one exception is not by license land surveyor to the county >> but to the department to nor will get

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the updated correct >> because without the block and lots corrected you'll have difficulty submitting to my Let's go sign the correct one. >> Okay. >> Are you satisfied that with that, Jen? Understanding that they're not going to

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uh excuse me, Smith. Uh they're not going to um file the subdivision by uh plat or map. They're going to file it by deed for county recording purposes, but there will be an official subdivision map which will be part of the parcipony

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>> as long as no receives a copy that she can stamp and approve that the departments then see to be able to issue the permits with the correct block of >> and you have no problem with that being a condition of approval. >> Not all that's intended. >> I didn't think you would. >> No. >> Okay. >> Great. Just want to get a few things on

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the record. Yes. I'm assuming that once the lots are subdivided and you start construction that there'll be no violations of any of the setbacks, any of the any of the bulk requirements that you will fit within the building

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envelope of the brand new uh subdivided piece of land. so that there will be no encroachment as it were on our overall uh zoning requirements. >> That that is the intention that we have

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a conforming house. Uh I think the home fit fairly easily on this within the setbacks and meet all the zone requirements. >> Well, that's because you're not giving us a a picture of exactly what you're going to build,

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>> right? but he he will to zoning. So, I won't issue I'm also the zoning officer and the director. I won't issue your zoning permit for the two lots unless you come in with plot plans that depict the house, the driveway, the deck, the pool, the shed, whatever you're doing.

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And then my zoning permit will be issued and that'll be what goes on to construction. So, he won't be able to not meet the requirements because he wouldn't be able to build without it. So, yeah, we'll make sure. >> Right. So, I'm just sort of letting you know up up front. Jen is doing a better

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job of it of saying if you come in and say, "Hey, I'd like to make it a little closer to the neighbor." You can't, >> right? >> You know, >> you understand that, >> you know, or I want to make it further back or closer to the street. You can't. You got to you got to fit within all of the zoning requirements, the the

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coverage requirements, the uh setback requirements, everything has to be per the standards that the zone sets. We understand and accept that. >> Okay.

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Mr. Dich, do you have any questions? >> No, I'm good. Thank you. >> Just a couple questions. I apologize. I lost my voice over the weekend. Uh uh just confirming that there's no existing easements or any deed

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restrictions on the property as it stands. The survey did not reveal any deed restrictions or easements on the properties. >> Okay. Have you had any uh applications, letters of no interest or approvals by any other jurisdictions, the county planning board? We

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>> we have not made an application to any of the other agencies. We would have to obviously submit the subdivision plan or subdivision deeds to the county. We'll need when it goes to construction and control approval. Uh that would probably

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be for both lots and uh yeah so but we have not processed those as of yet. >> Thank you. >> Mr. Renderson, do you have >> No, just uh couple comments because this makes my letter quite easy as we

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indicated. This is on page six. They requested some site plan waiver uh checklist items. We had no objection. If the board has no objection to granting these uh for instance I'll just give uh they they ask for a Highlands exemption determination application and normally I

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do the Highlands exemption but since single family homes there's been a change that exemptions 1 three and five are no longer val applicable because the that they are Highlands has amended there to that say single family homes

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don't need to file for Highlands uh and Mr. Anderson, you're contemplating uh conforming single family homes eventually. Yes. So, um and the rest of them, we didn't I don't think LRA had any objections to these minor uh waiverss. Um and just on the comments

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and recommendations there, I have my boilerplate talks about positive negative criteria. We've heard testimony already. They're going to conform. So, that's been handled during testimony. um he's already indicated that he could do these minor changes that were my

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number two and three which I was just recommending that the existing conditions they don't exist anymore because they've knocked the home down. So I would just say I know originally when you filed the application the home was still there. >> Correct. So just you've already indicated you'll make those minor

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changes and then um you know just when we write not applicable for the minimum floor area I say it's a discrepancy but you've already put on the testimony that you're going to conform to all the items. So I'm fine with them saying we'll comply because they will have to go to the zoning officer at the time of

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filing and then she'll be able you know she'll she'll issue the zoning permit to make sure that they comply with all underlying zoning. And then number five is not applicable because really there are no variances. So they you know it would be a condition of approval but since there are none it's satisfied during testimony. So thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> Works for me. Any other questions or comments from the board or from the professionals? Any members of the public have any questions on this application at this time? Hearing and seeing none.

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>> Do you have anything further to add? That's our application. So, uh we you know if we would respectfully request approval of the minor subdivision and at this point any members of the public wish to uh object to this

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application at this time in support of this application hearing and seeing none this closes the evidentiary portion of tonight's hearing. Do I have a motion on this application? >> Mr. Chairman, a motion to approve

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application number 2513 HR Cole 155 A Road Block 238 lot 3 minor subdivision. >> Second Smith, >> do I have the list of conditions that uh

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>> with the uh condition that uh there will be um adherence to the what is it? Arthon Aron >> Ardon. Arthon Arthon. It was the easier one. DME um with the with the report with the understanding that uh the uh

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subdivision is going to be filed with the county by deed but a uh subdivision map will be provided to uh the township uh and that subdivision map will be updated and revised uh accordingly to have the corrected information. Both

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those will be conditions of approval. >> I'm assuming >> and uh that there will be strict adherence to the uh the map as provided without variance uh conditions on the ultimate homes.

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>> I'm assuming Mr. Dich and Miss Smith that that is what you approved. >> Agreed. Y >> of course. >> Nor would you call the role please? >> Dichmore. >> Yes. Smith. >> Yes. >> And the result is the passing. >> Thank you very much. >> Your application.

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>> Good luck. >> Good luck. Uh there anything else that needs to come before the minor site plan subcommittee? >> No. >> Giving me another chance of a few moments of glory as a chair. Motion to adjourn.

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>> So moved. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? Good. The minor site plan is adjourned and >> we're on record. >> All right. >> All right. Thank you, Nora.

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Uh today is June 15th. This is the meeting for the township of Paripony Troy Hills Planning Board. Um announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting is being given and that is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104-6 at SEC of the

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New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Norah, would you please call the role? >> Mr. Diddich >> here. >> Mr. Dinsmore >> here. >> Mr. Dpiro >> here. >> Mr. Patel >> here. >> Miss Smith >> here. >> Chairman Vonkin >> here. We have our board planner Mr. Ryson. Our board engineer Miss Kness and

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our board attorney Mr. Wel. >> All right. Thank you. Would everybody please rise for the pledge of allegiance? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. >> Okay, this meeting is open to the general public. However, just as a word of notation, anybody uh the public portion is now being opened up for anything that's not on our formal agenda. So, if there's anything on the agenda you'd like to discuss later,

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please hold your comments until that point. Uh with that said, if there's anybody who would like to speak on a member or on of an item not on the agenda, please come forward. All right. Seeing no one come forward, we'll close the public portion. Uh we

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have a few pieces of housekeeping. Uh, for starters, um, one of our members, Mr. Dominic Mey, um, had to provide his resignation. Mr. Mey provided service to the board for, I want to say, about 10 years or or potentially even longer. And

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I'd like to, um, ask for a uh, a resolution as to providing a proclamation from Mr. Mey um, for appreciation to his service on the board. Um, would anybody like to second that? I would absolutely love to second.

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I served with him the entire time that he was on the board and he was always involved with every case, always asked good questions, was a great service to the community. Thank you very much, Mr. Dinsmore. Uh,

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so we have a second. Uh, Nora, could we please take a vote on this? >> All in favor? >> That works for me. All in favor? >> I All right. Any opposed? No. Okay, thank you very much for that. Uh we now have two resolutions on the agenda. The

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first one is application 26503 Rucker building. This is a soil moving permit. Um would anybody like to make a motion on this resolution? >> Mr. Chairman, >> yes. Motion to approve resolution for application number 26 col503 Redkers

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Builders LLC Red Lane block 767 lot 7.3 measure soil moon permit. >> Do we have a second? >> Second Dmore. >> All right. Is there any deliberation? Any questions or comments? Seeing none, I will open it up for the vote. Nor

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>> did each Yes. >> Dinsore. >> Yes. >> Patel. Yes. >> Smith. >> Yes. >> Okay. Next resolution is for application 2521 Bricksmore. Um, do we have a motion? >> Can can we hold off on that because I

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think the mayor would like to uh say something about that application, mayor, before we >> call for a vote. >> Mayor has very good. Joining us is is our mayor. Uh, thank you for joining us, sir. >> Sure. >> All right. Uh we were just discussing

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application 25521 the bricksmore um asking for a resolution or approval >> of the resolution. >> All right. Um >> I I think the what Miss Smith was

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advising before chairman is that the mayor had uh wanted you were going to open up for comments by board members and obviously the mayor uh had a comment. >> Yeah. Uh one of my question was who's here from Bricksmore? Just so I can There you go. Oh, hello sir. How are

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you? Uh you had mentioned that you would be submitting a plan uh the driving plan for the trucks uh which would be contingent on the approval. I see that it is included in uh your application. Uh is that true?

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>> Well, we submitted Peter Wolfson of Dave Pittney here on behalf of Bricksmore. Excuse my casual attire. I was not expecting to appear tonight, but thank you for the time. Um, >> we submitted turning templates that were reviewed by your engineer that showed that all the truck movements in and out

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of the site and within the site were. We did agree as a condition that we would be providing additional size vehicles uh and that we would work with your professionals on that. So, yes, we will be doing additional work on >> Okay. Uh on that please keep in mind

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that uh my observation for the site was uh there are a couple of roads that you cannot make a left turn where it actually shows that you would be making a left turn. So those are the things that they would be accommodated for. Uh and some of the uh the uh intake into

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the complex and outtake is designed where you would have to flare up the actual road. So hopefully those should be part of the newly adjusted plans you would submit. >> We will do additional studies on that and work with your professionals. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you, mayor.

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>> Thank you. >> Can I ask a question? So if during that review, my question is for for us as the board, if we vote the resolution tonight and then we go to look at that review and we determine that the drive

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entrances and exits that we've reviewed need to be wider. Do we have any way to do that once we've already voted for it? Well, those those items uh unless they're of significant change, they

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would be things that would be dealt with in resolution compliance with your um with town planner, the board planner, uh board engineer, township engineer, and if there were any if it was a significant change, uh then the

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applicant may have to come back on an amended site plan. But if assuming it's uh something that's of not major consequence where there may be some movement of uh a drive aisle uh foot or

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widening a curb cut or something like that, those are things that are normally handled in uh in field changes and resolution of appliance. But obviously the applicant has received uh the um commentary by the mayor tonight uh the

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concern by the township and I would just ask uh Mr. Wolson on behalf of his client to convey that to his client about the concerns about that the mayor has as well as the township. >> Absolutely. Yeah. The the shopping center has uh operated successfully as

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you all know for many many years. Um, nothing about what we're proposing now, uh, as the testimony showed will change the the configuration or the circulation in and out and within the site. That said, we're going to do exactly what

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you've asked and we need to further studies and work with your professor. >> Okay. Good. >> Okay. Any other comments at this time? >> All right. With that, we'll open it up to a res or an approval of this resolution, >> Mr. Chairman,

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>> go ahead. Mr. Dich, >> a resolution for approval of application number 2521, bricksmore 3081, Route 46, block 411, lot 31.1, zone B-1, preliminary and final major

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site plan for parking improvements, landscaped islands, and interior changes. >> Do we have a second? >> Second more. >> All right, Nora, please call the role. >> Yes. >> Desai. >> Yes. Dinsore. >> Yes. >> Patel, >> yes. >> Smith, >> yes.

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>> All right. Very good. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, sir. All right. Our next item on the agenda is application 24525, NB Home Improvements. Is the applicant here? >> Please introduce yourself to the board.

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>> Yes. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, board members. Stephen Hail, representing the applicant, MB Holmes. All right. Very good. Uh, >> do we have a complete application? >> We do have a complete application. Um, it's noted in our,

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um, Ron Reinardson for the record. Um, we note that the application was deemed complete on April 22nd, 2026. That is on page one of our review letter. >> All right. And what waiverss have been requested?

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>> Okay. Well, that would be uh we have um they have requested waiverss starting on page 12. >> There were several of them, but I'm just going to say here that our recommendation is should this application be approved, we recommend

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that the items noted in the waiver request be provided as conditions of approval. Uh without going into all of these things, does Mr. Hail object to that? >> No, no problem. >> Okay. All right, then. Uh, can I have a motion from the board for ex approval of

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the waiverss? >> So moved. >> All right. Second more. >> Very good. All in favor? >> I I >> I. >> Any opposed? No. Okay. >> All right. Continuing on, sir. Why don't you uh

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>> uh by way of background? Yeah. And I firstly I'd like to thank your board professionals and Nora for getting us the reports well in advance of the hearing gives us an adequate opportunity to prepare. So like to like to thank you for that. That doesn't happen all all the time. >> No, we I surely appreciate that. Thank

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you. >> And uh yeah, this is an application for preliminary final subdivision approval. uh it is a conforming uh zone and also uh we're not going to be seeking any variances uh in connection with the application. Uh it is looking to

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property 101 uh Intervail Road and also 97 Intervail Road and looking to subdivide uh existing the existing lot 45 into six uh conforming lots with new homes being built on a number of those

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lots. there's going to be an existing home that will remain, but that's an overview of the application and uh we can have our engineer take us through the site uh sorry the subdivision plan and touch on uh all of the items that are in uh Ron and Larus's uh review

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letter and we did have the reports. >> So you'll be having an engineering witness, any other witnesses? >> We also have our uh traffic engineer and planner uh Jeff Jeff is here. Jeff Jiren's here who is our our uh engineer and then Joe Styer will be wearing uh

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his traffic hat. We did submit a traffic impact statement. He's also a professional planner as I indicated that the uh we're not seeking a variance relief. >> Okay. Very good. >> Okay. >> All right. Why don't we get started then? >> So I'd like to call upon Jeff.

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>> Do you swear for tell the truth for this planning board tonight? >> I do. >> Okay. Can you put do us the favor of uh sitting and then because you're very tall. Um and uh just be near the mic and just uh stating and spelling your name for the record. >> Sure.

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>> Jeff Egarian E G A R I A N. My business address is 271 Route 46 in Fairfield, New Jersey. I am a licensed professional engineer. My license is in good standing and I have testified um not before the plane board but before the zoning board in this town before and I'm also a

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longtime resident of this town. >> Okay. And Jeff uh your schooling just briefly >> NGIT class of 2006 uh licensed in 2012. >> Okay. And you're licensed in to practice uh engineering the field in the field of engineering in New Jersey is current up today. Correct.

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>> It is. Okay. Chairman, >> any members with questions about the qualifications? Okay, seeing none, >> I'm sorry. Come a little closer. If you start playing with the things, you're going to shut it off. >> All right. Uh, seeing no questions, uh, witness is acceptable.

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>> Great. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. All right. Uh, Mr. Jaring, obviously you've worked on this application for quite some time in this project. If you could take the board, the public, and board professionals through uh existing conditions and then what's proposed by way of the the subdivision.

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>> Okay, sure. Maybe I'll just take this and stand up and uh best place to put this. Can everybody see if I put the board here? >> Well, why don't we do this since there appears to be people here who are interested in the application. How should we how should we have that board

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place so that the people can see it as well. >> I'm thinking over there. However, I did bring in a few extra sets of the plans that we could also hand out if we had to. How about just past the podium? >> That corner. >> Just stand back there.

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>> I guess >> you'll have to move. >> I'll be right. >> She she she can see around the corner. >> I got a big set. >> I can go over by the doorway. >> Do you want you want to do is that going to be picked up by the camera is my question.

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>> Yeah, as long as it's not too far. I >> cuz I don't want I also don't want to lose the camera. >> I think we got it. >> Camera's not going to pick it up. >> Yes, I can see it. >> There we can see that clearly.

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>> Okay. Is that nor do you have that on the camera? >> Mhm. >> Okay. All right. This is why I didn't work at ABC. Okay. All right. So, over to you, Mr. Held. >> Okay. Uh And when you're referring to an

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exhibit, if it's do you want it marked anyway or if it's a matter of >> it's been submitted, we're not going to mark it as an exhibit. If you have something new, Mr. Held, then we'll mark >> then we can mark that. Just when you testify as to uh plan been submitted as noted, we're going to uh reference it,

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but make sure you refer to the date and the page of the plan. >> Okay. Absolutely. >> Just get into it. >> Sure. >> All right. Great. Um Okay. So, what we're proposing to do here, uh, we have a project. The address is 101 Entertell Road, block 429, lot 45 and lot 46. Um,

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what we're looking to do is have a, uh, preliminary major subdivision um, to facilitate the creation of seven new lots um, and box approval envelopes, uh, driveways, walkways um, for lots 45 and 46. I'll flip to sheet three, which

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should be our existing conditions plan. So, lot 40 45 uh is this larger tract right here, 3.182 acres, 138,000 square ft and change. Um it's currently it consists of a single

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family dwelling uh a large driveway some uh sheds and some other out uh out structures. And the other lot involved in this application is lot 46. This uh single family dwelling here again uh large driveway, detached garage, some

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outbound sheds and walkways and patios. Um what we're looking to do here um is um I'm sorry. Moving on, this talking about the frontage of these uh properties. So the the property has a frontage on this subdivision has a

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frontage on Innervil Road and Drexel Court which is the uh culdeac behind us. um topography of the land. It slopes uh away from Innovail Road um from north to south or you know east to west

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essentially towards Dxal Court with a change of elevation of approximately 20 ft from the Interbell Road uh rightway. Um the lot contains several mature trees and other various vegetation uh throughout the lot. And what we're going to be be doing on

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these on this property here is the the home on lot 45 will will remain. The outbound structures and driveway will be removed. The um structure on lot 46 um is being altered uh in its current condition. Uh that is part of a separate

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building uh permit application. Um and that project is already underway. But we would as part of the project um certain features of the site will be removed especially a lot of imperous area which is delineated by the hatching in the back. Some sheds and additional asphalt

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and gravel areas are going to be removed. Um and these X's throughout the property uh delineate the trees that are going to be removed as part of the project. Any questions on the existing conditions? Um are any of does any of

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this fall within steep slopes or is it >> Yes, there is a very um since we talked about it, let's just get right into that too. >> There is read my mind. >> Yep. >> So we go to steep slopes because this is kind of important for >> Yeah. potential variance. >> Correct. Okay. So let me just get to

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that to that sheet >> this slope map. Um given the size of the property and this this the steep slopes it is a very very small area. Um let's see which we are

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quite a bit of sheets on this. >> Sheet 13. >> Thank you. Okay steep slope map. So out of this entire tract of land, almost 4 acres,

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we have we are disturbing less than 1,000 square ft of steep slopes. Um on our proposed lot 45.6, there are some steep slopes adjacent to this waterway, which is essentially the top of the bank that those areas are located within the

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repairarium buffer. So those are not being disturbed. So the only steep slopes that we're disturbing are currently on our existing lot 45 which is adjacent to the existing dwelling where we are removing the large driveway. So these slopes have already

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been disturbed. Um and they were disturbed to create the lot to build the driveway. Um and now that we're modifying this lot and removing the driveway, those sto those steep slopes are going to be disturbed. Um on my table here you'll notice I do have the

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the areas delineated of the steep slopes and the the amount of steep uh steep slopes that we're disturbing. So the category in question is uh the category 15 to 19.9%. There's 1188 ft of steep slopes on the

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entire 3.1 acres and we're disturbing 540 ft of them. And then the other the other areas of the steep slopes combined um in the other two categories are 20 square ft and 55 ft uh below below 1,000

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ft. Okay. And just um just to clarify this going to our u page 14 of our review letter. It was comment number two where we talked about this the way the ordinance is written. I mean you you you

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calculated it cumulatively so we could not tell and I said let's resolve a discrepancy because the way the ordinance is written it's by basically in intended to be by lot. So it sounds like you're presenting that both of these areas are going to be less than

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1,000 square ft of slope area. And by looking at your exhibit these are clearly separated from each other. They're not contiguous. >> Correct. So if the board sees on this footnote number seven on the bottom of page 14 reads to how the whole ordinance

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is because the board has a discretion to and that's why we call this a potential variance. The board has a discretion that if they determine that it's not contiguous and it's isolated that that you know that that relief would not be required. So, you know, I'll defer to the board on that, but I mean to me

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looking at it clearly they are separate and I think the intent ordinance was contiguous slopes over a thousand square feet. >> Correct. I just want to go on the record with that and I'll defer to you chair on >> Okay. I guess that's something we should we should address at the moment. Um Mr.

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Wel, is there anything legally that we have to be aware of here? >> No, I think uh the port planner's comment is is accurate. Um there we we've when you face these steep slope issues I think you had them at a at a prior application you know where there's

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already been prior disturbance you know the point of the steep the point of any steep slope ordinance is to try to preserve what has not been disturbed a natural area uh so first of all you have an area which is been already touched

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and uh disturbed previously for the current resident on the site and uh you have the board planners comment that this is uh the areas that are being disturbed are not contiguous and are

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uh not uh relying upon each other. So I I don't see that this if the board planner doesn't see that this is a variance I agree with the board planner this is not a variance uh condition. No, I I certainly see Yeah, we have two non-ontinuous sections. One and one of

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those sections was was created uh effectively by the previous property owner. And so we we'd be um adjusting a previously disturbed section. And then the other section is the one around the drain pipe, uh which um which I guess is

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not is it's part of your um um your water return section. I'm sorry the words are it's it's of no value to the project at all. It's it just exists. That's it. This area is within a repairarian buffer. We can't disturb it. >> Yes.

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>> No, that's okay. Um and and so you're not making any modifications to that steep slope in any way. >> That's correct. Yes. This whole area is is is not being touched. >> All right. Um I'll open up to the board really quickly then if does anybody have any comments? uh which I I guess we're

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I'm leaning towards uh this not requiring any kind of uh a variance. Does anybody else have an a comment to share on this? >> Go with our our planners comments. Makes sense to me. >> Yeah. and and I'd say just the the the

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the uh engineer on airing on the side of caution cited this as as a variance and I said you know this is why we needed to talk this out here and understand the nuance between the two so um I I don't have any other comment on that so okay

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>> you know I just wanted to put on the record they did indicate that they need the variance all is anything else required Mr. No. Okay. >> Then uh I I believe we've concluded that no variance will be required for this. You can continue. >> All right. Excellent.

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>> Great. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. >> My apologies. >> You want to move on to >> Please. Thank you. >> 97. >> Yep. >> Discuss 97. Okay. Um so what we'll discuss quickly next is just quickly touch back to the existing conditions

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plan. Um, as part of this application also, um, we have lot 46, which is this single family home here, which again, I mentioned was part of a a separate building permit. Um, and I did bring that site plan

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that just you get uh just so the board can understand the changes that are going to be uh occurring on that lot. Um, again, fully conforming, no variances requested. Um and this there is a building permit for this project already, but we'll just go through it to just to uh so the board is aware. Um

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again, this is the existing conditions and removal plan for for um 97 Intervail. Again, what we're do what we're doing here is removing uh portions of the existing property, some impervious areas, some gravel areas, portions of the existing patio, uh portions of the existing driveway, and

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there will be a uh building addition mod alteration to the existing building. um and uh modifications to the driveway and a small uh rear yard patio. Um the zoning table itself is a little difficult to read, but as a result of this project, there will be a net

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decrease in impervious coverage. >> What page is that? >> This is this is not part of the plan set. This is a separate >> um building application which has already been permitted uh for the for lot number 97. I just brought it because it was brought up in the letter. >> Mr.

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Mr. held this with. Should we mark this exhibit uh A1 since this was not part of the packet? So, why don't we mark this as exhibit A1? Give it today's date. >> And um Jeff, why don't you just state briefly on the record what the title of

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that pages? This is a new residence grading plan for 97 Interville Road dated October 9th, 2025, last revised April 1st of 2026. Thank you. Okay. >> Thank you.

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>> And today's 15th, right? >> All day long. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um so again, fully conforming application, just a really what it comes down to is just uh a building addition and removal of a lot of impervious coverage. Again, a net decrease uh in

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impervious coverage as a result of the project at 97. Any questions on 97? >> Yes. Can I? So, I'm trying to remember the permit because I know I saw it. Um, were there any variances that were left once the removal was the driveway and

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the setback were I don't >> Yeah, there so there was a comment that there was a this this portion of the pro uh the driveway here it did extend beyond the property line and um as a result of that we we do have it modified in the proposed condition shows it to be

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conforming 11T wide driveway at the mouth um and it it is 5 ft from the property line which is the requirement >> and then there were no variances that lot once We issued the permit. I thought so. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Would there be any variances required

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after you make the subdivision and move the lot line? >> No. >> Not 46. >> No. No. So, essentially, um, you know, we can get right into that, too. The the lot width. Um, just getting right back into the subdivision plan.

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Sorry. >> That's what happens when you have 17 sheets of paper. closer to the addition. So the just touching real quick on what we're doing with lot 97. Um so the frontage along Interale Road for

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for lot 45 is 199 ft and uh 199.11 ft. Um the zone requires 200t frontage. We have uh approximately 102.9 ft frontage for lot 46. So, all we're

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doing with lot 46 is doing a very small lot line adjustment to take um enough room out of here to get two conforming lots for um you know for the for lot 45. Um so, no variances needed.

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>> So, what would the sideyard setback be from the new lot line to the new addition which isn't shown on the site plans >> for lot 46? >> Correct. 38.1 ft. >> That's to the new addition that's on the

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building plans that you >> Oh, no. I'm sorry. >> Yeah, we do not have that. We do not have that on the on this set of plans. That is something that we can provide. Um, >> that's the variance that I'm asking about if there is one or isn't one there. It's

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>> well it would be >> well I think for clarification >> right now I don't think that this is for the 97 intervail with the uh semi-demolished home. >> Mhm. >> I think maybe to go on the record my understanding is is that there was some

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demolition done that was stopped. Is there an interpretation that they would have if to rebuild that home they have to come back in and you know conform they would consider a new home? How how does that work? >> If if what's existing right now on that

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lot is it two walls? >> Do you know what's existing? Would you say >> I was just there today? It's uh >> So was I. >> Yeah, I guess we can call that two walls. >> Do you I don't recall only because I issue so many permits. Did Did you get a zoning permit for a new single family

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dwelling on that lot or did you get a permit for an addition? >> It's a new It's a permit for a new dwelling. >> We called it a new single family dwelling. So, if I issued a permit, that would have been made. It would have been a new single family dwelling and I would have made sure that it met all the requirements, but that's prior to me knowing that the the lot line was going

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to change. So, with the lot line now changing, it's still conforming. >> Correct. Yeah, cuz we're we're taking less than a foot. >> Oh, less than a foot. Yeah. Okay. And I think now we're on record that since there's no variances for that property that if anything is now in need of a variance, you'll have to come back for

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that. >> Yes, of course. Right. But again, we're taking less than a foot of um >> Yep. No, it sounds sounds like it'll be okay. Just want to make it clear for everyone. >> Okay. So, moving on. So, this is

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on sheet four. Um this is this is the proposed subdivision plan. Um so again um old lot 45 is now be turned into two um two new lots conforming lots of 15,000 ft or more with with the required

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frontage. And then the new lot uh 46.0 um before was 102.91. Now the lot frontage is 102.06. Uh that's all we needed to take to have the conforming lot 45.1. And then we have the four additional lots um for the subdivision

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in the rear uh with access from Drexel Court. Um and then the large lot of 45.6 which is essentially going to be our uh storm water management system. And then these dark um hashing indicates

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our proposed easements for the for the project. >> Any questions on the subdivision? >> Could um maybe you'll get to this later. What what are the easements for? >> Oh, uh this is just utility ement for water uh and utilities. These along the

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property line here is for storm water. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we'll touch on that on the utility plan. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um so >> before you go on, I'm just going to make one note cuz I'm looking at our letter and we can go over I think you'll agree to all the conditions. I mean, but the

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planning comments on page 14, I note one on uh comment six, we talk about RSIS. I just want to go on the record. It's also addressed on comment 13 on comment three on page 19 in the traffic comments. I don't like

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overlap. So I'm going to defer to the engineer on that because RSIS is addressed by uh Mr. Chen's comments. So we can incorporate that. So there's no there's no overlap at that point. I'm just going to just refer to that and if they gets approved a resolution

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compliance see that particular comment. It's okay. I have nothing else to say on that. Thank you. >> Okay, great. Um, so I'll move on to sheet five, which is our proposed subdivision plot plan. Um, so what we

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have here, uh, depicted are the proposed lots of, topography of the property, and our box houses that we, uh, that we've developed to show the board what, um, what the subdivision and new homes would look like. Again, lot 40, old, lot 45, which is now 45.2, to the existing home

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is to remain. The entire driveway was removed. We have a singular driveway um accessing the property. The front walkways are to remain. All the outbound buildings that were there previously are removed. Lot 45.1 again a conforming lot with frontages um and a conforming

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structure. This is what a new home would look like fronting on Intervale and lot 97 the existing home to rem which is to remain and those modifications uh we just went through with the with that site plan. um three additional homes um

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via access from Drexler Court uh lot 45.5 45.4 and 45.3 um again all depicted to be conforming and lastly lot 45.6 six a large lot this hatched area just represents our uh

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complex storm water management system that we designed. Again, there's street trees um proposed all around the culdesac concrete sidewalk um lighting um and uh we have two light poles uh located here and here. We'll get into

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that a little bit later as well. Um and yeah, per overall plot plan and picture there we have it. We have a 20ft easement um between lot 45.1 and lot 46. Again, that's that's uh developed to

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bring the utilities from Innerbell Road down into uh to the Drexler Road Culac extension. And then um these dark boxes inside of the easement here represent catch basins um to route the storm water from our property, our project and from

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the adjacent properties. We there is some overland flow uh that does uh enter our property from the adjacent lots and again with the grading plan these the these catch basins are designed to to capture their their water as well and it will be routed into our storm water management system.

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So, uh, just for clarification on that, um, adding impervious space would obviously create, um, some additional water runoff to the surrounding properties. And what you're doing is creating a system which would capture that additional runoff so that it

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doesn't create any additional runoff to surrounding properties. >> That's correct. As well as accounting for off-site flow coming out to our property as well. >> Okay. >> From those. So, not impacting neighbors properties is what I'm hearing here. >> That's correct. Yes. And even the

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existing homes um on 97 and 101, those roof leaders, those driveways were proposing uh trench drains and all the roof leaders themselves will be tied in to that system as well, but today they're they're not. >> All right. The next question is usually

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how's the maintenance on that system maintained? There will be um a maintenance manual uh and obviously there there will be somebody responsible an agent responsible for maintaining the system. >> All right. So that wouldn't be the responsibility of the property owner or would >> there Well, I think that's a little bit

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above >> Oh, okay. All right. >> But we will record the storm order maintenance. >> Right. So normally when you have uh a development where there is going to be um I'm assuming, Mr. held. This is one

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lot that's being held aside for this uh storm water management. Um that that storm water management would be done by way of a a mutual agreement among the homeowners that they're responsible for

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it and uh in other places. Um, normally what we have is uh an approval of that agreement by my office and an understanding that uh this is not to be maintained by the township. Township is not taking uh this responsibility on.

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But should the township have to take it on that there would be an acknowledgement in that agreement that the uh township will be reimburseable for those expenses because obviously the township is responsible to health, safety, welfare of the community. And I'm sure you've seen these many times

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before, Mr. Held. >> Yes. >> Not casting any expersions, but >> he's picking on me. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, so again, that's the proposed subdivision plot plan. Uh, we'll move on

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to uh the utility plan. So, uh, you can see on the plan here, we we depict the sanitary sewer line uh on Draxel. Uh we also show the storm the existing storm cache basins on Drexal and the electric um water extension will

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be run down uh through Drexel into the um new Drexal culdeac extension. Uh water sewer and gas we will be bringing water from uh Intervail through the easement here um into the street uh as well. Um, again,

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water, sewer, gas, everything operates perfectly as far as slopes and in size and um and in getting utilities to these new homes. Um, the storm water management system. Uh, we can quickly touch on that since it is like a big

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ticket item. So like I said it, you know, the plant does get a little bit busy, but you know, we are proposing a trench drain along these driveways because all the water, you know, like I mentioned before, the topography slopes away from Anvil towards the back. So um these these driveways do come down from

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the road. Um we are proposing trench drains and cash basins here. These these will all be connected to our system. Uh the roof leaders are also detected to be connected to these cache basins. So the strategy is the water is going to flow into these cache basins. cache basins all the way around be be routed all the

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way across our new street into our uh our detention system. And in here we have a four bay and this for bay again will capture the water. Uh it'll route it into a small scale bio retention system uh size for a specific year storm. Um and then when the heavier

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rains come um it'll overflow this this box into a weir and then they'll that'll end up in our large scale uh bio retention system here. Um water will sit there and then it'll be routed through a series of orphice and we uh through manhole back into the street and then

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and then discharged back into uh the city sewer at a rate significantly less than what saw previously. Um and that's all outlined in our storm water management report with the calculations and hydraulics to support that. Any questions on utilities?

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Sorry, I was just going to check on what our sewer department said about that. And so I that's all I'm looking at right now. Um if you want to cut me off and because you already know what's on there, that's that's okay, too. >> Yeah, we did not receive any comments or

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um anything that was alarming. >> Okay. >> That that was not um something that we could do there. mostly on just want to make sure that the amount of water that's going into the system is >> capable of being handled by that system. >> Of course. >> Okay. >> Um so moving on to the grading plan. Um

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these dark contours with the with the uh numbers and boxes indicate our proposed contours uh for the property. um if you went and walked the site um for some reason, you know, it always seems that way that the the contours um on the

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paper don't really match what's out there in real life. It seems it was in reality it's much more level and flat than than was depicted on these plans. But again, we're we're modifying the the lots in the front obviously removing the driveways and and creating a new

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driveway for lot 45.2. Um, so there is a little bit of grading in order to get this uh driveway in uh the way it needed to be. As you recall, there was the this was the lot that did contain those steep sloped areas. So this is where a bulk of the grading is going to occur. Um, not

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significantly changing grades at all. Our new lot 45.1. Again, the idea is to just have as gentle a slope as possible. We're pushing the water uh down towards the jal core extension where it is going to um be picked up by a series of

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swells. So these big thick lines here indicate swells. So that's in order to ensure that you know the water that so doesn't flow overland end up in the street sheet flow down and get into the city sewer right away. The the intent is to have the water flow across the

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property get get routed by these swells and then captured and routed into our system. And again we have a swell here cash basin here. So the idea is to take all this water um and not push it off any adjacent properties or push onto the street where it'll just sheep flow away

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but again uh push it towards the proposed cash basins that were uh we have around the property and then again it's going to get routed and and detained into our system again creating a better condition than was there today. Any

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questions on this part of the testimony? >> Okay. >> Do you have a question? >> No. >> No. Okay. >> Actually, just one >> and Mr. Hail will chime in on this too. Drexel Court, that's a publicly that's a

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public street, correct? It's not a privately. It It's correct. It's publicly mapped. It just this may come up later on because this is just a lot of times it's controversial when you extend something that's a culdeac, but this is a publicly mapped street. >> Yeah.

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>> Uh you know, so this is an extension of a publicly mapped street. There's no you didn't have to get any permission to go through an HOA or something like that for Drexel. >> Correct. >> Um it just I graduated in 93

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uh from long time ago. So the thing was that was one of the one of the things that came up in my graduate school years about culde-sacs upon culde-sacs. Now there's really you're unless there was some kind of condition of approval when Drexal Court was built there's really not much you can say either way. That's

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why I want to put it on the record. >> They're extending our public street. It's not like there's some >> you know HOA was ruling on that. So >> exactly. >> All right. I just you know I have to put that for the record. >> Thank you. >> Just building off that. Oh, go ahead Mr. So just follow up on that. So not from

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an HOA but wouldn't there be any permission from you know >> I don't know the town >> tan or street or somebody right here. >> Well what is the intention maybe the testimony is what is the intention to dedicate this this extension to you know or are you going to maintain it

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separately I mean that that becomes a maintenance issue. >> No we dedicate >> you're going to dedicate it. So then the township would be responsible for >> we'll take ownership of that >> that piece of extension. Yeah. >> Mhm. Yeah, that would not be held by an HOA or anything. This would be

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>> this would be dedicated and it would become part of the the city map and I mean the township map, >> right? And uh the alignment is roughly 200 ft long. So not a very big extension either. >> When you mentioned HOA, are the other

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homes going to be part of the HOA when you once the lots are subdivided? >> I don't think that's we're going to leave that. That's not really an engineering question. I believe >> Yeah. Sorry to mention HOA. It was It was just an example. I wanted to make

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sure to clear that there's no HOA above Drexal Court. >> We'll let them testify to that later on. So, my apologies, mayor, on that. >> No problem. No problem at all. >> Okay. Um Okay. So, moving on. Um and this is kind of getting into the

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weeds and sort of the boring stuff. Talk about drainage areas. >> That's what we're here for. >> Okay. Well, I mean again this is just um you these these are just requirements that we were working with with the previous engineer. Um they had asked us to you know delineate bunch of drainage areas and catchment areas that supported

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our our drainage maps. Um these hexagon boxes they correlate to um the the comprehensive reports that we've uh prepared over the past year or so. Um again all we're doing is giving it areas we have size slope um you know the

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material the um the ground cover and we're generating flows um and in you know quantifying all those areas which again backs into our storm water management design um and the same thing here this is our proposed drainage map again all these catchment areas you can

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see like um square footage and our time of concentrations again this all correlates to our storm water uh management plan and helps you know in supports the design of the detention basin itself. And again just roadway profiles

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um you know sections and profiles >> when do sheet >> yes that is uh sheet 10 is just again uh just go to the profiles the dash line the dash line in the in the um sections here indicate the existing grades the

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solid lines indicate the proposed grades obviously fill um when we're above the line and we're cutting when we're below the line and that's all quantified to in our cutfield calculations that we've provided as well. Um here we end up with our lighting

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plan. Um what I'll say about the lighting plan is you know we are proposing two light poles. Um again but I did read the engineer's comments on that. So this is something that we will take another look at. Um don't really want to talk testify too much about this because this plan will change. We are going to go down to

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one poll. I understand that JCPNL has a handbook. Um and then obviously whatever light pole we specify next and we get to laying illuminance and contours and foot handles it'll be uh something that JCPNL approves and then again will be in

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conformance with RSIS >> and >> before you move on uh so there's currently no lighting on Drexal Court is that correct? >> Outdoor lighting you mean street lighting? >> Street lights correct. Um,

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>> yeah, I I can't answer that question. I don't know if there's anything existing beyond what we're uh beyond our our extension here. >> Just curious the the board's opinion on on adding lighting to an unlit area if

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that's something the township is generally in favor of or not in favor of. Let let me let me ask this question. So, um, your current plan proposes

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street lighting on what I'll call the Drexal Court extension. Where can you, Jeff, can you go to the plan where it shows where the where you have marked street lighting? >> Is that is that on there? It's just far away from you, so I can't really see it. >> Yeah.

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just refer. >> We have a lightage. We have a late. >> Yeah. Which page is that, Jeff? >> This is page I'm sorry, page five. >> Okay. >> So, >> I'm sorry, Jeff. You were saying >> we have a We're proposing a light here

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and a light um just lost it. Right here. >> Right here. >> So, the your proposed plan showed two street lights, correct? >> Okay. Now, one of those lights is near the storm water uh management area.

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>> Correct. This one right here. >> Is it your testimony that that light >> needs to exist or is just there extra uh relative to the storm water management? Is there is there some connection between the street light and that? >> Nope. That could be relocated as as seen

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fit. >> Okay. So, and and then the other street light appears to be what I'll say is that to be fair to the bottom of the Drexal Court extension. Uh any basis for why it's there, Jeff?

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>> No, not at all. We worked with a lighting vendor. Um and that just seemed logical at the time. Again, really with when it comes to lighting with shield with with shielding, we could put a light anywhere and make it work. Can I ask? So, you're proposing lighting on the street where the there's

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no lighting right now that is existing and the only reason why you're proposing it is because it's in our ordinance that subdivisions require lighting. Correct. >> So, instead of asking for the a waiver or variance to not put the lighting, we're only going to put lighting on

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those couple houses and the rest of the street's going to be in dark. >> I I get it. I'm the zoning officer. I know we have ordinances. It's not one of my ordinances, but I just want the board members to understand that you're the plan is showing lighting for just those

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few houses if we approve this application. Meanwhile, the rest of the street is not lit. Do we want to put lighting for a few houses to shine when the rest of the neighborhood has not requested any lighting on their street? >> I'd like to hear from the residents if they want lighting down the street.

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>> Well, but not right now. We'll open it up for a comment. Yeah, that's right. >> No, I think Mr. Dpierro uh obviously brings up a good point. I mean, my concern was whether or not you had placed the street lighting there in your

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expert opinion as an engineer that the street lighting had to be there for some type of safety or engineering purpose. That's not the case. You're trying to comply with the ordinance, correct? Which is what Mr. Held does very good

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work at. So um the the open issue which we'll put a pin in at this point chairman base bombs or DPRO's input is um we'll save that and we'll let we'll see we appear to have a couple members of the public here. Maybe they'll have

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something to say. >> Sure. Of course. >> Yeah, no problem. >> Okay. Um and I think really after that um as far as the lighting goes I mean that really covers the bulk of the project. Um you know again sheet 12

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we have some site distance information that was you know more engineering related. Um sheet 13 is a slope plan which we've already discussed. Sheet 14 is our soil erosion and sediment control plan. And then we just get into our

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construction details. So 15 through7 are construction details. >> And um I don't know if you you said this already, you have the review of um Arthanon, >> correct?

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>> Going to work on that, right? >> Arthon aron. Okay. >> Stress on the art. >> Yeah. Well, um you have that report, right? >> I do. >> Okay. Um Mr. Hell, do you want to address that report now or

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>> uh >> I think we covered >> um almost all of them. Jeff, I know we when we went through and prepared this uh there were items where testimony was requested. Do you want to touch on on those? >> Uh sure. >> And and I think Mr. H it's probably

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mostly going to be engineering >> because just to go on the record, not that I don't want to talk tonight. Um the planning comments now that there's not a a variance relief requested. It's really that item one there's you know that your planner will testify to it,

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but that's testimony. >> Item two, we've already resolved about the steep slope. I'm on page 14. So, >> I'm sorry. Which >> item three is a minor thing because you're saying uh maximum gross area. It's just a typo. Fix the minimum gross area. Um you've already agreed to

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provide items not provided. You've said you comply with that. That's item four. And then, you know, we're recommending that you remove lotront to just number five because it's not a standard. I mean, that's just we recommend it doesn't have to be done, but it's kind of it it's confusing.

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>> I understand. And then um the comment six I've already said RSIS is is is a duplicate of what we more thorough comment on item on page 19 comment three under traffic. So I'll defer to that. And number seven is my stock comment in

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case it's approved. We recommend the plans be modified to site all variance is determined during the hearing. As of right now we haven't determined any. So again that would be you know probably not applicable. And that's all I had on the planning side. So the rest of them were our engineer over there.

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>> So we'll turn to our engineer at this point. >> Okay. Great. >> So um existing or previously existing house number 97 on Intervail has granite block curb along the frontage of the roadway. Is that proposed to remain? And

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are you looking to extend that granite block curb uh through the other two lots there on Intervail? you know, we we're not proposing it, but again, if if the if that is a condition that the board wants, it's obviously something we're we're willing to be good

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neighbors and and conform to. >> Sorry, what was the question? So, wait, wait. You talking about the type of you're talking about type of curbing? >> Currently, there's no curb being proposed along Intervail existing lot 46. So that's house number 97 uh that's

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being rebuilt has curb in front of it. The lots adjacent to it don't have curbing. >> I was wondering if any was being proposed or if any is being requested by >> my curiosity. What page is that on? Site plan comments. >> Yeah. >> Page 15.

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>> Comment number three on page 15. >> Number two. So I I think I think the the the default by the township uh would be in preference of curbing. So

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I think you indicated before uh that uh that uh curbing would be added along uh intervail as a condition of approval. >> Is that correct, Mr. Hell? >> Yeah. And no problem with that. >> All right. Staying on curbing, uh,

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Drexel Court is currently, uh, concrete, I believe, and the extension is going to be granite block. Is there a reason for choosing to make the change? >> Nope. We can keep it consistent and and make it concrete.

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>> I think once again, the township likes consistency. >> Yeah. >> So, we don't object. So there's no if it were to be approved so that there's not any discernable difference between those. >> Yeah. Let let's make that a condition.

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>> Absolutely. Sure. >> No problem. Uh there was a previous review letter from GPI dated March 11th um that had suggested putting in a turnaround at the

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two driveways being proposed on Intervail. Is there a reason why one may or may not be required or designed in that area? >> Yeah. So originally we had we did have a turnaround for the proposed lot 45.1

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but what we needed to do essentially when we put this easement in uh we do need to construct a small retaining wall here which did not permit us to put um again the the driveway returned for turnaround and also the driveway would

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have been inside of the easement um you know and then we drove through the the neighborhood of the properties surrounding and um most of the properties don't have turnarounds themselves. They just back directly out onto Intervail. I did it today. Um

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I mean obviously a turnaround would be great but um keeping the coverage down and it is a doable maneuver. Um that's why proposed lot 45.1 um does not have it but lot 45.2 does have a uh a bump out at the end of the driveway to allow for a front-facing

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exit on intervail. Um, we have quite a few drainage comments. I'm not going to go through them all. >> Yeah, we can. >> Any issues with complying with those comments. No, >> a lot of it's request for additional information, that type of thing. >> Yep. We can we can get all that to you.

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>> Okay. Um, the plans indicate the name Nar Court on this culde-sac. Is this going to be a different road branched off of Drexal Court or what is what is the proposed naming convention there?

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>> I think that that's a question that I'm not going to I'm not going to answer as far as the naming goes. Um >> Oh, it's on the it's on the cover of your plan. >> Yeah, I know. I think I think it was just the name of the project. >> Okay. >> So, not the name of the street. Okay. >> Um

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>> but again, consistency. Um I don't think we're anybody's married to that name. Um you know >> uh the I know that you're not uh showing

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homes per se and looking for approval for homes. This is boxes. >> Is it envisioned that there would be uh garages for these or is it just driveways? >> Uh no. The H house will have a minimum two-car garage uh with parking inside

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and then additional parking inside the driveway area. Um and again, like you know, we're calling these boxes, but you know, we do have an architect on the project. These are probably almost pretty much what's going to be here. >> They look pretty fleshy. >> Yeah. >> Um

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what what impacts are you anticipating to the repairarian zone that's along the existing drainage area? >> Um none at all. We, you know, we do have, we did have PK Environmental give us a report. Um, you know, this dash line here indicates

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the repairing buffer. You know, we are super close here. Um, >> it looked like the retaining wall and the fence are are >> Yeah, they're they're right on. I mean, they're right there. Um, >> and you don't feel that there will be any disturbance during construction of

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those elements? You know, again, it's one of these things where we'll we'll we'll have it staked out by a surveyor when it is when it comes time to construction and we'll make sure that it's it's fenced and protected, but the obviously the intent is not to disturb anything inside of that repairing buffer and we took a lot of time and care to

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put this whole thing together to avoid that. Okay. >> Uh have you made application to the planning to the county planning board? >> Um not as yet. We want to wait and see if there were any modifications here. Certainly, that's a condition of

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approval. >> Okay. Yeah. I I think that was one of our waiver comments and I think they agreed to make that a condition of approval that we get the Monmouth count monmouth. Listen to me. Morris >> little north. >> Ah, yeah. A little far or north. So, count let's just say county. How about

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that? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. At this time, uh any questions from the board members? anything we haven't covered yet? All right, seeing none, I'll open it up

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to uh questions from the uh from the public. Uh let me just preface uh the way that we normally handle these is there's a question segment where you can ask questions about anything of the engineer. If you have a specific comment that you'd like to make that be more

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specific to what Mr. DPro asked about uh you could you could offer that after we cover the questions if that is suitable to everybody. So with that said uh please come forward uh give your name uh name and address. Is that correct? >> Yes.

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>> Okay. In order to Yes, that'll be fine. >> Thank you. My name is Ed Amaduchi. I live at 12 Alpine Road. Um >> would you spell your last name? A M A >> D U C C I. >> Thank you. >> You You'll just want to Sir, you'll just

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want to be conscious about talking into the mic. >> Yeah, you're fine, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> 12 Alpine Road is also um lot 38.01 on your map. Um we have a common line

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with the new proposed lot 45.4. >> Okay. >> Yes, sir. Yep. Right here. I notice on the demolition uh plan you indicated um in the top right as I'm facing it now uh elimination of the existing chain link fence on the property, right? The

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comments up there. >> Yes, sir. >> Um is the fence between my lot and uh proposed 45.4 coming down or is that remaining?

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whatever fence is on our property. Um either if it if it isn't our fence, it's going to be re relocated to the property line, but if it is a fence that's on this specific property, it's going to be removed as part of the as part of the construction.

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>> Okay. I don't know if it's appropriate, but um my father installed that fence 40 years ago, and each pipe has a substantial concrete and stone foundation to it. Whoever method is used to remove them is going to destroy the

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adjacent garden that we have planted all along that fence line. Um my thought would be if I could work with the contractor to perhaps cut the pipes off at ground level or below ground level instead of removing them with the machine that would be a great solution. >> I don't think that would be a problem at

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all. >> So can I ask is the is the fence on your property or is on their property? >> On the 101 Interbell Road property. Mr. Held, I think uh maybe your office >> happy to talk to him. >> Yeah, I think I think if your office

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could interface with Mr. Amaduchi too going forward. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Take a seat. >> Brian Bellows, eight trucks court 12. Um

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>> Mr. Bellowos just uh B E L O WS. >> That's correct. >> Go ahead, Mr. Bellows. I'm sorry. >> Um prior to NB filing to uh do a development, there was another contractor that looked at the

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property and they filed with the D an application to see where that uh stream is. Does it fall within the wetlands? Was this ever filed? I have the exit from you >> the prior.

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>> Okay. So, so your question is >> filed with the pig because that is a stream that goes from mountain lakes cuts along um lot 46.

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uh part of your steep slope area is also part of the stream. And then it goes into uh concrete sewer pipes that were put in probably close to 30 years ago to enclose the stream. The stream comes out

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on my property goes through and this is an oversimplification of the area and that's why there are a lot of questions regarding storm water management and practices associated with it. Um that stream goes through my property

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through my neighbor's property, the Patels, and then combines with another stream which goes through the ballpark area into the pond in the back. And some of those areas are prone to flooding. >> Okay. So, >> the application for the wetlands was one

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of the questions that had been done in the past when people had sought to develop the property. I did not see one here. Well, we had a report prepared by uh environmental company. Uh it's been submitted to the board. Um you know, in

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their evaluation, >> I will have to check to see. I do I will have to check. I can't say 100% certain, but you know, their report uh dated July 2nd of this year, 20 I'm sorry, 2025. Um it says um completed a flood hazard

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area FHA assessment to identify the on-site limits of NJP regulated state open waters S so and flood hazard area FHA in the immediate vicinity of the 3.296 acre property on Inville Road. Uh residential property consists of of an

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existing single family dwelling. I'm just going to skip towards the important parts here. Uh there is a small partially piped stream uh state open waters that bisects the northeast portion of the property which is tributary to the Troy brook where its surface water quality designation is

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freshwater to non-trout. Significantly, the NJP regulates a 50ft repairarian zone adjacent to the state open water but not where the water course is within a pipe or culvert and as depicted on the grading plan. U that's the the buffer area that we discussed earlier. Um, in

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addition, according to the USGS stream stats calculations, the contributing drainage area at this property is 32 acres and as such, there is no NJDP regulated flood hazard area or flood plane where the contributing drainage area is less than 50 acres. So their

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conclusion, all proposed improvements depicted on this grading plan will be located beyond any regulated NJDP flood hazard area or repairarian zone and therefore no New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection FHA permit will be required.

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>> So they did not file an application to determine >> is what you're telling me. >> I'm telling you that they did an evaluation and the >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Sir, you have to when you ask the question, you got to it's like ping pong. We got to ask the question, let let them finish and then

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follow up. Okay. >> Sure. So, their evaluations determined that, you know, anything under anything less than 50 acres had is not regulated. And they determined that 32 acres was the drainage area for this brook. >> Okay. But you're putting all this other

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stuff right along with this stream, too. >> I understand that, but we're not doing anything with anarian zone or a buffer. You couldn't answer that before when they asked how close it was to that zone. >> I believe I did answer that question. >> No, he answered that question >> that it's greater than 50 ft.

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>> See that uh the application gets filed with the D. >> Well, it's either either it is regulated by the D or it is not. I don't know what was what was done before. I don't know what the circumstances were, but

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normally when when you have an application, uh, one of the things that that that that's done is determination of whether or not what uh again, I always butcher his name, um, uh, was stating is that

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they have an environmental uh, expert report which indicates, and Mr. health can speak to this more eloquently than I can, but which indicates that as long as they're not in essence, as long as they're not intruding into the repairarian

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zone area that there is no application necessary to DP. Mr. H, can you can you give some color on that to the gentleman? He's concerned about it. So again, that's why we we did have our environmental expert evaluate it and make that determination so that we were

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able to design the the storm water system. >> When when you talk about storm water management, >> Mr. Bellows, you just got to get close to the mic. I'm sorry. >> When you talk about storm water management, you're experts and such. Uh common storm water practice is to cover soil piles.

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>> Is that not correct? >> I'm not the one you want to ask. Is covering soil piles a standard practice with storm water management? >> You mean exposed soil piles? >> Yes. >> Yeah. You're It's typically surrounded by sil fence >> and other erosion measures.

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>> The soil piles that are at lot 46 that have been like this since December. Any reason why they've never been covered? >> That's something that I cannot speak to. >> Right. But we're talking about professionals here and doing things

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right. And you see my property is right next to all of this. I mean, I get flooding at the end of my driveway every storm. Can you show on uh one of the things the nearest storm drain to my

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driveway knowing that all the water slopes down from that property? And can you show me where my house is on there? You're lot 12, right? >> Yeah. >> This is you here. >> Yeah. Okay. So, how far away is a near storm drain >> from me?

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>> Your the existing storm drain is address is >> right >> right there. >> Okay. So, I have flooding at my driveway and all the water is going to be running downhill from your new proposed port into my driveway. >> Well, I did testify to say that our this

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plan will be a net benefit on storm water than what's there today. If I have roads and >> okay these are these are these are these are questions >> yes that part of it is >> well but it's argument >> roads when you add roads and impervious

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surface water runs down there are no drains there >> I already have flooding >> okay so we have to we have to have questions >> so let me let me >> how how are we going to assure that the flooding is not going to worsen in the area we don't know who's going to be

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maint maintaining this system. It's kind of its own lot. It's all separated. I I mean, I have a lot of issues with the way the lot is set up and the fact that they're not maintaining it at all. >> Well, let me let me let me let me

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separate out about the the the current maintenance of the lot, >> right? The current maintenance of lot is not what's before the board currently. However, if there are any um issues with uh property maintenance of that lot,

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that's handled by code enforcement. That's something that is done completely separate from this board's jurisdiction. So, if there's any issues with the site currently, those should be brought up by you directly to property maintenance. Now with regard to uh you did have a

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question which was about how can how can they be assured uh and especially this gentleman who's right next to the storm water management system uh how can he be assured that the flooding which currently occurs at the

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at the bottom of your driveway as you go on to Drexal Court how can that be in essence the gentleman's question is how can that be different in the future with this and not worse than it already is. >> Okay, >> Jeff, if you could touch on that. And

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plus again, a storm water management plan was prepared and reviewed by board professionals in addition to the applicant, but I'll let uh Mr. Jerry expand on that. >> Right. So, you know, just real quickly

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on that, um you know, we are we are obviously proposing a new roadway. Um like I mentioned before about 200 linear feet of new asphalt roadway. Um and the road will be crowned so it will push water to the left and to the right towards the curb lines. We're proposing

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two cache basins right before um you know the property line. So all the water is going to she flow down the curb line and then get intercepted by these two cash basins. It's getting it's then going to get routed into our storm water system. So

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your property No, what? Go ahead. >> The storm basin that you're talking about, are those going into the stream? >> Nothing is going into the stream. >> Okay. >> Nothing is discharging into the stream. >> Storm water basins on Drexel Court go directly into the stream.

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>> They they go into our basin. >> Nothing is being discharged into the stream. >> That's closest to my house. Point to it. >> This one? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> That goes into the stream. That I don't believe that goes into a stream. That goes into an a sanitary

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>> That doesn't go into a sanitary sewer. >> That would have to be reviewed by the township engineer. You're asking the engineer and planner who reviews the project. The current township engineer. Nothing should Nothing should be going to the stream. >> I'm confused because that's not part of

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the application. That's part of your block. their their their application is so high. >> That's why I'm asking about the ones that are just slightly upstream. >> Where are those going to? Are those getting pumped up into their basin? Because there's a slope issue there.

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>> No, sir. Sir, testimony was provided uh that all of the water in the extension was going into their basin system. >> Okay. >> Was it getting up the basin? No, it it flows down into the basin because all the rest of the property is above the

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level of the basin. >> I'm sorry, I shouldn't be testifying for you, but yeah, sorry. >> Again, all of the elevations, all of the great elevations, in elevations, base elevations are on the plan. Um, it >> it shouldn't >> the plan depicts positive flow from all

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these areas into our basin. >> Yeah, I I think those are legitimate points. Great questions, but they are off the track that they're having. I mean, for him to be responsible, for this developer to be responsible for water that's flowing off the site,

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existing conditions, that's not >> But then again, those are good questions, but that's not part of the application that I can see. >> Well, a number of things on the application look at their >> but right rightfully so, sir. Um I I

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mean we are very aware of the problems that uh water runoff can have for neighboring properties. That's specifically why this board is >> I was asking about the wetlands and everything else because there are flooding issues currently >> closer to the mic.

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>> Sir, can I have your address again please? >> Eight Draxal Port. 8 >> Drexel Port. Yes. >> Yeah. So additional curbs, >> right? So, uh, right. So, part of this is offsite.

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Uh part of it is also obviously you're relying on um those drains going uh into your storm water management system and then going out into uh I

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believe uh Jeffrey indicated that uh the the water in the storm water management area will eventually then seep out into the storm drains. in Drexel. >> Correct. Correct. >> Yes. Right. Right.

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>> Listen, so go ahead. If in fact those that does discharge to this room, which is new to us today, we will obviously investigate it. We can camera it and record. >> I was just going to say we I would >> if that is the case, then I come up with

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an alternative. >> Right. I I think I think that that should probably be scoped. >> Um >> I don't disagree with that. you know, it's um one of these situations where, you know, the town gets developed over a period of time and different sections

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get developed. It's not one big huge development in this way. Maybe that can answer some of the concerns. I think that probably these are concerns that are going to be repeated by other members of the public. >> Sure. >> Um so, you know, having that level of

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shorty, I think will hopefully answer some of Mr. Bellow's uh uh concerns because obviously uh he wants to be sure that whatever the water condition is on his property is going to hopefully be better uh but no

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worse than it already is. >> No problem with that. >> Going back to the tree trimming and that plan, can you pull that one up again, please? >> Tree trimming the removals. >> The tree removals. >> Sure. >> Sir, uh we'll make this your last question. We can come back if we just so

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we can give other people a chance to No, no, you you can finish with this question and then we'll let other people >> I'm page. >> This is page three. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'm seeing where the stream goes

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through and crosses into my property. That one whole section has nothing being removed. No trees. That's not correct. >> Are we talking right here? >> Yes. That whole section, that whole

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rectangle. >> Yep. >> This whole rectangle here. >> Yes. >> Yeah. We're not We're proposing no development up in this area. >> Okay. So, you're not taking out any trees. Not removing any dead trees. I've already had one of your trees fall on my property. I notifi notified you people

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in advance. Send pictures. You've done nothing. the maintenance of the entire property. I'm concerned with there are a number of dead trees there and I'm not seeing any of this being addressed. I'm not seeing any m I have a lot of concerns. You're a

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contractor and to say I take you at face value. I go with what I see. I see soil piles not covered. I see nobody maintaining the property at all since you've owned it. >> Is that vacant? Is that area vacant?

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There isn't any dwelling. So my >> Well, it's all part of >> 97. Correct. There is a home there. They own it. >> Correct. But our h my housing department >> my housing department that does property maintenance. We only remove trees from

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areas that are close to your property line if you state that there are damage to your property. >> I've done that. I've spokenly I've had her up my house. I've had a tree hit my house caused. She she had those removed, but she won't wouldn't have she wouldn't

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have the whole lots dead. >> No, just the ones that are going to hit my house, and they have not done anything. Now, there are plenty of dead trees in that area. >> When was the last time that you talked to Leslie? >> I talked to her on

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Friday of last week. >> Okay. So, she's still currently working on it >> several times last year >> because she told me that this application was coming and that she was working on the property maintenance, but that many of the property maintenance and the tree is a whole section that

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goes along. >> All right. Mr. Go. All right. Mr. Mr. Held No, that that's that's fine. Mr. Held is I know Mr. Held is taking copious notes. We won't touch that. >> He and and but Mr. held. I would just ask that you take those comments back to

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your uh client and let him know about that and that there the gentleman has some uh several concerns about that property maintenance, the dead trees and so piles. If you can make note of that and have him try to address it independent of this. >> Sure.

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>> Any other any questions? >> Uh any other questions? Please come forward, ma'am. My name is Kelly Ford. Um, I'm at 105 Interville. It's right next door. Uh, it's lot 44. >> Right here.

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>> Um, so my questions are mostly about just the construction plan itself. Um, I did look at the plans. Where is the construction driveway? Where will things become? Typically what we do for um alterations

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so to existing plans was we use we'll utilize the existing driveway. Um so during during construction most likely it'll be it'll be here. Um and then when the truck extension begins it'll be over here. >> Okay. Um so like when I looked at the

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construction sequence it looked kind of generic. >> Yep. Um is the intention to grade and remove trees all in one fell swoop um typically pieces? >> Uh well that could if we decide to stage

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it in a manner um you know that could be discussed with my clients further on down the road. Uh typically it's you know tree removal, some rough grading, uh the storm water management system has to get installed uh trenching for all the utilities. So if that could be done in a manner that's you know obviously

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less disturbance is possible. Um but that's typically where the where the operation starts. >> Okay. Yeah. I guess my concern was just like with four new houses it's going to take some time to kind of get everything in. So if it was possible to stage

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just so it's not all >> we can certainly look at it and then put together a more comp comprehensive um sequence for you uh to to outline timelines and you know and and staging or sequencing operation. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Uh, Robera Chapco, 93 Interville Road. Um, >> can you please just spell your last name for us? >> C H O P K O. Okay. If I understood you correctly, your utilities, water and such is coming

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from Intervail. >> Correct. >> And as I understand, we're living there almost 49 years. As I understand it, that road Intervale Road is Mountain Lakes and we tap into a Mountain Lakes water line. and I pay my water bill to

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Parcany, but there's some sort of a an arrangement between Parcany and Mountain Lakes. So, has Mountain Lakes been made aware of all this or do they have to be? I am assuming. >> I mean, obviously, yes, we're going to notify Mountain Lakes, but it is public

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water. It is public water. We intend to utilize that that main to service these homes. >> Okay. Okay. And if I understand 97 exists, 101 exists, and you're putting a house in between, that will become 99 Intervail Road. >> I I can't speak to the actual numbers

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that hasn't been assigned yet. >> The tax the tax assessor's letter is in our packets and it lists the new block and lots and their addresses. >> Okay. I haven't read >> they're in that packet. You That's what they're going to sign. >> Okay.

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>> All right. Then the Drexel um the Drexel Court extension um is going to be assumed serviced by the town uh sanitation department and fire department. And there is enough room there for a fire truck to get in

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and turn around as well as a a garbage truck. >> Yes, it's designed according to the standards. >> You're going to be able to turn around at the base of that loop. >> That's the intent. It's it's designed in accordance with the standards. >> Jeeoff, why don't you give uh some just

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can you just give rough dimensions on that? >> Yeah, it's 100 foot radius uh on on the uh on the culdesac. You know, if I So, you know, I if I mean it's it's a it's a standard cul culde-sac bolt. Um

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I didn't you know, we don't we don't make them up. It's a it's it's you perhaps maybe um I don't know Mr. Styer can speak more to the transportation aspect of it. Uh >> so there's going to be there's going to be another witness uh who's maybe taking

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notes himself and uh we'll be able to address uh that comment because it's an important safety health and safety comment. I'm sure that the applicant will address that issue. >> All right. on our property. Um, and I think 93 is that furthest piece on your

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left there. Correct. That's 93 in a That's our block. >> Uh, it's lot 48. I don't know. We don't have the street address on there. >> Our property extends all the way back beyond the brook. So, your retention

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basin is going above our property. >> No, hope not because the water can't run uphill. >> Yes. the the the basin is going to be limited to right here adjacent to the street. This is all part of of the lot, but this is uphill. So, you know, this is going to remain untouched.

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>> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Bill Buckner, the redirectal court, BU C N E R. >> Just one point of clarification. You were talking about >> you speak up to the mic. >> Bring the mic a little closer. >> Sorry.

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>> The construction entrance. You were pointing something at the map, but I couldn't see it from >> Oh, we were just talking about possible locations for the construction entrance. And I was saying that, you know, with the two homes uh that are fronting on Interville, typically we use we use the existing driveways to access those

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properties. Um but eventually we will, you know, have an access on Drexel to bring in the roadway and and do the development there as well. So, none of the heavy construction equipment will be coming through Glenbrook and Drexel Court because it's

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all connected and it's a very narrow twisting road to get into Drexel Court. >> You're you're right and I drove it today and the truth is to have large construction vehicles coming down the way probably doesn't make much sense. So there, you know, there there may be an

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access there at some point, but the truth is most of that big equipment will probably be accessed through Intervail. And, you know, we do have the we do have the large lot, so we do there is plenty of room to to bring in equipment and stage it all right here while everything

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else is being modified. And and if we can we can indicate that on the plan as well that that's where the uh access will be in the staging areas for any materials. Then other two quick questions. >> Sure. >> Has this whole project been approved by the Mars County Soil Conservation

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District? >> Not a plan has not been submitted to the district yet. We do have a plan involved in our included in our set. You know, typically um once the plan is voted on and approved, then it is sent down to the district. Um and that's just a

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strategic thing because every sort of deviation or edit has to get down back down to this to the district again. And there's a there's a fee for every new review >> approved here. Then you go to Morris County. >> Yeah. Again, but no one's going to give us a permit until we have the certification from the district anyway. So this so this plan in its infancy will

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end end up in the district and we will have our certification before we start. >> So and then the same thing with the Morris County Planning Department. >> Correct. >> Correct. That came up before. >> Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Buckner, those are great questions. I'm over here in our letter.

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We we always have the last part. The applicant should discuss letters of no interest and or approvals by outside agencies. It's just a catchall when the first one is Morris County Soil Conservation Districts. So, thank you very much for asking us. Saved us a little bit of time. Um and also Morris

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County Planning Board. Those are two listed. It's on our review letter page 23. So, thank you very much. >> You can get to page 23. >> That's okay. Not not many people do. Thank you. pick up and he's here and then obviously this could be flooded area.

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>> Hello everyone. Uh Andy Chaffo, CHO FFO 5 Glen Brook Drive or Symphony. Uh first, thank you for your volunteering on this board. It's greatly appreciate it. I know what it means to uh give up your time to volunteer on boards like this. Uh just a few questions. Um,

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who can you tell me who the environmental company was that did the wetlands delineation? >> Sure. It's PK Environmental out of Chadam. >> And there were no delineations that um this plan has to take into account for

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class one, two, or three waters the repairing setbacks or are in accordance with the D regulations. >> Yes sir. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, people have brought up the construction traffic. I think it's a valid point. I think I think we saw you walking the property today. Your wife said there's a

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tall ball guy walking on the property though. Well, I'm a short ball. Wasn't it wasn't me. So, >> um, >> yeah, I I think the residents would appreciate to the greatest uh extent possible that the construction traffic did um, enter and exit the site from Intervil. It's almost a quarter mile

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loop to to make the right onto Glen Brook, make the right onto Drexel, and then go down to the to uh the end of Drexel. Um it would seem from an efficiency standpoint as well as a liability standpoint, the less traffic you have on a residential uh street like that, it would make more sense to come up with intervail if possible for the

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project. >> I we don't disagree and we can reflect that in a in a in an amended plan. >> Sure. Uh-huh. Um, and you know, being you drove it today. So, that section of town, if you've not been down, it was it was put in the 1960s. I believe it was Apple Orchards prior to uh it being a

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subdivision back then. And it's almost like the land of time forgotten many ways. Um, it really hasn't changed over the years. We've been there almost 30 years. Um, and all the houses are very, very similar, right? You can walk into any house and close your eyes and know where the light switches are, know where

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the bathrooms are. It's an interesting interesting part of the town. And to go to the point of sidewalks and street lights, and I don't I don't speak on behalf of the residents of of the two two streets, uh, Drexel and Glenbrook, but I think it would be looked upon very favorably if there were no sidewalks,

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uh, or street lights put in because there are none in the existing neighborhood. So, uh, Mr. Bellow spoke before. So, the the one property a sidewalk could literally deadend into his front yard. >> We need a question. Um, so would you would you uh consider um uh requesting a

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variance for sidewalks and lighting in the extension? >> We'll defer to the board on that. >> Right. So, normally when the applicant has made a plan which is compliant, uh, and obviously when we get to the comment

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section, we're going to hear from the public and then the board will make its determination at that point whether or not it's in uh a better planning alternative to uh not have the sidewalks and lights, but we're going to keep that in mind. >> Thank you, Mr. B. I appreciate that. And

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my uh my last question um probably two-parter. Is this the same developer that had originally worked on uh 97 Intravail? >> I I I don't think that that's something that would be something the engineer can answer. I

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mean, he's been engaged on this matter. >> Correct. >> So, so we we don't we don't know that. Okay. The reason I asked that and I think it was brought up is um we need a question. >> Sure. So, uh 97 Intervil had a foundation poured and the house uh

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mostly demolished in December of 2025. Uh shortly thereafter, a Big Red um stopped construction. Um >> Right. So, okay. So, anything with anything with property maintenance or construction code that's outside jurisdiction of the board. >> Okay. So my question is how can the

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residents be assured that if it's the same developer and for whatever reason that permitting was stopped on construction that for this larger subdivision we're not going to see construction delays that again further impact uh our our peace and quiet >> the my zoning construction I have my departments are zoning construction

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planning board of adjustment housing and fire prevention we will all review permits at the time we make sure all prior approvals we expedite them as quickly as possible and we did sticker that because there was a misunderstanding but that has nothing to do with this application.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Ed Lascowski 1 Drexel Court L K W SKI. I know you're talking about the two construction entrances and stuff like that. Um, are you guys going to have the PD there to help with traffic? Because

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when it comes in the trucking industry and bringing a lot of that heavy equipment, Intervil is not a big street as it is. It's not that wide. Drexel Court and Glen Brook are not that big. What are you guys going to do to and especially where you're going to be doing the construction here on that hill

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and it is a blind hill coming up. How are you guys going to set up the trucks to get equipment into the site without blocking up the traffic on Intervale and causing you know delays and problems there? Because then you also have a lot of people that do walk intervail walk

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Glenbrook and work walk uh Draxville. >> Well, obviously we'll we'll do whatever we have to do to make sure that everything is is done in a safe and effective manner >> and we would coordinate with the >> municipality. there's going to be some need to block off or impede the traffic

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on Intervail. They'll have to interface with the township police department. Uh appropriate measures need to be taken. There's a whole thick book. >> Okay. >> Uh on your DPW right now with your garbage trucks can't turn in uh Drexal

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Court. They can't do U-turns um >> with the fire department or the DPW. So, how's that going to have an effect, you know, through that area now? Well, the fire department did a letter according to the chart on the front here. We did get a letter with comments from the fire

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department dated 81324. >> I know the fire department has a problem with because it's such a long stretch to lay lines down. You can't get memo if there's going to be a fire down there. >> Nora, do you have that memo? I mean the f this is given to the district fire

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department. The volunteers not my fire prevention department but the actual volunteers put up these proposals are given to them and they have an opportunity to comment. So they did comment. So the from the fire department participating Troy Hills fire district 6

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from the chief of the department on August 13th 2024 indicated with regard to the proposed development they had no issues or comments on the above site plan. So but but the point is taken that

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and I think Mr. Held is once again taking copious notes uh with regard to ensuring that the construction is done in such a way as to reduce the impact on neighboring properties uh do proper controls the silt fences so on and so

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forth and also to uh ensure that uh traffic can flow freely through that area to the extent possible. Obviously you'll need to interface with the township police department. >> Correct. No problem. >> Last question. If and when you stop going using the construction entrance on

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Intervale and go to Drexel, if a truck, god forbid, backs into somebody's driveway, does some damage, rips the curbs out, who is going to be responsible to do all the affairs or who do we contact when there's damage on our property? >> If if the contractor if the if the

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contractor causes damage to private property, the contractor is responsible for that. We have uh multiple township codes and ordinances about that that uh hold them responsible for any of those repairs. And if they put something in and it's not done appropriately, the

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contractor is responsible for it at the end of the day. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Mr. Chairman. I have a question. Yeah. >> I was just looking at Yeah. >> Um I guess uh >> you make no issues. >> Yeah. I Okay. Yeah, Mr. Beach,

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>> I think I saw I saw the same. It's it's a typo because if he had them, I think he would have said what we were. >> That's what I thought. But should we be getting a revised letter maybe just to be sure, you know? >> We actually >> Well, two years down the line, right? We are not going to

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>> Yeah, we did reach out and confirmed and it was a typo and we'll we'll make sure he issues an updated >> updated memo. >> Okay. Any other members? >> Any other members of the public? Yeah, >> please come forward.

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>> My name is Reika Patal. I'm from six Drexel Court. >> Okay. Do you want to orient uh the engineer as to where where that is? Cuz he only knows blocks and lots. He doesn't know addresses. Not that he doesn't know addresses, but

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>> blocks and lots would be easier. >> This would this be you right here? Do you have the stream on your >> the opposite side of track >> right next to it? Yeah, that one. >> Okay. >> Okay. In terms of the storm water and

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all of that, the maintenance that you're talking about, at the moment, we do get um you know uh water damage and uh overflow. So can you explain again how you're going to manage that because I'm really

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concerned with the overflowing of the water and coming into the stream. >> Okay. Well, you know, from the 30,000 foot view, this whole property has no uh storm water management system on it today as it exists. So everything

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follows the national topography. So it is all flowing this way and then down towards Drexel. So you are seeing uh you know you are seeing that water. No one's going to deny that. Um, but as part of our proposal, we have a comprehensive utility plan

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with catch basins and swailes and a very large bio retention system in catch basins in the street. So the the the objective is for all of this whole proposed development, all the new impervious that we're putting in roofs, driveways, and roads is not going to

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impact you any more than it is today. In fact, it's going to be a net benefit. you're going to be seeing less water today um than um as a result of this project. In our storm water report and our calculations demonstrate that all the water is going to be is going to be pushed back down this way. We have a

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series of swailes guiding all the water to these these cash basins that we're putting in. Again, these big thick lines are all uh swells pushing the water to cash basins which all going to be routed. We have two cash basins in the street catching all that water and it's

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all ending up right in here. Sir, could you just explain everybody what a swell is? >> Again, it's it's essentially just a depression. It's a natural grass depression that it's it's designed to to channel and route water um exactly the exactly the way it is. If I have a

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detail on one of these sheets, I'll show it to you. >> Right. Yeah. So, so when we're answering questions from the general public, we receive these questions all the time. We're a little bit more aware. You have to be a little bit more >> understand. Okay. So here is this is

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where the this is the detail of the grass well. So this again the this hatching delinates a lawn area. This is just a depression. So the water is going to flow in here, stay in here and be routed according um to this depth and slope. And that's what our grading plan

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does. So it's going to move the water towards the cash basins that we were going to be installing. >> Yeah. Because my property is right next to Troy Brook. And at the moment when we have storms, Troy Brook sometimes overflows and with this extra water

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that's going into it, my property is going to get even more flooded. >> Yeah. >> You know, maybe on a layman's term, because I'm just a simple planner, the engineer could probably answer this a little more. >> Um, didn't the D have new regulations that you have to comply with the

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Department of Envir on storm water eggs? >> Oh, yeah. They they do a very good job of uh changing them all the time. Well, but but they they're more stringent than it was even last year. >> We we've had to redesign this thing twice due to the new regulations. >> So, I'm saying this for you, Mrs. Patel.

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These are regulations designed to protect >> flow from going for from new development. So, they retain this water. So, that's why I'm just trying to emphasize they're just not doing this because they're doing it. They have to comply with regulations and these are

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the higher regulations. Mr. Chapo said something that this was built 30 years ago the the prior >> 60 years ago >> 60 years ago. Well, I'm sure that there were no D regulations back then. So, the point is these new developments have to

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comply and you have legitimate questions about your site, >> Mr. Bellows had for his. But you have sites that were designed 40, 50, 60 years ago, not under these current standards. So maybe if you could elaborate, you said you had to redesign it twice, right? to make it even more

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>> well again more right >> more yeah way more conservative. We had an original design we were going with with uh back and forth with the previous board engineer and then during that time before the plans were um even submitted the regulations had changed. So all that

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time and effort to develop one storm management plan basically had to get thrown out the window because the state changed the the guidelines and then we had to do another one. And and again, it's I went to a redevelopment conference last week as part of continuing education and there was this was a big topic of conversation. So I

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mean and it's designed in general from the 30,000 foot view to protect Yeah. uh other uh you know protect this from flowing on your front. >> Yeah. because I mean the environment at the moment is uh you know pretty bad and

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storms are more frequent and if this is not managed well I'm going to have my you know uh ground floor flooded all the time >> and that's not what I'm expecting to do. >> Yes, >> cuz I have a stream at the back and on

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the side the the Troy Brook runs on my side and then at the back where Mr. Bellows has the stream I have that running through as well. So you can imagine >> can imagine a concern. So I wanted to put you know he has to these these are tough wrecks. >> Yeah. And that's why when he mentioned

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about the storm uh management system >> who's responsible for that and if there is any issues who do I go to to get that uh rectified >> if it damages my property who who's liable for it? >> Well what what what's this it before in

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my colloquy with Mr. held about the storm water management system >> when these type of uh set aides are done where a lot is being identified specifically for storm water management.

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>> Uh what needs to be done is first of all what they're going to prepare and file. So it's going to be on it's going to be recorded with the county. There's going to be a storm water management plan recorded with the county. And the reason why that's done is in essence to hold

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the party's feet to the fire not just today but 30 years into the future because who knows who's going to own those homes, right? So they want to that that's part of the requirement. The other part of the requirement which I was discussing with Mr. held before is

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that there's normally an agreement placed among the homeowners and also with the township to say in essence that they're responsible uh for that cost that they are responsible for the maintenance. they're responsible should

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anything go wrong with it and that if they can't handle it for whatever reason uh that the township has the right to go in and take care of it for the health and safety of the community and then charge back to the group that's

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responsible for it. That's a normal I'm pointing it down, but that's the normal uh customary way to do it so that you as a homeowner and the other homeowners in the area could be assured that there is something in place that is recorded. you

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can view it and that there is something which holds that do that that group of homeowners feet to the fire and that the township can come in and hold the uh that group's feet to the fire if there's a need to and hopefully there's not

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hopefully it's wellmaintained and you don't have any water in your basement. Mr. Hell, do you want to add anything on that? >> No, I I agree 100%. Yeah, that that's why uh as council indicated there's a storm water management plan. it gets recorded so that the any subsequent

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owner of the property is on notice and uh and as also as our engineer and and uh and the port planner indicated then there's there's very strict D regulations that uh that govern all of

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these projects. >> Okay, thank you. And then in terms of the timeline for this project, I mean, it's opening up our culdesac. There are young kids that play in that culdeac. You're opening it up in terms of the extension and the timeline that it's

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going to take. Um, you know, I'm a little concerned how long it's going to take looking at that property on Inville the 97 and I don't want it to be disturbing our environment for, you

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know, couple of years, 5 years. I don't know how long it's going to take. So, is there an assurance of how long your project is going to take um for it to be completed? Well, we'll be working with the construction department and and >> I'm just mindful there are lots of kids

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that play on Drexel Court and you know they enjoy the >> right and and and as I said before with regard to Intervail the same thing would happen with Drexel. There would have to be interfacing with the township police department and uh appropriate measures

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taken to ensure that construction vehicles are in the appropriate location and should they not comply uh Miss Smith's office or somebody else in the township would be the one to uh intercede to ensure that they are

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complying and there are uh keeping the area safe uh during the construction. there there's a number of requirements like I said there's there's a big thick book they have to follow >> okay and just like the others reiterated

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that you know the safety in terms of the five trucks at the moment I see it in the morning when the garbage truck comes it backs up because >> well we're going to have we're going to have maybe more testimony on that issue >> yeah so I just want to you know also

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with my other you know residential people that I want to reiterate that Well, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. >> Nancy Chafo, five Glen Brook Drive. Uh, first of all, I don't know if you're aware that Drexel Court and Glen Brook

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Drive, you can't get to Drexel Court without going through Glen Brook Drive. So, I don't know if anyone's driven the area. When you come down Interville Road, there's a curve on Glenbrook and then there's another curve and then you go down and there's curves all the way down to get to Drexel. We have children

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of all ages, K, newborns to high school kids on that road. So, it's really imperative that you use inter railroad as your construction site to come in and out of the driveway. I and I only heard you say probably use inter railroad, but it would be very hard to get out of Glen

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Brook Drive or Drexel if the truck is coming down the road. You can't drive a garbage truck and a car next to each other down those streets. So, we know if we're going to have giant construction trucks, especially dump trucks, I see how they drive. >> We need a question. >> We have to be very careful. Are you

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aware that it also Bonin address? Those streets are all um done by the Bhutin post office. So everyone on Drexel, Glenn Brook Drive in that whole area is uh 07005. That's our address, not Paripany. We live in Paripany. We pay taxes for

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Parcipany, but Bhutin delivers our mail. So was the Bin Post Office. Also would have to be informed of another street coming off those street. >> I'm not sure you want to involve the United States Postal Service. Okay. >> Well, just to be aware, just to make aware, >> but I just would like to know if we could get more than the probably that we

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could use um >> as a main source. >> So, the planning board has limited jurisdiction, >> but we're I think what the planning board is trying to do is try to hear the concerns of the public. And I know Mr. Held on behalf of the applicant is

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trying to listen to the concerns of the public. the staging of construction is not technically in the jurisdiction of the board. However, I think I think that Mr. Held and his team have heard and uh

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they will uh certainly go back to their plans and ensure that they're going to use Intervail to the degree they can. Obviously at some point they will have to be on Drexel because of the work that's being done over there. But the

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degree to which they can do the majority of the work without impeding Drexel I think Mr. Held you would agree with me is probably just a good call. >> But we talk about Drexel and Interell. Don't forget about Glenbrook because many of the residents here we live on

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Glenbrook and you can't get to Drexel without passing our homes. So, I just want to make sure you're aware of that, you know, and that that was one of my main concerns and the and the trucks coming down. So, I want to make sure you hear us. >> Um, also a quick question would be all these site plans you're talking about

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building houses. Does anyone know how many bedrooms, how many baths? >> That's not part that's not part of the applica. The >> Okay. >> the there's that's not >> interesting at the board. >> Okay. Thank you. Yeah, >> they're all single but but they are all single family which is the more

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important >> definitely point >> and if there's any variances to the site plans those would have to be brought before the board also >> right >> okay any other questions uh from the public >> actually I have a question of the

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witness at this point because it brought up something that we've run into many many times s the state of New Jersey makes it illegal for a new uh project to cause greater runoff onto their neighbors property. >> This project is a little different in

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that you might be the runoff might affect the neighbor to the neighbors property rather than just because of the way that the piping and the streaming are done. What What are the state regulations on that? Because I I never

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experienced that before. So in essence uh I think what Mr. Dinsmore is asking is you know in terms of your review of the stormwater regulations uh how uh not I won't use the word

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global but how comprehensive is that review? Do you are you looking at um the effect beyond just adjacent sites? >> I think that's is that correct Mr. Dour? Well, >> well, part of our analysis is we we take an existing conditions plan. We and we

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quantify all the Thank you. all the all the storm water um in that drainage area in an existing condition form. So, we we can quantify that number. We know what that number is. And then post construction, it's our job to make sure that it's less it's reduced by a certain

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percentage. And there's there's a whole, you know, there's a lot of reductions that that need to be met. So essentially the postc conduct the post construction um measures in in in development is going to generate less water than what's

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there today. So when you're talking about impacting things downstream, there's going to be less water impacting the downstream portions of the system than there is today because it's all going to be detained on our property and released back into the system at a rate

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slower than what it is today. So if if everything goes to plan, the flooding that occurs on Ms. Patel's property is likely to be reduced. >> If there is water from our properties

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>> contributing to that flooding, then then yes, and it would be there would be a reduction in that volume of water that she may be seeing. >> Okay. Because I I heard a lot of talking around it, >> but I think that's really what she wants to know, >> right? I mean, I I haven't studied her drainage area. I don't know where that water is coming from, but certainly if

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there's water from these lots, our property that are impacting her her property or or or any of that water, it is it is going to be uh a lesser impact than it is today as a result of the project. >> So, if if if she were to find herself with more water than she had before, she

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could call the town engineer, I guess. >> Correct. Justin was a town. >> You call the the town engineer and say, "I think there's a bigger problem here." the town would come and look at it and they say, "By golly, you're right." Or, "No, I don't think so." And they would

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then contact you and say, "What are you going to do about it?" >> Exactly. >> Okay. They're trying to reduce it to >> levels that the people who are going to have to deal with the the results of

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this >> can handle. >> Yeah. And and again, that is the objective, you know. Um the D sets these these guidelines and these in these development restrictions um which is essentially to minimize development. Um

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but again the the key thing is you know the the rate of uh flow off of property has to be reduced in a manner uh than that it's less than existing today and in in substantial reductions and our design meets all that.

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So just just to add on to his just for more for public what is your calculation what is the number of gallons this bio retention will hold. So let's say we have brains for two days. >> How much can you so my retention can hold? >> I mean that's yeah that we're really

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getting into like like a lot of quantities like the reports about that thick. Um >> gallons I we work in cubic feet. Um >> cubic feet >> but I you know I I don't have those numbers at my fingertip. I have I can open my model. I'll be happy to tell

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you. Um but you know as far as the site plan that information is included on the site plan because a separate report and calculations are are submitted to the township engineer and like that that design is is reviewed separately than the actual site plans. >> But but going to the question maybe

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>> but it is a 100redyear storm 100 year and and and a future a storm for for the year 2050. So, >> all right. So, what what yeah what in order to answer the member's question rather than talking about the

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>> gallons or cubic >> feet >> feet. Um I you know I only drove past an engineering school once. Um so uh in just explain to the public what the hundred-year storm is. You could

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imagine, right, if you had, let's just say you had a football field and it was all grass, right? And you took 6 in of water and you dumped it on the grass football field, it's probably going to and let's say the the grass football field was slipped a bit. Some of the water is going to percolate the ground. Some of the water is going to sheet flow off, right? That's what we're used to

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with lawn. But now I I put a a road there. If I dump 6 in of water on a road, that water is going to stay there, right? And then it's also going to flow at a much higher rate than it did when the grass was there, right? So, it's my job to ensure that I quantify.

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So, again, I'm taking that 6 in of water on a dumpling on a grass football field and I'm and I'm calculating the time and the volume and the rate at which it's going. Um, and I know what that water is. Now, I'm taking it on a on a road and that move that water is moving much faster at a much higher velocity, but

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that water needs to be reduced to a rate slower than when it is on the grass football field. >> Absolutely. I was just trying to help people to understand that number because I also work for NJ. I've built hundreds of yards off basins myself and dumping that water in Hudson River. So I've done all those

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calculation. >> When I tell them that number, they'll be satisfied. Oh, it can hold this much off cubic water and that make them really happy. >> Well, I could open up my model and give you that I can give you that answer. >> Yeah, I was but but Jeff on that that hundredyear storm just explain what that

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hundredyear storm means to the public. What what what what is what does that what does that really mean? >> What's the probability of that 100redyear storm occurring? So again, and it's essentially designed for like 6 in of rainfall. >> Um

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so it's it's a very large quantity of water. >> So that's that that's a higher standard. The 100redyear storm is a higher standard. >> Yeah. We have to meet the standard for the 2-year, the 10 year, and the 100-year storm. >> Right. Right. used to used to be I think in terms of what Ron was asking you

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before that standard used to be lower now the standard is at the 100-year storm right >> now we have to design for a future storm >> right and that's what you and that's what you designed it according >> and I'm going to say on a non-technical term isn't this these detention basins

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aren't they sort of like timed release you you know it's it it goes in it just doesn't sit there stagnant it goes out slowly so there's complicated alpha structures with orififices and fingers. So again, the water it backs up into the into the basin and it essentially has uh

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a dam system in it. Um and there's small there's orififices that release the water. Um so only as much water that could fit through that orifice at a time is what is what goes through >> and and I'm not trying to pro or con. This is more to the public understands

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that these things are designed to let it out slowly. Correct. Not not like one big correct. You can imagine all this water that flowed down down this whole property today um and ended up on Drexel. All this

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sheet flowed and then it went right down and ended up on Drexel. Now it's all going to end up in a big basin, big swimming pool, and it's going to get slowly discharged over time through a small little orifice back into the

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system. So before when it was almost instantaneous it was ending up on Draxel. Now it's going to be again time released at a very low rate stored on our property and then released uh through the weird orus through the storm water system back into the city store.

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>> I don't live in the township. I have two sump pumps in my house. So if anybody wants to know, believe me, storm water is a big concern and you know it's a concern. I just want the public to know this. Again, I'm not pro or con. This is

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just the facts. I don't if anyone remembers the uh the TV show Dragnet. >> You know, remember Joe Friday used to say just the facts and that's why I'm trying to bring out the facts. So, you know, it's understandable cuz like I said before no ma'am, >> you can't can't do that. >> No, you can't.

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>> Sorry. >> Can't do it from can't do >> you can come here to be on the record. >> No, I just wanted >> No, no, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out. Time out. You have to understand this is a quasi judicial board. What does that mean? That's a fancy legal word. I got to use

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one every day. Otherwise, they come take the law license. All right. So, it's it's there's important that we keep a clean record. Okay. So, comments from the uh from the public have to be on the record. We have the question time. Uh

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we're going to try to finish up Mr. Garen's testimony so that Mr. Held can present his next witness. Um, so but obviously the concern I think we treaded the concern about the storm water which

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I know they're going to do their best to deal with. >> Can I uh mention something about the 100red-year flood? >> Yeah, go ahead. Mr. Dpier, >> there are some people in this audience I recognize that were here in the 1980s. lower Lake Haywa used to flood. The

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Rockaway River would flood, overflow um and 60 homes would be underwater. They'd be taken out in rowboats um for years and years and years. In in the 1980s, we built a wall along the Rockway River

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for the whole length of Pipony. There's a 100-year flood wall that we built um with 90% federal money uh to protect all those homes in Lower Lake Iwana. And it worked. It lasted. People started fixing up their homes. We redid the

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roads down there. It lasted for 29 years until we got a 500y year flood. One time, one time it happened. Um but but that's a 100red-year flood wall down there that protects them almost all the

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time except something really extreme happens. And by the way, that final year flood was not really the fault of the wall. All of the the Rockway River and all of the other rivers that are tributaries to the Pose River and eventually into the Hudson River. um all

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those tributaries backed up. So the Rockaway River, the water couldn't flow into the other into the Poseic River because all the tributaries are trying to get there at the same time. And that's when it it overflowed our 100-year flood wall. But we have a

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100red-year flood wall in Precipany that we built in the 80s. >> Okay. question follow. >> Uh you're going to um you know what can Would it be okay to just save that for uh after we hear from the rest of the witnesses?

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>> Okay. I appreciate that. All right. Uh we'll we'll conclude the questions for now. Allow you to bring up forward your next witness. >> Yes. I'd like to now call upon Joseph Stiger. >> All right. So, uh Mr. Stiger's testifying tonight as a traffic

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engineer. >> Okay. Do you swear for tell truth for this planning board tonight? >> Yes, I do. >> Okay. All right. Mr. Stiger, um you've been qualified in the field of traffic engineering in front of multiple boards over your career. You hold a uh

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certificate in um licensing and traffic engineering. And that certificate is good uh currently in state New Jersey. >> Special engineer. Yes, it is. >> And um right, sorry. Good thing you answered that. And uh just quickly the benefit of your education.

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>> Yes. Uh bachelor of science, master science degrees, New Jersey Institute technology. Also been an adjunct professor of traffic engineering at NJIT. Again, professional engineers license, professional planners license, state of New Jersey in good standing. Again, I'

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I've appeared before this board on numerous occasions. I see some familiar faces to my right over here. Um I testify that I I've been here before. >> All right. Uh so chair, I think we can accept Mr. Stiger in the field of uh traffic >> engine. And he is also professional

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planner, but uh since there's no variance relief being sought, but if there was a question, >> don't keep it to we don't have to pay him twice. >> That's right. >> All right. So Mr. Swiger, I know that your office prepared a traffic impact statement and there were some questions

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raised in in the review. uh regarding uh horses and other items. So if you could uh briefly review the over provide an overview of your traffic impact statement and uh bound answer the questions raised. >> Yeah. uh the traffic impact uh statement

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that was submitted as part of the application dated March 11 of this year and uh it goes through uh the existing conditions um field visits and measurements that we took at along u Glenbrook uh drive and strexel court um

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the roadway uh speed limits and so forth. we we in we um made a um a uh a collection of all the um uh information that would affect traffic in around the area. Uh and then secondly to establish

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a um an impact uh or a potential impact of what the proposal will generate we may project projections of trip generation. There are four new single family homes. uh one will have access directly on uh on Intervale Road uh and

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three of them will have access on Drexel Fort going out to Glen Brook and then out onto Intervail Road. So we have a split of uh of traffic uh that would be generated by the four new homes. Um the Institute of Transportation Engineers

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documents what the trip generation is for various land uses, one of those being single family homes. Uh, in essence, during the peak hours, and the peak hours are the typical rush hours between 7 to 9 a.m. on weekdays and 4 to

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6:00 p.m., uh, we will generate one trip per hour for each of the homes. So during the peak hour that occurs in during that time frame those two hours of where where the rush hours occur uh we'll see an addition of four vehicles

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being generated or added to the existing uh roadway network in the area would be split theoretically or or um um statistically three of them will use drexle court how to uh intervail and the one home would generate one trip

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directly on intervail Um when we look at impacts, how what does that mean? Uh in terms of um potential impacts that would negatively affect the surrounding roadway network, the standards by either it the Institute

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of Transportation Engineers or the New Jersey DOT is somewhere between 50 and 100 trips per hour. here we are at three or four trips per hour and therefore um would not fall in in that within that threshold of what potentially could be

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an impact. So the the the conclusions that it can make um uh based on that is that this would have no uh significant impact on traffic conditions in the area because of the very low volumes that we're dealing with. Um I did review the and work hand in

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hand with Mr. Gary on the development of the site plan to ensure that we have safe access um in and out of the site. Um the roadway width um is 28 ft matches the existing width of Drexal Court. Uh

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and the and the um the culde-sac bowl is a 40 foot um radius uh which again meets the RSIS standard. that roadway width of 28 ft and a 40 foot radius of the bulb

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are the RSIS minimum requirements. So we do comply with RSIS in terms of layout and and design. Um the the need for a sidewalk is an RSIS standard. this board can wave that uh requirement as dimmin

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dimminimous exception to the RSIs. Um and I believe in my in my view will fit into the character of the roadway network of uh of Drexel Court and Glenn Brook uh Drive as well. um number of

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parking spaces the um we feel that the number of um bedrooms so part the number of parking spaces is based on the number of bedrooms on uh of the single family homes for a four bedroomedroom um single family home you need two and a half

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spaces per per home how you do that I I don't I I wouldn't know but RSI allows you to drop the 0.5 when it's 0.5 or or low. So in essence, for a fourbedroom home, you need two parking spaces. For a

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fivebedroom home, if it happened to be that um that one or two or three of the four of these homes might be five bedrooms, which we don't anticipate, the layout kind of is conducive to a fourbedroom home, you would need three parking spaces. We have two garages in

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each each each home. And certainly we have one parking space um uh that would be provided uh if not more. If you look at the site plan as well, put four at least four maybe five um parked cars total between the two car garage and the

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uh and the driveways. So we meet the RSI standards. Um um Jeff and I uh worked on on the layout to ensure that we use that as our guide uh in designing this. Um but again I I believe that the the sidewalk that doesn't meet the character

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of the of the um uh area could be eliminated and uh this board can wave that uh that requirement of RSIS but all the other standards we are compliance with RSIS and I assume again no no problem in any

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of the comments that are raised on pages 8 18 through uh 20 of the engineer planners report. >> We can we can uh provide documentation uh to to provide that information. >> Great. I have no further questions of

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Mr. Styer. >> Is is Stiger going to address that issue of the street lighting whether or not he feels that that's necessary for the roadway? Any need for >> Yeah, good point. Since it's at the dead end of the culdeac, um traffic speed is

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very light at that location. Uh if anywhere you probably would want um a traffic a light uh elsewhere on Glenbrook or or Drexel, but certainly not at the bald at the end, which speed is diminished uh down there. So I I don't believe that

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that the um the roadway needs that lighting as well as a safety aspect as well. It's not a RSI standard. um and it it might be part of your um psychology standards, but um again, I think that easily can be waved um and still provide

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safe safe access. >> So there's no overwhelming planning need for I know I didn't put your planner hat on, but for from a traffic uh perspective, there's no need for a a street light there. Should the board look at it that way? >> Yeah, I I don't believe there is.

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>> Okay. Okay. Nothing further at this time. >> Uh, any questions from our engineer? >> None. >> Okay. >> More comment. I like sidewalks. >> And it's advice to the board just because the other uh the other part of

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Drexal wasn't built with sidewalks. We had testimony already. Oh, actually from one of the public that this was built decades ago. Um, planning in the 21st century. We encourage walkability to wave sidewalks. You got to start someplace. And if you keep waving it,

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then you're never going to get sidewalks. That is for the public good. When we talk about safety of children and stuff, instead of run around in a street, at least have a sidewalk to walk on. That's my That's my two cents. I I don't think it should be waved. That's my recommendation. I I I mean I I they

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they're proposing sidewalks. I don't think it should be taken out of the plan. That's just me. But I defer to you guys. >> Okay. >> All right. Uh any questions from the >> board members? Yes, Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. Uh I do agree about the sidewalks

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having uh firsthand dealing with some public safety issues in the town. Uh sidewalks has been the one thing that many people have asked. Uh I know there is always a fight that you know not in my I guess backyard or front yard. Uh but you know sidewalk does promote a

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healthy lifestyle for folks to walk. Uh what I observed in Precipan is a beautiful town. Everybody loves to walk even in small neighborhoods. uh to and you guys I think this area is very close to Lake Interale. Uh and I'm a huge proponent of sidewalks for both public

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safety, a healthier lifestyle, and the aesthetics of a neighborhood. >> Okay. Uh >> I I agree with that. Except the problem is uh we we've had this discussion many many times over the years. >> Um I'm going to cut this off because we're drifting in comments instead of

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asking questions of our traffic engineer. So why don't we let Mr. Drio now Cen the thought >> even even some of the residents who like sidewalks they want it across the street not on their side on the other side you

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know we we've gone through this over and over again and they like sidewalks but not on their side and it's always been a problem. >> Okay. Uh now for the board remaining board members do we have any questions for the traffic engineer?

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Okay. Uh any questions? Oh I have a question. I'm sorry. Um I got so wrapped up in everybody else. All right. So as many of the members of the public asked already I'll I'll ask ahead of time and feel free to join in later uh when it's your

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turn if I miss anything. But um uh you spoke to the RSIS compliance of the 40ft radius. Um, have you evaluated its ability to support garbage trucks or fire trucks in our neighborhood? >> Yes. And the 40T is based on the fire

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truck um accessibility. It matches exactly this other than it being tilted a little bit. I can see from the site plan, the 40ft radius is the same as the existing culde-sac that's being extended. M so um >> yeah and I I believe some of the u

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members of the public have expressed that the vehicles aren't able to make a full full turn in that that they have to sort of make a K turn in order to complete the circle. Is is that how the RSIs is calculated or >> yes no it's calculated that you make a

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full circle. >> Okay. >> The fire truck or ladder truck can make the full circle certainly a garbage truck can make that full circle. >> Okay. So in one maneuver, does a driver choose to do that? Maybe not. And he likes to jock you around, but the 40

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foot radius does uh accommodate. >> That was my next question is may maybe then it's a driver choice instead of a you know, so if an emergency was required to make a single loop, they could. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> I have a question on that. >> Uh yes, Mr. When they make the circle,

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uh, is it with the cars parked on the culde-sac or without? >> Without >> the full circle. >> Without. Um, and then and maybe that's something that, uh, can be, uh, Title 39, uh, disallow parking within that culde-sac. Many towns do that for that

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very reason. Yes. It'll it'll stop a a truck from being able to make that turn if that culde-sac is filled up with parked cars. >> Okay. And just to piggyback on that, mayor, it's something stiger brought up and just to refresh your recollection is to what Mr. Held said before, uh, that

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it would be that roadway would be dedicated to the township, which would mean that if once that roadway is dedicated to the township, that means we have title 39 control, which means that you then can uh pass ordinances to control parking. >> Okay. Got it.

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>> Mr. Should you wish? >> Yeah, Mr. Stiger. I was looking just just on this this existing map the current culde-sac that doesn't seem to reflect what current RSIs design is. I mean that's an older design, right? The bulb.

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>> No, >> because the newer one the newer one that what I see on the extension can someone flip that page? >> Yeah, it has. >> We'll put the engineer back to work. He's earning his keep. I'm just saying if you look at it, it's a different shape. >> Yeah. >> I mean, is that is that

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>> so that's conducive to you driving on on that on that side of the road. Um it can the the RSIS is not doesn't deal with the shape of the bulb. It's the 40 foot radius deals with. >> Okay. Thank you for clarifying. >> And that's I've made that point that

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they are identical except what the new one is a little bit tilted. Uh but that's something that can be accommodated and still allow the trucks and the cars to make a continuous uh forward movement through that culture.

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>> Thank you. That's enlightening. Thank you. >> Okay. Any other questions from the board? >> All right. Um uh sir, did you have a planning witness or is this your last witness? >> This is our last. >> Okay.

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>> Mr. is a professional planner >> but again since no variance relief is required >> it's only uh if needed >> on that basis then I'll go ahead and open up the questions from the public at this point >> all right >> I'll stand up and let the public >> Thank you sir

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>> thanks >> all right uh the floor is open for questions uh for our traffic uh witness okay seeing no one come forward Okay. >> And thank you for your report. Uh Andy Chafo, 51 Glenn Brook Drive. Uh have you

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been to the area? Have you driven down the area or just looked at it up from Matt? >> Absolutely. >> So the sidewalks that are proposed for the Drexel Court extension um as they come out towards Drexel Court would would lead into what? would lead to nowhere. >> To nowhere, right? Like the road and the

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bridge to nowhere, it would just go onto somebody's front lawn. >> Correct. >> So someone who had a mobility issue who was using the sidewalk would stop at that front lawn or they have to go onto the street. >> Correct. >> So that's why your recommendation is sidewalks aren't really necessary and

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they don't fit the character of the area. That is that's been my testimony. But I I do have to agree with your planner uh and the mayor that you got to start somewhere and if the intention of the town is to um put in sidewalks at

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some point here you have a free sidewalk here. developer comes along, they install the sidewalk, and for the future, if it's ever extended to sidewalks, the town would have to do that that work, but they don't have to do the whatever the 100 or 200 ft that the developer put.

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>> Thank you. Quick, show hands. No sidewalks. >> Okay. Thank you very Okay. No, no questions. >> Hi, Brian Bellows. I just uh are there going to be sidewalks on Intervail from

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101 to 97? >> It's not proposed. >> Not. >> That's an excellent question. >> Okay. >> Question. Why not? >> For the same for the for the same

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reason. It look up to the board. If they want sidewalks, just like we agreed to put curb in, we're happy to put sidewalks in. I don't think >> whether it serves a purpose or not. I I don't believe it does because there's no other sidewalks that those proposed ones will lead to. >> Well, there's more of a need of a

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sidewalk on Invale. >> Okay. Let's let's let's put this into context. The reason why the sidewalks are on Drexel is because there is a township ordinance which requires it and they put them there to comply with the

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township ordinance. Uh so this makes their application variance free. What is being considered by the board is

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it's not even asked by the applicant by the way. So procedurally I'm not we're kind of in a uh a gray zone here uh because Mr. Held has not asked for he doesn't have to ask for uh this this change. Now, should the board wish to do

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it based upon the input and their considerations, they can do it independently, a little bit weird, but yet the board can do that. But just so everybody's aware, it's being generated by the town ordinance. They're doing it because the town has passed the

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ordinance. Um, so let's just It's not something that the applicant is doing to ask for a variance. Normally, it's an ask for a variance. All right. Any other questions from the public? >> Another house doesn't require >> ordinance.

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>> Okay, we're gonna >> once again calls from the from the if you're not Okay, you can't ask the question. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no. Let's stop. We're going to stop. There is no requirement for them to put

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sidewalks on intervail. Done. >> Because they would have put >> ordinance. It's not part of the ordinance. >> Let me be clear. There's no sidewalks on on Intervale because it's not required by the ordinance >> because if it was they would have to put the sidewalks

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>> and and the RSIS does um uh governs uh new roads and and the extension of >> the court is a new road. Intervail is an existing road. >> Right. So in essence because

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intervvil is an already existing road miger that requirement is alleviated as opposed to the extension of Drexel which is required. So if they weren't extending Drexel there wouldn't be any requirement to put sidewalks at all. >> Correct. Okay.

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>> All right. Uh any other members of the public with questions for the traffic engineer? All right. Seeing none, I will close the public portion for questions. Uh turn it back over to you, sir. >> Yeah, we have uh no further witnesses at this time. Certainly, uh two witnesses

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that have testified are here if there's further questions from the board or the public or board professionals. >> Very good. So, what we'll do is we'll move on to comments from the public, then comments from the board, and then we'll allow you to make your closing statement. >> Great. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. >> All right. Opening it up to comments

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from the board. Yes, sir. Please come forward. I'm sorry. Comments from the general public. >> Right. >> Uh board. >> Yeah. No, I just got appointed. >> You just have to please do do us a favor of stating and spelling your name one more time and your address. >> That's Phil Buckner. Closer.

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>> Bill Buckner. >> Speak up, please. Into the mic. >> Redirectful court. It's bu. So, I have a real basic question right now. Um, we already said that all the construction or most of it's going to

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come in from Interbell Road. We've got sidewalks that are required that are going to lead to no place on Dreal Court. So, why wouldn't this development be a intervail road culde-sac

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instead of disrupting the current status of dreadful court? This is not question time. Now's the time for comments. Well, >> in fairness, he did he did try to ask it at the end of the question period. So, >> well, I'm sure Mr. Held will put a note

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down for maybe his closing need. >> Okay. Any other comments from the general public? Okay. Seeing none, I will close comments from the general public and uh open it

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up to comments from the board. >> Yeah. Questions/ comment. Right. So the the new sidewalks we talked about and we talked about they will end nowhere. They'll go nowhere. But I would imagine that there will be a ramp or something to get down from the ramp to the when

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they end, right? A ramp to the road. Um, if can we confirm that or we just don't want the ramp just finish all of a sudden and then somebody on on the ramp on the sidewalk. >> I think I understand what you're saying. All of a sudden it ends and then it drops. >> I think it would

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>> there should be a ramp to get down, right? What do you call it? Slope or ramp, right? >> I think that the engineer probably would be able to comment. I think he's saying he's saying that >> like you have at the signal, right? You just don't you know how do you get down from walk to the road? Yeah.

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>> I think what he's trying to say is if you if a kid is riding a bike at the end of that sidewalk, he should be able to with a slope ease onto the street instead of just >> a drop off, a curb drop off, >> which it so where

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>> we would not generally recommend that tie. You're talking sloping. You tie it into the street then. >> Okay. >> Our engineer has >> I would not generally recommend having a crossing down the middle of a block. Um, cars don't anticipate that. You usually

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want to have handicap crossings at intersections where cars will anticipate that. It creates a false sense of security for the person making that crossing. When we have proposed sidewalk that's, you know, sidewalk to nowhere, we generally recommend a turnaround

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space at the end of that before it gets to the existing properties. a larger pad that enables a wheelchair to turn around a 5x5 instead of a 4ft wide sidewalk at the end of that before it gets to the other properties. It allows you to turn back and then go down the driveway if

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you're trying to get to the roadway, but to provide access through the middle of the block is not recommended. >> All right. So just in order to organize this conversation, um what what I'd like to do is discuss the consideration of

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the two waiverss which have been discussed. Uh so we'll start off with the sidewalk since we've already gone down that path. And what I'd like to do is decide as a board whether or not we want to go ahead and add this as a waiver. So we'll deliberate amongst ourselves at this point for for that

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purpose. Uh Mr. Dpierro, you're recognized. Normally, I would in general I'm in favor of sidewalks. You know, you have to start somewhere. I agree with the I agree with that comment, but this is a dead-end street. Um that doesn't

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have a lot of traffic at all. I mean, there's really no reason where there's no sidewalk that exists today on on the on on Drexel. Um this this is a dead-end street. It's not going to be a high volume trafficked road and I don't see

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the need on this particular street. This, in my opinion, this would be the exception. It's a dead end street going nowhere and we're very, very low traffic. Even with the four houses that are going to be built there, it'll be very low traffic. I don't see the need for a sidewalk.

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>> Okay. Thank you for that, Mr. Dpiro. Anybody else want to make uh comments about the sidewalk? Okay. Uh, living on a culdesac myself where sidewalk only goes up half of it and you know I I you know I I I see both

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sides of this. I'll I'll I'll be struggling with this question myself I guess. Um um I definitely I definitely agree with Mr. Dpier and with uh Mayor um Desai that you know you do have to start somewhere when it comes to

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sidewalks. But I I guess I like your comment too Mr. GPRO that it you know where where is this going to go eventually in in the long run. Um with that said there does seem to be a clear you know with the existing circle you have a clear point for the sidewalk to

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terminate. Uh it's not like it's it's terminating to somebody else's property. It's terminating at the at the circle that's currently existing. So, um, yeah, I I I guess I'm leaning towards the sidewalk not not being an issue and and to leave it as part of the

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application. Uh, does anybody else want to speak on this? >> Uh, yes. The original culde-sac is going to be terminated and extended. Is the original culdeac is going to be a straight or the the circle will still be there?

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>> Circle will still be there. >> Yeah. >> Oh, it still be there. Okay. >> Yeah. The circle will be maintained. >> Okay. >> Yeah. They're not going to >> Okay. >> There's no there's no no there's no plan to do anything with it. Whether whether it is or it isn't. It's not.

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>> They're not they're not presenting anything along those lines, mayor, is the point. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right. Just to just to bring this in for a landing cuz we're running >> pretty late. >> We're running late here. But, you know, if if the board were inclined to

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uh be in favor of removing the sidewalk, Mr. Held, I just want to clear something up with you because it's your client's application. Does your client care one way or another? Let me just put down to brass tax here. Is your client care one way or another whether there's sidewalk?

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>> No. Whatever the whatever is the desire of the board. >> Okay. So with that, chair, if the board were inclined to uh grant uh to add a variance condition of removal of the sidewalk, uh I would suggest that there

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be a motion and a second to add that variance to this application to allow the removal of the sidewalk. Thank you for correcting my language because it is variance, not a waiver. Um, and just to clarify that, um, if we

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were to grant a a variance, uh, for no sidewalk, uh, that doesn't necessarily mean that the applicant would need to utilize that variance. Is that correct? Also, >> well, they they it would kind of be judged at the site plan level. >> Well, no, no, no. What would happen is

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if if you grant the variance, they're going to redo their plans accordingly, and those are the plans they're going to submit, and those are the plans that the township is going to rely on. And if they then decide to do I mean arguably they could do a sidewalk but after they are granted the variance I'm not sure that there's any practical reason for

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them to retreat that it almost becomes a condition of approval. >> Yeah it's a condition of approval. >> Right. Okay. That's why I wanted to clarify. >> All right. So uh at this time before the board I'd like to see if anybody would like to make a motion in order to grant

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a variance uh for no sidewalks on on this application. >> I'll make that motion. All right. Do we have a second? >> Second edit. >> All right. >> All right. So, is the >> Okay. Uh on that on that motion, we need um vote.

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>> Yes. Uh and we've already had deliberations, so we'll move right to the vote. Uh Nora, please go ahead. >> Did each >> Yes. >> Dmore? >> Yes. >> Desai? >> No. >> Diero,

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>> yes. Uh, Patel, >> yes. >> Smith, >> no. >> Aken, >> no. >> No. Nor, I I I did I did uh math on the back of my hand. 43 passed.

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>> Yes. >> Okay. So, now a variance has been added to allow no sidewalks. So, now this application includes the subdivision plus the variance for the sidewalk. Uh, chair, was there another piece you wanted? >> Yes. So, we wanted to discuss the street

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light issue as well. >> Is the street just to clarify, is the street light is that a would that create a variance condition if they didn't have the street light or is it a w or is it a waiver? I thought it was a waiver ris where that was >> I don't think it's a requirement.

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Street lighting >> I think I think it it was a requirement, >> but I think I think it may have been I think it may have been a I'm not sure if it's a variance condition or or design waiver. >> I think it's a design waiver. I don't think it was a variance. >> Yeah. So, it was a design waiver.

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>> Mr. Held, that one's a little easier. Mr. Held, you would agree that if the to the applicant uh is okay with removing the street light as a design waiver, >> correct? >> Okay. So, now we have a subdivision with a variance and a design waiver for no

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street light. That's their call because not a variance condition. Okay. All right. So, that's that's the world now. No, no lights. No sidewalks in a subdivision. >> Oh, >> lights. No lights.

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>> Zero lights. Now, >> is that what the board wants? >> I think there's going to be a vote on I think that that was the situation, Mr. Held. >> Okay. >> No lights. >> That one you don't need a >> No, that's a that's a design waiver. >> Okay. >> All right. Last chance for any board members to

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speak up. You know, if you have anything else to add to that. Okay. So, no lights is is has been uh decided as the design waiver that'll be added to the application. Okay. Um with that said,

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>> we don't need um so with that said, I believe we're ready to uh take your closing statement, sir. >> Yeah. And and I will be brief and again the hour is late. again appreciate the comments from the public and the input

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from the public, the deliberations by the board, the board professionals and staff. I truly appreciate it. Uh and just briefly to touch on why was it designed this way because we looked at it and designed it to be a variance-free

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application except obviously for the sidewalk relief being sought here. Again, addressing you heard the comments uh from the public with respect to storm water. This is a well-designed storm water uh plan uh that now has to meet

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the everinccreasing D regulations again uh variance-free application addressed all of the comments from the board professionals and will be a beautiful addition uh to the area and and my client is here and has heard the

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comments with respect to uh being a good neighbor and construction uh staging and the like. So I think for all those reasons we requested the board grant this uh application for the major subdivision and then again as a condition of approval getting soil

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conservation and the county approval. So and again thank you all for your time. >> Thank you sir. Okay. Uh so what we'll do is I'll I'll go ahead and accept a motion on this application and we'll deliberate and vote.

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>> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes, Mr. Uh the reach. >> Yep. Motion to approve application number 24 col 525 NB home improvements LLC 97 and 101 Intervail Road block 429

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lots 45 and 46 zone R-3 preliminary and final major subdivision with C variance for a six lot subdivision as per the conditions noted. >> Do we have a second?

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I'll second it. >> All right. Very good. >> Second, Mr. Patel. And go ahead >> through you, chair. Those the Mr. De and um second we uh I forgot who who second uh agree

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to the conditions of approval that the applicant will adhere to uh the planner engine board planner board engineer report uh and comply with same provide updated plans with regard to the um 97

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intervail uh that the um plans will be updated for RA RSIS compliance. Uh the sewer line will be scoped including the storm water outfall area will be scoped uh to ensure

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its proper uh placement ensuring it's hooked into the proper municipal system. And there will be a uh storm water management plan that will be filed with the county and a uh that will be reviewed by the board attorney as well

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as uh board professionals. There will be an agreement between um the homeowners and uh the township as to the maintenance of that storm water system.

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And Mr. held. I'll let you catch up a second. Um curbing will be um done along Intervail and concrete carbing to be continued along Drexel. And Mr. Held, give me one more second.

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Uh and I think I got the mole. Steve, >> sure. We'll figure it out. >> Okay. So, that's a long longer list than usual. Um, >> any board members wish to make any

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additional comments about your vote? Uh, for or against. Okay. All right. Seeing none, let's go ahead and take a vote on this. >> Desai. >> Yes. >> Dich. >> Yes. >> Diierro.

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>> Yes. >> Dinsore. >> Yes. Patel, >> yes. >> Smith, >> yes. >> Von Aken, >> yes. >> Thank you very much. Again, appreciate your time this evening. >> Thank you everyone and thank you for your participation to help make this application more beneficial in general.

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All right. With that said, I'll entertain a motion to close. >> So move. >> Second. >> All right. All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> All right. Hearing none, go home.