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Touch your precipitating hills planning board Monday June 1st 2026 at 7:30 p.m. >> All right. So for the announcement is that we're having an advocate notice of this meeting has been given and that is being conducted in accordance with NJSA

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10 col 4-6 um established in sequence of state of New Jersey and open public meetings act. >> Uh please can I have a roll call? >> Mr. Diddich >> here. >> Mr. Dinsmore >> here. >> Mayor Sai

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>> here. >> Councilwoman Hernandez >> here. Mr. Patel >> here. >> Mr. Shaw >> here. >> Miss Smith >> here. The fiber board planner. Uh Mr. Ryerson >> here. >> Board engineer Miss Kust and your board

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attorney Mr. Wel >> here. Right. All right. We're going to do a pledge of allegiance, please. River. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. This meeting is open to the general public. >> Uh Mr. Vice Chair, we have a uh resolution on tonight uh for it was

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approved that uh the April 20th meeting for application number 26502 toll NJ1 LLC 4 Gate Old Drive block 175 lot 52. Uh all board members I believe should have received a copy of that

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resolution and uh Nora o has always has her cheat sheet. Those who can vote are Dich Desai Dinsmore Patel Shaw and well Vonin's not here. Can I have a motion? >> So move Dinsmore.

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>> Second. >> Second. >> Dich. >> Yes. >> This eye. >> Yes. >> Dinsore. >> Yes. >> Patel. >> Yes. >> Shaw. >> Yes. >> And that is it. It's approved.

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>> Okay. Motion passes. Um, we'll let the applicant for toll NJ know that. Uh, Mr. Vice Chair, the next matter on the agenda is application 26 col 503 Ruckers

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Builders LLC, Rucker Lane, block 767, lot 7.3. Uh, only a major soil moving moving permit which was carried from May 18th, 2026. I know we have Mr. O'Neal here tonight. >> Good evening everyone. >> Okay. And just for the record, this

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matter was previously notice had been previously provided. Uh matter had to be carried uh in abundance of caution. Mr. O'Neal's office uh provided notice again and uh we're back here again. So the board has jurisdiction and through you

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vice chair, I think Mr. O'Neal is uh going to present tonight. >> Yes. Good evening everybody. Joseph O'Neal of Gafalio here on behalf of the applicant. This is a glamorous major soil moving permit consisting of a grand

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total of 304 cubic yards only 145 cubic yards of which is going off site. We've provided to you a uh copy of our application. You have an illustration for what's going on site in front of you. >> Could you please pull the microphone

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closer? >> I'm sorry. >> Thank you. You should have an illustration in front of you with how the site's going to be taken care of. Half filled, half cut basically. And as I said, only about 10 trucks coming from the site coming to

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the site actually. They seem to think I was able to handle it without my engineer. So, I'm going to have to rely on the exhibits. If anyone has any questions, I'll endeavor to answer them, but it seems pretty straightforward. have accepted the uh engineers report total.

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>> And and Mr. O'Neal uh with regard to the trucks going on and off site, they will comply with the township code with regard to the time of operation and the and the locations they're going to move through. Correct. >> That's not a problem. >> Okay. And they'll try to stay on the

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major uh highways and roadways. Correct. >> 280 is right there. So, no problem. >> Sounds like it won't be a problem. Any questions on the board? >> Take a motion to accept. >> All right, we'll take the motion to accept. >> Motion to approve. Approve.

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>> Motion to approve. I apologize. Motion to approve. >> I apologize. >> So move Dinsmore. >> Second. Dichi. >> Yes. >> Dich. >> Yes. >> Dinsore. >> Yes. >> Fernandez. Yes. Patel

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>> here. >> Shaw. >> Yes. >> Smith. >> Yes. >> All right. Motion passes. Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. Always good seeing you. >> Good seeing you, Joe. >> Thank you. >> Okay. The next matter up uh vice chair

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is um application 25 col 521 Brooksmore 30881 Route 46 block one block 411 block 31.1 zone B1 preliminary and major final site plan for parking improvements landscaped

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islands and interior changes. I know Mr. Wolson is here to present on behalf of the applicant. >> Thank you Mr. Lenzo, board chair, board members, board professionals, Peter Wolson, the law firm Whitney here on behalf of the applicant.

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>> Yes, please. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Just make sure you're close to the so uh we are here regarding property located at 3025 to 3189 US Route 46

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designated as block 411 lot 31.1 on the township tax map. The property is also known as the Morris Hills Shopping Center. It contains approximately 18.4 acres and is located in the AHD-MU2

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affordable housing mixeduse zone district. The property is fully developed with an existing shopping center, a shuttered movie theater, and associated site improvements. The applicant is seeking preliminary and

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final major site plan, major soil moving permit and bulk variance approval in connection with the applicant's retening, redmising and refreshing portions of the existing buildings along with improvement of the existing

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parking lot with restriping and landscaped islands. A minor portion of the proposed parking lot improvements extend onto and include a portion of adjacent block 411 lot 30 which is occupied by a McDonald's restaurant. We

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have consent from McDonald's to make these very minor improvements. No new square footage of building is proposed as part of the application. Specifically, this application anticipates five new tenants, a signed

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up grosser, a potential retailer, and three potential restaurants, which are anticipated to be fast casual type restaurants. The identity of the grosser tenant is for now confidential. That

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tenant is a well-known upscale grosser whose decision to come to the property is a driver of the subject application. Our client is excited by the arrival of this upscale grosser and believes that

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precipit will be as well. We seek only two minor variances in connection with the application to permit a maximum imperous coverage of 82.22%. But we are reducing from the current

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coverage of 84.18. The maximum under the recently adopted resoning is 75%. Prior to that it was 80% but again we are reducing the impervious coverage. The other variance that goes with this

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application is a driveway setback variance at a particular location. And you'll hear more about those two variances from our two witnesses. For the record, the application was filed on December 18, 2025 with a

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follow-up submission on March 13, 2026. The applicant provided notice of this hearing in accordance with all legal requirements. For completeness of the record, the following review letters were received by the applicant as part of this application. Number one was a

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memorandum from uh your environmental engineering aid of the township water department dated January 26 of this year. No comments or objections. The second was a memorandum from assistant superintendent of the township sewer

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utility dated January 29 of this year. No comments because there's no effect on the sanitary sewer. Number three, excuse me. Completeness review letter one from your planner, Mr. Rhinardson dated January 30, 2026.

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Number four, completeness review letter. Number two, from Mr. Reinson and your engineer, Miss N. Uh, dated April 21, 2026. Uh, a review of the major soil moving permit from Justin Lizo, the municipal

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engineer, dated May 28 of this year. No objection. And finally, a technical review letter number one from your planner and engineer dated May 29, 2026. The applicant is able to agree to comply

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with the comments contained in that technical review letter of May 29, 2026. On a few of the review comments, our witnesses will explain or clarify through testimony this evening. I intend to present testimony from our

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project engineer Brian Conland uh and our architect Dustin Watson. Available to answer any questions are our traffic engineer/professional planner Matthew Welch. And there is an representative from Bricksmore the applicant uh Mark Newman with us as

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well. If there are no questions of me I'd like to call my first witness. >> Okay. >> Brian. Okay. Uh, Miss Wilson, who are you calling now? >> Brian Conland, our project engineer.

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>> And if you could pull the microphones closer. >> All right, Mr. Conland, do you swear from tell truth for this planning board tonight? >> I do. >> Mr. Conlin, can you do you please do us the favor of stating and spelling your name for the record? >> Yes. It's Brian, B R I A N, and the last

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name is Conlin. C O N L O N. >> Okay. And um Mr. Conlin uh why don't we get his qualifications on briefly? >> Sure. >> Can you please share with us your professional educational and lensure background? >> Yes. And good evening everyone. Um Brian

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Conland. I've been with Langan Engineering and Environmental Services. Not in our parcipany office. Um but I am out of our Philadelphia office. Um but I uh been with Langan just turned 28 years in May. I have a bachelor of civil engineering degree from Villanova University. Um, I'm currently licensed

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in New Jersey and my license is active as well as many other states. Um, I have been before either I forget if it was zoning or planning board, but I have been before you folks before for this shopping center back in I think 2019 and many other jurisdictions throughout New

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Jersey. And you haven't forgotten anything since then? >> We'll see. We'd ask that he be accepted as an expert in the area of civil engineering. uh vice chair through you, Mr. Conlin has uh established his educational background as well as his professional credentials and most

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importantly his license to practice in the field of engineering in state New Jersey is current and up to date. I would be asked that the board accept him as an expert. Yes. >> Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you. Brian, can you first uh lead us through the existing conditions and then show

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what the proposal is? >> Yes. >> You're going to be referring to some uh mounted boards. >> Yes. This is the only exhibit I have that is not in your packet. >> Okay. >> So, for reference, um this is entitled uh Mars Hills redevelopment. The plan is

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called site. Excuse me. This plan is in your packet. >> Mr. Conland, I'm going to ask you to do me a favor. Number one is that Okay, we're going to mark that, M. Wilson. We'll mark that as exhibit A1. And I'm going to ask Mr. Conlin to do a uh Sinatra routine and bring the mic with

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him so that when he's standing over there we can we can get him clearly on the uh the mic. Correct. >> Correct. Nora >> and I actually I was mistaken. This actually is in our packet um sheet

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three. It's the one that is a site aerial. So I apologize for that. Um and this again I know everyone's familiar with the project right across the street. You can see out the window here. Um, but just for context that I'm going to talk about tonight, um, the main building here where our proposed grosser

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is going, um, the theater which is kind of in the back corner of the site, which is really not subject to the application at all, but just for context. Um, the Sawtooth building, which is a kind of a we call it a sawtooth because of the irregular shape of the building, which is kind of in the center of the site,

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very close to the McDonald's. And then there is the Bank of America pad that's on the property again, but we're not doing any modifications to the Bank of America. And again, as uh Peter indicated, we're right at the corner of 46 and 202, and we're standing right here right now.

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And then I am going to go to our proposed site plan. This also is in the packet of our drawings. um site construction plan drawing CS 101 last re last revised March 12th of 2026 and this

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shows our proposed improvements for the site. As indicated there's no new square footage, but we are redomizing and retening, if you will, some of the existing buildings on the site. the first one, the main strip building if you will, um where we're proposing to

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the left where the habit burger used to be on the left side here. Um we're proposing a uh proposed grosser that is 13,270 ft and the balance of that existing building that's today half almost half

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it'll be the grosser and then the remainder of that build building is about 92 9,295 ft. to that building pad that's there today. They'll be redomizing internally to create those two new spaces with the grosser. There will be a new loading

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dock in the rear um and a new trash compactor as part of that. But again, the existing shell to the building is basically remaining. The other we're proposing three restaurant tenants again that are in existing spaces at the shopping center today. Uh one we're calling out as a

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2400 ft known as restaurant C. basically pretty dead center of the existing main building. Then in the Sawtooth building, as I mentioned, we're proposing two restaurants. What we're calling restaurant A, which is 2,250 ft², and restaurant B, which is 3,000 ft².

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They're the modifications of the proposed tenants for the site that we're proposing. And that's it from a building standpoint. Um the rest of the site is basically we think we're making it much nicer, greener, friendlier, more pedestrian accessible. And in doing

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that, we're providing all new striping, all new landscape islands at the end of the uh at the end of the parking bays. We're providing internal sidewalks, ins internal planters along the main building where the grosser's going. We're redoing the entire sidewalk there

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with brick pavers, landscaping, new accessible ramps. Similarly for that Sawtooth building again the whole frontage of that and new we'll have new sidewalk whether it's pavers planter islands and things of the like and then you know a little gathering space if you

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will at the corner here which used to well which is now just a big area of concrete again we're sprucing that up with green textured uh amenities and things of that nature. We're also adding for this new Sawtooth building a dedicated um trash enclosure

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dumpster. Again, the the dumpsters out there today are not contained in any kind of enclosure. So, we think we're improving that. And that's basically the extent of the plan. Again, it's mainly to this area. You don't see here, again, I mentioned the theater that's off the page. We're not touching anything with

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that part of the project. And again, the overall site, I think it Peter mentioned, is 8 point, excuse me, 18.4 acres. So, with these improvements, again, because there's no real news new new construction besides these new islands and things like that, we're only

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disturbing about 1.6 acres of ground. And that's basically to remove any existing islands and place the new islands and things like that. Very minimal grading. Um, very minimal drainage, a couple drainage pipes, no new utility services or things like that because they're already there for these

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buildings. You know, we're coordinating with utilities. They might upsize the services and things like that. Um, and I should mention a new transformer I think for the grosser as well from the utility standpoint. But that's um really the extent of the project. We're also, you know, I mentioned with the new islands,

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of course, new landscaping throughout. Um, Dustin can elaborate on this or our architect, but I just did some counts, you know, 57 new trees, over 1500 shrubs, and 1,700 plus different types of ground cover. And then we're reamping

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redoing all the entire lighting for the project as well for the uh for the shopping center uh with new updated lights. That's really it um from the layout. I don't think I'm missing anything. And with that, I'll uh kick it back to Peter.

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>> Questions. Any questions on that before? >> I have no questions. >> All right. Any questions for the board members? >> I do have a question. >> Yes, sir. the saw to roof line when it overlooks a green space that you want to put down. Is it a straight visual or there's going to be an awning on top on

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the short to perimeter? >> If you want I can >> and I'm going to have to probably kick that to the architect to answer. >> Wait, mayor. Mayor, >> just have him. >> Is this executive power he has? [laughter] Uh, mayor, why don't you >> You want to bring it up?

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>> Why don't we have Brian stand up there? Right. So, mayor, why don't you why don't you point out to Brian where you where you wanted to look? >> Okay. So, put your finger at the green space right there and the saw through the roof line. >> Okay. If I if I'm standing on the top of the saw through the roof line, right? When I look down on the green space, is

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there an awning above the green space or >> there is a trellis? >> I was going to say that's >> we'll answer that question when he comes up. I'll write it down. >> He has he has the better answer than me. >> Okay. But I'm sure the architect will make will make the architect will make note of that.

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>> I have as well. >> And if he has, then he should. >> I know Mr. Wolston has. >> Yes, sir. >> Any other questions? >> Actually, I I will add again just as I'm looking at my notes here. So, in addition to the layout, just some of the numbers. Um, the existing site today has

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975 parking spaces at the site. Um, with all these improvements and we are adding green. I'd love to emphasize that we're actually adding a few more parking spaces. So, we're going from an existing of 975 and the proposed is 991 spaces. And that's throughout the entire um

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shopping center property. And the impervious coverage, again, uh Peter did mention it, but to reiterate those numbers, um the existing site is 84.18% imperous coverage and the proposed is being reduced to 82.2% 2% impervious

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coverage, which is a good about a little over 15,000 square feet of more green at the end of the day of this proposed project. >> And you've done an analysis of of the parking under the new ordinance and we meet that. >> That's correct. Yes. Um there were some comments and some clarifications in the

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board uh planners professional letter um that will address all those comments, but we do meet the parking requirements. >> Any other questions for the board members? >> Yeah, just one more >> please. Are the parking spaces uh with increase or decrease?

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>> Increased by uh what did I say? Uh 16 spaces from 975 total to 991. >> I know I'm talking about the actual parking space itself. >> Oh, the size. Oh, no. They're they're out there today. They're all 9 by8 existing and we're proposed 9 by so same size parking space.

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>> I will say the existing drive aisles that are out on the site today are a lot bigger than 24 which is standard. There's some that are up to 27 30 ft. So that in our redoing and making it more efficient, that's where we gain some of our uh benefit to adding the parking and adding the green.

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>> Right. >> Any questions? >> I do. >> Um unless it's for the architect on the trees and stuff. Are you are they within the parking area in the islands? >> Yes. And we'll go through the landscaping plan we have in the packet, but yes, they're pretty much all through the new island throughout the parking

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lot. Are the number of parking spaces that you've got there >> shown on that or does it include the area by the theater? >> Yes. When I all the numbers are for the overall site including the movie theater. >> Will there be 975 when they put in the apartment complex?

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>> It's not part of this application. I I can't answer that. >> I understand that but to to ignore it is not in my constitution. >> So So we we we understand the question. I we are working collaboratively with the municipality on a on a redevelopment

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plan. >> Can you speak louder? >> I usually am not asked to speak louder. [laughter] >> We're working collaboratively on a uh redevelopment plan that will govern the entire site. Uh and that will we know

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now that the anticipated apartment building which is part of your fourth round affordable plan that combination of that and this uh plan that you see for the commercial portion we will have more than enough parking. >> That's that's really what I'm getting

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at. If if you make an assumption that that entire theater area is goes away as parking for this. >> Yes. >> You meet the standards for the for the town. That's all I'm really at. >> The answer is yes. >> Yes. >> Okay.

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Great. Any questions from the board professionals? >> Yes. Uh so I had a question about why there's 904 parking spaces required, but you're proposing 991. It's unusual to see an applicant so overparked, but it

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sounds like this is planning for the future. Perhaps >> it's it's existing tenant leases, the new tenants leases, and absolutely what we just discussed for the future um development that we know is coming one day. >> The um you discussed retenanting several

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of the the existing bays. Are they empty now or >> all all of the proposed are empty now? Yes, the tenants I mentioned are all empty spaces now. Yes, correct. There I will say though, there also is like a temporary um space in there uh or excuse

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me, a tempor someone's in there temporarily uh tenant, but the majority of the spaces for long-term leases are vacant for the new uh the new tenants. >> Okay, >> Mr. Chairman, >> quick question. >> Oh, you're just I just want

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clarification about the parking. Is this on? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh had a chance to speak with the engineer prior to this and I also had it clarified by the zoning officer how parking is calculated as this was approved originally way back when as a

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shopping center. >> Once it's approved as a shopping center, anytime there's a change in tenency, in fact there is in the ordinance. Anytime there's a change in tenency, you have to come back because the parking at that point is calculated by use. And I would just confirm that the the applicant did

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calculate it by use. It's in our review letter. Those comments here have been clarified, you know. So, um, we can deal with that once we go over the letter in the end if there's anything. You've agreed to everything. But I think what we're going to do is just say you just make sure I'll clarify with LRA that

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everything uh that we asked for testimony has been satisfied. I'll defer to her on the engineering side on that. >> Yes. And thank you, Ron, for his assistance with that. I have a >> quick questions. Out of 991 parking spaces, are there any EV parking spaces?

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Any proposal of that kind? >> There are no EV spaces proposed. >> Okay. Yeah. And just for clarity, uh since when you restripe parking lots, it's not required. >> It's any new physical. So say say hypothetically there the the uh uh the movie theater was bulldozed. I'm just

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saying that. And you added parking, that may trigger it, but that's not part of this application. And I don't want to go down that rabbit hole, but I'm just giving you a hypothetical. >> Got it. Y. Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Any additional questions. >> So, back to Mr. Wolson.

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>> I don't know if there's any we ask if any members of the public wish to ask questions. >> Any questions from the public or member of the public? >> All right. See, throw it back to Mr. Wolf. All right. Call Justin Watson, our architect.

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>> Thank you everyone. >> Thanks, Brian. [laughter] Do you swear affirm tell truth for this planning board tonight? >> I do. >> Okay. Can you do us a favor of please stating and spelling your name for the record?

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>> Dustin Watson. D U S T I N W A T S O N. >> Okay. And uh Mr. Watson, why don't we get your qualifications on briefly? >> Yeah, Dustin, can you share with us your educational professional and lensure? Yes, I have a bachelor's degree in

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architecture um and an MBA with a focus on green development and I am licensed going to say seven states six or seven states in and a province in Canada and I'm licensed here in New Jersey as well.

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>> Where'd you go to school? >> University of Tennessee. >> Go Valls. >> Go Valls. >> Everybody's got to go somewhere. >> Yep. Okay. [laughter] >> All right. >> Okay. and we'd ask that he be accepted as an expert in the area of architecture. >> Yes. >> Okay. You can, Mr. Wilson, you can

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proceed. >> Thank you. >> So, Dustin, in connection with the uh application submission, we uh provided some uh of your work. I understand you want to lead us through that. >> Yes, I'll start. We did the landscape design as far. Let's go through the

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landscape design first. >> Okay. So that was part of the submission. >> Yes. >> Okay. So just give us uh the title of the document. >> Yeah. So this is the overall landscape plan. Um as Brian had mentioned, we had

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restriped and kind of made the parking a lot more efficient and added as much green space and as we could. Um >> what's the plan called? >> The overall landscape plan. >> Overall landscape plan. Oh, sorry.

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Uh this was 10:31 2025. >> Thank you. >> Sorry. Um and I'll just start on this side. Currently, this is all paved area up to the building. We our plan is to take this out and then add new planting

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trees, shade trees, and you know, ground covers all along the back of this building. As Brian mentioned, we're adding to this sidewalk along the front of the building to add pavers as well as planting zones uh throughout.

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We're adding new uh shade trees throughout. I know there was a comment about the Acer Red maples being more colmer. Um we're only proposing those at that center portion to provide kind of a you know an access through the property.

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these the rest of the the trees are horn beams or um honeyloust we're adding so we created this kind of spine pedestrian spine to help break up the mass of the parking lot um

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the only other thing that we in the comments that I wanted to address was this uh adding some more shade trees there's existing trees currently in that location and I know we are not showing that was one of the comments we didn't show the existing trees. Um, but we don't necessarily have an issue with

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that. We're going to try to figure out where we can place some additional trees. Um, this being retail, we want to try to minimize some of the larger shade trees if we can so that there are view corridors into the site. It really does make a difference in these retail environments. Um,

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>> excuse me. Uh, in terms of uh working with the board's professionals on some more shade trees, you're talking about Pipony Boulevard. >> Yes, PC Boulevard. Yep. Um, this area currently is a large, you know, concrete zone. We're proposing to

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add some planters. We have actually some uh little bench areas with lots of planting and a couple of corners, kind of rest stops throughout the site. Um, and this is planned to be kind of more an artificial turf and not necessarily

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lawn because we want this to be an uh an event space where you could have um, you know, a festival or you could have some outdoor dining along this area. We're proposing a shade structure that's a trellis um, with some potential

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amenities, maybe a swing, you know, some um, things like that within this zone. Um there was some comments about increasing the size of these planters and we feel that's a great idea too. We I love more planting. So we're going to

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look at that which will increase the impervious areas as well. >> Dustin or decrease sorry >> the shade trellis is that in lie of a awning I think the mayor asked for. >> Yeah the issue with awnings here is we have some very awkward angles. This is a

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very difficult building for a retailer, especially not being able to see the front of any of the storefronts. Um, so this trellis will act as kind of a that zone will be part of kind of how this building is uh uh you know signed

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for the tenants, but we also that we're going to have outdoor seating for those restaurants along this building. We'd rather not have a bunch of awnings that kind of obscure the facade as uh any more than it is. Our goal eventually is

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to have as much storefront as we can as well spaces. >> Thank you. >> And yeah, these are this is kind of enlarged plan of that area. So you can see we're we have a >> was this submitted with the update?

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>> Yes. And and just give us >> enlarged plan L2.0 No. Uh, and that was in 10:31 2025. Um, we are proposing, you know, many more trees than what is currently on the site

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as well as a variety of planting shrubs um and um ground covers to kind of enhance as much of the the ground plan as we can. >> Dustin, you heard Brian uh recite some numbers for shrubs and trees. You agree with those numbers? >> I do. What's that?

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Yeah, I was going to say, do you have the >> Okay, >> in the packet, uh, L3L L 3.0 has a schedule and it shows the quantities that we're proposing. I know there was a comment as well as about the honeyloust. It was in the schedule, but there's a

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zero quantity. It's not really on the plan. For some reason, it showed up uh in the plan. Um, and with that, I could go to architecture or if you have questions about the landscape, >> go keep going. Okay. Architecture. um

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okay with this. So [clears throat] >> okay this was not subitted. >> Yes these two draw these renderings were not submitted current or we just completed these. So this is part of the ger [snorts]

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>> what is this title >> street view the date [laughter] >> the date is May 29th 2026. Okay. Why don't you just flip it around for now so I can mark it three and then you can flip it back.

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>> This is entitled >> Street View as well. May 29th. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> As you [clears throat] go through it, you'll describe them enough so you can distinguish. >> Yeah. So, we're showing in this view the the tenant that we have, you know,

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leased and ready to go, and we work with them. It's a national tenant. Um, we work with them to get the facade where they're happy and we're happy. Um, the idea is we're going to keep some of the, you know, the roof line, but we're going to change the roof, you know, a brand

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new roof cuz it's kind of aged and needs to be changed out. Um, but we need to create some new kind of popups to reflect where those tenants are located in the space. This, if you remember in the plan, it's that larger big box

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tenant. It can be broken into two tenants. Um, so the ger and then an adjacent tenant beside it. We're proposing to remove the current the old concrete column covers and replace that

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with a kind of cultured stone. Um this is a fiber cement board siding and [clears throat] replacing the you know on the underside of the canopy is currently you know old white metal something you know uh uh

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ceiling and we're going to we're proposing a wood look. It's going to be metal, but it it'll be have a wood color which is warmer. Um, we're going to add all new lighting underneath and new sconce lights on these buildings. Um,

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>> yeah. So, that I mean this >> that was that was A3. So, [clears throat] now you're going to go back to A2 for a different angle. >> Yeah. This is just the opposite side, the opposite corner of that building. So, this would be the ger. We're adding as much new storefront as we can. Um,

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and proposing cultured stone on the back side up to a certain height because of the carts. Um, and you'll see new planting along the front. So, this is kind of the the look that we'll be developing and working through hopefully

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the rest of the facade because that's part of uh uh kind of future development. questions. >> All right. At this time, any questions for the board members? >> I have a question. Uh, can you clarify

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on the plan? It talks about uh restaurant A and restaurant B having 75 outdoor seats. Um, on that's in the parking summary. Where are the 75 outdoor seats? Yeah,

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>> I'm guessing in that under that trellis area >> I just want to >> let me see your side. [clears throat] >> Let's get >> So

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those seats would be in this area along the front of the these rest these spaces >> 75. >> Yep. It's a very very large space that whole corner. >> No, it's not on that one either.

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>> Yeah. So, we're Yeah. Along the front of the where wherever we have a restaurant, we're planning on having outdoor seating right out front. >> So, that hatched area that's in that top corner that I thought maybe that was the seating. That little piece in front of

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tenon. >> In front of tenant A is like a triangle. >> The triangle. >> No, that's an outdoor. That's lawn or like an artificial Yeah. turf. >> Got it. >> Yep. >> All the seating's on the ground floor. >> Yes.

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>> Not on the like roof. >> No roof coping. No. >> Thank you. >> Any other board member questions? Are there any proposed improvements to the facade of the Sawtooth building? >> We're working with tenants right now to

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hopefully get that in process, but there's nothing at this time. We're it's in development >> as part of this application right now. >> Right. >> Well, I I I will say in in preparing for tonight, to the extent that the needs of future tenants become defined, that will

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drive certain features of the facade. But the intention is that that facade will be consistent with the style that you're looking at. >> Yes. So the idea is that we'll follow this through on that building, the Sawtooth building as well, that look.

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>> Okay. Um you mentioned using the columner uh maple trees in the middle of the parking lot and I love the amount of landscaping you've added to this large asphalt area. Um, is there a reason why you don't want more shade in this big

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heat island? [clears throat] >> More trees definitely great. Um, I'm just concerned along that middle section. We'd like to see more shade. It's a lot of parking area. >> Yeah, I don't necessarily have a problem getting a few more trees. The issue is

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we're working with a retail property and it's, you know, getting tenants to agree on that is sometimes more difficult. But, um, we were only showing the columns in here. These are all the shade trees. Now, I think we could get a couple in here as well.

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>> Okay. >> As part of that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any question. Can you go back to CS 101? That's on the other side of it. >> It looks like restaurant A, restaurant B overlooks,

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you know, the uh trestle down onto the ground floor. Like if I'm standing at top of the roof, you know, when I look down, uh, is it possible only because the ground floor and the green space that you're going to create with the astroturf, it looks like

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a community ga gathering area, you know, potentially that maybe on top of the roof, you could have some benches, green space, or not green space, astral turf with benches, like a community gathering place that people can because you have

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restaurants underneath that they can go. Maybe people upstairs can look down and make it like a welcoming community area. >> The problem is this building, I forget what year it was built. The I can't remember the exact year, but we don't have the live load capabilities for

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having any kind of rooftop. >> Okay. All right. >> I'd like to I'd love I'd love to see that. >> That's what I'm saying, right? You know, like this is the ground floor. Yeah, you know, old looking because you already these buildings were designed when they're engineered, they designed them

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just to where they need to be, you know, to make it, you know, so it's all there's not enough live load and the additional dead load that we would have in terms of pavers or whatever to protect the roof that it's on. So, it wouldn't be possible without a major reconstruction.

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>> Okay. >> I just look at the enhance that area just besides just being at the ground level, something at our upper level. Yeah, I >> I think this space once all the the restaurants and the outdoor seating, it's going to feel so lively. You're

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going to want people to be there in the mix rather than overlooking, you know. >> So, are you doing any structural change to that current building? Uh meaning are you adding any additional support to um

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last longer than current? Well, it it'll last, you know, as long as we keep the roof fixed up and it's going to last as long as we need. >> We just can't put people on it. >> Well, a lot of people. >> Um, >> structurally, there's no need to do any structural improvements at this time. I

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mean, it's a it's >> it's a well-built building. It's just not >> It wasn't designed for live load. It's for a lot of people. >> Yep. All right. Thank you. You mentioned the trust will have like a activity space like swings or Yes. Can you expand

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on that a little bit? >> Yeah. So, what we want to try to do is create So, there'll be a zone that is kind of that dining zone and then we want this to really be a community space. So, there will be additional chairs, tables that aren't part of the

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restaurants themselves, but the idea is to create some other locations where we can have activities for people to like a swing. Um, we haven't gotten into the details yet. We know that uh >> potential [clears throat] there for some kind of recreational. >> Yes, definitely. Definitely. And because

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we want the you know future if the residential when it comes or whatever that there's a place for people and the people in the community just to come and experience this place. >> Okay. So on that note, what if your retail tenant has conflict with the

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community u in that area? How would you handle that situation? Well, I you what do you mean? Like >> the retail tenants? >> Yeah. >> Mixed with the community with their guest sitting in the on that porch and

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you >> Rickmore has rules and regulations for their properties and they're going to follow, you know, if they're not following the rules and regulations, they're not going to be able to do anything. You know, the lease outlines that they that the tenant also has to follow their rules and regulations. So, I'm

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I'm not the [laughter] I wouldn't be able to do anything, but I'm sure Bricksmore would You're the guy who makes it look pretty, right? >> Yeah. >> Right. So, so normally, >> right? So, normally with with with shopping centers and, you know, multi-use enterprises like this, there's a series of rules and regulations. I'm

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preaching to the choir for the gentleman in the audience. But obviously, you know, amongst those rules and regulations, especially when you're dealing with anything that starts with outdoor dining where there's potential mixture, you know, you're going to have to have some understanding between those

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tenants as to who's responsible for what area, and also for policing of the area, maintaining the area, which I'm sure will eventually be part of a a developers agreement um should there come one in the future.

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Yeah. And like Mr. Wolfson, it certainly could. Yeah, sure. I knew you would agree with me. [laughter] >> He was nodding his head, so I figured he would. >> Restaurant in B will have uh outdoor seedings. What about restaurant C? Are being closed completely?

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>> It's under the colonade, so it's a little bit more difficult in that area. We just don't have a lot of room under. That's one of the reasons we pulled the sidewalk out a little bit. Not only to uh create a nice zone out front, is that it's very tight in there. Okay. Okay. All right. Any additional

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questions from the board? >> Bless you. >> Thank you. >> Bless you. >> Any question? Any additional question from board of professionals? >> Oh, the only thing this is more I'm leading the witness here. The trellis. Uh you said that it does it kind of

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almost give a squared off look here because you've got that unusual uh roof line. It kind of almost you're putting it in there. It's It's going to be more, you know, it'll help with the visual interest. >> Oh, yeah. It's going to We're going to It's going to have like a full trellis

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>> um that's going to provide shade, but it's going to look, you know, >> nice like it's a part of the building itself almost. >> So, I mean, it's a physical challenge as you said, the way this is kind of this the saw to here and then that that maybe that visual element kind of gives a more

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regularity. You know, you're looking at it. It makes sense. >> Yes. It's the idea is that it's going to tie the whole space together a little bit better. Now, when you have a re-entric corner in retail, it makes it very difficult. So, we're trying to help sell the space by creating this

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>> component. There's a leading question. Yeah, I know. [laughter] But, I just wanted to clarify. It's just not put up there willy-nilly. I mean, it's actually going to uh it's going to serve a purpose that the intent is to improve the aesthetic in that corner. >> Y. >> So, chairman, can I ask?

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>> Sure. Are there plantings on that trellis or it's just the trellis? No plantings. >> We haven't designed the trellis in detail, but the idea would there be some probably hanging plants throughout that?

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>> All right. Any questions from the member public? >> All right. Back to Mr. Wilson. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, Mr. Chairman, I practiced my closing remarks this afternoon and I timed it at 43 minutes. Um, no. Um, we appreciate the board and

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its professionals consideration of this. We're excited for this major refresh of this important location within Precipany. We're especially excited about this upscale grosser. We wish we could tell you who it is or sworn to secrecy at

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least for now. You'll know soon. Um, You can do his initials. No, I'm just kidding. >> T, [laughter] >> we we hope that you agree with us. Uh, as we said, the the relief that's needed in connection with tonight's application, we're reducing the

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impervious coverage. We're a little bit over the maximum under the ordinance. And there are existing there's an existing driveway location that does not meet the setback. Uh so we don't really anticipate that to

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constitute a significant uh substantial detriment. So with that we ask respectfully for your approval. >> Yeah. Mr. Wolson, could you just humor me here? You said your traffic engineer also has a planning hat. >> Yeah, he does. >> Would he be able to offer very brief

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planning testimony? And I say brief almost as brief as your statement just to say you meet the positive and negative criteria. I'm often accused of presenting planning testimony and some of some of the planners I work with are accused of giving legal. >> Yeah, I've been accused of writing like

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a lawyer. So I >> Okay. Do you swear for and tell truth for this planning board tonight? >> I do. >> Okay. And can you please state and spell your name for the record? >> Certainly. It's Matthew Welch Welcch. I'm an associate with Lang Engineering located just down the road at 300 Kimble

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Drive. Uh my background I received my bachelor of science in the field of civil engineering from wrestler polytic institute. I'm a licensed engineer and a licensed planner in the state of New Jersey as well as a certified professional traffic operations engineer. I've been practicing for over 20 years uh before I think this is my

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first time before this board. I've been before about over 50 boards including East Hanover Morris Planes and a number of others. >> You guys travel in packs from Langden. >> To be accepted as a expert the area of planning. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh I'm going to be brief. My

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testimony will be shorter than my drive over here. Um so the site is in the AHD MU2 affordable housing mixeduse zone. Um there are a number of existing non-conformities which I don't think you need me to go through. >> Uh so >> I think I think we cited them in our

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letter and I I think we're all in agreement on this. >> Yep. I reviewed them and I agree with them. So the two variances that are impacted by this project, one is maximum impervious coverage 75% is permitted. Existing is 84.18%

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uh proposed is 82.20%. So it's a reduction in impervious. So no negative impact there. Um definitely an improvement particularly with all the existing on the property. Uh the other variance is min minimum distance of a driveway

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from a side lot line. A minimum of of 5 ft is required existing. I know we state in our zoning table it's 14.4 ft. It's actually I'll restate for the record approximately 8.2 ft uh where 2.2 ft is proposed. So I'm referring to the site

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construction plan se sheet CS 101. This occurs in the rear of the property on the southerntherly property line. Uh if you go back there, it's all employee parking that backs up to that board on board fence right against the property line. Um as has been stated to, we have

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more than enough parking to support the site. Uh so a number of those parking stalls are being removed to allow for a loading dock in the rear of the proposed grosser. Um it's helping to modernize the building to bring in a new tenant and again utilize kind of it's really a

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reutilizing of existing imperous surface that frankly we'll need for parking so we can use it to improve uh truck circulation. So um there is that board on board fence that's staying and we'll continue to provide screening between

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the shopping center and the surrounding residents. no increase in impervious coverage. So really no negative impact or impairment to the zone. Um and again, you know, all these improvements are allowing for this modernization of the shopping center and to bring in new

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tenants. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Was that too long? >> I I wasn't timing it. That was just right. >> Can I ask one question? >> All right. >> Any questions for the board members? You just raised a question that I forgot to

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ask earlier. Um there was comments about driving. I'm also the director of planning zoning construction and recently somebody called um about not having enough driving distance behind. How much room once the loading dock is

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installed uh how much room will cars be able to drive? Will two cars coming from opposite directions be still be able to pass each other or will it be like a oneway afterwards? So, we're maintaining two-way circulation. We're shifting the double yellow to provide your

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conventional 12T drive lanes in each direction. And there's about a little le little more than 2 ft of a buffer on the side there. So, you have more than 24 ft. So, certainly enough room for for circulation. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Welcome. >> All right. Any questions board of

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professionals? >> So, not about planning. I'm not going to ask about planning. I'll leave that to Ron. Um, but about traffic. Uh we heard testimony that the that the bays that are being retenanted are currently empty. Um in the report in the traffic engineer report it stated that there was

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going to be no significant impact on the adjacent roadways. Uh so can you sort of provide a little bit of testimony on why there's going to be no impact although there will clearly be more people expected at the site than there is currently? >> Yeah, more people expect at the site

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again than there is now. And again that's because of the vacancy. So, you know, trip generation is based on square footage. So, the square footage of the site isn't changing. So, the trip generation projections of the site aren't changing. Obviously, they're going to change based on what there are now because of the existing vacancies.

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But legally, the entire shopping center could be reoccupied back up to full capacity. So, compared with that, compared with this project, no change in square footage, so no impact of traffic. Good point. I do have a question.

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The loading dock that I'm seeing here, is it expected to for 18 wheelers or a smaller box truck? >> No, it's for 18 wheelers for track. >> So, where do you anticipate the only place that they can come to is uh at the top left as the entrance

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because uh I guess you would pull up straight that way and then back up to unload. Correct. >> Correct. And there is a uh circulation plan in the packet. It's sheet CP101. Um exa and that's the exact way the

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trucks would come in pull in front back into the loading dock and then they'd recirculate in the westerly portion of the site to then exit. Right. Cuz they can't can't make a U-turn to get to get back out. >> But that will be the only entrance for the 18-wheeler. They >> they that's the only way they can they

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can come in to back into the loading dock. Correct. >> Okay. Where would the exit be off of uh through the I guess it's not written shown on here but trying to think it would be to the right. >> So on on the truck circulation plan they

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come in they loop around the movie theater and then they go back out. >> Ah okay. >> 202 right turn on 202. >> No no it would be 202. No it would be 46. Why? So, [clears throat] >> yeah. I mean, or they could come in and

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go out. I mean, honestly, I think a lot of them would probably go in and go out 46. I know the plan shows it on 202, but I think 46 get the 287 a lot quicker that way. >> So, there's nothing there's nothing precluding you from going through 46. They can go out either way.

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>> Correct. There's there's adequate room throughout the shopping, sir. All right. >> One thing I will say about traditional retail deliveries, typically they're done off peak for efficiency. So, usually middle of the day when roads aren't as crowded. You know, obviously

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we know what these roads are like in in the morning and evening peak hours. So, uh, for efficiency, typically deliveries occur, you know, middle of the day when the roads aren't as crowded. >> Any additional questions from the board members? >> Yeah, actually, I'm still a little

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confused. I'm looking at CS100 to see exactly where the CS100 to see exactly where the exit would be for the turning radius for the 18-wheeler. So it CP 101 C >> has the has the truck circulation on it.

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>> Uh what number 101 >> Charlie >> you have my copy 101. >> You might need glasses. It's zoomed out a little bit. >> Okay. >> Oh my god. Well, well, mayor looks LRA,

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did did Kevin have did our traffic expert have any comments on the on the turning radius? >> Not on the circulation plan that was provided. We did request additional plans showing other vehicles. Um, but we had no objection to the plan that was provided. No comments.

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>> I'm quite familiar with his comments. If he's concerned about turn radi, he will he will call it out. So, >> okay. It looks like the only entry and exit is 202 not 46 based on >> we we've shown on 202 again I think we can show it on 46 too.

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>> We we don't anticipate any concerns. >> You'll just modify it to to provide updates. >> We could we can provide update plans with additional circulation. >> Well, despite the fact that it's not part of this application, when that apartment complex comes in, you're going to have to change that all this. I I I

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imagine as part of the application additional circulation plans will be included. >> Those items will probably >> right. So Mr. Wolson uh preaching the choir here knows this that you know if if that other part of that movie theater

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part does undergo redevelopment, they will have to provide updated plans and deal with whatever approvals were given here which may be in conflict with that one. They'll have to clear it out and I'm sure our board professionals will

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keep an eye on it. I'm sure they're taking copious notes. >> Absolutely >> we are. >> All right. Any additional questions from the member board members? >> I I do I just I just want to I'm harping

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on this a little bit just so I you know the low I see the entrance is from 202. It goes straight out. Mayor, can you just I know you're looking at a piece of paper. Just so that the that the gentleman also knows which one you're looking at. Which one which number are you looking?

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>> CP 101. >> Okay. >> CP 101. >> Charlie Paul 101. >> Yeah. So, that one it it shows it making a right in. >> Yeah. >> Pulling past the loading dock. >> Yep. >> Backing into the loading dock. >> Recirculating around the movie theater.

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>> I know it's a circulation that I want to walk through. >> Okay. CP 101. So it goes straight out it looks like around the movie theater. >> Correct. >> Completely circling the movie theater coming back straight out going past the loading dock on to 202.

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>> Correct. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> And making the left out to go back to route 46. >> And I'm I'm going to assume but I'm going to ask the turning radius. I can see making a right turn would be fine,

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but making a left onto a two. I guess if if you're coming in, it would be the same age as going out for the 18-wheeler. >> Correct. And we we show both. Typically the right turn is more restrictive. >> Um, one thing I will say and a reason why lots of times the tractor trailer

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deliveries occur off peak is obviously they need a lot more room to turn compared to a passenger car. And you know, we don't want to build all of our driveways excessively wide. So, um, you'll notice it does cross the double yellow a little bit on the swing. This is very typical of of shopping centers.

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Um, so really nothing out of the ordinary here. Um, and you know, in my professional opinion is, you know, has served this site in the past and will continue to serve the site sufficiently. >> Okay. the turning radius or at least the input output uh around the movie

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theater. You said you have another plan that you'll submit for route 46 down here. So that would only be behind restaurant A and B on that road. Correct. >> Yeah. And the purpose of that would just again just to show the truck turns from the from road 46.

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>> Okay. >> Question truck bed. >> Yeah. So I'm a little concerned about the um while truck is there in that area 18-wheeler the emergency vehicles coming in and out if there is a need be um

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>> yeah so when the truck is parked it's going to be completely within the loading dock so 24 ft aisle will stay clear >> right so what if the truck is actually moving there right and you know let's say it's coming back out or going to back onto a two and there are cars behind it and the emergency vehicle have to get in

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>> so if a truck is coming out there's cars cars and a so remember while that truck is coming out it's going to be it in its own lane so there'll be room for a you know emergency vehicle to come in >> yeah so again I'm not expert on that particular thing I don't know if the fire department has reviewed this and you know y

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>> yeah I believe I believe we got a report um we didn't miss wolfson didn't you indicate that there was something I did >> nor did we get something from the fire district >> yeah I couldn't find the letter area. I could

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>> No, they didn't send >> sewer environmental. >> All right. Well, we didn't get one from the fire. >> There was a a comment in the review memo that we would we should be working with the fire department on striping and for the fire lanes, which we obviously will do. >> I mean, that would that would be that

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would be reviewed and that would be part of code in order to, you know, every every development regardless of what they're doing has to meet standardized um state building code. in uh RSIS and whatever else they would have to do

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regulations that are outside of us. But what you're saying in response to Mr. D's question is that uh that you do not believe in your professional opinion the placement of the loading dock presents

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any concern about emergency vehicles traversing the site. >> That's correct. Didn't you testify that that you removing some of the spots back there? >> Correct. Yeah. So there's a number of uh stalls in the rear that are assigned for employees only.

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>> Um so as part of that loading dock, the aisle is being shifted which is necessitating the variance and then those stalls are being removed. Um so actually the minimum width you know we have two 12T lanes and then about minimum of 2.2 ft. So we have 26.2 ft is

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the kind of the pinch point. So again, certainly uh plenty of room to accommodate tractor trailers, emergency vehicles, etc. >> I'm not even going to pretend to be a traffic engineer. Um but just from a layman's point of view, and I've heard enough of testimonies, I mean, I know

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the operators here, but we don't know who the tenant is, but in general, from your expertise as a traffic expert, uh do these deliveries occur during prime time or does the operators of these facilities like to have it like off

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hours that that I mean you wouldn't come in there four o'clock in the afternoon would it? >> Correct. Yeah. The preference is off hours because again it's a combination of the operator as well as the operators of the delivery vehicles. So with logistics you don't want tractor trailers on their duration

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>> and the concern is very you know it's very valid. I mean you got 18 wheelers they're hard to get around. However it you know I would say just maybe we just focus a little bit on when they're here. And in general, I mean, I I'm not sure about the operations that are currently going on, but just again, from the

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countless applications I've heard, normally you just don't see them coming in at peak because it they'd prefer not to have to um compete with space with with existing c with existing customers. >> I agree.

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>> On that, >> have you been to the site? >> I have. Are you aware of how steep that road is going up into the back >> from 202? >> Yep. >> Do you as a traffic engineer foresee that there could be difficulty with that?

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>> I I don't foresee any issues. Again, just just to be clear, this area takes deliveries today, right? The there's existing loading docks behind these buildings. >> I'm not aware if they take it with 18 wheelers, though. That's the concern.

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>> Yeah. again. I >> Yeah, >> but you know there's a number of >> trucks. I haven't seen 18 wheelers in the back. >> Yeah. >> Uh, quick question on CP 101. You see where you have the truck drawn right in the middle with the wheels

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>> like 2 a.m. be a problem. >> You want to cheat and point >> right here. This truck. >> Yeah. So, we're talking >> No, no. Actually, my question is what is this line here? Is that a building structure? So that so the question is

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what is the area on the westerly the southwest corner of the building? That's another loading dock. >> That's a >> Yeah. And it's just striping there. >> No, no. I'm talking about not the striping. >> Yeah. You're talking about the the square that comes out. I think it's a

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that's a concrete pad, I believe. >> Actually, where's the >> I'm sure. Yeah, that's a concrete pad. >> It's just a concrete pad. >> It's flush at grade. >> It's flush. Okay. >> Not above grade. >> I'm trying to figure out how the truck is going to make exit on 46 based on

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because it looks like he'll have to come around and make a left there to go straight on to 46. >> We'll we'll prepare the truck turns and provide them for your professionals review. Can >> I add one thing? I I just like to add something. Matt, you didn't mention

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introduce yourself for the record. >> Brian Conlin again. uh the project engineer, civil engineer. So, talking about the 46 entrance, if you know this drive aisle here that leads out through the McDonald's to the driveway on 46, that's specifically 30 foot wide, bigger

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than the 24 ft drive lanes for the parking aisle. And you even see a little bit of a striping there at the modified curb line. That's for a tractor trailer to circulate the site if they do have to go out to Route 46. >> I think he was mentioning one behind the restaurant. There's also another road behind the restaurants

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>> coming in here >> right there. Yeah, that one. >> What's the question with that? >> That's if you can utilize that for your 18 to go out. So, one way in, one way out. >> Yeah, I don't see any issue with that either. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just one last one question.

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Uh >> Matthew Welch, back of the mic. >> Yes. On paper looks great. Practically if there is an issue with trucks getting in and out, extra difficulty backing in and out, going back and forth, where is the

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remediation at that point? Modifications to the site once everything is developed, once the traffic and stuff comes in. >> So, these are existing driveways that service the site today. So, right now, we're proposing to leave them as they are. True. if there are issues when

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tenants come in, um it's something that the tenant and the landlord are going to need to coordinate on and they might need to come back in. But again, one thing, one thing I will say, you know, the the design vehicle that was utilized in this, this is the title, we call it

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the title 39 vehicle. It's the largest tractor trailer. Yeah. >> per minute in New Jersey. Right. Not every delivery is going to be >> those large tractor trailers, but we like to design for that worst case scenario. It sounds to me that you're very confident that there aren't going to be problems by virtue of this lovely

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dot in the rear. >> Correct. >> Okay. Mr. Wolson, you would agree as a condition of approval if the board look favorably on this that um uh one of the Langden guys, there's multiple Langden guys here, but one of the Langden guys

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will provide updated uh traffic uh turning tables showing the 46 uh exit possibilities. >> Absolutely. Okay. >> Yes, we understand the concern and we want to address it. >> And I think just to clarify one more thing, uh I had it down. I forgot to ask

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you, Mr. Wilson, but I think you'd agree with me that it's a condition of approval that your uh team will work with board professionals about adding in those trees in that uh I'm calling it the walkway area. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. >> Any other questions?

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>> Yeah, I had a follow up on that same um emergency vehicle thing. Uh so I'm not as concerned when the truck is on the dock. That's probably okay. I'm more concerned behind when the vacant behind the vacant area where the parking spots are today and truck is trying to get out right right there where your finger is.

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Right. Truck is going to get out. Yeah. Cars parked the cars behind the truck and an emergency vehicle trying to get in. Right. I think I see it's like deadlock there. You know it's a jam there. So the the truck as as you'll see on CP 101,

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>> the truck utilizes the kind of that the hatched out fire striping to be able to back into it. So it's not there's no conflicts with the park vehicles when the truck is backing into the loading dock. >> The truck is right there where the parking is. It's trying to get out. His

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truck is going back out. >> Yeah. So after looping looping >> if he pulls out, right? So again, we have two 12-oot lanes, so there's room for the fire truck to come around just like in any other shopping center. Um, you know, I think the geometry that

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we're talking about is is fairly typical of most commercial uses. Um, no again, no different than if it was a two-lane roadway and the same thing can happen, right? Fire truck comes down, you stay at the side, you let the fire truck behind you.

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>> Yeah. But again in reality on those one of the parking spot that could be a you know big you know >> some big car or truck or type of thing is parked and truck is trying to get out and then there's no space to get. >> Again I appreciate the concern. I think that is why we're removing

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as many parking stalls as we could. >> Yeah. So no concerns in that area. I'm worried about the where that there about 10 parking spots are >> the area. >> The parking stalls over there. Y >> the the the good news is is that we're way over parked on this site. So if once

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it's up and running operationally, if there's a problem, we can remove some more parking spaces. >> And Mr. Wilson, I think you would also uh well, let me ask Mr. Walsh, but I think that those the those spaces in the location that they are are more than

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likely going to be employee uh spaces. So more than likely that those spaces are going to be easier to be controlled. uh functionally by the tenant and the uh and the landlord if there is a need to be more flexible with

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that area. That's certainly not an area that anyone would expect customers to park in. So if it's for employees, they can tell the employees, look, we're not, you know, we can't use these spaces anymore. So it's not it's not an issue in terms of uh that can't be resolved,

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>> okay, >> in in sort of a field way. So, but more than me getting convinced, I think I would like our fire department to, you know, sign up on that. >> Yeah. >> And one thing and just to echo the over the employee stalls, you have a lot less turnover on employee stalls than you do on

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>> patrons >> patron stalls, visitor stalls where they're coming in, they're picking up a sandwich and and leaving. So, >> and uh the updated uh turning tables will be reviewed by the fire department. >> Absolutely. >> Yep. >> Right. I got you.

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>> Thank you. >> Great. Any questions from the member public? >> No, I think back to Mr. Wilson. >> I already gave him my closing. >> Oh, you did? [laughter] >> No, no, no need to. >> We respectfully request an approval. All

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right. >> Motion or any any uh open any other further question comments from the board the board professionals before we take a motion? >> All right. Any additional questions from

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member of the board or me member from the board professionals at this time? I I do have one question and I don't want to belabor anything any further but >> you have a lighting plan here. >> Yes. >> Well, there's a lighting plan in here. Can I ask a question about the lighting?

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>> Of course. >> I mean, well, it's all and I'm not going to use the right terminology, but I hear a lot of people talking about >> Thank you. about the lighting. Um, is it is the light going to be facing down or are we going to have a lot of big

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breaks, a few sliding, >> which is not popular these days. >> Brian Conland back when the mic was on. Um, yes, there'll be cut off pictures basically do shine down. Yeah. >> Okay. That was really all. So, it'll be dark skies compliant

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>> and we will be also addressing or there are five or six lighting comments in the letter that we're going to comply with all of those as well. >> And council, I I think that the uh there are lighting comments that express those concerns about the brightness of them. They've agreed to, you know, that are

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professionals. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Any comment or a motion? >> Um, >> any comments? Well, I just for to help out council here if we can go to page page 11 just talking about variance

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relief. I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. >> Two. >> How's that? >> We talking about the we talking about the two variances we just >> Yeah. two variances because there are some items here. There are just just for the record, we did note four site uh

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site uh plan checklist waivers and we indicated as professionals we had no objection to granting them due to the nature of the application. Um it was about the scale it's supposed to be one and just for instance no more than 50 ft

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to 1 in they did 1 to 60. So these are minimal items. We just wanted to put that on the record. Um Mr. Colin, there's there's no accessory uh is there any accessory structures around? >> So there is

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sorry. So there is one uh building um structure I don't even know how to describe it. Looks like a big generator to me and I'll show you where >> I thought I saw it down by 202. That's correct. >> And I was trying to figure out the distance cuz it wasn't scaled. >> Right.

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>> And we did check that there is a structure right here that's fenced in. um as you're coming in off of the 202 exit that we've been talking about here in the back. Um but it does meet the it's an existing structure. Um we're not proposing it as part of this development. Um but we did look and it

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does meet the setback requirements as you indicated on your table. >> Yeah. So that is on the bottom of these may require so the testimony has been that they comply with the accessory setback. So there's not a variance needed there. >> Right. >> The maximum building height it's just

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because it wasn't on your table. I know that there's nothing above 35 feet. I just wanted to go on the record. >> 29 ft. >> Yeah. >> So, if you could just clarify that on your zoning table. Yeah. And that's part of our comment. And we've already gone over it. It looks like uh in l it looks

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like the uh gremlins uh struck again on this. Uh they they dropped our numbering on page 12, but the the the parking space requirement comment was based more in shopping centers. We've clarified that it's by use, so that's not applicable. And then we just had five

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comments about that we all agreed on as variances previously approved. And just going over my planning comments, they've addressed they did the testimony on item one um >> uh about the positive and negative criteria

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on page 12. There's a comment one. They've addressed and via testimony. Um they've addressed item two of the planning comments because we talked about confirming compliance with all items listed as potential variances.

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Um they've and that's that's about it. They've agreed with item three and four as Mr. Wolson said. So I just wanted to go over those testimony ones just so there's no gray area. They addressed it and now I turn it over to my colleague if there's any testimony thing in their

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comments that they haven't addressed. Uh I think I only have one. Any letters of interest or approvals by other jurisdictions? I know we talked about a lot about circulation under 46 and 202. Was there any submission made to the DOT? >> Yeah, to for all the ones listed in the

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letter all pended. Yes, we will and we'll forward them upon receipt. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Take uh take a motion. All right, we'll proceed for to take a motion, >> Mr. Chairman. >> List of uh amendments and compliance

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items. >> We'll do. Let's uh if you take a motion, a second, I'll give you the list. >> Okay. >> All right. It's a motion to approve application 2521 Fixmore 3081 Route 46 block for block

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411 lot 31.1 zone B-1. Preliminary and final major site plan for parking improvements, landscaped islands and interior changes accord as per listed conditions. >> Second and more.

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>> Okay. And uh the with regard to that motion, I'm sure the mover and seconder would agree with me that to amend their motion to include conditions of approval for working with board professionals with regard to the extra trees in the walkway area.

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uh turning table updates which will also be shared with the uh fire department. uh you've already indicated that you will comply with the uh board professionals review letter and uh will continue to interface with them and

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you'll uh also provide uh any updated uh communications between uh your uh application your applicant and the state or the county with regard to uh roadway uh access.

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>> Agreed. >> Absolutely. I knew you would. Okay, take a roll. >> Roll call. >> Yes. >> Dich, >> yes. >> Dinsour, >> yes. >> Hernandez, >> yes. >> Patel, >> yes. >> Shaw, [snorts] >> yes. >> Smith,

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>> yes. >> Motion passes. Congratulations. >> Thank you so much. We really appreciate it and we look forward to coming back uh again soon. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I always like telling Peter to get out of here. >> Okay. There's a motion to motion to

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>> motion to adjurnn. >> I think from here forward I think everybody >> not too bad een just got to make sure that >> he is not >> he is not John Ben. Okay. Okay. All right. I was so

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>> I realized it at the end. I said, "Oh, no." >> Don't give a big Thank you, Mayor. It was our surprise. weather.