How you doing? >> Council agenda town of Pipony Troy Hills regular town of Council meeting of December 16, 2025. Introduction posting a notice adequate notice that this meeting has been provided in accordance with the requirements at open public meetings law by following the notice in the office of the town of clerk and by posting the meeting notice on the voting board at the municipal building on
December 2nd, 2024 which remained posted since that date. A legal notice appeared in the daily recogn ledger on December 6th, 2024. May I please ask everyone to stand for the flag salute? >> Yeah. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it
stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> So she'll be good enough. >> Okay. Uh roll call. Mr. Hernandez >> here. >> Is that okay? >> Mr. McGrath >> here. >> Mr. Misella >> here. >> Mr. Neglia here. >> Mr. Karifi here. Also in attendance are
business administrator Jamie Cryan. Mayor Jamie Barbario. Township attorney Michael Avery. Municipal Clerk Coled Madden. Council President, we have a quorum. Can we begin? >> Yes, please. >> Okay. Um, upcoming meetings, you have January 6th, 26 at 7:00 p.m. Initially
is the reorganization meeting followed by the agenda meeting. Um, so the reorg meeting will begin at 6:30. Just a note. And then followed by the agenda meeting at 7:00. And then on January 20th, 2026 at 7 p.m. is the regular meeting. Moving
along to ordinances, second reading and public hearing. Okay. Ordinance 202526 bond ordinance amending bond ordinance number 202519 finally adopted by the township of the council of township prey hills in the county of Morris state of New Jersey on October 21st 2025 to amend the description of the improvements
referred to in section 6 A2 therein. The notice for ordinance 202526 was published in the daily record the official newspaper of the township for Troy Hills on December 4th 2025 and introduced at November 25th 2025 regular meeting. Motion to accept ordinance 202526 be heard in the second and final reading.
>> Motion second. Motion made by Mr. Enlia, >> seconded by Mr. Mucella. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Mr. Mucella. Mr. Neglia. >> Mr. K. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. Uh, public hearing. Can I please have a motion to open up the public hearing for ordinance 202526, please?
>> Make a motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Mucella. Who seconded that? >> Mr. Neglia. >> Mr. Neglia. >> Roll call. Mr. Nandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. >> Yes. >> You can't hear me back there. Hello.
[Music] Hello. How about now? Better. >> All right, we got to put this in the budget, man. Hold on. [Music] Hello. Hello. Okay. >> Okay. [Music]
Can we hear me? Can you hear me? Okay. Or no. Are we better? >> Much better. >> Much better. >> Okay. So, I'll do both. >> All right. >> So, uh motion by Mr. Mucella, seconded by Mr. Neglia for the public hearing on ordinance 202526.
Uh roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. >> Mr. Mella. Yes. >> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Karifi. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, the floor is open to the public on this ordinance only. You have 5 minutes to speak just for the general public. Uh the next couple ordinances
we're going to have public hearings. You can speak at the public hearing on this ordinance and then we'll have a public hearing, a public session for the public for any matter. So on ordinance 202526. Okay. No one. Motion to close. >> Close. Motion.
>> Motion made by Mr. Negrio. >> Seconded by Mr. Hernandez. >> Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mulla. Yes. >> Mr. Negria. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Kari? >> Yes. >> Okay. Motion passes. Whereas the above
ordinance was read in title on second reading of the hearing held thereon. Now therefore be it resolved that set orence be passed and a final reading that that notice the final passage of setones be published in a newspaper according to law. Could I please have a motion to approve? >> Motion >> second.
>> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Miss Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Mr. Marcella. Mr. Neglia. Yes. >> And Mr. Karifi. Yes. Motion passes. It's it's better now. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh ordinance 202527. Notice that
the township council of township precipits county of Morris state of New Jersey establishing 2025 salary ranges. The notice forward in 202527 was published in a daily record of the official newspaper of the township of Pacific Troy Hills on December 4th, 2025 and introduced at the November 25th, 2025 regular meeting. May I please have
a motion to accept ordinance 202527. >> Motion second. >> Motion made by Mr. Negria, seconded by Mr. Misella. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. >> Yes. >> Mr. Misella. Yes. Mr. Neglia. Yes. Mr. K. Pass. >> Motion passes. Public hearing. May I please have a motion for the public
hearing on this ordinance only? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Negria, seconded by Miss Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. uh McGrath. Mr. Mela. Yes. Mr. Neglia >> and Mr. Karifi. >> Yes. >> So, the floor is open to the public on
this ordinance only. >> Okay. Seeing no one, can I please have a motion to close? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath, Mr. Michella, Mr. Neglia, Mr. Kipi. Yes. Closed.
>> Uh, whereas the above ordinance was read entitle on second reading and hearing held thereon. Now therefore, be it resolved that ordinance be passed on final reading and that notice of final passage of set ordinance be published in a newspaper according to law. May I please have a motion to approve the resolution? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Negria, seconded by
Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. Mr. Michella. Yes. Mr. Neglia and Mr. Curry. >> Yes. Okay. Moving along. Ordinance 202528. An ordinance to the township council of township of Pip Troy Hills, Morris County, New Jersey, amending and supplementing chapter 20 chapter 329
section 17 sewer rental fees of the code of the township of Pipony Troy Hills. The notice for ordinance 20258 was published in a daily record the official newspaper of the township of Pipony Troy Hills on December 4th, 2025 and introduced at the November 25th, 2025 regular meeting. May I please have a motion to accept ordinance 202528 which
is heard in it final reading. >> Motion >> second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. >> Yes. >> Mr. Misella. Yes. >> Mr. Neglia. Yes. >> Mr. Kipi. >> Yes. >> Okay. Public hearing. May I please have a motion uh to open up the public hearing on this ordinance? >> Motion.
>> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Mr. Mella. Yes. Mr. Neglia. Yes. And Mr. K. Yes. >> So, the floor is open to the public on this ordinance only. >> Seeing no one now. Please have a motion to close. >> Motion. >> Second.
>> Motion to close was made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Mucella. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mr. McGrath, yes, Mr. Musella, Mr. Negria, and Mr. Karifi. Yes. Whereas the above ordinance was written in palent on second reading and hearing held thereon. Now therefore, be it resolved that set or be passed on final reading and that notice of final passage of set be
published in a newspaper according to the law. May I please have a motion to approve the resolution above? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. >> Mr. Mella, Mr. Neglia. Yes. And Mr. Kifi. Yes. Motion passes. Ordinance
52529. and an ordinance that attach a council attach hills, Morris County, New Jersey, amending and supplementing chapter 420 water to increase water rates and charges. Notice for ordinance 52529 was published in a daily record, the official newspaper attach hills on December 4th, 2025 and introduced at the November 25th, 2025 regular meeting.
Motion to accept ordinance 2529 which is heard in the second and final reading. >> Motion >> second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. um Mr. McGrath. Yes, >> Mr. >> Yes,
>> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Ki. >> Yes. >> Okay, the motion passes. Uh, ordinance 2020. Okay, that's done. Sorry. Can I get a motion open up the public hearing, please? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by
Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath, Mr. Mella, Mr. Neglia, and Mr. Kurifi. Yes. >> The floor is open on this ordinance only. Seeing no one, can I get a motion to close, please? >> Motion to close made by Mr. Neglia. >> Seconded by Miss Hernandez. Roll call.
Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Mr. Misella. >> Yes. >> Mr. Neglia. Yes. >> Mr. Ki. >> Yes. Whereas the above ordinance was written in title on second reading and hearing held there on therefore be resolved that the ordinance be passed on final reading that notice of final passage of generalness be published in a newspaper according to law. May I please have a motion to approve the resolution
for above ordinance 539. >> Motion >> second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez, Mr. McGrath, Mr. Michella, Mr. Neglia, and Mr. Karifi. Yes. >> Ordinance 202530. A notice that township uh a notice that the township of recipro
hills, Mars County, New Jersey, amending chapter 119 cannabis of the code of the township of city Troy Hills. The notice for ordinance 202530 was published in a daily record, the official newspaper of the township of Troy Hills on December 4th, 2025 and introduced on the November 25th, 2025 regular meeting. May I please
have a motion to accept ordinance 2530. >> Motion >> second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath, Mr. Reella, Mr. Neglia. Yes. >> Mr. Karifi. >> Yes. >> May I please have a motion to open up the public hearing for ordinance 202530, please?
>> Motion. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Miss Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. Mr. Misella, Mr. Neglia, and Mr. Kifi. >> Yes. >> So, the floor is open to the public on this ordinance only. Come on up, Mr. Hela.
Can you please tell me if any of our current of the current persons working for the township of Paripony are owners, beneficiary, shareholders or any kind of participant in these two businesses that
are being considered for opening um in Paripony. Additionally, are any of the unpaid elected or appointed officials or police officers to gain benefit from this company from these companies? And lastly, is Mr. Inglacino among the
beneficiary owners of any or either of these two businesses? Can you please tell me what the answers are for that? And I'll sit down. [Music] Yeah, I can say I don't believe Mr. Inglacino is the owner or have any interest in any of the cannabis
licenses. >> Okay. Um, anyone else? [Music] >> Oh, you can't call out from back there, sir. If you'd like, you could come up to the uh Okay. So, no calling out. >> Uh, motion to close the public hearing ordinance.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Neglia. Can I get a second? >> A second. >> Do you want to come up, sir? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, we won't close. Come on up. Just state your name uh for the record and you can go ahead and Yeah. 5 minutes.
>> My name is Dayu Jooshi. Uh my question is is the answer to that question that gentleman asked is that yes or no? I I didn't get it. >> I said that Mr. Lacino is not a member, a beneficiary, or anything of any of the cannabis licenses. Thank you.
>> You got it. Thank you. Sorry. >> Motion. >> Anyone else like to come up and speak? >> Okay, seeing no one. >> Can I get a motion? We need another motion since he came up. So, motion to close. Mr. Neglia and then Mr. Hernandez. Uh, roll call. Mr. Hernandez.
Mr. McGrath. Mr. Mella? >> Yes. >> Mr. Negler? Yes. And Mr. Karifi? >> Yes. >> Okay. Motion to close. of public hearings closed. Whereas the above ordinance was read entitle on second reading in a hearing held thereon. Therefore be it resolved that set ordinance be passed on final reading and that notice of final passage of set
ordinance be published in the newspaper according to law. Motion to approve this resolution. >> Motion >> second. >> Motion made by Mr. Hernandez, seconded by Mr. Neglia. Roll call. Miss Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes.
>> Mr. Mella. Yes. Bless you. Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Karifi. >> Yes. >> Okay. Ordinance 52531. >> Is Mr. Samaro going to come up and speak now before this? >> Uh, yes. Let's Okay, let's do that. Let's have Mr. Samero come up. Uh, thank
you, Council President. Mr. Samo, if you'd like to come up and speak and uh to the council members, if you guys would like to say something prior to your vote, what we'll do is we'll do a motion, a second, and then we'll have discussion. and everybody can speak and then we'll go into roll call.
>> Thank you. [Music] >> Hopefully this does this work? >> I I hear you but I'm biased. So, >> okay. Uh good evening everyone. Um we have a short presentation here this evening. It's just not myself speaking.
Uh we have our affordable housing planner uh that uh has a brief presentation uh to to follow what I say here. And we also have uh the court's special master uh who made herself available just to weigh in uh briefly
telephonically uh as well. And then we have our uh financial expert uh to do a presentation. And of course, we're going to be able to answer uh questions that that uh the governing body may have for us or instruct us to answer. Um, as uh
hopefully people know by now, uh my name is Mark Samaro. I'm the affordable housing uh council uh as well as the redevelopment council for the township. Um my role uh in those appointments was quite simple. uh to ensure that we are
engaging in responsible redevelopment and to responsibly handle our affordable housing mandates uh and work with our other professionals including our planner uh towards uh achieving plans that would have minimal disruption and
minimal impact uh with respect to our affordable housing obligations. Uh I think it's noteworthy and it's beneficial for the public to understand uh that affordable housing has been around a long time. It's been around since 1970. Uh our Supreme Court has weighed in.
There's been 50 years of litigation uh with hundreds of towns uh resisting affordable housing mandates. Not so much because they have something against providing affordable housing, but everyone has a concern with respect to the increased density that's associated
with it. and uh leading to overdevelopment and whatnot. And and certainly that was one of the charges that was uh placed upon me uh to make sure that we're working uh towards the least disruptive way to achieve
compliance with regard to our obligations for affordable housing as possible. Uh there's no silver bullet. Uh most people uh aren't in support of this. I know that the administration and the governing body wanted to resist
overdevelopment as best they can, but obviously we have our obligations to satisfy the law and that was the task that I was charged with balancing those two. Uh we're here today essentially to take steps to protect the township. Uh
we have uh developed a fourth round plan. Uh that fourth round plan involved a number of properties. One of those properties involves uh a request for a pilot that will be heard later on this evening. There's nothing new about that
property's involvement. That property was involved in the third round affordable housing plan. It's been involved in the fourth round affordable housing plan. Both of those four affordable housing plans involved a very transparent process that's set forth in
law. Uh there were public hearings with respect to that plan and at the time that that plan was adopted uh it was explained to the public that the properties that were included in that plan were included because they were the
least disruptive locations uh for a number of different competing reasons. Um so we have filed that plan. We have received a number of challenges to that plan. We have worked with the
parties uh that uh have been challenging us including fair share housing uh and we have uh come to a very reasonable settlement uh that did not increase the number of affordable housing units that
we were uh scheduled to provide. uh and uh our uh planner could certainly uh speak to that. Uh we're here today not so much for the pilot as we are to
con uh confirm uh that we have a settled fourth round affordable housing plan. Uh the courts have imposed a deadline on us of December 31st. That deadline is statewide. many towns or all the towns are going through a process in the 11th
hour such as what we're doing here. Uh and that wasn't a function of anything that I did or didn't do or this governing body did or didn't do. It's a function of what the legislation that was passed by the New Jersey legislature. Uh so we have planners and
attorneys and financial advisors all scurrying around multiple hearings uh almost every day appearing at council meetings like this for multiple towns trying to push through the plan so that we can make sure that we have what's
known as builder remedy immunity. Now why is that important? As I had indicated at the beginning, this is kind of a choice between the lesser of evils if if you so to speak. Uh our obligation to comply with affordable housing isn't something that
we could circumvent. But what we could do is we could pick the locations and designate where the development will occur in the way that it is the least disruptive for the township.
If we don't make that choice, then the court is going to make that choice. That's going to be made by a judge who's being persuaded by a number of developers that don't have a vested interest in this town. It's going to be made by a judge that doesn't
particularly know this town. uh and you open your door to incredible densities in locations that would be disruptive to a number of different neighborhoods, traffic patterns, could be disruptive to schools, a whole
host of things. So, you're if you know that you're going to face it, you're best off basing it on terms that you feel are better than what the alternatives would be. And in this particular case, that's exactly what we did. uh and uh we have chosen what is
the least in our opinion impactful option and clearly it was the least impactful option uh that was determined after public hearings. This has all been done. It's all been vetted. There's nothing new here tonight about those particular locations. Uh the one thing
that I can say is this. We have eight separate developers that are seeking to invalidate our plan and push upon us highdensity housing on eight different
locations. Uh because they are hoping that this plan does not go through and and get finalized. According to our best estimates, if the plan doesn't go through the way that we have adopted it,
we are looking at having to face development on at least five other locations, meaning at least five other neighborhoods in this township will be impacted by highdensity housing. The reason why the park site was selected
was because it was the least impactful site to neighborhoods. It's fronted on by two highways and it is tucked away. Now, you can't wave a magic wand and say that you're going to have higher density housing that has no impact on anybody.
This is a choice. You have to select and we did select the least impactful plan uh that we could. And and our planner worked very hard uh to get us there. Um
and uh it's certainly uh my position uh I know that it's it has been all the government officials that have been involved that it's certainly better the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know with this plan we know where it's going to happen. We don't
know where it's going to happen if this gets invalidated and we go to court and we have eight different developers arguing to the court why their site is better than the others and why they financially need a ridiculously high density of housing to offset the
expenses associated with them constructing affordable housing. So make no doubt about it. There's no silver bullet here. There's no secret formula. We don't have an argument to obviate an
obligation to provide affordable housing. We have that obligation. We're not going to go to court and persuade the court that we don't. And the obligation in this particular instance was quite significant and we know that. Um,
so we do have the special master from the court that could explain this. But before we have her speak to the public, I wanted uh to uh indicate that we have our planner that will follow and
provide an explanation as to what the alternatives are so that the public could actually see that there are real neighborhoods that would be impacted if the park development doesn't go forward, if it's excluded from the plan. Now, why
would it possibly be excluded from the plan? Well, the park development, the owners had uh informed us a few weeks ago, several weeks ago, uh that they could not financially afford to provide
the affordable housing that was allocated to their property unless they receive a pilot. And as a result, they provided a whole bunch of financial data to the township, which we had provided to our financial experts to analyze
the veracity of that information. They didn't take their spreadsheets and their proformas and their explanation as to projected rents, projected expenses, uh projected ex uh construction costs. They vetted everything out and as you
will see from our financial experts who's here tonight to explain uh the process uh to the public, the property would be compromised financially uh and does not financially pencil out to provide the required
number of affordable housing units unless it receives a pilot. Now, over the past several weeks, we have gone back and forth like every developer. This developer asked for the maximum pilot there is, the lowest pilot
possible. We pushed back and we pushed back repeatedly and we we negotiated a pilot that's better than what they were asking for certainly. Uh not only that, boy, almost sang there. Not only that,
we have achieved a pilot that will result in greater revenue for the township than what traditional taxes would have provided to the township without a pilot. So, this pilot, despite the fact, and I I can't stress enough,
this should be the preeminent concern resolving our affordable housing plan. We need the pilot to resolve our affordable housing plan. But that doesn't mean that it's all bad because the pilot that was negotiated is a pilot that puts us as well as the developer in
a better financial position and our expert will be here this evening to discuss that. So we do have good news with respect to the pilot that we really need to uh go forward with in order to settle
our affordable housing plan. Uh, I know that the decisions made by this governing body aren't easy decisions. I I I'm aware of the history with respect to uh the public's opinion of pilots. I'm aware of the public's opinion on
affordable housing. We can't do anything about the affordable housing. But what we can do is with the passage of a pilot, we could ensure that we have the least impactful affordable housing plan that our
professionals could come up with and that that that that they worked for. Um it's going to be a decision that's not easy one way or the other, but this would end litigation.
It would result in a financial benefit to the township and it would result in less confusion and problems for the township by having development in sites that you desire even less than where this is
going. Uh so uh we do have our planner here to explain what the options are, what the alternatives would be. I don't think that they're options. I think that the option is very clear. We should be keeping the plan the way that it is, but he'll explain what you're looking at if
it doesn't go forward. And we also have our financial expert here. Uh but before we do that, I think that I would like to bring uh our uh court uh master uh Kendra Lely uh and and just have her uh speak to this. I guess what I would like
to say is that we have had court and we have the semblance of a settlement. That is the plan that uh has been previously adopted uh with some uh a little massaging by
our planner that will speak to that. uh and the court had agreed to accept what is known as a conditional settlement conditioned upon us moving forward with the pilot this evening. If this pilot this evening does not go forward, we
don't have a settlement and I will be embroiled in litigation with eight developers and we'll see how that goes. I would much prefer that we settle. Uh, so, oh,
Kendra, how are you? >> Good evening everyone. >> Good. Um, >> can you hear me? >> Yes, I certainly can. The public can. >> Uh, have have you been listening in? >> I have. >> Okay. Uh, if you would illuminate the
the public as to what your position here is on this. >> Sure. Good evening everyone. My name is Kendra Lely. I am a planner in the state of New Jersey. Um I have been appointed as what's known as a special adjudicator in this particular case. My role is to
uh help with mediation uh as market indicated uh there are eight objectors uh including fair share housing center uh to the plan. Um and part we started I I think we started mediation sessions
probably about six weeks ago uh which was in accordance with the fair housing act rules and regulations. Um my ultimate job is to advise the judge who is a retired judge. Um they are known as program judges or program members. um
and their ultimate responsibility is to recommend a um the housing element fair share plan andor settlement uh to the what's known as the Mount Laurel judge. So that's the superior court. Um so my
role really was twofold. One is to uh work with mun the municipality as well as the objectors to come to a settlement agreement. Um and I have done that uh we've met several times over the last six weeks both with the program judge as
well as separately. Uh and then secondly is to review the settlement agreement uh and provide a uh recommendation to the program judge so that they can then provide a recommendation to the Mount Laurel judge where you will ultimately this town will ultimately receive what's
known as a um an approval a certification of approval of your plan and you would then have full immunity from any builders running for the next 10 years. the next >> 10 years. 10 years.
>> Uh so can you please explain to the public what happens if the pilot does not go forward this evening? >> Yes. My understanding of uh both through my conversations and the review of the settlement agreement and our mediation sessions is that if the pilot does not
go through and it's been made clear that the uh objectors um if the pilot does not go through there will be a hole in your plan and I'm sure the planner will be able to explo explain what that means. Uh but potentially up to about 180 credits
potentially even more than that. If that happens, what's known what will ha what will what will basically be the outcome of that is that you will not have a compliance plan meaning you will not be in compliance with the fair housing act. If you're not in compliance with the fair housing act at the point where the
judge has to make a recommendation which is by December 31st um there is a real a very true uh two pieces to happen. One is that uh you could have builder remedy lawsuits um filed immediately. you could potentially lose your immunity because
you don't you are not in compliance with the Fair Housing Act, which basically says you haven't met your Mount Laurel obligation or your affordable housing obligation. Um that is the uh crux of uh in this particular instance the the need
for the pilot to to pass in order for your plan to be compliant. Uh if it doesn't, then you would definitely this town would be open to uh voters revenue lawsuits. Okay. >> Uh, well, I certainly appreciate making
the time uh to uh explain that to the public this evening. Um, I don't Does any member of >> Yeah, I I have a question. So, so Kendra, just make sure I'm hearing you correctly. The state of New Jersey is forcing us to accept a pilot so that we
don't lose our immunity. Is that what you're saying? Did you negotiate that? Now, so the the state of New Jersey has created rules and regulations as to a law which basically says um here's your obligation. You have ways to satisfy that obligation. As part of your plan,
uh you have a project that requires a pilot. If that project does not receive that pilot, my understanding is that the uh the developer is is not able to to afford or provide an economic feed. The
project is not economically feasible in providing those affordable housing units and therefore would not go forward. That project does not afford uh you have a gap. You are not providing all of your affordable housing your required affordable housing units. So, it it
really is a um the the the reason for um losing immunity or potentially having to deal with builder's remedy lawsuits has to do with the fact that this particular developer, the park um developer needs a pilot in order to produce those
affordable housing units. Uh and so the state of New Jersey hasn't said you absolutely have to have a pilot. is is baked into your overall plan and you're utilizing um this particular development to take and I'm sure Ed can talk about
this but take a large part of your plan and satisfy those affordable housing units. >> So the state doesn't take into consideration timing. So in other words, this was thrust upon us first week of December. This court's just like, "Hey,
you're out. Tough." >> Yeah. Unfortunately, the Fair Housing Act has placed uh extremely tight time frames not on not only on but every single municipality that has filed a plan which is over 400 in the in the state of New Jersey. All all
municipalities need to have a recommendation by December 31st. And just to give everybody a sense of uh what has been happening, uh mediation sessions really didn't start until the end of September, beginning of October.
So we have negotiated uh for pretty much almost 400 municipalities over the last um 6 weeks to two months. Uh and has a large obligation to many developers. It was a
complicated case. Uh and so uh yes it has been a lot of work in a very very short period of time but that that time period that was thrust upon you through the fair housing act which is a law in New Jersey. >> So so Mr. Sorero, quick question for you, sir. You said eight developers are
are seeking to get on to our plan. If we at the end of this month have it set, those eight seeking cannot get on. There's no lawsuits that are going to surprise us in the new year with at one slip by, we have to accept it. Is this a closed door
>> if we settle? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> What about So, so this developer can't build their buildings, so they're going to force us to give them a pilot. How many other developments are in our plan? >> Ed would know it's better off six.
>> Six. Why can those six build or are they going to come and say we need a pilot too? And who's representing them? >> They they have no they have not asked >> I understand today but again is this going to be January then February then March. And if we get them out now we're going to be opening up our lawsuit again.
>> If the case is settled the case is settled. there are certain uh interm review periods that you have to uh comply with and and Ed could speak to that. Uh 6 months down the road I believe is the first one mid midpoint.
Um but they would have to indicate that they're not interested in the plan. So when you're negotiating this, you if someone's not asking for a plan, a a pilot, presumably
they want to make money and they know that they can make money. Different types of construction, different types of amenities uh have different expenses associated with it. Uh and the industry has a certain standard rate of return. Uh, and
I know that you you you're familiar with finances, but I'm saying this for the the general public as well. Uh, and unless there's a certain rate of return that a developer could achieve for a particular project and explain that to to funding sources, they can't get
funding for the project to move forward. That's why we have our own financial expert because I'm certainly not qualified to look at the numbers to see what works and what doesn't work. That's not my profession. uh and uh our professional went through it and verified that this isn't
providing uh well first off that the numbers that were utilized are credible uh and that uh the proformas do not sustain a financable project. So the project would not go forward and we were uh contacted
by the developer who had indicated that they're going to withdraw from the plan if they cannot get the pilot. Um, so, uh, we do know that we're going to have this hole and we do know, uh, that we have these other developers that are pushing for it. Uh, we've looked at
these sites for a number of reasons. both through the development of the the plan itself and then certainly after the objections were filed and we still concluded that these particular locations present problems for the township that are not
are less or non-existent with respect to the park site. When we came to that conclusion and our financial expert came to a conclusion that uh the pilot itself provided an economic benefit for the township, the decision seemed to be
clear. Maybe not easy, but but clear. Kind of like when you know you need open heart surgery. You don't want it, but you know that if you don't get it, you're going to have something worse happen to you. So, we feel that uh it's under all these factors that this still makes sense to do. And we certainly have
our planner here and our financial expert to expound upon what I'm saying. >> I have a question because I think this is very important for our residents to understand. Um, as we said, there's going to be if we don't this plan doesn't go forward, we have a deadline
of December 31st. That's our deadline. If this plan doesn't go forward, then it will probably most likely be remedy uh builders remedy lawsuits. But more importantly, Mark, can you explain to the residents that if we have the builder's remedies lawsuits and we don't come to settlement, but then all of a
sudden we lose our immunity, what impact is that on the township? >> Well, I I know of at least uh seven or eight builders remedyed lawsuits that would be filed immediately. >> Uh but it's also going to be an announced invitation for anyone else that wants property uh that they could
develop to come in. And then we're going to be forced to defend a plan which we obviously acknowledged doesn't satisfy all of our obligation for affordable housing. We're going to have to hurriedly try to come up with
plans that are the least impactful upon the township uh to resolve those claims and we feel that we already have selected uh those sites which are least least impactful. So, we know that we would be looking at some sort of
combination of sites that would be at to some degree more detrimental to the township than what we've selected already. >> But do we lose our um ability if I mean I'm talking if you lose your immunity to control our own planning and so on board? >> Absolutely. You have you have you have
no control over the nature of the project. We could go we could argue, but it's you're you're at the mercy of the court, which means they could be looking at densities that you don't want as opposed to town homes, which we have included in this plan. We could be forced to consider flats at higher
densities. Uh and we could be looking also at uh projects with less amenities than than what's being proposed. uh the plan uh that was uh produced and discussed at public hearings uh so far as these plans
are concerned was a pretty damn good plan for for parcipony. >> Thank you Mark. >> No problem. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you Mark. >> Okay. Um, so wi with that being said, uh, I would like to call Ed Snikas,
who's our planner, so that he could, uh, briefly talk about the plan and and more importantly discuss what we're looking at hypothetically in the event that the pilot didn't go forward and our, uh, settlement wasn't approved. Excuse
me for one moment everybody. The actual What the hell? It won't work on that one. >> It might be on the um the desktop. >> It's on the desktop. >> It might be, but if you your laptop will probably work better. >> I don't uh Kend, are you still on?
I am still here. Do you still need me? >> No. No. Thank you so much. I think that's all we need for this evening. >> You're welcome. >> Very much appreciate. >> Thank you, Kendra. >> She was attending from out of state. Yes. Thank you. I know that.
>> Yep. >> So, all the practice I've had throughout the high school has paid off. So, I apologize to everyone for waiting so long, but thank you for your patience. Uh, good evening. My name is Edward Snikis. I'm a professional planner with Burgess Associates. We're here tonight
as the affordable housing planner for the township of Paripony Troy Hills. This has not been a very easy process. Let me just explain that. Um, all along because of the Fair Housing Act, uh, New Jersey has had a very specific requirement for municipalities to
address affordable housing. and affordable housing comes with it uh obviously market rate units as well in order for developers to be able to afford to have densities so that they can afford to do affordable housing. In addition to that though in special
circumstances there's also reasons why you need a pilot in order for a development to happen and you'll see the financials in a moment with regard to that. But as Mark had mentioned a moment ago, what I have what I'm going to be offering tonight is sort of a whatif scenario. And it's not meant to be scare
tactics by any means. It's meant to be just the reality of what we're up against. And so we prepared a housing element and fair share plan uh back in March of this year and that we we went through the planning board and through the mayor and council in order to get
this plan adopted. And if we didn't adopt this plan, we would have had a situation where we would not have been able to defend our zoning. And in that situation, as was mentioned, you get a builder's remedy lawsuit as a result. And that is not a place where you want to be. Some municipalities have actually
chosen that route and they're regretting it now u because they've lost control of their zone. They lost control of their buffer requirements. They lost control of their actual site plan review requirements. So things of that nature come to uh fruition as a result. So what
we're looking to do is maintain compliance with the mandatory affordable housing requirements. And I just wanted to identify that specifically. So back in uh October of 2024, Department of Community Affairs was charged by the Fair Housing Act to
actually put together the need allocation to all municipalities. They went through a series of iterations with regard to that need and distributed that need amongst all municipalities throughout the state with the exception of urban aid communities. Urban aid communities were exempt from their
requirements. In those numbers, what was been allocated to Paripony Troy Hills is what's called a present need. You may hear that or see that in certain numbers. Present need has to do with current indigenous need. What are the existing number of units that might need
to be rehabilitated in order to maintain affordability? What was been projected is 138 units. We have no dispute. We have a program in place to actually help with rehabilitation of existing homes. What the court also excuse me what also was set upon us by Department of
Community Affairs is a is a need number called a pers perspective need number. It actually was 553 units. We were able to contest that number and actually challenge Department of Community Affairs through the court through our proceedings through the
court to bring that number down to 496. Wow. It's for still 496, right? So, unfortunately, that became our number, but at least it wasn't 553. We did bring the number down. I just wanted you to know that and the council was successful in doing that.
So, the fourth round plan, how do we address 496 units? As Mark Samo just mentioned a moment ago, we have seven projects in the fourth round in order to address the need in the overall affordable housing
regulations. You'll see two or actually three columns here on the right hand side. And you may not be able to read all this. I apologize uh probably due to the illumination in the room. But what you're seeing here are seven individual projects that we had to consider in
order to affirmatively address the 496 units. We did try to initially discuss the idea of going through what's called a vacant land adjustment because you only have so much vacant land in the community land that may be available or may uh present an option for
development. But unfortunately in that same aspect of the regulations, you're required to also consider sites that may redevelop in the next 10 years. So under that provision, we had over 15 individual developers requesting to be
in our plan. That's 15 total. That's a lot of interested parties being be included in your plan. So, we went through many different iterations to try to figure out, okay, what would be best to deal with this situation and to address the 496 because
we realized real quickly that we weren't going to get any relief from the 496 units. So, what we did is we looked at various projects where they were located and their positioning. And the next map that I'll show everybody, excuse me, let me just go to that map. I apologize too, you may not be able to see this very
well, but it's actually uh part of the report. And what you're seeing here in green uh that's showing up on the overall map are the actual locations of the seven individual parcels uh that are being considered for the plan. And if
you notice just distribution-wise that we tried to look at ways of distributing the units throughout the community because we didn't want to concentrate all the development on one side or one area within the community because we're trying to distribute the traffic, the
impacts, things of that nature in the overall plan. So that's what we did in the fourth round plan. I'm just going to go back a step real quickly. So when we look at park, it's also called Lannadeex. It was the former Landedex office park, but it's being called park
now. P A RQ. Uh when we look at that property, what does that property do for us? If you may know, uh some of that has already been redeveloped uh because there is existing multifamily there and town houses uh that are under construction. Uh that was approved under
the third round plan. It was a requirement under the third round plan to actually zone that property for 120 units. So what we also looked at was okay there are existing office buildings that are there those those office buildings and the rest of the office market has become very very soft many
people are working from home many people um or many of these businesses don't need as much square footage of office space and paripany fortunately and unfortunately is a mecca for a lot of office uh development because of route
80 and 287 it's been developed over time in that manner So what we had done is to look at the park landedex project and they came to us with a proposal. Their proposal was much more than what we've uh agreed to in this plan. But at the same time their
proposal was something where we saw a town center sort of a smaller town center area that would benefit the community if we were to allow additional development to occur there. So we did so we included them in the plan for another 120 affordable units. If you also notice
there's a bonus column that central column that bonus column is a fact that's allowed by the rules by the fair housing act that if you do certain types of development scenarios within your community you can get certain bonuses associated with them. If you notice we
get we're getting 60 bonus credits for the park landedex. The reason for that is because it's involved in redevelopment. So we essentially are applying 180 credits the 120 plus the 60 or 180 credits towards the 496.
That's important to consider as we look at well what would be the scenario if in fact that did not happen. Um the next slide you'll see there we go. Uh this just shows you the deficiency that if we zero out those
columns what would that be deficient uh in the overall plant? you would be deficient by 120 credits. And the reason why I say it's not 180 is because you can distribute those bonuses to other projects as a result. So I wanted to be clear, I'm not trying to use numbers to
scare anybody with the 180 compared to the 120. The 120 would be the real effect. So how would you deal with that 120 units? uh if you didn't have it in the plan. Obviously, I just showed you this map which shows you the distribution, but these are all the
interested parties that are also contesting our plan all over the map. So, what we have is a number of parcels that are located in the the the southwesterly area closer to Route 10 in the landedc, excuse me, in the former
Mali corporate business campus. You also have other areas that are up off of Cherry Hill Road and you have other locations as well over in the northeast of the area along Smith Road. So that is just something to be considered in the big picture. So what was I was asked to
do is okay Ed from these parcels how would you solve for that 120 units missing from Parklandex? If you see the red uh zeros that's just showing where Parklandex was providing 120 credits. What we would do is all the areas in
yellow are now coming into the plan. They now become part of the overall number of units that you have to consider or locations that you have to consider which is now at 11 from seven. So you can see how this affects the overall layout. I'm sorry, it's actually
10 because I left park in there, excuse me. But if park was not part of this, it would be 10 projects or 10 areas that would be involved. So even in that scenario, what we'd be looking at is actually bumping up some credits for certain other developments as well. So we would need to consider
things of this nature. And this is not the definitive plan. It's just intended to give you some information tonight um for your consideration. And so many of these developments, if I go to my next map, would show up within this whole distribution of of projects that I
thought I had distributed throughout the community. And you can see certain areas start to get concentrated with other developments. And I that is something that I was trying to avoid. We were trying to avoid as planners for the overall community. But yet that would be the sort of scenario I would have to
start looking at if in fact we didn't permit this project uh through a pilot program. So with that that summarizes my presentation and I would like to hand it off to uh the financial expert for you. Um your information is on there.
>> Okay, you got it. No worries. Just bear with us, guys. I've got to transition this. >> Is it on that USB? Okay. >> So, Ed, >> yes. >> As the planner, can you answer the question I asked earlier? >> Can you repeat the question? >> Sure. So,
what's stopping the other developers from asking for a pilot? And what's the time period that they could ask that? And what would it be shut off at? I wouldn't say there's a time period. I would say we get approval of our plan and the plan is set in this manner. So there is no pilot being considered for
other projects. They all they all showed us through their submissions that those projects were realistic. >> So So there's no possibility they're going to come back and say, "Well, you know, we're going to pull out if we don't get it." >> Can I never say never? I I No one can say that. No one can ever guarantee that, especially in this landscape right
now. uh unfortunately with the Fair Housing Act the way it's been written and and amended by the way and that comes from the state legislatores. That's not something this this township had anything to do with. So bear with me a second. >> Find that file. >> It should work.
>> One thing that I could actually add add to that to Councilman is this. Uh if you go through the midpoint review and you know that one site isn't particularly >> okay. If you go through the midpoint review, that's the next time that you look at it and if people end up
indicating that they're they don't want their they're not going to develop the site, that wouldn't result in a loss of immunity. It would require us to replace it with another site at some point in Yeah. at that point in time. So, it isn't the same impact that what we're
facing now. If if this at uh if this pilot is not granted at this point in time, our plan will not be certified. But if at some point in time it's going to be modified, it could be modified with a replacement without losing certification.
>> All right. >> That's similar to the Kmart property. Oh, not Kmart. Yeah. Over here in Shopright. Those units never go away even though they backed out of building the affordable housing. >> Well, that's the third round
>> to some extent. That's an allergy. Okay. Council President, real quick, Mark, um, if someone does say that they can't build and they ask for a pilot, the answer can be no, >> absolutely. And then the answer can be
and if they cannot go through with it then there's other objectors and other properties that may be entertained at that time at the halfway point or or anywhere uh uh uh you know after this is done
>> and not be shoved down our throat either. Right. It wouldn't be with a threat of losing our certification. >> Yes. That's >> and and that's the big difference here. We would still have immunity. We may have to do a massage but it wouldn't be losing immunity.
>> Uh thank you. My name is Michael Hamley. I'm from NW Financial Group. I have been working with the team to and against the developer to come to the place we are today presenting the financial agreement to be adopted.
Um, you know, what we have here is going to represent about a half a billion dollar investment in your municipality. And that's important both because of the affordable housing needs, but also
because growth helps municipalities. Not having growth requires revenue that and your costs increasing every year. It requires those costs to be borne by existing taxpayers. So the
reason that municipality municipalities care about growth is to relieve the burden of the existing taxpayer. But getting half a billion dollar investment requires a return. People don't spend that kind of money on
projects in order to lose it. they expect a certain amount of money to be recouped in order to cause a project to move forward. In a conventional tax scenario, you know, two very important metrics that we look at here are a net
project value, which is determined by taking the net operating income and dividing it by a cap rate. In this case, we used 5% produces a project value of 423 million. Now, that's not good if
you're investing 500 million, right? Like you you'd like your investment to be worth more than you paid for it. Uh you also take a look at the yield on cost, which is determined by taking the net operating income and dividing it by
the total project cost. In this case, it would be 4.65%. 65% that is below treasury rates. It's below risk-free investments. This this is a project that will go on
over 10 years, have significant costs and risks related to rent related to construction materials, labor, etc. And people expect to get a return that is better than 4.5% on their money.
What happens is when the tax burden is reduced from conventional taxes to a pilot, in this case it starts at 10.75%. The pilot
makes the project feasible. It converts the negative net project value into a slightly positive net project value and it increases the yield on cost to about 5 1.5% by 61 which is still low. It is
not an excellent rate of return but it is a financially feasible project under these terms. So then >> all right we're back. Um so this is a look at what the town
will see what the municipality receives from this project and you can see along the left side there's a percentage of AGR that is a acronym for gross revenue. So this project will pay a percentage of
their revenue to the municipality. You become in fact a partner of the revenue stream and it's the gross revenue. Nothing is deducted from it. The developer will be audited by a licensed accountant and provide a a full
audit from a CPA that says exactly what their revenue is on an annual basis. and we'll have to pay that amount to the municipality. In this case, the initial gross pilot, now this is aggregated for the whole
project. It won't actually all come in at once, would be $4.6 million. What is special about pilots, and I think many of you know this from prior presentations, is the way the revenue is
split. Instead of coming in and being a portion to each taxing district, this money is going to be received entirely by the municipal budget. 5% of that money is going to be sent to the county
as the statute requires and there will be a 2% administrative fee on top of the pilot that is paid. So, this project will produce over $260 million in revenue over a 30-year
period. >> Mr. Hanley, quick question on that. Is that based on 100% occupancy? So, if it's 30% occupied, would it be less? >> Based on 95% 95% occupancy. Yeah. So, there, you know, as a practical matter, there will be like a first year lease
up. usually takes like 12 to 18 months to lease up projects of this size. >> Is there a minimum requirement? >> There is. They always have to pay at least as much as they were paying before
the project received the pilot. >> What's that number here? >> Um the it'll be broken up by site, but the total number is pretty low. It's like 360,000 in land taxes. Um,
now we show this because this is something that everyone asks to see what a pilot looks like versus what conventional taxes look like. But it's for it's here
for demonstration. is not a reality that we are here because the project does not work at conventional taxes. But in order to demonstrate how a pilot works and what the differences are, we
provide this as a slide. So the $269 million of the gross pilot which is paid over 95% of that revenue is coming to the municipality
which turns into $239 million. A conventional tax scenario would produce $386 million total dollars, but the municipality would only receive about $105 million of that.
>> So, Mr. Hanley, just a quick question because I want to make sure I have the right verbiage. Once you're in a pilot, you're out of the ratables. You're no longer considered a ratable in the traditional tax. >> You are exempt. >> Okay? >> But it doesn't mean you pay zero. You are paying
on the financial agreement that is being signed here. So, initially they'll be paying 10.75% and then in the later years it gets up to 15%. And that is a contractual obligation that exists for
the term of that agreement. And like one of the strengths of that obligation is you never have a tax appeal which as a town who has you know enjoyed great benefits from office buildings for many years. You also have a lot of
experience with tax appeals and how harmful those are to municipal budget. >> It kills the ratables. Yeah. >> Correct. Um this was a staging of the project so you can get a a sense of how the revenue
might actually come on. Um the there are this assumes they'll be it'll be built in four phases um about 2 years apart. So that as each phase gets completed and lease leases up they'll be building the next phase. And
you can see the revenue streams are basically proportionate. They're similarized buildings and expected to be similarized buildings. Um now we go to one of our favorite topics, right? School children and the
way that schools are funded. Um the first question is always how many school children will there be? Now, Rutgers has studied tens of thousands of units across the state over decades and developed
multipliers that identify by unit type and by income type how many uh school public school children >> you can expect to come out of each unit type. Using those multipliers, this projects to 151
public school children. Um the what we've done for this exercise is take the total cost of classroom instruction multiply it by the municipal
contribution the levy contribution to that um to that cost because there are other types of revenue that come in state revenue federal revenue etc. to identify
what the total financial impact would be if children were actually an incremental cost good. I mean, I would make a case to you that they are not. That both schools and government are primarily a
toll good and they're very expensive to open your doors on January one. But that incremental movements in residents and school children don't actually produce a
proportionate share of additional cost. The it is the cost of administering setting up having the capital and is pretty consistent regardless of small changes in the number of students. And I
think one way to kind of take a look at that is you have a declining school population and an increasing school budget, right? And that is a reflection of the fact that it's really the base cost is high and goes up regardless of
the number of children that happen to be in the seats. But you know, if we take this to be true and there there actually is a $1.6 $6 million incremental cost of those students. That still means there are $3 million
extra dollars coming into the municipality that won't have to be raised from you as the existing taxpayer. Um, now this slide is not has nothing to do with the residential. This is the second financial agreement you're
looking at today. and that is related to an industrial piece of property 100 thou 140,000 ft warehouse. This is a unique proposal in so far as there is no discount from
conventional taxes on this proposal. They are proposing to pay exactly what conventional taxes would be. And the reason they're willing to do that is they want certainty. It helps
with lease up. They believe it will make it more attractive to tenants to know that they're not subject to wild swings in assessments or revaluations or changes in values that are out of their control. They can tell
a tenant they're going to pay based on their revenue stream on an annual basis. But it starts at 622,000 which is the uh current tax number and it sets the percentage of gross
revenue based on the expected gross revenue at 26%. And will act the same way that the other pilot acts. It will continue to you will continue to receive revenue based on what's actually collected at the site. and it's starting
at what is conventional taxes. So, the benefit again is those dollars are going to come to the municipal budget to assist you in um managing your cash flow. >> Mr. Hanley, that's the town's portion of
the budget or 100% conventional taxes. >> 100% of conventional taxes. And that's again based on them being what percentage utilized? >> Well, it's it's a single. >> So, this is always going to be the same
growing year-over-year. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. Do you guys have any questions for uh Mr. Hanley or any of the presenters? Thank you, Mr. Hanley. Okay. So, at this time, uh what I would
like to do, uh for ordinance 202530, uh I'd like I'm going to go ahead and read and then when we do a motion in a second, we'll then before we go into roll call, we'll do some discussion and every council member if they have something to say, you're more than welcome to do so. Or if you need to
discuss, we can we can do that as well before we go into roll call. Okay. Okay. Ordinance 202531, ordinance to the township of Cip Troy Hills in the county of Morris authorizing the execution of a financial agreement with Park Urban Renewal LLC granting a tax exemption
with respect to that certain property identified as block 392 lot 1.01 1.03 and 1.04 in accordance with the long-term tax exemption law NJSA4A 20-1 at SEC. The notice for 202531 was
published in a daily record. the official news of the attach of Pacific Troy Hills on December 5th, 2025 and introduce the December 2nd, 2025 meeting. Can I please have a motion to accept the ordinance? >> Motion. >> Second. >> I have a motion from Mr. Neglia and a
second. Roll call. Miss Hernandez, we're going to we're going to do the public hearing and then we'll get into your discussion. and we'll let the public speak first and then we'll get into your discussion. Okay. Um, so Mr. Nendez, >> yes.
>> Mr. McGrath, >> no. >> Mr. Miscella, >> yes. >> Mr. Neglia, >> yes. >> And Mr. Karifi, >> yes. >> Okay. So, um, four yeses and one no. Okay. At this time, I'd like to open up a motion uh for the public hearing for
this ordinance. Please make a motion. >> Second. Motion made by Mr. Mella seconded by Mr. Neglia. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mella? >> Yes. >> Mr. Neglia? >> Yes. >> And Mr. Kar? >> Yes.
>> Okay. So, now the floor is open to the public. Uh, please state your name when you come up and you have 5 minutes to speak. Come on up, Mr. >> U. Nick from Hayawata. What happened today should have happened weeks ago. And I felt like we were in a court.
We're being intimidated. We are in Highland's conformance. Highland's conformance, his legal shields against developers lawsuits. And in a case like this at a lame duck
session and a rushed pilot out of nowhere and we're just being briefed here now. We don't know who that who that woman was there. She sounded like she was threatening us. This borders on
some type of corruption. I would take we've met everything we're supposed to do. Why would a developer develop anywhere he feels like or outside the zone? Precipany has set themselves up for this
because we're overdeveloped in need of redevelopment. Why would uh we would even need Mr. Schneiker said a vacant land adjustment in precipit. We have plenty of land available for the
affordable housing. And we also have a water problem. So, they're going to pay over more and and uh injure our water supply even more. We have the highest water deficit in the watershed. But these legal shields,
and I think we would win, they're not suing Precipany. They're going to have to sue the state of New Jersey for this lastm minute pilot deal. It sure smells like corruption to me. And like I said, we should have been hearing about this a
long time ago. And like I said, this is not a courtroom, but they're trying to turn it into one. And I would I would say no to the pilot. And rent is unearned income by by these developers.
I'm sure they have plenty of money. They're just thinking about how much more money they want at our expense. >> President uh let them let the public speak first. >> Okay. She touched it. Sorry. Um Allison Kogan.
I am the president of the board of education and I am here speaking as that. Um the ordinance you are voting on tonight could produce over 400 students into the schools. That's over 400 students that would not be accounted for in our revenue budget since the 2% cap
will not will be the same with or without those 400 students. This is on top of the incredible burden on the board caused by past residential pilot agreements which which is why we have been trying to work on a revenue sharing
remedy with the township for the past two years. Unfortunately, those efforts so far have been unsuccessful. The proposed financial agreement that is the subject of the ordinance was not made available to the public for review prior
to this public hearing. There's also no evidence that the financial incentive of a pilot is necessary to redevelop under the existing redevelopment plan. Voting on this pilot tonight with no opportunity to review the underlying financial agreement ahead of time and
without any revenue sharing agreement with the board in place is improper, premature, shortsighted and is not in the best interest of the residents or the students. I also have two questions. Will these presentations be available to the public? and how many of the other
developers will still develop in Paripony but not be counted in the affordable housing plan. Thank you. >> Uh I'd like I'm going to make a statement. So I'm sure most of you do not know this
because the board of ed wasn't going to let you know that. But well over a year ago, the developer was going to give land to the board of ed down in Park in this location, free land, and there
would be pilot money that the town would contribute to build a brand new school down in that location. Okay, brand new school, state-of-the-art down in that location. and the administration was
willing to use pilot funds, revenue to assist in building that school, a brand new school, but that hasn't been let out there. So, I would hope Mr. Cahill and Mr. West Hovven, wherever you are, uh, you have that. Also, recently, the administration
made an offer, they originally made an offer of $10,000 per student. The board of ed said no. Then they made an offer of $12,000 per student from any of the from this location, from this pilot. The board of
ed still said no. According to the numbers that were just given of 151 students, they said that that would cost about $1.6 million. Well, 151 * 12,000 comes out to $1.8
million, more than the 1.6. Okay. So, for anyone that's here that's saying, "Oh my god, the board of ed is going to raise their budget 2%." They send us the bill in January. We pay it no matter
what. This was extra money that would have been turned over from the town per student for every new student at that pilot location. Or again, over a year ago, it's a fact. They were offered the free land and there was going to be
pilot money that was going to be used to pay towards a brand new school. The board of ed said, "No, we want money." So then the mayor offered them $10,000 and they still said no. Then the mayor offered him $12,000 per student and they
still said no. So we're there right now. They wanted more and more and more money to where the town would have actually lost money. So when if there's anybody here that was concerned about your school taxes and this and that, you're going up 2%. Cuz
that's their cap. That's what they're going to ask for. And the town is going to pay that. This pilot money was going to be extra money that would go to the school board. Extra money on top of that. And they still said no. So just
wanted that out there for anybody out here that was wondering about your schools. There it is. And if I can I um um mayor go ahead. >> I'd like to add to that because um I have been negotiating. I negotiated with the former president was Andy
Chafo. So they had an ad hoc committee meeting with regards to capital projects where the township could really help out with their capital projects when it came to pilot money. They gave me 12 projects that they wanted me to review and see. First is
little little project phase 2 and phase three. 2022 architect estimated phase 2 to be 6,413,000. Phase 3 for a new gymnasium 6,63961.
I'm going to give these figures to you for a reason. Pipony High School P AES lab funding future special education and classrooms 2023 architect estimate was $54,000. Replacement of windows at both PCB High
School and Brooklyn Middle School. 2024 architect estimate Brooklyn Middle School replacement was 3,320,000. Pipony High School partial replacement was $1,838,000. I'm rounding off here. Mount Taber and
Littleton partial roof replacement 2024 architect estimate Mount Taber was 1 million7519 $751,000. Littleton school was $255,000. Brooklyn Middle School roof replacement
to be determined. Book Middle School generator replacement to be determined. Troy Hills and Lake Paribony upgrade generators to be determined. Parking lot expansion to be determined. Renovation of locker rooms at bathrooms are at the
high school. Now, I went to the Pacony High School and I looked at that locker room. It was a mess. They should be ashamed of themselves not to even to maintain that over the years. I went back to 1975. That's exactly what it looked like. The 2018 architect
estimate for Pacony Hills High School six restrooms was $1,586,000 Hills High School boys and girls locker rooms $1,845,000. Permanent bathrooms and locker rooms facilities at the high schools to be determined. Acquire a building for a
potential school. Mr. Griefy, you descend. Turf fields for Pivy High School, varsity baseball. This would include new drainage systems. There's no price on that's to be determined as well. Asphalt and paving 500,000
yearly. Everything I just mentioned. Now, out of the 12, we only got seven estimates, was $24 million, $819,87 that the town would have used pilot money to help them out.
But no, they wanted a certain amount of money per pupil. Like council president said, I offered them $10,000. Then I offered him $12,000. If you don't want the money, I'm fine with that. We'll keep the money. Okay.
Now, today I received a an email, not an email, a message from a friend of mine with regards to a gentleman that has circulated something. So, everybody come here tonight, which I'm glad you did. I'm actually very
happy that you came here. A non board of ed member post. Um impact on student population when it comes to pilots, there's none. There's none. You know where you get your school population from? The Mount Laurel act. The Mount Laurel is the affordable
housing. Pilot or no pilot. It's the affordable housing that we are obligated obligated by the state. We sued fair share housing. Well, we sued the state for imposing such drastic measures on
the township and we lost. We appealed it. We're going to continue to appeal it because don't get me wrong, there's a lot of units coming to the township. Impact on the budget to the town. It would be on the town to build up roads.
Well, a pilot and coming in increases the amount of money that we receive. Your roads will be paved. Your your police department will be funded. All these things will happen. That's the whole idea. Now, and you know, council Councilman McGreth made a good point
before. Yes, a pilot comes off the raidable, but what happens to that ratable? That ratable gets a tax appeal. And what what makes me upset more than anything is that the school board wants to share on the amount of money that we receive, but they don't want to share on
the amount of money that we lose. And we lose a lot of money to tax appeals. I'm only printing these out because I'm glad this gentleman put this out tonight because it's tr truly important. Why not push back on politics and work with the judge for an extension cuz no
judge is going to give us an extension. Our extension is December 31st of this year, we don't comply and we lose our ability to maintain our planning and zoning, you're going to see a lot more building and parcipony because it's not us that
decides. It will be the gentleman that's wearing or woman that's wearing the black robe. That's who will decide how much will be going into the township. Why are we not bringing residential buildings? Why are we just bringing residential when we're not? You have 21 vacant office buildings in this
township. 21. And that's going to increase over time. Why? The economy. The effects on the economy are the effect on the township. Those buildings. Now, I grew up in town. And I remember when those buildings were being built, credential track, all those
areas over there, those properties are worth a lot of money. Well, they're not worth the money per square footage that we that we would like them to be worth. And that's why our ratables are taking a beating because once the economy dictates and we have to somehow adjust
to it. So, what do we do? We ignore the fact that we don't want to take any pilot money. We want to do this and that. Well, guess what? They're going to go in for a tax appeal. And when they go in for that tax appeal, they're going to most likely win that tax appeal. If you have $2 million in tax appeals that you
lose, times that by the rate, and that's the amount of revenue that you lose in a year, that can bring a 2, three, 4% tax increase to you. I tried to work with the board of education and I I'll be totally honest with you when I continue to hear
that pilots affect them and this and that. Like council president said, they're capped at 2%. Pilot or no pilot, they get their money. We don't we don't get our money. We won't be able to
police the town. We won't be able to do the things that we need to do here. And that's what's important. Not everything's going to be a pilot in this town. Absolutely not. But I've been to I was a business administrator and I saw how a town when they lose their immunity, what can happen to that
township? Listen, this is bipartisan. This is not an easy decision for these council members to make. It's just not. but it's forced down their throats not by a developer but by the courts by the state of New Jersey who somehow had the
foresight in 2024 to say you better have a plan ready by 2025. Okay, there was a timeline ed January 31st we had to have some sort of a plan ready. It had to be approved by the council by June 30th of 2025. And as you
know now, by December 31st of this year, our plan better be in place because if it's not in place, you know who's going to pay for it? The residents are going to pay for it. They're going to have to flip the difference in the tax money that we lose. This isn't an easy decision, but I was more than willing.
And when I sat with the council president, Andy Chafel, you know, it's an old saying for Ronald Reagan, it's better to get a half a loaf of bread than none. Well, obviously they don't want any loaf of bread. They want it all. And when we did the numbers, there's no way we're going to get into an agreement with anybody. Doesn't
matter for the school when they get 67% of it and we only get 40 something, 30 something, 33% of it. That's not going to happen. That's not good management. Tried to find common ground. I thought I found common ground. I didn't. They don't want the money, then they don't
want the money cuz the township will take the money. We'll we'll continue to build our township up the way it needs to be built and continue to fight this affordable housing. Listen, people need to live. I get all that. They need we need some affordable housing in the town. But a town like Parcipony, it's
massive. And the reason why I say that when you have 20 vacant office buildings, what's that mean? Those sites are going to be eyed for housing. Okay. Now, and the other question was, why not bring data centers in? I would hope they would come. I hope those down shutters
will come here so they can take those vacant buildings that you see across the street. There's five of them and they're pretty big pieces of property. And then you have Windham Hotels who knows when that's going to go. I don't even know how much more Route 202 can handle. So
if you move where Park is and you move that over to that side of town, it's just going to be crazy. Nobody want I I get it. Nobody wants this. But when it's forced down your throat and when you have the courts threatening you, threatening you that if you don't do
this, this is what's going to happen to you. That's why this decision for these individuals up here tonight is going to be very difficult. And I applaud them. I understand. We need to move forward and we need to not lose our immunity. That's the most important thing because once
the judges, not the judge, once the courts decide park, I guarantee it'll get another 150 units and all the other one across the street here, they'll get another 100. Why? Cuz we have no control over it. We have no control. Thus don't lose our control.
>> Okay. At this time, any other member of the public? Come on up, sir. Come on. You can come on up. And at this time, we're going to limit uh any any comments from the >> said limited me. We'll get limit comments from the council to allow the public to speak unless it's something very imperative. This way we can get
through the meeting. Okay. So go ahead sir. >> Thank you. Uh again my name is Tayu Jooshi. Uh I just have a couple of questions. I don't have any comments. Uh my understanding is that if we don't adopt the plan then these developers can
sue us. What is the merit of their their their their case? like have we compared those numbers with the other firms you know I mean if they say oh we need x amount and we say well we're going to give x minus this amount is that x
amount valid do we know that >> well wait all questions >> have other questions >> well the other question was why do we have such a big discrepancy in between the expected number of students 151 that we saw in the presentation versus what the lady from the board of ed told us
400 One has to be wrong terribly. >> Well, I I here's here's what I'll say and I'll let Mike go after that. First and foremost, our our goal is to to approve the plan by December 31st cuz
that protects the town further down from even if we do get sued like um Mark Samaro said the attorney or for a redevelopment attorney that we're in a stronger position. As for the the pro what the school uses for their data and what we use uh I think it's the Ruter
study. Am I correct? We use the Rucker studies which is pretty common study that towns use to determine the amount of school age children. I don't know how to get to that number but that Ruter studies is the one that most townships use that I know. I know we used it when I was administrator in three other towns
that was was used and it's pretty accurate. I mean I've noted it was pretty accurate. I don't know here but you know but at that point I mean that would be for him to answer but I think that's really pretty much we use the Rucker study. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Now there's a blasting study too.
>> Okay. Um >> but it's the same. Okay. It's the same. >> Okay. So any you Thank you, sir. >> All right. Come on up. State your name for the record, please. Thank you. >> Good evening. Nicole Delip. I'm a resident but I'm also a current board
member which is appointed in July. So I haven't been privy to all the information for the last couple years as a lot of the board members have. Um so anybody who wants to come on Thursday to the board of education meeting that we're having at um 6:30 on Thursday uh we'll do a budget presentation. You can
see all the finances. So everything is out in the open because I think transparency is key especially in these cases. Um we did receive that one other offer last night that I did have a chance to read. Um, uh, I can't say anything much about it except that it is misleading. You can't
go out and say that you're offering $12,000 per child because it's very misleading. Anyway, thank you. >> Okay. >> No, no. Uh, no responses at this time. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh, come on up.
>> Thank you, mayor. Thank you, Councilman. Um, my name is Davos Sha. I'm not representing the board yet, future board member, but >> Mr. Shaw, I think you could just I need you to speak up, Mr. >> Hello. better. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, so my main question is for the future. Is this the last of residential?
>> I I'll repeat it. I'll repeat it if you apologies. Yeah. >> Is this the last of residential buildings, the pilots that we will see in the foreseeable future? >> Is this the last of the residential buildings and the pilots that we'll see in the foreseeable f future? Um two
um are how are we attracting future data centers other nonresidential how are we going there and marketing it uh because I can see already the town after this building will be at capacity
and you know concern here is how can we as a town help um to attract non on residential buildings. Um even if it's piloted, we want to make sure that we don't uh put the stress on the school
system, on our roadway race and our infrastructure. I know there are many roads that are still uh to be developed or you know repaved etc that are not happening as of yet. Uh so goal is how can we make sure that after this program
hopefully the final residential in the years coming that we can go and bring in non residential buildings. So that's it. >> So that's a great question. However, that question is technically not dealing with the ordinance itself. So it's a little bit about a future. So if you guys want to answer that in your
reports, you can. Uh but we're going to go ahead and move along to the next person. Are there any other people? Okay. Come on. I figured there's going to be a few. So, >> good evening. Good evening. Tony Fano, uh, Cville resident precipany. Question.
Can we require a reduction bonding measure be placed against the builders to guarantee revenue? Like Matt brought up, we're out we're operating at a 90% efficiency on these uh, pilots. Now if they go down to 80 40 50 and plead bankruptcy what's the guarantee to the
town can we get a bond posted for that and ask and they can reduce it as they're as they increase. Second thing is been around for a while with the board of education board of education also by the 2% cap has the power to go out and ask
for public referendum on major projects. So it's playing CNN. We're only getting half the picture. If you have the if these buildings haven't been taken care of since 1975 when my son graduated is a major issue.
So if you need the money, go out for public referendum and still stay within your 2% cap. Thank you. Anyone else? Come on up, pub. I was wondering where you were. >> Mr. Heler, did you want to say
something? What's that? >> Okay. Um, Bob Vanzio Pippity. Uh, got I got two quick comments before I actually get to my real stuff. First one is we were promised at the end of the last council meeting that we were going to
get the the figures that Mr. Hammond showed on the on the on the website never happened. So, we had no chance to look at them before this meeting. Second comment, I don't understand how this developer was able to build 275
apartments and 75 town houses without a pilot. And now all of a sudden, a month before the affordable housing plan, he now needs a pilot. It just it just I get the perception of extortion. That's what
it seems to me in my opinion. Go ahead. >> In my opinion, before any pilot vote can be taken on this property, the size of the project must be scaled down and rewritten to conform to Precip's 496
unit court approved affordable housing plan. The park project is only scheduled to build 120 affordable units in this round of affordable housing. at a set aside of 20% affordable units. You only
need 20 uh um 600 total apartments in order to fulfill this quota. However, somehow the park uh project ballooned to,00 total units and 200 some odd affordable units. That means that
Pipony is allowing the the developer to build at least 100 more affordable units and 500 more total units than is required by the courts. Consider the strain that,00 apartments we place on the school system.
uh you know we kind of they kind of talked about that there's already uh 275 apartments at park location and according to the board of education 44 students are already currently enrolled from those apartments using the same
ratio of student apartments uh uh students per appointments would send an additional 176 students to our schools and the cost to educate educate them which according to the state is 21,000
per uh that's their published number 21,000 per student you're up over 300 over 3 million the board education cannot absorb that many students within its 2% cap so a referendum asking to go above the cap was going to be necessary
and since pilot projects would not contribute a single dollar towards the cost of the referendum the burden would fall entirely ly on the conventional taxpayer. On multiple occasions in this chamber, Mayor Delario has complained about the
destructive impact that the affordable housing mandate is having on Paripany's infrastructure, traffic, water system, and school system. Mayor, if you truly believe that Paripany cannot absorb the number of apartments required by the
state, how can you justify rewarding the park developer with a staggering $110 million pilot? That's a huge number to build more than
to to build more than 500 more apartments than is required. In summary, if left if left unchanged, the proposed park project in this ordinance will burden Pipery with 500 more apartments and about 80 to 100 more
affordable units than the courts require. The council should table this ordinance until the project is reduced from 100 uh 100 to 600 apartments in conformance with PCM's court approved
affordable housing plan. Thank you. Come on up, Mr. Helen. Hank Heler recip. I just like to say first of all, I'm really disappointed that not any of you were able to respond to my question
earlier about about was there beneficial participation in any part parcipany employee or or elected official in in the cannabis program. And I'm sorry that you that you didn't find that important
enough to respond to. Now, regarding regarding this this particular pilot situation, I'm confused. I must say I appreciate Mayor Barbario, you telling us what you had to say. It was something that was important that I wish it had been
published so that we could all have learned about it much earlier. It might have influenced some of our thinking. And I'm also happy to hear from from Mrs. Kogan about what it is that that that she's experienced with with the
board of ed. So, I'm confused and I don't have answers and I am not going to tell you what I think ought to be done except that if there's real question, I think it ought it should be tabled for the next for the next administration regardless whether it's
the same people sitting here or whether it's other people because I'm not interested in in what happens. I'm interested in us doing the right thing. Additionally, I'd like to know is is Parcipony Road a
county road or is it a town road >> in some that's a county road. Okay. And and and and and that's that's a lot of what guides me in in in my direction because because I drive on Edwards and New Road just about every day. And I
think you all know the debacle that we have there which which nobody in in our administration has taken the steps to ameliorate in any way. I'm talking about really dangerous roads, really dangerous conditions and really crazy driving.
Okay. As people are frustrated at that corner of Edwards and and New Road and now we're going to bring a many many more residents into onto Paripony Road and that also is a town is is also a
county road. And what I've been told in the past was well somebody has to contact the county to do something about that. But I want to say that it's you guys that have the responsibility because you are the elected officials and you haven't done anything about fixing that situation that's in your
town. Okay? Regardless of whether it's the c the the county, the town, the state or anybody, you haven't done it. and and asking us to to go along with you on bringing in so many more residents onto onto Peripony Road, which
is a very narrow road as it is right now, is I think irresponsible of you and I think that you should rethink that right now or make steps to fix the problems that we have on on New Road and Edwards Road as well as what we will be
experiencing on Paripony Road. And I'd like you to think about that real carefully. And that's really what I have to say. I really wish I really wish that this could be put on to the very next administration, whoever is in charge,
because because I don't think we've come to the right answers yet. Thank you. Uh good evening everyone. My name is Al. I'm a resident of Paripony. Um I had a couple of questions just to get the right context about where the funds are going. Uh I believe there was a slide
which had a a comparison between the uh revenue generated through a pilot project versus a conventional tax strategy. It showed that uh the municipality will earn around 104 million uh um in a conventional tax um uh
situation. What it has ignored is how much would have gone to the school. >> It's it was a 350 million uh total revenue, right? Out of which uh 30% goes to municipality. How much goes to the
school in that tax situation? >> That wasn't >> ballpark. Ballpark. No, I I understand that's not the but but since you're the expert on that, >> we can't we can't have a back and forth. I can answer that for you real quick. Their budget can go up 2%. They get that money regardless. 2%. So if their budget
was $200 million, it can go up 2%. >> That's it. >> School district school will get 2% of the >> they increase their budget 2% every year. There are 2% cap. >> That's the max. >> And then the town pays it. They submit the bill, the town pays it. Whatever that bill is, the town pays it at the
beginning of the year. >> They're capped at >> get their money. Yes. >> Okay. That that answers the question. Thank you so much for that. Uh the second is uh I want to get the context of the 151 students assumed under uh for 1100 uh households to set the context right what it means is out of nine
households only one household has one kid eight households have zero kids >> I don't understand >> wait just answer all your ask all your questions and then we'll >> okay the 1100 units and 151 kids the math doesn't add up because you're using
a red girls Why not use the actual demographics data that the town obviously has for Paripony for that calculation? >> Just wait till he's >> Yeah. Yeah. After after he answers Asshall's questions. >> That's uh that's my small question. After that, I have another uh statement
to make. Please. >> No. Are you are you finished with your statement, sir? >> Because we didn't finish my statement. >> Yeah, we g you the leeway. Uh you need to finish your statements and then he'll respond. Uh my other questions are something which possibly cannot be
answered here. Uh but my concerns are uh I was I I heard that we have chosen a site with the least impact. Uh definitely want to understand uh the impact whatever impact it is. Uh definitely want to see what due diligence has been done. I definitely
would like access to reports on two areas. number one uh the impact of this uh development on the paripony road and of course I want to revisit the uh impact on the schools. So that's one. Uh the second is that uh obviously this
concern has been shared that the court never ordered that it has to be a pilot project. The court ordered affordability uh affordable uh housing, right? Uh how did we get ourselves into this situation? Right? Uh why are we in this situation?
Uh so I I understand that just asking here in in in this forum will not get me access to the records. Uh so I I definitely will uh want to file uh a request through Oprah. >> You can you can do that with my officer. >> I'll do that. >> Yeah. Thank you. My request is that uh
through Oprah I hope it will not get blocked. We will get access to a lot more information. Uh allow the residents to do a due diligence uh review those uh uh those statements. let us get the confidence that this project is indeed good for the town and then take a call
on the voting. >> Yeah, you're more than welcome tomorrow to come by and file an open request. I can tell you with these documents, the majority, if not all of these documents are public, so you probably will not have any exemptions. We will go ahead and review those and assuming that they
are available, uh we'll absolutely provide those to you in a timely manner. >> Thank you so much. That's okay. Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? Good evening. My name is Samir. I'm a resident of Parip. Hey Justin. I have a question for um Mr. Ley. Uh so I was
reviewing like what options we have at this point. It did sound like I mean Kendra also like mentioned that it doesn't sound like we have too many options to um delay this or buy some time but is there a possibility of filing for this what I'm coming across as a decoratory judgment action or
administrative appeal which would just buy us time because >> no >> we all agree I think no one in this room on this side is disagreeing to the fact that this is being done in a hush hush in a in a hurry but if you could just buy time and and just you know think through it as Aloc also information.
>> No. >> And then there's another pos possibility of a placeholder binding resolution. Like both of these are like recommended options and it may no it will not fly. >> Here here's the problem. So in the early '7s the New Jersey Supreme Court and its
infinite wisdom chief justice at the helm decided that uh you had a right to live in every town in New Jersey. You had to pro provide low and moderate income housing. Okay. So that resulted in the fair housing act. So the fair housing act which was a creature of the legislature. So this is a constitutional
mandate because the New Jersey Supreme Court found that under our constitution that the right of life, liberty, and property meant that you could live anywhere in New Jersey. So they covered that under the New Jersey Constitution because the federal courts will not hear a state's interpretation of its own
constitution. So, personally, I think it's a violation of the federal constitution, but because the Supreme Court was smart enough to put it under the New Jersey Constitution. The federal courts won't hear it. So, we're stuck with this. So, what happened was under the Christy administration, so you had
the Council on Affordable Housing and they were the clearing house for giving every town its number of affordable units they had to build each cycle, right? Governor Christie stopped appointing people to the Council on Affordable Housing because the only way to change this law is to change the Supreme Court and have somebody
challenge those Mount Laurel cases. So, Governor Christie stopped appointing people to COA. So, COA didn't do its job. So, COA couldn't do their job because they didn't have enough they didn't have a quorum. So, this the New Jersey Supreme Court couple years probably five or six years ago now, I
can't remember, said, "You know what? You're not doing your job. the towns are not getting uh the affordable housing thought that they're required to do. So the court said, "Legislature, we're going to give you six months to figure this out and to reconstitute COA or do something so that affordable housing's built." The legislature did what it
normally did, which was nothing. And then the courts came in and they made every town file declaratory judgment actions. And this was for the last round of COA. That was for the third round. So the amount of money, taxpayer money that was wasted on litigation when they could have just reconstituted COA or some
other administrative agency is unbelievable. You could have built a lot of affordable housing with the money that was wasted. This time around now we have the same process. Now the problem is, you know, I know people are saying this is rushed. This wasn't rushed by Paripony. It wasn't rushed by the other
towns that are stuck with this. We these are deadlines. Like we have to have we got to meet this deadline of December 31st. Otherwise, we're going to lose our certification and then we're going to be subject to builder's remedies which are going to result in a lot more units than they're proposed here. So, unfortunately, we don't have that
luxury. And this is all stuff. The gentleman before was asking when can we stop residential development? Well, this is the fourth round. There's going to be a fifth round. So, this is for 10 years. At the end of that 10 years, we're going to have to do this all over again. So, they don't care. And the problem is
we're under the gun here. And if we don't comply and we don't do this, there's going to be a lot more units. There going to be a lot more suffering, not just in Paripany, but in other towns. And I can tell you this, they're not granting a Germans. I represent a number of other towns where we're doing the co-work. Mr. Semero does it here,
and he's done a great job. But I'm getting emails from Fairshair Housing, who's moving this litigation at 3:30 in the morning. They they've got challenges in over 400 municipalities. So, everybody is under the gun. I just settled the case the other day for the same reason that we don't have the
luxury of time because we're under the courts don't care. >> Yes. I don't I have I have to stop this >> back and forth. >> Unfortunately, I can't have a back and forth. We we're trying to give leeway here given that this is an important >> Okay, I have just one more question. >> Okay, you can go ahead and ask your question.
>> Yeah, go back and forth. I can understand that. Now the the biggest challenge or the biggest reason this quote is and this uh town town hall is like filled out with people is that it's going to invariably bring in a burden over the existing taxpayer. We looked at
the financial analysis by the developer. We looked at the financial analysis by the board of education. Mayor talked about certain financial numbers. They all are thinking from their perspective. Has anybody done a financial analysis for what burden is going to put on the existing tax year? And can you can
anyone project out what the incremental burden of growth or grow on the tax rate is going to be over the next 10 years or 30 years that you are giving the tax holiday to these developers. Has anyone done that kind of analysis? I'm in finance. If you want, if you give me
some time before 31st, I can give you that analysis. >> Why does he have that? I think Mr. It's it's so tough. It's so tough what I'm paying right now. I just pres on top of that and give the incremental
tax rate. It's exactly our >> financial expert has done that. So >> I don't think so. I didn't see any numbers which were talking about like tax rate the existing burden and the existing tax. >> Okay. So the answer is no. Right. There's no financial analysis available on the increase. >> Are financial expert? I don't think I
mean I saw the force fights. Anyone in the room can testify this. >> You're all right. I know you're but your time is up. We let you ask that extra question. So we can't have >> Okay. So the answer is no, right? There's no financial >> financial guy has done. >> So So
the financial expert has done. >> So look look so look sir sir you got to take a seat. Sir you have to take a seat now. I'm sorry. Fair enough. >> I apologize. You do have to sit. Okay. >> The answer is yes. So, anyone else? I Leo Kushner uh resin here and uh it's
no easy task what you guys have. So, I'll acknowledge it. It's a tough uh situation. I wanted a little clarification as a father who's got two young kids in our school system. So I, as I understand it, there's a 2% increase cap that the town is paying to
the board of education, and that's regardless if park development is going to go or not. Is that correct? >> Sounds like it. So my question is for the taxes that you guys were originally projecting 105 million, whatever this
gentleman said, 0 of that was going to go to the board of education. Is that your last question? >> Um, no. So, um, if if so, mayor, you can't come to an equitable solution with the board of education to pay something,
suggesting make a onetime donation, pay for one of the roofs if there are years going by, maybe something to think about. Um, >> and then lastly, what what if the developers bluffing? So what I'm hearing is a month ago they had a taxes that
worked for them, a performer that worked for them. All of the sudden when we're when we're up against the deadline, it doesn't work for them and they need a pilot. If we don't give them the pilot, can they wake up January 1st and say, "Okay, we'll just do it as we originally
planned. Thank you." Anyone else? Come on. >> Uh double Patel, residential precipany. Uh again, good presentation, a lot of information. It would be good to have it up front to review it. Uh clarifying
question uh you had a slide up there in terms of um pilot versus no pilot. And if I'm understanding is correct, without pilot, the town would have had additional of four or five additional projects that would have satisfied the
affordable housing reform. Is that is that clear? >> Mhm. >> Additional four >> and that all would have been without pilot projects >> could have been >> with could have been or was it? >> Don't know because we haven't pursued those development.
>> Okay. So town could have proceeded that option without pilot then considering additional uh programs. >> Is that your last question? >> Yes. >> First off, if we don't have this in place by January, by December 31st,
we're going to lose our ability to determine where these things are going to go. And a lot of these other locations that are on that list, there would be probably bunch of you in here. There would be people from all over the town saying the same thing in here complaining because you may have an
apartment building going up right in your backyard. >> So again, this is we're trying to get this as the least impactful for the entire town, >> right? >> If this thing didn't go and these other five or six locations or whatever come into play, you're going to have a lot more people saying, "Whoa, wait a
minute. Why is this four-story apartment building that looks like it's fresh out of Newark being built in my backyard?" Right. I mean my concern was that uh people are concerned with respect to this is happening under pilot and we're losing a lot of uh tax uh revenues as as
part of that. And if I'm understanding correctly that if if uh town were considering adding additional four projects that were presented in one of the slides uh the planner had presented without the pilot uh consideration would have would that have addressed a lot of
the concerns that you're hearing today uh tonight? That's your last question, sir. >> You can't go back and forth, unfortunately. >> May I say something? >> Thank you, sir. And >> can I say something to your question? >> You can that could have added like five
more projects and they probably would have been in an area where most of the affordable housing has been impacting the Littleton school concentrated on one side of town where all the affordable housing currently is. That's why we want
it distributed especially in the lanadex area that has been developed over 20 years already and has these this area has been proposed for those two projects for the last 10 years. So the distribution makes sense.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Uh also Mr. uh Hanley, Mr. Snakeis and Mr. Samero, whatever presentations you guys had done if you can please just send to my office cuz I have a feeling I might be getting a couple of the requests. So, um,
>> sorry, you already came up. Came up. >> That was good, though. That's something I would do. Give it another try. >> Should have at least changed your shirt last or something. >> Anyone else? Come on up, sir. >> Wow.
>> Thank you, sir. Good evening and thank you all of you officers serving the president township. 30 years ago you approved the forge bond and I moved into that town under part of the section and while we are not looking
our own town data of the number of students coming to the school district with the new development. I recognize that regus could be the the gold standard uh that may Barb referred to but we need to look at our own data for
estimated students coming to the school district. Again I'm making some comments. Second thing is both my children went to the school district of and I'm proud of living in this township.
I think I'm shameful that I never participated in the public process because I don't like the laws and I'm a bad negotiator. Having said that, analyzing is my way of thinking.
$100 of dollars coming to the town against the date of education needs some money and then the property tax I'm paying when I move in to now is three times. So
there's a legitimate concern that the the property tax will go up whether we bring something in or not. Another statistics I look at that from the 2000 to 2024
the inflation is roughly 1 to 1.84%. So I'm paying three times the property tax and you guys are managing the books and the money and barely keeping up with my whole budget. So kudos to all of you guys and the mayor because you are doing
that taskfully. One other question to the developers. I see that uh you did a fine analysis uh with the percentage coming in and out. >> Not a developer. >> See? Yes sir. These guys aren't the developers. >> Okay. They are the part of the developers but the finance part of it.
>> No, they're not any part of the developers. They >> are the professionals. Okay. >> They work. But the numbering scheme is to me is uh an art of selling and and what really bothers me that uh the the court judgment uh is
kind of on our neck and and I don't think as an a citizen I can do anything myself to support you whether you should pass the bill or or whatever the body is in front of you or not. again uh these are all my comments and
uh one of the question is for all of you the officers let's make it clear to the immigrants who came and and he mentioned something about 1970 I don't think I will learn even then so I'm learning part of being an immigrant
and uh help uh others to understand those who are citizens and and and this town and make this country as a proud country and it doesn't matter whether you're Democrat or Republican, but I'm registered Republican and has nothing to
do with whether I voted for Mayor Berio or the elected Mr. Desai. And the last question that perhaps I would like to understand how an average citizen would understand all this
complex maneuvering and not get in a silo of looking at just elephant's leg because I'm seeing this as an elephant legs that uh we have to give this unless uh we get through it and not only that
we have a net that somebody can put more children in our town than than anticipated. So again it's part of my own learning the activities happening from the town perspective but the traffic and the other things are legitimate concern and and hopefully
whatever the decisions you will make whether we pass or not I leave it to your judgment. Thank you sir. >> Thank you sir. Anyone else say something? >> No no no. Uh let's just make sure that there's no one else. I think we're good. Okay. No one else. Mr. Misella. Go ahead. No, I I would
>> We're going to close. We're going to close. Okay, good idea. Motion to close the public session. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by uh Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Uh Mr. McGrath. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mella? >> Yes.
>> Mr. Neglia? >> Yes. >> And Mr. K? >> Yes. >> Okay. So now I'm going to read the final thing. We're going to do a motion, a second, then we'll go into discussion. But go ahead, Mr. >> I'll just conclude it with my comments. >> Mr. M, are you sure? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So whereas the above ordinance was read in title on second reading and a
hearing held thereon, now therefore be it resolved that s ordinance be passed on final reading and that notice of final passage of sinus be published in a newspaper according to law. Could I have a motion to approve this resolution uh for ordinance number 202531, please? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by
uh Miss Hernandez. And at this time, prior to us going into a roll call vote, we'll engage in some discussion. We'll begin by uh each council member. Uh go ahead, Mr. Hernandez. Okay. Um, I want to I want to start by thanking our professionals for their presentation,
Mr. Samano and Mr. Hanley and Mr. Snikus. And um, I just want to thank also um, for your comments, Mr. Homeak. I want to say that Mr. Snikus did a great job bringing down our number from 533 to 496
by using Highland's protocol. So, he he did. Yes, he did. So, um, we did take advantage of that. >> Hey, Nick. Nick, Nick, Nick, come on, Nick. You know, I like you, but we can't do that. >> I know this was a hard decision for everybody. It's hard with the schools.
It's hard for us. I I'm going to change my comments a little bit because we've had we've talked about it to death. Okay. So, we did hear about this 10 days prior and we learned about the pilot was requested by the park developer. The
situation is as uncomfortable as it sounds for everybody. The pilot changes everything and makes it difficult for the council because we know the decision has consequences that makes it hard for the school board. It makes it hard for
the the public to understand and it makes it hard for us because we know what the decision if we don't do it is going what's going to happen with us for the affordable housing because if we don't do it we have to do something well we we won't be able to do anything
because the courts will take over. On December 3rd, Paripony had a hearing after we we introduced it and the judge said that if we do not accept the plan with the pilot, he will let the
objectors come in. I think that's what I've heard. And and and entertain a new plan for us. So, my fellow council members and I talked about this over the last couple of
weeks, and we got some better rates for the pilot over the 30 years. They weren't that way in the beginning, and I think this is something that I feel comfortable doing. I am not a fan of the pilots, but I don't see any other
way out of it. It's just a a tough decision, and I am voting yes on this. >> Okay. um this time. >> Yeah, we're not going to take your vote now. But I get I get it. But I want you to understand this is where I'm coming from. Voting as people. >> We're going to do discussions then we'll
go to the roll call. >> I am done with my discussion. >> Do discussions and then vote each person. >> The problem is when you Okay. You want to do it that way? We'll do it that way. But go ahead. So it's a yes vote. Okay. Uh next is uh Mr. McGrath. So, one of
the big challenges I have in and you know, the gentleman who came up here earlier said he wished he he went for public service. I can tell you it's one of the hardest jobs you could ever take is coming up here and having this role and trying to deal with what I feel like is a a I don't have a better word other
than blackmail situation where you're forcing me to make a decision. What I see is through tax appeals, as the mayor has said, through pilots, our ratables are going to to plummet.
And in return, the tax rate will skyrocket. And what that means, the one gentleman who came up here said, "Have you done the financials?" I've done my version of the financials. And what I see it is going to happen is the residential taxpayer is going to bear the burden of
all of this. That's my problem. And I understand what the court is saying. People put out there, hey, Wayne lost her immunity. I also dug a little digging. Wayne took six years of fighting back and forth. What my fear is in saying yes is that
you're now going to commit to all these other developers to come and knock on our door and threaten to come and pull their deal out. If we wipe out our ratables, you will get reassessed. Your tax rates will be through the roof. and you're
going to be like, "How can I afford to live here?" And I have four kids, two in the school. I care about the schools, but if we give the schools 400 million or whatever the numbers were out of all the pilot funds, you're literally going to now have increased taxes here in in
our area. This is in my opinion a dangerous road and I'm an absolute no. >> Yeah. Um well, it's not lost on me that tonight is my last meeting and uh two years ago back in December, uh I in
conjunction with many others led hundreds of residents to oppose pilots and uh now on my last meeting we find ourselves voting on one. Um so this one is much different unlike the ones in the
past that I have opposed which were discretionary. This is an instance where if we go back in the beginning of the year through a joint process, a bipartisan process of trying to meet our town's affordable
housing obligation in a way that would be least disruptive for our residents. And we sought to do uh really two things. Number one is identify the sites that would satisfy our obligation and protect our immunity. And number two,
um, encouraged the administration to come up with an agreement that the board of education could accept. And throughout the course of that time, through many meetings that we sat in just like this, we all came to the same
conclusion that there was no other possible way to do this without the common denominator being a pilot that would absorb a majority of the affordable housing obligation in one location. and it would protect all of
the other parts of town that simply would say no to something like this. And number two is we fought, as if you'll recall, we the mayor in conjunction with the council at the beginning of the year joined with all the other municipalities
to try and stop what was coming, but we lost. And this is something that our professionals, our planner, our attorney, every single person who we have met with looked at every other path and if there
was a better path for us to pursue, I would have been the better one. I would have been the first one to encourage us to go down that path. Now, number two is recently uh to the credit of the mayor, he did meet with the board of education and he did give them an agreement that
they said no to. I think that they should have accepted the agreement. It's what we had wanted to come of this so that way we could have accomplished those two goals of satisfying our affordable housing obligation and making
the board of education at least whole in in some way. And I and and it's sad that that didn't happen, but that will be for the next administration to negotiate. And and lastly, um, in the the day that
we live in of so much division, it there is almost when I talk to conservative Republicans, liberal Democrats all throughout the state, if there is one thing that you get them into a room that they agree with that the Mount Laurel doctrine is fundamentally broken and it
forces municipalities to be treated like numbers on spreadsheets by distant judges who simply do not care except compliance and that's it. So, um I I don't think having
said all of that, um it's wise to sacrifice the the long-term health of our town for short short-term political box checking. So, uh I will be voting yes for this pilot. >> Okay. Uh Mr. Neglia.
>> Yes. Thank you very much. Um, first I'd like to thank our professionals who came here tonight and gave a great explanation. Thank you for uh sharing the numbers with us and all the things that you shared. I want to also thank all the residents, the board of education and everyone else that came
up to speak. Um, I know we all have skin in the game, so to speak, and we all we all are going to be affected by this one way or the other. There's no way getting around it. There's no way you're getting out of it. Um the affordable housing mandate, we have no choice. Uh we can
look at putting everything in one location as in park to to keep it away from you know the rest of the town or we could just branch out and go all over town basically uh putting 202 and Littleton Road and all that area in uh a
lot of traffic. It's going to be a lot worse. Um, I I think that this plan is probably the least of all the evils we could do. Um, you know, I I am glad that the mayor had the opportunity to talk to the board of ed and hopefully they can talk a little bit more cuz um, you know,
I I've heard a couple of things tonight and the last day or two that I wasn't aware of as far as park and the new school uh, down there and as far as the $12,000 offered per student. If we go by the numbers we were given by the board of ed, 400 plus students, that's an
extra $4.8 million. Well, the numbers that the town has, 151, that's an extra 1.8 million to the board of ed. So, I know that could definitely help funding in one aspect or the other. Um, I I think that uh there's no way out of
this. I think if we utilize or we turn it down and we lose that builder's remedy, we're going to get hammered. We're really going to get hammered. Sending it in, 1100 units, we're going to get 4,000 units. It's going to be if the board of ed thinks they're going to have a problem now with the students coming when they rebuild all these other
uh these other buildings and these other housing units is going to be a lot worse. And uh I I I'd like to try to stop that. I'd like to try to do the best what I think is in the best interest of the town it in its whole and I think by approving this plan I will be
doing that. So I'm going to vote yes on this. >> Okay, Mr. As I've stated in the past, and I know I can speak for everyone up here, we do not want this. This is the state cramming this down our throat. All
right? This is them cramming us this down our throat. Pilots, I just want to for people out there, pilots do not bring students to the town. The affordable housing mandates are what brings the students to
the town. So regardless if there was a pilot or not, these apartments, these units are coming and any kids that come with them, they're coming whether there's a pilot or not. So, you know, it's been stated over the time that, oh, the pilots are bringing students. It's
not the pilots. The affordable housing mandates are what's bringing the and unfortunately the state doesn't care about how it affects our schools, how it affects our roads. Matter of fact, a while back, the town the mayor initiated
a lawsuit against them because at one point they weren't the state was telling us we could not take in new businesses. Top Golf, some of these other new businesses because we had to save our water for these apartments buildings.
And that meant we would have had to turn down all of these new businesses, revenue, no kids, no no other issues. But the state was saying, "No, you can't use any of that water for any new businesses. You have to save all
of it for that." The mayor sued and luckily we won. And now we're getting the Top Golf and a lot of these other businesses or we wouldn't have had any of that. So this is some of the issues that you know the state they like councilman myself said they don't care they don't
care rockaway rock they just don't care what they do this plan keeps us locked in now for the amount of units that we have for at least 10 years if we don't approve this December 31st
it's over it's going back to the courts they're going to say now you're building on this place, this place, this place, this place. And guess what? Instead of 500 units or,00 units, you're building 1,500 units.
Our professionals, Mr. Snikers, did a phenomenal job getting our number down to what it was. It was a lot higher and it would have been a lot worse for this town. But we fought and we got a lot of credits. we're going to we would lose all those
credits and then the amount of units would be a lot more than what it is right now. SO YEAH, WE'RE UNDER THE GUN. That's not our it's not our fault. It's the state. They don't care. They don't care that they only gave us a few weeks. They don't care.
We care, but there's nothing we could do about it. Believe me, I would love to fight it. Fight it. Fight it. But we're going to lose. And then we lose our immunity. And when they say, "Hey, build 700 units right at this location." And then that neighborhood that has
nothing affecting them all of a sudden now you're going to put an off a uh apartment building right in a bunch of people's backyards. They're going to go crazy. So, it's for these reasons. I don't want to lose our immunity. It locks us in for 10 years. We're at our number. It brings
in revenue. Hopefully in the future we can get a deal with the board of ed. I vote yes. >> Okay. Uh ordinance uh motion passes 4 to one. Ordinance 202532 ordinance to the township precipitate Troy Hills in the county of Morris authorizing the execution of a financial agreement.
>> Oh, hold on. >> Mayor, I I just want to make a statement. I have to on this not although I don't get to vote on it because there was a lot of good questions that were asked of some of the residents with regards to traffic. Number one, um, water. Uh, Mr. Venezia
came up and I recognize our infrastructure, there's a water issue. I get all that. I understand all that. Um, and school age children. Do you know that in affordable housing? Three things you can't vote down a affordable housing
um plan for is school age children. You can't use school age children as your formula. You can't use traffic. You can only use on-site traffic. So, Parcipony Road is off off site. So, you can't deny it for offsite only onsite. Okay. These
are the laws. These are the laws. And like the council president said, water restrictions. I'd love to put them on it, but the state will do it instead. It's called the scarce resource order. And that's what happened in 202122 when you were on that board. What does a
scarce resource order do? The courts say, and I came in in 22, oh, you're not building nothing here. All that water goes to the affordable housing units first and those projects get done. But we fought it. We fought it for a reason
cuz we needed those ratables like the Top Golf, like the Chick-fil-A, like the Lifetime Fitness and all things like that. So, although I agree, do I want do we want to say no on off-site traffic? And I'll close it with this. in 2013.
We'll take the Whole Foods over there. Okay. A lot of residents were angry over there at that time. Why? Because the fourth the third round wasn't approved yet. So on March 10th of 2015, the courts decided on affordable housing and
they took control. We got an application from the developer that we're going to put 100% affordable housing units on that property. What's that mean? When you have a 100% affordable housing project, it's inherently beneficial use. You
can't deny it cuz it's 100%. We fought that. We came to an agreement with the developer to build just the Whole Foods and Anchor Stores. What happens next? we get sued by fair share housing saying we circumvented the laws. Well, thank God
the developer worked it out with fair share housing. This is not easy for the council members tonight. This is not an easy decision to make whatsoever. But if you don't think the courts have the power to overrule us, they do. So, I I want to just close it with that
because there were a lot of good questions. I said the same thing. Just don't don't approve it because of traffic. Oh, onsite. Okay. Don't approve it because of water. Oh, too lead you. All the water goes there first and don't prove it because the school age children. Uh can't put that in a
formula. That's what makes it difficult. So with that being said, thank you. Ordinance 2025 30. Anything else from anyone? >> We're good. You sure? Ordinance 2532. Ordinance of the township of the Presby Troy Hills in
the county of Morris authorizing the execution of financial agreement with VBX Precipity Urban Renewal LLC granting a tax exemption with respect to that certain property identified as block 226 lot 3 and 3.02 2 in accordance with the long-term tax exemption law NJSA4A col2
the notice uh for ordinance 202532 was published in a daily record the official news of the township of Pacific Troy Hills in December 5th 2025 and introduced at the December 2nd 2025 agenda meeting motion to accept this ordinance please >> motion >> second >> second >> motion made by Mr. Neglia seconded by
Mr. Hernandez roll call Mr. Hernandez Mr. McGrath Mr. Misella >> no >> Mr. Mr. McGrath, Mr. Misella and Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Karifi. >> Yes. >> So, uh, we have, uh, three yeses and two nos. Ordinance passes.
>> Public hearing. Motion to open the public hearing for ordinance file 2532. Can I get a motion, please? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Mucella. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Mr. Mucella. Mr. Neglia. Mr. Kur.
>> Yes. The floor is open to the public for this ordinance only. Seeing none, Mr. Hela, come on down. Absolutely. >> This is for the uh this is relating to the warehouse. Is this correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. >> I drove by because my bank is uh on
Paripony Road and uh I see that that building is mostly complete. I cannot understand how a a almost completed project is able to come at this time and ask for a a pilot uh uh uh exception. I
I I don't understand that they they they spent their money. They went and and and and did their analysis and they thought that this was a good thing for them to do. And now it seems as if they for whatever reason they think that that that they're entitled to get a pilot. I
don't understand how in the world as business people you guys can can can uh can approve this. I think that it's wrong. I think it's I think it's nuts that that and and what with all of the traffic that that already is going to be coming from park uh onto onto that uh
Pipony Road. I I just don't understand it and I think that that it should not be passed. I think this is there there there's nothing here that I can see that that benefits the town of of Paripony in improving this.
>> Can are you through can can you want to explain it to me? Okay. >> Did you have any more questions, Mr. >> No, that's that's it. >> So, is this actually on? >> Yep. >> Okay. Well, the uh application uh for
the pilot was uh filed in a timely fashion. So under the law uh it was permissible uh to uh grant the uh pilot even after construction started because the application was filed uh before uh construction uh was started. Uh in this
particular case um the landlord has expressed a desire for a stable uh expense because it's necessary. that facilitates their ability to rent uh the property out and and and get their tenants. Uh this particular pilot was
calculated in such a way where the pilot payment was going to be equal to what their property taxes are currently. Uh the benefit for the township is that it gets 95% of that bill instead of the 24
25% that it would get under a typical uh tax allocation traditional taxes applied. Uh and then that continues uh throughout the life. So as the rent increases uh they're going to be paying us more and their rent is going to increase uh faster than what the
projected tax rate will increase at. So as time proceeds uh the township is uh projected to be in a much better financial situation. So they asked for it so that they have some stability and projecting expenses uh for their tenants cuz these are all triple net leases
where the tenants uh all the expenses pass through the tenants and they pay for everything. Uh and the township uh quite frankly got got a windfall. Th this type of pilot was a tremendous financial benefit uh for the township from day one and it only gets better
over the life of the pilot. >> That's why this >> when was it submitted? You said it was submitted before construction. >> Correct. >> What was the date? >> I don't have the date in front of me, but I believe Councilman it was back in June. >> It was submitted in June. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm And >> who I I'll have to double check, but I'll I I'm quite confident it was June. Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh, anyone else? >> I sure can. Bobzia Pipony.
In my opinion, the warehouse under consideration in this ordinance is not eligible to receive a pilot and should have never made it onto this night's agenda. According to ex- New Jersey controller Matthew Boxer and attorney
John Englesino, two of the foremost authorities on pilots in the state, abatement laws are intended to spur economic development that otherwise would not occur. The warehouse at this at this location is almost completely
built. So there's no valid reason to incentivize in construction with a pilot. Granular pilot at this stage would rightfully be viewed as a windfall for the developer with no apparent benefit for Parcipony. On the other hand, what does Paripony
have to lose if this pilot is denied? The only threat that the developer has is to build elsewhere. And with the warehouse almost completed, that threat no longer exists. Furthermore, granting a pilot to this warehouse would be a clear violation of
the terms of the actual pilot agreement. Article 15 of the section titled application for tax exemption of BBX Pipony urban renewal LLC reads as follows.
Number 15, certification as to commencement of construction. The applicant hereby certifies that it is has not and will not commence construction of the project pri prior to adoption by the township's governing
body of the resolution approving this application and an appropriate ordinance approving and making effect of this long-term exemption and financial agreement and authorizing the mayor or other appropriate official to execute the
financial agreement. Obviously, they they violated this. The fact that the warehouse is almost completely built violates the article cited above and thus constitutes a breach of contract. I don't see how the council has any option other than to vote no on this ordinance.
Thank you. >> Uh whatever Mr. Could have been easier just said that's the truth. Uh Cong uh Congressman Councilman McGrath
uh I think you said something hits the nose on on the uh the nail on the head here. Precipany has now put themselves in a predicament. If they approve this pilot like they approved the other warehouse pilot,
we are going to suffer. We are going to have a an unintended consequence made by lack of political courage because combined pilot deals that we're accepting and the tax reductions that
are going to be put in that's all going to go on us. So that combination that emergent emergence of the pilots and the corporate uh corporations are people now in this country and they're
going to get their reduction. It's going to come on us. I pay for that little lousy block lot of mine 5,000 something. My taxes have gone up $1,160, a little bit more since I've been living
there in 2012. I'm a senior citizen. I don't have any kids in school. Where's my and my type citizens pilot for us? We don't even get a reduction uh for anything. So being a citizen in this
country is a joke. You're a consumer. you you you might as well just be a a a child slave for the for the debt uh for the debt for the you know to make the rich uh richer. But you you hit it on
the the head. We're going to we're this is all going to catch up with us. And u I just want to say something because you brought up Ronald Reagan and the half a cup of uh bread. >> Half a loaf. >> Well, people had the whole loaf of bread. He took it away. And Ronald
Reagan, oh yeah, this is a fact. He cut the federal housing assistance subsidies 80% when he was the president among other dirty things that he did. And we have not recovered from that yet. So
part of his problem is we have a federal power that doesn't give to its own citizens. It kills its host. This country is a joke. >> Well, just let me say this. The the quote that I gave he was saying to the
Democrat. >> No, we're not. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. Okay. All right. So, so everybody I'm just explaining to the quote. >> All right. I just threw up the agenda. >> One more. No, one more thing. He said that. No. And I have to say this. As a resident, as a resident, if you're a
senior citizen, you can apply for a tax credit that the state gives out every year. So, >> okay. So, you get a tax credit then, correct? >> When I dropped it and I don't put it in, they keep the money. >> Put it in. >> I'm just saying put it in. You'll get it. >> Anyone else?
>> Keep going. >> That's That's what you get. You'll get You'll get a credit. >> Yeah. Sure. >> Why not? Come on up. Come on up. We'll be here all night. >> Uh, hi, Leo Kushner. Um, I was wondering, was there a financial
analysis done similar to the to the park project where the financial analyst showed how much money the town would be making through taxes? So, was that something that was done and and the council did an analysis on it? >> He put it up on the screen. >> Was that parks or was that this one as
well? >> This one as well. >> It was this one as well. Okay. Um, I would just encourage you to simply vote with what gives the town more money over the next 30 years. To me, it's a construction project that is somewhat complete. Developers don't typically
walk away when they've invested a lot of money in in the project. Thank you. >> Okay. Can I have a motion to close the public hearing, please? >> Come on. Come on down. Why not?
We got everybody else. >> Thank you. Good evening folks. >> Hi, >> my name is Richard Young. I live in Paripony on Innerville Road. Appreci Appreciate the service of all of you, >> some more than others.
Um, you've heard some specific points in regard to this tonight that support not voting for this silly additional pilot that isn't needed. It's a construction project that's nearing completion.
They wouldn't have gone to this point if they didn't have something that was financially solid. Question. Uh I believe I understood, sir, that you said that the amount of money coming to the township is the same under the pilot
as it would be under regular taxes. >> Is that your only question or >> It is my only question. Okay, counc. >> Yes, please. No, the amount assessed is the same. The amount that's actually paid by the property owner is the same.
You know that the township collects the money and the the township would disperse to the board of ed and to the county under the pilot. They keep 95% of it as opposed to only 20 for 25% of it. >> They being the town.
>> Correct. Correct. So, so of the uh taxes collected, it will it'll keep 95% as opposed to 25%. So, it is a financial windfall to the to the township. >> So, the township keeps that 95%. How about the school board? What happens to
them in this equation? >> Well, so there was an attempt to reach an agreement to so that the township could give a gift to the board of ed. uh and under the New Jersey statutes, the township could do that in any given year. So, the township was amendable to
doing that this year and they were willing to enter into uh an ordinance that would have documented it and the terms weren't acceptable. The terms of the gift weren't acceptable to the board of ed because it wasn't as much as they wanted despite the fact that the law
does not obligate the township to give them anything. So if the township was entertaining that thought, it certainly could entertain that thought again next year and every year thereafter. >> There's no school age children that come from the warehouse. >> Well, that's that's true, too. But and and and the agreement Yeah, that's
actually Thank you for pointing that out. The agreement uh with respect to the uh the revenue sharing that was proposed was for residential projects. Now, keep in mind that the board of ed still gets a portion of the taxes that
are paid on the land portion of the assessment. So, it's not the whole thing, but they still get that. Correct. >> Indeed. So, I guess uh council members, >> you can come up to the mic if you'd like.
>> Call from the audience. >> He answered your question. >> You said you didn't have any more questions. >> Oh, I don't have a question. I have a statement. And to my point, council members, if you listen to what was just said, the board of ed is not assured of
the same split over the next 30 years of those of that income under the pilot that they would be assured of if it came in as taxes. Important point to think about. >> Just so you know, their budget, they will increase their budget to the max,
the 2% cap at the beginning of the year, right? 2% that's they're going to add that to their bill. We have to pay that regardless. That gets paid immediately. What whatever that is that gets paid. They automatically get their money. That
2% increase they automatically get. Any pilot monies that they would have been given is in addition to their 2%. So it would have been extra money that they would have gotten but they declined the offer.
>> Thank you. You're welcome. He's wearing his name. >> Thank you, Mr. Council President. Um, John Hinglesino here in Porcipany. I first of all, and thank you for your comment. Mr. Young and other people should know the board of education gets
a h 100red cents on the dollar that they budget for whether there are pilots or not. The board of education doesn't get shortchanged one nickel whether you pass this pilot or not. That is a fact that people need to understand. The purpose
of this pilot and the argument for this pilot is not that the developer needs it for the project to be financially viable. That is why they have agreed to pay the equivalent of adalorum taxes
here. The argument is because it's going to create more money for the township. Why? Because it creates certainty. as was explained to you at the outset uh of of the meeting. It creates certainty
that they're not going to get spikes in assessments. That certainty attracts high quality tenants that are going to pay more rents and those rents are based on an AGR annual gross revenue of 26%
which adds an economic multiplier that is going to make you a lot more money over time than advalorum taxes ever would. That's how you do economic development. That's the right way to do economic development and that's the only
reason why you would do this is because it's going to mean more money for the town. This is not a situation in in in which there's corporate welfare. This is a situation in which you're using the tools that the New Jersey state
legislature gave you to convert vacant office buildings into economic powerhouses. And you have the ability to do that. So if you want the money, if you want to create economic growth in Paripity, if you want to create
best-in-class industrial facilities that create jobs that create highquality tenants that are going to earn you more than you would in Avalor taxes, then pass this pilot. If you want less money, if you want less economic uh growth, if
you want fewer or worse jobs or no jobs for the people who live locally who could work in these places, then vote no. But that's the choice. That's the choice. We've just heard some things up here that are confusing. There's heard some misinformation. I just felt
compelled to sort of set the record straight. Thank you. Anyone else? >> Okay. Seeing no one, >> make a motion to close. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Mucella. Who seconded that? >> Councilman Neglia.
>> Wait. Oh, yeah. Hold on. Who made the motion? >> I made the motion to close. >> Second >> and then Neglia. Okay. >> Roll call. >> Mr. Hernandez. >> Mr. McGrath. >> No. >> Mr. Musella. >> No. >> Mr. uh Meglia.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Karif. >> Yes. >> Three S's, two nos. >> Well, we're not there yet. Whereas the above ordinance um public hearing is closed. Whereas the above ordinance was read in title on second reading and hearing held thereon. Now therefore be resolved that sordness be passed on final reading and that notice of final
passage of set orness be published in newspaper according to law. Motion to approve the above resolution. >> Motion >> second. >> Motion and second a motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by Miss Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. >> No. >> Mr. Mucella.
>> No. >> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Karifi? >> Yes. Motion passes 3 to two. Okay. Uh, public session. I'd like to entertain a motion to open the public session. >> Make a motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Musella.
>> Seconded by Mr. Neglia. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. >> Yes. >> Mr. Musella. >> Yes. >> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Karif. >> Yes. >> Okay. The floor is open to the public to speak on any matter you would like. Not ordinances. not pilots, but anything
else if you'd like. >> I figured we've been talking about this all night, you know. So, let's just >> I'd like to make a recommendation. I'd like to get a record of what happened here tonight and sent it to the state attorney general about, hey, they jammed this with the pilots
at the last minute. and all the rhetoric we heard whe there's any really truth to it at all. But this state does have an attorney general. And when we when Precipity latched on to
that class action lawsuit, it was based on a technicality. It wasn't particular to to Pipan's particular case in affordable housing and all the overdeveloped property we
have and what we're going to do with it. And these developers can't come to town and take over the town because of what happened tonight because pilots have nothing to do with affordable housing. So, this was one project. If that didn't
go through, the other developers would step in, but they're not going to come here with the motorcycle gang and take over the town and build wherever they want. You still have to apply good land use laws. So this whole fear tactic,
this town has been suffering from this fear tactic since Waterview. Waterview should have been open space like the like the grassroots and it would have never fell to affordable housing. Never. You kick the can down the road, mayor,
for the next council to pick it up, which this council failed to do. You kicked the can down the road and when the f when the council came back, what are we going to do with that landscape? That was a promise made to hundreds and hundreds of people. It will be open
space. And we paid for a buffer. Oh, yeah. I I know what happened. I have the I was in court when Mr. Englesino dismissed RD developer without prejudice, meaning he can come back and threaten us again with affordable
housing. But affordable housing doesn't take open space. We had plenty of time, but it didn't happen. When we went to Marstown, me, Nelson, and Ron from Mountain Lakes, we went there because we found out the money was for the buffer.
They were going to divide the block lot into the buffer and where where the mall is today. We paid for nonstructural storm water. We were our open space local open space was looted for over $3
million for something that could have been zoned. Really? We We should go to the the attorney general because this stuff is is out is outrageous. Then then go I'll give you the phone number. >> You should go. You're the mayor. I don't
have to go cuz I know I know what happened at Waterview. I'm not going to respond to you. >> No, I I know what happened at Waterview and I can prove it. I can prove it. >> Okay. >> And I know what I'm talking about. >> And I do too. So, can I respond to him, sir? >> Is he done? >> Yeah.
>> Okay. First and foremost, we applied for an open space grant for the Waterview uh site. Okay. We applied a $7.5 million grant which create with greenacre fund and so we went down to uh Morris County I think it was the Morris County um
library I think it was at the time we had a meeting with their open space committee the county right to purchase the property and he mentioned himself and Mr. Nelson and they two of them they were objectors to us getting that site
for $7.5 million. And guess what happened? They voted no. The county voted no to give us that for $7.5 million. So what happens next? You you seem to have a memory lapse. So what happens next? On March 10th, 2015, that
property goes to 7.5 million to a value of 25 to 30 million. Why? because of the affordable housing rules and regulations that were imposed on us, but we applied to get the open space. So when you have two objectors, one that was just
standing up here and Jonathan Nelson at the time objecting to the project, we did a presentation to the county and we get denied later. So what happens? Menum gets 10 million, we get zero. So that's what actually happened.
>> That's true. I can prove it. Anyone else uh during public session? Come on up, Bob. Why not? >> Bob Vanzi of Paripony. I just have a couple of questions. Can you explain why the affordable
housing plan that Paripony submitted only calls for 600 apartments yet we are allowing,00 apartments to be built at this site? How many affordable housing units are
being built at this at at park and are they all being built in one building or they being you know spread around the uh four buildings? And the last one is I'm surprised nobody asked our attorney or
attorneys whether the warehouse vote violated the clause and that I cited in the uh in the pilot. So I'm asking in your opinion was this vote in violation of the clause
that I submitted m >> Mr. Samero was here who's the reason >> Wait, is he done? Are you done with your question? >> That's it. >> Yeah. and he had no problem with the vote. So, >> who's he work for again? >> Township. >> Bob, I'm going to answer that other question, too. You said 600 apartments.
They're getting builder's remedy. For every one affordable unit, they get to build four regular units. >> That's right. >> So, if they get to build five, >> they get they four four markets. >> So, if there's 600, okay, that means
there's another 2400 apartments that have to be >> No, no, no, no, no, no. You're you're you mis you misunderstood. We're on the on the affordable housing plan. We're listed for 120 affordables. That's what's on there. That's what that lady said. 120. If you calculate that at 20%,
you get 600 of market. That's that's the math. And we're waiting for that. How we got there, I don't know. And I don't like it. Okay. Anyone else? Seeing no one, I'd like uh to entertain
a motion to close the public session. >> Make a motion. >> Wait, we're in the middle of a >> I mean, oh, you can't you got to ask they did a whole presentation. It's like 190 units over there. So, these other units they had already built. The project was half built. Now, they're
going to build some affordable units. So, he went over the numbers. So, we'll get the numbers. >> And also, somebody talked about the condos. They're already built and it was built by a different developer. >> They showed 120 on there. >> Don't forget, we got
>> getting 60 credits. >> These are numbers. These are numbers that are dictated by the state and the litigation. So, the numbers, there's a solid number. They went over them before. We'll get you the sheet with the numbers that breaks them all down for you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think there's I think there's going to be over 200 something
affordables built at this site and there doesn't have to be. Only 120 are needed. >> We're not building one more we're not allowing one more affordable unit to be built than what is required. Not one more than what's required >> in the town. >> In the town >> in the entire town. >> Okay. So I got to I got to I got to put
a stop I got to put a stop to this guys cuz we got a lot. We still have a lot. So enough. So we're going to continue now. I need a motion. I got a motion from Justin. I need a second please. Second from Judy. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Mr. McGrath, Mr. Mella, Mr. Neglia, and Mr. Karif. >> Yes.
>> Consent agenda. Be it resolved. All items listed in an aspect are considered routine and non-controversial that township council will be approved by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a council member so request in which case any will be removed from the consent agenda and considered in its normal sequence on the agenda. Can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda?
Motion made by Mr. Negley. A second. >> Can I get a second? >> Yes. Second. >> Second by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez, Mr. McGrath, Mr. Mella, Mr. Neglia, and Mr. K. Motion passes. Moving along to the approval of minutes. We're
approving agenda. Agenda meeting 11:13 25 and regular meeting 11:2525. Can I have a motion to approve, please? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez, >> yes.
>> Mr. McGrath, >> yes. >> Mr. Mr. Neglia, yes. >> And Mr. K. Yes. >> Motion passes. Do I dare move on to presentations and reports? >> Well, first I'll keep it short. I know I know Colette, you have to go home and shave
the whole meeting. With that being said, I'd like to take this opportunity to wish everybody a very very happy Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy holidays. Um to be with your family and appreciate your family, appreciate what you have in life. God bless you all and
I'll see you around town. down to council. >> Yeah. Um, council president, if it's okay, I would just like to read a statement. >> 10 seconds. >> Do my best. >> Yeah. Um, I wanted to take this time to
quickly share my thoughts and feelings as tonight marks my last town council meeting. First, I would like to thank every resident, whether they were Republican, Democrat, or independent, who four years ago gave me the chance to serve the public.
The this privilege that the residents gave to me is something special that I will carry with me for the rest of my life. I learned so much about our town, its people, and why Peripany is truly the place to be. While at times things certainly got heated, I believe
disagreements can be healthy and we're always rooted in what we believe was the best path forward for the town. Mayor Barbario, I know that uh many times we did not see eye to eye, but I feel we always saw heartto-heart on caring
caring about the town that we both love. Council Vice President Neglia, I wish you nothing but the best with your new grandchildren and that you get to enjoy your growing family and uh maybe you will even coach Noah one day since I
have a suspicion you'll be running part Troy West in 5 years. Um but to uh Council President Karifi McGrath and Hernandez, um I truly wish you nothing but the best and to continue to work collaboratively for Paripan's future. Uh
my words for the next administration are pretty straightforward and he happens to be sitting right there. Make decisions that are in the best interest of the town and not the political ones that you'll be tempted to make on a daily basis. Peripany is a large, diverse, and
growing town with unlimited opportunity. But it also faces challenges that will require steady hound hands to guide it through unfair state affordable housing mandates, growing unaffordability, and the responsibility of keeping our residents safe.
I enjoyed giving residents access to town hall on their own town time by holding monthly office hours. I'm pleased to say that I did over 250 of them. I love the little ones like helping a resident get their street light fixed, assisting a small business owner with having their permit
fasttracked, or hearing how we can just simply do things better. I hope residents will see that I consistently tried to provide solutions to improve our town's finances and never shied away from the hard but necessary decisions on development that I felt were best for
the town's long-term character. I also appreciated getting to meet so many of our dedicated town volunteers and talented township employees who keep our town running. Many of whom I won't name because I would inevitably forget some of them. Personally,
some of the most meaningful moments of my life happened while I had the honor of serving here. During my time on council, I became a husband to my wife Courtney in 2022 and a father to our son Noah in 2024. And because of that, Pipany will always
be woven into the most important chapters of my life. Beyond that, Courtney and I just don't live here. We're building our future. And we found a community we're proud to call home. And we look forward to raising our family in this town, surrounded by our neighbors and friends
who care deeply about where they live and the people around them. The public doesn't often, and Councilman McGrath said that, uh, the public doesn't often get to see the personal sacrifices that that come with public service, the late nights, the
interrupted dinners, uh, all of the moments that you miss because duty calls. And I know that Courtney will be happy knowing that the date nights won't get postponed by last minute constituent need or a town event. And uh I'm especially grateful that Noah will get
to see more of me um before he goes to uh to sleep. But this is not goodbye. While my time on the deis is ending, my commitment to this town is not. I will continue to show up to speak up and to fight for the issues I believe in
because PCPany is not just where I served. It's where my family's future is. In closing, I want to wish all of our residents, our dedicated township employees, and everyone here tonight a very happy, healthy, and hopeful 2026.
And thank you again for allowing me to serve you. >> My turn, huh? >> Absolutely. >> First, I want to thank everyone for coming here tonight to sing Justin and myself off. I think that's great of you to do that. That was really nice of everybody. But but for seriously, first
and foremost, I want to thank all of the individuals that voted for me that put me in this position four years ago to represent you and the town of Precipany. It's been an honor and a privilege. I enjoyed representing you and did so with the utmost respect.
Serving hardworking taxpayers of Piponyany has always come first. I never voted with the administration for the sake of political expediency. I voted based on my conscience and what I believe was the right thing for the people I represent. I viewed my role
strictly as a public service and someone put here to help others. I have deep pride in my record and gratitude to the many residents who supported me throughout my tenure. I want to express my gratitude to all
the council folks I had the privilege to serve with. Five four of them are up here tonight and I thank them wholeheartedly. The mayor always being there to help guide me, give me advice and argue with occasionally. The administration,
our clerk, Colette, thank you for everything. All the town employees, but most of all my family sitting in the audience. I missed many of my family events serving the town and I want to thank them for their understanding and
their support. Those who know me know my history in the town and all I've been lucky to participate in the last 40 years, such as helping the special needs children of town and of the challenger leagues, running little league programs, participating in any other events or
programs I was able to in town, being on the board of education for 15 years, and all the other commitments I took part in. I did so and will continue to do so for one reason, because it's the right thing to do. and to give back to the
town I love and called home since 1966. I've always lived my life this way and will continue to do so. I taught my children this and I hope they teach their children as well. I was grateful for all the folks I met in my tenure as
councilman as well as all the events I was invited to and participated in. It was not only a privilege but an honor and lots of fun. I thoroughly enjoyed meeting all the people of the town and being their guest
at their events. It was very humbling and very heartwarming. Sometimes we may have disagreed in the past and that's okay. We can respectfully disagree because that's normal. That's normal to do.
Respectfully disagree, discuss, debate, but not attack each other. not go after each other's families or, you know, put things on social media or out there that's not true. That's wrong. We don't need to do that. That's not what this town is about. That's not precip. We're
one town. We're all in this together. No matter what your affiliation is, we need to all get along and work together. That's the only way we're ever going to succeed. I leave this position knowing I had the privilege to represent you. I leave this position knowing I did
everything in my power to do what I felt was the right thing to do in my heart and conscience. I always did my best to understand and to do my homework when it came to any subject. I want to thank the people of Precipany for having faith in
me. I want to wish the new people filling in these positions up here the best of luck to succeed because your success means the town is succeeding. And please remember, when you do something, do it because it's the right thing to do, not because someone tells
you you have to do it. You were elected to represent the town and the people of the town, not individuals who have agendas. Your vote is one of the most important things you have. Don't ever let anyone take that from you. Please always remember that you're now an
elected official. When you get up here, you're held to a higher standard. Your job is to do the right thing for the people of Precipity. What you feel in your heart and conscience will always be the right thing. I still plan on continuing to volunteer in town and do as much as I can to continue to help
anyone. I do this as an honor and a privilege. Thank you all again for giving me this remarkable opportunity to represent you and to do what I felt was always the right thing to do in matters that ever came to my attention. I want
to wish you all a very merry Christmas to you and your families, a happy new year and a happy happy holiday season. Thank you everyone. Any other member of council? Okay. Uh township attorney just want to wish everybody a happy Hanukkah and a
merry Christmas. >> Business administrator Cryan. >> Thank you. Thank you, council president, members of council, mayor. Um, just want to take a moment to sincerely thank Mayor Barbario and council members uh, Miscella and Neglia for their
service to our community over the past four years. You know, public service is demanding work that often goes unseen and your time, energy, and commitment to Porcipany. It's all deeply appreciated. You know, regardless of the outcome of the last of the recent election, your
contributions, leadership, and willingness to serve have helped move this township forward. You each stepped up to do the hard work on behalf of our residents, and that dedication deserves recognition and respect, and I appreciate the
opportunity to have served with you. Um, you're leaving this town in a better place than when we started, so thank you for that. Um, I just wanted to, you know, one of the or two of the items on your agenda tonight, um, the PBA and S SOA
contracts, uh, they're up for consideration and, uh, thank you for considering it, and I hope you do pass it. This, you know, overall, we made stronger contracts by dotting eyes and crossing tees and and doing so
in a fiscally responsible manner for our residents. these men and women in in our uh uh police force are some of the best in the state. And you know, that's my opinion, but I believe it to be fact by working with them and seeing their dedication uh
on a day-to-day basis. They have an incredibly difficult job that is, you know, very underappreciated in many ways, especially when they're out there in the street keeping us safe. When things go wrong, they get blamed. When things go right, they get blamed. So
they deal with members of the public at times when we need them uh uh uh the most and I I really appreciate it. As far as the negotiations go, um I want to thank Lieutenant Tempes Dave Aier and uh
uh patrolman Jiro for their really hard work and dedication to making sure that this was done professionally and uh in a manner that um was a win-win for the township and uh the members. Um so
again, I I I thank you for that. the affordable housing and uh redevelopment uh uh items that were on the agenda tonight. Just want to remind everybody that these were about meeting our courtmandated affordable housing obligation responsibility while
protecting existing neighborhoods and stabilizing the tax base. It's not all done in one year. Every all these units I keep talking about is over a 10-year period and it passing this protects us which is a good thing. I've been
involved in every single one of the mediation sessions with uh this judge. Um he made it very clear that if this didn't pass, he was going to put our plan uh uh uh he was going to dictate
our plan. That's not something that is wise for the residents, for anybody involved. Um so, you know, doing nothing was not really a neutral option. The inaction shifts the decision to him and made it a
much more uh difficulti uh situation. It reduced our control and increased financial risk to taxpayers. That's clear and he made that clear. Um merry Christmas to everybody and happy uh to everybody. And uh the manura lighting is
on the 18th so please or uh yeah on the 18th um here at 7 p.m. So please come and join us for that. And that's all I have. Thank you. Uh, moving along to non-consent agenda R2025206 approving annual compensation for board
members of five district number four in accordance with NJSA 48 colon 14-88 motion to approve the above resolution please motion >> second. >> Can I get a motion? I need a motion. >> Oh, make a motion. >> Second. All right, guys. I need uh stay with me here. All right. Second. All
right. >> All right. >> So, uh, roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mr. Uh, McGrath, Mr. Michella, Mr. Neglia, and Mr. Mr. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. R25207 authorizing execution of a release in favor of Douglas M. Holler and State
Farm in Indemnity Company exchange for payment of the $50,000 property damage policy limit under their insurance policy. Motion to approve the resolution above, please. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Hernandez, seconded by Mr. Mucella. Roll call. Miss
Hernandez, Mr. McGrath, Mr. Mucella, Mr. Neglia, and Mr. Karifi. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. R 20225208 authorizing the planning board of the township of Sydney Troy Hills to conduct a preliminary investigation of certain property identified as a portion of block 136 lot 4.3 43.4
and located at one Upper Pond Road to determine whether such property qualifies as an area in need of redevelopment on a non-ddemnation basis. Motion to approve the resolution. >> Motion second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by uh Mr. Mucella. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes.
>> Mr. Mucella. >> Yes. Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> Mr. Karif. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. R2025 209 purchase of one Western Star 47X rolloff truck and accessories. Motion to approve the above resolution. >> Make a motion. >> Motion made by uh Mr. Mella. Seconded by
Miss Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. >> Mr. Mella. Yes. >> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> Mr. Karifi. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. R. 925 uh 210 purchase of 18T on Falcon RME asphalt hot patcher
hook lift unit and accessories. Motion to approve the resolution. Please >> make a motion. Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Musella. Seconded by Mr. Neglia. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. >> Mr. Mella. Yes. >> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> Mr. Karifi. >> Yes.
>> Motion passes R 2025 211. Purchase of one Caterpillar Inc. model 938 wheel loader and accessories. Motion to approve the resolution above. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. >> Mr. Marella. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Kari? >> Yes. >> Motion passes R 2025 212. Purchase and installation of Zetron Max. Call taken. And NG 911 upgrade equipment of Sipony Police Department. Motion to approve. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by
uh Miss Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. Mr. Michelle, Mr. Neglas, Mr. Karpi. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. R225 213 purchase of Microsoft Entra IDP1 Microsoft Office 365 G1. Microsoft Office 365 G3 and
Enterprise Mobility Plus SEC G3. Motion to approve. >> Motion second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Misella. >> Roll call. Miss Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. Mr. Misella. Yes. >> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. K? >> Yes.
>> Motion passes. R 2025 214 appointing Marannne Willis Cutier as director of human services. Motion to approve. >> Motion second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by Miss Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez.
>> Mr. McGrath. Yes, Mr. Mella. Mr. Neglia and Mr. Karifi. Motion passes R25 cancelelling 2023 tax overp payments. Motion to approve the above resolution. >> Make motion. Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia seconded by Mr. Mucella.
Um, Mr. Hernandez, >> yes. >> Mr. McGrath, >> yes. >> Mr. Mucella, >> yes. >> Mr. Neglia, >> yes. >> And Mr. Green, >> yes. >> Motion passes. R 20 to 256, issuing a new hotel motel liquid license to Argeni
Restaurant LLC. Motion to approve. Could sit here all night. All right. Motion made by Mr. Hernandez, seconded by Mr. Mucella. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez, >> yes. >> Mr. McGrath, Mr. Mella, Mr. Neglia, Mr. Neglia, Mr. Karifi, >> yes.
>> Motion passes. R 2025 2017, authorizing transfer between budget appropriations. Motion to approve. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Nandez. Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Mr. Michella. Mr. Neglia. Yes. Mr. Kipi. >> Yes.
>> Motion passes. R 2025 218 authorizing a grant application FY 2027 strategic plan submission for the governor's council on alcoholism and drug abuse motion please >> make a motion second >> motion made by Mr. uh Musella seconded by Mr. Neglia roll call Mr. Hernandez
>> yes >> Mr. McGrath Mr. Mella Mr. Neglia and Mr. Yes. >> Motion passes R 1225 219 person to person and place to place transfer of plenary retail consumption license of 1515 license inc toximoto LLC. Motion to approve.
>> Motion second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by Mr. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez, Mr. McGrath, Mr. Mucella. Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. K. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. R 202520 authorizing the appointment of two new
police officers. >> Make a motion. Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Mucella, seconded by Mr. Neglia. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. >> Mr. Mucella. Mr. Neglia. Yes. >> And Mr. Karifi. >> Yes. >> Motion passes.
R 2025 221 supporting Cipher Dispensary LLC's application to the Cannabis Regulatory Commission for a Class 5 recreational dispensary license. May I have a motion to approve? >> Motion second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by
Mr. Mucella. >> Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. >> Mr. Mucella. Yes. >> Mr. Neglia. And Mr. Cari. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. R 20225222 supporting Mindset Dispensary LLC's
application to the Cannabis Regulatory Commission for Class 5 Recreational Dispensary. Motion to approve. Counc >> this is there this is the fourth >> the three now and they are >> Yeah. Is there there's uh the ordinance
that just passed to expand it to five. This is is there a holding period? Is this allowed to be voted on now? >> Uh Mr. Yeah. No, I think I think it's affect the meat on that one. It's not a bond ordinance. We 20, you know, >> there's two on here though. >> Yep.
>> Okay. >> Motion to approve. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> Motion made by um Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. >> Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. Mr. McGrath. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mella?
>> Yes. >> Mr. Neglia? >> Yes. >> And Mr. Karifa? >> Yes. R 202523 223 authorizing the execution of memorandum of agreement with the precipany PBA local number 13. This is what these guys been waiting for this whole time. I poor guys. Poor guys,
man. Damn. Sorry. I need uh motion by Mr. Second. >> Second. >> Second by Miss Hernandez. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. >> Mr. Mella. Yes. >> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Karifi. >> Yes. R 20225224
authorizing the execution of a memorandum of agreement with the precipany PBA local number 131 Superior Office Association motion to approve. >> Motion >> second. >> Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by Mr. Hernandez. Roll call. >> Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath. Yes. Mr. >> Mella. Yes. Mr. Neglia. Yes.
>> And Mr. Karif. >> Yes. R 2025 202 225 resolution of the township council of the township of Troy Hills authorizing the execution of a mediation agreement with fair share housing center in connection with the fourth round affordable housing dispute resolution program pursuant to NJSA 52
call in 27D this is not okay so so we're very clear these were two last minute additions that must be placed on the record so I do understand they're not on the resolution but they must be put up for a vote so I have two resolutions this one has to do with the affordable housing that I just read by title I can
read it again just for your edification. R 2025225 resolution of the township council of the township of precipany Troy Hills authorizing the execution of a mediation agreement with fairshare housing center in connection with the fourth round affordable housing dispute resolution
program pursuant to NJSA 527D-304.1. >> What does that mean? >> That is a great question. I'm going to go ahead and leave that to our council to uh interpret that for you guys. Oh, this is the this is approving the agreement the settlement agreement. So,
what you guys just passed with the um including the park project. That's what this is. >> So, this this resolution is doing is approving the settlement agreement that they had with the park project for those that couldn't hear in the back >> for the entire >> for the entire entire project. Entire
>> the entire fourth round >> the entire fourth round plan. >> Entire plan. >> Entire plan. >> Right. >> Yes. >> Okay. Can I get a motion? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Hernandez, seconded by Mr. Mucella. Roll call. Mr. Hernandez,
>> yes. >> Uh, Mr. McGrath, >> no. >> No. >> Mr. Mella, >> yes. >> Um, Mr. Neglia, >> yes. >> And Mr. Karifi, >> yes.
>> 4-1. Motion passes. We have one more. uh R202526. It's the resolution of the township of council of the township of Parcipony Troy Hills designate an employee to serve as public agents compliancy officer for matters concerning PL 1975 C
127 as regulated by the state of New Jersey affirmative action office. Can I get a motion to approve? >> Motion second. >> Motion made by Mr. Mucella. Oh no, no. Motion made by Mr. Neglia. Seconded by Mr. Mucella. Roll call. >> Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Misella. Yes, >> Mr. Neglia. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Curry. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. >> Okay. Moving along to approval of payroll and bills list. CFO Angelica Sabatini authorization for payment number one authorizes payment of
December 19th, 2025 regular miscellaneous payroll estimated 1,650,000 and two payment of bills from voucher list of 12625 which is $745,313.35. Motion to approve. >> Motion second. Motion made by Mr. Neglia, seconded by Mr. Michella. Is
this going to be your last motion? It's >> the last motion. >> All right. By Mr. Misella. Uh, roll. >> I wouldn't have it on any other one. >> Mr. Hernandez, >> Mr. uh, No, no, you're fine. Mr. Mr. McGrath, >> yes. >> Mr. Mucella, Mr. Neglia, >> yes. >> And Mr. Karifi. So, I think for the
adjournment, we need to have uh Mr. uh, Neglia and Mr. Mucella uh, adjourn the motion. So, can I please have a motion to adjurnn? I'll make that motion. >> So motion by We're gonna we're gonna say motion by Mr. Enlia, seconded by Mr. Michella.
>> You vote no. We have to still go, right? >> Thank you for your service, gentlemen. >> We got another four years. >> Can I get a roll call? Mr. Hernandez? >> Yes. >> Mr. McGrath? >> Yes. >> Mr. Mella? >> Yes. >> Mr. Neglia? >> Yes. >> I know it's hard. Mr. Karifi,
>> yes. >> We are adjourned, everyone. Thank you. You guys have a great night. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Happy holidays. >> End of the year. >> End of the year.