responsibilities. >> All right, we're on record. >> Mom. >> Yes. >> Good evening and welcome to the meeting of the Township of Precipany Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. It is Wednesday, March 18th, 2026,
and it is 7:30 p.m. Announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104-6 at set of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act.
Roll call. We have Mr. Burkowitz. >> I'm here. >> Mr. Josowitz >> here. >> Mr. Modi >> here. Miss Neglia >> here. >> Mr. uh Mr. President >> here. >> Mr. Ready >> present. >> Chairwoman Grani >> present. >> We have our board engineer Mr.
Lammanowitz >> here. >> Who I believe is also serving tonight as board planner and our board attorney Mr. Johnson >> here. >> Would you please stand and join the board in the pledge of allegiance? I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Uh we have correspondence. One moment
please do that. The meeting is open to the general public. If you have any questions other than what is on our agenda this evening, please come forward. I see none. Nora, we have correspondence
received from uh Rosemary Derek Stone Dowy. uh requesting that application 2581, Pentagon Services, Block 211, Lock 15, be carried from this evening to April 22nd,
700 p.m. without further notice and with an extension of time for the board to make decision on the case through April 23rd, 2026. >> Six 23rd April 23rd, 2026. Motion, please. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> All right. And then we're going to >> Is that 7 p.m.? >> It is 700 p.m. >> 7 p.m. >> on what day? >> 22nd of April. >> 22nd of April. Yes. >> 7 p.m. >> Resolutions. No, please.
>> Okay. Okay. We are going to group the first three. Application 2577 uh >> the gas uh block 120 lot 16 application
2536 periq block 533 lot 7 and application 2561 Delara block 533 lot 19. Those who can vote are Burkowitz, Josowitz, Modi, Ready, and Grani. Can I have a motion?
>> Second. >> Burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Joshitz, >> yes. >> Modi, >> yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Gyani, >> yes. >> And then we have application 2532, uh, T-Mobile, block 712, lot 43.
Those who can vote are Josowitz, Neglia, Ready, and Grani. Can I have a motion? So moved. >> Second. >> Jascowitz. >> Yes. >> Neglia. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Granotti. >> Yes. >> Okay.
Would you please announce the dates for the application 2438 Islamic Community Culture Center? >> Yes. Um, occupation 2438, uh, the Islamic Center
on South Beick Road. Uh, we have two dates, uh, that they will be heard. Wednesday, April 15th, 700 p.m. and Wednesday, June 10th, also 700 p.m. And the meeting will be held at Pipony High
School on Baldwin Road. May we please also state that all of new information, planning and uh site plans, whatever we need 10 days before we hear this application again.
>> Yes, that's that meeting. Is that how it how it will >> So you're you're scheduling the meeting for April 14th, 2026 on >> April 15th. >> April 15th. >> April 15th. Sorry. April 15th, 2026 on the condition that all reports and plans
that were discussed at the prior meeting are submitted to the board at least 10 days in advance of that date. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Yes. >> And that's at 7:00 p.m. >> Yes, >> that is at 700 p.m. >> So, April 5th is a Sunday.
>> 15th, right? But 10 days before is the 5th. So, we want it in by the 3rd. It >> have to be >> April 3rd. Yes. Okay. >> You'll put that in there. I'll make sure that Mr. Shep is aware. Thank you. >> Okay. May I have a motion for these dates and for having all plans in by
April the 3? >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Okay. >> All right. Application 2546. Tambaya. Sorry if I pronounced the name
incorrectly. 129 Northfield Road, block 224, lot 6, zone R3. A C variance to construct a first floor edition, second floor edition, front covered porch, front stairs, an open deck with stairs
contrary to section 430-35, columns 5, 10, and 13, and section 430-10 I. This application is carried from the February 11, 2026 date.
>> Can you raise your right hand, please? >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? You can sit down. Make sure you're close to the microphone. State your name and spell your last
name, please. >> My name is Sales Stroadia. T R A M B A D I Y A. >> So I understand that you want to build an addition. >> Correct. >> Addition of the backyard. >> Excuse me.
>> Edition in a backyard. >> Correct. And the last time you were here, there was a discussion about a report that came from the engineering department. Correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. What have you done since then? Did you talk to the engineering department? I know that the board has another letter
but why don't you just tell the board what happened? >> Yes. So uh I talked to engineering department and uh they provide um I need to provide uh the storm water uh sweep pit and uh also there was a variant um that you guys are concerned about that.
So I have all the propulsion from engineer letters as well as the drawings. >> Okay. So it's my understanding that you have amended your plans to include a dry well. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. And um did you see a copy of the
March 6th, 2026 letter from the engineer? >> Yes. >> You have that? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. >> Okay, great. I just want to make sure you've seen that, right? >> It's that one.
>> March 6, 2026. >> Yes. >> Okay, great. And you understand that in that letter he's requesting uh that you um the soil has to be observed by the department. You understand all those conditions in there? >> Yes.
>> Okay. And you're willing to satisfy all those conditions? >> Correct. >> You have any questions about that? >> No. >> Okay. >> Do we have any questions from the board on this application? >> No. >> No.
Is there anyone in the audience that have any that has any questions on this application on the testimony that has been given by this gentleman? I see. Anyone in opposition to this application? I see none. Would one of
our members please >> uh this is a >> Did just before we go further, did we discuss everything else other than the impervious coverage? You know, in your notes, Mr. Johnson, if we touch base, >> I I don't know how far he got in the
application. >> Right. >> Um before we address the issue of the engineers letter, >> um I know there there are other variance variances requested other than impervious coverage. >> Right.
>> Just to be to be squared away, you need to get something else on the record. >> Sure. As to >> I'll ask some questions about >> I just think we'll cover. >> Yep. Yep. Okay. So could you explain to the board um you've asked for certain variances. For example, there's a sideyard variance. You want to go 9 and
1/2 ft to the sideyard. The zoning would require 10 ft. Why do you need to place the addition in that particular location? >> So it was a previously there. I just did a uh upgraded version. We didn't change anything prior to that or any anything
addition to that. Uh but as for uh my understanding there are uh like a fence and a drive driveway uh those are comes in a a little bit above uh the requirements uh which is for like u variance but I got the letters uh um
assigned uh as well as that I I'm uh okay with uh if they need to make a changes or anything that I'm willing to do that. >> Okay. So, I'm looking at your plans and it looks like your existing house is 9.72
ft from the property line, right? Is that right on the right hand side? >> Okay. And the addition is going to come to that same point except for what looks like it might be a bay window. Is there a bay window over there? Yeah, it's
above not the bottom one. This one is >> So there's a bay window on the second story. >> The second story only. >> So is the line the wall line of the addition lined up to the wall of the existing house where does it follow the same distance
between the house and the property line? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So in order so that it looks correct, you want the addition to be in the same line >> on the same line as the existing house. Is that correct? >> Yes. And that's why you need the variance. Is
that correct? >> Yes. >> Because otherwise it would be it would look weird because it would bump in from the property line. Correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And then you have a deck on on the back. Is that correct? >> Yes. So I have a
Holland deck uh which is in the back already exist. I'm just going to move it to after the addition. >> So you're going to the deck that's there now. Will the new deck be the same size as the existing deck? >> Yes. >> It'll just be now it'll be off the addition
>> as opposed to off the original house. Correct. >> Would someone like to make a recommendation please to approve this application? >> This one. >> Uh, sure. >> Thank you. Application 25 col 46 Al Pesh
Trombodia 129 Northfield Road block 224 lot 6 zone R-3 recommend granting a receive barren to construct a first floor edition second floor edition front covered porch front stairs and open deck which stairs contrary to section 430-35
columns 510 and 13 and section 430-10i I and in agreement with all the requirements ments uh set forth by the engineering department. >> Second. Ready. >> Burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Modi. >> Yes.
>> Neglia. >> Yes. >> Patty. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Griyani. >> Yes. Applications approved. You will be receiving a letter and at that time you
may come and apply for your permits. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Enjoy them. Application 25 col 40 Mark tell 18 Jefferson Avenue block 598 lot 25 zone
R4 a C variance to legalize a shed contrary to section 430-10 C side and rear yards section 430-10i I and section 430-34
columns 10 and 13 this application was carried from the Jan January 14th, 2026 time. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? The other right hand. Sorry. It's okay. And I'm sorry. I apologize. I didn't mean anything. Um, you swear or
affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Okay. Have a seat. Make sure you're close to the microphone. State your name and spell your last name. >> I would like to bring these to exhibit. >> Hold on a second. State your name, spell your last name. >> Mark. Mark Tel. Last name is Tell T L.
>> Okay. Now, the last time you were here, um I I think the board went through some of the testimony because I do recall this is I think this is your father's house. >> Yeah. >> There was some sheds that were built. >> Yes. >> Not quite sure whether there were permits granted for those sheds, but you
were you coming before the board to try to clear that up, right? >> And there was an engineering letter from the town that dealt at least with the storm water issues with respect to your application. >> Correct. So, what have you done since that? >> So, what I've done is is taken pictures
cuz that I want to show evidence of what it is that we're looking at because the storm water um percentage or whatever it is with the land, the water runoff, it's basically a normal property, but there's a lot of rock
gardens and whatnot. So, maybe that on the survey because I had to get a survey in the beginning. So, I'd like to produce these pictures to you. So, there's a set of pictures that the board has. It's a set of nine pictures that the board has in their package. Are
these the same pictures that you're talking about? >> I have nine pictures myself that I just got today. Um, >> the pictures the board has are >> The board has those Oh, these are code enforcement pictures. You have you have additional pictures. You want the board, >> right? I want to show what I took down,
which which was in the in the property line. >> Okay. Hold on a second. Before you show them, how many pictures do you have? >> I have nine. >> Nine of the same thing. >> I don't know what those pictures are that you have. Okay. >> So, what what what we need to do is we need to actually what we call mark those
pictures for identification. So, we're going to mark those A1 through A9. So, you have one set of each picture >> uh of what I took because it wasn't really understand what I should take. I took pictures of what I wanted to show
you that what it is exists. >> So, this is what we're going to do. You You have a pen down there? >> I don't. >> Okay. Take my pen. >> On the upper right hand corner of that picture, >> write an A1 on.
>> Yeah. >> I'm going to write which All right. A1. >> A1. And then tell the board what that picture is after you write the A1 on there. >> All right. This is a picture
of where there was there was a small you can barely see it, but the property line is right here. And I had a small shed that built off of this and it ran into the 6 foot of the fence line.
>> So I ripped it down and it was built only to store my motorcycle. Was that a wooden shed? >> It was just a little tarp kind of structure. >> We have Excuse me, sir. We have a
picture of a blue tarp um in in on the side. >> If I saw what you had. >> Yeah. Why don't you take that? >> Okay. Is the shed that you took down that you described on A1 shown in any of the nine pictures that you're looking
at? >> Yes. >> Which one? >> It would be the first one. >> The upper upper >> left hand >> left hand corner. Now you can see my new one with the shed. God gone.
It is just a house with the overhang. >> Oh, okay. So this here's his car. There was a small structure next to it and that was too close to the border of the fence line. You know your your picture. >> Okay. Gotcha. So the
>> So I'm showing it. Unfortunately, it was sunny out earlier, >> but this is gone now. That's just a tarp under under the on the bike itself, but there's no structure there anywhere. >> Okay. So that shed >> it's gone >> which was to the to the right of the house
>> to the right of the house >> to the prop close to the property has now been removed. >> Yes it has. >> Okay. >> That's what this shows. >> Okay. >> Wait. Could you just repeat that one more time? I'm a little confused. So we have this is Can we go back to this? >> Sure. I think the pictures the pictures
are not organized in the same >> for whatever reason that's looking at me. Okay. So on this picture and this is a quot code enforcement case. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. >> And the picture in I guess the sixth one
>> top. >> So this is the structure we're talking about. We're talking about top right now. >> That's top on yours. Top on to the right. the one with the um showing the
car facing the photographer >> in the middle of the frame. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Right. >> Okay. >> Does everyone got that same picture? >> Yes. >> Yeah. You could also see the same one down below in the middle of the bottom. >> That's what we're looking >> That is this with it removed. So that
shed is gone. >> Okay. >> How big was that shed approximately? Five 6 foot by uh 8 foot. >> So a 6 by 8 foot shed right >> has been removed. >> It's gone. >> That was the code enforcement issue.
>> No. No. >> Right. >> That was part of it. >> That was part of >> I think it was part of it. Mr. >> Right. Part of there was an overhang in one of the other structures >> in a in a different in a shed that was uh in the back of the yard. There's a structure
where my father had built these uh overhangs that kind of stick out. It's a little too I don't know. >> Either way, I want that's why I bought pictures to show you that it's really >> other than removing that shed.
>> Have there been any other changes made to the property since the last time you were here? >> No. >> Okay. Okay. >> I I just want to show you what's existing. Yeah. >> So before you show us that, so just so
we have it clear, this is a shed. >> Is that what we're talking about? And there are multiple entrances to the shed. >> Go to the the bottom the bottom center picture. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> I think these pictures are different.
>> But we're you were asking about shed, >> right? >> Sh. >> So then we're looking at this. We have a different picture. >> That is We have That is not his house. >> No, that's like his picture as a car. I don't have a >> And that's not tonight.
>> Okay. All of our pictures here are different. >> They came out in a different order. You have the same picture. >> Are there two separate structures on the property? >> The only structure that that's of concern is the shed in the back. >> But what was his concern of of walking
in through the driveway was a small shed that I built my motorcycle? >> No, I don't. I don't mean No, I don't think that's correct. I think >> the the concern was that you had a structure that you're calling the shed that had three entrances.
>> Okay. That's what that's what I think that >> that's where we're at. Yeah. Does that still exist? >> It does exist. >> Okay. >> It does exist and I have pictures of it of it here. >> Okay. So, you're going to show us pictures of that separate structure that
you're calling a shed that has three entrances. >> It's been there for 30 years. He's got permits for everything. The only thing was a a an overhang possibly when the surveyor came out was maybe too close to
the to the border of a backyard. Is that what the whole >> It was about overhangs and things too close to the fence line. >> The code inforcement issue was that it was set up for someone to live there. There was a tenant living there.
>> Is there a tenant living there? >> No. >> Absolutely not. >> Never. >> No. Well, for two weeks there were there was a a friend stayed in the back. Okay. >> And my father is 90 years old and he didn't want a wife staying there. So he
started calling the town multiple times and that's why we're here. >> Your father called the town. >> My father did. Believe it or not, >> I don't believe it actually. >> He didn't want my buddies sleeping back there. So that that was that. So he
started all this and and yeah, I'm trying to get through it. I own the property. I took it over for him. I pay all everything for it. >> Okay. >> So it's my problem. So he's like, I don't want this. >> Well, it is your problem, but we have to, I think, also resolve the fact
whether or not the code enforcement issue has been rectified. >> Am I right, Mr. Johnson? >> Well, the code enforcement issue, the the shed is no longer being used as an elite apartment. >> All right. So, that's been rectified.
>> That's been rectified. Has the kitchen been removed from the shed? There was never a kitchen, which I would like to show you a picture of cabinets without a sink. You know, it that's all it is. >> Well, that doesn't mean it's not a kitchen. >> It's not a kitchen. >> Is Is there Is there cooking facility in
there? >> No, there's nothing in the >> Is there plumbing in there? >> No. Nothing. >> There's no plumbing in there. >> There's nothing in the kitchen. >> There's no running water in that. >> You just said there's nothing in the kitchen >> in the shed? No. >> Well, according to code enforcement, uh plumbing had been set up. There was
something set up back for like bathroom flushing the toilet >> there. There is water there. It's all been turned off. Everything's turned. Everything's off. >> Is there Is there a bathroom in that structure? >> Not any longer. No. >> And so So was there a bathroom in that
structure? >> There there was a bathroom. Yeah, there was. >> Has the bathroom been removed? >> It has been removed. >> Okay. >> All of the All of the fixtures for a bathroom have been removed. >> No. No, we haven't just plumbing has been shut off. >> That's it. But the toilet is still
there. >> When I when I ask you, has the bathroom been removed? >> No. No, it hasn't. >> It has not been removed. >> No. >> Okay. The water has been shut off, right? >> But the bathroom has not been removed. >> No. >> Why is there a ban there?
>> I was unclear. Well, it was all supposed to get hooked. You know, it was we're trying to get it liveable, but it never happened. And what's what's happened is I I didn't know if if I should shut
everything off beforehand or what. You wanted pictures. I'm getting you pictures. I need to know what what else I need to do. >> Remove a functioning bathroom. >> Not a problem. It's It's Well, do you have to take a toilet out
>> and anything else? You don't have a sink there with running water? >> Water shut off. But is there a >> But that doesn't really you just turn it back on. That's not resolving. What does he need to do? Mr. Johnson, come >> He's got There's a number of >> variances
um that are called out in Jen's July 16th, 2025 number. Now, those are probably different now that the one shed that was removed has been removed, but have you done? So, they're
the shed is too close to both the sideyard and the rear yard. It's supposed to be 6 ft away. It's 4 and 1/2 ft away. Has anything been done to correct that situation? >> That that variance is because of an overhang. That's all it is. because what
he originally got permits for everything and it was all within the fence. >> How how do you know he got permits for everything? >> Uh it's it's it's in the records. >> Do you have the copy of those records? >> I I don't right now. No. >> Have you asked the the uh town whether
>> it's back in uh I think we're looking at 30 years ago when way he actually built this. So, so you you're relying on something that perhaps your father told you about getting permits, but you actually haven't seen any permits, have you? >> I talked to the engineers and they saw
the permits that were pulled for the foundation of the shed that we're talking about. So, all all this structure was there. It was permits were all pulled for that. >> Okay. The only thing was that later on he built an overhang that when the
surveyor came that overhang was slightly uh less than 6 ft from the fence line of the rear uh you know residence. >> Okay. Do you have >> that's what fell off, you know. >> Do you have pictures of that with you tonight? >> I do. >> Okay.
>> I have a picture of why it was not in. So why why don't you put why don't you >> put an A2 on that >> A2 >> and explain to the board what it is that that picture shows. >> Is it removed >> the Okay, so
this right here is the backyard. Just looking at the structure of the shed. Okay, this little overhang here he built afterwards and that is not in compliance >> on the rear. It's in the rear. Yeah.
>> No. No. Is that picture show the rear of the shed closest to the rear property line? I just want to orient >> right >> where that picture is taken from. >> Yeah. This is >> You can see it kind of >> So that overhang.
>> What is the purpose of that overhang? >> So you could store uh chainsaws in there. It's like a little a little closet and he just built an overhang and it's you know tools. >> Yeah, I think this is it. >> Was it enclosed that part?
>> That little spot is enclosed. The big blue to >> Yeah. >> is just open with other stuff behind it, >> you know. But this is all enclosed. All this this area is all within the fence line. It's this little little uh
overhang that sticks out that makes it less than six feet from the from the backyard, you know. I mean, yeah, it's a back back of the shed. I don't know when he built that little overhang. That was some somewhere years
later, but when he built the structure that >> everything was under code and within the fence line. >> So over on that overhang, that's a roof, too. It's a Yeah, it's just like a little roof over. >> So, remember, one of the problems could be that the water goes from the roof
>> onto your property, onto your neighbor's property, >> right? It's now closer than the 6 ft var uh the 6 ft that's required. You're breaking that boundary. >> So, that's one thing that could happen. >> My neighbor's not complaining about it.
I can tell you that because, you know, it's it's really minimal. Any kind of water actually go down there. Let me see if I can show you a better another picture. I mean, this is the this is the backyard. It's, you know, there it's a
lot of rock gardens and whatnot, you know. Um, >> and there's also a pond in front of the shed. >> There is a Yeah, I have a picture of This is the front. I don't know if you can see the tunnel,
but there's a big pine tree there and there's a pond right in front of the shed. And I believe all that is is appliance. >> The the overhang that you are discussing in the back of the shed, >> right?
>> Does that have a door leading into the shed? >> Uh, it has a door. Yes. Yes. It would be figurative shed and it's like a little structure with one. >> We have the pictures that you have that Mr. Johnson gave you. >> Yes. >> Could you please point to the one that I
am referring to? Is it to the bottom >> to the right to the left of the bottom? >> It would be the middle to the right. >> Can you show us? >> Sure. Show us. >> Middle right is the same picture that
I'm showing you. So, you have this picture basically, >> right? We said, >> see, you see that little tiny uh little overhang right there. >> Mhm. Okay. >> That's what came up uh less than 6 foot from the fence line.
>> And that's that's the >> just the overhang. A little little >> Okay. And there's a door there also. >> It has its own door. Yeah. >> And that's You're saying that's where your father keeps his >> tools, chains, >> tools, equipment, and what have you, >> right? Gas cans. How long is that uh
overhang? >> What's that? >> How how big is that? Is like couple of feet. >> Yeah, >> the overhang >> about four 4 feet uh wide and maybe whatever it sticks out over the uh over the other overhang is
probably 2 ft. So it's this is >> 4T is too big. >> There's so much going on here. >> So much. It's not 4 feet hanging into the fence line. It's maybe a foot or two
foot hanging into the fence line. >> It's hard to actually get a tape measure from the top. >> You have a lot going on here, Mr. Tell. There's We're trying to >> I know >> go along with what you're showing us or telling us to the pictures that we have
and it's a bit confusing. >> It is. I know. >> It's been going that that direction. And so so we I think we understand the issue with the rear of the shed. The rear Okay. I think we I think the board understands that issue. So now I I think
the board I think I think we understand that. >> All right. So now there's another issue on the right set right yard setback. That's also 4 and 1/2 ft and it's supposed to be 6 ft. What what is on that side of the shed? >> That was in the beginning of the house.
That was that small motorcycle shed that I built. That's gone. That was the four and a half in the beginning of the house. First property line, right? >> So the shed that's in >> So that's the one that I I ripped out. >> Okay. So the shed that's in the rear >> is 6 ft from the property line. >> Yes, it is.
>> There's no overhang. That's 4 and 1/2 ft. It's entirely 6 ft from the property line. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. So you no longer need a variance for sideyard setback cuz you removed the shed >> that caused the need for that variance. Correct. >> Says God. Yes, I took care of
>> We're getting somewhere. >> Yeah, >> I know. It was confusing for me also. So, >> okay. So, now there's a deck. Where's the deck? >> The deck's on the back of his house. >> The deck's on the back of the main house. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, that shouldn't be any
>> I think that's that picture. We can definitely see a deck. >> And we also see the blue tarp. >> And we see a deck. Where's the deck? Is that the deck? >> Cuz he has tarps everywhere basically.
>> Okay. Yes. >> So that's the deck. >> That All right. So that's the deck. >> Yes. The bottom >> right hand. That would be you looking from the back of the yard looking to the front of the front of the back of the house. >> Okay. >> Has has anyone been out to zoning from
zoning since you took that smaller shed down? >> No. I was just speaking to people over the phone or you know the um I think it was the uh who would that be it was with the environmental about the
water seek >> what I'm trying to get at is there's two variances one for building coverage and one from for imperous coverage >> do you know if removing the shed that you did removed would have had an impact
on the need for those variances do you know the answer to that I would think removing that would would bring everything back into the fence line area. >> Well, that's not what I'm asking. Um, >> in front of you, >> impervious coverage and the land and the house coverage is you're only allowed to
build so much structure on a land on your land, >> right? >> The other issue is that you have to have enough of the property so where the water could seep back into the ground. >> Okay? >> So, you're allowed 20%, let's say, on your total property. If you're a 25, you
have to come in front of us and try to get a variance. >> So the the Mr. Johnson is asking if you spoke to engineering. >> Yes. >> No. Let me finish. >> Okay. >> And found out that by removing the shed,
are you now compliant in those two requirements? >> Yes. >> He had told me zoning. So the zoning >> Yes. Zoning said that was fine. It was going to be okay with the whole order. >> Okay. So, they would have redone your numbers, right?
>> Right. So, >> no, no, don't say right. They didn't do >> what they would have done if you went back there and corrected it. We don't have any evidence that zoning now says, "All right, you're in compliance or >> No, there's an email they they sent me
that that's in compliance." Um, >> who sent you? >> The next day I spoke to someone. This is back in January, the first time I was here. You spoke to someone from zoning or you >> spoke to next. Yeah. After I came who did just speak to you from zoning, not engineering zoning. >> May maybe it was engineering.
>> I think it was probably engineering. >> Whatever it was, I was told to call and find out about this water thing, you know. So, I did and then well actually he called me too and we went back and forth and he he said it was it was going to be okay.
>> But we don't know who he is. That's the problem. We need we would normally need proof in a letter. >> I can find an email. >> The we the board has a letter from the engineering department with respect to the storm water issue. We're talking
about something different now. Okay. >> One of the um violations you had with respect to the zoning ordinance was your building coverage and your impervious coverage. Okay. So the zoning official
um prepared a calculation of what you were over in terms of um the overage that you had on both your building and zone and in previous coverage. Okay. Since then >> since then you removed a shed. >> Yes. >> Okay. A 6 by 8 foot shed. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Which may have had an impact on the extent to which you may still be over on your building coverage and imperous coverage. The problem is that the board doesn't know whether you still need a variance and if you do the extent
to which you need a variance because of the fact that you've now removed that shed. You follow me? >> I follow you. When I was when I was speaking to him, he's he said because I I explained to him about all because a lot of these the
shrubbery and the whole backyard being all landscaped out the way he has it also has an effect on the mount things that you're you're building on your land, you know, >> but we don't know who him is. >> What's that? >> We don't know who him is. >> And it wouldn't have been a him. would
have been she >> it would have been Jennifer. >> I spoke to a man there. Uh >> yes, you spoke. >> So that's engineering. Spoke to the gentleman from the next day. I I called and you know found out about >> So would you think that at this point he
needs to go back to >> zoning? It would be an excellent idea to go back to zoning. Tell them that you removed the shed. >> Okay. to inspect them. >> Ask them to come back and see if you still need the same variances that you
needed when the application was originally filed. You may no longer need some of these variances that you're asking for. >> Maybe I'm getting mixed up of who I spoke with you. >> I think that's probably likely. >> It's complicated and and I think the
board understands that you inherited this from your father. >> Yeah, I inherited. We also need to come up with what is the appropriate answer to render the plumbing in the shed non-effective so that that is not an issue. So you're not coming back again.
>> Okay. Well, it it could it could be capped off. Take pictures of everything. Any kind of feed or >> I think the board would love to hear when you come back that that bathroom and that kitchen has been removed. >> Okay. Well, the kitchen's just cabinets,
but the bathroom removed, capped off, whatever, you know, pictures. >> Um, >> so would you like the >> Whatever you want. >> Would you like the board to carry the application so that you can determine with the zoning department
>> what variances you you may still need >> because of the fact that you removed the shed? >> Okay. >> Okay. So, that improved your situation. >> It would help. Yeah. But just tell me who. So I have to talk to zoning then that'll be >> yes.
>> And then is zoning with everything with the the plumbing issue? Every you know zoning is it? Zoning >> zoning is going to handle the um the variances that you potentially might need that might have changed because of the fact that you removed one of the
sheds. >> But what we're telling you for the removal of the plumbing is what we it was what it needs to be. Removes, shut off, done. Gosh. It's >> not only shut off, >> not just shut off. Take >> Take the plumbing fixtures out. >> Fixers are out. Yeah, it's going to go
out. It's going to come out. >> Toilets also. >> Everything gone. It's going to be an open space. >> That is the answer. >> That's not a problem. Forms. We'll take care of that. I didn't know which way. >> No problem. That's the answer. >> Make the shed into a shed. >> Laura, may we have a
>> I think the board would like probably to see pictures or something. >> Yes. I'll show you pictures. >> Nor, may we have a carry date? >> Sure. Look, before I give you a date, if you want pictures for everyone, not just one set or something so everyone can look at here on the day. >> Set of pictures,
>> that'll be 13. >> We don't have everyone here tonight. >> I will make 13 photos. I just did this UPS store tonight. >> Okay. >> The two pictures that you wrote on A1 A2 tonight, you need to give those to North. >> You got it. >> All right. We're going to carry it.
>> I got your your set. So I can look. >> You can keep that. >> Can I keep that? Okay. >> All right. There's A1 A2. >> Yeah. Get that Nor >> and we'll carry you to May 6th, >> 2026. >> Within that time, I'll take care of
everything in the in the bathroom will not be a bathroom. >> Okay. Nor, excuse me, May 5th or 6th. >> 6. 6. Thank you. >> May 6th. >> May 6th. >> 7:30. >> Correct. Okay.
>> Okay. That So I talked to zoning that I would Do you have a name for that person? Jennifer Smith. >> You're not going to go directly to her. You'll speak with the staff in there. Who who's ever up front? Secretary >> because I have a a ton of cards, but I I don't have me right now. >> Right. You'll speak with She'll tell you
what you need so ask for zoning. Okay. >> Right. So the secretary will tell you what you need so uh zoning officer can redo your numbers. >> And you know those the first the first letter you got from zoning? >> Yeah. >> That shows you what was wrong. >> Right.
>> Bring that with you. >> Bring that. Okay. And zoning's the other building down the road. Correct. >> No building is right in this building. Engineering is the other building. That's Yeah. Okay. That's who I spoke with last time. >> Halfway there. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. >> I'm sorry.
>> No, no, >> this is all, you know, new to me. Yeah. >> Well, you're doing fine. >> You have the extensions, required extensions. >> You're going to give the board board all necessary extensions to make your decision. Correct. >> A motion. >> You made >> motion, please.
>> Yes. Correct. You're going to allow the board until May 6th to decide on your application. >> Okay. So, move >> second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you, Mr. Tell. We will see you in May. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. That's all right. It's all
right. We're getting there. Application 25 col 66 Jinzing 252 Marcella Road block 215 lot 12 zone R4 a C variance to legalize a pa
driveway pa walk and concrete area for two AC units contrary to section 430-275X and section 430-35 column 13. This application was carried from January 14th, 2026. Good evening,
Miss >> Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth to hold truth or nothing but you can sit down. Make sure you're close to the microphone. >> State your name and spell your last name, please.
>> Uh, my name, last name spelled Z E N G. >> Okay. Now, I understand um that you were here um because you have a you you installed a PA, driveway, walkway, and some concrete pads for AC units. Is that
right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And then it turns out that because of that, you needed some variances. Is that right? >> Yes. >> You need some variances. Correct. >> Okay. And um you need two variances. one
for driveway setback and one for impervious coverage. Now, the last time you were here, there was a letter that the board received from the municipal engineer. >> Yeah. >> Correct. You recall that? >> Okay. And then since then, you've been back to the engineer.
>> Yes. >> And uh did you show the engineer some additional plans on how you might address storm water runoff? >> I follow all the suggestion the engineer told me to. So we actually installed the uh storm water uh last week and they
came inspect them the whole process. So and the also the zoning department also sent me emails about this uh what I did the project I did. >> So you have you have something from the engineering department and the zoning department? >> Yeah, both. And both email forward to
Nora already, but I also printed out just one copy. So I >> Okay. So, so I I think the board has a March 5th, 2026 letter. >> Yeah. >> From the municipal engineer. >> Yeah. >> You have that? >> No, that that's the Jennifer Smith zoning, right? >> I don't see that. >> I don't I don't see that either.
>> No, there is no That's the township engineer. >> But that's the the title. >> That's CC. >> Oh, C. I'm sorry. >> That's okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> They both are. >> So, so since then you in you actually installed the drywall. >> Yes. And the engineer has been out to
inspect the drywall. >> Yes. Well done. >> And he's indicated that everything's fine. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, that deals with the impervious coverage issue. >> Yes. >> So, let me ask you a question. >> The pavers that you installed to the right of the driveway as you're looking
at your house, >> you have pavers that you installed to the right of the driveway, right? No. >> The right. >> If I look at the house, that is the uh paver walkway. uh left side to the house. If I look at the house,
it's the left side. Go to the only one side. >> So, do you have this drawing in your Do you have that drawing with you? >> Okay. Yes, I have the surveys. Yes. >> That survey? >> Yeah. >> All right. Pull that survey out. >> Yeah, it's here. >> Okay. So, if you look at that survey >> Uhhuh. >> Okay. There's PA driveway, right?
>> Yeah. >> To the left there's an area of pavers, correct? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's >> Can you see what I'm talking about? >> Yes. Yes. Okay. >> Okay. Those pavers, okay, are 2 feet from the property line. Correct. >> No,
this is this is 2 feet or >> six feet? >> I don't know. 6 feet. >> What's two feet? Oh. Oh, I understand. Never mind. I I I stand correct. Okay. Your driveway. Okay. You see how your driveway curves
when it meets the curve line? Okay. >> See how it curves like that? >> Like over here? >> No. On the left hand side of the driveway. >> This one? >> No. Right there where it meets the curve line. Right there. >> Yeah. >> See that right there? >> On the road. >> On the road. See that? >> Okay.
>> Okay. That is 2 ft from your property line and it's supposed to be 5 ft. Do you understand? >> Oh, >> okay. >> I didn't know that. >> Do you understand that? >> Okay. >> Okay. Now let now understanding that let me ask you this question.
>> Why does the driveway curve like that >> as opposed to going straight? >> It's been like this since beginning. >> Okay. Do you know why? >> I don't know. >> For the convenient >> when I bought the house it's already like that. >> Okay. When you bought the house it was like that. When did you buy the house?
>> Uh 11 years ago. >> Okay. So it's been there for at least 11 years. So why did they get me? >> Okay. Okay. >> And so you didn't put the PA driveway in? >> No, I It was asphalt. Then I just
replaced it with the pavers that the PA driveway was I'm sorry. The asphalt driveway was there >> and you put the pavers in the same location >> that the asphalt driveway was. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And you don't know why it curves like that when it gets to the curb? >> I don't know. I don't know.
>> And the curve was there? Yeah. >> With the asphalt driveway also. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Exactly. Same thing she replaced with the >> pavers. Yeah. >> So that's why the asphalt the PA driveway is where it is because you just replaced it.
>> Yeah. >> I don't have any other questions >> either. >> Yeah. >> Is it good? >> What do we do about it? Do we do anything? >> No. >> Decide whether you give her a varants or not. >> Yeah. Are there any questions from the board? >> Existing ones.
>> No. Any questions? >> No. >> No. Is there any questions? You have any other testimony for us to hear? >> No. >> Are you completed with your testimony? >> I think so. >> Yes. >> Yes. Is there anyone in the audience
that has any questions of this applicant on this application? Anyone in favor of this application? I see none. Anyone in opposition to this application? I see John. >> Would one of our members?
>> Yeah, this is a good application. and the applicant uh made efforts to make sure that uh all the engineering concerns are discussed and uh I'm in favor of this >> application 25 col 66 Jing Zen 252
Marcelo Road block 215 uh lot 12 zone R board recommend granting a C variance to legalize a paper driveway paper walk and concrete area for two AC units contrary to section 430- 275X
and section 430-35 comma 13 and since it's already in and been agreed to by the engineer that's it right Mr. Yes. >> Okay. Second. Ready. >> Burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Modi. >> Yes. >> Nlia. >> Yes.
>> Um Ready? >> Yes. >> Gyani. >> Yes. >> Applications approved. You'll be receiving notification at that time. You can apply for your permits. Okay. >> Okay. Lots of luck to you. >> Thank you so much. >> Good job.
>> Application 251. Atoria and Peters 144 Rainbow Trail, block 112, lot 3, zone R3, a C variance to construct front additions, front
portico with below landing and stairs, rear edition, rear covered screen porch, driveway expansion for a total of 622 square ft, front walk and side and rear
walks contrary to section 430-35 columns 4 5 6 10 and 13 and section 430-275X. This application was carried from the January 14th, 2026 date. Good afternoon.
Good evening. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing? >> Yes. >> State your name, spell your last name, please. Make sure you're close to the microphone. >> My name is Laura Peters. My last name is P E T E R S.
>> And you own the property with your wife Jade Atoria. Correct. And and Ms. Atoria is also here. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. Great. And you have a witness with you tonight? >> I do. You raise your right hand, please. >> You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth. >> I do. >> State your name, spell your last name. >> My name is Evan Scott. S O TT. I'm an architect on this project. >> And uh is your architecture license in good standing? >> It is. Yes. >> Have you testified before this board before? >> Uh yes, I have. >> And um you're qualified. >> Yeah.
>> So I understand that since the last time this application was before the board, there's been some modifications to the plans. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Maybe you should walk the board through what those modifications are. >> Sure. Um so we were uh had engineering um items that were listed. We were over
coverage. Uh what we had done was removed uh the proposed and some of the existing uh concrete and proposed structures to get under that 500 square f foot of change requiring the need for uh water engineering. Uh so you're under that requirement.
>> So you no longer need a variance for imperous coverage. Correct. >> Correct. >> Yeah. Engineering report states that. >> Correct. And you no longer need a variance for um driveway setback. Correct. That's no
longer necessary. >> We in the sheet that the board has there's four variances that are required. >> Yep. >> Front yard setback. >> Yep. Side yard. >> Sideyard setback. >> Both sideyards combined setback and building coverage. >> That's correct. Those So you agree that
only those four Yes. >> are necessary, correct? >> Yep. >> Okay. So why don't you go through those variances and explain to the board why they're each needed? >> Sure. Uh so the first variance we're going for is the front yard setback. Uh the existing property line uh if you see
on the site plan is almost halfway into the existing front yard from the street. Um so already we're at a detriment just based on the property line itself. Uh we are adding a front portico to the uh new front door and we are also adding and squaring off the two corners of the
building at the second floor uh which is uh also over the existing front setback line of 40 ft. Um the the proposed second floor uh additions are in line with the existing front facade. The only thing that's projecting out farther is
this covered uh front stoop and steps to the front door. Is that portico covered? >> Yes, it is with a roof structure. >> Uh the second variance we're going for is sideyard setback. Um the propo the
existing property line uh slopes at an angle and it's not parallel to the existing side of the house. So when we square off the corner of the house, we are just um encroaching on that uh setback. Uh, in addition to what the existing is, >> it looks like on on the site plan that
at the existing corner of the house, it's already at 4.5 ft. Is that accurate? >> You got better eyes. >> Uh, 4.6 and then 4.4. Correct. >> So, then it goes So, it's existing at 4.6. You see what I'm talking about right there? The existing corner. >> Yes.
>> And then when you when you square that corner off, >> the new corner will be 4.5 ft. >> Is that right? Have I got that right? We have 64 >> uh 4.4 ft. >> So 2 in difference. >> Correct.
>> Yeah. And that's just the way the property line slopes makes it that much worse. >> That's the minimum. >> And and that'll line it up with the existing house. >> Correct. Yes. >> Same with the rear edition. It lines up with the existing house. Correct. >> Yes. Yeah. That one's farther away than
the existing setback. it's still within the um or still within the required minimum setback, >> right? But then when you add the left side setback to the right the new right side setback, you you need a variance for the both
yard setback. >> Correct. Yeah, the combined is 20 ft. Uh and we do not have that just based on the existing minimum minimal sideyard setback on the one side. >> You're 3 ft short, >> correct? >> Okay. Uh and then the fourth uh item we're
looking for is building coverage. Um the required is 15%, uh we are over that just by squaring off the building and adding to this front portico uh to 20.14%. Um and again uh the existing property in
the zone um is well well undersized what the typical zone requirement is at the minimum for the R3 zone. uh causing us to just be over on this small existing small house. >> So if you had a conforming lot, you wouldn't need a building coverage variance. >> Correct. Correct.
>> A hardship. >> Yeah. >> And you and the both houses on both sides of the property are already developed. >> Uh yes, they are. The one to the left hand side uh is much larger than ours. Uh the one to the right is also developed. Same size and almost the same
setbacks. and and and the rear of the house is on the lake. Correct. >> Correct. >> So, you certainly can't purchase land from the lake, right? >> Yes. To purchase additional land, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> They're proposing a new fence >> and the you're proposing a fence in the in the rear. >> Uh yeah. So, that was added. Uh also, we're looking to just add a fence along the uh two side properties. one from the existing uh right hand front of the house to the back to the lake and then
from the left side back corner of the house to the lake as well. >> And that that's all conforming though. >> That is conforming. Yes. On our property set back uh and then also 4T high. That's that's >> okay. >> What's the height you mentioned?
>> Uh 4t high. >> And that's in the rear yard. >> Correct. >> And doesn't need a variance, right? >> No. Okay. I think so. I don't know. >> Okay. >> Do we have any any other information
that you'd like to testimony? >> That I think is all I've got >> if you want to add any. >> They all know me. >> And um and the way the what's just maybe tell the board from the from the road what's the finished house going to look
like from the road? >> Uh absolutely. Um so we do have a proposed rendering on the side. So um the existing front of the house is two stories uh with a very very low uh second floor space. It's almost like an attic space that was finished when my clients moved in it. Uh but the ceilings
are extremely low. We're looking to raise that ceiling up uh keep it low pitch but just get a full second floor uh so they can actually get two uh bedrooms in that space or three total bedrooms on that second floor. Uh we're looking for a uh dark um cedar style
shaped um siding with a dark roof kind of blend into that lake lake feel. >> It look like the rest of the houses in the neighborhood. It'll blend in. >> Yes. >> Same style. >> Yep. Yeah. Nothing super modern. Just a cottage colonial feel.
>> There any questions from the board? >> No. >> Any questions from the audience on this application? Any questions in favor of this application on the testimony that we've heard? Anyone in objection to this
testimony that we've just heard for this application? I see none. Would one of the members like to uh make a recommendation to approve this application, please? >> Yeah. The applicant made a significant improvement from the last meeting and uh
very well needed for the family. So I'm in favor of it. >> All right. Application 25 calling 51. Jade Atoria and Laura Peters 144 Rainbow
Trail block 122 lot 3 zone R-ray recommend granting a CN to construct front edition front portico with below landing and stairs. Rear edition rear covered screen porch driveway expansion for a total of 200 622 ft front walk and
side and rear walks contra sections. So I guess it's just 430-35 columns 45 6 and 10. >> Correct. Just those four guys. >> Just those four. >> Yeah, >> that's it. Second. Ready? >> Burkowitz. >> Yes.
>> Josh Modi. Neglia. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Griani. >> Yes. Lots of luck. >> Thank you so much. >> Application. Yes. >> Thumbs up. Application 25 col37.
Sarah Care of Mars Plains 2900 Route 10 block 18 blocks 8 zone O-T a D variance for adult daycare use. This application was carried from February
the 4th, 2026. >> Good evening everyone. Joseph O'Neal of Gear Hall of Neil here on behalf of the applicant. >> This is a tenant fit out application for an adult daycare center at the uh former Powder Mill West. Sure
this wall's called anymore. >> Excuse me. Is this the plaza where they have an Italian restaurant? >> Yeah. >> I believe it's Bruno's. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Take an application for a sign for a
dollar store. Same place. >> Go ahead and introduce my client. >> You raise your right hand, please. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, the government? >> State your name. Despite your last name, please. >> Owen. Master Zam. A M I N
>> Mr. Aman, tell us please your position with the >> Sure. So I want the partners of uh Sarah Adult Daycare Center of Morris Plains. Um if the board like I can actually give you a little bit of overview of what we're trying to do over there.
Please >> could you please speak into the microphone? Just pull it closer. Can you hear me now? >> Be loud. Um so Sarah Care is a um adult daycare center uh providing
services on a weekday um on a daytime only uh servicing the the adults and and uh seniors with underlying conditions. Um it operates from 4:00 a.m. I mean uh 8:00 a.m. to 4 pm. Um we actually pro so
no let me start over again the whole program how it works and and uh what what Sarah Care is actually um trying to do at the location. So it is serving the communities adult uh adults and the uh the senior communities. Um it
provides services from 8:00 a.m. to 4 p.m. The um service are provided to the folks that actually live at home but can actually benefit from a structured sort of um care, meals, supervision and um social engagement. We are not a
hospital. We're not a residential facility. We do not actually provide overnight services. Um the centers operating from Monday to Friday uh between 8:00 am and 4 pm. None of our participants are actually they do not
drive to the locations. The transportation is actually provided by the uh the the facility in an ADA compliant land. So the uh participants are picked up in the morning from their houses and they get dropped off at the
front of a designated uh location front of the building. Is that for every participant gets driven? So nobody gets dropped off by a family member. No, >> you pick everybody up. >> No. Yeah, we we we provide the transmission 100% 100%. >> And then in the afternoon once the uh
once they have been served the uh the lunch and and uh when the time comes when we have to bring them home, they get picked up from the front of the facility and they get dropped up to that uh uh place of residence. Um so we do not provide we do not prepare any food
at the location. We will have about 16 employees uh at that location. Um the food will be sourced from a licensed service provider uh on a daily basis and will be served using our warm-up
kitchen. So in summary, it is a very quiet well-maintained um community service uh servicing use of the uh the facility um you know that that is actually meeting
the growing needs for these kind of services in the community. um while um you know mitigating the impact of u you know or any sort of significant impact to the surrounding properties and stuff. >> Did you say there was a kitchen on site?
>> It's a warm-up kitchen. >> A warm-up kitchen. >> Yes. >> Is this in the the place where the Japanese restaurant was? >> Yes, exactly. So, we're splitting that up in a half. We're taking the one without the kitchen and and side of the uh the restaurant. >> So, you're you're just using it to heat
food. Are there going to be stoves or range? >> No, it's just microwaves. >> Microwaves. Okay. So, there's no fire suppression system. >> None. >> Is there any age restriction? >> Um for the participants? >> Yeah. >> Um anywhere from, you know, normally it
would be anyone who's qualified as senior, but if some adults they have underlying conditions, we would be actually open to them as well. >> Are you also going to have clients that have dementia? Are they going to just be seniors that
need to be picked up and take to this facility? >> So, this is a medical center. Sarah Care is a franchise, very well-known franchise nationwide, has about 26 locations. So, it is a medical center, not a social center. So, yeah, to the extent that we do have folks that have
underlying conditions like dementia, yes, we will be serving them as well. And you have staff that will have great staff to license >> that know how to license know how to handle the uh dementia patients. >> Yes, we will have on-site uh uh licensed
you know practitioners and and uh people that have ability to actually handle the the specific cases of dementia. >> So so how do you prevent the the dementia patients from just walking out? Is the door locked at all times? >> Yeah. So there are two doors. There's an obvious main door. Uh there's going to
be a uh secretary center right there. So whoever comes in will actually need to go through them first and then once you enter in the door is actually securely locked. So no one can actually walk out of it without the assistance of somebody from the staff members. Do >> you administer medications to them?
>> Uh yes we will be there will be an on-site nurse over there. Registered nurse. Yeah. >> Do you have a state license that you require? >> We will be getting one. Yes. What >> what is the state license? uh the do will require us to actually get the uh the uh to operate the facility. >> Okay. Will they inspect the facility? >> Yes.
>> Okay. And they'll make sure that all their requirements are >> Yes, they will be. So, the first place is to actually get the permit from the township before we actually apply to the DO and the DCA. >> Um so, >> I have a letter from uh Mr. Chadwick on June 25th, 2025
um saying that you have seating for 120 clients and you also have a quiet room for 22 seats. What is a quiet room? >> It's for the folks that want to actually just not want to deal with other participants and stuff. They want to have their own time during, you know,
after the lunch and stuff so they can actually go into the quiet room. >> So it would be socializing and relaxation. Is that what Okay, that's what Mr. Chadwick's letter states, >> "We're not socializing and doesn't want to be the long ar just just resting and
doesn't want to be left." >> Yes. >> See you. >> See you. Goodbye. >> And the website says hours 8 uh 7 to 6, but you're only going to be open 8 to 4. >> Yes, you could actually. So, Ster Care has it own It's a franchise. Yeah, it's
a franchise. So, they have depends on where the location is and you can actually change your times to accommodate for the folks that Yeah. Now you're going to pick up people with vans in the morning and then you're going to drop them with the same vans. They're going to check out >> and drop them with the same vans and
those vans are going to return to the site, right? >> Yes. So they will be parked in the back of the facility location um which there is an ample amount of parking in the back uh facing the the the property. >> How many vans? >> Two vans. >> Just two. >> So
>> for the time being, yes, depending on how many participants we get, we could increase to three. But as of right now, we we expect to only be having two ends. >> This property has two levels of parking. >> Three levels. >> Three levels. >> It has three. >> Yes. >> Yeah.
>> Well, there's one where the restaurants are in your facility and then there is another level >> on top of it, too. >> Okay. There's two and then you have another one you're saying in the back. There's parking in the back of the facility and that's where the vans will be parked for the rest of the day until
they have to be used again to pick up the clients. >> The vans will not be stored overnight over there. >> They will be actually. So we got an approval from the the um uh the landlord. There is no traction during at at night. So we can actually school the
rent. >> Okay. >> So this is not adult daycare. It it's a medical facility. >> It's a it was an adult day a medical daycare center. So social daycare you do not administer um medications and stuff
to the extent that we are asked to do it we can't do it because that's going to be an onside uh register. So, so in medical facility meaning like there will be no no more than nurse. >> Correct.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> So people won't be coming in from the public >> to seek medical care? >> No. No. No. >> And then once once they're does everyone arrive at the same time? >> No. So as the vans pick them up, they would be dropped off. So the time is about 8:00 when we expect all the
participants to be in. Um, and then by 4:00 we need to uh have it's a 5 hours sort of program. >> So, and they're there for that entire 5 hour time. So, they're not coming and going between 8 and 5. They're there at 8 and then they all leave around 5. Is that right? >> And they're not wandering around the
shop. >> No. 8 to 4. >> 8 to 4. >> 8 to 4. >> And what kind of what kind of activities do you have for them while they're there? >> So, it is designed. So we we would actually s our cat actually has a whole
sort of design for the u um what kind of activities are in. So sometimes it's bingo you know people like playing bingos and stuff. So the the whole gist of the whole program is to actually keep the seniors active. Um so some people
they want to play cards. So you could actually just set them up in in on a table and then they can just play their cards. Um they would do some sort of like yoga sessions within the facility. uh singing cultural festival um programs. So depending on what the we
will actually have an on-site uh sort of program manager or a director that will design the programs for them on a weekly basis. >> Is there a general uh ratio of client to employee that you use? >> Yeah. So the state of New Jersey
requires you to have one uh service provider per nine clients participants. Sarah Care actually has one to six which is an uh little bit stringent. So we're following Sarah Cares. >> Okay. >> Are most of the clients living at home or is it varied?
>> They all live at home. >> They all live alone at home or maybe with a family member at home. >> Yeah. So this is actually designed for the family members that don't want their parents to or family members to be actually staying somewhere else overnight. Um this is for them to actually just be active during the daytime while the family members, the
loved ones are actually working. Uh and then they be dropped off. uh during the time when they come uh come home and be able to actually pick out them, >> right? But the family members not picking them up, you guys. >> We would be actually providing the transportation. Yes. >> Could you could you describe the vans?
How many seats, you know, what do they look like? >> Uh so it's normal vans that you would actually see. It's an ADA. I think we actually provided the uh the dimensions of the vans. I think it's 19. Uh but they would actually contain about 12 people.
And how what's the max capacity uh of the participant? Are you planning 120? That's what we're approved for based on the designs. >> So the two vans and 120 people, they're going to go back and forth. Drop 12, go
pick up next 12. >> When do you start your pickup? If you're opening at 8 and you have 120 clients approximately >> and the and each van holds 12 people, >> how many vans are you having? Two, you
said it's 24 people. >> So, they're going to be going back and forth. What time are you starting your pickup? Are you starting your pickup at 7:00 in the morning? >> So, my father is actually not here. He wasn't able to make it today, but my father actually does participate in one of these uh um adult daycare centers. he
gets picked up uh depending on how far they're actually going to pick uh the participants up from. He gets picked up at 7:00 in the morning from Rockaway. I live in Rocka Away, so Rockaway to bring them to Piper. So, normally the timing depending on who's actually participating, if it's somebody that's
actually coming an hour away from us, I think a van would actually leave around 6:00 to actually start picking them up first and then on the way back they, you know, pick up the other people. >> But you might need more vans if if you're busy. So it as we this is depending on how many uh participants we
have we're initially going to have two van but to the extent that if we have full you know 120 people at one point we would actually increase the number >> right and that property is way big enough to if they were six vans back behind the building >> you would never know
>> not not an issue for parking >> is there any other >> so what time would be the first 8:00 the fun the every uh a facility is open everything starts or 8:00 the first people first set of people would be dropped off at the facility.
>> No. So we would expect the people to be all of the uh participant to be in by 8:00 uh cuz you need to provide them service for at least 5 hours for them to be actually considered full-time uh participants. Um so a warm up just to give you a uh just how the day starts
it's by 8:00 we would actually have all the participants in uh they would be served with a light breakfast and um you know between 8 and 9 and then from 9:00 to 11:00 they would be doing some sort of designated activities that they want to do and then a warm-up lunch will be
provided to them. Once the lunch is done, obviously it's sort of their time. If they want to mingle with their sort of, you know, people that they they're with or they want to participate in crafting or something like that, they can actually do that. By 3:30, we get them ready and then 4:00 we get them uh
start dropping them. >> So, when do they start being dropped off? >> 4:00 we will actually start picking them off from the facility. >> In the morning, when do you when do they start going in? >> By 8:00. So I mean they >> well by 8:00 they're over there. So by 7:00
>> 7 between 7 and 8 >> and this area is really there's no real residential area. You're not bothering neighbors. >> It's a real commercial site right on the highway. >> Yep. >> Actually this site is not uh used for this for this type of thing.
>> So it's approved for all the medical um thing. It's approved for kids actually. Um >> huh. >> We talk about that. What was the question? >> Excuse me. What was the question? Ready? >> Question was, uh, >> why is this not an approved use on the
site? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Do we have any other questions of this >> witness? >> Madam Chair, I had I had a couple of comments in my letter. The first one I think we've we've basic it basically addressed and it's good because I'm
reading my report. It looks like a sentence got dropped out, but the question was basically about parking and since they're not going to be having drop offs or uh people parking here, I I think that that comment can be can be dismissed. The other question I had, the
other comments I had were with respect to the parking uh handicap parking, which again uh it sounds like we're not going to be that this facility is not going to need those unless unless a an employee needs them. Um, but the one
item that I do have that uh that needs to be addressed is on the last page of my report dated July 28th. It's the picture of the the uh curb ramp uh to allow for handicap access to the front door. Um you'll see that that curb ramp
has a lot of soil in it which is indicative of a flooded ramp which means when it rains that where you see that uh sediment area is dirt uh is is water rather after it rains and is ice if it freezes up and I'm recommending that
that uh that that ramp be brought up to uh ADA standards. Um not sure if this is the the witness to handle that issue or not. Well, you've you've been in contact with the landlord. >> Yeah, so we have actually contacted the landlord. They are actually working through it. They are trying to fix that.
Obviously, given the whole uh snowstorms and stuff, they haven't been able to get to it. But yes, we have been we have been receiving the confirmation from them that they will be fixed before we actually >> So, you're going to do the is he just doing the ramps or he going to do the signage and the striping also? >> Everything. >> Okay.
>> Whatever is needed, they they're willing to do it. >> Okay. Thank you. That's all I have for this witness. Madam Chair, >> any other questions from the board? >> No. >> Mr. O'Neal. >> Thank you, M. Mystery. >> I thought I recognized it.
>> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> State your name. Spell your last name, please. >> Yogesh. Mystery. M I S T R Y. >> Mr. Mystery, you have appeared before this board a number of times.
>> Yes, I have. >> So, I will put you forward as an expert for architecture again. >> He's acceptable. >> Thank you. >> So, Mr. Mystery, I wonder we provided plans for the layout or may the layout of the facility. I wonder if
you could walk through. >> Sure. Um, what I have on the easel is uh this the architectural drawing that was submitted as part of this application. sheet 82.01. Um, and that essentially showing the
floor plan of the intended space. The top right corner is sort of an overall heat plan of the whole site. And what that's showing, I mean, I think many of you are familiar with the with the site and this building. Um, it's a such an
L-shaped strip mall. It's one story. Um, the bottom of that E plan is Route 10. um sort of it's on the westbound side, but we're taking a portion of the building that's on the far right corner uh of the building's kind of uh shown in
that dark line um on the far end. >> Mr. Approximately can that microphone can you find? >> Sorry. Um so this key plan on the top right corner of the page is depicting the the overall site. Um, and then this
is the L-shaped building that I'm pointing to. And we're taking this kind of top right corner uh of that building. It's again on the uh shown on this this photograph, the these double entries. Um the the the right double door is our
entry. Uh and then the left side is the adjacent tenant that we're splitting off. Currently, this is the Japanese restaurant and they're taking uh maybe twice the amount of space that we have. We're essentially splitting their space in about half. We're taking the right
half. The other other half is I I believe just still vacant. Um our space is going to be about 9,329 ft. Um essentially the end of the building. It's all on grade and I I think the um the engineer was just
referring to this um kind of curb cut and ramp that um it's collecting water. Um and then you know the landlord has claimed to uh is going to fix that. But that's going to be our entrance. The the right side door is going to stay as our
entrance. The left side door is going to be the adjacent tenant. There's going to be a firewall that's going to be put down the middle. And this is kind of depicted with this kind of heavy dash line. So everything to the right of that is our space. Um, I think the operator
has kind of described the the the general use of the space. We come in through this front door. There will be sort of a reception check-in checkout area. Um, and as you mentioned that the doors will have kind of a uh a locking mechanism to prevent people from just
straying outside there. Uh, once they're checked in there, there's kind of um uh coat closets and and so forth here. And then the the large open space is their activity dining room. Um and then off of
that there's a quiet room that was discussed. Uh two additional activity rooms. Those activity rooms could be anything from arts and crafts to I don't know playing cards or whatever their program uh entails. U there is sort of a
small laundry for just kind of internal uh cleaning. Uh there's an assisted toilet room and there's a a large men's and women's toilet room. Um they they these facilities are heavy on the toilet count and this is what the state requires. Um and then again off of the
dining area is a a warming kitchen. Um essentially they have handwashing sinks, three base sinks, but really no cooking uh ability. There's no hood, there's no range. Uh just some warming microwaves and um they do have refrigerators and
freezers just to keep things cold. Um and then the uh the spaces around the entry area are more administrative. There's a staff lounge, social workers office, admin office, uh a guest toilet room, conference room. Um they do have
um kind of these two other support spaces. They have a hair salon and physical therapy. Those are really just to service the uh the participants in this facility. It's not a sort of outside use. You know, they don't have customers coming from the outside. And I
I assume I mean worked on other adult daycarees where they might have a physical therapy or um you know a salon person come in you know once or twice a week to to help service their participants. So would your client agree to a condition that those services are
only available to the participants of the program? >> Yes, >> absolutely. >> Only for members. Yeah. >> Yes. >> And the employees >> to the people who are there. >> Yeah. >> Not nobody off the street. >> Right. Nobody off the street.
>> And the medical help whoever need is there any special place or because I don't see them in the drawing. Is there any special? Well, I'm sorry. There is a a nurse's uh room right in sort of the middle of the plan. And they have
visibility to the the activity area and they also have a small exam room. So, if there is a a person that maybe is feeling ill, they they would go into the exam room, they could lie down, the nurse could see that person. Um so, yeah, any kind of like healthc care
would be administered in this. And u what's the capacity of that uh exam room and uh >> well well the nurs's area is uh it's about 169 ft but it includes you know his or her space they do administer some
medication there. Um and the exam room is really meant for one uh participant at a time. Yeah. >> So exam room is one and then >> yeah like here they they might have a you know I guess a patient could come in and and you know be given some
medication. They do have a kind of a window walk up window where they could um >> mean so it is monitored all the time. I mean >> yes no there's I believe I'm not 100% sure but I believe there's a full-time nurse there that on staff that >> it goes without saying Mr. Mr. This is a
heavily regulated use. >> Yeah, they do need a state license. You know, they need to follow all the guidelines that the state sets for this kind of use. >> So, and that would that would say how many nurses you need to have, what their training needs to be, all that stuff, right? >> Yeah. All that is part of the licensing,
amount >> of space you need. >> Yeah. Even even a lot of the architectural elements there are, you know, this needs to go through the Department of Health for their approval as well. So, uh it's it's definitely regulated. And there's a certain number of square
footage for each participant that needs to happen in the activity space as well as the quiet room. Um, you know, the specific number of toilets and and all that. So, >> how big is the space total? >> It's uh 9,329 ft. >> 29. I have 20.
>> Thank That's That's really it. >> No further questions for Mr. Mystery. I'm good. >> Are there any questions from the board? >> Nope. No. >> Mr. Lmanowitz? Any questions of this applicant? >> Not of this applicant. >> I mean of this test of this uh witness.
>> Not of this witness. No. Okay. >> You wanted to sum up about uh the fact that this particular use is not an approved use in the zone. >> Yes. Thank you. I I would absolutely like to do that. I think to Mr. Readyy's point >> Okay. Do you have another witness?
>> Oh, no. I can come up. He's messing with you at all. >> To Mr. Readyy's point, why isn't this permitted use in these sites? >> Some of you may have been on the board when we did the application for the
adult daycare center next to the Home Depot. >> Uhhuh. Yes. >> And it was a particularly >> Yeah. >> suited site for that >> because you have large commercial spaces, unoccupied now, ample parking, >> and the use is well contained. So the
people are coming out in a controlled way and they're going in in a controlled way and it operates very well next to the Home Depot which is a pretty busy place sometimes. Um I think that there's a lot of that going on at this site. I point out to
the board that again we have ample empty commercial space. This is a 9,000 plus square foot facility occupying half of the old Japanese restaurant that was there. Uh the parking while we're going to be parking the vans overnight in the
back, we could certainly park them in the front at the current moment because there's really not much utilization of the shopping center. Now hopefully that'll change in the future. It'll become a busier shopping center, but there's still going to be ample parking
here at this site. I think this site is particularly suited for this use given the vacant open space, the easy adaptability of the space, and the fact that there are really no negatives at all. There's no noise coming from
something like this, and the van parking is going to be very just parking vans. >> What about signage? Any signage from folks? >> It's just going to be signage on the front of the building in conformance with the uh ordinance. Okay. >> It's not really something that's going to I don't know if they are you getting
modifications to the pylon side. >> No. So there's just the signage on >> just on the building. >> Just on the building. >> Not on the pylon. >> No. Okay. >> So I think the board would be it's be easy approval. I would easy.
>> Thank you. >> Is that it? Mr. That's your testimony. >> No, that's my sum up. I don't >> that's your summation. As I was reminded recently by a judge, I do not testify. >> Oh, okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you for telling me. Are there any
questions from the board of Mr. O'Neal's summary? I see none. Would someone um are there's anyone in the audience? >> No. >> That has any objection to this application? I see none. Anyone in the
audience that is in favor of this application? I see none. I think this is about as clear-cut and clean application as possible. It's a perfect place for it and it's a service that's needed with an aging community.
So I will absolutely be voting for it. Application 25 colon 37 Sarah Care of Morris 2,900 road route 10 block 18 lots 8 zone 4-P to issue or grant a devariance to
for adult daycare use >> madam chair >> any conditions >> excuse me >> excuse me yes Mr. Lman >> with respect to conditions on how we're going to deal with the site changes I I don't think we need a whole site plan I think Mr. ministry can probably put some
notations, details for the handicap signs and the ramp. And there seems to be enough room on here that we can deal with that. >> Uh, so you want you want a detail on the uh >> Well, the handicap ramp has ADA standards, right? >> The signage has ADA standards. The
parking space has ADA standards, and I think you've got enough room there to fit those few standards and maybe some notes on that small site plan to say, you know, this space is to be fixed. this rent. You know, I don't think we, like I said, I don't think we need a whole another plan sheet or
>> engineering or anything like that. Just something purpose. >> Yeah. Just something that we can have it on paper so when we go to sign the plan, it's all together. >> I'll require things appropriately submitted, right? >> All right. Are you going to require that the work be done before they open up?
Yeah, >> probably will be. But >> yes, >> I think that would be >> state. You still need state permit approval, too. You still need to go through all that before you can open anyways, right? >> Yeah. >> So, you you got you agree for this?
>> Yes, we are. >> Okay. >> And I think the only other conditions were vans parked in the back behind the behind the building and um that the services are only for the participants in the program. >> Yes. Okay.
So, >> we got a second. >> Yeah, that was me. >> Not up, please. >> Burkowitz, >> yes. >> Dr. >> Yes. >> Modi, >> yes. >> Neglia, >> yes. >> Patty, sorry. >> Yes.
>> Ready? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Thank you everyone. Have a nice day. >> Good luck. >> Lots of luck. >> Yes. Lots of luck. >> We ask a question. When do we start contact? >> You have to get
>> when we get the permit >> uh in the next meeting, right? >> Next meeting. We get an actual resolution to to vote on and it's in writing. >> That'll be our next meeting. comply with any conditions of the resolution.
>> Then you take the resolution to start getting your permits per >> and we have no say in when your permits get issued. >> So how what is the time frame that we >> can't give you one can't give you that? >> Not us. >> Thank you. >> Don't hold your breath. Are we ready to
go to >> Okay. >> Motion to adjurnn, please. >> Second. >> All right. We just rogue. Everyone's taking over. >> Call the wall. >> Everyone in favor. >> I thank you.
>> Have a good night, everybody. Night, buddy. >> Okay. Sorry. >> So, Mr. Tell your clients that if I become needed I I may >> please. Yes. Welcome everybody. Yes.
like this. >> It's basically