Good evening and welcome to the special meeting of the Township of Caribbean Toy Hill Board of Adjustment. Today is Wednesday, November 5th, 2025 and is 7:00 p.m. >> Announcement is made that adequate notice of its need and has been given and that it is being conducted in
accordance with NJSA 104-6 at SEC uh the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Local call. We have Mr. Burkowitz >> here. >> Mr. Joshua >> here.
>> Mr. Ready >> present. >> Mr. Willins >> here. >> Chairwoman Griyani >> present. >> We have our board planner Mr. Chadwick >> present. >> Board engineer Mr. Lmanoitz >> here. >> And our board attorney Mr. Johnson >> here. >> Would you please stand and join us in
the pledge of allegiance? I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Mr. Ch, can you raise your right hand please? Do you swear affirm any
testimony that give you the true? >> I do. Can you swear any testimony that the truth? Yes, I do. Thank you. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on anything other than what is on our agenda this evening?
I see none. Okay. Uh we have correspondence received from Mr. Curry request an application 2536 be carried from November 5th, 2025 to January 7, 2026 without further notice and with an
extension of time for the board to make decision on the case through January 31st, 2026. All in favor? >> I. >> Application 2527 Michael and Jessica Nez. I don't mean to
interrupt. I just want to acknowledge Mr. Petty is here. >> Oh, okay. Sorry about that. >> Thank you. >> 289 Allen Road, block 271, lot 23, zone R4 to C variance to legalize a gazebo,
rear walk, patio, and driveway contrary to section 430-35, column 13. This application is carried from September the 10th, 2025. Good evening. >> Can you raise your right hands, please? You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the
truth, the whole truth, that the truth. If you can sit down, make sure you use the microphone. And just state each of your names and spell your last name, please. >> Sure. Michael Neoth, ne >> and Jessica Neoth, ne.
>> Now, I understand that you're here um asking the board to legalize some work that you've already done. Is that right? >> Correct. >> A gazebo, some walks, patios, driveways, things of that nature. >> Um, have you received the August 15th, 2025 memorandum from the township
engineer? >> We did, and we actually uh supplied a new one from yesterday. I think we shared a copy. >> I have one here if you need it. >> November 3rd, we had >> Okay. Excellent. Which are you going to choose these options? Uh, >> I talked with Paul, the engineer. We're
going to go the rain barrel route just to keep it clean and uh I think it's three 50-gallon rain barrels. >> Yep. >> To collect the the uh runoff from the 82 porridge. Excellent. >> So, why don't you just tell the board what it is that you did? >> Sure.
>> Why you did it and why you need the variances? >> Sure. So, we added a small patio um tore out what the original the house was a mess overall. Um but there was a bunch of old decking up against the property line. We pulled all that out, replaced it off the property line with the small patio, and then all we did was strip the black top
>> from the driveway. Actually made the driveway smaller and replaced it with papers. >> So you actually improved the condition from what was there when did you buy the house? >> 2020. January of 2020. >> And was all that stuff that you just
>> redid all there when you bought the house? >> Yeah, it was it was Yeah, it was already on the property. >> So this is an asphalt driveway. You made that all pavement. Yes, sir. >> Wow. >> Yeah, we've done it all ourselves, so it's been >> Oh, you
sweat equity. It'll be worth it. >> Okay. >> We have any questions from the board of this applicant? >> Yeah. >> See none. Is there anyone in the audience that has questions of this applicant on the testimony that they
have just given us? I see none. Is there anyone in favor of this application in the audience? I see none. Anyone that is not in agreement of this application? I see.
Would someone like to frame a resolution please? >> Uh I think this is dimminimous in nature and they improved the conditions took out black top and put in pavers which allows the water to run through it. So I'll be voting for it. Application 25
Poland 27 Michael and Jessica Neoth 289 Allentown Road block 271 lot 23 zone R4 recommend granting a seat variance to let legalize a gazebo rear walk patio and driveway contrary sections 430-35 com 13
>> secondit >> yes >> yes >> Patty >> yes >> ready >> yes >> will >> yes Grani. Yes. Applications approved. You will be notified and at that time you may come and get your applications
applied to your applications. >> Beautiful. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> And no more changes before permits. Right. >> Yes. >> Understood. >> You got it. Application 25 col53 Abdul Rya 215 North
Bewick Road block 705 lot 24 zone R3 to C variance to legalize a shed overhang/pagota patio and stairs pa walk driveway and block
wall contrary to sections 430-10 C shedside and rear yards. Section 430-35, column 8, patio sideyard. Section 430-275H.
Section 430-275X. Section 430-35, column 10 and section 430-35, column 13. Oh, we have a lot. >> Too many. >> We have a lot. >> Okay. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the
testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing? You can you can be seated. Just make sure you use those microphones. >> Mhm. >> And state your names and spell your last name, please. >> Jabin Raja Rhael.
>> Could you please speak closer to the microphone, sir? >> Abdul Raja. >> Thank you. sitting in there. >> Now, I I understand that you're here to legalize some improvements that you made to the property without getting a
permit. Is that right? >> Yes. >> Um, have you seen the township engineers letter from September 22nd? Have you met with the township engineer? >> Yeah, they did receive. >> Did we receive? I don't know. They send
us a letter. Everything is here. I don't [Music] >> You're going to have to speak up. We can't hear you. >> Yeah. You have to send a picture we got from the town. >> Did you get a letter dated September
22nd, 2025 from the township engineer? >> Nobody ever does. Yeah, because they were here before. >> September 16th. >> September 22nd, 2025. >> Sorry about that. Uh, he was holding all
the papers. Uh, he did not know anything about it, I think. >> Okay. I >> I have an extra copy. Here you go. >> Okay. >> Let me ask ask that question. Do you
know whether you have met with the town engineer? >> I think he said no. >> No. >> So you haven't met with the town engineer? >> No. Only one lady came there to take pictures. >> Okay. She said >> so. So the memo from the township
engineer talks about your imperous coverage and the impact on storm water management and that you may have to will have to in fact make substantial improvements in order to deal with storm water. >> Mhm.
>> Okay. So, it may be in your best interest to ask the board to reschedu your hearing so that you can meet with the township engineer and discuss what you might need to do to address those issues.
Okay. [Music] Is he talking to you or to us? >> Okay. Uh he wants to say if you want to say say >> I didn't get any. >> Then we would suggest that you meet with
him before we proceed here because if you won't if we proceed you have to comply with the engineer's request and it may cost you a lot of money. Okay. Uh but they told us to send a letter certified letter to every neighborhoods and every
>> So you did work that created a problem, a potential problem with the water. And what the engineer is suggesting are corrections or or things that you have to do to make it not a problem. You're going to have to do something. Our board
is going to require you to do something. So you should figure that out. meet with the call the engineer, set up a meeting with him. >> He'll you'll have this discussion. You'll come up with a fix and then you'll choose which of the fixes if there are choices for you to do.
>> So, we have to call the engineer. >> That's right. The town engineer >> and have a town engineer. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Mr. Mrs. Liza, Justin Liza. >> The letter >> you now have. >> Yeah. >> It's named on the top of the list. >> Okay. All right. This one, right? >> The one I just gave you. >> Yep.
>> Okay. All right. So then we have to set the new date. You want you don't want we don't can I explain why but we did it. >> It really wouldn't be of it wouldn't be helpful right now. Okay. I'll >> Okay. >> Mol will give us a date when you should
come back. >> You should read that letter carefully before you go to the engineers's office. >> Okay. The point being, if you say why you did this and we ended up approving this application, you would have to comply with the engineer stuff and may be a lot more costly than something you
want to do. Okay. >> Mhm. >> So, we're trying to protect you as well as everything else here. >> So, when you >> I'm sorry, Danny. Go ahead. >> So, when you come back here, you should have a solution. >> Okay. >> For the problem agreed upon between you and the engineer,
>> the town engineer. >> Okay. Miss Jolie, may we have a a date, please? >> We're going to carry you to FE >> Excuse me. >> I'm sure they're listening. >> We're not done yet. >> We're going to carry you to February
4th, 2026. >> Mhm. >> Okay. without further notice. But you do have to give us you have to agree uh to an extension uh for the board an extension of time uh
February 20 till February 28th for the board to make decision on your case. >> Okay. >> So you don't have to >> be done before February. >> You don't have to send the notices out again. >> Okay. >> Okay. Because if there were any members of the public here, they would be hearing your new date.
>> Okay. But you have to grant the board time to make its decision until after that hearing date. Do you do that? >> Yes, we do. >> Okay, great. >> So, first we will call the engineer then. >> Nor is that 7:30? >> That would be 7:30. >> Okay. Yeah, 7:30. Okay.
>> So, you just need a motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> Okay. So, come back >> February 4th. >> February 4th. Okay. >> Talk to the engineer. >> Thank you. [Music]
Application 25 col 64 Maria M and Elizabeth Carapoli 170 Rainbow Trail block 109 lot 25 zone R3 a C variance to legalize front
driveway pavers paver patio and paver walks contrary to 430-275X and section 430- S35, column 13. Good evening. >> Can you raise your right hands, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give
should be the truth, the whole truth, and the truth? >> Sit down. >> Just state your name and spell your last name. >> Hi, I'm Elizabeth Carioli. C A R F I O L I. >> And I'm Marie M's. Last name E Ms. Good.
And um I understand you're also here to legalize some improvements that you made to the property. There's an October 8th, 2025 memo from the township engineer. Did you get that? >> I don't recall receiving that. >> Okay, here's a copy of it. I don't know
if you heard the last application, but the same storm water issue, mitigation issues in your situation have also been raised in your situation by the township engineer. So, it may also
be in your best interest to speak to the township engineer, see if you can come up with a solution to his concerns regarding storm water management, which is why there are concerns about impervious coverage because that's what
creates issues regarding storm water. >> So, we replaced what was already there that was broken. So when we bought the house two years ago, there were already pavers. >> Speak into the microphone. >> Oh, sorry. I didn't know.
>> Um, so we've replaced pavers that were already there, that were broken, that were uneven, that were trip hazards. Um, not extending the coverage in any way. >> Okay. It sounds like maybe what someone had done before you purchased the
property may have been done without the required permits. >> Okay. So, they probably put something in in terms of impervious coverage, pavers, patios, whatever. Didn't get a permit. You buy the house not knowing that.
>> Correct. And and we just replaced what was there because it was falling apart and just broken. And >> what what you gain from this is at some juncture you're going to sell the house, but you're going to have the paperwork to show that it's legal.
Otherwise, somebody who does come and does their due diligence makes a big problem. So, not don't kick it under the rug now. Just >> so I'm sorry, I didn't hear that last under the rug now. No, I just wanted to make sure it was clear what
>> you meet with the town engineer or his associate and explain to him what it was >> and whether or not there are any drainage issues that might be taken a look at and get it all straightened out there. >> Okay. >> If you were here for the first case, that's what they did.
>> Yeah. >> Over the engineer, they found two options and couldn't go. It was done. Mr. >> Johnson, you gave them the letter. >> Yep. You have a copy of the letter. Thank you so much. go in. >> Call him up, make an appointment. Nor >> Norah, would you please um maybe we have
>> pictures with you because he probably may or may not do >> We do have photos of the original and then >> Yeah, show show those to him and explain exactly what you did and then you can talk through what the solution might be in terms of storm water. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah, >> sorry. We're carrying you to February 11th. >> February 11th. >> Yep. And you have to grant the board, you don't have to renotice, you don't have to send the notices out again, but you have to give the board um uh an
extension to make a decision until that date. Okay. You're okay with that? >> Okay. Yes. >> Okay. >> Until So, but on February 11th, we'll have a decision then as opposed to come back today. >> Yep. You come back here on February 11th. Okay. You will have met with the township engineer. He'll work out
whatever issues there are to address the storm water management concerns that he has and then and then the board will get another letter from the township engineer hopefully saying that you have met with him and you've agreed to address uh the situation and how you've
agreed to address it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you so much. >> So you just need you need a motion. >> Yes. >> May I have a motion? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I ladies >> to see you. Have a good night. >> Sorry.
>> Okay. >> Cheers. >> Thank you. >> Do you want to go on or you want to wait for 7? >> Well, you got you got to wait for seven. >> Technically speaking, you got for 10 minutes. >> We done. >> I don't believe so. >> You're done with seven. >> We're done with 7:00. >> I move to >> Wait a minute.
Hold on. >> No, we have no more. >> Yeah, you need to move to adjourn seven. Yes. Yes. There are no more applications for seven of our room. We just heard that. >> Right. >> That was the ladies. We can close that. >> One was carried.
>> We This is the one we did. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. >> May I have a motion for adjournment, please? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Sorry about that. All in favor? >> I >> Okay, we're on record.
>> Okay. I don't I don't think he was any >> gentlemen. >> Good evening and welcome to the meeting at the Township of Pipony Troy Hill Board of Adjustment. It is Wednesday, November 5th, 2025 and it is 7:30 p.m. Announcement is made that adequate
notice of this meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104- SEC, the open of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Roll call. Mr. Burkowitz. here. >> Mr. Gospelitz >> here.
>> Mr. Petty >> here. >> Mr. Ready >> present. >> Mr. Willings >> here. >> Chairwoman Grani >> present. >> We have our board planner Mr. Chadwick >> president and engineer Mr. Lmanitz and our board attorney >> here.
>> Nope. >> Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on something other than what is on our agenda this evening? I see none. Of course. I'm going to Oh, yes. Please, sir, come up.
>> I I'm not sure if um I'm hear about a shed. >> Is it on the agenda? >> I believe so. >> Okay. Is that Is that Mr. Bsara's application? Yeah, that'll be heard in a second. >> Thank you. Okay. >> Nora, correspondence, please. >> Okay. We have correspondence received
from Randolph Delara. Request an application 2561 be carried from November 5th, 2025 to January 7th, 2026. without further notice with publication and grants the board um an extension of
time to make decision on the case through January 31st 2026. >> May I have a motion please? >> Motion. >> All in favor? >> I >> and resolutions. Uh we have three um the
same people can vote on each. Burkowitz, Petty, Ready, and Griani. We have application 2558, application 2520, and application 2544. >> Is there a motion? >> Some move.
>> Second. >> Bergitz, >> yes. >> Patty, >> yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Gyani, >> yes. >> And amen. That's it. Okay. >> Application 258 Timothy Kelly three Nobles. Nope. >> Sorry. 2550.
>> Oh, sorry. >> Sorry about that. >> Application 2550. Andre Derera, 44A Ncomomas Avenue, block 532, lot 13, zone R4. a C variance to
legalize the shed contrary to section 430-10 C. >> Mr. Balsar, is that you? >> Come on up. >> Okay. Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth? Okay. Have a seat. Make sure you use the microphone. be really close to the microphone and speak up and uh state your name and spell your last name. >> Sure. My name is Hanel Bulsara. Um last name is B A L S A R A.
>> Okay. Now, I understand you're here because you put a shed in. >> Yes. >> And you didn't get a permit. And now you want the board to approve your shed. Is that right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can you just explain to the board what you did, why you did it, and why
you put the shed in that particular location? >> Well, uh I um I have already attach uh shed uh to the house, but I wanted to uh build a new one uh separate to the
house, uh right behind my uh uh in my property. um so that I can uh put some uh uh equipments for the snow or for the uh for the summer like a grass cutting or so. So that's why I wanted to build a new shed over there.
>> So you had a shed that was up against your house. >> Yes, it is connected with the house. >> Okay. And you removed that shed? >> Not yet. >> So that's still there. >> It's still there. >> But that's going to be removed. >> Yes. >> Okay. And you put the shed 4 and 1/2 ft
from the property line. and it's supposed to be 6 ft from the property line. Why does the shed have to be 4 and 1/2 ft from the property line or can you move the shed so it's 6 ft from the property? >> I can able to move it but it's unfortunately the base has already been
built on it and the shed is halfway done. So if it's uh possible we can um leave it over there or if not then we can uh uh move little bit to the towards
inside. >> So you're saying you could move it? >> Yeah. >> Well the concrete base the concrete base is already putting on it and the shade is halfway made. So it's very hard to take it out all the concrete base and
stuff. Why did you put it in that particular location instead of 6 feet from the property line? >> Um I I didn't know that it was about to 6 ft. I thought it was like 4 ft or so. That's why I uh put it 4.5.
>> Why did you think it was 4T not 6 ft? >> Not sure. >> You just guessed. You didn't know. And >> because Yeah. And from the from the back of the property line it's almost like uh from the back of the property line it's almost 8 ft. >> Oh from the side it is
>> from the side it's 4.5. >> Yeah. But so the question was why did you put a 4.5 instead of 6 ft? >> I didn't realize before. >> You didn't know you shouldn't do that. Right. >> Yeah. >> So can't you just make is it on a footing? Is it on is it a slab or a footing?
>> Uh it's a concrete base and on on >> how big is the base? >> I'm sorry. Can't they just make the base bigger? If you make the base bigger, then you could slide the shed over and then that's where you pick up your foot and a half. >> Yeah, we can do that.
>> Okay. >> Would you do that? >> I think if you do that, you're going to have one less. >> So, you want me to put slab in the side? >> He's still going to have a concrete slab in the slabyard. >> Okay. >> But that's not that's probably not what
anybody is objecting to. They're probably objective to the fact >> variance for it. >> Okay. >> But I don't think that we might or might not have an objector. But I think if you move it the foot and a half away from and make it legit that it's it's kind of
a technicality that you need it because it's foot and a half of a slab. But if it's not on it, it >> has to be done. It >> has to be done. >> But uh this uh the shed is halfway uh done on the slab. >> It has to be moved. Yeah. Shed's going to have to be moved. >> Okay.
>> What? What? >> Shed's going to have to be >> No, you're building this shed as at the property. >> It's already built. >> Are you building it or is someone else the contractor? >> The contractor. Okay. >> But it's already built, right? >> Yeah. >> Halfway. >> Can we hear the objections
>> so that you know what are the concern? >> Oh, wait. Before we do that, if he's willing to move, I think Mr. Joshua would extend the slab. Okay. Move it over a foot and a half. Okay. You would be willing to do that? >> Yeah, that's fine. >> And I think the objectors go away.
>> Well, you don't know that. >> We don't know that. See, >> we will see. >> Okay. >> Is there anyone in the audience? >> Okay. So, you're okay moving the shed, leaving the slab, moving the shed. Correct. >> If there is no other choice, then I can do that. Uh but if uh court is agree, then
>> there's no hardship here. So, the board can't really approve it as it is. There's nothing shown that's an hardship. That's what your requirement is. And I know it doesn't mean anything to you, but >> yeah, >> the fact that you didn't know doesn't make it right.
>> Okay. >> But you had an odd shaped lot and this is the only place that the shed could go, >> then then that's something we would consider. But because you have room on your property, Yeah. >> it's not a special case. >> Right.
There anyone in the audience that would like to speak on the testimony that this gentleman has given us? Please come forward. >> Give us your name and >> can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth?
>> Yes, I do. >> I state your name. Spell your last name. >> Ronald J. Hadley Jr. H A D L E Y. >> And you can have a seat and just tell the board where you live. I reside at 41 Dakota Avenue. Um I'm not really here to complain about
anything because Mr. Valeri it he kept the shed I'm our backyards meet. >> Okay. >> And the boundary of our backyards he kept his shed way back. It's like he said it's like 8 ft. Um, I'm here more to make a request and
what the suggestion of the concrete slab with the shed to be moved. My request is his um, if you're familiar with Lakeshore and Minihahad, it's it's a hill. >> Yeah. >> So, he's elevated a lot higher his
backyard than our backyard. and we get their water all the time. Being that it's on a slab and there's going to be no gutter system, heavy rains are going to come off that shed roof, form a trough, and downstream
it goes to us. >> Has that occurred? >> It's been constant. Um, >> well, if the head if the shed is only half built, >> how much water are you getting if when and if it rains? The concrete is already there. Okay.
>> Um >> um when Mr. Boleri first moved in the property, >> there was about 20 ft of bushes, brush, saplings, all all um vegetation type stuff that
really helped with the water coming to us. >> Mhm. >> He we had a conversation, but he removed it anyway. And now it's gotten worse. Now, the shed is as far back as he could put it by the fence, but he's, like I said, he stayed well off the property
line. >> The shed is completed on 3/4, would you say? 3/4. It has a shingled roof. And um when the rain hits that roof, you could imagine what it's going to do when
it hits the ground without gutters and it will make a trough which will become a trench which will become a stream which will become a lake down by us. So, my suggestion, I'm sorry if I'm going on, but my suggestion, if he has to move
the shed, take a jackhammer and chop out that concrete slab that's going to be exposed now and dig at least two to three feet on each side of that shed down a foot
and a half at least. Fill it with stone. Give that water somewhere to fall into. So, >> so the the pro you so you want to build a French train. So, that makes sense. There's sense that the problem is he's not asking for a variance for impervious coverage.
>> I know. >> So, I don't think we have the right to >> that that would kind of be my guess is just neighbor to neighbor because he's only asking for a >> side >> side setback. So, if it was impervious coverage, it's one thing he's not asking
for that. And also town engineer report says that it's >> does not necessitate the need for mitigation. >> Right. He's at the the engineer saying he doesn't need to do anything. >> Yeah. not over the maximum allowable in coverage >> that that would I would say between the
two of you not here but if he's if he's agreeing to move it that's one less I mean in theory kind of one less variance he's going to need >> yeah um >> it's the only
>> that's the only means he has none >> it makes the most sense that instead of see I I wish we could have had a discussion because I could have helped You just dig a pit, >> fill it with stone, and put the shed on back. >> You need to sit down with your neighbor.
Excuse me. >> You need to with your neighbor and talk. >> Yeah. I Well, it it was done. You know, this >> have to do it again. >> Well, he'll have to he's going to be enlarging the the concrete pad because he's moving the shed. He has agreed to do that. >> Yeah. And that before he does that,
perhaps you can speak with him neighbor to neighbor and have a discussion as to what this gentleman is asking you to do so that he does not get the water runoff onto his property. >> That's what when when I walked in, that's what I said. I'm not here to complain. >> Okay?
>> I'm making a request. Manto man request. >> Help me out here. >> That's between you and him. Not here. >> Right. >> So if they're not going to if is there a resolution? Is there anything we have to >> concrete within? >> We're not granting us a variant or or
are we? >> No, he agreed to move and compliance. >> But he's going to leave the concrete slab. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Unless he agrees with the neighbors. >> You're But he is enlarging the concrete slab because he is moving. >> But you don't know whether that's going
to trigger any variances. >> We don't >> we don't we don't know that. >> All right. And the township engineer says there's no impervious coverage issue or drainage issue. So I mean now just one last question. So your neighbor's asking uh what if you put a little eaves trough on your shed roof.
>> I'm sorry. >> If you put some eaves troughs on so the water could run. >> Yeah, we can talk and consider about that. >> Okay. Why don't you guys talk >> a gutter system? Well that >> that's not what we're >> getting too deep into our involvement in your issue. >> What's an ease?
>> Pardon? >> What what is it? What did you say? an east truck. >> Yeah. Gutter on. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> To catch the water so it doesn't just run straight out. Talk about that's that's not >> that would help too. >> That's not what we're here to approve or disapprove. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> So you grant the variance subject to his moving the shed and >> Okay. >> You in agreement with that? >> Yeah. So um if I'm moving the concrete base like feet and a half inside >> Yeah.
Whatever the one I which I have, should I remain that one over there or you going to uh get rid of that part? >> If you could get rid of it, then there's no issue here. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> If you get if you say you're getting rid of it, it's over. >> Okay. >> Then we're not even granting you a
variance. You have no variances need that. We wouldn't be here. >> Okay. >> Is that what you want to do? >> Or you can leave it and 6 ft. You cannot. So just make extend like maybe a feet and a half and just
>> move a little bit inside. >> Yes. Which one are you going to do? >> But at the same time to do, Mr. Josh, >> he's either going to tear up the foot and half and just put in new footings and everything's doesn't have to slide.
It's just going to be over there. or he's going to extend it and slide and leave the leave the original foot in half. >> But if he leaves the original foot and a half, it's possible it's going to trigger >> the end, >> you know, coverage. >> If you cut if you take out the other
foot in half, it would just be a better thing. >> Put in new footings and we slide it over. >> Okay. >> All right. Got it. >> All right. Agreed. >> All right. And then you're going to be talking to your neighbor. >> Correct. >> All right. >> Okay. Are we good with that?
>> How long do you need to do that work? >> Uh have I have to find the contract? Probably like at least uh couple of months. >> Okay. Do you are you currently pending a you have a violation notice from the town?
>> I have only only about this thing, >> right? >> You get a notice of violation from the zoning department. Yeah. >> Okay. But you do you have anything pending in municipal court? >> No, nothing. >> You just have a notice of violation? >> Yeah, that's it. >> Okay. So, then you're going to tear up a
foot and a half off the slab and rebuild the >> the um shed, correct? >> No, we slide the shed over. >> Well, it's been done. >> You're going to move the shed so it's a foot and a half. >> So, it's 6 feet off the side.
>> Okay. So what you're asking then is to withdraw this application because you're going to correct the violation. >> So you don't need any variances if you correct that. >> And just understand what you're agreeing to. >> Yeah. >> Because you're here because you got a
notice of violation and they told you in order to keep going with your project, you needed a variance. Correct. >> Correct. >> Now you're going to correct the problem. >> So you correct the violation. So, you don't need a variance anymore. >> So, you're going to withdraw your
application with the understanding that you're going to correct the the zoning violation. >> You look confused. You look You have a question. What? What's >> No, I was just uh thinking something, but yeah. >> Do you want to come back after you think about it some more or you want to get it done today? >> No. No. I I want to get get it done today.
>> Okay. >> Um >> do you understand? get the approval. >> Um, >> yeah, I'll go with the >> otherwise Mike will >> I'll go with the foot and a half inch. >> Okay. So, you're going to withdraw your application for a variance. Yes. >> With the understanding that you're going
to correct >> the violation that you received from the zoning department. Is that correct? >> No, we don't have to do anything. >> Okay. >> So, you're asking the board to withdraw the Okay. So, the board's going to >> You said a time to comply. >> Well, that you you've already got
>> once you with the That'll come that'll juice. >> Yeah, that'll that'll trigger the zoning department. So, the zoning department is now going to move forward with your violation. So, you might want to talk to the zoning department and let them know that you're going to fix it.
>> But the compliance is uh outstanding. >> Well, he's got a violation notice, right? You have a violation notice. But if he moves the thing, the violation goes away. >> The violation goes away. >> Good. We're done. >> Great. Do you understand, sir, what we're asking you to do? >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> Now, you understand what you got to do? >> Yes. >> You sure? >> Yes. >> You have any questions? >> Okay. >> Okay. So, you're asking the board to you're asking that that your application for the variance be withdrawn. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Because you're going to fix what your
violation is in regard to. >> Yes. Okay. >> So, do we vote on that? >> No. >> No, you have to. >> We don't have to do anything. >> Okay. Wonderful. >> Well, have a good night. >> Yes. Just talk to your neighbor so that you could be neighborly. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> That was quick.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Application 2510 Lee Dong >> 50 James Street >> block 147 >> lot three zone R3 a C variance to
construct a two-story edition left side twotory edition right side >> back right >> covered front porch second story open deck with stairs a landing and stairs over patio all under proposed Second
story deck contrary to section 430-35 columns 4 and 10. Mr. Dong. >> Yes. >> Would you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Right. Yes, sir. >> Okay. You can have a seat.
>> State your name and spell your last name, please. >> My name is L Dong. D U O N G. >> Okay. I understand that you are you the only one here on this application? >> Yes, I am. >> You have your call. Everybody busy.
>> You have your architect or engineer or anything with you tonight? >> I am uh by myself. >> Okay. Um there's a letter from the municipal engineer dated May 28th of 2025. Have you seen that? [Music]
>> Thank you, Philip. Do >> we have that in our pack? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Human list it. >> Have you seen You can keep that. Have you seen that before? >> Uh I got it in here, but I don't know
somewhere. I can uh take a look at that. >> Okay. Have you >> Do you have um Do you have an architect on this project? >> Yes, sir. Do you have an engineer on this project? >> Yes. >> Okay. Have you? And neither one of them are here tonight, >> correct? >> Yes. Only me. I
>> only you. Okay. You might want to take that letter from the municipal engineer and talk to your architect and engineer about the concerns that were raised in that letter. >> Get so. >> Okay. And then
have them um maybe do some plans that address those concerns. Okay. >> Yes. >> Um, you understand what he's saying? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> So, >> so today I am here is not the final for
the uh approval for the the permit. >> Correct. >> That's my question. >> Yes. >> Well, you also then when you come back, you you might want to bring your architect or your engineer with you >> to testify about what it is that you want to do. >> Yes.
>> Okay. All right. I'm going to talk to the architecture. >> Yeah. And the town engineer cuz if we approve this application, you have to comply with what the township engineer is saying here and it might be something you don't want to do. Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> So, make sure. Okay. >> Yeah. This is my first time. I
>> Good. Okay. So, you want to come back a different night? >> Uh, so what night do I have to come back again? >> Yes, for sure. >> Yes. Nora, may we have a date to this application?
>> February 11th, 2026. >> February the 11th, 2026 at 7:30 in the evening. And it is advisable for you to have your architect here and to comply with the engineers report.
My architecture today be very busy that pretty soon. I have to show off by myself. >> Right. But so so just you understand what they're telling you. >> Call them up and tell them the date. >> Tell the architect, >> February 11th, >> and get a meeting with the engineering
>> so that you come up with a plan that the next time you come here and we ask you questions that you have might have the expert here to answer them and that you've made an agreement with the town engineer how to resolve the issues that he's presented.
>> Okay. Doing it. I've been loving. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Do we come up? Did we give him a date? >> Okay. >> Yes. >> And he granted us whatever. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes, she is. We agree. It sounds like it. Yes. >> Okay. You need a motion. >> May we have We have a motion.
>> February 11th. >> Second. >> February 11th. >> Oh my goodness. It take forever. >> So, better than ever. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. >> Byebye. Thank you. Tell us
>> application 22. >> He left happy. >> One happy left. Application 22 col 451 199 New Road LLC and 219 New Road LLC
199-219 New Road block 770 lots four and five zone L1W-2 preliminary and final final site plan with CD variance to construct two
warehouses. This application was carried from July 23rd, 2025. >> Carried at that time. >> All right. You want to put everybody ready? You want to put your right hand? >> Uh, this one got carried. So, hold on.
>> Good evening, madam chair. Good evening, ma'am. >> My name is Michael Ruben. I represent my daughters and applicants which are 199 New Road LLC and 219 New Road LLC block
770 lock 4 and five is in the LIW2 district and is currently approved with non-conforming uses consisting of two residential dwellings and an open storage area.
Applicants proposes to demolish all improvements and construct two contractor storage buildings. The lot is operated by Nano Construction Company which uses the outdoor storage
yard to store its vehicles. Nano Construction will continue to use the new property by by using the rear building and the parking in the rear of the lot. The front building will be leased out to
various independent contracts. >> That building, I believe, is 5,000 square ft. >> The one the front >> one in the rear is the one in the rear. >> The one in the rear is 5,000 square ft. >> Do you have a do you have a u you have a
company at the present time that will occupy that site? >> The front building, the rear building, it will be occupied by Net Construction. Okay. >> Who currently is the affiliated entity to the current owners and and uses the
current site restore of their vehicle. >> Okay. >> They're going to the testified they're going to ship a whole bunch of those out of Par symphony and just keep a few of them um on this particular property.
Uh there'll be 48 on-site parking spaces. Um, applicant seeks preliminary and final site plan approval, a D1 use variance, a C variance for parking in the front yard within 15 ft of the front lot line. There are other possible variances that have been identified by
the board's professionals which will be addressed by the applicant's witnesses. Those witnesses are J. Michael Petri, professional engineer and professional planner who will testify in both capacities. We're going to ask for the board of indulgence to split his
testimony having engineering first and planning last. Uh Douglas Coleman uh the applicant's architect and Lee Klein the applicant's traffic engineer unless there are any questions from the board. Would you care to see proceed with our witnesses?
>> Please first witness your right hand, please. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. State your name. Spell your last name, please. >> J. Michael Petri. P E T R Y. The firm is
Petri Engineering, 155 Pake Avenue, Sweet 350 in Fairfield, New Jersey. >> Michael, could you give the board the benefit of your educational professional background? >> Certainly. I'm uh a graduate of New Jersey Institute of Technology with a
bachelor's degree in architecture. Uh, I've been involved in site design and infrastructure improvement projects for the past 41 years. He says that quietly. Um, I am licensed as an engineer,
architect, and planner in the state of New Jersey. All three of my licenses are in good standing, and I've been licensed in all three disciplines for more than 30 years. I've appeared before planning and zoning boards on numerous occasions, including this municipality's boards.
Um, and I have been held as an expert in site design in federal court as a planner and an engineer for a variety of boards throughout the >> Yes, I have. And I've served boards in both capacities. >> He's qualified. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Um, will you ret is it okay with the board if we split his testimony to start with engineering? I I don't take a problem. >> I have no problem with that. >> All right. Let's start with the engineering. You were you were retained to do an engineering and design plan for this particular project?
>> Yes. Actually, our our firm was engaged to prepare a boundary and topographic survey, a wetlands delineation and LOI, uh conceptual site plans, a series of soil investigations, a preliminary site plan which was submitted to this board
simultaneously with it submitted to New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection where we were seeking both flood hazard area and wetland GPS and transition area averaging permits. Uh we are also engaged to secure Mars County
soil conservation approval to prepare a planning evaluation to attend meetings and hearings and prepare final site plan with resolution compliance. Our firm prepared the survey work uh performed the delineation
received a LOI from NJD and we recently filed for an extension on that LOI because they are good for 5 years and that 5-year period has uh expired. We developed the soil testing, prepared the site plans and secured
approvals for the site plan from NJD for both wetlands and flood hazard area permits. So, we're before this board for site plan approval, use variances to construct uh to reconstruct an existing contractor's yard, and to include new
buildings that will take what is currently outside storage and have the vast majority of those materials placed inside of the buildings. I have a series of um presentation boards that I'm going to utilize. is I
made 11 by7 copies for the board members to make your lives easier. Um and and to make board secretary's life easier so she doesn't have to keep 24x36 copies in her file. >> So these were not submitted with the application, right?
>> They were not submitted with the application, but they represent information all contained on the >> Okay. Can we just mark that A1 then? >> Yes.
[Music] Is this >> big? [Music] >> But this might be better.
>> Yeah, I think so. >> Yeah, he's appreciate that. How many points is this? >> It goes through >> there's SP through seven >> 14. So A1 is a 14page document.
I may or may not talk to all of them. Sure. But I think it's easier for the board to have it at 11 by7 to have 24 by 36. >> Appreciate that. >> I can I can do this if that's what if that's what everybody needs. Um >> he needs to walk with the microphone.
>> Yeah, that's fine. As long as you as long as you you know you use the microphone, that's fine. >> Okay. Um the subject property has two lot designations, lot four and lot five. Both of them are in block 770. It's commonly known as 29 219 and 199 New
Road. So what's on the what's on the easel right now, the first sheet in this set is a figure that shows the aerial photograph of the area with your zoning um superimposed over it. So at the top of the sheet is Route 46.
Um, somewhere to the left bottom of the sheet is Interstate Route 80 and New Road connects between the two in a circular manner going from top center to bottom left corner. Um, the subject
property is designated PQ right here. And that is roughly halfway. It's a little less than halfway, but roughly halfway between Route 46 uh um and and Route 280 to the south and west. Um the
subject property, in fact, we we did take the opportunity to blow it up a little bit. We may come back to this uh in the future, but as as is described by uh council in his opening statements, the the subject property has two
residential structures located on it. There's outdoor storage of material accessed from a single driveway off of New Road. The rear portion of this property, what we'll talk about later, is is wetlands. It is also flood plane. The rear boundary line of the property
is the Rockway River. So when we look at the boundary and topographic survey that was prepared for the property also in your set [Music] and a little color to make it easier to see from from where you are. The uh the
property is generally rectangular in shape. Uh it has uh 300 a little over 353 feet of frontage along new road. It's almost 900 ft deep. Uh in fact 900 on the top, 875 on the bottom. It
contains a total of 7.3 acres and the back half of the property and it's delineated on all of our plans. Uh shows the wetlands limitation which runs along where my finger just ran. Uh it also actually comes in and takes a little
piece of the front of the property as well. That wetlands was determined to have a 50-ft transition area, another protected area, and that 50ft transition area runs along this line here. Uh also shown on each of the sets of plans
that's in your set. So DP's gone out, they've verified that line, they've they've established that transition. What else do we have to deal with here? Well, we also have to deal with the the Rockaway River and the flood hazard elevation that's associated with the Rockaway River. And that flood elevation
ranges because the river has pitched to it from 175 to 175.7. So that generally follows the limits of the wetlands or the wetland transition areas. Um
>> explain that to me a little bit more. >> Sure. The >> So, the river is way over here on the front. >> River's way over here. >> Got it. Okay. >> And it floods all of this property all the way up to about here. >> That floods all the time. >> Um, well, that's the that's what D
refers to as the uh flood hazard area designed flood elevation. >> So, the numbers you gave 1.7 1.1, what does that mean to me? That's that's an elevation above sea level in in 1988 DATM that the that the when the Rockaway
River floods to its extreme beyond what's considered the 1% flood or the 100redyear flood as you've probably heard it described in the past. Um the D adds 20% more volume on that and that establishes an elevation. Everything
below that elevation D regulates. So, if you want to put a shovel full of dirt or a building or anything in that below that flood elevation, you have to go to D first and get a permit to do that. And >> so, you've done that. >> And we've done that.
>> Okay. Got it. >> And and it's an important fact because this is an environmentally sensitive piece of property >> and and what we've what we've done ahead of coming to the board is go to D to make sure we got their blessing. And you have a lot of your blessings.
>> Yeah, we we did we did get their blessing. Um so our initial application to D was for the wetlands delineation and LOI. Uh it took a little over a year to get them to to issue that. That was approved in December on December 18th,
2019. We filed for an extension of that LOI on October 18th, 2024, a year ago. We still haven't heard back. Um, but it it would be extended based
upon the original permit to December 18, 2029. D the wetlands people have no restriction as to when they can issue their their extensions. >> Nor do they come back and do another visit. >> They they can come back to do another
visit. Yes. To see usually to see if there's any violations. Generally, extensions are are pretty much a guarantee. Now, we have permits in hand and and that's what I was going to get to next. The permits allow us to to do
the work, but we have to have a current LOI. They they they can't change the permit because the LOI changes. All we need is a current LOI before we can put a shovel in the ground. Do you have any nervousness as to whether they're going
to apply the new rules to your extension? >> The extension is only for a letter of interpretation. It's not for the permits. The permits are the permits and that's what I was going to get to. The permits were submitted to NJD
and they were issued actually they were submitted in June of 2022 and after several modifications they issued the joint permits for wetlands and flood hazard area in March 22nd of 2023.
Those permits extend until March 21st, 2028. So we have the right to build our project until March 21st, 2028. the project you're giving us right now, they've looked at and they've given you the permits to build that project within those or limitations. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Got it. >> But he said he can't get started until he gets the LOI, >> right? >> Extension. >> Yes. That's not a problem because we have to come get this board's permission first. So, we're here >> we're here while D is
>> working on the LOI extension. Um the the the one that we submitted in Wayne took them 16 months. 16 months to respond to. >> So, how far out all the authority are you into it now? >> We're uh
>> 13 months maybe. We only have three to go. I don't know. D doesn't have time restrictions. Those went away, believe it or not, with CO and they have not come back. D used to have time limits. They don't have time limits anymore for wetlands projects. Only for flood hazard
area projects. So, so we have this property. The vast majority of the the rear portion of the property is wooded wetland. The front portion of the property is is utilized as an outdoor contractor storage yard.
Um, and and there are two residential structures on the property as well. Those wetlands, as I said, wiggle around to the front and take a piece of that as well. So, what >> that property is totally your project is totally surrounded by wetlands >> except for a new road. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.
And the residential are what are they? Two homes or >> there's there's a home there and one of the homes I think has residential uses and an office use in it that supports the contractor's yard. >> Yes, there are residential there people who live there.
>> Okay. >> So, this is the layout sheet containing your set. Again, this this sheet has been colored for purposes of clarity and presentation. The applicant is before this board to seek approval to remove the two residential structures, item number one,
to construct two new warehouse structures, one in the front containing 18,100 square ft with rough dimensions of 180 by 100 and a second in the rear which is
100 ft by 50 ft. Now that building in the rear is going to be occupied by Neto Construction. Again, what is anticipated is that Neto Construction will have their equipment stored in this building and they're going to have their mechanic
in this building as well doing work on their vehicles only. I think it's important to mention that this is not an outside use. This is a support for the for the contractor's yard. Um >> what are these vehicles? >> Excuse me.
>> What are the vehicles that will be stored? >> Well, the um the Neto Construction is a concrete contractor and they do site improvements as well. So they have they have low boys
with back hose. They have um they have containers for for refuse. They have um tandem trucks. They they have trucks. In fact, most of those trucks are on the
site today. Um and and they have the the ability to move those on and off the property on a regular basis as they do today. So, the goal of this project is to take the majority of the stored
materials and get them inside of buildings. So, it's the ultimate goal here is to clean up the site. >> Um, this all outside stuff now materials. >> If you in fact, if you I'll go back for a hot second. >> No, we we know it.
>> The second area. >> Um, this aerial happens to be from uh New Jersey Gin Warehouse 2015. But you can see the materials and this is the the second sheet in the the presentation that was handed out. So you can see the materials in the back portion of this
lot includes a mess. >> Includes trucks, includes containers. It Yes, it but you know what? It's it's a reasonably screened mess right now. But it is a mess. When I say it's a reasonably screened mess, there's I agree. >> There are evergreens across the front and there are the the homes that that
make it better. Our our goal here is to >> is to put it inside buildings and the buildings um the buildings provide any screening that's that's really necessary. Go ahead. >> There's a lot here. So I just want to make sure I'm getting everything. >> The D variance is Did you describe what
variances you need yet? >> Not yet. We have >> Okay. >> He's just describing what our project construction is. >> Okay. >> What the project construction and why they need the variances. of that stuff. >> Okay. Instead of the variances, what you need first, we're going to get
>> this is what we're building and this is what variances are implicated by what we are building. >> Okay. >> If you do that, you need these following variances. We haven't got >> that's correct. >> Okay. >> So around these buildings, we're going to we're going to create a paved parking
lot. That parking lot's going to be paved. It's going to be curved. It's going to have storm water collection systems associated with it. the uh the storm water collection systems will have a uh detention and water quality basin
associated with them before those discharge to the wetlands. So, we're going to be not to not to give away all of my purposes of planning, but we are going to be improving the quality of storm water runoff that discharges to the wetlands today. We're going to be
reveating um existing transition areas that are currently utilized for um construction vehicle and material storage. Today um we're going to be uh providing a
subsurface system where the roof leaders from the buildings go so they can recharge into the ground. So we're creating a recharge situation again today. And and what we're trying to do is take a site that is that is utilized
for generally the same purpose today and make it something that not only the applicant but the municipality can be proud of. So a small portion a small portion of this rear parking lot um is anticipated to be utilized for the
outdoor overnight parking of equipment. that is only will only happen in the rear and will only include nettoowned vehicles. Um is your client willing to make that a condition of approval? >> Yes.
>> How about with respect to only working on netto vehicles in that rear? Is that >> okay? That the rear building and the rear park. >> What is the blue area? Right. >> The blue area is a is a retention and
detention basin on the property. So part of what NJ makes you do when you when you expand paved areas is to provide for a water quality element. So this basin
has a sandbased bottom and the the water quality storm, the lesser storms, um when when it you get a splattering of rain and it washes all of the the materials off of the pavement and into a basin, D wants you to to allow that to
sit in the basin and get all the delotterious materials out of it before it discharges to the wetlands. And that's what this >> does wetlands. it does discharge to the wetlands. Ultimately, the the basin could has the capacity to
take storm water from the from the uh paved surfaces and hold it back. Has an outlet structure. So, it discharges that that same water slowly to that to the wetlands. That was a permit. That was one of the things we had to get before
we could come to this board. Now, what DP does when you seek those types of permits is D makes you set up what's called a conservation area. So, they basically restrict any further use of that property going forward and they say
and then put up a split rail fence so everybody knows where it is and on that fence you're going to put signs that says, you know, conservation area, stay out. And so, that's why the rear portion of this property has a fence that kind of wraps around all of that. uh that
detention basin area and back into the into the sides of the of the parking lot. So beyond that is is limited. So >> you have two structures proposed. It's going to be 23,000 square ft total. >> That is to correct. >> So >> 23,100 ft >> to be precise, right?
>> To be precise. >> And and that would require obviously a whole lot of impervious coverage, right? >> We we do have we do have a fair amount of impervious coverage. Yes. But I'll I'll get to that >> later >> in a little bit. >> Okay.
>> Prompts. >> Um, >> we'll wait. >> It It's part It's part of my part of my planning discussion. I can I can jump to it if you'd like, but I I what I prefer to do is is >> Could you give us dates on those various
maps that you flipped over? >> Yes. These are these are revised through 4624. Okay. Um that's the detailed layout that deals with the front of the site. Um
>> 46 48 I believe. >> I think so too. >> Yes. 48. I'm sorry. >> You know when you two days are important. >> When when when you start to get old, the eyes are the first thing that goes. I think
>> this is this is actually this is actually a good a good map to talk to at least briefly. So this is our grading drainage and storm water management. So I talked I spoke before um about that elevation that flood
elevation and and that's what this blue line represents that kind of cuts through here. This is that flood elevation that that D regulates. So everything to this side of that line D regulates. Everything to that side of the line they don't regulate. So when we
developed our plans, we tried to to keep as much as we could outside of that and put as little as we had to inside of that. >> So that 5,000 foot is >> is within it. >> It is within it. And so when you're finished, what D makes you do because
you're allowed to you're allowed to put two shovel pulls in over here as long as you take two shovels out over there. Okay? >> So it's a net even. >> It's a net even. And that's what this red line represents. This red line that's dashed here is represents the
post construction 100year or the I'm sorry the flood hazard area flood elevation. So we balance that by cut and fill so that we have the same amount of storage after we're finished as we did before we started. But what we did that
we don't have today is we put in water quality, we put in detention, and we put in recharge. All things that don't exist today. >> And this is all regulated and inspected by the D. >> It's all regulated by D. D. I think I
gave you the dates, but D took about 15 months to review the flood hazard elevation um information. But when you're building the project, the town's not doing that. D comes and shuts down. >> D does it. We have to notify D before we
put a shovel in the ground and say, "We're starting this." And they have the right to come out and inspect at any time. And when we're finished, we have to say, "Hey, we're finished." >> Okay. >> So, yes, they're they have a responsibility. Now,
>> I'm not going to sugarcoat it because D about 15 months ago, they they required every municipality to assign a flood plane manager. And the flood plane manager's job is to make sure that
you're following the D rules. And if the if you're not, you're supposed to you're supposed to report it to D. I don't know who the flood plane manager in port is, but I'm going to guess it's your town engineer or your assistant town engineer, both of whom are good guys. So um ultimately
they they have a level of responsibility but the ultimate responsibility lies with D. Okay. D is just trying to spread the blame so that they're not liable for everything or responsible. Um, we're also, as part of the
improvements, we're putting in a state-of-the-art lighting system, all LED lights. Those LED lights are made up of a series of five light poles. Two in the front,
three in the back. Um, four. >> Nope, four in the back. Sorry. So there's there's a total of six light poles. Those mounting heights are 25 ft. These are all LED lights. And then the balance of the light fixtures are
building mounted fixtures. Um and there are 12 of them and they're mounted 18 ft above the grade. There's minimal spillage onto new road uh from the lights in the front. There's minimal spillage onto the adjacent parking lot that abuts this property. you need to
find minimal. >> Um, we're looking at like 2 to 3/10 of a foot candle uh spillage over into the street or into the adjacent. >> So, there would be no impact to any of the residential areas across the other side of New York.
>> Well, if you go back to the if you go back to the beginning of this whole thing, >> yeah, >> see is we don't have residential areas within 200 ft of us. Good. You my question. Thank you. So yes, we we can >> I think we have the only two residential
buildings within that general area. >> So yes, >> you're tearing them down. >> Yes, we're tearing them down. And then finally, as it relates to engineering, there is also a landscape plan. Um and while the landscape plan is obviously subject to your uh municipal
foresters uh review there there was comments um by DP for the reforestation of the transition areas. So when I talk about transition areas, the wetlands have it have a 50 foot used to be called a buffer 50-oot buffer and that buffer
is established and protected so that it so that it helps clean the water before it gets to the wetlands. And when you've got transition area that disturbed when you go to D, they make you restore it.
So, we have a whole bunch of planting material in here and in here uh in the back of the property beyond what we're what we're building where we have to restore um we have to restore plantings with D
approved plant materials and they require us to maintain them for a period of time and report on them for a period of time. So all of that, all of the landscaping in the rear and I guess to the uh to the south of the property in
the front, uh is all material that D required and approved as part of our as part of our planting plan. So um the municipality can comment on anything they want up in here, back in here.
That's D's regime. So that's that's where we stand. So I think that gives you a good idea of the of the um of the engineering. I'm going to come back to talk about
variances later, but since people asked about what um what they were, let me start with um we we proposed these as warehouse buildings for a reason because our intention is that the contractors will be storing their material inside of
these buildings. Not really functioning inside of them. They're not really um they're not really there all day long. But if if the if a landscape contractor pulls his trailer in at the end of the day, he's going to pull it out the next
day. He's got somewhere to keep his equipment and keep it safe and inside of a building. Um, so we realize that we have a at least a D2 variance to expand an existing contractor's yard to include
multiple contractors. Um it's been suggested that we need a variance for multiple uses. Um I think we have multiple tenants. Not sure that we have multiple uses. I think the use of the repair of the Netto
vehicles is ancillary to the principal use. Um but we we're not we're not here to argue. What we're here to do is we're going to prove our variance >> because it's really not a business. It's a function for the business. >> Correct. Okay. >> But it's not just Neto's business.
>> Correct. There's multiple. That's why I think we need I think we need a D2 variance to expand a non-conforming use, which is the uh which is the contractor's charge because we're going to have multiple contractors. >> But is he going to be fixing other people's equipment? Is that what you were asking about?
>> It was just a stipulation made on the record that he would only repair his own equipment and his own equipment only. >> We tend no he will not repair their equipment. >> No. Will they be repairing their own equipment? >> Um, I think I think they would do the
basic things that that contractors do. I mean, if if if they have to, you know, change the oil, they may change the oil. If they're if they're going to if they're going to do those types of things in their space, then I I would anticipate that that's ancillary to
their use of of their equipment. Yes. >> You have to deal with the old wheel. Yes, >> that's and and there's state regulations to deal with that. Yes. >> Um >> what control will the owner have on the
scope of uses? Could you allow a a guy who's um a blasting contractor? Would he be allowed to locate in that building? >> I think I think the anticipation
>> he's going to have dynamite in store. I I I would I would think that the owner would be restrictive of something like that, but the answer is he expects general. >> When you sit down, maybe you could frame out what you will not allow. >> Okay? >> Because I've been asking that question
for about a year. >> Okay? The other variances that we know we need is that we are asking for the parking, the front parking to be set back 12 feet from the right of way where 15t is required. Um,
and we have >> that. Why do we need that? >> Um, we're we're restricted in the back. So, we've had to kind of push everything forward. We tried to minimize it. Um, uh, 12 ft versus 15. >> Can't find 3 ft to just move that back.
>> Yeah, I was going to say a whole building. Come on. Got plenty of room there. Well, the >> I I can see you squeezing the corner on the side of that building, but this is a difficult barriage to prove. >> All right. Well, we Well, we we haven't
gotten to proofs yet. I just wanted to list them so that everybody was aware. It's also I think the GPI letter also suggests that a parking variance would be could be needed. I know that there's going to be testimony from the traffic engineer about how he established a standard for parking. Um, but I think
the GPI letter suggests we need 94 spaces. Um, we show a need of 42. Um, so there's a pretty substantial differential there. I think we need to hear from the traffic engineer before we get into that. We have 48 on site. Is
there a succinct uh synopsis of the variances needed or is it all in mixed in the letters? Well, that's what I tried to just do as I spoke. I tried >> nothing on nothing on writing.
>> Um I think they're listed >> like when we get the residential. It's >> the the residential is >> much easier, but it's like boom boom boom. There's nothing like that within this packet. Correct. >> I I think there's because there is in the in Mr. Chadwick's letter there's
there's a listing of what he feels the two letter from Mr. list >> August 9th. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> 22. >> 22. >> 22. Yes. >> We've been at this for a little while. >> Well, you know, you need the front yard
parking >> setback. Yes, we agree, right? You know, >> we agree we need a D2 variance. Whether we need two Dvariances for for multiple users is is another question. the number of parking spaces >> the D2 or D1 testimony
>> and and finally I think Mr. Chadwick cited us for front yard loading. Um I I think when the architect explains the buildings u what we're going to see is that we're not loading in the front yard. Um what we're providing in this
building is we're providing the ability to drive into the building with equipment. And so we're not going to be loading. We're not going to be we're not going to be pulling trucks up, loading materials into them, and and pulling them out. What we're doing is we're we're giving the each tenant the ability
to bring their car to the site, park it, pull out their equipment, pull it into the driveway, it's in front of their door, and and go to work for the day and then do the opposite when they come back at the end of the day. >> Is the current use permissible in the
zone? >> It is not. Contact storage yard is I don't think permissible pretty much anywhere. >> Right. >> So >> but a warehouse is per is that >> a warehouse is a permitted use. Yes. >> Right. >> And and >> but this is not this is
>> No, it's not really a warehouse. >> I contract flex space. >> That's what I think it is. >> Yeah. It's it's a it's it's a space for I mean yes flex space to an extent. Could there be an ancillary space for a
desk where you're doing your paperwork and sending out your bills? Perhaps yes. Um but but this space is really for the storage of vehicles and equipment associated with construction construction work. >> Okay. So that's the use that you're
asking the board to approve. >> That is correct. >> In both loca lo both buildings. >> Yes, that is correct. So then if someone wants to rent space and their use is not consistent with that approval, they'll need to come for a variance.
>> That is correct. >> Unless their use, I guess, is permitted in the zone, >> right? Unless it's permitted. Sure. >> Okay. So, those are the variances we believe that we're going to come back and talk to after both the architect and the traffic engineer provide their
testimony to the board. >> Thank you. Do we want to you want to address any of the minor comments item white polls that kind of thing or do you want to wait? >> I don't you can ask questions or anything you want. >> We got them up to 25 ft. Most of them in
that area around 20. Any reason you can't drop them down 5t? >> We we could certainly drop them down. Um we we may need to add one or two, but we could certainly drop them down. Um, >> you plan to keep them on all night >> because we generally shut them off.
>> Shut them off at the end of business. >> Security level. >> Yeah. You okay with that? >> Be turned down at security level. >> Okay. And the landscaping along the front, it's got some nice evergreen trees there. Now, are you going to cut them all down?
>> We we are removing most of the evergreen trees that are there. Yes. Um, >> are we going to put any back in? We do have we do have plans to put deciduous trees back in and a hedgero back in. Um I saw your comment that you wanted the hedge row tightened up a little bit. I
think there was also comments from um the the the forester the foresters department that they wanted um a different type of evergreen screening um to shield our our
parking lot from the parking lot next door >> to put it in enhanced landscaping along new road. >> Yes. >> To break up the front of the building. >> Yes. >> And we'll leave the details to the forest. >> That's fine. Mr. Lmanowitz, do you have questions of
this uh witness? >> Yes, Mr. Petri, you're just going back to the lighting in the front of the building. Um I noticed that the that the lighting pattern is a a wide pattern. Uh and that and that it's supplemented the pole lighting is a wide pattern. Yes.
>> And it's supplemented by wall-mounted lights on the front of the building that are what we used to call wall packs. and they're pointed, you know, where you can where the where the where the the light source seems to be visible pointing out to new road. Is there any reason why you
couldn't instead of having a having that wide lensing have more of a forward throw lensing so we don't have the wall mounted lights pointing into the road >> on the front of the building? >> Yes. >> Yes, we can accomplish that. >> It's it's a pretty far throw.
>> Yeah. Like I said, I wasn't sure if or at least you can make it you can make it far enough that maybe the lights on the building can be a a definite downpointed light rather than a horizontal pointed light. So, if you can reach a little bit more from the new road side of the
parking lot, you can extend that reach a little bit and you can change the fixtures on the building so they're directly down and you don't have the light source point to that new road. >> We we can I'm certain that we can accomplish that. Yes. Are
>> there any other questions from the board of this witness of his testimony? >> Is there anyone in the audience? >> Was that all you had? >> Um, well, based there's there's there's quite a few comments in here. Are there any comments in my letter that you're
going to have issue with? >> I have no issue with your letter, Mr. Lammanoitz. was thorough and detailed and it was easy for me to understand and we could accept that as a condition of any action that the sport takes. >> And the only thing that um since since
this report was written uh the township engineers requested me to request uh on your on the storm water maintenance manual. >> Yes. on the sheet that lists the responsible party. The responsible party has to sign that to know that there's a
responsible party. >> That that won't be a problem since the responsible party is sitting behind me to my left. >> Um, Madam Chair, that's all I have. >> David is a very responsible guy. I don't know about my client, but David is
Madam Chair, that's really all I you know with the with the representation that there's nothing other nothing else in here that is uh um that Mr. Petri takes exception to I think I can I can say that I don't have any more questions for this >> where we stand on the number of parking
spaces. You said there were different >> I think that I think that the traffic engineer is going to have some discussion about that and I think one of the questions in the reports was you know where where does the standard come from and I think he's going to be able to speak to that. So I think I that's
why I'd rather let you hear his testimony before I talk about parking variances and and and where we are. >> I do have a question though on occasion new road floods. >> Yes it does. Does this property do so at the same time?
>> Um the the rear of this property does. Yes. New road >> near the intersection. >> New new road. New roads is is a fun road. It actually has a a brook that crosses it. Um as you get a little bit down closer to 46 from this property. Um
but it's it it's a classic. It's a classic what I call a flat road. It's got like a little W shape to it. It goes up and down and up and down and up and down. All of the downs flood and I know cuz I drove it for the for 13 or 14 years where I lived in Barcipany to get
to my office in West Orange. So I we're which is where it was at the time. So I'm I'm uh >> No. So what happens to the front of the property when the road is flooded? >> Well, the the front of this property um isn't bad, but the frontage of new road
is I mean it basically it goes it goes up and down. So, what's the good part about what we're doing here? Contractor's equipment sits up higher and can go through the water. So, why is this an appropriate location for this particular use, which is going to be one of the standards you hear about later,
is is that a contractor's vehicle can traverse the road when it's flooded, unlike a passenger vehicle in an office, which can't because because they their their vehicles sit lower to the road. Now the the larger building is that is
that a one story? It >> they're all singlestory buildings. Yes. The both both buildings are singlestory and and the we I can't tell you exactly how many. Look, this is set up I think for for
>> 13 or 14 different users. the the applicant doesn't expect that many and would obviously rather have less but you know he's he's setting it up because he understands there's a need people come to him and say is there is there a way I
can >> going to be units with walls between them or is it going to be like a like a bar the architect's going to speak to that >> okay >> so I don't want to steal everybody else's thunder >> you're doing so well so far >> thank you appreciate it >> anyone else have any questions this
witness and his testimony. I see anyone in the audience have any questions of this witness and his testimony? I see. >> Uh, next witness is Douglas Coleman. Uh, vice president. testing out
[Music] the engine. >> What happened? >> I don't shrunk. >> I shrunk. [Music] >> Oh, really? Um, is your client going to immerse the law?
[Music] [Music] >> So 199 New Road LLC and 219 New Road LLC are owned by entities related to metal construction. >> So it's all one integrated unified
ownership. >> Gotcha. Oh, this is >> Yep. Okay. Can you raise your right hand, please? You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing. >> I do. >> Wait. Say your name. Spell your last name, please. >> Sure. Douglas Coleman. C O L E M A N
266. King George. >> You get the book of your education, your professional background. >> Sure. I've been uh an expert in architecture for over 40 years. Uh I have a list here of about 55
several times in front of me architecture licensed uh six seven other states >> and they're current. >> Yes, I have. >> And you board in the past? >> Yes, I have. >> Thank you. I ask that you recognize his
license architects. >> He's qualified. Uh can you please describe the building that you have designed to fit on the site plan that Mr. Petri previously described? >> Sure. Um what I put before you in the rendering is uh to be clear is a
rendering from the rear. The reason we did that was we wanted to be able to show you the building in the back 40 the 5,000t building that you would not see if we did the rendering from the front. The larger building 8100T building is identical. So front to back. The only
difference is if you look closely, you'll see that there's unit numbers placed on those. So the unit numbers start in the front and go one through five or six and then finish up in the back. >> But that's A2 today's date. I don't think that's in our package, right? >> Yes. >> No, I just give you confidence. Do you
want A2? >> Yes, please. [Music] Now the numbers of units that you described correspond to numbers that they sign. >> That is correct.
>> Continue test and beyond. >> That's right. >> Is the rendering the intended color >> theme for the >> Yes. >> project? >> Yes. I know John, you had asked for colors.
We gave you the rendering just to give you an idea that it was going to be earth tone colors, but um the drawing I have before you A1 boards that I have are the same drawings you have before you. I'll just walk you through them. One of the things we did here is as you saw from the rendering, the building is lo located from the front of the
building as well as from the rear of the building. There's garage doors that'll open up. We tried to give the client options and what they could do. The units are about 1,300 square ft each. We have the ability in which to be able to combine those units. And as you were asked before, the board member, there's
actually demising walls that be put between the units. So you have demising walls for security. We provided a bathroom, usually a half bath in each one, and there's a combination of just half bath. Some of them have a small reception area and some of them have a small office area. In the past, when
we've done buildings like this before, it's usually tends to be landscapers, HVAC guys, plumbers. That's why we put a mezzanine in because a lot of these guys the only way they can make things happen is to actually have the materials on site that they'll load into their trucks. Electricians will normally have
all their extra wire on all their extra paraphernalia as well as tools in the mezzanine area. So the first building you're looking at that was the 8100 ft and be broken into an ABC type design. Um and like I said one of one of them at the minimum has just bathrooms at 1300
ft². The other one has bathrooms and and a small office and in a reception area. >> So the mezzanine is only for storage of materials. >> Only for storage. That's correct. >> And it situation where it's only going to be built into plastic by the tenant. Right. >> That is correct. You're going to find out that the we've done these buildings
before and it tends to be the small time contractor and they're always looking for storage space and like for example, as I said before, landscapers will go in, they'll they'll they'll change spark plugs in their stuff. They'll sharpen the blades in their mowers. They'll do that type of stuff inside and like you said during cold weather when the
landscapers aren't around they like to still store their equipment inside. >> Would your client be willing as a condition should the board view this favorably that no work on um vehicle should be conducted outside
>> except >> except for except in except for Neto himself. >> Yes. >> But with respect to the tenants. >> Yes. Yep. Uh sheet A2 just shows you the elevations of the 8100 foot building. What it's showing uh and also in your rendering, you'll notice there's a
standing seam metal roof that runs across the top of the building. There's an insulated aluminum panel that makes up the wall system and then there's a decorative concrete block at the bottom. Concrete block is used because that stops people from backing into things. Uh they'll be bothered to be placed in
each one of the garage doors as well. We put the signs. We showed you where the where tenant signs were. And in the um in the larger building, 8,100 ft, the um building height of that space is 30 height was 33t 2 1/2 in. And on the
smaller building, the 5,000t building, it's 26 ft 11 12 in. >> That's the reach. >> Yes, that's the highest point of the region. So those are signs that each individual company could throw up to >> normally what happens is is people come
to them they'll ask you for your what you want on your sign and using Mr. Neto would then go doing it because you want conformity. >> So do you need a variance for the amount of signs on the property? >> I don't believe so >> Mr. Johnson or >> it's governed by
the users in a percent of their wall area. >> Front wall area. >> I just threw a lot of signs. >> I think you I think you would cover it with how many users would be the maximum
in this? >> 14 uh garage openings. We would have a maximum of 14 garage opening >> and the signage for would be basically on the door or over the door
>> right now something like just adjacent to the door >> a coupleanding sign out the road. >> Yeah, that' be I'm sorry. >> And we have a freestanding sign we have to talk about. >> Were you in charge of that? >> I was I could spell.
>> So they made me do it. I think the best way to handle the number tents and and pin down the size on those and generally would be like professional office name plate signs. >> Okay. >> 2 and 1/2 three square ft.
>> Okay. >> Which is I don't know. Yes. The um as we were talking before on the building you'll notice on those drawings that we actually have wall mounted signs as the engineer said before. uh the mounting height was like 18 feet. I'll show you a
picture of those. Those are down lights. Those are actually lights that are not casted out. They're actually bu building vertical balance. And then what we did is we put small lights over each one of those light areas because we didn't want to have illuminated signs. We figured we illuminate the sign as opposed to having
it back lit. Going on to A3. A3 shows you the same thing that we just talked about. We're just in the in the 5,000 building. Same thing. We located the bathroom on opposite end of that space and the rest of the space is just storage area.
>> Mezzanine as well. >> I'm sorry as well. >> There is no plan right now for mezzanine area. And the reason being is that that equipment tends to be a little taller than a guy coming in with a pickup truck for plumber. So you could still put the
mezzanine there and still get clearance in there, but you wouldn't include most of it in the top one. The only thing you could do there is you could actually have if they chose to, you know, they could run alongside a wall if that made sense. But the problem with it is the equipment's big. All the tools and and
things and parts are heavy, so you don't want to have to lift them up. This particular drawing SS1 is the sign drawing and we did some revisions to it. He showed on there where there are 15 uh tenant spaces to be filled in. As Mr. N
said before, we don't believe he's going to have that many people. Uh he's hoping that he'll have just a couple, but basically we did a freestanding sign. We put the details for it. We showed how it was going to be lit from the from the ground. And we actually gave you the actual cut sheets on that equipment. And
then we also in the bottom left hand corner, you'll see those are the wall mounted packs. And uh in the upper floor are the lights that go for each one of the lights signs that are on the building and they're solar powered be controllable by you know whatever
whatever time. >> How big is Yeah. How big is that? So how how start with the height? >> Uh the overall um is 10 ft max >> that seems to comply >> 10 ft max and it's uh 7 ft overall 6 ft
on the sign. Does it exceed 64 square ft in area? >> Will it? Yes, it is. Well, it's 4T 11 4T 11 by 16. So, that' be 5 by 16 to 30 ft.
>> And is it where is it located? >> It's on the uh engineer site plan coming in off the >> There is a dimension there. I can't read it though. >> Which one, John? There is a dimension on the setback for the sign. >> Yeah.
As soon as you come in the entrance off of new, you'll see a little line right there in the side. That's on F2 of the colored sheet that I'm looking at section 430-289 [Music]
for this district and it says freestanding sign shall be permitted as follows. No freestanding or monument sign shall exceed 10 feet in height. The maximum width of any one side of the sign shall not exceed 15 ft. And such
signs shall not exceed 64 square ft in area. >> 64 >> 64 square ft in area. >> So you're you're good on that? >> Y >> such signs shall be set back 20 ft from the property line. Are you are you good on that one?
>> Is 20 or more? OTP >> 403 >> SP3. >> So you don't need to vary. So So you're good on that? >> And what one such sign shall be permitted? So you only have one. So you're good on that. >> So you It seems like you're good on the
monument sign. >> We thought so. >> I just I'm just not sure about the building signs. >> You think you need a you think you need a variance for the for the each tenants sign? >> Mr. Mr. Chasm on that. I thought what we
do is restrict the number of tenants and the signage for each tenant would not exceed three square feet. >> I think that's you think that well so so if there's a variance that's required that's the condition of the granting of
>> okay >> that eliminate the need for a variance altogether that's >> we're going to have to further resolution >> I'm just deferring to Mr. Ch that was a question for him not not a statement. I completely defer to him. We had on our
on the actual drawings where those signs are located. We had done uh I guess the math counts and for example it says maximum area of the building size 1.5 square ft per one foot of linear width
of building wall 1.5 * 100 = 150 square ft max but signage area is 76.66. >> Okay. So >> looks like we're okay on that also. >> Okay. So you think you're complying? >> Yep. >> Okay. and and very and the resolution it
approved can say that we will comply with the sign ordinance to municipalities. >> Okay, great. We don't have to deal with that. >> Should say we did compliance with >> the plans plans indicate they will they will comply and they shall comply.
Yeah. Would you explain the little I guess the landscape areas or walkway areas between the various um sections? How does that work?
Those little bump they're in the front of the building and the back of the building. >> Y >> I don't think your exhibit show it. This >> Well, yes. That that exhibit shows it. >> What are these things?
>> They're planting areas right now. >> And a walkway in between. >> Walkway in between. >> It's grass on either side of it, John. >> Is that what it is? Just grass? >> Yes. That's spot on and then basically a walkway to get to the front door. >> Okay. >> Mr. Coleman, your SS1 that you had up there before because you you caught my
attention when you said that the wall packed lights. I don't have that sheet. My SS1 is revised November 3rd and all it has is the freestanding sign. It doesn't have
>> you and you have revision uh one. You So this is 10 925 revision one. >> No, that's not in the package. I don't have that set. >> You have [Music] 12. I don't know if does the does the board
file have that set? >> I don't think so. >> I don't know. I don't believe that I submitted it. >> But you does anybody else? >> You should definitely mark it. >> Yeah. >> Make sure Norah has
>> Yeah, make sure Norah has it. >> That'll be 83. >> You got it. >> What's the date on it? >> Oh, you want the date of this? >> Yeah. The date of this is 10 925. >> Oh yeah, we don't have that. [Music]
>> Was that a whole package with provisions? >> Okay. [Music] >> Secretary. >> Yeah, sure. She give it to you. >> Yeah.
>> What? So, can you describe what's changed other than what Mr. Man was just pointed out, you know, >> that's the only thing that's changed. We had a comment letter asking us to go back and clarify. One of the other comments was, "How do people know when they come in the site which way to go?" And we actually showed arrows at the
sign that show people where to go. Property is a is a one-way traffic, so people come in, they'll see space 1, 2, 3. If they know they're in 15, they'll go behind. But we did put the arrows on that. And they asked us to give them the actual cut sheets for the for the lighting. We did get the other sheets
changed at all. No previously submitted. >> No. >> You have any other questions? Mr. Lmanowitz? >> Not not at this point, Madam Chair. Thank you. >> Board members, any questions of testimony given? See,
>> thank you. >> Thank you. Our next This is our traffic expert. >> Questions of the audience. See >> clients are next to witness engineer special.
[Music] >> Would you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth? >> I do. >> State your name. Spell your last name, please. >> My name is Lee. Middle initial D is Daniel Klein. K L E I N. I'm a professional engineer in the state of New Jersey. My license is current and
good standing. I'm also a nationally certified professional traffic operations engineer. I'm the principal of Klein Traffic Consulting from West Orange, New Jersey. I've been accepted as an expert in traffic engineering and parking analysis before well over 150 boards throughout New Jersey as well as
superior court in Bergen and Union County. >> Qualified. >> Thank you. Uh Mr. give the for the benefit of your observations and conclusion with respect to check traffic generation and impact of this project. >> Certainly, I prepared a uh traffic
engineering and parking evaluation report dated April 12th, 2024. And in that report, I calculated the trip generation um a couple of different ways. Uh we looked at the traditional Institute of Transportation Engineers uh
trip generation 11th edition under specialty contractor. Uh we know that today there are 36 total employees on the site and two single family homes. So in our trip generation table, table one on the back of the report, we generated
the trips during the weekday A.M. and weekday PM peak hour. That's 1 hour between 7 and 9 in the morning and 4 and 6 in the afternoon. Then we also looked at again specialty trade contractor with 38 employees. That's what's going to be
proposed of the site and again calculated that trip generation for the peak hours. Now this is a unique site in that uh the peak hours of the property of the users within the property are much earlier before the 7 to 9 a.m. peak
hour during the weekday. There tend to be between 4:30 in the morning and 5:30 in the morning when the employees will come in in their personal cars, park their car, take out their vehicle, and they're gone before the 7 a.m. uh peak periods begin. On their way back in the
afternoon, uh the peak hour tends to be between 2:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. And again, that's before the 4 to six typical uh peak hours of of the adjacent roadway. So when we looked at the trip generation
um with discussion with my client we looked at the number of trucks number of employees and and did the trip generation numbers for that and that's how we did the uh alternative trip generation calculations at the bottom of that table. So again we looked at the existing with 36 employees. We looked at
uh how the employees come in in their personal cars. In some cases two separate personal cars come in. those two employees get into one truck and they leave. So that's why there's 36 coming in and only 26 coming out during that early morning peak hour. Uh in the
afternoon when they're coming back, they're coming back in their work trucks and then they're getting into their personal vehicles. And that's why the number is a little bit higher because they're getting into separate personal vehicles to exit the site. And basically, as you heard earlier, we're not expanding particularly the use.
We're really cleaning it up, organizing it, and making it so that it's more uh aesthetically pleasing as well. So, that's why the gener the trip generation numbers are basically the same. Right now, we have two single family homes and 36 employees. In the future, we're going
to have 38 employees. So, again, it's not really a so much a traffic impact uh type of use. It's really just the parking. And let me get into the parking numbers now. So, again, we looked at [Music]
What she has the overall [Music] SP3 [Music] It is not. >> So I'm referring to SP3 as part of the
set that Mr. Petri admitted in New Orleans. And we look at this site. We have we quantified the number of parking spaces that we have. We've got 18 parking spaces in the front that face New Road. There are 14 garages, each
with their own parking spot, 14 driveways in front of the 14 garages for another 14 parking spaces. And then we've got the ability to park 14 vehicles towards the back, uh, three on the side, six in the back of the handicap, and then we've got the parking
inside the building. So, we've got a total of 61 parking spaces on site. And as you heard, I think Mr. teacher may have started to talk about it a little bit, but as I said earlier, uh an employee will come in in their personal car. They'll either park in front of the
the driveway or the neighbor's driveway, pull their car out, put their car possibly back in the drive into the garage, take their car out, and when the next employee comes, he'll park in the driveway. Or they'll be able to use the spaces in the front to be able to jockey their cars. They'll park their personal
vehicle, bring out their truck, put their personal vehicle inside, and then when they come back in the afternoon, they'll have the ability to jockey their cars as well. >> We're assuming it's just two employees for each spot. >> That's what we're we're averaging. We're particular. You know, it could be a
single plumber that just goes out by himself. It could be a plumber with a helper. And we're assuming they'll come in. >> It could be more than two or three people. >> Well, we're talking about one work truck and typically two. If there's like landscapers, the the landscape the foreman or or the chief would come in, he would pick up the vehicle and then
he'd probably pick up some of the other employees. >> If they had more than two vehicles, they're going to take one one unit. Got it. >> And so that would parking situation. So again, so from a practical standpoint, um we're looking at um
approximately 42 parking spaces that we think are required. We're looking at at based on the requirements, half a space per employee, which is like I said, 28 employees. Half a space is 14. 14 vehicles, one for each of the vehicles is 14 more. Then we've got nine dump
trucks for nine more. Nine employees again at a half is four and a half. The mechanic is a half. we have this up, we get 42 parking spaces required and as I had said before, we've got 61 parking spaces proposed on site. So, we exceed that. The as you heard a little bit
before about the office space, there's small office uh space for somebody to maybe do their paperwork afterwards or do scheduling beforehand. So, we don't think that's going to be an extra employee that'll be generated. It'll just be an area for that person to do some paperwork, some billing and scheduling.
[Music] C can you just reiterate how you got to what you believe to be are the required number of parking places? >> Certain. So 28 employees at half a space per employee is 14. Then there's 14 vehicles.
>> We've got 14 parking spaces each for that. >> Can I interrupt a second? Yeah. When you gave your testimony before, your client has how many employees? >> Two. Yeah, the mechanic >> there'll be two. >> I understood that you said something
like 346 36 >> total for the whole site. >> That's how you Okay. >> For the whole site, >> the client currently operating on this site has how many employees? >> It's it's I guess existing it's our client and then he rents out some of the
space in the yard for others. And we've added up there's 36. >> So some of those people may be in these in this new building and they may not. >> Correct. Yes. Yes. >> But your the 5,000 square foot building will be for your client exclusively. >> Correct.
>> And there are just two employees. >> Correct. It'll be the mechanic, I think, and one other. >> It'll be the mechanic will be the only employee on site all day long. >> Right. >> There'll be people who drive here in the morning to pick up the trucks that are going to be parked in the back here in these nine spaces, 10 spaces.
>> They're employees, >> correct? Who will leave there? who will leave their their personal vehicle there, take the trucks out for the day, come back at the end of the day and switch again to go home. >> So, they will not be there. There'll be one employee on >> how many are there of those?
>> There are six of those. >> Okay. So, you have two in the building and six that are taking equipment off the site. Correct. >> So, that's eight that we would add to the 32. That is the
>> that's included 36 all together. >> Okay. Cuz you've got you've got >> something I'm doing wrong here, John. >> Yeah. >> Well, that that was why I I mean I kind of went to some length because the calculations for the parking and the ordinance and how this all works. Part
of the issue here is that um you've got the garage area and that's supposed to be one space per 500. Then you've got industrial areas, one space for each two employees. So that's where I got another 19. Then you've got one space per each
manager. So if you have 14 units, it would seem you'd have 14 managers. And that's kind of why I added all this up like that because to be honest with you, it it seemed like an awful lot, but that seemed that's where the how I why I did that uh to show the numbers in. For
instance, just for the office space alone that is noted in the in the traffic report, there's 25 parking spaces required just for the office space. So, you know, and I and I guess that's why we're we're going through this trying to see how how all this parking
is going to work because somewhere in the application, and unfortunately I have the comment, but I didn't specify where it came from. It said that the apron areas of the larger building will not be used for parking or loading. And that doesn't seem to be what we just heard. It sounded like you said that
somebody might park outside on the Apoint. >> It's it's a driveway. We're talking about the driveways in front of each of the garage, >> right? >> And and and what he's saying he's going to it's they're going to be temporary just to shift and then when the cars when the trucks leave, the cars will
pull into the garage >> into the garage and not park out front if there's >> Okay, that that's not what I thought I heard. So that's why I'm saying it sounded like one the truck would come out, one car would go in, one car would be in front. >> Yeah. And it's parking in front of those cars.
>> Okay. I again I thought I heard that they were going to park in front of the door. So from I mean I don't want to testify but logically speaking if I'm a landscaper >> and I'm going out for the day. I don't want when I pull back my car blocking the entrance to my garage door cuz
that's going to make it do all that maneuvering to get back. But I thought that's what I heard. >> Okay. I think the intent is that the cars that will be left here during the day while the contractors leave will either be parked inside the building or in the front parking lots shown along
your road because logically they're not going to block their own overhead door when they come back. And that's the that's why they're in the garage. >> If they're in the garage, they're still going to have to maneuver anyway, >> right? But if they're in the garage, it's much easier because they have a
place to park. You understand? They're going to be able to shift. They won't be blocking one another. With the cars in the driveway, he's got no place to go. He's going to pull his car out of the driveway so he can pull his truck in, get everything out of the truck and then maneuver. He's not going to leave the
car in the driveway because then he's got no place to park his truck. When he comes back, he's going to need a place to park his truck. The only place for him to park the truck is going to be in the driveway because he can't trust that there's going to be any spaces. >> I'm I'm a little bit lost. If he parked
the If he comes back after a day of work and parks in the driveway, is he now blocking his car? >> But but to get his stuff out of his truck, >> put it in and shift. But but it's going to be the only place he's going to be able to park when he comes back. If he leaves his car in the driveway, when he
comes back with his truck, he's probably going to have no place to park the truck. term. >> He'd be more likely to use the spots >> available, but they could be filled up with take out. >> Don't you think there's just big speculation? We don't know what they're going to do.
>> Well, I think I think in their off Yeah. It's like you still haven't come up with the right number. >> They're all They're all going to come and they're going to shift their cars and do whatever they do and they're going to make >> you might drive by there in a perfect world and not see any cars. >> Correct. >> Right. I I guess the question is
>> how many parking spaces do >> you need a variance? Yeah, >> that's really the issue. How many parking spaces do we and it's really the ordinance is confounding in that regard and I don't >> because you don't and you don't know how many you'll need. The ordinance is is confusing maybe but you don't know in a
perfect world a a guy comes in a plumber. He pulls his truck out of the bay. He puts his car in and you don't see any cars. >> Perfect world. In winter you're doing that, >> right? In the winter you're definitely doing that, >> right? >> But Tom, when you concluded
adding up the different components, >> what did these number of spaces you arrived at? >> I come up to >> 94 94 >> and that includes >> it's 94 and that includes the credit for
the two EV spaces. >> Okay. and what they've explained in terms of what this use is. Do you think they have adequate parking or not? >> Well, to be honest, it's not really
clear. I mean, >> the garages are are >> It would appear 24. >> It would appear from my discipline that you've got parking spaces there regardless of how people come and go during the day.
>> Exactly. And there's no public going there. Correct. >> There's no danger to public. There's no inconvenience to public. These are all guys that are going to work, leaving from work. >> To me, you're going to figure it out. >> Yeah. Correct. I don't need to tell them what to do. >> You're not going to park along new road there.
>> Correct. Exactly. There's nothing to protect the public from it. >> I think we can move on from that. >> Okay. >> So, I think that's that's it for my direct testimony. >> I guess just a conclusion. Tom, your calculation said 90 spaces. They're
saying well flat this and that. Are you satisfied with the testimony that they don't need 90 spaces? >> You sure? I think for for what the building is, I think 90 spaces seems is a bit much. Um,
but again, without knowing how with so many tenants and so many potential nyxes, it's tough to tell what the actual number is. >> Well, just to go through your numbers, like we' said, the office area is not going to generate an additional employee. So, those 25 I believe should be dis
>> I think the board's going to make a conclusion on whether >> No, I'm just trying to Right. I'm just trying to make make the argument that the 25 for the office could be removed and the visitor the one visitor space for the 14 units I think that's also something that we're not expecting
visitors >> and there are 40 you it is correct there are 47 outside spaces correct >> on the plans >> correct we've got 18 got the 18 in the front we got nine in
the back plus the handicaps are 10 so we got 28 and then we've got in the driveways >> and and you know and again the office space came from from from the traffic report to 7518 square ft. So none of these tenants are going to have a bookkeeper someone answering the phones
during the day someone doing billing someone there's not going to be these buildings this building will be empty all day >> basically. Yeah. It wouldn't be an extra employee. Correct. That's correct. So, your request is a variance to permit 47 parking places.
>> Is that what your request is? I just want to make sure I understand what the resolution is going to say. >> Sir, didn't you say you had a total of 61 parking spaces? >> You're counting the inside ones, >> including the inside and the outside. >> All right.
>> That's not how the ordinance counts. >> That's fairly is not in the studio. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> Questions for this witness. >> We have 46 or 47. >> I have There's 18 in the front, right?
>> There's 10 in the back, >> right? >> And there are 16 inside each garage. So >> 18 and >> 44 >> 44 >> 44 >> So 44 outside parking spaces.
>> Correct. >> Well, or the parking space what are >> 18 of them >> 16 of them can be inside the garage. >> I use the word >> and then there are 28 surface spaces. >> Okay. >> 16 garage spaces to 28 surface spaces.
>> Okay. Do we have any other questions from the board of this witness and his testimony? >> No. >> Excuse me. >> Sorry. Just one more. Mr. Klein, did you do any any kind of gap analysis on New Road to determine if if these trailers that are going to be coming in and out
of this place can make it new road is again up at Route 46. It's five lanes. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Now, we we uh I went out and visited the site way back in December of 23 uh during the afternoon peak hour. Yes, it does back up both directions from 280 as
well as from 46 in some cases. U but the vehicles that's the when they're coming back in the morning they're leaving so early before the 7 a.m. rush that I believe that there should be an issue back. [Music] >> Did you review a comment I made in terms
of these vehicles turning out onto new road? Are you proposing to widen the road at all along the present property? >> No. >> Are you >> the number of trips is the same?
>> The configuration of the driveways. Can those vehicles stay in their lane if they go north from this site? >> I'm not sure I understand the question. I've got I'm coming out of the I have to
go out that driveway >> and I'm going to turn on a radius of what? >> 12 foot radius on this side. It's a It's a wide private plan. >> Can I get out and stay in my lane? >> I believe so. Cuz you got the 22 foot width. You can hug the left to make the
right turn. You can hug the right to make the left turn. >> And they're doing that today. [Music] Okay. >> Uh, with respect to the curbing, and maybe this might not be for you. Um, the
curbing seems to be established or the curb to curb width seems to be established coming from 46, but once it gets to this property, it kind of gets a little vague. Um, I'm I want to review with the township engineer again, but would there be an objection should it
come up um to maintain the curb to curb width? Correct. Right now, because right now it that it kind of meanders again. >> Who owns New Road? Is the town on New Road or is the county? >> It's a county. >> I think it's a county, is it?
>> I think it's a municipal road >> because it doesn't cross municipal boundaries. Is >> that the criteria? >> Generally speaking, yes. >> I looked it up and I couldn't find it on the list. You Not propo. You're not
proposing any improvements along that road? >> No. >> Other than the curb cut? >> Yeah. Other than the >> Right. Correct. >> Well, again, what I was just speaking of is to make the curbing consistent
from Route 46 through this site. >> The road narrows out in around this site, right, Tom? >> Yes, that's what I'm That's what I'm getting at. just to them. >> So why are they widening on their side >> to the south and narrows from two lanes
down to one >> cuz there's not currently curb in front of this building. Now >> it looks like it looks like the plane does show curving proposed. So, so the existing I'm sorry this is my training feature coming back.
>> Um there Mr. Lman is correct. There is no curbing along the existing frontage uh of this property. It's there's an edge of pavement there. Um we are showing the
a block curb along this frontage. Um and if what Mr. L manowitz is suggesting is that we pull that back so that we hold the curb to right ofway line width that's along the
adjacent property and I certainly wouldn't have an issue doing that >> just to maintain that width >> would that impact your potential landscaping in that area or it's not it's not >> well it's it's only what's within the
right of way so if Um, if you look at if if we look at SP3, cuz that's the sheet that has the most detail on it. >> Um, the curb from the right of way on the property to our north, the curb to
the right of way is only about 3 ft. >> Why don't we you are you willing to >> But I am willing to work with Mr. the manowitz and the burrow engineer or the township engineer >> to uh >> that's what's there >> to to come up with a curb alignment that
is satisfactory to both of those individuals. >> Does that mean you're going to put a curb in the ground? >> We are actually showing curb there now. But where it goes I think is what >> you said no. >> I didn't say no. >> So >> um >> Okay. But the I have no problem with
with placing that curb in in a location that is approved by the township engineer, the board engineer, or both engineers. >> Good. >> We we talked about pushing the building back 3 ft to get out of the bar to the front yard. Can we do that? We actually
talked about um eliminating the front yard setback and I think we can do that by reducing the depth of the aprons in the front or in the back. >> These are 30 foot deep aprons. So if we
made them 27t deep >> 30 foot deep. So if we made them 27 ft deep um they would still accommodate you know trucks. So, we got rid of the front yard bearings. >> And we could get rid of that front yard bearings. Yes.
>> You're welcome. >> Any other questions from the board of our traffic engineers report? >> No. >> Mr. Lmanowitz? >> No, Madam Chair. Thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Chadwick. >> That's fine. >> Okay. Is there anyone in the audience
that has questions of the testimony that has just been given? I see. Sir, >> we're going to bring back Mr. Pet treat for a third time. This time as a plan. >> Okay. >> And if you're tired of looking at him, tell him to cut it short.
>> Cut it short. >> Cut it short. >> Tired of looking. >> My wife says thank you. >> My wife doesn't. >> That's cuz she doesn't want to look at you. >> Okay. So, I think what we've established
at this time is that we need uh a D1 or D2 variance for the uh contractor's yard at this location or the expansion of the contractor's yard at this location. Um, and perhaps a Dvarian to accommodate
multiple users, multiple tenants at this location. I think it was it was offered that with multiple uses. I don't know that that is it, but we're going to we're going to talk about it that way. Um, we have eliminated we've agreed to eliminate the setback, the front parking
setback, uh, and meet the 15 ft minimum for the front property line. And we've had, I think, uh, a little bit of an endless discussion about what the parking need is, but we know that in the worst case scenario, as set forth in the GPI letter, the parking requirement
would be 94 spaces. And and we have um we have 46 spaces outside and whatever is considered parking within the building. Um, >> no, it's 44 and it was with the indoor base is how the last I heard
>> 44 spaces. There are 18 spaces. >> There are 44 spaces outside of the building if you count the aprons as a parking space. >> We're not going to double count the >> We're not going to double Well, >> we're not going to do that, >> right? For purposes of this application,
>> we have 44. >> That's fine. Okay. Okay. 44 or 47? >> 44. >> 44. Okay. >> 18 in the front, 10 in the back, and 16 garage. >> Gotcha.
>> Okay. I offer that the proposal that's before you this evening represents an opportunity to improve a condition that has long existed at this site. The removal of the two residential structures will bring the property closer to conformance with the zoning by
eliminating the most sensitive use from this otherwise industrial commercial zone. Additionally, it will take a use that's currently less desirable in terms of appearance. And while the applicant has gone to to great uh lengths to
screen that with evergreens has been cited before, it's still outdoor storage of materials and equipment and it's still not visually appealing. I think by placing that storage inside of the building, um we are going to improve the overall
condition of this property. In my opinion, the proposal that's before you advances several purposes of planning. First, it promotes the general welfare as it creates a well-defined site that incorporates strategic measures through
NJD to improve storm water quality and quantity and restores critical transition areas via uh new planting materials. Second, it provides adequate light, air,
and open space. The project represents a 7.26 building coverage and a 20.28 imperous coverage where 35% and 75% respectively are permitted within the zone.
Third, it provides sufficient space in an appropriate location for this use and given the surrounding uses that we see within the area that have been recently approved and/or recently constructed
one sheet. I think it's important to show the last sheet. It is the last figure four which is the last sheet of Mr. Putri submission. So, our project site is located right here. This is the 29 uh 199 to 219 new
road uh at 254 New Road. I'm sorry, 264 New Road, 239 Edwards Road, to 50 Edwards Road, and 86 Edwards Road. We have very very similar uses to what's being proposed
here. and and we took the opportunity to take drone photos of the area because I think what you're looking at I showed you our site before and these are the sites that are nearby this this last one
being under construction and what you see in these aerial photos is you see contractor vehicles obviously stored in the rear of the building you see large buildings that are being uh utilized for those that contractor after storage inside and and you see that these are
being most of these are being screened by the buildings themselves that are proposed. Um so I think from this perspective what we're asking for is uh is what I consider to be an appropriate location. an appropriate
location because of what is around it and because of the fact that this has historically been used as a contractor's yard. And so I think this is an appropriate location given those surrounding uses. Finally, I offer that the proposal represents a significant
improvement to the visual environment over what is already on the property. So there are four separate purposes of planning that I believe support this application. I believe that this site is particularly suited for this use because
it has historically been there and what we're asking to do is is to change it a little bit by allowing multiple tenants but contain it within structures. So I think that's an improvement. Um we only need to prove that we advance one purpose of planning. I think that that
we can easily say that we're supported by at least four. When I look at the negative impact, I look at the potential impact on the public good. I start with the fact that the project in my opinion promotes the public good. As as such, I don't see a
detrimental impact to the public good. We talked about parking. We talked about a parking variance. We talked about what are the impacts of a parking variance. If someone can't find parking on site, where are they going to be? Well, they're going to park in the street. Except you can't park on New Road in the street.
>> You're going to make this short, right? I'm going to make this short. So, in my opinion, placing the stored materials inside the building is an improvement to the overall condition. The a defined area that incorporates environmentally appropriate improvements can only work
to the advantage of the public good in this area. With regards to the intended purpose of the zone, plan, and zoning ordinance, the immediate area is home to a transfer station and a series of other similar uses. What we're proposing is actually in keeping with the recent
development patterns which include several sites within this neighborhood. As such, it is my opinion that the proposed improvements do not st substantially impair the intent and purpose of the zone plan and zoning ordinance. Therefore, I believe that the project meets both the positive criteria
and the board is within the law to approve the variances that we are requesting this evening. And that's all I have to offer. >> I have no further. >> Very good. Do you have any questions from the board of the testimony? Just >> no. Any any >> anyone in the short
>> anyone in the audience have questions of this >> witness and his testimony? I see it. Would someone like to frame? >> What do we do? Why don't we go through the what has been offered and agreed to? >> So, this is what I've got. >> Okay.
>> The um Mr. The Neto use is only going to work on his own vehicle. Overnight storage is only for Netto vehicles. Um, >> exterior overnight storage. >> Exterior overnight storage only for Netto vehicles. The lights will be
dimmed to security level at dusk. >> End of business day. End of business day. I mean, you know, if it's a snow day and you got landscapers and they're out plowing all night, >> you're going to have to leave you're going to have to leave the lights on a little higher than you otherwise would. Of course, understood business days.
>> You're going to enhance the landscaping along New Road in conjunction with the town forester. You're going to revise the um lawming on New Road as suggested by Mr. Lemanowitz.
What else have I got? >> Well, wasn't that explained that these lights >> the issue the issue with the lighting? The issue with the lighting was explained by the architect, but he's had I have not reviewed the plans that he speaking of yet. >> We'll work with Mr. Monos on the
lighting and make it satisfactory to reasonable condition. >> Right. You've revised you're going to revise the plans to um to no longer need the variance for parking in the front yard and uh none of the tenants are going to work on their vehicles outside.
>> I thought we were going to drop the polls from 25 to 20. Drop the pole. >> Right. Light pole. Maximum mounting height will be 20 ft. >> Yeah. >> And we're going to work out the curb location on new road. >> Curb on new road.
>> Understand that the 20 foot light mold may require an additional >> and you're also moving 3 ft, >> right? I think he said that. >> Mr. Johnson, don't forget Mr. Manowitz's letter because he had a series of
engineering concerns that we agreed to address. >> That's a standard condition paragraph in the in the resolution. >> So, I'll just keep that one. I'm feeling your own. I'm >> just just trying to help out. >> Yeah. No, I appreciate it. >> I think I think that's it, right?
>> Okay. >> One of our board members like to frame a resolution, please. >> Sure. I think it's a great case. I think you're taking a rundown kind of dilapidated use. You have the same use, but you're making it look better. Uh I
think the business idea is great because you might actually be taking some of these vehicles off local roads that they now have a place to go in town and and park their equipment. I think you've addressed >> Actually, sorry to interrupt, but you approved a variance application for a
contractor to park his truck in his driveway a few months ago. >> Oh. Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I I think it's a great application and I will definitely be voting for it. And what are we voting for to for you to
draft resolutions presented to us by Mr. Johnson? >> Well, the the variances are you don't need any C's now. You just need the D's. >> We need parking. >> Oh, the parking. You need the parking C. Okay. And the and the use variances
>> D1 and D2 just like D1 and D2. >> Okay. So we able to say application 22 col 4519 new road LLC and 219 New Road LLC 199-29 new road block 770 lots 4 and 5
zone LIW-2 is a preliminary final site plan with CND variances as Mr. Johnson has said to to construct two warehouses. Is that framed well enough? >> That's framed well enough. >> Okay. >> Second.
>> Burke Woods. >> Yes. >> Josh Woods. >> Yes. >> Eddie. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Will. >> Yes. >> Byani. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. Thank you. >> A long road. I appreciate your patience and understanding. >> Thank you. >> Motion to adjourn.
>> Oh, motion to adjourn. All >> in favor? I >> uh if there's exhibits there >> we don't need [Music] >> a good night. >> It does. I'm going to say anything.
Why is it?