[Music] Okay. >> Good evening and welcome to the meeting of the Township of Parcanany Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. Today is Wednesday, September 24th, 2025 and it's 7:30 p.m. Announcement is made that adequate
notice of this meeting has been given and that is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104- set of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. >> Please stand. I'm sorry. Roll call, please.
>> Mr. Burkowitz, >> here. >> Mr. Crows, >> here. >> Mr. Masarella >> here. >> Mr. Revy, >> present. >> Mr. Willings >> here. >> Chairman, Greg, Chairwoman, Gregani, >> present. >> Uh, we have our board planner, Mr. Chadwick, >> present.
>> Our board engineer, Mr. Lmanowitz, and our board attorney, Mr. Johnson, >> here. >> Could you please stand and join with us the pledge of allegiance? stand to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Mr. Chairman, you swear affirm that the testimony any testimony that you just truth the whole truth.
>> Yes. >> Do you swear that any testimony tonight should be the truth? The whole truth about >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on something other than is on our agenda this evening? I see none.
>> No correspondence, please. >> We have two pieces of correspondence. Uh one uh from attorney Joseph O'Neal dated September 19, 2025 requesting an approval of um an an
extension of approval um for application 2204 for a period of one year from October 28th, 2025 to October 28th, 2026. >> A year. >> Yes. We have a vote motion please.
>> Move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All against you allowed to extend for a year. >> Okay. [Music] >> Okay. >> We might not be question. Okay. And then we have
>> You're done. >> Good night. >> Yeah. Good night, councelor. >> We also have correspondence uh received from Amanda Wolf. uh Espire request an application 2417 to be carried from September 24, 2025 to January 14, 2026
with notice and grant the board an extension of time to make decision on the case through January 31st, 2026. >> Motion moved second. >> Everyone in favor
>> against >> Okay. And we do have some resolutions. Uh the first one we'll do separate. Um those who can vote are Burkowitz, Maserella, Ready, and Willins. Application 2522. Decide. Can I have a
motion, please? >> Some moved. >> Second. Burgit. >> Yes. >> Mozzarella. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Willings. And then the other two uh resolutions we can do together. Um people those who can
vote are burowitz gross readyins and grani application 2530 atel and 2526. Can I have a motion please? >> Second.
>> Burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Dro >> yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Will >> yes. Genani. >> Yes. Application 2533. Suzanne Mccclaclin, 81 Ncomomas Avenue,
block 520, lot 3, zone R4, a C variance to install a shed contrary to section 430-10, C. side and rear yards section 430-10 I and section 430-35
column 10 for block list. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? >> Yes, sir. >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Great. State your name, spell your last name, please. >> Suzanne McGloin. >> Make sure you use the microphone.
>> Suzanne Mcloin. M C L A U G H L I N. >> Great. uh tell the board what it is that you'd like to do. >> I would like to install a shed uh against well within about a foot of the fence in the corner of my lot which would be closer to the edge of my
property line than 6 ft. Uh because if I put it 6 ft away from the edge, it would be in the middle of my backyard. I would like it not to be. >> Your plan says it's going to be 3 feet. >> Yes. From each you said a foot. That's >> well that's within but the the fence uh
but not the property I will be moving I think it is just sorry pulling up the drive that I've got right >> so it it will be 3 ft off the property >> which the the fence is I think 2 ft in >> okay >> it's not going to be an issue
>> I just want to go between the corner >> is there any landscaping along the back of the side of your property >> uh >> hedges is something like that. >> The neighbors have a retaining wall that's on their side of the >> behind you.
>> Behind me? Yes. And then on the side of my house is the parking lot with beads. >> A parking lot. And there's some beads. >> Okay. >> That that retaining wall behind you is 1t high, 10 ft high.
>> Oh, I I don't know the exact measurement. I would say 3 ft high. Okay. All right. >> Well done. It's it's wide enough that you can walk behind the fence. [Music] >> There any questions from the board? >> Mr. Mccclofflin, just going back to your
dimensioning. You said that the fence is 2 feet off the property line. >> I I don't know exactly. I think that's what it was. It's been about a few years since I had it installed. >> Okay. Cuz the survey you have >> Okay. The survey you have is since 2017. When was the fence installed?
>> The fence was installed last summer. Okay. So, this this survey does not show the current location of the fence that you're speaking of. >> The it was a replacement fence. >> Okay. Cuz the survey shows the fence to be on the line, not 2 ft away from it.
>> If you go to the back right corner, it says CLF online. That means chain link fence online. >> There. >> You're saying it was put where the old fence was. >> Yes. But there wasn't a chain link fence. It was a wooden fence. Chain >> That's fine. What I'm saying is you said
it was 2 feet off the line and the survey says it's on the line. >> I'm going I I might I might have the wrong um marker. I I think I found the spike, >> but I I if this is what the service is, then it's I would go with what the service is. >> Okay. Just there just have to establish
what the distance from the property line is. >> And this I think 3 ft is dimminimous in nature. It still looks the drawing though. You could move it >> a little closer to the house in the yard a little bit more. No. The other problem is that we put in a uh
a French drain so that that would to to handle water coming in from the parking lot that's next to us and behind us. >> Okay. >> And I don't want to block the the the drain opening. >> No, I'm sure sure you're not. And the French drain is located where? >> The French drain is located if I may. Can I
>> Sure. >> Sure. >> Cuz it's not showed on survey at all. >> Sorry. I >> Okay, that's all right. It would be the French drain starts here and it goes about like here and then it bends down to this way. >> So it comes like >> So if you move it in or over, it's going
to scant. >> So if you're looking at your survey, the French drain starts in the upper leftand corner of your property. Is that right? >> Upper left hand corner. Yes. It goes >> diagonally across >> a 45 degree angle is diagonally across >> and then it goes down along the side of
the house to join up with a a storm drain that's up by the front of the property front right corner of the house. >> Great. Thank you. >> That's the reason for 3 ft. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So I I think it's fairly dimminimous request by the front drain and I'll be in favor. >> Just one quick question. Is there is
there a slab there or are you putting a slab down or you just putting a shed right on a grass? >> I'm putting the shed on under the gravel. >> Okay. Good question. >> Are there any other questions from the board? >> Would someone like to frame a resolution, please?
>> Oh, excuse me. Any questions from the audience on this application and this this testimony only? Application 25 33 >> Suzanne Mloin 81 Nocomi Avenue block 520
lot number three zone R-4 to issue or grant a C variance to con to install shed contract to section 430-10 C uh side and areas as discussed
and section 430-10 I and section 430-35 column Okay. >> Second. >> Burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Cro. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Willings. >> Yes. >> Byani.
>> Yes. You will be hearing from the uh zoning board and at that time you can come into the office and uh apply for your applications. >> Thank you so very much. >> Enjoy the shed. >> Absolutely. Thank you. Have a lovely look at me. Do
>> the same. I have an extra copy of this. >> Okay. No. Application 25 col 36 kadik 37 komet block 533 lot 7 zone R4 a
C variance to construct slashlegalize a shed proposed on existing concrete pad legalize patio proposed contrary to section 430-10 C shed and side and rear section
430 30-35 column 10 and section 43035 I'm sorry section 43035 column 13 >> sir >> can you raise your right hand please >> are you both if you're both going to
testify then both raise your right hand you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be in the truth we said nothing >> um state your name start with you sir >> my name is Sim >> and how do you spell Your last name >> uh P E A L I E.
>> Great. And you, sir? >> My name is Pavin Gandhi. I'm an uh brother-in-law. >> Okay. >> Okay. Why don't you tell the board what it is that you'd like to do? >> May I go? >> Sure. >> What's your relationship to the application? >> Brother,
>> mother-in-law. Okay. Do you live in the same house? >> No. >> Okay. But you're here on his behalf to help him with the application. uh on helping him out with the conversation as he doesn't know >> the never dealt with the board before.
Okay. So just helping him out with the application. It's uh pretty much the same application we had like uh moment but similar shade construction. >> Would you pull the microphone please? >> Uh they they're planning to put a shade on their property
>> to help with the gardening equipment and other stuff. Do you know if he has seen this letter from the township engineer? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um do you know if he has talked to anyone about what measures might be
required to satisfy the township engineer? >> Yes. uh he spoke through he has applied for the zoning permit for the shade construction uh because uh they are having uh it's on the back side of their property and the
variance uh they requested is uh to put the shed in the property close to the property line about 1 and 1/2 ft they put a they a concrete pad and putting a vinyl sh on top of it >> Mr. Gandhi, can you pull out little?
Yeah. >> So my question though was do has anyone talked to either the the municipal engineer or anyone else about what storm water management measures might be required?
>> Uh I haven't seen that later but uh I'll check with uh just comment [Music] It's a a letter dated >> yes
2025. >> Do you have that letter? >> Yes. >> In short uh you know the design and details of the storm water management measures must be provided to this office for review and approval.
>> Okay. >> Have you applied for any storm water management plan? >> No. then then that's what this requests of you to do before you proceed. >> Okay. >> If you proceed and don't do that and then it costs a lot of money to
>> No, no, we understand that. Uh I just uh was requesting the similar approval uh like the application just before the variance. >> Yeah, but that's two different two different situations, >> right? Two different situations is
right. You know, you you have a patio here as well that is not you're asking for it to be legalized. >> No, the uh I >> May I show you the certified survey when he bought the property? >> That survey doesn't make something
legal. >> Yeah. >> No. >> If if it was never approved, >> it was never approved. >> Approved. Then just the fact that he bought the property, it was there >> doesn't make it legal, >> right? >> We understand that. The the issue you're
missing is the board is concerned that >> you say subject to the town engineer. The town engineer comes up with a uh requirement that is >> thousands of dollars for you know just
>> something that just you can't handle doesn't make sense. You're you're wasting your time here and you're wasting the board's time. So, I think it's important that you meet with the engineer, find out that it's just a simple little dry well that isn't going
to be that expensive or it's a a pipe taking storm water out to the street, whatever it might be. And postpone this meeting and just carry it to a I don't know what date.
We can carry to uh November 5th at 700 p.m. >> All right. >> And it would be wise for your talk to the >> engineers. >> Because we need a report from him saying what you're going to do
>> as opposed to right now he's saying you better come and talk to me and find out what what the problem is. >> So like November 5th is like 5 weeks from now. >> Five weeks from now. So do you think it is
>> feasible for you to get the we'll set up a meeting with town engineer and >> get the storm water issue resolved >> as uh proposed I just want to mention to the board the area where we are proposing the board was previously completely disturbed and it wasn't like
a lone or like a vegetated area. It was uh completely disturbed area. on the survey you can see the stone uh like laying around with the all like a disturbed land and waste material out sitting out there for years. So all the
whole purpose is for them to uh finally use their property and the backyard in a proper way. So instead of looking at like the years of the construction debris and other stuff piled over the years before they bought the property on
that location, they just wanted to clean up, put some loan and put a shade so the same location. So most likely the storm water impact looking may be very much difficult because he not changing the cover type. In fact, he's improving the
cover. He put the loan there. She put like uh little written walls and put them on and clean and cut off. >> We understand that. >> You should take pictures of what you just described to the engineer when he's there, >> right?
>> Because that may have a big um >> factor in terms of what he would require. >> Just just so I'm reading this right too. So there's a concrete pad there that's not legalized as well. Uh that's why
it's a confusion because uh when we he bought the property like 2020 from a builder it was a redevelopment project in the town. So it was our assumption that builder who built it went through the >> not a good assumption.
>> Yeah but I'm just asking that's got to be legalized. >> It was approved by the town because we bought the new construction house. So okay it might not doesn't mean it was approved by the town. They could have put that in anyway. So that was the assumption as a home buyer for them. >> But we've we've suggested that you speak
with the engineering department and we've carried the application to November the 5th at 700 p.m. Not 7:30 7 p.m. >> So we'll see you special meeting just for you. I really appreciate board's recommendation every one of you
and really to serve you. >> So you need a motion. May I have a motion, please? >> Second. >> Laura. >> Burkewood. >> Excuse me. Yes. >> Dro, >> yes.
>> Masarella, >> yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Willins. >> Yes. >> Griani. >> Yes. [Music] >> Okay. >> Yeah. Get that meeting with the engineer as soon as you can. >> Application 2542.
Franciscan sister. What happened to your house? >> Excuse me, >> Muhammad. >> A um >> that's off. >> That's off. Yes. >> Application 25 col42 Franciscan Sister of St. El
499 Park Road 166 lots 135.1 preliminary and final major site plan major soil moving permits. Hey, Madam Chairman, members of the board. Uh my name is William Straer,
Strasser Associates, appearing on behalf of the Franciscan Sisters of St. Elizabeth, Inc. Uh Madam Chairman, members of the board, this is an application uh regarding 499 Park Road. Uh the site which the sisters own is
approximately 25 acres. They currently operate a religious school on the premises. The school in the common is used for religious purposes. So as your planner has pointed out, we have an inherently beneficial use on the site
which the sisters are located on. The application mainly directs itself to the removal of two trailers. Back in the early 2000s when construction was running high and the economic market was not good, the sisters purchased and we came before this board to get permission
to install two trailers to be utilized as classrooms to the rear of the existing school which is on basically the east side of property. Those trailers we came in and we had those modified to permanent structure. There
was a base put in. Basically though trailers were temporary. the the construction was light. The environmental issues relating to the trailers was not good. And as a result over the years, the trailers have been there. They are basically have been increased in value in terms of
economically and also environmentally. As a result, the sisters have made this application to remove those trailers, demolish them, and construct a twostory classroom building consisting of six classrooms on the site. uh which would
be an addition and connected to the existing school building. The building itself, there'll be 26 students in each of those six classrooms for a total of 156 in the new building. Right now, the sisters have no plans. We'll heard
testimony from Sister Alice, who's the principal. There's 303 students who are currently enrolled at the school. Uh, one very important point which was pointed out by your engineer, we will have no, and you'll hear this testimony,
we'll have no students in the cafeteria, the all-purpose room, or the library. Currently, because of the shortage of space, there are students in the cafeteria area. Those students will be removed. Those areas will not be
utilized for purposes of instruction or any type of classrooms under the state regulations of 35 square feet per child. The school will once these classroom buildings are built will maximize 372 students which is basically
controlled by the state. That transmits into a requirement of 75 parking spaces. You'll hear testimony from our engineer that there are currently 105 parking spaces on site. We do have an overabundance of parking spaces. In
terms of the application, I have with me our our engineer, Mr. Bill Scott, who has been in touch with uh your engineer, and I'm right now I'd like to present uh Sister Alice, who's the principal of the school, for some brief presentation as he give you a background and what's
going on at the site at this current time. 26. >> Do you swear or affirms that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Thank you. [Music]
>> Stay close to that, but can you tell me what your position is at the Franciscan Sisters of St. Elizabeth and also at St. St. Elizabeth Nursery in the Montasauri school. >> I am a I'm a member of the Franciscan Sisters of St. Elizabeth and I'm the
principal of St. Elizabeth school. >> Now with regard to the school, can you tell us what goes on and what's the curriculum at the school very briefly? >> We have Montasuri and traditional classrooms there 2 and 1/2 years old to sixth grade students we are educating
every day. And can you tell us and you heard the introduction is it the purpose of your application by the sisters to remove the existing thrillers which are serving as classrooms in the back of the building? >> Yes, that is correct. >> Okay. And you understand also that the
plan that's been proposed is a two-story building with six classrooms in >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. Now, could you tell me how many students are currently enrolled at the school? Um right now we have 303 students >> and sister you're aware that the requirement for the state is in
classrooms it's 35 square feet yes per child. Is that correct? >> It it is correct. >> So in the event that this application were granted there will be a total community of classroom space there be if there are 372 students there be a total ofund of 75 spaces parking spaces that
would be required. Is that right? >> Yes. And with regard to the parking on the site, has there ever been a parking issue for any of the parents dropping off their children? Could you very frequently describe how the parents drop their children off? >> The parents come in through the front side of the school and they have upper
parking lot and the staff has the parking lot behind the school. Parents have they go up the hill and they have parking lot left side of the um property. And there are in a parking
parking spaces. So we have no problem. >> And sister, you heard my introduction. Right now there are currently students in the cafeteria space for classroom. Is that correct? >> That is correct. >> Can you tell me if this application were granted? Are those students going to
move to the classroom in the new building? >> Yes, that's our plan right now. Yes. And if the application is granted, will any classes, educational classes, will they be held in any other of the uh classroom in will they be held
in the cafeteria, the allpurpose room or the library? >> No. Library has library going on classes, but um cafeteria and the multi-purpose room will not have passes. >> Question. I have a question. Um, sister,
the um portable classrooms, there's two. >> Yes. >> Um, are they being utilized now? >> Well, once in a while the we go um when we have the breakout session, once in a while we go and use it, but we don't have it. It's just
>> So, so that's why you're using the cafeteria and the allpurpose room. >> We already moved the students from there. Um so that if the plan approach we can you know start so yes that's why we are using
>> is there is there any specific reason you're not using the trailers that are there now they decrepit or is there falling apart >> not that bad but we want to make sure because the school started already so we don't want the changes in between >> um in the middle of the school age so we
said from the beginning let's move okay >> so that it hasn't he disturbed the education of the students. >> Thank you. Just for the record, the once uh if you go through with this project, is it the intent to remove the trailers from the property? >> Yes.
>> Okay. So, they'll be totally demolished because the new building is where the trailers are currently located. >> I don't know if you plan on putting them somewhere else on the property. >> No, they'll be gone. They're they're not in good shape. We got a good deal on them back in the early 2000s. There only
35,000 trips. Okay. >> Any additional questions from the board? >> Yeah. >> Okay. You know what? Just so I'm clear, the um with this new building, the maximum number of students will be 372, right? >> 372 based on the square footage of the
classroom and that's the state requirements of 35 square ft per child. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> That's the whole thing. >> That's the whole thing, including 156 which are permitted in the new building. >> Mhm. And that doesn't have anything to do with the cafeteria or
>> not use this classroom. We wouldn't we wouldn't be able to use it. If we did, we have to come back. [Music] >> Any other questions from the board? >> Any questions? >> I just can I just ask does that satisfy at least in part your
4A comment in your report? >> Yes, with respect to with respect to the parking that uh that that'll cover it. >> Okay. Is is there any intent to clear any of the wooded areas on the property or you going to build right on the footprint
for the where the trailers are? Mr. >> Chad, look, I think our engineer could speak to that. I the initial answer to that from what I'm very aware of the property, no, because there's a drop wall. >> It didn't look like it was going to, but I just >> Mr. Mr. Scott will address that.
[Music] Are there any other questions from sister in the audience? I see none. Hear none. >> If they ask a question, we got a problem. >> Yes, >> sir. >> Sister, thank you. >> Thank Thank you. >> Thank you so much.
>> Madam Chair, the uh Mr. Scott, you >> swear to affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. Say your name. Spell your last name, please. William Scott ST >> and you can sit or you can if you want
to if you're going to use your >> I'm gonna try to stand as long as you can hear me. >> Sure. And take the microphone with you. >> Mr. Scott, what is your occupation, please? >> Uh I am a professional engineer in the state of New Jersey. >> And how long you been so licensed in the state of New Jersey? >> Uh 21 years.
>> And have you appeared before numerous planning boards and and board of adjustments the course of your practice? >> Yeah, several dozen throughout central New Jersey. and I've appeared before uh the zoning board of course at me on two prior occasions. >> Disqualified. >> Thank you, sir.
>> Uh Scott, can you please just briefly describe the application that is report before the board at this time? >> Sure. I think it would be helpful if you have our site plan uh set if you turn to sheet three,
which I'll bring up for you. Sheet three is a um topographic survey of a portion of the site centered around the existing building uh the school close to Park Road. Uh and what I've done is I've superimposed the footprint of the proposed addition in green over
the existing conditions. So you can see the the scope uh and scale of what we're doing and how it fits into uh what exists out there. Now uh you'll see the the trailers here basically centered on the middle of the
footprint of the addition. Um everything you see in green is proposed building. Um you'll see a dimension of 20 uh 285 ft to the property line from from
that area. [Music] And then I'll just ask you to change to sheet number five if you could. And this is a a blowup of the project. The orientation has changed. So now
you're you're looking at the proposed addition on the left side of the plan. The existing school is to the bottom of the plan. To the uh right of the plan is the existing parking lot which we are proposing to uh reconstruct. Uh we're
proposing to provide uh proper uh pedestrian access ad ADA access uh striping. Uh the proposed addition was located by the architect. Uh the main driver of the location was to match the existing
corridor which one runs down the center of the school. So within each floor of the addition, you can open two doors and the children would have access if they needed to immediately get to the front of the building. The basement floor matches the ground
floor and the first floor matches the first floor of the existing structure. So there's no steps which will interrupt the flow uh between the structures. Uh we're proposing some site lighting uh centered on an island in the middle of the parking lot to provide proper down
lighting. >> There's none there now. >> There is uh a light there now. It doesn't properly light the parking lot. Um oh >> that be a nice improvement. >> Yes. This is a down lighting LED. um
dark sky compliant. I'm not >> And there's no neighbor fact anyway, >> not within over 250 ft. Uh we're providing a storm uh storm water ma um management system to the rear of
the building. Uh what we're going to do is provide uh buried uh 36-in piping within stone beds which will receive the roof drains from the addition and these will be sized uh to accommodate the requirements of
the major storm water management um requirements from the state. >> You're not looking for any variances here on that anyway, right? >> Not for storm water. No. Uh we have several access points which will allow
the pe the students to leave uh from the lower level here. They can come on sidewalk back around uh to the play area. And then we have access from the parking lot
to either the first floor of the addition or the first floor of the exist existing school. So in in a nutshell, it's very briefly what we're proposing. Uh the overall addition footprint is just over 4,800
square ft. Um Mr. Scott, can you just ch >> Oh, I'm sorry. Of course. removing any trees to the year.
>> Yeah. So, so just behind the trailers now there's a boulder wall that exists. Uh what we're proposing is to basically shift that boulder wall towards towards the wooded area about 10 to 15 ft. Uh we need to do that to provide enough room
for our storm water management since that's the lowest uh area we have to bring the water towards. So, we will be taking down in the area of 8 to 10 trees. >> There'll still be a substantial wooded area, correct?
>> Yes. I also am proposing uh some evergreen trees along the back of the building as well. >> Okay. So, replace some of the ones you're taking out. >> Yeah. I have uh two Norway spruce trees to the rear which over time should provide some screening. Um and between
the parking lot and the building we have some arborvite and deciduous trees. >> Can you see those trailers from the outside now? >> Maybe. >> I mean depends on time of year. >> Yeah.
>> From what point of the outside they're they're in the back and it's >> Yeah. Okay. >> And the the elevation is much higher. The >> the next house which uh Mr. got testified to it's 285 ft but and it's a lower the elevation is much higher than
the adjoining house. >> So this this structure again the the we're matching the lower level of the existing school. So we're actually going to excavate down okay >> for the addition. So it won't be two stories up above >> and the two stories are within the
zoning requirements. No elevation issues on the height. >> Uh there was a >> there was a request for clarity on that from Mr. Lmanowitz. Um, >> and what was the clarity? >> The clarity is that I believe uh we're going to be compliant. Our building
height should be about 32 1/2 ft. >> Good. >> So, the bottom line is you're not asking for a variance or height. >> No. >> Just a note on that is that the uh the architect shows the the height to the peak and the height supposed to be to
the midpoint. So, it did they just didn't speak to one another, but it it looks like it's compliant, but it just I wanted just to make sure that that the plan spoke to each other and that everything agreed to show that. >> Yeah, we would certainly have the architect's plan revised to have that
dimension and I did I went into his CAD file and measured that exactly. So, I'm very confident about that number. Good. >> And how long is it going to take to build that? >> The sisters are listening, by the way. Luckily, construction is not my
department. >> About 8 months to 10 months. >> So, right now, right now, all of the students are squeezed into the current existing school. Okay. And they will be staying in there while this is being built. Right. >> Right. >> Okay. And then when that's built, they
can filter out and get out of the cafeteria and the gathering room. Is that fine? Okay. >> Yeah. And we've designed the addition to allow for that so it can be separated from the school very easily during the construction. >> Okay, that's where I was going. >> That that's why I asked about the portable classrooms. Were they being
utilized now because >> during construction they'll all be within the cafeteria and the >> they're all in there now as I understand it. >> She said on occasion she uses it. >> Anticipated that you would get the application moving along faster.
meters a couple of times now, but >> it transition the kids over, but >> children be very happy coming out of the trailer. >> Yeah, I think I'm sure especially in the winter. Yeah, >> excuse me. I think sister would like to >> see >> sister would like to just ask you're
going to roll sister so just remember >> act actually what did we brought the children um we have another building the villa so that was used as a half day and we weren't using it so a group of
students we have there so the children are not squeezed in they are they have enough room >> so but they're there until the addition Yes, the the early childhood class we moved to the villa. >> Mhm. >> And the elementary who was using the
portable so they are using the early childhood's classroom and cafeteria. So they >> have no >> Thank you. >> Um M Mr. Scott, on your zoning requirement table on the front page of
your plans, you've got a number of permit. You've got a variance request for number of permitted principal uses. Can you explain is that and I'm also referencing 4A of
Mr. Lmanowitz's report because it's my understanding based upon Mr. amendments report that this is a conditional conditionally approved use as long as there's enough parking. Is that >> Well, I thought it was testified that
there's no parking issue. I I I just I I just want to drill down on to make sure that there's no use variance that you're requesting because that's what >> I think what it was was a it was a the expansion of a a nonconforming use where
two uses and this is >> pre-existing non-conforming and that's why we publish for that. >> Understood. So you're not requesting a use variance? >> Not requesting just expansion non-conforming. That's all. >> Understood. And it's >> the use is not changing the property,
>> right? And it complies for the use as a conditional use as a school because the parking is adequate. >> Well, that's why I put in that I consider this inherently beneficial because the burden then shifts to for you to show that there's no substantial
impact. And I think your testimony has dealt with that. So I would I would say you put a testimony in for use fairies for expansion knock on you. >> Great. >> And you don't and you don't see any issues with that. Correct.
>> No. >> Got it. >> Mr. Scott, just in your professional opinion, do you any you see any substantial impact to the joint property owners or the adjoining properties if this application were granted? I I don't and I do see an actual benefit by the installation of the uh enhanced storm
water system. >> Any other questions from the board? Are there any questions from the audience of Mr. Scott's testimony only? >> I see. >> Madam Chair only, can I just ask Mr. Lman another question, please? I'm sorry. >> Um Mr. amendments. In your report, you
indicated some concern with respect to the aisle width. >> Yeah, there's a few items that since the letter was written, Mr. Scott and I have talked um and uh he exchanged some some or some revisions uh to see if they
would satisfy the comments and basically uh the comments that I had can be satisfied and showed that they can be. It's not made into a uh a formal plan yet. Uh but it I I I'm confident that they can address he's going to address
that aisle width issue. Um also the drainage has some issues that have to be addressed. This is a major development which the reason it's a major development is because the or the regulations state that if you disturb more than an acre cumulatively since
February of 2004 that you become a major development. So because of prior projects on the property, uh this is now it it triggers a major which is why we have to go to a little more um extensive uh storm water
management system and uh Mr. Scott has has has done a first draft of uh a comp a compliant storm water management system. Um it looks like we'll be able to trim that down a little bit. So what I'm what I'm seeing now what what Mr.
Scott has shown me seems to be a little bit more than what's required and it still fits. So uh if the board is so inclined to uh approve this application, I would have no issue with a condition simply being that uh the applicant
resolve the out any outstanding drainage issues with myself. Um and uh rather than come back for information that uh about drainage, which puts most people to sleep when we talk about it anyway. Okay. >> Sounds good. >> Do you have the same opinion with
respect to the parking area interior driveway issue that you referenced in your report? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, it may not it may be that a variance isn't needed pursuant to 4 B and C in your report. Is that accurate or
>> 4 B and C? Correct. Those have been uh those I don't believe those are going to be required. >> Okay. I just want to make sure I got I capture all the variances that are being requested. >> Yeah. The only thing we haven't touched on yet is the height of the fences and the walls and such.
>> So those are still new variances, right? >> Yeah. ENF. >> Yeah. Okay. >> The other issue also is it's it's pre-existing. It's been there is the playground in the front. It's on the street and it's a it's a non-conforming. It was approved years
ago by this board. That's the playground which is right on right off Park Road. >> So that was previously approved. >> It was previously approved. Yes. On the site plan the application when we did build the school back in 2001 that was before this board. >> Gotcha. So we don't need to deal with it now.
>> The existing non-conforming we did list it as a just a continuation continuation of the legal non-conforming use. >> Okay. So, the only variances are the ones referenced in sections 4E and 4F of Mr. Leman's
report. Is that accurate or do you need any other variances? [Music] >> Well, it's the expansion of the non-conformance, >> right? That Yep. So in terms of like bulk variances,
that's all you need are those two. >> Yeah. The uh board E is the uh fences and walls maximum height because of the elevations. The proposal plan is the wall height is 13 ft. Because of that,
as Mr. Scott described there has to be a uh uh the excavation down to match the the actual grade and the retennial F is attenu 6 ft in height or to be tiered. Mr. Scott, you can testify are there areas that it can be tiered to address
Mr. Lman's concern. uh the again the the great changes from the existing parking lot to down to the basement level of of the addition. So uh to accommodate that change, we have a retaining wall that's proposed alongside
the sidewalk. Um right now I I could potentially shift that wall and create a tiered wall. However, I'm going to eat into my planting area. So my vision of the parking lot would be would be screening
to block the fencing which would be along the wall. Uh if I tear the walls I'll still need the fencing and I will have a deficit of landscaping I feel. >> How high is the wall? >> Uh at the rear of the building it it
tapers to grade. It rises to 6 ft. Uh to the middle of the wall it's 8 ft. At the corner of the wall here, it's 10. And then at this point, you actually climb a series of steps and enter over the top
of the lower level. So, it's basically like a landing that goes goes over the basement entrance. So, that's that's the full difference between the two floors there exposed. That's 13 just at this point.
>> Just just the board's information. I mean, Mr. Scott, that that landscaped area between the building and the parking lot. Okay, that's the wall we're talking about, >> right? >> So, right now, the the low the low side
of the wall is against the building. So, that sidewalk, there's a sidewalk between the building and that landscaped area that's kind of in a uh a valley, we'll call it. So if if you were to tear that wall back and plant the plant the
platform or the flat area between the tears, only people in the building would see that landscaping. So if you made it one wall, all the landscaping would be up on top shielding the building from the parking lot. So,
you know, the tearing is a requirement, but I think in this case, the purpose of that and and the purpose is to soften the view of the wall, but the issue is nobody's going to see that wall. >> Chair, we have no problem for Mr. any details which are satisfactory.
And the only other thing is now because this is a major soil moving, you're going to have to come back to the board to get that approved. And it's over,500 yards, which means you also have to go to town councils unless you can get it under 16 under under 1500 yards. And
you're at I think 1620. So I don't know if you can get it under and in and that's dealing with that. Um >> we did notice that we submitted the application on that too. So I can have Mr. Scott. >> Oh, okay. I did I did not Uh
yeah, we we did uh we noticed and we submitted so movement uh 16. Mr. Scott, with regard to the soil movement, can you tell us with regard to the application the uh amount of soil which will be exported site as result of the
excavation? >> I I believe it was in the area of 1650 cubic yards. I don't have the >> Okay, I'm going to give you and show you what's the date you saw on the permit which was very conjunction with your information.
>> That was 1620 cubic yards >> and that encompasses the entire excavation for the proposed new structure. Is that correct? >> Yes. uh take a hard look at it since we're doing some revisions to the um storm
water management. If we can get it under the 1500 cubic yards, we'll certainly give our best effort. >> I don't Did you get a response from the T because I don't review the soy moving the township engineer does. Did you get a response from that permit application?
>> I didn't see it, Mr. I didn't see it. I >> I have a letter in my package February 4th, 2025. I >> Yes, I just found it. I think that speaks to it, right? >> Do we have that? >> No objection to Okay. So, that would take care of that if the board wants to
move on that also, but it's still a council issue unless in re in revising the drainage and such that we've done that we've been talking about. If that number changes, then you might not if you can get down to 1500, then you'd have to go to council.
>> Mr. Scott will take a look at that. >> Certainly. >> Um question. Yes, I have a question for you. I just noticed on here that my son and daughter-in-law live within 200 ft. And I didn't notice that till I just
opened up the the drawing and uh >> Well, you don't live within >> She's one at 189 Park Road. >> I don't think that's legal conflict, but >> I wanted to bring it to everybody's attention. So, nothing is ever said. >> We have no objections.
>> Okay. to them. >> I appreciate that. >> To them living there. >> If if someone wanted to say something, they would. >> Well, I'm glad you know that. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Crook. >> Okay. >> Your children do they attend the school?
>> Yes, they do. Not not the monastery. They're She's in high school. The other one just started college. So, >> all right. Have you covered all the variances you're requesting? I >> think we have. Okay. Thank you.
>> Any other questions in the audience of Mr. Scott's testimony only? >> I see none in here. Thank you, Mr. Scott. >> Thank you, >> Madam Chair. I have no further witnesses. >> Okay. Okay. >> Do they have they have to come back to
us? So, removing >> No, don't they don't have to come back for us? >> No. No. They're good on the soil that permit was applied for and you've got the comment from the township engineer. >> Okay. Would someone like to make a recommendation? >> You have an architect here. You've decided not to call him. Is that
accurate? >> We uh we decided not to call council. Moly said we had to originally we had 20 minutes. We extended to a half hour. >> I have to create a record. I'll bring everyone can make a three-hour show. But >> no, we we did not bring but I didn't
answer the questions at the board. Is there any question? >> Understood. I just wanted to make sure. >> Would someone like to uh make a res recommendation to approve this application, please? >> Was it me? >> Yeah, I I think it's uh uh needed
obviously for the school. Um it's going to enhance the area in my opinion. Uh this the water management system should make it better for the neighbors. Um I'll be voting yes for it. >> Would you also like to frame a resolution, please?
>> Oh, would I? All right. application. Let me get the right one. 25.42 Franciscan Sisters of St. Elizabeth uh to permit uh 499 Park Road to permit block 166 135.1
preliminary and final major site plan and moving soil permit. I resolution to allow. >> Seconded. >> Burke. >> Yes. >> Chro. >> Yes. >> Asella. >> Yes. Ready? >> Yes. Will. >> Yeah. Just before I vote though, I think
it's really unfair to have three smiling sisters in the old in the audience. How the heck do we ever vote against that? So, I vote yes. >> We see them at St. An all the time. >> Brenyani. Yes. >> You'll be very poor. >> Yeah, right.
>> We need them. We need them. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate that. >> Good luck, everybody. >> I was in. All right. Motion to motion. >> Second. >> Second.
>> Everyone in favor. >> I to go. >> He hasn't seen that. >> Good night. >> Good night, J. Say hello to Nancy. >> Yeah, we'll do. We're headed to Knoxville, Tennessee next week.
>> Oh, okay. >> For my granddaughter's wedding. >> Beautiful. Beautiful. >> Good night. >> See you on Sunday. >> You guys have a good night, guys. >> Yes. >> 10:30.
>> Yes. >> See you then. Bye. Bye. >> Have a good night. Thank you. >> Good night. >> Thank you. >> That was pretty good. You
>> guys have a good night. Oh, come on. [Music] the last [Music] >> I figured I better bring it up >> because thinking.