Okay, we're on record. Good evening and welcome to the reorganization meeting of the Township of Paripony Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. It is Wednesday, January 7, 2026 and 7:30 p.m. Announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given
and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 10:4- six sec of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Um the reappoint of Scott Josowitz is
going to um take place at a later date. So we are going to move on. Uh if I can have a nomination uh for chairperson. >> We don't have to roll. >> Uh roll call. >> Yeah. Roll call.
>> Uh well after roll call will be after we finish this. >> Correct. I thought we need to know who's here >> to put in the nomination. >> We did. We do. >> You should probably roll call it. >> Okay. >> I'm not here. >> Mr. Burkowitz here. >> Mr. Dro >> here. >> Mr. Maserella
>> here. >> Miss Naglia >> here. >> Mr. Ready >> present. >> And uh Chairwoman Granami >> present. >> Okay. We also have our uh board planner, Mr. Chadwick, our board engineer, Mr. Lammanoitz, and our board attorney, Mr.
Johnson. And if I can have that nomination for chairperson. >> I would like to nominate Loretta. >> Second. >> Are there any other nominations? >> I move the nominations be closed.
>> That's what I was doing. >> You have a motion. >> So move >> or second. All in favor? >> I. >> So we'll move into roll call uh for chairperson of the board of adjustment, Mr. Roberowitz. >> Yes.
>> M Decross. >> I say yes or Mr. I don't know. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dross. >> I said yes. >> Mr. Misarella. >> Yes. >> Miss Neglia. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ready? >> Yes.
>> And Chairwoman Grani. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, can I have a nomination for vice chair of the board of adjustments? >> I nominate Chris Maserelli, please. Second. >> Are there any other nominations?
>> Move nominations be closed. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. Moving to roll call. Uh, Mr. Burkeitz. >> Yes. >> Mr. Crows. >> Yes. >> Mr. Maserella. >> Sure. Yes. >> Miss Neglia. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ready.
>> Okay. >> Yes. >> Chairman uh Chairwoman Grani. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, uh, I guess we'll move on to confirmation of board secretary. Nor do >> some move. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. And lastly, we are going to move on to appointment of our board professionals. Uh, can I have a motion for Mr. Chadwick? >> Motive. >> Second.
Take that. The second. >> Any other nominations? Nominations are motion for nominations to be closed. >> Yes. Motion >> second. >> Second. >> Mr. Burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Mr. Crows. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mozarella. >> Yes.
>> Miss Neglia. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ready? >> Yes. >> Miss Grani? >> Yes. >> Can I have a motion for Mr. >> Second? >> Gotcha. >> They didn't like us talking down here. >> Would you like me? >> Mot is the motion to nominate Mr.
Manitz. Is that the motion? >> Yes. Yes. Okay. >> You made the motion. >> So move. >> You never can hear me all the way down here. >> I guess I'm going to have to stand up and yell. >> Pull the mic closer. >> Yeah. Right. >> Any other nominations for board
engineer? >> No. >> Motion to close. >> All in favor? >> All right. Roll call. Mr. Burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Mr. Cros. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mozerella? >> Yes. >> Miss Neglia? >> Yes. >> Mr. Ready? Yes,
>> Miss Grani. >> Yes. >> And lastly, uh can I have a motion uh to nominate our uh board attorney, Bill? >> Moved. >> Cruz. >> Second. >> Giani. >> Any other uh
>> move nominations be closed. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. Burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Dro, yes. >> Masarella, >> yes. >> Neglia, yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Griani, >> yes. and >> motion to adjurn that reorganization
meeting. >> Motion second. >> Second. >> All right, we're going to move into our regular meeting of the Township of Paripony Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. It is Wednesday, January 7th, 2026, and it is 7:34 p.m.
Apologize. Announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 10 colon 4-6 at sect of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Roll call. Mr. Burkowitz
>> here. >> Miss Decross >> here. >> Mr. Moserella >> present. >> Miss Neglia >> here. >> Mr. Ready >> present. >> Chairwoman Gyani >> present. >> We also have our board planner Mr. Chadwick >> present. Our board engineer, Mr. Lmanowitz, >> here
>> and our board attorney, Mr. Johnson, >> present. >> Like to move the flag, >> the pledge of allegiance. >> Oh, sure. >> Would you all please stand for the pledge of allegiance? >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Mr. Chairman, can you raise your right hand, please? You swear or affirm that any testimony that you give tonight and any subsequent meeting of this board be
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Yes. >> Mr. You swear to affirm that any testimony that you get tonight and any subsequent meeting the truth? >> Yes, I do. You guys me down.
All right. So, we're going going to move on to correspondence. Uh, there was correspondence received. >> General public. >> Oh, yeah. You didn't do the general public. >> Correspondence received from >> You have to just ask the uh >> general public. >> Oh, sorry about that. Go ahead.
Is there anyone present that would like to speak of something other than is not on our agenda this evening? I see none. >> All right. So correspondence was received from uh Satchin Pereie 37
Kellume Avenue request an application 2536 be carried from January 7, 2026 to March 4th, 2026 at 7 p.m. without further notice and grant an extension of time for the board to make decision on
the case through February 28, 2026. Is there a motion? >> Nora, just I I think that might be a typo. You might have talked to him about extension passed March 4th is my is my guess. And then the what he sent in might have contained a typo. >> Yes, it is a typo.
>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure that was the case. So the extension is through March 4th, 2026. Correct. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh we have resolutions. You all have you can vote. >> Wait, you still you need a motion. >> You need a motion.
>> Oh my gosh. Today is just starting new year off Friday. always. Can I have a motion? >> Motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. >> All right.
>> So, we have application 2554 Patel, 105 Lemore Drive. Um, those who can vote are Dro, Mzarella, Neglia, Freddy, and Grani. Can I have a motion? Some >> move. Second. Dro,
>> yes. >> Masarella, >> yes. >> Neglia, >> yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Briani, >> yes. >> And application 2560, Cosmo Builders, 213 Lakes Shore Drive. Those who can vote. Decross. Masarella. Neglia. Ready. And Grani. Can I have a motion?
>> Motion. >> Second. >> Decross. >> Yes. >> Masarella. Yes. Neglia. >> Yes. Ready? Yes. >> Griani. >> Yes. Our agenda for this evening application 24
col1750 Edwards Road LLC 750-760 Edwards Road Block 766 lot 678 and 9
AHD-4 preliminary and final site plan with C D variants for landscaping and truck depot, storage of con of commercial vehicles, livestock, driveway access,
and offense. >> Is the application dismissed without >> Yes, it's dismissed. >> I believe, nor correct me if I'm wrong, but that you received correspondence from the applicant's attorney requesting that the application >> correct. I I I let her know. Yes.
>> Thank you. >> Application 259. Is there a motion to accept that? >> Is there a motion for the dismissal? >> Second. >> All in favor on that one. >> All in favor?
>> I I >> Okay, there we go. Application 25 col 29 Sebastian Gay 3 Duville Drive block 753 lot 57 zone R2 a
C variance to construct a shed and patio contrary to section 430-35 columns 10 and 13. This application was carried from October 29th 2025. Mr. Gay.
>> Miss Gay, >> can I come up here? >> Please. Yes. >> Okay. Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Can you state? You can put your hand up. Just make sure you use the microphone.
Okay. Can you um you can speak into that one on the desk. It's fine. Just make sure it's kind of close to you, but it'll pick. So, can you state your name? Let's spell your last name, please. >> So, my name is Marie Jay. Last name G A Y. My husband is the one that's supposed to be here. Um, he's in the ER getting
some heart symptoms checked out. >> Oh, gosh. >> So, I will do my best to answer all of your questions if you have any. Um, but do my best. >> Want to request that the board carry the application for another night. >> Um, >> I'm just making that offer to you.
>> Is it just one night or would it go to like March something? >> I don't know. It would be up to go to March 4th special. >> Okay. So, I'm going to try and do my best with your questions tonight. >> So, um were you here when your husband
was here the last time? >> I was not. >> Okay. So, we did discuss um I have like we received today um a letter from the assistant municipal engineer saying
that we would not need to do any storm water management. >> So, you're talking about a letter dated January 7th, 2026. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um, so my understanding is that since the last meeting when your husband was here, there's there was some
modifications to the plans, right? >> Is that right? And is it your understanding that your husband and perhaps even yourself talked to the municipal engineer about those modifications? Is that right? >> Correct. >> Okay. Now, it looks from this letter
that if you make another couple of minor modifications. >> Yeah. >> Correct. And we have the plans for that. So he miscalcul miscalculated when he did a certain set of stairs. Um I think they're going to be So the stairs are
going to be smaller, but I have like the plans. Okay. >> If you want to see the plans. >> Sure. So then it's my understanding and I'm going to just read this one sentence in the letter into the record to make sure that you understand what I'm saying. There's a sentence that says the
applicant is willing to revise the stair size to 6 ft by 4 ft. >> Correct. >> 24 square ft. >> If the stairs are constructed smaller then the then the in progress coverage would be below the existing would not require storm water management. Correct.
>> Okay. So are you willing to make that modification to the plans? >> Yes. And we already h I already have the plans here that are modified. >> Okay. Great. So the percent of coverage will remain at 25.75%. By reducing the service,
you find me asking. >> So there would the uh the board accepts the pre-existing condition and there is really no issue. >> Doesn't sound like it. >> No. That was
um um >> she still need any varian >> are there any questions from the board? >> Well, she needs they still need the variance. >> Um yeah, they still need the variance to construct it because they're even though they're not increasing the impervious
coverage, they're still in violation of the impervious coverage >> because it's replaced, >> right? >> So the deck is already there, but it's a 30 40 year old deck. So, we're just basically tearing it down, keeping the
pillars that are there and constructing like a new deck, but on the pillars that are already there. >> Existing pillars. >> Existing pillars like they're they're there and they've been there when my parents bought the house and I I live there >> and it's just the deck is no longer
usable. But, um, when my parents bought the house like 40 years ago, this is how it was. >> And you've agreed you got the stairs back. So, the correct >> coverage is going to be exactly what we said. >> Correct. >> You're still putting the shed in.
>> Um, >> is the shed already there? >> No, we're going to No, the shed's not there. No, we're going to go with the smaller shed. >> Okay. Do you know the size of the shed that you want? That's on your application. >> Um, I believe it's an 8 by10 something
>> standard. Wait a second. The shed does not show in the survey. Yeah, >> it's not there. >> It's not there. And you would require new variance because it's going to add the coverage. >> Okay. >> Do you have a shed there now?
>> No. >> Then this application does not include a shed. >> Okay. >> You know, it's interesting because the May 22nd, 2025 by Jennifer. >> Yeah. Now it's gone.
Mhm. >> Right. And you submitted a new application. So, >> okay. Without the shed. >> Okay. Understood. >> You have a copy of that application. Oh, >> you should. >> You have both of them. >> She's saying she had new plans. >> Yeah. But no shed, right?
>> The plans that you have do not have the shed. >> Okay. >> On your plans. Is that correct? >> Um, >> yes. >> Yes, I believe so. Okay. >> Okay. So, if you want to come, if you want the shed, you're going to have to make another application because that's going to require a >> variance. Okay. But right now I'm here just for the D.
>> Right. >> Correct. >> Okay. That's Yeah. >> Like you already there. >> Are there any questions from the board? >> Are there any questions from the audience on this application and the testimony that has been given this
evening? I see none. Would someone like to frame a resolution please? >> I'll give it a stab. Um so I I'll make a few comments first. Obviously, it's an old deck as you stated. Um, you agreed to cut back the steps to not add to any
more of the impervious coverage. So, I'll be voting in favor. Um, application 259, Sebastian Gay, 3 Duval Drive, block 753, lot 57, zone R2. Um, approve of a C
variance to construct a shed. No, no shed. Sorry. to construct a patio contrary to section 4- 430-35 columns 10 and 13 based upon >> it's a sorry it's a deck and stairs not sorry >> deck and stairs
>> oh okay or deck and stairs not patio >> contrary to section 430-35 columns 10 and 13 I guess we put in there as long as they agree to cut the steps back >> yeah on the condition that they agreed well they already modified it but on the condition >> I have new plans that have
>> the that the plans are modified >> as per the new plans. There you go. >> Seconditz, >> yes. >> Crows, >> yes. >> Narella, >> yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Miss Neglia, >> yes. >> Griani, >> yes.
>> Your application is approved. And um if you are intending to have a shed, then you have to put out put another application >> coming forward. >> Thank you. >> Best of luck to your husband, too. This feels better. >> Thank you.
Application 25 col 61 Randolph Delara 42 Dakota Avenue block 533 lot 19 zone R4 a C variance to legalize a front patio/
entrance front walk and stairs driveway expansions and stair side landing and stairs contrary to section 430 30-275X and section 430-35
column 13. Mr. Delara, >> thank you. >> Yes. >> Could you please stand? >> Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing? You can sit down. Make sure you're close to the microphone. Please
state your name and spell your last name. >> I'm sorry. Can you repeat that again? >> Could you state your name and spell your last name? >> Yes. Uh, my name is Randall Gilo. R A N D O L P H. Last name D E L A R A. >> Could you tell us a little bit about
your application, please? >> Yes. So, is there a um just a couple of background uh before I proceed into the actual issue? So, we uh a couple years ago, we had our home renovated and it's been revised. So, um, unfortunately,
our contractor at the time, they don't they don't do, um, parts scaping. So, we we had to wait, you know, a couple years just to get my budget up again. And we we did that. And, uh, so I contacted my contractors who were here for for a
technical, you know, to explain any technical whatever issues, whatever. And I I asked them, hey, you know, first thing I asked cuz I know I've been here before um when I applied for when we renovated the home. So, I know all about the applying for uh the permits and all
and all that. So, uh I came I when I asked my contractor, uh hey, I don't are we going to need a a permit for this cuz and at the time I I guess they didn't know. They said um no because we are just we we're just revising what has
already been exist ex existing and from that logical standpoint I saw you know I said like hey you know okay fine that makes sense and we proceeded to build the front um I'm sorry the to the front
patio/ entrance there cuz during um in the past and I've been in I've been living in Precipany for you know since ' 08 2008 and my kids grew up here and everything. We always have to use the driveway to run or to walk and you know and it's a pretty steep driveway. Uh we
live in a downgrade and so during the winter time especially it gets really it gets really um slippery, you know, it gets mossy during the rainy season. And my parents were from Clifton, they come by and visit me and they're getting, you know, to that age. And I just want them
I just wanted to include that little step in and uh decrease the the footprint of the the the the old patio because it also gather um when it rains the mud goes into that front step. Um so
my contractors uh built it in such a way that now anyone can use the step path from the from the street down directly to the front door below. But it's not downgraded in a way that the water or or
mud would collect on on the the base right which is situated right in front of my door doorway. So that so the problem with that is of course I'm here to legalize that that pro that issue because we didn't know and I just wanted
to to do this the proper way and of course we also wanted to um uh expand the driveway. So me and my wife we have like we have four kids. Uh we have three boys and one girl and they're all in college. I mean they're done with
college and they're in college. So >> there's a lot of there's a lot of cars. >> Cars will be coming. >> Yeah. So during the winter time, especially uh the storm, you know, the cops, they kick they kick you out of the street. You got you have to line them all up on the driveway. And what I'm just what I'm asking for my contractor
to do is just to expand it like by 2 ft wide in order to um in order to accommodate uh two rows. And and right now it's accommodating, but you have the gravel and the mud mixed in on the edges of it. And my neighbor who is u this
nice lady and she was you know I've been with her I've known her for a long long time. She's never had any issue with it and you know we're very good friends. So you know five we have the 5 ft right which is the required um width from the
driveway. I'm only asking to include 2 ft of that in order to accommodate um all the cars in within there during the so the storm during the storm time then you know there's no issues with the the town and the police and um thirdly we
are also u my contractors are also building the the landing and the stairways which is which is going to be a mason cuz currently right now it's just wood wood. So, that's um that that's pretty much
it. Uh unless I'm I'm forgetting something. Sorry, this is my first time. >> So, I I have a couple questions. So, you say they're building it now or it's already there? They already did it. >> Which one? >> Well, it's the the >> on the application. It says to legalize
and it has all four. We are all four already in place and >> just the just the front and the patio entrance. Um my my contractors built that. >> Okay. prior to uh I guess legalizing. >> So what's not there currently is the
driveway expansion and the side stairs. Is that >> the side stairs? We're just actually upgrading it from a wood to mason. >> All right. But it's not done yet. >> I'm trying to stipulate legalized and approved. >> Yeah, we got the stop uh stop work done. >> All right. And then the front walk and stairs you said what was there before if
we're ever to legalize it that you put in? >> Um it well it didn't have uh the steps. it only it was just an existing patio and that was the reason why we never applied for that because you know we we both thought that it since it's existing
and we're just upgrading it we could just build it so but we didn't know better so we're doing it the right way doing the proper but my neighbors like them I have no complaints even a couple my my neighbor from which is 5 houses far away wrote to
the town uh they're providing their support um for this project and I don't have any other question. >> So in in in the package that I have I think this might have been listed previously in November and then carried
at your request. Is that right? >> So I'm looking at an October 9th, 2025 letter from the municipal engineer. Have you seen that letter? >> Um I don't >> I don't know if the board has a copy of that.
I don't see that. >> Yes, we have it in our package. >> In regards to the the steps >> in regards to the potential impact with regard to storm water runoff with the work that you've done. >> Well, I'm I'm when I spoke to the
engineer uh in the department, >> he did mention something about that, but not the letter though. I don't >> So, you don't have a copy? Can maybe just >> Yeah, take a look at your paperwork and see if you It's dated October 9th of 2025. Yeah, from a technical standpoint, if we
had to do if we had to do that, then we'll I'll talk to my contractor about it. >> Would you agree to do it or not? >> No, I would I would definitely agree if it's the requirement. >> What's from his letter in the October 91 letter?
>> Oh, the the letter. >> I'm looking at it. I'm looking for it right now. I don't believe I can number three. >> Like I said, I just verbally my the engineer that I spoke to just verbally mentioned something about storm drain.
That's I I did remember that part. >> So, I'm happy to have you take a look at >> Sure. >> at my copy of the letter. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you should probably take a look at that >> before you agree to do it. >> Yeah. Um, >> I believe item number three is most
important. >> Oh, >> for you to read them all. >> Yeah, read them all. But >> three, you >> want me to read? Okay. Read it to yourself. >> She'll read me. >> Uh, you want
Yeah. I mean, if this if I mean I guess they will have to assess it, right? Basically, >> so here's my question. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Given that you have not seen the letter, >> right? Yeah, I haven't seen advance. >> Okay. which is unfortunate, but
>> would you like the opportunity to review the contents of that letter with >> the people that you have helping you >> to decide whether you're going to be able to comply with that or suggest? >> He probably has to see the town engineer as well
>> to find out exactly what he wants >> because this might get quite expensive. when you >> the case you saw before you, >> the woman went and sat down with the town engineer and basically reduced her uh >> footprint
>> her footprint so that she did not have to get into a storm water management situation. You don't know what you have to do. So basically we're suggesting you carry this case again, >> meet with the town engineer
>> and find out what you're getting into. >> Yeah. I mean like depends. I guess I would have to the engineer who is the the professional, right? She he or she would know that more than I than I would. Um I guess it would be something that I I would definitely be for it. I
don't think you can just say I'll do it and have no idea what you're getting. >> Yeah, exactly. I mean, >> that wouldn't be a very intelligent thing to do. >> So, you you agree that you would like to carry this application after you speak with the engineering department.
>> This the the town engineering department. Correct. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Nor may we have a date, please? >> I I just have one question on the two documents here. So this one says there's no change in impervious coverage. It says 51.85 existing and proposed he's 51
>> because because he's already done because he's already did the work. >> But he said he didn't. >> I think some's been done. Some of the work's been done. >> You know what they did? The part that he's going to pave >> probably is gravel dirt and they covered
that as >> part of it. >> Oh, the gravel. >> Okay. All right. I just want cuz it seemed a little bit odd to me. It said it was already existing and then >> Okay, >> it's actually a lot better now. I mean, we're not I'm not getting any water coming down from the street where when I
when I used to. >> It's usually aimed at your neighbors and that's the one where I have the problem with it, >> right? Your management of it affects them. >> Absolutely. Yeah, I'm I understand. >> Nor, do you have a date, please? >> March 4th, 700 p.m.
>> So March 4th. So I basically Yes. But at 7:00 p.m., not 7:30, >> um you're going to go over to the town engineer, speak with them, uh possibly, you know, come up with a storm water management um
>> a plan and which he'll, you know, review and send us another, you know, memo that you should be sending uh memos directly to you as well. So, >> okay. And that's the requirement to to see the engineer basically. It's better. It's best for you because like
they said before, it could become very costly for storm water management and you know, you talk about getting your building and your budget back up previously. >> You don't want somebody to come and hit you with a bill that's ridiculous for >> Oh, wow. >> If you cut it down a little bit, it might not need storm water management. So, that's your best bet.
>> Oh, so the engineer will come to my house and make that assessment. >> I think they're already they probably were there. >> I think you should I think you should Yeah, >> just contact them, see what the best course of action is. Yes, they would have seen, you know, your the zoning officer's review. >> Uh, but you would,
>> it's possible they went to your house, but definitely give them a call. Go over there, speak with them, and how they would like you to proceed. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I wish I saw a letter. >> No, it's always good. It's always good to not have to come back, but we also don't want you to go break your bank either. >> Yeah. >> So, you're asking the board to carry
this until March 4th, correct? I >> I guess that that's the only option. I mean, >> I think that's in the best interest. >> Yeah, better option. And you're and you're going to grant the board extensions of time to make a decision until that date. Is that right? >> Uh yes, I guess >> because you don't want them to decide tonight.
>> But is it possible to um discuss the other pointers uh the other issues? Um >> you're better off leaving everything until March 4th once you have this issue figured out. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we won't be able to really vote on it vote on anything tonight anyways. It's better. Yeah.
>> So, I I just need to see just to uh recap, I just need to see the town engineer and have them >> look over for for the water. >> Yeah. And his address is phone number should be on there. >> All right. >> Did he Can he needs a copy of the
letter? >> They have you. But that was Mr. Johnson. >> It is. I can get up. >> Okay. I was going to give him mine. So, you want mine? >> You want my letter? >> Sure. If you want if you want to I'll keep it in my box. >> Okay. So then we will be seeing you in March. >> March.
>> Okay. At 7 p.m. >> We need a motion, please. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I March 4th, 7 p.m. >> Yes. We will see you then, Mr. Delaro. >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you.
>> Application 25 col 56. Michael Padus, 11 Warrior Way, block 626, lot 10.5, zone R3, a C variance to construct a detached garage with driveway expansion
contrary to section 430-35, columns 10 and 13. >> Raise your right hand, please. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth? >> You can sit down. Just make sure you're
close to the microphone. Okay? And uh please state your name and spell your last name. >> My name is uh Michael My name is Michael Gatus. Uh my last name is spell G A T U Z.
>> Okay. Thank you, sir. Want to raise your hand? >> Well, we get right to it. Yeah. Okay. So, Mr. Gatus, um I understand that you want to um >> um that you want to construct a garage and expand the driveway. Is that right?
>> Yes. Yes. >> So, in the package that the board has is a letter from the municipal engineer dated September 22nd, 2025. Have you seen that letter? >> Uh >> thank you. 24 25.
No, no. >> Okay. Why don't you take my copy >> cuz I um let you sit back down. >> So that letter raises some issues with respect to the increase in imperous
coverage and what impact that might have on storm water runoff. So, I don't know if you listened to the last application. The suggestion that the board made was that the applicant have their application rescheduled for another date
to give it an opportunity for the for you to talk to the municipal engineer about how might you how you might address the concerns raised in that letter. >> Okay. >> I know you haven't had a chance to read the letter. >> Yeah, >> I didn't have a chance. >> Okay. >> First time seeing this yet.
>> Okay. Um, but it does suggest that um, your increase in imperous coverage will need to be mitigated by some storm water management issues and you might want to take the opportunity to come back on a different day after you've had a chance to talk to the m municipal engineer
about what that might. >> Yeah, because there's a storm drain right there. I see in my backyard over there again drains. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that'll be great. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So, you want to you want to carry this application to another date to another date so you have a chance to
talk to the municipal engineer. >> Yeah. >> That is that's what you want. >> Yeah, that's what I want. Yep. Thank you. >> Nor, do we have a date, please? >> March 4th. 7 p.m. >> March 4th. >> It's 7:00 p.m., not 7:30. >> 7 p.m. >> And you'll grant the board the extension of time to make a decision until that
date. >> Oh, yes. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Motion, please. So >> second. >> All in favor? >> I >> sir, we will see you on March 4th at 7 o'clock. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And you can keep the letter so you can
talk to the municipal engineer about it. Okay. >> And March 4th. Just talk to them, right? >> No, no. Talk to them before March. >> Oh, before March 4th. >> My suggestion is you call them as soon as possible and make the appointment. Okay. So when you come back on March
4th, you either have revised plans or you have a plan on how to address the issues that are raised in the left. >> So it's clear. Okay. >> Okay. >> Yep. I understand. >> You have any questions? >> Uh no. >> Okay. Great. We'll see you on March 4th. >> Thanks everybody. >> Good night. >> Happy new year.
>> Same. >> Happy new year. Application number 25 col 63 1719 Route 10 LP 1719 Route 10 block 200 lot
I zone R O L for a D variance for personal services and recreational instruction. ction. >> Good evening, Mr. O'Neal. >> Good evening. >> Oh, sorry. I was about to swear you in. >> No, you don't need to swear you in.
Joseph O'Neal here. Follow O'Neal here representing the uh property owner 1719 commercial realy. With me this evening is Mr. Andy Billings who is principal of commercial realy and I'd like to have him sworn for
some introductory comments. to swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> State your name, spell your last name, please. >> Andrew H. Billing. B I L L I N G. >> Thank you.
And Mr. Billing, you are a uh manager of uh commercial realies. >> Yeah, I'm general manager of the owner of the building, which is 1719 Route 10 LLC. who've owned the building since I think 1995 or 96.
>> Now, we've been to the board a number of times for different things in the building over the years. Uh we've got the Miller Ale House, Starbucks, there's a hotel going to be built in the parking lot. And this is section of the building that's going to be dedicated to tenant
services, but also open to the public along the lines of hair cutting and beauty. Can can you describe what it is you're trying to do there? >> Yeah, it's we're we're trying to do anything we can do to lease office space is what we're trying to do and what we're trying to put in is something
that'll provide amenities to the building as well as rent space in the building. Um, we this this unit will be almost like a shared services situation, kind of like a Regis, if any of you are familiar with
Regis, where they'll rent a large block of space and then they'll rent it out in individual offices. We would be doing a similar thing, but it' be geared toward hair stylists, nail people, lash people, esthetician,
uh, makeup artists, massage therapists, those kind of things. It'd be it would give an opportunity for those kind of people to start their own business uh instead of working for a larger salon or whatever. That's what it's geared to.
>> So while Regis manages things like super cuts and other places, that's not the model we're talking >> these are individual uh business. >> Is it something similar to that Phoenix place like right next to Michael's now where they have the building in his old I I'm assuming it's something similar.
know what's >> what what I didn't hear what >> Phoenix the place that's right next to Michael >> I'm not familiar with the Venus >> it sounds like it's very similar they have different offices for similar stuff
>> and individuals rent specific space square footage and they're all individually >> occupied by hair stylist >> it sounds like it's very very similar >> so yes >> so it's all the same type of
That's right. Personal services which are not permitted in this zone. >> Gotcha. >> They are permitted as amenities in other zones especially right down the street 1515. Personal services are permitted in there but this is one of the older
zones. So it does not happen. >> So it's it's approved at 1515 already. >> Yeah. Is there is there enough space in there? Cuz Starbucks and Miller's L house is >> Oh, yeah. It works. It works great.
Encourage encourage you to go to the site. >> I think the planner has >> always at Starbucks. >> Okay. >> The planner has an aerial photo that illustrates that real well. >> I have to see all that, too. >> Yeah. This is going to be inside the building.
>> Part of the uh renovation is going to be the addition of a door. You're going to do some landscape improvements at the >> correct. That's pretty much it. >> So, it's not a new building. It's space inside the building. >> Building the bank was there at one time. >> The bank's still there.
>> A different bank, but there's still a bank there. Yeah. >> And this is on the corner towards Miller L. >> It's directly across from Starbucks. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. No, right. >> No further questions for this witness >> board. Do we have any other questions to
this applicant? Mr. Billy. >> So, just uh for my own clarific where where this >> Well, our architect is actually in one of the spaces, but he's he's agreed to move if if we get our approval. >> Okay. Just just
>> in the building though. We're not letting him out. The floor plan that was submitted seems pretty definitive, but you're not married to those particular cubes. If somebody want two or three, you'd be fine with that.
>> Yes, we would. >> So, if the board approves it, you would suggest you ask them to approve it as a conceptual plan as opposed to being fixed. >> Correct. It's probably pretty close because we have certain columns and
certain office or room sizes that they look for. >> Are you going to have a a a traffic engineer give us on the parking? >> No. Our planner is going to handle that. We've been through the parking a number
of times with the prior applications. We did a calculation. >> Seemed the worst case for this was going to be treating it all as like harbors. So, we came up with 17 spaces needed. >> Can you pull the microphone closer if you can?
>> 17. Our planner will get into it more detail >> because that parking lot is pretty filled at night with Miller's L house is when it's really >> parking area. >> Yeah. It's never >> Plus the our the personal service area,
the salon suites area would probably not be in use at night. >> Okay. >> Most people get their hair and stuff done. same there's 100 7 o'clock at night they close. >> Yeah, >> most of them do on route 10. >> We were actually at Miller's Ale House
last night and >> they were pretty busy and it was there's still plenty of parking. Also, there's 139 spaces allocated to the hotel and that obviously is mostly occupied at night. So, >> with the diversity of uses
>> So, we'll hear a little more from the planner. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Any other questions from the board? >> I guess the question is where do you expect most of the clientele to come from for these? >> Probably the local some from the building. We think
>> 1515. >> No, >> probably not. You know, it's mostly retail there. >> Uh probably the the neighborhood probably Morris Plains mostly cuz that's there's along Malipartis. >> Yeah. >> So you'll need parking for outside. >> Yeah. Customer.
>> Yeah, we would. Any other questions from the board? Are there any questions from the audience on the testimony given by Mr. Billings this evening? I see none. Mr. O'Neal. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Bill. >> Thank you, Mr. Leeb.
>> Mr. Lee, >> raise your right hand, please. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and only the truth? >> I do. >> State your name. State your name. Spell your last name, please. >> Sure. It's Seth Lee. L E E B is in boy.
It's Seth Lee, Architect, AIA. I'm located at 1719 Route 10 East Parony in the 1719 building. I'm in sweet 100. >> You walk. >> They're going to put you someplace else. >> I'm going into a nicer space, they think.
um >> condition approval on that. Um just a few qualifications is I've testified before both the planning board and board of adjustment in paripany in prior applications. I've been licensed
in New Jersey since 1995 and my license for practice in New Jersey is >> current Mr. Lee as an expert for architectural purposes this evening. >> Okay. >> Yes, >> please. >> Okay, >> Mr. Let's go through it. >> Sure.
>> Start with the modifications. >> Go ahead. Follow your notes. >> Okay. So, >> do I have to speak into the mic or can you hear? >> Here you go. >> Need the mic. >> That would be better, please. >> So, this drawing is in your packet. It's
uh PB-4. It shows exactly the floor plan that was discussed earlier. Um, as Mr. Chadwick said this is diagrammatic only. It's to show you approximately what we might do, but it does show you according to the
columns how many suites approximately we would have. There might be larger ones or smaller ones with the final details. It also shows you that it goes from the corner of the building that faces Miller, which I'll show you in a second, all the way it extends to the west
entrance um which faces Johnson Road. Uh >> about how many square feet is it? >> Five approximately 5,343 square feet. >> Okay. Occupies it takes up one, two, three, one, two, three, four suites that
exist today there. Um >> you said 43 >> 53. >> No, 5,343 ft plus or minus. Okay. So, this is the entire octagon building with the open courtyard here. Here is
Miller's Ale House. Here is uh Starbucks. Um, as mentioned, the uh new uh salon space will go from this corner to this entrance. and are proposing a new exterior entrance right here that would have a sidewalk going from the
existing building to uh the sidewalk that wraps around uh the parking area. Um you can see in drawing PB-3, it's a blow up. So you can see there's going to be some planting along the
rough way there. um and the entrance into the building. >> I'm sorry. >> So, >> is that better? >> Can I ask you on that's Starbucks right there? Right.
>> Starbucks is Miller Ale House is here. Starbucks is over here. >> Is it Where's the drive-thru to Starbucks? >> Here's the drive-thru. Okay. Starbucks. And where where are you having your entrance? >> The entrance is right here.
>> And they have to park up there and walk in that way or >> there's entrances into the building. >> I I know. I've been lost in that building. You know, I've gone into it before. So, it's it's >> just so you understand.
Hold on. Hold on. If I was a tenant, which I am in the building, and I wanted to use the salon, I could go in through one of the entrances within the building. You can come in the west entrance, so you can park over near the bank. Say you have banking to do, you can park over there
and come in through that lobby. There's multiple entrances into the space. So, you're not you don't necessarily have to park directly in front of the salon. You can park elsewhere and easily get into the building to go into the salon. Does that answer your question?
>> It answers it. >> This drawing just to show the public. This drawing shows the existing exterior facade and the proposed exterior facade. So you can see here's the existing, here's the proposed. Um, if you look at
this building, you can see as you go around the building, uh, there's places where it was designed at one point to put exterior entrances in case a tenant warranted. And there are other locations in the building that has this.
It's right here. It's a wider space, so it allows for an entrance to go in easily. That's where we're proposing entrance. The entrance is going to be right here. It's going to have a small canopy over the top so that it's weather protected and then it's also going to have some signage outside.
>> In your um floor plan, how many units are in there? >> 28. >> There's 29 suites. >> 29. >> So that could potentially result in 29 separate independent contractors working in each of those spaces.
>> It's possible. Yes. all with the same general use. >> Yes. >> Can you hear me? >> Thank you. >> There any questions? >> Most important is the accuracy of the request for use variance is I think the
application said it was 5323. You've corrected that to 5343. I may have said it incorrectly. I apologize. It's 5323 Myer >> each unit. Do you you have a uh
a proposed or uh any uh indication as to how many uh >> clientele can be in any one unit any and at any time. So it's possible it's possible uh if you look at the drawing
that we have if it says suite 27 and 28 or sweet one and two that means it's a possibility of having two chairs versus one chair. >> So if it only has a singular number it's it's a singular unit meaning one person in at a time. If it has two it's because
of the way the building laid out. Again as noted earlier this is a conceptual plan. It's showing a possibility, but it shows how it could lay out with some twoperson ones and some oneperson ones.
>> So, you have independent people working independently of themselves. They're they're if you have a a salon or a nail place and you have one person working and there are two people, you're only servicing enough people for that.
>> That's right. I understand the question. >> Yes. For that location. >> For that location. >> Don't you understand what I said? >> I'm sorry. >> I didn't understand what you said. >> If you What you're saying is you have one or two people that are working in a
suite. Say so that you only have one or two operators at one time working a a >> in that particular suite. >> Right. So that's all they'll be independent of anyone else. >> That is correct. They're they're just independent operators.
>> Take for example, this is a barber, >> right? I I I know the concept. I've seen it before. Okay. So, I understand it. I I'm just trying to visualize it in that building because I've been in that building. And I'll be honest, I've gotten lost in that building
>> going around and around trying to find what I was looking for. So, I'm trying to understand where they're going in, where they're coming out, where they're going to park, and are they going to walk all the way around the building to get into that side of the building. Um,
I I have concern over that. >> I I know when people come, my office is located right here. >> And once, you know, I I give them directions, come in the west entrance, make a left, it's the last suite. After they do it once and they made the
mistake of parking on the other side of the building, they learn if they're going to a salon the first time, they might get it wrong, they won't get it wrong the second time. >> Parking going to be over there then? Will the parking be, you know, pushed that way because all of them are located
on that side of the building? >> You can see, and the planner will talk about it, but you can see there's extensive parking. I know there's extensive parking there, but I'm I'm asking, are they going to concentrate on parking only in one area because they
don't want to walk all the way around the building to get to that side? >> If you if you come there during the day, I'm there every day. Um, if you come there during the day, there's plenty of open parking, even at lunchtime. Starbucks generally is all packed for
the drive-thru and it has its parking on the far far side. Again, the planner will talk about this, but the heaviest use is in the evening after hours. Um, and as discussed by the uh owner, it's going to be used during the day. There
is plenty of parking to come in in this area to go in and out. >> We save the balance of this discussion for Mr. McDonald. >> I don't Is Mr. Mcdana here? I don't see him. >> He's on Okay. You know, I know him. So,
>> he knows me. I know but uh yeah we'll because I have some comments on >> I I >> I'm just trying to understand the concept in a concentrated area that's all >> I understand the concept. >> Yeah I had a just well a little
diversion maybe I had occasion to argue a case involving parking around Deep Pascal >> ah >> salon. Mhm. So I was arguing the case about handicap access parking deep. My
point was all the handicapped spaces were up against Pasqual which is where they needed to be >> and someone else had taken a position. My learned opposition had taken a position that they needed to be all throughout the parking lot. >> So I'm making this argument in court. My
argument is exactly your argument, >> which is if you're going to use the Pasquals, you're going to be parked next to the Pasqual. So that's where the handicap parking should be. That's where the ramp should be. That's why we've got this overabundance of handicap parking
there. And the judge stopped me. She said, "Mr. discriminate. >> I go to D Pascal and I know that people at Deep Pascal park all through that parking lot at the different levels. >> Well, the the the people that work there
park away. >> She said >> the people that are being served park up front. >> Well, she she apparently walked. >> I I I've been going there for uh 30 years. >> I know. >> That's why I'm nice here. And uh so her
point was I needed to spread it out. So that's I lost. But that's you have your personal experience. I have my personal experience. I know I pull up right next to the thing. >> I I know Mr. Mcdana is here and he's going to explain to me how they're going
to come in the road by Starbucks and in that same road go to where they're going to go to that part of the building. So, you know, >> and the reason the reason she was right, what Mr. McDunn is going to argue is we're entitled as an applicant to take
credit for those parking spots. >> I understand. I understand. >> So, I just don't want to see >> people do parking. >> I I just don't want to see access from by Starbucks become worse than it is now. >> As you mentioned, you also go to Starbucks. >> Yes, I go to Starbucks, too.
>> Yeah. Let's ma'am McDonald. Yeah, we'll let McDonald tell a better story. Do you have any other architectural questions? >> No, >> I don't believe so. Any other questions from the board? >> No. No. >> Are there any question? >> You briefly mentioned signage. Is this
just >> label doors? Show us. >> Sure. >> Let's talk about the landscape. >> Sure. So, as mentioned, uh we were doing a canopy here and then we had a sign that
was going to go right to the right side of that outside entrance there. Um it's going to be a backlit sign. It's going to uh be we had it on our drawings 21 square ft. >> I didn't know how big is it?
>> 3x7 21 square ft. >> So, complying you don't need a variance. Is it bolted to the wall or >> It's connected to the wall. It's fixed to the wall and it's back lit with LED lighting. So, it's it'll be >> black with white letters.
>> Yeah, black with white letters. >> That that'll conform to town regulation. We allowed 10% of wall area. You're not even close to it. >> I calculated I calculated the wall area. >> Yes. >> Far lower. >> Okay. >> Good. Very concern. >> Are there any other questions from the
board of Mr. Le and his testimony? I'll just I'll just mention for a second about the landscape. >> Um so you can see it >> on PB-3. Um we've shown some landscaping around the walkway there that is consistent and
comparable to the other landscaping that surrounds the property. Um, and we have a walkway so that it's nice easy access from the walkway that goes along the parking. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. >> I have no further questions for this
witness. >> Are there any other questions of this witness from the board? >> I see none and hear none. Are there any questions from the audience of the testimony given this evening by Mr. Lee? I see none. >> Thank you, sir. >> You're welcome. >> Mr. O'Neal can
>> Mr. Mr. McDonald, >> happy new year, Mr. McDonald. >> Happy New Year. Uh, Madam Chair, how are you? >> I'm good, thank you. >> Hi, Joe. >> Happy New Year, Joe. >> So, does he have any display, please? >> I have I have handouts.
>> Okay. >> You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Your license still in the same good standing that it has been? >> Yes. Okay. >> You've testified before this board countless times, correct? He's an old He's an old friend. >> An old time.
>> An old timer. >> Okay. So, you're going to get to mark A1. All right. So, A1 is going to be a handout. So, look at it up close. >> Excellent. >> You know, we like handouts. >> Eyes work better up close. >> Yes, they do.
>> Do you have an extra one for >> Mr. McDonald? Do you have an extra one for the mayor? It's coming up there. You can take that knife. Thank you. And I'm going to grab yours when it comes around. >> I'll grab Tom's actually.
>> What happened to your drone? >> I don't know. There they are. >> It's gone. >> Okay. So, A1, for the record, it looks like everybody has it. It's four sheets. >> Just double check. One, two, three, four. Yeah. and they are photographs of
the subject property taken back in June, which is representative of what you would see on an ordinary day here during during the daytime when uh most of the population that this use would serve would would be here. Uh we'll get into the whole uh parking uh configuration
and circulation shortly, but the key point here is that this is a single tax lot. It's block 200 lot number one. It's a large site. It's got excellent spatial capacity. about 15.7 acres. It's developed with that familiar octagon
office and those approved retail pads in the front which has really helped activate the site um and has has certainly revitalized the site as well. Um we're here on the route 10 corridor which we know is transforming with new development and a nicely co-mingled mix
of uses both residential and non-residential. So, uh, this transformation of new use here into this particular site is consistent with that trend that we see emerging on on the corridor as well. And the four sheets we've given you here just show four
views of the subject property. In frames one and two, you can see where that entrance will be to this salon suites type of facility. Um, and you do have multiple ways into the site. I'll talk about that uh momentarily. Um, finally,
we work around to the back in frames three and four. The key point here is that we do have hundreds of parking spaces. Parking is plentiful on the site and can certainly from an overall standpoint accommodate uh this relatively minor adaptive reuse of what
the applicant is looking to do, which equates to a delta of about 17 additional parking space requirement or relief than an otherwise uh office use would require if it were to occupy this space. >> How'd you calculate that? It was
calculated based on square footage and really it was it's one per 300 for office. It's one per 150 for a barber shop or salon type use. >> So you took the square footage the total square footage of the area. Yes. And
came came to that calculation. You didn't consider that there are is the potential for 29 separate businesses right >> in that suite. Uh again I think it was the delta between what the requirement would be from office to the worst case uh with uh with the square footage.
>> Okay. >> Yeah, let's talk about I mean this is a >> it doesn't really matter what the management of the site is. >> I understand >> I have to follow the regulations of the town. Now this uh the site needs 17 space variance basically because of the
hotel which is not there that's still allocated its uh its spaces. The hotel will be occupied at night. No one will be there during the day while the uh salon is open so much. Uh so that's we talk about averaging over
the time and such like that. But I have to follow the regulations right in the book. I can't freestyle. We can't make assumptions about this. And we have to follow good practices of estimating how traffic is going to be utilized on this
site. Can't we can't make assumptions. Well, it's going to be like this or they're going to get some hot young guys going to be cutting everybody's hair. Everyone's going to flock here. Deep Pascal is going to go out of business. All wonderful ideas. Not going to happen. Even if it did, how would we
discuss them? >> Right. I I understand. And I just wanted to bring up the issue. >> Actually, the the ordinance does provide for it's barber shops and beauty beauty shops are done in two different ways. It's either one space per 150 or three
spaces per butician or a barber. So if you've got 29 suites each with one butician or barber, it's 29* three which is like 90 spaces. >> 16. Well, I did the calculation based on
how it was based on square footage and in the delta. >> Yeah. >> Well, we don't know if they're all going to be barbers for >> Well, I thought that was the best way to do it. We're opening it up to
doing lashes, skin care, a lot of these. >> I'm just throwing up because you said that was the way the ordinance the ordinance kind of it's a one of the it's the greater of two. This may not be a question for you. Well, I assume you know where it's going. But where on this first page, per
se, was that hotel going to be? >> The left the lighter color. Okay, that's what I we figured, but >> right here where the lighter color, >> that's a good representation of the footprint. >> Okay. Just wanted to make sure I knew where it was going. That makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Um, just to run through the relief here.
We're in the RO research office. >> Hang on to the users. What if they have a podiatrist or something somebody like that who want to take >> space? That's not a permitted use. Do you want
to envision that it will be part of the mix >> medical uses? >> Medical use that would be >> I mean I don't I don't think you'd see a general like an urgent care or something like that there but >> you know podiatrist an eye doctor things of that order. We talked about in the
salon space small ones. >> You don't want You don't want to go there. >> I don't think it'd be appropriate in the salon space. >> Yeah. >> Doctors have completely different operations than what we're anticipating here in a salon space. At >> least my doctor because of the nature of the shape of this thing. You could have
one section. I'm just raised a question. You know, you're not interested. >> Fine. I'll I'll have to check with my client. >> Can I can I ask just a question? Of course. And you know it it is kind of your applicant. But why is it concentrated in just one area of the
building? Why not try to dispense it around the building and move everything around so that the parking is a lot even more even than in one area? >> Well, it would be harder to locate it if
you had one person's scattered about. >> Well, no, not just one. Not just one. Maybe, you know, you're doing 29 of one space. 29 different services in one space. >> Conceptually, that's that's >> right. Conceptually,
>> it doesn't mean you're going to have 29 people packed in. >> I I didn't say that. >> No, this was the space that was designated because it was >> Okay. >> The idea was to make it coherent type of operation there.
So if you have these lone guns out and about amongst the buildings, you won't be able to share. >> Okay. And and how did you how did he come about to pick this end of the building >> because that's that's they're coming in
the area where you come in by by Starbucks and that is a very hard corner to take and cars to come in and out. I know. and you're always almost hitting each other going in and out. As I said, I go there all the time.
>> So, I'm I'm just figuring and I'm just trying to understand you're going to have all that traffic going through and you're going to have people coming in and trying to figure out where they're going to go and where they're where they're supposed to go in to get to these individuals.
>> Got to go this way. >> Is this the way they're coming in? Uh, I'll have to ask my client. My impression was there was at one point there was discussions with a company about managing this type of operation
duration of application. I don't know about that. I think I understand what you're saying about that. It's very difficult for people to navigate >> the Starbucks. I've been through the Starbucks three times. >> Deeply regret agreeing to the drive-thru
configuration that Mr. Meth made >> it. It It is complex. It is. >> But maybe Mr. Mcdana can tell us how this would work. >> Well, I I I think I could say I live it every day because my office is over up
on Route 10 in Jibralta Drive. >> Yeah, I know. >> Where the Pasqual is. >> I I pass you every day. >> Every day. This is a this is a destination. It's not an impulse stop. It's not something where you just turn off the road and say, "Oh, I'm going to go there." You know, you're going there every day. Just
like I go to my office every single day. I know to avoid Deep Pasqual. I don't go in that way. There's multiple ways in. That would be the shorter way in to my office for sure, but I don't take that. I go around it, which is what I think people will do here with that second
access point. they'll >> it'll take them a long time to get educated into going a different way. >> I have to disagree with that. I >> I think it should what we're targeting here >> primarily is helping with leasing the existing building.
>> I I understand that. >> So the target audience whether it's going to be someone coming from the outside or not, >> the main target audience is in the building and they already know how to operate. So, I understand what you're saying about, well, there's a lot of it's easy to get lost in a building if
you're coming in off the street. I don't know that because I've really only been in the building a couple times, and I don't want to brag, but I never got lost. But >> I uh >> to find this to find you. >> There's going to be some familiarity
with the signage that we're putting out. It's not really this blaring signage. It's ID to if you're on the site, you can see the signage. You can see the door. This is not going to be something you're going to see from route 10, >> right? Okay. But when they go into this
little lane by Starbucks, are they going to be able to see right where they have to go? And they're going to know that they're going to go right. They're not going to go left. Or if they go left >> to your point, isn't the door you see on your >> direction direction?
You guys have some protection signs where customers doesn't get confused. >> Mr. McDonald, >> I'm going to place >> A1. >> There's a Starbucks, >> right? >> Is that relatively close to where the new proposed entrance to the building
will be? >> Yes. Yes. That that blue car. Yes. >> And is that Johnson Road? >> That's Johnson. >> No, Johnson Road. >> Talking about this blue car right there. >> That blue car. >> Okay. That blue car. All right. >> See that? >> Okay. So that blue car
>> that is fa that is parked facing the building is relatively close to where the new entrance is proposed. Is that right? >> Yes. Yes. And in fact if you go to sheet number two, you get a better view of that blue car and you get a head-on view
of where that entrance point would be. The blue car is right in the middle of the photograph. >> Oh. >> So creature that they turned park is closer to the entrance here. >> And there is entrances in the middle of
the building as well and on the other end. Correct. >> Yes. >> So if you made a right or a left there, you're fine. Okay. >> Was there a reason for picking that section of the building? >> Again, this was negotiated as part of
the space when it was originally developed. I don't think I critical. >> Yeah, I if I if I may, >> that's kind of like a retail side of the building. >> It's got the Starbucks there already.
It's got the Miller A House there. They're going to build a ton of retail across Johnson Road with on the Wikard site. So, it is really the part of the site that lends itself to the kind of quasi retail. Uh, as you know, there's
three lanes coming in off of Johnson Road at that site. There's one, well, there's one that goes out and then there's one that's just for Starbucks, and then there's one that's through traffic. So, the people going toward the building are going to use the far right
lane and take that through traffic. They might go left and park by near the Miller's house. they might go right. The ones that are used to coming uh you know maybe after the first time are going to make a hard right because that part of the parking lot that's up
against Johnson Road is very sparsely populated and there's a lot of spaces there. That's the place where most people once they get used to going there are going to go. Is it your experience managing the property that most of the people who are not utilizing the
Starbucks drive-thru are parking on the Johnson Road side of the Starbucks building? >> Yes. Or up against Route 10 cuz there's a kind of a patio area with some tables out front. So they'll come in and they'll park either along Route
10 or um along uh Johnson Road. Yes. That was originally the design because we didn't want people crossing the drive-thru. We wanted to make sure we had enough parking spaces up against Johnson Road to accommodate the Starbucks, which is why if you come in
on that entrance, you look left, you see the Starbucks, a lot of activity. You look light right, as Mr. Billing is saying, there's nothing going on. >> But that Starbucks drive-thru backs up to to the road. it it backs up onto the
road sometimes and and people don't drive their cars right. So they're half off, half on. You can't get through on the right. So cuz I have I've tried to get through on there to go into Miller's ale house. >> That's right. If you're if you're really
concerned about it, we would agree to a wayfinding sign on that first entrance indicating salon suites going next. >> That that would work. That would work. >> We have no problem with directional signage. You know, >> directional signs is everything because
believe me, at peaks and certain times of the day, it backs up all the way out into the road. >> And that that's we we want to do anything we can to make it more obvious where people should go. That's not a problem. >> People don't drive right anymore.
>> Let's face it. >> Can I ask another question about >> agree to that? >> The second sheet of um of A1, the one that's got the blue car kind of right right in the middle. If you go around to the next face of the building to the
right, it looks like there's a concrete path from the sidewalk to the building. Is that another entrance? >> Yes. >> Yes, >> it is. >> And there's another one. Mhm. Yeah. >> And then there's the then there's more in the back. >> And there's one on the on the access road in the back. And there's one on the opposite side of the building where the
hotel will be. And then there's one in the middle through the courtyard too. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So you have more than >> And there's actually one at the very end. That's right near where Seth Lee is. So >> for now, >> right here >> for now. Yes. >> For now.
>> On the very end of the building closest to Miller's house for >> correct. Mhm. >> Mr. McDana, >> could you give me an idea as to the square footage cuz I see some units look quite large. The other ones are
>> the size you want the size of the units or the overall space which is >> the individual units. >> Well, that's for me. That's really conceptual drawing. >> Okay. >> We don't want to be pigeoned into doing that. your your pigeon's into
40 5323 ft. That's what that's what that's it. >> Okay. >> What else? >> And a sign is 21 square ft attached to the facade of the building. That's right. >> Right. >> You got to put away sign. >> Yeah. Good.
>> Yeah, that's >> I think that would be helpful to the uh to the people. >> And you actually need a parking variance. Is that correct? I do. >> Right. >> 17 spaces. >> Okay. Or 17 spaces. Okay. So, you're short per per the ordinance, you're
short 17 spaces. >> That's correct. >> How many spaces on the side? Does anybody know? >> Ah, >> I don't know if I wrote that. >> I don't know that I have the total number either, John. >> I remember. It's a lot of spaces. >> I think there's close to a thousand
spaces if I >> maybe more. >> Looks like it. But you've got some dedicated to the hotel that's coming, >> right? The hotel is coming. The Miller Sale house had a heavy hotel, right? >> And Starbucks, too.
>> Mr. Manit where nobody goes. >> You agree that that's 17 is the number that they're short. >> If if you go by square feet, it's funny. I mean, people I go I walk into Starbucks actually. If you go by square feet, it's an increase of 17. If you go
by >> I don't drink coffee. >> Three spaces per barber or mutitionian substantially higher. >> Ever been to a Starbucks? >> I I don't always get coffee. I get >> I have I have another question. Oh, I'm sorry. >> Get Mr. Le's answer.
>> Mr. Lman, do you have an answer for Mr. Johnson? >> 17. If you go if you go by one space per 150 square ft, they need a total of 36, which is 17 more than the office space. If you go for three spaces per each
butician or barber with 29 suites, that's 87 spaces, which is 69 more than the than the office. Can you speak to that, Mr. McDonald? >> 87 87. So we'll amend the application to
request 87 apartments >> based on the number of of >> barbers >> barbers >> sweet. >> What was it? What was the original number? >> 13 >> 17 or 17 >> 17. >> So now it's 89.
>> Can we reduce it up for you? >> 5323 / 300 to 17. How about that? would be 18 18 spaces as office. >> Okay. >> If it's 3 * 29
that's 87 - 18. So that's 69 more. >> So a variance is needed for for because they they lack 69 spaces. >> Assuming that everything is correct now. I mean as far as on this as far as your
you don't have any spare spaces now. Well, >> Tom, just one second. >> Depends on >> how you define spare spaces. >> One second. You You're putting three people in each of these cubicles. There it's 29 of them. But some of these are going to be one person, >> right? >> Well, you got the butician, you got the
customer. So, you got two, >> but you don't have three. >> I'm just what the ordinance says on >> Yeah, I know. I understand. I'm just trying to >> usually someone >> use some common sense in terms >> single operator if he goes with a single
operator he or she will book. >> So they're they're not having anybody sit there. >> They just come in. So there'll be two of them. But if there's two operators in a unit, then you will have >> clean door. Right. >> And again, it's not but it's not going
to be super cuts. It's not going to be a bunch of guys sitting around cutting everybody's hair. I understand that I think >> variety of things we try to >> I think the most important thing here is >> the town just redid it well didn't just
but not fairly recently redid his master plan >> and said route 10 is really needed help figure out what the best repurposing of these office buildings that are dogs
and this application This site has been in front of us what these three times. >> Yeah. >> Starbucks, the hotel, the Miller Street. >> Yeah. >> There's another signage. There was another something >> Miller signage. We came back for the hotel
>> and uh we did some landscaping in the >> center. We say whatever. But I got >> it's becoming successful. And in terms of the the parking, I think you could interpret two ways. I think you could even say there's 17 burials or
there is a what's the other number? >> 69. >> 69. But put 69 in context with the size of this property and the amount of parking spaces are there. >> Mhm. >> It's it's so >> Yeah.
>> And I think the directional signs are very important. Very important. >> Yeah. I think that's the best thing that came out of that conversation. >> Good. Happy to do it. So, Mr. McDonald, you're not concerned about the parking. Is that right? No. >> And I And Mr. Johnson, just to give you some numbers here from the last
approval. >> The pro the approved parking total with the hotel 789 spaces required would be 821 with the additional 69 Tom 70. Is that
our number? So it's >> um it's 821 + 69 is 890. So the the applicant's asking the board to move on 789 spaces proposed with the required going up to
890 about 100 spaces short over the entirety of the site >> for all the uses on the site >> for all the uses >> for all the uses if everyone's in use at one time and they're not >> and I don't believe that's right >> and you don't think that's going to be a
problem given the hours of opering that's that are different for each of those various us >> given the non-coincidence in peace. And I think the photographs help establish that. Look at Miller's Ale House at 3:00 in the afternoon on June 11th compared to what it is now. >> That's not football season.
>> That's true. That's true. >> I've been there in football, >> but the salons might not be open. >> Nobody's watching the Giants or the Jets. >> No, that's for sure. >> So, I think by the non-coincident peaks is becomes the justification for the parking. and no negative impact then
>> in fact I don't know that I did I put positives on the >> you didn't I don't think you did either of those >> all right positive criteria here we're advancing several purposes of zoning purpose A the general welfare the nature of the use that is aimed at well-being cosmetics advancing the planning goal
for healthy and liable communities uh purpose G variety of uses and appropriate locations that goes towards site suitability by virtue of its context by virtue of its efficient. The corridor is changing. It's becoming more diversified in terms of the uses that
are there. So, this is not certainly not going to be an anomaly in terms of the mix of uses on the corridor. Conditionwise, this is a retrofit of space that's already there. We don't have to bump out the building. We don't have to add another floor. We're working within the confines of what's there.
Purpose eye, a desirable visual environment. It's an attractive site. We're going to keep what's there there, revitalize it, give it some life and some dead space. And that's also purpose m efficient land use, taking underutilized space, putting it back to productive use. Those are the positives.
Negatives um based on the visual evidence and the testimony, relief can be granted without any substantial detriment to the public or to the zone plan. parking supply will be adequate to meet the parking demand giving those alternate uh peak demand times or those
non-coincident peak and certainly this is on par with the master plan goal for a viable and stable ratable base and that's exactly what the applicant is doing here parking relief folds into that use relief here and I believe the test is met and approval is a
>> thank you now I have to questions for this >> are there any questions of the board No. >> Any questions? >> Just as long a director will sign. >> It's like the board can impose reasonable conditions and I think that's a reasonable. >> As a side note, Betty Lou, if you want
Starbucks, you just go to stop and shop. There's never anybody in there at the stop and shop. >> Oh, it's closed. I don't work for him anymore, so I didn't get >> cancel that. >> Are there any questions from the audience of Mr. Mcdana's testimony only?
>> I see none. Would one of our board members like to frame a resolution, please? >> Hold on. I'll get Let me get to the right page. All right. Application number 2563 1719 Route 10 LP 1719 route 10 block 200
lot one zone R. Uh approval for a D variance for personal services and recreational instruction >> and a parking variance >> and a parking variance. Sorry. and directional signs >> and directional signs for Betty Lou. >> Why don't we do directional signs
subject to review >> and approval by Mr. Lmanowitz? So, is that okay? >> Yes. >> You going to add that? >> Mr. Chad, too, you want to sign off on the sign? >> Sure. >> Okay. >> All right. I think it may be subject to the directional signs, the uh revision
to the plan showing the correct number of parking spaces and what the variance is granted for. Um oh, and the ID sign that's to be uh fixed in the building >> and conforming. Conforming
>> yes. >> Agreed. >> Agreed. >> Agreed. >> Okay. Second >> yes. >> Yes. >> Nazarella. >> Yes. >> Neglia. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Patience, please. >> Lots of luck. >> Thank you. >> Thank you everyone. >> Thank you. >> I'll stop in for a haircut after my Starbucks >> if I can find it. Yes, it does. It does. >> May I have a motion to adjurnn?
>> Motion to adjourn. >> A second, please. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> Good night. >> Good night. >> Good night. >> Good tonight. >> Good night. there. Okay.