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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: aflCZlu7sZE):
- 00:00:03: Meeting Called to Order: Roll Call and Introductions
- 00:01:17: Public Comment: Mr. O'Neal's Application Scheduling Request
- 00:04:19: Meeting Reconvenes: Roll Call and Agenda Overview
- 00:05:30: Tvetti Application #2466 Rescheduled for a Special Meeting
- 00:09:37: Resolutions: Approving Applications 2610, 2604, 2602, 2565, 2581
- 00:10:30: Application #2540: Mark Tell - Shed Variance Request
- 00:26:27: Public Comment on Tell Application; Board Approves Variance
- 00:28:27: Application #263 Jani: New Single Family Dwelling Variance
- 00:32:31: Engineering Memo Discrepancies: Plans Review and Identification
- 00:37:49: Jani Application Carried to June 3rd Meeting for Clarification
- 00:55:57: Meeting Adjourned, Next Meeting June 3rd, 7:30 PM


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We're on record. Good evening and welcome to the meeting of the township of Pipony Hills of adjustment. It is Wednesday, May 6, 2026, and it is 7:21 p.m. Announcement is made that adequate

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notice of this meeting has been given and that it's being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104-6 at set of the New Jersey Open Public Meeting Act. >> Roll call. Um, Josowitz here. Masarella >> here.

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>> Negati. Okay. Uh, ready >> present. >> Genani >> present. >> We have our board planner, Mr. Chadwick, >> present. >> Board engineer, Mr. Omanowitz, >> here. >> Board attorney, Mr. Johnson, >> here. >> Would you please stand with our board

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and say the pledge of allegiance? >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Is there anyone in the audience

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that would like to speak on something other than is what our that is what that is what is on our agenda this evening? I see none. >> Mr. O'Neal. Yes. >> Yes. >> You want to mention something?

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>> Please come. Oh, >> is this on something that is not on tonight's agenda or is on tonight's agenda? >> Even though agenda with the construction project of 19 Madison Avenue. >> No, that's on the 7th. That's on the

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next meeting. This is the 7:00 meeting. If you're here if you're here to discuss something that's on this the agenda for the 7:30 meeting, that'll come next. >> Okay. >> Mr. O'Neal, how would you like to proceed?

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So, Mr. O'Neal, as as you can see, there's five there's currently five members of the board. This was this meeting was a special session meeting scheduled for 7:00. Uh there are um there's also a 7:30 meeting tonight in

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which there are applications uh that are going to be heard. So given that there's five members on the board here and we're starting at 7:25 instead of 7, um the board should make a decision as to

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whether they want to hear your application tonight, whether you want to carry the application to a later date. Um I think the board is sympathetic to your client's situation that they wanted to start obviously at 7:00 um but didn't have the requisite number of members in

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order to do so. Would it be possible to wait just a few more minutes and see if a six member is going to show up? Is there any anticipation that that might happen? >> That's going to happen. >> Okay. >> Bill, is one of his options to ask to be

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carried to the 7:30 meeting? >> Yeah, I suppose you could ask to be carried to the 7:30 meeting. Yeah, that's a good that's a good idea. >> I would like to do that. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay, then. Um, >> can we would you mind there's two I

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think relatively short >> maybe not since there's objectors applications residentials on the 7:30. Do you want to >> be short? >> Do you want to go to the end of that meeting? You want to start at the beginning of that meeting? >> That's a loaded question. >> They they'll be short, the two

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residentials. >> Okay. So, um, you you you're you're asking that this be carried to the 7:30 meeting? Yes. >> Okay. So, you need a motion and a second. >> May I have a motion, please? >> Motion to carry. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Excuse me. >> Okay. Great.

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>> Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. To your >> You need You need to learn. >> We're on record. >> One moment, please. >> All right. >> You don't have to do the pledge of >> All right. Good evening. Welcome to the meeting of the Township of Precipany

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Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. It is Wednesday, May 6, 2026. and is 7:32 PM. Uh, announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given and that it's being conducted in accordance with NJSA 10 column 4-6 at

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set of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. >> Roll call. Mr. Jos, Mr. Mozarella, >> present. >> Uh, Mr. Pipati, >> Mr. Praapati, >> Mr. Ready, >> present. Chairwoman Gyani >> present.

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>> We have our board planner, Mr. Chadwick. >> Board engineer, Mr. Lammanoitz, >> here, >> and our board attorney, Mr. Johnson. >> Is there anyone in the audience that has any questions on something other than is on our agenda

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for this evening? I see none. >> You have to wait until we get to that application. She's asking anything other than what is on the agenda. >> Mr. O'Neal. >> No, you want to do your resolutions first >> or you want to

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>> Sure. So, before you get we get to tonight's agenda. Mr. O'Neal, can you come off on your client's application, the Tvetti application, uh, which is, uh, 2466. >> Yes. So, um, as you can see, there are

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five members of the board present. Okay. Um, this is, I think, the third time that this board is hearing the application. Um, one of the board members who's present was not present during those prior hearings.

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Despite being provided with the videos, I have no I I I cannot state with certainty that the board member watched the videos. So, that board member is not going to be able to vote on the application this evening.

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Now, there's it seems to me there's two ways to potentially handle this. Okay? Either we carry the whole application for another night and you don't we don't take any testimony tonight. Okay? Or if you want to go through perhaps your planner's testimony tonight and get

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that on the record and then come back at a different time to hear the rest of the application so that you're not bringing your professionals back twice. Um, I don't know how I I have not discussed that. >> Let me ask you a question. Is that even

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Doesn't he know need to know the back info before he gets to hear his info? Do you don't think that's a little important? >> Well, legally, he can't vote on the application. >> No, no, that I get, but he's going to be >> Doesn't he need to know the beginning of the story?

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>> Well, that hopefully he has the the video. >> No, no. My point is that the the plan is going to come up and we have previous information that he doesn't have. >> He has hasn't gonna ask some questions that he doesn't know. We really unfortunately >> It's a good point.

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>> We really should unfortunately >> I was just trying to >> I know it's it's unfair. Yeah, >> we need to be responsible >> to to the the parties presenting. But >> you know I'm coming from >> I think it puts their planner in a

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difficult position in that >> the planner usually addresses outstanding issues and if we haven't had the all of the case but for the planning rationale um

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>> I don't think the applicant gets full value because I was looking Wednesday. >> You know what? We could do a special our next meeting if that works out for event. >> Fair. >> Yes, 100%. We should do that. >> Oh, yeah.

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>> What's When's the next meeting? >> May 20. >> Mr. O'Neal, >> the board just discussed rescheduling this for the next meeting. Special meeting. >> We'll have a special meeting. 8:20 at 700 p.m. >> We We don't want to be unfair and make you wait any longer cuz this is on our

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end. It's nothing. It's not there. It's just not on them. >> We appreciate that. It's carried till >> May 20th at 7:00. >> May 20th. >> May 20th 7:00. >> We those of us up here do apologize to you guys. It's

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>> Thank you. >> Sorry about that. >> We have another meeting. >> So you need to No, we have to >> you need a motion and a second. >> Motion, please. Motion to carry >> with no further notice and all extensions. Correct. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. >> Thank you. And thank you, Mr. and Mrs.

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Trevetti. Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. >> Okay, now back to the regular schedule of program. >> So, you got to watch those videos. >> We had Okay. >> Did not come.

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>> No, Betty. Betty Moon is out of state for her. >> Good evening everybody. >> Good night. Good evening. >> Okay, let's go. >> We're going to do >> resolutions. >> Resolutions. resolutions please.

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>> All right. So we have five resolutions. Uh all the same people can vote. We have application 2610 3 Graham Court 2604 19 miniha 26025 Robert Street 2565

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540 Vale and 2581 354 Kingston Road. Those who can vote are Jositz, Prepati, Ready, and Grenani. Can I have a motion? >> Some moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I

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>> Okay. Application 25 col 40 mark tell 18 Jefferson Avenue block 598 lot 25 zone R4 a C variance to legalize a shed

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contrary to section 430-10 C side and rear yards section 430- I1 I01 and section 430-34 columns 10 and 13. This application was

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carried for March 13th, 2026. Mr. Tell, good evening. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? You can sit down. Just state your name and spell your last name for the record.

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>> Clark tell T L. Okay, Mr. Tell, you've been here a couple of times already. >> Yes. So, the last time that you were here, my recollection is that you were going to come back with some photographs of the inside and the outside of the

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shed and discuss with the board what um modifications that you either had made or were willing to make to the shed. And I I I do recall that with respect to those modifications, you were going to go back to the zoning officer and have

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her recalculate the um uh the uh zone the the variances that you that you still need with respect to this shed. Now, um what have you done since the last meeting? >> Okay, so let's if I can present these.

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>> What is it that you have? It's the uh before and after a couple, but it's it's all the plumbing, the uh the toilet, the shower, and >> so these are pictures of the inside of the shed. >> Yes, >> these are pictures you took yourself. >> Issues of all the appliances are out and things are plugged off.

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>> Okay, so these are How many pictures do you have there? >> I have enough for everyone. >> Okay, so everyone has their own page of pictures. >> ABC and one, two, three. So, >> okay. So, why don't you why don't you >> just We'll pass it out. >> Yeah. Bring it bring them all down to Bring them all down to the board secretary

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>> so she can put an A1 on there with today's date. >> Okay, you can keep what? >> I didn't bring that file. >> It's okay. You can cheat. >> Oh, here I >> Yeah. like just to get enough.

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>> I thought maybe not >> plenty. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, >> there's plenty. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. So, Mr. Tell, why don't you tell the board what they're looking at with respect to these photographs? >> Okay. So, they're not in order. So, so A2 and B2

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is your before of a vanity and toilet. And then if you look at A1 and B1, that's through removal and just plugged up, patched up the floor. Everything is to the capacitor.

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>> Um there was a pump and that's C3 that was like an injection pump. >> So that is now capped off. >> So that that's your plumbing right there. >> No, no, it is Hold on a second. I think it is numbered.

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>> Mine and Mine and yours are different. The numbers, but it's not. >> You have the same number. >> It should be all the same. >> Okay. This was upside down. No worries. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, that shows that the plumbing that was inside the shed has now been removed. Is that correct?

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>> Anything to make it liveable like what what everything was against is now removed. So, back to a storage shed. And then a couple other pictures that show like the tools and whatnot, but um B3 um I think they got it mixed up to where

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they said that was a kitchen. There was never any kind of kitchen uh sink in there or anything. It's just storage. >> At one time there was hot top electric uh stove on top, but there was never any plumbing in there. So I'm just I just have a picture just >> Nora. Can you just let the record

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reflect that the other member that was not here is now here? >> Mr. Modi has arrived. >> Okay. All right. So, go on, Mr. Ch. >> So, I mean, basically, it's pretty selfish. So, the plumbing is is done. It's out. Um, when I when I had the um

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the orchid or not the orchid, the um the surveyor come out there. I had removed the small storage shed that was in the driveway. So, that is up to date. That's gone. >> Do you have a new survey? I had to get

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the survey at very forget it. They wanted >> Nove, do you have a new survey since those changes were made? >> The change was before the first survey. There was no there's no structural changes to need another survey.

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>> Okay. I have >> that was the file has a survey dated May 6th, 2025. Is that the most recent survey? Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. Does that Is there anything that's

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on that survey that is no longer on the property? >> No. >> Okay. So, everything that's on that survey that was presumably the survey that the um zoning officer reviewed still is on the property. Correct. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. So, all the variances that were listed in the July 16th, 2025 board of adjustment review memo are still there. Is that right? >> So, there's been no changes to the overhangs or the sheds or anything.

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Correct. >> The only change before the survey was this picture. It was a storage shed on the driveway that's very close to the fence line and I removed it. >> Okay. This does this this is not on the surve that's not that was not on your

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survey anyways. >> Uh right >> I just have a before picture. >> So all the with respect to the physical layout of the shed. >> Yes. >> It's still in the same place it still

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has the same overhangs etc on it as it did when you made this application >> right >> to the board. Is that correct? Nothing's been modified. >> No. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, >> only the interior taking out everything that can make it liveable.

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>> Okay. So, the So, the variance, you're still requesting the same variances as you originally requested. Nothing's been modified. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, what is it that you want the board to do? You want the board to grant all these variances for you so that you can

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keep everything that's currently existing. that if my recollection is your father installed before he passed away. Okay. >> It's all uh many many many years ago. I have the original uh permits from from

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when he did it all. It is um what's his name here? Oh, 1991. >> What What is that you're showing us? This was the original uh permit that he

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pulled in 1991 for the shed that we're talking about. >> So he now everything was permitted. >> Well, that was what he originally did, right? But >> that doesn't look like a permit, though. >> My my recollection based upon your prior

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testimony is that since then he made he added some overhangs and things like that, right? >> No, they're on there. It's on there. >> Okay. All right. Well, since you're showing the board that what maybe we need to mark that as A2

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>> so that the could that the board can actually look at what it is that you're showing. >> Right. Sorry. I should have made copies of that too. He just showed us >> that thing. >> Yeah. >> I don't know.

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>> Here's a permit. >> Would you like me to get this? >> So, why don't you Nora has the Is that your only copy of it? Uh, yes. >> Okay. Well, you might have to you might have to get a copy from the world later. I'm playing with it.

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>> Yes. >> Nothing's changed. >> So, how you're going to have to decide whether Why don't I come take it down? >> And where? >> Somewhere here. back here. >> I don't recall when was the last time

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anybody lived in the ship. um right before my father called the town and it was for a total of two months. A friend's stepson had nowhere to go. His grandmother died. I put him

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up in in the back and it was for two months and that was right before the first date. >> So you guys put plumbing in there and electric and >> that was all in there. Yeah, >> it was there before. >> Was there before? Yes. >> So somebody lived in there before? >> Nobody was in there? Yeah, it was just

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vacant. Uh, you know, I paid the taxes, everything else from my father. I don't live there. So, I I said, "Okay, here's an opportunity. You know, I make a couple bucks try to alleviate the all the money I paid for him to stay there, me not being there cuz, you know, right, sir. I own the house, whatever." He

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didn't, you know, he's 90 something years old. He didn't want anybody back there. So, he called the towns. He's the one that complained. Oh, there's somebody back there. So, there you go. you know, >> and that's >> he complained on himself. >> I'm sorry.

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>> He complained on himself. >> Uh, yeah, >> because he wanted the guy out. >> Well, because I own it, you know. It's a back and forth thing with my old man and me, you know. >> All right. >> Okay. >> What is What is A2? Do we Did we figure

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out what that was? >> Is it a building permit? There's a uh permit from 1978 for a 20 by 20 foot by 8 uh foot shed. And the second drawn is for a permit

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from 1991 for a new roof and extension. So I don't know if the new roof and extension from a shed for a shed or for the house, >> but it looks like doesn't it look like what was pictured? Well, you see in the front

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corner it uh let me dig some more. I probably might have >> So, so the issue >> Yeah, >> before the board >> Yeah, please. >> is is the shed is is nonconforming both with respect to sideyard and rear

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yard. >> Okay. Um and with respect to that yards and courts open decks, I assume that there's some kind of deck in the back. Yeah. and the shed is pushing the building coverage and the impervious

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coverage over what's allowed. >> Okay. >> So, those those are the issues that were called out by the zoning um officer and it appears based upon the zoning officer's review that this was a code enforcement issue as well because someone was living in the shed at the

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time. >> So, we believe we dealt with the code enforcement. >> Seems like that's been dealt with. >> Okay. And now it's just impervious and >> setbacks and impervious coverage. >> Is there anything in the shed now? >> Use it for anything. >> Storage uh tools. That's woodworking.

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Not anymore, but there's a bunch of tools and storage. >> Do you So if the board asked you to take the shed down, >> oh, >> that would be a disaster. It's built very well and it's huge, you know. I mean, I can't see why that would be

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something that would be need to be done. >> So, is there an actual nor is there any way to find out if we actually have a permit for that 1991 work or is that just a drawing of it or I don't know. >> That's a permit, isn't it? >> No, this is a drawing. >> All right. Well, going through paper

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stamps on it >> from 1991 and it's got it does have a stamp from the construction department. um doing >> but it's not a permit. So at that point would they have had to come before the board of some sort to get that approved or >> I don't know to kind of get on the

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coverage after >> things constructed after. >> You also have a by the way you also have a January 16th 2026 letter from the township engineer about improvements. >> So that I was just going to get to two. >> Yeah. So, first of all, has your

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neighbors, right? Has anybody had issues with water in the past that you know of? >> Is there anybody here or have you had disc first of all, have you had any discussions with your neighbors about the issues that the you did see the letter from the town engineer,

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>> right? And and I have an email that the engineer cleared all that. >> So, didn't that come up before, but we never got it? >> There's a J there's an August 27th, 2025 letter. >> Okay. And there's a January 16th, 2026 letter. Do you all have both of those? >> January 16th. Yes.

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>> He says that he's clear that that it's not problem. >> This is one of those everything happened before 2021 issues. >> Yeah. >> In in the January 16th memo, >> the or the permit was vintage

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1970 something. the original one, >> the permit 78. >> Okay. >> For a 20 foot by 8 foot shed. >> Okay. There's no survey attached to that. >> Just the permit archive.

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>> So, John, do you agree with it that this >> I'm thinking that he has pre-existing nonformity setbacks. >> I mean, it's 40 years ago. >> Yes. So if the my only issue is you did some good stuff getting rid of what we asked

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for, but the is that an injector pump? >> Yeah. >> Why was it capped and not just taken out? >> It's cemented in. I could I could probably take the pump itself out, but the actual container is cemented. >> Cemented. Okay. >> I can fill it with rocks. I mean, it's

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useless. >> I don't know. I mean, I'm leaning towards He did some things that we requested. Yeah. Your neighbors never have water from you. >> No. >> And you have no water issues? >> Nothing. And no one's here to object, I guess. >> I don't know.

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>> Hold on. >> Stop talking. No. >> Well, obviously, Mr. Tell, you would agree that the shed is never to be used for habitation. Correct. >> Very clear.

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I I guess I have no problem. I think he did what he had to do. >> Are there any questions from the board of this application? >> Anyone in the audience would like to speak on the testimony that Mr. Tell has

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given on his application. I see none. Is there anyone in the audience that is opposed to this application? I say none. >> Would our members please make a

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recommendation for approval? >> Yeah, you know, I think I'm going to recommend approving it. I think Mr. Tell did do just about everything we asked him to do. It's kind of a messed up situation. It goes back a long time. His father's deceased. The people are not living there anymore.

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>> I thought Oh, he's not. Okay. >> Okay. >> That was my mistake. I'm I apologize for that. Um but we seem like we we came to a reasonable um rectification of the issues. >> So I I I'll be voting for it.

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>> Would one of our members like to frame a resolution please? Application 25 colon 40 mark 18 Jefferson Avenue block 598 lot 25 zone R-4 to issue seance to legalize the

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shed con contrary to section 430-10 C side and radar section 430-10 I and section 430-34 column 10 and 13 >> second assume that The conditions are

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that the plumbing shall not be returned to the shed. >> No one shall live there. >> And no one shall live. Correct. >> Temporary or permanent. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Masarella, >> yes. >> Modi, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes.

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>> Yes. Applications approved. You will be receiving a letter from the township. At that time, you may go for your >> I appreciate very much. >> Let's get Yeah. get his own. >> Good luck. >> You want the rest, please? I'll take back the archive.

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>> No, that's part of the record. >> That's in the record. >> Good luck. >> Good evening. Thank you. Application 26 col3 Jani 19 Madison Avenue block 605 lot 9

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zone R4 a C variance to construct a new single family dwelling with attached garage roofed front porch shed deck patio and other site improvements contrary to section 430-35

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columns 3 and 10 section 430 275X. Good evening, Mr. Jack. >> You raise your right hand, please. You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing. Yes, sir. >> State your name, spell your last name, please. >> Jani Rakkesh.

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>> Could you please bring the microphone closer to you? >> Close to you. >> Jani Rakkesh. >> Okay. And are you the only one that's going to be testifying this evening? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, do you have any professionals with you today? An architect, engineer, or

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anything like that? No. >> So, why don't you tell the board what it is that you're here for? >> Why are you here? >> Can you hold the microphone closer? >> I just would like that variance to be approved. That's >> But what do you want to do on the

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property? What are you proposing to do on the property? >> New house construction. >> So, so to be more clear, you're coming to us. We know your intention is to build a house, but you are asking for exemptions to var to to what's on the books for what you're allowed to do. So,

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you need to give a little bit of detail on why you need it and we should approve it. Um >> before you before you respond Scott maybe you ought to try to deal with some of the simple parts of this application.

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>> One of the barriers is lot width. You can see from the survey that the property is enjoining the possibility that the other and if you read general

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it's a little different than the normal it is here that they comply the bottom line says we allowed building coverage is 22.5. >> He's proposing 22.3.

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>> Yeah. So, it would appear that that variance although without the additional 100 square ft which is part of the ordinance, it wouldn't comply but it does comply with that provision.

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So it would seem to me um no that that var that variance >> is acceptable >> is is not a variance of the code. >> Oh >> so building coverage

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>> so the other the other outstanding variance would be the positioning of the driveway and I think you need to discuss that because it's kind of odd the way it's drawn anyway. So get let's get back to the building coverage issue.

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>> So the proposed building coverage is 22.31%. Right. But and and then we're presuming that that includes that 100 square foot shed. >> Yes.

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>> Right. Yes. And is that is that reflected on the is there a zoning chart on the plans? Is that is that what the plans show? Madam chair, can I cut in here for a second because I think we have another we have a more overreaching issue. Uh we

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have two memos from the engineering department. >> Yeah. Both of which reference a site plan by Thomas G. Stern's PE uh and the other and one specifically says DB engineering. The plans that we have have

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absolutely no identification on who prepared them. So, the plans that the engineering department reviewed are not the plans that we're looking at right now. >> Oh, that's not good. >> Uh there's there's no identification on who prepared this.

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>> Um >> none of the plans, right? The survey >> there's there's there appears to be a copy of a survey on here. I'm seeing items like point of beginning which would suggest that this that this is a copy of a survey. However, the setbacks

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are given in feet and inches, which is very unusual. The only architects do that. Um, but there's no survey reference on this plan. Again, there's no author reference on this plan. So, I'm not sure how we can >> if we're reviewing plans that are

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different than what the engineer reviewed. >> Good catch. Does the Tom did the engineer say he's satisfied with the plans? >> Yeah. >> But we don't know what plans he saw. >> Well, he saw this. He the the township

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engineer reviewed plans uh by GB Engineering specifically Thomas Stern who is a PE a professional engineer and I know him to also be a land a land surveyor. >> Good. The plans we have aren't ident. And it's and setbacks are given in feet

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and inches which an engineer or a surveyor will never do. >> But I have plans with you >> speak into the microphone. >> They can't hear. >> I have done my uh site plans completed with GD >> but it's not doesn't say that anywhere

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on here on the plane. We have >> Oh, I'm surprised. Um, I do have sign and sealed with me. >> Do you have a copy of that drawing? >> Uh, that signed and sealed. >> Um, yes, I do. Um, it's in my car. Can I

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bring it? >> It's got to be on the record 10 days prior. >> It's got to be submitted to the board for other people to review it. I mean what I was told by zoning department that once this variance will

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be exempted I will then have it approved with site planner have them seal and uh seal and sign again and then resubmit to zoning >> as a final final one I have done it uh

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that's uh the existing plans on this uh maps it's actually being done by architect based on the site plan I have prepared with GB engineering. I was told by zoning department that

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once board approves your uh variances let's say for example if they do not have any questions I will then have it again revisit GB meeting to have them update the plans and have it still sign and

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resub >> but we can't ask you questions about the plans if we don't have the actual plan right I mean there's no there's no way for us to look at or question anything >> in reference to the variance if we don't have the actual plan to look at >> and I think Mr. Johnson said it really

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has to be 10 days before. >> Correct, sir. >> They have to be submitted so that members of the public, if they're interested, >> have the opportunity to review your plans >> and there's definitely people here interested. So, >> and the problem is uh the site plan does not have the sheet on the

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>> there's no name on it. >> There's there's there's nothing there's no name on the survey. There's no name on the plant. >> Your architect drew this out and didn't sign didn't put his name on it. Didn't >> make it official seal. Didn't do anything. So, so the the the the crux of

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the issue is that the board doesn't know that the engineer looked at the same plans that the board is being asked to look at and approve. That's the ultimate issue, right, Mr. Lanist? That's >> that's correct. And and if an architect

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did prepare this, he took the survey and didn't acknowledge it, which is it's required that when you take a survey and put it on your plan, it's required by state statute that you reference that survey and provide a sign and sealed copy of it. >> It's not just that all those are totally

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valid, but if you have objectors, what are they looking at? >> Yeah, they they don't know that they're looking at the same thing that the engineer looked at. So you're going >> which could be better or worse for you. Maybe whatever the engineer has would be better

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>> for them. They don't know. >> Well, one of the one of the comments that the township engineer made is that there's dry rails proposed and there's no drywalls on this plan. >> Okay, there you go. So, it does not appear that the board is going to be able to hear your application.

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Okay. Um, I would suggest that you go back to your engineer and your architect and you have them resubmit full sets of signed and sealed plans to the board secretary.

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Um, before your next hearing. >> At least 10 days. >> Yeah. at least 10 days before your next hearing so that if there's members of the public that are interested, they have an opportunity to review it and so that the board is satisfied that the comments they're getting from the engineer reference the same plan that

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they're being asked to approve. Okay. >> Do we also suggest that some people do bring their engineer or their architect with them? I I I personally think it's beneficial when you have a what may be a complicated application that you have a

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professional come with you to be able to answer questions that either the board or neighbors might have about for example how is the storm water management system going to work? Is it going to prevent water from going onto my property? You're not able to answer

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those questions because you're not an engineer. You just >> you just said there's no storm water management and our engineers saying there's dry wells, >> right, Tom? >> Well, there's two there's two reports and it's a little strange. >> Hold on.

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>> There's two reports. One dated April 20th. >> What is the date on that? >> I'm sorry. Go ahead, Tom. >> Okay. Sit down. >> One is dated April 20th and it references the January 23rd, 2026 plan by GB Engineering. That one says that

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the applicant proposes a dry well. Uh it makes some statements about uh the sump pump and the soil moving permit and uh curb detail. Then there's another memo April 30th, 10 days later, 2026 referencing the same

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January 23rd, 2026 plan by Thomas G. Stern, which I I know that's GB engineering. Um and then there it talks about a decrease in imperous surface um and that storm water management is not required. So my question is

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I've got two memos here referencing the same plan. One says there's a drywall, one says doesn't need a drywall. >> And they don't explain why it was changed their opinion if if that was all true.

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Well, it says that the April 30 it said is a 246 square ft decrease in imperous surface. >> Okay. >> But we don't know, >> but it doesn't I don't I don't know if maybe the the April 30th was a revised

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plan that no longer shows the drywall. I'm not I don't know. >> Okay. So, we need to find out. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We should go with the latest one, right? Well, we should go with the one >> that's referencing the plans that is that the applicant wants you to approve,

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>> right? >> Yes. >> And you need to clarify whether the area of the shed was or was not included in the calculation. >> You did? >> It did. >> How do you know that?

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>> My architect did confirm to me that it did include in the building coverage. Does it show? Does that show on any of the plans? >> It does show on the architect plans. >> Okay. Those are the ones that I he

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didn't signing >> on the zoning chart. Um on the large PL the large plan >> shows uh uh tabulate tabulates all of the impervious cover in the shed is on there. >> Okay.

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>> So that doesn't show >> that question is answered then >> but it doesn't show the percentage of lot coverage as proposed. It just shows the raw number >> 1785. Right. >> Okay. Right, John?

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>> Right. I mean, it says required is 20%, it says 1,600 square ft. So, anything over 1,600 ft surve >> maybe like >> right here. >> Yeah. So, how is it not? >> Yeah, I see. And then but then proposed

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is 1785. So, that's 185 square ft over >> more than just the 100 foot shed. We don't know that percentage. We can figure it out. >> Yeah. I mean, it's just me. >> Yeah. So, it's more than just a shed that's put >> more than just the shed that's pushing

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it over, >> right? >> I mean, those uh concrete walkways uh covered porch. So, I think that is what that that was also included in that uh building coverage. I was told that covered porch is the part of building

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coverage. Well, the bottom line is the bottom line is you're going to have to come back. Yeah. >> Okay. >> And you're going to have to make sure that the signed and sealed plans that you wish the board to review and approve are the ones that are on file at least

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10 days before the hearing. And I would strongly recommend that you come back with a professional to be able to answer questions about your plans. But I'm surprised right now that when I came

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with five copies of sign and silk, I was told that please have your architect update the plan as per what you required on your property and submit it. And at that time I was not asked to submit signal site plans.

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Even I did have resubmitted those my plans to zoning department. >> So So here's the thing. We have a site plan but this doesn't show >> who this is prepared by whom? >> No no no I don't have a site plans which sign and stems.

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>> Why didn't you submit those? >> I'm surprised I was not asked for that. >> Who has to ask you you have to apply right? >> I I I did apply and and again two times I have submitted. >> There's a check there's a checklist. It

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specifically says what you compiled >> and that is what I have done. >> And it says surveys. >> Yes, >> that is. Why would I? >> This is not a survey. This is an architect's drawing. >> I understand. >> Using somebody else's survey. >> Why would I pay $400 $4,500 to G

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engineering for uh just for nothing? >> No, no, that is true. But the you know it's not as per proper submission you know properly the latest one what you are proposing should be on the file for us to review

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if it's not there >> then on what basis we going to decide >> the the drainage issue where we have one letter talking about drywalls and a second letter 10 days later saying you don't need

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because of that 2021, >> right? Which plan should he bring back? >> Whatever one he wants to build. No >> plan that he wants to build >> the latest. >> We We need to see the January 23rd, 2026

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plan that the April 30th report seemed to be um >> referencing. Yeah, >> we may want to note down this date that would include the dry. >> Well, it seems that a drywall is shown

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on that unless the second letter was a somebody forgot to change the date of the report and maybe and maybe that maybe the second letter was a revised version of the first. I don't know. We can't we can't really say. >> This is just last Monday. I was I was I got a call from

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>> why why we have two letters just can you explain? I honestly speaking um uh this is something this letter I um was um I I got a call from township engineer and they said that Resh for what reason you

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have had this storm worker and everything have been done because you are anyway within the impervious coverage maybe you are decreasing your impervious coverage >> I mean uh why would GB engineering charge you so much it's it's nothing

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they should have actually called me and uh discuss with me. I would have said them, "No, you do not need some water." >> Oh, >> so you took the storm water. Your engineer took the storm water off the plane. >> Okay. >> So, there's a >> My engineer should supposed to call,

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>> but that that's not reference to these letters now. >> I don't know. Like I said, made it's possible that the township engineer >> did made a copy of the first letter to make the second and forgot to change the date of the plan. >> Yeah, maybe. >> Well, by the way, the plan

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>> there's a lot of different things that could have happened. >> The plan is dated March 5th, 2026. >> January 23rd, 2026. >> Well, the plan the plans that we have aren't prepared by GB engineering. So, it's not >> right. Even if there's some confusion,

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we are telling you what you need to do. >> Yeah. They they what you plan to build, >> what you plan to build and want to build on that property needs to be give turned in. >> They need to look at it. The engineers, I assume, right? To make sure everything's copetthetic and we need to

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see those plans to be able to hear this. >> So, all you just need the site site uh site plan signed and said, correct? >> Well, we need the but the right plans. We also need to address this issue with the dry wells and these two letters. >> There is no dry wells required.

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>> No, no, but you're not here. But we have conflicting information. So that needs to be cleared up. It's not just us. If you have neighbors that have questions or objecting, they need to have proof so that when you answer them, they could see it. It might help your cause. They

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might think it's worse than it's going to be. And you could show them, hey, this is what we're doing and you won't have problems. So it could probably work out for your favor. This is not a big thing maybe if you just get everything in order. And we're sorry if there was any confusion,

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but you know the plans that we have are not >> what we should have. >> What I need tonight is like a step by step what you want me to come but next time so that I now >> I think they answered we need the signed

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and sealed plans >> site plans >> for what we need to look at. >> Okay. We need to address the letters. Correct, Tom? >> Correct. >> Okay. Is there anything else that we need? And maybe you should have, like Mr. Johnson said, a professional,

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especially if you think you might have an objector, could help you because if you start your testimony with, I want, that's not a great answer to getting a variance. It's I need and this is why I need or this is not the problem that you

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think it is. And a professional would probably answer that better than you probably. But that's just you don't have to do it. It's up to you. >> But the only the only reason I'm testifying myself just because the very first variance is 40 to 50 ft which is

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existing non-firm for me. I cannot buy 10t land from my next doors. No one will be ready to give it to me 10t from left or right. So like I said if you feel comfortable answering the questions that's on you. >> And the second second one is uh the

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driver side effect. Let's say for example if I'm not allowed to do that driver set back which is allowed zero I mean proposing I'm zero but there should be required 5T from the property line. I will then add the same 5 foot at

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coverage on the right hand side. I'm ready to do that. The third one is I'm just going over by just 79%. I don't think I don't I do need professional to answer these three small point >> then present the case yourself >> that's okay present the case yourself

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that's fine >> okay so just for the site plans and sign and sales plans I have >> you need to get a straightened out with the engineer that last letter confuses everything so you need a verification

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from the township engineers office that the plan sees review the date that the preparer survey as well. >> Yes. >> So you need >> to confirm that and then

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>> uh do we solve the problem with the uh coverage calculation? No. >> Yeah, the coverage is all is all itemized out here nightly actually. >> So they do need a variance. >> Yeah, they need a variance for uh building coverage

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>> and it's and it's is that the 185 square ft? >> Yes. Okay, >> you're going to have to justify >> as per what I see allowed is 21.25. I'm proposing 22.31. So in the note below what I'm reading

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due to the zoning audience which states access and storage shed may cover an additional 100 square footage over and above the maximum building coverage permitted in the distance. The allowed building coverage is 22.5%

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20% plus 1.25%. So I'm not going that much. >> Here here's the issue. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Still got to get approval for it. >> You you you get basically you get an extra 100 square ft. >> Okay. >> Because of the shed. >> Okay. >> Okay. That is um you get that. Okay. But

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you're not just asking for another 100 square feet. You're asking for another 185 square feet. So there's 85 square ft >> that you still need the building coverage variance for. >> Okay. >> Okay. Have I >> Is that correct? >> Yes, I got it right, Tom.

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>> So you understand? So you still do need a variance for building coverage. Okay. But the the the issue that the board I think is struggling with is they're not entirely clear as to whether you do or you do not need storm water management

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issues. And that is a it seems like maybe you don't, but that is an issue that I know the board is very interested in and I'm I would suspect that your neighbors might also need some assurance that whether you're going to how you're going to deal with storm water and and

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again in the April 30th it says if there's no increase in imperous surface since March of 21, storm water management is not required. So that's but again we don't know we don't have the plan he was looking at when he said that

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>> so I think um there should be a communication from township engineer to office that's what I guess >> you can beat that all you want have the right plan >> whatever the case we are where we're at >> so I would suggest taking heed not giving us a lecture on what we might

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need we understand >> but we don't have what we need so let's move forward so we can get this >> and when can I expect the next date maybe after 2 months So, three months. >> You're going to find out right now. >> Okay. >> Norma, may we carry this application, please? >> I think May 20th is probably too soon. I

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mean, we probably So, uh, June 3rd should probably be enough time. >> So, that would be less than a month. >> 7:30 than two or three like you thought. >> Can you make it possible within the date? 10 days before you

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>> June 3rd, we have to submit everything. >> No, I haven't. process a sign and sales plan in my car. I was not >> and also not only that maybe you need to talk to the engineer the >> our engineer may have to get the plans

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10 days advance then he will may come right >> well I don't review these this is a single family I don't review them I just I kind of sit here and make sure that in case this happens >> um >> so you earn your money tonight >> but they they have to um >> the right ones >> we're just getting some clarifications I

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can call I can call the township engineer tomorrow. >> Great. >> And tell them what happened. >> What happened? >> And so we I can get them on the same page. >> Great. >> Okay. So, when do we have a date? >> June 3rd. What time? >> June 3rd. 7:30. >> 7:30. >> Okay. So, if there's any members of the

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public that are here on this application, this application is being carried to June 3rd of 2026 at 7:30. You're not going to get any further notice of that. >> No, you're not going to get any. This is

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your notice right now. >> It's your first Wednesday of the month. >> June 3rd at 7:30. >> You're not going to get a notice. >> June >> 6 3:26 7:30. >> Okay. >> Okay.

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>> Do you need a motion? >> May we have a motion, please? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Mr. Johnny, we will see you on June 3rd at 7:30 in the evening. And sometimes it's helpful for applicants who see that

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there are neighbors who might have questions about their application to have conversations with those neighbors. >> Just a suggestion. >> Well, these these are the people that came and it's a good idea possibly to speak with them. >> Great idea counselor. >> Sometimes it helps.

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>> I know. Why they out of here? >> You don't they don't need to know. >> We don't need to know. >> We don't need they don't need to know. But if you have conversations with your neighbors, sometimes it helps. >> Yes. >> Yes. A motion to adjourn.

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>> All in favor? >> Good evening. >> And our next meeting starts at 7:30. Please be here a few minutes before. >> Yes, is at 7 o'clock.

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>> The next meeting is Trevetti, right? Yep. >> No, no, no. Your 7:30. >> Are they going to be able to see the map? You know, the planning >> that'll be available at Isn't it available? He has the the applicant has been told to submit the plans