big and it's stuck. >> We're on record. >> Good evening and welcome to the meeting at the Township of PC Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. It is Wednesday, December 10th, 2025 and it is 7:30 p.m.
Roll call. We have Mr. Jawitz >> here. >> Miss Naglia >> here. >> Mr. Petty >> here. >> Mr. Quinn >> here. >> Mr. Ready >> present. Chairwoman Grani >> present. >> We have our board planner, Mr. Chadwick, >> present.
>> Our board engineer, Mr. Lammanoitz, >> here >> and our board attorney, Mr. Johnson. >> Announcement is made to adequate notice that this meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104- set of the New Jersey Open Public
Meetings Act. >> Would you please stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Mr. Ch, do you swear or affirm that any testimony that you get tonight should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, Mr. Manith, do you swear or affirm that any testimony that you get tonight should be the truth, the whole truth? >> Yes, I do. Thank you. Is there anyone in
the audience that would like to speak on something other than is what on our agenda this evening? I see none. >> Miss Jolie, please. All right. We're going to go through our resolutions. The first two uh we'll do as a group.
Application 2557 6 Harden Court and application 2562 9 Anon Road. Uh those who can vote are Okay. Uh, ready made a motion. Have a
second. Just uh neg Neglia Petty. Okay. >> All right. And all in favor? >> I >> I >> And our last resolution application 2245 199 New Road 219. >> Second.
>> Duskowit. >> I. >> Petty. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Griani. >> Yes. Thank you. Application 25 col 54
Patel 105 Lemore Drive block 206 lot 21 zone R3 a C variance to construct a one-story addition twotory additions a second story addition over
an existing onestory and two balconies contrary to section 430-35 columns four and 10. Sir, >> hi. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth,
and do nothing? >> Yes. >> What's your name? >> My name is >> Spell your last name. >> D A T. >> You can have a seat. Just use the microphone. >> I'm Dr. Dick. >> Gotcha. Um I I figured that. Uh do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
truth? State your name. Spell your last name, please. >> John Randelle. >> Can you spell your last name, please? S A N D A L. >> Great. Thank you. Could you have a seat? Just make sure the microphone's close to you. >> Okay. I was hoping to have something to show my drawings if you have my drawings
with you. So, I just walk you through those. Can you hear me better now? just quickly walk you through the >> So before you start, just give us the benefit of your qualification so I can qualify you as a >> I uh I'm licensed in for since uh 2008.
I've been practicing since then. I have u master's degree in architecture. I have a bachelor's degree in architecture and um I have been I have appeared in front of this board a few times and uh many other boards in the in
Morris County um um and and Bergen County and other counties around mostly northern New Jersey. >> And you're licensed. >> It's in in order. >> Yep. And it's in good standing, correct? >> Okay, great. You're qualified now. Go ahead. Thank you.
Um Okay. So, um it's a it's a standard central hall colonial uh with all the common areas on the first floor, twocar garage. Um and and the second floor has uh four
bedrooms and uh uh uh two bathrooms. um a master bedroom that is that was uh the homeowner deemed it to be very small and they thought that the bedrooms have a potential to be expanded. So uh the main
reason of this expansion was that there is no bedroom on the first floor and they wanted to add a bedroom suite on the first floor for their parents. um um the homeowners their parents live with
them most of the time. So um so once we started working on it they realized that they they can they would like to expand their living room also. So basically if you look at the first floor all the I mean looking towards the house on the
right side is not being touched. We are just expanding making the living room a little uh larger and then we are adding a unit for the parents on the left side of the house that has a bedroom and a bathroom
attached and a and a small walk-in closet and and um uh and they wanted a separate laundry. They did not want them to be walking through that because the main laundry to the house is being moved
to the second floor in this modification of the house. So they they wanted to add a smaller laundry with the master suite. >> There's only one kitchen, right? >> Yeah. No, there's only one. >> But did you say unit like a separate unit?
>> No, no, no. Not a separate unit. A separate um like a junior suite. I would say it's it's a junior suite that has see typically when you have a attached on suite bathroom with with a um closet
it is called a a suite like just like a master suite that has on suite bathroom and uh and and walk-in closets. So this is basically a junior for the parents only >> and there's no separate entrance for
>> there is no separate entrance. There is no separate >> ent. They have to come through the main. >> Yes. Yes. Absolutely. They have I mean I couldn't make it any better. I don't like the way they're going to go in there, but they have to walk through the living room to get to their bedroom and
and it was acceptable by the homeowner. >> Good. >> Did you happen to see the letter from the township engineer? >> Excuse me. >> Yes. Yes, we did. Okay. >> He did and and the homeowner they talked to the engineer they resolved the issue
they are going to provide the dry uh dry wells as required for any kind of extra you know uh water runoff >> and uh there is another uh very there it says that is there any way to reduce the
impervious coverage >> so sorry can I step in >> y so that um I I did speak here. He was worried about the imperious coverage because of the water flow at huge kind of grading and stuff like that. Um I spoke to him. I assured him he reviewed
it. There's no grading. It's a flat level. Um he sent a revised memo to the board. I I don't I'm not sure if you have it. Um he sent a revised memo. >> Do you see it? >> There is a revised memo. November 24th.
>> Is that Abby? No, >> that's one. >> You all have it. >> Is it one after the 24th? >> One after the >> November 24th. >> The latest memo we have is November 24th, >> right?
>> And it's still asking for a TOEFL map. No here I have >> okay then I do not want >> I have a copy from December 5th memo >> from Justin
>> and uh I think you should have a copy you want >> one no we need to for that >> I just have one copy I thought you already have that >> that's got to be introduced doesn't it have to be introduced >> has to be introduced
They were sent to the town on December 5th. >> They don't have it. >> What is in the back side of it? >> What is on the back? >> There's nothing on the back of it. >> Is that an email you received
>> to the town to Nora and Jen? >> You want me to read it? >> Yeah, sure. We can read it. >> Yeah. I have a report in front of me from Justin Leer, Township of Engineer, dated 12525 referencing this application.
In the followup to our November 24 memo to the board, we met with Mr. Patel to review our comments. Mr. Patel agreed to install a drywall to mitigate the increase in storm water runoff from the proposed construction. He will provide
this office with a design for our review and approval prior to the start of construction. A test pit will also be excavated once the construction begins. Mr. Patel is also applying for a minor
soil moving permit. No significant changes in grade are proposed. >> Looks good to me. >> Y was it was this is this in the file? Is this in your file? >> No. No, I know. Okay. Just double check and see if I did receive it.
>> I think we Well, >> is it looking? >> Yeah, she's looking. >> Laura's looking. >> Um, you know what? Uh, I do have it. >> Okay. Okay. somehow in this. It's okay. >> We don't have to mark. >> Hey, all good.
>> Okay. >> Who said the hard copy time? >> We have it. >> Great. >> Are there any? >> So, just to just for the record, >> you are agreeable to um do the storm water mitigation measures that you discussed with the council of engineer
and you you agreed to make that a condition of your approval. Correct. >> Yeah. Great. >> He he just wanted assurance I don't spread the soil that we dig out. where you're going to get you're going to get a soil moving permit. >> Yes. >> And you're going to take it also. >> Yep. And you're going to install a dry
well to deal with the storm water mitigation measures. Correct. >> Correct. >> Are there any questions from the board on the testimony just presented by the >> by the architect? >> I do. You have anything else? >> Do you have anything else? >> I can just finish it up. Go to the
second floor. So, so, so the second floor, we made the two of the bedrooms a little larger and that does not really impact any zoning because they are going to be on top of the existing garage. On the other side,
we we just made the uh master uh suite a little more comfortable for the homeowner and provided a balcony for them. And the same the balconies are are are cosmetic as well as uh um a kind of
a request by the owners and u so so the laundry has been moved upstairs. Uh they have now two uh goodsiz walk-in closet and and a and a comfortable size master bathroom and with a little sitting area slash a nursery slash an office attached
to their uh um uh they they needed it because they have a little child and and uh which once the child moves out they're going to probably use it for for an office comes sitting area. So, so we just modified the master bedroom on on
top and so so uh part of the house is two sto the expansion is twotory and and the um the the the 12 ft towards the house is twotory and and 12 ft and 75 um
uh is single story uh where the uh bedroom is. Uh so we have two variances. One is a lot coverage and uh since since the um uh master bedroom and the since the uh guest bedroom and the expansion
of the living room had to be in the uh uh first floor. So there wasn't really much option. Uh but uh and and the front yard, the only reason for the front yard reduction is that uh the home homeowner
wanted to align the expansion with the house and the house is on a at an angle on the side. So in in our effort to align it with the house, the existing 14.2 2 ft uh setback got reduced just by
a little bit. >> Okay. So the house doesn't exactly follow the line of the street. Correct. >> It does not. It it it it's not parallel to the street. >> Okay. So in in order to make the house one specific. >> Yes. >> Equally across. Yes. You had to encroach
a little bit into the front yard separate. Is that correct? >> That's correct. Okay. >> Your testimony is complete. >> Yes. Any questions from the board? >> Can I say something or? >> Yeah, I have one question please. >> Yeah. Um, this is to architect. So is
once the house is complete, this is five bedroomedroom house. >> This is going to be a five bedroomedroom house. >> Four existing bedrooms and one additional bedroom on the first floor. >> So it was one bedroom to initially for the house. >> Excuse me. >> It was onebedroom house initially before the expansion on the second floor.
>> There there was four bedrooms on the second floor. >> Okay. and and uh so so we are uh we are not really adding a bedroom on the second floor. We are just enlarging and and uh modifying the existing bedrooms on the second floor.
>> So there will be four bedrooms on the second floor and and one additional bedroom on the first floor. Thank you. >> I have a question from the board. >> Are there any questions from the audience in the testimony given this
evening? Please come forward. >> Make sure you use the microphone >> and just state your name. >> Mike Oer. >> What's How do you spell your last name? >> OC K E R. >> And where do you live? >> 107 Lemore Drive. Next door. >> So, this is a chance for you to ask questions. Yes. Of the architect who
just testified. So, um, with relation to the storm water runoff and the dry wells and and grading living next door, we both know we get water there. I just want to make sure that there won't be any additional grading towards my property that would potentially have
additional water runoff onto my propert. >> The homeowner just testified that there won't be any uh grading modification and any additional water runoff is going to be taken care of >> with with the drywalls. >> Mhm. These agreed to install drywalls as requested by the township engineer.
>> Okay, great. Thank you very much. >> Did that answer your question? >> Yes, it did. >> Okay. >> Any other questions from the audience of this testimony? Please come forward. >> Please use the microphone. State your name. >> Bethad, 109 Lemore Drive.
>> Can you spell your last name, please? >> E I S E N B U D. So, this is a chance for you to ask questions of the witness. >> I'm just trying to understand. They're one of the things they're doing is an addition above the garage. >> No. Well, yes, we are expanding a little
bit. You're making the existing bedrooms uh a little larger. So, they uh it's going to expand on top of the garage. >> Okay. >> In the notice, it said something about a one-story edition and a twostory edition. >> Yes. What is the twotory
>> on on the left on the left side of the house is a twotory edition uh where we are we are making the existing living room a little bigger and then on top of that expansion uh where we have a second floor expansion to make the master bedroom a little more comfortable.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions of this witness and the testimony given this evening? I see none. Sir, did you want to say something? >> Yeah, I just wanted to I don't take too much of anyone's time, but um I just wanted to say that the architect said my
parents live with me most of the times. My parents live with me all the time since we moved in. Actually, all four of our names are in the house. Um and now we have two little kids, a three-year-old and a one-year-old. And my grandmother comes over from India 6 months out of the year, too. So, it's
pretty pretty there's seven people in there at times. And that was the reason for this expansion. And the main reason was my my grandmother's immobile, but my mother, she's legally handicapped. Like she works she still works full-time. She works at Macy's. Um but she has
rheumatoid arthritis. Um and it's only going to get worse as she gets older now. And she already kind of has trouble going up the steps. She she could be on she could have been on disability 10 years ago, but she refused. She's like, "No, I'm going to work." So she still works to this day full time, but she's legally handicapped.
>> Yes. But your architect said that that's why that bedroom on the first floor has been added. May I ask where is your grandmother going to stay? >> She she's in and out because my dad has a lot of brothers. So sometimes she'll come for 2 months, sometimes she'll come for 3 months >> and she will stay with your your family.
>> Yeah. And we don't we don't have an exact plan for that yet, but we squeeze her in right now whenever she's over. >> She's going to be squeezing. >> So my my dad she splits time between my dad's brother's houses. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak in opposition to
this application? I see none. Anyone in favor of this application? I see none. Would uh one of our members >> Yeah, I think it's a good application. I think you you know, you're looking to take care of your extended family. You
are agreeing with the township engineer to uh install the drywalls. you're not going to impede or create a bigger problem from your for your neighbors. So, I will be voting for it. >> Okay. Would someone like to please frame a resolution? >> Let me do it. Mhm.
>> Thank you, Mr. Ready. Application 25 col 54 Anup and Archa Pel 105 Aluminina web block 206 lock 21 zone R-3 to issue or grant a seance to construct
one story addition uh twotory additions second story addition over an existing onetory and two balcon is cont to section 430-35 column 4 and 10 and in conformance with
the town engineers uh memo. >> Second. >> Dro, >> yes. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Neglia, >> yes. Patty, >> yes. >> Quang, >> yes. >> Randy,
>> yes. >> Yes. Your application has been approved. >> Thank you. >> And you will be re you will receive confirmation at that time. You may apply for your permits. >> Thank you. Thank you. Lots of luck. Application 25 col 60 Cosmo Builders LLC
213 Lakeshore Drive block 596 lot 25 zone R4 a C variance to construct a new single family dwelling with attached garage and open deck with steps
contrary to section 430 -35 columns 3 and 10 and section 430-101. >> Good evening. Good evening. >> Oh, Mr. Sheffers. >> Yes, we're so close here. It's very warm. >> For the record purpose, my name is Steven Shephus. I'm the applicants attorney. I'm here on behalf of Builders
LLC, your property owner. May I be seated? Of >> course. >> Okay. Uh, in conjunction with the application, we cause to be submitted some documentation, which I'd just like to touch on before we get into the witnesses because I think the documentation is going to allay a lot of
the u questions that may otherwise come forth and perhaps streamline the application. Um, initially as part of the application form and attached to it, I provided a copy of the tax records uh from the county of Morris Board of Taxation which reflects that the subject
um home on the property was constructed in 1932. We provided you some photographs of the houses as it exists today. It's like a one-story kind of hobble and um in the chain of title which I provided as part of my certification uh entitled certification of Steven C.
Shepus Esquire. I provided the chain of title going back uh to 1932. I also provided a copy of the file map from 1932. This uh property is the product of two lots that were 25 ft wide on that file map from 1932. Map number 921
uh recorded with the Mars County Clerk on April 19th, 1932. The deeds in the chain uh reference the map and the deeds reference their lots uh 30A and 30B, both being 25 ft wide. The majority of the neighborhood consists of lots that are 50 ft wide.
So, this was two lots. The way it worked before the 1953 planning act, you would have these uh maps filed and they would have lots whether they be 25 ft or 50 ft wide and you would go to the sales office and buy one, two, three or four
of them at a at a clip. The map was used primarily for sales purposes. Often people would go and buy contiguous lots whether it be two, three or four. So in this instance uh our predecessors have entitled purchase two lots contiguous to one another lots 20 uh 30A and 30B. As a
result we have a 50-ft lot. If you look at the tax map which is also attached to the application you'll see that the majority of the lots on the street and in the neighborhood are 50 ft wide. It seems that the common practice was to pick up two lots. Now oddly enough the lot immediately adjacent to us is 100 ft
wide. They must have bought four lots and there's a much larger house immediately contiguous to us right next door and that um I believe it's 211 Lakeshore. Uh that house is about 3,800 ft². So it's about 1,000 ft over what we're proposing. So it's substantially
larger. So for that reason, we feel that this is not going to be imposing on the uh neighborhood. Uh seated to my right is Frank Matarazzo. Mr. Matarazzo is a licensed professional engineer. He prepared the plans in conjunction with tonight's application. He's also a licensed professional planner. Um, so I'm going to ask that Mr. uh, Matarazzo
be sworn and that uh, place his credentials on the record if the board is satisfied that you accept them in both of those professions. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> State your name despite your last name, please.
>> Frank Matarazzo. M A T A R A Z O. >> Okay. Mr. Mr. Morazzo, could you briefly state your credentials on the record as a professional engineer and a professional planner? >> Sure. I'm uh have a sorry, how many times have you appeared before this board? >> Many many times.
>> Okay. I asked >> previously qualified. Correct. >> Well aware of Mr. Maserati. >> License is in good standing. >> Yes. >> All right. Let's talk about what's out there today and then what's proposed and if you could address the planning issues. >> Sure. So the site's located on the southerntherly side of Lakeshore Drive.
It's approximately 281 ft west of Roosevelt Avenue. >> You speak into the microphone, please. Okay. So, the site is located on the southerntherly side of Lake Shore Drive, approximately 281 ft west of Roosevelt Avenue. The property has dimensions of
50 ft wide by 150 ft deep, uh, resulting in a 6,000 ft lot. Currently, there's a small one and a half story dwelling on the property with a driveway located on the left side of the house and there's currently no
garage servicing that house. The topography is fairly flat in the rear of the property. Uh it slopes downhill from west to east or if you're looking at the drawing, it's from left right to left.
Uh in the front of the lot there's slightly steeper where the property slopes towards the roadway. So the proposal is to demolish the existing structure and construct a new single family dwelling. The new house will have a driveway and a garage.
Uh there will be a deck constructed in the rear of the house and a dry well is proposed to control the increase in storm water runoff uh from the proposed roof area. The proposed house will comply with all the setback requirements and impervious
coverage requirements as well as building height. Um we're proposing a building coverage variance of 23.89% or uh 20% is permitted. That amounts to
approximately 291 square ft uh in excess of what would be permitted. We're also asking for the combined building and deck uh percentage variance where a maximum of 24% is permitted and
26.03% is proposed. >> All right. Now, in addition, Frank, the uh ordinance mandates a minimum lot width of 60 ft and we're 50 ft. Is that fair to say? >> That's correct. So, as you heard my presentation and you read the documents, it fair to say that that condition is an
existing condition which dates back to 1932. >> That's correct. >> Okay. And I do point out that as per the tax records, the house was built in 1932. So, Frank, is the house located off to one side or is it more or less in the center? >> The existing house.
>> Yes, it's about in the center. >> Okay. Now, attach the application or a series of photographs of the existing house. All the board members have it. Those photographs fairly and accurately reflect what's on the property today? >> Yes. >> Okay. And likewise, we have some photographs of the addition of the uh houses on either side. Uh are you
familiar with the neighborhood? Those photographs likewise accurately reflect what's on the other side of it. >> That's correct. >> Now, we also have the benefit of the fact that the client has built this very same house uh elsewhere in Paripony and we have a photograph of that for the
board's consideration. So, I draw your attention to The photograph that's enexed uh represents a house that was built 108 Long View on there. So Frank, is it fair to say that that represents what's being proposed to be built here today? >> That's the exact same house that they're
proposing on this property. >> Okay. Now, can you tell us is this house tailored in order to fit this lot that's only 50 ft wide? >> Yes. The lot on uh 108 Long View was also a 50ft wide lot. >> Okay. Now, if you would please address the planning aspects associated with DC
variances, can you enlighten the board how it is that they can grant the relief that's requested? >> Yes. Um, so with respect to a C2 variance purposes uh
uh the advancement of the of the municipal land use law, there's purposes of the act which are being advanced. Purpose A which is to encourage municipal action to guide the appropriate use or development of all lands in the state in a matter in a
manner which will promote the public health, safety, morals and general welfare. So the removal of the house that's in uh disrepair and bad condition will be replaced with a new dwelling. Uh the new dwelling as is very similar to
the prior application has five bedrooms. This this house will have a a bedroom suite uh on the first floor as a fifth bedroom primarily be being used for uh
older residents, family members. Uh also uh paragraph C of the MLUL to provide adequate light, air and open space so the proposed dwelling conforms with setback requirements of the zone as well
as impervious coverage. Paragraph G of the MLUL to provide sufficient space and appropriate locations for a variety of agricultural, residential, recreational, commercial uses. So the new house will uh provide
sufficient space in a appropriate location for a residential use. It's in a residential zone and we're permitting the residential use. Purpose I, which is to promote a desirable visual environment through creative development
techniques. So the proposed house replaces an old house that's in disrepair. uh constructing a nice new looking modern house. Um those are the
uh aspects of the MLUL which are being advanced as part of this application. >> So Frank, you got us over the positive criteria for a C2. Why don't you address the negative criteria? Have you looked at the mastery plan of the township? >> Yes, I have. >> Why don't you tell us what you found? >> So the master plan has several goals and
policies within that master plan. Goal number one is to preserve and protect the character, density, and aesthetics of the townships established in stable residential neighborhoods um by restricting incompatible land uses
from the areas and significant increases in intensities of use. Also, goal number two is to provide a variety of housing types, densities, and a balanced housing supply in appropriate locations to serve the township
residents of various ages, household types, and incomes. So basically with this type of house that uh they're looking to build with the fifth bedroom being on the first floor and a and a bedroom suite which will have its own uh
be uh bathroom associated with it. It provides uh a a type of dwelling where an older family member uh could live with uh with the children. Now, Frank, based on what I got, one more. Oh, >> one more.
>> One more. Um, goal number 12 is to nick nurture the township's diverse culturals cultures to establish a a unique community identity that supports and strengthens the historical arts and
cultural resources of our symphony, Troy Hills. Now Frank, based on what you uh read in the master plan, uh can you tell us whether there'll be any substantial negative impact to the master plan as a result of the deviations that's proposed >> there? There'll be no substantial
negative impacts to the master plan or the the zoning plan as well. >> Now, let's ask about this. Will this uh proposed house have a substantial negative impact on the neighborhood, the adjoining property owners or otherwise u be such a uh an overbuild that it would
be a detriment to the uh to the zone plan as >> No, no, it wouldn't because what uh people would see would be basically the front of the house and the front of the house complies with the setback requirements. Uh really the house is just a little bit deeper.
um resulting in the building coverage variance. Um so it wouldn't be noticeable from the street that the house is uh quote unquote too big. >> Okay. So is it fair to say Frank if you could sum this up? It's the 291 square ft of extra building coverage that
generates these variances. >> That's correct. >> And it's part of the redevelopment of this project. Uh I had quoted the appelt divisions holding in Poland versus planning board of South Planefield Township where the board could look at the overall benefits of the project as compared to just the benefits of the
deviation. Do you agree that that would be applicable? The board could just look at this as a whole package and say this certainly represents a better alternative than what exists today? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Well, I don't have anything further, Mr. Matarazzo. And we do have the project architect here should you have any questions, but I don't otherwise feel that it's necessary to
have him testify. How did you deal with storm water runoff? >> Oh, we have the dry well. >> Can you explain that? >> Um, explain what this >> like what what's the plan with respect to the drywall? Like have you have you already engineered? Is it on your plan? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, what is it?
>> Um, we're proposing it. Let's see. Drivewell is located in I guess the left front corner of the property to the left side driveway. >> Can you speak into the microphone, please? I'm sorry. >> So, the drywall is located on the left
front corner of the property and the roof leaders will discharge directly into it. Um, and there's usually an overflow on the driveway. >> Okay. So, all the roof leaders are going to discharge into that. >> Correct.
>> And that was uh run through Justin Lee. Um, I don't think this has gone to Justin Ley yet. >> I think there's actually a letter. >> You got a letter from Justin? >> Is it a favorable letter? >> If it is, I'd like to hear it. If not,
speak. >> This is just talking about it, but doesn't say that anything was agreed upon. Oh, yeah. The proposal >> he indicates that he does indicate that a dry well is proposed to mitigate the increase in runoff
permit. >> Do you agree that you'll provide the design to the engineer for his approval? >> Yes, sir. >> Yes. >> And there's also a request that you apply for a soil moving permit. >> Correct. >> Yes, I see that. >> And a road and a right ofway opening permit. >> Correct. And I think there's a reference
in there to changing the curbing to comply the curving. >> Yes. Yes. These are basically standard requirements for all uh building permits >> and they're all acceptable to the applicant. >> Yes. >> Any board members? >> I I do I have one question. Um being
that the house was built in the 1930s, if there is any asbestous in the house, that'll be abated. It'll be addressed at the time you're due your tear down. Yes, that's actually standard procedure for uh for de demolition. >> Just want to make sure I have it on the
record. >> Any other questions from the board? >> Madam Chair? >> Yes, please. >> Just one just one uh heads up. When you go to see Mr. Leisa, uh 225-98 requires a void ratio of 33% for the drywall, not 40. >> Okay.
>> So, you have to bump that up a little bit. >> Yes. Is there anyone in the audience that has any questions of this witness and his testimony on it? >> Come forward. Use the microphone. >> State your name.
>> Joey McCormack. 220 Lakeshore Drive. >> Can you spell your last name, please? >> MCC O R M I C. >> Great. This is your opportunity to ask questions of this witness. >> Well, the question was going to be just to make sure, and I don't know these guys, but um that there wasn't going to
be two houses on the property because I saw this certified letter and I thought somebody was suing me. Um, but you don't have to worry about that. Um, so obviously there's no two houses and I just want to, and I don't know if this is the right time, but I want to ask the board here, uh, whatever they want to
do, as long as it's not two houses. I'm right across the street, so I'm all for this. I've been, this has been the house I'm in has been in my family for at least 50 years. >> This is really a time just to ask him a question, a time to speak. >> Okay, so I'm just going to cut it short and sweet. The house has been falling
down for 40 years. It's even worse. It looks like Nightmare on Elm Street across the street. So, whatever they want to do, I'm all for it as long as it's not two houses, which it's not. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone have
any questions other than Mr. McCoy? Is there anyone in favor? >> Oh, sorry. >> Sorry. You have other witnesses, correct? >> No. Uh, well, the project architect is here. Should there be any questions, but I think Mr. Morazzo is addressed every Gotcha. >> Do we have any questions of the architect? No.
>> Board members? >> No. >> Is there anyone in the audience that is opposed to this application? See none. Is there anyone in favor of this application? Please come forward. Mr. McCormick.
>> In favor? I said what I have to say. >> Okay. Down for 40 years. You got to see it now. >> Yes, I did. I did. I happened to be there. Um, would someone like to uh support this uh application, please?
>> Again, it's a improvement and nothing's better than having a neighbor tell you it's really needed. So, uh, you're you're going to do what you have to do with the dry well and the other requests from engineering. So, I'll be voting for it. >> Would someone like to frame a
resolution, please? One of our board members ready. Can I try? Okay, please go ahead. Go ahead. Application 2560 Cosmo Builders LLC 213 Lakeshore Drive block 596 lot 25
zone R4 C variance to construct a new single family dwelling with attached garage and open deck with stairs contrary to section 430-35 colon 3 and 10 and section 430-
10 1 >> I >> I grant to approve support it's a fair application and uh hopefully that 40-year-old thing be 2026 beautiful things >> that's on the condition that they comply
with the recommended correct >> I'll second it >> I'll second motion >> yes >> yes >> yes >> yes Quinn. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you everybody.
>> Good to see you. >> Your application has been approved. Yes. You can check in January. Yes. >> Application 2565. Ferguson 540 Mail Road block 458
lot 13 zone R3. a C variance to legalize a rear covered structure, shed, front walk, front patio, front pads, rear patios, rear pads, inground pool, pond
and stone wall contrary to section 430-N C and sections 430-35, column 8, sideyard pool equipment and pad and pa patio. Yeah. Section 430-35,
columns 10 and 13. >> Can you raise Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Please state your names by your last name. >> Ninoa Ferguson. N I N O S K A.
>> My last name. >> Yes, please. >> At E R G S O N. >> Great. Could you just pull the microphone closer? >> Yeah, he probably needs to come closer to you. Yeah, the microphone needs to come closer to you to make sure it picks up on the recording. So, tell the board why you're here.
>> So, uh, when I applied for this, um, I received a site inspection. I mean, they they came to the to the to the property and they found that the impervious coverage in my land is um, it's exceeding the amount the the limit
amount that it's permissible here in town. So I went back to speak to the engineer in town and uh he suggested or recommended that I did cut back on the uh in previous coverage and
um install storm water devices to resolve the issue. >> Okay. So did you apply to do some work on your house? >> No. >> So did you do some work on your house without permits? >> No. When did
>> Not at all. Go ahead. >> I bought a house. >> Excuse me. You had permits for all of the projects that you did on your on your house? >> No. No. No. I bought a house 11 years ago like that. >> Cows. >> Yes. >> Badly destroyed. I I upgraded that
residency. It's a It's a dental office. >> Yes. >> So when I bought it, it was chaotic. And little by little, I started upgrading what it was existing in there. did not get permits. Is that correct? >> What you did? >> I didn't know I had to get permits to
change old pavers to new pavers. I didn't know that. >> Was the pool on the property or you >> It's a It's a jacuzzi. It's an ingra jacuzi. They call it a pool, but it's a jacuzzi. >> So, does that mean the people who did the work originally never got a permit?
>> You did the work. Someone saw you doing work. >> They came. The town came. >> Yes. >> That's where we're here today. But this has been uh I started doing this in um well I was not working during pandemic so little by little started doing
projects here and there >> but upgrading what it was and then when I found out was that the changing old pavers to new pavers you have to get permits >> I didn't know that >> you don't you the reason why you do is because the original pavers were put in
illegally. Well, that's my shock now, right? That's what I'm paying now. >> It's not that someone It's not that you replaced it. It's you replaced it and it wasn't recorded originally. >> That's what happened. That's my my nightmare right now. Yes. That's what I'm facing right now. >> The letter
that says you're agreeable to reduce the amount of impervious coverage and install a drywall system. >> Yes. I'm >> You just talk to the engineer and decide how much you're going to remove. >> Yes. We're we're well we don't have the exact number but possibly 50% of the
coverage we're going to remove. >> So the I I think >> because originally >> but how do we approve >> a a plan without without a plan? >> Well that's why we don't have this is shocking to me. I mean you tell me I
I've never been I've never done any of this before. >> Who met with the engineer? Your husband or yourself? >> I did. >> You did? Yeah. >> So, are you a doctor? >> Yes. So, what I Well, I'm not an engineer. I'm sorry. I I don't know anything about this. But
>> when I spoke to the engineer, he explained to me everything in details of of what was happening and what I needed to do. >> Okay. >> So, now what I want to do is, you know, after this, I want to um reduce, you know, we're going to reduce,
we're going to cut out, we're going to remove the pavers. >> Okay. Why don't we do this? >> We don't have a plan that shows what you're going to reduce. >> Well, that was going to be next. >> You haven't come to an agreement of what you're going to reduce to show to the town that you need. >> I was going to do that after this. Yes, >> I can't.
>> You have to do it. >> That has to go first. >> Okay. >> So, I think what we want to do is ask the board to extend your irrigation without further notice. >> Yes. >> And then you need to get an appointment with the engineer and sit down. You hear what you're going to dig up, what you're
not. >> Mhm. and what the drywall system has to do is quite a bit. >> Yes. >> Well, you have an engineer, Mr. Roth. >> Well, yeah, but I haven't been able to get in touch with him. >> Okay. So, Mr. Roth is going to do new plans for you to file to show exactly what the
end result is going to be. >> Okay. Do I need an engineer for that or cuz I was >> You need someone to >> You already have Mr. Roth that did these, >> right? But Okay. But that's this is >> somebody's got to put it on a map. So, that means >> But my question is, can we do it? Can my husband and I do it?
>> Go meet with the town engineer, take notes, draw on a map, do whatever >> because that's what he said. He said we don't need an engineer for this. >> Get him to show that on the map. Mark has the town engineer. >> You're going to do that. >> Can we just draw it on this map ourselves?
>> You say yes. >> How will you work it out? The difficulty the difficulty with that would potentially be that you don't have someone to do the calculations of exactly what will be left in terms of impervious coverage.
>> I understand. But the engineer did all the numbers. The town engineer kind of guiding us. >> I'm not sure he's going to be responsible for doing the calculations to come to the number that will represent what you're going to do. Am I
right, Mr. Johnson? Originally he said that I was over 5500. >> Well, he Yeah, he's going to tell you that number for sure, >> but he's not going to tell you what you're going to, you know, >> and then we and he gave us formulas to calculate. >> Yeah, right.
>> I mean, it doesn't sound like this is a major project, but it's got to rip some things out. They have to agree, yes, we'll take this patio out, but we don't want to take that one. No, we are going to take at least 50% of the impervious. >> But exactly which parts of the
>> impervious coverage you're going to rip up? Do you have you do you know that now? >> Yes, we are. We >> I have to draw them on the >> Do you know if the engineer town engineer is going to agree to those? >> No. >> Well, that's why I need to show it to the engineer and if he agrees then we'll
go forward. If he doesn't >> That's why you need you need an engineer. You already have an engineer. We have to speak with him and get that down in writing, a new plan, and then we're going to carry your application.
>> Nora, may we have a uh an a carry date, please? >> I'm sorry. >> I don't know much about this. >> Excuse me, Nora. >> March 4th. >> All right. >> Okay. Once you have all your information, your next appointment is March 4th, 2026
at 7:30 p.m. We need a plan as to what you are going to remove. >> Got it. >> This is to be and the design where the u storm water devices will be. Right. >> We have a question from a board member. Yes, board members,
>> we we opened it up and on on the drawing here, it says portion of covered structure and patio below to be removed, limit of coverage structure to be removed, pavers to be removed, portion of pave to be removed, limit of
pavers to be removed, and concrete pad to be removed. >> I I understand that. I I know how many I just don't know that we know the size. >> Okay, that's fair. You know, you understand what we're saying. >> Yeah. >> Yes.
>> May we have a motion to carry this application? >> I move it >> to carry. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> Thank you, Mr. We'll see you on March 4th.
>> Thank you. Yes, it's a Wednesday >> application 25 col 35 Vaka Ventures LLC 755 South Bewick Road block 764 lot 28 zone R3 a Dvarian for
commercial use in a residential zone and outdoor storage of vehicles and materials. Good evening everyone. Joseph O'Neal of Gafal O'Neal Rogerio here on behalf of the applicant. First, I'd like to do a little brief
introduction to kind of introduce you to what it is we're doing because Chairman Grani's description is not exactly accurate. What we are proposing here, >> Mr. O'Neal, excuse me. That's what I'm >> I know it says what it says.
>> Okay. But what's actually going on is my client wants to use the rear sto the rear pre previously approved buildings for storage by people who are not related to the
owners of the house. So they want to lease that out. Now, previously back in 1981, this site was approved for those storage garages to be used by
the owner of the home in part of his business. So, it was a unified site. We're looking for something different. Now, the storage of vehicles and out outside storage, we're not proposing
that. We don't want any outside storage. There's also the the board engineer report mentions auto repair being done in the garage. That is true, but that's not part of our application. We've
actually got an order to lock that tenant out tomorrow after a very contested uh process of trying to evict him. So, all that stuff's going to go away. All we want is to use those buildings
for storage for people not related to the owners of the house. So we're decoupling the use of the sheds from the ownership. And here to talk a little further about
that there's Pina to come up. Pina Tvetti. >> I have a question Mr. O'Neal. >> Sure. You mentioned that there are there's auto repair being done in one of the buildings. >> Yes. >> When this home when was this home purchased
>> by Well, I'll get to that with Mr. Trevet again. >> Okay. Um >> it's subsequent to the is I mean it's before the uh car use that was being done in violation of that guy's lease. >> So when the h home was built, a home was bought, they were already there doing
the work or did they come in after? He came in supposedly to store materials and upon an inspection by the Tvettes, they discovered he was running a body shop. So, we had him evicted for violating the
lease. But what you're still trying to do is you're trying to uh get an okay to operate a business in a residential area. Correct. Well, yeah, because we're trying to store material
in those garages. >> That's separate from the ownership. So, I would agree that would be considered a business. >> Well, you want I'm sorry. Go ahead, Mr. President. What is it they're going to store? >> Well, they can store various items including cars, but uh there'll be no
engine work or anything done there. >> There will be cars coming and going from >> There will be cars coming and going to get the material out of the garages. Yes. >> And and who lives in the front house? >> I believe it's vacant right now, but we can get into that.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Please state your name and spell your last name. Make sure you're close to the microphone. >> Pina Travi. I spell my last name as T R
I V E D I. Travi. >> Thank you. Mr. TV, you heard my introduction to the application. Was that substantively correct? >> That is correct. >> Now, you and your husband conducted an
inspection of the larger of the sheds in the back. Isn't that true? >> That is correct. >> And you went and you inspected the operation. You discovered a number of cars being worked on. >> Yes. And was body work being done there?
>> That is correct. They were fixing cars >> and uh fixing cars. Body work? >> Yes. >> Were they doing any engine repair or anything? >> Not to my knowledge. No. >> Okay. >> So, you challenged the gentleman that had the lease. He was there at the shop.
>> That is correct. I right away challenged him and I reached out for legal help to get him out of there >> which is how we began the eviction. >> That is correct. >> And you have an appointment tomorrow to change the locks on the building.
>> Yes, I do. >> And then we'll begin the process getting those materials out of that. >> Yes, that is correct. >> Now, question was asked, when did you buy the property? sometime around December of last year.
>> What was going on in that garage at that time? >> It was given to me by the previous owner uh empty. But before that, there were some uh tenants there who had recently moved out because she was selling it to
me. >> Who was the tenant? >> There was some um equipment repair guy. I don't know if it was affiliated to the house or not. >> All right. Now, you're not proposing doing any equipment repair back there,
correct? >> No. No repairs at all. >> And the items that are outside now, basically outside because there's no room in that garage, put them away. >> That is correct. is once that garage is emptied,
the camper and everything else that remains, which is not a lot, will be stored in that garage. >> That is correct. >> You intend to get others to store items in that garage? >> Yes. Whatever will be stored will be
completely inside the garage. Nothing outside at all. >> No hazardous materials or anything? >> Absolutely not. You anticipate mostly dry goods, things like that. >> Yes, any dry products can be stored.
>> How will you market this? >> I may put it up in the market to >> Right. I will be putting it up in the market to lease the garages. >> Okay. I have no further questions for the question. >> So, how many people do you plan on
leasing this space to? >> Only one person. There are two garages right now. So that could be two potential. >> And you won't subdivide each each one. >> No. Says we only need a third of it. You're not going to accept them?
>> No, not at all. A single person will be attended for the garage. >> I have a question. Um, when this home was built, when this home was bought, December 2024 approximately, >> correct? There was people living in the
home, the private home, and they have left. When did the work that is being done on cars, when was that being what was the date that they were in the garage doing work on on the on the cars? You already owned the
property in 2024, >> correct? >> Were you aware you leased the garage to this person? >> Yes. knowing that he was going to do repair work or machine work or whatever. >> That is correct. Yes. >> He told >> you you leased it or the previous owner?
>> No, we leased it sometime around January or February of 2025. But as soon as I figured out that he is fixing cars there, I contacted legal help to get him out of that out of that. >> This was for storing cars. >> That is correct.
>> Related to his business incarnate, >> right? He has a business in Carney. He said he was going to store his cars here, but when I went and did a personal inspection, that was not what I thought he was doing. >> He actually denied he was painting the cars. >> That is correct. Yes.
>> Standing in a room with a paint booth. >> Right. >> And a paint gun. >> Is that the >> That is correct. >> Which building is that? The larger building. >> Bigger. >> The bigger garage in the back. But you're also going to lease the building,
the garage that's next to it. >> Yes. A small garage. >> And you're going to be leasing that to one tenant or two tenants? >> Only one tenant >> per building. >> That is correct. Two sheds are there. Yes. Two garage. >> One with one tenant
>> for both of the buildings. >> One tenant for each of the buildings. >> One for each of the >> So we have two tenants that are going into that property. >> Correct. Who's going to be living in the house? >> The house is going to be rented. >> So, you're going to have the third party
party renting the house. >> That is correct. Yes. >> And And who will police this? That there is nothing going on. >> I live right next to it. After this property is the town uh water pump
station. After that is my house. So we are >> you just became aware. They've been there a year and you just became aware. But now you're applying you were you have put application before the board. >> So it it's kind of convenient that you
would evict them at this point. You know that should have happened. That should have never happened. >> You should have been able to go in there and work on cars and paint and do whatever they were doing. No one was really policing the property.
>> Mr. Cros, I I think that we can clean up that timeline about the conviction. So, when did we first become aware of this problem? >> Sometime around uh immediately around March, I figured it out right away. I
reached out to my attorney to evict him. The process takes time. It doesn't happen. Eviction doesn't happen right away. It took me several months to where I am today. >> So the whole process and I acted immediately as soon as I figured out
right away. I said he's not going to be there. >> The tenant actually changed the locks on that building, didn't they? >> That is correct. >> So you didn't have any access to that building. >> That is correct. >> It's only when they finally opened the door to work that you were able to get into the building.
>> That is correct. So, you rent, let's say you rent it to a new tenant, >> you're not going to limit, you can't limit how many times they're going to go in and out, right? They could be in and out 50 times a day or twice a day. You don't know. Or how many how many
vehicles pull into that spot. Let's say it's someone who's storing food products for a supermarket and they need whatever and then they send a truck and they get that and then an hour later they need something else and then an hour later you don't you don't have any idea of
what the tenants's going to be or the traffic that's going to come out of there. Correct. >> I can definitely place limitations on them like only daytime hours something like that. >> That's a tough thing to uh to enforce to me. Okay. You said there was a previous
zoning application when >> Yes. Was there you have a copy of that resolution? >> I don't have a copy of the resolution. I do have the numbers. It was 81 col 46 and 81 col 48
handled by the law firm of Dubo and Gafalo and the chairman at the time was Bernie Burkowitz. >> So we don't know exactly what the board approved then. Well, they approved the buildings, they approved the height, and they approved the setback. We have
>> the permits and the memos from that, but we don't have resolution. >> Okay. >> Haven't been able to find that. >> So, you don't know what whether there were any We do know that one of the conditions was that the use of those buildings be done by the occupants of the residents, right?
>> Yes, absolutely. >> Other than that, we don't know whether there were any other conditions on I'm you know I'm not aware of any other limitations. Um so given the time period I'm not sure environmental issues and
other things were adopted. There was an issue in the case that accessory height had just been adopted regulations of that. So there was a little battle about that but nothing else. Are any of the existing tenants I know you're evicting
the tenant in the larger building tomorrow. You're locking them out tomorrow. >> That is correct. Yes. >> What about the tenant in the other building? Is that tenant going to remain? >> Yes, he will. >> What is the business that that tenant is in? He's a mobile car fixing uh guy who
just is parking his uh overnight his very expensive piece of uh vehicle that he has that is used to uh fix cars on the road. So he has a very >> a tow truck. >> Is it a mobile like glass service that
they just come and fix a window? >> A tow truck. It is a mobile uh truck that fixes cars on the street. >> So he it is a very expensive vehicle is what I'm being told. >> Trucks that just
>> that needs to be locked in all the time. >> Hold on, sir. >> Oh, they I'm sorry. I stand corrected. He's correcting me. They fix only trucks on the road. >> Does he store any material in that garage?
>> No, not at all. He just has this expensive piece of vehicle which he wants to store in there which he does and I've been seeing that >> and that's a permitted use now. >> Well, there's no one in the house. So,
>> it's really not permitted use but >> do we know from the the resolution that you quoted before was there any statements as to what the buildings were to be used for? >> The gentleman was a contractor and it was his own vehicles. So that was
assumed that it would be a contractor's storage. >> It's definitely his use. Yeah. >> I mean, I know that from the history of the use. >> So now we're going from a contractor's storage, which most
likely would be some kind of vehicle and materials, wood, sheetro, >> I imagine, >> to automobiles. >> Just vehicles. Yeah. Well, you don't know who the tenant is going to be in the larger building at this point.
>> You don't know that. You have no idea who that tenant's going to be, >> right? >> Just right. >> That is correct. Except for storage. I know that definitely some kind of storage. It could be storage. You don't know. >> It could be storage of vehicles or it could be storage of products. >> We're looking for approval for one
tenant to store possible materials and a vehicle in that building. So, but one of the issues as I'm as you're aware from Mr. Lemanowitz's letter is that you're in the wellhead protection area.
>> So, storage of things like automotive fluid might be an issue in that area. >> So, I completely understand that that will not be allowed. It is only products for resale. It could be products for resale like a grocery or something. I'm anticipating.
>> Yeah. There's not going to be any work done on the vehicle except for maybe light maintenance. Maybe he's got a flat tire. He's not going to be able to open up the engine. Not going to be able to do the body work or anything like that. It's just a storage. >> And the public has no access to anything
>> and drawing materials. But but the the mobile repair of motor vehicles which the business in the smaller building is currently in. >> Correct. may involve the storage of automobile
related fluids. Does it not? I mean, does it does it not involve I mean, you don't have that tenant here to testify as to whether that's true or not. >> No, he's not storing any materials there. He's just storing the truck. >> He's just storing his truck. I see that all the time. Him coming early morning,
he's going to leave at around 7. He's just storing that truck and then he'll bring it back. >> I see. Excuse me. I see on page four of Mr. Mcdana's uh aerial photo of figure
four. Page four, the small building has looks like pickup truck, a vehicle, and then there's another area that looks to be covered. And then there's a larger vehicle. Is that a trailer? Is that his
Is that his truck that he uses to make repairs or is that something completely different? >> Is that the white one behind the building? >> Yes. >> Looks like a trailer. >> It's a camper. >> You can see the pop out. >> It's a camper. Who has
>> camper? It's a camper. >> It's a camper. >> These are all these belong to the big garage guy who's been evicted and tomorrow I will have possession of that everything. All of these cars or trailer
is belonging to the larger garage tenant. >> That is correct. Yes. >> Now, when we began the uh eviction proceeding, the tenant became a lot more aggressive about things, didn't it? >> Yes, that is correct. He was very
aggressive because we were trying to right away evict him. >> So, we brought more items onto the lot. He actually parked vehicles behind the building which you kind of see on figure four. Isn't that true? >> That is correct. Yes. And we followed up
immediately through legal action even to take out everything and we said everything has to be contained inside the garage. >> You actually went so far as to file a police report, didn't you? >> I did file a police report also for him putting cars outside the garage. and
>> and and I appreciate that you have a clunker for a tenant, but it really doesn't play into the future use of the space. >> Can I ask um in the smaller garage, the gentleman that parks the big truck, >> correct?
>> Outside, did were did you go inside of that garage? Do you have you literally seen if he's put if he puts anything in there? Oh, all the time I go in there and I make sure that he's parking only that truck which he claims is a very
expensive piece of >> equipment. So, he's parking only that. >> You've inspected many times. There's no other material besides that. >> No, absolutely not. Because being right next door, I have been there several times.
So when this gentleman who runs this business, mobile automobile be a repair business, do you know what kind of repairs he's conducting? >> He's repairing trucks, I'm being told, to the best of my knowledge. >> Right. >> And uh that are stuck on the road and
need to be fixed. >> So does he have does he have um supplies material that he uses in that business? Do you know that whether he has materials he uses in that business? Does he have spare parts? Does he have spare
um fluids is what I'm getting at. Does he does he have those things associated with that mobile repair business? Do you have any idea? >> Every time I've gone there, there's nothing except for that truck. >> Just the truck? >> Yes. >> There's nothing. There's no shelves
full. Nothing like that. >> Absolutely not. No. Not a spring job. No. I I and if I may, Madam Chair, the issue with the wellhead protection is that uh that property is in both t the tier one and tier two. So it's in the the the
most protected and the second most protected. And under that uh major potential pollutant sources is what the ordinance says includes the storage of storage or disposal of hazardous wastes, industrial or municipal sludge or radio
radioactive material. And then it also includes collection collection and transfer facilities for hazardous waste. And I think what what Mr. Johnson's question is getting at if it's a mobile repair truck, does he
go out and replace a battery? Because if he does that, does he have batteries in there? Because obviously battery acid may be considered hazardous. If he's going out for an oil change, does he buy the oil on the way to the to the to the to the repair? and what does he do with
the oil that he takes out of the truck before he gets back to his garage? It's this it's the process here that you know I think what we're getting at because it's obviously a it's a a concern when you're within the wellhead protection area. >> All right, I I see where we're going
here. I think I need that tenant. >> The problem then becomes what happens to the next tenant. So, how do I I think your client would be wise to figure out a solution to the concerns regarding the types of activities that are going to go
on in those garages. >> Can you do that? >> And how how to deal with that so that it's limited to things that would be the least intrusive to both the wellhead
protection area and the neighboring properties. like any like >> well said Mr. Johnson. >> But I also think for me it's I haven't heard why in a residential neighborhood
we need to turn this specific property into a business. >> I I I don't know. I'm not sure I understand that either. >> I I think the application >> appreciate an opportunity. >> Yeah. No question about it. I think you really need to have the person that's in
the small garage come and explain what he is, what he does, because otherwise I think we're just going to go around in circles. >> Yeah. I think we're >> I think that'll lead to what >> the possibilities of the limitations on
the larger garage. >> Yeah. >> Because I don't think you want to start putting vehicles in there that are basically over the road. You hear advertised on the radio all the time about Amazon looking for drop off places, >> right? >> No, that's that's not this this
>> I understand that that's not what you represent, but it's there and if we don't discuss it and limit it, >> we're right back to where we are now. >> I would try to find that prior resolution as well >> so that the board can have the benefit
of whether there were any conditions >> in terms of what uses could go on. Yeah. >> It was a car truck and you know what they would put in the trucks and >> what about future tenants not going to
be using automo only for for storage? >> Well, we'll we'll discuss how we're going to select the future tenants. >> Yeah. >> We'll discuss some more possible limitations on you >> to get away from some things maybe that are concerning the board.
>> Yeah. What might be worth might be worth considering is actually to prepare a I'll say a notice that the board's going to that the board will accept and that has to be posted inside the building so that if anybody ever wants to check it
zoning officer whoever, okay, there's the notice. This is all the stuff that's not supposed to be here. It's not here. So that way it's on the wall and that you know it's it's a good way that everybody becomes knowledgeable whoever is in there. Plus, you could put it in
your lease agreement. >> Well, it's going to definitely go in the lease agreement, >> right? >> But I think the client need recognizes in the use it's there now in the larger building. They needed to do a different vetting process. I mean, taking someone
at their word, I'm repairing cars here and I'm just going to store the finished products there. Obviously, didn't work. Something happened where she was basically operating out of there. >> Yeah. and we need to guard against it and the client's certainly been burned
enough to to do that. >> So you're asking the board to carry the application? >> I am asking the board to carry it. Yes. >> With all exceptions. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. >> Miss Jolie, >> March 4th.
>> Ask the board to carry this without further notice. will grant all extensions through the end of March. >> May I have a motion, please? >> Motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> we'll see you March 4th. >> Thank you. >> So, if there were members of the public
that were here on that application, the application is being carried to March 4th. I'm sure you heard >> some of the testimony and some of the questions from the board, but if you have questions or comments, come back on March 4th.
Thank you everyone. Have a good night. >> May I have a motion to adjourn the meeting please? So >> move I >> I >> thank you. And when you say