We're on record. We're on record. Really? Good evening and welcome to the meeting of the Township of Pipony Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. Today is Wednesday, July 23rd, 2025, and it's 7:30 p.m.
Adequate or announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104-6 at se of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act.
Roll call. Miss Dro, yes. Here. Mr. Joshua, here. Mr. Merella, here. Is Mr. Petty here? Nope. Mr. Quinn here. Mr. Ready present. Mr. Willand here. Chairwoman Grani present.
We have our board planner Mr. Chadwick present. Our board engineer Mr. Lmanoit here. And our board attorney Mr. Johnson here. Would the public please join us in our pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Mr. Ch, can you raise your right hand? Do you swear or affirm that any testimony that you give tonight should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes. Mr. Manowitz, you swear or affirm
that any testimony that you give tonight shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes. Thank you, sir. We've received correspondence from attorney Mike Rubin request an application 2245 to be carried from this evening to
November 5th, 2025 without further notice and grant grants an extension of time for the board to make decision on the case through November 30th, 2025. If I can please have a motion. So move. Second. Second.
Um resolutions, please. Okay, everyone. All in favor? I that's okay. So good. Um the first resolution uh 2519 Burkwood he's not here. Droccoitz Patty
Quinn Ready and Gyani uh can vote. Um can I have an a motion for application 2519 my pen? Second. Dro, yes. Doit, yes. Teddy, yes. Quinn, yes. Ready, yes. Grinyani,
yes. The next two we can do together. Uh, application 2479 and 2416. We have Burkowitz, Decross, Jositz, Quinn Ready, and Grammyani. Can I have a motion?
Second. Dro, yes. Josh, yes. Quinn, yes. Ready? Yes. Byani. Yes. Is there anyone in the general in our audience that would like to come up and say anything other than what is on
our agenda for this evening? I see none. Application 2512 Taylor Dickinson 16 road block 90 lock 8 zone R3. a C variance to construct a covered porch,
second story addition, and an open deck with stairs contrary to section 430-35, column 4. Can you raise your right hands, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
Yes. State your name, spell your last name, starting with you, please. Sure. Uh, my name is Taylor Dickerson. D I C K E R S O N. Um, Brian Low, B R Y N LWE. And why don't you tell the board what it
is that you're here for? Absolutely. So, we are um full teachers and our family is expanding. We just welcomed our first child in April and so we are looking to uh make a little more room as we expand our family a little
bit more. Um and as such we are adding a second floor on the existing footprint to our house. Um where our uh variance was in contradiction was just when it came to the covered porch in the front of our house. Um and so we are seeking
to um have have that variance accepted and approved. Yep. Why is it that you need the variance? So we need uh more room in our house. That's that second floor. the variance for the front porch. We are already in
um not sure of the parlance, but I'm just going to say contradiction to it. Um our house, we're in the new side of Mount Taber and as I'm sure any of you know who you are in Taber, those houses are kind of uh already,
you know, close together close together and so it was built sort close to the street. The allowable distance from the street is supposed to be 40 ft. We're asking and we're currently at 30 and 210 of a foot already. Um so we're asking for it to be
uh seven feet closer to the street. When you ask why we need it, um it is something that is um nice for the family to be able to come out on that porch, you know, in the evening, be able to have a nice community, um you know, vibe, I guess, for lack of a
better phrase, um with our neighbors and our neighbor across the street has a front cover porch. So, that would also be something nice to be able to, you know, have that community with them as well. Did you see the uh engineers report? Yeah. Yes. And did you discuss it with them or
Absolutely. So I went to the engineer's office. Go ahead. And I don't believe I met with the chief engineer. I'm sorry. I'm not sure of the gentleman's name, but we met and we discussed it. He said that after the C variance, after this meeting, uh we
would do a um I believe it was a a small survey. Um he said he would come to the house and we would conduct that and he would um give us Thanks. Recommendations on what the next step would be and then obviously we
would follow those recommendations as for these that are on here. Um you know he what was spoken about was the movement of dirt. The movement of dirt is quite minimal since we are going to be building on the existing footprint. The only movement of dirt
that we would see is the uh when we are building the deck in the back or the side, those footers for the deck and then also um a tiny bit of movement of deck for the front porch. However, uh we're on a pretty level playing. I don't think that's the big issue for
you. The big issue might be the cost. And do you understand when he wrote that the co the the the improvements that are needed could be costly? And if we tended to agree that you need this and grant the variance Mhm. I think the stipulation would also be
that you're going to agree to what the engineer agrees upon 100%. So we met with um we met with our architect as well for that and she had assured us that uh she was uh capable of of being able to fulfill those and you
know for the we spoke about the dry wells and then we also spoke about any sort of uh storm water remediation or sometimes when someone comes in front of our board we suggest that they get a more definitive plan so they know what they're saying yes to.
Absolutely. But if you're comfortable, Sounds like you already did that. Yeah. No. Okay. Yep. Great. Thanks. Any questions from our board members? Do you think you're going to hit rock there? So, I'll tell you, I'm a pretty avid
gardener and from the digging that I've dug in the backyard or I haven't really hit too much rock there, you know, so far. I'm not hard not hard rock. Say it again. You didn't hit any ledges. Not no I I've
been able to dig, you know, trees and there any questions? So question who owns the plan shows a 40 foot reserved area. Who owns that? So that is if you're talking about on Route 53,
the one that backs up to Route 53, I believe that's township. Okay. Uh because the survey shows that that's your fence. Yeah, that that um that was built um prior to because the the fence goes and I'm going
to guess about 20 25 ft into the adjoining property. So, if the board is uh and this board is not an enforcement arm, but um if the board is looking to approve this, I would recommend that there be a uh a statement in in the
resolution stating that the board action does not justify or legalize that fence. We've done that. The board's done that before. What's that? The board has taken that kind of approach before
about the fence. I will say that it was it looks like it is to um the same degree as our neighboring fences as well. And so it seems like the person who constructed the fence used that as a as a guideline and not necessarily the survey of the land. Right. That's all I have madam chairman.
Thank you. Any other questions from the board? Is there anyone in the audience that is in favor of this application? Anyone against this application? I see
none. Would one of our members like to frame a resolution, please? I think you did what you needed to do. You um explained why you needed it, which is expanding family, which is great. You went to the engineering
department. You got their uh kind of approval. You agreed to do what they going to want you to do. So, I'll be voting for it. Application 2512 Taylor Dickerson 16 Hiltinger Road
block 90 lot 8 zone R-3 recommend granting a seance to construct a covered porch second story edition an open deck with stairs contrary section 430-35 column 4 with agreeing to the conditions conditions mention
the engineers memo and with Mr. 's uh note about the fence. Second, yes. Joshua, yes. Masarella, yes. Eddie, yes. Quinn, yes. Ready? Yes. William, Willin,
yes. Giani, yes. Your application is approved. We will be hearing from the office and at that time you can apply for your zone. Excellent. And may I just say before we go too that Norah has been a huge help along the way. Yes. And I don't know what she gets
paid, but it's not to go back and forth to help. Thank you. We agree. That could be on my pleasure. Thank you. Yes. Lots of luck. Shout out to you. Application 2528
Mecca 569 Allentown Road, block 253, lot 13.01, zone R4. a C bar variance to legalize an air conditioning unit on a pad contrary to section 430-35
column 8. Mr. Meta, can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Um, what is what is it that you'd like to do? Uh so I have uh the the new air
condition unit is uh installed and for that the the base pair that has been installed is 3x3 which is uh is close to like it's it's supposed to be allowed allowed uh is 6 ft from the neighborhood
but the the new one is installed a little bit bigger and it's that's why it's becoming 4T and 6 ft 6 in uh distance from the neighboring. Uh, so I want to apply for the grants for that. So are you replacing an existing air conditioning unit? Yes. With one that is slightly larger?
Yes. And this is the same location. Yes, exactly same location. The concrete pad is already there. Yes. Okay. Very diminous request my proposal. I do. Okay.
Any other questions from the board? There any questions in the audience in favor of this application or denying this application? I see none. Would you like to frame? Yeah. Application 25 col 28 moit ma 569
Allentown Road block 253 lock number 13.01 01 zone R-4 to grant preance to legalize an air conditioning unit on par with section 430-35 column 8
second yes Josh yes yes yes Quinn yes ready yes will yes yes your application is approved you'll be receiving a letter and at that time you can go into the office and apply for
your permits. Thank you. You're very welcome. Thank you. Application 24 col48 Dave and Test Lewis 30 Battle Ridge Road block 15.7
lot 11 zone R-1M a C areas to legalize a basketball court shed steps deck and stairs and patio contrary to section 430-35 columns 8 9 10 13
section 430 30-10 C and 430-10 I. This application has been carried from the May 21st, 2025 application. Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
State your name and spell your last name, please. My legal name is Terosa Lewis, L E W I S. Um, it's my understanding that you would like the board to consider putting this matter off. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. Can you please explain to the
board why you want this matter of feature? It has become quite contentious. Um, and I feel like I have gone through different departments and I'm getting different responses and I have hired an attorney to help me
navigate this process because I didn't anticipate all these things. So, can you speak into the microphone, please? Yes, of course. Who have you hired as an attorney? I hired um can't remember his name. Can
I look it up? Um he's on vacation. Um we have uh called a few people like I I said this was last week after I came three times to different departments applying amending.
We have decided we're taking the basketball court out. All right. Just right now, do you do you know the name of the attorney and have you actually hired the absolutely have hired him? So, you've signed a retainer agreement. Dennis is Dennis. I'm sorry. I'm a little nervous. I have a lot in my mind.
Um, as I told Nora, you have a family uh medical emergency. Um, his name is Dennis. Oh my gosh, I'm looking at his email right now. Um, I can't remember his last name.
Dennis Driscoll. Yes, thank you. Driscoll. Have you hired an engineer? I have not yet. No. Do you intend to hire an engineer? If that's what my attorney suggests, we will do so. Because you may recall that the last
time you were here, the board strongly suggested that you hire an engineer. No. What the board strictly suggested was that I hire a landscape architect. That was previously. No, no, that was I because I didn't come the other time because I was away. The
um board suggested I hired a landscape architect to design the burm. Now that was pre us deciding as uh somebody here had suggested to take the basketball court out. We h we have secured somebody
Diego surprise. We have agreed to do that. Are you going to amend your application to change? That's RDA. I I did amend it to to take out the basketball court. Correct. Okay. Um you this started with an
enforcement action against you and your husband. Neighbors report that I have an illegal basketball court for 32 years in our property. Correct. Okay. Um so there's an enforcement action pending right now. Correct. Correct. And
do you understand that even with the removal of the basketball court, you're still over the allowable coverage? Correct. And I my attorney is advising us on what uh in previous coverage uh issues we will take care of in order to
not have those anymore. Okay. So, please explain to the board why you couldn't get all of those things done in advance of tonight's meeting. Because I didn't anticipate all these different requests that I've been
getting from different every time I go to this engineer, they say do this and I do it and then I go to this one and they said do this and I did it. And so it wasn't until last week, but I said, "Look, I I have a
cancer situation happening and I I'm a little overwhelmed and I said, I can't handle it." And that's when I decided and I spoke with Miss Jolie and I said, "Look, I can't do this any longer. I'm just going to get an attorney to come
and do this for me." Joe, you're you're asking the board to carry this application. I have I You asked me to get rid of the basketball court. I did. You asked me to get a burm. I agreed to it. But you want
a landscape architect. I had talked to my landscaper, which I agree. I um started a little paper wall to prevent any water runoff because as I said in according to my neighbors, the water
doesn't come to my house. It just comes down and does a 90° angle to their property. And I will say that at the one occasion when the hose broke, we had a hose issue and water was gushing to their property and I take complete
responsibility for that. Um, and I haven't made any attempts to remediate and had they come to me directly, I would have gone above and beyond. Um, but are you going are you going to be able
to have someone come next time to offer Absolutely. Let's let me finish my question. To offer an opinion that what you're going to do is going to relieve the flooding issue on your neighbor's propert. Absolutely.
100%. You mentioned that you had spoken to your lawyer and your lawyer recommended that you further reduce the impervious cover. Correct. So, you're going to further amend your plan as well.
You said you were going engineer to engineer. What engineers were you going to? No, no, no. I'm I'm hiring my I hired my attorney and I'm going to listen to he's going to uh check the impervious coverage part of our issue and I I I
don't think I should be speaking because he probably told me to say on advice of my council I shouldn't be speaking about some of these things but my house um is wider than the rest of
that's not what I'm asking before you gave testimony that said you went to one engineer that told you one thing, another engineer that told you. What engineers were you going to? Was that? Yeah, I went to Paul Nangov. I went to um um Oh, my god. Where? Mr. Lee, you
can help me. Where you uh the zoning department where I had to show my survey with the they're they're not engineers in that department. That department and it's pavers and they I started to do that little mini retaining wall with pavers. They told me
to stop. I stopped immediately. They called me. I happened to be out of town, but I called my landscaper and I said, "Stop." I was try I thought I was trying to help the situation. Um, and I stopped. I I have followed every guideline you guys have suggested, but
here I am. Okay. What is the remediation? Well, it's up to the board as to whether to grant the application to carry the matter to another day. Well, she's going to be bringing further testimony and further changes. Why not?
Yeah, she's the right to do that. What does that do with the enforcement? It just sits on hold. The enforcement action in this town is is basically stayed until you hear this application. Okay. Okay. So, it doesn't resolve the issue. That's
Do we know if the neighbors getting water still? They're here. Um I believe that but my assumption would be that since nothing's changed on the property if they're here could we ask them uh they are here you if you would like that we will ask them a few
I think I'd like to know that you want me to move myself so they can come sure I I think they're here represented by council by herself good evening everyone can you hear you okay? Yes. Great. I'm Kate Coffee from Day Pittney and I am here on behalf of the neighbors
which is the Pinto family. I was last here in March when the board was previously considering the application. Um and as you indicated, Mr. Johnson. At that time, the applicant had been directed to have a landscape architect prepare um professional plans for
whatever is going to be removed and whatever is going to be done to cure the flooding problem that's occurring as a result of the impervious coverage in particular as well as the encroachments that are on the property. Um the application that was submitted is just a
a survey with an X over the basketball court. Um, so we still don't have any professional analysis of what the uh removal of the basketball basketball court would do and we actually have new illegal improvements in the form of this wall that's under construction on the
property as well which is more impervious. We do have your engineers analysis which indicates that even with the basketball court gone, the impervious coverage is still significantly over um paripin limits about 14% over the limit with the
basketball court being eliminated. So, at this point, the the history is there was a a zoning uh analysis done by your uh enforcement folks last July that identified all of these um violations of
your zoning code. There was a hearing in December. There was a hearing in March where the applicant was directed to have professional plans uh prepared to submit to you so that we could ensure that the flooding problem was being addressed. It is still ongoing. to answer your question. Um, and and continues to
affect my clients. So, could I ask you if the if the court was there for 30 odd years, is that what I that was the testimony I believe. What has changed or has it not that it has been brought forward in the last year?
What happened to the previous 30? I can certainly ask my clients. I imagine for one thing, as we all know, the storm intensity has only gotten worse over the last 30 years. Um, and every stor storm water in general has become more and more of a problem, but I can certainly ask my clients if they perceive other differences on the
property, right? And then I would also ask if we were to say no, we're not going to delay it. What happens then? She needs to move forward with her application tonight is okay,
which the application doesn't tell us too much, right? It doesn't and and it sounds like the application in its current form you would have concerns as to whether it solves the actual problem. We do I mean one we we we don't have
anything that's been prepared by a professional but what we do have which is is helpful is your own engineers analysis which is that given the remaining significant overage of the impervious coverage limits that there would I that there would likely not be
resolution to the flooding problem which is what your engineer concluded. We don't have anything to have our own professionals look at other than the survey with an X on it. Um, so we're not really in a position to do much analysis. So what would be the remedy? Well, to the flooding.
Well, I thought she just said that she's going to submit a new plan to address the impervious coverage, which is what you want. And I I think that we we would like an engineered plan to address the impervious coverage and also to the
extent that the impervious coverage can't be completely cured, some kind of storm water management measures, right? that that's to solve the ultimately your clients want the flooding to stop. Correct. Correct. That is that is the goal is to not have uh our our property being flooded. And you you would probably concur with
me that making Miss Lewis go forward with the application in its current form tonight does not solve your client's problem. I I do agree with that, but I also I mean it's been eight months since this began before this board. Um and when we were here in March, we were adjourned to
May and then at the applicant's request, we were adjourned to this evening. Um so we do need this to um get get it right. It's been a year since it it started with the zoning violation and and unfortunately
um all of these postponements only come at the cost of of my client who keeps being flooded. So, so while we would like an engineered plan that will resolve the issue, you know, I don't know that we can wait months and months
and months for that to occur. So, I I I really do think we need a a very short time period to try to bring this to to a close, especially given that the applicant has had since March already when they were supposed to be producing plans. Understood. Unfortunately, this board is
extremely busy as I know you have a very full agenda. for lack of a better term, demand that she hire that she hire a engineer or that we get an engineer report or that's
on her. She brings us what she wants and if we don't we're not happy. But again, that's I would encourage Miss Lewis to have her attorney contact me as well as Miss Coffee. Right. I wasn't allowed uh I had asked Miss Jolie for your name and I wasn't
provided because the attorney was going to contact you prior to tonight. Is that true? Right. No, it's I spoke with the board attorney on it and for uh that's why I didn't um hear anything but for that much our conversation yesterday was very different. You felt that none of this
was your responsibility and you refused to do the burn. That was Yes, that was our conversation yesterday. Right now we're dealing with whether we the board wants to carry the matter or not. I understand. I'm not sure we have a choice, but it's how do we resolve their problem?
Well, right. If they if she comes and we say we don't like the plan, then the application would be denied and and then what? Then the enforcement action would take off. Can we do a special halfhour meeting before a regular meeting? Um, I don't
know how much time that they need to have someone. Otherwise, on a regular meeting, it wouldn't be till, you know, early October and we're coming into theoretically storm season. I think I mean, I'd be available for an early meeting.
I I agree. I'd agree with that. We got to get it taken care of. But how much time do you need? Can you come up to the microphone? Come up to the microphone. I'm just going to grab my calendar so I can Sure. My attorney will um be back Monday from
vacation and he um you're going to get a date tonight. Absolutely. So what how much time do you want? Give us two weeks. You got an engineer that's going to sit down and figure out what this problem weeks.
Two weeks is not going to be sufficient. What What have you got for dates there? No. No. Not contacting your attorney. She knows. We've come up with the plan. No, I I understand. Now, can I can I rebut a little of what? Right now, we're just dealing with the issue of whether
the board is going to grant your request to carry the I can't answer that. If we do not do a special half hour meeting beforehand, it would be October 8th.
But if we did, it could be basically any time before any of our regular meetings. before one of the September meetings. Uh it could be September 8th or 24th. September
the 8th. Just give me the eth available to confirm. Miss coffee. I mean, can I just make one statement right now? We're just dealing with the issue of whether you're and this will be at 700 p.m.
So, the proposal, we have a special meeting 7:00 p.m. September 8th. You have a half an hour. You'll have your new engineer's report, your attorney's file, and ready to go. Right. Make sure that that happens, sir. You got to get those plans in 10 days ahead of that.
Sorry. S It's September 10th, not the 8th. 10th. Yeah. The eth was October. September 10th. Does that work for you? The 10th is good. Okay. The eighth of you had me nervous. Sorry about that. Um, so you need someone needs to make a motion.
Yes. Make a members please. Yes. I'll make that motion. Okay. Second. Second. Crows. Yes. Yes. Masarella, yes. Teddy, yes. Quinn, yes. Ready? Yes. Willand? Yes. Grani? Yes.
And we will see you September the 10th. And at that time you will have new plans submitted to the office 10 days before September the 10th and no later than 10 days before you say no have Mr. D.
No later than 10 days before if it's early contact information I'll give him your contact. That's fine. I'm also happy to reach out to him directly. So when he's back in vacation. Okay. Thank you so much.
Thanks very much. Thank you. Application 2511 Charles Turner 86 Hayawa Boulevard 518 lot 17 zone R4 a C variance to construct
a new twostory single family dwelling with covered porch and a patio contrary to section 430-10F F and section 430-35 columns 4 and 10. Raise your right hand please. You swear
or affirm that the testimony they about to give should be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I do. State your name. Spell your last name, please. Sure. My name's Charles Turner. Last name T U R N E R. And you have your architect with you today? I do. Yes. Sir, please. Do you swear or affirm that
the testimony that your God forgives should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? State your name, spell your last name. My name is Abi Puri. A B H I J E T. Last name is Perry. P A R I KH H. And your license is still in good standing. Yeah. And you were qualified as an expert
architect at the last hearing. Correct. So my recollection of the last hearing is that you started to get into the testimony and then a discussion came up about the township engineers report. Correct. Correct. Okay. But you didn't quite go through the
plans or anything of that nature. No. So, um, what is it that your client would like to do? All right. So, we're here tonight for three variances. Uh, the first one is a front yard, uh, house setback on River Drive. Uh, second is front yard setback
on River Drive and the third is for building coverage. Uh, the existing house is a singlestory house and it's experienced severe flooding over the years. It's in a flood zone. Um, and the existing house is also uh non-conforming in the front and rear yard setbacks, and
it's uh non-conforming in the impervious coverage. It's at 40.1%. Um, so moving on to the proposed plans, uh, we're proposing to demolish the, uh, existing house completely. Uh, the plan is to build a two uh, new twotory uh,
structure. Um, we're going to be raising the foundation uh to comply with the NJDP flood hazard requirements. Um, and the new house is going to be pushed back 6 ft uh further on River Drive. And we're going to be um complying with the
rear yard setback as well, removing the existing nonconformity. Uh we're reducing the existing imperous um non-conformity as well. We're going to be bringing it under 40%. Um that said, we're still asking for three variances for the front yard. Uh for the front
yard house setback, we're the new proposed structure is going to be at 16.2 ft uh compared to the current 10 ft. The ex the proposed porch is going to be at 10.2 ft uh matching the existing house and the building coverage
is going to be at 22.2% uh 2.2% over the allowable. Uh we explored pushing the house further back um to uh reduce the front yard setback requirement. Uh but that would pretty that would mean that we would pretty much be eliminating the
existing um backyard for the homeowners and they wish to have a small space for gatherings and just their use. Um the house has also been efficiently designed uh for the family's needs. There's no wasted space. Uh all rooms are sized
appropriately for function and comfort. Uh the slight increase in building coverage comes from the covered porch 20 ft. Uh but that provides protection from the weather and um um architecture element that enhances the exterior
aesthetic of the house. Um for the design standpoint, uh the we've designed it for we designed the house uh for it to fit within the neighborhood. Um, we've kept a simple roof line, uh, a a gable structure that reflects, uh, other
homes in the neighborhood. And, um, yes, we just asked the board to consider our request and, uh, grant the homeowners their, um, request for building a new house. Did you change the architectural plan since the last time you were here? Yes, we increased the building coverage
by 20 ft. Uh that was due to uh we found out that since this is in a flood zone, we had to increase the um finished floor height. So uh five new steps were added going from the uh garage to the house. So that portion that we added the steps,
we increased the building footprint just in that area so that the steps don't go too much into the house. You you're showing a brick foundation. How does that comply? Do you have weep holes in there? It'll just be uh brick uh thin brick veneer. Um they're it's
not going to have um it's just u half inch thick uh brick veneer. But your your your rendering doesn't seem to show any drainage underneath that. Is that just artistic?
Whatever. I mean you the water has to flow through this foundation wall. Correct. Right. Correct. I mean that's so it just wasn't showing this. Yeah. The the renderings aren't showing gutters. Um but we will want to make sure
solid space and you were going to try to keep the water out of it. No. No. All right. How is the water going to flow through that? Be like, yeah, it's going to have flood lens.
Yeah, it's going to have about 60 flood lens. They will be there. They will be there. I want to ask you in terms of preserving rear yard usable space in that patio. Mhm. Trying to find the floor plan.
Is there a floor plan? There is a set of plans. I got it. And you're taking the breezeway, we'll call it mud room out of the kitchen. Correct. Correct.
And if you Oh, that is not It is a garage. Yes. Right now, they're going to use it as storage space. Uh but if they do want to convert into garage, they it is going to be a slab on grade. Um, but right now they're going to just use it as their extra storage space. That's not going to
be habitable space. It would seem if you move that far forward in line with the front of the front wall of the house, you could move the house back and you
wind up with a bigger yard, rear yard area off that space. Follow me. You're talking about the the the storage space being front. I'm talking about
page you want. I'm looking at your survey plan and that storage room potentially a garage space.
The house was moved back to the that'll move the garage space forward. Well, you still wind up, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I get you. Yeah. Doesn't solve the problem. Strike that.
Good try. No, I just confused why. So, the driveway goes around the garage. Yeah. Uh there there's a little bit of um space uh towards the side of the garage as well for
Is that for another car to park over there? Yes. If if they need uh to park, they they can Well, you you do have you now have an engineering Yeah. report that you didn't have an engineering drawing that he didn't have the last time. Yeah.
So yeah, I mean based on his drawings, we are proposing 3C pitch pits uh drywalls for storm water remediation as well. And you saw the municipal engineers report of July 9th, I take it, right? Yes. So you would your client would comply with all the recommendations contained
in that report? Yes. Do we have any questions from the board? Any questions? Is there anyone in the audience that is No, I was just going to that reminded me
of something. The last time you were here, you had a neighbor that came and wanted to make comments. Have you had a chance to talk to that neighbor since the last time you were here? I certainly have. Yes. I actually spoke with him directly after that meeting on May 7th. Um, I could we we had a nice discussion about what he was looking to
do and it was entirely related to the flooding situation about just making sure that a lot of the inlets that we currently have don't go away or that they improve. And I mentioned how we were going to comply with the board's wishes to get a civil engineer on board for this project. And um he's actually
currently on vacation, but I told him that uh pending the board's approval, if it was approved or denied, I would go over to his house afterwards and I would discuss it with him. um afterwards which he appreciated but I did reassure him that we would follow whatever recommendations the civil engineer um provided for flooding. Yes. And to not
flood our neighbors of course. Yes. Where is he his house in relationship to your Yes. So he's northwest of me uh one block up one block over. So diag Oh actually two diagonals away from me. So he doesn't join your property.
No no he's not adjoining. River with the dryness floods. Yeah. Other questions. I'll determine that the resolution, please.
Uh, application 25. Oh, sorry about that. Is there anyone in the public that is uh have any questions of this applicant? I see none. Anyone in the audience that is in favor of this application or against this application?
I see none. Would someone like to bring a resolution? Yes. Before I do that, I just want to say that it looks like a good application. Uh we like on the board that you go talk to your neighbor, straighten things out with them. Uh talked the engineer, agreed to do what uh they requested. So I'll be voting in
favor of this and it's application 25 col 11 Charles Turner 86 Haywatha Boulevard block 518 lot 17 zone R4 recommend granting a C variance to construct a new two-story single family dwelling with covered porch and patio contrary to section 430-10F
and sections 430-35 columns 4 and 10 uh with agreeing to what was requested by the engineer in the July 9th 2025. Yes. As Mr. Johnson is saying second.
Please. Yes. Josh, yes. Mzarella, yes. Patty, yes. Quinn, yes. Ready? Yes. Will y bring? Yes. Applications approved. We receiving the letter and at that time you can apply to your permits.
Good luck with your good luck. Good luck. Thank you very much board. Thank you. He said he said 10 minutes. Joe said 10 minutes. Joe said five. Joe said what? His application
application 2518 Chick-fil-A 1180 Route 46 block 715 lot 11 zone B2 a C variance to construct a freestanding sign Mr. O'Neal.
Yes. Good evening Mr. Chairman and members of the board. Joseph O'Neal here on behalf of Chick-fil-A. So, this application is for relocating a sign. When I filed the application, it was of a different design. They were
going to raise the sign to 25 ft, but in their June 11th plan revision, they reduced that height back down to 15 ft and move the sign to that 15 foot off the property line. So, it's actually
complying now with the local ordinances. So, you don't need a variance. I don't need a variance for that. And we did propose some additional wayinding signs on the site. You may have seen
them in our packet, but they don't contain any identifiers for them being for Chick-fil-A. If you just notice the packet, you'll see they just contain, you know, height for your drive-thru or drive-thru this way. So,
we're saying that's not a directional sign, which would be limited in number by ordinance 430287B. So, we don't think that's variance either. So, basically, I'm here to thank you for that
and wish you all a good night. But I hope if you do if you could do a resolution regarding this, what do you want of note of those two facts? That the sign is now complying and that wayfinding signs on the June 11th plan
are not directional signs. So we can get our zone permit real quick. Okay. So I understand the ask with respect to the the main sign, but what exactly are you asking
the board to do with respect to the directional signs? To recognize that they are not directional signs, only wayfinding signs in accordance with the ordinance. I suggested 430 28 was a way tell you where it is.
Understand? I can't hear. What did he say? Wave finding Mr. Croach could not hear you. Wave finding tells you what it where it is. Directional tells you where to go. Oh, I Yeah, you you need signs out
there. I I have to say because you go up 46 and and I go by it and I realize Chick-fil-A is it, you know, I could buy it before I see it. Yeah. They That's why they need to pull the sign forward. Yeah. And then they're going to lose all those little temporary signs. Yeah,
up by the exit so people don't go driving past, right? I I it is it is hard to recognize that it sits there on the right. And I have to of course Vincent Kelly, our site engineer. Perhaps we can have him sworn real.
Sure. Raise your right hand. Swear from the testimony that you gave should be the truth, the truth, and nothing but the truth. State your name. Spell your last name. Vincent Kelly. Ke Ly. Business address 101 Crawford's Corner, Home Bell, New Jersey. Uh I'm a licensed civil engineer
in the state of New Jersey, current and um good standing. Uh I was also testified in front of the court for the original Chick-fil-A application. Great. Now, Mr. Kelly, you heard my testimony. Was it correct? Your summation. My summation is correct.
You don't have anything to add, do you? I do not. Thank you. That's all I have for Mr. Kelly and I'll submit it to you. Do you have no? No. The only the only issue I had was that there was a discrepancy with the sign heights and whatever, but that
that's been explained. So now they're close to blast. Yes. So So these are wayfinding signs that do not require a variance. Yes. I hope the board would agree with me in that regard. I see.
Yes. So is there any way you have a question? Ask go on ask that question because I I mine is about are we giving them a C variance? They don't need a C variance. They don't need one.
We don't. So how how do we approve? You are you are adopting a resolution that given the amended application that they are wayfinding signs a variance is not required. Okay,
I second. Is there anyone in the audience? No. Mr. Johnson, we need an amended site plan approval for this. Excuse me. Isn't this an amended site plan approval? Is it? Do you need a site plan? Yeah, that's what it is. Because the original site plan had to sign where it is now. So, this is an
amended site plan approval. All right. I didn't apply for that, but I'll since I'm here added bonus. You did it amended. Okay. You did amend. All right. It did. Okay. Great. That's that June 11th
and it states amended on my sight lines, right? Okay. Okay. So, we are so the board then is considering the application to amend the site plan. There you go. Okay. To approve the amendment of the site. To approve the amendment of the site plan. More correctly stated. Yes. Yes.
So what? Someone has to make a motion. Someone has to make a motion. I make a motion. Second. No, you won't. Okay. Ala, no. No, please. No. No. We have to vote. Decross. Yes. Yes. Masarella,
yes. Petty, yes. Yes. Ready? Yes. Will? Yes. Yes. Thank you everyone. Have a nice How was that? Good job. 11 minutes.
That application 22 col 45 199 new road Norick. Do we need a new? You already did that. You did that as part of the course. Okay. Very good. Um motion to adjurnn, please move.
Second. Josh in favor.