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We're on record. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Good evening and welcome to the meeting of the Township of Parcanany Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. It is Wednesday, August 5th, 2026 and at 7:30 p.m. The announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given

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and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104-6 at set of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. We will have roll call. Miss Dross >> here. >> Mr. Jositz here. >> Mr. Modi

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>> here. >> Miss Neglia >> here. >> Mr. Pop. >> Yes. >> Uh, chairwoman Gani >> present. >> We have our board planner, Mr. Chadwick, >> present. >> Our board engineer, Mr. Aallo, >> here. >> And our board attorney, Mr. Johnson,

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>> here. >> Would you join our board in the pledge of allegiance, please? I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and

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justice for all. >> Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on something other than what that is what something other than what is on our agenda for this evening? I seek. Okay, we'll move on to

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correspondence. We have correspondence received from attorney Michael Rubin request an extension of time for the applicant to apply for a zoning permit uh through December 10th, 2027 for

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approval for approved application 2245 199 219 new road block 770 blocks four and five. Is there a motion? >> Motion 22. >> Do we need a second please? Second. >> All in favor?

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>> I >> I >> Okay. And we are going to move on to resolutions. Uh, everyone can vote on these. Uh, application 2619

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7 Madison Road. Application 2620 160 Allentown Road. Application 2624 188 Camden Road. and application 261637 Fox Run. Can I have a motion? >> Motion. Motion, please.

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>> And a second. >> Second. >> Uh, Dro, >> yes. >> Joshitz, >> yes. >> Modi, >> yes. >> Neglia, >> yes. >> Uh, Popidi, >> yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Genani, >> yes.

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>> Let's move into the application for the agenda. Application 26 col27 Robin Bazerano 233 Atlantic Drive block 264 light 2 zone R4

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a C variant to construct a patio contrary to section 430-35 columns 9 and 13. Good evening. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the test word that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing? >> Yes.

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>> You state your name and spell your last name, please. >> Robin Fazano F A L Z A R A N O. >> Just move that microphone closer to you or move closer to the microphone. Make sure >> Robin Fazerano F A L Z A R A N O. >> And you, sir, are you here to testify?

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>> What's your involvement with the application? >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Well, let's swear you if you swear or affirm that the testimony they're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Can you state your name, Miss Last name, please? >> Dominic Ferano. F A L Z A R A N O.

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>> Okay. >> Um, Miss Falserano, I understand you're here um because you want to construct a patio. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Can you explain to the board what it is that you want to do? >> I'm reading it to him. >> Okay. Um, so we want to construct a 625

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ft patio in our backyard. Um, that's that's all right. >> Okay. And um, your lot is a 40x 100 ft lot, correct? >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Is that correct? So, it's a little undersized for the zone. >> Yes.

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>> Is that right? >> Yeah. >> And can you explain to the board why you want that particular size patio in that particular location? Um, so, uh, there's already an existing, um,

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concrete pad that is out of the sliding glass door. So, um, it would need to be there and then, um, to be symmetrical in a rectangular shape. Um, it would just have that's where it has to go and to,

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um, allow for the proper setbacks that Pipony allows. Um, that is why it needs to to be there. Um well the um the setbacks are 10 ft from the property line and you're proposing that the patio be located 7 ft

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from the property line. Correct? >> Uh is that your understanding? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Why do you need the patio at that particular location? That's what I'm trying to ascertain location to put it because of the fact that I'm going to rip out the concrete

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>> and that we're on an a regular lot already for um Lake Paripany. >> Okay. Um and I understand that you met with the township engineer. >> Yes. >> Okay. Tell me tell the board about that meeting.

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>> Okay. So, um, what I proposed and sketched up was a, uh, 10x 10x7x 7 ft hole deep. We're going to put a, uh, Colt Reach, uh, 330, uh, X X or HD

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XL, um, seepage tank in. And then uh I'm going to connect the drain uh the down spout leader into that tank so that um it covers the 790 ft of water uh runoff

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took off. Do >> you have some experience with that? >> Do I? >> Yeah. >> Uh yeah, I own a construction company. >> Okay. Why don't you tell us about your experience doing those kinds of things? >> Have you done those before? >> Uh I have not. No.

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>> Okay. I I I know how to do it though. Yes. >> Okay. Where is it going to be? >> It's going to be in the front yard. >> Um off to the right. If you're looking at the house, >> I got the I have the survey in front of

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me. I have some steps >> up in front of that. >> Yes. In in front of the in front of the steps. >> That little spot. >> Yes. That's the only spot on the lot that um I can put it. >> Let me ask you a question. the the setback of 10 ft verse your proposed

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seven. Is it critical that you can't reduce that by 3 ft? >> Um I I can reduce it by 3 ft. Yes. >> And you would have the only variance you would have then is your lot coverage.

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>> Yes. The improvements which you're reducing. Correct. >> Correct. >> Do you agree to reduce it? Yes, I would agree. Yes. So >> and the budget >> if you would like it to be to for me to reduce it by 3 ft, I could do that. Yes.

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>> Okay. >> No, no setback. I mean >> the the setback variance would be eliminated. He would have a lot coverage variance, but that's already there anyway. >> Yeah. >> Would he need a variance if the lot was properly sized? >> No. >> No. >> No, we're not.

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>> Okay. I don't >> Well, he'd need the setback variance, >> right? But not the impervious coverage one, >> but he's going to eliminate >> that. No other motions. >> Are there any other questions from the

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board? >> Is that your complete testimony? >> Yes. >> Someone would like to make a recommendation of approval of this application. I can ask if anybody wants to >> Is there anyone in the audience that has any questions of this of the testimony

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that has been given tonight by this applicant? I see none. >> Is there anyone that would like to speak on behalf of this applicant in favor of or opposed to? >> I see none.

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>> Yeah. is a very reasonable request and uh he agreed to take uh take out the setback. So I'm in favor of this >> and I assume that the condition would be

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that the the final drywall plans have to be approved by the engineer. So, the updated letter shows that they spoke to them. It >> does show that they spoke to them, but they don't have >> They don't have the plan, but uh uh they're supposed to talk to the engineering department about the plans. And

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>> you agree? >> They already did. There's an updated >> We're speaking of the letter of July 29th. >> Yes. >> Are you aware of that letter, sir? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And then there was an updated one sent today. >> Okay. >> Sent today.

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>> Yes. here was the 29th >> or maybe that was maybe it was dated on the 29th but it was sent today. >> Okay. >> I CC it on the email. >> Excuse me. >> All good. >> All good. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. Application 26 col 27 Robin Kerano 233 Atlantic Drive block 264 block number two zone R-4 to grant issue C to construct a patio u

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contrary to section 430-35 column 9 and three uh in compliance with the engineering department >> and as as amended to eliminate this >> and also So this uh request has been amended to eliminate the

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>> area. Second, >> yes. >> Jokowitz, >> yes. >> Modi, >> yes. >> Neglia, >> yes. >> Popity, >> yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Briani, >> yes. Applications approved. You will be receiving a letter from the township. At

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that time, you will apply for your permits. Okay. Thank you very much. Lots of luck. Application 26 col 30 a two five Grantwood Road block 236 lot 6 zone R4 a

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C variance to legalize a 6 ft high fence 5 ft high solid with 1 ft high lattice contrary to section 430-11A and BB >> can you raise your right hand please do you swear or affirm that the testimony

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that you're about to >> I shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> Can you state your name and spell your last name? >> Chia. C H O W A T I A. >> And you're the opposite, correct? >> Correct. >> And what is it that you'd like to do?

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>> I would like to do like uh on back side of my house, I want to con uh install 6 ft solid fence. >> So you have a you already put the fence in, is that? >> Yeah, it's there like Yeah. >> Okay. And where is the fence located?

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>> Fence is located like in the back side of the house. >> So my house is like in the corner of Everett and Ellen town too, right? >> And that what your proposed fence is like about like 120 ft away from the

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intersection. And uh >> so in what you would probably describe as your sideyard, but because it faces Everett Road. >> Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Your house faces Grantwood, correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Nature of the house is on the corner. So,

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>> yeah, it's on the corner, right? >> The fence along Everett Road that's there and that's not at barren, right? >> The fence that's runs along Everett Road. >> No, that one is along the Everett road

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is four quick and 50% see through. >> Okay. So the only piece we're talking about >> little piece >> in the back kind of the backyard sideyard. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> So in the front like front and like uh

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by my house it's 4 ft and 50% see through and along the average road is 4 ft and 50% see through only I am talking about like in the >> So you got this one little piece over there >> right? Yeah.

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Any shrubbery between you and your neighbor? >> No. >> Shrubbery. Any plants between you and your neighbor? >> No. >> There's another fence. >> Your neighbor has a fence? >> No. >> Survey shows a wire fence.

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>> No, that one was old. Very old. >> Okay. Okay. That's to the right of the house facing from Grantwood. Correct. >> Yes. So in if like in the corner of Grand Tour road and the average road

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there is a bush. >> Oh okay. >> And Grandur road is one way. >> Oh that is one way. >> Yeah. So there is a no like outcoming traffic from the Grand Tour road. It's

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only like passing the traffic from Ellentown road and Everett road. >> Okay. and city engineer participant city engineer also mentioned there is a no any it does not block uh site distance

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at the intersection with Everett road and Ellentown road and does not restrict or block access within the right way there any questions from the board on this application. Sir, is that your complete testimony? >> Yes.

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>> Any questions? Any questions? Is there anyone in the audience that would like to question this applicant on the testimony that is given either in favor or opposed to? I see none. Would one of my members like

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to approve a recommendation, please? >> Application 26 calling 30. Atul Chawatia 5 Grantwood Road block 236 zone lot 6 zone R4 recommend granting a C variance to legalize a six foot high fence 5 foot high solid with 1 ft high lattice

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contrary section 430-1 11 A and B >> second uh Dross >> yes >> uh Jasperitz yes Modi >> yes >> Neglia >> yes >> uh yes ready Yes,

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>> yes. Applications approved, sir. >> Lots of luck. >> Application number 2571, Rubicon Partners LLC, 2740, Route 10, Block 19, lots 1, zone

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0T. Preliminary and final major site plan with CD varants to construct a self storage warehouse and outdoor boat and RV storage. >> Good evening Mr. O'Neal.

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>> Good evening everyone. Joseph O'Neal of Pier Rogerio here on behalf of the applicant. As you pointed out, we're here on this property which has been in various stages of construction for the last

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20ome years. This is to finish off the projects. They're proposing a self- storage facility and uh your standard self storage facility. And in the parking lot, they're going to be storing vehicles,

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both boats and RVs. I have a >> some testimony I can get. >> Is this the the office buildings are in the front of it? >> There are office buildings on the other side of the property. >> Okay. So, this is the part that is

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partially built >> the stairwells, >> right? That's been that way for 25 years >> just about. >> Yeah. I pass it every day. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about [clears throat] to give should be the

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true myth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth? State your name and spell your last name. John Rico. O R I. >> Mr. Rico, you're one of the partners of Lubicon Partner. I am >> and you're fully familiar with the application here before the board.

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>> Would you please uh speak into the mic? Wonder if you could tell us please what it is you're proposing >> that most people here are aware >> just make sure you speak right into the mic needs to be close to you

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>> is that better >> um as most people here are well aware the site has gone through an evolution of development uh it was originally approved for two office buildings. Infrastructure was put in place for both office buildings which included ingress

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and egress from Mount Pen parking lot to the to the uh west and a parking lot to the east. Um the office building that's was to that was proposed to the east side was never constructed. Stair towers

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are there in that location. And we are proposing a 100,000 plus square foot self- storage facility with three levels above grade and one level below grade. On the

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parking lot that exists to the east, which was already improved with curb and paving, we're proposing to put RV and boat storage. That property, that parking lot was designed for 150 cars to

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the office building that was to be built. We're proposing 50 RV and boat storage slots. And as most people aware, the growth of RV RV use has proliferated in the United States, but most

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communities don't permit RV storage in front of homes. But this provides an opportunity for storage also with boats that are using the lake area. It has access now to store boats and their trailers on the site. With the RVs, it's

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only for storage. You cannot live in the RV on the site. All right, that's a condition. With the self- storage facility, hours of operation, you can access the facility, and it's the self storage facility and the RV boat storage from 6:00 a.m. to

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900 p.m. Monday through Sunday. The office hours are from Monday through Saturday 900 a.m. to 6:00 p p.m. and on Sunday from 10 to 5:00 p.m. We've hired

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StoreQuest which is a nationally known management company of self storage facilities to be the management company for this. Store quest is national. They build their own as well as do third party management. So we have brought in professional management for this project.

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Mr. Rico, I just want to correct the not correct but highlight something you were talking about before, which is the office this property being approved with the office buildings. The property was actually subject to deed restrictions and a number of lawsuits, at least a

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half a dozen lawsuits over the years, but they've all been cleared out now, right? >> That's correct. The uh restrictions for various parties were removed by various court orders over the years. The last restriction was vested with the

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township. The township passed a resolution avoiding that restriction, which is why you're here today. >> That is correct. Well, Mr. O'Neal, can I just interrupt you for a second? >> Sure. >> I think the issue of whether or not there are valid deed restrictions on

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this property is really not before this board. I would agree >> that may be the subject or may not be the subject of any ancillary litigation that may or may not occur. Um but it's not relevant to this board's determination as with with respect to

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this application whether there are or are not deed restrictions really has nothing to do with this application before the board which needs to be judged on its own merits regardless of whether there are or are not valid and enforceable deed restrictions. Would you

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concur with me? >> I absolutely agree and I did want to highlight why this hadn't been developed. >> So, uh, you're going to have one management company operating the self storage building >> and the RV and probe area

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>> both together >> and they'll be responsible for access to the RV and boat storage lot. >> That is correct. The RV area, boat storage area will have a security gate and security cameras monitoring activity

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within the area and the self storage facility also have its own security operation. >> Will the um how will the fencing be? Will you come up Route 10 and see the RVs uh or the boats when you drive up? >> You come up Well, let me clarify. Coming

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up Route 10, driving on Route 10, you have the line of trees along Route 10 that block a lot of the view of that upper lot. You come into the parking lot, you drive up the access road into the site, you'll see >> I'm unfamiliar with Barry. >> Sorry. So, when you go to the access

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road, I guess you meant to say like then you can see RVs and >> right when you come off the approach road into the site, you'll be able to see. But driving up Route 10 will be fences for how high. >> Well, we can have the professional speak

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to that, but there's a dense growth along Route 10 on that site with very mature trees. >> Hear what he's saying. >> There's plenty of seats up front. >> Why are you attention please? >> Please, >> sir, if you just talk into the microphone, please.

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>> Make sure you talk into the microphone. Okay. So you were saying >> So I was saying so there's mature growth of trees along Route 10. We have no intention of taking them down. >> All right. And right now you cannot you can't see that parking lot from Route 10. But you drive it every day, too.

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>> Yeah. Every day. Two times. Three times a day. >> It's all deciduous trees. Correct. >> It's mostly deciduous trees. >> That's correct. >> So half the year you can and half the year you can't. I I agree.

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>> If you're coming down, Ken, if you're on the westbound lane, >> coming down. Now, if you come westbound lane, the both buildings will block the view of that area. >> I debate that. >> All right. >> I have no further questions for this.

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>> Do we have any >> I have a question. I'm sorry. So, one of the comments in Mr. for Lmen Manowitz's July 29th report related to the potential for for RV owners to work on their vehicles. Will you prohibit that activity?

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>> Yes. >> And how will you accomplish that? >> It'll be part of the requirements within the uh lease agreement for storing your your uh boat or RV in that location. But you have nobody manning the facility to

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enforce any such action, right? >> Who would notice that they're doing it? >> Well, during business hours, you'll have somebody man and there are cameras >> aimed at the parking lot there so they can see activity there >> and the cameras are are on all the time.

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So, somebody is doing something. >> Mr. Rico, you did say, if I'm correct, Monday through Friday the hours were 9 to5. Am I correct? 9 9 to 9 to 6. >> 9 to 6 during the week, Monday to Friday and Sunday 9 to 10:00 p.m.

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>> From from 10 to 5 >> 10 to 5, right? >> Saturday Monday through Saturday 9 to 6. Sunday 10 to 5. >> So the storage in this lot would only be boats

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and recreation vehicles. >> Correct. >> Nothing else. >> Nothing else. So if the board approves this, you could provide a lease format of the lease, what what your restrictions are and what

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it can be used for. That's correct. >> How are you going to Oh, you're not the manager, so normally people who have boats will go start them up once in a while. >> Are you going to What are you doing? >> Electricize their engines. >> Huh?

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>> They'll exercise their engines. I'm sorry. Is there going to be water in this facility? >> No. So, they won't be able to cool their engines if they start them, >> especially on a boat. >> Most of them are waterproof. >> Will they be t um covered, plastic

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covered? >> It's up to the individual owners. Uh most of a lot of owners get shrink wrapped boats when they storm for the winter. >> Are they on blocks? Pardon? >> Are the boats on blocks? >> They're on trailers. They're on

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trailers. >> And the trailers, every boat will have to be on a trailer. >> Out in the open. >> Everything here is going to be license and registration. >> Everything will be out in the open. The boats, you're just lining them up. Yes.

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The trailers and the boats. >> Yeah. >> Campers and boats. fluids within the boats. >> I'm sure you're going to have a traffic engineer. >> Yes. >> Because you have trailers and the boats come at accessing in and accessing

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egress, ingress and egress. >> Correct. >> And that's not so easy to get in there because I work there. >> I did work there. >> Okay. Our engineer will speak to the modifications we're making to the site. >> Excuse me. John would like Mr. Chad has a question.

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who will testify as to the maintenance of these boats at the site and particularly the fluids that most likely are going to get changed. >> I believe the testimony is they're not going to be maintaining them. They're not going to be able to start the motors. They're just storing the

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vehicles there. So, they're not going to be doing any maintenance. >> So, you're going to put in the lease that there will be absolutely no maintenance. Means the guy can't wax his boat. He can't do any of that. normal things that boat owners do.

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>> Can't work on the boat. >> Is that the answer? They can't do that. >> Well, you can't do any >> I don't think anything prevents somebody from the boat. But there's no water available on the site, but you can't do any engine work repair on your boat on

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site. You can't do any engine work on your RV on site. Can't drain oil. You can't do all those things that would create an environmental issue. Because the last thing we want as property owners is to have an environmental issue. >> All right. So you >> that would be included in the draft lease

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>> because there's all homes behind us >> right behind you. That's why I said what kind of fencing are you putting up? >> Mr. Ricoy >> complete your testimony. >> Don't go anywhere. Any questions from our board on Mr. Rico's testimony?

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>> Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on the testimony, ask questions of the testimony that has been given? Please come up. >> Is there a microphone there?

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>> Again, this is your opportunity to ask questions of this witness >> and his >> on the testimony that he has given. Does that include what his attorney said? >> We need your name and address. >> My name is Bernie Clark and I live on

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Flintlock Road in Morris Plains Parony. This is right behind my This development is behind my house and a lot of my neighbors. So, >> you have a question for this witness? >> Yes. >> I have a copy of your application in my hands right now.

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on that application. Question one, pardon me, is has there been any previous appeal to the board of adjustment or to the planning board or litigation involving

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the subject property? If so, state the character of appeal, date of disposition and outcome. Your answer, and I say you in the corporate sense, was not to applicant's knowledge. Now, what I just heard set up here, they have a lot of

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knowledge about all of our deed restrictions and other court matters that happen. So, I would say this application is not telling the truth. >> Okay. But with respect to whether there

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are or are not enforcable deed restrictions, this forum, the board of adjustment is not the forum in which to decide whether those are enforcable or not. Those deed restrictions are irrelevant to this application. If you

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or somebody else believes that they have an enforcable deed restriction, there is a forum in which you could pursue those rights. This is not that forum. What I said was that an application was prepared and submitted to you and signed

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by this company that made a false statement not to applicants knowledge and they do have knowledge. So I would think >> so what is your question of >> my statement question is does the board accept applications that have mis false

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statements in them? >> Well so the question is d your questions are directed to this witness. You have a question for this witness. >> Why did you fill out this questionnaire saying that you had no knowledge of legal matters that and so legal

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decisions and other matters that were in front of about this property? These are ancient decisions that you're referring to. They're over 25 years old. So we did not include them as part of this. And as far as any site plans or approvals all that time, I am completely

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unaware as is the applicant of any approvals. >> Accept that. It's not true. >> That's your answer to the question. So you have another question. >> Do you remember that in 2008, which is a lot less than 25 years ago, we had a

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lawsuit about this? Again, sir, I've explained whether there are or are not valid and enforceable deed restrictions is not for this >> board to determine. There may be another form in which you can assert your rights, but this is not that form.

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>> So, is there anyone else? Yeah, I'm sorry. >> So, I guess I have a question. I'm a little confused. >> So, we do we just did a couple deed restrictions on family houses, right? with the intent on preventing

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a three family house >> in 25 years. Is someone going to come in front of this board or other I guess this board >> and say what this applicant is saying? I'm a little confused why we are hearing

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a case where there our decision might be null and void. Why is it that we hear the case before that a decision hasn't been made on the validity of

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a deed restriction or not. Right. And my I guess it goes back to is the same thing going to happen to the deed restrictions that we request to grant an application. It's a little confusing to me. Could you explain that a little bit to me? >> These deed restrictions were released in

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197. >> Whether that's true or not, Mr. O'Neal, is irrelevant. You may be right. You may be wrong. I don't know. But it's not up to this board to determine whether those restrictions are valid. So you have a complete application before you that you

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are required to rule on one way or another within a statutoily set period of time. That's why you you have to decide this application pursuant to any extensions that the applicant might give you. So you have a complete application that you have to consign whether an

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applicant decides to go here first and get an application approved or denied that later he might be legally prevented from implementing because of some other instrument is not relevant to your determination. >> Could somebody stop us from having the

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hearing? Could someone go to court and potentially, but again, >> that's not your >> your issue to decide. >> Got you. >> It may it may happen. It may not happen. I don't know the answer to that. It hasn't happened yet. >> There's no legal restriction for you to

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hear this application decided on its merits. >> Gotcha. >> Mr. Johnson, do you mean to say that this application is complete and acceptable for us to move on? >> Otherwise, you wouldn't have it on your agenda. talk. Thank you.

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>> Is there anyone else in the audience that has a question of Mr. Orico's testimony only? Please come up. May we have your name and address, please? >> William Hammond, uh 120 Flint Lock Road,

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directly behind that property. That question is for you, sir. You uh said RVs and >> Hold your mic up. You said recreational vehicles because that and I know I've other storage spaces they have quads on trailers, motorcycles on trailers. I

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mean recreational vehicles or recreation vehicles. So you could start up a a motorcycle or anything like that cuz you don't need water. >> What? >> Yes or no? >> The answer is no to that. And recreational >> yes or no question. >> Well, he's trying to answer. >> I'm not trying to argue with you.

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>> No. >> Just make sure you use the microphone. >> Okay. There's there's a general definition of what a recreational vehicle is for motor homes, you know, with the number of wheels, uh, whether they be towed or driven, right? And

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that's what we're seeking permission to have on the site. It's not for motorcycle. I rode dirt bikes, right? It's a recreation, but I didn't consider a recreational vehicle. Um, you know, recreational vehicles are particularly fun. So recreation vehicle is a

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recreation vehicle. >> Correct. The other question is I saw that uh you said that there's trees blocking the road up and they're deciduous trees which means more than half of the year there's no leaves on those trees so you can see everything in there. >> Is that correct? >> We'll discuss that with a later witness.

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>> No I I'm sorry. I thought that they were true. >> Okay. So >> you would be able to see through them in the winter. >> Right. The other question was uh I know I been talk to your engineer about the offset. Obviously, my house is less than 30 feet from your property and you're want to bring that closer to my property

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and I didn't hear how you say you're gonna cover that up. Just I heard something about fences. You could see it from one place for another but I looked directly into that property >> and if you're coming closer is that what you're saying and the RVs are in the back. >> Do you do you have what's the question? I'm sorry. >> The question is how far is he coming

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closer to it? and he mentioned fences and I think I heard someone say how big is the fence going to be and your statement was well there's deciduous trees is that the only privacy that that >> I'm sorry I don't know where your your property >> first directly it's a big red brick

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house that was terrible >> so to the site is not being expanded the site exists the curb line is in place the paving is in place we're not increasing the curb area and we're not increasing the pavement area on that

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upper. >> I guess I misunderstood the application because the application says you're going for a variance to reduce from 70 ft to 31 ft. So I don't I don't know what you're talking about. Could you explain that to me, please? We'll have our engineer go over that. >> That's probably a question

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>> for the engineer. Okay. So we talked that uh recreation vehicles are recreation vehicles. You [clears throat] don't have a there's no specification for what a recreation vehicle is. No, he said it's the generally accepted definition of recreational. >> So it could be it could be basically but

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I mean so it could be a motorcycle, could be a quad, could be how could not be. It's a recreational vehicle. >> Let me interrupt. >> The board can put a specific terminology with regards to that. We could put that on on any >> I I thought there was no uh RVs allowed

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in in uh that zone period. >> I mean not at all. >> Yeah. what they're what they're proposing is use question >> is the use varies and you're right >> they're not that this kind of use is not a question

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>> let me ask Joe is there any way that we can get a draft >> uh lease agreement so we know get these >> right >> terms just pinned down >> I don't see any problem with that we'll be able to provide that >> I think it would be important to deal with >> I think that is

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>> what what can go on there >> and what kinds of activities are prohibited. >> Yeah, it's no problem. We'll get that for you. >> The sec the security and that items are all site plan issues, but the others are

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not. >> Any other person would like to speak raising her hand >> ask questions of his the gentleman's testimony only. >> Yes. >> Okay. Just state your name and tell us. >> Hi, Louise Wickman 60 powder mill.

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>> Okay. You have a question of this witness? >> Yes, I do. >> Um, lighting. Will there What type of lighting are you proposing? I mean, where were my grief? I since LA 160 pattern reel, that other unit, you get a lot of lights. So, I'm curious. I'd hate

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for everybody else that's in that neighborhood to be opposed, you know, to have that shining in there. So, what type of lighting will you be having? >> Our next witness will get to that. >> Oh, great. All right. The next question is um the size of the recreational vehicles and the boats. Do you have size

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limits for those that can be stored there? >> The the largest slot is 35 ft. 70% of RVs that operate in the country for 35 ft. >> And what about the boats? >> Boats would have to fit in the same slot. >> Okay. And then there's no building going to go in. It's only it's going to be just a big parking lot. Correct.

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>> Correct. And are the any of the vehicle Well, I guess the RVs couldn't be, but will the boats be stacked? No. >> No. Okay. And has there been a a study yet done on um the traffic flow and how that would Oh, you're going to be answering that one, too.

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>> That'll be later. >> Okay. [laughter] >> All right. So, um Oh, and then how are you going to be enforcing people not working on their on their book of their RVs and their boats? Will there be someone there like going around and kicking them out? cuz I

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know having a unit right near me. There's people working there all the time with music going. They even had a fire. So I was curious how that'll be maintained. >> Uhhuh. To >> testify. >> So there'll be someone there all the time. >> Testify to the hours of operation. But

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if anyone [cough] does anything against the lease agreement, the lease can be terminated and then required to remove themselves from the site. >> All right. And then one more question. >> Okay. Good. One more question. Um, since the whole um the whole place is going to

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be fenced in or is or whatever, will you be having like an emergency exit towards the back of the facility that might go into some of the my neighbors backyards?

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>> No. >> So, the only entrance and exit will be off of Route 10. >> That's correct. >> Okay. because I know on the other unit there's one that goes into a backyard. That's So, just wanted to double check. I I think that's it. That's all my questions. Thank you.

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>> So, I have a question. So, you said the the boat or whatever has to fit into a space. Could someone buy two spaces and put in a bigger boat? >> Not longer than 35 ft. >> Well, if you bought two 35 footers, could you put a 50ft boat in? >> No, because then you're in the drive

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aisle. So there's no way to get around what what fits into the size. You can't get two spots. You can't get two spots and have an oversized vehicle. >> No, because you got to get around the site, too. So, >> plus you have Exactly. You have to be

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able to turn in the site. You have to turn into the site. So, it's all designed to accommodate the >> My other question is, what happens if someone has a boat and they want to get started at 4 in the morning to get down the shore? >> Could they go and get their boat? No, >> it's locked

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>> and they will not have access in there. >> Correct. Until 6:00 a.m. >> Until 6. >> Will there be any kind of office for somebody be in during the day >> there or? No. >> Will the offices in the self storage facility with cameras? >> Okay.

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>> On the RV boat area. >> Will those cameras be monitored offsite when someone >> They can be >> can be or will be >> can be. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um, look that depends on the management company. They can they have they have they're a national company.

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They have national monitoring. So you can rent space online. They can monitor the space online. Uh headquarters for them is in California. So they're set up to do a fair amount. >> So it's it's the owner of the property's

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decision whether he wants to pay for monitoring or I would say active monitoring. >> Correct. >> Right. one you could pay and just you heard some was there you go look at the tapes or one is it's going on now >> I'm going to security operation >> right >> so so if one of the restrictions was

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that the board wanted we want that the the um upgraded package let's say that if it was being monitored that they would have to address the issue there and not just roll the tape would you be in agreement of that >> I would have to talk to the management

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company before I agree to that. >> Okay. So, is the management company going to testify? >> No. >> I'm sorry. What was the question? >> The management company going to testify? >> The answer is no. >> And how many uh spots did you say for trailers and boats? >> 50.

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>> So, it could be 50 trailers. It could be 50 boats or combination of both. >> Be a combination of both. Right. >> And the recreational vehicles. >> Yes. The the management company is primarily a management company of

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self storage or a management company of this kind of a lot or both. >> They do self storage and RV and boat storage facilities. They do both. They're a national company. >> Anyone else in the audience, please

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[clears throat] come up. come forward and use the microphone. Please state your name and give us your address. >> My name is Ray Susser. I'm at 97.1 right behind you guys. >> Sometimes you don't understand. You said

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on the rear that you're not going to affect any back. >> Please use the microphone. >> Use the microphone. you said on the uh you're not with the buffer space, you're not going to affect any of the curbs and there's a road that runs in the back

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that's obviously a curb and so now you're going to reduce the buffer from 70 to 20 and I just can't visualize how could you you know you basically want to put your booty in my backyard >> you're basically trying to put your building in my backyard but our next

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witness will testify >> to all those dimensions. >> Okay. Well, it was on it was on the application. >> I know. >> Okay. >> And he'll testify. >> Okay. >> Is there anyone else in the audience that would like to question this

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applicant on his testimony only, please? >> Hi. >> Aaron Boots King. I live at 77 Flint Lock Road. And >> I apologize. State your name again. >> Aaron Boots King. 77 Flint Lock Road. And the business is right behind my

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house as well. Um, I have a couple questions. So, the hours of operation for the um maintenance of the um storage unit is going to be 6:00 a.m. till 9:00 a.m. So, or 9:00 p.m., right?

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6:00 a.m. till 9:00 p.m. >> 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Access for the public to get into the facility. >> Public who are renting there or just public >> who rent there. They'll have access codes to get in when this is when the office isn't open.

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>> Okay. And that's Monday through >> Saturday. Sunday. >> Sunday. So, it's 7 days a week. >> Correct. >> So, 6:00 a.m. till 900 p.m. That's late. And then on um Sundays, it's 10 a.m. till 5:00 p.m. >> for the office hours.

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>> For the office hours. So, you're going to have one management company running this, right? How many people are going to be working in that office managing that whole site watching that people aren't in their RVs living that people aren't in there working on them? Like

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how many people are going to be watching this? >> Well, the management company staffing is going to be depending on the hours one to two people there on a regular basis. They have a manager that that floats between the sites as well to relieve anybody who's on vacation may fill in.

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So, two people. And then if something is going wrong and somebody is living in their RV, then the management company is going to call the cops or they're going to um evict them. Are they going to have their um rental agreement revoked? Like,

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what's going to be the what's going to be the um what's going to happen to them if they don't follow the rules? >> Well, if they don't follow the rules, the notice that they have to follow the rules. If they don't comply, their lease is terminated. They have to fall to their lease. How long is that going to take for you to get them out?

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I mean, we have to live next to these people. So, if they're in there like living in their RV and they're doing things that they shouldn't be doing, this is like, you know, right next to right next to Ray's house, right next to our house, you know? So, it's like if people are in there in their RVs, like an RV is like a traveling home. So,

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how are we going to um prevent them from lowering the quality of old powder mill, you know, stick one museum and we have this RV park there pretty much is what we're going to have in there. >> So, is the question I think Yeah, >> the question is like how are you going to um take care of those people who are

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not following the rules? >> You you terminate their lease and if they don't comply, you then bring in the law. >> You're going to take care of it on the law side. you and like find like try to take them to court and get them out and all that stuff. Squatter of rights, all that kind of stuff, things like that.

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>> There's no residential rights to living in a storage unit or an RV. When they terminate it, you're off the property. >> Well, >> it's not like being in an apartment. >> I don't agree with that. >> Well, that's the way the court >> That's the way the court should way it should be. I understand that, but it's

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not quite the way it happens in a neighborhood, >> right? >> The question is, how would you go about enforcing? Can I can I >> cancel the lease and call the cops? >> Well, I was going to ask that. Is there um will the police have access into the the area? Will they have access to go

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in, drive through, and come out? >> Oh, absolutely. >> Title 39. >> Yeah, they'll have code and I'm sure they'll want the code. Uh that's what I'm saying. >> As well as the fire department will want the code to >> Right. >> to make sure. >> So, it's not a civil matter. It's actually you're going to have to you're going to have to get them out. It's not

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going to be a civil matter where we have to like go and get involved in that. No, they're out immediately. >> All right. Um, also, so you said that you cannot see the RV park that would be coming down Route 10. And like my neighbor said that, you know, when the lights, like when the leaves are out,

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you can't see them. That's fine. But in winter, it is just open. So, you are going to see it. And the lights that you guys have currently are LED lights that shine into our backyards. They're on till 1000 p.m. now. So, that is a

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question as we were asking about the lights. So, how long are the lights going to be on if the hours of operation are from 6:00 a.m. till 9 p.m.? >> We're going to cover all that with our next witness in >> Okay. Um, let's see here. Uh, Flint Lock Road.

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So, you're going to have the park, the RV parking right next to Flint Lock Road. So, I know we talked about Route 10, but Flint Lock Road is the road that's in the neighborhood that we're going to be seeing all of these RVs and boats. Um, and if they are not required,

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are they required to shrink wrap the boats? >> No. >> Are they required to cover their boats? >> No. >> So, we have a lot of animals in our neighborhood a lot. So, how are you going to prevent animals from getting in there and burrowing and doing things if

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people leave food in there? I mean, it's just going to attract um I think nuisance like rats and mice and all kinds of things like that. So, how do we not have that invasion in our neighborhood? >> Your management company has experience >> in that. Correct.

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>> So, they'll manage that. >> They'll manage it. They'll control >> and they'll watch that on the cameras. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Poison. >> Um Well, we don't want poison because we like the deer. We don't want to poison animals. That can't be that could be

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part of uh let's see here. Uh management people. Oh, how are the management people when they're done working at 9:00 p.m.? How are they going to prevent the people from maintaining and working on their RVs and boats or being there

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if they're done at 9:00 p.m.? >> Well, they have to they have to patrol the site before they leave. clear everybody out who is >> and that's what the management company said. You know that for sure the management company does that >> responsibility to manage the site >> agreement. We asked to see the agreement.

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>> Okay. So that's later after we see what that agreement is. Then we can see what they're going to what they're going to do. Okay. Um let's see here. Covering the boats. Oh, the threetory building. Where is that going to be located? >> Up in the front down by the by the office building. Where is that going to

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be located? So, it's in the exact same foot in the principal footprint of the building that wasn't constructed. There's showers there right now. There's footings in place in that location. That's the location. >> Is that going to have like a color aesthetic? Is it going to be like a big

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orange building? Like, is there anything that has to do with that? Cuz our our neighborhood is >> talk about that. >> Our neighborhood is a um historic neighborhood of Stickling Museum. Stickling Museum just put a lot of money into that neighborhood. They just rebuilt a new education center. They

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just rebuilt their whole mansion. They like have revamped the whole thing. And that is the neighborhood that you're talking about putting a boat and RV park in. >> So questions. >> That is my last question. >> Is there anyone else in the audience

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that would like to speak on the testimony given by Mr. Or >> ask questions only. I see. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Excuse me.

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>> This is I don't know. Can you read it? >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> State your name and spell your last name, please. >> Paul Mutch, M is in Mary, UTC, from

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Stonefield Engineering. >> Mr. Mch, uh, can you give the board please the benefit of your experience? >> Certainly. Um, I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey and my license is in good standing. I've graduated from Ran University with a bachelor's degree in

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civil engineering. I've been practicing the field for roughly 15 years with specific experience on applications similar to the one you'll see this evening and I've been accepted by more than 100 land use boards in the state of New Jersey as an expert witness. So, >> I present Mr. Much as an expert for

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civil engineering purposes. He's acceptable. >> Thank you, Mr. Mch. Given that, could you please walk us around the site and tell us what we're looking at? Yes, I will begin with an aerial exhibit that was prepared by my office on August 5th,

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2026. I'm going to refer to sheet two of two. It's kind of the zoomed in version and is kind of similar to the site plan that we'll move to next. >> So, you want to mark that? >> Um, I believe that was previously submitted. >> This aerial exhibit was not previously submitted. So, we should mark it as an exhibit.

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>> That would be A1. So, as you've heard on this, >> can you just write A1 on there with today's date, please? >> Yeah. >> Okay, [clears throat] you go. Great. So, have you as you've heard this evening, you know, this project is somewhat of a history to it as far as the last 20 or

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so years. Um, it has remained undeveloped. Uh, and this project is a redevelopment. It's a it's a kind of a completion of the development um that was envisioned um 20 plus years ago and built 20 plus years ago. Um, as you've heard, the the site consists of an

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office building and parking which is located on the western side, kind of page left on that exhibit that you're looking at. We kind of cut it off, but um it's an existing office park there, an existing parking field to the west. There was an additional office building and a parking field that uh the parking

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field is installed. You can see that on the right hand side of the site. And the office building was partially constructed, has remained that way for for some time. And we're going to look for we're going to look for a reuse of that site um as it exists today. Access is currently provided um off of Route 10

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in a right out right in right out driveway. There are some modifications we're making to that driveway that you'll hear about in the application this evening. Um and the the existing site has um its own host of historical approvals as well as

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as existing nonconformities with regards to zoning. Um, and you'll see that in the in the professionals response letter. But to some of the comments that we've heard today, there is a front yard setback that exists on this property. The existing office building is closer to the road than is permitted um and closer

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to the road than what we are proposing. In addition to some of the neighbors comments about the buffer, the entirety of this development will remain inside the existing limit of disturbance. There is no extension of the parking area in the northeast corner of this site. the

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curb line along the top of the property will remain and any curb line that is reconstructed is reconstructed in the same place at a diff different elevation. So >> could you just pause for one second? So the driveway that you're talking about are there access easements with the other lots on that driveway?

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>> It's all under one ownership. >> It's all the whole site is under one >> and you noticed 200 from that entire site? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> You mean the office site as well? >> Condo. >> Okay. It's all one. There's no other

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access to the road. >> So, it's all coming through here. So, >> it's all common ownership. And you notice 200 feet from the entire lot. >> That's right. >> Okay. >> When we say the entire lot, what shows on the aerial is not >> That's not the entire lot. That's a portion of the lot. There's a section

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where the office building is. It goes all the way to the cross street. >> Right. Okay. So I guess my my question is >> although the border is not changing for lack of a better word is the action getting closer

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to the neighbors >> um I don't know the definition that you're using for action but the parking area is not moving closer the parking area will be utilized um parking area there now >> that's correct >> okay >> there is there is no new pavement where

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there is not pavement today >> okay >> but You're no one's there. >> 35 foot, >> right? There compared to a car and 35 and when it you back it in and it's up to the curb, >> the hangover is going to be a lot further than a car.

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>> Mhm. Well, first off, it's not an RV park. They're parking >> parking RV storage. Storage. You know, I know. >> Just making sure everybody knows. >> Mr. the the variances on the setback for the parking lot and the buffer.

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>> The planner will deal with that or you >> the planner will certainly give justifications for those conditions. But even the the the number you heard that 30 foot number you heard from the residents already. That number is not changing. That's an existing dimension to the existing curb line that is not changing as part of this application. So

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there's no encroachment. We're not pushing pavement further. We're not removing any of that wooded buffer around the edges of the site. that will all remain the same. We are, and you'll see this as we move through, regrading that parking lot, sprucing it up a bit, um bringing it back to a useful thing for the uses that we are doing, but

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nothing occurs outside the existing limit of development that is there today. >> Mr. Chadwick, I should advise that uh the notice that was sent out was sent out without reliance on the existing structures or parking lots that were there because of the age of the

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development. couldn't find anything on the original approval. So, I just noticed it as a new application. So, we're noticing if the buffer is interfered with by the existing parking lot. I noticed it as if the parking lot

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wasn't there. >> In your research, did you find any authorization to go into the buffer on the original approvals? >> I couldn't find the original approvals. The curb curb

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curves already there. >> There are curbs existing today. Yes, it's fully curbed. Pavement, drainage improvements, all of that in that existing lot that's there today. >> And those are all going to remain. >> Yes. Well, some of the ones up front we are regrading. There's going to be that

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we're going to raise the front elevation a bit. Um, but the back is staying almost identical to what it is today. We're actually introducing a new landscape island back there. In the rear, it's staying sub substantially similar to what's today. >> So coming um the front of Route 10,

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you're buil you're grading up. >> Yes, that grade will increase um along route 10. That's correct. >> And will things there'll be parking boats or RVing there in the front or I'm trying to picture. >> Yes. And I'm going to put up the next

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plan. Let me do that and we'll get into that. Absolutely. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, what I'll do is I'll move to what I'll call exhibit A2 and I'll describe it when I sit back down. >> I was trying to picture it. [laughter] >> Let's give you a picture and >> Mr. M. Please mark that angle.

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Okay, I've marked that exhibit exhibit A2. It is a site plan rendering exhibit. Um, it is simply a colorized version of the site plan that was submitted. The content, everything is the same. We've just added color as well as a landscaping to give the board an idea of what we're looking to do, at least in

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the 2D sense. and our architect will show some 3Ds and some elevations of what we have this uh proposed as well. >> So those will be further back. >> So now we were talking about the extent of the parking. >> Yes. So the extent of that parking. So

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everywhere that you see along the edges of that upper parking lot in the northeast, the existing curve either mimics the exact location or the proposed curve it mimics the exact location of the existing curve or is pulled in. You can notice at the top um

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towards um Flint Lock Road, there are some additional green areas that we're incorporating up there, but that actually adds green area and pulls the curb away. Um but again, all of that wooded buffer that exists today, that mature wooded buffer along those sides of the property will remain as they're

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installed today. Similarly, along the frontage, you can see that there's that existing densely um wooded area. I won't call densely wooded, but there is a wooded area along the frontage that we're not we're also not clearing that out to clear visibility that's remaining

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with just a little bit of a at the edge where we've realigned the driveway, which I'll get into. There's a couple of those trees that'll be trimmed up a bit. >> All those trees will be bare in the winter. >> No, I understand that. That's why I don't want to overspeak on the density of it. What I'm saying is is that this

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application is not proposing to clearcut the frontage to open it up. So what you exist today and what you see today through the trees you'll see in the in the future is is essentially what it is. >> Well, yes, there's a parking lot there. I understand that. >> Um so what I'll do is I'll get into what

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the proposed condition is and we can keep answering questions as we go. Um, so what you'll see is on the what we'll call the western side or the page left side is the state-of-the-art self- storage facility and then you have your RV/bo boating boat storage area in that

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lot to the east and essentially this development in our minds and we'll go through the storm water as well is split into two where those are kind of two separate entities how they interact um with the engineering of the site. The si the self-s storage building is both similar in both size and scale to the

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office building that's to its direct west as well as what was envisioned there when the office building was approved and partially constructed. It's in essentially the same footprint um with some modifications. Obviously, it's not the same shape as the building that is next door and it's actually not as

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tall as the building that is adjacent. And there is some discussion in your board professionals review letter with regards to how we are defining the height. Um from our engineering standpoint and way we've looked at the application we feel that we comply with the overall height the number the

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distance above grade. um in both the zone specific building height as well as if you calculate it the way that the general zoning does um we feel that we comply with both um and I can get into that as we move through the application but the important piece is is that the

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size and scale of the self- storage building is the same footprint and it's actually a little bit shorter than what the office building directly next door um is installed as today. >> So you're not asking for a variance for height? We are not. But there is >> we are asking for >> Yeah, I was going to clarify that for

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the physical height of the building. There is a restriction on the number of stories where it's three versus two and a half. So the threetory office building as well as our building exceeds that. >> Okay. >> Does our engineer have anything to say on that? >> Yeah, that's what he does. >> I think you can talk about it now or

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later. >> Yeah, we just wanted clarification on how you calculated the building height. I know there was a a discussion about the parapit at the top. We looked further at the architecturals. didn't look like that was an issue, but it was the overall height, how it was calculated around the perimeter of the building. >> Yeah. So, there's essentially I'll just

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discuss it quickly with the with the board to bring them into some of those conversations. So, there are two building height definitions in the ordinance. There's one that's a general building height that applies to most applications and that measures the average grade at an extension of 6 ft off the foundation line. So it's

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essentially if you like if you were to build your building on like an anthill, you take the you take the definition lower to kind of kind of fight against that. In this zone specifically, there's another building height calculation that references the existing natural grade, which is essentially what is the grade

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of the site today compared to what the proposed height of that building is. Um and we calculated as the building spec or the sight specific code um which the elevation of the existing natural grade is one foot below the first floor elevation of our building. So

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essentially we took our building height added a foot to that to to extend to the natural grade um and to the roof line and that calculation came in under the required 35 ft. I think it's 33 feet 4 in. Um, and that excludes the parapit

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which is 4T which per your code does not count towards building height if it's 4T or less. So that total height of the parapit is 36 ft 4 in that it's not included in the building height calculation per your code. And it's important to note that the building next

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door per our survey of that building, the elevation above the grade on there is 42 feet for the office building. So we're a little bit lower. We feel we comply. If you measure it with the general building height definition, it adds about a inch and a half 2 in to the

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height when you get away from our building foundation. We would still comply in that ordinance from our interpretation. I'm not trying to step on your engineer's toes in by any means. Um but that's how we went >> unit variance for stories >> certainly do and the discussion with

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your engineer determines you know there were some questions on the overall building height >> that is the height. >> So does our engineering agree that they do not need it for for the height? >> They wouldn't need it on the calculated height but they would still need it for the number of floors. Okay. >> That's correct. >> And I think we would ask that you be

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able to provide those calculations in a followup. >> No problem at all to confirm. >> Yeah we can absolutely do that. Good. Okay. So on a question on the southern part of uh parking lot which is like I'm guessing there is nothing there

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and that's to be built >> the existing condition. >> Yeah. Existing. >> There's an existing parking field there today. >> Okay. So there are no trees. >> There are tree that I'll I'll stand up. >> Can you point Can you point to where the trailer where the trailer and the >> grab the mic?

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. You can grab the mic. Can you point to where the trailer and the um boat parking is going to be? >> Certainly can be. So this area is where the boat and RV parking is. There's an existing parking field that is essentially the exact same shape, size,

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scale as what is shown today. This area that you see along along Route 10, >> that area is existing trees from the aerial. None of that is being cleared out. It's going to remain. There are some added trees in here and there's a little bit of a, you know, there's a nub that we had to do and I'll talk about

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the realignment of the driveway. There's a little bit of a nick we take out of that, but the bulk of it maintained along the frontage >> because it's it's a a quick a hard turn into the into that area. >> Yes. And we've and that is something that we've discussed with the DOT as well as the applicant for what we're

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trying to do here. It's a little bit different than an office obviously. So, we've made amendments to that driveway to ensure safe and efficient access for all vehicles. Our traffic engineer will certainly get into that, but that driveway is being modified in a couple of ways, and I'll just go into it now.

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We are extending the radi as you come in and out of the site, which will require a DOT permit, which is currently in process to make sure that all vehicles can get on and off the site without having to cross into opposing lanes or anything like that. In addition, in the existing condition, the driveway sort of

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next to the left, and if we left that where it was, it would be very close to our self- storage building, what we don't want. And then having a direct straight driveway on the site is an ideal scenario for just safe and efficient movements for all vehicles because you get a decision point at the

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end of the driveway. You're lined up at a stop bar. There's it's a T intersection. It's very natural for a driver to handle and that decision point occurs 225 ft into the site. So from an access standpoint, that's as good as you can do and that's as safe as it can be.

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You get 225 ft to orient yourself to the site, look around, come to a controlled stop, look, and then make whatever turning movement you're going to make, either into the RV storage or to the self storage or to the office building that's to the west. >> So, there's only All right. So, that's

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all parking for the RVs in that to the left. There's only about 10 spaces for people to park if they're going in the storage unit yet. How many storage units are there going to be? So, there's 14 parking spaces proposed, like vehicle parking spaces in front of the self- storage facility, and there's two

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covered loading spaces that can accommodate box trucks and larger vehicles. You could you could park a pedestrian vehicle in there as well if you want the covered area. Um, it's up to you. Now, in from an industry standpoint, typically for these self- storage facilities, we are in the 1 per

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10,000 square ft to the 1 to 12,000 square ft for the number of parking that's sufficient for a site like this. This site's actually parked at 1 per 7,000. So, we're above the industry standard. And the reasoning behind using the square footage of the building

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rather than this number of storage units is that the number of storage units and the way that this site operates, and I'm probably stepping on my traffic engineer's toes a little bit here, um there's not an increase in intensity with the number of units. This is a very lazy use. So the square footage of the building, the industry standard, we

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exceed it and we feel very confident that the 14 spaces proposed is more than enough. >> So ju just for the record, like how many spaces do we have? 14. >> No, parking spaces are 14 versus the cell storage unit, how many units do we

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have? >> I I don't have the exact figure. The architect will give you the figure on the final unit count. >> Okay. And uh going back to my original question, so on the southern part of that are >> um so that area it so there is something

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that so there are no trees there. Is that >> No, no, there are trees. So I'll I'll spring up. This is the existing condition on exhibit A1. the trees and the curb line exist today. >> Okay. >> So, we are making some adjustments to the height of that curb line, but we're not making any adjustments to the location. So, all of those trees along

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frontage will remain. >> Okay. >> How do you lift that site and not affect the root systems on the >> Everything will be built up on our side as far as the wall is constructed. Um, and we can maintain those because we don't have to go deeper to get what

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we're trying to do here for those trees. >> Is the wall shown on the side plane? The wall is shown on the site plan. Yes. And as part of your board engineers letter, they've requested obviously design drawings that validate all of that and we'll absolutely submit that. >> Where's the existing retaining wall

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that's referred to in Mr.'s letter? >> Yeah, I'm not sure. >> It's in the rear. >> Yeah, there's an existing there's an existing retaining wall >> along the rear drive aisle. Again, we're not moving anything along that. We're not changing the elevation, so that wall will remain as is. He he made a comment

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about the condition of that wall. >> Certainly in the applicant, we discussed that prior to the meeting. They're going to have it inspected. It's kind of under a joint maintenance agreement for the site, but they'll have it inspected. If it needs to be replaced, it obviously will be. Um, but their interpretation currently is that there may be some

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maintenance needed, but the wall is in good condition. >> Are you going to talk about the location of the fencing? >> Yeah, I can I can get into that now. Or >> yes, >> we're asking the question. the traffic engineer will talk about movement of vehicles on the site. >> Yes, certainly. Yeah.

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>> My last question until here is so somebody mentioned like the elevation of the let let me stick to just the RV parking side of it. So elevation is going to be uh like any change in elevation.

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>> Yes, there is a change in elevation. >> How much? >> Uh let me grab my grading plan real quick just so I can get you the right number. because that decides like so right now from route 10 what's the what's the scenery today was this on

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foot >> yeah so there's a there's a 2 to 3 foot increase along that front property line and the along that front um tree line and the reason for that is we've regraded this site to essentially maintain the upper portion but we've flattened out the lower portion a little

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bit just to make it a little bit more usable that slope is pretty um is is pretty steep Um, so we're just raising that front edge um to make that a little bit more usable for our customers. There's also the added benefit of well benefit but to dig out the basement for

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this building. There's going to be a lot of extra soil so it naturally you know goes hand in hand with the development. >> So am I correct saying that on the northern northern east side of the parking lot there is no elevation change. >> Yeah, that's correct. It's almost identical.

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>> So and that's where all the residents are. >> Yes. So, there's a little bit of an elevation change on this side. Um, but the the rear of the site, there's there's nothing significant and there's no walls that extend beyond the front. Um, you know, there's nothing there's

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like no new walls or new major elevation changes along the existing wooded buffer on the side. >> Is there any residence on the more east side which we can see it in this picture, but is there >> where is the flat? What I'll do is I'll just refer to sheet one of one on exhibit A1. It's the

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aerial exhibit where I have a zoomed out version. >> Thank you. >> So you can see the the roadway. >> You just mark that. >> Yeah, it's it's still part of exhibit A1. It's just sheet one of one there or one of two. There's two sheets to that original A1. So now I'm referring to sheet one of two.

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>> So you can see this is the whole site that we were talking about. The entire site that we're looking at and the residential is is up and to the north and to the east. So what is immediately to the east of the psych >> residential hall >> that's accessed off of that is it flip

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lock. >> Yeah. >> Yeah that's correct. >> Yep. >> Was that manor? >> Okay. Correct. >> Wait. No. >> We just have to keep the record clear. So I'm sure you're going to have questions later. Just save them for when it's your turn to ask. >> Yeah. They were just they were

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correcting. >> Okay. Uh did you mention that on the east side where the there is a residence couple of residents maybe >> television is changing there >> very slightly not in a way not as much

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as and there's like a 2 to 3 foot change along the frontage you're talking plus or minus 6 in no wall no removal of trees nothing like that >> going up or down >> uh it'll go up >> so the water will stay on the property or it's going to run Yeah. And I'll get

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into the storm water system, but everything is on the property and conveyed to the DOT conveyance system that runs in Route 10. >> That's all existing, right? >> Yes. We're enhancing it, which I'll I'll get into. >> Some of the structures are changing

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locations just basified driveway, >> but it's following the same drainage pattern. >> Mhm. >> I just had a question regarding the grading of the parking lot. Uh there is a note that says the surface slope 2 and a half% is to be maintained. that might be in like one very specific area, but there's a lot of other slopes within the

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parking lot area. So, we don't clarify on the plans. >> We can soften that language. It's more of a target of what some of the the RV storage is looking for. If you get in that range, it's a little more usable for certain vehicles. So, that's what we're looking for. >> Yeah. >> Have any questions from the board?

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>> I've got I've got more testimony. I was just answering question. You made a comment as to the RV industry and what the grade should be within the parking lot. >> Are you within that standard grade?

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>> That is the purpose of the regrading of a portion of that lot is to either get within or closer to that grade to make it a more desirable area to park for the management company. >> What is the grade? The existing grade is is like a 5% slope and we're a portion

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of the parking lot will be reduced to 2 and a half or 3% which is a little bit better for the storage of some of these vehicles. >> Yeah. Parking a big RV on a 5% grade could be >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's it's it's obviously doable, but you know, you work with what you

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have as far as the existing condition. >> And that's one of the reasons we're going to need a major soil moving permit. >> That's correct. Yes. >> We'll get into that a little later. There's not um a proposed um access a a

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third lane to access into the property. >> No. And I'll let my traffic engineer get into the specifics of the DOT improvements. >> Um she has she has it all under control. >> The long vehicles to be coming out too. >> That traffic going up Route 10 is nuts.

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Believe me, I'm in it all the time. Don't mind that. >> They're speeding all the time. >> Choosing me is speeding. >> Yeah. And I'm going to >> I'll leave a little meat on the bone for my traffic engineer, but she'll explain how that driveway will operate.

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>> She'll explain >> and she's very good at what she does. So, she'll be up soon. >> Um, >> shall I continue? >> Yeah, sure. Excellent. So, I think we talked about these the the general circulation. We got into the um into the

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access, which I'll let my traffic engineer get into a little bit more as we move through. Um the exist there is an existing sign that's located along with the route 10 frontage. There's no changes proposed to that. Um as far as monument signs for this tenant on this application, and you'll see on the

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architectural testimony as well as their renderings what the proposed building mount and signage is going to look like. Um, I think we've gotten into a lot of the parking and loading. What I'll just say is it's designed to accommodate every vehicle that we expect on this

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site from RVs and boats to um box trucks that people may rent um to load stuff into the self- storage facility as well as emergency trash, all of your typical vehicles as well. Um, and our traffic engineer will get into that as well. Um

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I'll talk a little bit more about the landscaping just to give a little bit um more detail on what we're planning to do there. Uh yeah, landscaping and fencing. So at the current application, we'll just start with the fences because I know I heard that question is that the upper lot, the RV and boat storage lot

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is going to be fence and gate controlled. So there's a fence proposed around the exterior of the site. The current proposal is sort of that black chain link fence so it kind of disappears into the distance, but I've discussed it with the applicant if there's portions of or or opaque fence

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that's desired, something they're open to discussing with the board and the residents. So, we can certainly get into that as we go, but that upper portion um will be fenced. It's important to note that the majority of that parking lot sits 10, 15, 20 ft lower than the road.

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Um, so anything we anything that existing buffer is is is there today and anything we do to add will be a benefit. >> Where's that fence located? >> It's located around the edge of that curb line. >> Oh, please. >> So that fence line encompasses

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the the full we'll call it the circumference of that parking area >> and that's where we the police would have access into that. got to be recorded. >> I get you. I got you. So, yes. So, the around the circumference is security fencing, you know, to keep everything under control. And then at the main

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access, there will be gated control, which is where the codes come in, where the access is restricted after hours, that sort of thing. So, it's not a free flow of traffic. You'll have to have a code. It'll be locked after hours and all emergency services will have access to that gate at any time.

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There's no access through the back. >> No, no access through the rear. There's a single access to the site which is existing and being modified. [clears throat] >> How high is that? >> What's the height of the fence? >> What's the height of the fence? >> The height will be six feet. 6t fence.

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>> So they can jump the fence. >> Long behind it. pretty good car suburb. But >> there are al along the front edge as well as along the driveway um there are

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shade trees and shrubs provided to kind of revamp that corridor a little bit as well as try to maintain the aesthetic feel as you drive into the site. The existing trees per my landscape architect along the edges of that driveway are an invasive species in New Jersey and are recommended to remove

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them. So, what we've done is we've replaced them um with red maple trees that are a little bit more stately, a little bit larger. They're spaced out a little bit more, as you can see on that site, but they should grow in and be really an aesthetic tree that is, you know, more of more in um in line with

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what we're looking for at this site. >> And that's on either side of the driveway. >> Yeah. So, that's in the center along the edges of our driveway as long along the front edge of the site. There's also some like shrub plantings there to kind of just bring a little bit of character to that the front of that building.

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>> Excuse me real quick. You mentioned that the fence was 6' height. The plants say 5 foot height. I just want to confirm. >> I think the intention is 6 feet, but >> Okay. >> I don't think there's a any zoning relief associated with 6 feet. I just 6 feet my my natural inclination. >> All right. So, we'll amend the plans for

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six feet. >> Whichever's proposed. Just need to know which it is. >> Yeah, understood. So, moving into the grading and the storm water, I think we've basically covered what we're doing with the grading as part of this site as far as, you know, some of the grading amendments. But from a storm water

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management um standpoint, we worked extensively with your board engineer on just how the design was going to line up. And essentially what we've landed on in total concurrence with the current NJD rules as well as their green infrastructure is basically this lot is

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being treated as two separate developments from a from a storm water management standpoint. So the eastern lot, the RV and boat storage area has existing inlets and pipe conveyance that's taking the existing pavement and discharging it out to the DOT system

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along Route 10. That will continue to be the same in the proposed condition. We're realigning some of the pipes and the inlets to align with what the development looks like today, but essentially the storm water runoff is exactly the same and the proposed as the existing condition for that portion of

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the site. for the new portion of the site for that self-s storage building. We are upgrading the storm water management system there to provide both water quality treatment of pavement um located along the that building as well as detention and retention of storm

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water on site to reduce the peak runoff rates in accordance with the newest D rules. So to achieve this on this site, we're proposing a pvious pavement system in the pavement to the north of the self-s storage building. That pvious pavement system will treat the pavement

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in that area for water quality. It will also accept roof runoff, which is clean runoff into it. It will hold that water back and reduce the peak runoff rates going to the DOT system. So essentially we have an entire development that was designed without any thought to the

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current D regulations because it was done 25 years ago. And for the self- storage portion, the self-s storage building portion of this site, we're fully upgrading it to current D rules. Um we'll comply with reductions, water quality, um and everything there. So it's kind of a state-of-the-art green

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infrastructure system for that portion of the site. certainly be a benefit for the site itself as well as the downstream conveyance system that runs along the highway. Um, lighting. I know there was a couple of questions about lighting as we're proposing this as well. I think it's

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important to note that along the there's existing lights that are along the retaining wall along that that treat area right right behind the self- storage building. Those are going to remain as is. There's wall lights proposed on the building that are 15 ft high and they shine down on those

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parking spaces. In addition, there's there's four area lights proposed in the RV parking area. Those lights are 18 ft in height. All of these lights are LED downlit um dark sky compliant lights and there are there is no light spill beyond

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the extents of this property and that is a conservative value um because we have not taken into consideration any of the buffers along. So we essentially model as if is just grass out to the property lines and the majority of light is held to the curb line and any light spill

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goes to absolute zero before it gets near any property line on any side of the site. As you've heard, the facility will close overnight at 900 pm and the lights there will likely turn off at the same time. Usually you give your employees about an hour to get off site. So around 10 p.m. when the office lights

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turn off, you'll also have lights turning off here with some sort of security measure um allowed for um some low-level lights just to make sure that it's secure obviously like the office building, but nothing that would be noticeable after hours. >> Could you note where those lights are

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then? >> Certainly will. Yes. four lights in the RV parking area. >> We'll get up and point again. So, we've centralized those lights to the center islands um around light. We've directed them away from any property line. There'll also be backlight shields on

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all those. The LED lights are kind of easy to control in that way to control the back lit. Um so, all of that light basically the the main lighting area is a is a circle around the center. There's some light levels that drop to near zero at the curb lines and then zero as you

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move into the grass and towards the property lines. There's also wall-mounted lights mounted on the back of the building that shine down. They're pretty low. And then there's existing lights along the rear that are going to remain as they are today that exist for the for the office center. >> How tall are those lights along the rear of that?

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>> These um I don't have the exact height in the survey. I can say that our proposed lights are 15 feet and the lights in this parking lot are 18 feet. They sit, you know, between 10 and 15 feet below flint lock. So, there's going to be like kind of that natural buffer. They'll be sitting pretty low there. And

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we've tried to direct everything away from the property lines here. >> You know, there's spillage on on neighboring properties with the existing lights on the retaining wall. Do you know if that occurs now? >> I I have not performed a night [ __ ] at this point. Applicants certainly could do that. Um I'm not sure what light

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spill occurs from those lights. What I can say is that our model shows that we're not exacerbating that condition if there is anything. Right. You're keeping the same thing that exists now. >> Yeah. There's nothing that shines beyond what's what's there today. We've tried to centralize everything. >> Even the existing ones, they don't shine

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towards the neighbor. >> I haven't done a study. I don't know um what goes beyond those lights. Um but our proposed lights are intended to maintain all light on site. >> So if the existing light on the site shines towards the neighbors, are you going to fix recommend fixing >> fix it?

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>> Um I I I haven't done a study so I don't know. Are you going to do a study? >> I That's up to the board. >> I think you need to do a study. >> Yeah, we can we can walk the site at night and and get existing light levels. >> And coming to the end, I'll just

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summarize with um utilities on the site. The utilities are pretty straightforward for this. As far as sanitary um sewer connection, it's there's an on-site main that we'll be connecting into. So, um it's a low volume use. It's, you know, it's very limited use of the bathroom.

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So, not any kind of significant load on the on-site system or the downstream system. Water is provided from a connection at Route 10. It's actually there's a valve there today that we intend to reuse. And we're also relocating a fire hydrant to align with the new driveway um at the northeast

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island at the top of the driveway. So that's part of the application as well. Um electric and gas both come from Route 10 publicly available for the site. So with that, I'll wrap up. If there's anything I've missed, I can certainly answer it or we can open it. >> I do want to hear a little bit about soil moving on site.

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>> Yeah. So the soil the soil movement on site and this will apply to our major our major soil movement permit is is primarily um driven by the fact that we have three stories above grade and one story below grade. So that dirt that's under the existing site kind of within that hill

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structure that's there today will be removed to build a basement. It will then be used as fill to raise the front of the site in the RV and boat storage area. That's the majority of the movement. There'll be some there'll be some amendment of the grades in that

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parking area as well. So, there'll be some movement of existing soils around in the upper lot. Um, but the most significant soil movement that we're looking for here is basement to the RV and boat storage area. >> You're not taking soil away from the site. >> That's not the intention. No. Okay.

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>> How much soil are you moving on site? >> I would say it's a I can do the calculation. I don't have it off the top of my head. >> Look at the area. It looks like the footprint of the self storage building is about the same size as the area you're going to lift a little.

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>> Yeah, it's it's Yeah, it's it's >> But I mean, how how much how deep you going to go? >> It's a I think the I I don't have the exact height. We'll have to ask the architect what the depth of that basement is, but what we've calculated is essentially a balanced site from a soil movement standpoint for the amount

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that we're lifting it um in the area that we're trying to do it. Oh, with W's permission, I'd like to take a little break so he can get me that number. >> Like easy calculation like you know the basement has to be 10 ft. >> No, how deep they're going to go? >> Let's say 10 ft.

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>> No, I don't just need a little minute to get him to a little. >> Can we take a two-minute break anyway? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Always up. [laughter] >> 5 minutes. >> Good. >> Five minute break. >> You know what? We're back on record.

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>> First time. First time I can see. [laughter] >> I know how to do it, right? >> I got you. My glasses. >> I have my >> back on the record. Thank you. So, we were doing calculations regarding total

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amount of soil being moved on the site. What' you come up with? >> Yep. So that the the basement of that building, that footprint, it's going to be roughly 10 ft below grade. It's going to be about 9,500 cubic yards of um soil movement from the basement to the other side. Um and there will be some soil

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that comes off the site, I think. Um we'll have to see where we can spread it out, but it's about half of that total is going to be used underneath that parking area. To to your credit, you know, just naturally you kind of look at it, you can see it that way. >> So the rest of that would go off site and it's right there on the tab.

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Yeah, that's correct. >> No trucks to the neighborhood, nothing like that. >> No. >> Yeah, there's no access and there's no reason. Yep. >> And the soil will be tested, right? >> Yes. Yeah. They'll have to comply with all the regulations that are associated with so Absolutely. >> How how I would like to know when

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they're doing the construction, taking all that soil out, how the rest of the office buildings are going to dump in this little exit road going in and out because there's only one access in and out to the property. Yeah, there'll certainly have to be

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construction logistics as part of that because we're also realigning the driveway. So, the applicant as part of their construction effort will have to come up with an agreeable um construction plan that allows for the free flow access for the office building and that's going to be part of the management conversation on that side.

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>> Mr. Cro, you probably know this, but for the benefit of the other board members, the residents of that office building are [laughter] not a shy bunch. So, they'll definitely be involved. >> Well, I I do know that. Well, as the one company I worked for for a while, so I was in testimony.

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>> That that is the end of my testimony. Direct testimony. >> Did you do any soil testing in that area? You know what you're going to dig into or not? >> I don't have anything on hand currently. >> No, I've done no testing. I'm just getting into what you're going to need blasting on that.

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>> No, no, there we there is geotechnical evidence. There's no blasting needed as part of this. Really? >> Yeah. Anyone have any other questions? >> Yeah, nothing showed up in the geotechnical. That's >> on the other side. It's not a little splash. >> I have some items I'd like to just go

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through if we could. Absolutely. >> So, you had read through >> responses to a lot of the questions in in the letter uh July 29th letter from Tom Lmanitz. >> Um just wanted to touch on a few things. So, u major soil moving permit application will need to be submitted. Just want to put that on the record that

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it will have to be applied for. >> I'm not sure. Yeah, it's it's prepared and we'll submit it. >> Okay. Uh, a tree removal permit would also likely be required um for any rem I know there's not a lot being taken down, but there >> Yeah, same same status. It's prepared and ready to be submitted.

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>> Okay. And then one other item related to permits. Has there been any documentation submitted to NJ DOT regarding an access permit? >> Absolutely. And our and our traffic engineer will take you through it. >> Okay. Um, just first on those items, um,

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I know we would like at least a response in writing to the various questions that were brought up in the letter. Um, I know a lot is being touched on in testimony, but I think just for a condition of approval, that type of thing that everything is responded to. >> Absolutely. That's our standard practice. Would you be able to provide testimony about any existing utility uh

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within the 10- foot wide water easement that the proposed drainage is proposed to cross if there's anything there now currently? >> Yeah, I can absolutely do that and we we've surveyed that. So, there are utilities that are located there's kind of two easements along the frontage.

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There's a DOT easement as well as a water easement. Um, we will we will verify the height of that water to ensure that the new storm water measures that we're doing, they're going to be deeper just from an engineering standpoint, but we as part of the construction drawings, we'll have profiles that show the exact separation.

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We'll obviously have to work with the water company as well as we as we move in and around those utilities and make those connections, but all of the proposed storm water is either at or below the existing. So, um, we should have shouldn't have any clearance issues. >> Okay.

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Um a moment when we talked about some of the retaining walls uh you pro you said that structural calculations would be provided for the proposed retaining wall and then inspection would be provided for uh the existing wall just to be >> yeah that's correct and the intention is for those wall design drawings to be a

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building permit item unless there's any objection to that. >> I think that would be acceptable. Uh, another question regarding grading. Um, the critical slope areas. There was a note that said there's no newly undisturbed critical slope areas to be

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impacted, but uh, the ordinance does not differentiate between slopes that are or are not previously disturbed. So, I think that we would like to see calculations as to ensure that the slope disturbances meet the ordinance requirements. >> Yeah, we can certainly do that. >> Okay, that would we want to review those.

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Uh, regarding the drainage design with the pvious pavement, um, you've labeled overflow inlets. Would you be able to describe to the board the purpose of those, when they would be in use as it functioning as an overflow inlet? >> Yeah, so the the pvious pavement system comes with a pretty direct set of

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parameters that you're looking for. So there's like essentially two layers of pipes. There's a there's an under drain layer in that pous pavement system that as the water filters through to the bottom, it's given a place to leave um via an outlet structure. In addition to

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that, there's actually a a network of pipes towards the upper layer of the pvious pavement where those overflow grates which are essentially just inlets accept water and then recirculate them in these perforated pipes at the top of the system to continue the filtration

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and the storage of that water. It's kind of functions similarly to a leech field in a way. And then as as the water rises for your larger storms in there, there is an outlet control structure that would allow water to leave the site if it were ever to get to capacity. >> So the overflow inlets would be when

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it's reached capacity, it may >> Yeah. So if you get a if you get a very heavy rainfall, there's there's occasions where the pvious pavement can't absorb all the water that fast. So those that would flow naturally. It's graded just like you would a typical parking lot to those inlets so it could

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be captured, recirculated, and then head off the site. So that's basically the function of that just to ensure you're not getting a lot of ponding and heavy raintorms. >> So it's the form of like emergency conveyance. >> Exactly. It's it's if the pvious pavement, which is obviously pretty restricted because it's just essentially

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water flowing through um the aggregate of the asphalt, if that can't handle the rainfall that we're getting, some of the pouring rain that we've gotten recently, the inlets take it to a pipe system that allows it to drain into the system underground. Would you be able to provide testimony as to how um the the

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porest pavement basin area below the subgrade will be protected during construction to isolate it so that it's not completely filled with sediment prior to even being put in use? >> Yes, certainly. Typically, when you're you're doing these types of basins, you would um install these the stone base

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and the filter fabric around it to protect it. um and then hold off on the paving of it until, you know, until you're pretty close to construction. So, there's a construction effort there. There's construction specifications for the pvious pavement that once the stone is installed, you have to provide um

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filter fabric along all sides just so there's no exactly that sediment, silt, anything that gets into the stone base that would take away from the storage. So, it's kind of a construction logistic question. Um >> and that's be [clears throat] that's to the rear of the self storage facility. >> That's correct. Yes. That's also the

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main driveway access to the existing office building. >> Yes. So when that basin is is installed, there'll have to be a phased approach where they essentially build half of it at one time to allow access and the other half at the other time. I'm just like, you know, that's just my general opinion, but they will have to maintain

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access to the office building as they go through construction. It will require logistics and some thought, but certainly something that's achievable. >> But they'll work with all those office buildings. >> Yes, absolutely. Is the applicant going to own this property or

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>> do they is applicant leasing this property or >> Yes, he's going to be leasing the property to through the management company for the operation of self storage and the uh storage. Yes, >> the applicant owns the property. He owns

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the property. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Any other questions? >> I don't have any further at this point. >> Any other questions from the board? >> Is there anyone in the audience >> that would like to speak? >> Questions only, sir?

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>> We have we have which one you want first? >> Oh, let's go. >> We'll go with this. >> Make sure you identify yourself again, please. Name and address. >> Yes, I know you can tell. William Hammond HM M O N D at 120 Flint lock road. I own a company called Global Paving and we construct this this type

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of stuff all the time. >> Questions of this week. >> Yes. A question. Well, first question was for you. Do you have a RV parking lot next to your house? >> That's inappropriate. >> Inappropriate question. >> So the question is you you said almost no change. >> Almost no change was your statement, but

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you said this part is going to change by 6 in and this part's going to change by 3 and 1/2 ft. So, does that mean that every single bit of the asphalt has to come out? >> All of the asphalt is being replaced. That's correct. >> So, actually then this whole section is totally going to get changed.

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>> So, the part that you said that's pre-existing that's not like less than 70 ft once you take it out, you're you're going to reinstall the curb in in uh the offset area is what you're saying. >> I'm having a trouble understanding your

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question. So the >> you're taking all the curbs out. All the aspholds coming out. >> Uh most of the curb is coming out. >> Well, if you change any if you're changing it by 6 in, you have to take the curb out. >> Yes. >> So you're taking all the curb out. >> Um >> is there any way >> again? I'm being I'm being clear. >> No, I'm trying to ask him if he I'm

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trying to answer one question at a time. >> So as far as all of the curb, some of the curb around the perimeter is going to be maintained and that's towards the rear towards Flint Lock Road. >> And that's the section you said was going to change by 6 in. That's not the section that's going to change. That

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you're what we're referring to is farther south and east. As you where the retaining wall is at the southeast corner, >> there is a grade change that extends essentially up to that central parking area. So from between, let's say, as you start at the very corner, it's about 2

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ft. And as you get to that central parking field, kind of where that curve ends, that's going to be, you know, that's going to connect into existing. So it's going to go from a twoft change. I was going to say, excuse me, could you please show us what you're referring to? >> You know what you're talking about and we don't know what.

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>> Yeah. So, there's going to be a twoft change at this corner and then that is going to feather back into existing conditions at this point. So, essentially the grade returns to the natural grade that is there today at this point. So, there is a there is a change in grade along this curb line.

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So, that curb will be removed. it will be regraded um anywhere between a foot and a half to 6 in of grade change and then zero obviously as you get back to natural grade. >> So there there is no grade change on the west side of the parking lot. >> There is a grade change on this side.

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I'm just speaking specifically to this side. Got it. >> This area curve is to be maintained. There's nothing changing. >> No change. Yep. Okay. >> And is uh so I thought you said three to four feet is when you said it before because I wrote it down >> along along the maximum along the frontage. It increases in height. It's

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not a it's not a consistent height. It's a maximum height on this side and it slowly gets closer to grade as you go towards the end of the wall. >> So the question is to you if it's past the the allowed spacing, why would you not bring it back to where it's supposed to be being you're redoing everything?

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Um, but we're trying. We're just re We're reutilizing the existing parking lot. >> I'm sorry. I thought you said you're tearing all the parking lot out. >> Yeah, we're we're replacing it anytime. >> So, you're not reusing it? >> We are using the parking area, but I don't we don't need to argue about >> No, the question was why would you not move it back to where it's supposed to

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be? So, you conform to all the the the variances. >> Um, because we the engineering alternative here is to reuse the existing it's a it's an adaptive reuse of an existing parking area. I'm still confused because but that was the two foot variance on the people on their patio just all they had to do to make

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the variance were was just to move over two feet. I don't understand why he couldn't bring it back so that be more of a buffer in that area. >> It's possible but for the adaptive reuse of this parking field that's existing. This is what the proposal is. >> And uh you said a pvious paving what

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type of pvious paving system are you planning to use? >> The intention is to use a pvious asphalt pavement system. >> What what percentage of water goes through that? Um, I don't have that figure off the top of my head. >> And if this is pre-existing and it's from 25 years ago, we are changing the

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grade a little bit, isn't the water calculations have to be brought up to the date to new where they still can use the old 25-year-old calculations of uh, water retention? >> They that parking area and we had this discussion with your engineer pretty extensively. So when in the current

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rules of the NJD a redevelopment of existing pavement does not require the upgrade to a full development upgrade. So that that parking field and the proposal in front of you in conjunction with conversations with your board engineer complies with current NJD rules

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as it regards to redevelopment. >> And just two other questions. So I think you how is does this get buffered from the back? Obviously, my my house is back here somewhere that a five or six foot uh chain link fence is going to do any sort of privacy.

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>> Well, and that's that's the discussion we were having is that there's a there's a new 6ft chain link fence for security. I believe there is like a existing fence that's in the woods. We're not we can remove that. We weren't factoring it into this application. The applicant is open to making portions or all of that

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fence opaque for additional screening. Um, but essentially the way we looked at this is because we're not taking away any of the wooded buffer, we were trying to make that fence disappear with that black chain link. But if the residents that are impacted by this application want to see something different, the applicant is agreeable to that.

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>> Well, Flint Rock is higher than >> Yeah, that's correct. It's it's roughly 10 ft higher than the site itself. >> You keep saying the road. >> Well, I don't see those numbers. The other question was Yeah. How how tall is an RV? >> Yeah. Yes.

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>> How tall is the boat? >> Right. That's how >> No, was a question. I'm sorry. >> Yeah, I don't I don't have that. I don't have the exact figure for that. >> Would it be higher than six foot? >> Yes. >> So, we're trying to >> So, these things could be >> It's important that we maintain a clean record. So,

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>> so it's possible that the fence will be lower than the RVs and the boats that are parked in there. >> That's definitely what's going >> And I know back 25 years ago, they did have pine trees back there which are basically all gone and dead. So the uh the only plans I see on your landscaping are just these few trees you're putting

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here that do nothing for the privacy anywhere else. >> Yeah. So the what what one of our responses to your board engineers question that exact question about additional buffering. Our landscape architect reviewed that area. There's not really areas that you can plant additional trees within the existing

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tree canopy that would survive. Essentially those tree canopies, anything you tried to plant in there um would not thrive in there. So, we're absolutely open to having your board professionals, our landscape architect go and target specific areas where maybe

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it's a little bit more bare. If there's dead or diseased trees, replacing those trees with something else. There just wasn't there wasn't an ability in that area to just like plant a big evergreen hedge because it wouldn't survive the existing tree canopy. Agreed to let the town forester take a look at it.

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>> Yeah, they would accept that recommendation. your recommendation would be >> I think you have to wait to get a determination from the board as to whether or not >> the buffer that exists today

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>> uh and the buffer under this proposal are going to be the same >> understand >> they are not then you may have plenty of area whatever reason >> so if you went to that the question is if you went to that 70 foot offset that that's the variance you're going for you

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would have plenty of room to put that uh bushes and trees in there. >> Yeah, but we're we're reusing the existing extens. >> The other question, you said 14 14 parking places, aren't two for the employees cuz you said there's two employees there all the time. >> Yeah. Whenever we look at the

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calculations for parking, and again, I'm stepping on my traffic engineers toes a bit. Um the the calculations for appropriate parking for any facility, commercial, self- storage, those the the employees are factored into that number. So the 14 spaces that we propose here

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exceed the industry standard for a self- storage building and that includes when employees are using those parking spaces as well >> and your traffic engineer is going to go into that in detail. >> So we we haven't heard how many um storage units are in the building. >> There's there's a lot of >> Yeah, there there's more testimony to

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come on the intensity of the use as it regards the parking and traffic that you'll hear from our traffic engineer. >> And just one other question, I know these cars pulling backwards to load their cars for storage. What what is your plan to stop the headlights going into the houses and into the road that's straight ahead of it? >> Well, there is a retaining wall and a

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wooded buffer that is along the rear of the property. >> And that retaining walls is higher than a uh a truck because I said >> I believe so. I can get you the exact height. It's a little bit small here, but let me see if I can pull it. >> And also just the last little thing that you said the pre-existing >> question that's on the

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>> I just trying to answer your question. >> Yeah. So that that retaining on the rear is is somewhere between 3 and 5 ft. Um and in addition to the trees, I think you know you'll have pretty sufficient amount of headlight glare block there.

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And again and you'll hear this from a traffic engineer, it's a it's a lazy infrequently used. So the the the nuisance of a headlight glare um here is definitely reduced over, you know, a a commercial use or something like that.

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So you're saying people aren't going to be using the storage facility very much? >> No, they use it more spread out. So the and you'll hear again from our traffic engineer, the traffic generation of of a self-s storage facility is substantially less than a retail commercial use. So it's >> Well, why don't we save it for the traffic engine?

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>> Yeah, fair enough questions. >> Uh I didn't see where the uh the uh garbage container standing. >> Dumpster. Dumpster. Is that somewhere >> the dumpster? >> Yeah, there's not a dedicated dumpster

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shown here. And that is a function of the use. The users of the self- storage facility are not allowed to throw away boxes, trash, anything like that. So any trash that is associated with this facility is office, you know, bathrooms of the office. So it's very limited. A

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trash, an exterior trash enclosure is not needed um for this type of use. >> So there's no dumpster. >> There is not an exterior dumpster proposed. That's correct. >> Where do people just put their coffee cups or the gar the boxes and stuff? >> There will be there any customer of this

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facility has to take has to take in and remove their materials and there'll be garbage cans in the office that collect you know minor waste that would be more akin to residential than you know a food preparation place that needs a dumpster. >> So the town's taking the garbage away or you have a

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>> there'll be a private hauler and it'll be coordinated with a private pickup. So there has to be a there has to be a dumpster but the garbage >> there's no outdoor dumpsters. >> So Erin, so I understand. So there's no garbage uh method of taking away the garbage right now. Is that correct? >> There's no outdoor dumpster. They're

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taking away the garbage with a private hauler is what he just tell. >> Yeah. The garbage will be stored inside the building in things less than those large um dumpsters that you see in a trash enclosure. >> Is that the same response?

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>> So the dirt the dirt that you with the bottom. >> Yes. >> Right. >> There will be no >> no dumpster which would be attractive. >> Any kind of trash receptacle at all. >> They have to haul it off, don't they? >> They have to take it with them. >> Yeah, customers do. And then the

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ancillary things that you would just generate as a residential use. Think about the residential cans you have at home. Those are stored inside the building. >> I know you mentioned about the the amount of dirt that you're being removed. Isn't the drainage system is not a lot of the dirt has to be calculated for that to be removed too?

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>> The the amount of soil movement and removal on the site does not have an impact. Oh, are you saying with the basin? Is that what you're getting at? >> You said you're building a basin, so you have more dirt you have to take away more than 97. >> Yeah. And I extended that number a bit just to cover ourselves. But yes, there will be some soil removal for that basin

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system as well. I think it's about 3 ft of stone. I'd have to look for the specific number, but as we redevelop the site excess soil that's it's yes >> and the only tree do you have another landscape plan that's going to address so this doesn't look like this >> or is this this is the this the max of

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the plant planting >> yeah so the testimony that I provided is that the proposed trees are more substantial and larger so they'll grow to 35 ft wide 35 ft tall they'll provide a nice stately tree along there and they're just in replacement of there's

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an existing trees that are lower line that are pear trees that are invasive to New Jersey. So, we're our proposal is to provide more substantial shade trees. Um, but obviously we are happy to work with the forester, with your board planner, anybody that has an opinion on what the trees should look like along

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the frontage as well as the driveway. >> But right now, it's just the six trees that are not doing anything for privacy, just on on the propert. >> Those trees are not intended for privacy. Those are an aesthetic tree for the entrance to the facility. >> Yeah. All right. Thank you.

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>> Anyone else would like to come forward? >> Yes, I would like to >> just identify yourself and tell uh >> Daniel King. I live at 77 Flint Lock Road right behind this property. >> Um so you started with this completes the vision from 25 years

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ago. 25 years ago did they intend to put a storage facility here? It it completes what I was referring to in my opening is that this completes development that this site was envisioned to be developed and this completes the development that

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has been has been laying in sort of ruin for the last 25 years. >> Okay. My question was 25 years ago did they intend to put a storage facility here? >> They intended for >> any idea what anyone did 25 years ago. >> Well, they built a foundation and a sha

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and a stair shaft, did they not? >> Yes, they did. So what was that for? >> So the answer I would give for that question is as we move to our architectural testimony, I think that visual of what that building looks will give you an idea of what the vision for this project is. Um I was I was just

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speaking as an opening when I was talking about the vision of the site. Um but the the >> right but I'm allowed to ask questions on whatever you said. That's fine. >> Okay. So that's what I'm doing >> and I'm clarifying. So, you don't know what this building was intended to be that was here?

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>> Intended to be an office building as far as we can tell. >> So, what kind of office building? >> We don't know. >> Well, don't wasn't the sister to the building that's there now. >> Likely. >> I don't know. >> We don't know. But we >> How do you not know? You have the foundation plans,

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>> but you have the foundation plans. You're an engineer. understand that the foundation is similar in size and shape to the adjacent building and we've mimicked that with our proposed building building >> that doesn't look anything like that building >> the the footprint itself. Yes.

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>> Okay. So, what's the elevation of the top of this building that's there now? What's the elevation of the existing building? >> The height of the parapit it's 42 ft. >> No, not the height. What's the elevation?

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the elevation of it. >> Yeah. Not the height of the building off of some arbitrary distance to the ground. What is the elevation of the top of the building? >> Give me one second to do the map. >> Like above sea level. >> I understand. Yeah. Just give me one

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second. It's at roughly elevation 715.5. >> Okay. What's the elevation of the top of the parapit of your new structure? >> Was it 715? Was he existing? >> Yeah. 715.5.

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>> Wait, hold on. Let me make sure I have that number right, too. Yeah. 715 and then our building would be at elevation and I'm going top of the survey of the building that I'm referring to is the actual top of the

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building. The top of the visual building. >> Yeah. To the top of the parapit building the highest >> for both of them. So the original was 17 715.5 and the proposal >> is for 710.3. >> It's less dam.

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>> So yeah, so it's roughly 5 ft lower than the existing building when doing it compared to natural grade. >> Okay. >> Existing building stairwell. >> Yeah, the existing No, the Oh, I'm talking No, we're discussing the existing office building to the west. Just to clarify your question.

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>> It's there now. >> Yeah, we're speaking the same. Okay. So, it's 5T lower. The new one is >> plus or minus. Yeah. >> Okay. >> This wall. You're talking about this wall. So, you're saying you're filling this in 3 ft. >> You mean the wall? >> The wall to the southern extent of the

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property that where we're f the highest point of fill maximum fill of 3 foot. >> What is the height of the current wall? >> There is no current wall. >> I thought this I thought this you were adding to the current wall here. No, we're adding to the current slope. There's a there's an aggressive slope

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along the front of this site. Yeah, there's no existing wall. So, there's a wall in the rear of the property that we're not adjusting. >> Are you building a wall here? >> That's correct. >> What is the wall? >> It's 2 to 3 ft in height. >> But what is the structure of the wall? >> Oh, I I don't think we've chosen the material yet. I'll have to talk to the

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applicant about that. >> But it's not just filled slope over the the roots of the trees that will >> No, that's that's not what it'll be. It will be retained either the same way with a with a tie wall like you see in the back wall. Could be a block wall or it could be a poured concrete. That's a

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little expensive. We probably won't do that. Um I would anticipate um either something that mimics it or a block wall. >> All right. You said earlier that your uh landscape architects have done a study that trees won't grow along the property line. >> Yeah. So

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>> this is south on this drawing, correct? >> Yeah. So, anything that I'm done I'm not done asking questions. These are the shadows of these trees. Correct. >> Right here. There's a shadow of a building. There's shadows of these trees in a digital aerial photograph. Correct.

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So, that means the sun like we know goes this way. Correct. >> So, explain to me how trees wouldn't grow in this sunny patch that's on the part of the easement of their property right here along all these houses. >> Okay. So again, I'm speaking on

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>> especially this side I would say and all of this side gets glaring sun. >> I am speaking on behalf of my landscape architect. So this is this is not I'm not a landscape architect. >> Okay. >> We I think you may have misspoke because there's a ton of sun here.

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>> Well, no. The point is is that the our landscape architect visited the site, visually inspected those areas, and if you were to plant buffer plantings inside of the existing tree canopy regardless of light, I don't know what the exact mechanism is,

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>> but he has directed that those trees will not thrive because it's underneath the existing canopy of it regardless of light. >> So that's coming from a professional licensed landscape architect through me. But if you had >> doesn't want to spend money in trees

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>> come out and say the same thing >> that was something and that was something that we offered >> right so if the forester said the trees would thrive is the applicant okay with adding the trees absolutely forester would say we do >> okay so they're saying that if

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>> so if I hire an arborist or an >> town would hire the town so independent well it's the towns as part of our discussions and responses to your board engineer. We offered to walk the site with your forester so we could identify those exact areas. To just

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throw things arbitrarily on the plan wasn't worth anybody's time. >> If the if the we what we offered if the board sees fit to approve this, we would as a condition of that approval, we would say the township forester gets the final say on the plings. Now, if he

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orders the plantings and our forester was right and they die, >> that's something different, >> right? >> So, you know, but >> we'll do whatever he wants. >> Excuse me, sir. >> Do you mind how many parking lot like

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parking spaces have the microphone? >> He's here. >> Okay. >> I'm an engineer, too. I can answer. [laughter] >> Ask me. >> I'm going to ask. He's in the middle of asking. He'll have a chance right now. >> Okay. >> Let him finish asking his questions.

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>> So, are you aware with these parking spots right here? >> Yes. >> These parking spots right here. This is a head-end parking, right? >> That's correct. >> Um, and these are existing parking spots. >> Yes. >> And people park here all the time for the existing office, >> I would assume. So, yes.

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>> And when they have their headlights on, you stated you don't think they hit the houses behind. You could disate that. >> Well, you said when they parked here, >> Yeah. >> you thought there was adequate tree covered that they wouldn't shine into the houses. >> So, just for a just for a dis just for a clarification there. So, those parking

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spaces are not in front of a wall. The wall occurs in front of our development. >> A wall this tall. >> It it extends >> somewhere somewhere between three and 5t as you move along that. Obviously, the wall is variable. And then in addition to that, there is the wooded buffer that

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is between our the wall, the top of the wall and the property line. >> So I live here and these shine right into my house. >> Yeah. And that that >> these ones are going to shine right into this house. >> So just for clarification and I don't want and I'm not discounting what you're saying for clarification, the parking

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spaces that are there today that people are parking in are on the same elevation as the area in the woods behind them. the wall begins and extends in front of our parking spaces >> where where we're proposing. >> Yeah. So you you're saying you you have

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to reduce this grade which is currently about 6% to 3%. Right. >> So that's going to extend this grade roughly 50 ft. >> So show me where the wall ends cuz that doesn't quite jive. >> It's actually kind of a coincidence. >> You need a mic. >> I need a mic. take that.

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>> So, it's kind of a coincidence in what we're talking about because the wall ends right at the limit of those parking spaces. So, at this point, you're you're basically at level and then that wall increases to I think it's about 5 ft as you get over here. So, 3 to 5 ft in that area. But exactly as you're saying,

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these parking spaces are the same level as this driveway or the same level as this ground. So with that, if it goes from 0 to 5t here, it's 2 feet tall in front of these parking spaces. That's how slopes work. >> I can give you exact figure.

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>> That's how slopes work. It's if it's a 3% grade. That's what you said. Maximum for RVs, then this from Z from here to here. If it's a 0 to 5t change in the middle, it's 2 and 1/2. >> So my point is the lights will shine into the houses.

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>> So at that direction, kids love this stuff, guys. the direct point that >> asking questions and giving testimony. Just stick to ask. >> I am asking questions. I'm just like correcting the answers a little bit. >> Well, that's testimony. So, try can I keep asking questions?

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>> You'll have a chance. Could you give testimony? >> Thank you. I was going to ask that question. >> So, quick quickly to clarify that question as far as the height of the wall at that point, I'll just give you an exact figure so we're not speaking in generalities. Directly in front of those loading spaces that we're discussing,

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the parking lots The parking >> the parking lot elevation is roughly elevation 675. The top of wall elevation in that exact location is roughly 680. So there is a 5ft wall which >> in front of that

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>> at which point is it 5t tall? >> Directly in front of the loading spaces that we were discussing where the headlights were this space or this space. We're talking about the central loading spaces were the only spaces where somebody would back in >> the parking central loading covering

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zones. >> It's these two spaces that are intended for backed in loading. There's a 5ft wall in front of that in that location. It ramps up pretty quickly in this area. >> Paul, you're indicating there's a 5ft wall in front of the loading parking spaces.

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>> Are there topographic plans for this? >> There are. It's And I'm I'm reading directly off my grading plans. Yes. Are we is this available to us? >> Was that part of your was that part of your submission? >> Yes, in the submitted site plan on sheet C5. >> Okay. So, it's part of the submitted plan and you're welcome to come and

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review those. >> Do you have any other questions? >> I do. Um, the lights you're putting in, are they the same as the lights that are there now? The lights that are there now? I'm sorry. I'm going to testify. >> They're not. >> Are they the same as the lights that are there now? >> They are not the same.

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>> What's different? >> They these are state-of-the-art LED lights. I'm honestly not sure what the existing lights are today. >> Retaining wall. >> Um, yeah, along the retaining wall, I am not sure what type of lights those are, but we are proposing anything that's proposed as an area light for our site

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are state of the le state-of-the-art LED down lights. >> What's a down light? >> It's just a full cut off light. So, there's no there's no visible fixture from the sides of the top of that light. It's like essentially a box that shines directly down.

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>> Is there is there a hood on that light? There are the well the way that the um that the LED lights work, they are angled away. It's it's a backlight shield on it, but it's different than the boxy lights you saw in the metal hallides and and those big boxes with the big shields. They they're more

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easily controlled with the LEDs. So, it's more sleek design, I would say. >> All right, that's all I have for now. >> Is there anyone else that would like to Here we have this. Can you just identify yourself again, please, ma'am? >> Aaron Bootsk, 77 Flint Lock Road in um

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Morris Plains right behind. Um so with the lights, so these are going to have 18 ft lights that are going to be LED, which we know LED lights are like the bright light. They're not going to have any of that like like in our neighborhood we have um like those

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yellow lights. Is it going to be a yellow light or is it going to be a bright white light? So what we have proposed as part of this application is um we are proposing a 30K light temperature which is the warmest of the LED. So they go from 5,000 which is like

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a warehouse use 4,4500 is typical for commercial and then 3,000 Kelvin which is proposed here is the is the warmest you can get in LED lights industrial site for an industrial site. not for an industrial site. For any LED light, the warmest color you can get to is 3,000

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Kelvin, which is the proposal here. >> And then these lights are um so that facility is open 7 days a week until 9:00 p.m. except for on Sundays. So these lights are going to be on until about 10 p.m. because the people have to

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leave. Uh you're going to have the lights on for them to get in and out of the facility. >> Yes, that's correct. So, we're going to have lights on until 1000 p.m. Um, LED lights like this until 10 p.m. 365 days a year.

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>> Uh, whenever the the operation is open. >> Are they open during holidays? >> I have I do not have knowledge of that. >> Do people have access to their storage facility in holidays? >> I I I am not the witness to ask that question. I do not know. >> Okay. So, that's something I would be interested in because with the, you

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know, pre-existing lights, it's it's it's >> uh let's see here for the RVs um and the boats without and you have the um the architectural the architectural um engineer that's coming

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in. So, with the RVs and the boats that don't have to have the um anything on them to protect them, what's going to prevent like puddling and the mosquito buildup and things like that? Is there anything about that? Like when the puddling and you know how you have

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puddling water, you're going to have mosquitoes. >> You're saying inside their boat or whatever it is. Yeah. I I think that's a that's a maintenance issue for the owner of that uh of that vehicle. >> I think it's going to be our issue. And then um

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let's see here. I still didn't get Are you aware of the storage facility? What it's going to look like? The building itself >> an architect. >> Yeah, there are colorized renderings that you'll see as part of this application. >> And then this building um I know that the building that's there is a threetory building. The office building is three

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stories, right? Okay. And then this building you want to make it four stories. >> It is three stories above ground. So from a from a visual standpoint, it will be the same number of stories as the office building and will be shorter than the office building. >> So why wouldn't you just build a building that is two stories and then

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you would be within the ordinance? >> We're asking for three. Yeah, we're asking for three because there it's it's and and again our planner is going to get into the proofs of why, but the best engineering alternative from a site design standpoint is that the threetory building is consistent with the

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remainder of the site and that's why we've proposed it and is compliant with the height restriction. It's just it's just a difference of the of the stories which is two and a half versus three. >> But you're going down one. That's >> there is going to be one story

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underground. Yes, that's correct. That doesn't count. >> Yeah, it's a basement. >> You'll take an elevator down or >> Yes, you'll take an elevator to all the stories. Yes. >> Up and down. >> Okay. >> And then I have a question about the um So, you said that if you guys decide to

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put up trees and then they die and then like shrugs, is that like what would >> there's there are and and you're probably your attorney and your board engineer. there are landscaping guarantees that anything we plant the the owner is responsible to replace in a certain period of time. So

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>> um >> because we don't want to be I mean well okay so if we have an opaque fence like what is that going to be like a chain link fence with all those little things through it. What's the proposal on that? That >> currently we have a fence that is a chain link like a black chain link so it kind of fades in the background but the

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applicant is as we've stated is open to an opaque fence or board on board vinyl something like that that you couldn't see through. >> And then what if like kids vandalize it or if it gets vandalized by your people who are there who's responsible for >> obviously in any case for that that's a site maintenance issue. So it's certainly the responsibility of the

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management company as well as as the ownership. >> We also have a lot of deer. So, um, are you guys taking that in consideration like with things that would be able to thrive in that area because they do eat the plants. So, that's something that you would have to >> Yeah, something certainly that our

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landscape archite architect takes into consideration. We have a benefit of it's an existing parking lot, so I don't think the animals are drawn to it now. And then we're going to put up a fence around it. Obviously, deer can get up in the air, but um there's not going to be a lot of deer edible things located

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within the parking field. >> All right, that's my question. >> Yeah, >> looks like we have one more in >> pretty soon. Yeah, >> pretty soon. >> Mr. Clark, >> make sure you use the microphone to ask questions. Just identify yourself again

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for the microphone, please. >> Uh Bernie Clark in Flintlock Road. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. Did you say there was going to be no change to the buffer zone in the rear of the property? >> That's correct. The existing buffer is maintained.

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>> Then why are you just read what's here? >> I noticed for the buffer was not there. I noticed is the whole thing being a variance without the parking lot because I couldn't find any plan showing the parking. I explained that.

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You can go ahead and ask that same question. >> Let me >> Okay, let me try to find it again. >> Why are you requesting a variance that would reduce the rear view buffer area

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from 70 ft that is allowed to 21 ft as proposed? we we included as a variance because we didn't have hard proof or a previous application at our fingertips because it was so long ago. So essentially we're establishing in this application the existing edge of the

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development. We're not changing it. It's also the proposed edge but that variance applies to an existing condition that we're maintaining. Do you know that I've lived there long enough to remember when all this was built and how you can say, "Oh, I can't find

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>> Why don't you look harder to find that the Mr. Clark did request it came back nothing. So what do you I'm not going to go into the back through >> I've been in this town long enough. I'm not going to go in the back and just

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there's no back and forth. Do you have any more? I'm not used to >> I understand. Mr. O'Neal. Any more questions? Mr. Clark, >> have you looked at the zoning restrictions that are attached to the deeds that I have and that you have

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where things about the buffer is clearly spelled out. And it, as I said before, whether there's a settlement agreement or a judgment or a deed restriction is not for this board to determine. >> I asked the question if he had looked

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there. >> Did you look? I did. >> And it's there. I got it. >> It's waved. 1975. Your name is on the judgment. >> I know that. >> So, you know, you waved it. >> I didn't wave it. >> Okay. That's

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>> that's why we're not discussing that now forum. >> Okay. It's >> that's not for this forum. Do you have any other questions of this witness? >> I I can't understand why they're asking for you know, >> Mr. O'Neal. It's 5 to 10. And

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>> why don't we just see if there's anybody else question any questions of this witness? >> Doesn't look like it. >> Okay, Mr. O'Neal, it's 5 to 10. >> It does seem like a good point to stop. >> Please. Thank you. >> Goodbye.

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>> What we got? >> Will you actually be carried to your next available meeting? >> Yep. It will be >> October 21st. >> 7:30 7:30 >> with no further notice. Correct.

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>> And Mr. O'Neal with extensions, please. >> Through the end of October. >> Yes. >> You said October 21st. October 21st. >> So if there's anybody in the audience, >> please understand that this application is being carried to October 21st at 7:30

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and you will not get any additional notices. >> This is your notice. >> Yes, you would like to vote. >> May we have a motion, please, and a second. >> Motion second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Mr. O'Neal, October 21st at 7:30 in the

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evening. >> Thank you, everyone. Have a great night. >> You do. Thank you. >> Motion to adjurnn. Chair. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> It's almost second. >> All in favor? >> Nice. Thank you. >> That's always second. >> Oh boy.