##VIDEO ID:n6-fdyi0e_s## good evening we're on record uh welcome to the meeting of the township of parsipany Troy Hills Board of adjustment today is Wednesday February 5th 2025 and it's 7:30 p.m. announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with njsa 10 colum 4-6 at SEC of the open of the New Jersey open public meeting act uh Mr burkowitz here uh m d miss here Mr josowitz here Mr musarella here Mr Quinn here Mr R yeah uh chairman chairwoman sorry gani pres we have our board planner Mr Chadwick pres our board engineer Mr L manowitz and our board attorney Mr Johnson here would you please stand with us for the Pledge of Allegiance yes I I pledge allegiance to the FL of the United States of America and to the rep for it stands na indivis can raise your right hand please is swear affirm that any testimony should be the truth the whole truth or nothing but the truth yes I do thank you good evening if there are individuals here for the application 24 col 38 Islamic community cultural center that will be held on April the 2nd at the parcion high school at 7:30 p.m. do we need a motion so Mo a motion it was carried it was it was off cared yeah so resolutions we'll go into them quickly application 2455 uh Bender for Parkside Drive block 763 Lot 2 um those who can vote are burit de cros ped's not here Quinn ready and grani uh for approval of dismissal of application for failure to appear can I have a motion so move second second burkowitz yesos yes Quinn yes ready yes grenani yes is there anyone present that would like to speak of something other than what is on our agenda this evening see application 2468 on yand Nasi n minihaha Boulevard block 528 lot 14 Zone R4 a SE variance to construct a new twostory single family dwelling with two covered pches and a patio contrary to section 43035 columns 4 mini Halla Boulevard and Sue Avenue nine patio rear yard and 10 hello sit down can you raise your right hand please do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give to be the chth please state your name and spell your first and last name please first name is y a l n n a i a great thanks you can have a seat just make sure you use the microphone okay raise your right hand Please square orir morning about to give should be the truth yes take your name spell your first and last name my name is Jonathan babula B A Ula I'm a registered architect for my client uh I got my degree in 2004 in NGIT I've been practicing architecture for about 20 years now um my license standing I testified this board and about a dozen other boards you are acceptable as an expert architect thank you wanted to tell us what this is working good evening my name is once again y uh I am the owner of n minaha um who would like to demolish the house uh build a new construction um we need a variant for the setback and um that is I have some supporting um other houses within their neighborhood they brought and you pull the microphone close just pull the whole thing closer no the whole so yes um so I have some other properties in the area and I would like to build N9 minaha something similar to the surrounding um houses and is it your intention to live there once that's done yes I did and you also need a coverage variance SCB you have your architect here with you yes is there anything else that you'd like to say before we hear from your architect um no it'll explain better okay and um you guys oh you brought some things with you that you'd like them to see just yeah just some supporting other supporting I was just searching okay do you have a pen down there okay then I'll I'll take care of marking if I'll I'll like made some extra copies for everybody okay so are there multiple copies of multiple types of documents like no was the same one there eight cop you want me to Mark when they want to give it that would be perfect thank you and what is it that you gave us uh is um similar homes similar homes with in the area within a mile few blocks away are they are they photographs what are they yes photographs yes okay so these are a set of photographs of similar homes in the area is that correct and I believe like nine minaha will look you know presentable within the area okay can I ask a question sure um you said that you build other houses in the area that are like this no um there's other homes in the area that uh are going to be similar to this oh so it's not like we're going to put something gantic it's going to fit in so you haven't built any others no no okay the pictures of these Lots look like they're larger Lots than they yours that correct yes [Music] theyig the pictures that you said distributed the Lots appear to be larger than yours is that right it is not sure I mean I'm just looking at Lakes Shore Drive I don't know what relationship it those lots look to be [Music] wider than what you have yeah significant difference in the width right I'm just asking if you knew [Music] but 100 how many bedrooms are you planning to have in this home you want the architect go that I'm sorry to [Music] interrupt think we're do you have anything else you want to say before we hear from your AR anyone in the audience that would like to ask questions of this applicant so now you like your architect to explain what is plan show correct correct okay go go ahead okay um so does everybody have the um plot plan or the site plan submitted uh by [Music] ACS I'll review that first um what is the date of the plan uh on the ACs that I see here it is 31824 there's a revision box over there 827 24 correct okay because the I'm looking at the Varian it says front yard on Mini Vol required is 25 ft proposed 18.8 ft the survey that we just identified shows 25 ft the 18.5 or 18.8 is going to the front steps of the front Portico there which is um it's not fully covered just on post or can um there's no Canon lever in the front over there either there is a two holding it up uh not even there's a the it's actually to the step itself to the first step so that's where the 18.8 is in a mini haha and the 21.5 on the same circumstance on Sue where you've got 215 over the the overhang of the steps correct so the structure theoretically falls into compliance yeah yeah the main the main structure of the house does fall within the 25 ft both on um both front yards and uh again we comply with the side yard setback and the rear yard setback uh this is a corner lot uh we do conform uh with the uh lot area and all the other setbacks for the principal building um the other variants that we are going for is the building coverage uh we're about 3% over or about 200 square ft a little over 200 square ft and you know of any issues with water for your neighbors are your neighbors having any water issues the the architectural plans that show the house is that uh Foundation uh reveal approximate to what'll happen or is it going to be much more no that is uh where the foundation will be that's where the first have something get five six feet out of the ground no no the this isn't the flood zone but we are above the flood plane level at at this height here which is about 2 ft above okay so um yeah as far as the architectural plans go the um we have the front yard um elevation here for from mini haa and we have the um soy uh elevation on the on the same sheet here just showing the little platforms and a little roof overhang over each [Music] there uh we have the rear elevation which is behind mini haa and then the right side elevation which is uh along the neighboring property there [Music] and starting with the uh the first floor the first floor is uh basically an open concept with the kitchen and the living room uh we also have a onecar garage um uh that is accessible from soy uh there is a guest bedroom on the first floor with a full bathroom and a mudroom area the second floor we have an additional four bedrooms uh and two bathrooms with a laundry room these pages also submitted with the application yes yes we don't seem to have those in our packages up here that's all we could submit this as an exhibit if you sure why don't we do do that just to make sure the so that would be A2 just tell me how many pages the additional it consists of five pages so the board has three pages so what is the total number of um they're a 1.0 to a 3.0 and again there there are five pages architecturals are probably I don't know how many you committed went to the people where did you see the okay that's what p is that um so again yeah have the second floor we have uh four bedrooms two full bathrooms a laundry room and a extra storage closet and then we do have a half story uh partial finish addict uh which is really just going to be a loft and some more storage area again because this is in the flood zone there is no basement so we're just trying to find as much storage area as we can how do you access the uh there is a set of walk upstairs from the second walk upstairs yes yep full full walk upstairs it's not a pull down from the attic no no this is a full walk upstairs why did you do that uh to make it easier to get furniture or whatever up and down uh all also um we are allowed a half story so it does it does conform with that that it can be living space and again because there's no actual basement it just helps with more area in the house no Plumbing upstairs going up to no no Plumbing upstairs it's just one one big open room upstairs in the attic and again a utility closet for HVAC how many kitchens in the house just one just one Main Kitchen on the first floor and the need for steps to the attic is to accommodate Furniture you said yeah I assume that they're going to use it as a playroom for the kids you know since it's a one big open concept on the first floor um you know there's not a separate room for for kids or anything like that or it could be used as the office um if the guest bedroom on the first floor is going to be used as me L off basement why doesn't basement do you right but why doesn't that mean it's a three three story right right no there's the ordinance provides for two and a half stories which is always an issue and you said you're not going to have there's no Plumbing up there correct is there going to be heat and and air conditioning uh there will be heat yes yep on the in the Attic area yeah it also be air uh I would assume so yes so we can have becomes like a living space yes it does it does like living what's the ceiling height in the Attic um first page uh it is 8 ft it is 8T 8T you're correct and the and the area of the attic space is aable is how much the uh attic space is 331 sare ft footprint of the home is how much uh the second floor is 1 90 so you're well under 50% correct and it's not really a lot of space to build anything else I don't really have a problem with that especially you can't have a b right yeah right any questions from the board no is there any questions from the audience in regard to the testimony from this architect only see uh one of our members like to well she done with the case yes are you finished do you have anything else that you'd like them to consider no other the testimony no okay I I think it's a pretty good application as John said there's no basement so so to get an extra few uh square feet of storage makes sense to me I don't think you're trying to pull a fast one on us you know you're taking down something old putting in something new that's going to go in the neighborhood so uh I'll be voting for it I I want to just apologize I do have one question so the houses next to and around are they similar height I know you gave us a bunch of houses that were built around but they not excuse me I'm sorry no no yes I I visited the uh area and they're mostly Cape cards just just just coming from the standpoint of like fitting in the neighborhood I I think what's going to happen to the neighborhood is that there's going to be a gentrification and this house doesn't seem like MC Manion fair enough yeah I just wanted to know the crer of the height right the height for oh yeah like height conforms but I think he's asking is the other houses in the area two and a half story no no I'm just talking if they're if it's going to dwarf everything around it but as Loretta said there's a couple that are that similar okay somebody like to frame a resolution please application 24 col 68 yalda naada 9 minihaha Boulevard block 2 528 lot 14 Zone R4 recommend granting a sear to construct a new twostory single family dwelling with two covered porches and ptio Contra section 43035 4 minihaha Boulevard and subul Avenue 9 uh patio rear yard and 10 second ready burkowitz yes D cros yes Josh Bitz yes mazarella yes Quinn yes ready yes gani yes applications approved you'll be notified and then at that time get your thank you so thank you next okay application 2464 Merck lazanski 593 South bck Road Block 763 lot 9.02 zone R2 the see variance to construct a detached three car garage with Second Story storage area only contrary to section 43013 b 1 and section 43-35 columns 10 and 13 good evening hi can you raise your right hands please you swear or M you swear or affirm that the testimony that your about to should be please State your names and spare your last things please starting with me yes l i sir okay great you can have a SE just make sure you pull the microphone close to you and use the microphone thank you so what is it that you'd like to do good evening um so we would like to build a garage um the I've been in the district in firsty since 1972 my husband and I bought uh our address it's actually 539 South beveri Road not 593 539 that's why I couldn't find it why I couldn't find it 539 South beveri Road so this house was built in 1900 by John pitchell we bought it from Mara fr in 1989 so we're the second um since we've had the house we've been um lovingly restoring the house um making sure that everything that we do is historically accurate and uh before my dad passed away he was an architect in in pany he lived next door to us and he helped us uh you know plan this vision for this for this uh garage that we were eventually going to build so he was pretty adamant in saying that you know we really should keep the Integrity of the architectural per and our house is very very tall and to have a garage to match the house should also be in proportion to that so um also you can notice this um Round Top here you're referring to the plans yes okay so we're repeating that architectural detail that is on our house so that detail is um in the Attic portion of our house and we want to replicated the what type of utilities are you planing the garage utility yeah this is my technical adviser here just uh just electric that's it no water no sewer no sewer no water just electric and probably 100 amps because electrical e vehicle coming your survey doesn't sure where it's going to be no there is there is a there two Sur Maps I've got two surveys here there's two survey Maps one is just the pl Sur oh wait AE another survey which shows where the garage will beos it goes over the portion of the existing driveway yeah got it that far enough off the sideline I it's no no it's it's no no need for variance for a sideline or front setb or your coverages when we originally got the house there was a barn structure in the backyard that was very tall but due to the age I mean it was old and Ricky have this building is basically for cars and storage yes yes absolutely and there will be no utilities out no just the survey shows a shed to be removed is that correct is that corre to be yes because I figure uh I don't need that many cluttered stuff for my storage since this garage is ampo in size for that reason I want to remove the shirt so that and the shirt will be dismo and my daughter is will be she's waiting for it waiting for it in Maryland okay so that help us cover I don't know how they calculate and it says a driveway area to be removed is that a gravel driveway that the whole thing is a gravel driveway I never got the chance to like a make a nice driveway thinking that one day we build the garage and start from that right right to fix the driveway maybe PVE it or maybe some pavers maybe brick papers to be in a period maybe not asold so the kind of garage was the first step to to finish our front and you really have no neighbors right uh there's a house is yours the big we kind of like Trill School red so we're in front of trill school to the left was my dad's house okay and to the right are our neighbors neighbors but it's it's like nothing is close yeah okay now the property is do you know the Troy Hills that historic do you know the exact height of your house sorry our height I would say I would say to the to me confusing regulation is if the height of the structure in a zoning because as of 2000 was changed that height of the structure is the mid span of the roof but it still will be over 35 ft what's allowed today I think our house is like 42 foot high to the PE okay in the garage is is Garage in 27 no so you think it's over 40 the garage we thought theage I mean my father-in-law uh thinking was if will just just comply to 15 food the garage will be that would be a silly structure added to this beautiful home so we wanted to to have something which will be Bal balanced that that's what he did and the size of the garage to to have the height and we did walk in the neighborhood as a matter of fact yesterday and today and well we walk every day in the neighborhood but we pay attention what other houses from our time yeah so there's there's few homes that are historic right so we can start with um uh 44 which was the old waska house I've been there forever on that street so it's in 1976 the old waska house is now the Del house they also have a tall scru then you have 60 Reynolds Avenue which is the white back in the day used to be called the Johnson house I I don't know who owns it now but they also have a very tall uh White Barn for what we um then we have um then we have the Morgan theme property which is 140 and they also have a tall um Barn in the back and then um by the nursing home try Hill's nursing home I don't know what it's called now but behind that there's also a lovely old home and they also have several buildings and one which is a very tall barn that kind of looks like the one that we have um which is still there so you're not doing anything at a character you're staying with the the character of your house specifically that's exact makes total sense so just just out of curiosity um if they decided to pave the uh driveway would that be coverage issue just to give the heads up not the it's already covered the coverage is in terms of impervious coverage I don't think I'm just saying if they paved it rather than gravel it wouldn't change okay oh that's great yeah already counted as a imp can can I just ask one question on the boundary survey you it shows a stone wall in the back oh that's a probably fo foot and a half just the just the I I'm just I'm I'm asking for is what's the grade coming off of where the new addition where the garage is going to be I mean that wall that wall doesn't it's not a retaining wall okay it's only just for decorative shape is not yeah I was it's this high wall is just for a look yeah okay any other questions from the board no anyone in the public that has questions of this applicant on their testimony someone like to CL a resolution please I'll I'll go for this one uh obviously I think uh it's far too few people that try to keep the Integrity of History um I don't think you're anything out of the ordinary what you're asking for and it's a beautiful thing to keep some history around rather than knock it down so thank you I'll be voting in favor of that thank you so much second application 24 call 64 morett lensy 593 South beverick Road 539 539 my d block 763 lot 9.02 zone r-2 recommend granting a SE variance to construct the detached three toour garage from Second Story storage area only contrary to section 43013 B one and section 43035 columns 10 and 13 second with nothing but electric service with the only thing in the in there is electric service all right second B yes yes josz mozarella yes Quinn yes ready yes grani yes thank you so much have a great evening it's like I I don't hear you know everybody's got to speak a little louder down there because we don't hear it down here that won't be a problem thank you application 2413 J M incorporated three Green Hill roads block 391 lot one zone B3 preliminary and final major site plan with c and d variances to construct Miss mixed use structure um Matt Madam chairwoman um I have to step down from this application because it's in the vicinity of the my office building so you still own that yeah I still own that so I have to step away thank you and really I don't have a problem so is that on the record yeah you can put it on the record good evening everyone Joseph O'Neal here for the applicant once again this is continuing application we have listened to the board's comments from the last meeting we the building down we added a la here to go over some of the other changes those changes [Music] Mr Mr O'Neal did you say that the building has already been knocked down no the building no changes so I [Music] know okay [Music] have fun everybody see you have a good night you're still your oath from hearing yes uh on January 27th 2025 you were able to submit revised plans theion gave those plans that's the exhibit that's up there right now right yes that is a exact copy of that yes it is all right those changes I'm going to run through some of these things if you don't mind we changed on the plans you had attached the survey all supporting vehicular traffic was eliminated that was a board comment railing was added to the plans concrete curb detail was add it that driveway apron detail tree protection title was removed on page one has a drainage map on page five RWS will have manholes the other two will have great that's page two curb radi is consistent on page one parking calculations updated page three dryw calculations added on page one grading revised on page two PL were based on new AIA regulation Earth calculations were revised page five I should add that when he revised those calculations we discovered we're going to be moving 1700 cubic yards of soil so we look to amend this applications we can to include a major soil moving permits for that 1700 yard what is the yardage again Mr 17700 Cub yard thank you the recreational was the one was add on page one and the zoning table was rised and there were a number of comments on January 3 first from the board's engineer you've had an opportunity to look at those right yes now let me ask you just right up the uh the questions on the court do any of that affect the nature or character of the application of the thing presented no they did not they're all technical in nature two Engineers working out you're not going to have any problem right no all right well let's uh let's get into it a little bit on to page two comments you're referring to the board Engineers report is that right January 31st 2025 Bo engine rep actually jump to page three because the first six is uh about the letter that was provided we may not have gotten a copy of that but uh page seven we're talking about the major soil moving permit again we that's based on those calculations you revised on the plan that includes the Bas yes if you look at the plan we' done a calculation on the cuts and bills of the project as it's finished that doesn't include the excavation for the basement include the excavation for the basement that puts us at700 great thank you Fred so the calculation for building coverage plans inconsistent would be architectural plans did you guys get to square that off who right who's right you're right right your your numbers are correct right yes the 1700 number is the correct number yes yeah including so you got I think there's about 900 cubic yards on the site between cuts and fills and then calculating for the basement which is about 10t High has another 800 so put about 16,700 cubic yards right is this s going to balance or you going to export we're going to have to be exporting it um all of it not all of it there's there's basically 300 cubic yards pill on site needed 600 cubic yards of cut so there's 300 yards have to come off plus the basement okay right so now the building coverage was inconsistent on the architectural plans because he included a bump out on his plan right we're eliminating that I talked to him We're eliminating that because your number on building coverage controls right well yes my number on building coverage controls the building is 40 by 75 which is 3,000 sare foot right now given the uh comment concering parking spaces and given the fact we're providing EV space I'm sorry can you just go back to the building coverage okay I just want to make sure we're clear on the record so what is the variance that you're requesting on building cover the building is three I got [Music] the building coverage complies the ordinance allows 25% building coverage and we are going to be at 15.1 so we comply with building cover what we are requesting is a setback variance to be 40 ft from paity Road rather than 50 and then the reason why we took out the bump out is because right now adjacent to um Green Hill complies that bump Bo would be treated as a stepback so therefore that would push us even though it's only a one foot bump down it would make a variance of one foot which we can live without we don't need it I talk to the architect it was just something he put in for it for Aesthetics to break up the front of the building but it's not necessary so you need the front back the front yard setback on ppan road correct but not on Green Hill correct do the new architectural plans reflect the elimination of the B Pump House the architect I I don't want to steal this thunder but he did bring plans here showing the being eliminated and the square footage I believe you said was 3,000 square ft yes the would be 3,000 square ft the building was if you remember we had last meeting in the board was concerned about the size of it that building has been cut down it was 90 so it's now 75 so it's been cut down 15 ft which allows us to put in some outdoor recreation area for the three tenants and it gives you more of a distance from us and our neighbor it's green space it's buffer put benches in there yeah I put a few benches in there put landcaping we'll add landcaping uh quick quick question the the I see it says trash on the front is that going to be like dumpsters right out in the front there it's it's going to be a yeah that's that I believe that's a dumpster it's an enclosure there's an enclosure on it but it is a dumpster but it'll be hidden it's not exposed there's a [Music] detail I'm just wondering if it could be put kind of in the back or something like that so it's not I'd be happy to try to there's there's very little spot you can put some on the bottom the right hand corner of page one has the enclosure detail for the trash so everything's enclosed it's got masonry walls on three sides and then a solid wood gate in the front so the only time it's going to be open is when they're taking the dumpsters out and they so it's is it a metal gate or a wood gate um it's it's the framing is metal but the appearance will have a wood I think it's a wood face on it hry [Music] okay me over the parking complies we've got two electric vehicle charging stations there so we're required to have 19 spaces but we're actually proposing 22 and you've talked to the client it's their intention to stick with the 22 in case they need Extra Spaces yes and for visitors of whichever type and and the ordinance required one EV parking spot but if you're buying an EV parking facility you get the double wires so you might as well make two spots out of it so they got one unit two wires it'll service two vehicles I want to talk a little bit about the uh the curving I want to talk a little bit about the sidewalk that's being proposed it's a little it's pointed out as being inconsistent what it is is it's uh it's Concrete in some spaces and could you explain to the board why that is it's because of the gray change right it's it's the concrete is because of the gray change and adjacent to the building you have a sidewalk and then the back of the concrete would be the edge of the sidewalk so you don't have that change in elevation that occurs sometimes with the granite block curb Where the Sidewalk goes up and it doesn't settle back down in the winter exactly the same way and you get those little trip lips as I call them so uh so around the building is around the outside of the parking lot will be Granite block and just for the board's information there's no there's nothing in an or in the ordinance that specifies that you have to be one or the other but it's just that we've got two different curbs here and I just pointed out that I don't know if the board's going to go for that look yeah the board feel i' rather have all concrete I can do the whole site concrete well the granite block is out in the open parking lot and the concrete is behind the building right yeah it's around the front of the building where the sidewalk doesn't matter have to keep us under the 5% gr okay okay looks good the handicapped parking space is going to be a parking space that's not a problem instruct detail notes for the U we just talked about that propos grading and change elevation curve face well let's go back to number 11 because the the curb should be a the curb should be a consistent height and it varies across the entire front of the building it starts off at about 3 and a half in and then as it goes down it gets higher and higher and higher which is not normal normally you have a 6in curve and you grade things to match so that's something that's that's and the issue with that is if you're if you're in the building and you go to step out and you expect six you stepped in on a 3 and 1/2 in sidewalk and you go to the next door you step out on an 8 in sidewalk you're not expecting that drop and you could there could be a tripping Hazard there so the curbing should be consistent you need to add an extra Stu I I I really don't believe so the maximum height as uh Tom pointed out correctly is about I think 11 in you know it's it's a little bit high but it's it's not an enormous sidewalk it's mainly so that we have a sidewalk that needs handicap code plus if we have three doors that we have to deal with two of the doors are at the same elevation and the third door has a step down in the building so trying to make all those grades work uh we can't follow a uniform curve and then the other thing you got to bear in mind is that this site has almost a 12T change in grade between precip Road and the end of the property on Green Hill somehow I got to make up that 12 ft you know you try to make it up with changeing grades and stuff that's one of the reasons why the parking lot's a little bit steeper than most of us like to have a 3% 4% so I will I'm sorry parking lot so what what you're saying is the suggestion that Mr O'Neal made as to putting a step in is not going to be advisable I I I really don't think I I think that would probably be more of a tripping hazard if the board would like we can put a step in opposite the three door well two of the doors are fine it's the last door that we'd have to have a little step because that's where we're getting close to that 11 in maximum height ask any railings are there going to be any railings there no when you come out I don't believe we I thought we discussed the step would be more of an issue last time didn't we the additional stuff yeah we want is your architect going toy why don't we leave subject 3 all right so the drainage area map going to correct that yeah dwell installation assistent with the construction detail yes take care of that yes we'll take care of that you know what additional topographic information you're going to beos for that drainage calculation yeah I I'll I'll get whatever theography Tom feels he needs to decide on the path to the drainage Joe what number you I jump down 21 ohage they kind of cover kind was touching on some those other things I'm obviously not going to win any change in elevation on the curve I'll try my BAC equipment we put that uh there's a detail on your plans where we mov that inside on top of the building it's on top the architect has redesign the building so he's created a flat area tucked into the roof so the air conditioners will be up on the roof off the ground out of visibility and he'll comment on exactly how it operates screen for vision and for sound [Music] yes what about the comment on section three regarding the buffer [Music] area we yes we we have a buffer area now that it's approximately I think 18 ft um which complies with minimum buffer area but does not comply with the requirement to increase the buffer for the height above 15t of the building it's a twostory building so the buffer is going to be slightly short I believe we need if you calculate the ordinance I believe was 25 ft let's be yeah let's be specific what we're talking about there's there's the lawn in the back which we're calling the buffer area there's a 25t sitb back for that parking space but we're not providing that we're at about 17 yes so that that is a varying situation yes but the proposal you had before was no correct everything everything was cut and moved closer to pfy road with the reduction of the building right you you cut the building and uh with that spare space you added that L yes we'll put some Landscaping in the back of that yeah some Landscaping back there if you look at the plans we've added four benches for the people the tenants so if they want to sit and talk to the neighbor or something they have a little sitting area we'll put some Greenery around that put some Greenery along the property line to divide us from the neighbor so the buffer area under the ordinance would require 25 ft the setback for the parking spaces has to be 25 ft he was talking about buffer area well that's the same calculation comes out the same yeah comes out the same yeah there's there's two issues there got to be a 25t buffer and you can't have the parking in a buffer so that's two different variances right and now presently the there's a fence that comes about halfway toward Green Hill Hill and it just stops so you no there's no visible there's no visual barrier between the property and the neighboring property the neighboring residential property once you get beyond that fence so you can bring the fence farther forward or tree up that corner or combination of both to get that bu you'll need VAR for that fence in the front yes yeah once you get into the front yard it's got to go down to four feet yeah yeah we we could bring it up and then step it down at the 50ft step back so the first 50 ft would be 4T high and then beyond that would be 6t high it's going to look kind of silly cuz I assume you're having a solid fence in the section where it can be 6 feet high yes and the front section where it's uh 50ft setback has to be 50% open so uh maybe you could do landscaping as opposed to offense yeah I I would think there's no regulation on the height of the landscape yeah I would agree John I I think in that first 50 ft we better off probably putting Landscaping than putting in a fence you don't have another variance um what about the loading space 3F that's a variance as well correct so why don't you need a loading space well basically because we don't have any room for the loading space is that okay yeah we don't have any room for it and then this this is a very small facility it doesn't get large trucks you know the loading is probably going to be little Vans you know you're not going to get large Vehicles pulling in there the Vans will take apart time but do you know what's going to go into those stores no we don't no so you don't really know what they're going to be delivering it right well which talking about car units that are work in retail I know how big a truck can come in well there's a there's only a limited world of things that can fit in there so you're not going to put a dunk of donuts in there for instance we don't need because too many you got too many of them number one and that's a delivery by a big truck yeah I'm just saying I work in retail and I know big or small it doesn't matter what you're putting in there just depends on what they Del what truck they decide to deliver in right could be a trailer if they're delivering a half a pallet or something it's just just depends on who's delivering that's that's my point I'm just saying ten is has to control it in accordance with Township regulations you're not going to be able to load that out of the street so that's something that the tenants are going to know coming in that's the regulation they can't do it so sounds good to me take care of that I think I have no further questions you don't have anything you want to add no did you have testimony last time on the the sign issue I think you test well we did and it's going to be a so we're proposing as four signs we got the three for the retail then there's a number on the door in the back we're going to go ahead and call that a sign it's a corner lot so it gets two signs but we're going to have uh obviously four so that's a variance and I believe we're over the uh the space to the architect about that and we we have we're showing three signs 3x4 14 ft he's comfortable with 3x1 3x1 would bring us under the 100 squ ft maximum so we meet the maximum allowable but we need three signs because we got three tenants and everybody's going to want to know where they're stor you withdra in the variance you got to comply pardon you're withdrawing the variance you will comply the number of signs we made as a VAR we still have the variance the number of signs but we were drawing the variance for being over the 100 square foot we can make it comply gotta here's a maybe a s silly question where is the list of variances that they are needing is it in within this text no I'm looking at at at Tom's report oh okay that's what I'm looking at so that is this right yes okay so when you write up if this is approved you're just going to go through this whole thing and pick them all [Music] out to this okay hearing as well gotta so as long as it's on the record I'll go through the I I'll watch the tape of the hearing while I make while I draft the resolution gotcha that's why I want to make sure the record's clear so I know later on when I watch it what we've caught absolutely mral you explained there would be four signs and one of them is on the rear of the building on the door for the residential unit is an address painted on the door but you've called that as a sign that's I counted that as a sign because that's only the way things are counted around here okay I uh now the sign on the door is small enough proportion that it complies with the regulations about putting uh signs in Windows yeah so we're fine like that it should all be right but I just want to make sure the you wear that sign back door okay yeah cuz that's the main entrance for the pr is the back in the back y okay Tom do you have any comments any other have your have your concerns been satisfying the the only thing that's still open is that is the curbing across the front of the building um because the the slope of the the slope of the parking lot is like 6 or 7% right yes so you can follow that slope with the sidewalk the only difference is it' be considered a ramp and you got to put railings up and you got to put a flat spot for about 4 feet in front of the door so and it it it'll exceed the 5% requirement for handicap and we'd have to go to the 8.3% handicap which requires railings and more flat areas and stuff right so physically it is possible to do physically it's possible you have a railing of course part well so that would so we can't really do the step because it's going to interfere with handicap access yeah you can't put a step you can't have steps for handing I thought we have the architect your because he's the one is going to be responsible okay we waiting for the okay all right so without further Ado thank you Mr any MERS of the public does any member of the public have questions of this applicant and his testimony only see none thank you Mr Miola thank you [Music] first check hello okay did did you speak it the last year I did uh guess I'm still under oath okay yeah as long as you acknowledge that you're still under oath I'm still under oath yes um get me out of a step issue here yeah okay so uh yeah I understand some concern about steps all right and sorry what was your name Douglas with two s's um last name is osol a Sr a l registered architect thank you okay um yeah uh the steps with regard to um um in the front Okay let's go and this is a set of plans that the board has correct yes yes uh uh dated December 5th revision 7 great okay um okay so in the front um we have um um see we have ramps and I'll show go to the elevation for that you said those plans are dated what December 5 Oh I thought rision 7 revision 7 revision 7 December 5 okay um so um uh per per um the um the site Plans by Mr mola uh we have a a grade uh that levels off every so often in front of the doors so there are no specific steps it's all um slope there are steps at the rear of the building uh with access to the residential portion so in the front is the curve you're going to be able to keep the curve consistent based upon what you're showing there um I'm I I mean that that's the engineer uh with so yeah I mean okay I mean when you say okay yeah you're going to be able to keep that consistent right well yes the grade can be that that's the whole point is is that what you see here is a grade that is consistent with the grade of the parking so so um we're going to smoo that curve tail out right we're going to be able to keep that consistent right and and I think the curb can be stepped in certain portions uh to maintain as it slopes down so that that's a possibility okay but then is that the hand joh your issue with this curb going from three or 4 in to 11 in is it the front of the building or the back it's the front that that's that's the face okay and and the issue is and this is a long shot the slope of the sidewalk is flatter than the slope of the of the parking lot so that's why the the curb overtire width of the building just slowly gets bigger and bigger and bigger which again is irregular it's going to look a little odd um and when you step off a curb no I understood that okay but there'll be a guard rail uh I mean separating the the the uh the walkway from the parking not not Mo not a lot of it only the first where do you think the guard wheel is going to if Fred um on your site plan Cur against the right corner turn Okay the I'm sorry there is a railing already that goes across probably 2third of the building so the issue is if there's already a railing that you can have for handicap then you can leave the curb the same height all the way across right following the so the sidewalk pitch is the same as the pavement pitch right and you'll have a sidewalk steeper than 5% so it becomes a ramp by definition it's already which needs a railing but it won't be steeper than the 8% maximum right so you can get it all done with a consistent curve curb now when you get down to the end um I mean you can you can massage it a little bit so you're agreeing with Tom's comments in terms of adjustment design yes okay great we're agree that's okay continue all right I mean um so uh the majority of the changes are well the major change is the reduction of the building uh by 15 ft um um towards uh uh parcion Road um so it goes from it went from 40 ft by 70 uh 90 ft down to 40 ft x 75 3,000 ft per floor two stories um uh and um then oh the other major element uh was the um relocation of of the uh uh HVAC uh units the condensers are will be roof mounted the uh on the rear face of the building um the uh roof will a portion of the roof will be flattened uh to uh receive to be the platform for the HVAC uh units and there will be a guard rail um across the uh uh the the per you the um I'll show you on the side view um it's a screen right it's it's a it's a screen and a guard because it by coding required for maintenance purposes uh when you're at a certain height they not fall over so um and it's indicated you get a better view of it from the side elevations on sheet A4 um of what the guard rail would look like uh now on this December 5th uh revision I had it shown as an open rail I just received a comment from the engineer um uh the planner for the town um I'm sorry uh the report um requesting that it be a solid um uh guard uh so as to uh deflect sound upwards and um I have a revised plan that can submit as an exhibit today um that that indicates that did you I think you just okay so that's okay but it's it's we're going from an open railing to a solid railing to uh direct sound upward it's already higher but it' be further directed upward um perect okay and um that uh those were the major changes uh the reduction of the building and also uh removal of the bump in the front I'll show you on the floor plan oh so uh this portion was extended forward uh at the second floor by actually exactly 8 Ines but we' removed it entirely so that we don't incur any um uh setback issues uh we are going to hold at 40 ft at all levels um I'm sorry yeah 40 ft is the right but um 50 oh yes that's true yes 50 okay yeah uh here so uh we we want to uh maintain the we have a consistent setback distance at this elevation and um which I can show you on on the um uh revised plan but it's basically the same look just the bump is removed so there's no no other encroachment than than the majority of the building that you see here and the signage is going to be on every one of the offices yes there is a sign will be reduced to instead of a uh um 14 ft wide uh to um 11t wide uh and giving us 33 s ft per sign 99 ft po it leaves you a foot for the sign in the back right yeah and the and and there it is it's just a signifier for the entrance okay their numbers is that the it's just yeah it's just a number painted on you like on the glass door right and there is a minimum requirement for the fire department to identify the building things like that more than 6 in by 6 in um I just want to make sure you're staying within the 100 ft total corre all the signs including that number in the back including the number in the back yes that that will not exceed it's got a shrink so I get my number in the bag so be it right for sure yes toal signage area not we're not seeking variance for a signage area there it is clear as Crystal great I have no further questions for this witness than board members do you have any questions of this I think he answered all the questions we had mam chair I've got just a couple the drainage from the second floor or the from the HVAC area yes where does that water go yeah it will lead to a gutter uh I have that revised I address that comment as well um uh so it will lead to a gutter um uh at at the edge and um be then directed to down spouts that are connected to the drywall system okay all right thank you now on the front the bump out's gone but is all the trim going to make it look like it's still there um I show I'll show you the revised version uh I'll submit as exhibit a dated today February 5th revision 8 as you can see here straight across no bump just the Gable on the plan view oh all right and uh so uh the trim that would have been there um um uh with the bump is uh indicated removed here but is the entire look is not inconsistent with the previous original look that's all I have thank you change of materials um it's just that the those trim boards that would be there for the corner created by the bump are not there anymore cor yeah there's no corner so you that's all yeah and uh and in this uh version uh now we're showing a um a solid um guard uh with the sighing uh same as the rest of the building is there anyone in the audience that has any questions to the testimony that this gentleman has given us this evening see that board members all questions have been answered Mr LTZ I'm thank you okay Jag I'm okay Sor I don't have any questions okay some would like to frame a resolution please are you done J we're done that's our last witness okay uh yeah I think you've done what you had to do to uh appease me I think it's reasonable you still have a function of building uh with uh uh improves the area and uh you agreed with everything that our engineer had asked so I will be voting for it can I just interrupt there's a full basement and we should restrict that to storage utilities I assume that's what it's going to be for so that will be for Mr uh Johnson to add absolutely agree indicated on theis plan storage unoccupied all right just want to put in the resolution thank you do you want to authorize the drafting of a resolution to make sure we've captured everything that you had maybe I don't recall whether there were conditions agreed to when your planner by m I believe so so what do you want does that make some sense yes I think there was some discussion on landscape well we've committed to that today I don't know okay to make sure we didn't have the uh the lawn area in the back but we will put additional Landscaping in the back I think there was some discussion on what was shown on that original list John didn't provide that's true actually than you Mr CH Mr chadrick your report had a question about that sidewalk how far it extended across the back of the building it's some sidewalk in the back of the building that goes beyond the doorways or we just take it out I'm going to cut it back I already made a note from my guys to cut it back just not necessary and it could be just more GRE SP so that's in the back area Beyond the Door there was some sidewalk sh that will terminate at that door [Music] okay so the resolution would be to authorize me to draft a resolution to be agreed to at a subsequent meeting after discussions with the applicants attorney so moved to capture all of the conditions that have been yes during the hearings in this matter definitely so move second bur yes D yes Mella yes Quinn yes ready yes oh yes thank you sorry thank you everybody have a great night you too Joe all right I'll take the crack a motion toj please second good night for have a good night everybody good night thank you thank you [Music] [Music] okay 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