for our duties. We're on record. [Music] Good evening and welcome to the meeting of the Township of PC Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. Today is Wednesday, May 7th, 2025 and at 7:30 p.m. Announcement
is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 10 col 4-st of the New Jersey Open Public Meeting
Act. We'll move into the roll call. Mr. Burkowitz here. Mr. Cros is not here. Mr. Joshitz here. Mr. Petty here. Mr. Quinn here. Mr. Ready present. Chairwoman Gyani present. We also have our board planner Mr. Chadwick. Our
board our board engineer Mr. Lammanoitz here. And our board attorney Mr. Johnson here. Would you please stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance? Ice to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Mr. Chapman, can you raise your right hand, please? Swear or affirm that any testimony that you give tonight should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Yes. Mr. Do you
swear or affirm that any testimony that you give tonight should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. Thank you. This meeting is open to the public. If you have any item that you'd like to present to us that is not on the agenda this evening. I see none. Nora the
resolutions please. Uh don't uh I'll do the correspondence first. Correspondence received from Joseph Joseph O'Neal attorney from Gafalo O'Neal. Request an application 246613 Beverwick North Beverwick Road
block 611 lot 6 be carried to July 9th 2025 without further notice and grant the board an extension of time to make decision on the application through July 31st 2025 and resolutions.
[Music] Um everybody except those bullets uh can we could do all these resolutions you know under one motion and second application 2474 CAT 15 Colonial Terrace block 759
lot 13 application 2459 Patel uh 93 Troy Metal Road uh block 763 lot 1901 and application 2515 day Pittney 8 silvin block 202 lot 1.11
um can I have a motion I move all three mo resolutions second burkowitz yes no yes Quinn yes ready yes will oh he's not
here yes thank you Nora Well, application 2435 we will be dismissing due to the application failure to submit revised plans and lack of communication with the
township regarding status of submission. So move. Is there anybody here on that? Nope. No. And nor you told them about that we were going to put it on tonight's calendar. I sent them an email. They didn't respond to anything. Okay. Thank you. Sorry to interrupt.
It's okay. Application. Do you have a mo motion and a second? Motion. We have a second. Second. Dismissed. I did the motion. I second it. Okay, then we need a roll call on that one. Roll call, please. Burkowitz? Yes. Josh? Yes. Eddie? Yes.
Quinn? Yes. Ready? Yes. Yes. Application 252. Mr. Vetty. Okay. Can you raise your right hand, please? Yes, sir. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes,
sir. Great. Just state your name and spell your last name, please. My name is Sudani. My last name is Vi V A D I. Uh I'm the uh this is I'm the this is I'm the property owner and I'm I've been living here for the past 15 years with my wife and two kids. Could you please
hold the microphone closer? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So I'm I'm going to represent my case myself here. And uh so so this is how it happened, right? So I live wherever I live this property uh behind in my backyard there is like a
you know like hill that's a strip mall. So a lot of water used to come all the time. So that uh my basement gets like dry like uh no wet walls and uh uh no flooring also sometimes get wet. I'm sorry. Can you pull the microphone
closer? You got to speak up. I'm sorry. Thank you. Now it's okay. So excellent. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Sorry about that. Uh so I I saw my neighbor putting like a I don't
know like a big rubber pipes from uh the uh the gutters to the to the property to the street and I asked him so he said like that going to help uh some of the water can go not go into the basement uh so it can go out. So I went to the Home
Depot and I bumped into this guy, this contractor. Uh he said uh I mean he said this is just waste of time and waste of money putting the pipes. He suggested me to put like a sidewalks all around. Uh he said that's a permanent uh solution
and it's not cost much. I said okay fine can you help? So that gentleman helped me uh to put the sidewalks but I didn't realize that I had to take the permission first to do that stuff you know. So then uh I I also like I want my
dad turned 80 last year. So they are in India. So I want uh to invite my parents uh for a short visit to have some kind of get together and celebrate his uh 80th birthday some things like that. So because my my backyard is pretty much
it's because of all this water and mud and all this. It's not like uh uh you know not functional 100%. So I mean actually my dad my parents they came like 10 years back once visited me once but they didn't like it here to be
honest with you especially my mom because I I work for the city of New York in the cyber security I'm the chief information security officer there and my wife goes to uh like a substitute teacher here in this town my two kids also go to school so my parents they
used to live by themselves and just in the house they can't even get out you know so so Then I was thinking I thought like you know put it like a a fence and you know make some part of that uh my backyard like a walkable and you know uh
go there and like in the sun kind of thing. So that's how I put like a p I asked the guy same guy to help me with the pavers and uh you know uh and as privacy and security the put a fence I never had fence before. So that's how I
ended up doing all this. Uh and I mean at that time there's a gazebo was on like a sale. It's a readym made gazebo you know uh so just it's a kit uh so I brought that kit and the same same person helped me to set it up. So
without realizing I ended up doing all this uh without getting any permission from that's why you're here this evening work is done. Yeah. Not exactly that. So when when it's everything is done and then I realized that I have to get the permission. So I approached uh zoning
department and beautiful people building and engineering department. So everything I they asked me to do like a reservey of my property which I did again. So everything was done. I mean we were almost at the end of the paperwork. Then we realized that I went over like
you know 4.2% of uh coverage area. It's it's supposed to be 30 30% I guess. And I was u joining told me that I'm at 34.2. Uh so uh they asked me that's reason I'm here to take that variance
you know. So yeah I mean I know this uh I preach uh this every day like you know ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Uh that's my part of my job. I preach that every day. But unfortunately I'm also into this awkward situation today.
Uh so I'm I'm I'm willing to do whatever uh uh zoning engineering and building people they want to do. Actually engineering people they visited my site and uh they suggested they recommended one drive well uh pit uh they showed me
the location also because it's a small house 1220 ft² but my my area is almost like a4 acres that you know my whole lot. So, but yeah, this says a three season room edition edition and a
gazebo. Yes, sir. So, you did both? Yes, sir. That's You didn't say anything about the Oh, that's what I'm telling. That's I'm sorry. Have you built the 3C? No, that is also part of that came in like a readymade kit. Uh, say that again. It's it's a readymade kit, you know. So, that So, you have built it.
Yeah. So this the guy contractor whoever was helping me with this uh pays how did you wind up how did if you never got permits how did you get in front of the building department I'm sorry sir if you never have got a permit to do any of this this how did
you wind up in front of the building department actually I've some zoning called me they sent me a letter zoning department they caught you putting up the three season room no no that I looks like somebody uh mentioned or complained or whatever it is. Code enforcement
case. Yeah, that's a somebody made an inspection. Yeah, somebody made probably somebody but on inspections generally it was done by the zoning department, not construction, right? But somebody complained. Yes, it was code enforcement. Yes. Probably a neighbor.
Yeah, possibly the zoning people. That's what I was told. They go around the town. We've had a number of these cases recently where the coverage is over and we have letters from the town engineer saying that drainage is issue an issue.
Yes sir. So have you seen that letter? Yes sir. So that's why have you spoken to the Yes sir. That's why Nora pointed me to go to the engineering department first and you've done that. I I I've done that and you agree with what you recommend. They also visited my site in
in person. and somebody some engineer came to visit my site. Okay. So, you know what you're getting into and you agree? Yes, sir. Okay. Do we have any questions from the board? Any questions on the left, sir? No,
gentlemen. No. So, do you do you have neighbors on either side of you? I'm sorry, sir. Do you have a neighbor on both sides of you? Yes, sir. Okay. Did they have they know what's going on now? Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah. Okay. Did they have water before this problem?
Did they have water going to them after? No. It's always It was a problem. It been problem forever. Both houses always had All three houses have had water problems in the past. I'm I'm not It's not like a water like you know like a like a a river kind of thing. It's all
mostly it's like a you know it's like a wet ground kind of stuff. Yeah. And your neighbors were notified of tonight's events. Yes, sir. Excuse me sir. So basically you agree with the
engineering department proposal. Yes sir. You going to be in conformance to that? 100% I'll be in compliance with that. Yes sir. Or whatever they recommend. Yeah. I mean actually they already recommended so I'm okay with that. So I know what what I'm dealing with here. So
you are mitigating the Yeah. One dry well. Yes. Good. Yes. And I also look for that person who is like expert in doing dry wells. Uh so he agreed to proate. Yeah. Yeah. Better go with the experts. Yeah. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to ask
questions of this witness and his testimony only? See none. Do we have any other questions from our board members? Uh I got a question. I had you say the patio's pavers. Yes sir. Do you have anything in
between the pavers? Nothing. So just pavers uh attached each other. I mean there's no cement, nothing. So water seeps through. Yeah, exactly. Water goes into the ground. Yes, sir. Okay. Yeah. I mean those papers were meant for only just for that's only my thinking. My
parents they can walk instead of like a dirt they can walk on something like you know smooth surface. Yeah. Is there anyone in the audience that has objections or support of this applicant?
I see none. Yeah. What about the retaining wall and all the other stuff? No, that's uh because you know it's only like uh probably like uh maybe like 6 ft because uh my backyard is like I know that whatever that big check plaza that there
on the hill. So just just to have that that the the dirt always comes comes down. So just I put like you know it's a retention wall whatever they call it. Yeah. It's not too I like maybe like 4
ft high I guess. Yeah. Well that is 4 ft high is when you need a permit. I don't even Yeah. I I guess so. Yeah. Whatever whatever it takes I'm okay to do it. Yeah. [Music] an old member of ours of would have
taken you out to the woodshed because you're asking for permission. You're asking for uh forgiveness instead of asking for permission. I'm really sorry for the inconvenience. Yeah. But unfortunately, yes, that's what it takes. And at at one point even I I was
thinking of like, you know, uh like take out the papers and go back to my regular uh uh non-coage, whatever it is. But I was told like you know even if I take out the papers the originally whatever the the way it was designed it's already like you know maybe like 0.5 or even
before I brought the house uh it was already over the cover it so they zoning said it's not going to help much that's the only uh lifesavers are you guys that's what they said how everybody feel about this
board member would like to frame a resolution Guys, let me do it. Application 25 col 02 production ready 100 hillside terrace block 387
lots lot number five zone R-3 to grant the C variance to legalize three seasons room addition side rear box and concrete area uh left side and rear concrete
area patio your paper walk and 4.5T high wall contrary to section 430-35 column 8 and 13 section 430- 11 A
wall section 430-11 A 10th section 430-275H and section 430-2 275 Roman letter and and in compliance with the
engineering report engineering uh recommendation. Yes sir. And with the professional guy who do the job so many sections first time I'm reading. May I have a second please?
Burkowitz second. Burkowitz. Yes. Joshitz. I'm going to abstain. I could stay, right? Yeah, I'm going to abstain. Petty, yes. Quinn, yes. Ready? Yes. Briani? Yes. Your application is
approved. Thank you so much, ma'am. Uh, having the resolution at our next meeting and at that time, you will receive a letter and you can go to the zoning board to pick up your permits. Thank you, ma'am. I'm I'm really sorry for the inconvenience and thank you so
much for your time. You've learned that you have to get permits. Yes, I know. I know. Thank you, sir. Okay. Good evening. Okay. Application 253. This application will be carried to the July 9th, 2025
with publication only and grants the board an extension of time to make decision on the case through July 31st, 2025. So move second. Motion, please. So
second burkowitz. Yes. Jawitz. Yes. Petty. Yes. Quinn. Yes. Ready? Yes. Application 2511. Charles Turner 86 Hayawa Boulevard 518 lot 17 zone R4 a C
variance to construct a new twostory single family dwelling with covered porch and patio contrary to section 430-10F and section 430-35 columns 4 and 10.
Okay. Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, the fact of truth? Yes. Can you state your name, spell your last name, please? Hi, my name's Angeline Lopez. L O P E Z. And what's your connection to the application? Charles Turner is my husband. Okay. Is that Mr. Turner back
there? Yes, that's my husband. Is he going to testify, too? I can't. I'm a little under the weather, so the more I talk, the more raspy my voice gets. But I think between me and our architect, we'll we'll cover it. Okay, great. And this is your architect? This is my architect, Jimmy. Okay, great. Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you
swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Please state your name, spell your last name, please. My name is Ape Periq, also known as Jimmy. Uh, last name is P A R I KH. And you're an architect? Yeah. Give us the benefit of your professional background. I am a
licensed architect in the state of New Jersey. I graduated from NGIT in 2017 with a bachelor's in architecture and a minor in uh sustainability. And your license is in good standing? Yes. Have you ever testified before this board? No. Have you testified before other similar boards? Yes. On approximately
how many occasions? Three. And have you been qualified as an as an expert in architecture by those boards? Seems qualified. [Music] So, who wants to go first? I'll start us off. So my husband and I live at 86 Hayawa Boulevard with our two dogs.
We've lived there since 2016. Uh we're at the bottom of Hayawa Boulevard. We're at the bottom of the hill right next to the Rockaway River. And so we've had some flooding storms in the past and we're looking to fix up the damage. Um so that's why we hired our architect to help us look into what other changes or
fixtures we might need to do on the house. It hasn't been looked at in a few years. Um, and you you did not hire an engineer, just an architect. Just an architect. Have you seen the report from the the township engineer? We have received. No,
we have not. I have an extra copy just in case. Here you go. If you want to take just a few minutes to just I don't want to put you on the spot, but you might want to take a few minutes to just take a look at at least the first few paragraphs of that.
Uh we did submit a site plan with the proposed building and um existing conditions. Can you please talk into the microphone? Sorry. Yep. Thank you. Okay. So, um so you did submit a full
set of site plans and uh what you with an existing condition survey. Correct. Um, and let's interrupt. There's no drainage or topography showing on the plants. There's a you show the building plans quite clearly, but there's no real
information on the that plan to show where water's going, what the topography is, any of those things. Okay. I think the issue, you heard the case before us, the man did contact the town
engineers office and discuss what would have to be done to deal with storm water management. Uh, in your case, you have not done that. No, we haven't. He's warning you that it may be quite
expensive to put in the facilities that he's going to require as the town engineer. We've had a number of cases like this in recent months. We suggested that each go see the town
engineer, discuss what needs to be done, figure it out in terms of provide you with some form of guesstimate of how much it would cost and then make a determination whether you want to go with this plan
exactly, adjust it somewhat, uh, abandon it. I mean I you know those are all the choices and I would suggest strongly that you do that because to go say I'll comply with the township engineers uh
requirements and you can't go forward because it's going to cost half the price of the house. And I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it would be stupid to go in with not knowing what's going to happen. And you may want to take his suggestions and go retain your own
engineer because you're probably going to have you're probably going to need an engineer in order to design what needs to be designed to comply with the township of engineers requirements because he's not going to design it for you. Jimmy may being the person that can help you, but
it just it doesn't make sense for you to go forward. And I doubt this board's going to be able to come to any kind of conclusion not knowing what's going on in this. Is that okay? The architectural plans are clear, right? You can see that
clearly. build a new house. And uh so if you want to, you can ask the board to carry the hearing uh and tomorrow Norah will give you a new date and make an appointment with
the engineer as soon as possible. Did you have a question? Uh I mean not a question just uh we are aware that uh the site is going to be fully regraded um to manage storm storm water. uh we are going to be putting drywalls. They are aware aware of that.
Um we this is the first time we're seeing this. This is the first time they are seeing this and we weren't told to reach out to the engineer or we didn't receive any communication. So we were completely unaware of that. But we will be addressing storm mitigation uh with
uh drywalls and uh regrading of the property. we will be raising the grade a little bit in order to um kind of combat the issue that they've had in previous uh storms and hurricanes where they have had uh some water come into their um uh
crawl space. Uh so we will be raising the grade a little bit and uh adding drywalls as well that So given that you've already potentially considered that you might have to take some of these measures, do you want to go forward tonight? Yeah. you want some
more time to consult with an engineer. I think we would like to go forward and um we we definitely are going to be hiring a civil engineer to do the grading plans, to do the drainage plans, and to calculate the uh amount of the the size
of the seage. Uh I think it would be in your best interest to speak with the engineering department. Perhaps you need an engineer yourself and Norah will give give you a new date so that everything
is before us and your clients know exactly what they have to do. In our experience, I think I can speak for myself, but I usually like hearing from the town engineer and knowing that you spoke to them. It might be easy for you to say we're going to agree whatever,
but to get locked into whatever it might not be. We don't even know what and we don't know whatever is. Whatever is. That's right. That's what we need to know. Right. Okay. Better have a concrete plan. Right. Okay. Nor may we
have a new date, please? July 23rd. And we do not have to renotice. You're going to give the board extensions to make a decision through that date, correct? And you're not going to have to send me the notice. Are you here about this application? Okay. Just give us one
second. Okay. So, you want us to care that you want the board to carry it till July 23rd. Yes. And you're giving the board all extensions. Yes. Make their decision. And the board is not going to have to renotice it. Okay. You're not going to have to renotice, right? Okay.
And is everyone in favor of that? Is everyone in favor? Yes. gentlemen understand sir you want to come forward please uh do you want to give him one of the microphones so this application is being carried or
adjourned to another date July 23rd of 2025 if you have any comments that you want to make either in support of or in opposition to the application or any questions you want to ask you can do that on July 23rd
Okay. So, I can't Well, they're coming back. Yeah. But I potentially with a with with some additional information for the board. Don't know that I'm going to be in the area in the state on July 23rd. Can I just make a quick which was already addressed. I'm at number 15
diagonally behind uh number 86 and I spoke to the neighbors on both sides. We don't we don't know that. Okay. Well, let's Okay, just give us your testimony, sir. Okay, hold on. If you're gonna if you're going to speak, right, either in
opposition or in favor of the application, I need to swear you in. So, can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, or nothing about the truth? I do. But why is he getting to talk about the case when nothing because he may not be here
on the Are we allowed to do that? Well, it it's not conventional, but if you want to hear from him, you can. It's just it's just an issue of what's already been discussed. Please start again. There was talk among the board. Tell the board your name and your
address. Okay. I'm Dr. Bob De Benadetto, 13 Chesapeake Avenue. Spell your last name. Kaiwa, the DI capital B neto o. And what was your address? 13 Chesapeake
Avenue. Wake up. And can you not come back on the July 23rd date? I don't believe I can. It's unlikely. And why is that? Um because we haven't planned the My wife has talked about going on vacation and that's the
only time that we have. Okay. Do you understand that the board is not hearing the application tonight? Right. And they've carried the application till July 23rd. asking to make a statement of a concern and it's all about the drainage because we're down at the
bottom also and there are drains in the property I know now. Can you speak into the microphone? Pull it. So our only concern is that drainage be maintained carefully otherwise it will back up into not only our yard but the yard
behind the yards to the left. So, I'm sure this has been thought of, but you brought it up right away. That's our only concern. That's why So, as you heard, the township engineer wrote a memo and the applicant is going to have some additional conversations with the
township engineer to address just that issue. Okay. That's all I came to say. Okay. Thank you, Mr. JP. Okay. All right. We'll see you in July. Thank you. Thank you.
Application number 2327 328 Kingston LLC 328 Kingston Road block 211 lot 11 zone R4 a Dvarian for a
three family dwelling you just need to [Music] Good evening. Hi. How are you? [Music]
Really close, right? Really close. Really close. I'm looking. Yeah, sure. You can start. Good evening. My name is Ursulio. I am an attorney with Latty Clark and Ryan here representing 328 Kingston LLC. I have with me tonight our engineer um Mike
Fischer from Walker, I'm sorry, Dyster Walker. And also we have Allison Copsko who is a planner with Jessica Caldwell. So that'll be the testimony you hear before us tonight. This is an existing it's a residence. It's an existing two family residence and we
have what's admittedly a terrible copy of a certificate of occupancy about the two family is uh residence. So, it's a pre-existing non-conforming use located at this Kingston um road property. What we're here tonight is seeking relief to have a one-bedroom apartment added on
the basement level so it would become a three family. No changes to parking, no changes to the interior. Um, so that's what we're here for tonight. So that of course triggers a D variance. Um, there's also some pre-existing non-conforming uh C or bulk variances
related to things like the fence, the parking because of of the of the additional apartment. Also, um there's also utility questions. There's an exa existing accessory building and again no changes to that. We do have our our um report from the board engineer and the
board planner. Um and I thank you both for your patience through that series of plans. That was a little painful. I'm sorry. Um, but I think we got to the point where we have a good engineer on board who can walk us through the the current existing the current and existing conditions on the property as well as our proposal. Okay, great.
Before you get started with the testimony, just a an initial question, D1 or D2? D2. You think it's an you really think it's an ex expansion of an existing non-conforming rather than a completely
new use? You're going from a non-conforming two family to what this town's ordinance defines as a multifamily. Um I think you're more of a D1. I defer to you as the as the board
um attorney and I think our proofs are the same essentially just obviously different heightened a little bit more. But I think if you're if you think that I think you'll hear the same testimony from our planner. So that's what that's my opinion that you're that you're a D1. Um, and and because of that, I took a
look at your notice. It's um I'd say it's close. It's it's it's probably okay, but I'll leave it up to you as to whether you want to proceed with the Sorry. I'm going to just read the relevant section in it. Okay.
Um, it says, "Requesting a quote D/usev variance relief approval to allow interior renovations for the expansion of a pre-existing two family residence to a three family residence unit where only
one family residences are permitted. So, it it it's it's close. I'll defer to you if you want to move forward understanding that somebody higher than me may disagree that about your notice, but understood. I
appreciate you bringing up. I do think that it's sufficient particularly because it doesn't say D2 or one. It doesn't say D2. You're correct. So, I do think it's sufficient and I understand if someone else challenges that, but I think given that we we specify exactly two family, three family, one, I think there's enough in there that we're okay. And of course, we put in that catchall
clause also. Yep. Okay. I just wanted to bring that to your attention and put it on the record before we move forward. Thank you. [Music] So, we'll start our testimony tonight with Mr. Fischer. Would you like to swear him in?
Yes. You raise your right hand, please. You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do. Okay. State your name. Spell your last name. Michael Fischer. F I S H E R. Great. and make sure the
microphone is nice and close. Mr. Fischer, can you tell the board about your engineering experience, please? Certainly. Uh, I graduated I went attended NGIT, graduated in 2011 with a bachelor of science and civil engineering. Um, I sat for and passed
the the state engineering licensing exam in 2014. And since then, my engineering license has been in good standing in the state. And have you testified before other boards in New Jersey? Yes, I have. And you've been accepted as a engineer in those boards? Yes, I have. We'd offer
him as our engineering expert tonight. Acceptable. Thank you. Can you please walk us over? Um, so we have I assume that's a copy of the plan that's the same that's before the board with no changes. That's correct. The only difference between what's on this uh board right now and what was before them
is a slight colored variation. I I attempted to highlight the four parking spaces in the driveway as being red, although I believe that that's a failed attempt as as I assume the board members at the far end probably can't tell the difference in the colors at this point.
Um, nonetheless, um, there are four dashed uh, rectangular areas representing uh, vehicle spaces in the driveway. That is the only difference. Would you like us to mark that as exhibit one then? Uh, I suppose so, just to be on the safe side. Thank you. And
you know what? We should probably put also on the record that you indicated to me earlier today that your client is not here tonight, could not be here tonight. And it indicated to you that if the board had any questions of your client that you would we would need to come back at another date for them to ask those questions and that's okay with
you. Thank you. Great. Okay. Okay. So, we've marked exhibit A1. Can you explain to us the plan for this, please? Certainly. Uh, [Music] Uh so it's a two-story dwelling um on
the property. Uh building has existed since uh roughly the 1950s on this property. Um there is a paved driveway on the the across the frontage uh access off of Kingston Road.
Um there it's it's [Music] a fully developed piece of property at this point in time in a residential neighborhood. It's in the uh the R10 zone, I believe. I'm sorry, R4 zone.
Um there's uh front access to the to the proper to the house off of Kingston with a public sidewalk across the frontage. Um, property is serviced by water, sewer, and electric and gas.
And you also have I think it's helpful for the board to look at the a copy of the architectural plans with you tonight. Yes. And I believe this one is exactly the same as what was presented to the the board in the application package. Yes. One more to see too, please.
Sure. Good. And is A2 a copy of the architectural plans that we've submitted with this application? Yes, they are. And can you walk the board through the number of apartments on each floor, please? Certainly. Uh, under existing conditions, uh, excluding the basement
at this point in time. The first floor has a three-bedroom apartment on it, and that's the yellow in the middle. Correct. Uh, the blue on the right is the second floor that has a two-bedroom apartment on it. Um there's a um mechanical room in the
basement um currently and that services the the units on the first and second floor. Okay. And so what we're proposing is in pink adding that apartment in the basement. That's correct. It's it would
be effectively a renovation as I understand it um of that basement level to allow for a one-bedroom apartment in there and still maintain the mechanical room. Okay. And what section of the code is it we need relief from for this application then?
There are multiple sections of code that we require uh relief from. [Music] Um, excuse me. We have a variance uh for the fence height in the front yard. Uh,
it's a 4ft high fence is only allowed in the front yard. We're propos or I'm sorry, nothing is proposed. There currently exists a 6ft high fence that extends beyond the front of the dwelling into the front yard. So therefore, that's that's a variance. No changes no changes to the fence are proposed. Um
the previously mentioned use variance is also um a a uh source of of relief requested. Um there is also with regards to the fence um a a section of section
430-11B which states that fences in the front yard must be at least 50% open. Um the fence in that was previously noted um being in the front yard that's 6 ft high is a solid white fence. Um so
therefore again no change to it. We're seeking a variance for that. Um there's additionally a fence variance required because the fence which was previously installed uh was installed closer than.5 ft from the property line. Our fence is
uh located approximately 0.2 feet from the property line. Um noted that the accessories building we have um thank you that very helpful. Thank you. Um in the there's a
shed at the rear of the the lower right hand corner of the property. Um it is located closer than 6 ft off the sideyard. Again, existing conditions. It's not been moved. It's not intended to be moved. Uh it's located 2.8 ft
where six is is the uh requirement off of the rear same shed. Um 10T is the minimum required and we're showing it as being 3.4 ft off of that. Um there are additional variances required for parking. before you get to the parking
variance. Okay. Um would your client be willing to mitigate any of the existing C bulk variances like the having to do with the fence for example or the accessory
building? Have has your client thought about perhaps making any modifications that would bring any of those things into compliance? We have not thought about it um because there's no there's no change and there haven't been any complaints about any of those like no neighbors saying it's too
close or the fence is wrong. I mean I can inquire. I don't I don't know that it like I said it hasn't been a demand. Um I understand we'll agree um I I know some of the things that were brought up in the engineer you know we'll do the utility that we need to work and we'll
agree to deed restrict that to not in the future increase the bedroom count things like that for any changes. Okay. I just wanted to know if he had thought about that at all. Thank you. Okay, great. Continue, please. Thank you. Uh, with regards to the parking, uh, there's both variances that are required from
the township as well as exceptions that are going to be design exceptions that would be required from the RSIs. Um, because this is now defined as a multifamily building. Um, being it's more than two families, more than a
duplex, it becomes a multif family building. and and requirements from the RSIs become applicable. And we did speak to our client about that and how are we going to help alleviate that condition with parking? We agreed to a deed restriction. We did. Yes. Um the the
applicant has indicated that um the need for parking uh for the different units would be addressed by the two-bedroom second floor apartment would only be allowed one parking space
in the driveway. Uh the three-bedroom first floor apartment would only be allowed two parking spaces and the proposed basement one-bedroom would only be allowed one. So that would be the four that we're providing in the driveway and we would put that in our
leases and if the board wanted to approve those leases, we would agree to that also. Board attorney or engineer, are we going to have testimony as to whether or not the street can accommodate on street parking? Sure. So, uh, on street parking, there's there's
signage along, um, Kingston indicating that, uh, I guess seasonally, if you would, uh, seasonal parking is not, uh, permitted in in the when it's roads are snow covered. Um, so that is an issue for for this
property. There would there is other uh areas. Um, a I I frequented the the property before I came here and I did notice uh quite a few on street uh cars parked along Kingston. Um, so people are
using it for on street parking and and my my suggestion would be that if the applicants um tenants had company that attended or uh came to the uh to see them that uh they could park on
street. Now, they would not be able to park directly in front of the property because there's a hydro park uh in front of the property, but there is, as I said, um on street parking all along um Kingston. Is there any available on street in front of this property? No,
not directly in front of it. And there's going to be a total of six bedrooms. Yes. And between all the leases, the leases are going to limit the tenants to a total of four spots. Yes, that's correct. And I think that's important for the board. I think it's important that we do
that or else how do you know? But I think it's not uncommon for a two-bedroom to be a onecar family. So I think that's what they're going to have to market to as a condition. But you could potentially have you can have six cars servicing six residents of this building. Well, the
the RSIS computes to what? Six. Let's do let's go through the numbers. Sure. One bedroom is what? is 1.8. Two bedroom is what? Two. Threebedroom. 2.1. So 5.9. What is it? 2.1.
Sure. Yes. Okay. You add that up, you get what? 5.9. Okay. So six spaces. Yes. And you're providing four. That's correct. So if Mr. and Mrs. Jones are renting this basement
apartment, but Mrs. Jones has to go to TEP for work and her husband has to go to Paripony for work. Aren't we using two cars? Possibly park. I believe based on the deed restriction that we we are proposing, they either have to park on
the street or they'll also only be allowed one vehicle, right? How do you do that? are the enforcement that so your deed you the deed restriction you propose is that none of the tenants can collectively own more than the number of
vehicles in the deed in the in the lease in other words I don't know if it's the deed restriction as much as much as a lease yeah a lease so the lease would say however number of people live here you collectively can only own one car
or two for the first court or two for the first court and who's going to enforce that? Well, unfortunately, that's our fund zoning officer for every municipality and we recognize that, but it is something I've done before is to have those lease restrictions in order because there are people who who take the public
transportation or who don't have the need for the car. And again, we are being upfront. So, it's before someone environment, you don't have public transportation or they live in town or one car household, right? Or Ubers or lifts, you know, I I understand that is something again that we would make sure they have
to know beforehand. You don't want someone to sign a lease and it changes. The the issue is you have no street parking in front of the apartment and the four spaces you have don't meet any kind of design standard. Not enough for the existing uh
it's a driveway you all going to parallel park somehow or other in Yeah. He's going to give a house. Who is giving? I'm sorry, John. Go ahead. The architectural plan. Do you know the ceiling height in that
basement? I I do not know. I'm not I'm not I don't have that information available. The exit capabilities are the stairway and a window well. I'm sorry. The exit capabilities are a stairway and a window well for the basement you're referring
to. I do believe that it's noted on the basement that the there's a window that is egress capable as well as the the main access point. So in the far corners there are there are egress points. It's a proposed egress. Yes, that's correct.
Okay. That's in the bedroom. Yes, that's correct. Do you know what's used in the basement now? What the basement's used for now? Living space. I've seen a picture at least that showed couches and it's it's at least finished to that respect. Who's
living for living space for I don't know if it's common space or and I think utilities you said are down there also. Yes, there are units occupied. Are the other units occupied? Yes. Do you know how many cars those units have? I I we spoke with the client today
and understand there's no parking issues um now and I don't know the exact number. I don't I don't know. I what I would say is I I passed through there before I came to the board hearing this evening and there were only two vehicles parked in the
driveway at this time for the two families that were there. May I ask what time you Yeah, that man is what time you went there. S that's it was 6:30. Okay. Who is going to be the one giving testimony to us
justifying why a nonconforming two family needs to be converted into a super non-conforming three family? Our lucky planner tonight has to burden of carrying that testimony. Would you like me to bring her up? Yeah.
All right, let's do it. Yeah, I tell questions. Excuse me, Mr. Well, I guess um uh Mr. um Fischer was going through the variances and he didn't really he touched on RSIs, but there's a couple in there that I think we should put a
little Well, there's one in there that we should uh put a little more attention to. Uh 50 5214-416B requires parking lots to be designed or not induced cues and travel ways. Now, in this case, you have three different residential units, but only
two cars can get out at any one time. So, there is the potential that a car is going to be queued in the street letting somebody out. Yes, I I would say that that's a possibility, but I would also say that again because there is no on on street parking allowed in front of the the the
dwelling because of the the location of the hydrant that vehicles could temporarily queue along the curb way curb line. Well, not only that, but how would that work? You're going to call your neighbor and say, "Hey, I need to go to work. Got to get up and move the car." Is not practical. That doesn't make any
sense to me, right, sir? And again, that's, you know, that's that that's what the RSI says. We also said and there's again um the listing includes uh you know, parking within 5 ft of the property line is not is is is required where two and a
half is proposed. Um lighting is proposed by RSIS which is not proposed. What about the water and sewer supplies? Well, that was another question because this I think you said the house was 40s 50sish and you know you now have three units
and so those services are I would think the services are going to be replaced. So, we had uh one of the the applicants um property maintenance um people um confirm the diameter of the the sewer
stack coming out of the property and it's noted on the plans on the on the cover sheet. Uh it's a 4 in line coming out. Um and then based on the um the TWWA regs for uh flow generation um
given all three units including the proposed one there would be approximately 675 gallons per day for this building um and it's my understanding that that 4 in pipe at a minimum of 4% which is the
minimum slope allowed um it would be able to convey that and not reach its capacity. And I appreciate that that's for TWWA treatment works approvals for sewer extensions. What does the plumbing code say? Because they're not always the same. Fair enough. I I'd be more than
willing to to further look into that. And again, that's going to have to be something because if we do need to go into the street for a new sewer connection or a new water connection, now we're talking connection details, trench details. Fair enough. And and and I believe I did note that in on the plans as well as in my response letter
that that should um specifically the water. I noted that because we didn't know what size the water line was that um a test pit could be conducted uh assuming the board looked favorably on this application um to confirm the size
and if it was deemed to be inadequate for for the um for the demand for these three units that the applicant would agree to um upgrade the service line coming into the building. Now obviously for both the sewer and the
water um and then we would provide any additional details that would be required. Okay. And I think if if the board is inclined to approve this we can work some kind of condition that'll save that.
How much do you know about utilities for this? Are there separate utilities, separate boilers, furnace, separate water heaters? Um I I do I have some limited information for you on that. I know that there's there's a a water line coming
in, a sewer line coming in. There is um meters on the outside of the building. Um so there's separate electrics. After that, you really don't know or do you?
There's an electric meter in the front corner. So, if you're looking at the property from Kingston, it would be on the front right hand corner on the side. Uh, just behind that, there's also a gas meter in that location. Okay. Um, and then behind that towards the back corner is the the water service line that comes
into the building. And that is that's from that point. Then, if you flip to the architectural plans, um, it shows the services. Um, this is actually would be upside down in comparison. Just it shows mechanical room, but there's a mechanical room here in the basement,
right? Um with a water heater, a furnace, and then private utilities for that particular tenant. Uh meaning the the the washer and the dryer. The water, from my understanding, the water heater and the furnace would be sufficient to support um all three units and it would
just be a zone system. A joint service. That's my understanding. Yes. And it would be a zone system. You got to tap another apartment off that, I guess. Yes. And everyone they're not given an individual electric
bill or a gas bill? I I don't have I I what I can say is with regards to the electric that there is a shut off in each one of the units. Um can can you tell us a history when this became a two family house? That I could not tell you.
The the CO is I'm sorry. The co is dated. The co. It doesn't give me a indication when it was a two family house. Well, it's dated 1975. That's all we can provide. There's a source. You can go back into census files, believe it or
not. When was this building built? In the 50s. In the 50s. I couldn't find this address for the two family house. You couldn't find it as a two family house? No, it's they're
handwritten field census reports who write the names of the people who were living in the house. They're really very interesting. Sounds fun to search. They're very interesting because the family sizes are like seven and eight. A lot of kids, you know, it's
big difference. So, how do we know it's a two family house? We know it's a two family house, but we don't know when it became a two family house. Gotcha. And the township zoning ordinance is vintage 1954.
54. Yeah. 54. So this house was built either when there was zoning or I don't know. Looks like just prior 1950 is the documentation. Because you take a look at the house, it looks like it was a
regular two-story house and they chopped it up. But don't know when I have no idea. And the fact that you only have single utilities to the conservative the structure
would would say the but it wouldn't would say anything just I hear original construction Mr. Mr. Lman you have any other questions? I'm going to make a suggestion. I think
that we're going to need the architect here and have some specifics on how this building operates cuz right now we've got cars lined up in a driveway who
that's problematic. We've got maybe joint utilities, maybe not. Um, I don't know what else might arise, but it might be worthwhile to have a better understanding of this building. Do you
know how long your your client has owned it? 2009. Do you think he has any history? No, don't. But I can ask. You don't think he does? I don't think so. But we can delve into that further also.
I'll see if I can find it. I'm going to ask you about the census survey and figure that out too. Mr. Fischer, are you have you completed your testimony? I believe so. I mean, I was I was going to make my way through the remainder of the parking, but I believe we've touched on a majority of it at this point. So,
yeah, I think as far as as far as a site, you know, we we've gone through it. Um you know the the the issue here from engineering standpoint is that you know this going from a threeb a two family to a multifamily is a significant leap and the municipal annu knowledges
that because with a two family you don't need a a site plan capital site plan but you get into multif family you do need it rsis kicks in so it's while it seems like it's only one unit it is a significant leap as far as uh
development standards Um, but I I I'm guessing that the planner is going to get into that more than more than the engineer would. Does the board have any questions of Mr. Fiser on his testimony? Gentleman on the left. Nope. Gentleman
on the right. I hear you loud and clear about the concerns of parking. And I'm wondering, especially given Mr. Chadwick's request for the Can you hear me? Yes. for the architect to be present that we should wait for the planner then so that we can get all the evidence in and then have the planner wrap it up. I think that's what I'm hearing. Yeah. And
also I think you need to do some research. I don't think John Chad should be researching agree. I didn't know that existed to support the case and I'm not. Okay.
Thank you. Can you show me how to get that field research that I won't be able to do? All the secretary she takes. All right. Okay. So, we we'd ask to be carried without further notice then, please. Jolie, may we have a uh a date, please?
August 6th. August 6th. Nobody's here on that, right? Off the record, I don't think it's there. Um, I am not going to be available on August the 6th.
Alaska. Okay. We can make that work. Thank you. To make August 6. Great. Thank you. Thank you. That's the room. And I would have your your client here. I got that. Yeah.
Thank you. I have a question before you leave, Mr. Johnson. With this Dvariance, the approvals of the board, how many do we need? We need five to approve this application. Five. Okay.
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. [Music] Did you ask for a grant of extension? Yes. Yes. August 6. Yes. Okay. All right. Let me see. August 9th. August
6th. August 6th. Application 251 Family Adventures Pipony LLC 808 Route 46 block 698 lot 15.2 to zone a
B-1 C variance to construct signage. Good evening, Mr. O'Neal. Good evening everyone. Joseph O'Neal here O'Neal here on behalf of the Abigant Family Adventures LLC. This is a
uh application for signage and shopping center. We have been before you before a number of times. We were here for the original Bed Bath and Beyond, the Home Depot, and a number of other uses, all requiring dimensional variances for
their signs because of the layout of the shopping center, which is, to say the least, very vast. They are far away from everything when you enter the shopping center, which is why we're going for these dimensional experiences. Sorry to interrupt. I think I have to recuse
myself. Arlington Plaza. I think it's the Wils. Oh, it is. Yes, it is the Wolves. I'm out. You're out. Okay. You're out. Good luck. Good luck. We have We have enough. You only need four. Yeah. Okay. What the
hell is that? You got these dimensional variances I have with you. Someone to detail that. Mr. Sh, raise your right hand, please. Swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Wait, can you state your name? Spell your last name, please. Thomas Schneider. S C H N E I D E R. Thank you. You can have a seat. [Music] You work for
Forge sign works. You were primarily responsible for the design of this sign. Correct. So just very briefly describe for us what we're asking for copy. [Music]
Thank you, sir. Uh so, Urban Air is occupying uh the uh location in the uh westernmost building. The Urban Air is a national chain. They have multiple locations. They're an indoor adventure park uh for children.
Basically, they have, you know, trampolines, that type of thing. Uh they are occupying what I believe was formerly Bed Bath and Beyond uh which has been subdivided into I guess there's a Marshalls and a HomeGoods to the right and Urban Air is occupying the other half of that or Kmart sorry Kmart.
Um the dimensions of the sign on the storefront are uh basically uh specifically overall it is 27 ft wide. Um the overall height is I think it's 180
It comes out to be a total area of um let's see here 180 square feet. Let me just take that to the building there. [Music] Uh so the the capital I'm sorry the urban air letters are 54 in in height. The adventure park are 18 inches in
height and the logo is 84 in in height. Um that is basically a lockup of their standard logo that they use you know nationally at their various locations. uh it is well under what would be permitted if it was just a square footage uh amount. It's more about the proportions of the sign rather than the
overall square footage of it. The percentages are too high, right? Well, the the overall it's really more the overall height of the sign. So above grade this the top of this sign may not be any higher than 25 ft. Uh if you look at the facade, the way it's laid out, it's centered in the facade itself. The
top of the hat, you know, the the actual logo itself goes above that 25 foot height. So, it's that's one of the uh varian variances that we require is based upon specifically the you know the layout of the sign, the way that it's it's stacked and laid out there. Are you going to run through the all of the
variants you need? Variances you think you would want to do that discuss them if you'd like or I just want to make sure the record is clear as to exactly what you need. Aren't they aren't they part of the reports necessary?
No, they're not. I I just this quick side conversation probably don't have to go through them all because the board has the list in front of Thank you, Mr. Isn't there zoning? No.
Sorry, Mr. O'Neal. So, I mean, I can tell you that there there are basically two there are two variances that we need to we need relief from. One of them is the overall square footage of the sign because there is a maximum limitation in the town of 1550 ft. However, if you utilize the frontage methodology which
is typically used to determine up to that maximum, we're just identifying. Okay. So, that is one of them. The second one, Mr. O'Neal, if you look at your statement of the application that you attached to your application, [Music]
I just want to make sure that's all of them so we don't miss anything. [Music] Yes, that is my uh statement of application. I'm detailing the C variances which are the C variances. That's the sign area we just talked
about. 248 square ft where 22 square ft is allowed. Okay. Total front sign area. That's 288 square ft where 150 square ft is allowed. And it's it's the sign is going to be proposed at 50
square ft from ground level. 25 ft is allowed. So those are those are the variants. Those are the only three variances that you need. Yes, they are. Okay. Great. Thank you. So in addressing uh if you have the you have the uh page number hold on a minute
sorry uh page number six shows you the front elevation of the storefront. Uh it does also indicate and show you the uh you know it shows you the calculations that are required to determine the square footages. Uh this town utilizes what's called the smallest rectangle calculations which means it's
the smallest box or rectangle you can draw around the sign itself. If you look at the specific layout of the Urban Air, if you were to draw a rectangle around, let's for example, the Urban Air Adventure Park letters and then separately segregate the logo, it would be within that. There's a lot of white space if you look at the logo itself
because the upper left and right side of the logo, it's basically open space. It's not the sign itself. So again, if we were to utilize just the uh linear footage of the building, which is typically a way that you would measure the signage, which it is here, which is they're allowed to have one and a half
square ft per linear foot up to a maximum of 150. So we are over that maximum specifically because a limitation of 150. It's a it's an arbitrary number based upon just that amount. So if you look at the shopping center, there are, you know, many other
signs are much larger than that. You have a Home Depot there. you have, you know, a Marshalls which essentially are, you know, have done the same thing. They have a larger storefront, they have a larger sign because it typically if you have a smaller sign and a larger storefront, it just kind of look starts to look smaller and smaller. Um the hat
or the if you look at the logo, the his name is Irvy, that's his name. Um the hat extends above the 25 ft limitation. So it's basically if you draw a line through Irvy's head, that would be where you would have to stop putting the sign. So the the facade of the of the
storefront, as you can see, is built up uh to, you know, to show you that's it's an entryway to the actual property. The sign itself is centered within that facade. So I think aesthetically it, you know, it certainly doesn't look out of place. This storefront actually extends another uh 200 ft uh to the right. So
it's a very large storefront. We're just showing you the section where you enter the actual location itself in this elevation on page seven. Yes. Yes. Which I think is the one the page you were just referring to, right? Uh it's six in my package here. Six. This page here.
Yeah. On page seven, the top of the hat is shown as 30 ft 7 in in elevation. [Music] Uh to the top of it. Yes, that is correct. Okay. So, you're asking for
that 30t 7 in, not the 50 ft. Yes. You know, that may have been a typo or something. Correct. Yes. But you you actually see that in that same you see where the 25 ft is like drawing through his head. So that is correct. You are right sir. That's that is correct. Um aside from that I mean we have other
photographs that you know are other signs in the shopping center. Um you know it doesn't really look out of place. There's a lot of much larger signs in the shopping center. This storefront is set very far back. As you enter into that shopping center, there's a central driveway that brings you in. That kind of brings me to the middle of
a U-shaped uh, you know, the U-shaped construct there, so it's set back very far. Uh, these are 54in letters that read urban air. Uh, those are readable from about, you know, 540 ft away, which is roughly, you know, the various setbacks. It really is appropriate for that. I mean, there's a shop right sign there that those letters are probably
about 10 ft tall. Um, again, we we designed this with respect to other signs that were within the shopping center and based upon our clients, you know, criteria that they have from, you know, their branding standpoint. I do have to amend what I said about the variances looking across the table here.
That green is neon green and it's actually not permitted by your site ordinance, which regulates colors. So, I would request a variance for that green. I think just that the minimous amount of that green is not going to cause a hazard, which would be the reason why
your ordinances normally try to regulate away from neon colors, very bright colors. They don't want people becoming confused by the size of their emergency stop. And this color is called lime green. It's a little neon. So I
would it's a neon. I would there's a panone number associated with it, which is a printing number. Uh, it's 388 C. I mean, everything. Just because you see something printed here doesn't mean it's exactly going to match. Obviously, why is this color chosen? I'm sorry. Why
is this color chosen? That's their national branding. I again, it's the color that's represented here is pretty close to what it looks like. It's not really It's not really a brilliant green. It's not like a It's not like when you say neon, you know. Again, these are descriptive words for colors. That's why we utilize a numbering system
for you. You can reference them. you know the Sheron Williams or various ways of of you know coloring. So the green green color is the corporate color. Correct. That is correct. Yes. Correct. [Music] Oh, I don't have six either. Okay.
I don't have page six. Yeah, we don't have page six. And that's the one that shows the actual dimensions. I have five and six. I have I don't think I have their same package. I think I just have our original drawings here. [Music] Yep. Sorry about that. Oh, that's that's
okay cuz that has a cover sheet on it. That's why it's one page off. Yes, we have page five. Yeah, that is you know this straight. So, apologies. We mark that. We're going to mark that as this actually had a cover sheet added to it according to town county town. I just want to make
sure that that's my cheat sheet. That's correct. This was our original shop drawings which were then again re reumbered and to put into here. So correct. I just want to make sure I have the sheet that you were referring to that had the actual You do. That's why it was only one page off. It's the same.
Yeah. Same pages. Yeah. So it's our it's our page seven. Yes. Correct. This page right here. That is correct. Okay. So that's got the dimensions for which you need the variances. Yes. Gotcha. And they don't match. Yeah. They don't
they they they don't match your your statement. So, all right. So, let me just recap. We straightened out the 50 versus we straightened out the 15 versus the 30. We got straight. What is this? What is the sign area? So, the actual sign area
of the the total sign when you draw the smallest rectangle around it is 210 square ft. Okay. 210 where the 288 But two 210.5 it looks like on your is that
correct? Yeah. But boxing out the components of the sign of what is the area? That's if you look at the top of it that actually tells you what they are. You have 180 and you have 68. So that's the 200 uh what is that
two? It comes out to 24. 248 which is the original thing I said. Yeah. That's the one you said. So it is 248. Yes. Where 22 is permitted. Well, up to 150, I believe, is the Oh, it's 150. 150 is the maximum.
Where'd you get 150? Right here. What? I wonder where he got it. I think it is too. The total front sign area is 150 square feet per minute. The total for this, right? So, it's there's a capidual. So typically what happens is
if you have a 50- foot long storefront, you take that number, you multiply it by 1.5 and that would give you what you would be permitted to do uh to, you know, to install for signage. However, this storefront is actually 27 ft wide. If you do that multiplication, it would get to 210 ft. But there is a maximum
ceiling of 150, which is set here in the town. Okay. Where's the 22 come from? Is that just I don't know. That might be for a different a different zone. I'm not sure at this point. Is this the only sign you're going to have? Yeah, this is it. This So there's a Well, there's a pylon sign. We're just putting new lenses in. So you need
248 square ft where 24 10 is permitted. Well, 150 is the maximum. 15, correct? That's correct. 148 for the whole size. Yes. Where 150 is permitted. You need the 30t 7 in where 25 is permitted in terms of the
height. And you need the lime green color. Right. Yes. Those three variances. That's it. Okay. Now we're sorry. Now I just want to make sure we're all on the same page and I write the resolution. I appreciate that. That's great. Is there anything else? Mr. O'Neal. This This number three is
different. That's correct. That is not That is not Do you have any questions of the board of the testimony given by this gentleman? Yeah. My question is do you know how big the Do you know how big the Marshall and the Homegood signs are? I did do some measurements on them. Um,
got it all. The Marshall's letters are I think they were 6 feet tall. Uh, let's see here. Hold on a minute. Well, the difference is he's getting those measurements is Marshalls and HomeGoods don't have a character ID for.
I understand that. True. And they're much narrower store fronts, too. Actually, the letter letters to letters. So, I mean the Shopright letters, I had measured them out. Those were 8 ft tall. Okay. Um, and again, the home, you know, depending on how they're they're formatted and stacked. So, the shop right has very large block letters. Just
say shop right across the storefront. Marshalls and HomeGoods, those storefronts are less than half of the width of this storefront. And those letters are 6 ft tall. But again, the crux of the matter here is that it just says Marshalls. It doesn't have, you know, the Herby logo on the top of it like these guys have.
Um, and then the sign is only going to be in the area that's colored. Correct. Which is there now. Yes, that is correct. It's the They built up a that IS, you know, the actual like Stuckco storefront in that area. Yeah. I'm I'm just concerned that you have Marshalls
and HomeGoods and and Urban Air on the same side of the shopping center, right? The the lettering should be like they are. Okay. So, to your point, yes, they're all within what you would call the sign band, which is established for all the storefronts. So you have a sign band here for urban air then you have a lower brick facade and then it's built
up again for Marshall a different direction really. So correct but I'm saying even the two that are adjacent those have a builtup storefront as well and it's in the same you know they're in the same horizontal plane in the same you call the sign band if you will. So the letters are urban the same size
range. Yes the letters are in fact the urban air letters are actually smaller but the overall sign height is greater. Yeah I understand about the law. Okay. Are there any other questions of the board? No. [Music] One of the board members would like to
frame a resolution please. I will do it. Application 25 application 251 family adventures for spin LLC 808 route 46 block 698 block number 15.2
to zone B-1 to grant a C variance to construct a signage uh with three with three variances. Three variances for sign area. Sign height.
Sign height. Sign color. Sign color. Yeah. Second, please. Second, please. May we need we need second. Yes. Petty. Yes. Quinn. Yes. Ready? Yes.
Thank you very much. Thank you. I know the I know the township is looking forward to this. Uh we've done a couple locations. They're very fun. The kids love them. They're really cool. Really nice. Yeah, I'm sure it is. Thank you everybody. Have a great night. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. Thank you,
sir. May we have a uh a motion to close the second, please? Second. All in favor? Yep. I I meeting is adjourned. Thank you. Yeah,
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