Okay, the usual please. Okay. Good evening and welcome to the meeting of the Township of Precipity Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. Today is Wednesday, September 10th, 2025, and it's 7:30 p.m. Announcement is made that adequate
notice of this meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 10 col4- set of the open of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Roll call. Mr. Burkowitz >> here.
>> Mr. Crows >> here. >> Mr. Jositz here. >> Mr. Pop, Mr. Petty's not here. >> Mr. Ready >> present. >> Mr. Willings >> here. >> Chairwoman Grani >> present. >> We also have our board planner Mr. Chadwick >> present. >> Our board engineer Mr. Elmanoitz
>> here. >> And our board attorney Mr. Johnson >> here. >> Would you please stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance? >> I to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Mr. Chav, can you raise your right hand, please? >> Do you swear or affirm that any testimony that you give tonight should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes. >> Anyone? Do you swear or affirm that any testimony that you give tonight should
be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you very much. >> Would anyone in the public speak would like to speak on something other than is not on our agenda for this evening? I see none. >> Madam Chairman, before we start, I would
request that uh maybe we all just take a moment of silence uh to remember the Kirk family and help repair our nation this total disrepair. >> Yes, please. May we have a moment of silence? Thank you, Mr. Willings.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. So, we do have correspondence received from Steve Shepus request an application 2438 be carried to October 22nd, 2025 without
further notice and grants an extension of time for the board to make decision on the case. This hearing will be held at Pipony High School on Baldwin Road. >> That's September 17th, right?
the 22nd. We're not going to do the 17th. >> So 17th is all 17. >> We're free next week. >> Next week you have >> already made plans. >> Madam Chair, may I just make a brief comment? >> Brief. >> Just so everything's clear, my letter
did originally ask for the 17th, but we understood there was some issue with uh scheduling and the board having to publish notice as to the special meeting. So I do ask that it be carried to the 22nd of October 22nd. >> Yes. >> October 22nd 2025
>> 2025 at 7:4 p.m. at high school. So you have my consent you raise up. >> Thank you Mr. >> Thank you. We appreciate it. Thank you sir. >> Thank you. >> We have approval of the 2026 meeting. >> You need you need a motion.
>> Yes. May we have a motion, please? >> Yes. So move. >> Second. Second resolution. >> All in favor? >> All in favor? >> I don't know. >> Nor resolutions, please. >> The meeting schedule. Sorry.
>> No, the meeting. >> The meeting schedule. >> I got I got you messed up. >> Didn't I just do the meeting schedule? >> No, I interrupted you when you were doing it. >> Oh, okay. >> Yes. We only have one that we're not going to be able to do. I apologize.
Um, okay. So, we have application uh 2520. I'm sorry, not that one. We have Come on. We have application 2523 and 2531. Those who can vote are Burkowitz,
Jositz, uh, Laterella, Patty Quinn. They're not here. Ready and Willins. Can I have a motion? So >> second >> burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Jascowitz. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Willings.
>> Yes. >> Approved. >> Schedule. We didn't do the schedule. D. >> Yes. [Music] >> Why don't we go >> schedule? >> No. Approval of the of the proposed
meeting schedule. >> Okay. I just have a question on the schedule. >> I'm just curious how come the two early dates in January? >> Because uh I try to uh stick to the first and third weeks of the month and
uh there is a on the third week there is a holiday. Same with the following month. >> Okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Do you have an issue? >> I just wish we didn't have so many holidays. Well, >> so we are approving the uh meeting
schedule of 2026. Everyone has received a copy. Is there a motion? >> Motion was made by Miss Victor Croch. It was >> all in favor. >> I
thank you. >> Here we go. >> Okay. [Music] Okie dokie. >> Yep. >> Application 25 col04. Gene Gina Simmons 20 Upper Rainbow Trail
block 117 lot 12 zone R3 C variance to construct first floor additions. Second floor addition covered front porch with front stairs. Second floor covered deck uh balcony over first floor deck. Front
walk expansion an AC unit on a concrete pad contrary to section 430-35 columns 5 8 10 and 13. This application was carried from the June 25th meeting 2025.
Simmons Can you raise your right hands, please? >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> State your name, spell your last names, please. Starting with you, ma'am. >> Yes, you can. Yes, you can sit down. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Um, Gina Simmons. S I M M O N S is the last name. And you are >> William Lutz. >> And how do you spell your last name? >> L U TZ. >> And um why don't you tell the board what it is that you'd like to do?
>> Um sure. Uh so we are going to uh basically make our current main floor into an open floor plan. Um and then put bedrooms on the another floor above. Can you hear me? Please.
>> Sure. Sure. Sure. Thank you. >> Um, so the current main floor that we are what we are mainly living on now, we are putting into like an open floor configuration and moving the bedrooms upstairs. So >> what's going to be upstairs?
>> Three bedrooms. >> How many bedrooms on the first floor now? >> Three bedrooms. >> Small. >> Yes. And then uh and right now the the top floor whatever is a loft. It's very small but it's still considered right
now a bedroom with a bathroom. It's just very >> um when you were here in June did did you actually come to the hearing? >> No, there was no there were no no um something with the newspaper ads wasn't ready or something. >> Oh, okay. So you weren't here actually?
No, we weren't physically here. >> Okay. Um, have you had a chance to review the report from the municipal engineer dated April 28th, 2025? Does that ring a bell at all? >> Either one of you
guys. >> I'm not sure who that is that's speaking. >> Sorry, this is our contractors. >> It's okay. I just want to make sure the >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Do you want to speak on that? >> Yeah. So, we we did have a chance to review that and we had um Tom Graham uh
with Dystra uh put a storm water management plan uh together and was emailed to the uh township engineer and we also have copies with us today. >> Okay. Do you have anybody coming to testify today or is it just the two of you?
>> Just the two of us. >> Do you have any response from the township engineer >> in terms of the storm water management? response. >> What when did you give it to him? >> I I believe Tom emailed it on Monday. >> Oh,
>> Tom. >> Okay. So, you have a plan to rectify what he asked you to try and address. You had an engineer address it. Put the plan to the engineer, but we haven't heard back from him, >> right? >> No, he didn't. He respond, didn't he email? >> No.
[Music] So, your engineer provided something to the township engineer that you believe >> addressed the township engineers's concerns. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> But it didn't get over there until Monday. >> Uh, no. He was over prior, but he
emailed uh the township engineer on Monday. >> And you believe that was a set of plans? >> Oh, yes. >> Yes, we have them with us. >> Right. It's it's fine that you have them with you, but you don't have your engineer here to testify >> that >> those plans satisfy the concerns of the
township engineer. That's kind of where we're a little stuck. >> What we'd be looking actually for is the town engineer to sign off on them. >> Yeah. Which >> then you're good to go on that >> cuz there was fairly extensive report that he had and that's why he got the engineer involved.
>> So usually for us to move forward >> Mhm. and render a decision, we would get the response from the municipal engineer which would guide us. So, it's kind of tough to approve an application without getting that.
>> Have you had any any communication with your engineer? Meaning, did he get back to you and say, "The town engineer is okay with it. I've just got to get this on a plan, get it over to him," or anything of that order? you were corresponding?
>> No, he didn't give any uh information that he spoke with the township engineer. Uh he did obviously CC him on the email. >> Do you have a clue as to how extensive this storm water management plan is? >> Yeah, I I looked it over. So, uh
>> you're not getting in over your head is really where I'm going. >> No. >> Okay. >> You're going to be able to manage it? >> Yes. Correct. Cuz sometimes we get plans in here and all of a sudden the storm water management plan is more costly than the improvement. So
>> understood. >> So based on what your engineer did for you, you're willing to do what he said you should do to appease. If the township engineer agrees, then you can proceed. >> Correct. >> But the problem is what happens if it's announced, right? >> Yeah. We can't we can't
>> The problem is that you We're not saying that you did anything wrong. >> Yeah. >> But you don't have your engineer here to explain to the board that all the concerns raised by the municipal engineer have been satisfied. I'm not saying they haven't. I'm not saying they have, but you don't have anyone here to
testify that they have. Um, and so you might not want to move forward tonight because you're lacking that key piece of evidence. So, and and this board may not want to move forward tonight because they don't have anything from the municipal engineer
that says that the plan that your engineer proposed is going to address those issues. So, you probably want to carry this matter one more time. I understand it delays everything, but in order to make sure that everything's buttoned up, you may want to ask the board to carry it one more time
>> just to make sure that you're not getting in that you can satisfy the concerns of the municipal engineer. You're not getting into anything over your heads. >> Is that what you want to do? >> Yeah. Protects you. >> Okay. Bottom line, you ought to get on the phone to the town engineer, tell him
who you are, find out what his position is on his plan, as opposed to engage your uh engineer to go spend his time and spend your money >> and then have your engineer here.
>> If an engineer signs off on it, then that issue is over. >> Yeah. >> Which is the fundamental issue. >> Understood. and the engineer won't have to be here. The >> engineer assume that the town engineer says yes.
>> Okay. >> If he doesn't, I think you're going to have to keep it keep after. >> Okay. Nora, do we have a date to carry? >> That's what you want to do, right? Just you have to say yes for the record. So, I understand that that's exactly what you want to do. Is that what you is that what you guys want to do? You want the
board to carry this? >> Yes. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I jumped the gun a little bit. And you said plans had already been submitted to the engineer. So you don't have to worry if uh October 8th. >> Okay. >> I'll make a motion to move it to October
8th. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I see you on October. >> We'll see you October 8. Thank you. >> Hotel 2530 139 Teal Crest Road.
>> Good evening. >> Good evening. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Can you please you can sit down? Can you please state your name and spell your last name? >> Uh last name is Patil P A T I N.
>> And how do you pronounce your first name? >> Uh Chubai. >> Thank you. And what is it? Uh can tell the board what it is that you want to do? >> Uh so basically I want to replace the existing fence that I have. It's a chain link fence with a slate in it. So I want
to replace with the model fence which is like a vinyl one. >> And it appears as though you want the fence to be 6 ft tall. 6 ft tall. Correct. >> Yes. >> Why do you want the fence to be 6 ft tall? >> Uh it's for privacy and the animals uh
keep like bothering. Right. So >> why can't it be 4t tall? >> I'm just asking because that's the variance that you're asking for. Uh the variance basically is uh it's slightly like a broken or shaggy. So I
want to replace it. That's the one. So >> is the existing fence 6 ft tall? >> Uh maybe like five and a half or >> 5 and 1/2 ft tall. >> Okay. >> Exactly. But somewhere there it's not like a
is drive actually exist. Is there a road behind you in your back? >> Uh, so basically this is a corner lot >> and so there it is on the Atlantic and Princess >> and Atlant and Atlantic Drive is an
approved road. Is it it's a street? >> Yes. >> Traffic on that road. >> That is a traffic. >> And you also want the fence to be solid as opposed to 50% see-through. Is that right? >> Uh yes. >> Why is that that you want the fence to
be solid? >> Uh that's for the privacy. Right now it is open but the house the way it is structured it's like actually a backup. >> There was also existing swimming pool which has already been closed. >> So it's a total
pool gone. >> So I removed the pool. I closed because I didn't need it. >> You removed the pool? >> Yes. And you're not putting new one new in later? >> Uh, at least for now, I don't need it. >> Okay.
>> Because there are a lot of trees and it's actually more work than actually, you know, use. >> Okay. >> So, could you be happy with the 4T plus a 1 ft lattice? >> Total of 5T. >> Total of 5T. That would save yourself a
lot of headache here. >> Uh, let me check with my wife. Is that fine? Before you before you wasn't ready for that. >> You're a smart man, I guess. But that's what >> we we don't approve six foot high solid fences. >> Yeah. Before she answers, just so you
know, this that your type of application comes probably once a month and the only ones that have been approved are 4 foot solid, 1 foot ladders, >> which was just offered. >> That is fine. Okay. So,
>> good idea. Okay, >> she's shaking her head. Yes. >> Any other questions of the board? >> No. >> Is there anyone in the audience >> that would like to make a comment on this application either for or against? >> I don't see any. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Someone like to >> Yeah. This is a reasonable request for the privacy of the house. I'm in favor of this >> application 25 col 30 chat until 139
road block 205 lot one zone R3 recommend granting a C variance to install a 5-ft high uh total 4T plus 1 ft lattice contractor section 430-11A and B >> second
Burkowitz >> yes >> dro >> yes >> Joshitz Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Willy. Yes. >> One. Once you should be you should be notified within 10 days and then you can go to the U zoning office and receive
your permits. >> Okay. Lots of luck. >> Thank you very much. Keen application 2526 10 Arnold Drive block 698 lot 62 zone R3 a C variance to construct an inground
pool and patio pool equipment and walk expansion contrary to section 430-35 column 13. Hello. >> Can you raise your right hand please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth? That you can sit down, please, and state your name and spell your last name. >> Jonathan Keane, K E N E. >> And uh tell the board what it is that you'd like to do. >> Uh we're looking to uh replace our existing pool with a new inground pool.
>> So slightly smaller than the existing. >> Yes. What is the notation covered? In ground pool covered mean you putting a roof over this? >> No. >> Is that just your covering for the winter that you're
>> Yeah, I think this is a cover for the winter. >> Okay. So, effectively the township requires that >> even though it's water surface is considered impervious. If they didn't measure that pool, but
solely the uh concrete outside frame, >> you probably wouldn't be in >> Okay. And you're reducing >> size. >> The size. >> Yes. He's just like
[Music] >> he's going >> and the engineer has no issues with this. >> Okay, that's an easy one. >> I think this looks like pretty uh request and I'm going to be available.
>> Are there any other questions? >> No. >> No. We'd like someone like to frame a resolution. >> They want to just ask if anybody in the audience is >> Oh, I'm Yes. Sorry. Anyone in the audience would like to speak in favor of or against this applicant and the
testimony that he has given. I see >> application 25 col 26 Jonathan Keane 10 ornal drive block 698 lot 62 zone R3 grand recommend granting a C variance to construct an ingram pool equipment and walking expansion contrary
to section 430-35 column 13 >> second ready >> bowitz >> yes >> yes >> go yes >> ready yes >> yes >> yes >> thank Just enjoy. >> Yes.
>> You'll enjoy it next year. >> Yeah. >> Sebastian Gray Gay. Application 25 col 29 3 Deville Drive block 753 lots 57
zone R2 C variance to construct a shed and patio contrary to section 430-35 columns 10 and 13. Good evening. Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, the testimony of the truth? >> You can have a seat. State your name.
Spell your last name, please. >> Sebastian Gay. Uh Gay G- A Y. >> And tell the board what it is that you'd like to do. I'd like to uh replace the uh existing deck and expand the coverage area um with a patio in front of uh I
guess a door that leads to the outside which is currently just >> Can you pull the microphone a little closer? Thank you. >> I'm trying to uh replace the existing deck uh as well as expand the coverage area uh in front of a door that uh leads
to the backyard which is currently just dirt and is not usable. Okay. There's a memo from the township engineer dated August 15th of 2025. Have you seen that memo? >> I have not seen that memo.
>> I have a copy for you. >> Okay. >> But it's fairly extensive. When would this be sent back? >> And you may want to discuss the issues raised in that memo with the municipal
engineer before you move forward on this application. Both so you understand what you might be getting yourself into in terms of storm water management. And so because maybe you modify your plans to address those issues because you're
going to have to at some point in time do that. Um he also indicates that um there hasn't been any grading information provided and that may be necessary. So it might be wise for you to ask the board to carry this matter to
another date so you can have those discussions and find out exactly what it is that you're getting yourself into with respect to this project. >> Okay. >> That should have been supposedly was mailed to you August 15th. So,
>> okay. I don't believe I received it. >> So, would you like to carry this application to a later date so you can address those issues? >> Yes, >> I think that would be wise. >> Thank you. Nora, may we have a carry date, please? >> Um, let's put them on
October 8th. >> Okay. >> I thought we had one. Oh, >> I'm sorry. Yeah, that's good. >> October 8th. >> Okay. >> October 8th, please come back. >> Actually, it's October 8th. That not enough time if he hasn't created
>> you. You might want more time than that. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Maybe October 22nd. >> Yes. >> 22nd. >> Is that Is that right? You're right. You're right. >> Contact the engineering department. go over the issues that they have
>> and we'll see you on the 29th. >> All right. Thank you. >> Your your the memo that the engineer provided talks about a drywall shown on your survey, >> but the survey we have >> doesn't show it. Do you know what I'm
talking about? >> Yeah, that's something. Uh so I went to uh I guess engineering and I talked to Brendan. He provided me with the drywall calculation that I was supposed to do. it was great help and uh I measured it and so that's what's showing on the uh
proposed plan. uh it's not existing. It's to be built and uh to address that issue actually um only half the roof >> I want to interrupt. The memo from the township of engineers >> mentions the drywall but then he goes on
to say that the improvements here may be very expensive and I think you need to get back with him and we need you need a different report. That's one of the things we just doesn't make sense to make it subject to the
township engineers improvement and the and the drywall of the water system cost more than everything else. >> Okay. >> So you I had the drywall price. >> I did meet with him and talk about this. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
Let's do it again. >> Thank you. >> See you on the 29th. Yeah. Application 25 col 27. Michael and Jennifer Jeff Jessica, excuse me. Neb
289 Allentown Road, lock 271, lock 23, zone R4, C variance to legalize a gazebo, >> rear wall, >> patio, and driveway >> contrary to section 430-35, column 13. Raise your right hand,
please. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing? You can sit down, state your name, spell your last name. >> Sure. >> Michael Neoth N. >> I give you >> So, um, I understand that you're here to
legalize things that are pre-existed. >> Correct. >> Okay. Have you seen the memo from the municipal engineer dated August 15th, 2025? No, >> those aren't sent to the What's going on with this? >> You know, it's it things are being corrected over there. The person who had
been handling this stuff has left the township and it's things are actually starting to catch up and be timely. But these last few I have an extra coffee. >> You're welcome.
You've probably heard some of the prior applications. >> Yeah. >> So, it may be in your best interest to ask the board to carry this matter so that you can have a discussion with the municipal engineer about how you might address his concerns regarding storm
water, especially because your improvements are currently on site, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. So, you wouldn't want to have to take those out. Correct. Yes, absolutely. >> You'd probably rather address the storm
water issues than do that, right? >> So, you want the board to carry this matter so you have a chance to do that? >> Sure. And just I've been working directly with um with Robert and Michael and zoning for leading up to this. >> Okay. >> Um should I go back? I mean, we met with Justin originally when it first came up.
>> Okay. Um, >> so did you did you have any plans prepared that would address the concerns? >> When we were notified when they when engineering first came, actually when we were finishing up work when the the issue first arose, we went to Justin immediately, talked to Brandon, filled
out the permit for the uh driveway and he said, you know, give me the check. We'll we'll file the permit. You guys are almost done. Come back on next week. Let us know when you're finished. We'll come check it out, etc. Then I don't know how that changed from when we talked to Justin originally. Um but then
zoning got involved afterwards and that's how it all transpired from there. So I'm totally okay with with carrying it. I just want to make sure that we do it the right way. I just want to make sure because we haven't worked at all with engineering directly since that point that we're going to the right the right people. That's all.
>> Yeah, it sounds like you are you're going to go back to Justin at municipal engineering to specifically address the concerns in his August 15th memo. Okay, understood. >> So, should we should we expect that to come to in the mail when >> No, this is just a copy and it's good. >> You have to go.
>> No, you have to go. >> No, no, I understand. But the notice that would that was mailed. This is the same. Okay. >> Yes. >> That's the same thing that that you should have gotten in the mail. >> Okay. >> So, you're asking the board to carry it, >> please. Yes. >> Okay. >> Uh, how do you feel about a special half
hour on November 5th? >> November 5th. >> Mhm. What happened in November 8th? >> October 8th. >> November 8th. >> Oh, no. No. >> November 5th. >> November 5th. That's seven. You're
you're proposing, Nora. >> Is that not >> right? Because the October 8th John's speaking about um he hasn't he doesn't have >> No, I I I I wasn't think 20 October 29th is too full. Is that what you're thinking? >> Uh
yes. >> Okay. Okay, >> I'm fine. I I'm happy to come in at 7 o'clock. >> You know what? Um >> Yeah, I mean like 7 o'clock is fine with me. >> October 20. >> That was the other one we put on that date. Yeah, let's do November 5th at 7:00.
>> 7 p.m. >> November 5th at 7:00. >> At 7 p.m. >> Understood. >> Is anybody here on that work? >> Is there anyone here in regard to this application? Okay. You seem to be concerned about the date.
Is there some >> No, no, no, no. Date. She's the boss. M the Mrs. is the boss. So, just making sure we're good. >> Just see November 5th. >> We need a motion to >> Okay, we have a motion, please. >> Second.
>> Roll call, please. >> All in favor? >> Okay. November the 5th. 7 o'clock. >> Thank you very much. >> That meeting's at 7:00. Yes, it is. >> Yeah. Right. >> Application 24 col 78. Michael and Maria
Chihan 8, Stafford Terrace, block 742, lot 56. Zone R2 C variance to construct a new single family dwelling and deck. Legalize an ingground pool, patio, and shedding. Contrary to section 430-35,
column 279, rear yard open deck pool equipment, pool and patio 13 and section 430-10, rear yard shed. >> Okay, Mr. O'Neal, good evening.
>> Good evening everyone. I'm Joseph O'Neal of Gafal O'Neal Rogerio here on behalf of the Sheen. Just like to make a couple introductory comments if I may. You're what you're looking at here is an application to replace a house that burned out.
We are exactly replacing that footprint of a house with some modifications inside really imperceptible from the outside. We are not adding a single lick of imperous coverage, but we are legalizing apparently what were
unapproved pools and other structures that were done by the prior owners. >> How long ago? >> How long ago was that? >> We bought the house. We bought the house 31 years ago. >> Can you just raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth to hold truth to
nothing but the truth? >> Yes. >> State your name and spell your last name, please. >> My name is Michael Sheen. S h e e h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h h a n. >> Great. Thank you. >> Did I hear a plural in that one? >> No. >> And the pools. >> Well, there's only one above the pool.
There's two pools on the site because there was a koi pond next to the house and apparently the koiish are in the above ground pool. >> Sure statement. Um they were transported temporarily into the above ground pool
which is basically a 10t by 3 ft you know put together in an hour thing um that can be dissembled within an hour because the fish are now back in the koi pond. >> Okay. So >> gotcha. >> So you have a koi pond and an ingground pool >> uh and correct
>> good. Thank you. Now, this uh house that we're replacing is on a lot that's a little lower than the other lots in the neighborhood. There's a significant wetlands behind it. And on the lot is a municipal
culvert. It all works fine. Nothing backs up, but there's a lot of water flowing across this lot. So, you guys are getting ready to ask me if I've seen the engineers's letter, and I have seen the engineers's letter,
>> but what I am asking for at this point is that the board approve this project and defer the engineering review to the building permit process. >> Why you want to do that, Mr. Man? >> Well, there's a couple of reasons. >> Okay. The primary reason is
>> well before we get to that have we had discussion on what this structure is whether it's a one family or a two family home >> it's going to be one family home >> we have plans here for from August the
4th 2025 that shows a kitchen >> there should only be one kitchen amended the application to remove that kitchen >> totally remove the kitchen >> the And we have in front of us are dated
[Music] >> kitchen is on the second floor. >> August 1st, 25. Is that the latest date? Yes. >> When did you the the arrangement on this house? When
I come in the front door [Music] to access the lower portion of the building which has five and six labeled bedroom.
I go through a a corer into the and to get to the second floor, I have a staircase that leads up to the second floor. And the it's saying the only kitchen in this
building will be on the second floor. >> That is correct. >> I told that's correct. What are what are the wet bar area and recreation room and
those facilities? >> Not a kitchen because it's not going to have an oven. >> It's not It's just going to be a sink, a faucet, >> six bed, >> maybe a small refrigerator, >> like a red bar. >> Like a wet bar? >> Yeah, like a wet bar.
>> And you have two bedrooms on that level and a full bath. Correct. I believe that correct one in I think you go why don't we address the issue at hand which is the engineers letter. So
the engineers making a lot of requests for us to do design work on storm water management. Now under the municipal land use law 4055D-37 if anyone wants to look it up. Section A
says single family homes are exempt from site plan requirements. Everything in that letter is indicating we need a site plan. If you look at the way your storm water management
ordinance is adopted 25 225-103, you'll see that a lot of the elements that need to be put into plan are site plan elements. So now we're exempt from that. I've reviewed that storm water report, but I
think that that could be more properly handled in the permitting process because it doesn't specifically say board approvals. It just says approvals. So I think that could be handled in the permitting process and removed from this board and allow this application to go
forward. We put in our proofs. will discuss the house, the number of bedrooms, the koi pond and the pool and everything else, but the storm water testimony for something like this on this lot would be very extensive. And
I'm not exactly convinced. I haven't I had a call with uh Mr. Leisa about this, but we didn't discuss the merits of it. I'm not completely convinced that existing 30-year structures count towards the disturbances that would be
applicable for the stormwater rags. I think the thing I was surprised to get the letter. I thought it was going to be exact. >> So, >> stormwater rags say if it's an existing structure or whatever, you don't have to count it to the new numbers.
So, there's a lot of issues with this. So, who do you think is the proper body to decide that issue? >> I think the proper official is the construction official to make sure that's part of the approvals to get in the packet along with the building permits and everything else
it be approved by Justin at that level. >> And if it's not approved, then they can't get a certificate of occupancy >> and then you have to come back to us >> if the design changed. But we have an engineer. He's very confident it's going to be fine because it's been working in
the past and we're not adding anything. >> I so I don't mean to interrupt. I spoke with the engineering department today and I specifically asked uh you know who inspects the you know storm water management measures and they said they do >> okay
>> not construction. Madam Chair, but if they don't sign off, >> Madam Chair, I think the issue here is that the there's an imper there's a lot coverage variance that probably speaks to the pool that would installed without permits. If the
pool was installed with permits, then you would have storm water management for it. No, I I disagree. I don't The regs do not say it has to be an approved structure. It just says pre-existing structure. So I think the rags would
exemplify. >> So you're saying an illegal structure counts? >> It's been there 30 years. >> Still illegal, >> but it's still illegal. >> Yeah. It was never approved. >> But it's existing structure. You can't just will it.
>> Yes, you can. >> It wasn't approved. >> No, you can't. >> Not if No, you can't. But if you never got a variance for the structure in the first place, the structure needs a variance, >> which is what we're here doing >> for the pool. >> Yes, we're absolutely doing that tonight.
>> I got no problem storm water. And doesn't that trigger the storm water requirement? >> Because it's specifically >> not an approved structure. >> No, >> because if it had been approved at the time it was constructed, then it would have been subject to whatever
requirements existed at that time. And >> can I try something here? I'm sorry. So, we're talking about a property site that had an ingground existing pool for 31 years. We had a house. The house burnt down. >> Right >> now, we want to build a house back. >> Right. >> We want to reuse the pool is there for
31 years. You'd like us to prove that pool has been there for 31 years. >> Okay. >> Uh I I'm I'm sorry. I'm not sure why that's big problem. now impervious coverage and all this other stuff. If the applicant, according to your attorneys, willing to put the other thing on permitting back to occupancy, I
I I can't see why we would not be approving things going on here being requested. It's all pre-existing. It's non-conforming pre-existing, but still it's been existing for 31 years. >> And also a pool is uh uh considered as collecting the water, right? Do we have
any opposition or anybody who's going to tell us and do you have neighbors that are are getting any water? No. All that water comes to us. All the water comes to you. >> You're the low area. >> Yeah, cuz they're they're below. >> Yeah, they're below.
>> I think Mr. Will's point makes sense to me. >> I I I think it makes sense, too. >> And And you indicated, Mr. O'Neal that your client is willing to seek approval of those storm water management issues at the time >> that he is going for his certificate of
occupancy as part of the building permit process of the approval here. >> Well, before you before you get a building permit, you should have an answer to that question. >> The answer is yes. >> I mean, you're not going to build a building and then try to get some water management approval. You're going to get
it before you get a permit issued. >> That's right. Okay. You agree to that? >> I agree to that, but it's not a zoning condition. >> Right. >> Right. >> But you you're you're representing on the record and we can draft language in the resolution to deal with this
representation that you will seek approval of the storm water management measures prior to seeking a building permit. >> Yes. Right. So that you can't argue something here and then go in front of them and argue something the opposite
and >> bypass it. Is that what you're thinking, Mr. President? >> No. Well, we're going to, you know, we're we'll do we'll eventually come to some kind of an agreement with Mr. Leis as to what needs to be done. I'm not going to concede that I think it's going to need that stormwater plan because I don't think it does. >> Okay.
>> But I've been wrong before every once in a while, so I'm willing to allow for that. So this is a single family home, not a two family home. >> That's right. Got it. Okay. >> It's replacing a house that was there for 30 years that you lived in for those 30 years. >> Well, the house was actually built in
72. >> Okay. Got it. >> But we've been there for 31 years. >> Do you have any other questions from the board? >> Nope. >> What do you want to put your person in? >> I'm going to go forward with the application. >> Fair amount of variances. I guess the
question is have we is everyone satisfied with respect to the storm water issue? >> I am I am >> not but I'm not moving. >> Yep. >> Mhm. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So with that, I'd like to introduce Mr. Sheen. We're going to talk about what
happened to the house. Mr. Sheen, you've been sworn already. Uh you already indicated to the board as I was doing my narrative about the condition of the lot itself being a little low by your uh your house burned out last year
and uh the site has now been cleared after some delay uh just as I believe the chimney and the uh >> part of the chimney and the slab remaining. So, the property has been completely cleaned cleared of any of the
debris from the of the fire that remain correct the fire. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we do have a small dumpster on site for anything that we're finding in the shed that we want to get rid of, >> you know, but that's it. >> And I do want to make sure you confirm what I said about the uh the pipe that
it's not really backing up onto your property in extreme >> extreme conditions. You know, it is uh I believe a 20 or 22 inch conduit. >> It's working well. >> Yes. >> I have no further questions for this witness. So, the professionals about the
site and the house itself. >> Okay. I have a couple questions. The the shed and the patio, are they the same age as the pool? >> Um well, from what I understand, the um
everything is at least 31 years old. I don't know, you know, if it was done prior to >> Let me ask the question differently. When you bought the house, the shed, this patio, and the pool were there, correct? >> And that's the way you're keeping it for now, >> correct? >> Okay.
>> Shed's in good shape. >> I'm sorry. >> Shed's in good shape. >> Yes. >> Any questions from the board? >> No. >> Thank you, Mr. Questions. He's got another >> any questions of this witness.
>> Okay. >> Do we have any questions of Mr. She people in the audience that would like to question the applicant on the information that he has given us this evening? See you. >> Thank you.
[Music] >> Raise your right hand, please. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Say your name, spell your last name, please. >> Peter Corsen, spelled K O R S N. >> Mr. Corsin, you've appeared before this
board numerous times, have you? >> I have. >> I would offer him again as a witness, an expert in engineer's acceptable. >> Thank you. So, uh, we have here the, uh, existing conditions and zoning plan. This is last
revised July 8th, 2025. And the subject property is on the west side of Stafford Terrace. It's in the R2 zone. Um, has an odd configuration. Also, the lot size is
well undersized. It's about 25% undersized. It's 22,534 square ft where the minimum in the zone is 30,000 square ft. So you can see the boundary lines here, the the bold double dash lines. It kind
of jogs back and then heads out towards Stafford Terrace. There are residential properties on the south and north side that are both both part of the subdivision. Uh there's also the Bethany Church property in the back.
And as you heard, the topography all uh slopes downward from the road and also from the neighbors to the south and north. Uh the improvements on the property include the ble dwelling which is situated pretty much at the front setback line. There's also a driveway
from Stafford Terrace that leads to a side entry garage. In back of that is the ingground pool, the patio around the pool, and then in the back of the pool is the shed at the very northerly corner of the site. Uh in back of the house is
a large elevated deck above a a concrete patio. Uh to the south of that is a smaller deck and in between between the two is the koi pond that you've heard about. Uh to um as far as drainage goes, you heard about the culvert. That
culvert is a 21 in that starts as a head wall and ends in the uh township's storm source system. Uh there's also on-site drainage which is a gravel drainage channel on the northerly property line that connects to
a drainage ditch which runs uh along the westerly property line and across portion of the Bethany Church site. There's also a 15-in pipe segment before it gets to another ditch and then that connects to the head wall. Uh
the proposed improvements are very minor and they include a uh trimming back of the deck because it encroaches over the property line. And actually what's shown on this uh plan is a little different than what they propose. Uh what's shown is clipping the corner of the patio and
and concrete uh I'm sorry, the deck and the concrete patio underneath it back one foot from the property line. Instead, what they want to do, they don't need that entire area. So, they're going to start at 1 ft back and just have a line parallel to the back of the
house. So, even more impervious surface is going to be removed because of that. Um, the other modification is going to be replacing the dwelling and raising it up slightly. The garage slab will be raised up slightly. You'll hear more about that
from the project architect. Um, I believe it's a 4-in raise on the garage slab. And to accommodate the transition from the asphalt driveway into the garage, just a minor ramp will be constructed um probably 6 feet long or 6 foot wide um just to get into the
garage. Um, as you can see in the upper right, there's a zoning data table, and you heard about the variances. Uh, there is a 10-foot setback requirement for decks, and uh, this happens to be encroaching
on the neighboring property by 1.1 ft. Uh, so we are proposing to correct that, but there is a variance required. It's just due to the odd configuration of this lot and that property line in the back. Um the other variance is for the impervious coverage and you've heard a
lot about that. Uh there's a maximum of 4,56 square ft permitted and what's currently on the property is 7,253 square ft. Uh we are removing some but it's still a
variance condition. And uh a good part of that has to do with the fact that this lot is undersized. So, um, considering all of that, um, I'm not testifying as a planner, but I don't see any detriments to the, uh, surrounding property or the public good, uh,
especially considering that this is the the low end of, uh, or low spot of the surrounding area. And I'm not sure if you want me to address anything in Mr. Leisa's memo, but uh, I have read >> I do not. >> Thank you, Mr. Cors.
>> Any questions from the board? >> Yeah. What would the impervious coverage be without the pool? Any idea? >> Pool is um it's actually on a chart here. You can see the pool itself. The water is one
pool water is 651 square feet. >> It's a small print from the >> 651 square ft. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> Approximately what would that reduce the impervious coverage?
Again, this is going to change because >> a lot, but >> yeah, uh it'll change because the uh applicant is going to modify the deck a little bit from what's shown, but >> Oh, Ladder
>> 6,597 square ft. So, if this was a 30,000 square foot lot, there would be permitted 6,000 ft. >> Mr. O'Neal, do you know if your client ever contacted the church in acquiring
that low area that's behind his house? >> Yes. Numerous time. Huh. >> Numerous times. >> And they're not >> for both purchasing and trying to get an easement. There's no interest. Couldn't do anything in any commercially feasible place with them. >> And they can't really use it. It's all
wetland, isn't it? >> Well, I tried to tell them that and they didn't believe me. >> Okay. They didn't believe you. >> All right, we'll find out. >> Do you know the total square footage of the deck that's going to be removed?
>> Removed or replaced? >> Removed. What? You're going to cut some of that off? The the deck. Is the deck currently existing or is that was that already removed? >> That's existing, but it was damaged in the fire. It's gone now. >> So, what what will be the new size of the deck?
>> Ballpark. Uh the plan shows only five square ft being removed, but they they want to change that. They want to remove even more. It'll probably be another 50 square ft. >> I just want to make sure that the resolution >> Yeah, we'll we'll have the correct number for the resolution. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Can you get that to Mr. O'Neal and he
can get it to me? Make sure the resolution reflects that. Yeah, [Music] >> I I did have another question. On the upper right hand corner of the lot, is that also a drainage feature right on the edge of the lot? >> Uh yeah, there is another uh similar to
the drainage channel that runs along the Norway property line. There's another one that um heads down from offsite and that connects with that one and then that enters an earthn drainage channel which runs along the through the uh Bethany church property
>> and that all eventually goes to that culp right >> it does. Yeah. >> Your client said that he this property doesn't flood. >> That's right. It works. >> Wow. And the footprint of the new house will
be on the exact same footprint as the previous house. >> Yes. And our project architect is here. [Music] >> Any other questions from the board here? >> No. >> Anyone in the audience have any
questions of this gentleman on the testimony that he has given only? I see. >> Thank you, Mr. Corsa. Raise [Music] your right hand, please. Do you swear or
affirm that the testimony that you're about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> You can sit down. State your names by your left. >> Um, Douglas Ozra, uh, AS R A L, registered architect, state of New Jersey. >> Mr. Azro, would you mind giving the
board, please, the benefit of your experience? Uh, I've appeared before this board twice in the past year. um and uh before other boards in in Norris County area and most recently Madison Floren Park and Cadam. >> So I'd submit him as an expert for architectural purposes.
>> Acceptable as uh you will of course right off the bat confirm for me you are replacing the exact footprint of the house. >> Yes, directly upon the exact footprint >> using the exhibit. Can you walk us through what it is you're doing?
>> Absolutely. Can I ask you a question? Sure. >> You present the case as you wish. Not for me to say, but you're building a house on the same footprint as the old house. That's right.
>> The real issue was maybe the storm water. We're not dealing with that. >> Right. >> Well, a question was asked about the kitchen and I'm just going to confirm the layout of the house. >> Gotcha. But it's gone now. >> Yeah. >> Right.
>> Going to confirm that with the expert. >> Yeah, I'm with you. Okay. >> All right. >> Where was the second kitchen that was proposed for about 5 minutes where the web? >> Right. Exactly. Uh um so on the the first floor or ground level um which
we're proposing to elevate from the uh existing um uh houses condition uh just to uh uh maintain a positive drainage you know away from the uh first floor slab. Um uh other than that, the um um
the uh the floor plan of of of the ground level uh includes a recreation room with a wet bar um um which is directly adjacent to the patio um in the backyard. So for entertainment purposes
to facilitate uh backyard, you know, uh barbecue >> barbecues and such. Yes, exactly. Uh activities. Um the rest of the floor plan uh includes a full bathroom, uh two two other bedroom, bedrooms five and six, a laundry room, and an office off
the foyer. Um and then of course the uh garage, the existing garage in to to remain uh same location. Um and uh that's the layout of the uh first floor. Uh the the one staircase that we have here in the in the front will take us up
to the second floor where uh the main living before we get to the second floor. >> First floor also has a cut uh cutter room. >> Um, >> correct. >> Oh, yes. There's a powder room off the hallway. Yes. >> And then I also see a door when you
enter before you go up the stairs. There is a door in the first floor hallway. >> First floor hallway. Uh, there's a door, >> right? Yeah. >> And what's the need for the door? If this is just a recreation area, why do we need a door?
>> Um um um I I was just I I'll have to have uh the um um uh the owner address uh the the door in the hallway. >> Remove the door. >> Yeah. I Okay. I think that was maybe a remnant uh of a previous scheme, but we would propose to remove the door. >> Remove the door.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> The one that's designated 107 on the plane. Is that what you're talking about? >> 106. I have 106. So, would your client be >> Yes. One and one second. >> Anyone else? >> Two pockets. >> Agree to have within the resolution of
approval, if the board does approve this, that this is a single family house and no additional kitchen. >> That's the application. Absolutely. >> That resolution, >> but that's the current application. >> That's the application. Yeah, absolutely. I'd expect the resolution to
read that way. >> Excuse me. I'm always going to carry a little further that the resolution will become a deed restriction file >> so it would be readily discoverable. >> Well, >> I see additional doors. I'm sorry. 105
before we go up the staircase. >> Yes. Uh 105 is a closet door. >> The closet door underneath the stair. >> Okay. >> Johnny. >> And then 107. Excuse me. 107. >> Yes. We would remove doors 106 and 107. >> Okay. Thank you,
>> Johnny. Are you concerned that that uh bar area could just turn into a kitchen real quick? >> Yeah, definitely. >> Yeah, >> I am. >> Okay. >> I mean, it started out as a two family house, >> right? >> It now erased some >> features and it's a one family house,
>> and I'm not uh saying this applicant has a long-term plan, but it's down the road somebody comes in and says, you know, I can readily convert this. And whether they do it legally or in illegal, >> they'd have to come back. >> They illegally
>> if it if it's simple to uh >> get approved for 30, a couple doors are going to family. I I just don't think >> but the board doesn't usually do a deed restriction unless unless you're approving a second kitchen
and then you do a deed restriction requiring that the second kitchen be removed >> if the house is sold. It's readily discoverable that this is a zone for single family homes. >> Yeah, >> we're going to remove anything that would suggest it's conversion to a two
family home. >> Yeah. >> Now, you're right. They could sell the house to somebody and somebody could come in and try to turn it into a two family home. Whether there's a deed restriction there or not, I would posit to you they'd probably do that anyway and uh zoning would have to catch him at that, right? I don't think it adds
anything to enforcement to put something in a deed restriction that's already prohib >> and John usually doesn't say that if he doesn't have something behind him. >> Well, no, I just think it it was a two family no question what was originally
filed and we erased some features on the plans. >> Y >> and that's all we did. Why would there be any opposition to that if it really >> Well, I'll give you a firsthand example to that. Deed restrictions, >> yeah, >> are fine until you get down the line in time.
>> Explain. >> We just did a deal for a uh house in Livingston that was encumbered by deed restrictions for zoning that had expired 40 years ago or something. So, we had to remove through the process of selling
the house the deed restrictions. I just think deed restrictions >> when I was coming up, deed restrictions were disfavored because they're clouding the title as the title moves through from person to person, >> right? >> It's not really adding anything. I think
if it was something that was additional beyond the ordinance, >> Mhm. >> something like that would be appropriate. But >> that's right. And if again if a deed restriction is in place, let's say 40 years down the line, they legalize two
families in all the zones. I guess right now from my standpoint, clearly they had a two family registration plan. They've taken that out. They're now asking us to approve a one family home. Okay. >> Right.
uh and replace the one family home they were living in for 30 years. And >> if somebody buys it because it's structured so that they could make a two family, that's on them, not on the current owner. So I think encumbering them further with uh with all the loss
they've had already would be >> beyond my >> Yeah. And when we're removing the door, we're removing the door. >> Yeah. The doors are being removed. Everything else, you know. >> Okay. So, it's not just something we're going to take out a door >> so they can come back in and hang another door.
>> Yeah. >> We're making a substantial change to that. >> Thank you. Continue, please. >> All right. Um, so, uh, moving on to the second floor. Um, >> please. >> Um, so, uh, from the one staircase in
the front, uh, to the, uh, main, uh, living areas of a kitchen, the one kitchen, um, upstairs on the second floor. um toward the rear which has access to um the wood deck um which is smaller uh than the original deck. Uh
its total square footage will be about 430 ft um which in including the stairs uh down to the patio. Um and then uh there's uh the uh four other bedrooms and uh three bathrooms um
so there's a the a master suite um a hall and two hall bathrooms um and um uh to service the other three bedrooms um and so yeah total four bedrooms upstairs, three bathrooms, living, dining, kitchen and the stair down to
the first floor. Oh, let me show the exterior elevations real quick. It's going to look like the house before. >> Not increasing the height. [Music]
It's uh in in appearance it's it's very much very similar to the existing house. We're working with uh some of the uh existing features of where the uh uh uh original door placement uh is um and uh where the garage is. Uh but just a few
modifications to um u the the actual wind windows and um um and create a um the twotory foyer that we have. were recreated uh actually and just a few changes uh for aesthetic uh uh uh
reasons. Um and um yeah, and some additional trim that wasn't on the existing house uh and go for a more of a a covered uh portico in the front. Um and yeah, it's
right here. So uh and the building height being proposed is uh uh 25.7 ft above um the average grade. >> There's no variances there. So >> and yeah, thank you Mr. Alroth. No further questions for this. >> Does the board have any questions of
this of this gentleman? >> Anyone in the audience have any questions of this gentleman on the information that he has given us only? I see nothing. Mr. I have no further witnesses, but I would like to sum up a little bit. I recognize
that we're asking for impervious coverage variances here, but I point out two things to you. Everything we're asking for has been there for 31 years. And normally the thing you got to worry about with impervious coverage variances, what is it doing to the water? And what is it doing to the
neighbors? Well, it's not keeping the neighbors water off our property. I can tell you that. So, there's no negative impacts on any of the neighbors. all the water is going to continue to flow onto this lot. So, I think the board would be well within its rights to uh grant that
variance for the pre-existing. Thank you. >> Are there any other questions from the board? Mr. O'Neal, I'd like to frame resolution, please. >> Yeah, I think it's a reasonable request. You're building that house with the same exact footprint as the home that was
there for at least 31 years. Uh the water issue it seemed you've explained well enough that will get resolved in the proper uh with the proper department at the proper time. Um and I will be voting for it. [Music] Application 24 col 78 Michael Marie
Maria Shien 8 Stafford Terrace block 742 lot 56 zone R-2 recommend granting a seance to construct new single family dwelling and deck legalize an ingground pool and shed contract section 430-35 columns 279
rear yard open deck pool equipment pool and patio 13 and section 430-10 C rear yard shed is there anything else I need to include in there Mr. with the modification to the deck that was discussed >> with the modification to the deck as was discussed and
>> and uh maybe you want to put in there'll be no impact of water to the neighbors something to that effect. >> Well, >> well that was testimony certainly. >> Yeah, that was stand by that >> with the representation that the >> we're not doing any work, >> right? >> Yeah. with a representation that the
storm water mitigation measures will be addressed that you will get approved storm water mitigation measures prior to the issuance of the bill. >> Yes. >> As well said >> secondit. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Josh. >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Thank you everyone. Can I have five minutes before the next matter? >> Five minutes. Yes. Thank you. >> Can we have five minutes? >> Yes, of course. Five minutes, please.
Thank you. >> Application. >> Application 2437. And now ticker 16 North Bever Road, block 542, lot 18, zone B5, preliminary and final
site plan with C D variances for construction of four condo units. >> Mr. O'Neal. >> Yes. Good evening everyone. Joseph O'Neal once again on behalf of the applicant. I have been looking at this lot with the driveway to nowhere
>> for I don't know how long. So here we are now with an application for this development. Looking at the hour I'd like to get right to it and introduce Mr. Miola who will walk us through. Raise your right hand please. You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're
about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth. >> Yes, I do. Thank you, >> Mr. Smeiel. You are under oath. So, I'm going to ask you, didn't you retire at some point? I >> have clients who keep asking me to do one more project. >> You have been you have been before this board many times. Your licenses are
still in order. >> So, I would submit Mr. Miola once again as an expert in civil engineering. >> He's acceptable. Mr. >> Miola, could you walk us through your plans?
[Music] Okay, what we have on sheet one to get everybody oriented the left upper leftand corner is the existing conditions as it is today. And as Joe pointed out, all there are some
driveways that go through here that went out to the street behind it. >> Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. Is that still going to be an exit? >> No. >> So, that's going to be cut off. >> That's That's everything on the property is gone. I mean, the driveway on the
neighbor's property is the neighbor's driveway. It's up to him, but it's not going to go anywhere. He comes in from the other street in the back anyway. >> I was at the property this evening. I was on Ncomomas. >> Yeah. >> Ncomomas has a driveway that goes to
this property. >> Yes. >> On Beverick Road. Is that going to be closed off or is that going to be opened? >> No, it's going to be closed off. It's not part of this project. It's getting >> We're we're not going to take the rest of the driveway out on a comas because the guy in that house may want it.
That's up to him. >> But it's not going to have a cut through anymore. >> Okay. So everything that's on the property that's facing North Riverwick Road will be gone >> with this project, >> the trees, the rocks, whatever. Is that what you're referring to of everything
being gone? Okay. >> Can you identify that map just now? >> I'm sorry. What was that, John? >> Identify the map. >> Yes, we're talking yourself and the >> a site plan done by my office. Revision
number five, February 28th, 2025. which is what everybody should be dealing with. >> Are we holding Is that the last map that you reviewed? >> Yes, it is. >> Oh, yeah. That's the big one.
>> So, all these little ones at the old >> seems. Okay. get rid of. >> And this is it. >> Seems right. >> You said revision five. >> Revision five >> should be revision five. Yes.
>> So it looks like it's 228. Okay. I have I have another question, Miss Neil. Sure. I don't know whether you're the right person to ask this question. >> Um the house on Ncomomas
on this property there is a sign that has the optometrist lane and I think it's Valhalla Records. >> Yeah. and they have 16 Beverwick Road and that's on this
but there's a house in the back of this property. >> Yeah. >> And that's where Dr. Lane I don't know whether he's still an optometrist >> and Valhalla Records have a sign on the door also. >> Is this all going to be connected? Is
that house coming down? So this is the house is a separate property. The house is a totally separate property, but you're absolutely right. They used to come in from Northwick Road through these driveways and mander back there.
That's going to be gone. >> Okay. All right. >> There's no easement or what have you associated with that driveway. Just got built over time. >> That's right. >> Just did it. Just did it. And it's not
any kind of block way property back there. It's got road access right >> on the road behind. So there's no need. >> Yeah. Yeah. They're going to they're going to use the comments. That's what they're going to do. >> Okay. So what do we propose? Okay. In the middle of the upper part of
the page is the layout of what's happening. We're proposing a four-unit townhouse development to the rear. I guess the best way I can describe it, 10 ft off the rear property line that allows for a garage plus
parking in front of the garage and enough room to turn around and come back out to North Dark Road. Now, you coordinated with the township regarding the improvement project along that roadway, right? >> Yeah. >> Yes.
>> And they did what we were asking them to do. >> No, it we we we ran into a problem because we were because Brandon from engineering had called and warned us that they're going to be redoing the improvement projects on North Bell Road.
My client pushed me. We r got a little drawing out for the water and sewer connections. First, they didn't want we were going to put one connection in and then break it off on our they didn't want that. They wanted separate connections. We gave them the separate connections. They
refused to give us permits because they said it's not an approved project. I said, "Well, you know, my client's willing to gamble and he'll spend the money because otherwise we're going to be tearing up a perfectly brand new development road, you know, with all the improvements. So, unfortunately, we're
going to have to go that way, but we tried. We will replace that in time. >> Yep. >> So, go ahead. >> Okay. So, the difference in terms of what's out there now and what shows on
your plan, it will be the result of ripping up what's out there now. Yeah, we'll we'll we'll I'll check the plan and see what we have to modify if anything. Um I believe the PA sidewalk is there yet.
>> Yeah, I think we just got to open the road. >> The >> Yeah, put the curb cut in the right >> No, the streetscape is completed. >> Yeah, >> that's what I was cuz we spoke in January when it was done and I recommended that you reervey to show the re where the where the now existing
sidewalk is and the curb cut. and that's that wasn't provided. So now we really don't know how these improvements are going to work with the current sidewalk because the current sidewalk doesn't meander like that one does and we don't know where the curb
where the where the uh teeth. >> So as a more basic question, do you know if the township's going to prohibit you from doing anything to that sidewalk for a certain period of time? like they have >> pave pave a road and you can't cut it open for 5 years.
>> Yep. I know that. And that's where the fight's going to occur, >> you know, because we tried, you know, and the heard departments wouldn't give us permits. >> Probably the one to be addressing this issue. I don't know who is
>> just wanted to point it out to the board. I know Tom had brought it up, so I wanted to just kind of discuss it here. Mhm. >> So, >> well, obviously you're going to have to wait. I think they said the time. >> You can deal with a plan. >> Uh, take the scenario that the board
approves the plan, >> but you can't build it. >> Yeah. >> At least for a certain period of time. >> Yeah. >> Why would we do that? >> Well, you only get protection for a couple years. And if it's that standard, it can't open the road for 5 years,
which is a common denominator, >> be back here again, right? Well, or we're going to have to ask for extension if we can't get it within the time because I believe we're approved if we get a site plan approval. I'm correct me if I'm wrong. Been a long time since
I had to look it up. We got an approval runs for three years and I believe you can ask for two one-year extensions. That's the way I remember it, but I haven't looked up the rules in a long time. >> Until until the town until we know what the town's actually going to be doing on
it, we we don't have that plan, do we? We don't know what they're going to do for sure. >> Section is completed. But >> no, it's done already. They finished. Yeah. That's why we wanted to get it in. >> Okay. Okay. >> And they're saying that they're saying 5 years you can't open it. But in the case of a hardship. >> Yeah. >> You you
>> that's what we plan to argue to the town. >> Okay. >> It's their prohibition. >> I don't know how that was constructed. I had no invol involvement with it. And if it was CDBG money, which would go to that's the
community development block grant money, >> but >> I don't know whether that was used for that improvement in that location or not. >> But I don't think that that has anything to do with the 5 years. >> No, it might be more.
>> I don't think that's not something that this could address one way or the other. >> I don't think I don't think so. But I don't >> Yeah, I don't >> I agree. We can't address that, but I don't think it is. >> I agree with Mr. >> Okay. I
>> The township has completed that section of Bevlick Road. Your client is willing to take a chance, my terminology, take a chance that you're going to get approval to do a new curb cut on property that
has been completed. >> That's right. Am I understanding that? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Keep going, Mr. Mueller. >> Okay. >> So, we got four units back there, right?
>> Pardon? We're proposing four units. >> Yeah, we're proposing four units. Each will have a garage and parking in front of the garage. Um Mr. Lmano is correct. We don't necessarily need the handicap and the parking spot in the front. we can
eliminate them. Uh, I think it would work. It would be tight, but I think they would work. But, you know, >> I I mentioned the EV, which you don't you only need an EV for five or more units. The handicap I I believe you
>> Yeah. But I I I thought and I'm going to check to research it further, but I believe the handicap can be provided in front of the h like if one of the units becomes a handicap person, that can be their handicap spot and they just designate it. >> Yes, that's correct. >> Because it's a residential
>> the garage becomes the handicap spot. >> Yeah. >> And I was thinking the same thing could probably occur if somebody has an electric vehicle car, they could put the >> connection unit in the garage and then just plug it in. Mhm.
>> Okay. >> And the right hand side is the grading. So, see how everything works. And everything is basically pitching from the back out to the road. We're collecting all the runoff by a pair of dry welds in the front left side, which
will work. It's fine. [Music] Let's talk about the the variances in the back. >> Want to get to the variances. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Let's take the drainage for a bit because right now again we don't know vertically
or horizontally where that new streetscape is. So at some point that drywall is going to over overflow because it only catches the difference in impervious. And the way the plan is set up right now, once the water overflows, it stays in the parking lot.
It doesn't go anywhere. It can't flow out because there there's an elevation higher by the driveway than there is on top of the driveway. >> Is that correct, Mola? The the existing plane does not have the correct elevation of the sidewalk. >> Well, because they because of the
improvement because this we started before they did the improvement. >> Um, and Tom is pointing out that we should update it. Hopefully it didn't change a heck of a lot because there's all driveways over on that side. But you're right, we should double check it just to see if there's any change. I
don't if there's a change, it's going to be minor. But, you know, I don't think there's going to be any major change because otherwise they'd be affecting all the driveways and all those homes and and the the apartment complex to the right of us. You know, that that they're all existing conditions that they got to
work with. >> I I could I could have a little more clarity on that because I think it's important point. So your concern is with the current flow and topography of the land. All right. >> There's a couple things. Number one, the
streetscape sidewalk is wider than the sidewalk that's shown on the plan right now. >> Okay. >> Also, when they do the streetscape, they have to correct slopes on the sidewalk because of ADA and all the other stuff. And that old sidewalk was was all over
the place as far as slopes go. So, we have a we have a vertical issue with where the sidewalk is and then we have a horizontal with how far does that sidewalk now go into the site because there's already going to be there's already a non-conforming aisle width. It's supposed to be 25. It scales to about 19
and you know if that sidewalk is farther into the property then that's even less space for new >> and it is now and then what the town has completed >> the town completed it like like December or January. >> Yeah. So it is wider. >> I will >> I will get out there and locate it.
>> If you take the proposed stop the the EV and the handicap out like he said. >> Yes. >> Then that should suffice that wider sidewalk. >> It'll help. Yeah. But what I'm saying is you're still you still have issues with getting in and out of that property. the
the issue the main issue in my mind with widening the sidewalk is that the property line for Northwick Road is almost the curb line that was there. So the existing sidewalk was on our property without any easement. If they
widened it, they even went further on this property without any permission. >> Okay. And there's no e there's no current survey that shows the post sidewalk improvement. No, I I have to go out and I'll locate. Now I understand
what Tom was driving at. I I'll go out and have the crew relocate what's in the front just to make sure that >> Mr. I don't want to be insulting to you, but there's a lot of things that I'm hearing from you that you have to recheck. You're presenting something to us, but
yet every time our engineer is asking a question, you're saying you have to go back and check. Does your plan have to be changed due to Mile Lammanoitz's questions? >> I I would not think I The only issue we're talking about is the changes with
the reconstruction of North Beverick Road. That's the difference. >> But he's also referencing the parking issue trying to get into these units. >> Yeah, that that that is a difference in opinion. I think they would have worked
originally what we had even with the parking spot, but without the parking spot they'll work better. >> Okay. >> When you say work better, the car is going to back into South Bever Road and >> No, there's enough room to turn around
on. >> He said that. >> He said turn around. Madam Chair, could I just have a moment with my witness? >> Surely, please >> from the garage, >> Miss Viola, you would like some time to
talk with you. [Music] It's going to be very >> excuse me >> there's there handicap and handicapp but but we don't know
>> right let's see we don't know the side up here the crew don't I don't know. Who knows? >> I don't know what that is. >> Robert. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> Took the sidewalk to crash.
[Music] [Music] Okay. Thank you very much. Uh, Madam Chair and members of the board, with your permission, I would like to uh ask Mr. Miola to re-examine the existing conditions on the site and
come back and testify maybe at another meeting >> as to what those conditions are. And with your permission, I'd just like to put up our architect to go through what it is we're proposing in this units themselves to get your impressions of that. >> Okay, I agree.
>> Thank you. [Music] on the rear end. You know what is the how many feet coming up? >> It's under 314.9 if I remember correctly.
[Music] You >> swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Yes. >> State your name by your last name. >> Uh my name is Jonathan Babula, BAB ULA. I'm a licensed architect in New Jersey.
Uh my uh my license is current and in good standing and I've been practicing architecture for about uh 20 years now and I have testified before this board uh before and about 20 other boards throughout uh North New Jersey.
>> Why don't you walk us through what the uh applicant is actually proposing here for the units? Give the board a little flavor of that. >> Sure. Um, so I'm going to start with the uh the first floor plan uh which is sheet page A2.1.
And what we are proposing is uh four uh identical townhouse units uh which are side by side to each other. They are two stories with the basement. Um when you walk in the front door, you have a two-story foyer with a stairs to the
left to the second floor. uh a coat closet towards the back of that foyer area that leads into a kind of transition mudroom area that gives you access to the onecar garage and a powder room to the left as well as the stairs down to the basement. Uh beyond that,
you have an open concept between the family room and kitchen in the in the rear. And you also have um access to the backyard here. >> You said these were on a slab or there is a basement. >> There is a basement. It will be a full basement. You say access to the
backyard. >> Mhm. >> There is a backyard. >> Uh well, it's there's only 10 ft back there, so it's very minimal, but there there is access there. >> Thanks. >> Yes.
[Music] >> On the uh second floor, as you come up the stairs, you have a L-shaped hallway. In the front, we have the uh primary bedroom with the walk-in closet and priv private bathroom on the right side. Uh there's a whole bathroom to the left and
then two uh identical bedrooms uh in the rear with closets. >> How many bedrooms in each one of these? >> I'm sorry. >> How many how many bedrooms? >> Oh, it's a total of three bedrooms. >> Uh going back to sheet A2.0, this is the uh the basement plan which is going to
contain the utilities and the washer and dryer. Are there any exits from the basement? >> No, there's not. Just the stairs that lead up to the foyer. [Music] >> And then we turn into sheet A 1.0, the
front elevation. Um, as you can see, we have uh some peaks uh to give us some architecture or character. Uh some overhangs again to give it some uh character and not make a flat facade. And um we are going to use bat and board
siding, vertical bat and board siding, a mixture of metal roofing and asphalt shingles. >> What's the date of that plan? >> Uh 111924. >> I'm looking at the sheet that we have and it doesn't have that dormer in the middle and it looks like the front
elevation that we have is slightly different. >> Yeah, it is. What is the date on those plans? >> These are 111924 and there's no revision here. Yeah, we have is totally different. >> We can submit this as an exhibit then. >> I just want to make sure that
>> market is A1. >> This dormer here in the attic that is just for character just to break up the facade of the um the roof line here. >> That's the only change from this, right? There's no >> Yeah. Um >> there's no access to it. No, I mean each unit will have their own pull down
stairs for storage in the attic, but this is it's not going to be for any living living space or anything like that. >> Are these going to be rental or for sale? >> Uh, >> that's to be determined. >> Yeah. >> Where's the HBAC units?
>> The one is going to be in the basement and usually if it's two zones, one will be in the basement and one will be in the attic space. >> No outside unit. >> Where's the compressor going to be? Uh the compressors will be I guess in the back. >> You guess.
>> Yeah. I don't know if it's on the uh site plan or not or um if it's not 10 ft on the revised plan dated February 24th to the rear yard. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. Just about 10 ft. Yes. >> Is it I'm going to look at the uh engineer. >> That's more a question for Mr. Miola. >> Yeah. >> Oh, sorry. You're going to come back up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, he's really not going to be able to answer that.
>> Okay. >> It'll be kind of a revised submission because he's going to drop the ADA and the EV space. >> Yeah. He's going to realign the side the sidewalk and we're going to take a look at that specific question. >> See what happens with the elevation.
>> Is it going to be gas heat? >> Yes, it'll be gas heat. Well, you you need a rear yard variance as >> we will need a rear yard variance regardless. >> Yeah, I just don't want >> you may need more of a rear yard variance depending on where those compressors go, >> right?
>> Well, >> accessories. >> The the board is >> accessory as a variance. >> Hundreds of them. >> Yes, I've gain a little flavor for that
today. Most I don't think it's going to change. >> No, we'll we'll call it out and we'll get whatever is necessary. >> The only place to put them is the rear yard, right? >> Well, we could figure out something if you want to do something roof. I don't think that's going to be appropriate,
>> but I don't know. >> What is the sideyard to that structure? Do you know >> or is that a plan? >> That's more That's more of Yeah. >> Is it right on the property line? >> It's very close. I there's >> no sideyard.
>> I think the sideyard's about 3 and 1/2 ft. >> Yeah. >> Three and a half foot sideyards. >> Is there special construction involved with that wall or not? >> Yeah, these walls are required to be fire rated walls and that's why there's no windows there either. So, it um
that's also a building code requirement. How far do they have to be away from the property line to have administration on windows? >> Uh 5 ft it gives you a certain percentage of openings and then 10 ft you're allowed as much as you want. I
believe >> those walls, those rear walls are along bedrooms. >> Uh these >> bedrooms are on the outside walls. >> Yes. Yes. So, they'll have a front window and a >> Yes. And then, uh, these windows in the
back are for the the rear bedrooms. >> So, the end units don't get any better light in the air than the interior units. >> No, >> they're all the same. >> Correct. >> Mr. Chadwick, I don't want to put you or Mr. Mana's on the spot here tonight, but since we're going to adjourn this
hearing, perhaps we can arrange some kind of meeting with the professionals to go over these plans in some detail. >> Sounds like a great idea. >> Mhm. >> That is a good idea. >> Sounds wonderful to me. >> I don't have anything else to do. I
>> can't help you with that. [Music] >> Thank you, sir. I don't have any further questions for this witness at that time. >> I assume you're going to bring both of these witnesses. >> Everyone's coming back. >> Everyone's coming back. >> When
>> do you are you done for tonight? >> I believe we are done. >> Okay. >> Like to Cali, >> please. >> Okay. So, I believe there may be members of the audience here that are interested in this application. Just so you know, this application is not complete. They
are both of these witnesses are going to complete their testimony at a later date at which point they will be available to answer any questions members of the audience may have. May >> I have a question? >> Please to be notified, >> sir.
>> We're going to tell you the new date in a in a few minutes. >> Okay. >> And then you'll be able to ask any questions that you have. Probably going to need more people that time. I appreciate it. Thank you. date
>> December 3rd or 10th. Which do you feel? >> December 3rd or 10th maybe? >> September. >> December 3rd. >> December 3rd or >> 123. >> Yeah. I'm sorry. >> December 3rd, I believe. Total. >> Yeah. >> Yes.
Okay. >> So, I'd ask that this matter be carried >> to December 3rd without further notice and I will give all necessary extensions through the end of December. >> Okay. >> So, >> we have second.
>> All in favor? >> I >> I >> and maybe submit the most recent architectural plans in the meantime. >> I've already got that revised uh >> plans. Maybe you want to have a get together with Tom and myself and whatever other
people you want to bring along >> before we start meeting revisions. >> We appreciate that very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> We'll set that up. >> Mr. Chairwoman, I think we want to the gentleman had a question.
>> Did you hear Did you hear Did you hear the new date? >> December 3rd. >> December 3rd. >> Anytime or >> No, no. 7:30 right here mean >> you want to come up please sir. Sir,
>> may we have your name and address please? >> Absolutely. Gustavo Mora 10 Nocomis Avenue. Last name is M O R E I R A. Uh my question is on December 3rd at 7:30. You think uh this will be the first party today because you know we went
into >> we have we have no way of knowing that. It depends on the agenda. be here till 10:00. We don't work after 10. >> Little residentials are going to go first. >> Okay. >> Always how fast they went. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you, sir. >> Most. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All in favor. >> Thank you for coming. >> Have a good night, everybody. Good night. Thanks for having us.