okay all right we're on record good evening and welcome to the meeting of the township of pany Troy Hills Board of adjustment it is Wednesday March 5th 2025 and it is 7:30 p.m. announcement is made that adequate notice of this
meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with njsa Tango and 4-6 at set of the New Jersey open public meetings act for now have our roll call
hi uh Mr burtz here m d here Mr josowitz here Mr masella here Mr willings here chair chairwoman grani here we have our board planner Mr Chadwick our board engineer Mr Lano and our board attorney
Mr Johnson here would you please stand and join us in the Pledge of Allegiance i al to the FL of the United States of America to the indivisible
for you raise your right hand please from any testimony that did tonight the whole truth nothing but the truth yes raise your right hand pleas SAR affirm that testimony tonight should be the truth the whole truth another yes thank you is there anyone here this evening
that has anything other than what is on our agenda this evening Sena we're GNA we're going to move on to resolution uh application uh 2468 uh
yela n min haha and uh application 2464 Mary Le leneski um both for both applications uh we have burwitz deos josz mozzarella and grani someone like to make a motion
motion second all Berkowitz yes CR got to step out second oh okay uh jtz yes mozzarella yes
grani yes uh for our next resolution um application 2455 Bender for Parkside Drive this is a resolution for approval of dismissal of the application for failure to to appear
mve second please uh other then somebody else has to make a motion burwitz deos Petty Quinn Petty's not here Quinn's not here and Gran can't make the motion no I'll move
the motion move the [Music] resolution uh only two others uh bani would be the second uh Misty cr's we'll come back to this
one last one uh application in 2204 n kazala dwala 130 Troy Road same problem right okay correct so we'll wait on those yes good can't go into the applications we
have to we move to the first application if you want you want to make sure we come back to those y all right okay uh application 2480 Julia and Robert Peterson 25 Old
parcion Road Block 226 Lot 2 Zone r o for a c variance to construct a 98 square foot Edition Miss Peterson [Music] can you raise your right hand please do you swear orir the testimony that you're
about to give shall be the truth the whole truth you can sit down just make sure you use the microphone okay I understand that you want to put a bathroom in right yeah we my husband has Parkinson's disease and he can't get up the stairs anymore we have a stair
climber but he can't even use that so we need to have a bathroom downstairs and we just have a little La so so it would be really nice if we could take a shower without struggling into the stair climber and the stairs and you need a variance because of the Zone yeah
correct yeah well we yes that's correct it's a it's a pretty small addition and we have um our property is controlled by the New Jersey start trust um we have a letter from the executive who gives us
permission to do this to the back of the house and I don't know what plan see so I mean I I have the full plan here I have a picture that'll see you have it we good okay all right are there any questions from the board on this
application no I see none is there anything else you want to say well I when I said oh no there isn't I'm fine with that unless you have other questions about it I think this is uh about as di
Minimus in nature as could be and it's a medical necessity so I'll be voting for it thank you application 24 col 80 Julia and Robert Peterson 25 Old Pary road block 226 Lot 2 Zone r o recommend granting a
c variant to construct a 98t Edition second burwitz yes yes Jos matella yes willand y grani yes okay thank you lots of luck thank you very much and we wait
until you make you and then you can come in for your your we're very grateful they'll probably adopt the resolution at the next we okay which is in two weeks great Nora would you like to go back please to the uh resolutions yes so
application 2455 vender for Parkside Drive uh we have burwitz de and grani some second Burt T grani yes yes yes yes yes okay sorry
about that and then application 2204 nul kazad dalla 130 Troy same people yes yes second yes burwitz yes bring yes okay
cool okay application 24 colon 770 Andrew and Janine Schwarz 241 Reynolds Avenue block 757 lot 3 Zone R3 for a c variance to construct an open
Deck with stairs shed on pair generator on pad walks Pao under proposed deck retaining wall under proposed deck and legalize a driveway contrary to section
430-10 SE 43035 column 13 and this application was carried from the February 2012 25 can you raise your right hands please you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth the whole truth and nothing but
the truth can you st your names and spell your last name starting with you sir Andrew Schwarz last name is s SW a r TZ and hi I'm jamine Schwartz last name s SW TZ great thank you just make sure you're speak into the microphone okay
yeah so what is it that you'd like to do so when we bought our house we envisioned raising a family within this town and we're loving the town so far we live on a semi-main road so we're trying maximize our backyard so that our daughter can run out and play there in
expanding the deck and baking up in lower level it allows us to maximize the space so that she can have adequate outside space to run around not you know basically feel that she can run into the street and you know it's just the other
stuff on the application was just more well you're filing for this and we don't want have to go through this again so just add it in [Music] did you meet with the engineer to discuss your drainage yes the result of that I'll see a report is there a report
nor I do not have can you tell us what took place he told us to talk with a landscaper about having a c pitch tank so that it recharges the extra water outflow ATT into the ground are you okay with that yes that was the reason we
didn't go a whole bunch that night problem okay address are there any other testimony you would like to give I just want to ask so the driveway is existing is that correct okay and it was there when you
bought the house yes okay and you're needing to legalize it for tell me more about that for a minute it's too close to the line it's it's a Crossman on the line is he answer yes surve it's on the
it's on the easement of the SE okay and the neighbors haven't had any opposition to that or any comments okay thank you is there anything else you would like to add are there any questions from the board
no questions from the audience in regard to this application and the test testimony that has been given only I see none would someone like to uh frame a resolution please I think they're raising their family they want to make it better for their daughter growing up
in the neighborhood and uh nice to have a generator for sure in this neck of the woods uh and I think I'll be voting in favor of this uh recommendation approval application 24 col 70 Andrew and Jan
241 Reynolds Avenue block 757 lot 3 Zone R-3 recommend granting a c variant to construct an open Deck with stairs shed unpair generator unpaired walks patio under proposed deck retaining wall under proposed deck and legalize a driveway
contrary to section 430-10 I sections 43035 column 13 with an agreement to uh do a seage pit according to the town engineer is that fair I will include that in the resolution
okay second burck yes jwood yes mozarella yes uh I apologize uh willings yes grani
yes ski somebody Mr I thought your PR yes application is approved you will be receiving a letter and at that time you can apply to your uh zoning permits thank you very much within the next meeting we
will put the resolution through lots of Lu lots of thank you okay that works application 2430 hakeim amadi 438 old DOA Road Block
14 Lot 24 Zone R1 for a c variance to construct a twostory Edition roofed porch entranceway open deck front walk driveway and rear landing and stairs
contrary to section 43035 column 4 front yard old do and Union Hill roads can you raise your right hands please just wear or firm the testimony that you about to give be treat
nothing state your name spell your last name starting with you uh n amadi uh last name is a h m a d i can you spell your first name for me please n a r g s thank you you sir and your first name is spelled h a k
i right great thank you tell us what you'd want to do well excuse me can you speak in to speak a little closer to microphone complete you know this how you have to destroy you know you can use it it's not usable
I Tred to put a little bit addition because the build already the first floor is B already I try to make the same thing in the second floor because the the the second floor all the room is [Music]
small so you said you bought the house and you couldn't use it is that what you're saying yes yeah it's it's not usable I'll do we have to renovate the whole thing yeah so you're you're not living in the home at the present time no not no um you did meet with your neighbor on
not your neighbor but the town engineer to discuss the drainage issue we he didn't send all the application you know to for the neighborhood no report we don't have the
report I've got a for February 14 25 anybody else have I don't I don't [Music] okay I'm sorry it talks about what he
did in terms of reviewing the property he implies that you were with him when he walk the back of the property the engineer met with you at the property you were with
him no did you know meet a guy named Paul nework no did anybody from your family meet from the engineering office so you don't know of any interaction between your family oh wait a minute he was he was at
the neighbor's property that's making the complaint no no no that's the read the wrong that's a different application I wonder why you had some how we doing Lou no no we're doing
on this man never makes a mistake Bill do you have a report on it there was no report he was he was looking at the WR okay okay let me see if I understand you bought a house you bought a house but you can't you thought you could live in it now you can't live in it so you g
to redo the whole house okay and we have no engineering report on file right right are you going to demolish the existing house or just renovate it renovate adding an extension
to from the first floor and the second floor so there is a second floor now yes and you're just going to do what just um extend it a little bit over so are you just building up to cover more of the first floor so that it's like a two
twostory solid dwelling yes okay you're not footprint floor we're adding an extension a little bit to first floor and then we're going to go up um the same amount we don't put any extension you know we got already back in back of the
back of the house we make extension how many square feet are you going to wind up with [Music] looks very dominous in here you're going to be having there's no Arc conceptual plans
here no Aral and it's just one family living in the house it will be one family one kitchen yeah yeah um okay so do you know where it would be what variances are we trying to approve
do you do you have any plans on the on the house that's there now I mean the plans here show proposed building what's the existing one to look like because you say you're expanding it and just for the board's information it's showing a 23.8 ft setback that's to the property
line in the center of the road because it's an old probably an old deed right and the property line is a center line so if that property had the normal if that road old Union Hill Road uh if it had a 50ft RightWay which
is common the house would be in the right away okay that's so what are we needing to approve here because yeah what's the variance for it the the existing and the allowed are withinin the within what they're
dealing with here so I'm not I'm not sure what we need to be approving here on variances there's two VAR FR yard I'm sorry there's two variances that they need for front yard setbacks on old do Road and Union Hill Road that are
apparently not being exacerbated by this proposed plan they're already there they're already there there existing non-conforming right but because they're making improvements they
need variances to legalize make their improvements not expanding the noncon they're not expanding their existing nonconformity but they still need variances to do their construction okay I guess what's
confusing me is that on the survey it doesn't really show where the existing building is it just shows the proposed building those two it's kind of one and the same that's the same thing it's one of the
same only to be to the back if you look at the proposed site plan the first page they've got grade areas a little bit confusing yeah they have grade grade areas in the plan that point to new deck new driveway so the white part of the
proposed building is there now yeah that appears to be the case okay and this thing to the left that looks like a I don't know if it's a drawing or what that's a setback L it's like a it's like a w rectangle
with wavy lines correct that seems to be showing the 23.8 Ft setback from as Mr L man would said the center line of the roadway are the waving lines bushes or trees I think that's just an indication of that particular condition yeah they
did that on two of the setbacks yeah I think they maybe it was intended by the engineer to draw attention to those two setback areas okay at 23.8 but as Mr L maner was pointed out if you look at the corner of the house closest
to the edge of Union Hill Road that Dimension isn't shown but it seems to be pretty close to the edge of Union Hill Road that's existing that's existing you're not making any changes
to you know the corner you have the plans in front of you yes you're not making any changes to the footprint we see it you're going up but not that the corner of your house if you look at the plan the first page of the plan the corner you have that tell me
when you have that in front of you [Music] yeah when you say you're going to renovate the house does that mean you're going to take it down to the foundation you going to fix what's there yeah we're going to fix with there and then put the decks on the back we're
going to just extend a little bit and then go up what is it a one story now or it's a two story it's a two story so you're going to renovate a twostory and add on to the back all right this one you add so the corner of your house uhhuh
that is closest to Union Hill Road Okay it's 3 to 4 ft that's 23.8 ft from the centrer line of Union Hill Road that corner you're not doing anything on that corner right no anything and you're not changing anything to the front of the
house that is adjacent to old do Road correct you're not you're not making that 12.6 feet a littleit know that try to raise it you know make it with second flow the work that you're doing is if you're facing your if you're on Old over
Road and you're looking at your house the work that you're proposing is on the right side of the house house is that right okay you're not doing any work on the front of old do Road and you're not doing any work on the corner that's closest to Union Hill Road is that right
this corner and that corner is already two stories yes sir any other questions from the board is there anyone in the public who would like to ask questions of this witness on their testimony see
[Music] is there anyone in the public who would like to speak in support of this application I see none board member would you please me or in opposition thank you of
this application would someone like to frame resolution please uh I think it's a dominous request you're not really changing any of facts on the ground they're adding a little bit in an area that it's not a
big deal uh they're making it a more habitable living space so I will be voting for it application 24 col 30 hakee Amani 438 alova Road Block 14 Lot 24 Zone R1
recommend granting a sea variance to construct the two-story Edition roof porch entranceway open deck front walk driveway and rear landing and stairs contract section 43035 column 4 front yard of old over
and Union Hill roads second bur yes J yes mozarella yes yes willing yes bani yes application is approved you will be receiving a
notice and it may come in with your permits when you receive okay thank you lots of luck thanks a [Music] lot application 24 colon 48 Dave and Tess Lewis 30 Battle Ridge Road Block
15.7 lot 11 Zone r- 1 m c variants to Legal legalize a basketball court shed steps deck and stairs and Patio Contra contrary to section
430-3500 d10 C and 430-10 L this application was carried from the December 18th 2024 date can you raise your right hand please just SAR or affirm that the testimony
that you give tonight should be the truth hold to itself have you seen the township Engineers report correct you met with the township two of them yes um do you have any comments about that Township
Engineers report No I um what he explained to me was that they cannot force me to do any repairs because then they accept like if it doesn't work then they accept the burden um but I said that I
would do it anyway that doesn't what he said was they can make you suggestions but that they can't force you to do it because if it doesn't work then the town has to you know it cost me money to do it and then they
can't force me to do a second thing is what he said but I said that I would do it anyway so my when it comes to What specifically he suggested that I put what is called a burm um is this for water control yeah okay and you were your neighbors getting
it what was there water coming from your property under your neighbor property I I think it happened once um and uh you know so we are willing to do it you know do you have I called already my landscaper they just can't do the work
work in the winter but I already do you have any you don't have any actual plans from a landscape or engineer or anything like that correct I I don't no they it's a bur that you build like a kind of like there's two things that's what he
suggested I do so that's what we will do his letter said you going to build a Swale and a BM Well he suggested a BM he said or BM the letter may this may be accomplished
with a Swale and verm but it's it's weird how he phrases this yeah CU normally he'll say this is the conclusion he's leaving it to her or not let's read let's read the whole paragraph so make sure you understand
what his recommendation okay so you have this letter correct the February 14th 2025 he says our recommendation is that 30 Battle Ridge direct the runoff water from the rear yard away from 34 Battle
Ridge to Battle Ridge Road corre this may be accomplished with a Swale and burm adjacent I think he meant to the property line between 30 and 34 Battle Ridge the ultimate solution must be determined by the homeowners of 30
Battle Ridge which is you and their professional correct okay so after you received this did you consult with any kind of landscape architect or engineer or anything like that not an engineer my landscape okay so and he said as soon as the weather is good we can do it both a
Swale and a BM Well so you know where a Swale is SW whatever yeah whatever has to be done he's got to do it so yeah well but we're going to we're going to if we approve this it's going to be on a condition that you're going to do a
swell an a burm corre just so that be done whatever we deci and he also mentioned like a mini retaining wall okay which I can also do uh around the tree but um what do you call it it's
hard like when the landscapers came we had a lot of snow yeah and you know whatever so it's something that has to be determined in the spring but we will do we Mr Johnson how would we phrase that right you know but again like I if I can just throw something out there I
mean for us up here would we be more apt to say yes to this if we saw the plan I don't think I need to see it but I would just need to know what the fix is so that if we approve that that when the inspection was done or whatever that
they did what we asked to have done they done I'm happy to come back and bring it um when it's done well it wouldn't be us I'm reading this that they have to do both right the SW funny that you guys are saying that I
have to because he was very specific in explaining to me that they that is all up to me but I said look I don't want issues with my neighbor right if this is what I can do to help it I will do it so it is a weird thing said that he said
that if I spend the money and the coners say oh I'm still getting water then the township absorbs the issue let me explain what your application is reply to legalize that you constructed on the
site without obing previous approvals to do so you that's what you've asked this board to approve if the board doesn't approve that then those conditions are in violation and you may be required to remove them correct okay correct so one
of the things that the township engineer suggested okay is to make certain changes to your which I will do I to do it to avoid the what appears to be a water runoff so you're here because your neighbor filed a complaint that water is
coming from your property under their that's why you're here corre so the the landscaper came out and suggested if you put a burm and and river or ditch that that'll solve the problem y okay I think
what we're saying now if that doesn't solve the problem okay where do we go where do you go from that we and we can't approve something I think our engineer wants um just a reading through this and and understanding what I think the
engineer is trying to say is that the engineer the township engineer cannot officially design something for you because it's the town engineer who R who would be reviewing such a design so he can't design it and review it right so what he's saying in his last paragraph
is that you've got to find a professional and when he and you say landscape architect it's not a landscaper it's a landscape architect it's a licensed professional okay or an engineer to design the drainage system for the engineering department to
review well he didn't say that well he have to bring it back and have it reviewed but he's I said I would do the job yeah because again it said the ult solution must be determined by the homeowners and their professional so you have to hire someone to to to put on paper the resolution of what they what
what your professional is proposing and then that would be reviewed he isn't saying in his report that he has to review it subject to his approval well I guess it depends how much disturbance there is if he's going to trigger a per I think we need to know your landscaper
do you know if he's a licensed landscape architect sure he's not a landscape architect I mean he LNS Landscaping I've been using him for years so Cuts your grass so he cuts your grass my he does all my planting he does all the trees you know did he did he put any of
the concrete or papers no that concrete was done by Mossberg 30 years ago okay well I agree with Tom you when he says in they're professional Landscape Architects can design BMS and swes and
know what they're doing okay a guy who's triming trees and cutting grass that's a different different skill so you're you're required to provide a solution to the problem okay and what was suggest here is your
landscaper might not be what he's proposing will provide a solution to the problem so you still have the problem okay so we can't approve something might still the problem unless you have a licensed landscape architect that says my plan will Abate that
problem I mean you should that like that you wanted me to bring something well I I think that's research that you would do with the engineering department and with your professional that you would hire it's not up to us to tell so
what I'm trying to get you have H and then bring the plants here not an AR a landscape difference and he has to and he has to draw up the plans and he's got to show the mitigation and he's got to
show the runoff where it's going to go how it's going to go where it will not disturb your prop the property owners I'm just trying to explain because like I said when I talked to Paul uh n then the other guy the other guy said I didn't have to do anything
Paul came and said look this is what I suggest but I can't force you to do it well you're say that I need that and I'm listen I'm happy to do whatever has to be done well like in my opinion no what I'm trying to get at is look that basketball court obviously I'm not even
using it my children are now the youngest is 30 he was done when my kid almost got killed by one of mossberg's trucks so he helped me do this he so me a house without even a sliding door in the back the Pao has been there like I'm just trying because my neighbors
reported me I you know I'm trying to make it legal well what we're asking now is that you hire so then that's a lands aring and he does the drawings okay and then you have to come back and show us after this surgery I would have wished I would have known because I would have
punked it until I had would it be better you know have you thought about taking the basketball court out it's the way it looks it looks like it's breaking up it's cracking part that might not solve the
problem anyway want to go through that first of all when that was done nobody had fences now everybody has fences around so there's no machine that can get there well they can take a fence down you know they can take a fence down and go in because I live in an area
that's all fences and and they go in they take it like like the houses are I know Ridge that you you can get someone in there take it down of anything can be done I can take the house that's that's true I'm I think part part of your issue
here you want the opportunity to come back with an actual plan is that correct okay you're asking the board to carry the matter so that you can come back with a plan correct hold on is there anyone in the public who would
like to ask questions of this witness can I can I ask a question first of this witness no of you do I need to recuse myself from this I don't think buil by yes we're talking years ago no we're talking years
ago okay just want the same goes for me probably sold it is there anyone in the audience that is in opposition to this application please come forward before we carry on I mean I don't know counselor but if she has to
come back we're not going to take any V so well I believe this is an attorney for the neighbor okay okay and do you want to identify yourself for the record good evening can everyone hear me okay fine good I'm Kate coffee from day
Pitney and I am here on behalf of the pinch which are the neighbor that are being impacted by the runoff um and we appreciate everybody's time as the board knows in this case the improvements that were installed without permit or approval result in impervious coverage almost double the standard well it more
than double the standard that's permitted in the town you have a 20% in perious coverage uh standard and they're at over 40% in perious coverage it is a runoff problem we do appreciate the board requiring that plans be put in place to solve the drainage problem that
are prepared by a professional either a licensed landscape architect or a licensed engineer and our only request would be that they be done um quickly um because the drainage problem is ongoing we're having rain right now so we wouldn't want it to be dragged out for too long okay but you want to reserve
your questions and it probably makes sense until we see the plan to work off of it yeah thank you Nora may we have a date please yeah my earliest is May 21st okay at that time May 21st um Madam
chairman would the plant be required to be submitted 10 days in advance in accordance with Municipal land use law so that we have a chance to review them yes do you understand that you have to get the pl submitted to the board secretary 10 days before that meeting okay run away is
this is this a new owner or is this that's an original owner too m next okay so you know I think what we're saying here if this would come to us for approval to start with it wouldn't have been approved because way in excess of
approv cover you're already already saying you're you're not using the basketball court that the impervious coverage of the basketball court we wouldn't that wouldn't have been approved okay so you're already saying they're not using the basketball court anymore right
that's if the basketball court was gone okay and you had a little burm in there you probably would have no issue okay so maybe when you're talking to your landscape car protect you can talk about doing that it's well to remove a lot of the impervious coverage that you're not using anyway as a basketball cour can
break up might make your yard a lot nicer too my my suggest I don't know if I do that that okay I I agree I agree with you your okay that might be a good thing for you thank you we're carried to May 21st
if anybody move that be no further notic application 2471 Camille mot 318 Hy road block 3113 Lot 4 Zone R4 for a c variant to
construct a new twostory single family dwelling with attached garage and roof for porch front porch entranceway contrary to section 43035 columns 2 310 and 13 Mr Malik yes
your right hand please do you swear air that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes St your name last name my name come on my last name m you please speak excuse me could you please speak closer to the micophone yeah sure my first name is Kam k m my
last name is m m okay and you have a witness with you here today uh this is Nel it's going to be can you raise your right hand please you swear our affirm the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth the hold to about the truth yes I do can you state your name spell your last name
yeah first name nul last name kasala nul n a k l last name Kasa k a s a d w a l a okay want to start with telling the board what you'd like to do I have a question sure
um we have an applica a letter here from June 7th 2023 in regard to a 769 square foot twostory single family dwelling and a 32 squ ft on story
covered porch entranceway did you build that that at that time or you haven't built anything no I haven't built so we're I haven't starting from the beginning now yeah I purchased the property um probably around 10 years ago I think maybe okay 8 nine years ago um
and then we demoed the the existing property that was there and um due to work circumstances and stuff I had to move to Washington DC so I live in Washington DC now um and I haven't done anything with that particular property um and now we we will like
build on it please tell us what you'd like to do um so you know Knuck explain if that's okay cuz he's the he's the contractor okay please right uh so I'm the contract purchaser here thanks for
the time today uh the owner has a censes so he's not building that property it is 40 by 100 lot uh which is non-compliance in a way uh non-conforming and uh we are planning to build a two two story
coloni house there and uh just now the house is demolished so uh and the existing Foundation is there so what we are proposing is the new house there with the New Foundation there and uh just now uh it's an iore
site which will be we are going to convert it to the two story house as such so uh there's a plan and everything is with you uh for that so so it's a very similar things we have studied in the town has happened so we are proposing the very near to the similar
things which has happened in the past on the 40 by 100 lot and that's the proposal so we are converting that lot which is just with the foundation and nothing into the beautiful house you're not going to Ser with the old Foundation you're going to take that
out yeah I'm going to take that out and we are going to build a new Foundation there and the on the left side of the property when we uh face the property there is a lot there uh which is we approach them but uh uh they are not
buzzing on selling the property as such which is has extra land to the east side of the property or standing in the street to the left side yeah so when we Face the home uh on the left what size L
is that that uh the lot is bigger it's almost 7500 ft lot if I remember correctly 75 by 100 no 75 maybe something like that the total area is 7500 [Music] ft who's going to live in the house
sorry who's going to live in the house are you living or you building a speck house I'm building the speck house in a way okay this is the OWN owner of the property I you to build a spec house yes okay and you knocked down a house not the one that you were approved for
you're knocked down the old house because you never did the one you approved for correct correct correct we knocked down the old house [Music] okay why have you changed your mind from the approval in hand to this proposal in
terms of the um the actual layout of the home you mean the actual I mean the this one's a little bigger than what you got approval for correct yeah so about how much bigger sorry how much bigger uh I don't know exactly how much bigger but
the other one didn't didn't have a a garage this one has a has a has a garage uh we just felt that it's better for the for that neighborhood to put a garage in the on the you know on the home um and then knuckle is more familiar with this with this area than I am is a you Rec
call how many square feet is the house so this will be U the house is building I believe it's 4,000 ft no no lot is 4,000 ft not the house the lot is 4,000 the lot excuse me I apologize the lot will be
1228 yeah so footprint will be 12200 Square ft and the liveable area will be somewhere around 2100 ft 2,00 to 2100 living space yeah in the two two story and the homes that are near your
proposed building um are they similar two story yes uh on the uh right all the uh it's the B level two story only on the right side and opposite side also is a similar story and if you go to the all the
street in the farming Dell or the uh flamington is the similar houses are there two story so house will match the characteristic of the neighborhood as such what are you proposing in terms of taking care of rainwater I
rain water how are you proposing to deal with that so uh engineer I'm pretty sure he's going to ask us to put the drive and uh uh this way uh we will take care of it if there is a storm water connection feasible uh which is I don't think so because it's on the other side
uh it's once property away uh we'll connect the drial to the uh storm water also but it doesn't look visible but Engineers are the right people to answer all those questions so engine once it is approved engineer will make a full plan for the storm water management and we comply with that but you don't know at this point
you don't know what that's going to entail it will be drial I'm pretty sure about that that's the way it works here but you haven't designed that no for not for this approval but uh once the approval is there we submit it to the engineering department and uh we'll
follow the process there so would you so if we decided that we we wanted to approve this you would accept on the contingency of you agreeing to whatever the comes up with yes I do
yeah have a basement yeah it will have a basement that's the reason we are removing the existing old Foundation also it doesn't make sense using that mam chair I have a question um the architectural plans say that the average grade is
315 okay okay there's no topography how does that number how is that number determined [Music] let me check I think there was a topography was done by the engineer okay I I only have the M Razo Plan and there's no phography on it at all um I
have that in phone uh not here but the topography was done and I can submit you that plan signed and sealed by the Mr mat Roa the engineer he has done the survey and the topography after that it was put on the architecture plan okay the other question is you've got there's
a the chart says that the front yard setback is 29.5 but that Dimensions not to the nearest part of the building to the house to the street rather it's to the main part there's an overhang and there's a front por so that
29.5 is not your setback I beg your pardon can you repeat your question I'm trying to understand it you have on the plan the front yard setback at 29.5 ft but that's measured to the first floor wall
the Second Story overhang is closer to the street so that that 29.5 is not your front yard setback and you're also your front porch looks like it's covered so really the front yard setback is to the covered porch not to the house it doesn't it
doesn't look like it's hard to tell if that going to be an issue with the porch but that that 29.5 is not the correct setback makes sense we I'll ask so looks like a mistake on the engineering side if you if you see the diagram we are within the setback for the front porch
also so that will change from uh you're absolutely right from 29.5 to 25.5 because the front porch is 4T what is the dimension of the front porch is a 4T wide and the width is the half of the St I'll try to find it but
it's the Deep by 4T so in the engineering plan uh they have shown the uh setback line the house is within the setback back line so we are not encroaching in the front uh setback so even if the front yard setback was
accurately measured you would not need a variance exactly thank you for bringing out that point it's a mistake on the engineer side so looking at the plans it say for the basement it just says basement is it going to be a finished basement what kind of rooms are going to be down there
unfinished there is nothing is there in that it's purely unfinished BAS any other questions from the board is there a house on either side of here so uh when I face this property on right side there is a house which is a a two
story B level on the left side there is a land and next to that there is again a two-story house did you try and see if you could purchase any of that land I did try that but the owner of that he don't want to sell it anything because it's like he don't want to sell the land neither he
wants to pass on some land to me you know how big that part so is it's approx 7500 Square ft and you wouldn't give you any of it no okay I tried that I studied that and I tried that because in the application it says did you try to buy the land next to you and I it is a land there and I
did tried that but that gu is not buzzing on that that's good for the record thank you any other questions from the board is there anyone in the audience this evening that has any questions of this application is anyone in the audience
that is in support or in opposition to this application I see none would one of the members like to frame resolution [Music] please um yeah I I don't think it's a
it's an uh a big ask I think the house according to the testimony is going to fit within the context of other homes um you're not building a MC Mansion of any sorts so I'll be voting for it frame a resolution someone please
okay application 24.71 Kamal Malik 318 Hy road block 313 Lot 4 Zone R4 recommend granting a c variance to construct a new twostory single family dwelling with attached garage and roof front porch entranceway
contrary to section 430 S35 columns 2 3 10 and 13 with agreeing to the engineers recommendation for drainage I include that in the resolution thank you
sir have a second we need a second please second B yes um you know I'm going to vote no because I don't think all the information was given to us and I think
that on on many of the applications you know people are coming in with them not complete not giv us everything we need and and so I don't feel right about it so I'm going to vote no uh Jos yes Mella yes Willams yes
brani yes did you mention Mr burs uh yes I I vote I voted I said yes want me to say it again no that's okay all right your application is approved thank
[Music] you okay application 24 colon 43 h K Truck Services Incorporated 10 30 46 Fanny Road inter
Veil road block 448 blocks 16 17 18 19 20 Zone 0-7 preliminary and final major site plan with
c d variant major soil moving permit to construct a truck s and service facility good evening well that was a mouthful thank you chairman uh Steven tomakin from we Law Group Pary on behalf
of the applicant and owner uh HK truck is the applicant the the tenant of the property 10 F owner owns all the properties um this site hopefully needs no introduction to anybody who Liv in part
this is the old cigano Dodge site um everybody knows where it is everybody knows the site prominent Corner in town um HK truck started leasing the property back in 2019 and uh HK truck is in the business of selling and servicing trucks um it's
primarily based in South Playfield parcion is its second location um and they've done so well and they've enjoyed the operations par so much they decided to to buy the place so they made a deal with Cory bought the property from him
hired a bunch of professionals and went ahead to start working on a plan to really fix up that site I I I try to make it a practice never to speak poorly of a of a client's property but this site needs to blow um based on the the
zoning history um the last time if I'm not mistaken the last time this site was before this board was back in 1978 uh is when cigano Dodge got its original use variance approvals to develop the site so when you go out to the site now and you and you look at it
you're you're looking back in time to a car dealership from 1978 so again uh it's time uh it's time to put some money and some some love into this property um we think you're really going you know from from reviewing the plans in advance of tonight I think you're really going to
like what what uh Mr Navy the owner of HK truck is proposing um completely redoing the site complete complete uh it's just completely coming up with a brand new site um one of the interesting
things about this project and and you'll hear a lot from our professionals this evening is that one of the tasks that we were given was I want to completely redo the site but I don't want to shut the site down I want to keep operating while
the site is being redeveloped and that is what you're going to hear tonight the term phasing um and Mr Tiner our engineer who designed this project is going to go into detail as to how how that project is intended to be
built in pieces so that and in phases so that he could keep the operations going keep the people people employed there while all this work is going on how long of a project do you think it is several years Mr Tiner will be able to give a little bit of a better description but
uh it's a several year Endeavor um and is it made longer by wanting to do it in phases yes yes in order to keep the facility keep Sales and Service going building the replacement facility moving to the new replacement facility uh
creating parking it's the engineers have worked out this logistical plan which you're going to be hearing a lot about tonight but it it will cause this if we were just to shut the site down tear it all down build it of course that's faster
but that would create a big impact to the business again uh HK only has two facilities South planfield and parity so shutting down half one one half of its facilities to be an impact R and we're hoping to avoid that and we're hoping you know
when you hear the idea the logistics of how this is going to work hopefully the Zone board will find it to be palatable um workable and hopefully except you give a better definition of numerous years you're going to hear from Mr Tiner but
we were what the numbers we've been thinking about are between three and five which in the scheme of development it takes two years to build an apartment building so maybe that is not but when you build an apartment building you tear down and build new this is building then
tearing down and then building so it's it's a little bit complicated but so Mr Johnson I maybe I'm being naive but I never I guess I've been on here N9 years I've never had a where that's been presented and where we're
deciding on the yes or no of the case with the time frame is that common or you're asking to approve the entire plan oh the entire project but again sometimes for like the larger projects when you're redeveloping a site with 500
Apartments let's say you have multiple buildings you might phase it you build one apartment building now build the parking then start the next phase and the next phase but is that part of our thought process in approving it well it's one of the considerations you're going to have to make as to whether you want to approve their project knowing
that it's being done in phases okay but they're asking for you're asking for the approval of the entire project oh the entire project in that way in year one and two we'll do this part of it and when that part's done we'll then go to the next phase and build that part of it again the whole idea is to do it while all the men are still working at the
site and the customers are being service and not to disrupt it as stop playing not that close so unfortunately so so tonight you're going to be hearing from from three gentlemen Josh Tiner from redcom uh redcom uh either based in Cranford or Westfield um they just built
the Ford dealership i l that's one of their projects that their design built um and that's a beautiful site so Josh designed this project you're going be hearing from him he's going to go through the whole proposal he's going to describe the architecture of the site how it's being laid out um after Mr
terer from Doug piac our traffic engineer here um this is at the intersection of uh Fanny and Intervale um this has been reviewed by the county the county had a bunch of comments which we've addressed um he'll get into the traffic impacts of this site and then
last but not least have al already our professional planner um to go into the baring P this is a D2 case that's an expansion or intensication of a pre-existing nonconforming again just this board approved the cigano youth Grant back in 777 and 78 um HK has been
operating under a zoning permit relying upon those prior approval so this there's other than 1977 78 there has sure there was something between that we have something where they came in to do something for a
sign yeah but I think was the next for the property next door that private property John MCD wasn't able to come tonight he did say that he did do some hison work for Mr kigle on the neighboring property which Towing yard I believe but that's not part of this
obligation all right so without if the unless the board has any questions for me about like my introduction I like to have Mr Tiner swor in and we'll get him going on this you okay with six of us yeah we're okay we're hoping we can get it all in tonight I I think it's fact it's 8:30 you're going to hear three
Witnesses if we can get it all in tonight great otherwise we may need to carry okay you mentioned the county re where what jurisdiction do they have that's a good question I think it's Fanny road is
County it goes in a section is fny is 202 right makes a right turn over the bridge right there the corner it turns right in the corner I don't think well parts of 202 are County
jurisdiction parts of 202 yeah parts of that road 202 are County jurisdiction it's not all state jurisdiction you know when the project of this mag 202 doesn't go up in front of this right at the corner it takes a turn
to go over the bridge does it not the yeah yeah but John given the size of this project yeah because there's a conflict between they have in their report that they would like you to eliminate access
to and Mr I'm not I think it's important we know who has control over that the township or the county I think the township has control over it so over fan at least on then you don't think it's a
county Ro well I think because 202 the this County takes care of 202 the county it believes it has jurisdiction over 22 202 does not run in it comes up makes a
Bend at the intersection yeah correct touches the tip of the property but it doesn't continue on Fanny Road past inbound right correct but just like County storm water if even though you might not if you impact County storm water the county takes yeah I can see
that that that's a little more amorphous than this I mean it is or it isn't a jurisdiction and if the county is saying we suggest that comes up didn't say require
it you know what you concluded Mr explain where the driveways are proposed and how we're proposing to deal with it you talking yeah yeah I called you earlier today a while ago can you raise your right hand please where the testimony that you're about to give should be the
truth the whole truth I do great state your name last Joshua Tiner t i n r Josh can you give the board the benefit of your professional qualification experience uh yeah I studied uh civil engineering at Penn State graduated in 1995 um with a
bachelor's degree in civil engineering um I was licensed as a professional engineer in New Jersey in 2003 and my license is still in good standing I've testified for dozens of boards throughout the state of New Jersey um but I have not been before this board before and you have been responsible for
Designing this site uh yes I oversaw the the technical aspects I'm the vice president of the engineering department at our company um the person ultimately responsible as the owner of the company he signed and sealed the documents but uh it's my department that put the plans together and I was involved heavily in
in the design of the project with with those uh with that background we would ask the board to recognize Mr Ty next in sub thank you very much now joshh this is your project you've been working on this for several years why don't you go
through explain where the the board knows where the property is but give the board the background of the properties which Lots we're using what's there now I also have uh the the I don't know if call them place mats but um groupings of the exhibits that maybe you could have
fun you be easier thank you [Music] so for the purpose of this it's six separate exhibits or you could I don't know if you want toou as one well let's mark the
whole thing as A1 Mark as A1 Pages 126 [Music] okay so we uh refer to this site as 10 Fanny Road this is block 448 Lots 16 17 18 19 and 20 so it is
multiple addresses but ultimately um it's 10 Fanny Road um as a part of the application the goal is to consolidate these five lots and a tax assessor said it would become proposed lot [Music]
[Music] 19.01% uh the northern Exit routee 4 or exit 43 off of 27 um you would make a left onto Route 202 which is labeled as Intervale on the plan so if you got off the exit you'd make the left on Intervale and then you come up to the
intersection of parpy Boulevard and Fanny Road the site is there diagonally to the right now my understanding is if you're looking at this plan parpy Boulevard and as it bends to the right onto Intervale that would be Route 202
so technically the state is the state jurisdiction njdot wasn't there was no jurisdiction of the frontage cuz the corner of it touched the the state highway so um the state that we believe that there was no jurisdiction with the state and we don't have any access
within their jurisdiction I do believe parts of Pary Boulevard may be the county road but I don't believe Fanny Road or Intervale or County Road um and just to the topics that were discussed earlier um we did address all the county
comments we satisfi them I think the one at one point we had um um which we'll get to when we get to propose we had three driveways off of Fanny Road and the county asked us to get rid of one of them and so we removed one of them and so now there's only two driveways
proposed off of Fanny road so I guess we could move on to page two which would be R1 or R R2 page two of the exhibits um I'll also turn around turn the easel over [Music]
um oh actually maybe I should go back just so we're aware um the light blue in this first page one are the like various Zone lines and so lots 15 14 13 and 12
which are um to the left of the property there they're in the residential cuz that's the R3 district and then the lot kind of to the rear which is a big Warehouse that a church occupies that's also an
r33 Special Economic Development District but they're all residential kind of surrounding to the sides to the to the right that's commercial um retail type building and across the street across Fanny Road that's also like STS or some Tire type
commercial um operation and um lot 20 currently on the existing is a residential house that um will be demolished as a part of the project so moving back to to page two um
sorry what did you say Lot 21 what's the use that's there yeah got the yeah there's like a music store and some other reteta like retail type shops operations in fact while we're talking about that property um the application
has an easement a temporary easement requested from them and they granted um and this is for the purpose of uh as a part of our proposed conditions uh portions of that common property line they are lower than the existing
conditions and we're bringing ours down and if we didn't have an easement between the two properties we'd be building a silly like retaining wall holding back a foot of dirt between a retaining wall which would make no sense so we got an easement they're going to allow us to remove that and then the site will come from their site could
just kind of gradually ease into our site uh with a new retaining wall on our side but rather than go with a higher retaining wall that drop back down um we have an easement so they've agreed to that um as a part of the application um which is nice because that's cost
savings and I may be jumping ahead of my are you um the proposed new building yes will be on site 21 and 20 not 21 not 21 just 20
I'm sorry 20 yeah basically located on 19 and 20 yes okay all right thank you tax we we we plan if this project is approved we plan on merging all of the 10 fny Road Lots so would be a single
lot and and tax Au told us how to identify that future compin L but Lot 21 is separate that's the yes all right thank you so you're in an Essence saying 16 17 18 19 and 20 is encompassing the
entire site correct right yeah contiguous properties tax lots that are part of one site plan application and just one question for me the work that's currently being done there you say they're they're already working out of there they're working in the building at
17 and 18 is that am I right assuming that that's correct residential tenant living in that house but that again if this project goes forward that's kind
of on on 17 on that's on 20 right yeah they do they do operate on 19 that's where they Park trucks and you know that's where the building will be yeah but you're right right but the building is the existing building is on 17 and 18
okay right um so ultimately the plan shifts the driveway off of interval there there is an existing driveway coming off of interval as you can see it's basically unlock lot 16 um that would be like right up against the property line to the adjacent lot 15 we're basically shifting that so we can
Define some truck parking and and so it's shifted just a little bit to the South um on Intervale toward Fanny Road and that one will remain um the point of interest on that drive is that we're
we've have we have a sign proposed to restrict truck traffic to go left as truck traffic exits um um car car traffic could go right or left but it's designed so that we we have trucks only going out to the left if they are to
exit off of that that access point right now there's really no restriction um as defined Mr Channer so 16 will be the exit 16 yeah 16 is where the exit is and there's another one proposed if you were to look at R2 in that same kind of
location all right and that's across the street from private homes there are there are private homes across the street you couldn't move that exit off of Fanny Road uh we we do have exits off of Fanny road that that was part of the phasing
and part of the challenge with the county um and we can talk about whether or not that needed to stay as an exit point but um which one are you talking about the oneoff of
intervail we prefer to keep that because part of the part of the thing about this site once it's phased is that and I I'm getting ahead of myself in a way but I guess if you're looking at R2 and at the
bo is this one on if we're here this is this is what we're calling the phase 2 area cuz that's where the existing building is right and that this is that entrance that we're talking about off of interal right so at one point we had another
driveway proposed right here that's the one that the county I believe asked us to remove and we we did because we felt okay that that's fine as long as we can still get off of this lower part part of the thing is that this part of the site is up high we have a a slope down on
this drive access between and then this lower lot kind of remains at the lower elevation of the existing site has it circulation has a way for us to get in and out um it would be if this was not there it would be kind of cumbersome for the owner to have to
bring their all the vehicles back up this ramp and then back down another ramp and come back out on a fanny Road it's feasible I'm not saying it can't be done saying this is the application that's before so we prefer to do if the board would not push back on that too
too harshly um I personally would like to see you move that um these are I was to the site these trucks the C are huge and you're going to have sales trucks there also I'm sure and um we're going to be coming
in and out of that uh exit or entrance and uh I've got private homes across the street and what what are your hours I mean I'm probably getting ahead of myself hours and uh you know the uh the owner won't he's not here tonight but he
would be able to testify about the hours of operation but they are the same as what the existing building is and the existing building does currently have a driveway in that location doing the precisely same thing that we're proposing it to do with those houses
across the street those people have had that condition all those years now we could so those condition AR going to change not going to change the same talking about this the one off of the one heading out I mean the intensity of the traffic the traffic consultant could speak to so when I say it's not going to
change I mean the movements are very quite quite similar perhaps if I since let's keep that issue on the side because we'll talk about the phasing perhaps there might be a solution that after all the work is done maybe that
that could that driveway could be made like emergency access or limited let's let's just wait because Fair because you want to see you want to see it better you want to see it better for the neighbors too oh not just the property owner the neighbors as well absolutely
but I think fair for everyone the way I understand the phasing and Josh knows about that and I we might need that driveway but when the work is all done maybe then we could put limits remove maybe remove it maybe limit it that parking lot which is phase two the
spaces laid out in there appear to be for large trucks exclusive exclusiv it's truck parking the the what this the the what the applicant's business is is Sales and Service of uh truck bodies
like cabs the C cabs right not the trailers this isn't for trailer parking these will be vehicles that they're servicing or working on or not working on them in the location but waiting to service or a few will be
inventory in theory those spaces how deep I can't read the oh well they they do very some are 35 ft some are all the ones on that lot are 35 ft
deep 12T wide phase two in the phase two except for the ones that are size for car vehicle they would be utilized by a cab they wouldn't be long enough for a trailer obviously right I I believe it's I
believe it's all so why are they that that some trailers could park there are there going to be trailers or not question yeah kind we kind of heard both sides of that there isn't there is if you drive by the site now you notice it's not just like tractor trailer cabs
they serve box trucks mediumsized trucks where there at the present time yeah so it's not just you know the cab it's it's sometimes their mediumsized trucks I think the bulk of their business now at that s side is mediumsized Truck [Music]
Yeah so um maybe moving back on to some of the basic direct [Music] [Music]
testimony okay so off of Fanny Road currently in the existing conditions if you were look at the the site plan there's the driveway off of lot 20 there's a driveway off of a garage that's on L Lot 19 there's
three very wide large curb Cuts coming all the way down to the building which is on lot 18 um it it it's kind of inconsistent about how that is but the whole thing is basically you can drive in and off of Fanny Road um the
proposed condition is pushing any access onto the site on Fanny Road much further up we're we're aligning it with the driveway across the street with the STS property the tire that's the the two-way circulation in
and out um that's where we've aligned that and then that gives the abilties just for an occasional and or fire circulation vehicle to get around the building and once you come around the back of the building if it was a movement like this this is accessed in
and out coming around the building this becomes one way so would they could come they could turn around here and come back out but if you come over here this is not two way out this is out only so Vehicles would come around they could
back in some of the the parking that's why it's angled and then continue to move back out and then get out on the fanny Road and so there's only two driveways now and you have the ability to circulate the site and um and
so that's what we're limiting access what's what's the purpose of it being a oneway road because if you had both going both ways there then we wouldn't need that entrance and exit on the other side we really we really didn't have the width to do two-way circulation and
perpendicular parking so one of the reasons that's one way out is because um it was narrow on that side to allow us to have one-way circulation and still be able to park some vehicles on the angle parking
um and to give full circulation around the building in back of the building you wouldn't have it's not wide enough the way it is way it's strong to have both ways behind there yeah right right that back oh maybe I mean in theory cars cars
could make those Maneuvers but the the whole goal is to keep it as it would be tight yeah it it would be tight well I mean if we had maybe one less garage door and a little bit not as wide a building then we could do both ways there and help the neighbors have a a little peace and quiet on that side of
the road right just just my thought I we we can push it further like you said could I just clarify so I understand the to the whole um all the Lots 22 23 and 24 are those uh homes yeah what the lot the
structures on 22 23 and 24 those are residential homes um I I see what lot you're talking about I'm I'm not completely sure what those are I there could be residential in there they are on the other side of Lot 21 right I just want to get a yeah
and what about 13 14 and 15 they are residential do have residential and a joint like shared mixed commercial use on on I think 14 and 15 yeah I mean my concern more I mean the 22 23 and 24 is a little bit further
off yeah a little bit so the 13 12 13 14 15 are really the most affected and then and seven and eight seven and eight and six that's that's and one 15 is the towing the cor on a towing right
yeah so that's okay so that's a commercial that's a commercial I just don't know there may be someone that that does live occupy it as a residential as well 15 is all commercial um and I thought 14 had a commercial nature too but maybe not
your applicant Owens lot 16 17 18 19 and 20 looking at the for list yes um Lots 23 and 25 are owned by sound like businesses part 7 business properties and Noah construction and the middle lot lot 24 is owned by an individual did
shop although from California but I don't know what the S 22 I'm sorry lot 84 F yeah what's 22 that's the L 22 is closest it's an
LLC KW KRL LLC 6 that doesn't mean anything LLC is kind of personal property yeah it's personal okay um so anyway at the current time that one of the things also about the
width of the building is that that width was ideal for the service they have the The Bays on either side of the the building to achieve the width so they can bring the vehicles in keep the tool boxes in the zone in the middle and
work from either side to vehicles on coming in on either side of the building so that's um how we size the width of the building with the architectural team so the the the uh truck doesn't pull in get serviced and pull straight out they could have two trucks in the
building there are yes yeah there's two on either there's doors on either side gotta yeah and the trucks are current service in the buildings on lot 17 and 18 there is some yes there is some servicing occurring in 17 and 18 um yeah
it's so when you did your oneway system coming down the north side of the building the orientation of the angle of those stalls was there no 17
of yes 17 you decide to have it in that direction where the traffic is you anticipating that everyone will come down then back into that stall yes they're going to use that they're going to come from the rear and back into it
because they won't unless they I suppose someone could pull out of one of the the the the doors of the building after having been serviced and if he went straight into a spot he'd then have to deal with the k- turn
maneuver to pull himself out and come one way down to that down to the exit it just seems to me that it would [Music] be I don't know if it be safe or not to have them back pull in head on and back
out or do it the way you're talking about they come down stop and then back in well all these vehicles are going to be moved around by the people that work there this is not customer par self- parking or this isn't a you know the any
customer parking is mostly going to be on the left hand side with the 90° parking and or in the car parking spaces can I ask a question yeah what is the height of the current building and what's the new height of this this new
building the height of the current building is 28.3 ft and the proposed building is on this plan it's actually a typo um or something that had changed
over time these the zoning height is going to be 33.9803409 right that's that's high cuz they some of them go on lifts and so they have the higher higher ceiling I come from a car [Music]
sing perfect yes so the the size of the proposed building footprint is 24768 square ft um the truck service aspect is not permitted so that will be the D variance for the application um
which is will bring it before this board um the phased approach so again we talked about this briefly um so the the goal is for them to continue to operate out of the buildings on 17 and 18 while the new building gets
constructed the business um does not day one need the full building they would over time grow into the size of the building and so as as such they don't need all of the parking day one on the phase two portion
of the lot so what they want to do actually now this wasn't really the detail of what was talked about but in the ideal perfect world um my understanding and it would be better if the owner probably spoke about his goals and plans but what he explained to me and which is why we put it on a as a phase
[Music] plan specifically was because he would like to after he's able to vacate the building on 17 and 18 and he moves into the new building with his operation he would maybe for a season like to keep
the existing buildings and maybe find a a permitted tenant lease it for a little while to help as he grows his business until the time when he needs that full sight then he would vacate and and what what kind of a bill what kind of an
owner or a renter is he talking about another truck service or another maintenance what what are we talking about a permitted use tenant that's and if this was something that was a highly offensive to the board I think they he'd probably have to back away from that but this was this was the perfect law that's
an overuse that's no no my eyes in my eyes yeah agree understood that it was uh the goal was to phase it for a temporary ability to do that in theory in theory then you
wouldn't need to have this plan phased because they we could as we've constructed it it's phasing for construction purposes not phasing for approval purposes because we're going to just construct this site so that they're operating while they build a new
building and then at the end of them and when they get that occupancy then they'll demo the new the existing building and vacate that building so I don't think I think the phasing was the ideal goal for him to If he if the board was to see fit to allow another tenant
there for a year or so while he built his building just as Mr chood said DOA yeah will communicate that to the owner understood understood so iing phasing it for that purpose now we're putting the neighbors through more right you don't
for a lack of better Talent term hell of building and exactly all that when they don't they don't really deserve to have that and it does sound like to me you're still going to have to phase it we're going to we do need to phase it from a construction perspective from a zoning perspective because you can't get a CO
on the new building unless you pass final and you can't pass final until the old buildings down Dem so you're going to need a bridge okay so then we do I guess from a zoning perspective we definitely still need the board the board may want to wish to um discuss a
time frame about the time between the co of the big building and the completion of the rest of the site work including the demolition of the old building right that seems fair eight in the front and eight in the back okay so I talked about the construction ement already I've
talked about the phased um architect Al in terms of architecture we do have an architect available to present testimony the other hearing um I work closely with them our company redcom which does the design build of many many projects that we work
on that means we do the construction we also design the engineering we design the architecture so I work with the architecture Department um just in terms of this exhibit which is page I believe well let me just make sure page
[Music] three page hisory is this exhibit over here um this proposed building is um block possibly tilt up but most likely block with a corrugated metal uh exterior added and then the
front of the building will have eephus finish on this corner um of the building and and uh then we have to post signage Etc as per what's on the application in the site plan so it's mostly going to be block building just office with the
twostory area you can see um we'll have an ephus finished that's um I think going to be a nice Improvement in fact if we go on to uh can I just interrupt are the signs shown on page three the sign you're asking
for the signs on page three are the signs that are in the site plan application shown on our our sheets yes so you need those are I'm looking at there's for that you're you're looking for variance relief for signage yes yes
I'll get to that when I run through the list of relief theoretical relief required for um under how we read the ordinances and in terms of if it was a permitted use um
so actually I think Pages uh four and five are actually nice to see the differential so page four shows you what the site looks like from a photo perspective that was taken from a drone
photo um this was this was not over the holidays when the drones were all over the state but this was done by McD's office um so they took this drone photo and five shows you what you would see from that same perspective
with a um photo realistic overlay of the site laid on top of it so that's the ultimate endend phase two look of the [Music] property I have a question on the number of am I calling them Bays garages where
the trucks will be serviced yes you have eight in the front and eight in the back of the building um there are I have to look at that number I believe it is eight per side yes one two yes 8% um there's one actual other I think
it's a parts delivery overhead door so there's a ninth overhead door on the uh at the end of the paved area on the back if you were to see that over near I guess that's the Transformer that's right here okay this is also like an overhead door with a man door next to it
these are all the person people access ways to the building um and I'm sorry oh absolutely question and when I'm looking at this drawing okay yes number lot 15 that's what's that right
here is that a towing company or where oh I yeah next door on we believe that's the towing company yes and and do they live there or they they do they live there there yeah cuz it it it looks like you
know [Music] why wasn't [Music] well yep all right so um next thing I was just going run down just I'm sorry interrupt oh uh page four of your
exhibit yes if you look at the um inter Veil Road there is a there's a white pickup truck you see that white pickup truck on that photograph maybe yeah off interv yes um on interv is that is that a whole curb
cut along that side of Intervale road yeah right down by the corner that it does have looks like the Press curb so people can drive in like right off the corner maybe to the right of that Inlet I know the whole thing isn't flush and where the hedges are so there's
actually existing there's actually two looks to me like there are is that right mhm yes yes yes so we reduced it to one and the fanny one is all the way up Fanny Fanny is where the Avis truck
is that area yes around with the Avis truck yeah before and after right over is that the type of vehicles trucks that are going to be serviced in this area and AIS truck is a large truck then we have box trucks like
that trucks and so forth it's not only going to be cabs it's not just cabs I I I I only meant that in a context of there's no trailer just trailer bodies they're not there to they're not there to to store like trailer parking
like you might see at like a warehouse site or something this is but we do have a couple of large large trucks back box trucks yes the owner or the person that everyday operation will they be a witness at some point we can have them
you go to you go to their web page and they say we're encourage you to bring your big size trucks whatever that might be yeah yeah unfortunately Mr Navy wanted to be here but he's out of state um but I'm assuming this uh uh hearing will be carried and we're going to have
Mr Navy himself come and answer any questions describe his operations he regrets not being able to can I ask a question sure sure on this B here this drawing yes you
have all shrubs in the back coming around on the side here on this side there is nothing it's all laid wide open and intrusive what page you want please it was you want five what page yeah five the new yeah the new
[Applause] [Music] completed up against that is that is true um I suppose let me let me just this for when when you go into properties a commercial
to residential usually have a puffer and there isn't anything there but a wall right so if if you look at sheet two and let me just make sure I know what I'm talking about here you'll see that we did leave that
green space as just grass I think that could be we could add something to screen the wall and VR is I just know it
looks like it looks like stone in there or a p pavers put up against the wall yeah so so you see the the line of trees across from the nine and the Seven spaces um if you're looking at sheet two
across from the eight might help yeah it's a good idea no good point so these there's there's plantings here yeah those soften the the the fence from this side um they're 3 to four feet high yeah
leather leaf that's similar plantings could be put here I I I don't understand why that wasn't thought of when you were drawing because it's very intrusive CU right across the street is residential houses in and in including the property
that the wall is on I I don't have an objection to adding them I think that we we put the wall like a f it's really a fence it's a white solid fence we put that there just so you understand the way we're thinking is that we put that there in a location
that had a similar type of fence and there's like a building there that's being taken down or that there's a building there on the other site so it's it's all similarly screened and we were concerned with maybe the the view from just inside lot what is that
15 and how just a fence right on the property line would probably be nice for them but um seeing this perspective in your presence now I I say that it it makes sense for there to be maybe Arbor VY right along that that wall and they
could be as tall as the fence ke say wall the fence and we could do something similar as a condition I I don't really I don't see any problem with that how tall is that 6 foot and it goes all the way to the street it it does it could be
notched at 4T if that was preferred from the front yard line but we do identify the relief in the list Trigg but we're flexible you're talk you're talking about buffering the tow truck like right no well they live there too you well
there's there's a question of whether it's just now an office when he came to us years ago I I think you will remember Betty Lop he needed um he needed approvals because he wanted to put his uh his uh towing trucks there okay I I I
think it has to be more um investigated in fact they should ask or find out but I kind of think he does live there he he's been back a couple times that's what I thought over the past five to six years
I think and i i f here but I I'm pretty sure he said no was going to live there in the last year well some of the neighbors yeah but I think the we we went to the we went to
discuss the tow truck a lot but we haven't discussed the houses across the interv okay the neighbors have advised me that Michael does stay there some okay thank you thank you yeah
that's I might be getting ahead of myself but on the final picture which looks pretty nice I guess but this this will be the only structure on the final site correct where all the work will be done the office are done
who's going to park way the hell out here what are all these parking places for along here okay that are that far away from the building um so combination potentially of inventory or and this this the vehicles that are being
serviced um in inside the shop when they're waiting for the customers to come back and pick them up so these are these are parking spaces for the business people be parking HK is a dealer for several truck Brands so the idea is to not only service but to sell
okay that's kind of where I going with that so this is going to be more of a significant increase in retail sales all right of trucks at this site that's the goal that's the goal okay I I guess we have to we'll have to see that how that
impacts traffic and all that other stuff at another date I guess okay right okay having said that all right yeah if that's going to be the main thing I I would see you say maybe the later date that driveway out onto interb would could be closed or not needed if all the
activities back here I would say that absolutely the only way they need to be going in and out of this property site is noty and and there should be more shrubs around there to buffer that all the way around you can't see you can't see the trucks selling being parked out there
yeah yeah exactly yeah would assume if you if you close that that exit and entrance then that whole side could be trouy so the neighbors won't even see that Y and I just have a question I mean we got trucks that one little area
that's kind of like a I don't know what I would say this here like that parking how would they yeah that doesn't make sense to me I guess I'm I'm no expert on that but do you need those extra three spots there if you didn't have that would you just be able to
pull oh I mean we I don't know I just I don't know how many spots you need it just looks they could get in I mean we we're we're trying to serve his business you know what I mean like he he needs as many parking
spaces as he can once he's fully operational um so obviously once we close off that which sounds like that's a pretty firm request of the board that that uh that would change this configuration
slightly I think it would probably we would lose those three but maybe pick up two or three on the row that's right end in you know what I mean like so it's going to have to it'll change around but um he would have to redesign it yeah you
would have to put some Landscaping as he said a Lille absolutely yeah those could those could be higher higher allocate more land landscap absolutely so maybe maybe uh as an
example you see the four these four parking spaces here yeah I don't think we want to design yeah but if I lost one I'm going to be able to get like another feet and just thicken it up something like that slide it back these are definitely things we can
do um okay so continue on I guess unless are there any other immediate questions at the moment just I'll try to run through wasn't enough the prepared direct um the uh so the bulk requirements this is the OS Zone again
so the minimum lot size was 8,000 square ft this lot will comply with 141,142 83t existing proposed the minimum front yard setback was 35 ft and the lock implies with 50.5 ft proposed to the building um just noting the existing
non-conformity of 14 ft is being removed um the minimum side yard setback 5 foot on one and 15 on both the lock implies with 46.4 ft post to the sidey yard um the minimum rear yard setback of
15 is required and lock implies 61.5 proposed the maximum building coverage of 30% maximum um complies with a 17.5 ft or 17.5% proposed um during the
phasing that was 26.6% so it's still in compliance Max impervious with the 80% Max the lot the Final Phase 2 lot complies with 77.1 proposed um the phased condition while
that existing building is there is 84.2 so that's a temporary variance relief for while we're under construction and waiting for the certificate of occupancy prior to demo maximum Building height two stories 35 ft is permitted um the lock complies
with a two-story building and it is less than 35 ft that's going to be [Music] 33.9803409 that's calculated that's the average at 6 ft off the building finished floor it's actually 33 ft 10 in
to the peak of the roof there's a parit that wraps around the three sides of the office that's like one foot above that so that original [Music] well I was going to get to the list of variances oh sorry I shortly all right it's a
pretty long decent list um but let's just I'll just review to stay in order for a moment um parking so the total required car parking is 63 parking spaces the site proposes 27 car parking
spaces and 69 truck parking spaces um the reason this is automobile Services requiring and automobile service requiring 63 parking spaces but what he's servicing is are the trucks so truck
parking spaces are bigger than car parking spaces we have I think it's compliant in terms of the number of parking spaces but it's technically probably maybe relief cuz you're not technically providing 63 car parking spaces it's harder to I don't
know if that's exactly how the attorney would interpret that or the planner but um we have 98 total proposed parking spaces from a zoning understand because you've got got employees you've got you've got employees you've got
customers yeah I'm I'm going to talk to trucks being serviced trucks being sold we've got a bunch of different categories of parking and once we decide what is customer and employee from there we've got to do the handicap and the EV
so we really need that all tabulated and somehow presented so we can understand what's going where and what kind of relief we're supposed to be getting for this my uh my notes when I was responding to your sort of question on that in your
letter I uh this is item 15 off of your your letter um noting that your last letter which is dated what the let me just make sure we're on the
same page 2th February 25th right item 14 um or item 15 we noted that so I'm when I speak to the bul variances I'm going to identify that we probably do need relief from 43027 uu um based on this comment
because um so we have 27 car parking spaces they need about five car parking spaces for customer customers that leaves about 22 car parking spaces for the employees and then regarding the 69 trucks parking spaces of the phase 2 full buildout um we need about nine of
those for customer parking and the other 60 were we noted them as optional sales but speaking with the uh the owner he would never need more than 10 for inventory so let's just assume it's 10 inventory type sales
spaces for some things that he might to be selling and then 60 of those truck spaces are available for the servicing and customers that are leaving cars there for service trucks I say cars are those going to be particularly
designated like sign I wasn't going to Define them on the plan but I suppose if the board wanted them locked down in some kind of fashion that could be done um you said the employees would to move the trucks
around right yeah go the office right it's the trucks that are going to move them you're right it'll it'll be very similar like when a person drops off their car for service at a car dealership they'll they don't drive into a indoor Bay here they park the car they come inside they say I need
service they someone Picks Them Up or they Uber right and and then the the people either park it somewhere that they want it or they bring it in for service but I think Mr lebowitz's comment about parking it's difficult ult to figure out what relief you need
unless those parking spots are particularly designated for customers employees Etc isn't is that where you were going Tom yeah basically trying to get a table or something that we can kind of look at and say okay let's figure this out and it sounds like you
got a a concept but we need something that we could put on the plan and say okay these are the numbers and from that we can generate the handicap and the EV and whatever uh relief might be required I mean we just have that I would think we need some kind of document I could I
could definitely update the table to reflect be reflective of what we think we're proposing and why I guess the question would be is the board would the board be leading for us to also designate specific spaces for like
customer parking for purpose for the purpose and inventory parking or would there be flexibility I think you just need to sign the handicap the EV bases and if there's some reserve for some reason for customers do that but putting
a whole bunch of little signs all over the property yeah right that so yeah so we I mean we have EV designated spaces we have handicap designated car parking spaces which is based on the 27 proposed car
parking um spaces being proposed there's no I don't know if there's no such thing but there's no proposed handicap truck customer parking space what Mr L is asking for is just the summary table so that he can verify I could easily we could easily revise and put a put a
table the number the number with the EV and the handicap are going to be based upon customer and employee cars right people driving you know it's not has nothing to do with storing trucks or fixing trucks or anything and it's just a matter of designating which spaces are
which right that's you know the automobile versus the trucks right and and your parking may change if you increase the buffer along interval road yeah right these numbers are going to they they'll end up tweaking a little bit based on
what we have to reconfigure to um so let me go back to this um I I mean my testimony was the Ada parking was proposed to meet the ADA requirements the EV parking was to meet
the EV with the two proposed EV um this is this is subject to change I think at the moment but we will the intent will be to comply car parking spaces required are 9 by8 that's what we're proposing um the parking lot has striping and sidewalks appropriate to make locations
for safe pedestrians for customers um the loading requirements are complied with um in terms of the signage so let's talk about the proposed build amounted signage they are um there's four proposed signs which is going to require
relief which I'll get into to shortly later but um there's two signs that are 77 Square ft that make that that's 17 17' 5 in X 4T 5 in sign and um there's a 68t sign which is
15 and 11 and five 11.5 in by 4 3 in and a fourth sign that is 4T 1 and 1/2 in by 4T 1 1/2 in how many of them are lit and that one's 177 how many of those are lit internally eliminated I think they all
are time so we're going to have to probably restrict that so the neighbors don't have comings and yeah I think most most times the requirement is that they show off at a certain time y uh can you point out and at least let the board know where those
those if they're all facade signs where on the building they'll be mounted and at what height because course of these ordinance is a little bit unusual when it comes to s the uh Tanner is that page three your signage on the building yeah page three
is an you can see all the signs on page three in the drawings that are part of the application package page nine shows the details of the signs on the Landscaping signage
plan phase one I have um let me just get to the heights we don't [Music]
have you have the plan set oh no sign details sign details are on page n the larger one the HK truck is 17.3 right that one is that one's right here in the gray Port of the
eish then there's this I don't know if it's Hino or Hino trucks that's going to be on that also on that yes facade and then the part service sign is off to the right on the top right yeah faade facing
F Ro right right [Music] on and then there's the come in sign the C the is on the is right here also on on the side okay yeah just
see okay thank you oh you know what I'm I'm incorrect on something I said the part service sign is the freestanding sign's that Ro that's yeah that's that's coming
in it's right here actually on the rendering it's under the tree so then that's sign five that's the fifth sign there four building mounted signs and the fifth one freestanding sign and so there's two of the HK Truck
Center the one here on this side and the one here on the corner that's what that one is that's the when you say on the cour you're talking about the facade facing Fanny Road the facade facing Fanny Road and then there's a monument sign the monument sign on Fanny
Road yes it's on Fanny Road on the on the side of the driveway up by the parking spaces you could see that on sheet three so both HK signs are the same size no it's on it's on sheet N9 as well both
HK signs the same yes that's it says uh on the sign details it says number one p and number two P so those the two signs for that and the signs on the facade facing interel Road deser
the companies with which HK Trucking represents right from a sales and service perspective correct correct size seems to be the number is more than the ordinance allows the size
seems to be within the ordinance but it's too high they we have an audience that say you can't be more than Fe up and your building is 31 just by looking at it I right the the Comon I think the max
mounting height for signs is 25 ft from grade that common sign is 25 or 22 25 is in the ordinance 25 25 yeah but like all the buildings in the in the maal campus had to come in for variances
because it would look silly to put us yeah right in the middle of the building so everybody goes up closer to the to the corns yeah and we're putting them above the windows but anyway it's so the Comming sign is 28 foot 1 inch the heo
is 28' 2 in and the HK um on the right hand side is 25' 10 and2 [Music] in the one that faces Fanny Road the other one I think is
compliant the heights who chose it based on the building's 33 ft so to make it kind of at the appropriate visual location for right right the ones facing the mill need to go above the window so we understand that the other one looks
like you could make them comply would you say was 25 in a quarter or something like yeah 25 10 and five 10.5 in I mean maybe we lower that one 10 in yeah and make that one comply the PNY road side yeah Mr tinan the monument sign which
sheet on the plan set is that show because I'm not seeing it on my set of plans yeah you know it's not showing up on she3 but it does show up on she9 yeah the same the same sign the signage plane is where it's um being
clearly called out but I'll I'll make sure we add that to sheet 3 but if you see uh so if you're looking at sheet 9 you can see the call outs for each of the ones the building Manet signs with a designation to it and then if you're driving in off of Fanny Road there's a
like the island before the parking lot the little Peninsula it sticks out there says proposed ID sign 5p Area 25 Square ft sheet n on sheet n it's it's amongst the trees see amongst the trees can't
see it's there there going be a magic trick so do you know the hours of operation I I you know what I actually didn't ask that to of the owner I think I mean they're going to continue the same as they are now but it's probably
something like maybe 6:30 probably 7 till I don't even know actually did he ever tell you I guess he'll he'll be the next meeting any reason why you would have the signs on after the business closes probably not no so uh uh it
closed Sundays um Monday through Friday 7:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Saturdays just morning hours you reading from this is from the uh HK from what their website provides um having driven
there by in the evening was it 7 7 in the morning 700 a.m. okay ding there in the evening so the lights at night shouldn't be a problem cuz they're closed they shouldn't be on they shouldn't be on off at 6:00 be on just we'll get
there you'll be able to ask I'm sorry just try to refrain from making comments from the audience because it it it affects the Integrity of the record also yeah I mean we recognize there there's homeowners nearby and they don't want to look at a lit sign when there doesn't need when the site's not even open so
we'll yep um there's other site circulation signage such as stop signs handicap parking signs Etc then lighting um the lighting is proposed to apply the 18t
High fixtures throughout that's um identified on the plants now Landscaping has shade tree everen tree strawberry is proposed we're going to modify some of that um with probably Ary along the fences so that they're about getting up
to the height let's have it at 6 feet as well so that the it's a nice softer look as that fence is there look the lights in the parking lot you're going to shut those off in non business hours or motion detectors so that they
only go on if somebody's trying to break in I don't have an objection to that but I is there security level lighting you need yeah I mean there they might want some security lighting I mean I know I haven't talked with anyway about that but um you know car dealerships
want there to be light for security neighbors don't but neighbors don't yeah I mean you can put on motion that's Mak some sense yeah that's something that um we'll discuss with the owner and when we come back we'll have we'll have a better answer and we'll discuss that
next do you know if the lights are up inside so we can't see the ball yeah they would be they're going to be led see it's it I mean it's flush I think the LEDs are set back but they
should be not no glare they should be like cut off fixtures that if I'm living across the street IND I'm not going to see that boat I don't no I don't think so no no don't say you don't think so say you know please I know I
know be more precise okay darn all right um that's not what you wanted to say you I was off the Record anyway so Refuge removal and recycling um there's a trash and closure
proposed private huler expected to be engaged um where where is it in the back in the back corner that's right here is where the over there yes that's what I thought [Music] yep the uh right behind the
resur church on the [Music] other Public Utilities um for water electric gas sensors who are available um and able to service the site with the services as
proposed um so now I'm going to just run through the list of variances and and waivers so will they change when you reading the plans um some may and do we have this
list it's pretty close to the letter one of the documents in the application packet I called it a summary of variances and waivers it's long sounds it and I think I attached the Zone Department to
it I assemble this thing this list this list is pretty consistent also um with uh the engineering letter from Mr L manowitz so are you proposing to go through all those tonight
now I don't I don't have that you submitted it yeah it was part of it's it may have evolved since the original submission on the original yeah it's up to you if you want me to not why do we hold on to that because you're
going to probably bring back back a plan that shifts a couple parking spaces so we get a bu better on sign movement you going to adjust the sign of the opp the sign right um to the
extent you're going to identify customer Park spaces first whatever that'll be up to you guys yeah um and probably going over the
variances reading off a piece of paper don't think it's produ well there's a couple of them that maybe you want to talk about yeah um don't stop with number one all right so the second one so no
offense no offense over 4T permitted in the front yard we do have that six foot fence going the whole way would the board rather see a notch and a 4ft fence the last solid and then lishing top so go so get rid of that variance and have a a drop in the fence okay yeah so let's
and you're going to you're going to put plannings in front of it anyway yes yep that's sorry about that um so I wanted to talk about I this the last exhibit in the sheet is actually
related to um the HVAC looks to me from now that I've looked at it that we're not going to need relief this yellow zone is an area where we can pretty much put the HVAC as the uh architect had identified really
HVAC equipment is going to be no higher than 6.5 ft and so if you're standing at the the property line at uh back of lot 15 or the property line at the back of the uh the church lot there these are the
sight lines and sight line one and two basically show you how if you're standing 6 feet off the ground the corner of the building is going to Shield the HVAC equipment set back that far so that yellow zone is basically the
the safe Zone plus 10 ft off of the other two frontages for where HVAC equipment will be proposed so okay um so you don't need there so think we need a variance at one point I was going to ask for it you you to put on the roof that's right yeah
it's definitely going to be on the roof right okay yeah [Music] um I guess do we need to have the variance for the max impervious in between phases
since it's temporary condition just until certificate of occy that's a question because the the the existing service center is going to remain up while the new one's being built so there might be an imper impervious issue temporarily I think you should we should
designate it as such okay in it's like a temporary releas yeah and have a Time on it the uh yeah I think that's a good point that a little more detail on the phasing is probably appropriate as well when you come back in terms of the
construction of what we're going to approve they're not going to leave it open at right yeah you going have to get pretty detailed of where their staging areas are where they're going to pile up equipment where they're going to put their trailers where they're going to
whatever I pretty good size building I know you guys you do met construction siding yeah but you want to see that in the site plan set a trailer parking a trailer I'm just
the real bottom line I see is whether you got too much going on at this when you got the building under construction and you're operating in business how long that's going to take once you get the building up I think
everything will solve itself yeah but in the between I don't want to see like Chinese fire drill going on I mean I think it could easily happen and there's no way to Rectify than stop putting stuff in the street and that
can't happen no right they can't do that yeah we can put we could put a little bit of a plan together on that um so what was not in the list was the off street parking for sale
repair servicing the only thing that would be now we would we're clearly going to have some inventory parking spaces identified in the whole thing so we're going to need relief from that 430 275 U which I hadn't had on the list before so that's
new um can you explain that one a little bit more I'm sorry so the way 43027 U reads it says more or less no off street parking for sale repair servicing and some other word that I
didn't write down because it's whatever I can look it up but um since we since some of the parking spaces will be inventory parking spaces it you would need relief from that cuz it's a sale parking space into use I mean right yeah
it's it's I'm just identifying it off of that specific item that's we have the relief for the signage which we'll have and then they all flow into it and then uh the other one is the steep slopes just so we're aware that the steep slopes
come off the building we're changing that with retaining walls and regrading so most steep slopes on this site are being disturbed as part of the application so and then moving on to my kind of assessment of the review letters
um so we do have moris County Soil Conservation District certification we got that in July 25th and we have the moris County planning board approval that letter was dated 11:22 2024 um we addressed the fire subcode
memos the fire chief memo said no further comments the water department memo we addressed and the sewer memo also said no further comments um we've received John Chadwick's planning memo um item two
discussion on operations will be by the owner traffic is here to testify traffic for number three number six we've kind of beat phasing to a you know we've talked about it enough I think and going to be a little more detailed than what our plans are and
then the uh Gman Peterson Inc engineering memo data 225 item seven was the easement we talked about um item eight the applicant included we we had a major soil moving permit application submitted with the
original submission um just for clarity this is a generally balanced site there's going to be about 8,500 cubic yards of cut and 8650 cubic yards of a fill so we'll need an import of about 150 cubic yards um which is not um very
significant in terms of the total earth work and there will be an export of about 3,200 cubic yards of top soil and Josh will the apping commit that it will have the same limitations on truck traffic so the trucks carrying soil to and from the site will not use like will
not go right onto inter Veil and they use the main roads to reach 27 right yeah they'll they'll basically come off the site take Fanny Road and get on 27 um just a question on going back to number my number seven um I thought
earlier in your testimony you said that you will be doing grading on Lot 21 21 yes so you will be doing work on the adjoining property there's minor grading work occurring and some demolition so that we can tie into the
existing grades like smoothing it out yeah let me just look at it again which is basically plan sheet [Music]
five was it consent of ownership provided for Lot 21 we were the music store was was gave us what we titled the temporary construction and grining eement agreement and it's from November 18 2023 we've been working at the okay so did the notice go from yeah we
included in the notice they included a big section saying there's going to be temporary grading on that lot okay I just want to make sure cuz I hate to go through all this and you noticed 200 ft from that lot I did we took we got the list for all of our Lots plus the music storees lot we noticed around everybody
yep now with respect to your your soil moving permit I thought the number I saw in the and I I have the report here sumary was like 50,000 yards in the major soil moving permit but it doesn't sound like you're saying that number I'm trying to find I thought the application
actually said to be determined but yeah the application States there'll be 50,000 cubic yards of material to be moved no not that's that's in the township Engineers memo of July 8th and my question is has there been
any soil testing done to make sure that you don't have contaminated material that you have the truck out or put a cap on yeah we don't have there was nothing of that nature found in what geotechnical testing We performed nothing did you test you
tested for petroleum products and all that stuff and it it came up clean there was a phase one done that did not talk about anything like that that didn't recommend any additional testing as far as I know when
we bought the property we did extensive uh investigation I'm just saying I I I don't want to go again I hate you have to come back halfway through and say hey we found that somebody spilled oil on the ground which I'd be surprised if it didn't happen we didn't like we didn't
swiss cheese to site but you know the hot spots whatever it was they were all investigated could you supply us with a report and give it to Tom uh our environmental diligence yeah no I probably would want to to close that that's kind of that's close to the
P you know that's usually not the you're the real I know all I'm saying is that it impacts your s moving per yeah our own information on the property that just like you don't ever
let an lsrp onto your site we don't usually share any IFL due diligence we do well if there's a question on it you got to have support to say it's clean whenever soil is you just had a question whenever soil is moved if it's going to be exported or imported it has
to be tested yeah and that'll be done but we're but we're not talking about the potentially the soil coming in we're talking about soil that's there yeah right you know and a car dealership was there right so how clean was the Earth
when the car dealership was done and you have that information but you will not divulge well I I can't disclose that I mean we got we I mean all the tanks were pulled in the past everything was confirmed the owner was they he felt comfortable enough to
receive purchase and he got financing and the bank was satisfied that but then if that was satisfied and the bank was satisfied to give them the mortgage then there shouldn't be any problem given us if it was if it wasn't contaminated
again uh I'm not authorized to disclose that yeah but what if this board wants to see that see that information I'll have to ask Mr Navy okay please please do so thank [Music] you you have any other comments on your
zoning testimony um let me just see I'm going to raise an issue that we haven't talked about at all and these trucks every time they back up they're going to go beep beep right item nine was talk about merging
the Lots we talked about item 11 business hours he'll talk about when the owner testifies item 12 was talking about phasing 13 um the handling of fluids and batteries I mean he he can testify that but it's
going to be the same as the existing operations it 14 was Clarity on the building height I think the the revised plans will be more clear on Building height um item 15 this is really from the 275 U that we
talked about on the uh parking of sale item [Music] 16 uh requested the number of 20 how we got to 27 car parking spaces that was
the the nine in the front plus the 16 on the side and then in phase two you can see three groups of four down on the phase 2 area so that equals 27 item 17 um we I think we'll replace that with
a cast in place wall in the front that retaining wall so of because of the subsurface strange features behind the wall item 19 um work with the engineer to identify a good planting scenario in the site triangle easement so that'll be revised plus these other changes that
we've talked about um item 20 on our plan we do show the thickness maximum one foot thick signs off the face of the building uh and then 26 we're okay with
proposing an enlarged plan um but we did show a note that shows a 4 fo5 clear on the sidewalk between the ball and the EV charging equipment so that should be adequate and items 21 through 31 are miscellaneous strange comments we'll address all of those
ultimately and item 32 was the screening that we talked about so that's all my direct testimony saying you know trucks have when you put a truck in reverse there's the audible alarm to how have we contemplated the noise from
those beeps uh and how that impact operations has that been considered is that something should look at uh we're going to have to look at that more closely and maybe uh to do with activity beside the hours they sto operating
moving vehicles around um and that one lot that's down next to hille is I think probably the most it'd be interesting to hear if there are obors or neighbors that have input on
that since the business is ongoing as it is to hear their input on that aspect of the noise too yep okay it's late it is late so uh because we are likely changing one of the driveways that's probably going
to impact my traffic experts testimony and Analysis so he's going to have to go back to the board on that um it's a little so I think this might be a logical for this evening we have our homework cut out see if there's any questions of your
Witnesses testimony that it's given th far from the Public Public have any questions of this witness and his testimony only questions only not comments just questions Mr terer will be returning at the res
please come up you have questions of this witness not comment either in support of or in opposition but a question on the testimony that he gave identify yourself tell us you sure um William Taylor eight Lake Place uh
off of interal Road um will any of these plans be available to the to the public to the to to us that's J she has office so we can definitely everything thank you I
actually have a quick strategic question cuz if we're we're planning on coming back from March 22nd or no don't know funny we don't know yet we have to see when we have time okay
CU if it was sooner than later it might be easier like for us to create an exhibit of the new layout ident ify the information and revise the plans as a condition of approval like all the engineering after that we're all happy
with a layout but maybe I just have to redesign everything for the resubmission you have a comp experience I'm not sure it's going to be a resubmission but you have to revise the plan um whether you you whether you weren't resubmitting it in advance or be prepared to discuss how
you're addressing these which okay well I could do that with exhibits and things of that okay I just just that's what I wanted to be clear on cuz cuz I can resubmit but I'm going to need a little more time if I have to do all I'm sure going to give it to you if you if you create a pillion more
sets of these which and then the board changes it you're going to have to do another so I would come in with a revised okay to to exhibit strategies and right okay and answer most of the questions from this board appreciate please definitely okay
thank you your's date is June 11th June 11th thank [Music] you [Music] 730m no with no further notice no
further notice okay and with extension extension yes extensions was it June 21 June 11th June Jun Jun 11 thank you very much everyone thank you appreciate [Music] it motion
[Music] toj good night folks thank you sir appreciate your help nice to meet you thank you