somebody or doing something. >> We're on record. >> Good evening and welcome to the special meeting of the Township of Pipony Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. Today is Wednesday, December 3rd, 2025, and it is 700 p.m. Announcement is made that adequate notice of this meeting has been
given and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104-6 at SEAC of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Roll call. Mr. Burkowitz >> here. >> Mr. Dro >> here.
>> Mr. Duskowitz >> here. >> Mr. Misarella >> here. >> Mr. Freddy >> present. >> Chairwoman Gyani >> present. >> We also have our board planner Mr. Chadwick. >> Our board engineer Mr. Lmanoitz here >> and our board attorney Mr. Johnson >> here.
Meeting is open to the general public. I'm sorry. We'll start with the pledge of allegiance first. Please stand and join us in the pledge. >> I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Mr. Chad, can you raise your right hand, please? You swear or affirm that any testimony that we give tonight should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Yes. >> Mr. Woman, do you swear or affirm that any testimony that you give tonight should be the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, second. >> This meeting is open to the general public. If you have any questions other than what is on our agenda this evening, please come forward. I see none. Application 24 col 36 Travilli 13 North
Beverick Road block 611 lot 6 zone B5 a Dvarian to convert the lower level of a mixeduse building into two apartments. This application was carried from October 28th October 8th 2025.
>> Mr. O'Neal. >> Yes. Good evening everybody. Joseph O'Neal here follow O'Neal Rogerio back again for this continued hearing. Thank you for entertaining us for the special. We are here for what was going to be a wrapup but we've gotten another report from the
board of professionals which we're going to need to address Mr. Lmanit. So I'd like to go ahead and address that right now. If I could, I would call up my architect. >> I have >> Can you raise your right hand, please?
>> You swear that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Yes, I do. >> And you were qualified the last time you did, correct? >> Yes. >> So, you remain qualified. Thank you.
>> So we got this report dated yesterday. I just wanted to draw your attention on page two point number seven which is just got a picture there of the front entrance. He was making comments on the improvement in the windows.
>> Joe, could you please pull the microphone a little closer? >> I'm sorry. making comments on uh the improvements there. Could you address the concerns you brought up? >> Yes, I I did look at the report and I'm looking at the photograph that's on page
two of the uh GPI letter. Um what he is saying is that uh we will have a small areaway or or like the escape wells that's going to be attached to the building sort of at the the front right corner of this photograph. um that will
block the sidewalk that's there. Our intention is that um you know there'll still be a space of approximately 3 and 1/2 ft between that areaway and that the existing stair. We're just going to continue with sidewalk over the grass area. So, anyone that needs to access
that stair can kind of go on the the main street or the North Beick sidewalk, turn right, go up a little portion of a paved area, and then access the uh stair that goes to the basement. Um I I think his comment was that it, you know, we
are um the the impervious allowed on this lot is 90%. Uh we're currently exceeding that. uh you know just roughly calculating it before our meeting today uh it was about 98% just be the only
strip of grass on this property is this strip along the front that you're looking at. Um so we would lose you know I don't know maybe 20 square ft of it like a 4T 4T x 5T area. We just felt that was really just a dimminimous thing. The majority of the lot is paved
and you know to add that little bit u wouldn't really uh make any substantial impact. Um you know it would still preserve the access to the to the basement. Um the area way itself I think there was also comment to put a railing. We have no problem with putting the
railing. Um but that's essentially it. If you look at the neighboring property in the same photo, which is 11 North Frederick, that actually comes the main building actually comes to the uh 10-ft setback line and those stairs encroach.
Our building is 15 ft back and even with that um the bump out of the areaway that the areaway itself is about 4T 2T 4T too deep, it still leaves us another 10 in before you get to the 10T set track. So,
even with that, we're we're fine. So, and you know, like I said, we're further back than the neighboring property, which essentially has no grass at all. But, um, >> Mr. Mister, what are the dimensions of window improvement coming in?
>> Could I Did you I didn't hear you. >> What are the dimensions of the window improvement you put in that being requested on this? >> Yes. So, it's 4'2 deep and the width is uh 4'2 plus uh 16 in of of wall
thickness. So, that's uh 5T uh 5'4, I believe. Yeah. So, yeah, it's about 54x 42 small. >> And are we putting any fencing around this?
Yeah, I think there was a comment that, you know, just for fall protection, we got to put some kind of uh little guard rail. >> And how much is that going to take away from the space that is already there? >> No, it's going to be on the wall itself. It'll sit on the the wall of this little
areaway. >> So, it's not going to be flush. It's the common. So, how much is it going to stick out? Do you know >> from from the wall? From the face of the building, it's it's 4 foot2. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> How wide is that sidewalk right there?
It >> It's probably about 4 feet. I I I don't have the exact measurement of that, but it's probably about 4 feet there. >> So, the proposed window well will be closer to the sidewalk than the existing sidewalk, >> right? >> Closer to the public sidewalk than the existing >> essentially it would eat into that grass
a couple of inches. That That's about it. Yeah. >> And this is the only area that you can put this uh the well. >> Yeah. That's really that's the only access because we're, you know, right up against the property line on the left side. The right side is a driveway and you know the back side is another
tenant. So this really the only area to access that. >> And you are putting another another one on the back end. >> Yeah. The there's one in the rear as well. Yeah. >> Okay. >> For the rear tent. >> And will that also have some sort of a fencing around it to to
>> that? We will add fall protection for that as well. >> Forgive me if this was asked previously and I just don't remember in my head, but I'm looking at the plans. Is there not supposed to be two exits for somebody to get out of a >> Right.
>> There's a stair and then the egress well would be the the second exit. >> The Can you explain that a little bit to me? Egress well. >> Well, there's there's currently two exits. There's a there's a stair in the front. There's a stair in the back. >> Yeah. But you're going to have two separate apartments. >> Two separate apartments. And then within each apartment, you would have an egress
uh escape what they call an egress window or escape well. >> Okay. >> Um so, you know, you could physically open that window. So no different than like you know a fire >> bedroom in a basement that you know that's what the the township or the codes would require. So,
>> okay. >> And also, I know there was a a concern over the parking. Uh, have we any information on parking? >> There is still no answer. >> No answer. >> The mayor was considered. That's the
last word I have. >> All right. >> So, you did have a conversation since the last meeting. >> Yeah. But it's >> But no, >> it hasn't gone forward. No. >> Okay. And We do see when we're on Bever Road that
there are there's a pickup truck that's on the property next to it that that they park their truck or I don't see a car. I see a pickup truck when I'm on Beverwick Road. Is that one of the tenants from the building that is putting his his uh vehicle?
>> I do not know. It has been the tenants have been advised. Okay. >> It's municipal property, >> but we're not policing. >> Okay. Are are you asking I can't remember this has dragged on so long
for variance to parking or are you claiming you have parking? >> No, we're asking for variance for all the required parking. >> We don't have >> be on street we have no >> parking no opportunity parking. >> And I believe you you mentioned Mr.
O'Neal that the tenants that are there most of them do not have cars. There's a shopping center next door and there's a shopping center across the street and uh most of your tenants do not have parking. >> That is ouration,
>> but the uh units are not being offered as having no parking. We're just pointing that they'd have to park on the street. >> Is there any regulation to parking overnight on the street? >> No. Okay.
And there's no regulation parking overnight. If you should be in the shopping center, any of the shopping center park >> So if it's snowing, what are they going to do? >> I would imagine they park in shopping center. >> Okay. >> Well, they have to pick that too.
>> Yeah. >> So there's no restriction. >> None. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So you need a use variance, which your planner testified about the last time we were here. >> Yes. You need a bulk variance for imperous coverage. Right?
>> You need a variance. >> You need a you need a variance for not having parking, >> right? >> You need a variance for not having two EV spaces as pointed out. >> To the extent we need a variance, I believe that's probably a waiver from
the state requirement. >> Okay. So I would prefer the board endorse the waiver rather than grant a variance. I think that's probably >> Sure. I would agree. Well, it's in the same section as the parking requirement. So it's in it's it may be a it's a
zoning requirement triggered by the state. So it's still I mean if it was in the zoning ordinance I'd agree with you, but it's in the zoning ordinance. >> Oh, I stand corrected. >> I think there's another issue. It's part of the construction code as well.
>> Mhm. >> So, I'm not sure we can even wave it. >> So, what do we do? >> That's why I thought it was going to be an endorsement line going to the state for the waiver. I get a waiver from the state.
>> Yeah. Right. But I don't think this board concluded. >> No, that that was kind of my conclusion. That's right. Well, you just asked us to wave it, >> but you know we can't. >> So, how do we write it? >> You're you're going to ask us for a variance from the requirement of the
town ordinance, and then you're going to go to the state for whatever waiver might be required from a statutory requirement. >> That's correct. >> Okay. So, we're not this board's not going to address the statutory requirement. Correct. >> Okay.
Are there any questions from our board members? >> Yeah, just on the on the fence around the window well, the window well is for egress, correct? >> Yes. >> Does the fence interfere with that? >> We'd have to put like a gate or you know some kind of mechanism to allow for it
to open up. >> Okay. So, it have to be self-closing so nobody leaves it open. >> Yeah. My understanding is the real reason for these window wells is for the firemen to get into the building as opposed to
people >> I that's what I was going to ask. You know, how easily can a person in in the amongst the what all the chaos that's going on is going to put a chair or something up there high enough to get up
out of the window to get out? >> Well, no. They they the code has specific guidelines on how big they need to be, how deep, how how high off the floor. So as long as you meet those guidelines, it it those guidelines and code has taken into consideration people trying to get out of this whether they I
I personally think it's an egress because that's how it's labeled as an egress window, not a >> you know ingress, I guess. But you know that the code has taken into consideration all those requirements including you know providing some kind of ladder or something to get out. So
Well, that's that if a person is um disabled in any way, has any kind of even if they had their foot operated on that day, there's no way they could get get out of that window. >> Well, that that is a second means of rigorous. That's why we have two, you
know, there's still a proper stair as well that's already there. >> But the fire has no comments. Correct. >> Yeah. Not that I know. Well, when this state develops its codes and the requirements, they take all
these issues. >> You think it's taking in account of fireman going down and in I think they're taking all the appropriate assumptions involved. >> My impression of how they develop these
codes, >> a lot of professionals get in a room. >> Yeah. >> From different states >> and they talk about these exact issues. >> Okay. and they come up with the code >> and it's developed from there. I don't
know if firemen would enter. >> Okay. No matter how big it is, >> firemen are loaded up with a lot of stuff. Are they going to go through that window or they're going to go through a door? I got no >> right >> expert. They might put a hose through there, but they're probably going through a door.
>> Okay. C can you show on that um on the print there where the egress window is? >> Might be hard to see. >> I have it in front of me too, but you just point to the area. >> There's one in the front corner and then one in the rear corner. >> That's the stair or is that the
>> No, the stairs adjacent to it. >> So So the window well and the stairs are basically next to each other. >> No, they're they're the entrances to each Yeah, like if you're in the apartment, they're they're sort of on the opposite sides of each other. Yeah, that's the one apartment and that's the other apartment.
>> But the window well and the stairwell to get in the back apartment seems, if I'm looking at this right, is 4 foot 2 in >> the bottom one. >> No, yeah, but the >> bottom bottom >> the stair goes down and the entrance of the bottom of the stairs is sort of the
left side and then >> Okay. But >> but if you're you're basically going to try to get out a burning building on the same side, >> you can't get out the stairwell. I would imagine >> again I'm not an expert in firefighting but >> I concerned for safety of anybody living
in there I guess on the same wall >> correct >> it would meet the requirements of that >> the requirements to actually happen >> your plan >> with a 813 24 is that is that the one that's up there
>> I'm sorry >> is that the plan that's up on the easel is that the one 813 Are there other window wells also on the um on the left hand side? >> Those are just like they're they're not >> they're not egress. >> Yeah. They're just like little metal
>> no windows. >> Gotcha. They're not loud lighting. Yeah. >> Between the units is going to be maintained. Isn't that right, Mr. Mister? >> Uh no, that is that is closed. I mean it's >> Yes. I'm sorry. What was the question
and the answer? Was are the door is the door between the units being maintained? >> No, there the proposal was to close that door, but if feels like we should have that as a safety door, then we could allow it to remain and make it just a
fire door that's locked or >> only for fire department access. >> A door now between the two closing that. >> Yes. >> And these are studios, right? There's no >> Yes, it's a studio apartment. But you are putting a full kitchen and a
full bathroom. >> Yes. >> Into these units. >> It just doesn't have a separate bedroom. >> There any other questions from the board? >> Would someone like to frame? >> Oh, we have questions from the audience on
this application and the testimony that has been given. I see none. Anyone want to speak in favor? >> Anyone would like to speak in favor of this application? I see. >> Would a member like to frame? >> Could we just go over Yes.
>> exactly what we're approving? >> Yes, please. >> So, we approving use. >> Okay. We're approving bulk. >> Yes. Uh parking variances. >> No parking. >> No parking.
>> There's no parking provided. And that's it. >> And the EV coverage, >> we've increased it >> at the minimous amount, >> right? >> And the EV you're saying is part of it.
>> Well, I think this should be addressed. >> Okay. >> The EV parking is >> correct, Mr. Leman. Is actually in the ordinance. >> M didn't respond. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Mr. O'Neal, because the township
hasn't responded to your request to purchase the small piece of property that's adjacent. Um, will you be continuing to pursue this so that it can help this application? >> My clients want to pursue it. They think
that it's something that would improve the property. So, I'm going to continue to ask. Now, we've been asking this administration for four years. My late partner, Bob Gafalo, actually had a meeting four years ago with Mary
Barbario about this. So, I'm going to pursue this with the new administration and see what they want to say, but that would be just a sight. Would you be willing to postpone a decision on
this and till the new administration gets in place and see whether there's any progress? >> I would prefer to get the approval. Try to get the approval. >> That's not what I That's not what I asked. >> Of course you would.
>> I I think it's I think it's >> the board is asking. It's not a great It's not a great application in my opinion and taking that off the board might help. >> Can I have a moment to confir >> please please do Joe Mr. pencil pencil
issue. It's always been >> Yes, I agree. the first. Thank you. >> Thank you for that opportunity to confer with my clients. after conferring with them. Um they've expressed to me their
concerns in waiting and the main concern of course is the new administration is coming in with a lot on their plate. We're not sure what their time's going to be to address an issue like this. So we're not sure how long to carry
something like this seeing as how the last administration wouldn't act on it in its entirety the entirety of their term. So for that reason we would like to proceed this evening with the bill. >> Have you thought of asking the board to
extend a few months? >> Well opposed to indefinite way to know what the new administration is going to do. >> I mean this cannot be that big a deal for them >> coming in. Of course not. But I think
it's amazing application. Well, I recognize that, but my clients uh would like to get >> maybe if we hold the board. >> I was going to suggest maybe the board could go into a conference and and >> I would appreciate that.
>> I think that would be helpful. So, >> no >> members of conference on this application. >> Mr. Chairman, I move that we move into conference. >> Second, please. All in favor? >> I.
>> All opposed. >> No. Mayor Betty Lou. >> Um I I can cannot support the application. Um I have concern with the overuse of space, the fire safety, and the parking. >> Sach. Yeah, I think um uh I I understand
the application, but I just want more details on the safety of the fire thing that came from the eress window part, but otherwise it's a fair ask. >> Mr. Burkowitz. >> Um I'm in favor of it.
>> Okay, Mr. Josh. >> Uh right now I'm leading no. I think I need a little bit more clarity. I'm not sure you could just park in someone else's parking lot because you want to even though there's a ton of spots. I would want some clarification on that.
And I think the fire egress is something to clear up. >> Well, the fire egress window fire company is that something >> you assume yes, but we've had applications in the past where for whatever reason we didn't get a response from them.
>> Now that might clear us. I don't know. Imagine the the the codes that they're in place for. >> That might be true, but the parking is the real stickler for me. >> I mean, that that's really another board, but another department's uh
concern to look over all these things. >> I don't think it's as a major issue as you're as you're considering it. >> As far as the parking goes, that's just the nature of Lake Awaka. It's all all along Lake Iwa. That's why they park on
the street. >> I hear you, but we kind of gave them an ounce to go and give us a little delay. Go to the new mayor. Maybe he's going to be a little bit more responsive. >> We're not asking how long we've already delayed these people. How long are you going to delay them? >> Well, they're asking for the variance.
>> That's not my problem. I don't want to make be totally. How long do you want? I would say if the mayor gets sworn in in January, if you give them to April, give them a quarter to get in there and try to get 3 months we can get an answer. Just give us an answer to basically want to to postpone
this for 6 months. >> Well, it's really four. We're in December. Let the mayor get in, get a couple months under his belt. >> Should be a yes or no at this point. >> That's my feeling. I, you know, it's just me.
>> Thank you, Mr. Ready. Yeah, I understand it is a hardship. Uh, however, when it comes to safety and uh especially parking issues, it's better to try to go with the township and get the
appropriate approvals if we have to. >> Mr. Berelli, >> I I won't bel everybody else said, but I'm in agreement with the parking situation and obviously I brought up the fire thing. So whether the fire department didn't look at it or it's okay, I don't know. Um but the parking
situation is still a parking situation and I know we hear enough about uh issues uh in Lake Hayawa from every outlet you can. Um so we should probably get that cleared up before I would vote yes. I I won't do that.
>> Thank you. I I have to agree with my board members, Mr. O'Neal. Um the parking is an issue. Um and the fire fire hazard possibly. Uh and with the new administration coming in, perhaps they will be a little bit more um
acceptable to sell this property so that your client can have uh the parking facilities, whether it be four or six parking spaces. Um I think that's I think that would be fair. uh if we can delay this 6 months hopefully the new
administration will be able to come to some decision you could speak with them and um you'll have an answer hopefully within a six-month period and that's what I'm suggesting that we postpone for 6 months >> well can I get the four months that was
suggested April and if I haven't heard from him by April I'll write Miss Jolie letter 11 >> fine that's fine that's fine yes And Miss Jolie, I'm sorry, but um Santosh came. He's present. >> Yes.
>> All right. So, what do we do then? >> So, do you want to carry till later? >> Ask to carry to an available April date with all extensions through the end of April. Have >> we come out of conference? You need to >> Yes, we have to come out of conference. >> I move we come out of conference.
>> Second. >> All All in favor? >> I All opposed. See none. Nora, may we have a date in April for this application to be carried? >> Have April 8th and April 22nd. >> Well, April 8th.
>> Well, that's for you. >> Can we do this? Do you want to do a special seven for this or a regular? >> Let's do a seventh. Is everyone in agreement with the seven members? >> Sure, that's fine. >> Yeah, seven is fine. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. >> Thank you. And we have Junior to adjourn the 7:00 meeting. >> Motion to >> Motion to adjourn the 7:00 meeting, please. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> All opposed. >> Okay. We're back on record. >> Good evening and welcome to the meeting of the township of participating Troy Hills Board of Adjustment. It is Wednesday, December 3rd, 2025, and it is 7:31 p.m. Announcement is made that
adequate notice of this meeting has been given and that it is being conducted in accordance with NJSA 104-6 at sect of the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Roll call. Mr. Burkowitz
>> here. >> Miss Dra. >> Mr. here. >> Mr. Maserella >> here, >> Mr. Petty >> here, >> Mr. Ready >> present. >> Chairwoman Grani >> present. >> We also have our board planner, Mr. Chadwick, our board engineer, Mr.
Lmanoitz, and our board attorney, Mr. Johnson. >> Yes. Open to the public. >> Meeting is open to the general public. Is there anyone here that would like to speak on something other than what is on our agenda for the evening? I see none.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um I'd like to make an announcement, please, before we start our 7:30 meeting. A member of this board for many years, Dave Willins, has retired.
uh he was an integral part of this board for many years. He served this community and this board and I wish him well. Um >> second >> yes let's >> second
>> he was and he will be missed. Um, we do have a new member, uh, Sandra Neglia, uh, who is with us this evening and, uh, she will be sworn in. >> Can you raise your right hand, please?
I, Sandra Neglia, >> I, Sandra Neglia, >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> and that I will bear true faith and
allegiance to the same. >> And that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. >> and to the government established in the United States. and to the governments established in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people.
>> So help me God. >> So help me God. I do further solemnly swear >> I do further solemnly swear >> that I will impartially >> that I will impartially >> and justly >> and justly >> perform all the duties >> excuse me >> perform all of the duties >> of the office of board of adjustment
regular member township of Pipony Troy Hills >> of the office of board of adjustment regular member township of symphony Troy Hills >> according to the best of my ability >> according to the best of my ability >> so help me guide >> so help me guide >> thank You got the same thing.
627 37 was the last one >> is the bottom >> we have we got the same >> yes different it's posted differently uh
welcome Sandra Thank you. >> Nora, would you please uh read the resolutions? Okay. Um please. Okay. Um application 2527 uh Neoth 289 Allentown Road. Those who
can vote are Burkowitz, Josh, Petty, Ready, and Griani. Can I have a motion? >> Motion. >> Move. >> Second. >> Burglitz. >> Yes. >> Josh, >> yes. >> Petty, >> yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Briani, >> yes. >> Application 2543.
Barathi and Lakota 23 Granada Drive. Uh, those who can vote. Uh, Burkowitz, Dro, Josowitz, Petty, Ready, and Grani. Can I have a motion? >> Motion. Second. >> Burkowitz. >> Yes. >> Dro. >> Yes. Dascowitz. >> Yes.
>> Petty? >> Yes. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Gyani. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Miss Jolie. >> So, Miss Jolie, on the first agenda item, did you get correspondence on that as consenting to the scheduling in January? Right.
>> Yes, I did. >> Okay. So, I think all the board has to do is just move to adjourn it from tonight to that January 28th date. Correct. What date is that? January >> January 28th. >> Was that the right date? That's the right date, right?
>> That is the correct date. Um, >> and we also have a March date, I believe. We also have a March date. Um, March 25th. Um, did we want to begin the meeting at 5:30? >> Oh, right. Was there a consensus on that?
>> Whatever you need. because I I think the discussion that the board had the last time was that if if you didn't do larger board meetings for that application, you you you probably the entire 2026 to deal with them.
>> And for the general public, the application we're speaking of is the Islamic Community Cultural Center at 879 South Bevwick Road in in Paripity. Uh so are we in consensus for the 5:30 rather than five
Everybody's in agreement with that. >> Do we need a motion? >> Motion. >> Motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> So, right now, you're scheduling just the January 28th date. >> All right. And you'll be >> We're approved for both dates.
>> No, let's we're doing both. Let's do both dates. >> We're approved for both at Pipany High School. >> What What about if it is finished on January 28th? >> Then you don't have to be here. Motion. >> Okay. Let's hope let's hope that's the case. Let's hope that's the case. Okay.
>> Thank you, Mr. >> So, we're going 5:30 to 10. >> 5:30 to 10 >> on January 28th. >> Pack of lunch. >> Lunch to be cated. >> It's going to be cated. Yeah. Right. Um
>> Okay. All right. You do >> application 2546. Tabaja 129 Northfield Road block 224 lot 6 zone R3 a C variance to construct a first floor addition second floor addition
front covered porch front stairs and open deck with stairs contrary to section 430-35 columns 5 10 and 13 and section 430-101 one. >> Good evening.
>> Raise your right hand, please. You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth of the whole chief. >> You could sit down. Make sure you're close to the microphones. Okay. And then can you just identify yourselves, state
your name, and spell your last name? >> My name is Al Chromadia. >> Sorry, you have to put the microphone into the uh into the microphone to be louder. >> My name is Al Chromadia. P R A M B A B I Y A I live in Pipani 22 years ago and
129 Northfield Road Pasipani, New Jersey. >> And how do I pronounce your last name, sir? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Hi, my name is Roshan Roshania. R O S H A N T R A M B A T I Y.
>> Thank you. And here's my cousin just supporting me. Sometime I have a issue with speaking. >> Could you please tell us what you would like to do? What is your application in reference to? >> So I'm uh putting a extra um
I'm adding uh the backyard uh to a little bit living space uh for my elderly parents. Uh is living with me now. Um and I'm just want to take care of them. So I need a little bit more space in the house. Plus uh me and my wife both are working from home and so
we need a like a private uh space for the work from home when we have conference and everything. So we're just adding uh the room underneath uh the backyard. >> Can everyone hear what this gentleman is saying? >> Thank you. Continue.
>> Thank you. Do before I I sorry, but are you aware of the October 7th, 2025 memo from the township engineer? Did you get that? >> October 7th. Uh yes, for the >> the water uh the the storm water
management stuff. Yes, I done. >> Have you talked to anybody about how to address the issues raised in that letter? >> Yes, I went to the township uh department in um engineering department and I spoke with Paul and uh he's so he's giving me uh
dimension and the area and all the other application to filled out and I'm working with my uh uh engineer to do that well uh the water storm stuff. >> Okay. But have you had plans drawn up to address those issues that you've then
presented to the township engineer? >> No. So township already uh gave me the plan that uh whatever they agreed um I'll do that portion. >> Okay. So is it your intent to have plans drawn up and then have those reviewed by
the township engineer? >> Yes. Correct. >> Okay. Typically, when this issue comes up, the board would like to have the opport give you the opportunity to finish those plans, present them to the township engineer, and then come back to
this board once the township engineer has had a chance to review those plans so that they're comfortable that you're going to be able to address the issues raised in that memo. >> Yes. So, basically, I did uh talk to Paul and uh he already reviewed our plan
and everything. Basically, it's not reviewed. Uh he told me the plan that how I supposed to do that and I just need to get the drawing uh to get him to uh review it again. Okay. >> Basically, so he do you want some time to finish that drawing to get it to the
township engineer before the board acts on your application? Cuz I'm sure the board would be much more comfortable granting your application if they knew that the township engineer reviewed and approved those plans. >> Yeah, I'm working on that. So basically um if you can uh because uh they told us
like it will take a little bit longer time to get that drawings and everything's uh done but he did provide me the entire uh the structures and applications that I need to fill out. Great >> and uh the calculation wise and I should be uh good with that. >> Okay. So,
>> so do you want to come you, like I said, the board would probably be much more comfortable with your application if you came back after you presented those plans to the township engineer. So, is that something that you want to do? You want to come back on another day after
the township engineer has a chance to review those plans? Yeah, where I can do that but is a way that we can do like uh if you can just possibly approve it and I can work with that plan as well and sideways before >> the problem with doing that >> is that first we'd like to hear what
you're doing but you are saying you agree to something you have no idea what it's going to cost you. So, we want you to know what it's going to cost you before you commit because we wouldn't approve it without that condition. And some of us might be hesitant to approve
it before we know what you're going to do. >> Yes. So, uh Paul did mention about the how much will cost that total uh which is uh more than 10 10 to 15 grand. So as I putting my application and my extended
of course I I also look out that portion that if I'm able to uh comfortable to do otherwise I would I would not go this process all the way alone spending some money for no reason. >> But that's only part of it. The other part is that we really like to see it >> we'd like to see the drawing and the
approval from the uh from the water department for your storm water management. >> Okay. So, we'd like you to consider carrying this case and then when you have your drawings, come back at the date that will be
announced this evening and we will look at your application again and the storm water management drawings that have been done. In in addition to that issue, you're pretty far over on impervious cover,
>> which contributes to water issues, but you're allowed 30% and you're almost at 43, which is something I think you ought to consider when you're getting these plans together
in terms of the apron to the pool or some of the other uh impervious coverages you have. And the other item is that shed that's in the easement. Was that there when did you just buy this house?
>> Uh I bought it on uh 20 >> shed was there when you bought it? >> I'm sorry. >> Shed was there when you bought it? >> Yes. shed, pool, everything was there uh when I bought it the house. >> The deck was >> The deck was there as well.
>> Is the shed in good shape? >> I'm sorry. >> Is the shed in good shape? >> Yeah, I just uh changed that because uh the shade and my front uh the steps and everything was broken and it wasn't good condition. So, we're going to waited
that to give us a good condition basically. But the deck is still not good uh that condition that much. So when we renovate the house, we'll also do the deck as well. >> So you want to come back in another date?
>> Yeah, I can. >> Okay. So you're asking the board to carry your application to give you a chance to finalize your storm water management plans? >> Yeah. >> You're granting the board extensions to make their decision. Correct. >> Correct. >> He wants to do anything for them.
Did you replace that shed? >> Yeah, because my shed was uh the metal one. >> Well, >> and it was broken. >> So, did you get a permit for it? >> No, I didn't know that. >> Well, now you do. And the problem with
it is it's one, it doesn't comply with zoning, but a bigger problem is you're in a drainage easement. And the drainage e easements are to the township. And I'm not sure can we grant a variance
to a drainage easement? I don't think so. >> No. >> So >> he has to show this to the uh engineering department. >> What's this? Stick frame shed you made. >> Oh, sorry. >> Just a stick frame. It's
>> a wooden wood shed. Just a wood shed. You slide it over. >> Can you move it? Can you move the shed from where it is? >> Yeah. Right now you're in an easement. If the township >> I'm surprised it wasn't called out in the reports, but it wasn't.
>> But I could >> It was there. The the concrete and everything was there underneath. the fact that it was there. Uh the you didn't get a permit once you took the old one down
and that's an issue. But you would have never gotten a permit anyway because you're in the easement. >> You know what the easement is? >> Yeah. You know what it is? >> Taking the property someone else. >> No. The town has the right because it's
a a drainage that you can't build the top of it. into >> and they did. >> Is there any pipe in that easement? >> No. >> You know, no man, >> there's nothing. Uh behind the shed after like 5 to 6 ft away uh in the
corner, there's a drainage there like uh the main drainage. >> It's still great. >> What is that indication that pump favors next to the shed? >> So I have a pool. Uh so that's the pump area for the pool. Oh, that's where the
equipment is. >> The water filter and uh >> all that stuff. Yeah. Okay. >> John, what does he got to do? >> He'd have to totally move it. >> I because >> he has to move it from the area that How many does he have to move it?
>> He could probably probably twist it and squeeze it in between his equipment, pool equipment, and the that he's behind. still be tight. >> Yeah, it'll be very >> probably over >> but but this board's not being asked to
address that shed. >> He's not asking for a variance on that shed. He's not asking for permission on the shed. >> Well, it contributes to the coverage. >> It does contribute to the coverage, but he's he's not asking for relief from this board for that shed.
>> And if we know something's wrong, >> we don't have to act on it. Well, he's not asking for a var. It's a it's he he could potentially be subject to a zoning violation issue. >> So, in his best interest, should he
>> get >> it would be wise for him to address the issue one way or the other? >> Exactly. >> Before he runs a foul of the zoning department with respect to that shed. >> Yeah. >> And you have the same issue with your dry boy. Lovely.
>> Now, I don't think that's real critical because it looks like you've got a pretty wide driveway back there. >> So, you had to shave off a little bit of it. >> All of which would help you out on your >> stom water. But I didn't want you to
leave tonight and all of a sudden talk to you in a month or so and say, "Why didn't you tell me about this before?" So, we've done >> when I purchased the house, it was everything everything was there. I just renovated everything. >> Yes, we we understand that. But because
you have the the easement and the shed is on the easement, that's not permitted. Even though you replaced it and it was there before, it is not permitted. >> It's something you might want to talk to the township engineer about. At the same time, you're talking to him about the other issues,
>> not just storm water. >> The person before you may have put it up there without a permit. And unfortunately it rolls downhill. >> So right now you're asking the board to carry the application. Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Miss Julie, we're carrying it to
February 11. >> Anything you have to say? >> Uh I just wanted to confirm like we need to address two things. Uh like the first one we need to address with the engineer with the engineering department. We need to build a plan for the storm water >> and the second one is the the new issue
which we just learned about about the things. Those are the two thing we need to take care before we come back. Correct. >> And and in a context of cuz John brought up is that the impervious coverage which is the property which the water cannot pass through. if they could if you could
come up with a plan to maybe decrease the request for the amount of property that is covered by whatever that will not let water pass through it and that would be something maybe you could talk to the engineer about or not but
>> I would also throw that in there. Okay. >> Don't forget about the driveway encroachment on the as well. >> I mean at some juncture you're going to sell this house. Whoever does the due diligence on this house is going to ask you, did you get a variance to encroach
on the easements? And if the answer is going to be no, it's going to be one of two problems. You're going to have to come back and see us >> or the guy's going to walk away. >> And either way, you don't want to go there again. >> So, it's your best interest to take care of it now before you
>> usual reasons. >> Yeah. I I think cutting the pavement off the driveway is probably the first real positive thing you have going for you or would have going for
you to uh prevail on variances. The shade I think you got to got to figure out how to move it around. >> So for the driveway like uh >> you just need to shave a little piece off the >> Oh, just to make it a little smaller. the on your survey you'll see it
encroaches on the ement that piece that's in the easement which looks like maybe four or five feet or worse >> it tapers down to nothing as you get back to the street it's something you should probably discuss with your professionals your architect your engineer you should probably discuss all
these things with the people that you've hired to help you with that >> your engineer your architect okay >> but is so like even if the house already built on those kind There is then what are we going to have to do about that?
>> We the board can't really tell you what to do. They can tell you what the problems are, but you have an architect, you have an engineer. >> My suggestion is that you talk to those people about the issues that have been raised and come up with a solution. They also have zoning, >> right?
>> And and you're going to talk to the township engineer, but you have you're paying professionals to help you with this. I would suggest that you talk to them. Madam Chair, I could just comment. Um the application is for uh a variance for
a building coverage, but I don't see any building plans here. Uh the chart suggests that the building is going to the addition is going to be taller than the existing house, but we don't again we don't have any plans to see what this thing looks like or how the height was
measured. So I'm guess I'm wondering if are we going to see architectural plans so we can see what this building is going to look like a dimensioned plan because again all I have is I it's it's prepared by an architect but it's basically just a plot. It doesn't show
the building and how it's dimensioned. I submit the plan to the the zoning department the entire plan. I don't know why you guys not receiving, but I have like one shot. >> This is the only one that was in when was in the packs.
>> Before you come back the next time, >> make sure that your full set of building plans and the correct number of copies are submitted to the board secretary. >> Okay. >> All right, Miss Jolie, may we have a uh
a date, please? >> February 11th. >> February 11th. Correct. >> 2025. >> Oh, yes. I'm I'm not uh I'm not ready for 2026. >> Need a motion. >> May I have a motion, please?
>> Motion second. >> All in favor? >> I come back February 28th. >> Talk to your AR 26th. I know. I'm sorry. February 11th. >> February the 11th, 2000. We're all getting >> Okay. >> Make sure you talk to your architect,
talk to your engineer, >> submit all the plans. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Good evening. >> Application 257. Gutterhorn 6 Harden Court block 734 lot 323
zone R-3A RCA for a C variance to legalize a PA patio frontwalk driveway expansion and two PA areas around tree contrary to section 460-35
column 4 and section 430 30-275X. Good evening. >> Could you raise your right hands, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> You can sit down. I'll make sure the microphones are close. Okay.
>> And just explain to the board um what it is that happened that caused you to come before the board tonight. So uh we want to do uh a paper as far as we did a paper to 80% of the paper is done
because to be honest with you I did not I did not know that we need we need a permit uh for a paper. So uh the town engineer they s they saw that and they said uh you guys have permit then that
one. So I talked to engineers and uh the zoning uh uh the proportion of these papers are not hearing but just go to to to the board and get here. Okay. That's why
they said to me so you guys I'm sure you have it on your >> So you started the project and then found out that you needed a permit. Yes. >> And then found out that you needed a variance. >> A variance. Yeah. And uh the reason I
put right there by the variance over there is uh because we get a little bit shade. This uh paper we do we we have it over there. It's just for summer you only. And unfortunately when the summer
comes is very strong uh heat and my mother my mom she lived with us. So it's mostly for her. She's 9 years old. So we take care of it there and uh we we put channel in there. It's uh based on the
discussion we have it's not huge with zoning and with engineer when uh when I discussed it's not huge the area we just in little portion that's what we have comparing with the whole lot we have over there. >> Okay. So you expand you want to expand your driveway.
>> Yeah. >> And why do you need it to expand the driveway? Alpha is not more of expanding the the the driveway. It's a walkway. So the the drive you see the picture and next to it you guys see the paper. So uh
where where the paper I have was just I had uh a bushes at least and it keep over growing and all those things. So just maintaining is just become too much. So, uh, I have a paver there.
>> We've got a driveway expansion on the left side of the driveway. >> So, >> and a walkway on the right side of the driveway. Is that right? >> No, >> I'm looking at your plan. >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, the in the middle there is the driveway. We have on this
side we have a paper and this side we have a paper. The paper in this side is like what? Like about about 6 ft to 7 ft wide. That is a walkway straight to the house. when you see it on that on the other side was just a plant uh we had a
plant divider. So instead of just it's always uh the weeds grown up and all those things and our uh now we start doing medication and all those things in front of his house. So to make it looks nice. So we made a paper and the trees
are there but they're circle like if you see there like circle the trees comes out but around it is a paper so it's more clean to give it more a clean look that's on the left side of the drive >> on the left side. Yeah. Just to give >> the trees are still there. Everything's
still there. You just went around. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> And are the pavers that you use are they set in such a way that water goes once between the stones? >> Yes. Is it cement or it is concrete or is it like >> it's not cement? No,
>> that means there's open it. >> Yeah, you're supposed to get that doesn't have a coverage. >> Yeah, but is it like a fancy? >> Yeah, it's just to make it a little bit fancy. The neighbors like it to be honest you one of the one of the
neighbor yesterday he said do I need to come over there? Only if you have objective say why you you beautify the the the place well we have objection so uh everybody supported from the neighbor at least so just more
of a ter that's >> we did not dig too much down >> literally just sh the >> and you you also one last question you you added pavers around the trees in the front
Yes. >> Why did you do that? >> That's the same thing as as for aesthetic only aesthetic wise. >> Keep the mine back everything together. >> Yes. And uh we talked to the engineer and he said based on the size of that we put the paper
it's it's not too much just get a I'm guessing okay with with a >> Did you see the town engineers report about getting a street opening from it? That's where you put the uh you widen the driveway a little bit.
>> Uh so it's it's really it's not wide. Are you going to get that permit? >> There's a letter October the 16th from the engineering department and one of his comments is the right-of-way opening
permit for the work completed in the right of way and may need to provide documentation that work was completed in accordance with township standards. It's item number three. Did you see this letter? >> I did not see that. Uh
>> here's a copy. And just so you can understand, you don't have any choice in getting that permit. You you wouldn't have had to come to this board to get a permit for the driveway if it met zoning. But it
didn't. But if you if it did, you would just go to the engineering department and get that permit. And you'd have to get it. If you're out there digging in the street and they come by, they're going to sight you, which you don't want that to happen.
>> So the the answer to that for me is yes, you got to get that. >> Yes. >> So he has to he has to add to what he already has. >> You have to comply. So >> yes, definitely definitely. >> Okay. I mean the minute to be after we
did that uh the when the the town when they came they they came around not to even to my house they came to do inspecting other houses so they have their but next to my house so they saw that and they said
>> oh you that's why you're here that's why we understand and immediately >> I want to comply with all things immediately I have to start the work whatever is not done and I just
I complete all the works and give to I talk to Rob Mike everybody so all of them are okay but >> so you didn't finish this yet it's just in process that >> 80% is done 20% left I I stopped it the minute you said no it's supposed to stop
this you stop that so still there >> is honest >> we have any questions from the board. >> Any member of the audience would like to question or have questions of this applicant on the testimony only that he
has given this evening? I see none. Is there anyone in favor of this application? I see none. Would one of our members like to um >> Yeah, I think this is uh dimminimous in nature.
uh you know what you have to do and I will be voting uh in favor. So application >> on the condition that he applies >> that he that he gets the road opening permit. >> Yes. Thank you. Application 25 col 57
Tamaru Getan 6 Harden Court block 734 lot 3.23 to three zone R-3A RCA recommend granting a C variance to legalize a PA patio frontwalk driver expansion and two PA areas around tree
contrary to sections 460-35 column 4 and section 430-275.x with uh agreeing to get the road opening permit. >> Second, >> yes. >> Bowit, >> yes. Dross. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Mozzarella, >> yes. >> Neglia, >> yes. >> Patty, >> yes. >> Ratty, >> yes. >> Grani, >> yes. Good evening. You will be notified and at that time you could go get your uh permits.
>> Okay. Lots of luck. Application 25 col 62 H neb Corp 9 Enon Road block 202 lot 9 zone ED5 a C variance for a signage
even madam chairwoman members of the board counselor madam secretary Charles Sorlo on behalf of the applicant HNV the cooperation. >> Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth? >> State your name. Spell your last name, please. >> Danielle Wilson. W I L S O N. >> You can have a seat. >> Good evening, members of the board. Uh so the application before you is for block 202 lot 9 9 road.
It's zoned uh sed-5-3. And the nature of the matter before you is for a business identification sign to be located on the facade um of the building. The variance that is being sought is the height off of the ground.
The zoning code requires a maximum of 25 ft height. um what is being proposed is a 38 ft height. Um if you're familiar with the building and we do exhibits submitted with the application, we do have additional colored copies here if any board member wants uh you know a
fresh copy. Um but if you're familiar with the building, it's kind of what we call a ribbon building. It's a facade. There's windows or open space in another facade. So the bounting is either on one facade uh or on a lower facade separated by the windows or the um or the or the
open space. So um there's like you know two or three areas only in terms of the the height in which to um mount this particular sign. I have um two witnesses with me uh this evening. Uh one is um Danielle Wilson who's just been sworn in. She is a rep of the manufacturer
called Take Form who prepared um the uh exhibits as relates to the sign. So she'll be testifying as a fact witness as related to the proposed signage, the size, the colors, etc., etc. And then I do have a professional planner with me to justify the variance. It's not height
variance off of the ground. Not necessary height variance on the sides of the sign. Then that would be Marcela Trainer um who is a professional planner with Stonefield Engineering. So, if there's no procedural questions, I'd like to have uh my first witness who has already been sworn in. So, uh Miss
Miss Wilson, uh you are the the drawings. Does anybody need another copy of the drawings? By the way, they all >> the copy that we have. Is that the one we're speaking of? >> Two pages. >> Two pages.
>> Thank you. >> So, Uh this Wilson the uh the drawings that um the board members have that show they have front and back we have uh two pages. One is um one is uh the proposed
signage um with a date of uh 92624 with a revised date of 3 March 3rd 2025. Um, and the second is a rendering of the uh front facade of the building and the proposed location uh where the signage
would be with the same dates and revision dates. Were these drawings either prepared by yourself or under your direction? >> Yes. >> Okay. And you're fully familiar with the contents of these two drawings? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, can you uh explain to the board members of what is being proposed?
>> Yep. So, um we are proposing H&T's logo on the facade of the building. They are facelit channel letters, aluminum construction. The vinyl graphics on the face of the sign, when the lights are on, they will appear white. When the
lights are off, they will appear black. Called daytime, nighttime vinyl. Um, the letters themselves will be attached to the facade using masonry screws. The electrical will be ran into the building and the power supply will be mounted
into the ceiling. you just go through the uh the size of the sign and the the dimensions. >> The letters themselves are 48 in tall. The width for the full logo is 172.87 in wide. We are proposing that from
grade to the bottom of the letters they be mounted at 38 ft off of grade. And yeah, >> so it'll be 42 ft to the top. >> Yes. >> Are these lights planned to be on all
the time? >> No, not to my knowledge. That's why we have the daylight um vinyl on them. They will go on at a certain time at night, a certain time in the morning. I don't know what those hours are. Um but they will appear black during the day and
then white at night. Well, that was my question. Are they going to be wiped the entire evening hours? >> They will be wiped evening hours. Yes. >> 24 hours. >> Nobody's going. >> Nope. Evening hours. >> And this is the
>> There's no one over there. >> This little commercial. >> What What is that like business hours? Like what? What are the business hours? >> I don't know. I mean, it's a it's a it's >> by 10:00 they're closed. >> You know, it's it's a corporate
engineering firm. Uh very large corporate engineering firm. So, it's a professional business office. I mean, >> they're out of there by 600 7:00, >> right? 7:00 they got a project. Maybe someone's in there still until whatever 910, but typically 600 7:00 they're going to be gone. >> And there's no residential area anywhere
close. >> Correct. >> Correct. We have a professional. Okay. Also, >> this and it wouldn't make any sense putting the sign in the middle. It's not high enough. No one will see it. trees could block it. >> Correct. >> Okay.
>> You have any questions from the board here? >> No. >> Do you have any further questions of your witness? I do not. >> Is there anyone in the audience that has questions of this witness on her testimony only? I see none. >> Anyone?
>> That's it. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Missing. >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony date you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, or nothing but the truth? >> Can you state your name, spell your last name, please? >> Sure. My name is Marchina. Last name T R
A I N. >> You can have a seat. >> Thank you. >> M. trainer, before we get into marketing some exhibits that you have and um get into your expert testimony, I'd like to qualify you as an expert in the field of professional planning for the benefit of
members of the board. Can you please state your credentials? >> Absolutely. Uh so I'm a licensed professional planner in the state of New Jersey. I'm also a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners. Both my license and certification are in good standing. I received my bachelor's degree from Ruckers University and I have been
accepted as an expert witness to four dozens of other land use boards throughout the state of New Jersey. >> You're acceptable. Strainer is expert field of professional planning. >> She's acceptable. Thank you, counselor. Okay. Um Miss Traina, before you start your testimony, you have um one exhibit
that was not included with the application. Is that correct? >> Yes, that's correct. And it's uh one and we're going to we have copies for all the board members, but it's um one sheet of paper with a date of >> December 2nd, 2025. >> December 2nd, 2025. And it is of four uh
four photographs of various office office buildings that have their addresses uh superimposed. >> Yes, that's correct. >> Okay. And um these photographs were taken December 2nd, 2025. >> I believe they were taken last week. >> Last week. Okay. And did you take them?
Were somebody from your office take them? >> Someone from my office. >> Okay. And uh based on your their representation to you or your knowledge, do they accurately depict um the uh conditions of these buildings? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I'd like to have this uh marked as exhibit A-1. Let's hand out to
board members. >> Sure. Could just write that and write the date on it and just give one copy to Norah with the with that marking. Is that too please? All right. So, uh we're here this evening seeking seed variance relief for
the proposed height of the wall sign. Uh the site is located within the specialized economic development zone where this use is permitted. Uh, and the zoning ordinance requires the that no wall sign be higher than 25 ft from the ground, whereas we are proposing the sign to be 38 feet from the ground. As
you can see on this photo exhibit, the subject site is featured at the top corner. Um, and as you can see, there is an existing wall sign that's located at the top of the building facing the parking lot. That is an identification sign. Uh, what we're proposing will generally match the height and location
of that existing sign, but just on a different facade of the building. Uh this is the most practical and appropriate location for the sign given the architectural features of the building. That being said, it's my opinion that the granting of this areas will not cause any substantial detriment to the public good nor the zoning
ordinance. I believe what we are proposing promotes good civic design and arrangement aligning with MLO purpose I. Uh it also promotes goal number five the master plan which is to preserve and enhance the township's professional office areas. And ultimately I believe that with this variance can be granted
under the C2 benefits first criteria of the statute means that the benefits of the overall project don't outlay any potential judments in which I really don't see any here. We're not located um near any residential homes. Uh where we're proposing is not going to impact
any residential areas. Um, and again, I think the the the height that we're proposing is generally going to match a lot of the other um office buildings in the in the general area. >> And those um those office buildings are what has been marked as exhibit 8-1. Do
you want to quickly go through that? >> Yes. So, uh this exhibit, as you can see on the top left corner, that's 9 road. That is the subject site. And you can see on that photograph that we have the identification sign um at the the top of the building there. We also have seven
Silven Way uh where you can see um you know the the signage at the upper corner of the building as well as one Silven Way and 8 Silven Way. Again, they're all really very similar in terms of where they are placing their wall signs. >> And these these buildings are all within the 2 to three minute drive of the
subject. >> I have I have a question on uh 9 Way 9 Road the building. Are you going to keep the uh the sign for the address or is that coming down? >> Yes. So, the sign that you can see on this photo here, it's on a different
facade of the building. So, we're proposing a sign that's going to essentially face the front of the building. This is facing the parking lot. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I have no further questions for Mr.
>> Do we have any questions of the board? I guess our only question is the time that it's going to be turned off. >> It I don't think that really affects them because it's commercial. There's no residential. >> No one there. >> So, it doesn't matter.
>> If they want to pay a higher electric bill, why should we care? >> Do we have anyone in the audience that would like to speak against this application and the testimony that has just been given? I see none. Is there
anyone in favor of this application? I see none. Would one of our members like to frame a resolution, please? >> This is the minimous in nature. Oh, sorry. >> Well, if you want to go ahead, >> this is the minimus in nature. It affects nobody.
>> I'll be voting for it. >> Thank you. >> Do you like that one? >> Second. >> Second. What do you >> Okay. Application 2562 H&T NTB Court 9 Anon Road block 202 lot
9 zone sed- recommend granting a C varian for signage >> secondeditz >> yes >> yes >> yes >> mozzarella >> yes >> yes >> yes
>> ready >> yes >> yes patient need to approve time pixelation. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. That's one >> application 24 column
colon 37 tanker 16 North Bever Road block 452 I'm sorry 542 transposing my numbers. 542 lot 18 zone B5 a preliminary and final site plan with C D variances for
construction of four condo units. This application was carried from September the 10th, 2025. Good evening. >> Good evening everyone. Once again, Joseph O'Neal here following new material here on behalf of the
applicant. This is a continuation of our prior application. In the interim, we've had an opportunity to meet with the board's professionals, Mr. Chadwick, Mr. Lmanowix. We were able to re rework the plans to incorporate some of their comments. That's what we're here to
present to you today. We have narrowed the buildings by two feet, eliminating the beerard need for a variance, but we've widened two feet. It still complies with the local ordinances.
So, we've provided more room in the back. We've eliminated the decks back there. We've replaced the patios. Here to discuss all of that in detail, our engineer have a minute for him to set up.
We have concern. >> You raise your right hand, please. You swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing. Yes, I do. >> State your name. Spell your last name, please. >> Frederick C. Miola. M E O L A.
>> And we qualified you the last time, correct? >> Yes. >> Nothing's changed with respect to your qualifications. Correct. >> Other than I got about a month or two older. >> Okay. >> We all you heard my brief description. >> Yes. >> Generally, the idea
>> that's represented on those plans you >> Yes, it is. So, what changed? >> We've changed the uh width of the building front to back. We could talk just go ahead and point.
We we changed the building depth um to provide for the 15t rear yard. So, we don't need a variance for the rear yard anymore. And we also tightened up the front so we could provide more landscaping
on both sides and then also more landscaping on the island in the middle. So there'll be additional greenery. Uh the plan shows the actual as constructed uh northworth road that was just rebuilt
uh based on the nanowitz is concerned. and we went out and relocated it. It ended up very close to where we had within maybe 6 in to a foot. Slightly to our benefit, the road is slightly
to the if I find my north arrow, it's slightly to the down part of the page. We lowered the first floor and yeah, and we lowered the first floor to eliminate a few of the steps. That's the main concerns. And
one of the things drawing that the board has is this one. >> Everything I said is correct. Uh, one of the things that I apologize I missed it. My guys went
and put the dry wells here without looking at the adjoining. That puts it right through all the underground utilities. Done. Can't believe I missed it, but I did. So, what we did is we rearranged it based on Tom's car and rotated the drywall 90°.
So, now it's away from the utilities. >> And if I recall, there was a question about the air conditioners, >> the location of them. >> Yeah, I think they're going on the roof now, right? >> Behind the building. >> Behind the building. They're going
behind the building. >> Okay. >> You're they're going to give more testimony. >> Yeah. The architect is here. >> Okay. >> Where? >> Okay. So, that's basically a nutshell the changes that were made.
Um, >> no. >> Mr. Maya, there's a question about um there's a reference there's there's uh eight um circle numbers on your drawings. That's that's both um outside and garage parking that's
donated designated there. Is that correct? >> Yes. Stairs. >> So there's four G each one has a garage. Yes. >> And each one has surface parking outside the garage. Correct. >> So that's the circle numbers in the drawing. Correct. >> 57.
>> Yeah. And that and that complies with the RSIS. We're allowed to count the garage and one spot in front of the garage. I can't go more than one, but I can put one car in front of them, which is what we did. >> And you I know there was a question on
the cars that are parked in the front will be exiting onto Beverwick Road. >> There's enough room for a turnaround on site. So the cars can back up.
The ones on the on the north side will back up into the south end of the parking so that they can come out nose first. So there's enough room on site to maneuver the car to come out those first, which is the main thing. You don't want anybody
backing out onto North Beth Road. >> And that's with the the car parked outside of the garage. >> That's the car outside the garage. Mhm. >> So, >> just to refresh,
>> we had an issue with the back. >> Yes. >> We eliminated that, right? >> You put in the patio. >> We had an issue with the parking. Maybe >> you corrected that. >> Yes. >> Okay. Then we had a little issue with the walkway in front. >> Yes. >> Steps. >> Well, that's still the the walkway
>> less. Unfortunately, the rideway for North Perwick Road is almost right up against the curb. They the road is wider than >> expected. So, the sidewalk is out on our property. >> Gotcha.
>> No, we we don't have any problem if the board wants us to provide an easement for the sidewalk 5 foot wide, whatever it is. >> Okay. >> But it's it's just it's on our property. So if you remember this originally basically the front yard black,
>> right? >> And that was the discussion and try to soften this thing. >> Gotcha. >> So was there anything else, John, that we had to really go over? >> Well, the land the landscaping plan I couldn't find your schedule or sizes of proposals
>> just to be is it on there? >> It should be. If it isn't, I apologize. >> I spent some time looking around for a file. I said, "You know what? >> It looks like they have it in the lower corner of the post. Two signals center. Really hard to read."
>> Yeah. My guys sometimes sneak things in where you can't find a magnifying glass. >> I'm going to recommend to the board. this landscaping plan uh bears >> uh
that a landscape architect prepare the plan and then submitted to the traffic for um >> I will thank you.
>> So does that tidy up most of the things that we were worried about? Okay, >> Madam Chair, there's actually one more item. Mr. Miller, you said that you eliminated the rear yard setback, but variance, but I don't think you did. >> Um, it looks like from the plan that the rear yard setback is measured from the
lower level. It ignores the overhang. >> That's right. >> Now, the ordinance says you don't car you overhang space isn't counted for building coverage, but it doesn't omit it from setback because I just checked it because I because you said that. That's fine. Uh,
all my dealings with Jennifer and Tony, it if it's under 2 ft, it doesn't count. That's why it's only 1 ft 11 in, >> right? It doesn't count for building coverage. >> No, doesn't count on >> I don't see that. I don't see that.
>> If not, we have to ask for a variance for that >> because they need they need it for the bedrooms upstairs. That'll be hard for me. >> And And how far out are you into that setback? A half a foot. >> It's approximately 2 ft. It's 1T 11 in.
>> Mhm. >> The can lever >> is because of the canal lever rear. >> Yeah, it's because of the canal lever. >> At ground level, you would comply. >> At ground level, we comply. It's just the overhang that'll be violating the
rear yard. >> So, what how do we really look upon that? They're like they're not really doing it. >> It's basically Jennifer's call. I think Tom's right. They did they years ago there was a big hand hang up on people
can leaving off of existing foundations. >> So they're really cheap. >> Yeah. >> Not this stuff. >> So but this is a little different. This is second floor. >> Are the AC units in the set? >> Pardon? Are the air conditioning units
in the setback? >> Maybe that's a question for the architect. I don't know. >> The air conditioning units from the plotting would be partially into the setback. >> Okay. >> Obviously depends on the size of the
units these guys pick. Some of them are narrower and wider and some of them are more. I use some of them are square. So the unit will make a difference of what the exact number >> is going on the wall. >> Is it going on the wall or
>> Okay. >> No, they're they're ground mounted. >> Ground mounted >> in the back. >> It's in the back of the building, right? >> It's in the back. >> We show them. They're little squares in the back. We show them the building. >> But again, we show them as a square. Depending on the unit they pick, they
come narrower and not as deep but wider. And you know, you will call out the accessories air conditioner. >> You're asking for variance for that just in case. Correct. >> Yes, they are.
>> Mr. Lmanowitz, do you have any other questions? There there are a number of of I guess I'll call them cleanup items that have to be addressed. Um we talked about the lot coverage is still over the
there's no dimension on the parking aisle width that's supposed to be 24 but I scaled it to 21. I don't know if you had a chance to check that. Okay. The the entrance. Are you talking about the entrance? >> No, the the the the aisle going across
the face of the building. >> Across the front. Yeah, it's probably like around 22 cuz the building is 45 ft from the rightway line. Take the 54 foot out for the sidewalk and the
check 41 18t parking spot puts me at around 22 left. You know, >> the sidewalk's only four feet. I thought they made them wider >> in the streetscape. >> Well, yeah, but you look at the plan, the curb is slightly outside the
rightway, right? >> So, there's a little bit of give and take in there. >> I I run into this on Northwalk Road all the time. This isn't the only spot where the curve is almost right up against the rightway line. There there are some issues with the stormwater management
calculations, but I don't think they're going to be to the extent that it's going to change what the what's what the board's going to or what anybody's going to see on the site because it's underground. You know, they the drywalls are obviously underground. It may need some sizing changes, but I expect them
to be minor. Um, yeah, actually Tom was nice enough to call me. I think last week we made the changes. That's why I keep flipping cuz I have new drawings with the changes on them. Board hasn't seen them, but hey, I would file.
>> So, would you agree to work with Mr. Le? >> I'd be happy to >> clear up those issues to have him approve that final storm water management design. >> Yes. >> Did you happen to check if there's a storm water pipe across the front of the property?
>> No. >> Because at the way drywalls are designed drywalls are designed with a certain capacity of of 3 in. Once you hit that, they bubble over and that that's that's permitted because you're looking to reduce the proposed runoff to something
that had in the existing runoff. So, at some point, these these dry wells once you get more than 3 in of rain, which is a lot of rain, they're going to bubble up. Right now, you'll wind up with about 5 in of water in the parking lot before it crests and goes into the street where
it runs down and goes into the inlet. So, we're going to want to mess with that. And the best way to handle that is if it was an overflow, go directly out out the front of the lot to a, you know, a you know, a structure. >> Sorry, Tom. While you were talking, I
was thumbming through whether >> basically put a man on the existing if there is an existing uh pipe, put a a manhole on that and connect to the existing pipe. >> That way, if it's on our side of the road, then I'm sure I can get engineering to allow us to put a connection into it.
>> If it's across the street, it's a different problem. >> It's across the street. >> If not, we're going to have to do something with the grade so that you don't have that much water sitting in the parking lot. The new plan, we adjusted the grades. Okay. We had talked about it. >> So, I think it's only going to be like 2
in water before it comes down the driveway and out to the street. >> Is the architect going to talk about the lighting on the building? >> Yes. >> I shouldn't really throw it on him, but I can't talk about the lighting. It's just the
He's got at least five minutes to get >> um Good job, Joe. And what about garbage? Are they everybody going to have their own garbage cans and bring them out? >> They're going to have their cans. They put them out when they get picked up. >> Those are those are the highlights,
Madam Chair. Thank you. >> Okay. Are there any other questions of the board? >> Nope. >> There's anyone in the audience that would like to speak on the >> testimony given by this witness only? I see none.
Thank you Mr. Thank you. >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give should be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes. Uh, state your name, spell your last name, please. >> Name is uh Jonathan Babula. B- A B U L
A. >> And you were qualified the last time, correct? >> Correct. >> And your qualifications have not changed. Correct. >> They're still in good stand. >> You remain qualified. >> Thank you, Mr. Babully. You heard my little introduction where I basically pared what you told me about how we changed the building. >> Yes. >> Is that active?
>> Yes, it is. >> There are still some questions by the board. Maybe we can talk about that a little bit. >> Sure. >> The air conditioners. >> Yes. So, um, G A1, uh, in the side elevation, you could see the air conditioners in the back. They are kind
of tucked underneath that 1T 11 over 10, and they will be right up against the building. Again, it depends what size units with manufacturer, but I think the biggest one is about 3 ft. So, the ambulance that would stick to the uh to the set back up at least 3 ft.
>> So, that would be the three three foot for the pad that that would be sitting on, right? >> Correct. So we would amend the application to reflect a variance for that. >> Understood. >> Uh and in the front here we have the uh the wall sconce lights uh on either side
of the garage doors. Uh there is a recess light uh in the overhangu above the front doors which um even the sconce lights they will all shine down in the front. And then again in the rear um adjacent to each uh rear door there are the same
wall stone plates uh that will face down and again the AC units in between the doors. Uh the other change that we did make is we lowered the building to eliminate a step and the need for the deck. So uh there's just one step out of the the house here to a patio.
And then again um I think we reduced the overall depth of uh the building by two feet but we did widen the overall width to two feet. >> Thank you Mr. Pool. I have no further questions for those
>> board members. >> Nope. Not for me. >> Good. >> There's a comment in Mr. Lemanowitz's report about a right about um um conveying a right ofway. How does your client feel about that? Is that >> Yeah. No, my client's agreeable. Okay.
>> We think that's appropriate. I think Mr. Be indicated that >> Okay, great. >> Anyone in the audience has questions of this witness and his testimony only? >> I have a brief question. >> Yes, sir. >> The these units, do we decide whether
they're for rent or for sale? My client has decided he wants condos, so they'll be for sale. >> Okay. The condo association, you do not have to file with DCA, correct? >> That is my understanding for some >> less than 10,
>> because it is less than 10 units. >> That's right. >> But there would be an association. >> Yeah, there's going to have to be an association >> and that association is going to be responsible for maintenance of the storm water system. >> Yes. So, whatever improvements are there. >> Yeah, that's right.
>> Is this going to be a straight condo or you going to put lot lines around this? >> I don't know if that's been decided. The way it's contemplated here by this plan, it's just a straight cond not providing any lines. >> So, you do add air space. You're not
doing horizontal property act. >> Yeah, we've got the front yard and the all the structures inside. It seems more appropriate. It may be common area. >> Okay. And in terms of control, in terms of colors, we don't want to have a purple,
pink, yellow, and green one. Is there going to be something >> that the last hearing was going to be earthed? >> I thought so as well, but now we didn't we didn't know how it was going to end up. So now we do. >> And so each individual will have
>> same >> control of the interior of the dwelling. the exterior will be under the condo association and we would have a paragraph in there that there will be uniform color schemes. >> Yeah,
>> absolutely question >> Mr. Lmanowitz. Any other questions? >> Actually, I just remembered one more for the for the site. um the property to the left where the building is, it's only going to be like two or three feet away from this building and there's like a
three-foot change in grade. So, you got water going toward the building and a pretty steep slope right on the property line there. I'm just wondering how we're going to handle that. because you got a spot elevation at the
front right corner of the property on the left. >> Yeah. >> Versus the front right the front left >> was almost right on the property line. >> There's not a lot of >> plan lowering floor a foot allowed us to drop the grade. So now there's only
about a foot difference between them. It's as tight as I can get it. I I think they can do grading. If not, they're going to have to put a little 6 in or 8 in wall. >> All right. Well, we can work that out. We do we get the drainage straightened out. >> Work it out.
>> Yes. Because there's right here. >> It's right on top of it. Yes. Is there anyone in the audience that has any questions of this witness on the testimony that he has given? I see none. Is there anyone
>> comments for pardon me? >> Comments for or against? >> Yes. Are there any comments from the audience for this application or against this application? >> I see none. >> Would one of our members like to frame a resolution, please?
>> Okay. >> Thank you. Um, I think it's a good application now. >> I think you did a couple things that cleaned it up. Uh, you worked well with us. You're going to do with Mr. Lmanitz and work with him. You're going to work
with the forester. So, uh, with this nice new cleaned up application. Uh, I'm going to be voting for it. >> Want me to continue? >> Please. >> Yes. Application 24 col 37 Ron John Takiar 16 North Bever Road
block 542 lot 18 zone B5 preliminary uh recommend granting a preliminary final site plan with a CND variance for construction of four condo units. Is it going to be that you're going to write it up with them or >> Well, there's the conditions are
landscape architect to submit plans to the township forester. >> Yes. Um the applicant is going to um submit storm water management plans to Mr. Lmen for his approval >> and they're going to convey the 5 foot right away. >> Everything that Mr. Johnson said
>> he's sorry >> he's been >> what he said. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Okay. Thank you. >> Seconded. >> Turbulence. >> Yes. >> Cro. >> Yes. >> Josh. >> Yes. >> Mozzarella.
>> Yes. Patty, >> I'm sorry I couldn't hear you. >> Yes, Patty. No, >> Patty. >> Patty. >> Oh, sorry. Ready? I'm sorry. >> Yes. >> I didn't win. >> Sorry. Ready? >> Yes.
>> Yes. Applications approved. >> Motion to approve. Uh, join me, please. >> I move we adjourn. >> We have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> All post. >> No one.
>> Good evening. >> Do you want to take a half an hour break? What do you want to do? >> Good evening. >> Great. How are you? >> Okay. Good.