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[Music] DRZ Jennifer Hol here Dr Elizabeth Blanco here have yes we have a quorum we'll go to Item B resolutions resolution 28 03 women's history month for March
presenting will be Dr Mary Stevens for Miss Lori [Music] tumian okay uh good afternoon board president Hol uh esteemed members of the board superintendent Dr Blanco members of SLT and PD Community I'm Dr Mary
Stevens the instructional coach at Marshall and is my honor and privilege to reintroduce board resolution 2803 honoring March as women's History Month in the Pasad Unified School District on behalf of the women's history collaborative committee I'm joined by our assistant principal of curriculum
instruction and signature programs Miss Katrina nvz and art teacher Miss lean shei who also designs our gorgeous posters every year I would like to take this opportunity to highlight the recent revisions made by principal tumian and board president Holly within the six
whereas the verbiage of the movement for lgbtqia plus me too and times up were added Additionally the next two whereas statements include the context for the eaten fires and the disproportionate impacts of climate change on women and children the women's history
collaborative has had the same goal for eight years for women's history and the women's Liberation movement to be included in our curriculum at a much broader scale our assembly has flourished over the years to include all secondary schools and with Keynotes such as former Secretary of State Hillary rodm Clinton labor leader and civil
rights activist Dolores wera and US representatives Judy Chu and Maxine Waters board president Holly is thrilled to announce our keynote speaker this year our new state senator Sasha Renee Perez yes we have provided each of you with
print materials for this year's event including a poster designed by Mishi depicting a young girl looking up with hope below her AR Rose and the San Gabriel symbolizing Altadena and Pasadena the butterflies pay tribute to Elliot arts's metamorphosis event and
reinforced this year's theme Together We rise it is also a nod to the tongue of a belief that if you whisper your wish to a butterfly it will carry your wish to the Heavens to be granted students in 6th through 12th grades will write essays and or create art with a theme and prompts in mind selected students
from every Secondary School will present their work on March 26th at Marshall originally this year's prompts asked students to address the preservation of equal rights earned through the women's Liberation movement in light of our school community's circumstances stemming from the eaten fire an alternative prompt was added to honor
the strength and resilience of our communities and their leaders the new prompt reads and I'll paraphrase the eaten fire decimated the community of aladen as well as parts of Pasadena and sier madre in the midst of this tragedy countless leaders work to ensure all affected individuals had immediate
access to all Necessities identify a FML leader who supported the community's of aladen Pasadena and sier Madre following the eaten fire provide examples of their leadership particularly the significance of their actions to the families affected by the fires students are encouraged to arrive at their own
definitions of leadership from high-profile leaders such as former vice president Harris to their Abita who is currently housing displaced family members our assembly is on March our assembly sorry on March 26 is live and will also be live streamed by our
amazing karn's team we hope you will will join us on Wednesday March 26th at 6 p.m. at Marshall thank you for your time consideration and support I think we can just move ahead with this ises anybody have anything to say all in favor no no motion motion
motion to approve resolution for women's History Month I'm Mo approval second is there any discussion we're going have to do roll call roll call um Harden
yes Bailey yes Marsh McKenzie yes Dr [Music] yes Jennifer H yes we have eight public comments we have
eight public comments in item C yes are they extensions or are they just absent okay they're absent so you can go back and okay okay so let's move on to item C we have eight public comments we can do
three minutes each for eight so we're going to start with Ryan um dalstrom followed by Lilia Romero followed by Han Lee all right good evening board president
Hall Le board members superintendent Blanco SLT colleagues and Community my name is Ryan dalstrom and I'm aosa 2 supporting The CARE program this group of people standing before you this evening represents the TOA in special education
human resources College and Career early childhood education and curriculum instructional professional development departments and student wellness and support Services we are uniquely qualified to do what we do each of us holds deep Wells of PD institutional
knowledge as well as community and staff credibility which we have been carefully earning over years through intentional commitment and passion we are very much part of the connective tissue here in the district providing space for collaboration leadership and serving our
students and teams behind the scenes our work is not always seen but we know it is very much felt by students classroom teachers principles and the different departments at central office which is why we are here today any disruption with our work will directly impact
school sites and staff and ultimately our students good evening my name is Hannah Lee and I speak on behalf of myself and my colleague Lilia Romero we are teachers on special assignment in human resources I oversee the teacher
induction program for approximately 95 new teachers in Pasadena unified while miss Romero supports over 25 pre-service teachers through our District's partnership with the Alder teacher Residency program we value the Union's role in advocating for educators but
recent counter proposals to PD include changes that would significantly impact the induction and teacher residency programs potentially harming both new teachers and their students one proposed change is to compensate tosas at the pum hourly rate for work
beyond the contractual day while this may seem beneficial it raises several concerns first the structure would create inconsistencies within the tosa role as years of service would impact compensation even if responsibilities
remain the same additionally because per DM pay depends on school or Department budgets some tosas could receive compensation while others would not another important consideration is that supplemental pay does not contribute to retirement under the State teachers
retirement system which could make it harder to retain experienced toas in these critical support roles if fewer toas remain due to inconsistent compensation and lack of retirement benefits for supplemental pay then new teachers may experience delays in
mentorship feedback and classroom support all of which directly affect student learning another proposed change is reducing the TOA 2 position from 11 months to 10 months this would limit our ability to provide yearr round program development
Mentor training and ongoing support for new teachers a shorter work year means less time for guidance which could lead to delays in teacher support instructional inconsistencies and weakened classroom management the full accreditation of the induction program
which was only recently reacquired could be also be at risk destabilizing the program and impacting teacher retention and Student Success teachers would miss out on critical strategies for supporting diverse Learners and mentors might not have the training to offer
effective feedback we appreciate the Union's commitment to improving working conditions for educators and remain hopeful for improved communication and representation moving forward we urge consideration of the broader impact these changes would have on tosas new
teachers and the students we serve thank you thank you Sophia jul okay good evening everyone my name is Sophia valades spes and I am a toosa to in the office of College and
Career I am here today to bring to your attention a serious concern the current UTP leadership is failing to represent all of its members particular particularly toat by proposing language that actively harms our positions our responsibilities extend beyond the
school year and we serve as a crucial bridge between teachers and the district yet UTP has ignored our feedback and continues to push changes that would negatively impact our roles despite paying union dues we are treated as if we are not members with some toses even
being told looks like your time is almost up we appreciate the PD bargaining team for eliminating the harmful 12year language something UTP refused to advocate for despite our requests we urge PUSD to reject UT's
proposal as it undermines the very positions that support classrooms teachers and students across the district thank you good evening my name is Julie Cole and I'm here tonight speaking on behalf of myself and my colleague Katherine AG are we are the two early childhood
education TOA twos providing instructional coaching professional development and just in time support to PD's 22 preschool classrooms 20 TK classrooms and the 10 prek TK and kindergarten embedded instruction classrooms across the district I am here
to Echo my fellow toa's concerns about the lack of Equitable representation by this current UTP leadership we are members of UTP we pay monthly dues with the expectation that our interests will be equally protected by our Union leadership unfortunately this is not proving to be the casee in March of 2024
a group of tosas met with the UTP leadership at the request of the tosas to ask questions regarding how UTP planed to negotiate the tosa article before you today and to request that the 12year limit for a teacher on special assignment be eliminated we argue that the institutional knowledge extensive
training and unique skills that tosas bring to our work should not be replaced due to a time limit at that meeting we were repeatedly told by UTP leadership that they believed in upholding the 12-year limit for toses because the UTP leadership in that meeting said it was the toa's responsibility to give other people a chance to do that work
classroom teachers are not asked to give up their current classroom position to give another teacher a chance to teach that class however that is what was communicated to and expected of tosas this is a perfect example of how the current UTP leadership is not fairly and equitably representing tosas we are
grateful to the PD leadership for recognizing the value in the training they have provided for us and appreciating the unique skills toat bring to the work we do this is evident by PD's proposal to strike the tosa 12year limit from the contract language as tosa twos we are called upon to plan
and Lead professional development prior to teachers return to school throughout the school year as well as during the summer we research and support the ordering distribution and teacher training of curriculum resources used by all teachers in the district we work with tosa ones to provide PLC content applicable to our TK classrooms and
collaborate to provide resources to support embedded instruction classrooms at individual School sites we do all of these things while providing just in time supports for all classrooms across the district the UTP leadership without any input from toa's doing this work has chosen to make drastic changes to the
Tatu role with their proposed work hour and work year changes to the contract language these changes proposed by the current UTB leadership would negatively impact our ability to support the classroom teachers of PD and further proves their inability to negotiate fairly and equitably upon our behalf on
behalf of my fellow tosu colleagues I urge you to reject you tp's counter proposal on the tosa article thank you Ashley Butler Rebecca Black sh good evening my name is Ashley Butler
and I'm here to represent the three tosa in cipd edtech as my colleagues have stated we too are concerned with UT's leadership uh continued disregard for our positions our voice and our feedback in December we met with UTP leadership to discuss some of our concerns and
recommend language on upcoming articles for negotiation we ask for the following removal of the 12year language which limited tosas to only be in their position for 12 years and for the possibility of tosa ones to be added as
10 and a half Monon employees the 12-year language was not beneficial to anyone in the district because it removed highly qualified professionals from their position based on time rather than qualifications we ask for TOA ones to have 10 and a half month calendar years to allow them time at the beginning in the end of the year to
provide supports to students and teachers as well as offset the cost of supplemental pay neither of these requests were acted upon by UTP we Echo the points that other tosas have made as a requ and request that UT's counterproposal on the tosa article not
be accepted as it does not consider all of the distinct roles and responsibilities of the different TOA positions moreover it will lead to a greater fiscal instability for the district due to the per DM supplemental pay structure UTP has proposed it does not contribute to our retirement
it's contingent Upon Our departments s or sites approving our supplemental pay and it um leads to a greater inequity between the current tosas UTP leadership told us in December that they would not do anything to negatively impact tosa or
its membership these proposed changes do not benefit any tosas and they do not work to unite any UTP membership TOA twos work in strong partnership and collaboration with site based tosas to ensure that students and teachers are
supported the changes proposed by UTP in this tosa article would lead to significant changes districtwide including but not limited to a reduction in support for implementation of instructional materials a reduction in support for implementation of Technology
compromise District driven professional development days and summer professional institutes compromised adoption processes a loss of alignment between instructional supports at the school site which then impacts our student outcomes and a
collaboration will be compromised between tosa and central office causing a lack of cons a lack in cons consistent support of all teachers districtwide which would then negatively impact our student outcomes thank you hello I'm Rebecca Black I am the
edtech to in the cipd department and as Mr Doom stated each TOA 2 represents a unique expertise in a particular field Ryan and Jamie have expertise in special ed Hannah and Lilia in supporting new and incoming teachers Sophia in College
and Career Readiness Paul Michael in restorative practices student safety and attendance Ashley in secondary education Carmela in elementary education me in educational technology Julia and Catherine in early childhood education and embedded instruction while we are
few our reach is far we impact all parts of the PD community over the years there has been a narrative that because our work location is at central office we have no impact on students teachers and schools this needs to stop we work in partnership with all schools the bottom
line is this we do not want to stand up here and make these comments we are teachers first and we are all union members we believe in unions and everything they represent but but when intent doesn't match impact something must be said UTP is making critical decisions
about TOA positions without consulting us these decisions fail to support or represent the needs of all of its members particularly those of us who work in tosa roles we deserve to have our voices heard in decisions that have such a significant impact on our work
our teachers and ultimately our students thank you okay thank you very much and we will recess to close recess to close session thank you okay
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good evening thank you for being here um this is the readout language for Clos session concerning item D1 case number 20241 00700 by a vote of 7 to Zer the board took action to approve of the settlement of special education litigation in
accordance with the terms of a written agreement concerning item D2 case number 20241 0870 by a vote of 7 to0 the board took action to approve of the settlement of special education litigation in accordance with the terms of a written
agreement concerning item D3 case number 202 4120 487 by a vote of 7 to0 the board took action to approve of the settlement of special education litigation in accordance with the terms of a written agreement concerning item
D4 case number 202 411005 by a vote of 7 to0 the board took action to approve of the settlement of special education litigation in accordance with the terms of a written agreement Public Employee release government code
54957 in a closed session by a vote of 7 to Z the board took action to issue notice to release and reassign the following employee from their employees from their administrative positions pursuant to Education Code section 4495
1 effective at the end of the 2024 2025 school year and directed the superintendent or designate to send out appropriate legal notices thank you very much closed session is [Music]
adjourned call to order please Scott Harden here Kimber Kenny here M here P Mar McKenzie
here pres hereen here Dr elanco here here trusty Bailey will you please do the pledge IED alce to the flag of the United
States of America and to the repic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all and this is the time for public comment how many um speakers do we have
clerk 17 okay so I'm going to ask that everybody has two minutes and that we're going to call your names and she's going to call them in groups and if you could all just line up so we could just move through as efficiently as we can you may
begin the Board of Education acknowledges receive of public comments via email it will be made part of our permanent record of this meeting um Coler is Sony aishel of the US Army
[Music] cours okay good evening everyone uh I will be quick uh pacifi Pasadena Unified School District thank you for inviting me to speak today my name is Colonel Sunny avichal I'm the commander of the eaten
fire emergency field office US Army Core of Engineers tonight I want to update you on the progress with Phase 2 debris cleanup and address any concerns about our operations that may be affecting your students first and foremost safety Regulatory Compliance and Community
engagement are our top priorities my colleague Colonel Swenson often says we can only move at the speed of trust and that's why I'm here tonight to set clear expectations address concerns and continue to earn that trust with you all so just to give some scope of the
mission that we are embarking on this is the largest Wildfire Phase 2 debris cleanup in the 250-year history of the core of engineers the Eaton and Palisades fire combined make this operation many times larger than anything that we encountered
in Maui and we had mobilized months faster than previous disaster responses thanks to the rapid work of our partners in the Environmental Protection agency we understand that increased truck traffic is a concern especially around
schools however recent report suggesting 1500 trucks per day those are inaccurate at full capacity we will not approach that number our goal is to complete this Mission efficiently and safely with with a completion Target of
January 2026 we recognize theun community's concern about fire Ash debris I too am a parent of a fifth grader and seventh grader and their safety like yours is my top priority that's why we have strict
handling and trans transport procedures in place on-site measures fire debris is continuously wetted down to prevent Airborne dust workers where okay that's your twom minute Mark okay yes you may continue Go sir go
ahead and finish your comments sorry thank you okay um on-site measures fire debris is continuously wetted down to prevent Airborne dust workers wear air monitors on their person and in work areas if levels exceed any sort of
safety threshold operations immediately stop until conditions are safe and we have perimeter air monitors on that track exposure levels to ensure safety beyond the work is always on the work site as well as in and around the
website in terms of trans transporting trucks do never do not enter the the home Ash footprint material is transferred safely to and from uh the truck but that truck never actually enters the area where the ash
debris sits debris that is fire Ash debris is wrapped in a thick plastic lining two times and then a third tarp is placed over that fire as debris to
ensure no material escapes during transport we understand there are concerns about air quality however it's important to clarify the biggest long-term risk to this community will be leaving the Ash and debris where it is right
now if it is where it is right now it could potentially leech into groundwater be carried by wind into homes and schools and businesses so by removing the material quickly and safely we reduce that public health hazard air monitoring data
consistently shows that exposure levels remain low for now and they are low at all of our work sites we re we are still working our processes we recognize concerns about debris trucks near schools we're a we
are actively exploring alternative schedules for our trucks to be on these roads uh that will minimize their their activity during Peak school hours we're implementing uh mitigation measures such as increase Road cleaning and dust
control on these routes and overall we are committed to continually being engaged with uh Pasadena Unified School District parents and local officials those conclude my remarks I will be in the hallway if anyone wants to have a conversation afterwards thank
you I will be calling three people at a time when you hear your name stand for line um Stan said stanine cruy or Cruz Cruz
Barbara isida Robin Worley [Music] I'm starting cre as a dedicated teacher at 250 for two previous years and this year 100 teachers or students TK Kinder and first grade at Field Elementary
today I ask you to look me in the eyes and tell me that these cuts are really for the benefit of our students tell me it's for the kids some of these students have already experienced the trauma of losing their homes their schools and their friends and it is traumatizing the whole Community now we're cutting the
teachers moving them all around not by seniority but by skipping schools and teachers for reason that make no sense these childrens deserve stability at field D dual immersion we've have helped build the program from the ground up we brought it to the top PD schools ranking
at 310 out of 8,000 and now we're cutting all the El teachers out which is crazy to me the relationship and community that we have created training teachers like pawns on a chess board to be good without consideration by the lasting impact I want to remind you
something that we uh something very important the district find last year $90,000 for being out of compliance of eight administrators to 100 teachers and now you go ahead and cut more teachers I'm not just a piece on a chessboard they my my children came to me this week
and they were uh they mom told them I'm not going to be here next year and they they the go no this can't be true this can't be true and then they all started crying and they all came around me and then I bred down and cried I'm not just a piece on a chessboard it's degrading it's abusive every year when you guys
cut and it's a lack of respect uh article 7 of UTP 7- 524 uh doesn't take any consideration of our seniority I have been cut and cut and cut at this at this district and and now you're going to put a person with
less senority that hasn't been in a school for 3 years can take my position where I've been a teacher longer than them on the S seniority list oh yeah remember you guys skip a million people do it for the we are doing it for
the kids the teachers are doing it for the kids and we're not little ponds that you can just move around it really does count and and you're pulling like a family apart that really is skilled in what we
do so think about it please barbar Isa good evening um my name is Barbara sheeta and I was born in Pasadena part of integration in PD when I was in second grade and I'm now teaching at
normac the school where I attended K1 four and five I started my career in PD in the 80s and left for a while but came back to PD about 6 years ago more committed than ever to public education
and the ideals that PUSD embodies I am a proud teacher of PD and knocked on doors this past fall to pass measure e the bonds and parcel tax I remember saying to people that good schools make stronger
[Music] communities one of the values I have been able to maintain throughout my career is to live work and worship locally so I also voted for the parcel tax but because I live locally I also um lost my home in the recent eat and
fire I have been so supported by our nce community this whole time and I am so grateful for all the hard work that you put in to bring our schools back to code and get students back in the classroom teaching has been a stable part in all
the moving pieces right now for me but when I heard that you are planning to lay off 120 teachers my heart sank I am probably within that group and I I know that group contains many people besides me who have been impacted by the fires
in addition to teachers like Starin who have given so much to PD I heard that CTA wrote a letter to Governor Nome asking for a moratorium on layoffs right now please join them in that I think that we as a district can
trust the love and support this community has recently experienced and not give in to the financial fears about what might happen the community is behind you there was overwhelming support for the measure bonds and Parcels we had to keep our
schools um we have to keep our schools stable when we have school tours parents see what they like and want to attend but through a layoff decision the board destroys the community culture and cohesiveness that attracts parents to a school we need to
think out of the box and hold to the values of people community and education not the bottom line that is driven by fear not by possibility Robin gley and then Michael [Applause]
toe hi um I'm Robin Morley I'm the PSD teacher of the year and I'm a teacher at Octavia E Butler magnet and I'm Francis milus and I was the teacher of the year in 2006 I'm also at Octavia Butler this year is supposed to be all
about the power of us for the staff and students of Octavia Butler middle school we have seen this in action every day for years we are powerful connectors connecting with our colleagues and staff and with our
students because we know this is the way to help them step into a successful future many of our students don't have a firm belief in themselves they're tween and teens so we stand next to them shoulder toosh shoulder believing in them until they believe in themselves
the actions of the district and this board however reveal that the power of us is merely a catchphrase there's no power of us when our students are not getting the best of us as teachers a best that is impossible to achieve without Necessities like adequate
planning time with our colleagues modest class sizes and manageable case loads for special Educators last year my seventh grade colleagues and I had 40 students in most of our classes impacting the way a general education teacher provides
support to his or her special education students having unreasonable case loads impacts the quality complexity and differentiation of this the lessons received by special education students in their classes on top of that under
the guise of budget restraints dedicated new teachers who have put in the work to establish relationships with our students and who are committed to our community are being pulled from us a superintendent school with the trauma of the eaten fire still heavy on our students Hearts we have all this
positive force this power to change lives gone with a stroke of a pen and a vote The Changing of the Guard is coming soon you're giving away our future teaching Force our most valuable resource to other districts when these teachers want to be here with our
students is this District really recognizing the power of us or are you wielding the power of you moving the pieces haphazardly to fit some formula we implore you to recognize the power of
us by seeing teachers and students as more than dollars and cents we are trans a transforming Force to lead us into the future thank you Michael tur followed by Joy mcy
Michael Michael to followed by Joy MRE all [Music] right right good evening board members my name is Michael toe I'm a special ed teacher at Blair high school and member of the UTP bargaining team after 10
years of UTP proposing a special ed article the district finally responded with anou calling it an attempt at collaboration with UTP let's put that claim to the test okay UTP ask for guaranteed classroom AIDS which are currently provided and budgeted for PSD mou allows one to one
AIDS assigned to individual students to count as classroom support in place of a classroom Aid does that sound conducive to compliance does that sound like collaboration to you no UTP proposed the guarantee of an IP compliance period for
secondary special ed teachers which already exists at most sites but is constantly threatened the district refused it does that sound like collaboration to you no okay phd's set special class size maximum maximums excessively beyond what is functional
and Status Quo typical class sizes does that sound like collaboration no no 75% of UT's proposed special ed article ensures no additional costs including proposals based on Ed code all was rejected does that sound
like collaboration to you no okay board members did you sign off on this mou did you provide input on what was proposed if not shouldn't you have did collaboration happen instead of falling behind PD
should be Leading The Way with other districts like La USD that already have a special ed article or strong special ed language insuring supports instead of moving us backward the district has an opportunity to do better to commit to and prioritize special education for our
students the choice is yours what will you do thank you Joy myy Julissa Gomez Analise [Music] Liberto my name is joy mccre and I'm a
teacher in pastina unified PD runs in my veins my great- grandma was a lunch lady at Wilson my grandma Grand uncles mother uncle and Aunt are all products of PD schools my parents met and fell in love teaching in PD I'm 28 years old I triple majored I have
two master's degrees and I'm officially a PhD candidate in education I have six years of teaching experience but only two of them are here in PD I've attended every possible training I can to improve my craft I'm also almost 7 months pregnant with a baby whose due date is
uh May 30th which I don't think you'll find surprising given that that's about the end of the school year um it does not require a triple Major two master's degrees and almost a PhD to know that I am likely going to be laid off um with a baby on the way this reality is even
more terrifying with this realization also comes a very deep humbling because this is something that I should have seen coming my parents didn't stay in PD and when I told them I wanted to work in PUSD they cautioned me against it they warned me that PD was a dangerous place
to start working because I would not enjoy the job security I so desired particularly when I wanted to start a family 30 years ago they left PD for the same reason I didn't believe them I believe that in 30 years uh since they had worked in
PUSD that the funding management would be better that student facing positions would have become the obvious priority particularly given the knowledge that making touchs to the classroom only causes more hemorrhaging of students which then exacerbates said funding issues that the retention of talented
young Educators such as myself would also be a clear priority that it would be obvious the last place to make Cuts is to teachers the real people who serve on the front lines and do the work of actually educating students I'm here today to ask you to prove me right to
show that in 30 years progress has been made and the same concerns are not a reality that teachers and student facing staff will be the first to be protected not the first to be cut thank you jul good afternoon um superintendent and board
members my name is Julissa Gomez and I'm a parent of Katarina sanana first grader at Altadena Arts Magnet I recent found out along with other parents on Friday that the district intends to move Altadena back it to its campus from Allandale over the weekend I also KN
learned about the numerous job cuts that would be made um to my daughter's um School in particularly the dedicated art teacher which is important for an Arts magnet to say I'm disappointed in these decisions is putting it lightly um I
moved to Altadena chasing the Latino immigrant dream to for better access of education and health um Health Access and education 45% of Latino 45% of the population is Latino Altadena Arts Magnet with many living below or at the
poverty line moving back to Altadena would only further impact health and financial implications for these families as 37% of Latino families have no access to health insurance we chose Altadena Arts Magnet for its arts
program but losing any part of this would greatly impact my child's education we have already lost days in the classroom school supplies and not the thought of losing teachers is too much to bear in California the average people spend is
$1,548 per student in Pasadena that District spends about $1 16,440 these budget cuts will only further put us behind not to mention that Latino students in California face larger inequities compared to their peers in elementary the elementary school is an
opportunity to make these advances especially through programs like the Arts my daughter will not be statistic I am prepared to make the necessary steps to ensure that she propels and succeeds this district has an opportunity to meet the moment and keep Altadena at
Allendale and preserve these positions such as the art teacher and the the intervention specialist Analise followed by Elizabeth Nicole [Music] aguil good evening my name is Analise
Liberto that's what I commonly go by here in this District I've been here for 24 years as an educator and came prior to then since I uh was born and raised in this town and went to um multiple schools here um I come here tonight to ask you to reimagine where Cuts can be
made that have the least possible impact on students Dr Blanco with utmost respect I'm going to use some of your very words to frame my request tonight in the recent PD communication sent out on February 24th you said that there was
strength in our resilience collaboration and a shared commitment to do our very best for the children in our schools but with the planned critical Cuts impacting campuses I wonder what you and the board are really communicating are you communicating to
the students that we intend to force them to prove their resiliency by stripping away the very staff that they have forged relationships with for some these individuals may be the most constant and positive adult in their lives particularly in light of our
recent disaster they might be the most stabilizing Force are we actually proving collaboration at the bargaining table or simply and deplorably turning a blind eye to the multitude of ways PD's coffers continue to be
drained if we want this District to truly th Thrive we cannot continue to disregard relationships that cannot be replicated please communicate to our students to our families and to our teachers that you will opt to lessen the
burden by keeping our invaluable and irreplaceable staff thank you Elizabeth Nicole agilar Patricia almaras good evening board my name is Elizabeth Nicole agular I am a product of solely
pdk through2 schools I have worked for the PD for eight years the last one and a half as a special education teacher for seventh and eth grade ELA students in my time working for the PD I witnessed many layoffs the same is now happening this year it is not fair to
the children who crave stability After experiencing devastating loss to do away with the adults who have grown so invested in their future Pro Prosperity it is not fair to those teachers like me and many others who have to work through our lunch breaks and can't take our conference periods to say don't expect
to have a job next year the PD gives too little with one hand and demands too much with the other you the board members were elected to lead I urge you all now to lead to the best of your morality I urge you all those listening and I will urge as many
PD parents as I can to oppose the staff cuts and to support the UT's negotiation proposals thank you good evening members of the board my name is patrici Al maras I'm an extensive support needs special ed teacher at Webster I urge you to cap
class sizes for special education and not just for Student Success but for safety overcrowded classrooms put both students and teachers at risk special education requires individualized support and when classes exceed a safe limit learning
suffers behavioral incidents rise and legal liabilities grow districts have faced lawsuits for failing to provide safe and supportive environments by capping clap capping class sizes we protect students reduce teacher burnout
and prevent costly legal battles safety must come first I urge you to act now before a preventable crisis occurs thank you Juliet Garvey followed by talker Davis and
Nat IG I have my notes on my phone um I'm Juliet Garvey a freshman at Pasadena High School I'm heavily interested in math and I hope someday major in mathematics as a school such as MIT and go out to become an
economist um I believe that the com my um speech today is about uh the is about my high school I believe that the combination of both math academy and App Academy is going to make me a competitive applicant to these colleges
because I'll have both the theoretical knowledge of the mathematics necessary and the skills to code programs that can apply that mathematics economists make models that involve code and since it's a central part of the job I believe having those skills would be
advantageous for me in contrast the lack of those skills would leave me falling short from the other applicants and would decrease my chances of getting into a competitive college now since these skills are so important one would think that these skills are tough to learn and I would have agreed if you'd
asked the Juliet of a year ago she would have told you there's no way she'd ever been she'd everever be able to learn how to code she would just have to use the internet but uh I stand here before you today knowing JavaScript uh some and
basic HTML and CSS part of the reason this learning came so easily is Mr maren's teaching style he made the learning seem approachable and the concepts came easily because I was enjoying the class he both has the knowledge to earn my respect and the respect of my classmates many of whom
are in math academy as well as well as having the pedagogical skills that enabled him to teach even the unruly students in the room a common issue with Advanced kids is that they often outpace the material offered in classes and then feel bored missing out on other kinds of
learning that they might need but in Mr mering's class the learning is so interactive that it's impossible to get bored um his excellent behavioral management skills uh ensure that even the disruptive kids that are playing video games in class if not on task are
quiet um and they don't disrupt the learning of the other students in the class the as well um if they if Mr marang is let go and teaching resumes by the other App Academy teacher Miss batch um the lack of continuity of learning
will hurt uh will hurt the kids in App Academy because especially children especially like the Juniors and the sophomores have spent years forming a connection to Mr Maring so if he leaves they'll become less interested in the class and they might miss out on
learning uh as a student in math academy who's also an extracurricular activities like the musical and math club I'm under a lot of pressure both at school and at home with the high amounts of of homework Mr mering's class provides a welcome break from that pressure by giving lessons that seem both challenging and entertaining at the same
time I would like Mr merang to stay on because I would like him to continue to be my educator so that I can do well on the AP Computer Science exam and have a better chance of getting into the high standard colleges I want study math mathematics at and I don't believe I'm the only student that feels this way I'm
sure there are other students from other high schools other middle schools and other elementary schools who have the same story about teachers that they that they love and that they want to have in the next year thank you very much thank
you tuer Davis Nat why Aileen [Music] Johnson does this work yes all right uh good evening board members um UTP uh seeing people um on the on my left
excuse me very Hasty uh my name is Tucker and I am a member of the Los Angeles Fire survivors committee uh we are a community that is still recovering from one of the most devastating fires in modern times the teachers and the faculty of our schools have shown
nothing less than Devotion to their profession by coming to work regardless of losing homes and now asking them to willingly be ready to leave their livelihood behind in education and as a fellow
educator I simply must stand by them and say do don't ask this of them there's so there's so much at risk in terms of their livelihood where they're going after this um and these budget cuts that have been proposed only
serve to undercut our education and the collaboration that so many um prior to my to my voice tonight have identified uh this simply put is an attack on workingclass families in Pasadena and aladen my question for the board is why
further punish them by asking them to go to other districts when so many of them have identified tonight that they have been happy with being here H so again I want to make sure that my my time is not taking up so many who
are ready to to tell yall their stories and all I can simply say is please do not let these budget cuts go thank good evening members of the board my name is Nat y I am also with the Los
Angeles Fire survivors committee we are a broad Coalition of workingclass groups in the city trying to build a movement to get survivors of the fire everything that they deserve full compensation from the city the state and the federal government the fires have devastated workingclass communities and families
teachers and students have been displaced many with no idea when life will get back to normal schools are a Bastion of support and stability for our students and disrupting the livelihoods of teachers is nothing less than
punishment for our students workers in Pasadena have endured enough reward them don't burden them further thank you aen Johnson maren Noble Elizabeth
Gardner PD board members and superintendent Blanco my name is Eileen Johnson and I have a third grader and kindergartener that goes to Mary Jackson or used to go to Mary Jackson Elementary School with great sadness we have left the district and we have not
returned these are due to several reasons including the the concerns for safety um shared with the suggestion to return Altadena Arts Magnet to the Cal campus um this should not even be a consideration um thankfully with
emerging evidence in data from several university studies in including USC one of the things that is certain is that distance from the burn Zone matters I live less than half a mile from Jackson and although still displaced we are learning from our neighbors that their homes are testing
positive for lead inside and outside my kindergartner who like many of her friends is creative energetic and messy she enjoys playing her favorite game of restaurant with her friends and
the entire menu is made of wood chips soil and grass the idea of her playing that at her schoolyard is frightening without the proper testing and knowing what is remains as was highlighted really nicely by our army
corpse of Engineers representative sorry we want to return back to Jackson our Beloved School my my kids love their teachers Maestra Suarez and Maestra SNA they're lovely they're wonderful but we need a centralized source of information
that provides the dist from the district that provides us with how our schools are being made safe plans to ensure how they remain safe throughout the next few years of debris removal and recovery of our community we need an evidence-based approach and expert guidance to be laid
out right now it's not transparent how the district knows what guidance they are acting on how the guidance is where it's coming from and how we are pertaining how we are going to learn that although all of heay is happening and we need clear guidance and transparency please and for goodness
sakes don't send ala Arts Magnet back to their campus thank [Applause] you good evening my name is Morin Noble I teach fifth grade at Jackson Elementary and yesterday I was remembering the districtwide PD we were
summoned to on January 22nd at PCC it was the first time we came together after the fire and I was remembering how Dr Blanco and her welcome uh had said they hadn't been sure we would show up and it it being so soon after the fires
and on the one hand this was fair we had just been through a literal Inferno our community was reeling on the other hand no one should have been surprised since showing up is what teachers do we show up at our work sites before the
office is open so that we can make copies we show up when we have migraines cuz we know we miss a day and somehow the kids are a week behind during the pandemic we showed up for virtual learning after the fires we showed up at
our students new temporary homes bringing them basic items like food clothing diapers cash the day of that PD the gymnasium couldn't hold us all because even though many of us had been through a major
hardship we showed up and every day since we have continued to show up at our schools learning new skills taking on new responsibilities we have done right by our students we always answer
the call we always show up now it is time for you to show up up for us because cutting teachers is a completely counterproductive move because it's the right thing to do and
because when word gets out that PD does not show up for its teachers families will stop showing up at our schools and then we are really going to be in trouble thank you elizth Gartner and Rene Gonzalez
[Music] [Music] can yeah let's switch the order all right I only have two minutes so I'm going to be very um direct you spend $2 million putting
Portables on aladen wasted money that's irresponsible spending right now you're putting Portables in Allandale when you have roosevel Elementary with a modernized wing plus the other specialized education um you still denying that
Roosevelt is open we got Cleveland Children's Center Long Fellow Children's Center Jeffer children center but and we already corrected this once but here we go special education infant and toddlers program not Rosel children center so
basically wasting money in Portables when you have empty seats it's bad governance you know yet you're spending uh you're continuing to cater to a ridiculous idea of stop housing this is we don't need staff housing to attract
and retain teachers we need to pay them well so they can live whatever they want they don't want they don't want you as the landlord it's ridiculous so please stop catering to special interest circles realize that you have roosevel and it's highly needed because the the
Madison Community voted to use that as the modernization site so stop pretending that that site doesn't exist the the facil is master plan was wrong from the beginning it omitted the historical value of many sites it didn't
include roosevel so you know if F DLR and safe work their vendors that were brought in by the previous administration that has a long history all the way back to Jung gundry let's not take steps back we just did a good
step moving forward to attract teachers a a very minimum last year and now it seems seems like you're completely going changing course do not do that you're going to lose highly qualified teachers and families thank
you Elizabeth [Music] Gardner that is all for public comment thank you so now we will take [Music] Elizabeth [Music]
Garner hi thank you for the opport hi everyone um good evening Dr Blanco and Pasad unified board staff um thank you for the opportunity
to say a few words my name is Elizabeth Gardner and I have two children at Altadena Arts Magnet I usually don't take the time to come and be vocal but I heard about the budget cuts and I thought what else could they be cutting
this year they've been cutting every year so um when I found out that the budget cuts included the RTI professionals at my children's school I thought I needed to voice my opinion or
at least say something I'm concerned um the one the a RTI professional at my children's schools named Miss roer and she's been instrumental in helping
alleviate um a lot of challenges and behavior She's Been instrumental with both my children um I really appreciate the communication that she gives to me after um
resolving problems with friends and basically what I see her do and I imagine all the other RTI Specialists is they allow children to figure out how to be friends and learn to continue to
develop socially so then they can focus on what they need to focus on in the classroom I think of the RTI Specialists as at least from the parent perspective and a key key oil to keeping all those gears
going at school otherwise the children will be there and frustrated during class and won't even be able to focus on what they need to focus on I'm concerned about that that she might not be there next year and there's
no no guarantee that there will be somebody hired that would be her substitute and even then they wouldn't have the relationships they wouldn't she wouldn't the person that would be hired
in response probably for lower pay would still not know the history of the children they still wouldn't have the confidence of the children they still wouldn't have they wouldn't have their trust yet and that would and during this time
when when so my kids so many of the people at Altadena Arts have been uprooted literally all my my older son's friends all of his close friends in his
classroom have been displaced we're the only ones that are still in our home and to take away an RTI teacher when there's so much uprooting just doesn't make
sense it it feels like you're kicking a dog when they're already down so I just wanted to put that out there um thank you for your time and consideration hi my card was marked
wrong apparently so I want to just tell you really quickly good evening thank you for excuse me uh we need to identify you oh I'm going to tell you yep my name is Mary shimazaki I'm from Long Fellow there are no more cards for speaking at
the beginning of the agenda all of the remaining cards are at the item [Music] okay she has a card it was mared at the [Music]
item what is your item what is my [Music] item oh yeah the budget cuts full disclosure I did ask for clarification for everybody to check at the beginning of the
meeting that you to avoid this what's your name Mar marish shimazaki thank you marish shimaki okay thank you so good evening thank you for your time I just want to tell you I feel like I need to tell you a little bit about myself so my little resume I also have a Doctorate in
Education from USC FL on um where I was also nominated for dissertation of the year for doing a mixed method study that also focused on social emotional intelligence and um I'm been on an Advisory board for studies out of USC as well and I was lucky enough to have the
job at Longfellow as the RTI specialist and I do understand that there's a need for budget cuts and that they were planned before the the fire but the eaten fire has undoubtedly traumatized our community and now we have have to Pivot our response to this crisis will shape the recovery and resilience of our
students by maintaining and enhancing our wellness support in the schools we will send a clear message that we prioritize the mental and social and emotional well-being of our children so now more than ever our schools need the support of
Wellness teachers and the safe spaces that we create as of today I understand that 57 tosas will be cut additionally there will be drastic cuts across entire district and many of these positions will directly support the welfare of our
students as a wellness teacher I not only support the students but also the teachers and the staff now there's an increased demand for support but the budget plan is to eliminate my support research shows that teachers social emotional well-being directly affects
the classroom climate and can mitigate trauma's impact on academic performance schools can be a Cornerstone for the in process but they need to be adequately staffed these Cuts in reorganization will weaken an already compromised teacher morale I have served for almost
27 years at PSD I have been informed that my position will be eliminated and I will have to reapply for a currently undefined position and then if I'm not chosen I get to pick from whatever is made vacant throughout the district as a someone with my experience and someone
with my expertise it makes me feel undervalued so at our Wellness meetings I'm going to skip part of it because it's beeping at me at our Wellness meetings we stress Community we are trained on community circles and encouraged to Foster Community circles
in the classrooms you have always asked us to be leaders for building community at our schools today I ask you to think about our community think about all the communities that you have asked us to create and we did think about the unintended
consequences that these Cuts will have on the community of PD's teachers staff and the families that are speaking tonight Community is power you hold the power you have the capacity to make the decisions that will affect the lives of
so many people you can change our lives make that change I made the same mistake so David nvar I apologize I I'm new here all of this teachers modeling following
instructions I wasn't here for the instructions I didn't fit in the room name David nvar thank [Music] you hi my name is David noar I'm the president of the monal Teachers Association I'm here in solidarity with
the United teachers of Pasadena um UTP is not alone in their fight uh against Rifts I was outside uh speaking to one of your Elementary School teachers and she shared how destructive the fires were what you know what else is
destructive riffs what else is destructive is the whole process of laying off um Educators even if they're not laid off this community you know more than I needs
healing needs stability there is a way find a way to make sure that all our educators are here next year um everyone in this room everyone in the second room and everyone in the third room can't wait for you to say there
will be no Rifts thank you and have a great evening now we're going to item I labor unions [Music]
all [Music] right so good evening Dr Blanco members of the board um I want to give you your the uh UTP labor partner comments um I wanted to also honor the
African-American history month um and I'm glad I was able to find that because of of African-American history is of course uh American history so um so I wanted to start with the research corner so lcff uh surveys have gone around and
since the California Adoption of the lcap a few consistent Trends have popped out as the most beneficial to student outcomes these six things were in that you can follow the link you all have a copy of this in your email um at learning policy institute.org with class
size reduction teacher pay other counties actually allow the district to use part of lcff for teacher pay in order to produce teacher retention guidance counselors health services and quality professional development all of these things are the
things that help if we are spending on other things I would urge you to reconsider because these are the things that have been shown across the state of California to help with student uh outcomes students deserve stability UTP
has recommended at the table in other setting a myriad of ways that we could minimize these layoffs there was the early notification bonus that we done for 2 years but that was not approved by the district bargaining team retraining credentialing opportunities for special education
bclad maybe science any additional credentials that we do need this is one of the ways that other districts have managed to keep all of their teachers the you know proved and and track record folks that they've trained in all the the systems of our district let's find a way to keep our teachers we've done done
it with administrators when we Clos the school we always found a place for those administrators we can do the same thing with our teachers Contract Services has grown from 40 million to 70 million in 5 years you can check my math I have the data I
can show you in particular the uh unrestricted part of that has grown from 10 to 30 during this time so I just want to be clear that there is definitely the ability to make these Cuts away from the classroom PD spending prorities don't
defund our classrooms PSD has $69 million left over in the most recent un audited actuals report that we just got in September PD provided last year the administrators an 11% raise Which is higher than UTP and many classified
staff PSD paid a fine for admin to teacher ratio 990,000 last year which is the cost of one of these new teachers PD had to get a waiver of $1.3 million for neglecting the classroom in spending priorities going under the 55%
last year PD needs to prioritize the teachers UTP was the most cut bargaining unit last year just as it is this year UTP salaries are barely 30% of psd's budget that is the lowest among our comparable
districts UTP teachers have the lowest guaranteed prep time amongst comparable districts as well stability is what our students and our schools deserve the better way is utps class siiz proposal using attrition and strategies
in allocating our trained proven teachers we consider targeted thoughtful class size reduction we reduce class size further where there is room we enact real class siiz caps instead of average ratio across the entire School
many people do not understand that when we say the class size average is 35 that does not mean that all the classes are at 3 it often means it's 45 as I uh several people have shared 53 um others
are perhaps at 18 okay so class- siiz average ratio is not effective for students class- siiz caps is solid retirement incentives retraining options to like I said fill critical vacancies like special ed DP
and science on the special education field we need to have a fair and predictable support we need to have appropriate case loads as was shared already we need structured compliance time so that our teachers and our special ed teachers and
others can make sure that they maintain compliance structured planning time for all of our elementary teachers so that they can engage in meaningful uh back and forth with the RSP teachers and others who ensure the special education program is is happening more dedicated
planning time means higher quality instruction 75% of the UTP special education proposal that was shared by Michael toe had zero cost implications we're asking about May doing things more efficiently and effectively we are not asking for an
increase in cost PD rejected the entire specialed article and that hurts students on our hours article teacher autonomy is what we're seeking allow our quality instruction to flourish please support teacher autonomy by providing
for free sufficient collaboration time sufficient planning time an appropriate balance of instruction and student needs Focus teacher time on teacher activities approve substantial increase in planning time that is free it allows for better collaboration
with our families as well as our teachers being able to get the many things they're asked to do done why would we use say no to higher quality lessons family and teacher satisfaction there was something shared um in some of
the communications about us being uh that we fix the problem of our teacher salaries and I just wanted to point out that our mid-career teachers that's the line right there it's hard to read the numbers but you can zoom in um on the version that I sent you midcareer
teachers are still $6,000 a year below the average now that is up 13,000 from two years ago so progress has been made I do not want want to Discount that and I appreciate the collaboration that led to that progress but please in our in
our ask in our salary proposal we ask you to commit to fully pay full pay fairness especially for that mid-career teacher um once Financial conditions improveed that's all we're asking with that request we did we put a 0% for this year we totally understand where we're
at as far as as this these numbers but it is critical that when the district can afford it which they have been able to in the past and they will in the future that they commit to that full pay fairness thank you for your [Applause]
[Music] [Music] time good evening president Lee school board members superintendent Dr Blanco SLT members and members of the audience so I have my plan speech this
evening however I have to make some comments uh or address some comments that I've heard um this evening that sort of gives uh some bothersome speakers come up here to accuse the superintendent and the board to be betting into special
interest however they come up and continue to speak about one school I have worked daily with Dr Blanco and her leadership team on addressing issues within the district the superintendent on the board does not have the luxury of focusing on one or two schools they have
to address every work site all employees and every student I've seen how hard this has been for Dr Blanco and her team to take this the action that has been necessary to keep the district um afloat and still
financially sound so with that as we try to get back to some normality uh we are still plagued with the devastation that P employees students and the community have suffered as I reported earlier the teamsters
Disaster Relief Fund has provided financial assistance to our members to date I've distributed $110,000 worth of money to 40 of our members I know this is very helpful to many of them but I wanted to be able to do more and provide
some additional help I believe I have found that organization that can do that I am currently working with Al fire Justice I was introduced to this organization by Brother Teamster Mike Gates president of the Teamsters Local 665 in San Francisco he worked with them
um to help his members that were impacted by the Santa Rosa fire I attended one of their town halls and was very impressed with the team they have put together in the expert they have hired I've been referring my members uh so they can do their own due diligence and decide if they can help
them I would like to quote one of my members from what he said after he signed up with them we have someone that really cares about us now I would like to welcome everyone that has been impacted or is helping somebody that's been impacted uh by the
fires to attend one of our tont town hall meetings uh that will be presented tomorrow that will be at 3:30 p.m. and 5:30 p.m. at the teamsters local 896 located here at uh 2050 Lincoln Avenue in Pasadena all are welcome thank
you um good evening to the board and to the community I'm Dr ber I teach CTE sports medicine at Pasadena High School and have done so for the past seven years I'm also the president of the CTE teachers union here at Pasadena Unified
School District I standing here because like over 110 other teachers and counselors in the school district my position is on the Riff or reduction and force list to be cut for this year I was very lucky during the recent fires and though we were close to the
evacuation zones we did not have to evacu evacuate but so many of our community have either lost everything homes family members pets places of worship or have been severely displaced quite recently and then on top of that
they're also facing cuts to their positions and to the positions of our friends and colleagues um why must we do this every year we understand the need every now and then to make cuts to a few positions
here or there as necessary but 117 teacher and counselor positions is fully 10% of our entire number didn't the taxpayers of Pasadena just pass two measures on the ballot last year that would help pay for among other things
teacher salaries do you remember that when we first formed the CTE Union that CTE teachers got pink slips every single year a lot of you should remember because a lot of you were here then also but one of the first things we fought
for was stability and security as a union we asked CTA legal to challenge this District's previous Antiquated and unnecessary practice of summarily dismissing every CTE teacher in the
district every year nobody can live like that instability means insecurity we couldn't apply for a mortgage for a house because we didn't know if we'd have a job at the end of the year but having to face these reduction and force
Cuts these riffs year after year is exhausting we have a brand new Chief business officer who I am guessing was brought in to fix the mess left by previous departing Administration and to bring stability to the district's finances and
budget we understand that it may take a little while to fix but we absolutely do not agree that this District's budget should be fixed by cutting teachers and counselors teacher salaries are barely 30% of the district's entire budget so
cutting 10% of us means you're only saving 3% overall on the entire budget you have a whole other whopping 70% of the budget to look at and to make cuts to I'm not a math teacher but what are you doing these are people's lives and
people's hearts because teachers as a whole love what they do so I have my Game of Thrones t-shirt on today to remind you that making these cuts are like waking a sleeping dragon in High Valyrian I will remind you
zal a dragon is not a slave although you say these cuts are necessary and it's just business aiming to try to save money they feel like they are personal there is increasing anger
Rising within our teachers which feels like in internal fire rising and building until it might explode like a spark in a long neglected and disconnected power line Torn Free by the wind and sparking a light the entire
mountain range and the City of Altadena nestling at its feet all that's left is for someone to say drais and the whole district will be on fire and everyone knows that Dragon Fire Burns hotter than all other kinds
of Fire for many of us this is a career and a calling and these riffs make us feel like we are expendable you know that Infamous piece of political advice which says watch what they do not what they
say board members people are watching what you are doing voters and taxpayers are watching what you are doing especially now that they have trusted you again by agreeing to extra taxes on their property this year maybe you may get away with
some Cuts Like what happened last year but this upcoming year and the year after and the year after we are looking to you Bor and looking to you Dr Blanco and we are looking to you Mr bravoo Karimi to
put teachers first and to figure out how not to go through this headache and this heartbreak past this very moment the time is now the moment has arrived the choice is yours if you say you have no choice that is incorrect it means you have chosen
otherwise it means you have not chosen us which means that anything else you claim you're doing for our students is incomplete at best and at worst devastating and traumatic because you're giving up on the people who take care of them every day if all of the
administrators in this room woke up on Monday to find themselves having to go back into the classroom as teachers and even more find themselves back on our teacher salary schedule all of you would quit on
Moss but we're all here we are dedicated and we're going to be here all you have to do is not cut our positions reject the riffs list and cut money elsewhere don't cut our teachers and don't cut our
CTE programs thank you good evening um I have Stella here who's going to read my comment kind of lost my voice for a minute so she's going to read that for me thank you we're just going to introduce ourselves for just a moment I'm Rebecca fena Children's Service assistant Willer Children's
Center I'm Lucy W Secretary of CSA and I work at UH Webster Elementary I'm par professional and I'm Stella Franco Allen and I'm at Octavia E Butler magnet and I'm speaking um on behalf of Julio
Venegas president for csca and reading his comments good evening president Holly esteemed board members and superintendent Dr Blanco my name is Julio Venegas and I have the honor of serving as the csca president
representing over 400 classified employees within our district we all know that classified employees are val valuable and instrumental to our schools when parents walk into our campuses we are the first faces they see the face of
the district we are the ones who ensure that schools run smoothly that students are safe and that learning environments are clean organized and welcoming classified employees wear many hats we are the office staff
instructional AIDS Food Service workers bus drivers student advocates at times custodians the people that step in when needed and so much more classified employees are a valuable component to the daily operations of our schools
without classified employees our schools would come to a halt don't discount us cutting classified employees is not just a budget decision it's a decision that directly impacts our students our staff and the quality of Education in this
District every position eliminated puts more strain on the employees who remain making it harder to provide the level of support and service that our schools and students deserve we urge you to reconsider any reductions to classified
staff and to recognize the valuable role we play in keeping this District running investing in classified employees is investing in the success of our students and the future of our schools thank you very much [Music]
good evening uh board president Holly board members Dr Blanco cabinet my name is Brian Stanley president of the association of past student School administrators and we'll keep this short um you know we do want to extend our sincere gratitude to all the
certificated and classified Partners within PSD and the broader Community for working together as we have navigated the many challenges over the past few months from the devastation of the eaten fire adjusting to new federal guidelines and navigating important decisions
regarding the financial health of the district we do not want the heroic efforts of our maintenance and operations Department to go unnoticed they have played a heroic role in the reopening of schools and sense maintain the high level high level of
responsiveness and quality of service across the [Music] district their ongoing efforts include facility repairs installations electrical upgrades maintenance as well as supporting the technical needs to ensure our All-Star musical could go on
after being rescheduled we invite you to join us this weekend for the All-Star musical presented at pastina high school and association with the pastina Playhouse and you can visit pd. us/ Allstar musical for more information
had to put that plug in we also understand that the difficult times are not yet passed us the financial health of the district is necessary for us to recover and rebuild it is extremely painful to see the reductions being
proposed though we understand the necessity to establish fiscal stability this pain is Amplified by the timing of our local crisis but we do appreciate the board and Leadership for navigating considering very difficult decisions to ensure
[Music] solvency in light of these difficult times we are proud that our own Dr Blanco has been recognized across region 15 which includes 23 school districts in LA
county for her steady leadership and for such reasons she has been awarded the superintendent of the year for region 15 it is said that a good leader has Integrity is accountable listens and is resilient Dr Blanco exhibits and models all these
behaviors Dr Blanco be continue to advocate for what is best interest of students and never remain true to that conviction as ABS we stand behind you throughout this crisis and the difficult decisions that must be made as we Face significant budget deficit thank you for
your steadfast commitment to PD okay staff presentation update on facilities and bond work Mr Bravo [Music] Karimi good evening San rvo crey CBO of
capacity Unified School District this is an update on facilities um as well as on the bond program in particular of particular interest because of the impact of the eaten fires so I'm going to talk about relocation updates for the different School communities that
relocated since the fire as well as provide an update on our bond program and any updates to our timeline so first uh an update on relocated PD and Charter Schools you'll see uh information that we've provided
previously at previous board meetings but you'll see that Elliot's art magnet was uh collocated now at McKinley um and that was as of January 30th alinaa Arts Magnet moved to the Allendale campus also as of January 30th uh Early Childhood offices and prek
classes were moved from Cleveland uh to the Webster and Jefferson children center campuses also as of January 30th and this was in order to free up space for ason school of leaders a School of leaders uh from the noise campus which tragically uh sustained very substantial
damage in the fire um they have already opened at Cleveland as of uh February 18th and they are also soon to move to the additional classrooms that were offered at the Washington campus Odyssey Charter Schools uh have opened at private
locations and then roseb Academy collocated at Don Bonito uh and they started school uh with students on February 11th so obviously there was a lot of work needed to be done to move the existing uses of those spaces um a lot of uh
impact on existing staff and and uses of those spaces um but we were able to get it done as quickly as possible and as safely as possible so that all students whether PD or Charter were able to get back in front of their teachers and staff and colleagues as quickly as
possible update our alanan Arts Magnet so as I said uh they were relocated to the Allendale campus so cleaning and Remediation at the home campus at Alina Arch magnet is currently in process it's expected to be completed by the 28th
Environmental Testing just like at all of the other campuses uh we expect to be finished by early March the goal is for aladina Arts Magnet to move back to its home campus by the beginning of next school year uh Portables at the Allendale site are on
track to arrive in the coming weeks we hope uh very very soon creating more space to accommodate Altadena Arts magnets needs so because of limited space limited availability obviously the schools that are relocated are currently
um have access to less space than they had before the fire and so we are working to to install Portables uh at many of those locations to provide additional learning spaces for our [Music] students Elliot Arts uh which is across
the street now collocated with McKinley um that collocation will continue through next school year 10 Portables are arriving also in the coming weeks to create additional classroom space at McKinley for Elliott
students with respect to the bond program the projects that are on schedule are listed here so we have several restroom renovation and utility upgrades projects that were previously scheduled to start this summer and are starting this summer um as previously scheduled Marshall restroom Athletic
Field water sewer storm drainage electrical service upgrades also starting on schedule this summer uh Longfellow Elementary School campus modernization also starting this summer um and John M high school modernization
project to its gym complex Aquatics Athletic Field parking and restrooms also on schedule to start this summer there is however a delay in some other of the previously planned Bond projects so one of the campuses that had
substantial damage due to the fire is the Franklin campus uh destroyed the cafetorium as well as the administration building and so there was a very significant impact on the utilities at the Franklin campus after assessing the site it's been determined that Franklin
will not be ready to be used as a swing space for next school year as previously planned so if you remember U Madison was going to move to Franklin at as a swing space during next school year while Madison was modernized
but because of the damage to the Franklin campus principally because of the damage to the utilities um that campus will not be able to host any schools uh as a swing space next school year so the Madison modernization project is delayed by one year while we can address the issues at
Franklin um and there's a domino effect so uh Franklin is also was also planned to be used as the swing space for Webster after Madison and so Webster's modernization project which was slated to start a year after Madison's is now
also delayed by one year so Madison and San rafhael will be the two projects where their modernization will start in June of 2026 so San Rafael based on the previous schedule but Madison again uh one year delayed because of the impact
of the fires at Franklin any question question oh public comment let's do that [Music] first we have Michael r r child followed by
Laura Sahan and Carrie Bradley [Music] good evening and thank you my name is Mike Rothchild we have a fifth and third grader who have both been at aladen Arts
Magnet since kindergarten as we Face the choice of whether to potentially send our third grader Henry back to the aam campus while Phase 2 debris removal is ongoing we realize that the district is in an impossible situation but so are the children who have no agency over
where they will go to school while it's our choice their children and they have opinions when we explained to Henry two nights ago that we were submitting for open enrollment because the district is planning to send a back to Altadena in August he immediately shook his head
with panic in his eyes and told us quote I do not want to be somewhere where burned stuff is all around us he knows that as much as he loves aam it's not safe until debris removal is done and despite the heroic efforts of the Army
Corps of Engineers nobody knows where that will be so the safest Choice both physically and mentally for our children is for a to stay at alendale for the entire 2025 2026 school year we would
rather stay in our temporary new home for a whole school year then either ask our students and teachers to take an unacceptable health risk or uproot the school halfway through a second year when there are still so many unknowns and possible traumas related to going
back to school in a Burns Zone thank you yeah I have some [Music] handouts hello my name is Laura Sahan and and I'm the parent of a third grader and a kindergartener at Altadena Arts Magnet School I'm also a data scientist
at JPL and I've been collecting some data that I would like to share today we are fortunate that Altadena Arts was not destroyed by the fire yet we are in the unique position that it is surrounded on all four sides with burned properties and at least 75 burned structures are
within a 250 yard distance of the school and all of them are still awaiting Phase 2 debris removal I created an intent to return survey and we have 121 Altadena Arts families who responded to my survey
representing 160 children a key takeaway is that 92% of families would not send their children back to the original Altadena Art School site on Cala site in August of 2025 if Phase 2 debris removal is not
complete with 8 8 2% of families making that decision in dependent on the phase 2 debris removal status so specifically 45% of families would only send their children back if Phase 2 debris removal is complete within that 250 yards of the
school and another 37% would only send their children back if Phase 2 debris removal is complete in all of Altadena this is in contrast to 7% of families that would not send their children back if Altadena Arts remains
at Allandale for the next school year we also asked where they would people would send their children and 55% of families would plan to enroll their children outside of PD most of us are displaced or have lost their homes so we live in
other school districts now we are choosing to send our kids to PD because we love Altadena Arts Magnet but we won't make that choice if it means the of our kids is at risk so our family's house Altadena
house did burn down in the eaten fire and we now live in Arcadia we would very much like our two children to remain at Altadena Arts but their safety is more important specifically if aladina Arts returns to the original calava site before all of
the surrounding properties complete phase two including along a reasonable path to drive to the school we're not traumatizing our children every day we don't take our kids to see the burned areas my 5-year-old cried at the thought of seeing our burned down house she we
can't take her past burn down property any burn down properties to go to school that's just not not Humane thank you we will make our decision to move to the Arcadia Unified School District if we do not keep the kids safely at Allandale
for another year Carrie Bradley Jesse dalstrong Molly DD hello PD board members and superintendent my name is Carrie Brady and I'm a parent of a kindergardener at the French uh in the French DLP at altina Arts Magnet I'm here to speak about my disappointment that am is even
being considered to return to Campus before T Phase 2 debris removal is complete just because our building was not touched by direct Flames does not mean that the school was quote unquote not touched by the fire as communicated in superintendent's email that came on Friday as you've heard other people mentioned tonight there are almost 100
homes burned within 250 yards on all four side of the campus not to mention that the drive to get to the campus would require students and families to go through the entire burn Zone essentially and I'd like for you to close your eyes and imagine four to 11y olds looking out their car window on a commute to school and not seeing a
regular commute through green neighborhoods but a landscape of burnt down homes and burnt down buildings loss Devastation right these are people um there are people here tonight that will cover the environmental safety part but I want to urge you to consider their mental Health how do you think they're
going to feel about going to school every day if that's what they have to endure right um how do you think that will affect attendance also if these kids don't want to go to school do you think parents are going to want to send them to school if they're feeling like this way mentally um are you going to be able to actually teach children who are
in this mental state at school um we're currently displaced as a massive uh percentage of families are at a um you know one of our surveys reporting 90% displacement and 30% with Total Home loss we now live in Highland Park in LA Unified School District I like many others want you to understand that we
have options and are prepared to enroll in a different School District should the PD board um commit to keeping Allen or aladen Arts Magnet at Allandale through August 2026 that must be a commitment for us to reenroll and to stay in PD um to give the eat and fire Phase 2
cleanup adequate time to complete I also feel like it's important to note that according to the Hawaii Department of Education after the fire that ravaged through Lena in 2023 only 72% of students returned to that school district um we love our school we really love our school we were willing to
communic uh to commute to the Allendale location because it's safe and our kids need their Community um but we will not trade their right to a safe and stable education you know in order to do that so we will not make the commute to the Calis campus should that be the place that we return to in August of 2025
thank you Jesse D dalstrom [Music] hello board I'm Jesse dalstrom and I'm the PTA president at Long Fellow
Elementary it's nice to see you all again I first want to extend my gratitude for your work so far coming alongside families after our community suffered so much loss I know that many of you and many schoolside employees have been working around the clock to
get our students back to school with that being said I wanted to come share that while I will not officially speak on behalf of the Longfellow PTA many parents in the Longfellow community that are my friends and family have expressed
the sentiment that we would like Alena Arts to be the priority when it comes to using the Allandale campus through the next school year I would also urge the board to go back to the drawing board and try to think again about how you can complete measure o Pro projects and house school communities that have been
impacted by the eaten fire in all of the upset last year about temporarily re locating to Allandale a decision I still do not understand seeing how difficult it is for a school of our size to in inhabit such an an adequate campus I would hope that we as a district could
humble ourselves enough to step back and say hm maybe we need to readjust to meet the needs of our students and teachers one thing I hope that you learned through the process of Longfellow last year was how much worse things are with a lack of transparency we are not unaware parents we know that there are a
lot of options around Pasadena we desperately want to be brought into the process of decision- making because after all we are the ones impacted by these decisions in the day-to-day thank you [Music]
good evening uh president Holly uh superintendent Dr Blanco my name is Molly Dodge I am a parent of a fourth grader and a first grader at aladina Arts Magnet my daughter's fourth grade class um we experienced our
teacher losing her home as well as 21 out of 27 students please consider this uh comment I'm making now and my written request that I've just passed out to agendize a resolution that I've just shared with you the safe return to Altadena Altadena
Arts Magnet School after the completion of phase 2 cleanup as an action item for the March 27th board meeting or ass soon as possible according to board bylaw 9322 any board member member or member of the
public May request that a matter within the jurisdiction of the board be placed on the agenda of a regular meeting Altadena Arts Magnet School is the only PD school not destroyed by the Eden fire yet surrounded on B by burned structures
and properties on all four sides the grave and numerous health hazards of living within or attending within School attending school within such an environment is known and acknowledged by Pasadena Public Health Department Los Angeles County Health
Department and the Centers for Disease Control the details of this resolution include that in collaboration with LA County Health officials and the US Army Court of Engineers PD will provide an implementation plan and timeline to be
posted on the district website for ensuring completion of phase 2 cleanup within 250 yards of Altadena Arts Magnet before the reopening of the school it also details testing data be transparently
available and the Altadena continue occupancy at Allandale campus until such time thank you for championing the health well-being and education of our children I appreciate the challenges that you have faced during this crisis
and your leadership throughout thank you Alice cens Baker Del Rees and Rene [Music]
Gonzalez hi board members Dr Blanco um my name is Alice custen Baker I have two children at Art Elena Arts Magnet um I know that ultimately we're all working toward the same goal of having our children in safe and stable learning environment uh we need a guarantee from
the school board that the aladen campus will not reopen to students until the completion of the phase 2 to clean up and only when testing for heavy metals asbestos soot and Ash have been completed as we heard from the Army Corps of Engineers at the start of the meeting cleanup is not expected to be
completed until January 2026 and we have no uh known order of when the cleanup is going to happen we want to remain at the Allendale campus for the 2025 26 school year to guarantee that these conditions can be met and to create the least possible additional
disruption for our students the Ali County public health department has put out a clear statement that individuals residing within 250 yards of a single burnt structure or parcel May face an increased risk of exposure to hazardous substances from Ash soot and fire deis
before the completion of the full Phase 2 cleanup exposure to these materials may lead to physical health symptoms and may pose long-term Health impacts now there are at least 75 burnt structures within 250 yards of the alad campus on
all sides I will remove my children from Altadena Arts Magnet if the school is moved back to Altadena before the completion of the phase to clean up and I also wanted to add that we desperately need miss roer our RTI teacher and Miss G our full-time arts
teacher to remain with our school they are vital in the emotional recovery of our students who have experienced a trauma we could never have imagined 100% of our children lost their school stabil ility this year 90% of our
families have been displaced by the fire and 30% of our families have lost their homes based on respondant to a schoolwide survey we don't know if those numbers um possibly would go up I imagine the number of families who've lost their home is more than 30% based
on everything I've been hearing we need these teachers for the emotional stability and support of our kids now more than ever before thank you [Music] okay uh good evening my name is Deli Reyes I'm a Mexican a Latina family in
aladina arts and I have a child in fourth grade and another in second grade also in the French program so practically my children are traveling well by now the on fire deeply impacted my family we had weo in the middle of the
night I'm waking up my children to get out of the house and now we have to choose also to change them from their school I don't think this is going to be helpful for them and you're taking away their teachers their
RTI teacher their art teachers that are significantly helpful for them to express their feeling to have someone to to listen to them because as you know even for as an adult it's hard for us to express our feelings children are having more
difficult to spread our feelings with people that they don't even know so we're asking to please don't take us back to aad now until phase two is clean and then it's finished and until the testing is done we had to go back to our
home because we don't have the money to go and look for another house far away from here because we want to stay without the Dina Arts so we had to make made a difficult decision for my family to stay here because as other family are saying we don't have the budget to go
and paper private or for something else I really feel so disappointed of you and as Dr Blanco said in the other meeting that she likes to talk with honesty I'm also like that I prefer to say things in front of you than talking your back and
I feel that you guys are talking in our backs like saying that you are really working to help us but I don't see that that you're taking away teachers you're not helping our our students so do you really care for them because if you
don't help us and decide to let us be in Allendale for another school years I will also have to change my children from PSD Board District sorry thank you okay so do we want
that oh oh okay thank you so as you can see the culture and climate is not getting any better with your leadership and so to say that that some uh prioritized
uh modernizations need to be delayed to me that's that's a very poor judgments and very lack of leadership you have uh many sites where you can place the Madison student body especially roosevel which is within the walking distance of
this community and so to give priority to other things other than the students and the modernization of Madison and just delay it you know without even you know what a lack of talent I'm sorry but you know you can do better than that I
don't know how much you get paid but I think I could come up with 10 ideas but the thing is that your actions demonstrate that you are just a puppet that you're here receiving orders from special circles so please don't say
that it needs to be delayed give the reasons show the community open up the the forums listen to the community do not just say it's going to be delayed you know it doesn't have to be like that the people Trust it you
know thinking that uh voting yes it was going to make a lot of things done and your actions right now are demonstrating that you're not putting the the students especially this the special need students first so you have a campus empty sitting in roosevel and I don't
hear anybody talking about it it's like it's a forbidden word so the the public is looking at this and the facility is m plan that we have right now it's obsolete given the
situation the current situation a brand new emergency facility master plan should be contemplated bringing every single facility to the conversation in contrast to what was done by DLR stop catering to the special
interest groups put the children and teachers first thank you okay so that's it for comments on here do we want to have a discussion questions for Mr Bravo Kimi
okay Miss [Music] Fredericks I have five questions so please be patient to [Music] three um so the there are a couple comments comments about
the revisiting the 5-year Bond plan and what I uh received via email is people think that the board made these decisions like post fire decisions of this is how we're changing uh our Five-Year Plan you know
delaying this school and delaying that school so I just want to make clear that the board never made that decision this is just the staff's presentation since the fire of what you know what they think should be done so I
just want to make that clear yes we never made that from the superintendent the staff is showing you what can still be carried out in the 5-year Bond plan so based on the fire this is a plan that you already approved and I'm not saying that you can't change your plan but
we're showing you what's still possible possible so I just want to be clear that I never made a decision on the exact timeline of the changes but what is possible that's fine thank you Dr Blanco for clarity um so I guess there's a question of like I think we yeah we
should meet again as a the board to revisit the the bond five-year Bond plan so is there a plan to have that meeting as a board because I feel like this is a major fiveyear plan that we want to make
sure everyone uh I don't think we requests from the full board board to revisit the 5-year Bond plan so we're giving you a status update on the plan you've already approved this is where we're at this is what will be delayed there's many summer projects and safety
projects that um we're planning on doing this summer so I guess if it's the consensus of the board to revisit the plan you have to understand those will also be halted okay um and then for p schools that reside in Altadena which local and
State Health Agency govern the health and safety standards for air quality of those schools in the surrounding community so it depends on the jurisdiction uh for schools in aladen because they are unincorporated in part of LA County it's LA County Public
Health okay so LA County all right what is the estimation of the completion of phase two cleanup I think we already heard from public comment the uh Army Corp of Engineers January 2026 can you confirm or have any other information or
no no but uh we have requested formally as well as informally since we began uh the debris removal work at our own campuses that um the areas surrounding our schools be prioritized for der removal we've also requested Advanced
notification of any debris removal that's happening uh near our schools and so the Army Corps has been extremely um helpful of course as you know we our own burn sites were prioritized they were among the first if not the first uh burned by the eaten fire to have the
debris removed um and we've been working with them and coordinating with them from the beginning and so we as I mentioned we have requested prioritization for all the the burned structures surrounding our schools or near our schools um so the request was made but did we get a response to the
request anything nothing formal but I think there's a commitment to to prioritize the the needs of my understanding is there's like a formal application that individual homes have to apply for that's exactly right so it's it part of
it exactly part of it is outside of our control um the Army Corp cannot remove debris from a property where they've not received permission or a right of entry from the property owner and So within those constraints you know to the extent they received right of Entry permission
from a property owner then we have requested that those be prioritized be to be done first or fastest okay that makes sense and then if for some reason we did not reopen Altadena Arts Magnet at the start of or in the middle of 2025
26 where would the students of Altadena Arts be housed I'm sorry I'm not if we didn't put them back into aladina they will remain at um Alan they would remain at Allandale so I want to clarify that we
um are not suggesting to put any students in areas that are not safe for the students and we are collaborating with the um LA County Public Health the Army Corps um we did invite them to come and make a public comment this evening
because we wanted the community to be updated on their um collaboration so this is the context As We Know It And um maybe I made a mistake in sending the Letters Out to the communities about what we were going to present this evening because I didn't want them to
see it posted on the board agenda and not know that that was going to be the discussion but safety Remains the priority for the district this is the context as we know it today with the expectation that it would be cleaned up
but you know we're not sure exactly what's going to um happen in context can change so this was a bond status update we wanted to be sure the community knew that this was going to be on the agenda this evening so thank you for that
clarification just the final uh question for Dr Blanco so do you are you saying that Phase 2 cleanup is a requirement for reopening can you speak to that I can't um speak to that because I think I have to be able to know from the health
department what they're recommending we are um also having our Pasadena health department check with um LA County Public Health they made that statement on 211 and we aware of what it said and we want more clarification from them on
exactly what that that means um you know obviously it didn't specify anything to schools but we definitely you know I want to reiterate we would never put children in a situation that wasn't safe um for them to be
there thank you anything else I actually have a quick question um I was wondering how it would be considered safe for kids to return to the campus in 2025 if the expected date of pH to completion was
January of [Music] 2026 so the expected completion was the expected completion of all debris removal across um the burn areas and so as I mentioned we've requested prioritization for the burn structures
that are nearest to all of our campuses not just alinaa Elementary but that was the one that we highlighted in our in our formal request um and as Dr blonco mentioned we're in regular contact with LA County Public Health and I even brought up you know I I read that same Health advisory
and I I found it confusing as well about prox you know being within 250 yards and so I I mentioned that I said you know this is confusing to our community it's confusing to me what is this mean um is it unsafe to have any schools open
within 250 yards of of burned debris and public health said no that that's not the case we have to put out these advisories there is always an inherent risk and and that's something that we always we're mindful of um but we continue to coordinate and consult
with public health to ensure that if there is any iment danger to any of our students that we act immediately okay and then one other thing that I was wondering is like you were talking about like specific houses like if Property
Owners didn't want debris taken away from their houses um yet what if there were Property Owners within 250 yards that didn't want um debris taken away does that
stop students from returning since there would be debris within 250 yards no so that that Health advisory was not to require any school or any residents from not opening within 250
yards it was about the inherent risks of proximity to to certain contaminants and so that we clarified because I we had the same questions we clarified that that was not an order to keep schools closed that are within 250 yards but there are going to be some property
owners for whatever reason that are not going to opt for the Army Corp to remove the debris maybe they're going to hire their own contractors we don't we don't ultimately won't know why why they may decide not to have Army Corps do it but um but you know we are we are asking for those that have submitted the permission
to to be Pres prioritize okay thank you Dr [Music] Velasquez I would like to first talk about um when I first joined the board I I
came increasingly frustrated with the level of communication that PSD had with families um and I have been very critical about that consistently how
however um when it comes to the safety um after the great crisis that we've experienced um I have to give credit to
the team and the leadership of Dr Blanco um there is a website um if you haven't been I encourage you to go to um in our website there is an entire section that
speaks about safety all of the tests that have been done to each one of our campuses and the information is there as well as all of the information that we have ER about the air quality soil
everything every every piece of information that this district has about safety and everything related to to the Ean fire has been available to everyone
consistently while I understand that that information may not be sufficient or appropriate for each individual a clear and consistent effort of for transparency has been
made and that is a very important distinction because we're working here in a relationship of trust and I'm not saying that you're going to agree with the information that is provided I'm saying that the district
has consistently made available all the information that we have with everybody and I think that that is a very important place of departure to have this conversation because
I recognize that there are different Comfort levels and concerns and I am also sensitive to the great difficulties that this community has
experienced but at this time from my personal evaluation I am very grateful to the district to the facilities team and to every single person that has been working in this particular area
from gardeners to painters to lxms to everybody for their continuous work and transparency again during the
process I also want to recognize the effort of being transparent in the way that we communicate information because this conversation we're not having it in May we're not having it in June we're not having it in
August we're having it in February right and so again my point here has to do about process because this is a different PD
[Music] when I campaign I'm not even sure that I'm supposed to say this but um when I campaign in support of the parcel and the bond I was very specific
about how those two were going to be impacted within the context of our existing and current environment that we're not going to change our environment they were going to contribute to our existing
environment and again I just want to say [Music] that I understand the need and the urgency and the anxiety about making decisions that are good and healthy for
your family and I respect that and I think that the best way to do that is by having all of the information that you need to make the best decisions for your [Music] family Mr Harden um I do want to Second
Dr Velasquez's sentiments about the the quality of of all all of the well and the Fidelity of all of the Care that has gone into getting kids back and and getting uh kids as safely as possible
back to school um I think it seems to me that there are some you know there's some blockers that you know are the the timeliness of our 5-year plan depends on two having two swing space uh sites right now we're
trying to do the best we can with the Allandale site and managing that um we mentioned Franklin uh as a potential location um to restore um and this may be again too
early to answer this question but are we do we feel fairly confident that Franklin Within by the start of what would that be 2627 would be an acceptable safe site to receive a second
SW swinging school yes okay and you know we're going to have to deal with similar concerns I think at that time because again Franklin is in an area that's got significant yeah destruction around it so these types of concerns of safety
and and um and and giving families the level of comfort that their children will be in a you know in a reasonably stable environment we're going to have to be dealing with with that at that location as well so it you know it seems like whatever
additional benchmarks or tests or you know uh evaluations that can be done over time to say you know this site is continually measuring within an acceptable limit whatever that whatever those tests may be you know might be
helpful to um those communities to make their those personal choices so one of the things that I'm very hopeful for is that um things will be CLE cleared up much quicker than we were originally told and the reason I feel that way is they were able to clean
up all of our sites completely clean within 2 weeks 2 and 1/2 weeks and take all of the debris away I know the area is dependent upon um right of ownership being signed and we are encouraging and
putting that information out there to um our families so that they can do that as quickly as possible so our intent is not you know as I said earlier to put anyone in an unsafe place but they did a phenomenal job of um cleaning up our
schools that have been destroyed the only one that um is still not cleaned as Elliot because it's a little bit more complicated of a property so um we're basing this status report on the fact that we really believe things will be
cleaned very quickly anybody else have a comment Miss Kenny I want to Echo as well that I'm I'm glad we're having this conversation now I I know people were wondering what was going to be happening and and everyone
needs to be able to plan um if so I I I think we don't want to drag our decisions out because again people need to be able to react and so unfortunately I think that puts us in the position of maybe making decisions
without complete information because we while we have requested that phase two get done as as someone mentioned uh people can opt out of having the Army Corps of Engineers do the um cleanup and they can hire their own contractor and I think at least from what I've seen in
different places on social media some people are very doubtful that they'll be able to get that done quickly that they'll be able to find someone who's qualified and passes whatever test the state makes them do to to be able to do that so I guess I well I I want to confirm
first that Altadena is not moving back to the Cala site until the new school year they're not moving back in April or May or June okay so that's right this would be for the next school year
um I I do think we're going to have to pick one of those as a district and if we I don't know that we can say we won't move back until phase two is done without phase two knowing when it's
going to be done or having to move in the middle of the school year so I think we have to either say yes they will definitely go back and know that parents will have to make decisions based on that uncertainty which might lead them to leave our district or we'll have to say no they can say at Allendale for
another year um so I encourage us to be very distinct about which of those we're going to choose knowing that there's that much uncertainty um I I do want to Echo what I think I
heard Miss Frederick say is we put together a five-year master plan at a certain point in time when we didn't even have measure R and now we have me meure are so at the time that we agreed to our 5-year Bond
plan we said these are the schools who will be able to get full modernization and these are the schools who will just have to get smaller amounts of of um work done restrooms
utilities now we're in a position to not have to do those schools twice potentially but we haven't had any of the those kinds of conversations so even just the addition of measure R
would make it seem that it would be wise of us to take a pause a short pause and at least say wait a minute does this change our plans is there a way to spend this money in the most efficient way for the
taxpayers by taking like I said a minute and and maybe thinking about things now now we have the fire so first measure R and now we have the fire which does change things considerably in our district [Music]
um and the one other piece of information we won't have until fall is how many students will be with us and at what grade levels and you know at what schools will they choose I mean we just we don't have enough information to
really make some longer term uh decisions and and do feel and I said this all to you before that when we spend this taxpayer money that they will be paying back for 30 years it should be based on some kind of long-term vision
for our district and not something in the moment so I mean we know that we're getting closer to the end of the Jefferson lease which as we talked about last year it's physically closer to other sites that need to be upgraded it's larger than
Allandale and so I I feel that there is enough change in our situation to make revisiting master plan I mean we need to master plan for measure R regardless
that's not I I hope I hope we want to make a plan for how much was it again 900 million we should have a plan for that um but but to incorporate it into the changing change circumstances um I know we're moving ahead with the staff
housing I believe that Roosevelt will be sitting empty for one more year before we can break ground there I just don't I don't know how we you know we have a portfolio of what we have what we don't have anymore what we can expect um you know when things can come back online and things
so I hope we can spend a little more time on that Master [Music] planning um the superintendent Miss Fredericks Miss Bon Smith and then I have something to say thank you I just
want to be very clear for the public um the Roosevelt site is partially in entitlement and should the board say to stop that for any reason or use it for something else it would take a year to prepare it for students to be able to inhabit it so that's why that's really
not a viable option and we would be we're approximating a million dollars to fix up the swing space wherever it is it wouldn't make sense to put to me to put money into um a swing space that we were going to tear down you know the next
year so um that's why that's not really a viable option unless the board decides to do that the Jefferson site if we told the city they had to move out tomorrow which is not possible because we have to give them a notice and they have a library there would also take a year to
fix up to be able to be inhabited so we have investigated some of these ideas that you're bringing up this evening but I just want to be very clear that each of those would delay projects for a year or longer which is a possibility if you
decide to do a reset um but that's information I think is important for the public to understand so I don't know when this this is appropriate for board president H but uh calling for consensus on just a follow up on truste Kenny's uh
revisiting idea to have a special meeting maybe a study session so I like to offer that idea we can have call consensus now or at the end of the meeting no this is a presentation we're going to move forward with the questions and move on with our agenda we're
already an hour lat so end of the meeting would be great thank you not a question really but I just wanted to Echo what uh Dr Blanco is saying about how amazing um it is how clean our school sites are getting ones
that were affected by the fire um while there is still a lot of work to be done in terms of uh debris removal and stuff I don't know if how many people have gotten the chance to go up to Altadena but um I have seen the noise
campus which is ASL right now um and it's truly amazing how much work they have done already yeah I I have a question but also there's an issue about process did we close open comment
because after we close public comment another C came in but I I don't know it's one person it the card came after we ended it so well think about it while I ask my
question my question is um I'm sorry and I put you in this position can you walk me through uh through all the different stages um between ordering uh portable and habitating a
portable so you we express order them but you know they take some time in arriving what other steps happen after so as you mentioned the facilities team immediately after the fire reserved as many Portables as we could knowing that there would likely
be a need um and so generally speaking the there's a lot of site work necessary um for path of travel we still have to comply with the rules of um you know Americans with Disabilities Act um electrical connections Plumbing
connections to the extent those are necessary and so that's kind of the first step um so the site work um after that the actual placement and the connecting of the Portables is actually relatively quick um there are a lot of uh expedited processes made available to
us uh in part because of the fire um and so we're able to get this done more quickly than than is typical thank you I know that there's a lot of people in over credit situations waiting so I wanted to be sympathetic to that situation but it it is useful to
walk us through the process and what are the steps once they arrive thank you so decision hang on are we going to go do Patrice Michelle me and then the public comment we'll move on yes you
I'm willing to yield to the public comment if that's okay with our colleagues and then you can come back to me point we're g to hear Michelle well Patrice if you have a comment go ahead and make your comment because the board
is still making comments right now we're not done okay um first I also want to um underscore Dr Bas those comments about the culture
shift that we have experienced with um the practice of proactive communication consistent communication and um very thoughtful um efforts to share
information I think that the district kudos to Dr Blanco and the leadership team for making tremendous strides in that area I think that the the transparency that's been demonstrated is really to be commended I think that all
of us are in a situation where we are trying to navigate a very difficult situation that is not ideal and with what we know and the decisions that we are being asked to make none of this is
easy and none of this is going to be perfect um I will share that I have taken every effort that I have had at Community meetings to talk with Colonel Swinson of the army Corp of Engineers
and his team and they have been absolutely amazing in terms of exhibiting a tremendous amount of compassion a tremendous amount of care and a tremendous um commitment to
completing debris removal in the most expeditious way but also in the safest way possible um they have also expressed that they have received a significant number of write of entry forms from
residents given how short the application window has been opened so they're optimistic that while they have a proposed timeline available for the completion of debris removal they expect to have that removal
completed ahead of that schedule and they are very careful to manage expectations to under promise and hope with all of their Ms they can overd
deliver on being able to meet expectations so that said I do believe that this superintendent and her leadership team are doing the very same thing in terms of how we are trying to
manage what our plans are in terms of remediating campuses providing a path forward to returning um families to Altadena at the point when the debris removal is at a
acceptable level where we big than what we know it being a safe have to do so Is it feasible for phase two to be fully completed
before we reopen Alena possible but we don't know that um I have I also want to sort of level to expectations about having there not be a scenario
where students are not going to return to Alena before you don't see any um remnants of fire damage I don't know of a scenario where that's going to be realistic quite frankly I just don't
because the rebuilding process is going to be several years from now and I don't know that we have the ability to not have um the campus utilized for several years
so it is our hope that we as a district are going to exercise the greatest amount of um thoughtfulness Compassion Care and safety safety being a priority that we
would not return students before it is safe to do so but we also have to be realistic about the fact that it may not be in a perfect scenario so hopefully um as information continues to
come in and information does come in at this point we all experience very much in sort of a daily hourly almost minute by minute scenario um conditions are going to change and we will have to be flexible
we will have to continue to be um open-minded and I think that we have to continue to operate and continue to sort of practice a spirit of operational dexterity as we navigate um our reality right now in
terms of being able to rebuild our community thank you so much thank you Miss biley yeah um you know D what Dr Vasquez said and didto
what um board member Marshall McKenzie just said but one of the things that I think we're going to have to keep in mind is that everything right now uh the decisions
that we have to make around this it's very fluid it's fluid it's it's changing there's no stability right now which is one of the reasons why I
appreciate the leadership of this District thus far um you know it it feels as if we're standing on a a raft trying to balance
while we're going through Rapids you know and we have got to exercise some patience we have got to stop and listen we have got
to really try to understand how this this issue impacts all of us because I was affected by the fires you may have been affected or you
may know somebody who was affected we've got to be patient all of us are hurting right now and the reality is it may be a long
time before any road leading to any of our schools in Altadena is going to be void of any structure that has been burned or any
property that has been burned I've gone up there once and I cannot go up there [Music] again so I know what you are talking about I know what you are feeling I have
a 7-year-old grandson who lost everything he lost everything and we have to take the time to explain to him exactly what occurred and it's a
lot and you know know it it it it it's it's it's hard to sit here in this position and be told over and over that you don't
care that and I get that you feel that way but it couldn't be further from the truth I'm in this position because I care because I believe in putting children first I believe in the power of
knowledge of Education that's why I'm here I worked in this district 14 years before being in the seat so that's why I'm here I care these
people around this diets they care we're all hurting we are all hurting with you so don't think that we have not tried to think of other
ways other avenues to to get everybody to where they're comfortable to get our classrooms our families our teachers to a position a space where they can be comfortable but does that mean that we stop Pro
progress no it just means that now we have to make things work where we have to fit so our little world just got a little smaller it's only temporary and again it's
fluid and you you just have to be ready to rock and roll with it and I get it but each one of you each one of us can help bring our children
along it's not going to be easy for some but we can do it we can get them there we can get there it's going to take our entire School Community our community stakeholders it's going to
take everyone to Rally around this District education our children are the most important Commodities in this community and we have got to stay positive for them we have got to stay optimistic for them we have got to show
them that you know what we can get through this together so I just I I needed to say that because it's just painful to sit here and hear it's almost like someone
telling you your entire life that you can't do something and to sit here and hear over and over and over that you know we're just bad or or we just don't care or we're just doing anything any way no no
I've watched this team I've watched them I've been around them up until the we hours of the morning working through every time we have a situation with the rains the floods the the earthquake whatever it is
the fire they are up they are here they are in this room they are in a hotel but they are up working for our children for our employees to make sure that when they
show up at those School sites the next morning they have a place a safe clean place to go to it may not be of our standards of our liking I know cuz I worked at a school site and I tell you now these School
sites are probably cleaner than they've ever been with all the sanitizing that's been going on but you know what it's a place for those students and those teachers to go and learn and so I just ask you each one of
you out there all of us up here let's just listen let's let's just take the time to to see each other's perspectives to hear them and to consider
them and to show consideration to each other thank you thank you so I just wanted to say something really um brief because you know I've been listening all all night also and um I don't want anybody to
leave our district until they graduate I I really don't I want you all here and I'm an elad denan I have 67 friends in a acquaintances who've lost their homes I've driven around Altadena Arts I've
driven around Elliott and it wasn't just once I go up there a lot but I also know that this team has done an incredible job and that this is an unprecedented natural
disaster not many people have a map to teach a school district how to get through this but they've created a map and as Dr V says this is early communication we're
talking and I read this um lovely resolution on the safe return to aladen Arts written by one of you and at the end it talks about a you know a main drivable route toward an away from the school I have tried to find a route in
my time there but what I'm saying is we do care we're not like stone-faced ice Queens up here we are are not we've lived there we have family who've lost
homes and we are all going through this and I'm just going to end with saying I don't want to lose anybody out of PD but I don't think anyone can snap their fingers and make all the trees
come back we simply cannot do that I'm I'm Excuse me there is no talk back here there is isn't any talk back this is our meeting for the district it's not a conversation but it is really hard to
hear that we don't care and I'm going to leave that at that thank [Music] you um I think it's Anna
and Les name yeah thank you I specialize in Spanish cnms hi guys how are you um something have with my card this is sort of off topic but it relates to altina Arts so here I am thank you for your
patience my name is Anna Jer I have a first grader at Altin Arts Magnet and a son to be assumed to be TK student my son Oliver potentially headed to am next year we live in Altadena and like many of us suffered a total home loss in the eaten fire we are currently renting in Pasadena
I'm here this evening in regards to the looming layoffs and reductions in Staffing at our school it has been brought to our attention that the RTI position may be eliminated next year I don't need to remind anyone in this room about the importance of that role I know we've talked about it a lot and in the wake of the catastrophic events that
have taken place in our community this role is more important than ever I'd like to share with you a picture from our RTI teachers office this is the Rebuilders a club she helped form with all of the students currently visiting
her to cope with the loss of their home or their current displaced status with over 30% of our students with a total home loss and 90% currently displaced these students need this teacher support and guidance if we lose her who will manage this I urge you to reconsider the
reduction of this massively important role my daughter visits her on a daily basis let alone countless other children at our school in addition to helping students cope with the trauma of the eaten fire there is still the number of other significant duties this role performs each day please don't do this
to our students who need this support now more than ever as you've so poignantly put caring is the most important thing we can do right now and I hope you'll care about our kids and rethink that thank you oh it's said we are in J1 and that
was K1 but thank you so much we're about to talk about that thank okay we're going to move on to item two fiscal crisis and management assistance team team with Michael [Music] [Music]
fine good evening president Holly members of the board superintendent Blanco um thank you for inviting me here tonight um appreciate your comments um that were
just made I get the uh most of the time it's a privilege sometimes it's a chore to attend a lot of Schoolboard meetings around the state I've spent 30 some years setting somewhere um in a configuration like this in in one seat or
another um so I I appreciate um kind of where uh you are all at um at this point um my name is Michael fine I'm the chief executive officer of the state's fiscal crisis and management assistance team we have to have an accurate for
everything in our business right so we're best known by as fmat which is our uh acronym we are a state agency U focused on assisting local educational agencies with challenges mainly in the area of fiscal operational special ed um
we have a sister agency that that works with districts on Direct instruction we also advise uh the state Administration and legislature on those same Topics in fact 12 hours ago I was sitting in the state senate as we were
discussing state budget including uh two uh discussions about the fire and the fire impacts um uh on Pasadena unified on Los Angeles Unified on on some neighboring school
districts I think it's also important to note why I'm going to talk about some things tonight that I'm really going to address this from the 30,000 foot View uh we have not been engaged with your District on details I'm not here to say
that a particular item on your budget mitigation measures the right item or the wrong item we're happy to do that and support you um in doing that detail work but we've not done that that's uh you you have very capable staff to help guide you and work through that um so
I'm I'm going to be a little short on specifics um with regard to your budget and your operation I'm also certainly not [Music] um I'm not insensitive to what's going
on I'm not just a numbers person um I I made a change almost uh 35 years ago from Private Industry to public schools because my wife was an elementary school teacher and she'd come home complaining about things every day and I thought
well I could put my talents to use and worked my way up through the school system uh to the seat of superintendent and for the last 10 years been a ficm um I my wife just retired after 40 years as an elementary school teacher
our son is a high school English teacher a young high school English teacher um and if this was if he was in this District he would be I'm sure uh faced with some of the consequences of decisions you have to make
I want to start with a couple slides that you have to give you some perspective of what's going on around the state the trends and this is important because I'll bring it home here to Pasadena uh as you walk as I walk through this you're going to think I'm
talking about you and I am but I'm talking about H hundreds of other school districts talking about frankly the majority of the Thousand school districts and and roughly the Thousand Charter Schools a little over thousand charter schools
in the state and so um I'll try to um walk through these very quickly because I think you're you're aware of them you're sensitive to them the first and foremost and I know this strikes here at home um is declining enrollment States
lost about 8% about 500,000 students um started declining uh about 14 years ago we as using demographers at the state we forecast that this decline will continue to impact schools into 2040s the early
2040s because in part it's got to work through the system right so our high school grades will still be experiencing um it's not a bubble it's it's the opposite of a bubble right as it moves through the trend the number one reason for declining enrollment are
historically low birth rates and as I tell everybody I speak to about Declan enrollment not our job to influence birth rates so we just have to deal with the consequences of of declining birth rates but we are below where we were
following the great uh depression in the 30s uh we are half of where we were during the growth periods of the 50s and 60s and there's a couple of us that remember those it's been partially offset by the introduction of universal preschool or
Universal transitional kindergarten but that's a short term and then we had the pandemic in the midst of this which accelerated declining enrollment for those years but more importantly from the funding perspective it ex it dropped our average daily attendance from
Statewide averages in the 94 95% range down into the 80s Ada is starting the yield if you will of average daily attendance is starting to improve and we're getting closer to the prepandemic levels that's good news because it from
a funding standpoint with even despite declining enrollment there are for some districts some increases um in Ada the ongoing expenditures previously supported by one-time funds is obviously an issue that all districts are facing
the time in which they faced it or made decisions about it may vary some when they first received those billions of dollars of federal pandemic relief funds what we called Esser um as I've laid out here Elementary and secondary school
emergency relief we knew exactly the date they would expire the feds have been clear with us and they haven't moved the date right it was September 30th of 24 this past September so some districts put in place exit plans to know we're going to we're going
to spend the money this way but then we will have to curtail that as we get closer and closer to that date other districts many of which I'm uh dealing with right now uh either didn't put an exit plan in place or they didn't choose to implement the exit plan at the
right moments and so they have a lot of staff that were funded with one-time funds um historically we've often guided uh school districts not to use one-time funds to buy staff right we say don't don't use onetime funds for things that
eat um because people like to continue to eat even though the funds go away right during the pandemic we really changed our message because the purpose of those funds were to support kids learning and their social emotional well-being and the way we do that is
through staff it's through the teachers and the other staff that have been here today um and are in your schools every day that's how we support them so we bought if you will people with those funds but we have consequences of doing that when the funds
ultimately end and that's one of the things uh that I know you're dealing with one of the things your neighbors are dealing with um so on and by the way made this almost identical presentation a week ago at La unified I made this presentation in San Jose uh night before
last I've actually been in multiple districts in the last um the last few days low to more normal colas cost of living adjustments and I think this is important to raise here the cost of living adjustment is a
national St that that's used in California school finding is a National Standard it's a component of the gross domestic product um it's not unique to California it's not unique to Southern California it's not unique to LA County where costs look very different than costs in other
places it's also not unique to education where the bulk of our expense usually in a typical District 85% of every dollar we spend is on people it's not heavily uh weighted by um labor if you will in fact it's unusually weighted by energy
and school districts buy very little energy uh from from a fuel standpoint obviously from utilities different subject when you go to bed on June 30th and you wake up on July 1st a new fiscal year and you do nothing different your
fixed costs go up by 4 and a half to 5% on average so when we have a cost of living adjustment that is below 4 and A2 or 5% while the state can absolutely with a straight face and and no criticism of
them say we're fully funding education at the local level it doesn't feel that way it creates a a pinch it creates a deficit you have to make an adjustment for that right we've had some very good
colus during the pandemic 8 133% this year we're at 1.07 next year the governor's forecast is 2.43 we already know that we're not going to make that number it's lower than that we can see that in the economic data that's been reported since
uh the end of December when the governor made his forecast so I point this out to you because it causes confusion in our local communities the state messages were fully funding education but at the local level you're all dealing with the
consequences of fix costs going up at a more rapid speed than what your revenue is going up when you layer declining enrollment with that it is a significant difference in fact despite a cost of living adjustment you may very well in
many districts have lower Revenue next year than you do this year because you lose the full amount of the revenue Associated to the student that leaves or is not enrolling in TK or k because of birth rates right um
inflationary pressures that was Revenue inflationary pressures remain um on the cost side why inflation's been tapped down by National Economic um policies over the last couple years uh the cost of a box of pencils is still higher than
it was a couple years ago that's not been rolled back we all know that when we visit the grocery store um or any store for that matter right we all feel that every day we've had significant increases in areas that you don't have a lot of control over and that's your
utilities almost 200% in the last decade increase in utility rates Pasadena part of your community is very fortunate has a municipal utility I happen to live in a community not far from here that has a municipal utility and and we're grateful for that as a community um but
nonetheless the rates are going up liability insurance specifically driven by childhood sexual assault claims is up almost 700% in the last decade and as you all fully appreciate
the cost of fire insurance is going to look very different from today forward for us as homeowners for us as renters for you as a school district we also by the hour have changes in federal policy on funding
changes and what that all means for us right now is uncertainty and this is a if I can call it an industry that doesn't deal well with un un certainty and you just discussed it tonight the uncertainty of when a neighborhood's going to be cleaned up or not cleaned up
we don't deal well with uncertainty we like to know right when we make a decision and so on but the reality is the change in in the federal Administration is creating a lot of uncertainty for us I've been in districts in the last couple weeks where
they are doing reduction and force for all of their staff that are tied to federal dollars because if that rug is pulled out from under us after March 15th they get no opportunity to do that you're not doing that I think that's frankly a bit of an overstep at this
point right but it brings home the need for you to maintain your stability it brings home the need for you to have adequate reserves because what if that rug is pulled out from under you on Title One or nutrition on community eligibility on nutrition or on special education Federal special education
funding you've got to get through the year and you need your reserves to do that speaking of reserves comparison to the great uh recession um we're in better position as a state Great Recession we averaged
about 8% reserves in the most recent data school districts are averaging just in that 23 to 25% that is an average so there are lots of districts below that there lots of districts above that cash reserves are different than fund
balance um those fund balance reserves don't do you any good if they're not backed by cash because when you have an emergency like you've had and you have extraordinary expenditures having reserves on paper doesn't do you any good you have to be able to write the
check right to buy the extra textbooks to furnish a classroom uh that you've just put online for a relocation so I talk about these with you tonight really to put pasaden in context with everybody else uh
everybody's experiencing um these same Trends you've been experiencing them they're not new to you they're not new to others uh you've actually been experiencing most of these for a significant period of time um and so um
I think it's important that you keep that um in context there's an accumulation of the impacts of these because you've not dealt with all of these impacts each year that we've gone along right and so the the impact
accumulates and you're now faced with um you're now faced with uh with dealing with that and as you've said earlier you have to move forward you have to make some decisions and again I don't envy you on
the details of those decisions and the lives that are impacted and the programs that are impacted for kids over those decisions but you do have to make um some reasonable decisions you all understand this you've articulated it actually very well tonight um and that is you have a
fiduciary duty you all know that you understand it you ran for office or were appointed um and as part of that you take on that fiduciary duty and one of those is the fiduciary duty to ensure that your district is fiscally
stable when you are not stable everything else is a problem when I'm in districts that are in absolute dysfunction on their financial side I can assure you they're also in dysfunction on the instructional side on
the human resource side on the facility side on the student services side so you have to avoid that I I would love to stand here and say that budgets don't matter and your Revenue doesn't matter we just need to go do everything
we can for kids that's absolutely where my heart's at um and always has been that's why I I moved into this business so long ago um but uh the reality is that we have a box that we have to work
within you have a box you have to work within after the pandemic uh we began to describe time as prepandemic and post pandemic right what happened before the pandemic was a whole different time period what happened after the pandemic we like to forget the pandemic itself
and we kind of just draw this line you're going to do the same thing with respect to the fire we're going to have pre-fire and we're going to have postfire I want to remind you I I know you all understand this but I want to remind you in your community that some the issues that you're dealing with in
your current budget are pre-fire issues they're accumulated prefire issues with respect to postfire and I want to Pivot to that I didn't prepare any slides um for that
but I want to speak to that um we Dr blonco your your other staff I I see him on zoom on a regular basis we've been in all kinds of meetings with State officials with my counterparts and variety of agencies around the state um
both state and local for weeks now uh just last Friday we were with the Senate proem and two local Senators Senator Perez and Senator Allen who um within their districts have the bulk of of the impact from the
fires um I I know your staff heard this I want to share with all of you that there is a absolute commitment from the governor there's an absolute commitment from the Senate I'll be in the assembly next week I expect I will hear the same commitment from them um to do everything
we can for the district and for the districts and for your um operations there are some things though to keep in mind um unfortunately we're getting a lot of
experience of disasters and so we've got Lessons Learned one of the lessons that were learned and I was in Paradise after the fire when that entire community and basically all of their schools were destroyed
um is the cleanup process and you've got a great partner in the Army Corps here but that was one of of our lessons we can't do anything until the cleanup happens right I was there even a year almost to the day after the fire and we still looking at lots and properties
that hadn't been cleaned and how they were impeding progress in the rest of the community so that's one of the lessons learned and one of the reasons that the Army Corps has been here one of the reasons that the office of emergency services has brought them in as a
partner and so on one of the things that's different and I know you appre appreciate this about this disaster than other disasters is the mix of charter school kids you know this in in the schools that have been destroyed in this
District most of them are actually occupied by independent Charter Schools that's a complete different mix than what we've seen in other disaster areas and the laws are not the same for charter schools and students as they are
for um traditional Public Schools there aren't the same facility Provisions there aren't the same hold harmless when it comes to average daily attendance which is the basis of your funding so we have those those things to
work out in the current year we have an automatic process for emergencies where you will be held harmless from the time your schools were closed or decrease in attendance uh normally it's a material decrease in attendance but because there's a state of an emergency here in
Los Angeles County as as a result of fires the materiality standard is lower to zero and so any decrease in attendance you may apply for on a school by school during your your closures we um those same applications will wave um
the time as you all know there's a minimum number of days and a minim minimum number of minutes that kids that we need to offer instruction to kids each year that time is waved for your closures during an emergency um by your application on the the J1 13A which your
staff is very familiar with with respect to next year there's a normal protection for school districts but not for Charters and that is you are funded on the greater of the current year or the prior year or the average of
the prior three years however the intent the practice in the past here in California with previous disasters of this nature um and the expressed intent of the admin ministration and we've seen this in intent language in the
governor's budget just days after the fire broke out before it was even extinguished um is to extend a more robust hold harmless going forward at least an additional
year um it'll be re-evaluated whether that's a third year out as well based on what your needs are based on where your community is at based on your attendance p patterns your enrollment patterns and so on and we'll do that with you and
advise the governor and the legislature with respect to how far do they need to go out um are there other ways that we need to assist you and while I don't stand here and make any promises on those other ways I will give you examples of what we did in Paradise fmt
went in worked with the district identified some very unique extraordinary cost things that nobody would have ever thought about or and worked through that right um and the state then participated in helping to
cover those extraordinary costs they didn't cover them 100% but they did participate in covering those costs and we're prepared to do that with you um and the other districts that are impacted so that we can make a report bless you make a report to the
legislature with regard to those types of things um I I give you one example you probably haven't thought about in Paradise um the whole Community was basically destroyed and so reloc relocation of almost everybody right
some staff chose not they chose to retire I think you have an appreciation for this health insurance premiums for an active employee versus a retired employee are very different much higher for retired employees they go to the doctor more
often right they're not as active all kinds of things and so health insurance premiums reflect that that was an extraordinary cost that we were able to identify and the state helped for several years until they could get that modeling back to normal extraordinary
Transportation costs now back at Paradise we didn't State didn't pay for transportation today they cover Transportation up to 60% of your costs right um so there are number of examples like that um that we'll work with you on
and um and then and make some recommendations that are appropriate to to the state so Madame President uh that's my presentation tonight I'm happy to answer any questions you may have about process um or anything else that I can be of assistance with you okay thank
you very much for that do we have any questions I'm sure we do why do I ask so who wants to go first here Mr Harden can you uh talk a little bit about the prop 98 guarantee and kind of what that Horizon looks like for us I know there's been over the past few
years there's been some um creative arithmetic in as much as that goes so there has um in the past couple years been some proposals what we call the manipulation of prop 98 however that
is not where we ended in each case right the legislature and the governor ultimately came to agreements that didn't do that for last year we did suspend prop 98 um uh to work our way out of that but there's a direct relation and the governor I think what you're speaking to the governor in his
January budget proposes a um a maneuver we haven't seen exactly in this form before but we've seen it in other forms and and I think that's maybe what you're alluding to where they're holding some
of the prop 98 um money back this current year uh $1.6 billion from uh an allocation what what I would say is why I have to be careful here since I
work for um the legislative analyst office has suggested an alternative way to look at that and to do that and I think that is worthy of some consideration the legislature will weigh in on that in the
final budget negotiations we had a long conversation about this morning actually in the Senate um what I want to say is it is a temporary timing issue of 1 to 1.6 is paid out not whether it's in the prop 98 base there's
no there was no proposal in the governor's January budget to remove it from the base it's in the base it's in the base on a go forward basis as well it's simply when do they recognize it and pay it out their proposal is to do that in May of 26 as opposed to May of
25 um but it does not artificially lower the base in any way um I think the bigger issue that we want to be sensitive to in prop 98 and just you know for make sure everybody's on the same page proposition 98 from 1988 is
what tells the state how much of State revenues tax revenues go to k14 so K12 plus our partners down the street at Community College UC and CSU are separate they're not in prop 98 they don't enjoy those
same Protections in fact while prop 98 this year is growing the UC and CSU budgets are being cut by significant amounts in the governor's proposal we'll see where it ends it's right now and I don't want to get too
technical here but right now it is in a what we call a test one which means it's a straight percentage of the state's revenues tax revenues we get roughly 40 cents of every dollar that comes into the state so the real question here that we
need to Be watchful for is what's the impact on revenues from the economy from changes in federal policy tariffs uh proposed tariffs um and really
important um Los Angeles County contributes 22% of the state's personal income tax and your area in the Pacific Palisades are a significant portion of that and
so what are the income tax receipts to the state impact from the fires right um there may be uninsured properties and people will be entitled to write those losses off on their personal income tax we also have the property tax issues
right with the properties that have been destroyed the resident or the dwelling units or the the dwelling that have been destroyed business or residential that's a little lower impact but what what we lose estimated right now about $35
billion um I'm sorry $35 million what what that estimate that loss will cause the state on a school funding standpoint to backfill that so there's a expense burden at the state to backfill that to schools so schools as I think you all
know if this was a glass are first funded with local property taxes and whatever they fall short of your entitlement the state backfills so if property tax on the average District's about 30% of their revenue if that drops then the state's
share of the backfill increases to bring you up to 100% basically so right now proposition 98 is super sensitive to the income taxes next year it'll be a little less sensitive but next year is when we'll
see the impact of property tax from the fires there may be some immediate impact on sales tax which is one of the other taxes that helps fund schools right um and that may continue as you rebuild sales tax
revenues actually will go up because people have to buy new things that they've lost sales tax revenue I should say not the tax itself yeah Tina thank you for your presentation um since
you're talking about Statewide uh level finances I'm wondering if you know anything about upcoming uh legislation such as bringing back the Community School's First uh
Prop 13 reform of 20120 that could potentially bring in millions of dollars to our public schools and community colleges uh as well as a Ultra Rich billion dollar million dollar tax on the on the billionaires that has always
been entertained but we never see it and it's a potential for Revenue that is not [Music] volatile so I'm certainly familiar with some of those proposals I I don't know
that I can add any value to them what I would highlight though that I'm um probably more familiar with is the prop 5 the expiration of prop 55 um just to take you back in history coming out of the Great Recession in
2012 um Jerry Brown um uh proposed and the legislature passed and then it went before the voters in November of of 12 um proposition uh oh 35 30 30 30
30 um that added a temporary sales tax higher sales tax rate and added a new bracket at the top of the the income uh tax brackets the sales tax then expired they
were both temporary the sales tax expired um I should know the year and then I'm lost it um I think it was five years later or six years later and it was scheduled for the high income tax bracket to also expire that time but
then there was Proposition 55 which put just an extension of the tax bracket on the ballot that expires in 2030 it's worth to schools about each year is a little different but somewhere
between 10 and4 billion of prop 98 comes from prop 55 so it is one of the California Teachers Association and others highest priority to have that extended and they
will begin that campaign actually I think you you've already heard some of that uh in their um in some of their news recent news releases and other things but they'll begin to work on a campaign I would expect for 2026 with a
second bite at the Apple should it fail in 2028 ahead of a 2030 expert ation it's a signif if it were to be expire it would be a significant drop in in school funding anybody
else Dr okay so in summary uh the trend of financial distress at PSD proceed proceeds it comes before for the identifiers the Iden fires will continue
our Trend by in introducing unanticipated challenges the state funding from the state funding does not completely meet the
cost of educations but in the context of the overall system of Education K12 has been doing better however because of all of
the situations in the city including the possibility of lower taxation it is yet to be seen how funding structures will continue to be impacted negatively for schools
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continue out in the coming years fire or not the state will hold your Revenue your your local control funding formula Revenue um harmless for the near term and and more
likely a more reasonable you know um term not just one year or two years but if you don't address the pre-fire issues of declining enrollment of Staff of of staff that were supported with one-time funds that are no longer
here um those will continue obviously to burden the district's fiscal stability um school funding in California with the exception of the property tax component is based on a very volatile
system that um is heavily influenced by high earners in fact our what we call 1centers the 1% earners highest contribute just under 50% of the total income tax they are very dependent
upon things like the equity Market as opposed to most of us that are uh dependent upon a paycheck each each month um as the equity Market fluctuates in response to International economies
and political um uncertainties not just in the US but in around the world then that causes fluxuations we are um we've done fairly well the last several years because the equity markets
have been relatively High certainly in the last couple years right um but we've had recent periods of time where the E Market dropped significantly um and we felt that schools felt that to the tune of about 9
billion right in in potential reduced funding ultimately we didn't experience that because of the deal between the governor in the legislature struck last year I think in in what was maybe alluded to early in the maneuvering
um I think I got I think I got most of your points I may have left something out um but yeah I I may choose to use some different terms but I think you I think you you've got it thank you you're
welcome Kenny can you help us understand will the Ada hold harmless extend to the special education uh calculation so special education what we know of as AB 602 funding master plan funding is based
on your total Ada at P2 at second period of portion which is basically mid April um it the the J1 13A process in the current year because of closures or decreases in attendance will alter the
P2 number the the in it it will be favorable to the P2 number it will adjust the P2 number for 2425 for 2425 um Can can they do that harmless though
25 26 we'll need to make sure that it's not limited to just the local control funding formula but that will be a policy decision that's made that would Sacramento that would have to be in the Budget Trailer bill or somewhere okay exactly and and we see that intent in the governor's proposal the reason it's
only intent language right now is we have a lot of complications with this number number one is the mix of Charter students the second is um La UniFi is a very big District not the whole District was
necessarily impacted right we need to work through that hold harmless in the past has always been on a district level not a school level except when we're dealing with closures then those are done school by school but the state doesn't collect Ada by school it
collects it except for Charters it collect it by District so we have to put if if we're going to change that we have to put in place uh data collection process or analysis process to to understand that um different probably
than you um you have a lot of districts around you um we've heard some tonight say I've moved here right and so on La UniFi is so large that many of its displaced families may have stay actually stayed in the district now
we're well aware of several hundred that have gone to Santa Monica Malibu Beverly Hills Manhattan Beach we we've heard from all of those and some of those and you'll appreciate this some of those are Community funded districts they don't get state aid they're funded by property
taxes but they have followed the executive order of the governor and taken some students in despite that we that's a topic we're going to have to work through as well which is and that's got a constitutional issue Associated to it that we have to be careful careful about so that's in part why there's only
intent language and not welldeveloped language yet we we've got a lot of details to work through that we haven't experienced in previous disasters this may not be something you can address so obviously our county is expecting us to file a second interim
and adopted and and it feels like there's a significant amount of uncertainty about what our potential future Revenue will be until these details are worked out so you know maybe this is M more for Mr Bravo I'm assuming that Leo is going
to work with us be and another words I mean anyway we we don't know all the answers and so I don't know how they can hold us responsible for not knowing them so yeah we've already been in
contact with Leo but Mr f has been very helpful also in providing some helpful guidance for how to deal with the uncertainty that you're referring to um and so we we think you know obviously things will change as hold harmless potentially gets extended for longer but
based on the intention language that we have already uh we know how to incorporate that in our Revenue projections yeah I I think there has to be some flexibility and how we look at some
of the Criterion stand s when we have lack of clarity around um that's why in part you would do um maybe multiple scenarios multiple mult so you have your NP uh multi-year
Financial projections maybe it's appropriate to do two or three of those a baseline where you think things are going to land maybe a best case a worst case um that your staff canare and at least identify for you what that range is you'll need to pick one I would
recommend it be your Baseline whatever you've kind of settled on with Leo um as a reasonable Baseline but I think it's important that your staff identify for you what that range could look like under different scenarios the same um would be true um
extending that out to your cash forecast um when when you do a multi-year budget forecast you really need to do a multi-year cash forecast cash we say is uh King cash shows no mercy have to ensure you have enough cash to pay your to to pay your employees is what we really care about
um the county has some flexibility um in uh their final determination um it's not it's not as rigid as we all like to describe it as sometimes right um I think more
important than your second interim though is where you're at with your adopted budget and we'll know a lot more information by the time you get to that point what we won't know though uh because I do not expect the legislature to take early action they
may but you'll adopt your budget for next year before the legislature adopts the state budget with that added trailer Bill and so on we may hear very clear what the intent is um well we'll hear very clear what the governor's intent is in May the legislature through the
hearing process such as this morning and and so on will also provide some some information you know so we can get we can kind of gauge what their thinking is um that will make your 45-day revision
um in August uh super important for you so not something to skip there are a lot I don't know what your history is here a lot of districts don't do the 45-day revision the code says it's a shall not a May um but for you that it will be
essential because that will update you and your community post state budget adoption and that will be very important okay do we all want to take a five minute break yes superintendent's
going to talk thank you thank you so much for coming here and explaining all that and I think you just became Mrs Kenny's best friend um because she really wants us to always do that 45 day update but um um we really appreciate your advice
and you know just um before we go into our next presentation it's it's been very challenging for us to have to reduce our budget and you know propose reducing staff because it's just a terrible time and you know you've been in the meetings when I've I'd say begged
asked and I describe the situation everybody gasps right all the legislators because they don't have an answer right and they're telling us we have to go forward with this um you in order to become a healthier District but I hope that you know you can you can
help us through through some of this and even with the pain that everybody's feeling we're going relatively conservative based on our problem because we're hoping that some of the things can change for us in the future and I remind you all that this is
preliminary um final decisions can be made things can be reversed later I say that with absolute sensitivity to the fact that when the staff that receives that notice everything drops for them right
um and that spreads the morale throughout your schools and that impacts instruction for kids right um I I know that very very well I again I've spent a lot of many years in this environment um
I have been I've been in this seat where we've proposed reductions and then seen the actual well I didn't deal with the names right I dealt with the the bigger picture than to see the people that come to the podium they're the teachers that when
they were in college taught our little kids how to swim right they were teachers our kids had as elementary kids um they were teachers that work next to my wife and we go to dinner on the weekends right so um I I I understand
that um it's just diff it's never it it's always difficult this particular environment makes it even more so but you have the overall responsibility for the whole district and all the kids and I know you all understand that very
clearly thank you very much thank you yes Michelle I just wanted us to take note of the time and uh make a I guess I'll make a motion to extend it I was going to say 12 I don't think we need to go till 12:
I was going to say 11:30 I just want to be safe I did not want to go to the next day I want to be safe but that's why I was going to say 12 what do you think 12 I don't want to do 12 but I was going to propose 11:30
but okay 11:45 second all right and we're all we're we're all in agreement on that everybody okay oh oh Patrice I keep forgetting Patrice so we have to roll roll yeah
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ahead and so we will have item number three budget recommendations by the superintendent's leadership [Music] team e go ahead all right so we're going to talk about funding contest context and fiscal
Outlook which obviously Mr fine covered a lot of the Statewide and National Trends uh we'll talk a little bit more about how that impacts paity and unified uh we'll talk about the Strategic plan and our guiding principles the superintendent budget advisory committee
the comprehensive planning process specifically related to Staffing teachers to ratio impact on personnel and then the overall reductions so as you know we've made several presentations over the last several months related to our fiscal Outlook uh
back in June of course when we adopted our budget we adopted a fiscal stabilization plan in August an update on the superintendent's budget advisory committee September are un audited and actuals and then back in December our first ANM report and another update on the superintendent's budget advisory
committee each of those presentations had information that's kind of uh I think laid the groundwork for the recommendations tonight so first PD's fiscal Outlook um as mentioned that this is impacting the majority of districts in our state PD's
enrollment continues to decline each year on the next slide I'll I'll show some data on on that again as as Mr fine mentioned our onetime Co relief funds have been fully expended they were fully expended as of the end of last school year and then State funding this year was lower than previously anti ated Mr
fine also mentioned that after pandemic years where we had relatively High colas um that is no longer the case this year and in the future after years of surpluses PD had a general fund unrestricted operating deficit last school year um after again
years of surpluses because of high levels of funding from the state and federal government we did spend more than we brought in last year for the first time in years and that trend is projected to continue in in the future so while this La this next point
is was not reflected at first interim our districts unduplicated pupil percentage or up is almost 4 percentage points lower this year which has a significant negative impact on lcff Revenue so a main a big component of
lcff Revenue are supplemental concentration Grant funds and those both of those sources of funding are based on the number and percent of unduplicated students again that's students that are eligible for prer to dis launch or in
other words low-income students as well as English Learners or students with limited English proficiency and Foster Youth and so when districts serve uh lower percentage of those students because sometimes demographics just change um we receive less
funding uh due to our fiscal Outlook Leo has required us to submit fiscal stabilization plans as part of our recent budget adoption and and interm reports so as I mentioned declining enrollment it's a long-term Trend you'll see here this is just 10e snapshot and
it's been an average decline of about 2.2% each year again we're not the only District facing this declining enrollment but because virtually all of our funding is based on enrollment and attendance kind of a function of enrollment and attendance this trend has
a very substantial impact on our funding level so the budget Outlook uh Statewide uh so the governor's proposed budget that was mentioned a few times tonight already included some positives things that will have a positive impact on on Revenue all
things being equal uh there's a student support discretionary block grant uh additional funding for learning recovery emergency block grant an increase in the TK add-on and uh the Ada hold harmless that you heard a lot about already tonight I
should know note that of these four only the last one the PD Ada hold harmless will be reflected at second interim so we're going to be back together in a couple weeks for second interim um the recommendation from Leo as well as other sources is that we cannot yet include
the potential revenue of those first three items at this time um their proposals their new uh sources of funding some some negatives or things that are going to have a negative impact on uh finances are what uh Mr also
mentioned is the cola for next year is 2.43% and as he also mentioned ultimately it'll likely be even lower in the state's final budget and that's down from 2.93% so this is not yet reflected in our finances the negative impact on the of that lower Cola is not yet
reflected uh in our multi-year projection so this is uh the multi-year projection this is something that we shared at first interim and um what you'll see in the light blue versus the dark blue was where we were in September as of unaudited actuals and then where
we were at first interim so this is a slide that we shared at first interim and um the Improvement here that you see is principally due to the parcel tax and so the parcel tax has come up a lot we're very grateful to our voters for
approving the parcel tax it's very important it's an very important source of funding but as you'll see while it has a positive impact it does not change the fact that if no action is taken by the district that we will ultimately
have all things being equal not only a substantial negative ending balance in our general fund unrestricted by 26 27 of Nega $37 million but already a negative $2 million ending balance by the end of next school
year so this is what we mean when we talk about the challenging fiscal Outlook that we face now again we're not the only District facing this trend and as we've talked about a lot before what drives this trend is that when we spend more than we bring in and that
difference the overspending beyond what we're bringing in has to come from somewhere and where that comes from is is our reserves and while it's true has been pointed out by some public speakers and others tonight that we currently have substantial ending balances
reserves savings they're projected to be fully depleted and in fact go negative over the next few years and so um I I obviously this fiscal Outlook while while we're not alone and facing
it is is very difficult because it it it means that we have to we're confronted with very difficult decisions and I think it's it's understandable to want to wait right to to want to to fur some of these decisions um and I think it's it's of
course it's human nature it's we are all in education because we care about students the ones that we're serving today um to want to want to wait on those difficult decisions but I think it's important to note that um those future
students that I think sometimes it's it's they're they they seem somewhat abstract um that we need to think about the impact of our decisions on the those students of the future but I think it's important to note that those students of the future are already in our schools
a student that's in transitional kindergarten is with us for over a decade more and so those students and the resources that we have available for them in the future those students are already with us we're already serving them and so that's why it's so important
to make the important decisions that we need to now because we're already are serving those students um I did mention this at first interum it's it's uh important to mention the things that are not reflected in the multi-year projection I mentioned a few already any future changes in compensation or anything in
our negotiated agreements that have any cost associated with them are not reflected and so to the extent those agreements include things that cost money uh they will make that Outlook uh worse um any unknown liabilities that that we may not be aware of but that
also have a cost associated with them are also of course not reflected and then the potential impact of any economic downturn beyond what we've experienced is not reflected um any potential reductions other than what's been reflected in for example Federal funding is not
reflected and any new major programmatic or operational Investments that that might be made are not reflected so anything that might cost money or anything that might reduce our revenues is not reflected in the numbers that you
saw so the Strategic plan is obviously a document an important document that guides and informs a lot of decisions that we make not all of them are Financial a lot of the decisions that we make day-to-day that don't necessarily have a cost associated with them are
also informed by the priorities set by the board and by the district um an effective and responsive and accountable district is the the the the goal the priority that you see there in yellow um that is obviously a really important um
strategic priority and when we think about responsible budgeting f sustainability I think it fits best in in that uh strategy so addressing the budget shortfall there were two processes that
identified the budget reductions we're presenting tonight the first is one that uh I think has been well discussed publicly over the last several months which is a superintendent budget advisory committee and the other is the comprehensive planning process that we do every year um after the fire
staff had discussions with fmat you saw Mr fine here as well as with Leo and the State Board of Education about how to approach budget reductions and potential layouts due to what happened with the fires um all three advis PD to move forward with the reductions that were planned before the fire and I think you
heard Mr fine talk a little bit about that about the pre-fire challenges we were facing the need to address them um we do expect support from the state uh commitments that we've gotten verbally as well as the intent language you saw in the trailer language for the
Ada hold harmless the the hold harmless that we would have received in any case this year as well as for next year U but that's really meant to address and mitigate the impact of the fire itself and unfortunately is not sufficient to address the challenges
that we were facing before the fire the proposed reductions also should be noted that we're going to present tonight are not sufficient to close the short based again on those first interim projections but are what we believe the school system can prudently Implement at
this time okay so um based on those projections the reductions that we're recommending tonight alone are not going to be sufficient to close that entire shortfall okay but again we think it's what we can responsibly and prudently Implement at this time also important to note that we are
not proposing any reductions based on any potential loss of enrollment due to the fire okay that's another thing that that we got guidance some from guidance from also thick matat and the State Board of Education was definitely address the challenges that you are
facing pre-fire but don't make any prospective reductions on top of that because of the impact that we may ultimately experience due to the fire and one of the biggest impacts that we do expect to have is uh less enrollment even than we were
projecting before the fire [Music] all right so as Mr Bravo KY um mentioned we engaged in two different processes to uh really come to this General overall reduction recommendation for you tonight and I will be talking about the first one the superintendent's budget advisory
committee process and Dr Canal will be addressing um the comprehensive planning process that we utilized um it is a refresher because while it was just a few months ago um it's you know been a year so we did conduct this process
actually uh throughout the fall semester um and it we utilized a training model we ensured that there were staff presentations that were comprehensive and detailed and then we allowed for deliberations between individual committee members and then debriefed in
a whole group discussion to ensure that what we had landed at was uh what was comprehensible to the group that process was based on um a text by William Austin School budgeting for hard times so that the uh you can be reminded that we uh
followed a unknown um process that that can be applied in these kind of situations we did so because we wanted to ensure transparency and organization for how the process was conducted it was at the time a very laborious effort
because not only were we um unpacking uh all of the different services that are provided centrally uh but we were also needing to describe the impact and the consequences of of certain positions the way that it was done was we had a
diverse uh committee that was made up of Representative groups of Staff as well as students and families Community Partners um and staff uh was as diverse as teachers administrators classified staff Etc so in this
process we looked at Central funds first this this process was intended to review things that were not classroom um based in particular that these were uh these were Services contracts uh Material supplies Etc all of the things that that
we could eek out of the central uh uh uh general fund packages were presented with percentages fromo 70% 80% 90% or 100% funding and what the the committee did
was uh listen to all of this deliberate and rank essentially what uh particular package based on the area did they prioritize and so the final ranking is going to be shared with you here and I
want to make two notes one is that again this process of ranking did not necessarily mean that they were ranking categories by Department it wasn't that we prefer Wellness Services over human resources it was a rank of the budget
package within each of those categories because we acknowledge that all of these departments provide essential Services the second thing that I want to note is that within the these priorities we actually took the recommendations of
the superintendent's budget advisory committee in whole meaning that the prioritization that they um provided for each of these departments is the recommendation that we went with with the exception if you you'll notice of facilities and maintenance and wellness Services you'll notice that they still
have some slight reductions uh facilities and maintenance actually still says 100% but it's actually I think about 98% um and that's my mistake for not correcting that and then Wellness Service uh Services uh they had actually prioritized at 100% but we did do some reductions which I'll talk about
momentarily so their uh package ended up being approximately 95% funded so the the statement around it being a central fund is also a misnomer because Central funds still support School sites this
was not simply there is no way that we could say that these reductions do not impact operations at school sites or services at school sites in fact most of these services are two School sites and four School sites so in uh describing
why Wellness Services is uh funded at 95% what you'll notice is that later on when Dr Canal um discusses actually no I'm sorry later on when we talk about the certificated layoff resolutions you'll notice that there is um an item
for teachers and special assignment that are reduced these are instructional coaches El coaches and RTI Wellness coaches uh and teachers those are Central funded um positions they do they were um considered Within These um
Within These buckets about a year ago on March 4 14th of 2024 we actually came to you on the first round of fiscal stabilization and in that time period we had uh recommended the closure of approximately 100 Central positions again trying to
stay away from from the classroom impact as much as we could in that time we shared with you that in this school year we would be redesigning the instructional and wellness coaching model to reimagine what it would be like if we had fewer uh Personnel to be able
to carry that out so that is what is coming to fruition in the sense that while these uh packages are funded at 80 90 95% each of those packages contains one of these categories of these coaches or these teachers in special assignment
so you'll see that there's a reduction that's listed on that certificated layoff list of about 57.5 I believe however we actually still have categorical funded uh funds and um restricted budget that pays for a portion of these individual salaries so
what it's accounted for in the reduction is the parts of their salary that come from the general fund the our intent and hope is to utilize these additional categorical um and restricted budgets to still bring
back coaching positions so that schools are not divested of all of the support that they have in those areas so there will still be support in those areas at the schools but obviously with less Personnel the reason why they will appear on the layoff is because those
positions cannot continue to exist in their uh current job description because conditions will have changed and so a new a redesign of this model is what we are uh working on now and for the comprehensive planning
process i s that to Dr canel thank you Dr Chan Hill so it's been mentioned a couple of times that these superintendent budget advisory committee and the other bucket as I keep referring to it was uh looked
at um primarily by meeting with principles and getting collecting their input and providing them with an analysis of their sites and enrollment throughout the years um part of the planning process um when we
Implement um ratios uh which is already part of the collective bargaining agreement um is looking at uh the Education Code looking at the collective bargaining agreement um and looking at the different looking at the different
Avenues in terms of how we Implement these items um PSD was in a position to staff an excess of those ratios that has been uh discussed several times because of the covid relief funds so that have expired but since those have been fully
expended then we have to now look to see how is it that our new reality without those funds and part of that process is why we're here today the teaching sta the teacher Staffing ratios uh which is not new to most of you um provides you
some lens into uh the classroom sites so for example you have the grade spans the ratio and the source of the ratio the ratio is not a hard cap and you heard earlier presentations of that um but if you look at enrollment throughout our
district uh so if it says for example 32.7 32.75 that is not the actual it's not a hard cap so the enrollment could be lower or could be higher than that specific number but overall as a ratio
it cannot be above that um one of the things to consider is in looking at our ratios and what they currently are they have been traditionally quite low um below that even racial number of the classrooms so there are several classrooms that you would see that do
not even um reach to that um to that number the impacts the elimination recommendations has been mentioned has been part of the esack but I'm going to go into a little bit more in terms of the actual Staffing ratios and how that came to be so I began to mention typically Staffing is done in uh
districts depending on the year uh when in the year we're going to be ending it begins in the spring the later you wait in a school year the more information you have the better your uh predictions are going to be so there are in fact predictions based on enrollment Trends because you don't know who's going to
show up however as the years have uh has begun earlier most districts have begun to plan for that right around February so right before uh the spring in terms of formulating what the classrooms are
going to be looking like we the earliest uh uh implementation of this is something that we did this year we began talking and having discussions and making plans in November to meet with all of our sites um in December so this process began in November with the
planning and in December with meeting to give you an idea in the room um the three divisions were Implement were there so um Dr Chan Hill uh B Karimi uh we had additional staff such as Dr Alazar Dr Malone who supervises
principles and we made individual appointments with each principal to talk about the enrollment trends for the last 7 to 10 years we also talked about the trend in terms of Staffing the example that I can give you is if we had a th000
students and we had 100 teachers but now we have 750 students but yet we still have the same number of teachers talking about that the attrition of students did not match the staff that we currently have today so we discuss those and we
asked them to look at their um Master schedules to see where we had those low enrollments for example so if we had low enrollments in certain sections of how they would um do their master schedule without those FTE uh for for various
different reasons again we had ex extra staff to support the needs that we had at the time because we have that additional funding but that additional funding has gone so we had those discussions with them there were several principles uh with more than half of the school sites we actually had several meetings with them because we wanted
them to have a thought process to think about what the campus would look like given that the attrition of students in that match the current Staffing model that they currently had so we had several discussions with them we wanted them to be invested in part of that process um and that those discussions
did revolve around what Dr Chan Hill just talked about because they are at their SES their toas were part of that discussion and collecting their input of how that would look like moving forward so it was a collaborative process within the three divisions uh with the sites um
discussing the attrition data discussing the exploration of the funds discussing how each of their staff members were being funded as you know sometimes uh folks are funded through uh several different funding sources uh and something unique to our campuses as well
is that we also do Staffing with uh funds that are donated to sites which is unique um you heard um uh Mike fine talk about that typically they strongly recommend not hiring folks with onetime
funding um I would be interested to see what he says about donations and hiring staff with that um but maybe I'll ask them um separately on the side um but that is something that is very unique to Pasadena because the Staffing directly
um is dependent upon those donation of those funds so something to think about as well when we talk about whether or not staff's going to be returning this image is um uh part of the presentation these numbers come from the resolutions that
um that are before you uh coming up shortly what I attended to do here was break down uh some of the numbers so I wanted to give you a little bit of context so the certificate FTE um mentioned how many of the FTE were Bren up either through the Staffing to Ratio
or through the sback recommendations the next column talks about vacancies but I broke up the vacancies for example on the certificated uh by two different so temp contracts um and vacancies true vacancies meaning there's no one sitting
in those positions the temp contracts there is someone sitting in that position when we hired staff on a temp contract they are informed that it is is for that one school year so there's a begin date and there's an end date to their contract but nonetheless there is
somebody sitting in that position but by implementing the 10 contracts that means that by closing that position for example that that means that we're not laying off a permanent staff member as well although it is still painful but it does provide that Avenue for the
district so if you look on the third column certificated 27 of the 59 uh positions um are being held by 10 contract which means if we don't those positions are still with us but it will be a reassignment from a permanent staff
member into that temp contract position so the total of those would be 44 at temp contracts of folks that would not be returning um because they're serving in those positions the classified I provided um I think the columns are uh
uh I try to follow the same uh pattern between them however obviously the third column for classified staff is a uh provided a little bit more detail for you of those 20 FTE it includes reassignments um without an FTE reduction so I get to go into a former
position and if my currently is 6 hours that position may still be 6 hours uh number two reassignments with FTE reductions it may mean that I'm in a six-hour position and the position that I'm going back to where I have seniority might be a 4H hour position or a 5H hour position and the reassignment to a lower
class could mean that um I was I'm an uh office manager and perhaps and although that's not on the I'm using that as an example only um if I held a previous lower class then I'm being moved to another previous class that is lower than the currently one that I'm sitting but I'm still have a position in the
district so those are just three examples of uh that column of reassignments for classified employees which is unique to the uh reassignments for the certificated so that's the difference between that third column between the two certificated and the classified
staff sometimes I'm asked what governs the process how do you choose the individuals so we don't choose the individuals when we go through this process there's a very scripted process for this um and I put the um per information there to you for you it's uh
obviously the education code is very scripted and tells us how the process that's going to be followed the collective bargaining agreements provide a a direction in terms of how that process should take uh needs to take place um so it is and it is very much
dependent on senority uh as part of that process so we don't choose the individual it really is based on seniority it's based on the collective bargaining agreement and it's B based on the Education Code uh when it comes to that and obviously there's a significant impact if uh the resolutions um are not
approved and moving forward uh and obviously um meeting the statutory deadlines becomes an issue the grant total um for all of that is7 million for the central reductions uh from the ESC process 5 million of classroom reductions from Staffing uh to teachers
to ratio uh 12 million of the total ongoing uh reductions uh that you see before you and we'll open it up all for questions thank you thank you very much that was very interesting I'm sure there's going to be a lot of discussion here does
anybody have anything to start off with Miss Kenny could we go back to the slide with the uh classroom Staffing ratios Ste it so just just wanted to
remind us and and people who might be watching that while in Elementary so the first three lines because students are in the same classroom all day with their teachers when we have a staffing ratio that is typically then the size of a
classroom yes yes there are averages Etc when we staff for middle school and high school the teachers have a prep period so they're only teaching five out of six periods when they're in that sixth period the kids have to go somewhere else who would normally be with that
teacher so those Staffing ratios or how we assign the teachers to the classes sorry to the sites will not reflect what the average class size again I'm saying average which is 35 students so I just I don't
want anyone to walk away thinking oh if my student has 32 kids in their class obviously the class is overcrowded correct I have a quick question about that slide um so I don't know why I think TK is 20
and not 24 this this year is 24 to1 next year it changes okay okay got [Music] um I just wanted to say that we're in a pivotal time in for in the field of
education and the last month and a half five five small liberal colleges have closed in the last weeks right in 2025 Across the Nation
so um for many of you you know that my day job is also in education and I spend three four five hours per week in meetings talking about budgets and education and
I just don't want anybody to think that Pasadena is [Music] exceptional there is a lot of pressure all across the state all across different levels of the education system um to deal with the decline in
enrollment across the country of uh and and all of the other implications that that has on education in addition we have a trend in our federal
policy that looks quite discouraging as we start looking at some of the proposed legislation that will have a direct impact in the work that we do and then we have the third layer that's very
specific to our community which is the Environmental crisis that we're going through so I think that we have three very particular sit situations that are complicating what will be an ongoing
Trend and I feel like I have to say that because um we said that last year in March in April in May in June we then created a
task force to address it um we left here in December knowing that this is where we were going to be this year only delayed by extenuating circumstances that have only made our
situation even more precarious right [Music] so this is a very difficult situation but it is not a surprise um as we move forward because I
understand very very well that we are going to have a persistent we're going to have to be here again here I really feel strongly that we really need to look at some of
the contracts and some of the contracts that we have in this district and really make strides towards eliminating some and and evaluating and really assessing the effectiveness of some of the contracts that we have if do we have
measures to to really understand whether or not the outcomes of that investment are yielding any results and even if they are they have to be really significant because we're not in a position to continue to
support all of the contracts so I need everybody in this community that whose work is supported by contracts to know that their situation in the very near future will change very drastically
[Music] um I come from an environment where it's it's just so funny because on Fridays I am arguing with my Provost how can you run a university
without professors and then on Thursday I'm arguing here um well we do need the comprehensive student right so there is some cognitive dissonance in my own
discourse and I'm very much in conflict because of that um but ultimately here's my rationale and that is when you trim the F it's not
enough when which is something that I've been trying to tell my colleagues at my workplace too if we eliminate all of the VPS it's not enough and and that is a very difficult thing to accept and understand and and
embrace because the need far exceeds the resources and we value all of the services that we give and provide here in PSD other we wouldn't give them
um but we do not have the resources to meet all of the program and position demands that we have currently and we
knew it in March we knew it in April we knew it in May we've known it in December and we've been agonized iing since January 8th because we knew we were going to have to be [Music]
here the last thing I want to say is I value teachers and I appreciate families and I
value and I love this city I've personally gave up a lot to love this [Music] city a whole ocean and we're going to have to have
conversations that start from a point of the Assumption of Good Intentions I'm going to say something that I've never said here but as we move forward we're going to have to
[Music] consider the consolidation of programs if we continue to face sign significant
Cuts in enrollment Mr Harden so um I appreciate all of the Preamble because it it help set the stage for the fact that as we indicated that colleagues are indicating this has
been a and it um a challenge for us uh not just since the fires but well before uh so I appreciate that that detail um you know it's it's tempting to get into what if ISM um so I want to restrain myself on that um but I will say given
what we've heard tonight and the state of of uh where we are today uh having just come through this this uh disaster uh wellness and mental health are important for our kids more than
ever um I worry about um any impacts that we're going to make to Wellness Services it concerns me I know uh I believe we need those now more than ever um I think we're looking at at cutting a
significant number of of Wellness Resources um in our TOA pool um can you talk a little bit about you know what the future looks like now that we'll have you know gone gone through that
you're talking about I think Dr Hill said you know there's going to be a restructuring to you know to that program a little bit to kind of fill the Gap can you can you maybe talk about that a little bit in terms of implementation moving forward and I'll
include Dr Roso also because you know the wellness I I just really have to give a lot of um kudos to her and her team for for getting us to where we are now which in light of This Disaster doesn't even feel like it's enough right um I I will be very honest that you know
I think all of us in this room and outside of this room uh really we hoping that somehow $37 million would be gifted to us you know um be because certainly um you know as Mr fine was saying
pre-fire we we were already grappling with how hard it would be to let go of some of these services and so now postfire um we really see that the long-term effects require some study um you know support uh however we have been talking
prior to that about the position of the coaches right is only one factor in providing Wellness Services it's a very important factor I don't want to Discount that we are certainly folks who um you know I think have advocated for for teachers and special assignment and
having coaches um and in fact over time having coaches who specialize not just in one area but in another and in another it that was a a luxury that we were given and that we thank the public and the board for because um what we
really know a as teachers in our core is that when you step into a classroom and you serve students you serve the whole child anyway I'm not there just as a math teacher I am not there just as uh someone who's dispensing information on the academic end I have to ensure that I
have relationships with my students I have to ensure that they are doing okay so that we can be ready to learn and sometimes we might not be ready to learn and we we handle that too and so um educators are equipped on many levels to to take care of the whole child we've
had the luxury in these coach positions to specialize but I would never say that a wellness coach couldn't also help you with your academic instruction I would never say that an instructional coach couldn't also help you with wellness and so um I think we do have to come back to
a time where we remember who we are foundationally in Our Roots what we were trained to do um as Educators and so that's really kind of the core of what this redesign might look like um you know that for several years we've been uh working to implement a framework
around multi-tiered systems of support mtss and that really is what mtss is asking us to do is to take care of the component parts of academics alongside social emotional behavioral attendance engagement all of those good things
because they recognize how importantly and in intricately Connected they all are so our coaching model is going to look at it returning to that kind of foundation we do not have um I mean we have draft proposals that have been written we have uh you know we've
redrafted job descriptions in no way do we expect people who used to specialize in three things that are now going to be um intersected to do all of the exact same tasks of three individual people
however nuances and priorities in each of those areas can still be addressed with a support person at a school site so I don't know if Dr roson wants to speak about other areas of Wellness yeah well I think it's a great question
and I think um in my many many years of being an educator um it is always a promise to evaluate and to reflect on what you've built and what you've seen and the goodness and the facts and the challenges and um and I think that's
where we're at right now um as Dr Hill mentioned we did launch our multi-tiered systems of support and that's a place where we need to give um complete support to our classroom teachers they are the ones who are with our kids all day long not a coach not a wellness
teacher not an e coach although absolutely instrumental and have the expertise that I am so proud to be be a part of but I do believe that our teachers are capable and they are wonderful and they can do this I think they've also had incredible support if
we're speaking about the RTI Wellness specifically um they have had great support and I think they have come alongside our teachers and I was just speaking with one of our RTI Wellness teachers today and she says they're ready they can do this you know and and
and because of their investment in the Educators in the classroom they are the ones who we have to count on the most and I will stand by each and every one of our teachers to provide that support whatever that is we're working with Western justice but this new approach to what we're looking at and in the new
design goes along with our strategic plan it honors every single one of those areas and that is where we're at and we are a district that has always been on the front lines being Innovative and looking at what is best for our students and how do we make sure that our teachers are prepared and the best
Educators that we can Poss possibly have and I don't think this is going to be any different it's it's a time of evaluation and this is what we need to do but as Dr Hill has said earlier we're not going to go without um we've seen many different forms of this but social emotional learning equips our students
to be academically ready and so we know that that's going to be a compilation and we're going to do an even better job I know with this but I have to say first and foremost I've loved being a part of what we've done over the last couple years it has changed the way we look at things in this District um and I know it will continue to
strengthen the work we do anybody else Miss Freds Dr Hill I'm GNA keep following up with the same line of questioning I guess I'm just not getting like the um I'm trying to imagine what you're talking about with the
restructuring uh so I'm just going to say is this does this mean the these new um job descriptions will be one person handling three roles or is this like um you know one
person wearing Three Hats or is it like we just laid off these three people that have these Specialties and now we're going to make this existing staff member do that three those three things I'm I'm just not picturing what you're sure I
think what you described is actually all things that are not how we want them to be SE so so thank you for for the opportunity to clarify no we I actually was able to attend the coach's weekly meeting this Monday that's where uh the toas have their
their Network and um and I reminded them of a time I mean I've been here for 25 years so we've gone through a lot of ups and downs and changes when I first came into um the school district I was teaching at Washington Middle now Octavia Butler and at the time that school had something called a CRT a
curriculum resource teacher and some an an Eldor teacher a language development resource teacher I found out later when I went to other schools that other schools only had maybe acrt or something like that um however this was sort of the the mentor person the person who would you know help you you know
organize your materials as a new teacher I thought that they were very supportive you know coming to my classroom and kind of guiding me observing me giving me feedback um and then we shifted to a model where okay we did not have that anymore we now have this sort of total package of an instructional coach
because technically as a teacher you not only take care of instruction you take care of language development for your English Learners who are in your classroom you take care of um any accommodations and ratifications that your students with IPS have you you have a mixed bag and you you have a mixed
skill set and so when we transitioned to the time of the instructional coach that was really sort of the intent is that we coach teachers into sort of that multi skill set um application and so over time and with
emergency funds we were able to say you know what we can give more people to help with these same things and so over time we sort of specialized and said you can take care of the instructional piece and you can take care of the wellness piece but truly at the core we've always
kind of taken care of both and so schools that and at the onset of each of these positions including the yel coach there were schools who didn't necessarily have three individuals either some had two some had one some had three and so um there's always been
um sort of a fluidity in terms of what that coach coaches into um and I would say that in any time when you can have more of something you would typically say good then you can help more people so maybe it helped you sort of um scale
out more but all of these individuals really at the core were coaching into sort of improv practices maybe in their area of specialty um or supporting and modeling with students and things like that in their area of specialty without the luxury of having
this job sort of be parceled out across more people the schools will have to make sort of some prioritization decisions around maybe I don't not every single teacher engages in a coaching cycle maybe I prioritize teachers who are
newer maybe I prioritize teachers who have um you know said that they need help in in a certain area and so what the job is really going to and that's why the job description is still really in development is it's taking the priority components that we say are
really important to understand for instruction that are really important to understand for social emotional wellness and are really important to understand for multilingual Learners and saying these are the kind of things that we would want this individual to come equipped with or be ready to do but it
is not taking three sep separate job descriptions and saying all of those tasks are going to go to this one person an example that we gave with the principles is that at some schools the the sheer number of students who are multilingual Learners will necessitate
that if they had a coach that that person would focus on strategies that were around English language development because that's really the primary need at the school and so that particular coach may spend more time working on those types of instructional strategies at other schools where we are seeing a
significant amount of suspension or behavioral um concerns or lack of Engagement some chronic absenteeism perhaps it's really more goals around wellness and well-being and if they have the benefit of a coach that person ends up focusing on strategies that are more
around that so it is true that we are asking for a multi-skilled individual to be carrying on these duties but we do not anticipate that they would meet all of the different tasks that three different individuals
used to meet does that I asked uh a teacher at a school I said what is like give me the two top positions in the school that affects all students and they said RTI coach and El
coach what's going to happen to the RTI coach and El coach at this school the RTI coach is gone right so is the El coach right I don't know which school okay well no oh well I thought all RTI we're all going so all those positions are
closing yeah yes so okay so this school then would have a different position opened up they would have a coach they would have a coach that would again and now I'm just thinking so the superintendent would like to say something so um I want to
bring up something it's okay about mental health you know um in all the people we have are valuable every single person right they help teachers they help principls they help children and we were a district
without these positions the first time I worked here in 2010 we had more children I'm not saying it was ideal situations right we had um some ldts and some instructional coaches um and children's
needs have definitely change but we still will have social workers we're still going to have counselors we're still going to have psychologists we're still going to have nurses we're still going to have school-based mental health we're still going to have the Thrive program so I don't want anyone to think
that all of a sudden we're not going to meet the mental health needs so we launched um behavioral rti in 2010 we launched it with training the teachers and the principes how to do rti in some schools out of their own categorical
money were able to create these other positions that you're you're talking about right and there was a lot of um inequity in the system and so we took Central funds because we saw these best practices when we had them and we
created these positions to address the needs and it's you know it's a really difficult time in our district is shrinking uh but we still are required to give these services to students and I don't want to promise that we can hire
these other positions that we've been reimagining because we were having the same conversations as Mr fine talked about do we ping slip everybody that's paid out of federal funds because we don't know what's going to happen and we made the decision not to do that because
we felt like well the state's going to have to step in and help us somehow because everybody's going to be in the same boat if all of a sudden our federal funding is gone um we also created uh RTI I mean English learner instructional
Aid positions in one round of the lcap where the instructional AIDS could give services and also help with the assessments of English Learners so many of our schools still have um that kind of personnel and then there is a thing in our contract that's called Edge on
duty right and all teachers are really required to do that and when you look at other districts our size and you say how do they address all of these things that are required that these people that we love and don't want to lose but you know don't have a choice right at the moment
um how do they get it done and some of it is through adjunct Duty paying additional you know um hourly money to teachers that they're people have passions right and they'll help in those areas so um it's not going to be the
same I don't want to say that it would be you know the same as having a wellness teacher all day long that any child's upset they can go to the wellness teacher but there still is going to be a lot of um additional Wellness services for the students that
attend P USD I know teachers appreciate someone that could just you know pull out a student if they just need some time and I maybe that's just a luxury now I don't I don't disagree
with them but no I agree like there was a there was a time when my kids were in elementary school and I'm like I don't remember that position you know we had the curriculum resource teacher and we didn't have RTI and so well and if I may
so we have a former colleague he was the principal in this District who's now the superintendent at Moreno Valley which is a large school district um and he text me the other day when they're making similar decisions and he said how many toses do you all have there again and I gave him the number and he said okay and
I said is that shocking to you is that good is that and he said we have 28 for the entire School District I don't and so again I mean different positions different priorities different things so I do think that um I have valued these
positions very I mean I've been before I can't deny that I'm the one who who's asked you for these positions in the past I you know have feel a lot of guilt in maybe not having the foresight to think about the long-term you know impact of of having this many positions
but but we we do consider their work valuable and I I'm very happy to hear that a teacher said that the two most impactful positions were those too but adjustments will have to be made so like I said there's nothing here that wouldn't impact a school at this point
but we are going to mitigate it to the best of our ability and you know really ensure that that we focus on the other Personnel who we do still have the ability to employ who can can support in these areas so and strengthen what we
you know the what we can do with our teachers uh Dr Canal um you were talking about having earlier estimates for Staffing like you started that like in November then December you met with the
principles so are you hoping that that will become earlier and earlier so that estimations wait no not really an earlier yeah it would be earlier right is that what you're or do you think that is the the best timing yes this is
definitely the earliest I've ever uh done the projections uh I mentioned uh most folks uh do it around spring uh and that is the time that um budget begins to ask for information as well so that's the time that typically we would um look
at the data and the more data that you have obviously obtained the better your projections um have begun last year we started I want to say it was February um perhaps the latest March but I know that we began right around February and um
I'll do a little shout out to uh Dr reny wherever he's at he worked really hard where um um although I heard that he watches every now and then so so maybe he's out there watching so Dr reny and Dr alkazar uh as you know my director in HR um went in a room and for a couple of
days and um really looked at a model for trying to to help with our attrition rates and really by great level by cohorts cohort is the survival cohort of all my first graders who are now become second my second graders who become third uh we call that a survival cohort
rate um and really looking at that data and if I'm not mistaken um the work that Dr renie and this uh model that he helped build with working with Dr alkazar really give us um a really good um predictor in terms of our enrollment
for the following year I think we we were the closest um that pastina has ever been in terms of projecting enrollment that's always super helpful to determining our staff staffing needs um bless you um but so the earliest that
I would um have done is December I I'm still comfortable um definitely with the numbers that were using for predicting for Staffing I would not recommend doing it any earlier than the December um uh so that is the earliest I don't know any other folks in the sanabo valley that
started doing their Staffing um I think part of the reason for us was knowing that we were going to have these difficult decisions because when we when we ended last year as has been mentioned by some of the members of the board last year there was already conversation about some of these tough decisions that
were going to have to be done this year um and there was already a decision about forming the ass back so with that in mind that is what caused us to start looking at Staffing earlier hence the beginning the the conversations in November and the reason we started
November is because you need a fixed point in time to look at enrollment Trends and we typically use uh Census Data uh so the October data was captured uh by the states and we use that um as a point of reference throughout the last seven or 10 years so we have to wait
till that day occurs once that date is reported then we start Gathering the data in November to meet in December I wouldn't suggest doing it any earlier than December but it's proven to be we were being Mindful and planning ahead to doing our staffing models for this year so that kind of gives you a little bit
about the timeline would I recommend doing it any earlier than that no and we definitely couldn't do it before October because we wouldn't have the Census Data to begin with and that's what begins the process so what I'm getting at is I think you're trying to get the right
timing such that it's as accurate of numbers as we can get so we're not overstaffing then we got to lay off a bunch of people and then it's so just traumatic so is that what you're sort of getting absolutely um to be at yes okay
and then um I don't know if anybody explained yet the um esack the superintendent budget advisory committee had recommended facilities and wellness at 100% funded but then we the staff
recommended 98 and 95 did anybody explain the Gap there and why yeah certainly I think they did they did prioritize them uh maintaining their packages we still found in uh the wellness Services I think has been explained with the inclusion of the RTI
Wellness coaches in in the coach redesign um and the facilities and maintenance I actually think you would have more detail but we did find some reductions that they were able to make given that prior that now that we had the referendum on the bond and all of that that um that we were able to say
that maybe these are cuts that we could make reasonably right now are these like vacant positions or what is C so I I should clarify that the the esac committee priority ranked the packages
they didn't say cut this and don't cut that okay so there were priority rankings um we use that to inform the packages that would get reduced and so um but there were still some efficiencies that we could find even in the Departments that were prioritized
the highest facilities was one of those so um they weren't vacancies there were as positions in facilities that were eligible to be funded with bond funds but were not previously funded with bond funds and it was sufficient to to
produce about $300,000 in savings okay thank you Miss Kenny um I know we've had a bunch of contacts tonight both um from FM and then from you guys and I just wanted to
add a little bit more um I think we have to recognize that PD had budget surpluses for quite a few years but we didn't um really kind of share that with our employees but that really has
changed over the last three years with significant increases to salaries so that we you know so we made a lot of progress in getting our salaries comparable to other districts or I should say our total compensation um and those actions really did have an
effect on our expenditures they really increased what we spend but I mean it was the right thing to do so I'm not saying we shouldn't have done it I'm saying we should have done it we did it but it had an effect it's one of the factors that has helped us be in the position we're in and there's a couple
things that I want to remind us um that we're were're factors we talked a lot about maybe five seven years ago but they haven't gone away and those two are employee benefit costs such as pensions and health benefits and the cost of
special education so we don't talk about them as much but they they are still there and so before the meeting I was comparing 23 24 actuals with 134 actuals so kind of like Mr Hine did about um looking at a 10-year interval lcff
Revenue increased almost 70% during that time even as we've had declining enrollment because it was not fully funded at the beginning um but employee benefit costs have grown by 130% and that was everything all together but
we know that pension costs went up a lot we know we've had a little reprieve on health care but it is starting to go up again as well special ed education expenditures have increased by approximately 125% so more than
doubled and within that expenditures on special ed services have increased by over 360% so these are just kind of these ongoing factors so even as we get past kind of the the crunchin right now where
the hold harmless from CO's going away and the kind of Cliff of the onetime funding these things are still with us and will continue to be with us [Music] um and I don't want to say too much about this tonight because I think we'll
there'll be more conversations the future but I kind of want to reflect on the process of budget and Personnel decisions from this year and last year and and express a hope for the future I I don't
think that the board has had a very significant role in the process of coming up with the budget decisions and then it comes us to us here in the February time frame when we're dealing with Personnel R reductions and we are
struggling a little bit to to figure out what they mean in terms of the impact to our students and so I know if we can't figure it out probably it's not as easy to understand for our families and our other staff and
so for instance the sback and and I know that we saw all the material the com the committee saw and I still am trying to figure out from this package to this package what went away what was kept um I'm hoping that we can figure out a way
where they're that we can improve this and and I think there are benefits to doing that um as the elected representatives of the community we really hear from people about what they value and need to be able to reflect
that back I don't think that we need to be saved from having to make these decisions this is this is this is what this job is and and really helping translate the values and the wants and
the desires of the Strategic plan into the district and the vision of the district we want to build that's this is what the budget is I mean it feels like oh cuts are all we're doing is cutting but we're really saying the one thing we still really value is this and that's
why I might have to let go of this this and this because I remember what we really really value and we're all together on that so I think also we need to come up with a comprehensive vision for the future of the district that is what we really need to do here so we
have two more people we have M McKenzie and then public comments [Music] so oh yes and then Miss Bailey McKenzie [Music] Bailey can you hear us yes okay so I'm
just going to say briefly that nobody runs for office to eliminate jobs and to make these kinds of difficult decisions if there were were other avenues available to us other options available to us we would be doing
anything but looking at having to accept the recommendations that have come forward to us tonight um all of us have a vested interest in our community in The District in our students and our families and our
employees as well this is not easy it is not ideal and it is not where any of us want to be yet we accepted a responsibility to carry out our fiduciary respons our
fiduciary um role as members of this governance team and it is going to require us to do things that exhibit leadership but may be unpopular and I think that this um decision before one of those time when you have to
do the thing that is unpopular yet it is the right thing and I think that there is courage in acknowledging that doing what's necessary is not necessarily what's
popular so um I am certainly not um excited about having to move forward with making this kind of a decision because one of the reasons that I even ran for the school board is because I advocated for the creation of
our RTI Wellness coaches to support our students and so now to be in position having to make cuts to those roles that I know are vital to supporting our students academic needs does not feel good so that said um I think that all of
us are struggling with um the decision before us and we are doing so under the most difficult set of circumstances yes we knew that a fiscal
stabilization plan was going to be in our future but we had no idea that it was going to be exacerbated by a natural disaster of this magnitude so it feels like we
are inflicting additional pain on people who have already suffered the unimaginable [Music] and if again if there were a way for us to not have to make this decision we would have done that we have made appeals and there has been advocacy
around all kinds of other options Avenues um ways to delay this decision um efforts to seek additional Revenue Etc and we have not had any of those
efforts um yield us another path except for what we are here to do tonight so with a very heavy heart I think that we're going to be faced to have to make very difficult decisions this evening and it does not feel good but it
is what we' have been called to do is leaders thank you Miss McKenzie Miss Bailey uh while board member McKenzie that's um yeah yeah you you hit the nail on the head
with that um thank you for your comments um I just have um I need a point of clarity um it seems like the fact that the
district was fined for um underfunding the classroom is something that's being said over and over in a way that it's implying that somehow we're we are
exhibiting bad management um as far as funds to the classroom so I would like to know if if we're overstaffed with teachers what area of the classroom was
underfunded that negated that caused us St have to get a fine or to be fined I I I I don't understand so I think you're referring to the the direct classroom expense percentage the
55% I have no idea what it is I just know that's what I'm hearing I I don't believe we were fined for it because we did apply for a waiver uh last year um and are requesting the board to approve the uh submission of a waiver also for
so for last school year would be what you would be approving tonight and then I a year ago a waiver was approved for the year before that and because of the substantial amount of essr funds that District received um
over the last two fiscal years because so much of the Esra funds were not spent on what's considered direct classroom expenditures which are really only teacher salary costs uh Personnel cost for teachers and and AIDS in the classroom because Esser was so disproportionately spent on other types
of supports um it had a huge impact on that percentage and so Statewide I think it's something like a third of districts were seeking a waiver because they were below the 55% um and the biggest Factor again was
the the existence of those covid relief funds um I believe in the 23 24 year last school year but for those Co relief funds we would have been above the required 55% so we received a fine right what
were we fined [Music] for the admin teacher ratio and I don't know if you want to talk about that a little bit but there were several factors for that yeah because it really sounds like it's a a really bad thing here so there's another state law which
is the administrator to teacher ratio and it's a requirement for districts to have I'm going to oversimplify a little bit but it's basically 8 meet administrators for every 100 teachers um it
excludes uh the administrators that are federally funded um and so there's a requirement to maintain this ratio and I believe it sounds like there was a I think was it one administrator above the ratio which
resulted in that fine of I think it was about $90,000 but for but for some additional context it's called admin teacher ratio but the law is really looking for cl in the classroom versus certificated
out of the classroom and so because we've had a lot of tosa ones and tosa 2os they're certificated staff they're not administrators with an administrator credential but in that ratio they count in the administrator bucket not the
teacher bucket depending on their duties because they're not doing instruction for kids and the admin teacher ratio is really saying do you have a lot of instruction going on and it might be the same thing on that other form because I don't know that all of the out of the teach out of the classroom teachers are
in the right object code for their salaries they're in a different salary code than the classroom teachers so again we wouldn't be counting them in the instruction total and so it might be not contributing to the 55% because
they're more supporting the teachers than doing direct so what did we just do to mitigate that the toes so so it should be getting [Music]
better so that the calculation is dependent also upon how they're funded so federally funded saying I was just trying to understand when you think administ I didn't think of the tosas as administrator and I wasn't clear that the tosas were
the factor in this whole equation I'm thinking administrators like principls or District level um administrators so thank you for helping to clear that up because it wasn't clear to me still when
it's conveyed the way it was conveyed in the room tonight and the way it's conveyed in the media it sounds as if we've done done something really wrong that we're doing something irresponsible and you know I just want
to make sure that the messaging when it doesn't sound right out there that we're clear in here you know we need to make sure that the message is clear so thank you Tina do you have a question yes and then we have to go to public comments we
got to wrap this up okay two questions did the superintendent budget advisory committee review the 70 million in Contract Services for cost cutting how much was cut due to these this in this budget why are why
not and were central office positions considered for layoffs by central office positions I'm referring to positions where employees work at the central office on a daily basis without interacting with students at the school sites so yes to your first question yes
to your last question the middle question I can't quantify right now the amount of reductions um but I can provide some clarification about this $70 million um so what it's in reference to
is last year 23 24 there were in the general fund which includes all general fund unrestricted and restricted there were $74 million of expenditures in what we call contracted services but it's basically everything that's
not a payroll Personnel expense and it's not uh supplies and it's not equipment so it's kind of a very large category of spending and it was $74 million total last school year of that $74 million 52
million of it is in general fund restricted which means they're restricted grants like the funds we get for special education from the state and federal government and in fact the largest component of that 52 million on the restricted side is for special
education um but it also includes other restricted grants so to the extent we were to reduce the spending on some of those restricted grants that would be replaced by other spending in the restricted general fund and would not NE would not result in fewer Cuts in the
general fund unrestricted okay so I think while it's true that there was 70ish million dollar spent on contracts I think mentioning that while also saying that if we were only to
reduce that we wouldn't be confronted with these difficult decisions I think is is unhelpful to the Public's understanding of what we're facing and I think the idea that there are a lot of loow hanging fruit and painless reductions that we could have made to
avoid this is not true so I do want to clarify that so of the $74 million about $22 million is unrestricted general fund the largest components of that are about $9 million for utilities electricity water
gas about $5 million is for the liability insurance that we're now making use of after the fire to compensate for the loss of our properties about $3.5 million is for transportation it's primarily also for special education students and
so there isn't a lot of fat so to speak and so I just really want to clarify that for the public because I think we do the the public a disservice when we make it seem that there are easier decisions that we're not making and so this isn't in response
to you uh board member fredex I just I just think that I think in the public discourse the the source of this information I think it's important not to mislead people and it's important not to give people false hope um and because that just makes things more painful and
and more difficult I'm going to push back a little if you heard that then if it were in the presentation then it would be immediately just dispelled as a you know yeah no that and I'm I'm I'm not responding to you as much as the responsibility I think a lot of us have
in the public discourse to not um give people false hope that we could have avoided this by some easy choices um because I think that's just a lot more upsetting uh for the public Miss
Bailey did you who else oh it's oh no okay oh it's the it's the superintendent sorry so um Mr Bravo creamy did Cover a lot of what I was going to say about contracts I do want
to say one more thing about them I think we should take the Deep dive and look at them but a lot of the contracts are paid out of categorical funds and I just want to give a couple examples of like some of the services so what we pay for maybe
I'll say a contract with college access plan might be the cost of one teacher but and that's a categorical fund it's not out of a general fund teacher but we're going to get like a whole team of people because they go out and get a
bunch of Grants besides the little money that we give them so they're servicing all of the students in the high schools right so it's the return on investment is expanded the same with like our reading Partners they get all these
grants and then they come to us and say okay we're going to bring you a whole team of volunteers to help lots of children for like seven schools for 10,000 each or 5,000 each right so when we do this deep dive on contracts we
need to look at each one individually and the funding source because we can't just transfer the Community Schools money into a general fund teacher salary or you know the the title one money or the elop money and what Mr Bravo Kimi
was describing in these contracts that are restricted are these restricted funds and many times we use these resources because they can bring more people than we would be able to hire with just one person so but it
definitely deserves a look at you know because we are going to be coming back here again like in the future having to make difficult decisions and those are the kind of things I think that Mrs Kenny was saying she like to have more choices and understanding of as well
thank you very much we will now go to public comment Francis miles Ricardo pado [Music] hello my name is Dr Ricardo pel I've
been in PD for about 25 years now already as a school psychologist and I'd like to point out a a couple things as the cuts are being considered and so and so on and so forth so on that first uh slide that you see there I kept hearing comments about
lower reduction or or um disenrollment going smaller and smaller but when you look at the special education population as as I presented last year it's not decreasing it is increasing so we need to take a closer look as to what's going
on is and I was glad to hear a little bit about M mtss RTI but what I didn't hear was any specific data as to where where are they improving or or whatnot because as you look at the other slides
that I have for you is how many FS our high school students are earning so this passive semester throughout PD high school students on on average uh 1,500 FS last school year during the spring semester
over 1,500 FS last year in the fall semester over 1,500 fs and so on and so forth so there's a lot of stuff going on that we're not uh looking more deep into well why is that why are our students
not uh passing what they need to pass and so on and so forth where where does it start where where are resources actually being allocated and I think as a couple people have already mentioned as to are we getting our our bank for our bucks and and and so and so on and so forth so that's what I want to you
you guys to H have in mind as the topic of what what cuts are going to be made because if we're going to do more Cuts I don't know if we're going to see an increase in number of fs and the number of increase in the number of specialed students uh qualifying for for for the
those Services because RTI and mtss uh is not quite working as as we would like thank you thank you all right thank you because at this time we're all despos Dr berardo and adelene
Wick no okay so we are finished with the public comment for that item and we are going to move on here action item k Dr Sergio Canal approval of resolution 2804
certificated layoffs I would offer a sweep for K1 and two [Music] motion is there a second second I would like to make a comment you may make a comment all right um I
want to make an amendment but I don't know what order I do that in all right can I make my comment yes thank you comment um so I think we all would agree that it's unfortunate always to have to to anytime have to do Personnel
reductions but but we know that our budget situation calls for reduced spending and because 80 to 90% of our education expenditures are for personnel that when we have big budget cuts it will affect people um I our fiscal
stability plan the last few meetings that we've had those presentations was about 2 5 million in budget reductions and we saw in the previous presentation that it looks like this year we're aiming to cut about 12 um so I think we all have to
recognize that we will see a similar size of cuts next year um what I'll say about these certificated reductions is that they are mainly at the school site so I know that
parents and and staff at the school sites feel very affected by it we did do a significant number of central office reductions last year um and actually a lot of the C the classified reductions are for our central office um Personnel
whether it's facilities or business um and and I want to recognize because sometimes I think we hope that even if we have fewer people we can do the same amount of work and at some point we have to recognize that people are not superhuman
beings and so there will be a reduction in services and I think we just we have to recognize that but remember which are the services that we're prioritizing and keeping Miss Fredericks I'd like to make an amendment
to K1 resolution to for the layoffs of certificated um I understand there's 22 RTI Wellness positions that are we that we're eliminating am I correct that's
the number I got the questions is it 22 or 23 I think it's 22 okay so my amendment is to keep 22 RTI that means each site would keep
their RTI and so that would bring the 57 down to um 35.5 and I understand that that position is
120,000 so do you have a recommended cut in that position to fill so if you bring them back that's going to be added costs so what are you going to substitute it for in which case staff would need to
find other areas to cut and there are areas that were not fully investigated so amend this you know and then you
find other positions or other cost okay so hold on yes there is a second there's a motion in a second no she's making an amendment yes I know but there's a motion in a second I'm saying it's her Amendment have a second okay thank you for that clarification so
she Bailey is asking a question did you no I'm good okay we need to for a second for this second you're second in this amendment sgg okay are you suggesting
the money comes from she saying remove you want to remove 22 people from reduction yes right that will change the RTI code the target yeah 2.6 million well I think it's closer to three would we say it's 15,000 roughly
per okay then i' like to make an amendment for classified employees then I mean if we're going to do this if we're going to go back to the drawing board let's go back to the drawing board we're going to have to extend this meeting but the superintendent do you
have already here we can't do it again we've had a process and we've explained the process to you so anybody who's making a suggestion don't tell the staff to go back and find more money tell me where you would like me to get the money exactly exactly so we have is there a
second for the amendment Mr Harden Mr Harden so um we're going to have friendly Amendment no we're going to vote for the amendment have to vot okay so let's we're going to call for the vote for the
amendment roll call okay um Terra buman the amend okay uh yes but I'd like to make a comment later on about this item okay well no we're moving ahead with this vote right now we don't have
that no it's about okay excuse me I am running this meeting we're moving ahead did she know what she was Voting about the [Music] ACT Scott hard
[Music] yes no no Marshall mckeny noquez no yes Jennifer hly no the motion
fail so let's have a vote on the mo I would like to make a comment first quickly all right yes so actions items action items K and one and two were heavily discussed amongst the student assembly uh the board should note that
as students ourselves the assembly represents the student body who will be severely directly affected by these layoffs our class sizes will increase affecting our ability to receive a valuable and detailed education one of
the things PD has are teachers who are student oriented and take the time to make sure their students are doing okay m mentally and academically with larger class sizes students will be under a lot of more pressure and we will have a lot less time to reach out to students also
our city just went through a horrible situation with the eaten fire some of these teachers have lost their houses and being laid off will seriously affect their situations we feel that the timing to choose to lay off 115 positions is
horrible though we have though we're not saying that it would have been better to postpone the date to give teachers notice that would have made a major effect on their ability to find another job considering they need to find a new position before the next school year from a students's perspective it's not
worth laying off 115 positions just to stay in the black for 3 years Miss Kenny you talked about the importance of focusing on what's really important to us from a students's perspective teachers are our role models and our support and they are what is
really important to us so on behalf of the student assembly our vote is no okay thank you um let's have a vote for okay well I'm going to listen to Fatima yes okay so this is I have a
motion a second for us for K1 and K2 yes that's what we're voting discuss wait okay so hold on yes we have we can do a discussion but who's first okay Bailey oh
so I hear what you're saying and I'm right there with you but I really would like for staff to explain what happens if we don't take these actions this evening as hard as it is
and talk about what you've done to try to help mitigate this briefly yes briefly Mr sonan sure so if if reductions aren't made now will necessitate substantially larger reductions the following year
um so being in the black um balancing our Outlook is not an end in and of itself it's a means to an end the means to in the end is providing for stable resources in the future for all students including those that are going to be
with us for a long time so it's not our objective to balance the budget that's not what what we're here for that's not what we care about we care about education even Mr F Mike fine who's been a finance professional in education for his entire career almost um explained it better than I can
about um with deteriorating finances um if we don't address them um it's going to affect all of the services that we provide um and all aspects of the district to more specifically answer your question ultimately if we don't act
um and our financial our level of financial distress reaches a certain level then the state would take action on our behalf the reason why that's so rare that these districts ultimately get taken over in the receivership the reason why it's so rare is because
ultimately most districts do take the necessary action any more discussion here oh no I think you wanted something about mitigated actions there wasn't a second I just want to make sure that we understand the
seriousness of this going I would like to call for the vote we're going to thank you very much roll call please no she called for the vote we're playing by the call for the vote requires a a vote call for the vote let's vote to call for
the vote can we just let her speak really quickly it's wrong the thing is when you have the discussion everyone needs to have an opportunity to speak before you call for the vote go
ahead so I want to Echo trusty bons Smith's comment about timing you know we we yes we have compliance we have to do the three-year multi-year projections and like it won't take us over and
[Music] but we just experienced the second most destructive fire in the history of California and I'm just going to restate that a lot of our staff and students and
families their entire home has been destroyed so I will say that which uh you think this County would take us over the the district that just experienced the most devastating
fire really that is cruel [Music] so we we have to understand the context the historical context yes every year we have to hit the number but we don't
think this is a very exceptional year that we can just give stability to our students our teachers I mean you couldn't even vote on like $3 million just so there's like a wellness that's what person in every
school so we're going to continue you to ask for I'm not done talking I'm sorry Mrs Fredick this is like um this decision affects so many livelihoods in our community I know you understand that but this is why I would really appreciate
the time to say what I have to say cuz this is a very impactful decision don't appreciate people cutting me off so anyway I think I said what I said [Music] um and basic my decision on this moment
in time and we don't need this right now we don't need this severe cut right now and I'm a numbers person so I was going to say we're going to continue to look for mental health money and we you know have a goal of if we can at all restore people's positions like
we did last year year that's what we want to do we have asked the um uh first partner the governor's wife you know mental health is one of her passions um she came to visit and we've talked to her about this and um Dr Roso will
continue to seek out you know um federal grants so I don't want you to think we're completely giving up but right now we have to take the necessary steps to have the district's fiscal Health um for the future as Mr Bravo Karimi said be
stabilized and we did ask the county we did ask the governor we did ask the state superintendent and I think it's important for everybody to remember that these deadlines statutory deadlines were
driven by the CTA and the csca these are their rules that we have to play by and I'm not blaming them because I've said many times my father was a labor leader this is to protect senior employees so you know nobody is willing to take that
on or change it any of the people that we asked so we're we we're stuck in this situation because of statutory deadlines it doesn't mean that we're not going to do everything we can to mitigate it or turn it around by May
15th yes Dr Vasquez I I feel like we're presenting this at a justifica just deposition between ER caring and not caring between understanding and not understanding between empathy
and I have I have a responsibility to uh give basic services and instruction in core subjects regardless of the future of the city and I am voting based
on the seriousness of that decision thank you and we also did go to the governor's office and the state superintendent's office a a really hard hard pitch was done by our superintendent it's very I need to be
really clear that this was done so let's move ahead with the vote now actually can I one more comment I'm sorry we are at 10 minutes we have got like another 13 minutes here I have I have one more thing questions I have one more thing no
we're going to move on we've had the discussion I just want to acknowledge we've had the discussion we've had the discussion I'm I really would like to acknowledge the trauma that has been caused by this constant cycle of laying
off a bunch of people every year I have a point of order here so I want to point of order please the chair is trying to move the meeting forward so can we please honor the chair's request thank you very much we're calling for the vote
on the main motion so this is k1 and K2 for the Swip um Terra bonman no Scott Harden yes Kimber yes mile yes P Marshall
McKenzie yes Dr Jama Velasquez yes Tina FR no Jennifer Hol yes 61 see what else yes please we're going to do consent first
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