WEBVTT

METADATA
Video-Count: 2
Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=0gSDUcPoaNg
Video-2: youtube.com/watch?v=8fDDiMeKm7A

Part: 1

1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:26.480
--------- He's in He's in the Zephr Hill chamber. I was not there during my vacation. They thought he was >> Good morning. >> I would like to call to order the Pasco County Commission 10:00 meeting of July 14th, 2026. At this time, please silence

2
00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:44.719
all electronic devices. Please rise for the invocation pledge of allegiance. >> Good morning, honorable commission. Pasco County Fire Chaplain Anthony Ship here to give the invocation. Let us pray. Sovereign God, we thank you for this opportunity to conduct our civil

3
00:00:44.719 --> 00:01:00.000
business here in Pasco County. Thank you for our nation's birthday of 250 years, granting us blessing to raise our families, keep us safe in these coming years. We ask that you'll bless our fire police and doctors and nurses of this

4
00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:15.680
community. Also the Pasco County Commission and their families as well as community workers and government officials. Thank you so much for our blessings. In your sovereign name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

5
00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:33.439
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Madame clerk, please call the role. >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley >> here. >> District two, Commissioner Weightman,

6
00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:49.040
>> present. >> District 3, Commissioner Starky. District four, Commissioner Joerger >> here. >> District 5, Chairman Mariano, >> here. >> Now is the time for public comment. Citizens are given an opportunity to comment on any current or future agenda item coming before the board and on

7
00:01:49.040 --> 00:02:05.040
other business under the board's purview. Today's public comment will be handled as follows. First, we will take public comment for those who are here in person. Then, we'll take public comment for those who are pre-registered for an online link and currently on Q. We request that when you address the board, comments are not directed personally against the commissioner or team member,

8
00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:21.040
but rather directed at the issues. This provides mutual respect between the board members and the public. After stating your name and address for the clerk, a three-minute timer will be activated. A green light will be shown in the podium. After 2 minutes, a yellow light will indicate you have 1 minute left. When your time is up, a red light will be displayed. Three beeps will

9
00:02:21.040 --> 00:02:38.080
sound. You should close your comments. Those online will be disconnected automatically when the timer is up. Madam clerk, do we have anyone signed up for public comment? >> Yes, sir, we do. Um, Monica Sap is the first individual. You can come to the podium and your name and your address. And you have three

10
00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:54.480
minutes. >> My name is Monica Sep. um 13117 Lauderdale Street in Hudson. And then I have a concern uh just a couple concerns of uh some things going on in our area. Um back in May, I had watched the

11
00:02:54.480 --> 00:03:09.760
commissioner meeting um and there was some concerns brought up about um people who have been displaced and were living in campers on the canals and there was uh about brought up about permits or a sticker or something being put on the campers to know that those people have

12
00:03:09.760 --> 00:03:24.800
been displaced. Um, and I do know that code was over there and they did clean up a lot of the campers. However, most of those campers now have come to the east side of 19 into our area. We have a lot of campers that have been moved into the area. Most people who use their

13
00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:40.080
campers for technically camping do not have them leveled, do not have the slide outs out, do not have electric to them. Most of them are ready to be able hooked up to a vehicle and pulled out. We have at least probably a dozen campers over there that have are leveled, blocked up,

14
00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:55.360
slideouts out, lights on at night. You know, people's living in them. And it's we are not a permitted campground over there. And I know that in May it was addressed as where are those people dumping their tanks? Could be in the canal water most likely over there. It's

15
00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:11.200
just into the ground. And that's something that, you know, code needs to really address in our area back there. They also I know code works on complaints and that's fine but when you are there for one complaint and you see another five violations and you do

16
00:04:11.200 --> 00:04:27.840
nothing about it you ride by with blinders on and code is paid by the county to enforce the ordinances set forth by you guys and they don't do it. We also have people on our in our area back there. It's called Terrace Gardens

17
00:04:27.840 --> 00:04:44.080
that have purchased empty lots. I've got boat trailers, boats, RVs, campers parked on empty lots without a homestead. That's against a violation of the ordinance. Am I not correct? I think so. I thought it was one of the ones I

18
00:04:44.080 --> 00:04:59.600
looked up. There's no home. You can't use that for just storage without a home. And if they are as a home, they have to be behind your home, not out in front. There's also carports being put up on empty lots so they can store their

19
00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:14.639
RVs and campers underneath of it out of the sun. Most likely they were probably not permitted because they don't have a home. So they did it in violation. And again, code comes by, they work on complaints, which is absolutely fine. But if you're being

20
00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:32.320
paid to enforce the ordinance, you should address those ones that you that that code officer visually sees as well. I mean, that's just it's one of my concerns that I had. Um, yeah, that's pretty much all I had is

21
00:05:32.320 --> 00:05:47.280
just the the campers living over there, people living in the campers. Um, they're set up, you know, they're not just being used for camping. They're set up, they're leveled, they're camp, you know, everything. And then again, the the empty lots we have.

22
00:05:47.280 --> 00:06:04.199
>> Okay. And before you go, David Allen, there was Dave. Would you speak with David and have a conversation? Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for making the drive. >> Okay. The next two signed up are Jose Garcia and Sharon Painter from Rebuilding Florida.

23
00:06:08.479 --> 00:06:25.520
>> And did you want to bring that? So, a few years ago, >> your poster board. >> Oh, okay. >> So, the board can see it. >> Jose, name and address for the record first. >> Sure. My name is Jose Garcia. I'm the CEO of Rebuilding Together Greater

24
00:06:25.520 --> 00:06:42.080
Florida, 36097th Avenue East, Tampa 33605. Uh, commissioners, Mr. Chairman, thank you for the opportunity to speak with you. Um, rebuilding together provide residential repairs and rehab services

25
00:06:42.080 --> 00:06:58.800
to low-income homeowners. We've been doing this for the last 25 years and we have seven office throughout the state of Florida. We serve approximately 500 homeowners in need to live in a safer and healthier home. One of the fundings

26
00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:16.319
that we starting to work with is residential um home resilency and disaster recovery. We had the opportunity to work with Chairman Mariano to help one of our homeowners, one of your homeowners in the county of

27
00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:33.599
Pasco, which is Fred. He's 100 years 102 101 >> 101. Yeah. >> 101 year old veterans of World War II. Um he was one of the many heroes the disembarking Normandy back in uh in the

28
00:07:33.599 --> 00:07:48.240
Second World War and since then he's been just living the life I guess. thing. As you can see, unfortunately, his house was damaged by Helen and Milton as many of the homeowners that uh

29
00:07:48.240 --> 00:08:04.879
we uh have to help uh as a result of the disaster. And we were able to make sure that now he can walk freely independently uh throughout his house. We um replaced and tied flooring, his kitchen and make

30
00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:21.360
sure that his bathroom now has a shower and no a tub which make it easier for him. We want to thank um Chairman Mariano for his help, his support and making sure that we do our uh work and that we serve Fred as well as this is an

31
00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:36.479
invitation to help as many Pasco residents as possible in the next uh time that we have the money available I guess until we ran out of money. But uh hopefully we won't get any more storms that give us time to make sure that this

32
00:08:36.479 --> 00:08:51.839
house are resilient and they're ready for a potential storm in the future. We are here to serve the residents. We're ready to help the residents and if you need any help from us, please don't hesitate to contact us. Again, thank you very much. >> And Jose, thank you for taking care of

33
00:08:51.839 --> 00:09:08.000
our veteran. Um literally, they came to us at the board here probably three or four months ago said, "We're looking to help people out in Pasco County." And I had mentioned to you, I had a resident right in mind and we met the next day. The next week you guys were out there, put the whole thing together. And the

34
00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:24.560
great thing about this program, it's a about a $25,000 uh bill for this whole thing. And it's done without any tie-ins where you don't have to have FEMA flood insurance later on. There's no government involved, any any conditions to it. they just come in and it's it's it's funded through some great people

35
00:09:24.560 --> 00:09:40.080
like the Red Cross that put the money into it to help people just get back that didn't quite make it back all the way. So, thanks for the great work you did. It was awesome and we look to help more people in Pasco County. Appreciate you coming on. >> Thank you. Just to make sure I clarify also uh we did everything by the book.

36
00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:56.080
Permits were pulled and [laughter] inspections with us. Okay. And if there any construction individuals or companies here, feel free to contact us. we always will have work uh available to for you guys. Thank you. >> And I will say they did it in less than 30 days. Oh, absolutely.

37
00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:15.040
>> From the get-go. Just amazing. One time Yeah. [applause] >> One time I was getting ice cream down the street at Hudson. Drove down just to see how things were looking cuz she hadn't seen it. And we get in there at 9:15 at night. They're still working on a Sunday night. That's they were dedicated to get it done for that

38
00:10:15.040 --> 00:10:36.640
Thursday. So they did a great job. It'll help anybody east, east east or west side with our knee strength. So, it's a great program. >> All right. And then the last person signed up is Robert Jacob. Mr. Jacob. Name and address for the

39
00:10:36.640 --> 00:10:51.360
record once you get to the mic. >> Yes. My name is Robert Jacob. Uh 26125 Gypsy Rose Lane 33544. uh that's in the Quail Hollow subdivision. And uh I want to say that

40
00:10:51.360 --> 00:11:09.519
uh we have been experiencing those of us that have been out there as long as we have uh a detrimental assault on our lifestyles. And with the unbridled amount of growth that's been happening out there, um it's it is definitely

41
00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:25.120
impacted those of us that wanted to move out into the country. Now, with regards to this particular facility that you people want to uh are are considering approving, um there are a lot of concerns and they come from all of the data centers that

42
00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:41.839
have been being put up around the country. Uh namely the amount of water they use, the amount of electricity they use, and uh the light pollution, as well as the uh uh the noise pollution. When I first got out on my property, I could

43
00:11:41.839 --> 00:11:57.680
see the Milky Way the way I did when I was a kid camping around natural Florida. I can't see that anymore just because the light pollution from all the construction that's happened. Now, with regards to the uh technology um that is being implemented, it's

44
00:11:57.680 --> 00:12:14.160
already obsolete before it's even been put in. Um China has already tried a lot of this stuff and failed. And uh some of the stuff that I see coming out in the next year to to three years is um going to make it so that uh you'll need

45
00:12:14.160 --> 00:12:29.760
1,000th of the footprint that these facilities utilize on the water end of things. Um they figured out how to fix this stuff thousands of years ago with something called an earth tube. And in Florida, we can't use that. We have to

46
00:12:29.760 --> 00:12:45.920
use a a different version of it. It's a It's a poor man's geothermal where you dig a trench that's 8 ft deep in the ground and you put concentric coils of something like PEX tubing and run something like glycol like you do in a radiator through there and you can keep

47
00:12:45.920 --> 00:13:01.440
the building at a constant uh temperature with a just a mere pump and a radiator system. It's very inexpensive. Um, on the electrical side of things, you could put in something like a full-blown geothermal and you could have your own power plant there

48
00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:19.360
and not have to have all of the generators or disrupt uh people's homes by bringing in all the electrical um things that I've uh the facilities necessary to bring in the power consumption that this thing is going to use. Uh, and the the sheer footprint is

49
00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:37.760
unbelievable. And it it also addresses not only uh the water consumption and the lifestyles of the people that are out there, but also mother nature. Mother nature is going to suffer because here we are paving over our best farmland. And uh we're we're replacing

50
00:13:37.760 --> 00:13:53.760
the respiration for the um cycle of the rainy cycle with hot roofs and pavement. And uh not everything boils down to money. And I'd like you all to consider that. Thank you. >> There was no one else signed up.

51
00:13:53.760 --> 00:14:09.839
>> Anyone else like to address the board in public comment? >> Go forward. Is there anyone else after this gentleman here? All right. So, this will be the last gentleman for public comment in person. Name and address for the record, sir.

52
00:14:09.839 --> 00:14:24.880
>> Uh, my name is Ted Waller. I live at 38148 Michael Road in the Luchi area of Date City. Uh, good morning everybody. I'm reading off of the script, so I apologize for not making eye contact. My name is Ted Waller and I've been the

53
00:14:24.880 --> 00:14:39.680
privilege of serving as the president of Date City Main Street. I wanted to take a few minutes to introduce myself and our organization. Date City Main Street was recently reorganized and designated as an official Florida Main Street community.

54
00:14:39.680 --> 00:14:56.079
Our mission is to preserve and celebrate the unique historic character of downtown Date City while supporting local businesses, encouraging economic investment, and creating a vibrant downtown that serves residents and visitors alike. Although we're

55
00:14:56.079 --> 00:15:12.240
relatively a new organization, we've already begun building strong partnerships with the city, the Community Redevelopment Agency, downtown merchants, volunteers, and community organizations. Together, we're working to create meaningful events, support our small

56
00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:27.600
businesses, preserve our historic assets, and strengthen one of Pasco County's most recognizable downtowns. I wanted to introduce myself because I hope Date City Main Street can become a valued partner with Pasco County as we

57
00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:44.800
continue this work. We appreciate everything the board does to support our community and I look forward to building relationships with each of you in the months ahead. Commissioner Oakley, if I may, I also wanted to personally thank you for your long-standing support of Date City. Date City Main Street

58
00:15:44.800 --> 00:16:00.959
recently submitted an application to the Florida Division of Historical Resources for a small matching grant to complete a comprehensive historic resource survey of our downtown. We'd be honored to have your support through a letter of endorsement for our application. I've

59
00:16:00.959 --> 00:16:16.720
prepared a draft letter and it's been sent to your office. Hopefully, you'll have a chance. >> Thank you. Thank you all for your time, your service to Pasco County, and your continued support of our historic downtown. I look forward to working with every one of you. Thank you.

60
00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:31.199
>> Okay. Thank you. Anyone online? >> No, sir. >> Okay. That shall public comment. And now we're going to go to resolutions. Just with the sheer number of people are here for RS3, we're going to go and uh have Jesse Bednarrick for his 20 years of

61
00:16:31.199 --> 00:16:58.240
service. Jesse, you come forward. >> [applause] [applause] >> All right. So, this is resolution number 26278, a resolution by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, commending Jesse Bednaric for his 20

62
00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:14.079
years of dedicated service to Pasco County and congratulating him on his retirement. Whereas Jesse Bednarik began his 20-year career with Pasco County on June 26th, 2020, 2006

63
00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:28.880
with the facilities management department as a plumber too and is concluding his career as the operations and maintenance manager in August. And whereas using his proficiency in different trades, leadership, and

64
00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:44.880
ability to connect with customers and co-workers, Jesse worked diligently on the county's buildings and structures to ensure all Pasco County team members were able to work in a safe and healthy environment. And whereas Jesse has

65
00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:59.679
obtained numerous awards throughout his career, including four constellation awards, two star performer awards, two point of light awards, the 2018 public service exemplar award from the American

66
00:17:59.679 --> 00:18:17.120
Society for Public Administration, the 2020 Internal Services Leader of the Year Award, and the 2024 Star Team of the Year Award. And whereas Jesse has received accolades from across the county, including a certificate of

67
00:18:17.120 --> 00:18:32.960
appreciation from fire rescue for unwavering dedication and commitment, a certificate of appreciation from the county administrator and assistant county administrators, and multiple letters of appreciation from

68
00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:49.200
constitutional officers. And whereas Jesse has shown great dedication to Pasco County's core value of innovation by implementing ICON water conservation devices at the jail in 2012 and was able to secure a grant that paid

69
00:18:49.200 --> 00:19:04.480
for the installation of these ICON devices. The ICON saves the county about $135,000 annually. And whereas on August 3rd, 2026, Jesse will officially retire from the Pasco

70
00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:21.039
County Facilities Management Department and will be greatly missed. Dedicated team a greatly missed dedicated team member who takes pride in his work, exemplifies professionalism, and is a great friend to those he works with. Now

71
00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:37.840
therefore, be it resolved by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said board hereby commends Jesse Bednarik for his 20 years of dedicated service to Pasco County, congratulates him on his retirement, and wishes him the best in his future endeavors. Done and resolved in regular

72
00:19:37.840 --> 00:19:55.200
session with a quorum present in voting this 14th day of July, 2026. Move >> approval. Second. >> All in favor say I. I. >> I. You can smile now. Good. [laughter] that was a celebration we're doing here today with all the great great great friends you have in the audience. Jesse,

73
00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:11.440
what a great career you've had. Uh your great service and taking those extra steps which go far beyond probably led to all those awards and letters and saving us 135 grand a year. Um thank you for your great service. >> Thank you. >> Tell me tell us about what you got planned for the future. >> Uh well, this is kind of overwhelming.

74
00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:27.484
Uh, you know, I probably, um, you know, talking with my wife, we're just going to, uh, decompress for for a little while. Um, we have, you know, so many things that we'd like to do. Uh, you know, I I I love the county. Uh,

75
00:20:27.484 --> 00:20:42.240
[clears throat] I appreciate, uh, the fact that I got to work here for 20 years. Um, I I I have a script that I'm not going to go go into that, but uh um you know, I I uh I worked for 25 years on my own before coming to the county.

76
00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:58.240
Uh left New York, came down here and my father-in-law, late father-in-law, bet my wife that uh um I wouldn't last two weeks working for somebody. So, uh that's a that's a bet that uh I'm glad

77
00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:15.760
he lost. [laughter] Um I I you know my thought is you know uh um running out of time you know so I've got to spend some time with my wife, my family, and

78
00:21:15.760 --> 00:21:32.720
um I'm going to miss coming to work every day. I'm going to miss the people that uh I made good friends with. Um, you know, I've got a lot of support from uh co-workers, teammates, uh, uh, from

79
00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:49.039
my my superior, my bosses over the years have been great. So, um, I'm I'm living I'm leaving on a happy note and, um, I'm, you know, sad in one respect as well. >> I'm sure you're happy. I know, Madam Clerk want to say a couple words. So, >> I did. I was honored that I got to read

80
00:21:49.039 --> 00:22:05.120
your resolution today. Um, >> thank you. When I be was an assistant county administrator, I wanted to see what the day in the life of facilities was like and and so uh Jesse gave me by far the best tour. He took me inside the walls of the jail and and who knew

81
00:22:05.120 --> 00:22:21.679
plumbing could be so exciting, you know, [laughter] but um Jesse deserves all the awards and accolades he's he's gotten over the years. He's a kind man and a true public servant and you will be missed. >> Thank you so much. All right. And I know

82
00:22:21.679 --> 00:22:44.200
you're going to enjoy your family. That is most important. So, you've earned the time to go do it. So, I want you to enjoy it. Uh, everybody who's all of the friends of Jesse, please come on up as well. We'll line you all up in here and we'll stand down. >> Going down. >> Stay up here. Wait.

83
00:22:45.679 --> 00:23:39.360
>> All right. I think there's enough here. Wow, >> you guys got white. >> I know you guys [laughter] and I dressed exactly last week. [laughter] >> Hey, what does They don't make me look taller.

84
00:23:39.360 --> 00:25:04.000
>> Oh, is it? All right, I think I got [applause] [applause] >> a disaster. which is quick. >> Yeah. Well, that should take care of the occupancy

85
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:26.400
violations I was concerned about. [laughter] All right, we'll go to RS1. >> All right, RS1 is for pre-trial probation and parole supervision week in Pasco County. So, if you will come to the podium if you are here for this

86
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:50.559
resolution. Okay. So, this is resolution number 26276. Uh, a resolution by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, declaring the week of July 19th through 25th, 2026 as pre-trial, probation, and

87
00:25:50.559 --> 00:26:06.880
parole supervision week in Pasco County. Whereas misdemeanor probation serves as a component of the criminal justice system by supporting courtordered supervision and promoting accountability while also providing individuals with a

88
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:23.360
structured opportunity to rebuild their lives through meaningful engagement and guidance. And whereas misdemeanor probation has established and embraced a culture of hope, having one person engaged, recognizing that a single

89
00:26:23.360 --> 00:26:40.000
committed connection can inspire trust, accountability, and lasting positive change, a model reinforced through the supervision of 1,528 defendants in 2025. And whereas misdemeanor probation

90
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:56.679
professionals bring the culture of hope to life through individualized support and consistent engagement resulting in effective supervision outcomes and demonstrated by the collection of uh $170,954.88

91
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:17.200
in restitution in 2025, directly aiding victims and reinforcing offender accountability. And whereas over the five-year period from 2021 to 2025, Mr. probation supervised 7,752

92
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:32.720
defendants, reflecting the scope and sustained capacity of the program to meet the needs of the courts and the community. And whereas only 2.41% 41% of those supervised during that 5-year period.

93
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:49.200
187 individuals returned for a subsequent misdemeanor probation term, a strong indicator of successful supervision. And whereas these professionals collaborate with law enforcement, courts, and community partners to ensure

94
00:27:49.200 --> 00:28:04.799
individuals meet their obligations while maintaining connections to employment, treatment, and supportive services. And whereas misdemeanor probation staff uphold high ethical standards and reinforce community safety by ensuring

95
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:20.640
compliance with court orders, providing case management and promoting prevention. And whereas their engagementdriven appro approach strengthens lives, promotes rehabilitation, and contributes to a more just and

96
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:37.679
supportive community. And whereas pre-trial probation and parole supervision week presents an opportunity to recognize and appreciate the contribution of Pasco County's misdemeanor probation professionals whose commitment makes a difference in

97
00:28:37.679 --> 00:28:53.600
the lives of those placed on probation. Now therefore, be it resolved by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said board hereby re proclaims the week of July 19th through 25th, 2026 as pre-trial,

98
00:28:53.600 --> 00:29:09.120
probation, and parole week in Pasco County and recognizes the dedication and impact of misdemeanor probation professionals and their commitment to a culture of hope. done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present in

99
00:29:09.120 --> 00:29:23.919
voting this 14th day of July 2026. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Okay. Commissioner Waitman. >> Morning commissioners. >> Thank you. Commissioner Waitman, please. >> Welcome. >> So tell us if your job's gotten any

100
00:29:23.919 --> 00:29:42.000
easier or not over the last year. >> So good morning commissioners. Paul, the director of support services. This morning I have the unique pleasure of introducing this amazing group of professionals including Tracy Toner who's a standard of professionalism in this industry in our community over 30

101
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:58.799
years of service and without them our community wouldn't be as safe and individuals in our community wouldn't have a second chance and better outcomes at a better life in Pasco County. So with that I'd like to leave the floor now to Tracy. >> Good morning commissioners. Um on behalf of the team that's standing behind me I

102
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:14.000
just want to thank you for recognizing um pre-trial probation and parole supervision week. The work this team does helping individuals navigate the court-ordered requirements um supporting them through their challenges, promoting accountability, it requires heart, it

103
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:29.760
requires patience, and it requires hope. Um in our division, um like the resolution had had indicated, having that one person engaged, it defines the culture that we strive to uphold. Um, it reflects our belief that every individual that we supervise should feel

104
00:30:29.760 --> 00:30:45.919
that we are fully engaged and invested in their success. And I'm very proud of the positive impact that this team makes each and every day from the $170,000 in restitution collected to the low very low repeat um offender percentage. It

105
00:30:45.919 --> 00:31:02.159
it's all a reflection of the passion and the commitment of the team. And again, I just want to thank you for your support and for this resolution. Thank you, Tracy. Kathy Pearson, assistant county administrator of public services. These are awesome individuals.

106
00:31:02.159 --> 00:31:18.000
They care for every person that comes in that door. They have become case managers. They're not probation officers. They're case managers. And they truly do make a difference in these folks lives. And I just want to personally thank them because it's not an easy job. They never know who's going

107
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:34.360
to come into their office. They don't know what kind of state those folks are going to be in. and they handle it with professional and charm. And I just want to say thank you. >> Okay, put a picture. >> Very good. Yeah.

108
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:57.262
>> Yeah. >> You want to come all up in here or line up? >> I think most people don't even realize this is part of the county, one of the county functions, >> right? They're right in front of me. [laughter]

109
00:31:58.320 --> 00:32:36.960
>> Eclipse. [applause] Hey, RS2. >> Yeah, RS2. Yes. All right. So, if you are here for uh parks and recreation month, if you will please come to the podium. All right. So, this is resolution.

110
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:57.200
I'll give you guys a minute. >> You got a brought a crowd with you, Keith. Yes, you did. [laughter] >> All right. This is resolution number 26277, a resolution by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida,

111
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:14.880
declaring the month of July 2026 as park and recreation month in Pasco County. Whereas Pasco County's parks, recreation, and natural resources departments, programs, and facilities are essential services that enhance our quality of life by providing a balance

112
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:31.279
of athletic, social, cultural, and recreational opportunities, building self-esteem, teaching life skills, encouraging environmental awareness, and providing public spaces for every citizen to enjoy. And whereas Pasco

113
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:47.600
County celebrates the power of connection, recognizing that parks and recreation are where relationships grow, cultures meet, and communities bond through programs such as volunteer cleanup days and other community building efforts.

114
00:33:47.600 --> 00:34:02.480
And whereas Pasco County embraces the power of play by offering playgrounds, youth sports leagues, and summer camps that inspire creativity, spark joy, and support lifelong learning for children

115
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:19.599
and families. And whereas Pasco County demonstrates the power of community by providing recreation centers and public gathering spaces that allow residents to come together, celebrate and support one another. And whereas Pasco County

116
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:35.440
highlights the power of nature through its wilderness and coastal parks, conservation lands pro protected under the environmental land and acquisition management program and reus robust outdoor programs ensuring that all

117
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:51.359
residents can experience the restorative and inspiring benefits of the natural environment. And whereas Pasco County upholds the power of belonging by offering inclusive and welcoming programs for residents of

118
00:34:51.359 --> 00:35:07.599
all ages such as the Pasco adaptive and inclusive recreation program, inclusive summer camps for children, senior programs such as pickle ball and bingo, and recreate your mind mental health

119
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:25.200
programming, ensuring that every individual feels valued and supported. And whereas Pasco County promotes the power of well-being through fitness programs, wellness challenges such as Auto Move and the Pasco County Hiking

120
00:35:25.200 --> 00:35:40.240
Challenge, as well as a wide range of recreational opportunities that advance health, resilience, and shared community benefits. And whereas the local and state parks maintained by the Pasco County Parks, Recreation, and Natural

121
00:35:40.240 --> 00:35:55.280
Resources Department are vital to the well-being and quality of life every citizen and visitor of Pasco County. Now therefore, be it resolved by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said, board hereby

122
00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:11.760
declares July 2026 as Park and Recreation Month in Pasco County and celebrates the dedicated work of the Pasco County Parks, Recreation, and Natural Resources Department done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present in voting this 14th day

123
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:25.359
of July, 2026. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Mr. Turkey. >> Well, I'm really glad I'm sponsoring this one today. I don't think I got to do it last year. I think this one did it. I'm not I'm not sure, [laughter]

124
00:36:25.359 --> 00:36:42.720
but this is mine. This is always mine. Uh so, um as you notice, we're keeping our comments very short here. Um but I just want to say, um we all love our parks and we're so so grateful and proud of the work that you do and we just know

125
00:36:42.720 --> 00:36:59.599
we have just awesome parks and more to come. So I'll turn it over to you. >> Um good morning Keith Wy, director of parks, recreation, natural resources. Thank you for acknowledging the team mostly uh the efforts that you know right now literally this is a small fraction of the team. Um they're out

126
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:16.240
there preparing uh every day to make sure that um you know we maintain the level of service that uh our citizens come to expect. Whether it's a 250th celebration, whether it's um a wedding proposal on Cruise Lake Tower, >> whether it's the, you know, prepping the

127
00:37:16.240 --> 00:37:33.200
fields for that first T-ball hit, right, to maybe setting the nets for senior pickle ball, um to buying >> 2,000 acres at $60 million for conservation to protecting [laughter] a single wetland for an individual homeowner or helping them relocate a

128
00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:48.720
gopher tortoise. um to providing that first camper experience all the way to the camper then transitioning to a counselor in training. Uh I I could stay up here for a long time. So the team is very special [laughter]

129
00:37:48.720 --> 00:38:03.920
and tournaments. Yes, as Mr. Thomas references, but uh but we we don't do it without a dedicated really uh very very professional team that cares coming to work every day doing the very best that they can. So thank you to the team. I know not everyone's here, but thank you to all of them that are out there in the

130
00:38:03.920 --> 00:39:23.520
field doing the hard work every day. >> All right, I'll come down and [applause] >> thank you. Details Shut up. >> Good job. [applause] And now we'll go to RS4. >> Okay. RS4. So if you're here from Florida Sports

131
00:39:23.520 --> 00:39:43.920
Coast, Yep. Adam >> and the board members. >> Okay. It is freezing in here and I have a jacket on. Oh, okay. >> All right. So this is resolution number 26279, a resolution by the board of county

132
00:39:43.920 --> 00:40:00.560
commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, recognizing Florida's sports coast for achieving the destination marketing accreditation program accreditation. Whereas Florida Sports Coast, Pasco County's destination management organization is responsible for

133
00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:16.880
promoting Pasco County as a premier destination for sports, leisure, and group travel. And whereas the Pasco County Tourism fiscal year 24 through 28 strategic destination plan identifies

134
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:33.599
achieving destinations international marketing accreditation program DMAP accreditation as a priority initiative in support of the strategic goal to attain optimal resources and performance results.

135
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:49.280
And whereas Destinations International is the world's largest and most trusted resource for destination organizations representing more than 10,000 members and partners from over 770 destinations worldwide.

136
00:40:49.280 --> 00:41:04.720
And whereas the DMAP is an independent globally recognized accreditation body that defines excellence and destination management across a comprehensive set of standards. And whereas DMAP's nearly 100

137
00:41:04.720 --> 00:41:21.760
accreditation standards cover a wide variety of topics including governance, finance, management, human resources, technology, visitor services, group services, sales, communications, membership, brand management,

138
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:38.000
destination development, research and market intelligence, innovation and stakeholder relationships. And whereas achieving DEMAP accreditation requires a destination organization to successfully comply with rigorous mandatory and voluntary

139
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:54.960
standards that evaluate nearly every aspect of organizational performance, accountability, transparency, and industry best practices. And whereas on June 5th, 2026, Destinations International formally notified Florida

140
00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:15.280
Sports Coast that they had achieved DEMAP accreditation [applause] and recognized the organization as part of a distinguished group of accredited destination organizations worldwide. And whereas by earning this

141
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:31.119
accreditation, Florida's Sports Coast joins nearly 200 accredited destination organizations worldwide, including 23 in Florida, demonstrating Florida's Sports Coast leadership, credibility, and

142
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:47.520
commitment to operational and strategic excellence within the tourism industry. And whereas this achievement strengthens Pasco County's position within the global travel and tourism community and affirms that Florida's sports coast

143
00:42:47.520 --> 00:43:03.200
meets the highest standards of destination management benefiting residents, visitors, industry partners, and the broader community. Now therefore, be it resolved by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said board hereby

144
00:43:03.200 --> 00:43:19.440
commends the Florida Sports Coast team for achieving the destination marketing accreditation program accreditation and extends its appreciation for the organization's continued commitment to excellence, accountability, and the

145
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:35.440
advancement of Pasco County's tourism industry. done and resolved in regular session with a quorum president voting this 14th day of July 2026. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Adam, quite an accomplishment. I know it

146
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:51.119
takes the team to do it all uh to put it together, but it takes a leadership from the top to make sure we want to see it happen. So for you, I know you've been smiling all morning long uh about this me for about three weeks now. >> Uh but it's a great accomplishment. It shows government working the way it's

147
00:43:51.119 --> 00:44:06.000
supposed to work and the and the way you can hold your head high that you're running a great organization. Yes, >> sir. Thank you. Thank you so much uh Chairman Mariano for uh for recognizing this and and sponsoring this resolution. This is a monumental day for for Pasco County and the Florida Sports Coast, but specifically for Pasco County. We've

148
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:22.400
done some tremendous things um during my tenure here. I mean, I'm looking at it. I'm coming up on 10 years next year, but we've rebranded, we've repositioned, we've won [clears throat] awards at the state level, at the national level, at the international level. We've built uh a world-class facility in Wiregrass Ranch Sports Campus, which is now

149
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:38.640
managed by a premier operator that's bringing in events from all corners of the world. We have a marketing uh team that is very creative in positioning and and telling the community story to the global marketplace. So, we've done a lot of things leading up to to this point

150
00:44:38.640 --> 00:44:54.800
here. But this this moment is so monumental because it tells at the whole industry of of the tourism industry that we're doing things the right way in Pasco County. That we're governed by a board by a TDC board that oversees all of our policies, all of our expenditures, all of our initiatives,

151
00:44:54.800 --> 00:45:12.400
all of our programming to make sure that we're good stewards of the tourist development tax and we're good stewards of this industry. Um, I can't I am very humbled uh to to stand here and and work side by side with with this amazing marketing team uh with Florida Sports Coast. But but more importantly, we get

152
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:27.599
to present every single month to the tourist development council that that that that's here with us today. And um we couldn't do it without their support, without Mike Carbara support, without Cath Kathy Pearson's support. But there's a couple other uh departments that were were left out that I really

153
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:43.680
want to highlight because this is even though we we champion this accreditation, we wouldn't have been standing here today if it wasn't for the many different departments, IT, OM, fiscal purchasing, HR, facilities, fleet, parks and recck, county attorney's office, the

154
00:45:43.680 --> 00:45:59.119
county administration's office, the clerk's office, PIO office, it all everyone had a hand in in making this accreditation possible. So, I can't thank them enough. I can't thank you enough for your support and the team behind me. We stand again with giants

155
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:17.200
across this industry of Florida and Pasco County is shining brightly. So with that, I'll turn it over to Kathy or or Canuelo if you have anything else you want to add. >> I like to put things in perspective. So I figure that it's important to mention that this is an international

156
00:46:17.200 --> 00:46:34.400
recognition. We have over 195 countries in the world. Just in the United States, we have over 3,100 counties and yet we are one of the only 200 destinations globally that get this certification. So

157
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:49.839
this is a tremendous undertaking from our team. Many hours, hundreds of hours dayto day for over h probably six months. Meanwhile, we were traveling, promoting our destination, uh dealing

158
00:46:49.839 --> 00:47:05.599
with day-to-day operations and projects. So, I'm very proud of our team, very proud of the support of everybody here. But most importantly, the certification is just not one paper. It's basically a validation that we're doing things the

159
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:23.920
right way. So, thank you for your support. [applause] Kathy Pearson, Assistant County Ministry of Public Services. I am so proud of this team. Um, I have watched Adam for a long time. I've watched Consuela, Kayla. Oh my gosh,

160
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:39.359
that girl has done a trans. She has become known in the industry. I watched how shy they were when they first started. To see them grow and blossom into an amazing team is I am probably the most proudest assistant county administrator today with all the teams I

161
00:47:39.359 --> 00:47:58.000
have. And I just got to say thank you to all of them. Thanks. >> [applause] >> And our newest board member, Roger's got a good thing to show you at the uh at the break here. So, I'll take it down and show you something that's going to be really cool to elevate a little bit more for that international tourism, which you guys are doing such a great

162
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:50.720
job with. So, I'll come down and take a picture. Hey, bend your knees. [laughter] >> Well, look at the mayor here. Deputy mayor. >> He's bigger. >> [applause] >> My rank up. >> Yes. Yes, sir.

163
00:48:50.720 --> 00:49:29.359
>> No. >> Really? Congratulations. Congratulations. >> Don't get me killed. [laughter] >> Beat you. >> Turn out for you. like to the right. [laughter] >> And now it's time for the consent

164
00:49:29.359 --> 00:49:44.160
agenda. Um, I have a few items to be pulled and withdrawn. Item C29, pull and discuss. Item C48, pull and discuss. C50, pull and discuss. C69, pull a

165
00:49:44.160 --> 00:50:00.559
revise. C27 has been withdrawn. And C72 withdrawn. Any other items to be drawn from the consent agenda? >> Move approval. >> Second. >> Other items. >> Okay. All in favor say I. >> I. And we'll start with Commissioner

166
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:17.280
Starky. C29. It's a rare poll for me, but um I wanted you all to see the significance of what we're doing here. Um can you zoom out? So, um Blueberry Drive. >> Uh and so, zoom out even just a little

167
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:34.720
more. So, to get your bearings, uh there's the veterans new veteran center on Little Road. And to the left over here, you have um uh what do they call that now? Wendel Krin, Marchman, and and Pepin's over there. There the

168
00:50:34.720 --> 00:50:51.119
arrows on the Pepin. Um and to get into this all these schools before you had to go all the way around and come in off of um Ridge or over there on uh Congress, right? And

169
00:50:51.119 --> 00:51:07.359
and now um we're going to connect these two roads here. It's one of a a few connections we hope to make into this area and people who are bringing their kids to Pepin and they come from all over the county in other counties will

170
00:51:07.359 --> 00:51:24.720
just have to go up Little Road and come across here on Blueberry and turn left. I mean, it's it's it's such a great addition. And um so we're buying that a little piece of land there so we can connect Blueberry. And by the way, this

171
00:51:24.720 --> 00:51:41.119
is right near where the um uh uh Habitat for Humanity community is coming in. So all those kids that are moving in there to get to school, they just have to turn left there on on Blueberry. So I'm really excited about

172
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:56.240
this purchase. I want to thank Christy Sims for working on this. I think it was No, it was Nikki. >> Nikki >> Nikki. Um, and um, it's a it's a great addition and uh, and it shows the importance of connectivity. So, I don't know if you want to say anything. That's

173
00:51:56.240 --> 00:52:11.760
that's just all I wanted to say on that. >> You covered it. >> Yeah. >> No, it's a it's a it's a great addition and I I was the other day at Oak Lake trying to get back over here and I go up and around whatever and took an extra 10 15 minutes from where it could have been straight across. So, it's going to be a good addition for the network.

174
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:26.960
>> So, we'll take a motion. >> No, that's it. Yeah. >> I move to approve. >> Second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Okay. C48. >> Um I just wanted to pull this just to say it's another great sidewalk project coming through for Ranch Road.

175
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:44.000
>> Um I'm going to pictures on the committee reports about Johnson Road and and Rampart that just got done. Two of the probably worst roads in the county being done for the community. But all this uh improvements in here make a difference and and people are just like like Nancy Bonitez who's a uh one of the

176
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:59.920
directors out there for a safety group and they're coming up to her and say are you Nancy? Are you Nancy? Thank you. Thank you. And she put passes on thanks to the board as well. So it's a great partnership. But with that I'll I'd like to see a motion for someone to make >> move approve. >> 48. >> Second.

177
00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:15.359
>> All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> And C50. Commissioner Waitman. >> Yeah. Same uh same highlight here. Sidewalks for safe routes to schools for Curly Road. Uh tie into Wells, which will uh provide sidewalk gap funding for

178
00:53:15.359 --> 00:53:31.599
uh West Chapel Elementary, Weightman Middle, and West of Chapel High School, and then event and tie into Boyette Road and all up on the way up to West Chapel District Park. This work couldn't be done without our our support from Senator Burgess and Rep. Maghard at the state uh in helping us capture a

179
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:48.079
matching appropriation uh for this work here and it was the second this location is the second most dangerous route to school in the county. So within the last uh three years really we've been able to uh capture sidewalks for the most dangerous route school which was Pine

180
00:53:48.079 --> 00:54:05.520
View Middle uh area there and get that fully funded with help from the fed and the state and local matches here and then the second uh right here at the West Chapel um uh schools there on Wells Road. So great work team effort. Thanks for the school board for supporting us

181
00:54:05.520 --> 00:54:21.520
uh through the legislative process lobbying team that's here. Uh thank y'all are here today. Foster more um working with working with the team to get this done. So very proud to move approval on C50. >> Second. >> All in favor say I.

182
00:54:21.520 --> 00:54:37.200
>> I. >> And Keith Wy C69 pull and revise. >> Yes sir. We uh we had to update the actual time of the public hearing in both the agenda memo and the resolution to 1:30 p.m. >> Have a motion.

183
00:54:37.200 --> 00:54:55.400
>> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Second. All >> in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> And that does it for the consent agenda. We'll go to regular R75 federal action plan and state lobbyist update. >> And I believe we got the full team together today.

184
00:54:55.839 --> 00:55:11.359
Good morning, commissioners. Ralph Lair, intergovernmental affairs officer. Joining us today is Tracy Pew with Ballard Partners, our federal lobbyist to discuss our federal advocacy strategy going forward. On your desk, you'll have a copy of that as well as their

185
00:55:11.359 --> 00:55:32.000
PowerPoint. So again, the strategy plan PowerPoint. Tracy, >> good morning. Thanks, Ralph. and it's a pleasure to be back here in this beautiful building. We were in the other building the last time. So, um just

186
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:49.520
absolutely gorgeous. Um Mr. Chairman, commissioners, uh want to thank you for entrusting Ballot Partners with your um federal priorities representation. Um, as you all know, we are the the

187
00:55:49.520 --> 00:56:06.720
leading bipartisan government and public affairs firm in the country. We're led by Brian Ballard, um, who has expanded the firm from its Florida roots to Washington, uh, and beyond. And our DC office, you can go to the introduction

188
00:56:06.720 --> 00:56:34.640
slide, our DC office is managed by, uh, Dan McFall. um and he works closely with me on um and the team. Thank you. Okay, Dan, uh right in the center there,

189
00:56:34.640 --> 00:56:51.920
he works closely with um with me and the Pasco team uh on representing you all um in Washington. Um, and let me just add that it is a real pleasure to work with Mike and Ralph and the entire team uh

190
00:56:51.920 --> 00:57:08.240
for Pasco uh on on your priorities. Um, we prepared the federal strategy document that Ralph um mentioned that's in your fold in your briefing packet. Um, and you can review that in detail.

191
00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:26.799
But today, um, I want to highlight the key areas, um, of our work together as we, um, wrap up, uh, FY26 and begin preparing for, um, the next fiscal year and the 120th

192
00:57:26.799 --> 00:57:45.760
Congress. Um, I want to begin with, uh, appropriations. This is a um graph of just sort of the timeline and it's it's critically important that we talk about the timeline and I know that um we'll

193
00:57:45.760 --> 00:58:02.960
have a workshop going on in October, but there's some work that we should and can't do um before October. And let me just say that we're in we're in the process right now of the appropriation season. Um the House has completed its

194
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:19.280
work. Um and all 12 bills um have been passed out of committee. Um the Senate has not heard all 12 bills in committee. And as you all know, with the um unfortunate passing of Senator Graham

195
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:35.599
and some other um absences and illnesses, I'm not sure what that timeline may look like. Um so we could possibly find ourselves in a situation where um on September 30th which is the

196
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:51.359
end of the federal fiscal year um we are in uh continuing resolution status [laughter] >> and but that doesn't necessarily mean a government shutdown if they pass a continuing resolution and I think because we are in an election year no

197
00:58:51.359 --> 00:59:07.200
one on on either side is interested in having a shutdown. So, um, what that possibly could mean is that, um, we'll have a lame duck Congress after the elections in November and, um, some form

198
00:59:07.200 --> 00:59:22.079
of, um, a minibus or omnibus will be passed, you know, at the end of the year. But fortunately for you all, you have uh Representative Bill Arachus and Representative Lee who've um done really

199
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:38.319
great by uh Pasco County in making sure that uh your federal priorities were included in their um appropriations request. So, if you look on the bottom of page one of your

200
00:59:38.319 --> 00:59:53.839
strategy document, you'll see that over 9 million uh in federal um funding has been submitted. And as I said, it has gone through the process um in the committee process in the House and we

201
00:59:53.839 --> 01:00:11.359
will continue to track and monitor those projects through the process. We'll make sure our senators, Senator Scott and Senator Moody, um their staffs are aware of them. We'll continue to track those um as as they uh and monitor those as

202
01:00:11.359 --> 01:00:28.720
they go through the process. Um and and as we prepare for the 120th Congress, I do want to emphasize that um Pasco will have a third representative and that benefits the county e even more

203
01:00:28.720 --> 01:00:45.920
because that means that you'll have three bites at this uh appropriations opportunity with um Congressman Bill Arachus who has been a long-term representative of this area and very familiar here with your priorities. Um,

204
01:00:45.920 --> 01:01:01.359
Congresswoman Lee, uh, and then, uh, Congresswoman Luna will represent a portion of the county, uh, as well when we go into the 120th Congress. Um so

205
01:01:01.359 --> 01:01:16.480
that's uh something that when we come back in October to start talking about the workshop um we will be in the interim meeting with their staffs, meeting with their teams. We don't have to wait until after November. We know

206
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:35.040
they're going to, you know, be reelected um barring some major change. So, um, we'll start building those relationships with, um, Representative Luna's team that now and continue to, um, socialize

207
01:01:35.040 --> 01:01:52.559
Pasco's priorities with her office. Um, and we are doing that throughout the fall. And then when we come back in October, hopefully uh you all will have had an opportunity to meet with the team um and decide what

208
01:01:52.559 --> 01:02:08.720
you want to present for your CPFs for the next uh year in the 120th Congress. Um, I'm suggesting that we begin that process before the new Congress is sworn in because as soon as

209
01:02:08.720 --> 01:02:24.960
the new Congress is sworn in, if you take a look at the chart, you'll see uh the president submits his budget, the new Congress is sworn in in January. The president, if if this timeline were to work, you know, as it's laid out, the president submits his budget in

210
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:40.720
February. Um in March the House and Senate budget committees um they set the budget amounts and then in April the process begins for appropriations hearings. And what that essentially

211
01:02:40.720 --> 01:02:56.559
means is that members begin uh accepting requests. And so we want to have Pasco's request and all of our priorities ready to go for submission. The submission timelines vary depending

212
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:12.640
on the member of Congress. Um but I would say anywhere between April um uh end of March to middle of May is when those submissions will be um required uh to be submitted to the members of

213
01:03:12.640 --> 01:03:28.400
Congress. Um, and in addition to the work that we do on appropriations, uh, Ballard will continue to work with you all to engage federal agencies directly. Um, we

214
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:43.359
provide and flag grant opportunities that may be of interest to local governments. sometimes those um opportunities uh are a a good fit for your team and and we've talked with um

215
01:03:43.359 --> 01:03:59.880
with Ralph about streamlining that process so that it better aligns with um the priorities of the county. Um and now I want to talk a little bit about our timeline. Um

216
01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:18.160
we created a timeline just to sort of a work plan that will help us to guide our efforts and as you'll see it starts in July of this year which is now um in August the Congress takes a a

217
01:04:18.160 --> 01:04:35.680
monthlong recess. So during that time, we'll work with committee staff and continue to track and monitor the primary elections in the state of Florida on the 18th. Um once those primaries are done, we can pretty much uh get to work in terms of working with

218
01:04:35.680 --> 01:04:53.200
um the the new congressional delegation uh in September. That will be an extremely busy month. As I said, the fiscal year ends on September 30th. And um the uh

219
01:04:53.200 --> 01:05:09.680
it is very unlikely that the Congress will be completed with all 12 appropriations bill but again we'll continue to monitor that uh the entire month of October this year because it is an election year uh Congress is not in

220
01:05:09.680 --> 01:05:26.319
session in October um which will give us a lot of time to come to plan to identify the local priorities uh that you all have and to work with Mike and the team on getting those submissions together. We'll begin to socialize those

221
01:05:26.319 --> 01:05:43.760
projects, meet with congressional staff, and then hopefully by December we can finalize the projects so we'll be ready to go in the first quarter of 2027. In January, uh the the new Congress, the 120th, will be sworn in. I believe it

222
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:58.880
would be really good to have some of uh the members of the commission to come up for the swearing in. Um you'll have a new delegation. So I think it's really important that they know you that you have an opportunity to meet some members

223
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:16.480
of their team. Uh and I know in February or early March is usually when uh Commissioner uh Starky and Commissioner Mariano usually come up for Niko. um we'll do um meetings at that time. We'll

224
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:33.280
meet with staff and appropriators. The one good thing about our state that we're very fortunate of is that even outside of the members that represent Pasco directly, we have quite a few members from Florida who serve on the appropriations committee and in the

225
01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:50.640
House and that um is very uh beneficial to to our state. Um, and so we'll make sure that this goaround that we are not just meeting with the members who have submitted your project requests, but some of our appropriators

226
01:06:50.640 --> 01:07:06.799
um who are um we're fortunate that Flidians are very senior on appropriations. So, um there is a um scenario where we could potentially have um a an appropriations chair in the next

227
01:07:06.799 --> 01:07:23.520
Congress or two that's from the state of Florida. So, again, um all good things for for Florida. Um so after um those submissions are due like I said it's a um it varies by

228
01:07:23.520 --> 01:07:39.440
deadline for the office from March um through May. Uh and then the process starts with appropriations hearings. Um we track the submissions. We make sure if the committee staff or the congressional staff have any questions

229
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:55.920
or clarifications, budget uh information that they need from you all that we're working with Mike and Ralph and the team to make sure that that information is provided um so that we can benefit and maximize the appropriations um

230
01:07:55.920 --> 01:08:11.039
opportunity. Um, I do want to also mention that at least this past year, um, the amount of requests that members were able to submit from their district was 15, uh, 20. It moved from 15 to 20.

231
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:29.120
So again, that is beneficial because now we have three members that have 20 slots and uh, I believe and Ralph, if I'm not mistaken, I believe >> 20 20 >> 20 each >> each. Wow. each. So, um, a total of 60

232
01:08:29.120 --> 01:08:46.480
and I'm thinking that for each one of them, you know, you all should at least submit five, but we can certainly talk about that as we go through your priorities. So, that could be potentially 15 requests that um that you all are submitting. Um,

233
01:08:46.480 --> 01:09:04.640
and one other, um, thing I know that there's been a lot of talk about, and this is more so along the lines of the federal agency, uh, funding. Uh, both tracks are important, the congressional appropriations process is an important

234
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:20.640
funding source as well as, uh, opportunities uh, for the federal grants. our senators, our two senators, they don't submit uh appropriations requests, but they're very supportive in the federal grant process. Uh so we want

235
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:37.920
to make sure that we take advantage of that. Uh I know there's been some talk about um changes to different um rules and um opportunities as it relates to federal grants. Let me just say that

236
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:54.239
those federal grant opportunities have not disappeared. The rules for winning those grants, uh, some of those have evolved, um, and they'll likely continue to evolve as the administration priorities

237
01:09:54.239 --> 01:10:10.080
change or are redefined. Um, we'll work with Pasco to stay engaged with the agencies to make sure that you all are familiar with those priorities uh from the Trump administration. Um, we can um

238
01:10:10.080 --> 01:10:28.640
work with your team to align the projects, but it doesn't mean that the money is not there. The money is there and we certainly go after the money that makes sense for Pasco County. Um, and lastly, uh, I just want to point to, um,

239
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:42.960
uh, in your document, there's an appendix on on page nine. It sort of lays out our strategy overview for the grant process. And uh I think we're going to be much more u aggressive and

240
01:10:42.960 --> 01:11:01.840
rigorous in going after federal grant dollars um as we move into this next fiscal year. There are like as I said we had great meetings um earlier this year with uh Commissioner um Starky Mariano

241
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:19.920
and Mike and the team. We um have developed relationships with several agencies including HUD, Department of Labor um and and several others. Uh so we will be looking uh vigorously at

242
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:36.640
opportunities for funding through those uh projects as well and through those agencies. Uh Mr. Chairman. >> Okay. Any questions? Mr. Starky. Um, do you think it's Mario who's going to be I just looking him up because I I know him

243
01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:52.800
a little bit and he's vice chair now. So, >> well, like I said, we have very senior appropriators and I would say on both sides of the aisle, there is a possibility. Awesome. um that um we could end up even with the chair and the

244
01:11:52.800 --> 01:12:09.520
ranking member depending on who is in the majority >> both being Flidians um because that's just how senior the Flidians are on appropriations. >> Excellent. Um [clears throat] uh I was just talking with the county administrator this week about working on

245
01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:25.120
our our trip up and some of the things that we want to accomplish. So, I'm looking forward to us setting a date when we go up with Nico. We, you know, we like doing our rounds, but we know we need to go up more often and at not necessarily

246
01:12:25.120 --> 01:12:40.159
in addition to that time. >> Um, also, as I'm chair again of the federal committee at FAC and I think we are also planning a fact federal fly in this year. Um just to let you know that we

247
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:58.000
I get well in my committee at NAO Community Economic Development and Workforce um we're sponsoring I'm sponsoring two resolutions which we all approved of here. One is to work on the HUD I might have talked to you about this last year. the HUD uh section 8

248
01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:14.000
vouchers >> and uh and and the other one um it has to do with capital gains uh when you sell your house uh right the last time it was touched was in 1992,000 for a single filer 500,000 for joint

249
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:31.199
filer and um working to double that to 500,000 for a single filer and 1 million for joint filers. that will free up a lot of money for for a lot of folks in the housing arena. The council mayors

250
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:47.280
has passed that and I've got NAHB, National Homebuilders Association and the National Association of Realtors also getting on board. So, I know we'll we'll want to talk about that. And for sure, we want to talk about

251
01:13:47.280 --> 01:14:04.719
when we have folks that go into our jail and they lose uh their um their health insurance and we have to pick up the tab. We must fix that. And >> that's right. >> Yeah. So, we're going to really make a big push on that. So, let me just make

252
01:14:04.719 --> 01:14:20.080
one suggestion, Commissioner, and I know how involved you are in your leadership in Niko. Uh, and coming up during Niko is a is a good time, but I will say that because there's so many other counties

253
01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:35.360
up during that time, it makes it a [clears throat] little bit more challenging for some of um some of the meetings. I mean, we always have good meetings with our delegation, but with the agency meetings, I would say that if we can look at possibly doing some

254
01:14:35.360 --> 01:14:52.960
virtual meetings or having you all come up um maybe a little bit later in the spring as um or early summer, um that would be a really good time as well to get sort of more in the weeds on some of the uh regulatory and policy issues.

255
01:14:52.960 --> 01:15:08.400
>> Okay. Um yeah. So >> are y'all going to tackle the procurement? >> Is that a federal or >> the um >> Davis Bacon which eats away >> Oh, the Davis Bacon funding. >> Yes. Um well,

256
01:15:08.400 --> 01:15:24.159
>> I I want to tackle that in my committee. Um but I think we have to do it outside of that committee. So that's one of the issues that we want to talk about when we're up there. >> And we did have a conversation with labor u Mr. chairman about that issue. >> Yeah.

257
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:40.880
>> Um the last time you were here, it's um >> it's a challenge just to be real frank with you. >> Even if we just change the floor from 3,000 to 500,000, it'll go a long way. But um I I kind of feel that with the

258
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:56.480
administration we have now, now's the opportunity. >> They they were actually, I think, fairly receptive. They were going to do some research, so we need to follow follow back. >> That's right. That's right. I I believe they feel that there needs to be some uh statutory changes so that we'll take some congressional action as well.

259
01:15:56.480 --> 01:16:10.880
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Um so I like your idea as far as this on the swearing in. Uh and I think the timing of it's good. It might be even just fly in for a day and fly back the same day, whatever it may be. Uh but I think it's a really good idea. It's before the February. And if we can get

260
01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:28.320
some meetings in during that point for a quick fly up fly back it'll be quick and easy and then we kind of like better than February because when February they got so many people coming in and at them they don't have the full attention. But this way here it may be just they may you know what they were here to support me when we got elected. So I think that

261
01:16:28.320 --> 01:16:44.080
that's some good merit. Um I'm going to be at two resolutions I'm helping with a uh Jeff Branick from Texas on the consortium. We're going to try to speed up the process. Um, with part one, it's like a four-year deal. [clears throat] We're going to try to get it down to two

262
01:16:44.080 --> 01:17:01.040
years. That helps the money spend quicker. With the oversight that right now Treasury does, they want to kind of like unload that and we got a resolution to actually take it away from the Treasury and just like put the trust on us like they do with CDBGr regular money that we do all the

263
01:17:01.040 --> 01:17:16.000
maintenance to make sure we're following the rules. We're trying to push that one through. that takes a burden off them and and and speeds up that process as well. Um I'm going to need your help on with with the Army Corps of Engineers still with permitting stuff, but um something that just I just was alerted

264
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:31.840
to this past week, the steps to recovery program that we spent $3 million of opioid money and Congressman Barakus did a phenomenal job getting $ 1.5 million. That building has got CO ready to open. So I could take 32 veterans that are

265
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:48.239
homeless right now and put them into these buildings. >> Why no one's there? >> Exactly. So what what the problem is is the feds have to do their inspection. They may not get it then till September. Well, hate to anyone see the all the rain we had last night. Hurricane

266
01:17:48.239 --> 01:18:03.600
season's coming up. I could take 32 veterans out of the woods and put them in this building. I haven't even reached out to Bill Aush yet. just found out u just found out about I I'm going to probably need your help like later today, tomorrow and start pushing this thing forward, but I figured well I'll get you right here right now. It's a

267
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:19.520
it's it should be a real easy thing to get them to go do the inspection. If not, wait on the inspection, but let them house the people right now that are homeless. I mean, they want us all these programs we have for homeless and I get a chance to do it and the fed federal government's want to hold me down 60 more days. >> That's a problem with the section 8

268
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:35.840
vouchers as well. It's this so it's an easy hopefully we can like I say work on this real quick. Um and I'm glad you covered the health benefit thing and four rivers is like another project coming up that we could look at some get some help. We got some great success early but I haven't seen the legs go on.

269
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:51.520
So that that would be a great appropriation coming up. Um and as well just got some permits for internal to Hudson some uh canal restoration we're doing. So we've got our our money but we'd like to get some matching funds with that too. So we'll get with you on that. We just had this this meeting just

270
01:18:51.520 --> 01:19:07.040
happened like I think it was Thursday. So, >> good stuff coming up. >> Um, and I I wanted to say >> Representative Luna reached out to me and we uh met >> two weeks ago and you just reminded me that she's going to come up and tour

271
01:19:07.040 --> 01:19:22.159
because my district now is she's in holiday. So, we're going to take her on a little tour of AMSKills, Metropol Ministries, Hope, uh, Pasco Hope, and um, I'd like to get her up to the Bayare Behavior Health. It's not it's not in

272
01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:37.600
her district, but she's very interested in all that kind of stuff. >> I think that's excellent. Just familiarizing her more with the new part of her district um, now is really good so that we can when we get ready to submit our projects, she'll be familiar

273
01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:52.960
with what we're talking about. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay, >> thank you. >> Thank you very much, >> Tracy. Um, I just also want to mention uh county administration has met with Representative Luna's staff as well. Uh,

274
01:19:52.960 --> 01:20:08.159
had a great meeting with them, so they're they're looking forward to uh helping out in uh representing Pasco County. Um, I just wanted to uh close on the federal uh I know Tracy has brought it up a couple of times. So, we're going to going forward, we're going to have

275
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:23.360
our federal legislative workshop on Tuesday, October 13th at the West Pasco government center in New Richie. Uh, this will be t uh our time to finalize our federal legislative priorities, policy, and funding. Uh, I'll invite our

276
01:20:23.360 --> 01:20:40.640
federal legislative delegation members and their representatives to be a part of that uh workshop. It'll be our first one that we've done at the federal level. Uh so going uh forward up until that point, I encourage you to get with staff on any funding initiatives that

277
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:56.080
you all want to look at at the federal level or any policy issues. The um resolutions you uh mentioned, Commissioner Starky, Commissioner Marotta, those will be part of our federal platform. Uh as well as Davis Bacon, there's there's several that

278
01:20:56.080 --> 01:21:12.960
we've been discussing throughout the years uh that will all be included in that. So, now I want to take this opportunity to uh invite our state legislative lobby team to come forward and go over the recap of the 2026 legislative session.

279
01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:26.960
And fingers crossed we don't have any more special uh sessions before the election, but I'm not going to bet on that. Uh so, Sean Foster with Sunrise Consulting, Mike Moore with the Southern Group, and Sarah Suski with Advocacy

280
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:44.239
Partners. Please go to uh start off the meeting a little fun. I looked over at Sarah and Mike. I said, "I just got a text message. We've got another special session." [laughter] Just a joke. Just a joke. Uh thank you. I'm [clears throat] suffering from some little sinus and headaches, so I got a little raspy voice, but we're going to

281
01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:59.760
get through it. Um it was an interesting session. I [clears throat] think every time we come here, we say it was an interesting session, but I think we can all shake our heads. It was one of the most interesting sessions that we've had. We've had in a very long time. Um, we're going to go through it kind of quickly because I know there's some issues that we're concerned about, want

282
01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:14.719
to talk about, and then we'll end up going to wrap up a little bit about some of the stuff that passed in and special session. We can go to the uh next page. Yep. Just real quick, just overall, I want to give you an understanding what happened before session and then all the lobbyists will will agree with me. It

283
01:22:14.719 --> 01:22:30.560
was really crazy. About three days before session started, they filed about 780 bills, you know. So, here we try to work things through session. You try to go through committee weeks. you try to go through before you even get if you don't have a bill heard before session starts as you know you're already in trouble so you can see we had a very low

284
01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:46.480
amount of bills that passed probably not a bad thing right um but it was a lot of that just stuff was not going through committees we would go to committees even in the first second weeks of session you'd have three four bills on there and you could just see the purpose was really being slowed down the whole

285
01:22:46.480 --> 01:23:02.480
session so very low amount you see about everything that happened during special session during redistricting essentially the house came in and said, "We're not going to hear your other two issues on on healthcare and >> the other one >> AI >> the AI bill." Thank you. That the governor said, he said, "We're not going to hear it. We're going to agree with

286
01:23:02.480 --> 01:23:18.000
the map." He signed a diet. He went home. He left the Senate with it. And that's how that map got got passed. So, the speaker was pretty adamant about that. Special session E, of course, about uh the state budget and of course the property taxes. And again, we will talk about that as we go through on the

287
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:34.800
next two. I kind of like this next slide. It kind of just breaks down a little bit on some of the changes. I'm sorry about steady that you'll see the governor's proposal. The governor's proposal was actually $2 billion dollars higher than last year's budget at 115. The Senate came in at 115, the House at

288
01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:50.880
113. I always kind of like joke around, what's a couple billion dollars amongst friends? Well, it's a couple special sessions. That's what it it ends up being. So, I I gave you these two numbers because you you hear two different numbers. The governor truly signed 114.6 6 billion budget. That is

289
01:23:50.880 --> 01:24:07.520
the budget that passed on through the House and the Senate. When you hear the higher number, the 117, those are considered back of the bill issues. Those are the items that they are bringing back up that some can be spent in 2025 26 and in 2627. But the actual budget that passed afterwards was 114

290
01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:23.040
billion. The 117 is is everything that's added on top of that in the back of the bill. We've had stuff that you're not able to expend in that time span and you asked the legislature to give you another year. This one here is kind of gives a a great explanation. I want you to kind of look at this one on the left

291
01:24:23.040 --> 01:24:40.239
first. Our general revenue. So when you talk about 11714 billion budget, the 52 billion is truly that coming from the state. The other 60 billion plus is coming from the federal government as passroughs. That's coming through trust funds. But you can see

292
01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:55.840
that their general revenue has gone up by 50% from 2020 to 2021. That's a lot. and where that growth is happening. >> Doge them. >> You can see over here education is now the largest component with 38%. You can see where it was before. And of course,

293
01:24:55.840 --> 01:25:12.320
health and human services. We're kind of seeing a predictions from the revenue estimating conference that the health and human services is going to go up. We have an older generation. We have more people dying in the state of Florida being born every day. We have more people dying in the state of Florida. So, you can see the the amount the age

294
01:25:12.320 --> 01:25:27.840
is going up very much. So, I think you'll see that one kind of trigger. That was part of the reasons why they wanted to limit a lot of cuts because they said, "Listen, we're going to have a lot of needs coming ahead uh in the years ahead. The the needs are going to be greater than the income coming in." And we'll talk about that. I'm gonna let

295
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:44.960
Sarah take the next one. >> All right. Well, I think Mike was going to take the first one, but wanted to Yeah, that's quite all right. I'll let you go. >> It's okay. We're all here to help, right? We're >> all right. Well, let's talk about funding for Pasco County. Obviously, we had a really really um great year and so

296
01:25:44.960 --> 01:26:01.920
appreciative of our delegation. Our delegation worked very very hard this year on these appropriations. So, we'll start off with the East Pasco Emergency Shelter. So, I had two legislators tell me that this was the hardest they ever worked on appropriations ever in their life. This started off at about a 100

297
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:18.880
$100,000 placeholder. I got bounced around quite a bit. um it got up in the house to uh just over about a million dollars or so and then thankfully with the help of obviously our delegation and our senate president it got up to $5 million in the

298
01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:36.000
sprinkle um throughout that process I think this is important to talk about because there's a lot of people involved in this this took a lot of work from a lot of people so besides representative Maghard and Senator Burgess sponsoring this obviously the Senate President was very involved the speaker of the house

299
01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:51.440
was very involved. Chair Schae was very involved in this as as well as chair deigley and then it came down to the wire um where it almost didn't make it through and thankfully for a lot of efforts talking to the governor's office talking to the governor himself and

300
01:26:51.440 --> 01:27:07.600
staff Kevin Guthrie got involved as well. Um he had approved this and he had actually had a meeting with the governor the Thursday before he actually signed the budget as well and was very very helpful. So, we're very grateful that this got through. This has been the second year year we've worked on it. And

301
01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:24.800
$5 million is a is a is a big a big deal, especially if you look at what got through in this budget for appropriations. >> Awesome. And it's good to see everybody. And uh when we got here, the room was packed. I thought everybody was really excited to hear about our legislative

302
01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:39.920
updates and what happened during session this year, but it's thinned out a little bit. Um but everything is good. So, um, the the county has had, I think, a really good, thoughtful process for appropriations requests at the state

303
01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:56.000
level. Um, and as you can see by what was funded and what you guys have applied for, um, you've had a real focus on things that the state likes to partner with local governments on. So, public safety, emergency response, um,

304
01:27:56.000 --> 01:28:12.159
and so these all reflect that. Um the other two uh uh appropriations that were um approved this year are the Rangeland Boulevard um extension that is creating a new evacuation route for the residents

305
01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:29.840
of Pasco County multimodal connectivity etc. So, that is a fantastic project that was sponsored by Representative Steele and Chair Hooper um who we are very sad to be losing in the legislature. Um but Pasco County will certainly not be losing him uh going

306
01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:47.040
forward. So excited excited for him to um to go back to, you know, his his life um and play a lot of golf hopefully. Um uh the other project that was um also funded is the decontamination truck for

307
01:28:47.040 --> 01:29:02.639
the firefighters here. They put forth a lot of effort, multiple trips to Tallahassee and a lot of meetings. And I know this was very important to all of you guys to make sure that our firefighters have the, you know, are protected from carcinogens as quickly as

308
01:29:02.639 --> 01:29:18.639
possible once they've saved lives and saved property um within the county. So very grateful to your legislative delegation, to all of your staff who worked very hard putting these um appropriations requests together, and we're very pleased to um that the

309
01:29:18.639 --> 01:29:35.120
governor approved these ones. So I'll pass it back. >> Thanks. Just just to end, obviously we'll be working closely with your team and yourselves and Ralph and Mike on next year's request. Um and one of the things we have to think about is you have new leadership coming in. You're going to have a new governor. You're

310
01:29:35.120 --> 01:29:50.239
going to have a new speaker of the house. You're going to have you're going to have a new Senate President. Thankfully, we have amazing relationships with all the above, whoever that may be. But we know this next Senate President is going to be Senator Boyd and Sam Garrison's going to be the speaker of the house. So, what we

311
01:29:50.239 --> 01:30:05.600
have to think about in the meantime, we'll have these conversations with them again. What are their priorities? What are they going to lean towards? Because we want to make sure that we're aligning with what some of their priorities are so things get through. So once we know who the governor is, we'll sit down with the governor and her his or her staff.

312
01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:22.239
Um but we will have um some pre meetings here coming up with the Senate President and the next speaker of the house. So just going to go into some of the the policy items. If if you have questions, you can obviously interject anytime or we can do them at the end, whatever whatever you feel. We try to go over some of the bills that have, you know,

313
01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:39.040
some policy impacts and obviously anytime you increase F FRS or make adjustments. So I wanted to just go over the brief. It was a big bill. One of the items that came out of there was overall regular class employee costs decreased while cost for the uh other employees classes increased. The drop fund access

314
01:30:39.040 --> 01:30:55.600
this was a big thing for folks here for the elected officials uh now at over age 59 and a half without terminating elected office uh will have access to their drop funds. They did not have that before. They will not have access to their retirement. They will have access to their through their drop funds. Uh

315
01:30:55.600 --> 01:31:11.920
the other one point here is really with the financial impact that you'll see is the 1.5% impact. Uh but ultimately uh the overall retirement is up to 2.8 when you're talking about the special risk employees uh and their cola as you know that's assessed once a year. So that will have an impact for you all in the

316
01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:30.080
future. Next Mike and I are going to share these a little bit. >> All right. This first one is so software immunity. We hear that every year. It keeps coming back and back and back. Um it did pass this year, but it got beaten by the governor. Um what that would have

317
01:31:30.080 --> 01:31:47.360
done is raise the limits from $200,000, $300,000 per incident of 350 and 500. They were trying to get this up to even 750 to a million. Um we'll be surprised if it comes back again next year because the main sponsor will be back again next year. The governor did veto it. He he

318
01:31:47.360 --> 01:32:03.920
stated that he was worried about frivolous lawsuits that that could happen. He's also concerned about the impact it could have on local government. So, we are I know Jeff probably and and David as well as Mike are probably grateful that did that move through this year. Can we keep going or

319
01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:19.360
good? Okay. As you can see, we're just got we all work on these issues and the next three are kind of explainable. The DEI prohibition uh the net zero policy uh prohibits any governmental agencies from taking action against supports of net zero. But the next one really here

320
01:32:19.360 --> 01:32:35.760
is kind of important too is it mandates an annual 10% reduction exercise and requires posting uh of employee salaries for publicity. So a lot of this want to say anything on this go to the next one. >> Well just to go on that local government

321
01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:51.520
1329 there's a couple other yeah that that was huge. It's obviously it's going to have an impact on the county. I think Mike's taking a look at that in Jeff as well. But there's a few other things I think I just wanted to point out because it's going to require counties, municipalities to post their attendant budgets online.

322
01:32:51.520 --> 01:33:06.800
>> Didn't we already do that? >> Well, then it is >> 5 days before public hearings happen. You may already do that. I'm not sure, but you're required to do that going forward. Um but also one of the big things like like saying this budget exercise mandating that that budget

323
01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:22.960
exercise and having it during a workshop and posting that you have this is what the results are and showing how you can reduce your budget by 10%. Um >> is this for state and local or just local? >> This is um county municipalities and it

324
01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:39.360
als it also it also affects [laughter] um no it affects um constitutionals as well. Okay. Not that the next thing will the next item will affect constitutional as well. This is this is something you don't currently do, but it requires

325
01:33:39.360 --> 01:33:56.159
counties and municipalities to publish their quarterly compensation summaries online as well. So your your employees what their salaries are are going to have to be published online going forward. Now you can still get access to that. It's public record, but it's doesn't go on the web on the site. And that actually affects constitutions, not

326
01:33:56.159 --> 01:34:16.239
just municipalities and county commission. Um, I think that's the most There's some things on the impact fees we can get into offline. Sorry, going to go through these a little bit. Um, allows code enforcement officers to enforce derelict vessels.

327
01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:32.560
Anchoring is subject to FD FWC approval. That had not been there before. So, that's giving us some of those rights necessary. Matter of fact, I saw some out there. >> There's one in Gul Harbor. It's on fire sitting there. >> Uh, the Shimberg study. This is this was really really important. Um

328
01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:49.679
the the house wanted to get rid of the Schindberg study at all. Remember the Schindberg study, right? It tells you what you can do with affordable housing. >> So it's now gone to three years. What does that mean? Well, it kind of weakens it. Meaning now they can look over three years instead of a 12 month. They kind

329
01:34:49.679 --> 01:35:05.520
of saw the next 12 months and and it was going to be a huge difference to them and it was more beneficial if they did the three years. not as beneficial for us uh as counties for the three years on the Shimberg study. So I want to make that kind of clear. Uh 290 real direct prelims local governments from

330
01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:22.159
restrictions on gas powered small engines. There were some cities and counties around the states that had done that. And uh the last one, this is an issue too, restricts the use of excess funds from the building department to build a building to house uh building department. In the past we were able to do that. All of these bills that we just

331
01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:39.600
mentioned have you have seen on the bottom there have all been approved by the governor. >> I'm let you start off in the development one. >> That's dumb. >> There we go. This is what we do all session. We do it back and forth. What good is this guys? >> Sarah, I think you're jumping on one of

332
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:55.600
these coming at the end. Uh 3.99. Another just huge huge bill. Uh I want to talk about four or five items that are on there real quick. Uh you can see the application fees for development and permits orders must relate to direct and re reasonable costs. There was even issues in there about hourly and how we

333
01:35:55.600 --> 01:36:12.560
would look at an employee with hourly charges. Uh local governments must allow a school district and charter schools reasonable access to public easements and writeways and interlocal agreements. We have talked about that and seen that in the past. Number three, off-site constructed dwellings prohibits, this is

334
01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:28.000
a big one, local governments from restricting the use of off-site constructed re residential dwellings beyond requirements that apply to other types of residential dwellings in the same zoning district. Uh, residential compatibility makes any change relating

335
01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:44.800
to residential compatibility, local governments must include factors to assess compatible residential uses. And the last you'll see again this was uh approved by the governor. A local government cannot require additional property be purchased for approval of a

336
01:36:44.800 --> 01:37:02.159
compost facility. Yes, that was there. >> Hang on number four. I think >> I think that was one in Orlando and Orange County that that issue was really big. But >> I I have a question on number four. >> Go ahead. >> Um does that preempt local um HOA documents or

337
01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:18.639
>> No, it's it's only us. It's only local government. see that in there, right? And that statute would just pertain to local >> Oh, I'm sorry. Number three. >> Right. >> Number three. Does that preempt HOA rules? >> I didn't see that either. I could follow Jeffrey. I

338
01:37:18.639 --> 01:37:35.360
>> tuner. I didn't see that. No. >> Normally, they stay away. >> HOA preempt a lot. Color of the house, what mulch they put in there, all that that you are not restricted to. >> Well, I'm sorry. What did you say? Well, I'm saying HOAs have a lot more flexibility that they can have in their uh documents from telling

339
01:37:35.360 --> 01:37:51.600
>> Yeah. Like we don't preempt, >> right? >> Yeah. We don't preempt them either. >> No, you don't preempt. I'm just saying they could tell them, you know, what color bark can be in their front yard. So, >> all right. Number four, residential compatibility. Is there like a new definition for compatibility? >> I will get that. So, Andrew, actually,

340
01:37:51.600 --> 01:38:06.960
my Andrew in my office took the lead, but I will find that out for you. It's pretty awful. So, does that deal with zoning or does it deal with land use? >> Zoning. >> Zoning. >> Okay. >> But you >> So, yeah, you're

341
01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:24.639
it it's more to the zoning classific the what local government used to be able to determine as compatibility, they have now said needs to be in your codes. So it's

342
01:38:24.639 --> 01:38:39.840
we can we can give you a more detailed analysis of that. It makes it more difficult for you to deny a project on the ba basis of compatible with the next >> I think it's maybe for the next meeting we can have a little discussion point on that >> items

343
01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:56.000
>> on on number one. I actually you know I saw some abuses in the state on this. I I know of a city that might be in our county um where I had a friend who was building a house that was very nice house in the $3 million range and they

344
01:38:56.000 --> 01:39:12.080
based the build the building permit on the value of the house. So he was paying almost $100,000, you know, for his building permit review. >> Crazy, [laughter] >> which is kind of crazy.

345
01:39:12.080 --> 01:39:28.428
>> Crazy. He sued, but he didn't. He ended up having to drop it. Just >> All right. >> I know. >> We can go [snorts] back to that. >> Another big one. 803. >> Yeah. So, I'll take this one. So, talking more about that off-site

346
01:39:28.428 --> 01:39:44.159
[snorts] manufactured homes u must be allowed in zoning area where single family [clears throat] detached homes are allowed. I again, yeah, that's be a little redundant here, but it's

347
01:39:44.159 --> 01:39:59.199
how do I put it? Yeah, it's going to be a problem. [laughter] You know, it, you know, for lots of the neighborhoods, um, not just within the county, but within the cities as well. A lot of cities are very, very concerned about that because a lot of the cities, municipalities don't have as many HOAs. They don't have

348
01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:17.119
as many CDDs as the county does, but it's still within the county. So, that's turning out to be a really, really big concern. Um, now, you know, I I'll let you listen to your attorney, but there may be ways that you can look at the

349
01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:31.360
structures themselves. Um, and there's certain type you might be able to put certain >> thresholds on the structures. Jeeoff, I mean, >> we I mean, we had talked about the board

350
01:40:31.360 --> 01:40:46.639
had talked about in the past um you know, things like [snorts] the requirement for a garage. >> Your normal manufactured home is not going to come with a garage. So, that might be a way that you could keep them

351
01:40:46.639 --> 01:41:03.760
out of a construction uh what we used to just have as as residential stick built areas. Um Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I think it's something obviously the county attorney's office has to discuss. So, let's go to the

352
01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:19.920
uniform commercial permit application. The state's going to adopt a uniform commercial permit application to be used statewide for all commercial construction process. So, they're going to be working on that now and I think it's by July I think of next year this is going to be done. So, all

353
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:34.560
municipalities, all counties are going to have to use that going forward. Um, ne next slide. I can see it. So, it's inspection fees. Um, single family home threshold. That's a big one for everybody here. Uh, no permits, new no permits required for single family

354
01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:51.440
dwellings if the work is valued at less than $7,500. >> That's great. >> Now, obviously, when it comes to electrical, plumbing, structural, mechanical, or gas work, obviously those are left out, but going forward, you know, that will have an impact obviously on your on your building department. You

355
01:41:51.440 --> 01:42:05.840
will not be able to charge for those items. um hurricane and flood protections. No permit permits are required for the installation of temporary residential hurricanes and flood protection walls or barriers going forward. And inspection fees, um you're going to have to take a close look at

356
01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:20.960
that. Um prohibits inspection fees based on the total cost of the project. Fees must be based on actual costs incurred in the agency by the agency to perform an approved inspection required for a permit. Go to the next slide real quick.

357
01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:43.280
thresh have a question on >> I think so. >> I have a question on the inspection fee. >> Yeah. Okay. Go back if you would go back. >> Go back. >> Yeah, you can go back. >> Commissioner Starky, >> I think we now have a fee

358
01:42:43.280 --> 01:42:59.199
for the fire marshall that goes into buildings. Is that right? Every and just curious if that's going to fly with this. >> Oh, uh, thank you for the question. The fire

359
01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:14.560
fees are separate. They're not considered building permitting fees because it's under the fire administration. We'll talk about that later. >> Name and title. >> Oh, JP Murphy, director. >> What do we charge? Don't they go in businesses annually? >> Well, I don't know the answer to that

360
01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:31.040
question. That would be left for the chief. I think that started re Okay, here comes the fire chief. >> Chairman, wait. Uh Sean or Mike or whoever >> on the glazing requirement, does that conflict with the federal rule

361
01:43:31.040 --> 01:43:47.840
for windows because of global warming and whatnot? I >> I I I don't know what the federal rule is. I mean, I again I know you guys like more of course for the the look of the building and everything else. I Are you asking me is it Are we going more or

362
01:43:47.840 --> 01:44:02.239
less? >> Less. I think the federal requirement. >> I didn't know they had >> for glazing. >> I'd have to chat you.

363
01:44:02.239 --> 01:44:18.320
>> I'd be surprised though if they would get through staff >> and the attorney house and city attorney's office that they would do something that contradicts what federal polic. >> Yeah. That would surprise me. It would be surprised me that we'd be allowed to go less than federal.

364
01:44:18.320 --> 01:44:33.440
>> Well, who would have thought we'd be talking about glazing in here? >> And when >> I didn't know we required glaze. >> I mean, >> the the state just felt we were requiring more glass, but I think the understanding than this talking was going committee because the aesthetics looked better with a lot of the glass

365
01:44:33.440 --> 01:44:48.960
that you guys were asking. Somebody >> I was just I was just curious. [snorts] >> One more thing to hit on this too is the private buyer part of this. So, it specifies the permit fees for commercial construction projects must be reduced by at least 25% when you use a private

366
01:44:48.960 --> 01:45:06.080
provider going forward. Um that's for plan building inspection services reduces by at least 50% when a private provider is used for all plan reviews and building inspection services. So that's something else that will have an impact [snorts] this afternoon.

367
01:45:06.080 --> 01:45:20.960
>> Okay, the fire marshall is going to answer my question just real fast. >> I mean the fire chief. Thank you, Mr. Ryan. Fire Chief. I think we charge a flat fee and then depending on square footage, we have an increaser on top of that for reinspections.

368
01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:39.840
>> Okay. If if someone could email me what it is, I Yes, ma'am. Thanks. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> There are no federal >> did not >> there wasn't for there wasn't for global warming in that whole deal. All right.

369
01:45:39.840 --> 01:45:55.760
>> Um and so related to those previous two bills. I think there have been a lot of concerns from local governments, you know, the manufactured homes provisions, etc. Um, and I do feel that there are is a a

370
01:45:55.760 --> 01:46:11.360
desire of the legislative sponsors to address some concerns next year. So certainly, you know, once we've gone through all of the points of any of this legislation, um certainly we ought to consider putting things on next year's

371
01:46:11.360 --> 01:46:28.400
legislative agenda if there's a fix for something that is that is truly concerning. Um and but just moving quickly through the next slide, uh we've got a bunch of bioolids um legislation that was proposed this year. um two

372
01:46:28.400 --> 01:46:43.119
bills that passed, one or two bills that were signed by the governor, one that was vetoed. So the first one, Senate Bill 290, um uh limits the land application of bioolids to only class

373
01:46:43.119 --> 01:47:00.320
doubleA bioolids. Um and so that is, you know, all of these things are here to help protect the environment. Um the House Bill 1245 was vetoed by the governor and then House Bill 1285

374
01:47:00.320 --> 01:47:15.600
um originated from an issue going on in the panhandle um in a county within the panhandle who spent significant time monetary resources to upgrade their wastewater [snorts] treatment facility

375
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:32.639
um and still had some businesses in the area making applications to land apply by their septage. Um, and you know, I think the county had a desire to protect the environment and and stop that from happening. So, this legislation will

376
01:47:32.639 --> 01:47:49.920
create a 30m perimeter around any um uh class B wastewater treatment facility. If um you know, if it has capacity and is close enough, then people should not be land applying their uh bioolid. >> Question chair.

377
01:47:49.920 --> 01:48:07.760
>> And so, yes. Mr. W, >> does that go across county lines? >> Um, I believe it's with 30 mile radius. >> So 30 miles. >> Yes. >> And it can go over like say Pasco into Hernando. There's not like a flow control component to this.

378
01:48:07.760 --> 01:48:22.080
>> Let me look into that for you. But I believe that it's a statewide law and the 30 mile. But I I'll confirm that for you, Commissioner. Yes, sir. >> Um, and then moving on, data centers. Gosh, you guys are dealing with it right

379
01:48:22.080 --> 01:48:38.800
now as we speak. Um, and so there was legislation proposed this year. Um, the initial legislation out of the House of Representatives would have for all intents and purposes banned large-scale data centers within our state. um

380
01:48:38.800 --> 01:48:53.760
through a lot of stakeholder input and uh you would be you probably would not be surprised but a lot of other folks would be surprised how many stakeholders are really interested in data centers. Um you know there's an economic impact.

381
01:48:53.760 --> 01:49:09.520
There are sound concerns. There are just a multitude of things that people are considering [clears throat] and that I know is is on your agenda later this afternoon. But the legislature in their wisdom um decided to take a more measured approach rather than banning

382
01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:26.719
them alto together. Um and they created a framework for data centers within the state of Florida that um they believe and the governor believes will protect consumers and homeowners within the state. So it prohibits utility companies

383
01:49:26.719 --> 01:49:43.199
from shifting any of the costs for the electricity um etc to residents in the area um by creating tariffs and uh prohibiting the splitting up of the load and trying to pretend like it's a it's [snorts] a smaller a bunch of smaller

384
01:49:43.199 --> 01:50:00.719
customers when we all know that it's a big data center. Um they have also restricted water usage and encouraged the use of reuse water where available. Um and given the water management district, so

385
01:50:00.719 --> 01:50:17.440
the governor and DP are very involved in water management districts as well. So I think that's a big backs stop but giving them permitting standards um and and some authority over these facilities. Um, it also gave you guys control over

386
01:50:17.440 --> 01:50:33.360
zoning, planning, um, and permitting, which is a huge help. Um, and also, >> there's a lot of irony right there. I'm just going to say on the record, there's a lot of irony in SB484.

387
01:50:33.360 --> 01:50:49.119
I'll leave it at that. >> Indeed. Um, and the legislation also prohibits um, utilities from contracting with foreign companies of concern um, to try and keep some bad actors out of the

388
01:50:49.119 --> 01:51:05.280
United States related to data centers which are all over the place. So, um, and with that, I think I will pass it along. We're all we're all going to kind of jump into this. So, we're going to end with this, uh, folks. We're going to be doing some property tax discussion and, uh, talk about it real quick. So,

389
01:51:05.280 --> 01:51:20.560
as you know, this was the the big issue that in in the special session. Uh it's going to need 60% approval. I don't have to tell you about about the numbers 150 up to 250. But I but I will give you this because it just came out literally as we were sitting here. The revenue estimated conference just this is the re

390
01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:38.400
not league of cities not association of counties in year one. Pasco County will feel feel a $145 million impact. Year five that jumps to 336. Year two 250. Your special districts in year one are 5.9 million. And just the day city alone

391
01:51:38.400 --> 01:51:53.440
right here where we're at will have 1.1 million. It doubles almost in year five the 2 million. We're happy to share that. That just came out uh right before we came out. Um I will say there's been a lot of speculation whether this is going to pass or not pass. But let me give you this. Three property tax

392
01:51:53.440 --> 01:52:09.920
exemptions have not passed since 2018. In 2018 the voters had an opportunity to increase the 25,000 up to 100. They voted that down. It was at 58%. It had no support. It had no opposition. They also voted two down in 2022. One that would have done law enforcement,

393
01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:24.960
teachers, and firefighters. They voted that down. And they also voted one down that would have helped families going through issues with um recovery from a a sinkhole to a hurricane. Remember, they did that one also reducing it. So there are there is some history uh with us

394
01:52:24.960 --> 01:52:39.840
voting them down. So trust for local governments of course was kept out in the schools of uh of that resolution. And then the last thing right here, I'll let you go ahead and jump to that last one. Mike, >> if if you would go back back to that just for a second. >> Yes.

395
01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:56.080
>> Um, so I I I was reading once >> one poll was done >> maybe a week or so ago. Yes, sir. >> And it was said there was about a 64% chance of passing. >> Yeah, I heard. >> I then just saw another one from USA Today and that one was a little bit skewed. It had like 3% more Democrats

396
01:52:56.080 --> 01:53:12.639
than Republicans. Independents were neutral. um that one showed 54% were going to vote against it. >> So there's a huge gap to what's going on. >> The polling that I have shown to you all know what a push poll is once they're notified of what the implications are of the parks, the libraries, those

397
01:53:12.639 --> 01:53:29.119
situations that impact us every day, uh the voting goes down. So when the push polls are done and they're said, would you still vote for it if you think that your library is going to be restricted or if your parks are going to be restricted or if your fees and other areas are going to go up? that obviously hits it dramatically. There's a couple

398
01:53:29.119 --> 01:53:44.239
items with it. There's also a couple lawsuits that are saying the way that it's done right now, saying that new homeowners uh cannot get the exemption for five years is not legal constitutionally. They're also finding the constitutionality of the language on the actual um there because they

399
01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:59.840
extended it and also the way that it's said, >> but all they have to do is rewrite the language, right? It doesn't kill the >> misleading. No, that's an issue. >> Yeah. >> Right. So Sean, when we were up in Tallahassee, we talked about, you know, the growth that this county has. If we

400
01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:16.320
have to build a road, we don't build it for 5 years or 5% that's coming in. You got to build it for a 20-year road. When we built the overpass at 75, we built it way ahead of time to be a lot cheaper than, you know, for 50 $60 million compared to we're going to spend 184 million to 54 because we waited too long. So by being ahead of head of the

401
01:54:16.320 --> 01:54:32.400
curve, wastewater plants, you just talked about advanced waste water cost a lot more money. We got to build it. We don't build it for the 5% growth. We got 2% growth. We're coming. We're building it for 20 years down the road. So, we got capacity. And sometimes those surges throw your budget up. Ridge Road. If

402
01:54:32.400 --> 01:54:47.760
Army Corps of Engineer was out of the way, we could have that thing done for onetenth the price. >> Right. Right. >> Um when we're up there, you also mentioned as far as the growth with the government. So, the state government, the slide you showed from 2021, >> you saw that >> 50%. That's the biggest slide out there.

403
01:54:47.760 --> 01:55:03.360
What was that growth been? Probably about the same. So if we're so bad, >> yeah, >> what are they doing? And as they say, they look >> proposed by the speaker to reduce your sales tax by a half half a percent, which would have been the first time in the the history for the state of

404
01:55:03.360 --> 01:55:18.800
Florida. The speaker offered reducing it by a half a cent. He didn't after it was not accepted by the governor and the senate. He also offered a quarter of a penny and that was not. So he saw that and the reason that they said it, here comes the pun is they said they knew

405
01:55:18.800 --> 01:55:33.760
that there was tougher times coming ahead and the needs were outlasting the funding and they couldn't reduce. >> Okay. So tougher times coming for them but not for us. >> I you can read between the lines there. I'll say that. >> All right. Let me just let me just make it one more Commissioner Jagger. So when

406
01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:50.320
I look at it, they protected the schools. That's 50% of your tax budget, >> right? >> They protected fire safety, which is at least 50% of your budget. And now they're going to take the 25% that's left and that's what's going to save everything to cut and eliminate property taxes. Absolutely absurd to me. Uh,

407
01:55:50.320 --> 01:56:05.199
Commissioner. >> Okay. So, my question is, and I guess we we kind of talked about a little bit, but what is the financial outlook of the state and the second part of it is the governor's grant has now been taken away

408
01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:21.760
by the house. So, if property taxes do pass, so what what does that look like? I >> I'll do the first one real quick. Um the review conference who just met does not give the best look uh for the state of Florida. The state of Florida does very well because we don't have an income

409
01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:38.239
tax. And why do we not have an income tax? Because we have tourism. So, um I I'll say this, the sales tax is maintaining well uh with tourism. The tourism just came down for the first time in 10 years. We had a sm small slight reduction in the state of Florida

410
01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:52.880
uh for the tourism. We're also seeing those numbers down a little bit right now. Why? Because part of the economy. Another big factor was the unemployment. The unemployment has ticked up.1% every month since February. So we are at 4.1. We're starting to go to 4.6. They see

411
01:56:52.880 --> 01:57:07.679
that continuing to go. They also look at every avenue looking at permits. permits for the state of Florida, maybe not all here in Pasco, but have gone down drastically to about onethird of what they were two years ago statewide. That is developers starting to see uh the

412
01:57:07.679 --> 01:57:24.800
need drop. Homes have stopped and one of the things that has maintained and I talked about a little bit earlier in the state of Florida is our growth. Our growth is not what it was back in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025 saw a net

413
01:57:24.800 --> 01:57:42.000
migration of only 25,000 people coming to the state of Florida. The areas that you are still seeing growth are very very few. We're not there. It is Sumpter and it is is Duval. And what the revenue estimating conference just said is with the population going down because our state of Florida has done extremely well

414
01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:57.920
by people coming to Florida. That's where our extra growth is. If the growth comes down, which is what they're predicting, that is going to become a lot more problems with us and the counties with the less growth coming into the state of Florida. It doesn't look good. And they're looking at a 7 to8 billion

415
01:57:57.920 --> 01:58:13.840
less money to meet all the needs three years from now for the state of Florida. 7 to8 billion. That that is a huge number. And just just a followup, you know, for local government, we we go to you guys and say, "Hey, we really need

416
01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:28.960
this decon truck. Hey, we really need this." And that's with the taxpayers money, right? >> So, I just wonder what that looks like if it does pass. How are all these because there's going to be a lot of needy counties. >> Well, one of the things you see, you have 27 counties in the state of Florida

417
01:58:28.960 --> 01:58:45.520
that call fiscally constrained. That number will go up to 37. We have 67 counties in the state of Florida. 37 of the 67 will not be able to create more than $5 million per millillage that they have in their county. Meaning they can't build their schools. They can't build their county buildings. They can't build

418
01:58:45.520 --> 01:59:01.840
the Department of Health in 37 of the 67 counties if this passes. >> I heard uh >> Right. >> But I do want to say on the record, I am all for cutting taxes. We definitely need to cut, but um I just had some

419
01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:17.040
questions on if this does pass. So, thank you, Mr. Um yeah, I heard some of those counties will have to merge. Um I also heard when we were at FAC, um people were saying that they had heard from legislators that unless your mill is at 10, don't

420
01:59:17.040 --> 01:59:33.760
ask for any help from the state. >> I I think some of the most immediate needs are going to be special districts. You guys will have other areas. Special districts do not >> because we have >> So the number that I just showed you for the special districts in the >> county are unbelievable. So they're the

421
01:59:33.760 --> 01:59:49.679
ones are going to have a lot of trouble too throughout the state. Fire others >> and also what um talked to swift mode when we were at fact is they said all cooperative funding projects are on hold. >> One one thing I wrote wrote with Florida tax too. If and I I said this a long

422
01:59:49.679 --> 02:00:06.080
time ago if they put a higher sales tax in that panhandle is going to get crushed. Everybody's going to go shop to the north like they do now right you see in Tallahassee. And that that is going to if they do take the sales tax to offset all this, it goes from 6% to 15%.

423
02:00:06.080 --> 02:00:21.360
That jump would actually devastate not only the panhandle, but now you go down south and it's going to whack everybody down there. And those counties that are in bad shape now, it's going to get even worse. So this whole thing could be a giant gigantic disaster for the state. So we're going to treat I'm going to

424
02:00:21.360 --> 02:00:38.159
keep on getting the word out. I I think it's important since Rouse closed is again just to thank our our legislators and thank our delegation for all their hard work, you know, when it came to appropriations and things this year. You're going to have two new members of the delegation this year. As it was stated earlier, Senator Hooper is or

425
02:00:38.159 --> 02:00:55.840
three, I'm sorry, you're right. Three, I forgot about Steel. [laughter] So, you're going to have three because Hulkcoms has um decided to move on and you have um Representative Steel that's decided to move on and then Hooper has retired. So, you're going to have three new members of your delegation coming up. So we will know by November, some

426
02:00:55.840 --> 02:01:12.400
earlier than that, who your entire delegation is going to be. So again, we're every one of us is very grateful because so we work hard. >> I want to say I want to thank you guys for all the great work you've done. I I love that you guys work together. If you didn't work together as tightly as you did, we wouldn't have got what we got this year. So thank you for all working

427
02:01:12.400 --> 02:01:27.280
together. >> We actually like each other. >> A good thing. [laughter] A good thing. Can I add one one thing onto that is that I want to also thank you guys because this we I say it every year, but this session was was not easy. Last session wasn't easy. Um, you know,

428
02:01:27.280 --> 02:01:43.599
they're they're trying to cut the budget every year, but our needs are going up. So, I know you guys fight tooth and nail to the very end. And I know everything you guys put into it. So, thank you very much. and um sometimes your job looks fun and glorious, but I know it's super

429
02:01:43.599 --> 02:01:59.920
hard and we appreciate you. >> Okay, so I want to I want to stop this. Ralph, if you want to make some comments while I have to do them later. Um I've got Bill Cron in here. He's got one item. We're at past noon time, so I want to do Bill and David Angle real quick. >> R77. >> Good morning, U board of county

430
02:01:59.920 --> 02:02:15.520
commissioners. My name is David Engel. I'm the planning and economic development director for Pasco County. This project is uh part of our economic development programming and they say in in bowling if you get three strikes in a row you get a turkey. Well, this is the

431
02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:32.400
turkey around the Zephr Hills airport. This is number three in the uh portfolio that the Pasco Economic Development Council has presented to us. The property uh where this project is going in which is called Confidential Project Wonka for one more minute uh is a 62

432
02:02:32.400 --> 02:02:48.719
acre site. It's located on 6th Avenue near the Valduko property. So, this is number three in the Zephr Hills airport area. We had Valduko, we had Mitec, which is a a roofing system company going in and this will be number three. Uh there'll be a the proposal is to do a

433
02:02:48.719 --> 02:03:05.440
250,000 square foot food processing and distribution facility. It'll generate um 100 direct full-time jobs. Induced and indirect jobs collectively will be 564 jobs. The capital investment is $111

434
02:03:05.440 --> 02:03:23.199
million and uh the incentive proposal is $3.206 million and it's broken down into three concise buckets of incentives. One is the job creation incentive. They have applied for 37 full-time employee jobs with an

435
02:03:23.199 --> 02:03:41.119
average wage of approximately $63,000 a year, which is 115% of the county average. uh we have a $3 million uh dollar um advalorum rebate which will be paid out over 10 years. Now over that 10-year period the general fund will be

436
02:03:41.119 --> 02:03:59.360
inuring 5.14 million. So it is net positive to the county general fund cash flow and after 10 years uh the incentive is is uh uh completed and then we get the full taxable advantage. The gross county product contribution is $63.2 2

437
02:03:59.360 --> 02:04:16.000
million a year. So, I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Cronin, who's president and CEO of the Pasco Econom Economic Development Council, and he will introduce you to the project. Thank you. >> Thank you, David. And uh thank you, Commission. Good morning or good

438
02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:31.679
afternoon and happy Tuesday. And I'd be remiss if I didn't say it's another great day here in Pasco County. So, we're going to change the flavor a little bit of the uh conversation. I'm thrilled to introduce to you a company that's not only a global leader in its

439
02:04:31.679 --> 02:04:48.480
industry, but it's also multigenerational, family-owned business with deep roots with commitment to quality and excellence. As a matter of fact, the company's first slogan was La Passion Dea Qualete, which is French for

440
02:04:48.480 --> 02:05:05.280
passion for quality, and it still serves as their guiding principle still today. So without further ado, I'm happy to share that Monanin Incorporated and Monin Americas doing business as Monan Americas, a Frenchfounded flavoring

441
02:05:05.280 --> 02:05:22.320
manufacturer with over 110 years of heritage, has selected one of our Pasco EDC ready site, specifically the Zephr Hills Industrial Park for its next major manufacturing expansion here. Uh they currently have presence in over 150

442
02:05:22.320 --> 02:05:38.320
companies uh countries. Monan is a uh yeah countries. Uh they're the premier flavor choice for coffee houses, food services and operators worldwide. You probably have >> we use them in our Starky market. >> I was going to say you probably have

443
02:05:38.320 --> 02:05:53.599
some syrup in your coffee right now depending on where you went. Um this project's $111 million as mentioned by David earlier today. 250,000 square foot facility that's going to be located on that first ready site that we had back

444
02:05:53.599 --> 02:06:09.679
when we first started the ready sites program uh back around uh 2016. So, highly successful program, but I want to highlight that these jobs uh are going to be above the average wage. Uh several of them will be and then also the

445
02:06:09.679 --> 02:06:25.679
partnership. Again, this was another one of those projects that had the state, the county, uh county staff, uh Pasco EDC, city of Zephr Hills, and Duke Energy all working together on this. And that is such a great message to other

446
02:06:25.679 --> 02:06:43.040
people that want to want to come here. I said it with Boduko and I'll say it again with Monan. It's going to smell great in that area of the county. But um here today to join us uh we have a couple representatives from Monin Incorporated and that is Mr. Greg Greybo

447
02:06:43.040 --> 02:06:58.960
who is our CFO for Monen Americas and Stacia Johnston who's representing the CEO tonight. And I'd like to ask them to say a few words. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you for

448
02:06:58.960 --> 02:07:15.760
>> I'm Greg Greybo, CFO of Onen. Uh thank you for having us here today. Um we just wanted to reiterate what was already said. Um we love uh we love the site. We look forward to hiring all the people out here and investing in the community. We're excited about where we are. Uh

449
02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:32.480
this project is going to help carry us forward for the next 10 to 20 years. All the numbers we just spoke of was just phase one. Um we won't build out the full site um in phase one. So as we continue to grow continue to grow with pass county.

450
02:07:32.480 --> 02:07:48.400
The only thing I would add is that we are um our business is growing at such an exponential rate that we are um we need this land and this manufacturing plant in order to continue to grow our business and offer um our product into

451
02:07:48.400 --> 02:08:03.840
coffee shops, restaurants, bars, cafes, hotels around all of the Americas, US, Canada, and Latin America. And so this will be a really uh much needed manufacturing plant for our company as we continue to grow. So, thank you for considering >> and will you your name for the records?

452
02:08:03.840 --> 02:08:19.440
>> Oh, sorry. Stacia Johnston. I'm the SVP of strategic planning for Mon Americas. >> Very good. Commissioner Stark. >> So, um I have toured your facility in Penllis County. Um and um as you know, we have our AMSkills manufacturing training program. You may not know that

453
02:08:19.440 --> 02:08:35.840
if you're not from Penllis, but um we've been working with you guys for over 10 years. So, um we are working on expanding our our manufacturing training program to the east side. As a matter of fact, we have a boot camp coming up in August out in Zephr Hills. So, um, we're

454
02:08:35.840 --> 02:08:51.520
really glad you're here and we look forward to helping you train your workforce. >> You're excited to be here next next August. We'll be in that. >> Yeah. >> I think I think you ought to take a look at the kumquat here in Pasco County and

455
02:08:51.520 --> 02:09:08.719
maybe have a have a unique our counties our counties plant something >> make it a flavor and incorporate it into something. I'm just saying. >> I agree. >> Love it. >> Day city is the kumquat capital of the world. >> I make I make the decision for the flavor of the year. So, I'll put it in

456
02:09:08.719 --> 02:09:24.320
the note. [laughter] >> We're going to have to send them a pie. >> All right. Commissioner Oak, >> I would uh like to welcome you to Pasco County. U I was born live here in Dade City my entire life and um

457
02:09:24.320 --> 02:09:40.079
really enjoy my citizens and want the best for them. This is good for our citizens in Pasco County. You are a part of my district and my office is open to you. If you need me, just give me a call. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Is that leading to a motion?

458
02:09:40.079 --> 02:09:56.719
>> Yeah. Is that your motion? >> Oh, yes. I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. Unanimously. Welcome to Pasco. Congratulations. [applause] All right. We'll get on for a picture and then we're going to break for lunch.

459
02:09:56.719 --> 02:11:32.920
By >> by the way, after after the offer, >> you want down Yes. >> It's clear.

Part: 2

1
00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:21.199
a lot of signups for data centers. Uh we are going to pull that item up. This is going to be the second hearing, but just for the all the sake of all the people that are here, rather than have you wait till the end, uh we're moving that up forward. So staff can present. >> 84. >> P84.

2
00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:46.079
>> P84. >> Do you want to know was >> proof? >> Yep. So P84 was advertised the Tampa Bay Times May 27th, 2026. >> All right, Amy Tall, Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. while

3
00:00:46.079 --> 00:01:02.160
we get the presentation loaded. Uh this is a county initiated ordinance to protect the county from any intrusion of uh the uh moratorum for development orders and building permit site plans for the relationship to data centers. And while we're pulling up the

4
00:01:02.160 --> 00:01:20.880
presentation, I'll go ahead and read the ordinance into record. It is so item P84 is PTE26-0777. It's an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners establishing [clears throat] a temporary moratorum on the submission and acceptance of applications for building

5
00:01:20.880 --> 00:01:37.439
permits, site plans, development orders, development agreements, special exception uses, conditional uses, reszonings, and comprehensive plan amendments related to data centers, largecale data centers, and other large load customers within unincorporated

6
00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:56.799
Pasco County. providing for authority, legislative findings of fact, temporary moratorum imposed, duration of temporary moratorum, severability, and an effective date. And I have Amanda here to do the presentation. >> Good afternoon, commissioners. Amanda

7
00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:15.680
Hill, Planning Development, Economic Growth. So, I'd just like to state for the record that additional public comments were received for this item and have been submitted to the clerk's office for the followup record. So, at the last public hearing for this

8
00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:33.120
item, we discussed briefly the data center moratoria um activity that was happening across the state and I just wanted to give you a brief update on that. So this updated map illustrates the 25 counties and two cities that are currently considering in the process of

9
00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:51.360
enacting or already enacted a moratorum regarding this matter. As a reminder regarding the applicability of the moratorum, the draft ordinance previously proposed to establish a 12-month moratorum during which the county would not accept any

10
00:02:51.360 --> 00:03:08.080
applications for data centers and other large load customers. The moratorium would not apply to server rooms or other computer rooms that typically house IT and network equipment and accessory or incidental uh data centers that are

11
00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:26.000
on site for the principal use. Now, if the board determines a public necessity, an existing development agreement or [snorts] a new one can be adopted for a non-large load data center, provided that the conditions imposed address at minimum the items

12
00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:44.400
listed on the screen. At the first public hearing for this item, the board directed staff to include e-waste as a category for the conditions to be addressed if such an agreement is amended or adopted. On June 16th, 2026, the board applied

13
00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:59.280
the pending ordinance doctrine to this ordinance. The public hearing for the proposed ordinance was first advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May 27th, 2026. As such, upon adoption and filing with the state, the moratorium will be

14
00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:17.680
retroactively applicable from May 27th, 2026. And a new wear clause has been included in the ordinance to reflect this decision by the board. PDE further contemplated the board and LPA discussions regarding the exemption of data centers that serve as an

15
00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:33.440
incidental use for this ordinance and based on additional research a proposed cap of 2.5 megawatts is established for the maximum power demand for an incidental use. This will help to ensure that the exemption is not abused or

16
00:04:33.440 --> 00:04:51.120
utilized in a way to circumvent the moratorum. Additional revisions were included to align the language used in section 3 applicability with the established terms that are currently defined within the land development code. Additionally, section five, duration of

17
00:04:51.120 --> 00:05:08.080
temporary moratorum, was revised to further clarify the board's ability to extend the moratorum based on a legislative determination if so desired. And this item comes to you with a recommendation for approval. and I'm here for any questions that you may

18
00:05:08.080 --> 00:05:22.560
have. >> Okay. So, this is a board initiated uh item that started back in May 27th. We had to have had two public hearings after we advertised it and had it brought before the board. After doing that, uh we did have

19
00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:38.160
>> three public hearings. Okay. >> Commission. >> Okay. So, two board of county commissions and a planning commission. Um the first one we did make some additions. Instead of being at I think 10 megawatts, we went down to uh 2.5. That's a big drop. E-waste was a conversation piece that come up. We did

20
00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:53.280
add that in there. Other than that, it's fully intact to what we had looked at proposed and I think you guys did a great job in speed getting it forward and then in and the complexity. I think what you've isolated is this moratorum is rock solid for us. So we don't have to worry about any data centers for a

21
00:05:53.280 --> 00:06:10.080
year. Um at the last meeting there was conversation and I think you're going to find everybody supports what we're doing here from the board. Um, so I've got a lot of public comment. The reason I I move this item up forward because we've got a lot of business. We have two major items we didn't even get to this morning

22
00:06:10.080 --> 00:06:27.680
because of time resolutions and and our lobbyists can really talk. Um, so that slowed us down. So we got a lot of items to go through. So I brought this forward and again it's important to us that we get this right and I think we've got it right and I think you're going to find full support. Um, and to make it easy

23
00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:43.600
for the board, I'm going to just ask the board. Do any board members have any uh questions or for the staff that you want to discuss further? You think we all have it in place? >> Everybody's good. >> Okay. So, for the public to speak, [snorts] that pretty much tells you this

24
00:06:43.600 --> 00:07:00.080
is going to get approved. Not big forecaster, but it looks pretty good from what I can see. If you support what we're doing, you really want to speak, if you want to just say like the state does, I wave in support. You'll save time. Otherwise, you'll have your three minutes to talk, but we really want to get through the rest of our business.

25
00:07:00.080 --> 00:07:16.240
But I do want to take care of this to let you know how important it is. We are moving it right up. So, if you really need to speak, so be it. If you can pass on that, you'll let us get the rest of the work done, which is quite a bit today. So, is anyone here would like to speak that has signed up? >> All right.

26
00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:32.240
>> Okay. >> Do you want me to call the names the opportunity? Okay. Well, maybe not everyone will come up. Why don't just take the ones that raise their hands? Well, they can they can wave in support if they're if they're >> when I call their name. >> When they call their name, if that's what they wish to do. Otherwise, they

27
00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:52.479
can speak to you. >> Okay. So, the first one I believe is for P84. It doesn't say Cindy Scarta. >> Thank you for uh letting me speak today. I appreciate your time and your consideration. We all know how important this >> Miss Scarta, can you give your name and

28
00:07:52.479 --> 00:08:08.080
address for the record? I apologize. >> My name is Cindy Scarta. I'm at 29157 Cochi Lake Drive, San Antonio. I'm here on behalf of myself as a concerned citizen. >> Okay. Go ahead. Thank you. >> So, I appreciate you taking the time to listen to all your constituents about

29
00:08:08.080 --> 00:08:25.120
this big item. It's very important. Florida's very unique in its aquifer and it's very permeable because of its limestone base. So it's different than any other state in the country. I think we have enough data centers as people have talked about and I appreciate your

30
00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:42.479
moratorum consideration, but I also think that maybe we need a permanent ban. There are two other counties in the state that have moved to make a permanent ban on these data centers uh the large scale. So I appreciate your amendments and what your recommendations are from your staff and uh just want to

31
00:08:42.479 --> 00:08:58.160
take the time. There was a big headline here recently. Rep. H Harriet Hagman from Wyoming demands answers after Mark Zuckerberg's 800 million meta data center caught contaminating Wyoming's waste water. Um it forced the city to

32
00:08:58.160 --> 00:09:12.959
shut down its reclaimed wastewater system for months and it was because of bacterial contamination in the facility's closed loop cooling system, a technology that is marketed as being a solution to high data center water

33
00:09:12.959 --> 00:09:28.560
consumption rates. So there is a big risk of contamination to our groundwater and I just wanted to bring that to your attention. Thank you very much for time. >> And those who want to bring in other information, we're going to look at this for a whole year through this whole year. If you have data or stories that

34
00:09:28.560 --> 00:09:43.600
come up that you want to share with us, staff will take a look at it. They'll be part of the record. We're going to look at all of it. So if you would want to just make that to submit it to us, we can submit that to you at any time. >> Well, thank you. I have other stuff, too. But >> okay, send it all to us. We'll take it and we'll put it in the record. We'll take a look at it and we're going to

35
00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:59.839
bring it back again as we go further with this. So again, all the information you got, if you just want to submit it, we can submit it and look at it. >> I appreciate that. Thank you very much, >> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. >> I just wanted the county attorney to talk about the process about permanent bans.

36
00:09:59.839 --> 00:10:14.240
>> Yeah. >> So, Mr. Chairman, I'll be happy to. The the purpose of a moratorum is to do an analysis to see what restrictions would be necessary to permit a data center or

37
00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:31.120
if there are no if there there are no if it can't be adequately protected through your regulations to allow then you may be able to consider a a that is not an appropriate use to be

38
00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:46.880
housed in in Pasco County. But without doing that initial analysis during a moratorum, that's I mean that's why a moratorum is done is to is to allow the county the time to do

39
00:10:46.880 --> 00:11:02.640
the evaluation and to implement regulations whatever they may be um during that one-year period. Um that's that is the legal use of a moratorum. Okay. Again, thank you for letting me

40
00:11:02.640 --> 00:11:21.760
speak. All right. Thank you. >> Okay. The next individual is Jeff Roberts. >> Thank you for giving me a few moments. My name is Jeff Roberts. I'm a 6036 Japanica court, Newport Rescue, Florida. Uh I'm coming here as a retired United States Central Command portfolio

41
00:11:21.760 --> 00:11:38.880
manager. So I have some experience in this. I started back working with NASA and everything on the other. You just >> I started working back with NASA and everything at the other coast. I'm used to speaking about I'm going to shorten mine up to already say that we currently have 100 data centers currently operational in the state of Florida.

42
00:11:38.880 --> 00:11:53.920
These are of different size and scope and scale. There are 12,000 active data data centers in the world and this already serves 95% of the users with no issues. Um, what I would say with based on the ordinance, um, again, it's my

43
00:11:53.920 --> 00:12:10.480
humble opinion that right now what we are experiencing is when you get the the Revco, Rexol, Kmart, all of those different corporations and companies fighting to see who's the best, there are over 1,000 large language models out there right now. Some of them are big,

44
00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:27.519
generic like Chad GPT and Grock. Some of them are little and specific like something that Moffett would use. um they're all in a fight to see who's going to get the ground. That's what we're experiencing here. And personally, I don't think that fight's going to be over for the next year. It's going to be three to five. So until they do that,

45
00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:43.200
that fight of who's going to win that capitalist thing, you need to hold off. And with that then it would be my humble opinion that due the size scope and scale of our current population we will need some kind of a data center whether it be Pulk County Pasco or whatever to

46
00:12:43.200 --> 00:13:00.480
both do Orlando and the Tampa region. I don't know where that's going to fall geopysically but there will need to be one on this side for hyperscaling. And when I say the hyperscaling people use it to buy space. Think about the average person doesn't need to buy a crane. the

47
00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:15.200
average person rents a crane. So that's what's going to be happening at these hyperscaled spaces. So you don't need to have one for every last little thing that's going to be doing on it. They buy time and space on there. Um, one thing that I'm unclear about the exact details

48
00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:33.279
of the um, the cutout for the it is we do need to make sure that with those um, provisions that the major developments that are going on in our area have the ability to put in um, the houses that aren't really a house, the T1, what used

49
00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:48.000
to be a T1 node, the fiber optic nodes and other things like that in those areas and those don't take up any more power than a normal house would. about an 18,800 foot house. So allowing for that to go in there to hypers scale the transmission of the

50
00:13:48.000 --> 00:14:03.440
data is going to be critical for the buildouts. So that's it. I >> do you have that written down? >> I have all of this. I I've put it in I submitted it to the other thing with a lot more, but I'm cutting it out because

51
00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:19.920
it's it's unnecessary. But that kind of data is out there. And if you if anybody has any other questions on the thing that it's the dealing with the terminology that we need to talk about versus dealing with the fear and the factors like >> I've been in a few different data

52
00:14:19.920 --> 00:14:35.360
centers. I'm sorry I'm over my time. None of them have used water for it. The water that's been in there has been in toilets and sewers and like for the people. It's an ineffective cooling thing. You're going to use air conditioning type of systems. you're

53
00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:52.480
going to use ethylene glycol and some combination of those kind of things for closed loop cooling systems when you're talking about massive scale. Now, I would also say that we need to focus on making these places use solar. >> Thank you, sir. >> Back up. So, thank you.

54
00:14:52.480 --> 00:15:10.240
>> All right. The next individual signed up is Christy Zimmer. >> Hello, Christy Zimmer, 3615 Pine Court, Land Lakes. Thank you so much for all the work you guys have done to get it this far. Very much appreciated. Um I do

55
00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:26.240
have a concern if this covers the young man that was at the different meetings pumping his data center that he was going to be building without having to reszone it out at I75 and 52. He's not considered a mega or large. And he was

56
00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:42.160
talking about 19.9 megawatts which is under this allowable 2.5. And he was also talking about 350 million gallons of water and then this possible recooling system which will involve all the chemicals involved. Is this preventing him from being able to

57
00:15:42.160 --> 00:15:58.240
move forward and build his data center? And is there a way when you're in your planning that we can uh limit the type of users of these data centers? Because what they're doing is they're building a base then they have

58
00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:15.120
these buyers who come in and buy their space. for the data processing. If we can eliminate any and all ELPRs from being able to utilize those data centers, that would be a good thing to do when you're in that process of trying to create some guidelines.

59
00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:32.959
Please let me know if that eliminates him or not. >> I believe it does. >> Yeah. >> David Engel, planning and economic development director. It does, sir. The proposal over at Double Branch is inside of this moratorum and cannot proceed.

60
00:16:32.959 --> 00:16:52.000
>> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. >> Please, please, [applause] please don't clap. Thank you. >> The next individual signed up is David Hammond. >> And who's after David? >> And then Michael Ptoic after that.

61
00:16:52.000 --> 00:17:07.439
>> Good afternoon. [clears throat] My name is Dave Hammond. address is 300034 Vienna Woods Lane in Wesley Chapel. I'd just like to start saying as a Pasco County resident, I'm very interested in hearing that this moratorum is more than

62
00:17:07.439 --> 00:17:25.760
likely going to pass today. Um I did watch the June 16th meeting and I was very concerned um with the apparent lack of basic understanding of what the data center is, especially the ones that we're talking about here. and how we might

63
00:17:25.760 --> 00:17:44.000
need to define our terms on on blocking them or creating the moratorum for them. But I'm relieved to understand that you've um you apparently have done that homework and you seem to know although I think the general public still does not. And uh the term I think we all need to

64
00:17:44.000 --> 00:18:00.799
become familiar with as was just mentioned is hypers scale. And those are certainly the data centers that we would all be concerned with. As was previously mentioned through from my own little investigation, I found that there are more or less 120 the number that I heard

65
00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:17.360
data centers in operation in Florida already. 24 of them in Hillsboro County alone. That's you know 20% of all of the data centers in the in the state. And there isn't that big concern about those simply because they are primarily what

66
00:18:17.360 --> 00:18:34.640
are called enterprise collocation telecom edge. They are small facilities. One of them is sitting in downtown Tampa and uh they they are taking care of our day-to-day business. When you pick up your phone, when you log onto your

67
00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:50.880
computer, when you post out on Facebook, these are all primarily being done by these smaller ones. The hypers scale ones, however, are the ones that are going to be um they're going to need to be built.

68
00:18:50.880 --> 00:19:05.760
I just don't believe they necessarily need to be built here. I'm not sure if I understood what a previous statement about where they might be located. Orlando, you know, somewhere around Tampa, maybe in the Miami area, Jacksonville, who knows? But I don't

69
00:19:05.760 --> 00:19:23.200
think they need to be here. And um I appreciate uh you're taking the time to to agree and put this moratorium in place. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Michael Povvic or >> it is. >> Okay.

70
00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:43.840
>> And then after that it is unclear. R TL. >> Okay. She knows who she is. Great. Okay. Michael Ptoic, my address [clears throat] is protected and I am a candidate for House District 54, by the way.

71
00:19:43.840 --> 00:19:58.640
>> No, not an advertising platform, sir. >> Sorry. >> Not an advertising platform. >> Yeah. Oh, my apologies. This gentleman from NASA just proved our point. Okay. The data centers that we may need can fit into 1,800 square feet.

72
00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:16.720
>> These are not 150,000 square foot facilities that we need here. They pro they actually create their own security risks because we don't know who's inside of it or which China infiltrated companies and platforms are inside of those data centers. You heard from a

73
00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:33.200
young lady that worked for the government before that Google and Meta and Amazon, they don't need these hypers scale locations, but our tax dollars are being used to incentivize those to still come here right now. If a data center wants to come here, let them build a del

74
00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:48.799
plant so they're not using our aquifer. When they say they can use toilet water, we found out in the planning commission meeting with the engineers that they're talking about using reclaimed water. We don't have enough reclaimed water for us as it is. Even reclaimed water users are

75
00:20:48.799 --> 00:21:05.520
on restrictions right now. But there was a question asked in the last meeting that really got me thinking and it was about and I didn't pose the question but they asked if any of you had signed non-disclosure agreements and it got me thinking and here's the reason why. I

76
00:21:05.520 --> 00:21:20.400
believe in transparency and accountability from the government at all levels. Okay. There was a bill that went through the Senate this session, 484, Senate Bill 484, and it would have banned non-disclosure agreements between

77
00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:36.720
government officials and the data center developers. When it went to the House, that language was taken out before it was allowed to pass and go back to the Senate. So, they protected non-disclosure agreements at the state level. That's an issue. That is a

78
00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:53.360
transparency issue. That is a problem. >> We're in the county, sir. I'm sorry. >> We're in the county. We're not a We're not the state. >> I understand. But I'm >> We got different requirements. We have to disclose if we have a conflict. >> I understand. But here's what my request is. Is at a county level when we're

79
00:21:53.360 --> 00:22:09.919
talking about the forever bill, the for the forever verbiage that you're going to use. We would ask for the sake of transparency and accountability at a county level for you not to allow any non-disclosure agreements between

80
00:22:09.919 --> 00:22:25.520
government and elected officials in these data centers. If it's a homeland security issue, NDAs not a question, but that's security. >> Sir, we are bound for non-disclo to have to disclose any conflicts of interest. That would be that. So, we don't have

81
00:22:25.520 --> 00:22:41.360
So, it's already in it's in law. It's in law. >> Awesome. Fantastic. We thank you for this moratorum. It's going to help out a lot because we want to see you get it done the right way. So we thank you for that. Okay. We do. We appreciate everything you guys

82
00:22:41.360 --> 00:22:56.720
do. >> Thank you for doing this. [clears throat] >> Okay. >> Could I get a motion? Uh Mr. Hammond, who has spoke before, wants to receive and file those documents that he talked about. >> Move to receive file. Second. >> All in favor say I.

83
00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:13.440
>> I. Okay. >> Okay. Also, >> your name and address for the record, please. >> Rebecca Teft, N um 6155 Missouri Avenue, Newport Richie, Florida. Um I spoke at the last meeting. I left there feeling

84
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:29.200
very optimistic that you guys were actually listening to what everybody had to say. So, thank you for your attention and conscientiousness about that. So actually what I wrote to today was about things to consider

85
00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:45.039
doing for the moratorum, some regulations and rules to look at. I copied a man out of Kentucky called Peter Lynch and a legislation he wrote for his area. Before I read that, I do want to mention that if we think that we

86
00:23:45.039 --> 00:24:02.159
need more data, AI is a whole different animal which is quite frightening and you all probably aware of that. But if we need the science and medicine, they can be built on already impermeable grounds such as universities or

87
00:24:02.159 --> 00:24:18.400
hospitals and serve that science and medicine need directly without taking our cherished and fragile ecosystem that we have left in Florida. We really don't have that much left. These planning and zoning people are covering up all of our

88
00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:36.880
green stuff. So, sorry about that. And one other thing, this this employment center in Brooksville, um that's for reasonzoning. I looked up the company and say, "What does this company do?" And it's private and they were having a

89
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:54.159
reasoning for this farmland for a company who doesn't even tell you who they are or what they do. It felt AI data center sneaky stuff to me. All right, there's my rant. So, Peter Lynch in Kentucky

90
00:24:54.159 --> 00:25:11.279
um presented legislation that there's a three-year moratorum to look at AI data centers. There are 200 nonoperating centers already in the United States because technology advanced beyond the size of the center. So rather than

91
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:28.480
refurbish it, build it up, they went and built a bigger one somewhere else. So three years is really uh we may find in five years we don't even need these mega structures particularly if they get quantum computing combined with AI quantum doesn't require data or generate

92
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:46.000
all that heat um no NDAs you already talked about that ban all above 5,000 square feet restrict max utility connection to a peak of five megawws you two and a half

93
00:25:46.000 --> 00:26:03.520
today create distinct industrial subclassifications to limit the sound that comes out of these at three dB or less at property lines. So a limit of how far your your infrastructure sound goes as well as

94
00:26:03.520 --> 00:26:20.320
your audible sounds require DX cooling and cell power which has to be generated onsite. Okay. If you'd like to receive, we can receive and file that if you'd like and then we'll have it in the record. >> Would Would you like us to receive and

95
00:26:20.320 --> 00:26:36.960
file that so we can put it in the record? >> Would that be okay? >> Okay. Motion. >> Second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Not part of the record. >> Okay. The next person who has signed up is Margaret St. James followed by

96
00:26:36.960 --> 00:27:02.080
Chris Shaver. Uh, good afternoon. My name is Margaret St. James. I live at 372022 Sandra Avenue in Zephr Hills. I agree with uh most of what the previous speakers have stated, so

97
00:27:02.080 --> 00:27:19.080
there's no sense going over that. Um, as I understand it, the mor the moratorum is only um scheduled to be for one year. Um, that would give some time to gather, maybe enough time to gather information.

98
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:36.000
While we don't want to talk politics, we have to admit that this is an election year and that some decisions may be made this year during an election season. Even though not everyone is up for reelection, but some are decisions may

99
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:51.200
be made this year that there is less pressure to make next year, which I think is one reason that some people want an extended moratorum and not just during this election year. And while we're talking about moratoriums because

100
00:27:51.200 --> 00:28:07.600
of impacts on uh the community uh the c uh commission might want to think about moratoriums on development which also impacts the communities >> not legal >> especially especially in terms of water and some of

101
00:28:07.600 --> 00:28:24.200
these other concerns. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Schaefer >> or who's next? >> Uh, after it it's Angel Fletcher Chem Chem.

102
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:40.880
>> Hi, my name is Chris Shaver. I live at 37707 Pure Waterway, Upper Hills, Florida. On average, Florida springs have lost between 30 to 50% of their historical flow. Why?

103
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:56.880
We know why. Zephr Hills is pumping out a bunch for their bottling plant of our water. Who's approving this? It's not me. It's you. I'm wondering why that in the few years that I've lived here, which is close to

104
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:13.360
20, I have seen dramatic change in the smell of the water, and the way the water interacts with anything I add to it. Why? Because people have approved things that are affecting us every day.

105
00:29:13.360 --> 00:29:28.399
I went to the Itchy Itchy Springs to go tubing with my daughter from Michigan. It was down over six feet. Six feet 30 to 60,000 gallons a day are not going

106
00:29:28.399 --> 00:29:45.919
back into our aquifer. Why? Because it was voted in. Nobody has any agenda, but we'll build a new house. We'll put in a lagoon, and that's okay. We don't care, [cough] right? We don't care that my child and

107
00:29:45.919 --> 00:30:01.039
their children are not going to have fresh water. But we will build another housing development and tear down the old housing, change that agricultural land into a housing development that people come in and buy up and rent at

108
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:16.159
outrageous costs. Our senior citizens are being taken out of the area because conglomerates are coming down and buying the land and upping their rent so they can take over that long land. They have the long game. Do you have the long

109
00:30:16.159 --> 00:30:34.720
game? We need that long game to survive in Florida. You're having everybody move here because we don't have a state tax. We have beautiful land. We have affordable which is outpricing all of us who live here now on a fixed income.

110
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:50.480
You are the ones who have to decide if that's worth saving. >> Please don't clap. [applause] Please don't clap. >> Name and address for the record. >> Good afternoon. My name is Anel Fletcher

111
00:30:50.480 --> 00:31:05.919
Camuli and my address is 12350 US Highway 41. And I'll make this very brief. My family has a farm close to the the corner of 41 and 52 and um we are in

112
00:31:05.919 --> 00:31:23.200
talks about possibly selling it. That being said, I did have a realtor broker recently approach me very aggressively, almost demanding that I do more than consider selling his outfit, our farm

113
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:39.760
for the explicit use of an AI data center. Why? because he said it was perfect location because of Moffett because of the airport that's closed us because of the other infrastructures that are being developed in our immediate area and that an AI data center would be a pivot point for the

114
00:31:39.760 --> 00:31:56.640
uses of those infrastructures. The demand is going to be there and it would be the right thing for me to do as a citizen and a land owner to consider allowing our farm to be used to that point. to which I met his aggressive yes

115
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:13.440
with an extremely emphatic no. So I am very very happy to hear that we are now looking at having at least a one-year moratorum. Um, as a land owner and as a Pasco County citizen, I would have very

116
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:30.960
much appreciate a consideration of three to fiveyear moratorum for this because if I as a single entity, my uncle and I are being that aggressively approached and pressured by local realtor developers, realtor brokers and developers for our

117
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:48.080
land because it is it's 100 acres combined, continuous land to be used to this point. I don't think that we're safe with a mere one-year moratorum. So, I would appreciate a consideration of much longer than that, even despite

118
00:32:48.080 --> 00:33:04.080
the fact that this is a um this is this is y'all's year. Um potential turnover, potential new board of commission. Um I think that that should be something that is taken into stronger consideration than just one year. >> Thank you very much,

119
00:33:04.080 --> 00:33:20.240
>> Commissioner Mariana. Uh I just want to make sure everyone knows by law one year is our our our limit. >> The Supreme Court has set a reasonable time period. One year is is what they have previously said. If there are

120
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:37.200
reasons to go beyond that year, we've always advised the commission that they can go in incremental steps beyond that year. Usually it's another six months to finish up regulations. But no a three to fiveyear moratorum is not uh legal under

121
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:53.039
federal law. >> So after this year as it comes to the end if we think we need more time we can look to extend. >> Thank you extended. One other thing that I did forget to mention um other areas that have these data centers that has already been established that um they are they are seeing in certain animals

122
00:33:53.039 --> 00:34:09.119
um effects of what is called the Havana syndrome. I don't know if that is a topic that has been discussed yet or if that's what you're going to be taking the year to talk about, but I do want to go on record saying that that is already an established problem in other areas where the AI data centers are it's

123
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:25.040
affecting the livestock. I have a farm, so I literally have cows and pigs. >> We did talk about wildlife etc. But if you want to submit that in an email, >> sure would be fine. >> I'd be happy to do that. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> sir. That's all who signed up in person. And there is someone online but if you want to take any. >> Okay. >> Anyone else in the audience would like

124
00:34:25.040 --> 00:34:42.079
to speak about the data centers. >> Okay. We'll close it inside online. >> We got hands. >> Oh, okay. >> You can give your name and address before you start. >> Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> I'm trying to make sure because I'm a

125
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:58.400
bit quiet. Sorry. Um Emerson Martin, 9330 Creedmore Lane, Newport Richie, Florida. Um, good afternoon, commissioners. Today, you will make a decision, and I trust in your intelligence to make the right one. Thus, we'll commence the next

126
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:14.720
12 months of you reviewing research. Last time I spoke to you all, I gave you some information on the personal accounts of those that live near data centers. Now, I would like to give you a head start with some peer-reviewed information from health implications of the rapid rise of data centers in Virginia, an exploratory assessment, my

127
00:35:14.720 --> 00:35:31.839
negore, Lewis Ortiz, and Dr. Edward Maybach of George Mason University. They first explained that gas and particle pollution from these centers can be linked to respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, various cancers, neurological disorders, and conditions such as stroke, dementia,

128
00:35:31.839 --> 00:35:48.079
diabetes, and childhood asthma. They also call attention to the likelihood of power outages being especially dangerous during times of severe weather like heat waves. The dangers of heat are all too familiar to us here in Pasco. They then site for water. A medium-sized

129
00:35:48.079 --> 00:36:04.800
data center 15 megawws consumes as much water as three hospitals. This water is then polluted which leads to contamination in groundwater supplies. These increase the risks of water scarcity, waterborne diseases and poor maternal health and infant outcomes. And

130
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:20.560
yes, noise pollution is a real thing. The health impacts of noise pollution include long-term risks such as heart disease, permanent hearing loss, tenitis, chronic effects such as hypertension, and endocrine disruption. They also lead to psychological issues

131
00:36:20.560 --> 00:36:36.400
such as increased stress related disorders and agitation as well as impact the cognitive development of children. My main concern is these centers for generative AI because that is what they are being built for and surveillance. We have Facebook and email for years before

132
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:51.599
the AI that we know today. I think that anyone will tell you I think anyone will that will tell you that this AI has been around for as long as we can remember is forgetting that part. You are going to hear many people say that

133
00:36:51.599 --> 00:37:07.119
generative AI is inevitable, but it is not. We all are we sorry we are all participants in this ecosystem and we all have choices to make in it. We all have power and you have much more power than we do and we entrust this power in you. I understand that you cannot

134
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:23.839
outright ban data centers due to state laws but you can certainly heavily regulate them even to an extent that would make their existence nearly impossible. I hope that at the end of these 12 months if you still decide to not regulate that you really do sit with yourself and consider who does and who does not deserve to live a happy and

135
00:37:23.839 --> 00:37:42.240
healthy life. Some people say, "Not in my backyard." Well, then in whose Which people do we sacrifice for the health? Which people do we sacrifice the health for of the sake of the ugliest of graphic designs, brain rot, surveillance, misinformation,

136
00:37:42.240 --> 00:37:57.839
and millions of dollars lining the pockets of those who will never have to decide between their utility bills and having to get that cough checked out. All right. Thank you so much. >> Okay. Thank you. And if you would like to send that by email, whatever, we can put that in the record, too, for you. Thank you. Anyone else in the audience

137
00:37:57.839 --> 00:38:21.359
would like to speak? Anyone else please come forward? Line up behind each other. >> So, these two will be the last for public comment, then we'll go to the one online. >> Okay. >> Hi. Um, my legal name is Gabriel

138
00:38:21.359 --> 00:38:37.599
Quigley, but I prefer Marion, but I'm just gonna go and I'm gonna say >> Can you give your address for the record? >> Yeah. Can I add that to the record? M A R I A >> No, no. Address for the record. >> Oh, sorry. >> That's okay. >> 17595 James Road, Dade City. >> All right. Thank you.

139
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:53.440
>> Okay. So, this is an election year, and I'm not here to threaten y'all's jobs. I think you guys have been more than amicable with providing a one-year moratorum and you even said this is going to pass. You seem very confident

140
00:38:53.440 --> 00:39:09.512
this is going to pass. But I would like to say that you guys need to be thinking about the long game here because once y'all's time is up, if you decide to keep running for elected office, there will still be a community that lives here. And we

141
00:39:09.512 --> 00:39:24.640
[clears throat] need to decide if that community is going to belong to flock, hyper surveillance systems, Meta, Amazon, Tesla, data centers, or the people that live here, the farmers and

142
00:39:24.640 --> 00:39:40.720
the ranchers and the kids who go to school and the parents who want good lives for their children. Retailers, land brokers, and developers in this state are out of control. They are out

143
00:39:40.720 --> 00:39:57.520
of control. They are in a race to the bottom to divvy up as much land in Florida as possible. And if nothing changes, by the year 2070, 70% of this state will be paved over. And at that point, who is going to want to live

144
00:39:57.520 --> 00:40:16.400
here? We are just going to be red California. That's all. Thank you guys. Have a great day. >> Thank you. >> Hello, my name is Britney Box. I live at um uh sorry 3484

145
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:34.480
no 8434 Trinity, Florida. Um I just moved there recently from Tampa. And actually I discovered that I lived not very far from a data center when I lived in Tampa um here recently. and I have breast cancer. Um I did not have any

146
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:51.760
symptoms before I lived in that area. Um it it just I just found out after I had lived there for about four or five months. Um and we did not have adequate water filtration at the apartment complex I lived at. So I believe that could be a

147
00:40:51.760 --> 00:41:09.119
contributing factor as to why I've developed breast cancer. Um because I don't do not have it in my history of my family. Um, there's no one with breast cancer. Um, furthest back, probably great grandma is the the only one that had it. Um, they tested my genetics.

148
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:25.760
There was nothing in in my genetics that showed that I should have gotten breast cancer. Um, anyways, I know that that is one of the side effects from the contamination from data centers. Um, and I just wanted to put that on record. But

149
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:42.560
um also I believe our vi our rights are being violated by having these data centers in our communities and with the um advent of the the flock cameras and the um the potential um using these data

150
00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:58.000
centers to phase out regular workers and in the tech industry. Um my boyfriend also is a computer engineer which he is very fearful of the future when it comes to AI advancement and um I know I've

151
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:14.319
seen a a lot of interviews with um say Elon Musk talking about how eventually we won't have to work and there's going to be AI implementation all all over the place and we're we're not it's going to be like a hobby to work but and that

152
00:42:14.319 --> 00:42:27.520
we're going to get a um a basic income. um possibly. That to me sounds very scary. It sounds a little bit like communism and I think that is not a good

153
00:42:27.520 --> 00:42:45.119
step for our country. And also um um I don't believe that giving up our liberty for a little bit of safety is a good thing. Um just we really need to think before we

154
00:42:45.119 --> 00:43:04.160
allow AI to take over everything. And um it's just a very scary time for my generation. We don't know what's going to happen and we already can't afford anything. So

155
00:43:04.160 --> 00:43:21.520
if we are no longer able to work, what are we going to do? What are we going to do? >> And and that's all I have to say. Thank you. and he's online. >> You got one guy standing up here and

156
00:43:21.520 --> 00:43:35.040
>> don't know whether he's >> Are you Are you going to speak, sir? >> Speak. >> Last one. >> All right. Is there anyone else behind this gentleman because we're going to close it off firm? Okay. This will be the last speaker until the one person online. Go ahead, sir. Name and address for the record.

157
00:43:35.040 --> 00:43:51.839
>> Logan Larry, 12309 Eagle Chase Way. So, I recently was informed about the July 7th workshop for the county. I'm sure you all remember I I came across a section and forgive me if this is

158
00:43:51.839 --> 00:44:09.040
already on the agenda. I didn't have time to go through it all the way, but it relates to the current issue in the sense of AI. So I actually had questions uh the planning and permitting plans for the AI

159
00:44:09.040 --> 00:44:26.079
and for building and yeah building and permitting processes. I was just curious as to what that entails. >> It's not a question and answer. You got three minutes to talk. >> Okay. Um if anyone from the >> we're dealing with the data center issue

160
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:43.839
right now. >> I understand. Thank you. Okay. So, the individual who is online is Julia Bartunic. Julie, are you there? >> Yes. Hello, Julia Bartunic. Uh,

161
00:44:43.839 --> 00:45:00.720
Meadowwood Tribe. Uh, I'll keep this short, sweet, and simple. Wula and Jackson counties have established precedents for a total impermanent ban on data centers. And my hopes is through

162
00:45:00.720 --> 00:45:18.000
uh this moratorum that Pasco County can do the same and that stakeholders and the public are allowed full sunshine uh within this moratorum process. Thank you so much. >> Okay. >> Thank you. That'll close public comment

163
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:33.520
to the board. >> Move to approve. >> Second. All in favor of roll call vote. Okay. >> Yes. Thank you. It is a roll call vote. District one. Commissioner Oakley. >> I. >> District two. Commissioner Weightman. Hi. >> District three. Commissioner Starky. >> Hi. >> District four. Commissioner Joerger. >> Hi. >> District 5. Chairman Mariano.

164
00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:49.920
>> I. Passes unanimously. Thank you all. >> Please vote. [applause] >> All right. Item P80. Do we have proof? >> P80. You want 79 first? >> We going back to regular P79. >> All right. P79 was advertised in the

165
00:45:49.920 --> 00:46:10.480
Tampa Bay Times March 25th, 2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Good afternoon. Amy Tol with Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. Item P79 is PTE26-000033. It's an ordinance amending the Pasco

166
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:25.520
County Comprehensive Plan providing for a comprehensive plan text amendment to sub area policy flu 7.1.34 Palmetto Ridge, excuse me. [clears throat] and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for repealer,

167
00:46:25.520 --> 00:46:42.319
severability, and an effective date. This comes before you with as a continuence request to August 11th at 1:30 p.m. in Date City. >> You have a motion. >> Move to continue. >> Second. All in favor say I. I.

168
00:46:42.319 --> 00:46:59.040
>> Oppos. Okay. P80. >> All right. P80 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times March 4th, 2026. Item P80 is PDE26-0446. It's an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending

169
00:46:59.040 --> 00:47:14.640
the Pasco County Land Development Code. Amending section 530.5 parking or storage of recreational vehicles. Renaming section 530.5 parking or storage of recreational land vehicles and recreational watercraft. Amending

170
00:47:14.640 --> 00:47:31.680
section 1001 docks and seaw walls. Section 1001.4 visibility appendix A definitions and any other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into the land development code and an

171
00:47:31.680 --> 00:47:47.839
effective date. This compo comes before you as a continuence request to a date uncertain. >> Motion approve. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I oppose. Okay. Item P81. P81 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times July

172
00:47:47.839 --> 00:48:16.560
1st, 2026. There's somebody here from parks. >> This is a >> Where's Kathy? >> This is an amendment to the to the parks MSTU. Um there is a there the ordinance is being amended to add language uh which

173
00:48:16.560 --> 00:48:33.440
would allow it to be u allow it to be imposed in the incorporated areas of Pasco County. Um I'll wait for the fire engine to go by. Um and so

174
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:46.960
>> Jeff, I'll I'll >> we're adding it we're adding it to section two of the ordinance. Um the language and within incorporated areas subject to the consent of the appropriate municipality which is

175
00:48:46.960 --> 00:49:04.960
consistent with chapter 125 when a MSGU is optionally uh being created for cities to participate. Uh Mr. Carbala, did you have anything for >> No, no, you hit the nail on the head. This is just uh enabling language in the

176
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:21.119
ordinance to allow cities to participate. We would still work with them next year. Right now, the current consensus of the board appears to be to set a zero millillage. We'll discuss that at trim, of course, but we'll continue to work with the cities. Uh many of the cities that uh were considering it backed out right now just

177
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:36.400
due to the referendum in November and were wanted to be cautious on how their upper limits of millage looked. So I think adding it is perfectly acceptable at this point in time. It's something we had planned to do. Um it's just something it'll be one less thing that

178
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:58.640
we have to do next year. Does anyone would have questions? >> No. >> Anyone from the audience here to speak to item P81? >> There's no one online. >> No one online either. Okay. >> But one person can >> Christy Zimmer on record. I'm if I

179
00:49:58.640 --> 00:50:15.200
understand this correct, the you're creating an MSTU for the parks and recreation to be able to have the money that they need to operate on a regular basis instead of through the taxes that's going to possibly be eliminated by the bill on in November.

180
00:50:15.200 --> 00:50:30.960
>> No, it's the MSTU is already created. >> This would be affected by the state amendment as well. It's advalorum taxes. The only thing this amendment is doing is it's it allows it to be collected

181
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:48.000
within the cities if they opt in. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Move to approve. >> Second. Anyone else for public comment? Close public comment. We have a motion. >> It's a roll call vote. >> Roll call. >> District one. Commissioner Oakley.

182
00:50:48.000 --> 00:51:02.960
>> I. >> District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. >> Hi. >> District four, Commissioner Joerger. >> Hi. >> District five, Chairman Mariano. I motion pass 50. Item P82 to approve. >> P82 was advertised in the Tampa Bay

183
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:21.119
Times, April 1st, 2026, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> Good afternoon. Amy Tol, Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. Item P82 is PTE26-0356. It's an ordinance amending the Pasco

184
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:37.839
County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment text amendment to go flu 6 uh Pasadena Hills to amend tables PH2 VOP residential conversion chart and PH3 VOP residential

185
00:51:37.839 --> 00:51:54.960
conversion chart and a text amendment to GOL 6 land use classifications village M village mixuse 2 and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for a repealer severability and an effective date. This comes before you with a

186
00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:10.559
recommendation to adopt the proposed amendment by roll call vote. And we have staff here for a presentation if so desired. >> Right. Do we want a presentation? >> Okay. >> Well, did you say VOP? >> Yes, ma'am. >> What's this got to do with VOP?

187
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:26.800
>> Uh, it's a text amendment to village 2. >> Oh, I guess I'm on the wrong one. >> 82. >> Oh, yeah. Now I was on 83. >> Okay. Anyone here from the public to speak to item P82? >> There is no one signed up. >> No one online. No one here. >> Second.

188
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:42.800
>> It is a roll vote. District one. Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi. >> District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. >> Hi. >> District 4, Commissioner Joerger. >> Hi. >> District 5. Chairman Mariano. >> I. Motion passes 50. Item P83. P83 was advertised in Tampa Bay Times April 1st,

189
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:59.680
2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Item P83 is PDE 26-0410 or 0414, excuse me, an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan

190
00:52:59.680 --> 00:53:16.880
amendment to the future land use map. Map 2-15 and sheet five from res one residential one dwelling unit per gross acre res 3 residential three dwelling units per gross acre I industrial light con conservation lands and office of

191
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:33.280
office excuse me to PD plan development on approximately 1,219 acres of real property located on the west side of US highway 41 approximately 2.75 miles north of the intersection of state road 52 and US41 and a text amendment to sub

192
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:49.920
area policy flu 7.1.15 Mitchell US41 and an amendment to the future land use map 2-9 amending sub area map 2-915 Mitchell and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for

193
00:53:49.920 --> 00:54:06.720
repealer severability and an effective date this comes before you with the recommendation to adopt the proposed amendment by roll call vote Okay. Step on presentation. >> No. >> To the vote. No.

194
00:54:06.720 --> 00:54:22.520
>> Move [clears throat] to approve. >> I've worked. Still have a public hearing. >> Spent a lot of time working with these guys. >> Okay. Anyone here from the public? >> There's no one signed up. >> Somebody back here. >> You got one standing up. >> Okay.

195
00:54:25.520 --> 00:54:41.280
>> Mr. Chairman, as the applicants represented, I'll try to be very brief here. I know we have one objector. I'll just point this out for the record. Uh this is Clark KBY on behalf of the applicant, the Mitchell family entities, James and Dorothy Mitchell Limited, uh

196
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:56.400
and West Bay Homes, which is a contract purchaser. to make this a confusing matter. This project uh originally was approved with a change to RES3 and other comp plan designations in about 2010

197
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:13.359
before we had market areas and stuff like that. And it was during the DRRI area era and during the era where DCA was mandating a lot of the controls of land use in the county. >> Good old days. [laughter] And and what happened was we had to to

198
00:55:13.359 --> 00:55:29.200
get the the comp plan amendment done in 2010, we had to adopt some what I believe are kind of screwy policies that required things such as saying that 65% of the units had to be multifamily.

199
00:55:29.200 --> 00:55:44.160
So we have basically a minimum of 934 multifamily units on this project now. And it's a big beautiful ranch and that's not the right use here. And so while on and and I'd also point out that

200
00:55:44.160 --> 00:56:01.200
there are 890 acres of res 3 already that but for those crazy multif family policies would have already yielded 2670 units. The comp plan amendment before you today seeks 2100 as a companion to

201
00:56:01.200 --> 00:56:16.960
the MPUD, but there's a lot of other positive stuff that I'll discuss later in the hearing on the MPUD. But all we are doing is fixing the mess that Tallahassee created in 2010 on this plan amendment. That's it. >> Thank you.

202
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:35.599
>> Thank you. And do we have someone who wants to speak to item P83? There's somebody back there. >> Somebody if you're going to speak, please come forward. >> No. Okay. All right. >> Okay. To the board. >> Move approval. >> Second.

203
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:50.240
>> Roll call. >> All right. District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> I. >> District two, Commissioner Weightman. >> Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. >> I. >> District four, Commissioner Jerger. >> Hi. >> District five, Chairman Mariano. >> Hi. >> Okay. Item P85.

204
00:56:50.240 --> 00:57:08.880
>> All right. P85 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times June 24th, 2026. Item P85 is PDE26-0817, an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Code of Ordinances amending

205
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:25.280
chapter 46 fire prevention and protection article 4 opening open burning section 46-72 definitions amending section 46-73 prohibited acts and other sections as necessary for internal consist

206
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:40.160
consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for separability inclusion into the code of ordinances and an effective date. This comes before you with a recommendation to adopt by roll call vote and there's a presentation available if so desired.

207
00:57:40.160 --> 00:57:57.839
>> Chair Commission W. Thank you Amy. I just want to thank staff and the folks that reached out to us when um what led to this change was were the uh what's the the the lanterns the sky lanterns that are lit during ceremonies

208
00:57:57.839 --> 00:58:14.559
and flowed across and >> they were landing in people's on their houses and pastures and pool cages and what have you. So >> grateful for the work and the speediness of this. It's been a a couple months, but it's uh uh in light of the dry season that we've had and and this is

209
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:28.880
done multiple times a year. I I appreciate folks reaching out and and staff working diligently to amend this ordinance to protect people's uh property and and their homes. So, thank you. >> Thank you.

210
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:48.240
>> That Okay, roll call vote. >> Move approve. >> Is there anyone here from the public like to speak to item P85? She's raising her hand. >> Come forward, please. >> And is there anyone else after this lady?

211
00:58:48.240 --> 00:59:06.079
>> Okay. Sorry. >> Cindy Buckle, 5938 Frontier Drive, Zapper Hills, Florida. talking about the flames and the uh

212
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:24.160
I it brings me to all the pictures I see of the trees bulldozed down and huge flames coming from that. So what is the difference between those ashes and there are no hydrants where these trees are. There's no water where these trees are

213
00:59:24.160 --> 00:59:42.160
because I often go by these sites and I see it. So, I'm confused about somebody burning something in their backyard and landing on a pool cage when I had

214
00:59:42.160 --> 00:59:58.000
huge fires going on when it pulled down 27 trees at the beginning of my road on 54 Gateway. So, I'm confused about that because there was ash all over our neighborhood.

215
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:15.680
So what's the difference? So developers can burn without fire being there to protect them and without water being there because it's a site that they just bulldozed all the trees down. So that's my concern. I

216
01:00:15.680 --> 01:00:34.160
don't understand the difference because I live on property where I can burn and I have a hose. I am a retired firefighter paramedic, so I know how to put fires out. And I'm really confused

217
01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:49.680
about the hoopla about this being such a big deal when developers can do it just like they can pump water, but we're on water restrictions. And that's all I have to say.

218
01:00:49.680 --> 01:01:07.040
>> Thank you. >> All right. And no one else online. >> No one. No one else sign on to the board. Move approve. >> Second. >> Roll call vote. >> All right. District one. Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi. >> District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. >> Hi.

219
01:01:07.040 --> 01:01:24.480
>> District four, Commissioner Joerger. >> Hi. >> District 5, Chairman Mariano. >> I. >> Motion passes 5. >> Now proceed to the public hearings. Will the county attorney please review the procedures for reasonzoning? >> There are two reasonzoning agendas, regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the board of county

220
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:39.520
commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. If staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the

221
01:01:39.520 --> 01:01:54.880
application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative. and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing

222
01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:11.599
with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the reasonzoning may at this time request that the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that [laughter] application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all resoning

223
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:27.760
applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearings. The law is that in Florida that mere public support or opposition

224
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:43.359
of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code for reasonzoning. Madam clerk, would you like to swear in the public? >> Uh yes, sir. If anyone is going to speak

225
01:02:43.359 --> 01:03:02.400
to the following items, will you please stand and raise your right hand? >> Okay. Do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God? >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. We'll start with item P86 from the continuence. We approve. >> Yes. P86 was advertised in the Tampa Bay

226
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:20.000
Times March 25th, 2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Item P86, PDE26-7877 is a zoning amendment for substantial modification in the name of Palmetto Ridge MPU, Pomemetto Ridge Cattle

227
01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:35.039
Company LLC, EPG, Pomemetto Ridge Holding LLC. It's a resoning request from an MPUD master plan unit development district to MPD master plan unit development district to allow for the development of 2,800

228
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:50.720
2,800 residential dwelling units and 100,000 square ft of commercial uses with associated infrastructure on approximately 3,536 acres located in north central Pasco County on the north side of State Road

229
01:03:50.720 --> 01:04:06.480
52 approximately.5 miles east of the intersection of State Road 52 and Aaron Cutoff. This comes before you with a recommendation to [clears throat] continue the item to August 11th at 1:30 p.m. in Dane City. >> Have a motion. >> So move. >> Second.

230
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:20.559
>> All in favor say I. I. >> I. >> Okay. P87. >> P87 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times May 27th, 2026 and by affidavit as certified mailings and site postings.

231
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:39.200
Item P87 is PDE26-7904. It's a zoning amendment in the name of Ravilio Ranch MPU, Clearwater Capital Partners USA LLC. It's a resoning request from an AR agricultural district to an MPUD master plan unit development

232
01:04:39.200 --> 01:04:56.319
district to allow for the development of 45,000 square feet of an assoc of an assisted living facility, 5,000 square ft of office and one single family detached dwelling and associated infrastructure within the villages of Pasadena Hills in village B on

233
01:04:56.319 --> 01:05:12.400
approximately 7.66 66 acres located on the north side of Prospect Road approximately 1 half mile east of Curly Road. This comes before you with a recommendation to approve with conditions. >> Is there anyone in the audience in opposition to item P87?

234
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:27.440
>> Sir, there is someone signed up. >> No, someone signed up. Okay, pull that from consent. >> Item P88. Okay, so P88 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times April 1st, 2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site

235
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:46.079
postings. Item P88 is PTE2-01 uh 93. It's a development agreement in the name of Highland Homes Clayton Properties Group, Inc. to design, permit, and construct portion of Hidden Creek Boulevard in exchange for

236
01:05:46.079 --> 01:06:01.359
transportation development free credits in the villages of Pasadena Hills located on Hidden Creek Boulevard spanning from the intersection of Hidden Creek Boulevard and Island Boulevard to the northern terminus of Hidden Creek Boulevard. This comes before you with a

237
01:06:01.359 --> 01:06:18.400
recommendation to approve. >> Is there anyone here to speak against item P88? There was no one signed up. We'll keep that on consent. Item P89. >> P89 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times May 27th, 2026 and by affidavit of

238
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:33.599
certified mailings and site postings. >> Item P89 is a conditional use request in the name of St. Joe Road LLC and BB Araurism LLC. It's a conditional use permit to combine two previously

239
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:50.960
approved conditional use permits CU12-07 and CU19-01 into one unified conditional use permit for an amusement park in an AC agricultural district located in north central Pasco County approximately 840

240
01:06:50.960 --> 01:07:07.280
ft east of the intersection of State Road or I'm sorry uh St. Joe Road and Bellamy Brothers Boulevard containing approximately 118 acres. This comes before you with a recommendation to approve with conditions. >> So P9 is St. Joe Ranch LLC and BB Agra

241
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:23.280
tourism LLC. Is there anyone here speaking in opposition to that? >> And there is someone signed up. >> All right. Consent. >> Item P90. >> P90 was advertised in Tampa Bay Times May 27th, 2026 and by affidavit of

242
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:38.559
certified mailings and site postings. Item P90 is PDE26- I'm going to assume there's going to be a >> there are two people sign we're going to sign that we're just going to pull that >> they're companions. >> All right. So pull pull P90

243
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:56.720
>> 91 we're 91 >> and that is the end of the consent agenda. Now 91 >> 91 and >> you got 91 92 it looks like we have two more at least on this. >> Sorry. Sorry. All right. So P91 >> Oh me sorry. P91 [laughter]

244
01:07:56.720 --> 01:08:13.839
Tampa Bay uh advertised in Tampa Bay Times May 27, 2026. I apologize. >> Thank you. Uh P91 is PTE26-0706. It's a development agreement in the name of Kenton Road commercial development agreement, Kenton Road Commercial LLC. It's a development agreement for the

245
01:08:13.839 --> 01:08:30.400
Kenton Road commercial mpud to design, permit, and construct Kenton Road from Elim Road to Overpass Road as a two-lane road inclusive of intersection improvements in exchange for cash reimbursement within connected city located in central Pasco County. This item comes before you with a

246
01:08:30.400 --> 01:08:45.440
recommendation to approve. >> Okay. Anyone here to speak in opposition of P91? >> I I do have a question on this one. >> Pull it. >> Ask it right now. Go ahead. >> Um, since the orange belt trail is

247
01:08:45.440 --> 01:09:07.600
coming right beside this, what kind of driveways and uses are are happening here? I'm trying to remember what this one was that where the where we're protected or is it not right beside here? >> Uh, >> I don't know my map. I thought it was by

248
01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:23.120
Bellamy and >> this is way south. This is it. Overpass. No doesn't anywhere near this. >> That never. >> All right. So, we'll leave it on. Okay. We'll leave that on consent. >> No one signed up. >> I was thinking that was the uh Amazon building. >> Okay. All right. P92. Do we have proof?

249
01:09:23.120 --> 01:09:40.960
>> P92 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times May 27th, 2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> P92 is PTE26-7927. It's a zoning amendment in the name of 52 and Bellamy Investment Group LLC

250
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:56.960
Bellamy Parcel Reszoning. >> Did you? >> I did ask I did think I did ask for public comment, right? >> Public comment. No, for not on the one I believe so. >> All right. So, let me stop here. >> Did anyone here speak? Is anyone in opposition of P91? >> So, I did ask that she's okay.

251
01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:12.080
>> All right. No, we did we did cover that. Okay. >> Okay. P92. >> Okay. Um, so P92 is a change in zoning from an I1 light industrial park district to a C2 general commercial district located in central Pasco County at the southeast corner of the

252
01:10:12.080 --> 01:10:28.719
intersection of State Road 52 and Bellamy Brothers Boulevard containing approximately 1.51 acres. This one comes before you with a recommendation to approve. >> Okay. >> Okay. I think this is the one I I was on the wrong one. So I have that question

253
01:10:28.719 --> 01:10:47.040
on this. Let's see if there's public opposition while >> Is there any opposition to P92? >> Because >> and I think you're right in the in this area there is. >> Yeah, because they already constructed Belly with a sidewalk on the left side.

254
01:10:47.040 --> 01:11:04.480
So, the multi-use trail, there will be something on the east side. And where where is that? Where are we going from the west side of Bellamy, south of 52 to the east side of Bellamy

255
01:11:04.480 --> 01:11:19.600
before we cross 52? >> It looks it's way above it. >> No, you look at the map. >> Got to cross >> look at the map on the screen. >> All right, Bell Trail. >> No, no, we I wish we could go along the bottom, but right now we can't. One day I think we will, but right now we have

256
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:36.480
to go up Bellamy. And all those high school kids are going to have to cross 52 that are riding their bikes to school and scooters. Cross 52, go down 52, and cross 52 again to get on Old Pasco Road. But for now, we're going up Bellamy and

257
01:11:36.480 --> 01:11:53.600
crossing. So, how is that happening with this parcel? >> We're going up. So, let's pull this item and we'll we'll come back to it. So, stop and look at it while we wait for that. So, >> this is 92. >> All right. Can I have a motion for the rest of the consent agenda?

258
01:11:53.600 --> 01:12:27.679
>> So, move >> second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Okay. So, first one called >> 87. Good afternoon. Gavin Kobe plane development and economic growth. I think

259
01:12:27.679 --> 01:12:46.239
we're okay. So, it's a we're going to start with a zoning amendment reszoning from AC agricultural to MPD master plan unit development. And this is to develop uh 45,000 square ft or 64 beds of assisted living facility and the option for

260
01:12:46.239 --> 01:13:03.360
either 5,000 ft of office or a single single family detached resident. And this is located on the north side of Proic Road, approximately 1 half mile east of Curly Road. So, here's a location map within VOP. You can see it's within Village B

261
01:13:03.360 --> 01:13:27.280
located off of Prospect Road. Here is a site location map. Here's the current zoning map, which is AR. And then here is where it fits into the overall village B master plan. You can see it's going to be this parcel at the

262
01:13:27.280 --> 01:13:45.480
very bottom right here. So, this parcel was initially contemplated for residential development. Uh, but VOP does allow for commercial to be put into uh other areas outside the village center that are more neighborhood scale or uh community centered.

263
01:13:45.600 --> 01:14:01.199
So, here's the MPD master plan. Uh, you can see that there's a small designation right here uh as number two. This is where they can choose to either do that 5,000 square ft of office on the frontage or a single family detached residence. And the developer has to

264
01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:18.239
choose either or option prior to they prior to them submitting site plans to us. They have to write verbally which option they're going to choose. Um we also as staff negotiated a quarter acre for park space for the residents. Um we regul regulating this as commercial

265
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:35.360
development. They're not required to provide open space, but since it was an assisted living facility, we wanted to make sure that these residents would have access to green space and parks. >> That's important. >> So, they are requesting a couple variations. Uh first is from section

266
01:14:35.360 --> 01:14:51.920
905.2D5, uh site prime landscape buffering. We're going to have this uh everywhere as a type A. Again, this is in a residential area. It's going to be uh a residentially designed use the assisted living facility. It's intended to look

267
01:14:51.920 --> 01:15:07.920
like single family detached dwellings. We wanted to make sure that it was buffered from the other lower density residential, but we didn't want it to hinder the walkability in between parcels. Um same thing section 905.2D5 site perimeter landscape buffering and screening. This is to remove the

268
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:24.679
internal landscape buffers if they choose to do um the office development with the assisted living facility. Again, this is to promote walkability, make sure that we're not buffering uses that that are compatible with one another. Uh section 9016D1,

269
01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:40.960
a continuation of existing street pattern and street access to adjoin property. They're not going to be providing a northern access point uh to the northern parcel uh because there's an existing wetland and lake. And then last uh section 805.6 restrictions on postdevelopment wetlands and upland

270
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:56.640
buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels. And this is to not convey common areas to a community development district or property owners group. Uh this is going to be maintained under common ownership. So they're going to be the maintenance entity responsible for the wetlands and common areas and maintaining those.

271
01:15:56.640 --> 01:16:11.760
>> This comes over recommendation of approval from the villages of Passina Hills planning and policy committee and the planning and development economic growth department. >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions for staff? Mr. Wayman, >> you a betting man?

272
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:27.760
>> You can guess what question I'm about to ask. >> Are we following the village B plan? >> Well, no, that was close. That was >> live local. >> So, but that was part of it. That was a second one. Uh we have live local act provisions in here. >> Correct. That's true. And um so within

273
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:44.960
the structure of village B, just so we're on the record, this is in the spirit of fulfilling the structure of village B even with village B being wonied up the way that it is. >> Correct. Yes. So this is an assisted living facility. The village allows for some commercial development to come outside the village center. Uh

274
01:16:44.960 --> 01:17:00.800
specifically for a use like this assisted living facility. You don't necessarily want that in a necessarily really intense urban environment. This is more on the periphery so people can walk to and from um the multiple village centers that they're going to be having. >> And there's height restrictions on this product.

275
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:35.120
>> There is a maximum height. Yes. But I don't >> height off my head. >> You don't know the maximum height? >> Off the top of my head now. I can do some research for you real quick. >> So is it two stories, three stories? Just want to make sure we're not contradicting ourselves. Basim height of

276
01:17:35.120 --> 01:17:54.159
35 ft. >> So that's the same that be the height of a townhouse. So the neighboring properties would be with the feathering out of the map. If you go back to the color coordinated map, that would be the single family.

277
01:17:54.159 --> 01:18:10.960
It's in a brown, light brown, yellow. >> So you go from yellow to >> Yeah. So this is where the maximum of 10 dos per acre is up here. >> Yeah. 52. transitioning down here to two

278
01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:46.719
units per acre adjacent to it. >> The butt up to the wetland as well. So the yellow piece so that flows into so when it's transitioning down here what's the next village to the east you have a map >> so let's see so the the portion that's

279
01:18:46.719 --> 01:19:01.360
in the >> this is the what this is the transition zone what's the formal >> yeah so the lighter yellow is going to be the two per acre and then you can kind of see a little bit better here this is uh in the darker orang-ish color is going to be um the maximum five

280
01:19:01.360 --> 01:19:15.920
billions per breaker. >> Okay. >> So, it's a range of 0 to five for the orangeer area and then a a range of zero to two for the yellow area. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Okay. Have public comment. We have one person.

281
01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:37.280
>> Okay. Michaela Krauss. >> Michaela Krauss 35920 Praise unit 102 Zephra Hills Florida 33541. I have sworn. Good afternoon, commissioners. I am here today to strongly urge this board to pull this item from the consent

282
01:19:37.280 --> 01:19:53.760
agenda and deny the resoning request for the Rivero Ranch MPUD. This applicant is requesting a shift from AR to an intensive MPU to shoehorn a 45,000 square foot assisted living facility and

283
01:19:53.760 --> 01:20:10.320
a 5,000 square ft of office space into a mere 7.66 66 acres along the north side of Prospect Road. This massive institutional and commercial footprint is deeply inconsistent with the core vision of the Pasco County comprehensive

284
01:20:10.320 --> 01:20:27.840
plan. This firstly um is intensely fundamentally it just violates chapter 2 objective FLU2.1 which explicitly mandates the preservation of rural lifestyles and characters. Inserting this into the

285
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:45.120
seven small acre parcel just completely dismantles the progressive lowdensity transitional buffering that is supposed to protect East Pasco's heritage. Second, dropping a massive institutional structure and its necessary parking

286
01:20:45.120 --> 01:21:02.640
infrastructure on this parcel runs entirely um counter to policy FLU 2.1.5, the protection of existing topography. This policy strictly dictates that we limit topographic alterations to

287
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:18.080
maintain and protect the natural rolling vistas and scenic watershed viewheds of our landscape. You cannot construct on a facility on this scale on 7.6 6 acres

288
01:21:18.080 --> 01:21:33.760
without severely altering the natural contours, grading away our native elevations and destroying the viewshed this board legally is bound to protect. Furthermore, the local protection of our

289
01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:52.159
scenic vistas is backed by state intent under Florida state statute section 335.093 093 and Florida Administrative Code Rule 404-15.016. The state explicitly establishes

290
01:21:52.159 --> 01:22:10.159
frameworks to preserve and maintain these natural beautiful scenic roadways. Um, commissioners, your highest duty is to protect the integrity of your own master plan. Please deny the Reillo

291
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:27.679
Ranch MPUD resoning request. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> No clap. >> Yes. No, I didn't [clears throat] have the applicant come up. Would the applicant like to address? >> Make sure there's nobody else just so that we may. >> All right. So, let me just address >> if I could though before you go. Uh, is

292
01:22:27.679 --> 01:22:45.920
anyone else here from public comment for this item? >> All right. Okay. Please come forward. And is there anyone else online? >> There is no one signed up. Okay, >> thank you. >> Ava Larkin, 37814 Howard Avenue, Date

293
01:22:45.920 --> 01:23:02.239
City, Florida 33525. Um, I want to reiterate what actually she just said. We need to make uh we need to make it a priority that just because the uh Pasadena Hills planning committee has approved this does not necessarily mean that we need to approve

294
01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:19.280
it as county commissioners. Um, as we know, a lot of our Pasadena Hills uh, planning committee is comprised of people that have vested interests in these lands and have also had vested stakes in it. That being said, um, it does not it is not consistent with the

295
01:23:19.280 --> 01:23:34.719
uh, LLU and also with our um, with the um, master plan of this area in general. You guys, I just want you to think about what it is that you are voting on today. This is not just one unit. This is going

296
01:23:34.719 --> 01:23:50.560
to lead to creating uh a um a place where uh the the boundary the bounding lands are going to be able to um capitalize off of any kind of changes in the zoning that this one um property is

297
01:23:50.560 --> 01:24:06.080
going to have. Please keep in mind that every single thing that you vote on today is going to have a um sorry um it's going to have a domino effect um on any other surrounding properties in the areas in general. So when you open the

298
01:24:06.080 --> 01:24:23.360
door to this one, you're opening the door to future zoning uh changes and possibilities for future zoning changes to the lands that are surrounding it. Um, not to mention just the uh the general uh landscape of our community, which we definitely pride ourselves on

299
01:24:23.360 --> 01:24:40.080
having. So, always remember we're thinking of our our community first. Our community first. That's the most important thing we should be thinking about is our community first. Thank you.

300
01:24:40.080 --> 01:25:07.520
>> Thank you. And we'll close public comment to the applicant. A little bit out of order. Sorry about that. >> Can you give your name and address for the record? >> Yes. Good afternoon. My name is Margaret Perez with Landanda Sevens and Partners on behalf of the applicant. My address

301
01:25:07.520 --> 01:26:03.600
is 3810 North Boulevard, Tampa, Florida. Thank you. And I have been sworn Can I ask our staff a question real quick? >> Sure. >> So, um, looking on the map here, I see a parcel to the east of this one that's a

302
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:24.080
lighter brown and then there's a school site. Do we know what's going on between here and the school yet? that that parcel that's there. >> I hate to do this to you, Gina. Can you

303
01:26:24.080 --> 01:26:39.920
can you put the map back up? [snorts] >> Oh. Oh, it says same comments on here. >> Let's come back to it. Let's have the come up. Don't come back. >> Don't Yeah, don't stop her. I just >> took too long to asking a question in the space while they were loading her thing up, but >> this will give Kevin time to look it up.

304
01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:55.440
So um I think staff does a great job in their memo addressing the technical details of the MPD. So today I would like to share with you uh the planning considerations that will allow you to better understand who we are and the vision we are seeking to accomplish. Uh

305
01:26:55.440 --> 01:27:10.400
those considerations are the nature of Reilla Ranch, >> our community character, community benefits and comprehensive plan consistency. Ravilla Ranch is located along Prospect Road within Village B of the village of

306
01:27:10.400 --> 01:27:30.320
Pasadena Hills. The site sits just east of the connected city area and as illustrated almost all of our neighbors within Village B have already received their entitlements. The applicant operating as Silver Elite intends to create Reilla Ranch, a community of boutique luxury residential

307
01:27:30.320 --> 01:27:45.840
assisted living homes that seamlessly blend into the residential neighborhoods planned for the surrounding area. Silverly is a highquality family-owned and operated assisted living provider who has reimagined what senior living

308
01:27:45.840 --> 01:28:04.320
will look and feel like. There is also an option for inclusion of a single family home or a modest office within Rea Ranch. With only 16 residents per house, our caregiver resident ratio is unparalleled in the industry at 1:5 rather than a

309
01:28:04.320 --> 01:28:21.840
standard of 1 to 20. Our philosophy is centered around family and promoting independence with a strong focus on vibrant social events, enriching wellness programs, creative expression, and beautifully designed outdoor spaces to enhance the lifestyle of our residents. Our residents also have a

310
01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:42.880
nutritionist and a private chef. Next, I'd like to share with you the characteristics of our community. First, our homes have been specifically designed by our architects to mimic modern homes. Um, these are only one story, 35 ft

311
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:58.639
maximum, which is the building height that you'd see in a single family zoning district. Second, every detail has been considered, even down to our backyard patios and eyebrow driveways, which maintain the residential character and foster a neighborhood feel. Third, we ensure our residents will feel like

312
01:28:58.639 --> 01:29:13.760
they're on the ranch by designing our communities to optimize open space. Fourth, as a special addition to our community, we have incorporated a garden for our residents, which is the heart of our community. We have included the garden as a condition of approval.

313
01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:28.800
Fifth, our thoughtfully designed walkways promote a walkable lifestyle. Sixth, we have designed our community to optimize scenic views of the neighboring wetlands. And finally, in keeping with the VOP policies, we have avoided culde-sac design and embrace grid like a

314
01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:46.960
grid-like layout to prevent to provide interconnectivity to our neighbors. You can see our concept plan here on screen. Here are some photographs from our partners in Texas. This community opened last year. Shown here is our front door

315
01:29:46.960 --> 01:30:08.639
and exterior facades of our homes. Next, here are some interior photos. Shown here is the living room and dining area. These photos uh illustrate our library and kitchen. As you can see, these are high quality homes with extreme

316
01:30:08.639 --> 01:30:25.920
attention to detail. >> I love it. >> Recently, >> I live there. It just needs trees. >> Need some shade. So recently we've been collaborating with our architect to refine the facades and achieve a more modern aesthetic. Um

317
01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:45.600
I've included the renderings here to give you a look at the latest design concepts. Uh this is facade one. >> Here is facade two. >> Finally the use of the rear courtyard areas. Next, I will move on to the community

318
01:30:45.600 --> 01:31:01.920
benefits and uh I'll briefly touch upon the comprehensive plan consistency. >> Can I stop you just for a second? >> Yes. >> I don't know what the board thinks, but again, we got a bit in the agenda. This looks like a very less intensive product that anything I've seen that could actually go in that area. I just spent

319
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:19.719
about 10 days in a assisted living facility with my dad. The quality of what this is here is just like super high level. And for intensity, I I think can't think of anything less intensive that would probably be fit in that area. >> Chair, I'm not

320
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:37.440
I'm torn between on what's supposed to be at this stage in this village and what what this is. Um would you bind this plan? >> We'd be happy to do so.

321
01:31:37.440 --> 01:31:54.639
Uh if you look at back to the concepts that Gavin showed on on the design of VOP, this this doesn't really fit it in my opinion. >> All right. So, let me let let me let Yeah, let me let you continue then.

322
01:31:54.639 --> 01:32:10.400
We'll go on. >> I'm not saying So, I'm not saying that this is bad like >> what I'm saying is is it the the right product for this location within within VOP. That's what I'm getting at. >> Okay. I I just didn't know if there was going to be objection. If it wasn't, I was going to go on because it was on consent. So, go ahead and finish your

323
01:32:10.400 --> 01:32:28.480
presentation. Oh, sorry. >> I have a question on that. >> We'll get to that out, but let her finish. Sorry. >> Thank you. I'll be happy to touch upon your point, Commissioner Whiteman. >> So, Reala Ranch will provide a benefit to the community. And as Pasco County enters the democratic shift, often

324
01:32:28.480 --> 01:32:45.679
referred to as the silver tsunami, it faces a significant shortage of assisted living and memory care options. This gap in available options is projected to grow substantially over the next five years. The figures shown here highlight an urgent need for new developments to keep up with the unmet

325
01:32:45.679 --> 01:33:01.679
and growing demand for senior care in the region. There is a 700 bed shortage in Pasco County and a projected 1,800 bed shortage over the next 5 years. With our community product, Pasco County residents will have to travel without our community

326
01:33:01.679 --> 01:33:18.320
product. Pasco County residents will have to travel greater distances to be with their family members. As this area continues to grow in population, families want to be near their loved ones who are transitioning to assisted living. Reilla Ranch will be situated central to connected cities and village

327
01:33:18.320 --> 01:33:35.679
of Pasadena Hills, making it easier to keep families together. Here I have listed the comprehensive plan policies that were consistent with. Um after I'm finished speaking um if it's okay with the board, I will call my expert land planner, Bruce Landis, uh to

328
01:33:35.679 --> 01:33:54.080
detail those for you. Um so just to summarize, you know, we have recommendation of approval from the VOP planning commission and staff um has found this uh request to be consistent. Um, Commissioner Weightman, to your point about the location, um, I just

329
01:33:54.080 --> 01:34:14.480
want to go back here for you. Going in the wrong direction. Thank you. This product does not belong at the corner of Curly Road and State Road 52. Um, the character, our community is residential

330
01:34:14.480 --> 01:34:30.800
and neighbor uh, in nature and we want to be plugged into the residential neighborhoods. you know, people are driving their golf carts, they're walking in these areas. We want them to be able to walk from their home to go see grandma. Um, it's a high-end product. It just doesn't belong at a commercial intersection. Um, and the

331
01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:47.840
policies in VOP allow for non-residential uses to be outside of the village B centers. So, um, if you don't have any questions for me, I could call Bruce Landis up. >> Uh, Mr. Stark, >> I I am very confused by the map that's in my agenda packet. Maybe I'm just a

332
01:34:47.840 --> 01:35:05.280
confused person and where this is because when I'm looking online at the map here, it has a circle on St. Leo Commons. That's what's under this number. Um, so can can am I looking at the wrong

333
01:35:05.280 --> 01:35:21.920
thing? And there's the school parcel. I don't know. >> Are you on Prospect Road in that? >> Where? This is this is Butts Prospect Road. >> Well, what is this map? >> I think you're top left of the the picture that they had on the screen. >> Can you put up the map from the packet

334
01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:40.960
and just show me where it is on the >> It's down here. >> I know. So, why is this map here in our packet? >> Scroll up. It's down here. >> Keep scrolling right there. >> Oh, see? [laughter] >> Yeah. I might have been zoomed in too far. Okay. So, at the bottom of

335
01:35:40.960 --> 01:36:14.719
>> at the bottom >> village near village F, not near the school district, >> the school. >> Okay. On this map, can you show me where that's nowhere near? Oh, thank and look to where curly road is.

336
01:36:14.719 --> 01:36:31.679
>> Okay. So, is it to the one which one is it? That that which parcel is it? >> Move the arrow to the right >> where that says Prospect Road on >> to the right of the Prospect Road. Exactly. >> Right here. >> Yeah. That way. >> Okay. Right there. And what's coming to

337
01:36:31.679 --> 01:36:50.960
the left of that? Do we know yet or not yet? >> Yeah. >> To the left of that is going to be a single family detached um community. It's going to be 50 foot wide lots and I think there's about 200

338
01:36:50.960 --> 01:37:10.719
>> and across the street >> across the street I think it's just an existing residence at at this time but it is within another village. You know, I love the project, but those people aren't aren't going to be able to walk to anything,

339
01:37:10.719 --> 01:37:27.040
>> but someone who lives nearby. >> Assisted living, they don't pretty much stay in there. I mean, people may go to them, >> but a lot on premises. >> Is is it assisted living or active living? >> It's assisted living with >> memory care kind of stuff. >> Yes.

340
01:37:27.040 --> 01:37:42.080
>> I mean, some of the people go in, they don't come back out. It's going to be ambulances, fire trucks. >> No, I have family living in those. So, >> residential. >> But I also have one that's moving into an active living that transitions to assisted in Duneden. And she's picking that because she can walk to all the

341
01:37:42.080 --> 01:37:58.080
shops and restaurants. She doesn't have to drive um as she gets older. So, she can walk to places for entertainment. >> But this isn't that. >> This isn't that. But I love this project. >> It's Yeah, it's it's not the project, it's the location. You get a lot of

342
01:37:58.080 --> 01:38:13.840
these sometimes they'll have their own bus and they load them up and they'll take them to the shop and to the activities to the movie theater etc. >> But I mean to to me if you want to get something less intense and you go right to the side of Maradas right there it's it's pretty crowded. This is less dense

343
01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:28.320
than most most things you're going to be able to put in here. >> Well in the VOP plan chair Gavin what's in the VOP plan? This allows for feathered out single fam or this is what you're saying >> it didn't.

344
01:38:28.320 --> 01:38:45.199
>> Yeah. So it allows for uh residential development at a maximum of two dwelling units per acre. Um and I will say it it is not that intense of a use. Uh it was found exempt from the timing and phasing because it was so low of a trip generator. >> Um and if we would have had 15 single

345
01:38:45.199 --> 01:39:01.119
family detached homes here, they they would have had a higher trip generation rate. I mean, some of these people in here are not most of them probably aren't going to have cars. I mean, it's it's not if you if you want to cut down trips, this is the ideal one forward. And the more

346
01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:16.000
trips we can frankly cut down, I think the better. >> Yeah. I Yeah, >> it looks like a nice top quality project. And I I hope you come to the west side. Love to have you over there. We can we get demand over there, too. But that this looks fantastic to me. And it's And it butts up to the wetland,

347
01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:36.480
too. And they got a nice they got a big wet area in the back there. Quarter acre park. All right, let me let the applicant figure finish. Um, so with that, I'll call up uh Bruce Landis, my expert land planner, to speak to the comprehensive plan consistency,

348
01:39:36.480 --> 01:39:52.719
and after he's finished, I'll just say a few more words unless you have any additional questions for Abene. >> Thank you. Well, I sure would like to see this kind of project all over the county. Personally, got to find more places for these. >> Commissioners, good afternoon. For the record, my name is Bruce Landis with

349
01:39:52.719 --> 01:40:10.239
Landis Evansson Partners, 3810 Northdale Boulevard, Tampa, and I have been sworn. Um, I just wanted to briefly highlight the consistency with um at least four of the comprehensive plan um policy amendments. uh 6.1.1 for example, we are

350
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:27.119
consistent with providing a variety of land uses and lifestyles to support residents of diverse ages, incomes, family sizes, including housing. We are consistent, excuse me, [clears throat] with policy um number 6.3.2.

351
01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:42.560
The county shall require new urban residential non-residential development within Pasco Pasadena Hills study area to be developed with connected roadway network and creates a grid of existing and new streets that provide local connectivity.

352
01:40:42.560 --> 01:40:59.920
And so the site plan that we're um will be bound to provides that that connectivity. [clears throat] We're consistent with uh policy 6.5.1 through the adoption of Pasco Pasadena

353
01:40:59.920 --> 01:41:15.040
Hills area plan [laughter] has established a policy development policy framework that enhances the livability of the county and preserves its natural, cultural, physical and other resources by creating planning and development policies and future land categories to

354
01:41:15.040 --> 01:41:32.239
address development issues. The new development pattern shall be formed around neighborhoods which are integrated with commercial office and civic uses. And finally, uh we're consistent with um policy 6.5.3 subsection C village centers so be

355
01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:51.679
designed with sufficient nonresidential uses to provide for the daily and weekly needs of residential uh residents. Thank you. I have one question, one more question. >> Um, are we preparing for any kind of

356
01:41:51.679 --> 01:42:07.600
multi-use path in front of because we, you know, we messed up on Prospect, so we have to come back in and put it in. >> So, Prospect Road is going to be constructed by Mike Galvin and his group. Uh he has obligations through the

357
01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:24.320
escrow agreement to construct Prospect from uh connecting Marada all the way across um >> okay >> and uh it will have 8 foot multi-purpose uh pass on east side. >> Well I I think I'm going to be for the project. I think it's a really nice

358
01:42:24.320 --> 01:42:38.880
project. >> So to be sure there will be a path in the front of this project. >> That is correct. Yes. >> Okay. >> I was just just for clarity. Commission wait. Thank you, chair. I was apprehensive

359
01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:56.480
with villages on the green right around the corner and it won up the village and it turned out to be that if we could re if I could redo that vote today, I would. I've admitted that multiple times. And I've got the same suspicion here.

360
01:42:56.480 --> 01:43:13.760
And um I'm not I'm not going to uh feel the same way I did on the vote of the villages of Pasadena or the villages on the green in this village. So >> can you tell me what happened to villages on >> we So with the villages on the green

361
01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:30.239
it's right around the corner. It messed up the formula and we and and it was a a that it was used it was an old orange grove and the storm water pond was going to be used as a passive play park and it was we took single fam which is what this is

362
01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:47.040
where feathered out when you came south of 52 and you come in south of Curly on the east side and we bound that project. that project is seemingly not coming to fruition and it screwed up the whole dynamic of this villages partnered with

363
01:43:47.040 --> 01:44:03.280
DOT and its how it configured its storm water ponds on the intersection. So the gateway into VOP was it's had a rough start in my opinion and with it pushing the density to the

364
01:44:03.280 --> 01:44:19.360
further south with villages on the green which we bound and my understanding is it's not going to come to fruition where that should have been feathered into starting the less density portion of the village and if that continues true based on the

365
01:44:19.360 --> 01:44:36.880
formula and the design of the VOP map coming south and then coming east down Curly. This project is is is like another unicorn again just like villages of the villages on the green was in my opinion

366
01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:52.320
based on the formula and the map of the planning of the last 20 years of EOP. And so it's not this use and this product in this type. I think it's great. I'm just not completely sold that it's in this it's in the spirit. understand the density and the traffic and the uses

367
01:44:52.320 --> 01:45:09.280
all all of that. I'm just not convinced that you're you're going to have two dwelling units per acre and then this and then go on to the next. It's just kind of random when you look at planning and policies and walkability. I mean, you're going to

368
01:45:09.280 --> 01:45:26.320
have two dwelling units per acre and you're going to have fire trucks and ambulances coming however many times based on the nature of it in the middle of a residential neighborhood. with people calling to get help. I I just am not sold that that's the right

369
01:45:26.320 --> 01:45:43.199
location within the concept of this village based on the level of density and what's supposed to be there uh for this this this site. >> So I mean I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just There you go, Gavin. Go ahead, chair. Sorry, chair. No,

370
01:45:43.199 --> 01:46:00.639
>> you're supposed to be start here. So based on the map, >> so let me if I could. >> Yeah, I'm >> so and I agree with you on the that that property down there. I didn't like that property from the get- go. Um and then if if that is not coming to fruition, I

371
01:46:00.639 --> 01:46:15.679
wish you'd come back and let's go work out something better and maybe we get DOT to the table because what they did that to that I mean they did the same thing at Bellamy, too. >> Destroyed that entryway. That could have been a a good use of something. But I'm happy to bring these guys back for that

372
01:46:15.679 --> 01:46:31.679
later. But as far as this goes, so in in in I think it's probably like 10 12 days with my dad in the assisted living facility, I saw one medfleet truck move transporting someone. Even when I took my dad to see the doctor three times out

373
01:46:31.679 --> 01:46:46.960
of there, I we just took him out and brought him here to go. So it wasn't a big thing. And I didn't see a single siren going while I was there. And seldom have I ever seen one coming out of there. And I drive that road all the time. You can ask David Allen because I call him all the time when I see the

374
01:46:46.960 --> 01:47:03.280
panelists are rightaway violators out there all the time. So I drive that road many, many times. I've yet to see one coming out of there. And I've lived there for 20 years. So I I don't think that's going to be something that's going to be looked at. These people, they stay in there. Some of them, they get in there and they just don't come

375
01:47:03.280 --> 01:47:20.560
out. Others, like my dad, they go in there, they get therapy, etc., and they come back out. And I can see where they got two buildings set up, which makes a lot of sense to me because instead of integrating everybody who's in there that's not coming out, you can put the active people near where the clubhouse is and have them more active staying

376
01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:36.719
there because it looks like a great place to be. And that might even tense my my my own dad to not living this far away, but this type of thing would be a product I would be very comfortable to see him in from what I see here. I mean if this so chairman so just theoretically when we're talking about

377
01:47:36.719 --> 01:47:50.880
VOP this is on neighborhood edge residential this product definition seemingly would be neighborhood core residential which would fit better in the structure

378
01:47:50.880 --> 01:48:08.400
of VOP where villages on the green is which is closer to the main thoroughare and if something were to be needed, EMS or what have you, they could get there and get to the hospital or whatever

379
01:48:08.400 --> 01:48:23.920
quickly. I you kind of see the direction I'm going and I think I'm going to follow that direction and go go with my my gut on this one. I I'm not comfortable with it. Not after what's happened so far with with villages on the green and what's

380
01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:40.960
around the corner. So, >> um it's the right use in the right spot within the village is is my concern. You realize prospect is four lane right by the property. >> Prospect's being four lane.

381
01:48:40.960 --> 01:49:00.639
>> Yes. But that doesn't >> Can you have Gavin come back? >> When you look at the uses, I don't don't >> I'm just conflicted on on on the use based on the village and the type and what we're what we're doing here because

382
01:49:00.639 --> 01:49:17.360
we I've never been around one of these facilities a lot, but I don't know about sirens and all that going on at one of these facilities when it's like a >> my my father-in-law and mother-in-law are in assisted living. My mother-in-law since passed, I go there all the time.

383
01:49:17.360 --> 01:49:34.000
I've never been there when there was an ambulance there ever. >> Um on Duck Slooh. Um and it's big, two big buildings. res. >> Can you go over the map here so I can >> understand what's going on? >> Sure. >> It's quieter for the for the facility

384
01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:49.920
itself being in that neighborhood and that in that area, it's quieter for that those people that are in there makes it quieter for them. >> If I could before you go. >> Yeah. >> When you look at what's right to the other side of it, the intensity there, I

385
01:49:49.920 --> 01:50:06.800
mean, leads all the way down overpass, connects to the highway, etc. But it's this is intense in the area. But again, this is as low as it gets. And if it's close to these all these people in this area, >> it's going to make it safer for them to go and easier for them to go put their first person in the assisted living

386
01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:23.040
facility and make them feel comfortable knowing they're so close. I mean, it's a great quality of life and literally I I hope you come to the other side quickly. >> I got I got spots for you. >> Yeah, let's go. >> Good afternoon. William Vermillion, Planning Development, Economic Growth. I think I'd like to add a little bit of

387
01:50:23.040 --> 01:50:40.239
color. to the VOP plan overall as it as it relates to neighborhood commercial. So in terms of an assisted living facility, it's not something that's categorized as residential in terms of density. So when we talk about density compatibility, it's not really

388
01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:55.920
applicable to an assisted living facility. What staff liked about this particular use is that it looks like single family detached in its form, but it's actually a commercial use. And in VOP, commercial uses, specifically neighborhood scale commercial uses are

389
01:50:55.920 --> 01:51:11.040
allowed within certain ranges to be located outside of the village center. So following that vein, staff felt that this specific commercial use needed to be located away from the busy road of State Road 52. this felt like an

390
01:51:11.040 --> 01:51:26.000
applicable area for it because the product type one blended into the development pattern that is currently going in because it looks like single family detach but it's not actually regulated by density like residential. It falls under the neighborhood scale

391
01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:42.560
commercial and then number two u just for a point of correction Prospect Road is a two-lane road not not a four-lane road in the village of Pasian Hills mass roadway plan. >> Wait a minute. A question on the >> they're designing commission prospect

392
01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:58.239
and handcart right now is being designed by Mike Galvin to build four lanes. >> So year from now they going to start that. I know it's two-lane right now but it's supposed to turn into a fourlane building.

393
01:51:58.239 --> 01:52:13.840
>> I'll let Steph look at that construction. >> So So they have an option for an office building. Yes ma'am. >> Or office something. It wasn't shown on the drawings. What What kind of office building? >> Sure. The the way that staff regulated

394
01:52:13.840 --> 01:52:29.840
it since we didn't have an end user and it was most likely going to be the assisted living facility which the applicant showed, what we did was specify the specific uses and then have the the applicant come in for the site plan for that office and uh check the compatibility at that point since the

395
01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:45.599
most likely use is going to be the ALS. >> All right. But if it if it is an office, since we're allowing them to have an office, is it also one story like the rest of this facility is? Is it matching what the complex looks like?

396
01:52:45.599 --> 01:53:01.280
>> I'm going to let the the applicant just because >> she's she's coming up now. >> Okay. >> I can feel her behind me. >> All right. [laughter] >> Docking. >> So, to answer your question, yes. Um, the office is going to match the

397
01:53:01.280 --> 01:53:18.159
architecture and the character of the assisted living facility. It's all going to be developed by and operated by one person, which is Ryan, who's actually a Pasco County resident and lives nearby the property. But we were playing around with some of the graphics, so what the office might look like. And we're

398
01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:39.760
actually going to have a garage, too. So, it looks just like a home. Um, let's see. I have a clicker here. Uh, can we go backwards? >> Those are one of the renderings that we're putting together right now for what the office might look like. >> Yeah. So, there's there's an interesting

399
01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:55.199
um office building right in front of Fox Hollow. I was going to say the same thing in the middle of uh Trinity uh right before the golf course. And um it's actually the international headquarters of a door manufacturer. It's their association headquarters.

400
01:53:55.199 --> 01:54:10.880
It's an office and it looks great. They built it like a house and it just it looks wonderful. Um, >> all right. Well, I'm I you know, the staff's worked hard on this and they know what we want out of VOP and um and so I'm going to be going with

401
01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:27.119
staff's recommendation. I do want to find out more of what's going on on the corner, what you're talking about over there, but that's not what we're talking about here today of the other one >> village. So was that a motion you just made >> or no? >> Well, I will make that motion.

402
01:54:27.119 --> 01:54:43.520
>> All right, hang on. Let me go to commission waving first. Okay. >> So with your motion, so based on what we learned a second if that if that >> Well, I'm going to ask her to modify her to consider >> under discussion. >> No, we have a motion to second based upon so we bound this board bound

403
01:54:43.520 --> 01:54:59.520
because we were suspect to villages on the green. We bound it in the architectural design standards and everything that's being shown just like it's being shown here. Yeah, >> great pictures looking good >> and we were unsure about it because it won up the core of that village. So, we

404
01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:15.440
bound it hasn't come to fruition. So, if depending on what you're approving, they could show us all these fancy pictures like folks have done before and it may not come out this way. >> So, I'm just saying I'm I'm uneasy on this one. >> Well, clearly.

405
01:55:15.440 --> 01:55:32.239
>> Are we binding this architecture here? What's also applicant number >> the applicant is happy to agree to binding the conceptual site plan that was fitted with the application and if it um places the board will also agree to have you know some sort of architectural standards that they'll be

406
01:55:32.239 --> 01:55:47.920
residential in character all the buildings. >> So what would be shown today? >> Yes. >> So Mr. Chairman, what I would suggest is adding to 33 of the conditions of approval. Developer shall be bound by the elevations and concept plan that were made part of the record in this

407
01:55:47.920 --> 01:56:02.800
hearing. >> Yeah. Is >> that good for the motion maker? >> Yes, I will. That's what I'm expecting. >> I'm good with >> Okay. Yeah. >> Any further discussion? >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> I'll say I but I'm prove me wrong >> because the builder and the owner is

408
01:56:02.800 --> 01:56:18.280
here. >> Okay. Motion passes 50. But I do want to talk to staff about the other issues that he's talked about >> and I I think it's a good idea. So let Commissioner W drive that one. >> All right. Item P89 was pulled.

409
01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:42.880
>> Mr. Chairman, so we don't forget it. Um there was an item PFBA 26-000063. Um, it was noticing a public hearing on the county's intent to acquire part of

410
01:56:42.880 --> 01:57:00.080
the system from FGOA. Um, that item is being withdrawn from this agenda. It was advertised. It is not on your agenda, but it in case there's anybody in the audience who is here for that item, it is being withdrawn by the administrator and it

411
01:57:00.080 --> 01:57:15.920
will become back as a regular item likely on August 11th. >> It's not on your agenda. It was advertised for today. >> Okay. >> So, P89 was on consent, was pulled. We had a couple of people want to speak to

412
01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:44.560
it. So, let me let me take the public comment first. >> Absolutely. So >> P89 >> P89 you have Nancy Hazelwood who has signed up. >> Okay. >> Two for P90 just >> right Hazwood 34110110 A nice place city

413
01:57:44.560 --> 01:58:01.040
Florida. Did I just hear you all say that it's what? Withdrawn or >> FGA? >> No, different. >> Different item. >> Different item. >> Not your item. >> Okay. So, this doesn't mean if it comes back or something, I can't talk, right?

414
01:58:01.040 --> 01:58:18.800
Okay. So, there's a couple of things. That's >> This is final approval of this item. So, yes, this is your opportunity to speak. >> Yes, sir. Um, so the first thing I was wanting to know is they've got 118 acres, I believe. Um,

415
01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:34.480
but yet they say that they're going to do a pumpkin patch and a small Christmas walk. I was wondering why that took 118 acres. >> That's one question. Number two, um, is I am concerned about

416
01:58:34.480 --> 01:58:52.000
them staying open till 100 a.m. and they're asking for more alcohol. But maybe this this part is too different because I'm concerned about kids from high school being left out till 1:00 a.m. and getting home at 2:00 a.m. I

417
01:58:52.000 --> 01:59:08.560
don't know. Is that something we do now? We let our kids stay out to 2 am if they're 17 years old, 18 years old, maybe 16, because if they're keeping it open till 1:00 a.m. and then the kids are going home, I don't not sure how

418
01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:25.360
responsible that is. So that that's another consideration. I believe that's on there. Am I mistaken, Mr. Steinstein? >> Am I mistaken in that? I do believe that's on there that they want to change the times. I

419
01:59:25.360 --> 01:59:42.400
>> it is but we don't get into that right. >> Well you you know if it's part of the conditions of approval you can get into that but >> I mean discussion >> but it I'm not sure whether that's part of the >> Friday and Saturday. >> Okay.

420
01:59:42.400 --> 01:59:58.532
>> Anyways that's that's my concern. And I'm not sure that's real responsible leaving something open till 1:00 a.m. and you've got kids in there that are still in high school, but maybe I'm wrong and things have changed. I'm I'm just an old person now. Thank y'all.

421
01:59:58.532 --> 02:00:14.880
[laughter] >> Mr. Hobby, >> Mr. Chairman Clark Hobby J Hobby and HobbyP PA 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida. Ben Sworn uh to answer the questions and just to remind everyone, we are we have the same hours of operation on these two sites. All we're

422
02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:31.360
doing is combining the two sites and allowing them to operate at the same time so that if we have the Screamageddon event on the east side, we can have a pumpkin patch on the west side. Similarly, if we have the snowhill going on the west side, we can have a

423
02:00:31.360 --> 02:00:46.800
Christmas function on the other side. The only thing that changed is we added a little more time for people to get off of the site after we close the gates with regard to the alcohol. And I think she might have really been alluding to the next uh conditional use item. Uh we

424
02:00:46.800 --> 02:01:04.239
have been open since 2012. Um and we've been selling alcohol for a number of years and we've never had a drinking and driving uh issue. And the reason is the client has a very harsh uh drinking on-site series of rules for liability

425
02:01:04.239 --> 02:01:20.480
purposes and they maintain relationships with Uber andyft so that if anyone is cited as being, you know, drunk on site, they automatically pay for them to have a free ride home. They just call the person and said, "You're out of here and

426
02:01:20.480 --> 02:01:36.239
here's your ride home." Commissioner Starky, >> I think this is going to be a great addition to the community. And as I said in the meeting that I was with you guys, please have your applicant get that um Harry Potter experience. [laughter]

427
02:01:36.239 --> 02:01:51.920
>> And I don't think there's alcohol and butterbeer, but I don't know. I I didn't know that. Um but uh that was an amazing experience. I went to that in Virginia with my daughter and and my grandkids. You're walking through the woods at night and it's a Harry Potter village and it was amazing and I love that our

428
02:01:51.920 --> 02:02:08.320
community's maybe can be able to have something like that here. I >> I won't belabor things but this is a real Pasco success story. Yeah. That we have 75 full-time equivalent employees out there and there were over 7,000 hotel night stays last year for this project. >> Just wait till they get Harry Potter or

429
02:02:08.320 --> 02:02:24.639
whatever it's called. >> Okay. No. And I say I've been out there several times with the family watching what he's done from tree hoppers on through and it's always been a tremendous experience. What he's done is just elevate entertainment in Pasco County to to the highest level. So I think he'll do a great job with it.

430
02:02:24.639 --> 02:02:41.199
>> Do you have comment? >> Um I had one public comment. They had no one else signed up. >> Anyone else want to do public comment to this item? >> No one signed up. I have a motion >> to approve. [clears throat] >> Second. >> All in favor say I. I I >> Any opposed? You unanimous.

431
02:02:41.199 --> 02:03:06.960
Okay, next one. P90 >> that one. You have two people. >> I have two people speak. Please come forward. >> Yep. So, Nancy Hazelwood followed by Christy Zimmer for P90. >> What number? >> 90. >> Yeah, this is the alcohol portion.

432
02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:23.280
Yeah, >> I think um basic Nancy Hayeswood 34110110 a nice place. I pretty much have the same thing to say. This is in the northeast area plan. I did hear that they take good care of the alcohol. If

433
02:03:23.280 --> 02:03:39.199
anybody's watching, I talked to neighbors about it and that's on. I just have problems with the 1:00 a.m. thing and letting kids on our street at at that time. And um if you read through it, it sounds like they're actually

434
02:03:39.199 --> 02:03:56.239
closing their gates at 1. So if they're closing them earlier, I could take that into consideration. I wonder what time that would be. Also, um I wish y'all would quit making destinations in the northeast real area

435
02:03:56.239 --> 02:04:11.040
plan that don't really fit. We're trying to be rural. Save your natural resources in Pasco County and make it more like a state park that has areas in it to walk

436
02:04:11.040 --> 02:04:27.840
through. And I love their tree toppers where you go through the trees and everything that fits in perfectly. But the rest of this stuff and and they told us they were making small pumpkin patches and a small Christmas walk.

437
02:04:27.840 --> 02:04:48.239
Well, still 118 acres doesn't sound too small. Thank you. >> Okay. Christy Zimmer, address on record, 7,000 hotel rooms because of their facility. I want proof of that. Um, I

438
02:04:48.239 --> 02:05:03.520
respectfully request that this conditional application be denied and continued until additional evidence is provided demonstrating compliance with the county's approval standards. This request is not simply a continuation of an existing approval. that represents a significant intensification of the

439
02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:21.280
current alcohol authorization by expanding from a 20p 2 cop beer and wine permit which is the alcohol they've been serving to a full 4 cop liquor license which is a lot different. It's a whole different concept of alcohol

440
02:05:21.280 --> 02:05:37.760
extending alcohol sales throughout a large 118 acre amusement and an entertainment complex. I I don't believe this is an agurism project. It sounds like a commercial tourism project. First, the applicant has not demonstrated compatibility with rural and architecture agricultural character

441
02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:54.239
of this area. The property is located within the northeast northeast Pasco rural area and carries an agricultural future land use designation. While recreational uses may be permitted, the burden remains on the applicant to demonstrate the full liquor sales and late night operations are compatible

442
02:05:54.239 --> 02:06:11.440
with the surrounding agricultural and residential uses, which I don't think that it is. The staff report contains little analysis supporting that conclusion. Second, the applicant has not provided significance addressing the public health, safety, and welfare impacts associated with the

443
02:06:11.440 --> 02:06:27.119
expanded alcohol consumption and type of alcohol and late night operations. The proposed hours would allow alcohol sales until 11:00 p.m. on weekends and alcohol sales until 1:00 a.m. on weekends. Rural roadways such as St. Joe Road and

444
02:06:27.119 --> 02:06:43.280
Bellamy Brothers Boulevard present unique safety concerns and the record contains no alcohol-related public safety analysis. We they say it but there's no record of it. Third environmental review appears incomplete. The staff reports acknowledges that detailed wildlife surveys and wetland

445
02:06:43.280 --> 02:06:58.960
delineation information are still required until those studies are complete and evaluated. The board does not possess all the information necessary to fully assess impacts associated with the intensified use of this property. Fourth, the transportation mitigation identified by

446
02:06:58.960 --> 02:07:14.560
the county staff has not yet been completed. The traffic review determined that a left turn lane is required on St. Joe Road with completion anticipated by fall of 27. Approval of an intensified alcohol-related use before required transportation improvements are in place

447
02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:30.560
is premature and dangerous. Finally, the applicant already possesses an approved alcohol permit for beer and wine sales associated with the amusement park. The record does not demonstrate why the existing authorization is inadequate or why expanded liquor sales are necessary.

448
02:07:30.560 --> 02:07:45.760
The burden of proof rest on the applicant and I do not believe the burden has been met. A mixture of alcohol and late late night hours does not create a familyfriendly environment. Nothing good happens after midnight. For these reasons, I re I respectfully

449
02:07:45.760 --> 02:08:07.119
request denial of the application or at a minimum a continuence until outstanding environmental transportation and compatibility issues have been fully addressed. Thank you. >> All right. Anyone want to hear from staff? Okay. Um I'm just ask one question as

450
02:08:07.119 --> 02:08:28.639
far as like a turn lane. Do you think it's needed um from the intersection going out to Bellamy? >> I have the transportation team coming up to talk to discuss. >> Good afternoon. Mohammed Hakshinas with

451
02:08:28.639 --> 02:08:44.719
the planning development and economic growth. Um I think a timing and phasing study has been uh provided to us and we reviewed that. Um those type of uh turn lanes their uh specifications will be

452
02:08:44.719 --> 02:09:03.119
more detailed provided at the time of cycling and with the access management analysis but they do provide some information about if turnings are warranted or not. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Thank you Mr. Hobby

453
02:09:03.119 --> 02:09:18.400
>> Clark Hobby again. Uh, and we do have Mike Razer, our uh, our transportation planner here. I'll try to address a couple of these things. First of all, when it comes to the burden of proof, the staff report in and of itself is competent, substantial evidence to

454
02:09:18.400 --> 02:09:33.119
substantiate the approval of the application. So, I don't need to provide any further evidence. All you heard from the objector was argument. there was no expertise offered. Um the difference

455
02:09:33.119 --> 02:09:49.360
between uh selling beer and wine and liquor does not generate any additional trips um statistically and for that reason there's no differentiation in the IT code. There's no difference with the type of facility when it comes to

456
02:09:49.360 --> 02:10:06.639
selling beer and wine uh and selling alcohol in this area. I think most of you are probably aware that the Florida Cracker uh facility opened up in St. Joe just down the road on St. Joe Road uh a few months ago. It sells all kinds of

457
02:10:06.639 --> 02:10:23.360
alcohol including booze uh liquor I should say and it's wildly successful. Um even Disney and and facilities like that now sell liquor. So the days of just beer and wine and not liquor are kind of gone. And for that reason, when

458
02:10:23.360 --> 02:10:37.920
you go into a Circle K, maybe you'll I don't drink it, but there are a lot of the stuff that looks like beer now that actually has liquor in it. It's usually uh down at a lower percentage of alcohol by volume than if you were to go buy a

459
02:10:37.920 --> 02:10:54.400
Jack and Coke, but it's it's sold virtually everywhere now. So, um, and last thing I'd say, and I could give this to staff, but we have 10 letters of no objection for this application from almost all of our closest neighbors. So,

460
02:10:54.400 --> 02:11:11.119
the neighbors are fine with it. Florida Crackers selling booze right down the road. People want to get a drink when they're out. I'm sorry, times have changed. >> All right. To the board. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? All in favor say

461
02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:34.320
I. >> I. Any opposed? Unanimous. And P92 got a question about the Orange Belt Trail. So, we did um find the answer and Gina's

462
02:11:34.320 --> 02:11:51.199
pulling it up right now. So, basically, finding a fact number 10 does describe this in detail. Um, but the aerial map will also show you as well. So, there is an existing 12oot multi-use path on the north side of State Road 52 from Bellamy

463
02:11:51.199 --> 02:12:07.679
Brothers over to Curly uh Curly Road. So, that's going to be your um east side along Bellamy Brothers. So, at the intersection south, um they are constructing a 10 foot wide multi-use

464
02:12:07.679 --> 02:12:24.560
pave uh path that is being done by the Amazon. Uh >> so, I think that's built already, >> right? And uh and it's on the west side. >> West, correct? >> Okay. So, you've got to get from the west side to the east side. >> Uh so, they're going from it's going to

465
02:12:24.560 --> 02:12:39.599
go across the street to the north. >> Which way? Which way across the street? Um, >> where where are you crossing the street? >> On the east side or the west side at that intersection? >> State Road 54 off. >> So, what I'm asking is how do you get >> across the street?

466
02:12:39.599 --> 02:12:56.320
>> And I just looked at a map of of uh the Orange Belt and it it goes north on Bellamy and cuts in through uh Clark's here because that that's his client. It cuts through that property on on the that's on the east side there and goes

467
02:12:56.320 --> 02:13:14.560
under the underpass for right now. >> Right. >> Roads and then roads. >> Thank you. Um so there is a a sidewalk on the south side, multi-use path on the north side and they would have to cross

468
02:13:14.560 --> 02:13:30.719
the street tax. >> So show just like physically walk me through that. There's no there's no refuge in the middle of that highway, >> correct? >> For a a a cyclist or a scooter or anyone. >> Um, so how is someone going to safely cross that road? And is there a

469
02:13:30.719 --> 02:13:47.760
driveway? Are there driveways into whatever is coming here? Maybe a gas station. I don't know. Is it a drive-thru business? >> Um, they were proposing a potential drive-thru. >> Okay. So, I just I am very concerned. >> Ice cream shop type. I just need you to

470
02:13:47.760 --> 02:14:05.119
tell me, someone tell me what's the engineering plan to cross the street safely. >> They got two marks sidewalks there. >> Yeah. Uh I don't have the details if there's an island being constructed. >> So will they cross Bellamy south of 52

471
02:14:05.119 --> 02:14:23.760
and then go north on the east side of that intersection? I just someone as that site plan's coming in some someone's got to pay attention to how this corner this intersection is safely navigated. >> Yeah, it does look like they would have

472
02:14:23.760 --> 02:14:39.599
to cross. >> Do you have any suggestions, Commissioner? I mean, if it's on the west side of Bellamy heading north, I would presume that it's it's easiest to to cross. >> Well, there is a way to make a refuge over there maybe. >> Uh, we can talk to FD. I know there is a

473
02:14:39.599 --> 02:14:55.040
widening project that's coming in at that >> very poorly thought out this >> and we can have those conversations. Yeah. >> Um >> it's got trails both sides. >> You just can't get there safely. >> No, but I'm saying but but I'm saying your your east west is like connected

474
02:14:55.040 --> 02:15:10.239
and actually even takes it on in front of this. It goes actually close to the roadway. >> So what are you pointing to? This is a sidewalk on the south side, right? And that's the M that that is the standard now state 52 bicycle path on the north

475
02:15:10.239 --> 02:15:26.639
side. Um but the orange belt that is not part of the orange belt that from what I've seen it goes up >> over until we get the the orange belt trail >> to go over later on >> cuz Yeah. This because this could actually go right down to where you want that overpass in 52.

476
02:15:26.639 --> 02:15:42.320
>> Well, that's why that's there. >> Yeah. So I mean >> but but you have to cross the street, >> right? You do got cross be right there. >> A lot of these are going to be kids and so I just want to make sure we're creating a safe environment for them. >> Environment to cross. I don't know what kind of

477
02:15:42.320 --> 02:15:59.040
I just want to make sure that whatever happens on this corner in the site plan approval that they're taken into account however anyone's crossing the street. And until I see a plan of how that's happening, I I have concerns. So, if you could tell

478
02:15:59.040 --> 02:16:14.480
me we could fix it somewhere or you can you're going to deal with it in this site plan approval. I don't know. Do we get another chance after this or are we done? >> It's not on the same side as the applicant's property, is it? >> Correct. So this is from what Miss Tull

479
02:16:14.480 --> 02:16:31.440
just said, Amazon is building building the 10 foot a 10 foot wide trail on the west side, which means the the crossing in order to get to the other side, you either cross Bellamy and then 52 or you just cross 52 straight forward. Okay. >> But I'm hearing you. So I don't know if there's anything you can hold this

480
02:16:31.440 --> 02:16:47.439
applicant >> to in terms of safely crossing it between us and FDOT and and our trail. You need to see someone needs to see if there's a landing place on the north >> west corner corner. That's correct. >> Of 52 in Bellamy for someone to cross

481
02:16:47.439 --> 02:17:03.840
the street there because I don't think they took that into consideration. >> So there there is safety money with DOT. We'll get that grant a couple years ago after going to NO. >> So this could be added to that and if they are going to redo that section and that intersection does need to get get redone anyway because that needs turn lanes anyway especially on the other

482
02:17:03.840 --> 02:17:20.160
side. So if they're looking at that right now, which I think they are, >> the safety stuff can be incorporated. >> I believe there is widening that's underway right now. >> Yeah, both both sides west of this intersection. So that needs to be incorporated. The message received. >> Yeah, because the multi-use path on

483
02:17:20.160 --> 02:17:35.359
Bellamy is going to be on the east side going north is what we've been told here. And so >> it's said it's on what trail? >> No, on the west side it's a sidewalk north of 52. I tried to get y'all to stop that, but I

484
02:17:35.359 --> 02:17:51.920
wasn't successful. So, the multi-use path, >> according to these guys, is on the west side, east side of Bellamy, north of 52. >> Oh, okay. My misunderstanding. I thought you said the west side. >> No, it Yeah, the multi-use path is on the west side of Bellamy on the south. >> South of 52.

485
02:17:51.920 --> 02:18:07.519
>> On the southern edge, >> where? On the north side of 52. It's on the east side. >> That's what she said. So they So so now you have to make two dangerous crossings. That's >> you have to cross. Yes. You'll have to cross once and then cross like like Starky. >> Yes. Exactly. That's correct.

486
02:18:07.519 --> 02:18:24.160
>> Or we just add a fatality. >> There's going to be two crosses no matter what you do. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> It's a dangerous hobby and if that's what you choose to do, that's what you choose to do is your hobby. >> All right. >> It wouldn't be this applicant's problem to solve. That's that was my point.

487
02:18:24.160 --> 02:18:40.160
>> Yeah. It just depends on where their driveway is. >> That's >> I see what you're saying. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. To the board. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? All in favor say

488
02:18:40.160 --> 02:18:55.519
I. I. >> We need to. >> Okay. That takes care of the consent. We'll go to P93. >> All right. So P93 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times April 1st, 2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

489
02:18:55.519 --> 02:19:26.880
You're going to be got >> Good afternoon, William Vermillion Planning, Development, Economic Growth. Somebody appears to have put my uh clicker in their pocket when they left. [laughter] Here we go. >> We might have found who that is.

490
02:19:26.880 --> 02:19:43.040
>> I could have done it telepathically, but I didn't want to show off like that. >> This is the uh this is the companion zoning amendment to the to the previously approved CPA on the the ordinance section of the agenda. This is Mitchell 41 MPUD.

491
02:19:43.040 --> 02:19:59.280
What? >> This is a reszoning from AC agricultural to MPUD master plan unit development >> for the total of 2100 residential dwelling units, 880,000 square ft of light industrial, 99,000 square ft of

492
02:19:59.280 --> 02:20:16.080
office and associated infrastructure on roughly 1,219 acres. This is located in northwest Pasco County on the west side of US 41 just north of the intersection with 52. >> Here's the location map within the

493
02:20:16.080 --> 02:20:33.520
county. >> The current aerial you can see Cruz Lake and US41 [clears throat] there. The existing zoning reflecting agricultural. The current future land use map. Look,

494
02:20:33.520 --> 02:20:49.760
it looks like a a hodge podge, but back in 2008, each individual wetland had a had a con flu placed over it, which is why you see all that dotted areas of con. You can see some IIL and uh some the old office flu.

495
02:20:49.760 --> 02:21:05.040
Context map of the subject site there in blue, you can see US41 as well as the CSX railroad, which runs through the uh the area of what we called Panellis County for the for the water. Then you can see the Starky to Crossbar

496
02:21:05.040 --> 02:21:23.680
ecological corridor in yellow as well as in red the already acquired Elamp property and Cruz Lake Park there in pink. So a couple different things to discuss on the master plan that are that are

497
02:21:23.680 --> 02:21:40.800
pretty good planning thought. The first being that 98% of the on-site wetlands are being preserved by the applicant there in green. It's actually 98.6% just north of that. And even bigger than that, there's two areas specifically

498
02:21:40.800 --> 02:21:57.200
called out for tree preservation. Staff went out with the applicant with natural resources, the county arborist, and looked at the on-site oak canopies that exist. And this was well before the county adopted the tree ordinance. And uh the applicant and staff were able to

499
02:21:57.200 --> 02:22:12.880
work together to come up with two different preservation areas totaling roughly 47% of the on-site trees being preserved as a part of this application. You can see there in yellow that's the largely residential area and in red the

500
02:22:12.880 --> 02:22:29.439
non-residential area. As we move forward into the MPD connectivity plan, which gives us more detail than the master plan gave, the first things that are easy to point out is as big wins for the project outside of the tree preservation

501
02:22:29.439 --> 02:22:44.800
areas, both in the northwest corner and central to that roundabout is the trail that runs through the Starky crossbar. The first segment there is in blue and the second segment in yellow which takes you to the trail head within the tree preservation area on that northwest

502
02:22:44.800 --> 02:23:00.720
portion all the way to the center north of the property. The blue being the responsibility of the county to construct and the orange being the responsibility of the developer. This is the last one.

503
02:23:00.720 --> 02:23:19.200
You can see also in in blue there, the applicant is reserving a school site. And then there's also additionally there's multi-use paths throughout the project outside of that trail segment that runs through the Starky crossbar, both along uh roads A and C, which are

504
02:23:19.200 --> 02:23:36.720
the two access points to State Road 41. The southern of which is a four lane, the northern of which to serve the non-residential is a two-lane as it uh meanders through the property. Another another good thing to point out here is, you know, as the county and FDOT prepare

505
02:23:36.720 --> 02:23:52.399
for the four-lane widening of 41, which is contemplated in the long range transportation plan and the cost affordable plan, what staff did is work with the applicant to go ahead and acquire all the all the rideway necessary for the ultimate 220

506
02:23:52.399 --> 02:24:08.960
footlaning of 41 on the applicant side. Because if I was to go over here, uh, back to the master plan, if you look on the opposite side of 41, it's a bunch of tiny little single family parcels, and it would have taken the county a long time to go

507
02:24:08.960 --> 02:24:23.760
through the imminent domain process to get all that rightway for 41. So, what we've done here is be able to speed up the process with the help of the applicant to get the rightway dedication from the west side of the road. In this case,

508
02:24:23.760 --> 02:24:40.479
on the connectivity plan, we do have the typical sections which highlights the 10-ft multi-use paths that are going to be going on both sides of the road. Um, whenever this project came in, the board will remember the typical section for the county at that time was a 12oot

509
02:24:40.479 --> 02:24:56.560
multi-use path, a 5-ft sidewalk, and a bike lane. And before that was adopted, the applicant worked with staff to go ahead and implement the two 10- foot multi-use paths on either side of the road and eliminate the bike lane to decrease some of the conflict that happens with pedestrians.

510
02:24:56.560 --> 02:25:14.399
>> Is the applicant putting a 10-ft path in front of the property >> on 41? We have the rightway for um the F.ypical section. Uh if the board remembers when the mosquito property came in, we had a conversation about the pedestrian facilities on US 41 and FDOT

511
02:25:14.399 --> 02:25:29.680
is currently redoing their designs because of the old PD&E working with the county and the county engineer um that we have the rightway to accomplish a 10 or a 12ft multi-use path which the county is trying to get on both sides of the road. >> Right. And I'm not worried about the other side of the road, but with all

512
02:25:29.680 --> 02:25:45.040
these homes coming in, we need at least their side of the road, I would think, done. >> Absolutely. And that makes a lot of sense considering we're also doing a transit stop on the uh along 41 with this property that the multi-use path would make sense to work with. Yes, sir. >> It would be interesting if we could get

513
02:25:45.040 --> 02:26:02.399
an equestrian path along one of the sides because this area is a big equestrian area and going to grow into a bigger equestrian area. >> Certainly. And I think the last thing to highlight as a part of the connectivity plan is the maintenance easement that's

514
02:26:02.399 --> 02:26:17.040
shown there on the bottom. There's two different access points for our parks and rec natural resources folks to be able to get into what is going to be 180 acres of acquisition that the county >> that the count let's see >> let me back up here.

515
02:26:17.040 --> 02:26:36.000
>> Yeah. So essentially that area in yellow outside of the subject site, it was a part of the original sub area. It was all under the same ownership, but what the county is doing as a with the parks and wreck and purchasing about 180 acres of purchasing

516
02:26:36.000 --> 02:26:55.280
that land where that trail is going to go. Um, and two access easements for the county to be able to get in there and maintain that and a good use of the land with the the passive trails going in for the public to use. This is just highlighting the uh the

517
02:26:55.280 --> 02:27:11.840
land use equivalency matrix showing the board that there's no non-residential conversions to residential and that as a part of this um I think that Clark touched on this before. The original mandate of the sub area policy was to have north of 900

518
02:27:11.840 --> 02:27:26.880
multif family apartments. As a part of this, this is capped at 600. So, not only it's a 300 plus dwelling unit reduction of what would have been required under the current 2008 approval, as well as capping the town

519
02:27:26.880 --> 02:27:44.240
homes there under at 500, but still giving the applicant the option to do fully single family detach in this area at the 2100 as well as the industrial office and retail components that we that we saw in red.

520
02:27:44.240 --> 02:28:02.800
There are three different variations from the code. The first being 9016011 street access to adjoining property was to go back. The applicant cannot connect uh as we move to the west. That's a part of that

521
02:28:02.800 --> 02:28:18.880
that Elant property that the countyy's acquiring, but they are providing connections to 41 to the south and to the north of the subject site in compliance with the land development code. The second variation being from 8056 restrictions on postdevelopment wetlands

522
02:28:18.880 --> 02:28:33.840
and upland buffers. This is for parcels under single ownership only for commercial or multif family to maintain their own common areas instead of establishing a CDD or an HOA. And finally from LDC table 9013A

523
02:28:33.840 --> 02:28:50.160
which is the amount of access points um per ERU or estimated residential unit. Typically, the code requires two access points once you get north of 600 dwelling units. In this case, this variation is for the fourlaning of the

524
02:28:50.160 --> 02:29:06.800
southern access prior to be able to serve units up to,200 before constructing the additional road. So, the same volume capacity is being preserved by constructing road C up front as a four-lane road as two accesses would have been required by the code. Given that the planning,

525
02:29:06.800 --> 02:29:21.520
development, economic growth and the county engineer are in support of the variation from table 9013A and this comes with a recommendation of approval from PTE and the planning commission with conditions and I'm available for any questions.

526
02:29:21.520 --> 02:29:37.920
>> Any questions? >> Chair so under the existing or staff or Mr. Hobby, we're reduc so this project today we're reducing multif family by how many units? 301 what? >> This is Clark Hobby for the record

527
02:29:37.920 --> 02:29:55.200
again. It's it would be a minimum of 334 but it's likely to be much much more commissioner. I mean, right now we're not even planning for any apartments on the project and it's really intended. I'll have a larger discussion, but this

528
02:29:55.200 --> 02:30:09.520
project, this if I might just get into my presentation and chief, so I'm here on behalf of the Mitchell family and their entities and and West Bay Homes who's the contract purchaser. We have been working for four years with county

529
02:30:09.520 --> 02:30:25.760
staff on this four uh took about 18 months for Angelene frame of reference. So an extreme amount of thought has gone into the planning of this site, >> making sure the eco corridor uh conveyance is going to occur and when

530
02:30:25.760 --> 02:30:43.760
the SMPUD gets approved that will trigger the purchase and sale of the eco corridor provisions and that uh contract will be coming to you all in about a month or so and hopefully the closing will occur maybe in you know a month or so after that. But the project has had a

531
02:30:43.760 --> 02:31:00.240
great deal of care from the West Bay uh planning team, the folks uh with our engineering folks at Clear View Land Design. I will give the county staff great credit on this one. When we got the first round of comments, the county

532
02:31:00.240 --> 02:31:16.560
staff said to us, "We're having a problem with people taking down too many trees throughout uh the county and part of the development project projects that we see. can you guys help? So, what happened was our whole team worked together [clears throat] and spent

533
02:31:16.560 --> 02:31:32.720
countless hours to design this project to take advantage of this beautiful ranch that I grew up fishing on. My grandfather fished out there for many, many years with the Wolf family that used to own it. and we preserved a

534
02:31:32.720 --> 02:31:49.760
significant amount of oak trees on the site and we're using them as our entry feature and many other amenities throughout the site. We're also building a four-lane boulevard entrance that goes around and a big roundabout around the trees. So again, we're taking advantage

535
02:31:49.760 --> 02:32:06.800
of what nature's giving us and we're not trying to nuke a bunch of wetlands either. Again, we're we're the projects designed to create creations to the Morsani track and the eco corridors that lie to our west and to our north. There are folks who use the Mazart town uh

536
02:32:06.800 --> 02:32:23.920
canal which is to the north to ride horses. And so we've had our team out. They've been riding brought horses out to the site and we're trying to connect create connections through Morsani so that our residents can have an equestrian usage to also get out to the

537
02:32:23.920 --> 02:32:40.479
the banks of the Mazar town uh um canal and use it the way the existing residents are. The the lot of discussion about densities on this thing, but I would remind the board it's a large piece of property. It's basically 1,400

538
02:32:40.479 --> 02:32:57.359
acres before the eco corridor uh transaction occurs. Even with all we're doing today, the the net density is less than 2.5 units per acre. And that's because West Bay's intent is not to jam as much density on there, but to build a

539
02:32:57.359 --> 02:33:12.720
high-end community that does the things that this has always been planned for. And and it's instructive to go back and read the comp plan because about the same time that Dewey and I first started working on this project in 20089, the

540
02:33:12.720 --> 02:33:29.120
county went through a visioning process for the whole county. And part of it was the creation of the central market area which includes this area. And the central market area is envisioned as a suburban area with concentrated development and activity nodes with

541
02:33:29.120 --> 02:33:45.359
emphasis on employment centers and town centers. And the comp plan specifically says that the area north of 52 between 41 and the Sun Coast shall encourage development in the in that area and that the development shall be in a form with

542
02:33:45.359 --> 02:34:02.160
mixeduse land uses and nodes or clusters that promote higher density integrated with employment retail and mutually supportive uses. That is what you are seeing here. We have increased the amount of acreage for the employment on this site. We have provided in the NPUD

543
02:34:02.160 --> 02:34:17.120
conditions for the provision of the infrastructure for the employment. We've provided for a school site. We've provided for the retail areas. And we're making a great mixeduse community. So, this is one people can talk about Pasco

544
02:34:17.120 --> 02:34:33.840
County being overdeveloped, but this is a community we're going to be very proud of for generations, and I stand behind it 100%. >> Thank you. Um, Clark, can you go to the next screen? We don't have these in our packet. Any of these? >> You don't have what in our packet?

545
02:34:33.840 --> 02:34:50.160
>> Any of these pictures? So, this one, um, >> on the connectivity plan. Oh, let me I'm sorry. Let me let me speak to that. Uh, I was just speaking with Mr. Henry, our transportation engineer, before I came up here. They just had a meeting with DOT that on the, uh, frontage and the

546
02:34:50.160 --> 02:35:07.439
sidewalk and multi-use path. The chairman and and Commissioner Starky brought this issue up. right now. Uh we just had a meeting with DOT recently and they agreed that if they approve of it, we will be able to install and we will install a 10-ft multi-use uh trail on

547
02:35:07.439 --> 02:35:23.120
our side along the front edge. So, we just have to get DOT's approval for it. And we worked um a lot to uh work on this trail that is on the back side of this that is going up

548
02:35:23.120 --> 02:35:39.040
uh up the wildlife corridor on the edge >> and they're all >> that gets you from 52 up to Crossbar and Albar and or uh I guess no I guess it gets you to Cruise Lake and whatever's above here. Yeah,

549
02:35:39.040 --> 02:35:54.640
that's that's going into the cruise lake and the eco corridor. But again, a lot of work went into this with staff um and a lot of departments and there was a lot of give and take with the developer. At first, we were worried about having, you

550
02:35:54.640 --> 02:36:10.319
know, maybe too much of the public if this will come on. Try it again. >> The blue where the blue >> There we go. We were worried about having high-end homes out in some of these areas and having maybe a little bit too much uh members of the public

551
02:36:10.319 --> 02:36:27.359
out there, but I think our client finally found that that really wasn't going to be an issue. and having the ability to get out in this huge eco corridor that the county's already spent millions and millions of dollars of creating over time and getting through the Morsy track is more of an amenity to

552
02:36:27.359 --> 02:36:44.240
the community that we're going to build than a hindrance to the people who will be the homeowners on that side. >> And we have an equestrian facility that we're working on on the other side of the wildlife corridor. Our entrance comes in off the other side. Um, but it's going to be great for these residents who if they market to an

553
02:36:44.240 --> 02:37:00.800
equestrian community. And I want to thank um Mr. Suggs, Mr. Matheni, and um and Jordan came on a different trip. We don't have Toxy out on a bike yet out on Starky Ranch. Um, but they're the I

554
02:37:00.800 --> 02:37:17.600
think Jordan was on my second tour. Um, but I've been taking developers and engineers, done three now, uh, for bike rides out on Starky to see how the trails work and integrate within the community and I just appreciate you guys riding with me and um, I think we had a nice ride. So,

555
02:37:17.600 --> 02:37:33.240
>> all right, >> we'll wait for public comment and answer any other questions you may have. >> I want I I appreciate what you just said at the end there. That covered my my biggest point so that was cool. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> All right, time for public comment. We have one person signed up. >> Yes, sir. Michaela Krauss.

556
02:37:33.680 --> 02:37:50.319
Michaela Krauss, 35920, Praise Place, Unit 102, Zepher Hills, Florida 33541. I have sworn. Good afternoon, commissioners. I am here today to urge this board to deny the reasonzoning request for the Mitchell 41 MPUD. I find

557
02:37:50.319 --> 02:38:05.120
great inconsistency with the Pasco County comprehensive plan. This development is completely incompatible with Northwest Pasco's environment and directly violates county's core com

558
02:38:05.120 --> 02:38:22.399
con um com comfort saving the land conver yep policies. Um first this proposal contradicts chapter 2 policy 22.1.6. Second it directly violates chapter 5 policy 1.9.1.

559
02:38:22.399 --> 02:38:37.920
This massive track serves as a critical wildlife corridor. It cannot simply be replaced or mitigated away once fragmented. Third, this intense overdevelopment severely undermines policy con 1.6.17.

560
02:38:37.920 --> 02:38:52.720
Running completely counter to the county's mandate to safeguard our vital water resources and regional hydrarology. This local disregard for environmental boundaries also directly conflicts with state intent under

561
02:38:52.720 --> 02:39:13.120
Florida statute section 379.2291 and Florida administrative code rule 68A-27. Commissioners, your legal responsibility is to ensure that comprehensive plan amendments remain consistent with our adopted conservation goals. Please deny

562
02:39:13.120 --> 02:39:30.880
this resoning request. Thank you. Thank you. >> Anyone else like to address P93? >> Anyone online? >> Um, my name and address again? >> Yes, please. >> Yes. >> Gabriel Quigley, 1759 James Road, Date

563
02:39:30.880 --> 02:39:45.760
City. >> And you've been sworn. >> Do I need to? >> Yes. >> Were you sworn? >> This parting of the agenda, you had need to be sworn. >> Right. Do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give? Is the truth. So help you God. >> So help me God. Yes. I'm just going to keep it quick for you

564
02:39:45.760 --> 02:40:03.040
guys. When I said that the re the land brokers and the developers and the retail companies are out of control, this is what I was talking about. These are the people who are coming to you asking you for an excuse for permission to make more money. They don't deserve

565
02:40:03.040 --> 02:40:21.520
it. Frankly, I don't think any of them do. We have enough of this in Pasco County. We don't need to sell off every piece of empty land just because it is empty. I have lived here my entire life. These people are sharks. Thank you.

566
02:40:21.520 --> 02:40:37.120
>> Okay. Anyone else from from the audience like to speak? I have a close closed public comment because there's no one online either. That's to the board. >> Approval commissioner. >> Discussion. No, I just want to state that this is a state transmitt and um

567
02:40:37.120 --> 02:40:53.120
essentially the board is seeking the state's input prior to the hearing of the comprehensive. >> No, it's the other one. >> This is the next one. >> This is zoning. >> Aren't we? >> 93 reszoning. >> Oh, it's not this one. Sorry. >> Okay. So, we have a first

568
02:40:53.120 --> 02:41:08.399
>> We have a motion. >> Motion a second. >> Second. >> I can second. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion passes and now we'll go to the comprehensive plan regular. >> All right. So, >> rivers transmitt.

569
02:41:08.399 --> 02:41:34.560
>> So, P94 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times April 22nd, 2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> Steph, good afternoon board. Robert Irving, Planning Development, Economic Growth. This is item P94. It's a comprehensive

570
02:41:34.560 --> 02:41:55.040
plan amendment CPA 2407 Catal Two Rivers providing for a transmitt of a comprehensive plan text amendment to sub area policy flu 7.1.11 Two Rivers PD. Oh yes, additionally, we have received uh letters of opposition that were

571
02:41:55.040 --> 02:42:18.240
submitted to the clerk's office after the posting of the agenda. All right. So again, this proposal is a comprehensive plan text amendment to policy flu 7.1.11 to Rivers PD to allow for an increase in residential dwelling units and non-residential entitlements

572
02:42:18.240 --> 02:42:33.760
on approximately 3,45 acres. And it's located on the north and south side of State Road 56 spanning from Morris Bridge Road to Gaul Boulevard, US 301. Again, there is the companion the sub area policy which is proposed to be amended in this text amendment. And then

573
02:42:33.760 --> 02:42:53.840
there is a companion reszoning RZ7856 Two Rivers MPUD. So here's the county location. The subject site is located in the South Market area and the urban concentration area. And here's the existing boundary of the

574
02:42:53.840 --> 02:43:11.600
overall Two Rivers PD. Now, here's a context map just kind of walking you through the various vision roads and collector roads throughout the overall development. So, you'll see on the western boundary there's Morris Bridge Road running through. As we go east, there's Two Rivers Boulevard,

575
02:43:11.600 --> 02:43:27.600
which runs north south. There's Colston Avenue that runs east. Then there's G Boulevard, US 301. And then in the northeast corner you'll see two dash lines. There's LGrass Boulevard and Coats Road. Those are not constructed at this point, but Lodgrass Boulevard PTE currently has site plans that we're

576
02:43:27.600 --> 02:43:47.680
reviewing to construct Lodgegrass Boulevard, which will provide access to both the county park and the school site. Now, these are the main changes proposed in the text amendment, and these are the maximum levels of development. So to just take a step back, the

577
02:43:47.680 --> 02:44:04.399
existing sub area was adopted in 2008 and there has been no changes since 2008. So the existing sub area policy allows for land use equivalency matrix to occur and several have several have occurred but the entitlements on the

578
02:44:04.399 --> 02:44:21.680
actual sub area tax have not been updated to reflect such. So, some of this is a cleanup and some of these are new additional requests that are new and non-trip neutral to the project. So, of the existing 1,125

579
02:44:21.680 --> 02:44:36.560
age restricted dwelling units, previously 912 have been exchanged to increase the multif family by 200 and the single family residential to 4,047. So, of the there, sorry, run back here.

580
02:44:36.560 --> 02:44:51.200
So there's 209 age restricted units remaining. So of the requested 900 additional multif family, 133 are contri cons considered to be trip neutral. And then there the applicant is requesting to add an additional 767

581
02:44:51.200 --> 02:45:08.960
which are non-trip neutral. The use of 300 assisted living facility beds, 480 hotel rooms, 705,000 ft of retail, and a water park not to exceed 35 acres. One last thing I'll note is when this sub area was

582
02:45:08.960 --> 02:45:27.000
adopted in 2008, it allowed for a maximum of 6,400 dwelling units. The proposal today is for 6,547 dwelling units. >> What was that number? Sorry. >> So the original was 6,400. Today they're asking for 6,547.

583
02:45:28.240 --> 02:45:44.399
>> So the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies. Section flu A6 PD plan development policy flu 7.1.11 Two Rivers PD policy flu 8.1.2 South Market Area Establishment

584
02:45:44.399 --> 02:46:01.040
policy flu 1.8.7 economic development policy flu 1.8.10 preservation of capacity for employment generating uses and policy HSG 1.1.2 comprehensive plan amendments policy ED 1.7.2 to promote tourism expansion.

585
02:46:01.040 --> 02:46:17.600
>> And this comes to you with a recommendation of approval to authorize transmitt of the proposed comprehensive plan amendment. I'm available if you have any questions. >> Any questions for staff? >> I do. >> M um for the

586
02:46:17.600 --> 02:46:33.680
>> Was this area of the county in designated an opportunity zone in years past? >> I believe it was. >> Yeah. Do we know what what year it was? But it was in an operator. I think that's

587
02:46:33.680 --> 02:46:49.359
important to know that >> only one >> iteration >> one iteration of it. So this so for history so this this whole area was in an opportunity zone and um >> interesting

588
02:46:49.359 --> 02:47:05.520
>> the opportunity came uh which is which is interesting as time time has gone on. So thought that was important to have on the record. Um because I I never thought that that

589
02:47:05.520 --> 02:47:22.560
would have ever happened to be quite honest with you, but times sure have changed. >> So follow that up. Is it still because I think they just re reaffirmed all the opportunity zones again, didn't they? >> No, no, they're they're getting picked. But >> Clark Kabby and uh Mr. Chairman, I am I

590
02:47:22.560 --> 02:47:39.840
am not sure is is the answer. But but if I might just lead you all through this because there's been a lot of I believe uh intentional misconstruction of this application online to further certain narratives about what's going on here.

591
02:47:39.840 --> 02:47:56.960
As you just heard from staff, the comp plan already allowed for many years 6,400 residential units here. We're seeking 6547. I heard people in the other hearing, yeah, that's about 2% difference we're

592
02:47:56.960 --> 02:48:13.600
asking for on the residential. We are asking for more commercial. We're excited to be asking for the approval for the surf park and we're asking for some more hotels because we think the surf park will bring in the need for more hotel night stays there. Um, this

593
02:48:13.600 --> 02:48:29.279
is not the MPUD, but if you look at what's going on here, the scope of the residential entitlements is not material to the scope of this development. What's important to remember in the bigger picture about Two Rivers is that Two

594
02:48:29.279 --> 02:48:46.319
Rivers has been planned since at least 2010 to be the eastern anchor of the urban service area and the South Market area. Except for Wiregrass and now Angelene, it's probably going to be the most important economic driver of the

595
02:48:46.319 --> 02:49:03.760
county for the next 50 years. It is being built out by Eisenhower uh Property Group and Eisenhower Property Group is building a high-end community, particularly on the south side of 56. They will spend over $50 million in

596
02:49:03.760 --> 02:49:19.040
landscaping and hardscape improvements alone south of 56. We've already sold, I believe, 120 something million plus dollar houses south of that area. We've already worked with the county and

597
02:49:19.040 --> 02:49:35.520
gotten the park regional park soul. We worked for years to align that with where the school site was going to go. The school sites there. We built all of the utilities at our cost, no county cost to go to the site and through the

598
02:49:35.520 --> 02:49:51.040
site. We have built several miles of vision roads through the site with no fee credits. If we were in VOP, connected city and certain other projects, they would have been fee creditable. We haven't asked for a penny. We have also built and are

599
02:49:51.040 --> 02:50:08.240
building about 10 miles of multi-use paths within this project. It's a great project. It's something you should be really proud of. I have Tony Miller here who can talk about the surf park, which I'm personally really excited about. and we anticipate will be a major regional

600
02:50:08.240 --> 02:50:23.520
and national draw to the site. We felt like that was one thing we were missing. We knew that we were light on commercial and that's the big change that you see here. We need more commercial. All the studies show that there just isn't enough commercial on this stretch of 56.

601
02:50:23.520 --> 02:50:39.760
But again, the reason why this 6.13 mile uh state road 56 extension was built from Meadow Point to 301 was this project and two other ones. And this was the biggest one. This project paid for

602
02:50:39.760 --> 02:50:56.560
about 60% of lanes 3 and four. And even after that, it will contribute approximately $50 million in mobility fees to the county. There's a lot to like here. Is the surf park done? Has a deal closed?

603
02:50:56.560 --> 02:51:12.000
>> Tony Miller is here and what he has told me and I I'll just say this on the record. It's very important to his project that the surf park approvals proceed as part of this. His equity investors have been patiently waiting while we work through with staff and the

604
02:51:12.000 --> 02:51:28.640
board to get these uh the project to this point. It's taken us over two years since the MPUD modification was filed to get to this point and we're not voting on that today. Today is just the transmitt of the plan amendment. But Tony says his investors are ready to go.

605
02:51:28.640 --> 02:51:44.720
He plans on filing for site plan approvals within a couple of months after the zoning is done. >> And as we talked, if that surf park does come together, you're not going to need as many apartments because you're going to want to have more commercial, >> right? And that but that's in the MPUD portion of it. But that will be part of

606
02:51:44.720 --> 02:52:01.439
the NPUD condition and the discussion after the transmitt comes back to us. >> Well, I think we're an important part of the conversation here because I >> we will not be adding any more apartments if the surf park isn't built. >> Okay. Very good. >> Happy to answer any other questions. Otherwise,

607
02:52:01.439 --> 02:52:19.800
>> the question our neighbors >> Okay, we'll go to public comment. >> All right. So, Michaela Krauss is the only person signed up in person and online, but since she's here, Please line up if anyone's else want to speak.

608
02:52:34.319 --> 02:52:49.920
Michaela Krauss, 35920, Praise Please, Unit 102, Zepher Hills, Florida 33541. I have sworn. Good afternoon, commissioners. I'm a resident here today to strongly urge urge you to deny the proposed comprehensive plan amendment

609
02:52:49.920 --> 02:53:07.439
affecting two rivers. After reviewing the Pasco County comprehensive plan, I find this proposal completely inconsistent with its adopted policies, chapter 5, policy 1.9.1. It is also highly inconsistent with chapter 5 policy 1.10.4, before which uh

610
02:53:07.439 --> 02:53:24.000
encourages um passive recreation within a neighborhood like this that has scattered conservation uh portion lots. Um it further violates chapter 2 policy 2.1.6. Um Indian Creek which sits within the

611
02:53:24.000 --> 02:53:40.560
water basin of and directly feeds into the Hillsboro River and outstanding Florida waterway. This directly risks degrading water quality that is already in a vulnerable state, running counter to Florida administrative code

612
02:53:40.560 --> 02:53:59.920
62-302.30. Critically, this property provides irreplaceable habitat for state and federally endangered uh flora like the clasping warriia sand butter sand butterfly pee, Florida golden ashture,

613
02:53:59.920 --> 02:54:17.600
and the federally protected mkasuki gooseberry under Florida statutes title 35 chapter chapter 581 section 185 and Florida administrative code rule 5b-40 0001. Um I also have been in contact

614
02:54:17.600 --> 02:54:34.880
with the permitting facility and they did not find any permitting that allows two rivers um to remove these natural endangered flora. Furthermore, I asked the board to look closely at goal con 2 of chapter 3 of the Pasco County

615
02:54:34.880 --> 02:54:50.000
comprehensive plan. This applicant has already demonstrated a complete disregard for these standards and Florida administrative code rule 62-296 320 governing open burning. I have sworn

616
02:54:50.000 --> 02:55:06.640
and I can verify that this past January 3rd and 4th of 2026, a massive unpermitted open burn took place on this exact Two Rivers property on Grande Dominion Drive that you can see from

617
02:55:06.640 --> 02:55:23.680
Morris Bridge Road. And I was driving at 45 miles an hour and could not get a picture. But where this little line is right here, that that top of that little circle in the sand, top of the circle all the way down

618
02:55:23.680 --> 02:55:39.760
to the bottom of the circle. You see it's dark. This was a burn pile. And I contacted the district of with Luchi Forest Service, Cassie. Me and her have been chatting it up. She has sent me the

619
02:55:39.760 --> 02:56:00.880
recent peritting paperwork. They didn't have permitting Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Please deny this. >> All right. Next person. >> Okay. Cindy Buckle, 5938 Frontier Drive, Zephr Hills, Florida. And I am asking,

620
02:56:00.880 --> 02:56:18.000
>> have you been sworn? >> Yes, I have been sworn. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Okay. I'm talking about water. Chapter 403, section 852025, Municipalities in Florida are required to provide portable water through public

621
02:56:18.000 --> 02:56:34.880
water systems which must comply with the Florida Safe Water Drinking Act. Now, we are going through a 25 year drought. Okay? Have any of you ever run out of water when you're in your shower?

622
02:56:34.880 --> 02:56:52.560
Anybody? I'm asking the question. I have. Okay. And right now I'm on a well and our pressure is dropping. And I also travel throughout Florida and Georgia and measure the springs myself. I have

623
02:56:52.560 --> 02:57:09.359
had conversations with Governor Kemp in Georgia regarding the water issues and I've let him know what's happening here in Florida in Pasco County is developers can pump

624
02:57:09.359 --> 02:57:27.040
33 million gallons a day for a lagoon. Now you want to build a 35 acre water park. >> Okay. So when I run out of water, what's going to happen? I'm not going to pay for city water to run down my road.

625
02:57:27.040 --> 02:57:42.960
I have horses. Right now, my water's testing with mercury in it. Okay? So, it's got to stop. At some point, you all have to stop. And the fires, they're not accidents. These there's no way these

626
02:57:42.960 --> 02:57:59.359
fires are accidents. I know for a fact someone on the board here personally had certain plants weeds burned because they didn't like them. That started a horrific fire. We are very dry right

627
02:57:59.359 --> 02:58:16.240
now. We are not getting the rain. Our aquafer is there's there's no way we can recoup the rain. So you keep pumping the 33 million gallon lagoons now a 35 acre water surf park. We don't need an

628
02:58:16.240 --> 02:58:30.880
adventure island out here. We have one that's not very far away. We don't need a 380 room hotel. This is going to cause thousands and thousands of more traffic on two-lane

629
02:58:30.880 --> 02:58:48.560
roads. 301 Morris Bridge Road. I can tell you the number of fatalities that happen on these roads every weekend. At least two to three people die on these roads. Whether they're on the Pasco side or the Hillsboro County side, it does not matter. When you put all those homes

630
02:58:48.560 --> 02:59:05.279
in, you're putting people on two lane roads because those roads aren't going to be widened for a long time. It took 25 years for 54 to get done up to Morris Bridge because I watched it happen. So

631
02:59:05.279 --> 02:59:22.160
I'm just praying to deny this. Okay. Thank you to the board. It's a submitt approval. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed?

632
02:59:22.160 --> 02:59:48.880
>> Okay. Item P95, conditional use. >> P95 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times May 27th, 2026 and by affidavit of certified millings and site postings. >> Good afternoon. Amy Tol with planning, development, and economic growth. Item

633
02:59:48.880 --> 03:00:05.520
before you is PTE 26-C3. additional use request. Um, and a >> Amy, do we have to do we have to have the whole presentation? >> It's up to you. >> No. Uh, can we find out? We Commissioner Mariano is going to miss his plane. >> Absolutely.

634
03:00:05.520 --> 03:00:24.720
>> Um, I just can we see if there's anyone here in opposition? >> Yep. >> Do you mind that? >> No, I think it's a good idea. >> You have an individual signed up. >> Okay. And who's that? >> This is Michaela. Michaela Krauss. >> Okay. I'm going to public comment. >> Michaela Kra. Michaela Krauss 35920

635
03:00:24.720 --> 03:00:40.720
Praise Place Unit 102 Zephr Hills, Florida 33541. I have sworn. Good afternoon, commissioners. I am here today on behalf of myself and my neighbors to urge you to deny the application for the proposed cell tower on the west side of Laner Road,

636
03:00:40.720 --> 03:00:56.880
approximately 2,300 ft south of Chansy Road. Our objection is grounded strictly in land use compatibility and public safety under Pasco County's own rules. According to Pasco County Land Development Code section 10002,

637
03:00:56.880 --> 03:01:14.560
a wireless tower adjacent to a residential zone must meet strict setback requirements to protect our homes. Specifically, unmitigated towers require a setback equal to two times the tower height from residential property lines. This proposed tower sits directly

638
03:01:14.560 --> 03:01:30.160
against our backyards. It completely fails to meet these mandatory safety buffers, placing a massive commercial structure directly inside the structural fall zone of our residential homesteads. Furthermore, Florida statute title 27,

639
03:01:30.160 --> 03:01:46.640
chapters 365, section 172 and Pasco County Code explicitly state that a new tower should only be built as a last resort. The applicant has a legal burden to prove that they cannot collocate

640
03:01:46.640 --> 03:02:02.720
their equipment on existing towers, utility poles, or commercial rooftops nearby. The applicant has not presented exhausting exhaustive engineering proof that has a brand new intrusive tower is the only solution for their coverage

641
03:02:02.720 --> 03:02:19.600
gap. We ask the board to hold the applicant to the strict letter of the law and reject this application for failing to exhaust nearby commercial alternatives. Finally, the Pasco County comprehensive plans future land use element mandates neighborhood

642
03:02:19.600 --> 03:02:36.000
stabilization and land use compatibility, placing a massive industriallooking tower directly towering over our beautiful backyards and establish generational family homesteads completely destroys the aesthetic integrity and character of our

643
03:02:36.000 --> 03:02:50.800
neighborhood. It is entirely incompatible with the surrounding residential zone. Commissioners, the rules in the land development code are there to protect the citizens and the homeowners who invest their lives into

644
03:02:50.800 --> 03:03:06.160
Pasco County. This application violates those protections. We ask you to enforce our local codes, uphold the comprehensive plan, and deny this application. And I know every single resident in that area that land they

645
03:03:06.160 --> 03:03:22.479
want to put it on has peacocks on it. And I can tell you right now, none of them know that this is happening. And that's why I'm here. I'm trying to stop this. Please listen to us. >> Can I Can I get your address again? >> 35920 Praise unit 102 Zephr Hills,

646
03:03:22.479 --> 03:03:37.279
Florida. And I swam in this Doc Holmes pool that is right right on Laner Road. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> There's no one else. >> All right. Any questions? Any Anyone else here for public comment for this

647
03:03:37.279 --> 03:03:55.600
item? >> Gabriel Quigley, 17595 James Road, Dade City. >> I don't know my code as well as Miss Krauss here, >> but she is right. No, that's >> And now I just would like to say for the record because I'm standing in front of

648
03:03:55.600 --> 03:04:11.359
people that my tax dollars pay that I don't care if these LLC's get everything above board. I don't care if they make it all pretty and accessible. I don't want to drive by it. The difference between listening to us and them is that

649
03:04:11.359 --> 03:04:29.800
they have money. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else for public comment? Anyone online? >> No, sir. Okay, back to the board. >> I cannot I cannot find Grace Place. Did you say Grace Place?

650
03:04:30.640 --> 03:04:47.520
>> We're done with public comment. >> No, but she answered her question. >> I want to see if it's going to fall in our backyard like she said. What What's your address? >> My address is 35920 Praise Place as in >> Oh, Praise Place, not Praise. And I'm here today on behalf of people who don't

651
03:04:47.520 --> 03:05:01.600
have a voice, who aren't here, because I love them and they are my family and my friends. Thank you. >> Crazy. >> There's a document in your in your uh package

652
03:05:01.600 --> 03:05:19.359
that shows a 250 foot fall radius um in what looks like improved pasture. Um but you need to hear from the applicant. Okay, the applicant. >> The tower is right down here. Tower's

653
03:05:19.359 --> 03:05:35.840
going down here. >> Hey, good afternoon. James Johnston with Shutzen, 300 South Orange Avenue, uh, representing the applicant. Um, you know, we're in agreement with the staff report, which we think supports this application along with the county's outside consultant and the planning

654
03:05:35.840 --> 03:05:52.160
commission. Um, as far as um, fall zone, I think we provided a fall zone letter, but I do note that it's 149 foot tower and it's set back over that, well over that from all property owns. >> But I'm here to answer any questions if you have one.

655
03:05:52.160 --> 03:06:09.040
>> Chair, I assume every all the proper noticing requirements and everybody in the area was notified with the mail and know that this is >> a potential. Okay. She lives here. >> Yep. I mean, we we followed all the

656
03:06:09.040 --> 03:06:23.840
county, >> right? So, everybody was notified. >> Yeah. >> Amy told Planning and Development, I can confirm that. Um, so at the beginning of this application, we did receive various letters of objection. Um, through that

657
03:06:23.840 --> 03:06:39.840
process, we actually worked with the applicant to um reduce the height and enhance the landscape buffering. And as a result, those uh letters of opposition, people who did previously have opposition are aren't here. So,

658
03:06:39.840 --> 03:06:55.040
we've worked with them to resolve those issues. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. To the board. >> Yeah. It's not going to fall on her backyard. It's not falling on anyone's backyard. So, I just wanted to be sure because that would not be good.

659
03:06:55.040 --> 03:07:11.760
>> Well, cell towers are a critical piece of our infrastructure. They're not pretty, but we all have cell phones and computers and iPads and just the way our world communicates and >> they're just part of our world for now.

660
03:07:11.760 --> 03:07:27.359
So with that, I move approve. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? >> Okay, we're going to move back to our our items. >> And if we could, I'd like to go right to

661
03:07:27.359 --> 03:08:12.479
R78 first. >> Yep. Hello, Amy Frell, budget director with the Office of Management and Budget. I'm here with item R78 or OM 260056. They were supposed to be there. So while the presentation is being pulled up um

662
03:08:12.479 --> 03:08:30.240
so high level the purpose of this item is for the board to approve proposed millage rates for the trim millages that will go out on property tax notices and also set the date time and location for our first public hearing. We did u two

663
03:08:30.240 --> 03:08:46.479
very indepth workshops one in June and one in July. So the content for today is going to be a highle summary and recap of those meetings and then moving to the meat and potatoes of the presentation which is setting those millage rates. And again when we set the millage rates

664
03:08:46.479 --> 03:09:04.000
today we are setting the ceiling on those millage rates. When we come back in September for the first and final public hearings those u millage rates can come down. They just can't come up from what the board sets today. All right. So, I'm going to move us

665
03:09:04.000 --> 03:09:21.520
through. Um, so we have had a pretty extensive budget cycle up to this point. In January, we looked at strategic plan prioritization and officially kicked off our budget cycle internally. In February, we did updates on major revenue projections. Um, and we briefed

666
03:09:21.520 --> 03:09:37.359
the board on all of the Advil Valorum funded services and resource allocations. March through May, we were refining our budgets with all of our departments internally. In June and July, again, we did some thorough workshops. It included constitutional officer budget workshops

667
03:09:37.359 --> 03:09:53.279
and then the boardside operating capital and we reviewed our debt portfolio. Today, we'll be setting trim and then in September, we're going to come back for the first and final public hearings to adopt the budget. concerns. >> And here you can see the budget that we

668
03:09:53.279 --> 03:10:09.840
that the county administrator is proposing is based on board direction and is responsive to executing the board strategic plan while also ensuring strong fiscal stewardship. >> Oh no, no, we have building. >> All right. So the underlying pinnings and assumptions of this budget, we are

669
03:10:09.840 --> 03:10:26.479
assuming no change in the operating mill rate in the fire MSTU mill rate in the road rehabilitation MSTU mill rate or the parks mill rate. Also no change in the storm water assessment and no change in the solid waste rates and the water and wastewater rates are increased per

670
03:10:26.479 --> 03:10:43.680
the approved rate study. And there are some pressures um that are impacting the budget that's in front of you right now. We've got property tax reform pending in November on how that ballot initiative shakes out. Um we are looking at addressing structural

671
03:10:43.680 --> 03:11:00.240
imbalance in the general fund, making sure that our recurring revenue um can sustain our recurring expenses while also maintaining our reserve levels. We've got public safety staffing wage and benefits. That's always kind of a pressure that's out there. General inflation, we have public facilities

672
03:11:00.240 --> 03:11:17.680
that we must maintain. We've got um Wesley Chapel Library coming online soon. We've got Villages of Pasadena Hills Nature and Bike Park. And then of course um Medicaid rates that come from the state each year. All right. So in June we got preliminary

673
03:11:17.680 --> 03:11:34.240
taxable assessed values and you can see for the general fund we were looking at 6.3% increase and then the final numbers did come in for July and it's at 6.8%. To put this into some context, our growth last year was at 11.2. 2% and then this year you see how that growth

674
03:11:34.240 --> 03:11:53.279
is um it's coming down and we're at 6.8%. So now let's talk a little bit about that structural balance in the general fund. So here's the general fund at the 50,000 ft view. So we've got a starting um estimated beginning fund balance of next year of just under 89 million with

675
03:11:53.279 --> 03:12:09.680
5 almost 83 million in revenue coming in and 586 million going out in expenses. our recurring revenue is a little bit above our recurring expenses and you can see from the non-recurring line that um we're putting some of that recurring

676
03:12:09.680 --> 03:12:28.080
revenue back into reserves and we are able to meet the GFOA recommendation of 60 days by doing that. All right, so here's a pie chart that just illustrates how the general fund expenses are allocated with more than 50% going to public safety. That

677
03:12:28.080 --> 03:12:44.160
includes the sheriff, corrections, um, emergency management, juvenile detention, the medical examiner, things like that. If we just follow clockwise, then you see that reserves, again, we're hovering around that 60-day target. And then if you keep going, we're looking at

678
03:12:44.160 --> 03:13:00.000
mandated and internal support service. So mandated support um when we start talking about services that the state mandates for us to provide and maybe it comes with a funding source and maybe it doesn't having open meetings like this today that's a state mandate we're

679
03:13:00.000 --> 03:13:15.279
mandated to do it but there is no funding associated how we fund that is through advalorum taxes our 911 call center um that also gets a subsidy out of the general fund that's a mandated service and the funding tied to that is not enough to cover um and then

680
03:13:15.279 --> 03:13:31.920
maintaining our public facilities. You can see here in that blue, that's roughly $35 million for us to maintain beautiful buildings like this. And if we keep coming, that red chart, that's our other constitutionals minus the sheriff and our six judicial circuit partners. And then if you keep moving to that

681
03:13:31.920 --> 03:13:49.399
green bit, that's our outward facing. And then you can see over in the table, that's our parks, community services, libraries, misdemeanor probation. We had a resolution with them here this morning. um our veteran services also falls into that piece of the pie chart.

682
03:13:51.439 --> 03:14:05.920
All right. So, what are some of the things that um we need to be funding out of our general fund? So, we're looking at 3% wage increase. We've got retirement rates back from the state. We are expanding the jail. Um Wesley Chapel Library, we're looking at some

683
03:14:05.920 --> 03:14:21.279
operational expenses, onetime startup costs in 27 and then fully funding the personnel in 28. Um Medicaid, you can see here, was a 6% increase over last year. We've got some one-time operating costs to stand up the VOP, nature, and

684
03:14:21.279 --> 03:14:37.279
bike park ops. And then the union wages are still in negotiation, so we don't know what that's going to end up shaking out to be. All right. So, um, last week we did a really deep dive into the change in our major fund. So, I'm just going to hit

685
03:14:37.279 --> 03:14:53.840
some highlights here today. So, general fund, um, some of the major increases there. We've got sheriff's budget, corrections for the expansion staffing, contracts for inmate health care and food services, and then we also have some decreases in there where we're

686
03:14:53.840 --> 03:15:10.960
taking the rescue related services out of the general fund and moving those into the fire MSTU fund. So you can see how that one is increasing. And also embedded in that increase is staffing for station four and an additional fire fire truck at station 24. I think I got

687
03:15:10.960 --> 03:15:30.399
those numbers right. All right. We spent a lot of time last also talking about >> Is that echoing? I'm sorry that >> that was weird. >> I know. Okay. That was a glitch in the matrix. All right. Getting back to task. [laughter] All right. So, we spent a lot of time

688
03:15:30.399 --> 03:15:48.160
last week doing a deep dive into our five-year capital plan. And so, again, I'll hit some highlights just as a friendly reminder today. So, looking at the um the fire bit, we've got two stations that they're planning to build in the next 5 years, station 31 and 42.

689
03:15:48.160 --> 03:16:03.840
Um for parks, one of the major projects there is uh the Conerton District Park. If you move down a little bit with me to public works, that line right there is the capital plan funded by the road MSTU. Um, moving down for solid waste.

690
03:16:03.840 --> 03:16:22.720
One of the big components of their CIP is maintaining their waste to energy plant. Um, and utilities, they've got things like wastewater treatment plant expansions, the east and west maintenance facilities, and then lake bridge transmission transmission lines.

691
03:16:22.720 --> 03:16:37.439
All right. All right. So then if we look at the big summary of our transportation capital plan, we're looking at roughly 376 million of capacity projects, 68 million in sidewalks and trails, about 39 million in signal projects over the

692
03:16:37.439 --> 03:16:56.239
next five years. All right, so now we're at our millage rate slide. And so this is really the I'll call it the meat and potatoes of what the board's taking action on today. And it is setting those proposed millage rates. And again, those are the millage rates that are going to go out on property tax notices next month. It is

693
03:16:56.239 --> 03:17:13.840
the ceiling um of of what the millage rates will end up being. We can always come down at the final public hearings. We just cannot come up. And so this table represents the county administrator's proposed millage rates compared to our current year actual adopted millage.

694
03:17:13.840 --> 03:17:30.319
And so you can see right now there's no change being proposed. Now when you look at the general obligation bonds, um so these are these mill rates are set to generate just enough revenue to pay annual debt service for those different obligations. And so you can see that the

695
03:17:30.319 --> 03:17:48.000
growth in the county that we're experiencing translates into lower payments per parcel to end up accumulating the same revenue we need to for debt service. Now this um next slide and it's my I think it's my second to last slide. Um, this is how property tax notices would

696
03:17:48.000 --> 03:18:15.640
go out with these proposed millages. The state requires us to compare those to the rolled back rate. All right. So, board discussion around our proposed military. >> I think your next slide is a big one.

697
03:18:21.680 --> 03:18:36.960
Oh, we have another one after that. >> I thought we had the addendum. >> I didn't bring my notes from my meeting. >> I have an exciting proposal for Commissioner Mariana. [clears throat] >> I'm interested. Go ahead, Commissioner. >> Shall we pull up supplemental slides? >> Yes.

698
03:18:36.960 --> 03:18:58.479
>> Yeah. Thank you, Gina. All right. Do we have it? So based on the fire STU, so parks is out of it. And as you know, I've been advocating and we've been incrementally

699
03:18:58.479 --> 03:19:15.439
restructuring our budget where MSTUs at zero take five votes. With an MSTU that's existing, you can move it with four votes. But I don't necessarily want to get into a a squabble. But if we do an

700
03:19:15.439 --> 03:19:31.040
incremental uh reduction, so for the fire MSTU moving rescue, we can move essentially 50% like the like for like discussion, the like for like move. So

701
03:19:31.040 --> 03:19:46.399
if we were to move, what's the full millage rate for rescue that we were talking about before that we had in our It's changed a little bit from your briefings with the final calculations. It was around.3, but I think right now it's about.199.

702
03:19:46.399 --> 03:20:03.680
>> So point this is this is what >> so this would assume the maximum amount that we would need the fire MSTU millage rate to be to fully absorb rescue without any half cent sales tax subsidy from the general fund. And so based off

703
03:20:03.680 --> 03:20:20.319
our July final taxable assessed value, that millage rate would shake out to be 2.3224, which is an increase of.1 9999 mills, which would require five votes at the final public hearing in September. >> So

704
03:20:20.319 --> 03:20:35.520
irregardless, we'll have to do this exercise for the fire. But if if if the concern um to incrementally get us there, we can move about half or 50% of that millage and cut that 50% from the general

705
03:20:35.520 --> 03:20:51.920
operating which would show a decrease in the general operating like like for like for the fire MSTU and then move 50% and show an increase in the firearm MSTU even though it's a wash. It's just a restructuring of the budget like >> but you and I know it's a wash but will the public know it's a wash? Either way,

706
03:20:51.920 --> 03:21:06.560
we're going to have to go through this exercise, whether it's today or next year. So, if we do it now, my opinion is is it locks in at least even 50% of that full millage rate and it cuts the difference

707
03:21:06.560 --> 03:21:22.720
of of what we're doing, whether property whether the property tax issue passes or not, what it does is it helps to codify that funding. It helps to grow that fund by what was it, Mike? because it compounds over the next 12 months. It'll

708
03:21:22.720 --> 03:21:38.640
help grow that fund and pad the fire fund for those services versus the general operating fund being padded growing by with interest. I'm probably using the wrong vernacular here, but the compounding interest effect will go into the fire fund versus the general

709
03:21:38.640 --> 03:21:55.760
operating fund which will benefit the fire MSTU. And so I know the concern based on the parks knows that commission being sensitive to Commissioner Mariano's point was too much movement in the general operating millillage. But I

710
03:21:55.760 --> 03:22:12.640
viewed this as if we were able to do 50% hypothetically, which you can do that with four votes instead of five, that it would it would help get the fire fund to work need to to get rescue and then do the other the remaining balance

711
03:22:12.640 --> 03:22:27.600
next year. Either way, we're going to have to go through this. But if we do it sooner than later, betting, if you're betting or planning that the property tax issue passes, you're padding that fire rescue fund, which my opinion builds it, and then it's less that

712
03:22:27.600 --> 03:22:42.880
potentially have to worry about for next budget cycle. Now, this is just all Seth theory here. Um Amy and Mike could probably help articulate it a little bit better, but I was just looking at ways of compounding funds and interest while still working to try to do lifelike and

713
03:22:42.880 --> 03:22:58.880
restructure the budget without getting too complicated. But no matter what, this is the exercise that this board is going to have to follow whether it's this budget cycle or next budget cycle. So >> you mean next year? >> Yes. >> Yeah.

714
03:22:58.880 --> 03:23:14.399
>> So it doesn't really matter. I mean whether people are going to see a decrease in general operating mills and an increase in the fire rescue MSTU these are the the mechanisms and the methodologies we have to follow. So it doesn't matter when they see it they're

715
03:23:14.399 --> 03:23:30.080
going to see it no matter what. So, but I'm I'm of the mindset of let's keep increment increment incrementally restructuring the budget and at least going through and getting the the fire MSTU work done that we don't have to

716
03:23:30.080 --> 03:23:46.960
worry about it. We're >> going to be half of it. >> Well, that's with four votes. If Commissioner Mariano comes on and supports it, that's five votes. So, I'm saying with four votes because >> you're only saying to move half of it, >> right? That's that's if Commissioner Mariano says no, I don't want to do anything with the MSTU because MSTU is

717
03:23:46.960 --> 03:24:04.880
funded. If a fund if an MSTU is funded, the board can make a millage rate adjustment with four votes and it's roughly 50% of what it would get to with the five votes. >> But are are you suggesting to move half of it or a section of it over this year

718
03:24:04.880 --> 03:24:20.640
and the other section >> essent essentially half of it, but I want to pitch it out there. Commissioner Mariano because he was uncomfortable with a number of different things. Um >> you can go to 110% with four votes under the new law. >> Well, we don't need to do that.

719
03:24:20.640 --> 03:24:36.479
>> Yeah. But I'd like to see the board be unified and if make sure everybody's get comfortable as we're going through this exercise because >> 110% of roll back >> of roll back, right? Which is why the numbers are a little wonky. They're they're a little lower actually than what we did. So actually you're moving it >> a little more than 50%. What the

720
03:24:36.479 --> 03:24:53.760
commissioner is suggesting here is is an incremental approach to it. I mean, this was the path that the board was on prior to workshop discussions um and then property tax reform which which kind of complicated things. The path was was to take go to scenario go to motion. Let me

721
03:24:53.760 --> 03:25:08.960
just walk through this real >> because no matter what we're funding rescue out the general fund budget. We're going to have to do that again. So it it's a story. It's contrary to what the fire rescue MSTU is for. >> So, >> let me let me walk through it real quick

722
03:25:08.960 --> 03:25:24.560
just some options because we've kind of laid laid this out in a way that hopefully will be easier for the board to consider. Amy, next slide. So, motion one would be no change to the operating millillage. This is what we took away from from the workshop, right? After after all the conversations that were

723
03:25:24.560 --> 03:25:42.399
had, this is this was the direction that uh that we took from that and this is what's been presented to you today. Motion two is the path that we were on prior really prior to the workshop. At the beginning of the year, we were looking less less a parks MSTU, right? Parks is still set at

724
03:25:42.399 --> 03:25:57.439
zero under this scenario, but the original board direction was let's let's move rescue out of the general fund into the fire fund. And so that's actually the number uh that that is is the right number.1999. It's that's much it's lower than what we

725
03:25:57.439 --> 03:26:12.800
had originally anticipated. Um you'll see that parks is zero but the originally we were looking at cutting parks by a like amount. At the end of our workshop it was discussed that this is this year there's a lot going on and and maybe that's that's complicated and so if you start showing a cut and a

726
03:26:12.800 --> 03:26:29.840
reduction in different places on the uh on the trim notice that could create confusion motion. Now the difference here is that we are showing this now in in the context of the voting requirements that are needed for each of these at the final public hearing. This

727
03:26:29.840 --> 03:26:46.319
hearing for TRIM only requires simple majority vote, but when we get to the final public hearing, this this motion, especially for the fire and rescue MSTU, would require uh unanimous consent to the board in order to do that. the operating millillage would require four

728
03:26:46.319 --> 03:27:02.880
consenting votes in order to to make that happen. Motion three is is sort of the hybrid of what what Commissioner Weightman is is referring to. It's in line uh and it's in line with what we've discussed previously. Um but provides

729
03:27:02.880 --> 03:27:18.560
consideration for a four vote requirement. Um so basically as as Commissioner Weman says, you're you're sort of taking a bite at the apple. Um but you would have to take another bite at the apple next year as well. And so I I think the point he's trying to make is well we're we're going to make some

730
03:27:18.560 --> 03:27:34.319
incremental pro progress. Um ultimately it's a policy call. We've solved the technical issues related to the budget with with it this year with half cent sales tax. So we've been able to it's we've been able to balance it. I would say that next year regardless of what

731
03:27:34.319 --> 03:27:50.720
you do here you would either need to finish the job or do the whole job next year. >> Yes. So, >> so Commissioner, I I think I'm in agreement with you. >> Thank you. That feels good. >> Um I I think it does >> there's something wrong with it. >> It does take a little more conversation

732
03:27:50.720 --> 03:28:07.920
with the public to let them know that we're building our MSUs in important arenas where the growth will stay with them and kind of protect them in the future. And I think that's the way that what we want to do and that's how we explain it. Um, and I on the big

733
03:28:07.920 --> 03:28:24.239
picture, I'll tell you where I am. So, you know, I if we weren't having this debate on property tax craziness like we are, I would even today want to say let's just roll that mills back just a little bit like we have done for the

734
03:28:24.239 --> 03:28:40.880
last three years, four years. >> Last three years. >> Yeah. And so, um, today I think we need to stay where we are, but maybe do that fire MSTU and, um, I mean rescue. But I think, um, at

735
03:28:40.880 --> 03:28:56.239
our final budget here, a board, you know, when we have to do our final one, is that October? >> So, at the end of September, you would have your final your final budget uh, your budget adoption hearing, and that is where you will vote on the final on the final mill. So if you reduce village

736
03:28:56.239 --> 03:29:13.120
to 7.2593, >> we will need four votes in the affirmative to solidify that. Or >> I would not do that to us. >> If you wanted to cut it, you you could do that, too. But you would also need four votes in the affirmative to make the 2.2674. If you had less than that, then you

737
03:29:13.120 --> 03:29:29.840
would be stuck at 2.1225 or some other number in between. So my suggestion is is is I wish it was October and not September, but I guess yeah, we start October 1st and um but we need to see where the polling is because I on the

738
03:29:29.840 --> 03:29:45.840
amendment passing and then we have to make a then we you know then we say hail Mary. Uh you know um >> I have one poll to do right now though. >> What? >> I want to do one poll right now. >> Okay, >> Commissioner Jagger. >> [laughter]

739
03:29:45.840 --> 03:30:01.279
>> Um I'm >> that's where I am. >> I'm for I'm for the 72593. >> Is that the roll back rate? >> Oh, that's the fire. >> No, that would be the reduction in the general operating on number three. Yeah. Right. So, you are increasing the fire

740
03:30:01.279 --> 03:30:17.600
rescue MSTU by a like amount, >> right? So, but you were saying that you were keeping you want to keep it same, which would be 7. >> Well, no. I I would I would do what Seth is talking about today. Um but it keeps us the same amount of money right now.

741
03:30:17.600 --> 03:30:31.680
It's just as a a little bit has moved into a different category. So the PE people will see on the total it's the same. It's just that part of that millillage has moved into the rescue MSTU.

742
03:30:31.680 --> 03:30:48.880
Um, so if so then if we look so in September if it looks like that amendment isn't isn't going to pass I would continue our slight roll back in our military that we have been doing for the last 3 four years just just incremental just a little bit

743
03:30:48.880 --> 03:31:04.800
>> you know we get an argument here >> I know well I've I've said that every year >> sometimes you just want too big you want to go bald and I just want a little haircut >> all right so [laughter] so commissioner Jerger this this one here would taking the millillage back down from the operating,

744
03:31:04.800 --> 03:31:21.279
we're adding into the fire rescue. The bottom line number the people are going to pay is the same. >> It's the same. Yeah. >> You okay with that? >> Stay the same. And I'm going to say part of my thing from the workshop that we had is I just didn't want to make this too complex where I depended on someone with five votes >> when I may not get it and all of a

745
03:31:21.279 --> 03:31:37.120
sudden it changes and now we're putting ourselves in a bad position. >> So with that, I'm okay with this motion three. Yeah, it's a it's it's continu it's a good little our three years >> I think we can tell the story >> of restructuring and it's look we've moved rescue in this is your designated

746
03:31:37.120 --> 03:31:52.720
money and when people understand look this fund can't be robbed and your fire and rescue services are protected >> rescue >> I've not come across anybody who opposes it in fact they prefer it because they can see it >> I think you may I normally stay out of the policy discussions but since it's my

747
03:31:52.720 --> 03:32:09.120
last board meeting [laughter] >> wait a minute I I think I think you're going to you'll do a putting the money into the fire and rescue is an easier cell should be an easier cell to the public with the

748
03:32:09.120 --> 03:32:23.920
corresponding cut to the general operating. >> Yeah. >> I mean, if the board's I'd rather I mean I' I'd do the whole thing now. I mean, either way, we're going to have to go through this exercise. So, this is 50% of what needs to happen. I'd be willing

749
03:32:23.920 --> 03:32:40.160
to do the 400% then that that fire rescue MSCU is done. It is done. It's no more parts next year >> and then it's no more work to be done and it's the same premise whether you do 50% or the 50 and do the full and then that restructuring of that fund is finished. >> What's that number

750
03:32:40.160 --> 03:32:57.600
>> like we are we are we are there and then we can go and work. >> But I but I just don't want to put because you never know what's going to happen. I don't put anything on where I have to have five votes for any part of it. This four, this four is a great idea. I'm sensitive to that. >> Great. And it's a and I and I'm very pleased that you come up with this idea.

751
03:32:57.600 --> 03:33:13.920
It's I think it's brilliant. >> So, I think that works good. We get the millage cut we want, but there's still protected fire rescue. We only need four votes. And I feel very strongly that we're going to get that done. I don't want to go through one of the first year battling. This here, I think, is something that's it's good for everybody. I think it's uh it it shows

752
03:33:13.920 --> 03:33:30.319
well for the commission cutting again at the same time protecting fire and rescue which is what we need to do to keep the service up where people want it >> because now let's talk let's talk about the overall polling with the property tax. So from everything that's out there and I guess the last three have failed

753
03:33:30.319 --> 03:33:45.920
but this is a different time. This is affordability time. So, I think when people see what we've done here and people look at what the county actually does, when when they look at the parks, uh, when they look at the libraries, when they look at the public safety things around it, when they look at

754
03:33:45.920 --> 03:34:03.040
social services, I think people are going to look to say, you know what, we're not changing the public safety benefit. We're protecting schools. That's 75%. So, all this big haoo is all about 25%. And what we saw today from Sean, I think

755
03:34:03.040 --> 03:34:18.239
they said, matter of fact, I got the numbers here. From 2021 to 2025, the state government budget went up 50%. >> Yeah. >> What was our number? I don't think we're much different. So, they're going to tell us how to go cut, how to go run the

756
03:34:18.239 --> 03:34:33.600
county when they just did the same thing in the state and they couldn't even get a cut on on their sales tax. They talk about a quarter percent. And when I look at Florida Tax Watch, where they got to they would have to go to offset all these things that are out there. They got to go from 6% to 15% in the sales

757
03:34:33.600 --> 03:34:49.040
tax. That would kill the panhandle and all those small counties. And with the declining revenues coming, I mean, I think they're open up a can of worms. I think people are going to wake up and say, you know what, we don't like this idea. We like the way Florida's running. We like what we're doing. We like what quality of life is. And I think this

758
03:34:49.040 --> 03:35:04.319
board can be proud of everything we've done over the years and and where we're going for direction-wise. So I I I think that number at 64% the first polls I saw is going down and I and I saw USA Today who did a poll they used 3% more Democrats and Republicans but that

759
03:35:04.319 --> 03:35:21.120
number showed it dropping and losing at 54%. And I mean 54% supported not not doing it so they only got 46. So I I think you know between protecting schools protecting public safety I think people protect are going to want to protect

760
03:35:21.120 --> 03:35:41.600
their quality of life. That's important. >> I think we got a good first step. We We got something that looks good to the public and I think that when they look at the numbers at the bottom of the line of the tax bill, I think they're going to be happy. >> Okay. Is that a motion? >> Yeah. >> Also, I want to clarify be I want to

761
03:35:41.600 --> 03:35:58.880
clarify. So, there's two things that um we'll be making a motion on. And so it sounds like it would be motion three for the proposed millage rates and then also setting the first public hearing for Wednesday, September 9th, 2026 at 5:15 p.m. here in Date City in this room.

762
03:35:58.880 --> 03:36:18.640
>> So question chair. So we would so the maximum general operating mills on the trim notice would go out as 7.2593. >> Yes. Okay, >> do I have a motion?

763
03:36:18.640 --> 03:36:36.080
>> Uh, the motion that everybody seemed to like, >> which we motion number three. >> We have a motion or second >> with Amy's date >> for the first public. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Okay. >> All right. >> Um, can we can we point out um that I

764
03:36:36.080 --> 03:36:51.725
just just asked why is Mr. Monopoly um sitting in the audience? [laughter] >> Today's the day. >> So, he lost a bed. I just just want everyone to know >> or he's winning a bet. One of the ways >> that's a monopoly man. >> So >> it's a cross between a bet and a dare.

765
03:36:51.725 --> 03:37:07.760
[laughter] >> All right. So I'm going to pass the gabble to Commissioner Waitman. I'm going to I've got a flight I got to connect to go to Nico. So I'm leaving a little bit early for the presentations. >> Yeah. >> Thank you all very much. >> All right. >> Thank you, Jack.

766
03:37:07.760 --> 03:37:22.720
>> Have a safe trip. >> Be safe. >> Give Seth the hammer. Yeah. >> I don't really need it, but All right. Committee reports. Commissioner Oakley, >> actually, sir, we have one more regular item still. >> Oh, see, already messing up. >> What's wrong with you?

767
03:37:22.720 --> 03:37:39.040
>> I mean, how can you not >> uh R76 JP? >> Thank you. >> Um, for the record, JP Murphy, director of building construction services. I have been sworn in. >> You're welcome, Mike. So, um, earlier in

768
03:37:39.040 --> 03:37:54.720
the morning session, we talked about the effects of House Bill 803. There are six big effects that affect the building construction services department. Three of them are tackled through this resolution. And the primary business of the resolution is to change our fee structure for those commercial fee types

769
03:37:54.720 --> 03:38:11.600
and other fee chart types that were based on valuation and converting them to a per square foot charge. Uh let's see what was this. >> So uh I will not follow this agenda because it is late in the evening. But real quick, we haven't talked to you about building fees since 2008, if you

770
03:38:11.600 --> 03:38:27.439
can believe it. We've not changed the building fees since that time frame. There have been some additions of a technology fee and some unlicensed contracting fee, but by and large, we not talked about fee increases or structures since that time frame. So, BCS fund is special revenue fund. We

771
03:38:27.439 --> 03:38:43.040
operate like a business. We are not at all tax supported. So, we don't get uh involved in a lot of the tax amendment conversations that we just had. Uh it should be understood though that all of the funds that BCF BCS collects is for the use of the Florida building code and

772
03:38:43.040 --> 03:38:59.359
is very limited in the the expenditures that it can be spent on. Um we do have five principal ser fee types. We have general base fee, a site review fee, planning um plan review fee, and then what we will call building permitting fees. That's going to cover your

773
03:38:59.359 --> 03:39:15.680
structural, your mechanical, your electrical, and your plumbing fees. And then finally, some ancillary um service fees. Just just to be clear, our 21104 fund or building services fund may not fund planning, zoning, other governmental uh activities um not

774
03:39:15.680 --> 03:39:33.120
related to obtaining a permit. You can't fund permits not related to um activities not related to enforcement of the Florida building code or any other ordinance. So that that is to say that you can't take some money out of the BCS fund to go do some other fun stuff

775
03:39:33.120 --> 03:39:49.120
>> without a legal opinion. >> What's that? >> Without a legal opinion. >> That's correct. You know, we'll we'll miss having your legal opinion on these things. We love asking that question. Um so I mentioned House Bill 803, the the the key driver of why we're before you today. The top three things, the

776
03:39:49.120 --> 03:40:05.359
elimination of valuebased inspection fees. There are some new permit exemptions I will briefly discuss. And then we have some additional fee reductions for thirdparty inspections, also known as private provider inspections. Couple other things you should know about is there's some expanded timelines for single family

777
03:40:05.359 --> 03:40:21.680
permit expirations. It's either one year or three years depending on when that permit comes in. Um we all we've already discussed the manufactured homes and there will be a uniform building application. in our Asella program is going to be handling the programming of that for us because they have so many

778
03:40:21.680 --> 03:40:36.720
customers in the state it's not really a concern for us. Some fee considerations I talked about we we've not uh significantly increased the fees and that's not what we're doing here. Um we are simply changing one structure from another. We've used the term that this

779
03:40:36.720 --> 03:40:53.920
is a band-aid fix. We have engaged Stantech to do a full fee study to look at what it costs to provide the services that that the building construction services uh provides. We expect that study to be complete and in front of you by the end of quarter 4. So there may be

780
03:40:53.920 --> 03:41:10.319
some short-term upset with how the structure works if you compared some projects prior to to this structure change, but it will be short-lived because a full fee study is going to come to you in the fourth quarter of the year. Um, most of our projects, particularly on the residential side,

781
03:41:10.319 --> 03:41:27.279
are already charged a flat fee or per square foot fee. But on your commercial projects, you know, m from mild to wild, they were always charged on evaluation basis. And this isn't a problem that's unique to Tabas Pasco County. Uh, of our neighboring counties, four of the five were still using evaluationbased

782
03:41:27.279 --> 03:41:42.160
systems. So, they're faced with this problem as well. So, for comparison purposes to provide you, well, what will it cost? That data wasn't really available because it's all over the place. So, I mentioned the five fees. We're only going to touch the two fees, the our admin fee and our permit inspection

783
03:41:42.160 --> 03:41:58.640
fees. Um, the methodology here is I took three years worth of commercial data particular because commercial is mostly what this affects. Took three years of data. I looked at not only the the straight line averages, we looked at where projects fell and we kind of we

784
03:41:58.640 --> 03:42:15.200
did some weighted average based on the number of overall permits in those and kind of tried to find the best fit number that recovered just the revenue we would have recovered if we charged it under a square foot basis. So what that um what that led us to is our

785
03:42:15.200 --> 03:42:31.040
residential permits. We already had language in the current resolution that just says charge it per square foot. And so, Commissioner Starky, to your comments earlier this this morning when Sean Foster was talking about that $3 million home wouldn't get charged based on $3 million of value. It would have

786
03:42:31.040 --> 03:42:47.520
gotten charged on the three I believe you said it was 3,000 square foot or whatever the size of the home was. So, it would have get get charged the per square foot for that. So, similarly, so you only >> they got charged they got charged on the value of the home. >> Correct. And that's what we're we're we're fixing on the commercial side and

787
03:42:47.520 --> 03:43:03.040
eliminating on the residential side. We are >> we don't do that, do we? We do. >> Oh, you're kidding me. >> Yeah. So, we don't need more if you pass this resolution. >> Okay. No, we shouldn't be doing that. >> We need less regulation. >> I I mean, it it's just by the time, not

788
03:43:03.040 --> 03:43:19.840
by the value. >> Correct. Yeah. So, our one of the things that our fee study is going to look at is how long do does plan review inspections, you know, there's 27 inspections on a residential home walking through the door. what does that time cost Pasco County to to be able to

789
03:43:19.840 --> 03:43:36.080
provide those services and look at that holistically. So when we bring that back in quarter four, we'll have a better understanding of what that looks like and charge those fees accordingly. So it'll be more of a cost recovery um fee instead of just based on the size and scope of the project. We've always used

790
03:43:36.080 --> 03:43:53.520
size and scope as a as a corollary for how to charge on. I can see size because that's time but value um I I don't see it. >> Yeah, we totally agree with you. You know, and the example I like to use is

791
03:43:53.520 --> 03:44:09.600
when you look at a residential uh new home, if you have a 2500 or 2500 square foot home um that may be builder grade versus a custom builder grade, it's the same 2500 square foot. Our plan review doesn't differ whether you have marble floors and marble countertops or just

792
03:44:09.600 --> 03:44:26.960
you know LVP and coran. So that doesn't change the types of fixtures doesn't change but that value could wildly move a permit value. So we we seek to eliminate that in our fee study by looking at what are those task elements that the county provides just cost. [laughter]

793
03:44:26.960 --> 03:44:44.479
Um so for commercial kind of kind of same example. Um, in Pasco County, we have basically three major occupancy types that we see. Um, those are going to be your How do you do those? There we go.

794
03:44:44.479 --> 03:45:00.560
Institutional occupancies, which are think of your hotel or your your hospitals, your ERs, the mafets of the world. We have uh commercial alterations, commercial, new, and then we have business and mercantile. And so when we talk about occupancy classes for purposes of this study, one of the

795
03:45:00.560 --> 03:45:16.479
things that we wanted to focus on was we understood that those in institutional classes are going to come in, those are the big dollar permits. Over 50% of our institutional permits that came in came in above $2. The bottom 50% is below $2,

796
03:45:16.479 --> 03:45:33.840
but still hover be between $150 and two bucks per square foot on a valuation basis. Again, we're not trying to increase fees. we're just trying to recover the same rate during the time frame until we get the fee study fixed. So that is being charged specifically at $181 per square. Um however on our

797
03:45:33.840 --> 03:45:48.560
business and merkantile what we would call an alteration, a move in move out, right? So a business owner buys um is going into a retail space or they buy they buy a building and they want to go move into it. Rather than charging them

798
03:45:48.560 --> 03:46:04.960
a the full $1.7 per square foot a new construction would cost, we we're looking at a 65 cent per square foot, so roughly 40% cut to that so that it's more affordable. we're not dinging smaller projects that may be occupying a larger square foot space because that's

799
03:46:04.960 --> 03:46:20.960
where the the inongruency comes in when you move from a u a valuation base to square foot because as your size of your project goes up that's where your your permit fees go up but valuation doesn't always go up in the in accordance with

800
03:46:20.960 --> 03:46:38.319
the size and scope of the project. So we were sensitive to that when we made those modifications and you can see that in in this chart. Um and and these were actual projects. We had some car washes. I do apologize. There is one error on this that we that I caught while I was viewing this. This new um square foot

801
03:46:38.319 --> 03:46:53.439
base fee for the assembly of the restaurant should be about $5,300. So you can see versus our old fee and our new fee. There are some projects that would be would come in at a much lower rate, but then some projects that are going to break even or maybe come in

802
03:46:53.439 --> 03:47:09.680
just a little higher. And that's just the nature of how moving to an averaging will work while we're studying that the the full effects of the fee study will cost. But by and large, we were we were sensitive and didn't want to run into situ situation where we're overcharging

803
03:47:09.680 --> 03:47:26.640
a permit that may have come in a few months earlier. And that's one of the things that we were controlling for. And again, just as just as point out kind of based on the dollar where we were that business and mercantile is targeted to small business commercial alterations, your businesses uh and your

804
03:47:26.640 --> 03:47:42.960
retail operations, anything that's coming in as occupancy of business or mercantile, that alteration will come in at 65 and your institutional rather being the $4. So for example, we had one commercial project that came in with a $400,000 permit value just on the

805
03:47:42.960 --> 03:47:58.160
building permit fee. That's not including plan review or the trades or anything else. That's the single line fee that you know fixing that situation I think was was the intent of the Florida legislature when they they included that language in 803 and that's how we're this is how we're going to be

806
03:47:58.160 --> 03:48:13.840
responsive to that. Any questions on the commercial and valuation fees before I move on. That's kind of the meat and potatoes of what what's happening. There are some other flat fee fixes because of the nature of you don't have square footages on windows. So, we put some flat fees in

807
03:48:13.840 --> 03:48:31.359
there to just just to fix that. Um, moving on to administrative fees and exemptions. We already have a third a third party provider fee that if you're building a new home and you're using a private provider, it's $600. If you're building a new business or an alteration, uh it's $980 if you're using

808
03:48:31.359 --> 03:48:47.760
a private provider. One of the um the requirements of 803 is that commercial projects need to um reduce down 25% per trade whether they're doing a plan review or whether they're doing inspections. When we're doing 100% we're

809
03:48:47.760 --> 03:49:04.000
doing away with the building permitting fee for those projects and just charging them a flat permitting administration fee. What a lot of folks don't [clears throat] take into consideration is the whole life cycle of the permit when they think about it. It's not just plan review and inspections. It's everything from our intake. We have a custom private provider team to make

810
03:49:04.000 --> 03:49:19.199
sure all those documents are correct. They have to review everything. They also look at some of we have the DCR team that's going to look at the code requirements. If it's in a flood zone, they got to look at the flood requirements. But a lot of stuff that's got to get looked at. That's just before it gets approved. Then once it's approved, we still have the full life

811
03:49:19.199 --> 03:49:36.239
cycle of public records and everything else that has to happen after that. So recovering a reasonable administrative administration fee is what we aim to do here. And basically what we've done is for those projects that are going to be less than those 6980 thresholds per trade, it's basically $45 a general base

812
03:49:36.239 --> 03:49:51.680
fee for each of those those trades that come in that cover our administrative costs. That is based off of a of a 2021 study that didn't ever get published, but we did do the time study on that. So those numbers are grounded in some actual data on how long it takes us to

813
03:49:51.680 --> 03:50:08.319
to administer those programs for private providers. So including those three additional new lines in the resolution is there so we can be compliant with 803. And then finally the big one um any questions on private provider?

814
03:50:08.319 --> 03:50:25.279
Okay, I'm trying to go quick because I know it's uh it's getting late. Um the the finally the big the big one and one I just want to dispel rumors on is the $7,500 permit exemption. There is a $7500 permit exemption where an owner or an owner's contractor can do work as

815
03:50:25.279 --> 03:50:40.880
long as it doesn't touch structural, mechanical, electrical, or plumbing. If you think about all the permit stuff, there's not a whole lot that's left over after that. Drywall isn't a gray area, you know, particularly over a certain amount of drywall. It becomes part of the structure of the home. Windows,

816
03:50:40.880 --> 03:50:56.720
doors are still structural. Um, we're basically talking about flat work. You're talking about stucco. You're talking about kitchen renovations that don't touch the plumbing or the electrical. You want to do your cabinets. Um, so we don't expect to see a whole lot of these exemptions coming

817
03:50:56.720 --> 03:51:11.920
in. They are an applicant is required to request an exemption to us. That is going to be done by a simple PDF. It's available on our website. They send it to us. We have a team that's going to look at an email and go yes, no, it requires a permit. If a home is in a a single family dwelling is in a flood

818
03:51:11.920 --> 03:51:28.800
zone, it is not eligible for the $7,500 exemption. Um, work has to be done still by a licensed contractor. So, if somebody's doing unlicensed work for value less than $7,500, it's still a violation. Um, the sheriff's office may pursue charges on that. We will not be

819
03:51:28.800 --> 03:51:45.920
doing that. Um, and then finally, splitting projects is not allowed. So, you can't do, you know, I want to do $15,000 worth of of of work in a kitchen and I'm only going to do the front half of the kitchen this on this permit and the back half and that doesn't work that

820
03:51:45.920 --> 03:52:03.120
way. [snorts] So, but the odd one of the oddities is we're not allowed to ask for copies of contracts when requesting building permits. It's not it's not legal. However, they have to provide a copy of the contract or the cost of materials when requesting the

821
03:52:03.120 --> 03:52:19.120
exemption. So, that language is included in this resolution as well. So, other than that, I'm good. Any questions? >> I I have some questions. Um, not necessarily on this. >> Um, but um Okay. Well, where does a

822
03:52:19.120 --> 03:52:35.600
driveway permit come in here? Rightway use permit come in. >> Rightway use permits if it's with a new build. So, if it's a new construction home, that rightway use permit will come in together with the new permit. And BCS facilitates that. But the planning, development, economic growth department

823
03:52:35.600 --> 03:52:52.080
facilitates rightaway use permits. >> So I've had new homes built in my community and they have paved the whole front yard, brand new homes. Um, and so I I I just almost think you should just throw that right away use permit out the window because there's no enforcement of

824
03:52:52.080 --> 03:53:09.199
it. The only people that get caught up in it are the people who are trying to do it legally and then you say, "Oh, you can't have two driveway cuts. You're only allowed to have one." And so the people who are honest get stopped and the people who don't

825
03:53:09.199 --> 03:53:25.040
care just do it. So that's number one. Number two, we we have this problem that that someone in the county thinks that paper blocks are permeable. >> Um >> pvious surface

826
03:53:25.040 --> 03:53:40.239
>> pvious. >> Yeah, I can tell you where he lives, you cannot have paper block in the first sevent. Well, at least Sarasota County and and are you in >> Manatee? >> Sarasota County could be in Manatee, too. >> You have to do a poured apron in that

827
03:53:40.239 --> 03:53:55.120
first se seven or feet or whatever and then you can do the paper blocks. And because I've seen it in Gulf Harbors when I first moved in there, the county had to go in and do some work on someone's paper block driveway. I'm not sure if it it was it was FGA back then

828
03:53:55.120 --> 03:54:12.560
and they were very upset at the re the way they had to put it when they put it back together and they said they were going to sue and I had FGA out there and they said there's nothing we can do about it, you know, and they may take the break the bricks when they take it out to do the work, but you're in the

829
03:54:12.560 --> 03:54:30.080
easement area and they don't have to replace your whole driveway uh if there's no more matching brick there. So, what are you going to what are what is your department doing about these driveways and these yards that are bricked over because you guys consider

830
03:54:30.080 --> 03:54:47.040
impervious from end to end, front to back. >> Well, thank you for that question. I will start by saying uh my department is going to work with the planning development economic growth department who is the department that has the authority over the youth the pavers and the use of the driveways that we're going to be use permit. I will tell you

831
03:54:47.040 --> 03:55:02.800
that we have been on several calls. How How is it the planners that have it when they're not the ones that go out and >> under the land development code? >> Huh? >> Under the land development code, I think. >> Yeah. Papers are not a >> So, the rightway use permit is with the planners, >> correct? >> Yes. >> They issue the rightway use permit.

832
03:55:02.800 --> 03:55:17.760
>> Yes, ma'am. >> The planner. >> It goes through that department. It's >> development review services would be the would be the division of the planning department that that handles >> it's falling apart. It's not working. >> Public site inspections. Every day I

833
03:55:17.760 --> 03:55:34.160
send y'all pictures of >> bonding. It's >> not working. >> All that kind of stuff. >> It's not working. >> Well, we're having conversations on on enforcement because that's really what this amounts to is is enforcement. Um >> I just had >> if they were here, they would >> they poured the whole front yard of

834
03:55:34.160 --> 03:55:49.439
concrete [snorts] two weeks ago and I I let I let people know that it was formed up >> and um [snorts] >> and those are code complaints. If you do see them, you could >> Those are code complaints. They're not >> I'm not turning in my whole neighborhood,

835
03:55:49.439 --> 03:56:05.520
>> but that's not part of that's part not part of the fee schedule either. >> I think this would be I think this would be good for a a meeting. >> I'm good with your fees. >> So, this is this this is an action item and requires motion in a vote. Is there any other comment on this item?

836
03:56:05.520 --> 03:56:21.199
>> I make a motion. >> Chair G. >> Second. >> We have a motion to second. All in favor? >> I. >> No. It passes. All right. >> All in favor of uh skipping uh committee reports. >> Yes. I'll do mine next time.

837
03:56:21.199 --> 03:56:37.520
>> Okay. Well, before we do that, >> Mr. Stein Snider. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, I didn't know this was your last meeting cuz you're coming back for >> or wait, does Mike do you have something? >> No, this is uh this is why I was just gonna say that uh it was Jeff's last

838
03:56:37.520 --> 03:56:54.319
meeting, so I promised to make him earn his paycheck today. So we we made sure that the agenda was was heavy. >> We added a few items to the agenda just to make things >> just for insurance. >> Mr. Stein Snder, we will >> give you the mic. >> Oh, to yield. [laughter]

839
03:56:54.319 --> 03:57:09.600
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I I I said most of what I wanted to say at the last meeting with a resolution, but I thank you for Thank you for approving David's contract today. >> Yeah. >> Um he will >> Oh, wait. Did we do that? >> You did that. [laughter]

840
03:57:09.600 --> 03:57:26.000
Um, he will be a great attorney for you in the future. Um, and I've enjoyed my 17 years of >> representing 17 years >> representing you all most days. >> Most [laughter]

841
03:57:26.000 --> 03:57:42.960
remember that's a very fair statement. >> Parse that out. >> Well, the partying there's two events still coming up for him. >> Am I supposed to say that? >> Well, you can. Yeah, I >> I don't know. >> Um, yeah. So, I am

842
03:57:42.960 --> 03:57:58.319
>> I know nothing. >> I am working till the 31st, but this is my last board meeting because you only have one board meeting in July. >> Yeah. >> So, but thank you very much, >> Mr. Dutter. >> It's been fun sitting next to >> Thank you for 17 years, >> right? 17 years.

843
03:57:58.319 --> 03:58:29.120
>> Yeah. >> Well done. [applause] >> [cheering] [applause] >> Jeff, I always forget my pen and today I forgot my pen again and you walked up to me and gave me this pen. >> And he gave me this. >> He gave me too.

844
03:58:29.120 --> 03:58:49.160
>> He gave me his really nice pen. Then he switched to this. Nope. >> [laughter] >> Ladies and gentlemen, >> get ready. David, you have to come with a whole bunch of pens. >> We will [laughter] we will adjourn this meeting. >> All done. Thank you. >> I wish

845
03:58:58.800 --> 03:59:35.359
we'll fix We'll add your name. >> [laughter] >> I will need it. I want you to keep that >> my favorite color in the whole world. Rose down. >> All of them. >> Yeah. Oh, that's I'm going to try.

846
03:59:35.359 --> 03:59:41.920
>> I know. I have to keep I have to I'm going to try and not lose it. If I still have it in six months,