##VIDEO ID:ALd_2BKGfBg## perfect perfect a oh oh definely try to on I for for oh did you see the you for that my God you hey I got another that I'm cooking for good morning morning okay do I even have an agenda yes I don't know I haven't even looked okay so good morning I'd like to call to order the Pascal County Board of County Commission to 2025 legislative priorities Workshop of December 16th 2024 at this time silence all electronic devices and um mute your microphones and please rise for the invocation and pled oh merciful Creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and Grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen amen I Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the rep stands one nation God indivisible withy and justice for all well I just noticed Lisa's not here yet but I know she was coming this morning do you know what their ETA is I hadn't heard from her just Ralph where's Ralph there coming this morning right I just okay all right um so Madam clerk could you please call the roll district one commissioner Oakley here District Two commissioner waitman presid District Four commissioner Jagger District Five commissioner marianao here and District three chairman starky here thank you and at this moment I'd like to welcome our legislative delegation here good morning and just the two important yeah the workhorses um and at this time I'd like to recognize you Senator Hooper for some opening thank you madam chairman it's uh this is a good idea and it occurs in other counties and it's always nice for the legislators and the local County governance to get together because we don't often get a chance to exchange ideas enough and to really find out what's important to the citizens of of those counties who have these type of meetings so I consider this a plus a bonus for both the county of Pasco and the legislative delegation to understand let's find out what the real priorities are let's let's see if we can be successful so thank you for uh for most of your commission but a few of our delegations be here this morning thank you very much um and I was I was mentioning to to Sean that for 32 years on this day I've had an annual lunch in Christmas lunch in with for my girlfriends and this is the first time it's turned into a dinner because we have this meeting here this morning so it it's uh it's important to all of us and um we're really grateful that you guys are here I understand um representative hul has uh something to do with his reserve I think and that uh representative Steel's on vacation out of the country so we Senator goalie is also out of state as Senator Buress I do believe that's right Senator burges um but we are expecting um representative jger so um and I'm going to wait just a little bit for them and um turn to you uh and ask you this is unscripted um but since while we're waiting on them um would you mind giving uh our delegation a little update on what we went through with the two storms just some numbers and some where we are sure uh thank you thank you uh chairman starky so yeah what uh what a month the end of September through through October was for the county and I see a lot of our our directors and our team members that that were here um we uh it's it's it's no surprise here that we we went through we went through a lot um I would say that uh during the initial response of just between both uh Helen which came through first I think Helen actually um uh sent a lot of warnings to to citizens in terms of the dangers of storm surge and and actually uh we had very few evacuees during during that during that first storm uh unfortunately it really put our Our First Responders uh in into the thick of it uh between the two storms actually over 1,200 uh water rescues uh we we made uh during during that period of time and actually you'll see some of our Appropriations requests I think will will support some of that some of that response but uh during the second storm when Milton came through barreling down as a strong Cat 4 even as a cat 5 at one point in time um folks heated the warnings and and we had a tenfold increase in those those folks that that investigated and went went through uh went to our shelters and so having places to shelter folks as well is was was important uh we were actually concerned even operating out of our Emergency Operations Center at one point that we were going to have to relocate uh Inland you know and that's just how dangerous these storms were plus just and again we'll we'll talk a little bit more about some of some of the infrastructure uh things that uh that I think we we we need to update as as a result of this since I've been administrator I can tell you this is again um third third goar around uh in terms of a full-on activation with with realistic threats so unfortunately I think it's going to become the norm uh rather rather than uh just just an outlier but uh we we continued uh after the storms to to set up um in uh call it an encampment but really um an area for those that were displaced to live uh we we call it Pasco hope uh actually uh used used an opportunity to to get pallet homes uh installed as well as trailers from the state the partnership with the state during the during the response was was absolutely fantastic we we asked for things we we got things um and uh and folks U really really pulled together on that so I think we're probably I don't I don't know Cathy here but I want to say we're probably about 60 70% full on that this is temporary these are temporary housing for folks that literally lost housing and we're seeing more of that as we come through doing uh doing the recovery which is the substantial damage um uh issues because as you know FEMA in order for us to maintain you know certain certain levels here reimbursements and things you got to kind of play by their rule book a little bit and while our federal delegation has been uh um happy uh I'm sorry you know working with us to help help uh help move things along uh we still there's still sometimes the federal rules are are are tough and so it's it's coming to areas where you know we're having to make decisions folks are having to make decisions on you know where do we where do we go from from our housing here and there and so we're we're we're seeing more and more folks kind of saying you know what I think I think we're leaving and so they're coming to these coming to these areas but then again we're also helping folks uh uh get get through things and and rebuild on the on the debris front um I'm happy to say that uh we're probably uh 3/4 of the way through uh the state gave a uh or sorry the federal government gave a and the state and the federal government gave us a um an extension right they mentioned December I think that that deadline's gone all the way into February in terms of debris pickup we've completed our first pass in the county and so we again Pasco County started ahead of everyone else we did we started like two days after and we have we have continued to to lead so out of 1.4 million uh cubic yards of debris uh we're we're definitely over a million at this point uh and continue to to to clock in and and and pick up uh pick up debris we estimate probably about 50 to 60 million and fortunately uh we did receive our first check from the federal government uh in terms of helping our cash flow on that of about 24 million that actually made it into into our accounts and so we'll we'll continue we'll continue to roll there so uh I don't know Katherine I've tapped dance long enough uh well and Brad's not coming just got word but did you mention how many homes were I'm sorry damaged can JP's here he's probably got the exact numbers JP 13 last count was 2280 sub so that's 2200 that were what are considered substantially damaged right so that is over 50% of the structure was was inundated so usually usually that's water usually above 3 ft um but but some of those were team members also yes yeah and and uh some of our some of our own folks here within the county and it amazed me at how well our employees pulled together uh to help to help our to help our you know our own on that but we have a lot of citizens again that are that are going to have to deal with this and so we're working hard to try to help them uh figure out you know how to how to best uh how to best navigate that um but it's it's tough I think we had over 13,000 structures countywide that were that were damaged and that's not just Helen we had riverine flooding as you know well Inland and uh that was kind of the kind of the double whamming so this is really a storm that has affected everyone and as of this morning that number has gone down four uh the substantial damage well and and and what the commissioner is referring to is we do a first we did a first pass so with the help of the state we had a we had a contractor come in and they basically touched every single house and by doing that and they they have some formulas and it's not perfect right and and they kind of estimate what the damage is supposed what the damage should be at a house based on certain values of of what a home and and and percentages and things like that and then they base it off of what the property appraiser website says the value of the home so they do that math but if if a homeowner you know kind of looks at that and says well hey now I wasn't maybe as damaged this or hey my home is actually worth more there's an Avenue and there's a pathway uh for them to to challenge that if you will or at least bring more information to the table so our team members can make a a more appropriate substantial damage uh assessment of that so that's part of the process you know we can't do it all right from the desktop so sometimes so folks know their properties best and and one of the interesting things that we learned is every County and every municipality has a different ordinance as far as the cumulative um repair costs yes and we are quite um um so quite fair I mean we're one year accumulative yeah and what what the commissioner is referring to is is that if you live in a home there's basically if you're if you're in a flood zone you're not elevated for example let's just say that you're you're U you're not doesn't doesn't qualify like that if you do over 49% worth of remodeling or there's other things uh that tracks and so if you come in and you get storm damaged whatever is accumulated in the past 365 days counts against you I guess if you will there's other places that that run that cumulative average for three years for example Newport is five years so you know and I guess there's good and bad to that uh you know in onee cumulative you can keep you kind of can keep repairing your house um much more than someone who's 5year cumulative and so then your your the federal Bill stays High I guess cuz you're not getting people out of the flood ways but but it Bal it jump it jumps into your community rating system your community rating system that's one of the things they look at is is your ordinance and how many years we're five or four right we're we're five I think from paperwork we can go to a four and that's kind of a sweet spot I think for us right now it kind of gives us the right amount of discounts for our citizens without having to overly um be burdensome in terms of of what the construction should look like I'm curious do you know what dat city does anyone here know what date City or Zephyr Hills is as far as their CRS I do not know off hand I don't know if um we know Newport Richie is 5 years so it caught a lot of people who had done repairs from the last storm they weren't able to rebuild they are not able to rebuild and the reason why we have to be very strict on this is because we don't want to lose the ability to participate in the in the FEMA flood insurance plan if if we did if we did lose it like Lee County and city of Tarpon Springs did we would have to pay for all that debris pick up ourself Mike I think we need to I'm not completely sold on that statement I think we need to fully understand what the cost is to our property owners to be in that program it might be worth it for the county but it may not necessarily be advantageous for the property owner in in that program and that's something that I want to vet and understand fully to make sure that that program is a overall benefit to not just this County but more importantly to the side of the property owners of Pasco County 100% And and as part of uh you know as we get into February and where're we're going to do a comprehensive storm water and and flooding Workshop I think a a refresher on that for the board and the public to understand why we do the things that we do uh and and what the advantages of that are it's it's beyond flood insurance there are there are other elements to consider but I think it's a fair thing that we should always look at those things and make sure the juice is worth the squeeze right that's why we didn't want to go down below a well five or a four whatever you know i' I've seen the number how great it was at the point but you look at the number how they raised the rates raise the rates raise the rates what are you really saving when I look at the money they blown uh on things we could have done better I mean I don't want to take a trailer and raise it up 13 ft it would be unsafe to live there if you get a wind storm coming in and you're living up there and that roof can come off like we've seen like Ian storms get ripped everywhere on on low level so that's the answer I don't think so I think if if you took every one of those trailers that say on our areas and raised were're able to raise them up 5 ft you would have had probably zero damage across the whole County F would have saved a whole bunch of money but they don't let you should do that so I will tell you I'm planning to go to DC and fight what they're doing cuz they're not treating the people right and you got people that can't afford to raise up and think about it you raise a trailer up 15 13 ft you going to put an elevator there too I mean it doesn't make sense to what they're doing they're hurting themselves hurting our people and I want people to stay in their homes and I want to try to work with them as best we can JP by the way your team up there is doing phenomenal yeah the four people I mentioned today they listened to them they went through the title Bas in numbers we had one lady 4T elevator up they wrote her at substantially damage all she had was outside electrical down so believe me this whole program needs to get looked at and I appreciate you're saying it to all right so we will we will Workshop that um we did just a little bit when we were looking at the CRS system um but not not not enough so thanks for bringing that up commissioner all right um and let me recognize that commissioner joerger is here and we're sorry Brad's not making it he had a doctor he had to get into the doctor this morning okay yeah um yeah my daughter came down with Co Yesterday can't believe that's still going around all right so away from she doesn't live with me she's in all right um now turn to you carala to thank you ma'am to uh to introduce Ralph and get this show yes so we'll get the show on the road so uh I'm I'm going to have Ralph here talking just a second but again I'd like to thank members of the delegation and the board board for being here as well as members of the public uh we have before you really two parts to this exercise one our policy proposals the others are Appropriations and this is Grassroots effort right starting from our from our team members here many of which are in the audience here able to speak if there are questions on on any of these items but also we have met twice with our board once at a workshop and once at a regular session to really narrow it down and focus on specific policy proposals that we think uh will benefit the citizens of Pasco County as well as Appropriations that we think will will help leverage uh tax dollars in a lot of ways so Ralph I'm going to let you just kind of walk us through uh starting with the policy proposals and again this is meant to be a conversation so uh Senator Hooper representative mager if you have questions about what it is uh we certainly can discuss it and we have like I said we have our subject matter experts here uh to provide any more color to it uh that we could so Ralph thank you sir Ralph lir intergovermental Affairs officer again thank you all for being here I do want to recognize Jonathan till and Matthew Lawson with Senator buress's office and Jaden kuzo with have representative Steel's Offices here so we appreciate them being here yeah his Chase is coming sorry okay we can bring to the table to stand up hand can we some chairs we can bring we're going to move you up there you guys want to sit next to Catherine course my daughter lives in St Pete she's not with me cheap seat saale over here I know she did have a fun time this weekend and I'm sure her friends aren't that's okay thisiss oy she's got five County Manager je County attorney commissioner sty commissioner got little housekeeping done I think everything's rearranged got everybody got a chair uh so as um Mr cabala said we you know we broke it down and we have eight policies uh that we uh wanted to put on as a priority one of those the first one is uh we're requesting a local Bill uh this is dealing with our County inmate medical cost and I'm going to have uh sty jins come up and uh she heads our uh Correction Facility here in Pasco County kind of explain the situation uh and then I'll give you a little bit of History uh about this as well good morning Stacy Jenkins chief of Corrections um you know we have an inmate population of about 1,700 inmates and currently we're paying up to $2.25 million annually for outside medical costs so we rely on our vendor to negotiate those hospitalization costs with um local providers typically they're getting a cost of about a 130% Medicare rate um we're asking for a local bill that will cap those rates at 110% which is similar to the Department of Corrections uh which is um that is statutorily required uh for Doc so we're looking for a local Bill currently but Al timately we think this would benefit multiple Sheriff's Office and local jails to not relying on their vendors to negotiate rates for them Ral can you give a little history of some of the other counties that have done local bills on this so I was just about to say so one other County last year uh had the same issue and they ran a local Bill uh St Lucy County it did pass no questions were asked uh on that one as far as any problem but again this gets us to the same um even playing filled with the state the state corrections has that cap so if if it's to protect oursel if we don't have a contract in place you know we can assure our taxpayers won't have to pay more than that Medicaid rate so I will be uh seeking a sponsor uh for that local bill as we know local bills are only run uh on the house side uh so we'll just need a house sponsor will not need a senate sponsor um for purposes of just explaining that to uh the Public House runs all the local bills once they pass out of the chamber they go over to the Senate and the Senate uh in session takes them up as a consent calendar unless there are any questions and then those bills are pulled off uh if there are any questions so they'll they'll pass out all together on the Senate side just a point of reference house does local bills Senate does claim bills so Senate gets a task of carrying those bills uh for the public and and confirmations yes sir before we move on Ralph actually I just I wanted to ask CH I want to ask the chief one question on that Chief this is we we're talking inmate health care costs right so these are folks that are in in our facility there was an incident on Friday where a suspect was was shot three times by Pasco County Sheriff's Office uh I assume that he is under our charge now and that those medical bills would fall to the taxpayers of Pasco County they would um as soon as that individual is arrested um patrol will notify us and we will take um custody of of that individual at the hospital so once we take the custody of the individual at hospital that's when our fees start we should wait till they're getting released from I I just I just I just wanted to he just said some jurisdictions do that I mean seriously what are we thinking here can't we wait so let's make a let's make a judgment call it would be the sheriff's cost if it's not our cost so I think you're going to end up same place any anyway well a a you're obligated to provide medical treatment for every you don't have a choice uh be the uh the Department of Corrections um just last week came forward they have a 5-year contract with medical care provider um who before the contract was a year old asked for additional funding this year they're asking for an additional $17 million and already in year three they're projecting a shortfall of $30 million and we may be looking for a new contractor um because they did obviously low ball bid and thought they could just adjust on the flot um and and the worst news for you madam Chief is the local Bill deadline was December the 8th oh so none of these will that's the only local bill that we had I represent maget has one or two potentials that he filed already the the passco delegation rules and legisl rules require us to have a deadline we have to we have to post them on the website I already did that and I also got it in the paper so I got that deadline that's not the state deadline for the legislature so we're still good on on getting a sponsor on that but the he's he's talking about for a delegation meeting on the 7th uh they are on the website we have two other local bills on the website as well can't meet the deadline for this one you don't have a sponsor so December 8 is passed Oh you mean I have to have a sponsor for the delegation meeting too all right all right well um discussion uh something I've been working on on the national level and um this is a priority of NGO so so we're talking about Med Medicare reimbursement here but that doesn't mean we're billing Medicare this is straight that's just the raid right that's straight right out of our bank account when someone gets arrested um and is held in our jail they lose their Medicare benefits um not not in every state now we've been able to change so that states who have um suspend have a suspended Medicare program can get reimbursed we have a termination Medicare program here in the state so I don't know what that means um but um when I showed this to Senator ruio uh it it came from the Social Security Act of 1960 something and um he said that he could see right away that it was a mistake in the language that he felt that was written in the in um the ACT um but there's no reason why if these some of these people were on Medicare or Medicaid that it shouldn't be continuing and that we can build the feds and not build the county so something that we focused on at the national level and I don't know what it means to take Florida from a suspense uh a termination to a suspension um but that sounds like it should be a general bill that impacts the entire State at want to cover this short not a local does that mean that does that mean the state would have to cover the sh wall or would at least allow the language to change for I think the state is 110% of Medicaid rates on Medicare no I'm I'm I'm talking about even bigger than that is if we if we work towards um changing the federal language where inmates shouldn't get their health care benefits terminated until they're found guilty or something this is while they're just being held in jail and their families lose it if if they were the the head of household and their family has coverage underneath them the whole family loses their Healthcare benef Congress is so good at at identifying these issues and reacting to no no we've been at it for like 5 years we we moved to that at least the suspended states can can participate I don't know what the big hold of I would tell you that every County in this state is experiencing the same problem their medical costs for their inmates so is this something that you think you might do for the whole state and then it's not a local bill I I I'm still shocked to find that St Lucy pulled it off as a local Bill uh because it kind of if if you were if you were successful in getting us the local bill the remaining 65 Counties have local asking for the same CH yes so do you think we can ask the delegation to make this just a Statewide bill because yeah it did for one you should be able to do it for all of them especially this and you do it for your own why why would you not do it for the counties what's the what would be the thinking any member of the legislature can file a general bill um or whatever they're deci you have to have a well so maybe change number one two that deadline is not you can still file a general Bill up until the opening days Randy do you have any thoughts on on that um no not really from the house I mean we're still organizing and um they've cut back on the sort of things we can do this year get to the budget I'll tell you what the state on the house side can me to the Senate what the house thoughts are going for on the budget side uh but probably until the end of this week uh we'll be officially organized committies and everything and then we'll have more idea what we're going to be doing so I really don't have a lot to say about that because I I don't know myself yeah other than I have two locales I think that's all I have but it seems like it would help the local County government Statewide issue yeah keep more money to run their jails so the the house has the Restriction of the number of General bills you can file um okay the Senate's unlimited um my restriction is but my assignment I'm probing no bills this year so you're down to like and it doesn't have to be a member of this delegation it could be anybody in the legislature that's correct and and uh to add on to that this is an issue that uh was picked up by the Florida Association of counties uh they had some other issues dealing with uh inmate Healthcare uh as part of their policy so since it was passed by the fac uh they can work on helping us get a uh local um or a a bill sponsor for that just Identify two SP thank you okay um before we go any further I got to do a little housekeeping for the clerk uh chair I'm going to sh with you if you'll just state your name and we'll go around the room so the clerk has that uh on there everyone State their name please commissioner catherin starky Jeff Stein Snider Mike carbal Ed Hooper Jonathan T Matthew Lawson ronley ler Jaden kza Seth waitman Chase Bannon Randy Maggard Mar thank you okay so now we're on 911 please so the next issue is another fac proposal uh but it it was also a concern for us uh pinelis County actually came to us and said um do you have a have a issue with this are you all losing money and we said yes we're we we have a shortfall and we're we're pulling from our general funds but it's the 911 fees so currently uh the state collects 911 fees 40 cents per line uh and we're no longer able to support the level of expenses to maintain 911 throughout the state counties must use local tax dollars out of our general funds to support 911 expenses reducing funds available for other County programs from fy19 for year 19 to 2023 Pasco has incurred 24,5 52,800 in 911 fee eligible expenditures of that 7,928 n37 or 32.3 was funded from our general funds uh reducing funds available for local programs so what we're trying to do it used to be at 50 cents they moved it down to 40 cents probably 10 years ago and uh we're trying to get it back up to 50 cents in reality uh that would at least get us back you know where we can start and then uh if they attach it to cost of living every year to to move up that might be a possibility but in reality we're probably about a120 if I'm not mistaken on that yeah a120 uh is the shortfall that we have that would not require us to take out of uh our General Revenue to cover those 911 costs again this is a priority for the fac uh so they are working on getting a sponsor answer for that bill is that is that charg to every Hardline plus every cellular correct that is correct everyone everybody get yes what's interesting is if you um have a phone number from another state the that state gets those taxes yes is there anything you can do about that you're dealing with your good friends in Congress so so people who have moved here you know um and are using our 911 they they don't pay into the system so um it's another little quirky thing about that check y I mean we can we can work and I think we should work in the future to promote that for all those people that have moved down here you can keep your same number but if you hire a local cell phone operator that can be switched over it be easy to change it to wherever you Bill is received irregardless of your number your billing statement comes to a Flor address you yeah it's kind of a that Common Sense cor coming yes Common Sense absolutely very very dangerous an next policy issue another fac proposal um this is another one where the state has the ability uh to uh uh have a um the the local tax revenues increase with cost of living on that uh so want to have our County engineering uran come up here and explain a little bit of what we're seeking it's just a parody uh across the board uh with the state um as we try to cover the cost of increases for construction for transportation good morning Nick uren um County engineer for Pasco County pleasure to meet you've all been saying his last name wrong wait I I've been saying it wrong for 20 yeah the whole time that my wife and I have been married so um Ren yeah I I say along you You Ren but anyway it's nice to meet you uh short story of this is there there's a u escalation Clause written in the statute that allows for the local taxes plus the skets taxes to increase over time based on the Consumer Price Index but local taxes are a fixed rate per gallon so only the skets tax gets the benefit of the increase in the Consumer Price Index over time so what we're suggesting with this proposal is that both the local taxes the 1 through 12 cent local option fuel taxes that County Commissioners have the ability to Levy are also able to be increased based on the increases in the Consumer Price Index over time and that basically allows us to uh maintain our purchasing power to construct the infrastructure necessary to produce a thriving a transportation Network to support a thriving Community what is your rate now the pass goes at 12 cents we we have chosen to Levy all 12 local option gas tax sense you're at the C we are at the camp that's correct and we use that Revenue as for a combination of Maintenance we we T we designate seven cents of the 12 toward the maintenance of our transportation system that's already existing and five cents of that 12 goes toward the expansion of that system to accommodate growth and influx of new residents businesses Etc U but over time that just like the federal tax rate is capped at 18.3 cents per gallon the purchasing power of that Revenue stream has substantially diminished since its Inception and we're just looking for ways to um keep Pace with the the growth and the challenge of our system the adopted road paving process is that part of 12 C it is not the mstu that we established is a local ADV valorum tax that would be a designated Revenue stream for the maintenance of our transportation system as well again looking at ways to supplement the failing Revenue stream uh of the low cooption gas tax and keeping Pace with our needs the P for Pasco that so that that one the penny for Pasco sales tax was reestablished for a new 15-year period beginning in two weeks um yeah yeah so our third generation of penny for Pasco is going to begin January 1st of 25 and it's going to run through the end of calendar year 2039 so full 15-year period um going for memory the allocation of our penny for Pasco Revenue 45% of that total revenue received goes to the County government and of that Revenue 40% is diverted to transportation to the Improvement of our transportation system generally primarily focused on multimodal Transportation how are we building connected Pathways and um facilities for bicycle and pedestrian users in Pasco County but we do have the ability to also use that Revenue to install traffic signals to regulate and improve safety at intersections and minor capacity of projects but it's not a designated stream large enough to fund some of our significant capacity Investments needed impact fees for all the development that's occurring oh yeah yes we have Mobility call Mobility fees we were the first one in the state to have good that's got to be a chunk of change but it's and it's not enough you hear all the time people complain about crowded roads so yeah we have a a multimodal Mobility fee that we assess as well and it looks at the need to construct capacity on our road Network as well as the bike ped component the rof way component uh Transit is a component of our Mobility fee as well as the construction of roads on the Strategic Intermodal system or parallel facilities to to support those so we look at things like the extension of rangeland Boulevard as a reliever to State Road 54 as a use of uh Mobility fees paid by Developers ERS to um improve the quality of service on the on the state road Network as a parallel cyst facility you know some of the big expenses that we've had in transportation that come to mind for me is um of course Ridge Road who remembers who knows the total bill for rid Road anyone here know that it's a nine figure number then we had we we ourselves pretty much we got I think we got some help from you um did the overpass uh on 75 normally that's picked up by someone else not the local County when you're building an overpass you know exchange and an interchange I think that's the right word interchange um does anyone know the number that we paid on that it's close to 20 at least at least 20 I just remember secretary pad saying why are you guys paying for that yourself you know um I have a meeting week after Christmas with secretary uh per so oh nice Fu tax index is fac making is that a yes these are these are big ones yeah thank of course we have 5441 looming uh ahead of us which is another big one right oh my goodness so the next issue came to us from our uh bicycle pedestrian advis committee we have that set up in the county the commissioner set that up uh and this deals with uh pedestrian uh safety driver requirements so current law requires Carters to slow down and yield to pedestrian right away again yield uh if there's no one there what they have seen and and say if we were to change the law to require cars to actually stop um uh at a crossing for the pedestrians uh it could you know lower a lot of accidents with bicycles and and pedestrians if that just that tweak in the law were to occur while pushing strollers that County ordinance Mr attorney you've regulated the field in general law so and we be changing state law by local ordinance so it probably had some problems I not prepared to say we couldn't but is that is that just an opinion that's just an opinion what we can do Madam chair yep the one fear I have with this one here on a two-lane road it's easier to do but if you've got like a six Lane Highway 19 Etc and you expect someone on the third lane over to see someone coming over and you get someone to slam on their brakes coming through I I've been hit three times in the rear stopped on these busy roads you going to create more accidents and we've have a had before as well so you can you can weigh this one through far as ended okay sure yeah this is lane roadway uh my name is Brian Michaels I'm uh uh chair of the BC committee for County explain what that is if they don't know uh bicycle pedestrian advisory committee so a three-lane road would normally probably have a traffic light current state law requires vehicles to stop and remain stopped for a pedestrian that's in that uh uh section of roadway until they're on the other half of the roadway so section A deals with that that was changed in 2008 section B deals with cross cross walks that have a sign that says You must stop for pedestrians in a crosswalk every other crosswalk in the State of Florida it is yield yield means you either slow down or maybe stop so it would be a lot easier for law enforcement because yield it's an interpretation of law enforcement to say that you slowed down for a crosswalk it there is no interpretation of stock now every school in the state of Florida has crossing guards when they go out with their orange vest they have a sign that says stop they don't have a sign that says yield it says stop what happens at school Crossings or playgrounds that don't have a crossing guard there 24/7 th those children or uh seniors or anybody on a bike that has to go through a cross walk they have to uh rely on the vehicle to yield to a pedestrian so um it's much easier if it's a stop it follows sections uh uh 7A and B in our current law and um the the closest state that has the similar law is the state of Georgia it was changed in 1995 um and it's it's it just follows it's logical you know I always thought that you had to stop when someone was in the crossbox I thought that was our law already no it's yield if you if you look at if you look at it at uh if you look at the law it's yeah it says that you must you yield and like possibly stop for a pedestrian so it and again it'll it's I can't tell you how many lives it's going to save but I can guarantee you it will prevent uh and save lives in the State of Florida State of Florida also has one of the worst track records for bicycle and pedestrian fatalities yes thank you all right thank you so this is a back supported so the next one I'm G to give a com of out here that we will tread lately as we all know live local uh when it first passed we work with the sponsor uh uh president pasido uh to address uh some of our concerns we did uh we were successful uh in how we did on the uh tax exemption um but we were not successful on the land use issue and so we still have concerns with this uh as we move forward this may not be the uh the year but we do want to keep it on your radar so you know what we are dealing with but the Commissioners felt important that we do make this one of our policies so I'm going to have uh our County attorney David Goldstein who's the expert on Liv local just to come up and explain the the land use issue that we are trying to on Li thank you Ralph and and I wanted to thank the delegation members for what the support we got last year on the tax side we just didn't quite get there cross the finish line on lus side um I think you all know that we have a lot of commercial industrial property in Pasco County it's still at risk of being converted to departments basically and for Pasco County we have a strong emphasis on job creation we value our commercial sites we value our industrial sites we want to make sure that we're not continuing to just be a bedroom community to hillsb pelis we want to be able to be able to have folks work local not just live local but work local and so for us protecting those commercial industrial sites is a priority you know every time we get a new commercial or Industrial rezoning in Pasco County we make them deed restrict their proper Comm Whitman's very familiar with this issue um so that they don't invoke Li locals so it's still a major issue for us on L side I will tell you that we did have some conversations with the Senate president's office towards the end of the session when we got the tax relief they asked us will this shut up Pasco and my answer was um not quite um because we're still not there in the L use side so Senate president's office did have some dialogue with us there was some discussion about maybe limiting it to Redevelopment sites you know we have we have some Redevelopment sites like the gulf VI Square Mall where we've allowed some of that to convert to to multif family and it makes sense in certain locations but I think you all know you know Pasco EDC has a ready sites program where we have over 3,000 Acres of industrial that we're trying to preserve for employment and that becomes very difficult when you have live local comes in and says that can all be converted to residential so we still need some relief on that issue and any support we can get from the delegation would be appreciated um it sounds like commissioner wants to thank you yes Senator Hooper just thanks David for the recap there Pasco is leading the state with the number of commercially zoned properties pasco's I think were number one with those zonings of all the counties and it's important to remember as we go through the land use side of this bill we talked about the overpass Road interchange we still have a corner of that road where our taxpayers with 65 million invested in this overpass that the live local bill is still being dangled over at us as that those folks who have that important Corner are trying to uh come up with uh a project that this board may see as a benefit to the county but with that said it comes with a residential comp highly likely it will come with a residential component to it which is completely against what that zoning was set for so Liv local is still being used as a leverage point at least with this government and uh we just don't want to see that used and it diminish the taxpayer investment on such critical job creating sites uh that Pat's boards have voted on and made made you know available for for good Commerce so um just something that we deal with two meetings a month and it's just it's important to us that we save our save our jobs Mr Mar thank you you know when I first ran for office 20 years ago my number one plat form was Economic Development we're a big commuter County I will tell you as much as I'm thrilled that we're the number one commercially producing County for jobs goes we are still a big bedroom community for people have to commute out and what that does it affects penel it affects Hillsboro all over the place so the more jobs we can create here the better I will say this board's been phenomenal and our citizens been phenomenal back our Economic Development plans the first penny didn't have anything with economic development but the last two do and to hire like a guy like Bill bronin to come forward and put his team together to bring great companies like great line Plastics we just Gary line Plastics we just brought in they were expecting they didn't know if they could build the jobs in they were expecting 300 jobs over like four years in less than 9 months they filled 600 jobs building I mean you know with with all we do with the m skills Etc we want to keep on focusing this stuff we don't want the the these apartments be able to come in and kill us and frankly every single commercial problem we get coming in does a land change with it we we did just one the other day for o overlay policy uh where they can't switch it over but we shouldn't have to do that battle we should have to control locally so somehow we just get that bill to give the local the control um if you need to base on something about commuter rates whatever it so be it but something to do that if we've done these things and put things Place help us create the jobs because it's not only better for us it's better for Florida um David when you did your analysis it you found that it really benefited four counties in the in the state do you remember because way they said affable they said 120% of the average mediate income and I think we discovered last year that there's really only Miami Dade Broward and Monroe were the only counties in the state that even have a def major deficit of housing in that income range show for Pasco 120% of Ami is just market rate Apartments so what we're finding is live local is basically just a subsidy for market rate apartments at least in Pasco they kind of lump Tampa Bay inclusive and you were wrapped up in that number and um I can't speak for the house represent B is closer to be assing you will be part of that leadership team um I know on my side I I think the Senate is going to have that discussion and and even though president pasido is still in the the chamber for two more years she's not the president so uh it's been talked about a little bit I think she is receptive to the legislators we we have a great policy we never have time to do it right but we always have time to do it over and this may be the year we get to do it over and uh fix our we call it a glitch Bill to to take that into consideration and so I'm I'm hopeful that that discussion will occur early in session if not in committee weeks before session excellent um I don't know if we have anyone here from Community Development but uh you know we did a study we hired the the Pasco Housing Authority hired University of South Florida to do a a housing analysis for Pasco County and and it showed we had plenty at 80 to 120 Ami and plenty in the PIP Works where our big deficit is at 60 and under and um certainly anything that the state can do to help and we're not the only County in that situation and the Hurricanes could make has made that much worse for a lot of people any help on the 60 and Below um what is thei David you know what the uh Ami I actually don't yeah I don't think Kathy Pearson's online Kathy do you know by chance no I don't uh but David uh you don't happen to have the report handy we could look that up yeah we'll get it we'll get it sent to you before we leave and it and it changes you know it's for for a family of two it's this for a family of four it's that um we are proud that uh in the next few weeks I think we I think one just closed dominium just closed on a 60 uh they're going to be building a 60 Ami 200 about 260 bed unit or apartment unit out by ankot High School it was on Surplus school property and they got all their funding so I think they're ready to go there's also an adult um age restricted one that the City of Newport Richie is doing that we partnered with behind the Southgate public so I'm sure those will be filled the minute the doors uh are open there but the the need is is greater than the supply that we have so it's not that we're against that kind of housing at all we got the message that Pasco is lumped into a a group of counties that may have a different scenario than than we do and we understand that so I do think that um adding changing that term out Redevelopment really cleans it up a lot yeah okay the uh next issue also part of the uh fac agenda um you'll remember back in 21 the law was changed but before 2021 code enforcement complaints could be made by residents anonymously uh now it requires them to put their name in uh we try to go around that uh when the bill was created and allow the residents to call their County commissioner so they could put that in um we we did that uh we have been doing that uh a lot but just not enough manpower to go around the county so it would be good if we can get that back in and repeal that law uh you remember this is uh snitches get stitches law that passed in 21 um that is the trth we actually had a resident you had a resident I think this is something near and dear to you but we had a resident that was uh attacked yes he had a house that had drug dealing and other things going on next to him and called it in and they beat him up and he got his his face was all cut up and was in the hospital and stitches all over his face um so when we brought this up at fact every County came forward with horror stories of of uh what's going on when when um you make some of these calls and and the the person comes and and does something to their property or to them physically I do think there there needs to be some kind of guard rails because I know I think the reason it switched when we had a legislator from South Florida was that some some people use it um as a way to antagonize a neighbor or something so you know maybe so many calls on one address um I'm sure code enforcement could or someone could come up with the Right Guard whales but there does need to be guard whels but we we have a a lot of citizens who are now afraid to call in and um it's really impacted a lot of neighborhoods across the state like a lot of things that happened in legislature actions that occur in Miami day Brower County pal Beach County uh affect all of us Statewide because we built the wall in the wrong part of the United States and should be should be that part we need South Florida blahs and the rest of the same Florida I would be shocked if we changed it back to Anonymous but guard rails maybe our consideration and I'm assuming back is looking for oh yeah one of theil we months Ral SE need a mic oh yeah so the the association has also talked about proposing a guard rail to keep it private for 12 months and then releasing it one you know that you uh made that call that that information would be available in 12 months so that could be a guard rail they could consider M yes you know something that may work is to allow an HOA to put a complaint then that's what we used to do a lot and it works very well because now it doesn't Attie even a person but I know it's a group that's going out there sometimes we don't have HOAs but we have other citizen groups that are there official official in in like Prime watch Etc they can see it as well but any any thing to get it reported where someone doesn't get that retribution and I've got a couple where people got beat up really bad as well it's not okay just it's like putting neighbor against neighbor just doesn't build good relations anyway but the bottom line is if the police can take an on the complaint why can't we have code go do the same thing commission I I'm I'm telling you unanimous support from all the counties at back okay commissioner when you say like HOA would put the complaint so somebody looked it up and just see H H EX y but you know for me a lot of my district and holiday there there are no HOAs um and we're working so hard to clean that up and this has been a real step backwards for those kind of neighborhoods this that's why I say a crime watch group like Nancy bonitz Gul Highlands very organized they meeting once a month they they could do it as well the same way there's areas in every County including this one where code enforcement is an ongo daily it is what it is civil anymore I know you're shoed so I I I think it's a valid valid consideration to thank you appreciate that the the next issue so back in uh 2020 uh an aquatic preserve was created uh to uh include the Nature Coast we are technically part Pasco Kenny is technically part of the Nature Coast which is citus Hernando and Pasco counties um but um what seemed well intended this was an issue that was uh being pushed by Citrus County uh and a little bit of Hernando County um to help protect uh some of their uh waterways uh uh in the in the Gulf um could have a negative impact on us we didn't really have the ability to be at the table and part of that discussion one commissioner who worked that really hard and I'm gonna let him explain a little bit more uh is commissioner Mariano so when this bill was going through mul represent mul and and when representative Mariana was up there they had a very good relationship when this bill came forward uh she sh with him I had like three conversations with him and what it is is for example like say signal Cove Leisure Beach they've got one section where from marker 1213 we could do a connection that would get him out to the Hudson Channel real easy real simple um and we wanted him that if you do this bill you're going to make it hard for us to go apply for a permit and get that done uh again he wouldn't do it um we got some other issues too we're trying to like make some connections that could work and you know had they even just put the line outside of a certain area that have been okay I think it's hard to like start a Bild that way because if you try to start it that way then you got to get specifics if we just say take us out of it let us relook at it let us get these things done so be it but literally there's a few compromised positions that we could work with that we could get to the end effect but if we could start with the build this way let us get it all just take us out of it cuz we didn't ask to be in it and for someone from Lake County not even on the water Loop is in with these two counties without any further without any advanced notification I thought was terrible and when the vote was like total vote was like 146 to1 represent Mar stood a ground to say it was a bad bill for us but I literally I couldn't get traction because he was pretty prominent pretty influential to the power groups that were up there that he kept he kept it intact and it and it sounded great for everybody oh why wouldn't we want to be an aquatic preserve but the restrictions that go in there and give an example Leisure Beach Channel when it goes out it's a narrow channel number one when it goes out at low tide it stops to a foot and it doesn't go as far as Hudson Channel if I can connect on Hudson Channel I don't have to worry about doing the further dredging of leion beach Channel I just make them connect out it's better for everybody it's better for the environment because the amount of props scars go out there we actually this bill is actually creating more props scars because people get stuck in low tide situations they can't get out I expenses Etc it's just not safe I'm I'm pretty sure as well that um you know we're working on a big dredge project for the coast of Pasco and uh this affects the dredge for Gulf Harbors because we can't do a little piece of it on the channel That that um where we where we need to cuz now it's in this aquatic preserve so we're like 5 ft in and it me messes up the the Dred so I we didn't have enough time to really analyze what the boater impacts were to Pasco County and it it's just too much for us we can't we can't dredge our channels I I always thought Pasco was part of Sun Coast and not nature yeah I don't know the whole count ARA North they can add ARA and they had us in for years ago when now the sports we now the sports Co yes but yeah so we could just get that line looked at that would be very helpful and I'd be happy to meet with any anyone along the groups to go and I I would have to do that if you got people that you think are in the right position to talk to I'm happy to say it I think it's uh is a good concept to try to do it but the way they implemented it uh and I asked for just even the certain areas to go put it in a way where it's like further out but they didn't want to hear any of it he kep goalie is the one C that covers all of cando and Northern you would have interest in that as a general yeah and and I'll tell you as far as like working with water quality what we try to do is make it as clean as we can uh I had pushed the part two money in the Gulf Consortium work with regional planning Council which includes Citrus and Hernando to actually go out there and put like baffle boxes like you heard Grandy fine talk about the Baff boxes over in Indian River was of bad water quality because the Tampa Bay Estuary just takes care of Tampa Bay Estuary we had to partner with the EST and Regional planning Council and put it together we got $85 million right now to go fix water quality going out there so we're we're fully you know focused on water quality but this bill right here keeps us from make it better for our citizens I don't remember why chairs I remember the bill but I don't remember back side got I have to go read that but that's something that representer he's in the voting World anybody would know that he would be a good one know me since he's not here I'm going to throw it all on him you get to tell him you may see him every now Happ to see him but that may be some him to look into but I can't remember there was something about that but I I don't back all right that that that past where we were really doing a lot of stuff in and around Crystal River yeah and Kings Bay uh that was a lot of in Senator president Simpson's priorities still could be there yeah we're just trying to fix these uh voting channels that's all that's what we're looking for yeah and Mr chairman just one more thing to if I could Madam chair yep you know I work very closely with the people up in Citrus as far as learning the project when I found out what their project was at Regional planning Council I hadn't come here to present to us to show us what they were doing so I'm fully support of what they're doing up there at the same time I just want to make sure we did do what's right for us down here exactly thanks you get you get treated differently in scalloping season we don't need to be treated differently yeah you want to be treated differently in this this you know we have one whole neighborhood called Bailey's Bluff who um Army Corps is denying the ability to do a maintenance stretch and so at at low tide they cannot get out and U we had the money from the um restore restore act and we've been turned down because they something about the sea grass and just think after the coming off of two hurricanes with hurricane Helen a lot of as you know in pinelis County a lot of more sand is now in those uh you know boating ways and in our canals into communities as you saw the sand got up to the roads up there so you know it's a challenge now we're going to have to uh do some maintenance dread to help with the storm water and the runoff that we deal with um for future stor STS uh to try to get that sediment out of there just touch a little bit more if I could so in talking to that that's that's a great point one of the things of Kings Bay the great thing they did they took all the mck that was stuck in there and get out they had an eel grassco which was compatible down here as well and what it actually do is improve water quality tremendously by taking the muck out if they restrict us from all these canals that we're going to be coming up we got a major prodct coming up and down the coast and we have many meetings on water to come funding already in place to go forward with it but this here would improve water quality tremendously if we can do the same things they did up there and that's what we're going to try to do um I I need to say thank you again to the legislature and it was during representative spr's um uh at the end of his his term we were able to get a a Sprinkle um that that allowed us to go into Gulf Harbors and line all the pipes there that were leaking and then were we had saltwater coming in and really affecting the Newport Richie wastewater treatment plant so we we got about two3 million from the legislature and we lined every um pipe in Gul harbers and the water quality improved dramatically and it also greatly um helped the Newport Wich plant that we we share so that was a great project so thank you very much very hopeful that after January 20th the cor Engineers yes let's we will yeah okay Ral so our last policy issue um your all's favorite in the legislature public records exemptions um we spent years last year we finally got it uh passed uh getting a public records exemption for our County attorneys our Municipal attorneys assistant County attorneys assistant municipality attorneys this is a safety issue um these individuals in our misdemeanor probation uh deal the public on a daily basis uh get threats um yell at and uh the public has the ability to go on and see where they live is it necessary to see where your misdemeanor probations officer uh lives um when they're just doing their job uh so this is another one that it has to be a standalone bill it cannot be an amendment uh I know the big discussion that was had last year when we uh took up public records exemption is is does the legislature need to look at it and just say why do we even have the ability for employees for the public to see where employees live why is that necessary to have that so there was a lot of discussion during the session of just saying let's just blanket it all because every year you all come back and someone else has you know been threatened in their line of work and they they need to get a public records exemption it's one of those bills where you cannot tack it on to an existing bill with public records exemption they have to be by law a standalone bill so we are seeking that this year for our misdemeanor probation officers so and it appears that the state has Exempted juvenile probation officers and State Correctional probation officers but not the county misdemeanor probation officers we we cover you and your assistant County attorney as of last year as of last year yeah but you know when we were dealing with you know as as much as again we deal with this when when we were dealing with staff you know what the number one question was how many uh attorneys got killed when do we do we have to have that that kind of a protection of a bill a public rec ex exemption and quantitated by how many people were killed on that kind of thing again it's one of those things where I think when you all have your discussions on public records exemption why is it necessary for for the public to know where our um governmental employees live and I know you also in the discussion say well why can't we get our legislators in there too that's a that's a different discussion but you know that uh uh it it does become a problem uh I think County Commissioner uh um or chairman starky um she had an incident where uh she had a resident uh came into her yard and took pictures of her holding a gun so uh again it's a safety issue uh and hopefully we can get that uh addressed uh either this session or moving forward or you all can just do away with public record you know not not requireing uh where the public needs to know and we can just say that's not available to the public commissioner Mariano and I had to have the bomb squad come out and um and and secretary Gwyn when that crazy guy that engineer went and tried to kill him at the uh dot offices and he had had a bomb in his car we had to have our residents checked for bombs okay now we're going to go on into our funding initiative proposals we told you how we looked at it especially after the storms what can we do with storm recovery but now we look to you what can we move forward it's not saying we're we we want all eight that would be nice uh but we know in reality that's not going to happen uh we know the uh um speaker of the house has uh said we need to be tighter with our our purse strings we uh we understand that uh and uh but we we've come up with projects that are going to help your constituents uh and and hopefully you know we can move forward with these and get uh you all to sponsor these um moving forward and uh um again you just let us go through you have any questions uh we'll have staff here to talk about those uh the first one I want I want to address is our um Public Safety operations center our PC uh o um what this one is is our p uh we'd like to build a more advanced centrally located uh psoc currently we're right here uh it's where our Emergency Operations uh management office is located it's 50 it's up there in years one of the oldest in the State of Florida uh also in the flood zone uh could uh so early on we said this was always going to be a big ticket item we need to work on this we've talked about this every year we're a large County let's move this in to uh a central location we already have the land over in land lakes next to our Jail uh and and behind our utilities uh facility but what we would do is uh create a a facility which would house our Emergency Operations Center our Emergency Management our 911 uh our fire rescue Administration traffic operations one central location uh to have that um we are seeking design cost right now we're still in the early phases and move forward with design we have uh a match on that uh currently the design is uh $20 million uh we received uh money from the feds uh3 million doll which we were grateful for last year and so we're seeing speaking uh $4 million so we can complete the design uh and then move forward know that this is a longgo project you know we this would be one where we'd come back and say now we need to start talking about um the construction cost this is funds we'll also seek again from the federal government to help with those offset those costs uh but that is our goal if I could just add to that um there is there is a typo I think in your in your area there local local funds expended to date right now are at about one and a half million this is just on the design portion as Ralph says this is a marathon uh we know it's a very expensive ask overall you know we will continue to work with the federal government our federal delegation as well on this but I think Kevin Guthrie put it put it pretty clearly that we we have one of the oldest eoc's in the state and for the operations and I you know we're we're finding places I can't even I can't even bed people down uh in in our areas when we have to write write out storms and I think as I mentioned in the beginning we we didn't think it would have survived a Milton in its current state we actually contemplated moving moving out east which would have meant moving our 911 Center which would have meant moving our our EOC operations and those things so it's a very important facility that we have here on this campus but we think consolidating our Public Safety operations in a singular Point whether that's land or lake somewhere in this County we're we're still uh we we know that we have a lot a lot of work to do but getting the design done gets you that much closer to shovel ready which is really what our objective here is on this and so it's uh it's pretty important to us we want to we want to push forward on it as I mentioned before this is the new normal and so I think getting there sir what is different from this and what the sheriff's building is TR or has I'm sorry I missed the first part of the question Senator uh I think you toured the sheriff's facility I think out what's the difference between what's the difference between what you're looking to do doing what Sheriff does now is so so the sheriff the sheriff has got his operation so kind of look at it this way the emergency Operation Center runs the entire the entire County um every tactical organization has their own separate command centers right my fire guys operate my utilities guys operate Duke Energy operates they they tactical they their tactical Center so that's more of his tactical Center to operate his complete operations he still maintains a residency in our EOC so our EOC coordinates with his EOC and so that's that's kind of how the command structure works uh we don't get into the into the tactics of of dayto day I'm going to Stage this this this and this year so that's that's his that's his well I'll call his his uh a different term for the military but that's sort of his his area that he would function there we are offering and we'll have the discussion on whether or not he wants to consolidate his operations there that would be his choice of course if he wants to do that um but we also wish to consolidate other key County functions there traffic operations we would put 911 Communications there our fire rescue Etc so similar to what you see down in pelis County with their with their coordinated uh system in Hillsboro County I know many of you have tored that but that's have you TOR the penel County EOC many times yeah so have you seen ours I've seen his I haven't seen yours I've sheric please go right over there the blood Zone we don't I don't care what it looks like it's not it's it's go and I think we can only withstand like a her a category three right three to four it just depends we'll start losing some cladding but so um we couldn't have the local match is one and a half not yeah 31 just found that out yeah that's that's a yeah that that was that's that's what we've spent to date we've committed to date but we will continue as we Advance Design my friends in the house have a 50% uh match our CL okay Madam chair yes so and to say we're looking at the best Alternatives as well I mean we just had the sheriff move over to a new buildings another building here the old jails there right across from where the Yos is right now uh and again cat 3 Cat 4 one of the other problems that we had in there is we we didn't have enough room for electrical companies to be in there sometimes you trying to like have a meeting within a meeting while things are going on presentations in the way that building set up is so difficult to go from spot to spot if they set up a giant room around kind of and just had surrounding rooms it might be a lot easier but again we've got to get it to cat five um to just to be safe because you don't want to move I actually like it on this side better just because you're closer to the action we if we build it high enough which we can it's more the secure walls that we need um staff's going to be looking all between this here we have a nauy hand facility as well as on the Lakes we're going to look at the best way we can go do it but we do need to get the study going and if I could add and I know the house representative meard has their rule don't don't forget too we're stacking we've got Federal money we're bringing to the table on this as well so I think there's some unique opportunities for us to really leverage those dollars so who's who's following this bill it's an Appropriations request this is we wanted to talk about this before we move forward we don't even know if this is one you all would even entertain moving forward like YouTu you'll be work yeah they'll be working on that but but again at the end of the day you know we knew that we could get all eight we got to figure out what you all feel is something that we should move forward with that's what we were hoping you all gave us that input on last the last session we got the sheriff half of his need for his project at the training center and um I think the entire delegation sort of committed that the second half of that would be priority this session so I I believe that's still to be if we want to make sure that he completes his piece that he needs training camp um I would I was shocked when I went to see Hillsboro County's Emergency Operations Center and compared it to ours just we're 30 years behind maybe I don't know um if you if and I I heard the pelis one is better and more newer than the Hillsboro one and Hillsboro is already expanding theirs so uh every every um player is at the at the table with their screen with their vest that says who they represent um so organized and we just we don't have space for everybody that we need in ours and um and then they're feeding of the responders so they have those commercial kitchens and they're rolling out um me meals because they're all spending the night there we we have to bring in ours I don't even know how they how everyone eats in our EOC I think our our fire chief wanted to say something go ahead commissioner Oakley I know commissioner Oakley toured both of them well I I toured both of them I wish he should been at St Pete to see that one CU it was amazing how large it was how well it could take care of all the different divisions and parts Bo um they buil out ahead so they have several years ahead of them to fill that space out in the GU then we went to Hillsboro and we found out that they uh were busting it seams cuz they only Built to what they needed at the time so within a short I think it's been 5 years I believe they're already breaking out walls and expanding there in Hillsboro where St P be a long time before you know moving into the their and getting they will grow into it but it'll take a while so but they had all the facilities for betting people down showers restrooms everything that you need plus all the accommodations of rooms set off from the main room for the different departments for Sheriff fire different departments that partment that so it's very very important and we we're busting it seems there's no room for a lot of people even Duke wasn't even president cuz there's not much room there they were one of the elected companies that we need to be in contact with closely all they had was a number You' call but it's uh there's our fire chief want to so actually I'm bringing up uh our fire chief Gwyn uh to talk about uh the two next asks that we were looking for um and I'll turn it over to him and hello everybody Ryan Gwyn Pascal County fire chief our next ask is for an aella high water rescue vehicle I if you pay attention to the screen here we're going to try to get a couple pictures up so you can see what we're specifically asking about um just to recap like Mr cabbala said we had about 1,200 water rescues between Debbie Helen and and Milton about 638 of those we were able to handle ourselves so roughly 50% without the uh the high water vehicles um coming in from the state and other agencies for our assistance we wouldn't been able to get to the other percentages um one of the things we noticed right away with all the vehicles that we had coming in was accessibility so a high water vehicle is wonderful getting in and out of it is extremely difficult so the particular vehicle we're asking for um has a gate on the back which is actually wheelchair accessible we'll be able to lift patients in and out of as well U we will be able to reach uh a high percentage of the individuals that we weren't able to get to that we had to wait for State resources it is also uh Dual Purpose it's a six wheeel it's a actually six wheeel drive extended vehicle we'll be able to use this vehicle to not only get individuals out of flood zones but we have a lot of wilderness areas we have some search and rescues that go on in the green swamp area the starky area we'll be able to be to be able to bring re uh Searchers and rescue crews into those individuals to find those individuals as well so um currently you know we we don't have a high we do have one high water rescue vehicle it's well past its life cycle um we it was 20 years old when we acquired it for free from the Army 15 years ago and it is well beyond use any any questions on that one simp oh yes correct and our next one is fire station 4 which is located in the starky area off of 54 um we are asking for a $7 million uh match to finish building that fire we currently have not identified funding for it that service area was identified back in 2016 as being needed currently we've run to date uh over a th calls in that area of which 89% of them have over a 12-minute response time so we're in a bit of a desperate need for that Chief are we still considered uh one of the busiest ambulatory services in the state third busiest in the United States sir your local match in the house May so I mean if it's $1 million project the house would not even consider unless you had a 50% Okay comination match so the $7 million is for uh that's a 50 % match so we are prepared to match the County's prepared for the other 7 million that needs to be reflected says toal we just got a recent uh construction cost for the newest fire station was 15 Millions so 14 Millions is uh okay so so these numbers are up every everything we're moving forward when public sa uh we talk for the C we're we're prepared to do a 50/50 match remember mobile homes former former fire Senator you know we're in a mobile home now uh you're in a mobile home now what do you mean uh station 19 oh yeah flooded out so we are in temporary housing there behind the fire station the seven Spring Station is going to eventually eventually yes for the last eight years we've been doing a lot toward fire stations improving the times check yeah so let me ask this Senator if we're going to go and ask you for seven for out of a $14 million project does the state have any hardn if let's say we get the 7 million from you we Mo to the feds and we got 7 million from them they don't care what Brandy could speak for the house I don't think they care where the match comes from as long as it's at least 50% it could be a combination of while we're talking about Ralph if I may I know that in work session for both Chambers the first committee week uh last year we had uh 4,000 local funding requests if you're in the Senate that's 100% uh totally over $3 billion local funding ask that number is going to be I can assure you significantly lower this year uh how much I don't know but uh I'll use me for instance last year I probably had 50 requests in we have six funding silop you can't take money from Healthcare and put it in education or vice versa we have silos too uh so just as a reality check this may be the year that uh me and representative mager and everybody else may be asked to please identify your top three or four in each s don't send me 20 so I can pay you back on that I can pretty well tell you that's how the house is our speaker May declare to us he's cutting $4 billion out of our budget y in the next two years so something's not going to get bued so we're going to have to on the house side and we still figuring out what you know we there's a lot of we we have a lot of things going on three storms for to averted all of our attention right so when I see storm water projects and things like that I think those may be a little bit more pable to the state to try to solve a flooding issue as cost issue relation back to engines rates um they have talked many times about if it's a landlord issue landlord project it probably will not be looked favorably this coming two years so we're still trying to figure out what that means is that does that mean sidewalks I don't know that it's above my right there but I do know he's cutting back and he if I didn't understand it it's my fault um we are going to be focusing on cutting because our cost of the budget running up compared to the increase in the people we're way out of L and the C the states decided that's stopping um so we're dropping 4 billion don't know where the number came from I wouldn't ask um but they have said it in every or meeting every meeting I was just there Friday I'm going Wednesday they've said it over and over and over Appropriations will not be there like they have been over the last six years they're not so be prepared for that so I'm finding out that's what goes and part of that you know with Co money and postco money came flowing down from Washington we had money we didn't know how to spend uh now I I still believe that we're going to create a a pot of money that will be labeled somewhat like disaster relief side that communities like all up and down the West Coast of Florida that need that infrastructure help to get back on their feet that may be a funding source that we've never had before and some of that money may come out of our $14 billion reserves as it should um it may be a combination of General Revenue and and resarch but represent mager is right I think both presiding officers have preached this message since before the election that uh the postco money is not there anymore and member projects will feel the pain of that probably more than any other part of the process I I asked the um Chief to come up just to mention how many fire stations we have opened up you know we we did a um a uh Bond referendum for fire and we built a how many fire stations uh six right now we're currently going to open up two more yeah so we're trying to keep up with the growth but we're we just we're not there yeah reop nice station and we are scaling back I mean I I think if you look at get 17 it's absolutely beautiful but maybe maybe there's some cost cutting we can do on the future on so we can stretch our dollars even more so just want to make sure you got people that in the fire service that want to come work for Pasco County all of a sudden I don't de many of the initiatives and some of them actually included in the fire station so the cancer initiatives that we've included in the fire station is a big selling point to a lot of individuals so yeah all right thank you which one are we on now so uh next one is number four um and and let me just stop and say again this is why we wanted to do this Workshop to get this feedback so the Commissioners and and the organization can understand what we should move forward with what is realistic knowing that you know we were going to get all these but we want to you know figure out what can um be doable so the next one is an issue that we had a discussion with our loc legislators on uh and that is again we are such a large County and when it comes time for disaster where do we house those when we have to do uh evacuations um Senator fana was able to get in a regional shelter uh when he was in office over here on the West Side uh but we don't have any shelter um that is set up on uh the east side we have to work with our schools um and and that is in law when uh that we work with our schools that um we we use their their facilities um but the legislator said why don't we have a dedicated Regional facility um for that on the east side that is built to Hurricane standards but can also do double duty do other things so it doesn't sit empty the regional shelter and Westside uh the year uh it's operated by the Department of Health so on this one I've brought up our Parks project because this is one is a unique uh project that we also sat down with uh our municipality state city to talk about uh because they had a need as well good morning Keith Wy I'm the director of parks recreation natural resources commissioner Oakley I would be remiss if I probably took the floor I know this project is something that you're very familiar with do you want me to give a quick recap or do you would like to do that okay all right so at the same time that we know we needed a shelter on the east side of the county um the city of Dade City and Pasco County was also looking at community centers and Recreation complex that are tied to their Master plans so when we all got together we said okay well the master plan for the parks plan calls for 25 30,000 foot facility the improvements in the city of dat City for their Community Center was around 10,000 and then we know that the shelter need is around 40,000 ft feet so we got together we all basically I did a planning exercise and we said effectively it makes the most sense to combine forces and budgets and figure out how we can you know put this uh facility in one location which would which would be in the city of dat City Limits and have it multifunctional um and and I think that's pretty much where we are as of right now in terms of the concept uh in terms of budget the county has $20 million uh well will have $20 million through the new impact fees that were approved last year and we're requesting $20 million um to do the remaining for the construction and I'll just add to that a lot of this started when I sat down with u commissioner uh Woodard of D city they're looking for athletics and Recreation for inside D City and Dade City is a rural community so the fact of it is I've heard in the past several times from Randy Bard and also Danny burd just they were looking for facility that it House people during the storms and things of that nature but also a meeting place for when we have meetings outside of the a regular courtrooms we like we go out to starky Ranch to the library there and have those meetings we could have this facility also facilitate that and U it's everybody seems to be on board pretty much with with the issue the fact of it it's it's more than just east side of Pasco County because it's a regional facility it's a fa facility that not not only can help people on the west side of Pasco but also in the region for as Pine County or hillsbor County will'll have a place that they can move off that coast and we just went through three terrible storms for our area that not many people even talk about Debbie but Debbie flooded Zephyr Hills they had 12 12 Ines in very short period of time it fled Z before anything really happened over on the coast and and then of course when Helen came and then melon I mean it's over 30 in people think it's all the develop we had that caused it so I so we had more power than I think so developing property but none of that development caused that that was just too much rain in a short period of time and caused a lot of flooding and all but we need that facility cuz we don't have that on the east side we're very rural on the east side we're also rural community Community looking at federal funds also I've got uh Congressman bacus he's out looking for funding for and and grants that we can use first too to help with this project so everybody seems to be okay with it and and I think it looks good fairly because of the fact we're a rural community so I think that shows up very well commissioner waitman thank you yeah good lead Keith Comm Oakley important to note for this project is this land is already off the tax rols so if it were to be funded is not going to be a lost Revenue source for the city of dat City and also during the storms what we learned is a lot of the folks from East Pasco if they were displaced from their home from the riverine flooding they were having to commute all the way to Wesley Chapel District park or the Fano shelter which nobody's going to travel 25 35 40 m away from their home when they're trying to just put any piece of their lives back you have very few hotels up in that area together so um I think the distance Wesley Chapel District park was obviously a lot closer than the team did a great job Keith and if you're going to be displaced that's a great facility to be displaced too but it it the distance I think deterred people from wanting to leave their their homes because it was so far away from where where they were so well it was a it was a good substitute the distance I just think deterred people from either leaving during the storm uh or feeling confident enough to leave their home behind and then them trying to figure out how to get a bus back wherever back up to wherever they're going from so to chair's or commissioner Oakley's project I think it's a good project for the folks well the project I left out a part of actually and most people on the east side if there's a bad storm coming in on the west side they're not going to move to Pana they're not going to move into where the problem is going to be and we kind of that's our special need shelter and it's the fact the fact of it is I forgot one major part on this property we own is also our VA office one of our three VA offices and the VA does a great job in Pasco count um the fact of it is 10,000 squ ft of this property is planned to be for that b office that ba office was built in the 50s and it needs improving but we have great people there that do a great job for our County and our veterans that's a part of this also so you know that bill rers is fully aware of these things and and he he he fights for VA every time he gets a chance no doubt a question I had on this was which which silo or can it be divided up into multiple silos would you consider this funding I was sitting here thinking the same thing trying to figure out where this would come out of it probably come out of uh under maybe T approaches under Emergency Management that's what like I mean when we looked at this and here's a great example right foreally from the house side this is a project we've been talking about several years yeah and been looking where to put it why because we saw the need where there is C weather people who would need you know this these three storms taught us a lot of things and it made sener diver in my mind of that something on the east side needs to happen right when commissioner Oakley come up and said hey I got a piece property I got something to may do together that's what we were looking for to make it but we need it for the storms and things in that nature but a great example here is 20 million right so I put in 20 milli on the house side uh that may be all I get so to me the rate is number four high on my list number four is probably number one in my list right so when we go forward and they're cutting the budgets I'm going to fight for number four it's what I'm going to fight for I see the Bigg for my community and our community so it gives you a little bit of idea of what we're going to be facing going to the pget now that's big thing now I can it all change yeah there's a lot of things have change but we're going in the house is like the chair said okay what's your number one I may give you number two what is it and mine going into this would be this and that's how I'm looking at it going forward and that's where it routes and number four is my number one it's really easy for me to make a decision but if money opens up then we need to rate them yeah where do we need to go so I know where we need to put the best and it's going to be what happens out of these storms and where like you said where they want to take the money out of and that tells us what part we can get to I think we're lucky that the that your budget chairman is our neighbor Hillsboro County represent with plure good guy good Common Sense guy that obviously Tampa Bay is home U so he and I work well together I you we're going to do the best we can we sick and tired of some of our Southeast counties in this state getting all yeah all the grease we don't want to be treated extraordinarily we just want to be treated equ kind of going to be the goal for me going is let's make sure everybody gets treated fa this project pulls everybody together because it is RO and it will help not only Pasco will help hillsbor and he's I think a lot because it's just us not the state trying to pull the whole way to build like in the S Center we have several people involved to try to make this come through so that's what we're going to fight me I always worri that this is a project that that the executive branch yeah sometimes that that vote seems to be that that's that should be a project of the local governments and we with that every session I mean he only got me for 50 million last year we we feel those very much in Pasco County happens to us a lot play here St and that's what we're going to figure out in the next work well we hired three loving firms to help protect the vetos anybody good well they're a bit questionable besides those two this is good job protect the vetto and again we appreciate this feedback uh we did not anticipate that you know all of these would be you know seeking sponsors but we want to F what is doable what uh you know and and and we again appreciate talking about the local match uh the different silos knowing that there might be something for emergency and Recovery uh coming off those hurricanes uh we always know water is another priority we have a an issue dealing with that um so the next one please go ahead yeah thank um you know represent maget I think you really touched a good note as far as your passion is going to be for this project and part of this meeting was all about finding what your passions were we've got a list my long but we need to find out which ones you think are best in col all right so that's the beauty of this whole thing but I will tell you we we do feel that uh you know it's not just part of the county we're we're one County um um when tropical storm Debbie came years ago and flooded out little road that connection to 54 everybody in pency was stuck nowhere to go well I'm going to bring that up here in a second that that drove us to go to make it an elevated hurricane route to make it safe and better and that road is a tremendous benefit for transportation as well as going forward but then we looked at that as a regional thing and I think this is a regional thing as well with all the storms that hit Dade City and zepher Hills over the summer before debb e got here hurricane debut they were in trouble all the way through and then when the storm's hit it's like what do you do next and we're going to work on some big infrastructure things but I think this this shelter out there is very much needed because like you say you're not going to drive 30 40 mil unless you really had if you're stuck on an island you couldn't get into maybe you're going to just go do it but this facility could help anywhere around the central part of the state as well with those storms tend to go that we've seen many times so I do think it's a very big regional thing and I think it's very applicable I do want to make sure when we build it though we build it so unlike the hurricane shelter we built in been on board I would have given you those inches I know you could literally if we went up like another 18 in or 2 ft we could have made that where it could have been an indoor volleyball place all sorts of other Indoor Sports dur instead of just sitting there and we do have Premier Healthcare which helps that area for poor folks to come right there was great so tie in with the with the VA the benefits of this are just complex so you may be hit like four or five pots of money with this we're still going to go federally too to try to get more money as well but whatever you can do with it I think with this is something that is a great thisf add to what said Mr Marana was it's going to be designed where you have basketball and a Olympic Swim tool in this this facility and our meeting rooms and things where we can have extra meetings but it'll have that activity it's right next to a elementary school and a junior high school and it's not too far from the high school so there is a multiuse building and vaa of being this building also it just connects everybody together in this one facility quick and an Aquatic Facility there much on the east side yes yes that's that's um number five lot of love a lot of love um the next one uh that we'd like to discuss uh is our emergency portable generators for Wastewater storm recovery and resilience again coming off of the storms what occurred in our County hi everyone Jeff Brockman I'm the director of utilities operations and maintenance uh a little history is we have 845 lift stations throughout the county during Hurricane Helen we had 280 of those lift stations that were affected and we had to bring back online during Hurricane Milton we had 440 the difference between the the two hurricanes hurricane Helen was mostly our West communities hurricane Milton it was countywide we have 10 or excuse me 13 generators that we currently own uh and we're seeking an addition a funding for additional 25 uh portable generators uh this is drastically going to help us uh make sure that we uh get the county back online uh we we took those 13 generators that we owned and we also received 10 from the state uh but we had to shuffle those resources throughout the county uh so as we brought lift stations down we had to take that portable generator move it to another lift station do the same thing and that was uh 24/7 effort for for quite a period of time um and receiving these additional generators would be um helping the operation moving forward I experienced that problem in two neighborhoods in Gulf Harbors and um aresa where the generate the lift stations went down and everything came up in the street um it was just gushing out of the street number one and you were there in front of commissioner or John Gallagher's house it was coming up and out and and actually the generator in in front of the Gul Harbor civic association building right across the street the lift station went out and they just had remodeled the community building and everything came up through the toilets and the showers and ruined the brand new building so um but and you had to take the generators away from the pumps that were draining the lake out there and then the water got into the houses but um but they were needed in other places so we this is this is a real big hurricane storm prevention absolutely and to add to that ma'am uh you know these are resources that we can share with other departments um and these are also resources that our other municipalities Reach Out For assistance that we can provide assistance to them as well you guys just running around bringing those to the different lift stations just to get some capacity it was a lot of work M yeah and you know this is such a environmentally sensitive thing as well when that waste bottle topples over I can't tell you the calls I've got from everybody in crossb over and over again yeah uh at their best they can't keep up with what's here repres B's house had the same problem in vanel it all came up yeah now we we got turn to do a short-term fix with sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry no just I know I know personally she had the same problem with lift station going out and the suage coming up in Sil had I this is the problem insult on injury well every city and every state organization is want to be other than this everyone has so we have a generated po issue I guess live in lost power okay the next two are uh pertaining to our infrastructure uh and I'm gonna have uh Nick come back up our County engineer uh to talk about these two projects uh Nick yep good morning again I think first off let me just say up front I hear you on the 50% match so we can revise the application materials to reflect that we will provide a 50% match for both of the these uh Appropriations requests first one is Curly Road and Wells Road sidewalks we have some gaps that prohibit safe access to the three schools that are located on Wells Road and we are intending to construct the sidewalks needed to provide that safe um Network we're hoping the state would be willing to participate in some of those costs uh second one is Trinity Boulevard and that's really the the Gateway between pelis and Pasco County for southwestern Pasco County residents as well as Northern Hill uh pelis residents we are identifying the need to to provide um bike Lanes on the corridor which exist on the penella side of the county line but not on the Pasco side and that would get us up to little road we want to increase the capacity of the Little Road intersection by adding East and Westbound second through Lanes so that would uh relieve any congestion that's experienced by Bas today at the Little Road intersection then we also have a desire to install U fiber optic cable and traffic cameras at all the signalized intersections on Trinity Boulevard from Little Road to State Road 54 and that allows for the operational efficiencies needed to make those signals um function at their highest level we're hoping that this works in concert with the efforts that you have going inas County I think you're you know what's happening in that area yeah we I'm working with County uh pelis especially on East Lake Road it's currently three lane up to tart Woods Boulevard basic reception of Bridge every and to three lane that road each Direction because some of us in the morning from 6:30 to 9 can sit through seven signals seven signals seven signals at Trinity and East Lake and then uh down to Keystone road is another five to seven Cycles so the county is working on costing out and that's a county road so the state may not helped them do that um they know the need to three lane that road with what they have developed allowed to be developed along that Corridor and that would get us up to at least the Pasco County Line um then the burden falls on you but but there there's a need in the morning rush hour and the evening rush hour that those streets are overloaded Beyond any potential capacity whatsoever yeah so I agree that um that may be one that might have Senator Hooper's name on the so this is our companion to yours and maybe some guy named jger um I know that I get calls uh about that intersection I and I the the Trinity and East Lake and it's it's in pelis county and until you moved here no one really felt the pain much because it's it's the northernmost light in penel County right it it is and uh at least penel County repaved their portion of Trinity to the county line know no pressure um I'm sure it's on our plan especially now that we pass have some money with our and and I know that we I think we all anticipate that the the Redevelopment project at Mitchell and ler road is going to be significant in terms of traffic and and infrastructure and uh I'm sure they'll get the share and the cost to to help with those improvements but that's going to be a project yeah we um we had the money to widen Trinity in our Tiff funding but a number of years ago we re aligned our Tiff Transportation infrastructure funding um we we changed it and pulled a little bit out that goes to the parks department to help with their costs and I don't remember where else it went and they thought that um tax incremental financing T tax incremental financing and we thought that that we would be able to keep up with the cost of widening roads and building roads but the cost of Roads went up so much that the Trinity Boulevard funding fell out of our fiveyear plan what happens today is is as people go eastbound on Trinity they get to Robert Trent Jones SL little and there's one straight Lane and one right turn lane only and two left turn Lanes and all those people in the inside Lane until they see that sign just before the signal now they're cutting people off trying to get into the go through Lane so even a slight extension of that Beyond a little road would would alleviate uh a lot of near disasters and some disasters of people trying to get the right the correct way great okay good information for our County engineer and in fact this project will alleviate that exact concern we also address um State funding from um is it state or federal for the bike the the uh orange belt Trail is coming along Trinity Boulevard where's that funding come from that state funding FL it's state funding through the sunt trail program it's the suntrail funding okay and so we we do have that coming on the I believe it's the south side of Trinity Boulevard it'll go all the way up and connect to the existing Trail um at the your Public's there at um Community Drive and then parts of it are already built it goes all the way to rangeland and that'll eventually come up here to with Luchi State trail that is the continuation of the pelis County Trail it's the old orange belt railroad line and that construction should be starting soon so I don't know if you might go back to your pellis county um uh folks and make sure they have they have they do have the RightWay they can continue that to East Lake yeah that would be good then we could connect that stretch to the panal County Trail over there at where it comes to East Lake and tarpet and I do believe that more and more people are going to use those trails to get to work um on those electric bikes and scooters and we see it more and more in the county that people use alternative methods to to travel around you allow the motor is that considered a motorized vehicle the electric bikes it um they have to be pedal assist there are State rules but you can go on those um and you have to stay at a certain speed did commissioner wait yes thank you so num number six um it's a sidewalk request but please don't take the request it's trivial we've had with with your with with your help and rep Steel's help rep magger and buris we've been the last two years um chipping away we've been chipping away we received funding and made it through and we've officially funded uh the both segments with the partnership of the state for the first phase and the second phase to the county this last budget cycle uh Pine View middle and elementary and that how we're coming with these lists is based on the most dangerous schools in Pasco County so we're working closely with our school board of where the need is to get kids and families to and from school since busing has ended the courtesy busing within the 2 mile radius because they just don't have drivers in this location number six is number two on that list and um we've we've made it last year we made it to the governor's list unfortunately he vetoed it but we've we've been able to capture funding at least almost all the way across the Finish Line two years in a row and uh families and folks out in the world are incredibly appreciative over the sidewalk funding we know it's it's it's a lot of money but not a lot of money uh but when folks see these coming they see their tax dollars at work for them and are just incredibly grateful so I know it's not a big ticket item when you look it on here but the impact for folks is incred this is a project probably comes out of the the road the transportation budget Silo and stuff education that's okay I don't care where it comes from yeah I can I just add that to we have to keep in mind that these kids are walking to school when it's dark so um I agree it's extremely important but just thank you everybody in the state for the last two years uh of your help with this it's it's been a good run so far and hopefully we can keep chipping away keep the moment um I want to go back to number seven I'm oh go ahead um I want to ask a question to Mr Goldstein I know you're sitting there going good God what's happening um I remember back in our Bop and Metro days this sidewalks on curly isn't the responsibility of one of those developers to widen and curly to four lane to do that here anyway when it was it I don't know if it was Craig and water gr water gra so it it depends on what part of curly you're talking about you're talking about the northern supposed to take it there to 54 cuz I know the part of it was Metro then Bop had a little bit of it then we hit about overpass South then that was supposed to be expanded by the developers all we 54 so I didn't know where that was related to the sidewalks because if they're we're going to take it from two to four you don't want to redo the sidewalks out the so whoever whichever developer or the county that's responsible would be required to put in sidewalks with the new construction there is a piece south of overpass that was already done is two lanes by Craig Weber's group um there is a missing piece that there's no developer that controls it I think through the there's a family that still owns that property um that eventually the county would have to do that so I'm not sure there's no there's no vop developer on the hook for the portion South for any additional portion south of overpass okay so the nut property that was sold on that decid are they going to are they expanding and widen that down to he didn't well they have not come in for development yet on that piece but if they do yes we would likely require that they they would be part of vop and they would likely get vop credits for doing that so yes if that ever comes in for development we would require them to build that road for credits trying to think I know there was some traffic count click off when Metro buil and as they kept building it clicked off more roads had to be put in I remember that I mean that's been a while conversations I didn't know where we were at in that process if we're getting ready to do that and I don't want to delay the project but we don't want to go to four lanes and out to redo it anyway that's where you you are correct that connected City had an obligation to fund some off-site roads one of those is the road that goes into the vop Super park that's the priority but curly Road South is also on that list as well so there is potentially some future funds that will come out of connected City for that road does that answer your question yeah I just didn't know where that was getting ready to trigger because there was a lot of a lot of houses a lot of traffic a lot of public moving up and down that so I didn't know when that part was going to trigger so I was trying to figure out but thanks to supplement what David just said your memory is remarkable um we we are we are constructing like part of our lives up forever so well thank you both for for Paving the way literally for the request that we're making today um this segment of sidewalk would be on the west side of Curly from 54 up to Wells to service the existing residents and then when development comes in on the east side which is the area that I think you're referring to they would be obligated to at least consider the expansion of the road to four lanes and the construction of a multi-use pathway on the east side of the road so nothing that we're asking for today would be throwaway it would be useful Construction in the interim period until we can get a better uh ultimate facility constructed for that Corridor I remember the master Road plan at that time was there there was a number triggered and then they were whoever I can't remember where from the credits four lane was going to go all the way to 54 anyway okay I mean it wasn't stay in two lane right even talk it would have to go to Six Lane at one at one point of all this because you think of all those homes coming in and all the development at the time I just wanted to know where the trigger point was cuz there's a lot of traffic on that road understood know if it was getting close enough for that trigger number and I remember that part but I may be part R out that we talked about a lot of RS and Randy one one side has a multi-use path and one side has a sidewalk on in this location the West Side would have the sidewalk the East Side would be the multi-use path yeah okay thanks um I I need to go back to Trinity Road for a second try bouevard I'm sorry and this is kind of for more for next year um something we talked about at the county if you saw during the hurricane Little Road went underwater and little road is part of the CIS system and is part of the evacu evacuation route for pelis County um but I have a video here it literally had a river going in Pro we had to shut it down um if you notice in in the community that you live in Heritage Springs the the um the ponds are always at he full capacity they never get drawn down yes they do in Su no barely barely that are along Trinity Boulevard yeah um and and then we had a lot of residents again who you know get flooded in Thousand Oaks and that there's a whole another story of why that happens but I feel we need to be looking at solutions to drive down that those pawns better ahead of a storm ahead of the big storms and stop little road going going underwater and that's going to take some engineering work the um Army Corps came here a number of years ago and looked at doing a big study with Swift Mud Randy may remember this when he was on Swift Mud board and commissioner Oakley and commissioner waitman um that they looked at holding back the ankot river and uh providing storage on the East part of starky wilderness preserve on the 4,000 Acres that the state bought to comp mitigate for the Sun Coast Parkway because that has different rules on it than the 8,000 Acres that are on the starky Wilderness Park you cannot change those those are very strict environmental rules on it from our family the Army Corps said the cost of holding back that River and large rain events was too great for the benefit and and um so they mixed that that program so we're kind of left hanging with no solution right now um for the Trinity area and flooding there were discussions about putting compa uh conveyance I don't speak his language putting letting water go under Trinity bullart out um so I think we have to go back and revisit some kind of solution for for the TR and it could be just getting Swift to let us open those Gates earlier but we do need an engineering look at getting water capacity out of Trinity and and big rain events so that'll be hopefully something we'll bring to you next year sure yeah so touch a little bit more what part of the the water is supposed to flow on like Booker Creek oh yeah P County water comes North into Thousand Oaks in Trinity so that may be part of it but the other part is and we've done some uh best management practices with Swift Mud with the Ami cor taking some of the water out like the old CVS store back above and changing the I'll give you a t relates early but the whole thing is going to be the conveyance when everything was dry way back when all these we started growing all the vegetation was in now the wetlands are full if we can get the water to be conveyed it'll work and if you if you take a look at all the flooding goes on that area when it goes past that CVS it goes into oakd oakd never floods never the water flows a lot more water Jani J in conveys the water out the place to the pass that was the reserve that was like really a choke point Swift Mud went in did a great job opening them up and now they flow and it goes into the ank so if the back end get get conveyance and flows then we should be able to get conveyance on the other end and that's going to take I think with the in January 20th from here on in we may be in better shape to go make it work but I think the conveyance and that's what the developers did from years ago and the improvements we made show that but I think that will be the key yeah we so that's just going to take a little work um but I think I think there's a a not too expensive solution that we can get to to get more water out so we've got to keep little road from getting shut during a hurricane I think you also got to put put in perspective I have done many of these type meetings and not that we got to be realistic what happened to us doesn't happen every year right so we can't overreact because we were 14 in above rainfall then Debbie Ela I me we don't know what the one in 500 one in 200 whatever that is that was I guess not it's a bad P but the perfect storm that hit our area yeah and we also need to look back at we have 60 the whole state was hit and 67 counties had the same qu same problems that Pasco County is having about wow what what are we going to do with all this water and there comes to a point you can't do nothing you only can put so much in a full cup so we have to mitigate as much we can but there's nothing I don't think we could have built that protected us from what happened yeah that we we couldn't big big enough canals we couldn't have run the bypass Canal all wa through the no State dump it in so I think we got to look at some of this stuff logic 301 flooded I've grown up on 301 it's never flooded 98 flooded there's a bu what my point is there's a bunch of major highways for a bunch of major people that flooded that with the coochie went a mile out of his base m a mile that covered highways so I mean I think we got to put this in perspective when we want to try to solve a problem well how long do we want to solve a one is it for 1 to 100 which is what we're designed to do or do we want to start doing one in 500 we don't have enough money there's no way y right and I agree with you 100% and that's why an Army Corps rightfully said it's cheaper to buy out some of those houses that repeatedly flood there there might be five or six you know in, and um and you know we buy them Elevate help them Elevate or whatever but um it this isn't the first time that little roads been shut for what Mitch Park is a retention area yeah yeah and it's not the wor Solution that's better than Road flooding oh we use in Tampa area we use Morse Bridge we'll shut it down we got 16,000 Acres of stay we flood it but little road is a um it floods too often you got do you got to move water somewhere when you can't when the and the rivers about we have a place to move it to we have a place to move it to but regulatory issues are keeping us from moving it out that we need to work on this is a goodly way into our last project that we wanted to talk to you about uh a storm water project Sea Pines uh have a our Public Works director come up and and talk about that and then we'll do a little followup with you than good morning everybody uh Jason michl Public Works director um like Keith did we have uh commissioner Marano um and if you would like to say a few words about this um absolutely you I would turn it over to you um but if you'd like I could just open up with a minute or so let me jump in a little bit because before you were here we had a lot of things that were going on I mean literally in my whole terms from 20 years back when working on this project represented Mariano and Simpson first worked on this project trying to get all the homes out of the flood zone and that's what they've done so it talks about like 32 homes but there's actually 800 homes involved we've gone through we bought Waters uh that actually go into the Gulf that can now directly take it out we've got rideways going through that we've bought gone through the process work with the HOA over the past like three years to go through the whole process to line up this major project that's going to take all those homes and they start out like a 5ft elevation at one point it goes down to 3T before it gets out to the gulf it's very slow moving but everything we've got in here we've already bought the RightWay we've already made contracts with the HOAs this $22 million project is sitting with the Army Corps right now to get the final part through so we're kind of like the 404 firm had sold us up but literally for $5 million more we can take a major project and get this thing all the way done and save let's say it's 800 homes there but there's even another two or 300 homes around it that are all going to benefit from it so that overview guys oh no thank you CHR um so we talk a lot about resiliency um you hear that word kind of kind of a buzz word um This truly is a resiliency project we have we have an opportunity to help a community a Pasco County Community um become more resilient uh and the way we would do that is this is a pre permitting community so they don't have a ton of infrastructure there not looks like we're putting up some recent are those all recent pictures from Storm yes so this this doesn't take this type of storm um or the storm SE that we had to make this community flood uh they do flood in in much smaller events cumulative uh storm water events like our typical um thunderstorms throughout the summer um but I what I would say just for a couple of numbers we do have about 32 homes and about 2,000 ft of road that we will take out of the flood plane by doing these projects the reason why it's it seems like such a large project is because it is three projects in one um each one of them has its own phasing so you have um the Sea Pines main project and kind of the South and the West Side you have the Le Drive project in the north side then you have kind of the local project for a lot more of the smaller homes on the um East Side all those together is about a $22 million project I would say we have about $3.5 million in in Swift Mud District dollars um that they've committed to us as long as we have a local match um just for a couple of numbers we we got about 13.5 million in our money in Pasco County money about 3.5 in Swifton money and the rest is what we're asking for the $5 million shortfall we have communicated with swift Bud as long as we have a match their match is good um they're not going to take any of that from us by getting um a state allocation so just in summary uh we had about 32 homes we could take out of the flood plane we have about two 2,000 um feet of of local roads that we would also take out um we're requesting uh $5 million and we really consider this to be a um a resiliency project for the for the county be imminent domain or they all willing participants everyone we've got through was all willing we didn't do any domain we just kind of went to them we met with the civic association had a forum right here with everybody uh the HOAs like kind of were battling with us at first because they have like a key piece of property that they were going to end up giving to us we end up buying it from them but that whole connection but the whole Community came out supported it want to see it through and literally it says 32 that's just the flood plane it affects the 800 homes as the water flows out so the ho's done and literally we B we bought probably I want to say six different large Parcels that we had to buy the last one that was hang that hung us up why this wasn't done in one project from the Geto was we had a doctor that had piece of property that connected to Old Dixie a developer was coming down below the doctor finally sold to us so now we can take the property from the feat as you mentioned where it just backs up all these hes and take it right off to Old Dixie right down Gul way uh right down to gway and then connecting right over to a to a canal that's right there that is really just two lots we we bought as well instead of running down this narrow little walkway that little uh cul that then has to go out to another Canal down to the South now we can go there treat the water so it's a clean project treats your water well so the water goes into the Gulf cleaner and better all the way down can I just add as well um Colleen just reminded me um two of these phases the two big phases are already designed so we're close to shovel ready the the hurdle is what you have already talked about is the 404 permitting um on SE Pines we still have a 404 permit process that we're in and on the leit phase we're hopeful that we can either move forward without it or get through that quicker so um we'll see how the permit process goes we have a um prea meeting with the Army Corps that we are working on to try to move this along as quickly as possible did slow us down a little but we are working through it literally we were ready to go until they they stopped us down but I think as you said with what's going to happen jary 20th i' expect to have the permit right January 27th you'll be able to be shovel ready in year yeah if we can get perit yeah year or less year or less I would assume the senator one of them may know but let me know on your 404 okay absolutely no any help I can get but for be from a from a from a state perspective this is the type of project I'm hearing don't know that for a fact and I think the chairman looks at it this is the project for $5 million solve 800 homes I can't think what else could be better for our 14 billion that we had that we need use 5 for 800 I think we can go pitch that over and above you know High priorities number four right this is a project I think the state's going to be looking at coming into this going forward I can see this I can get beatto killed just as easy as anything else but I can see this as a you have so many people involved this to me is a practical project I predict we'll have between water projects and natural uh resources environmental we'll have three times more projects in that than any other stuff so have we have we done a good job of targeting those enough do you think I mean we we had a lot longer list and um and we paired it down but did we do you have any suggestions for us and you know I would ask the representatives and their their um folks that are here what are their number one priorities and can and maybe some of the ones that we don't have on here we want to be smart um maybe we can align better with some of our other projects that align with some of our Representatives M chair if I could I want to just touch on this project just a little bit further before we break away I thank you I support no I know but but something something else that come up in mind that I want to touch on don't Mar yourself out no no no no I'm the Sal for you come and go just like you did that's it write it up no no we we're we actually to work to rewrite it we're going to work to re a little bit better because one of the things that's going to benefit this what we haven't been able to do is acate to Pro we haven't done one conversion and we've done a submitt for that David's working on that already with another set of projects so that's going on forward and what that also enabl me to do is we much wanted to pave these roads too but we didn't want to do that with these roads always going underwater during tropical storm Debbie many years ago when that storm came in I think it that I think that was a storm it damaged so many roads with the truck shrer over it the part of the settlement from FEMA was they actually lightly pav some of the roads in there but the rest of them are in terrible shape so this is really going to help Elevate the community and effectively take seua projects with a coastal project really help out the area you actually use BP money those roads lightly PID for debb we actually had BP money that we used for FEMA didn't help us at all how much of the County's Reserve hunds to we use ACC to T major hurricanes um speaking offand I think my budget director is in here as well but I I know that we are estimating anding we're estimating a total costs right now what right roughly about 50 million with with glass storm so we've we have been paying for that either out of general fund Solid Waste reserves wherever it's appropriate so and how big is the reserve funding Reserve funding right now on the general fund probably 80 million um but there's are those un we park money in the reserve fund for large projects so is that including those large projects or you know so no I mean those would be our those would be our reserves what we have set we we earmark them you know in in a spreadsheet off when we we we look at projects so I mean those are the numbers I mean and and we project what those numbers are going to be and we have a number of operational expenses because we we do a 5 to 10 year outlook of how those numbers are going to get spent down and and they actually do go down simple question I think representative office how much money do we have in reserves it's truly reserved it's unrestricted yeah right 20 million 15 million what's not come uh I what think yeah I mean I I would say that probably I can't give you an exact number we can we can get back to that but I will tell you we target to have 60 days of operations set aside for what you just saw happen a couple of months ago the rest of that is is a planned expenditure usually for something right and all these projects are really important so I was just wondering if they aren't fully funded or um don't get funding at all are we going to look into tapping some of the reserves we would we would have to make hard decisions hard budgeting decisions like we do every year sir don't don't you have is there a statute where you're required to maintain a certain level of res of reserves I don't know if it's a statutory it's more of uh what we would call good practice in the in the governmental accounting World which is a minimum of 16.7 67% and that's a minimum govern we can take it down all the way to nothing it's not a bad correct I was just going to say it's that would have bit us that would have come back in B Us in October I would have promised you that it have been everybody yeah yeah only thing I'm going to say from the house side wi up we have have the LA here um you know I have two projects in my district I know what number on from L person right um I would get with them and I would rank them I mean I think what they're asking is I only going to get one what am I getting what what do you what do I got to go fight for and I think I would do that I mean I pretty well know mine it's pretty simple but we also look at it I mean we'll be well I'm sure we'll have the same discussion at the delegation meeting right where we'll be able to talk about all of us um to be able to discuss some of these but I would get those County I would get with each of the members that all these numbers in go talk to them and say hey this is what I got to happen right we if money opens up whatever the world does I don't know this is ha's um and that's my suggestion out of it so you've heard from what my side of it is um we're going to find out more as we get into it we're going to start committee week I think the 8th something like that of January then everything just compl compl so we're going to know a lot more about it right but he's already told us and I think the chair said it he's going to be a part of it we're cut so that's my suggestion on the out we appreciate that just to close just thank you both for being here leing the Senate and the house and uh we don't capture any funding at least from my perspective if we're able to to check off a number of these policy glitch Bill items they're just as important because there's you know monetary ties to to these decisions and so anything we can do is a win in my book and grateful for any help that we can we can get along the way so look forward for to a good session and appreciate you all support and have this point where we can I think the good news is you're one of the fastest growing counties in the nation and the bad news is you're one of the fast that comes with a lot of uh a lot of things that pop up quicker than you anticipated absolutely so from the legis from the legislative delegation side this this was really a good meeting this was an opportunity we would never have this opportunity to sit as a group and talk about um priorities and and policy issues otherwise we can't do it at delegation meeting um that's for the citizens to express their I thank you all for coordinating this R thank you for him seeing it uh and and allowing us to sit down as a group and and just openly chat this this is what a workshop ought to be wonderful well thank you all very much yep we are very grateful to everyone and um please get back to us if you have more questions or if you need more information we're going to fix the numbers on the one that aren't matching up right and get them back out to you um and again I think we heard you know prioritized you know don't don't ask for the world but go back in and prioritize make sure you have those matches make sure um you know that it it cannot be funded out of the The Reserve or or or other other pots of money but again that's why we we set this up so we could get that kind of feedback uh as we move move forward and uh we we again appreciate you all both being here and pleased for some of you that have not been through legislative budgeting process don't panic when the first budget comes out if your $5 million item s to$ 250,000 Don't Panic it's way too early to panic it those numbers change dramatically from week three to week seven um first budget is going to come out week three of session well that's that's good advice a lot of people there look like well this doesn't help me at all just forget about it well I guess the question is when they start panicking probably when you panick something want to say anything just ask y pan in yet I think that's that's a scary thing to a lot of people react Mike you need Mike learn the word sprinkle this is Mike Southern yeah it happened many times last year and I'm sure Sean can attested this as well where I had projects with some of our clients that came in at 250 came in at 5 and eventually they got up to two2 and A5 million dollars you know so yeah don't panic if if it's in there as a placeholder you're good I just want to plug for them that they're not magicians it's just going to be a you know you guys can't make you know things is going to be a different type of year so um I do think um it's important for us to hear from our other Representatives that aren't here today what their priorities are and where their priorities where they feel we are on this list and make sure we're uh in unison on on what we're asking for and if we need to Pivot we want to be as successful as we can obviously for our constituents for your constituents too and uh make it get the governor's pen so um we we actually spend a lot of time and do a lot of work on coming up with our our lists and um we appreciate working with you guys to help uh bring bring home some some positive results for for our citizens sure we want we want you to be successful too so do we yeah okay is any any other comments no just Merry Christmas merry merry Christmas everybody new it's been a oh did you want to look at this or no Pasco County waterways and Wildlife depend on you to keep them healthy excess f izer grass clippings trash oils and pet waste wash into gutters and storm drains when it rains storm water carries these pollutants directly into our lakes and rivers creating an unhealthy environment for 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