##VIDEO ID:B8sktgXl5O4## [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] oh [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] to call the meeting to order all the mic's set everybody here can everybody hear us from up here yeah yeah okay so if we could stand for a moment of silence and the Pledge of Allegiance [Music] pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy Justice all okay Madam clerk can we have the roll call please Mr Jamie Gerard here Mr Christopher P here Mr John Moody here Mr Matthew M here mrin here Mr Richard here chairman Charles here thank you and approve for publication please the items were advertised in the Tampa Times on July 10th 2024 December 25th 2024 and January 8 2025 or by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings all right thank you we have minuts to approve no no so I'd like to welcome everyone we're the Planning Commission and we're appointed by the board of County Commissioners we meet twice monthly we serve as a local planning agency and we hold public hearings and transmit to the board of County Commissioners our recommendations on comprehensive plan amendments Land Development code amendments resoning and conditional use requests the re the Planning Commission is the uh final decision-making body for special exceptions certain appeals variance requests and certain alternative standard requests however final decisions may be appealed to the board of County Commissioners if anyone is in opposition to any resoning comprehensive plan Amendment de uh development code Amendment uh the Planning Commission transmits to the uh Board of County Commissioners it's important for you to attend the appropriate Board of county commissioner meeting for those of you who aren't familiar with the uh meetings we have three sections we have continuances we have um consent agendas and we have regular items um I believe today we have mostly consent and continuance but it's been our custom to Grant continuances when they've been requested by the staff or the applicant unless they're extenuating circumstances and consent agenda we'll go through those one item at a time if there's something on consent that you'd like to have heard when we read it out just raise your hand and we'll be glad to pull it off consent for uh to put on to the regular items those and any items that go on to regular will be totally vetted today have a chance to get up and speak on those items um so if you um are here to speak about something that's not on today's agenda uh this would be the time to do it um anything that's not on today's agenda is anyway here for that okay somebody raising their hand in the back oh there is okay okay so um if you want to come forward state your name and address please where everybody yeah uh and uh let me before you start let me I'll just finish here I want to U ask everyone to um please if you have a phone or something put it on silent position and uh we request that when uh we address the Planning Commission uh you address them as a local planning agency and comments are are directed not personally to any particular commissioner but to the Planning Commission in general so um and I don't think has anyone requested additional time I don't think there is has been we have not received any request okay all right so if you will anyone who plans to give testimony today if you'll Raise Your Right stand raise your right hand and be [Music] sworn do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you go I do okay so if you give us your name and address sir my name is George megaludis MH the address is 3 539 Emory Drive High Lake States okay go ahead oh I'm sorry um there was supposed to be a meeting today about the uh uh rezoning behind the high school anot high school and anot Elementary School for a 300 unit apartment complex or building complex is that on today's agenda it was it was written on the on the placarded in front of the property okay continue I believe that's on pc4 which is Anclote town home mpud for lar homes LLC that's a continuance and that's a continuance to February 20th PC meeting um Planning Commission meeting at 1:30 in Newport Richie so that'll be February 20th so we have to come back yeah I mean you can speak to it today but then you wouldn't be able to speak to it on the 20th so the only the only concern is about that piece of property is that it has one exit in one exit out one entrance in one exit out and the exit is in the school zone so the uh to be clear that I'm not even sure if the applicant is here because they this was notic as a continuance so they wouldn't even be here to respond to your concerns well I'm just explaining it that's all I know but I'm just saying you you're probably better off coming on the day when it'll be heard and expressing these concerns of the applicant can respond to your concerns and hopefully address them they this body won't be able to address them because okay Liam is the applicant even here I just don't want you to miss your we don't want you to miss your opportunity to get your word get your concerns out so so is the applicant present the applicant is not present okay so my recommendation to you would be that you come what is the date Liam on this one February 20th 20th but you also have meeting on the 25th I believe February 25th would be the board of County Commissioners meeting right but this will not go to the board County Commissioners meeting on the 25th if it's going to the Planning Commission on the 20th what would be the board date Liam for this I believe it's 3:25 but let me confirm that would be the corresponding BCC dat although it would still need to be continued at February 25th meeting to be able to get to that March one on 325 so I don't think it's it's not going to be heard on the February 25th either because it's being continued here and by the board March March March 25th February 20th here and March 25th you said for the board meeting correct going be any notice given because there's only one thing in front of the property they're technically not required to Ren notice it as long as they announce the new dates at these meetings and at the board meeting that's why which we haven't gotten to it yet but I suspect staff was going to get up and announce to you what the new date will be yeah when we get through we go through these one at a time that they'll give us the new date so the two dates that you gave me are solid right the 20th that's what they will be as soon as they come up today unless they try to continue it again the 20th of February the 20 th of March right correct I'm shaking his head yes cuz we can pass the word around for that yeah in theory it could be continued again but you're going to want to keep an eye out on the website to see if there's any changes between website is that the Pasco County Pasco County's website for the planning it show it shows the agenda for this meeting and you can click on the items and actually would show you that this item is being continued okay because it might save you to it might save you a trip down here if it's being continued again I have all day okay well you usually about a week before one of those retired guys okay usually about a week before the new agenda comes out so be before the 20th you're going to want to check that agenda to see if it's on there and if it's on there as an item that's being heard then you then you can come and speak to it okay lamb did you have something yes I do I my colleague Jacob Gates who's the planner for Planning Development on this project is in this room he can certainly meet with you and walk you through on how to find that on the website and he can provide his contact information okay Mr Gates is very back there say with his hand up oh so you can go back and have a little talk with right now thank you so much appreciate it thank you for coming appreciate it you too okay anybody else to speak on something that's not on today's agenda okay all right I think we can start then good afternoon Li Divine Planning Development and economic growth Department um pc1 pde 25-7 a07 it's a special exception request in the name of lakes Shore Boulevard LLC this is coming with a request to continue the item to a date uncertain okay the applicant present anyone here to object I see neither PC2 pde 25- 7806 it's a the corresponding zoning Amendment for the special exceptional request that I just read um Lakeshore Boulevard LLC this is also coming with a request to continue the item to a date uncertain okay the applicant president no anyone here to object no PC3 pde 25776 n it's a zoning amendment in MIRS for um LLC this is coming with a request to continue the item to Planning Commission um in Newport Richie at 1:30 on February on February 20th all right the applicant presid anyone here to object okay no objection pc4 pde 25- 7813 it's a zoning Amendment in the name of ano um town home mpud lenar Holmes LLC this is coming with a request to continue the item to Planning Commission um in Newport Richie at 1:30 on February 20th all right the applicant present anyone here to object okay that's it for continuing that was your last continuance reest Mr chair move to continue uh items pc1 and PC2 to data uncertain PC3 and pc4 to February 20th in Newport Richie second we have a motion and second further discussion on the motion all in favor signify by saying I I oos like sign okay motion carries our next item is pc5 pde 25-cu 05 it's a conditional use Amendment request in the name of Spanish lakes land company LLC Spanish Lakes CU it's a conditional use amendment to remove the height limitation of the previously approved multif family dwellings in C2 General commercial District um it's on um West Central Pasco County and it is approximately 150 ft north of State Road 52 and east of Deerbrook Boulevard containing about approximately 18.65 acres and this is coming with a request to approve the item um with conditions as provided in your agenda packet all right the applican present anyone here to object I see any objections okay um pc6 we do have one individual sign up to speak virtually on this item and we do have individuals in the audience who have signed up to speak on this item so if we can pull that item okay so the next item after pc6 is pc7 which is is pde 25- z82 it's a development agreement in the name of hamlington Oaks MP mpud master plan unit development um and Stephanie v son William D Brown ET all propose is a development agreement da for Hamilton Oaks MP and this is coming with a recommendation for approval is the applicant present any want here to object one objection sorry do you want it pulled apolog what last one pc6 is already being pulled that was the son Hudson M PE back pc5 okay it's pc5 all right so you want to speak to pc5 we pleas pc5 and we're pulling pc7 is that what you said pc6 six six I know but I thought she said seven also five and six I believe she's not pulling pc7 okay okay so we they have the applicants present and there's no one here to object okay and then our last item which is your addendum item apc8 which is um pde 25- 7799 it's a zoning Amendment it's a substantial modification um pristine Lake Preserve mpud um Walker development company a rezoning requests um to substantially modify the pristine Lake Preserve mpud to amend the mpud uses to allow for the development of a 7,500 ft office building this is coming with a request to approve with conditions as provided in your agenda packet all right is the applicant present anyone here to object Mr J I don't have objecting to the this one I did want to go on the record and state of comment though okay well uh let's pull it okay yeah I don't need a presentation on it when it's when it's pulled okay all right uh that's all of them right that is correct so do we have a motion to approve the ones that were left on move approval of pc7 yeah second have a motion and second further discussion all in favor signify by saying I I okay again Li Divine Planning Development and economic growth Department pc5 which is pde 25-cu 05 it's a conditional use Amendment request in the name of Spanish lakes land company LLC Spanish Lake CU it's a conditional use um Amendment requests to remove the height limitation from the previously approved um multif family dwelling units approved for C2 General commercial District the current zoning is C2 the future land use is Mu mix use again the applicant is requesting to remove um the height limitations that was previously approved in 2005 which restricted the height to 35 ft and it's approximately uh sorry 150 ft I meant 150 ft North of State Road 52 East of deer Brook Boulevard it's located in the South market area and urban service area the urban service area does not have height [Music] restrictions here's the area um zoomed out a little bit um to the Northwest is the um Spanish Lakes mpud which was approved for 295 single family attached and detached um dwelling units here's a zoomed in aerial view the surrounding future land use to the north is muu mix use to the east Is Res 3 and Comm commercial to the South and West is Mu mix use the surrounding zoning to the north is C2 General commercial District to the east is AC po1 and C2 to the South is C2 and to the West is C2 and mpud the subject property is currently vacant on approximately 18.65 Acres on February 8th of 2005 um the board of County Commissioners approved a conditional use for multif family dwelling units in C2 um with conditions that limited the height of all buildings to be 35 ft in height and access to the property is from Shady Hills Road and Deerbrook Boulevard deer Brook Boulevard is actually one of our vision roads on our table um the applicant has worked with um Planning Development and economic growth department and transportation engineering department as well as the county attorney's office to provide alternative routes for that Vision road so this is what the current existing conceptual for that road is um it cuts currently right through the property there are two um options um this would be option A which would come up and over along the property line and then this would be option b and this is coming with recommendation um for approval with conditions from Planning Development economic growth Department okay and the applicant present Mr chair I do have one question for Liam but Liam I don't know well maybe the applicant can answer it too I just want to make sure that the property owners that are affected by this new alignment received notice of this hearing and know that this as you know Barbara your your client expressed dismay that the alignment changed to land on the property where it is now I just want to make sure we don't have somebody else claiming that they didn't get notice that this alignment was we included it in our public hearing notice that about the alignment changing yes okay that's what I wanted to know and and that included all the proper that are affected by it yeah we went we put it in our notice that went 500 ft out so it pulled everybody in okay Barbera will height 8623 8623 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie um for the applicant this is a change to make this approval consistent with two board actions um subsequent to this approval the board um made a policy that in the urban service area they did not want any height limitation that was a few years back back and most recently last year um the board amended the um mixed use and a bunch of other land use categories to uh increase the F to allow for the fact that there is no height limitation in the urban service area so this consistent this request just makes those this action approval consistent with those two actions of the board of County Commissioners I would note that if you look at um I do have a a slide that kind of just gives a little bit of context as to what's around us I think it might be helpful to I know um Liam went through it but this slide puts pretty good context on it the first slide please you can just make that the whole screen okay thank you you can't see quite to the South there it's cut off a little bit there we go so this is is our surrounding zoning so to the north is C2 to our South is C2 to our East is C2 and what's important about saying that is not only is that C2 but that's C2 with no height limitation because there is no height limitation in the C2 zoning District within this area to our we have Shady Hills to our East and across from that is a a commercial land use designation with office and and C2 to our West you can see where both C2 and then there's Wetlands between us and the residential subdivision Deerbrook and the closest he is about 933 ft and I would say the other thing we can talk about traffic if I don't know what the concern is of of the um of Pastor Jen who has um signed up to speak but Steve Henry is here if it is traffic we'll come back and talk to you about traffic I would just tell you that between C2 and this conditional use it's 89% less traffic so thank you the other thing I would add to what Barbara just said is that part of the reason that there was initially a request that we eliminate this road um but I think our traffic engineering department was not comfortable with that because it is serving to relieve Shady Hills Road in the future so um that was why the applicant worked with Transportation county attorney's office and planning to Reign the road as opposed to eliminate the road because we are we are concerned about Shady Hill Road in the future yeah we did spend months thank you Barbara yes um I and I totally understand if you don't have that information just check because it's early but do you have any idea of how what at what height the your client wants to build at some point or they just want to with these types of matters I hate to say that because you know we we're being consistent in eliminating it so I don't know I I don't know okay but there's no change in the number of units correct the the number is the number approved by the um conditional use presently is 432 and we've C it at 360 so this is less units less units than what the conditional use allows bar brother multif family correct multif family is that what you said yeah that's already approved for multif family okay thank you okay thank you Bara thank you all right would you like to come forward please get your state your name and uh address please uh Jen Kwak uh 15925 green Glenn Lane Spring Hill Florida um I'm on this particular um item uh we uh myself and some other folks from Shady Hills civic association um did reach out to um Deerfield Lakes the the community like that is one of the neighboring communities we w't weren't able to reach anybody but the concern that I had is there wasn't anything um po there wasn't a posting like on the side like a sign that is normally there I look to see um we did Deerfield Lake said they had no idea we couldn't reach anybody with Quail Ridge obviously Our concern is always I mean the schools in the area um up Shady Hills Road depending I guess on where the children might or might not go um we know that the most the the public schools are and the school board could probably speak to that much more intelligently than I could the other concern also for myself is whether or not it were to be affordable housing that's something that could be discussed I'm sure off the Record but again the main concern is the posting wasn't there so there were you know I don't know if anybody else would have shown up to Advocate you know their concerns with regards to residential homes being in that area and a gated community across the way and having a height uncertain so that's my concern with this item thank you all right anybody have any questions for no uh Liam can you speak good to us about the posting you so the affit of posting and mailings is attached in your agenda packet there are photos that are included that show that the sign is posted on the property it's where deer Brook ends into the property um so the the property has been posted with a sign there's a photo up close that shows what it's written and it was advertised for this date as well as far away as where it was positioned on the site okay a quick question just about the sign I thought the board adopted new signs yes they did so that came into effect using the new signs for any new applications that um starting January 1st so starting January 1st any new applications that is submitted they will be using the new sign template um any applications that are currently going through the process to be consistent they'll be using the our original sign so there will be a couple months grace period of where you'll probably be seeing both signs um but hopefully by March for any items going around that date they majority all of them will be transitioned over to the new sign signage template okay great thanks Lam okay Barbara do you have any other comments I do not unless you have any questions for myself for my team we just get Mr tanel since it was raised could he address the school capacity issue yes I was just looking this up just as a background um whatever Barbara does these I get notified like this was back in August so we have you know constantly going back and forth as far as communication but the um a multif family with 360 units generate 42 elementary students 19 middle school and 25 High School seems a lot of people think that okay 360 units is going to be like 360 kids but it's not it's that's the how our generation Rate rates work and the way they do work is we we have all the information on where the students are and for a multif family unit we actually have all that data so the generation rates are based on real data that is out there in Pasco County so also this would affect Mary gella Elementary which currently has capacity Cruise Lake Middle which currently has capacity and Hudson High which also current currently has capacity so um there's no issues from our in okay far as capacity all right thank you Mr tanel you're welcome thank you all right can I hear motion motion to approve pc5 second any further discussion on the motion all in favor signify by saying I I like sign all right you see6 good afternoon Planning Commission members my name is Kurt cyberon of Planning Development and economic growth it's my distinct privilege to present to you for the first time we'll be easy on you that's good we don't bite that hard uh agenda item PD 27831 is sackson Hudson mpud locationally we're in Northwest Pasco County in commissioner Mariana's District overview here is a resoning petition from AR agricultural residential to perspective mpud master plan unit development the perspective development would be 63 single family homes all product types are 60 foot wide Lots with 120t depth on approximately 34.2 FL Acres with related infrastructure the northernmost boundary of this project AB buts Hudson Avenue the southernmost boundary AB Butz Firefox Drive the property retains its original AR zoning the immediate surrounding zoning types are AR AC Agricultural and mpud the current density of this property is one dwelling unit per acre allotting 34 units by gross saage granted approval of prospective saon Hudson mpud the property density would increase in nearly two units an acre or 0.54 the increase in density is appropriate for the growth this area without exhausting existing infrastructure our future land use of the subject property is residential 3 residential three dwelling units per acre the permissible maximum development by gross acreage would be 102 units this project seeks a maximum development of 63 nearly half the permissible by total gross acreage by our context map perspective saon Hudson is appropriate for the growth of Hudson considering their immediate neighbor approved muty pomn approved for 319 homes the grading of this neighborhood has begun the paved portion of County Collector roadway Colony Road ends at Firefox Drive with the development of sacken and expansion of Colony Road is to be constructed from Hudson Avenue to the project entrance Illustrated on the mutd master plan um seyon Hudson will convey 124 ft of RightWay consistent with BCC PD and E study of 52 in Colony from Hudson Avenue to the South Eastern project boundary the maximum development of 63 single family homes will retain one product type with the typical being Illustrated here with a 60 foot wide lot and 120 ft of depth next I'd like to show The Binding conceptual plan the development of phase one of Colony Road expansion is the development of a 62t wide two-lane road way from Hudson Avenue to the project entrance with a dedication of 124 ft for ultimate development of a four-lane roadway Additionally the applicant has conveyed to Pasco County from the project access to their Southeastern boundary the 124 ft for future development of Colony Road the storm water Pond located at the Hudson at the intersection of Hudson Avenue Colony Road is creditable the two Southern ponds were essential to the project therefore not creditable uh internal capture of the residence is a priority in lie of a western vehicular connection the applicant has committed to heightened um internal pedestrian capture although faint on The Binding concept plan there are Trail connections to the North and the southwest of the the project connecting to their sidewalks Landscaping requirements at perspective saon Huds Hudson MP here per condition of approval number 12 come directly from PM 26 being the two trees per single family home one of which required along the frontage next I'd like to show you the colony exhibit shaded from Hudson to project access is the 62 foot expansion of Colony Road Hudson to the South Eastern project boundry is the total conveyance of 124 ft of RightWay the creditable pond is also shaded at the intersection of Hudson and future Colony the typical of the 62t wide two-lane roadway is at the bottom of this exhibit two variations have been applied for in the design of cyon Hudson the first being 91.6 d11 Street design and dedication the applicant prioritizing pedestrian mobility and safety by the design in Le of a western vehicular connection they've heighten their internal capture and walkability as before mentioned by the trail connections and sidewalks the second was to reduce the rightaway width from Colony Road originally 160 ft wide to 124 ft consistent with BCC PD and study of State Road 52 in Colony file name PMA 02 042 this agreement was also confirmed by our County's transportation engineering department PD recommends approval with the provided conditions of approval for resoning petition pte 27831 thank you for your time and consideration I'm available should you have questions okay any questions anything okay you're off the hook for now excellent thank you so much good job on your first time Barbara will will height still at 6327 Gamble bouard for the applicant Mr sson very nicely done it's a pleasure to work with your staff um I do have a PowerPoint that we're handing out a short one um and that uh more great staff has put up uh for the for this presentation you have a motion to receive and file so moved second all in favor iOS okay thank you I don't want to be repetitive of of the PowerPoint cuz I was pretty um specific and exhaustive but this is the location of the project this is the um concept plan that you saw quite a bit of care of putting into this a lot of work with the teed Ted Department new name transportation engineering department um with regard to Colony and accommodating the County's four-lane Vision Road pretty significant Vision road going all the way from 52 to um Hudson and then beyond um our density is 60 three single family detached the larger Lots what What I Hear My Builder client say is the build the um step up at a 60ft lot the current comp plan allows 102 as the maximum density so about half this is a pretty good context of of what the board has approved um for Palm wind the Shaded in the orange are the 40ft lots shaded in the we can call that cream I guess those are the 50ft lots consistent with that we have we have do have single family detached but we have the larger lots of 60 ft by 120 which will complement their product mix and provide an additional product mix these are the um some of the renderings of the homes that my client drb off is going off offers in the area um and we likely offer here I think they're very nice yeah nice the the one thing I wanted to note and coming back to our concept plan we can't if if you can go down so we can see the so we do have a connection to Foxfire um and I imagine that may be some of the comment from our neighbors we'll see but I want to explain that um Foxfire is a standard Road meets the county standards and we have included the connection because it's a Land Development code requirement um the board of County Commissioners in 91.6 D um 11 have made um continuation of existing Street pattern a priority I can tell you in every one of my mudds it's a priority not only with the staff in implementing it but also when I get before the board um so that's why we have a connection to Foxfire because it's a stand standard Road and the code requires it um I do have my team and we'll see what uh the neighbors uh what kind of questions and comments they have and we'll be back to uh talk further all right so I ask question from Barbara yeah yes Barbara um this is the first time I've thank you for this overlay R show palnd and your project together because I had not seen this before is it looks like the Palin nped is showing some kind of interconnect um to your project at least if this graphic is accurate do it connect let me does it connect to to Future Colony Road let me see if yes stepen from look like it stubs out at your project boundary and I I mean if the intent is that that would connect the future Colony Road though I think that's a good thing but I it's very difficult for me to tell from this graphic if that's what's happening yes I know Stephen reviewed the their plans um so he can probably answer that okay Stephen SP aut planner with level up Consulting yeah that's correct the and your address is I'm sorry sorry your address um 505 East Jackson Street Tampa and you've been sworn yes yes sir thank you yeah just to confirm the there is a a interconnection with the the Palm one mutd to the Colony Road right of way not directly to to our to our site so you can sort of see on the on the very southern boundary of our site is where they propose an interconnection thank you yeah if the only request I would make is before this goes to the board or some you could modify your binding concept plan if this is your binding concept plan to show that connection on your on your plan if it's not there I can't I mean I don't know if this is I don't know if the one you hand it out is the mining concept plan or not is it they would need to give some kind of right away or something for that connection David is is that what you're getting at no it just that it it looks like it crosses I that's that's the part I'm a little unclear about is whether it needs some kind of it does look like there's a little sliver between their interconnect location and the colony right away but that may be a you know just a an error in drafting or the way this is depicted I don't know but if the intent is that it's going to connect to the Colony right away I think it should be shown on your binding concept plan okay so that the world knows that that's where that connection is occurring and to make sure that the connection can actually occur yes understood no problem all right okay is there someone who want to speak on this one I think you're [Music] it Jen Kwak 15925 green Glenn Lane Spring Hill Florida um the the concern that I have and and really it's with you know continued development in regards to this area and other areas as um we know um Florida statute the governor signed into law um at 125.0 2 public camping and public sleeping and as the person and individual that night by night as folks come in to the church and we're thankful to be able to do it we partnered with the county and we give thanks to them for that but it also brings kind of like to the Forefront and again the same with the last I've I've watched and uh many apartment com complexes many these are very nice homes I have I have I do not deny that they're beautiful um you know but the concern is is that we continue to develop and part of the development processes my understanding is is that the county has to also do their share and um with regards to all infrastructure and whether or not um this has been and it it appears to be a very um a a a big stress on the county I went to the budget meetings you know people are concerned about their taxes um and so as we continue to do these things um and there is no area at this point I'm I'm not hearing a lot about affordable housing the apartment complexes are like 1,800 bucks a month for a one bedroom apartment you know these homes I'm sure they're not going to be like within most likely hundred $200,000 I don't know that'd be great if they were but I'm sure and and I understand all that my concern again is and with regards to the connected cities moving for and as I've been before each and every one of you and the bard of County Commissioners asking for that building moratorium so that the county can catch up and you know again it is not to say that the County's not doing what they're supposed to do but the rate of growth that Pasco County has and they say we're the third largest or fastest growing in in the nation I mean there is a lot that goes with that with regards to roads Vision roads they say it's a vision Road uh they've called Shady Hills Road a vision Road and when I went to the local disadv manage Transportation board planning meeting uh They said that the one woman said Shady Hills has been uh a Visionary Road since I think she said 1992 when she first took her position there so again this is a you know concern of not just mine but many people in the county all right thank you any questions forward did you want to oh um we do have other individuals signed up to speak and we do have one individual online to speak for this item as well very good come forward take your name and address please good afternoon Clinton win 12709 win Lane in Hudson okay Mr W you've been sworn yes sir okay thank you again for serving thanks for spending your time here today just want to have a little dialogue with y'all um I'm the wind Ranch property that's now presently on the east side of palm wind and Meadow Oaks I have 36 Acres left of our original 150 acres since 1953 a lot of you guys know where I'm at so my main thing is I'm here to talk on the sacken property because I use so much of These Roads connecting I see the fatalities I see the handicapped people with no sidewalks I see no lights I see mothers taking their kids to the school buses stops with no lights it's pitch black um if you want to go on that map I enjoyed you getting into that with the map and the connecting roads Mr Goldstein when you brought up the maps can we bring up one of the maps on the Aerials maybe the one that shows the adjacent project so when we did the Palm wind discussion all this um Tropical Breeze was not supposed to cut through to Fair Winds Road that's off of Fair Winds I got a pin light here if I can learn how to use it I don't know where it went there it is is well it's not shown up on the TV anyways where the Palm wind sign is the MPD uh Tropical Breeze was supposed to be an emergency access only oh is that yours cool thank you was originally supposed to be an emergency go right oh it's backwards it's the operator operator error all right forget it I'm not I want to lose my 3 minutes anyways Tropical Breeze was not supposed to cut through to Fair Winds Road disappointedly Katherine starky came up here during the uh border count commissioner me and said we're going to put a gate there it held up the project for three months because they had to buy the property and I wasn't trying to delay the project I wasn't trying to be difficult but they made the developer buy that property and then connect at the Fair Winds Fair Winds Road cannot sustain this they've already got maxfly which is where the new Meadow Oaks ENT is going to be going out at Hudson Avenue near the church okay so you've got Hudson Avenue to maxfly maxfly to Fair Winds Fair wins to banion banion to Sugar Creek Boulevard to 52 we just had a fatality at Sugar Creek Boulevard in 52 okay I I'm sure there's been more then you got Fairwinds road going to colony colony to Foxfire not Firefox Peach Tree to Hudson Avenue now we know those s-curves guys on Peach Tree and Foxfire are brutal friend of mine flipped his car there years ago um the flooding is another issue that we need to look at cuz I don't know some of you old-timers remember the original Hudson Avenue was Hamilton Road which is now Suave which comes into the Angeles that's where Palm Road or Palm development exits on that s curb which is extremely dangerous they've already widened it and it's already just going to be a mess in the half in the um in the making couple more features the 20 50 and I go to all the 2050 meetings I've been on the CAC I've been on all these committees Colony Road is a vision Road there's no funding but that they keep stacking these new developments in there and they're choking us out they're causing flooding people's peace and quiet we're going to lose some of it right I don't want to be New York City I didn't live here in Pasco my whole time to be like New York City but there are some of these developments I got eight developments in our immediate area guys from Hudson Avenue to Hicks Road to Hayes eight developments that's over a thousand homes that are just right there with no infrastructure at all the other issue was meow Oaks was approved like 15 years ago and then when it was approved it was idled because the economy well they just went ahead and put their plans in and started developing the 265 homes and then you had you know Taylor Morrison go you have this one and all these other things now I'll finish up here your time time is up so you need to wrap it up okay yeah the there's a there's a a rumor that the Girl Scout camp is pending sale that could hold 200 homes and in closing our crystal ball that we all look at is the flooding that happened in Trinity this last time so thank you for your time and um how we can be of service and work with you we'd love it thank you thank you thank you for coming is there someone else we have um Marcia sign so Miss Harris all right Miss Harris if you give us your name and address please and tell me if you've been sworn I have been sworn and I'm Von Denisha Harris my address is 11702 Foxfire Drive okay thank you and our concern is like we spoke about the traffic and I moved here from Tampa to get away from traffic and it's everything is is growing at a rapid rate we already have one subdivision being built down the street and my thing is when you come out on colony to 52 if you if you're going west you got to go all the way over to the third lane to make a U-turn it's not like the traffic light is there so with the traffic building we already have an issue when you get there waiting to go out to make this U-Turn when you come home same thing you got to make a U-turn to come back down to Colony and then on pach tree pach tree goes out to Hudson Avenue same thing no traffic light you're just sitting there waiting for the traffic to clear for you to make the right or the left and the it's already increasing with the amount of time it take us to get out of our homes and get where we're going and when they put all these homes in our traffic is going to be I don't see how we're going to be able to even leave home and get back home and then we have kids that walk to the bus stops and things and there's no lighting there so it's a lot of issues for this small area to take on all this extra these extra subdivisions and then I'm definitely concerned about the the flooding once they add in these subdivisions and they could tell you during the last two storms we did not flood we did not and if they start putting these subdivisions in where where's the water going mhm to our properties so I would just like for all that to be considered and if you look at the map and see how tight the road and things are when they add all these people where where are we going how are we going to get out how are we going to enjoy our piece of um Paradise where do you live there I live 1702 Fox I mean on the map what's on the map I'm not far from where where the that entrance would be and then they're saying that has one way in and one way out so all the traffic would come out on to fox fire and Colony I don't that is I don't see how that's going to work out can I ask you question yes so when you go down colony and you have to make that U-turn at 52 where are you going where am I going usually to work okay where do you go get groceries this everything is like in that same area where we have to do everything there's there's no place for you to go on Hudson Avenue right to go get groceries no jobs no anything like that right no it's all down you got to get down to 5 you you got you got because it's not and that's another thing in Pasco it's like all these people are moving here but it's not a lot of good jobs there so people are traveling to work so you have all this traveling all where people have to travel an hour two hours to get to a decent job then travel bike so that's even more congestion in traffic when you get down to col when you get to Colony in 52 yes you can't make a left turn there right if you want to go to the Sun Coast Park way you can't make a you can't no no you you got to go out and make a U-turn right can't go to the wind Dixie that's now going to be in Aldi cuz you got to go down the road and make a U-turn you got to make you got to make a U-turn right and I see the difference even now you I'm not trying to get you in trouble by saying this do you cut through the Dunkin Donuts and the Family Dollar over to the Shadow Ridge entrance to but you you to get to the median opening that's too but I mean but even if you do that you still got to sit there and wait until it's clear absolutely you do you so it's like either way because if you use a GPS it try to send you through the neighborhood and I don't always want to be driving through somebody's neighborhood just to get to a road cuz that increases their traffic also MH and so it's like yeah the way you said it's even worse than trying to do the U-turn so it's like it' make sense if there was a a full intersection there at Colony Road and not eventually it's going to have to be because it's getting and you know even when you're coming home it's almost impossible you're holding up traffic so long waiting to do that U-turn because the traffic on 52 has increased at such a volume so that's um that's that's my main that's main thing like I said I lived by Bush Gardens for 20 years and I left there for that reason it's like okay I don't want to leave there and come here and end up in the same situation so thank you for your time and I hope you consider everything that that we said Thank you thank you thanks good afternoon good afternoon I think there was supposed to be a Tammy that was going to make a phone call in Tammy is virtually online we're going to go through everybody else in the room first and then go to Tammy okay I just wanted to double check sorry my name is Marcia casmer I live on a um 11908 fox fire Drive mhm I live directly across from what is being planned directly my driveway to their driveway and you've been sworn yes sir and I'm very concerned this is going to impact my agricultural my My property's AG I've been there for over a quarter of a century I picked that property because I didn't want to live in a subdivision I didn't want a post postage stamp neighbors right next to me I want it acreage how many acres do you have there there are five acres I have horses I have dairy goats that are show goats the horses are retired show horses one is 30 this year one is um upper 20s I'm happy I mean this is where I put my roots we have show goats we have show sheep they're all Dairy We've ran 4 off of my property FFA that's I've just donated uh a small lamancha registered goats to them MH it it's agricultural this is going to affect us are these neighbors going to their entrance is going to be right like I said dead across the street I come in with a 20ft livestock trailer or my uh 20 foot aluminum horse trailer be fun for me to get in and out even the fact of my animals making noises who's going to call and make complaints oh my God you got goats over there doing The Dirties H it's agricultural that's going to be residential I have children that walk down the road to the bus stop have you there no lights they leave at 6:35 in the morning do I stand out there most of the time [Music] mhm I've had my property um on the right side of it right uh not quite in the middle it would be the east side of my driveway I'm going to say 10 years ago not paying attention the car came plowing through I had a six-month old Philly and her mom out in that front Paddock luckily I was home because they flipped crazy all of a sudden crash boom bang and you know my horses are going nuts cuz there's a car in the front yard I had to grab both and move to a back Paddock now my my how am I going to protect my animals okay do you um see accidents at fox fire and Colony yes sir do people guaranteed one to two people do people repeatedly run off the road trying to make the 90° turn from Foxfire to Colony yes sir okay same thing at Peach and Foxfire that's why they have fixed the Girl Scout camp if you drive down there they've got all new Bob wire fencing up again yes and you've seen people go off the corner at fox fire and Peach Tree over their embankment into the girl yeah okay yeah and this is really going to affect because your promised Colony Road that's not in the plans for 20 years when is and when you go grocery shopping which way do you go I go both ways it depends on the time of day where do you normally head to I either head down to down Hudson Avenue to little road Republic and Aldi's but like I said it depends on the time of day because to get out from Peach Tree on the Hudson Avenue you sit there and you just wait and wait because there's so many cars coming in either direction and the same thing going out off of 52 and yes I do cut through a Shadow Ridge sometimes right but there's been a lot of accidents there so I don't usually do that I usually will do the U-turn if I'm going to go up like when I take my daughter to school at classical Preparatory so there's a lot of accidents at Shadow Ridge in 52 too yes sir cuz people can't make a left turn from Colony Road on to 5 no because you can't tell if they're going to make from Colony Lakes if they're making a U-turn they're making a u-turn at Shadow Ridge so which who's turning it it's dodged the truck dodg the car I won't even come in that way my husband laughs at me all the time you got like an old lady cuz I'll make a turn where there's a car car lot there I don't remember the name of the road and I'll come in the back way to Colony Road so I don't have to deal at Shadow Ridge and making a U-turn if I'm coming from the 19 Direction understood okay thank you anybody else thank you thanks M I believe we have one sorry Mr chair we have one more signed up for the room okay and then one online good afternoon thank you guys uh appreciate all your time uh my name is Rivas Johns I'm at 11934 Foxfire Drive um this has been a long time dealing with this and and I'll tell you you know some of the things they're not showing on that map is uh if you you bring that map up just a little bit more there's another 186 houses in a subdivision going right at Fair Winds so that is all cleared out um about four months ago when they were still doing the land work they hit a spring and flooded out everybody on the other side of them all right now with that being said um I'm up on the corner right caddy cornered from where they're trying to come out for Foxfire Drive now it's called Shady Oak Shady Oaks ranches it is a small neighborhood but um the reason most people purchased there is because it was Shady Oaks ranches it was small it's zoned Agriculture and you must have one acre or more to build so when they talk about it's mandatory that they have another exit to come out of fox fire Drive the problem I have with it is if you're going to make an exit to go out Colony Road to Hudson Avenue that means that the exit or whenever they get ready to connect Colony Road the Builder doesn't have to pay for that the taxpayers do all right and that's an issue so they're going to go and buy this property out so that it cost them less money to inconvenience us and to change our way of life that's not right and at the end of the day with all this building going around we've already experiencing the flooding and the extra water and stuff stuff in the ditches and around our property it's not settling in now there's at least four of us on the corner and around the corner that are having troubles with our septic tank because the water is not draining the way it should because of all the developments now I don't know about you but I know a new septic tank if you don't put a lift station in is over 10 grand you know why should I have to pay for that why they sit around to get rich off of building all these communities and inconvenience at everybody else that means I'm going to end up having a and get flood insurance eventually so with all this being said I don't understand why they can't connect from Colony Road and connect it back to Colony Road and that gives them their entrance therefore we don't have all this traffic shooting out on Foxfire let them pay for something for once you know what I mean but I thank you guys all for your time I know my time's up I don't want to steer in another Direction but there is so much going on here and so much wrong with this that it really needs a second and a third look at and I believe that extension that they're buying these people's houses were was something added and something new but thank you very much I appreciate everybody's time thank you okay can let me ask you a quick question where did you where is your house um right there where is it right on the corner and they had to move the telephone poles because there was so many accidents they moved them down my side of my house I'm surprised you're having trouble with your septic tank that's pretty high ground there well it is but them me the people next to me because all these subdivisions and what they've done with the dirt if they've raised it 3 to 8 feet above the roadway so therefore you know your original plans that you show if you bring them up you'll see all the way that it you know that it will actually flow MH but when you build all this and you move all that turn it changes the flow for the people that are not moved that's the reason when you guys do your flood planes it changes about every 3 to 5 years why because the people that have been there for 15 or 20 years don't move everybody else does so therefore it causes flooding Inland or in the areas that don't you know that are still lower because you're building all these buildings up so that's part of the problem because now the water is sitting there when you have a rainstorm it doesn't want to seep into the ground anymore and I believe that's what the problem is okay so I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off Mr no no that's all right fine anybody else thank you okay thank you Mr chair yes we do have one individual signed up online Tammy young if we can unmute her and promote her for Access so she can speak Miss Young are you here available yes sir can you hear me yes uh could you give us your name and address and then we'll swear you in Tammy young 11727 Foxfire Drive Hudson Florida okay and if you raise your right hand we'll trust you to do that and uh repeat after the uh clerk please do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God I do all right that was easy go right ahead I do I do appreciate your time um for letting me speak um so I I'm coming to you today um some of my neighbors and myself are opposed to the planning Housing Development that we believe will cause um more traffic and safety problems um possibly destroy local wildlife in this area area and potentially lower our property values um so concerning the traffic and safety uh just to add on to Miss Harris um as we do go out the that way down colony to 52 uh I do work in Newport Richie so I have to make a U-turn there and I usually typically go down Moon Lake Road um to to my job now there's a stop sign there and there's three Lanes of oncoming traffic that have 55 mph speed limits um typically um it's it people travel higher speed limits down there as I see um so that is a concern of mine as well um trying to make that U-turn it would be awesome if uh you could possibly put a light there or maybe a four-way stop um to help with um some of the difficulties is to coming out on to 54 uh 52 I would also like to speak about the wildlife uh as I bought I bought my place five years ago here um as a single mom uh I was looking for some acreage do have a one acre lot um I could have bought in a brand new uh Housing Development uh but that's not what I wanted for my life um or my kids um so I have property here and just this morning I'm go ahead te peacocks in my front yard um I see owls um I also have uh woodpeckers um so I I I would like to request um that maybe an investigator be appointed uh by appropriate agency to investigate uh the area for endangered for this how this development starts um building uh also I'd like to talk about the property values um uh I was disappointed um to to see that this entrance is going to be within walking distance of of my um uh driveway um I'm also concerned about the flooding in the area as well um I mean I do have a manufactured home on my property that sits up sits up P never had to worry about flooding um but I am concerned with uh the building of this development having to build up the land back there um so that this development is is right behind my home um so I'm concerned about that as well I do ask uh you to take um into consideration these things um that I spoke about and my neighbors as well um thank you so much for giving me this time okay hold on just a minute in case we have any questions please yes sir any questions from up here no okay thank you very much for coming on and we'll take your concerns into account and we'll uh also we're going to bring the uh applicant back up to respond to some of your concerns okay yes sir thank you very much good afternoon again Barbara will height for the applicant one thing I I want to make clear is that our entrance is off of Hudson Avenue we are constructing that portion of our entrance actually we're constructing to the Colony Boulevard Vision Road standards but our entrance is off of of colony and we're constructing that entrance off of colony we are interconnecting to Foxfire because the code requires us to continue street patterns under 901 section 901 of the code with regard to Wildlife we had to do a wildlife um assessment at the time of zoning staff is going out and very carefully um I know there's a staff person now that's been hired on County staff um that's going out and checking checking as well and then when we come to do a preliminary development plan and develop we have to redo that study because it's only good for 18 months if there's any gopher tortoises there's a whole process because they are protected for go for tortoises so there's a lot that goes on with regard to Wildlife there's a lot that goes on on with regard to storm water as well as our many Engineers here on the um on the the board know lowering property values the these homes will be expensive homes um the other thing I would point out is that you when you can see the development pattern that's that is coming along you can see Palm winds actually has smaller Lots this this is the Res three land use designation and as Mr wi said he did participate in the cap the the comp plan um for these areas as did I as did I that would been in 2005 2006 probably on the last time we had a a CAC for a comp plan update obviously there's now the 2015 update going this area was is designated res 3 this prop this this is not rural it wasn't designated agricultural so when you see that in the comprehensive plan you see an area designated res 3 going to see this type of development actually and we are at the lower end of the development um with what we're proposing because we're proposing the Lots we are going to be on we will not be on septic we will be on Water and Sewer uh there's water and sewer the infrastructure is already there in place for us to have water and sewer to this project again that's an investment in infrastructure that's been made um so we will be using that investment we will be continuing the investment by extending and paying to have water and sewer in our project I was going to ask about that Barbara so where is the current water and sewer infrastructure going to have to look at one of my technical team members Stephen spado with level up thank you yeah there we the project will utilize Public Water and Sewer I think sewer will be extended from the south along from Fair Winds up to the site and then then there's water um on uh Hudson okay yeah I knew they would need it for the palmwoods development Palm winds development as well so Barbara can you explain the continuation of the street pattern I'm trying to understand how making the connection to Foxfire continues a street pattern what pattern are we continuing you're taking Foxfire that is a street and you're and you're connecting to it with our streets and that's a continuation to what for what purpose what I'm looking at this map and I'm seeing okay if the grand plan is to widen Colony Road and make it a four-lane road that goes between 52 and Hudson Avenue what am I gaining by having that little entrance on Foxfire when Colony Road will be kind of the main road I'm not understanding the purpose well I didn't write the regulation we we get to to um comply with it it's it's LDC 9016 d11 so that wouldn't be fire access only that's no it's continue the it is required to have a full connection when you have an existing street that that's a standard Road the board's regulation the board adopted says that you have to connect your streets to that existing Street and that is what we are doing we get the comment all the time we get asked by it by the the staff gets asked they can speak for themselves they get asked about it all the time to by the board to enforce this section of the code I I understand that and I understand it's in the code but I I can think of examples throughout the county and I'm thinking about even somebody who buys in this neighborhood so I live out here I go up colony to Hudson AV and I make the hard left 90 dangerous 90 Dee turn on Foxfire and peach tree and I'm not sure how that's standard but nonetheless and when I'm going there it's usually because I'm headed out towards Hayes Road or trying to get over to Shady Hills Road so why would I drive all the way down Foxfire make a hard right turn on Peach Tree to make a hard right turn on Hudson Avenue to go back towards Shady Hill I could just cut right through this neighborhood I think those people in that neighborhood would like me cutting through making a shortcut out of their residential street and I can see where we've done this in the county all over the place I'm not saying it's your developer's fault or your fault think about Fox Hollow Drive or Jasmine Boulevard where these were nice residential residences that faced Jasmine or that fronted on Fox Hollow Drive and now they're cut through streets from US 19 to Little Road in both cases and the people's lives the people's homes who front those now cut through streets are not well maintained nobody there with nobody wants to live there that has children because they're going to get hit by a car you've got you've created de facto Highway through people's front yards that were quiet little neighborhoods so I understand the code may require it I question some of the wisdom of it I understand why one might want to create a grid network of streets but I don't think we should do that at the expense of people's peaceful enjoyment of their property I'm mean when I see this I'm concerned for the peaceful enjoyment of the people who might buy on that street that connects to Foxfire cuz I know I'm going to use it as a shortcut cuz it's going to be a while before colony is connected there's there's a section between Foxfire and the end of your property that's all one and two acre Parcels back there that unfort you know nobody's going to come in and develop a one acre mpud down there so that means the County's going to have to condemn those properties ultimately to make that connection I'm actually even questioning I know it has nothing to do with your case what the heck is the point of making Colony Road a four-lane road way from nowhere to nowhere and you can't make a left or a right turn you can't make a left turn when you get to 52 I'm trying to figure out what is the purpose of this somebody saw a black line on the map and said hey let's put a four lane road here for what purpose for to make sense they'd have to make a cut of 52 and probably put a light in there I agree and now there's a there's a Family Dollar on the corner of 52 and a the new Dunkin Donuts that's about to open on the corner of 52 and you know how I make a left turn on 52 I cut right through those parking lots and I I see lots of people doing it every day so now we've made a highway out of a parking lot over to the entrance of Shadow Ridge my personal preference when I look at this thing is would the developer would would you as the applicant assuming the board didn't enforce their continuation policy would it be a problem just to make this an emergency access only does that create a problem for the developer to do that we have designed it to meet the code if the Planning Commission wants to make whatever recommendation to the board but you put us in a position where we have the board telling us this is their regulation and they want it enforced by their staff and the developers well no one say anybody did anything wrong yes but what I'm saying is that you want to make a recommendation to the board about that but I'm not going to I'm going to move forward with the project and our request which is to comply with what the code says it's Tim up to the board it's their regulation so you because then if I say it's emergency only and then the board and then we have the Fairwind situation where where then somebody agreed emergency access and then the commission said no we want it to be access so it needs to be decided by the commission I mean and not putting myself in The Middle's concern because she doesn't want to be in the same box as that Clark hobby was with pal cuz the Palm one MPD came in requesting that their connection to Fairwinds be emergency and the board basically overturned it and said no it's going to be full access and in that case they had to go out and buy property to make it a full access that's not the case here I mean at least they don't have to go buy property and by the way I think Fair Winds is not a standard Road no it's not at least Foxfire is a standard Road I mean I'll beg to differ about that but that I'm going by what the agenda memo says and maybe Steve Henry can get up and confirm whether it is or it is not a substandard roow but the agenda member says that it's it was I I saw the emails with staff and and Steve that it's a standard Road my my only point is is that if the board required a full Connection in palmwood to a substandard road that was originally supposed to be emergency I seems unlik I understand Barber's dilemma she doesn't want to be stuck in the same boat as BMWi and bwind got continued multiple times because of this issue so I'm not sure it's fair to the applicant because don't with all due respect I you have a difference of opinion but I hate to see the applicant be penalized because you have a difference of opinion than the board well how well first off we there's been no motion on the table okay and what I asked is does it hurt her developer does it hurt this development the marketability of the development the value of the development the ability to develop the property if the access is an emergency access that's the question I asked and ultimately that's going to become moot once colon is connected because then that's where the traffic is going to go then it won't matter that connection really won't matter but that Pro That Couldn't might not be for 15 years that's true that's true but you know and the thing is is that whatever we decide the people that are already there now are going to have to live with it and so we just need to think that through because and that's what I try to do is look if I if I live there how would I feel about it you know yeah I mean if you don't I mean if the planet convention doesn't think this density is appropriate for the Ser that's a different question but I mean in terms of the I'm only concerned about the access to fox fire that's really the only thing that concerns me I think they've provided for water retention and that they've done the wildlife study and they've done all the things they need to do and they're and they're complying with the county regulation on the access to Fox firey I'm just I guess if we you can make whatever recommendation you want on that issue but I have some concerns with you forcing the developer to request a deviation from the code that they never asked for but we haven't asked that yet and she didn't answer the question yet okay go ahead Barb you can answer the question the question is is there any If This Were to be an emergency access only does this make this property less developable less valuable is there some reason other than because the code requires it that that would be objectionable to the developer my answer is that the reason why the connection is there is to comply with the code so that's my answer okay so it's so it's not to benefit the developer it's because she's compliant with the code well I will tell you that in the case of palm wind and I realized it was a different situation if Clark harby were here he probably would say that it did adversely affect his development to have to change course Midstream on this issue right but in that case you're saying he had to go buy property or he had to go in this case we haven't asked yet I just asked the applicant if that was was going to in some way detract from the development but the only difference is if it were a regular connection or an emergency only connection would be a gate or a sign I mean isn't that it mean there probably is a different I don't know if they could design it the way they they'd have to have some kind of tea type turnaround at a minimum there they they'd have to redesign the way that I don't think they'd have to redo their binding concept plan I don't think they could they'd have to have a wait for people to turn around there I would I don't know if they would lose a lot or not I mean Barbara you mean yeah I don't know I'd have to get with my team but we heard about peach tree and Hudson wouldn't I have wouldn't my traps trips if they don't go on Fox fire wouldn't they go to that intersection I'm sorry I'm not understanding so right now we have the interconnectivity so it gives you multiple ways to go which is why that is written by the by the way this is why that code section my understanding of why it's been written it's been around a long time but if we don't have an connectivity to Foxfire then our our way to get to Colony is via peach tree so again that's why the board does this the board has this policy because they want traffic to have different ways to go and that's fine I think the board Bard if you're listening that's great and it works great Jamie in your neighborhood in River Crossing Boulevard where homes do not front on River Crossing Boulevard that continues the existing Street pattern it gets you out to starky it gets you out to dubis but it doesn't destroy the peaceful enjoyment of somebody's property what I'm saying and I understand this has nothing to do with you or your development is that particular policy when we take it down to the residential street level destroys people's quality of life go look at Fox Hollow Drive that's that's the one of and Jasmine Boulevard that is one of the poster Childs for making a residential street a cut through Street oh it destroys the property values it destroys the Aesthetics it it's not a place where families want to live and I question that policy I'm not criticizing this development or you or your developer for following what the code is I'm saying to the staff and to the board if we're applying that policy to the point where it's a detriment to the value and the peaceful enjoyment of people's property then we need to relook at the the that policy and I've said that here before the other thing I've said in here before when we were talking about Palm winds and I think it's Brighton park or whatever the name of the DR Horton development is down there at Fair Winds and Colony that the developer managed to flood everybody out while he was digging his Retention Ponds there for a few weeks you're putting all this traffic on Colony Road has anybody been down to the do and said how are we going to undo this mistake we made 30 years 40 years ago when because we didn't like a nudus colony on Colony Road that we cut the access off to Colony Road to give an exclusive access to Shadow Ridge well now we're getting all this development on Colony Road and we got a whole we're planning on making it a four-lane roadway down between Hudson Avenue and 52 and there's no way to make a left turn everybody's forced to make a uturn and I'm going to and I realize you don't you guys don't control what the do does for decisions I live right around the corner and I use Lakewood to get out to 52 and you just cut off our access there too so that we can have an exclusive left turn into a three-story climate control building that literally has zero traffic and now nobody in our neighborhood can make a left turn out of any of the connecting streets in our neighborhood we can't make a left turn to go get groceries we have to cut through the parking lot of a Dunkin Donuts and a Family Dollar so we can get over to Shadow Ridge and try to make a left turn out there and to the ladies point if you've ever SE I'll in fact tonight I'll take a video of that and send you as you see 20 cars piled up in that median opening and there are non-stop accidents there that needs to get fixed I'm not against development of this area and I understand it's res 3 and eventually there probably will be more development but somebody needs to be looking at from a long range Transportation Planning what you're going to do these houses are imminent somebody needs to fix that intersection at colon and 52 I don't know whether that's the county or the dot or you need to work together but some Transportation Planning needs to happen here or this is going to be a major traffic disaster so I don't do we have transportation somebody from transportation engineering that's available that can at least discuss what if the V once the VIS Vision road is built what the county would do and or dut would do with that intersection Mr is here in the audence yeah something earlier he's hiding back there you probably need and if put on the spot will there's some way that we can pull up a graphic that shows um that intersection so that will has it when we have it when we're talking uh good afternoon will P Transportation engineer department so I do my best to address your question there um obviously we would work with the do I mean we're we're we recognize those concerns that was mentioned before and what you had mentioned too John uh but obviously you know and looking at this you know we we would definitely you know coordinate with the do and figure out uh what can we do I mean there even been some discussions about it even with the current conditions so we can look into it I think since now is kind of more you know relevant to try to address it but if there's not so is there's no imminent plan to fix this no not right now currently no not based on so then would it be a good idea to increase the density and all of the traffic at that intersection with no plan in the works to fix the operational problem of that intersection well obviously I mean as as you see these developments are coming in so we kind of obviously have to work with the the development services and planning Services Transportation Planning Group and figure out and work together to address those concerns I understand well I will say though that and again I'm trying to I think Planning Commission needs to be fair to this applicant I mean it seems to me that that Palm winds m is putting far more traffic on Colony Road than right than this project is I said this when Palm winds came in this isn't the first time I said this so so I'm saying I mean just relative just relative magnitude I mean the number of lots that this mut is approving compared to Palm winds and putting on Conor Road just seems minor that being said um I mean to your point Mr Moody we do have the power of eminent domains so if we needed to acquire property to fix that intersection when we connect Colony Road that we have the power to do that be a traffic light and a way to make a left turn what that's my point is that it's I I don't I can't tell where the traffic lights are on 52 currently but there's none there none there I mean so I don't know that there's a spacing reason why you couldn't have a traffic light Paradise Point Point yeah par next point in the One Direction and Moon Lake the other way but there's a full meeting opening at Shadow just to the east of this correct right right here right d do closes full meeting openings all the time M right and it's become it's become horrible for those people there they can't make a left turn to go anywhere and now people people are using parking lots we cut through parking lots to get over to a place where you can get to a median opening I guess my only point is that and Mr poon didn't come out and say it but that issue could be fixed is I mean there's no there's no reason it couldn't be fixed well I don't I'm not saying I think it can be fixed and it ought to be fixed and it's probably unfair to ask Mr Pon the question maybe it's the staff the question why should we approve and developments and increase of density if we don't have a plan to fix a traffic problem and I'm not saying I won't approve this but I'm asking that question and it's not the first time I've asked the question it's a problem and go look at the number of lots and then I'll ask you this other thing look at how many single family residences front on Colony Road we're going to turn this into a four-lane roadway from nowhere to Nowhere what are we going to do about those residences how'd you like to live on a piece of property and we just decided to build a four-lane road from nowhere to no from nowhere to Nowhere for the purpose of what I nobody can answer that question I'm trying to figure out what's the purpose of it and I'm not saying we shouldn't do it but I don't understand the purpose what are you going to what are we going to do for all those people there just think about that we did that with little road how' you like to own a residence that used to be on Plaza Drive and Posh Golden Acres and now you've got a six lane roadway as your front yard we probably need more interconnects between Hudson and 52 than what we have and that seems like a natural area to do it there's no good answer to it that's the problem I mean I don't have a good answer your question but this this happens all over the there's there's houses the front State 54 that what happens over time is those get all right but State Road 54 goes from somewhere to somewhere I'm trying to figure out what's the staff would say this road goes from Hudson to 52 for what to provide north south interconnectivity between the two roads to accommodate the growth that's occurring in this area the reason the reason these roads are on our vision map is because we've projected that at the densities that our future land use allows in this area you need more roads to accommodate it that's right and we and they need to be functional when you get to the end of the road you get to the state highway system you need to be able to make that was my point is that I think that solution I don't disagree with you that that's not that existing situation is not good but it can be fixed yeah the these kinds of problems happen all over the place like Bel Road Clear Water there that was a residential Road you know and you just can't foresee sometimes in the future but obviously you know Colony Road in my mind would be a natural connection going north because it's always I agree uh but you got to do it you got to put it in and you got to put the light there to to Really accomplish anything and that's what I'm the problem that I would have if I live there is we got a future we got a vis there but what's the vision when is it going to be done so I think Mr pitos wants to say something he's had his hand up for a while oh I'm sorry it's all right nario pitos Planning Development economic growth I just wanted to mention that uh collector roads uh yes they can take people from point A to point B but the the main idea of a collector road is in the name it collects uh development basically and directs them either to additional collector roads or to the AR materials that's what's happening in the case of Colony Road here where point a is actually in the midst of Hudson and State Road 52 it's all the neighborhoods that are linking to Colony and those people then are able to get out to The Collector Road on Hudson or the col or the arterial road down on State Road 52 um that's the main function of the of the collector itself It's Not Unusual that homes open onto collector roads across the country even here in Florida in Pasco County um the the thing that I would add is that you know if congestion is a concern one legitimate solution to congestion is actually creating more connections and creating a wider network if this development were to connect Foxfire to uh Hudson Avenue uh that would only add to the network of roads that are doing exactly the same thing which is Foxfire to Peach Tree colony to the Fair Winds even Fairwinds to I think I think it's um Metal Gulf Avenue to wind Lane I'm looking at it from a very high level here anyway the point is that there's a number of connections that are going to lead up to Hudson Avenue so keep that in mind in terms of what a collector can do and how congestion can be mitigated um I'm sure that today we do not build collector roads that that have residen is fronting onto them with driveways Etc um but in the 1980s it certainly was the case when these neighborhoods were developed that Colony Road was forming up to collect all of the neighborhoods including those residents that were fronting onto it well I've been here and I can tell you where Colony Road is and why it's named Colony Road because it goes to a dudas colony that's why it's there that's what its purpose was wasn't built as a collector Road it was built as a road to get to the nudist colony which I understand may be for sale now but anyway I'm trying what I'm trying to point out is if we're going to develop this area and I'm not again I'm not necessarily opposed to development in this area I recognize it's future land uses res 3 what I'm trying to say is somebody needs to go solve a transportation problem before we have Transportation problem that takes looking at it thanks well get it done will can you go back to your Department and ask them to look at the intersection of Colony Road in 52 please yeah we'll we'll we'll do that um we'll kind of contact up theot also and kind of talk about it and so thank you thank you so Barbara one minor point we talked about it earlier but this connection to Palm winds um I did look at your MPD plan and it does show the connection but it looks like it goes through at least on the MPD plan looks like it goes through land that you own and there's no RightWay dedication requirement for that interconnect so I think there needs to be if it's if it's not going to connect directly to the Colony Road rideway there needs to be a rideway dedication condition for that missing pie of I agree of roadway I agree and I'll work on that condition with you and staff we we certainly don't we're here standing here we're going to do connectivity because the code requires it but then we're going to have a strip here that doesn't allow theity have neighorhood to the east that actually contemplated this connection correct correct so we need to make sure it actually occurs could could you put that back up the the map of um the two okay yeah I see what you're saying and we have the arrow on our mut plan but there could be a little bit of a gap there so we need to make provision for that to make sure that we give the right of way so there's not a gap yeah it looks like the cars through the little corner there okay good good eye certainly wasn't intentional I don't do things like that so we'll get it fixed okay any more questions for Barbara good catch David okay so I think that was it for from the public right any uh motion I just wanted to Echo what John's point about that Colony R 52 the people get off the highway there in the sunos they're going about 60 mil per hour on there and um I drive that every day there's also a curve there so you can't really see where the cars are coming until they're right on you so it's it's very d dous and I just want to Echo you know have the county look at that and if you could expedite that in any way look at signalizing it does anybody know how much of the pal MPD is already built there are houses going vertical in there I don't know whether all the streets are in but I know up close to Hudson Avenue you can see the new homes and there's they're still dirt being moved but I know they got models and that kind of stuff saying that given the board's decision to connect that project to Fairwinds it just seems like that's an issue that should be looked at unrelated to this MPD I mean because look at the number of units that in Palin that are approved will make that connection to Fairwind that's got to be 300 units there I I don't know how manyan palman was approved for but it's a lot more than this MP it was like 390 or something like but there's another one David there at the corner of Fair Winds and 319 319 there's there's another one if you go further south at Fair Winds and Colony on the Southeast Corner yeah that's that subdivision is now complete and ready to go vertical so that's a lot of I think that was 180 was that 180 I believe so yeah yeah I that's a lot of new develop my only point is you you made a point at the last meeting about not punishing the current applicant for sins of the past and to me the sins of the past here were that we approved the Palin nped and then the project you just talked about without addressing the colony 52 intersection this this seems like it's the just the the last one in that is actually putting a very small number of units to a problem that was already was going to vote against it I'm just saying I also said at the at the previous meeting because I ask a question don't presume that I'm I understand that definitely a problem that needs to be dealt with and sooner better better than later just another good opportunity to bring it up so all all that said I agree that Barber's applicant shouldn't be penalized for this so I'll make the motion to approve uh pc6 with David's suggested addition on the interconnected home the interconnect correct okay we have second we have a second further discussion on the motion if not all in favor signify by saying I I I oos like sign motion carries all right we got one more you see8 mhm yeah excuse me I just want some clarification um for apc8 did you want a presentation no presentation okay just if you could pull up the mapper for this one that'd be that'd be helpful because we're going to talk about similar things to what we were just talking about for this last one so yeah if we could pull up the mapper for it that' be having too much fun huh it's not over fix the traffic problem before we have the problem yeah if we get back up a little bit a little bit further and pull it down from the north there you go okay so I'm not opposed to this project I assume this is going to be a daycare center which is needed in this area my concern is you can see actually if you could click off the parcel so we can see the road alignment of Aaron so click up on the X there on the X therea click that search result so you can see that curve from the north there I live in a Wilderness Lake Preserve which is just the north of here I drive this road pretty much daily um you know to Parkway and Beyond and it's very much a racetrack uh this parcel here is is pretty well landlocked I actually drove past today to to see if there's any potential for cross easement to pristine um Lake which goes directly across to Parkway I think will eventually be signalized which would be an ideal out for this but there's not because there's storm water Pond there so as we look at access management for this one this parcel's landlocked there's no opportunity for them to go south no opportunity for them to go any any Direction they could there is cross Seas me to the north but there's no plans uh that to be developed so truly the only Ingress and egress is directly to Aon cut off the geometry of that road it's it is a absolute racetrack people come flying around and I've been known to do it myself unfortunately but people come flying around that corner there and you're going to put them on top of that Ingress and egress so I assume there's going to be diesel Lane into that or the diesel Lane that's existing into prine's going to be extended further up but I just wanted to go on the record to share my concerns about the traffic and the the uh airon cut off there that's that's my only comment I might be able to help because commissioner weitman has raised a similar concern and we've had residents raise concerns about aing cut off um the county does have a talk about Vision roadways this is more than just a vision roadway but and maybe we could zoom out I don't if we have the highway Vision map but the County's long-term plan is actually to extend col your Parkway straight up straight up to 52 so that we don't have all this traffic using a and cut off um and I know that commissioner waitman it's a high priority for him he's got concerns because eventually Ridge Road is going to connect to Conor Boulevard and con con Boulevard is going to connect to cut off which will probably put even more traffic on a and cut off and so he has asked our transportation engineering department to look into what needs to happen to get the CER Parkway extension built from its existing Terminus up to 52 we have a lot of the rideway already um from Connerton and so I think it's a lot of it just a matter of getting it designed constructed um but he has asked our transportation engineering department to look into that extension so that we don't have so much traffic using Aon cut off that's the long-term plan I do predict that road will get built before colony um just because of the regional traffic that it's likely to carry especially once conon Boulevard once Ridge Road and cont Boulevard connect to it yep so um I I if we had a map that shows the highway Vision map I could show it to you better but that that is the County's long-term plan I I know what you're talking about David I've looked at that map pretty extensively but it's again that this area is kind of south of that area and it's just I'm pointing it out again I'm not not opposed to the projects I just wanted to go on the record to point that out it is a very dangerous uh it's going to be a dangerous intersection there with with traffic coming around that corner similar what John was saying for the for the other project I mean it's it's a blind Corner coming south there and people are at speed at great speed coming around that corner so I just want to go on the record to express that concern and by the way I think the approval is actually for an office or daycare not necessarily daycare I assume it's going to be daycare but that's what I well I guess we could let the applicant speak to that but it's for one of the boat it's regardless of what the use is going to be it's the the same concern would would be there because traffic is going to be on top of that Ingress egress before people know it it's it's it's it's very short distance there coming around that corner and that parcel is unfortunately landlock and there's no direction if even if there's ultimate development to the north there and there's a cross axis there I don't think it really helps that that issue at all makes it worse barar would you like to speak as to the applicant again I'm I'm not objecting to the project Barbara will height 6327 Grand Boulevard we have not done the access management analysis yet I appreciate you pointing that out um and it'll be officer daycare most likely daycare okay which will be Community serving so okay thank you thank you thank anyone here to speak against it or reject or have questions see no one okay any further discussion on this one not all in favor uh let's make a motion motion to approve second all in favor signify by saying I I I those like sign carries excuse me Mr chair I know that was your last item but I'm being told I have to read a correction for pc7 which was your consent item our one consent item our our one consent item um I believe the the subject line that I read into record needed to be corrected um changing Stephanie v Benson William D Brown ETL It should read and I'm just going to read it all over like I normally would um pc7 pde 25- 0082 development agreement in the name of Hamilton Oaks MPD master plan unit development vment um amh Development LLC proposed is a development agreement for Hamilton Oaks mpud it should be reading amh Development LLC do you does somebody want a motion we approve it with a new name I don't I I don't know if you need to do a new motion I just want to make sure it's on record if you feel like there needs to be a new motion I would defer change it's not substantive to the I mean you already proved the item I think it's fine no change to me of the item hopefully we wouldn't Prejudice a case by who the applicant was the only thing I would ask is when it gets put on the board agenda if you could just make sure it's got the correct name I will make sure staff does that okay okay now William you're not going to use the correct name you're shaking your head no I was saying absolutely I will oh okay no mean yes okay that's all I had for you I guess we've done it then I hear motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second all in favor hey [Music] Pasco County waterways and Wildlife depend on you to keep them healthy excess fertilizer grass clippings trash oils and pet waste wash into gutters and storm drains when