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our 10:00 meeting on March 11th at 2025 at this time silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones please rise for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance oh merciful creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of
every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and Grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen amen Al to the flag the United States of
America and to the stands Nation God indivisible withy and justice for all okay Mr clerk could you please call the rooll district one commissioner Oley here District Two commissioner Wan pres
District Four commissioner jger here District Five commissioner Mariana here District three chairman star here okay now is the time for public comment citizens are given an opportunity to comment wait uh on any current or future
agenda item coming before the board and on other business under the B board's purview today's public comment will be handled as follows first we will take public comment from those who are here in person then we will take public comment from those who have pre-registered for a WebEx link and are
currently on Q we request that when you address the board comments are not directed personally against the commissioner or a team member but rather directed at the issues this provides mutual respect between board members and the public after stating your name and
address for the clerk a 3-minute timer will be activated after 2 minutes a single beep will beep will indicate you have 1 minute left and when your time is up two beeps will sound and you should close your comments WebEx participants will be disconnected automatically when
their time is up do we have any people signed up for public comment this morning yes we do we have two uh but first Mr Galvin Scott Galvin you're signed up for a item P36 which is actually this afternoon do you
wish to speak at this time yes come forward please they'll they'll set it just give your name address for the record my name is Scott galin I currently live at 16512 Laur Le Drive um in West Pasco I'm here
to ask today on the Adu laws considering by the commission um item uh 2f uh Adu must be built on a permanent fixed Foundation Ford Putters stem walls Ford peers or engineered slabs um we
currently live in a area that's uh zoned for mobile homes and what I'm asking for is clarification on whether mobile homes in where they're already Allowed by zoning to be included in the adus um as this language shows that you know if
you know mobile homes are not on a permanent fixed Foundation they are placed on blocks anchored down as required by code on there so I would ask that this be included in the code for to use yes that's a public hearing item
this afternoon yes he knew that okay and you can I mean it's legislative so you can take the comment now and incorporate it into your record if you wish we can have someone meet you outside out the doors this morning but we don't engage in a conversation and
dialogue at this point thank you um Can someone uh here he comes okay who do we who else Charlotte Paxton PT hi um my name is Charlotte Pon solo I'm a homeowner at 11744 Orangewood
Drive Dade City Florida 33525 and Pasco County which is a little outside the DAT City Limits and um ever since um I bought my home in April of 2024 um there has been nothing but a
bombarding of traffic on orangew Wood Drive and I also came to clarify the record of Orange Wood Drive because the county um appraisal's office and Public's Works have told me that the
West portion of my property is private and I have been being harassed by code enforcement and law enforcement stating that it is County property when the records don't reflect and also there is a business zoned in a residential
neighborhood and the business has exceeded the capacity for that road the road is completely tore up and um there's been several accidents it's very dangerous and I'm bringing this to the attention of the County Commissioners
because I fear that someone's going to be killed because of all of the traffic and all of the congestion and nothing's being done about it I have emailed um Ron Oakley I have emailed um the director of Code Enforcement I have emailed um several uh police officials
and even filed an internal affairs complaint because I have I have made numerous documentation of the dangers and and photographic evidence and police reports of the dangers of the traffic on that small Road there's a lot of elderly
people who live there which is why I moved there because I wanted to live in a quiet um condensed neighborhood and because that business has exceeded the capacity for a residential Zone I was requesting that it would be rezoned but I was told that I was not allowed to
request that and would like further um um opportunity to request to have that um business rezoned out of the residential area because of the dangers to um the community um yeah you still have a minute but Mr
carbal is there someone here who could I I would say probably David Allen okay David but David did you meet with the other gentleman no they had some someone else went outside Terry went oh Terry went out okay Terry okay if you could meet with our assistant County Administrator David Allen over here and
our new code enforcement officer Denise head of Code Enforcement more than code enforcement okay is there anyone online that was we have no one online and that is all we have signed up in advance is there anyone else that wishes to speak under public
comment appearing to be none okay we'll close public comment and we'll move on to the consent agenda um I have three items uh one that was withdrawn by Mike carbal C11 and uh um then we
have or resolutions we can fly through consent sorry I moved on to consent so we'll do resolutions after you can does it matter it's your choice okay well since I started I'm going to keep going um we have c22 which is pull and discuss
from commissioner waitman and c31 Pull and discuss are there any other items which to be pulled for the consent agenda move approval of the other consent item second all in favor hi hi hi commissioner waitman thank you yes I just wanted to pull c22 to recognize the
efforts that this countyy is making with improving sidewalks and so I was just want to highlight that to to everybody that hey we're moving we're taking the the sidewalk operation seriously in this County to get kids and families to and from schools and where they need to go
safely um I'm excited to see the Florida legislature taking up legislation on sidewalks due to the busing issues not just here but from around the state and appreciate those Hillsboro County members who are running those bills and so um with that I move approval second
all in favor I um and c31 c31 I just wanted to thank all anyway see him out there now but just want to thank 4G for their continued efforts in Pasco County there's Mr GI and you know recognize that hey they're they're willing to to
give up 18 1,000 over 1,82 acres to apply that to our El lamp program to save environmentally sensitive lands in this County so thank you all for willing to to do that and take a haircut on on your property and help us preserve
Wildlife cor doors and green spaces in this County so just incredibly grateful and with that I'm moveing appr second little discussion y uh and I tell you that is a very key piece for the El quar so we appreciate it yes and in in that
area the state uh dot is building an underpass for the trail to go from one side of 52 to the other so um having this land near there um is wonderful and we hope to get that up to uh Cypress uh
crossbar and albar so it's going to be a wonderful part of the county and and thank you very much so uh all in favor I opposed okay we're done with the sent um we will move on to resolutions res one
resolution number 25146 a resolution by the border of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida honoring Ronnie de for his service to the citizens of Pasco County and congratulating him on his retirement whereas after graduating high
school Ronnie D's enlisted in the United States Army and then went on to get his bachelor's degree in accounting from the University of Alabama and then his certified public accountant license and whereas Ronnie was hired on September 1 1988 as the Chief Financial Officer for
the with Luchi River Electric Cooperative and whereas Ronnie oversaw the $6 million budget each year and the Redevelopment of the Luchi area for the with Luchi River Electric Cooperative and whereas Ronnie was very involved
with the boys and girls club in Luchi Lake Javita and one Pasco Center and was involved with the Walmart distribution Center coming to Hernando County and whereas Ronnie's role at w included locating substation sites negotiating
contracts for pole attachments and towers and other important transactions dealing with business partners and whereas over the last 36 years Ronnie was on several boards including the Pasco County Fair Pasco Hernando State
College Advent Health date City and the Chamber of Commerce and whereas Ronnie retired from the wuchi River Electric Cooperative on January 17th 2025 after over 36 years of loyal and dedicated service and whereas Ronnie will be
spending his retirement watching his grandson play baseball taking his family fishing working on his ranch with his quarter horses and Angus Cattle spending time with his wife and family and is thinking about teaching ACC County at Pascal Hernando State College now
therefore be res by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby honors Ronnie de for his dedication and service to the citizens of Pasco County and congratulates him on his retirement done and resoled in regular session with the
quum president voting this 11th day of March 2025 move approval second all in favor I I Comm Mr Oak Mr de I never s thought I'd see you retire but
still a young man well thank you commissioner I've tried to help them my community like you all have um it's something we strive to do I've had a lot of co-workers
friends and citizens of this County that I have depended upon that I could always go and ask for help money whatever was needed to better our
community and they haven't buried me yet so I plan on continuing those projects in fact I've started a new one in the last few days so don't be surprised if I knock on your door but I'd like to see that our senior
citizens that are improvised get an opportunity to go out to a few restaurants occasionally and uh that is a goal of mine and that's the new project we're taking up and thank you very much for
y'all recognizing the work I've done I uh I want to thank you I I certainly appreciate the relationship we've had over the years and doesn't seem like that's coming in and I guess it's not so but I always knew you had a good message
coming to me when you came to visit and I knew there was a gentleman behind you that actually um helped you develop those relationships and things things that we need to do for the citizens of Pasco County big part of boys and girls club working at to get that building
built many years ago and um just the different projects that we work together we um started with uh rebuild and Luchi and W and Mr Brown were all really pushing to have that that done and a lot
of things have moved up there to the point that we've got three new businesses up there now and uh one I'm probably hadn't finished their construction but they're going to be very successful and they're bringing good jobs to that area uh soon to follow
will be some homes and and Workforce housing that'll help people that work there have a place to live so it's just a part of that that big picture but Pasco uh one Pasco Center has has done
great and continues to look good and um just anything and everything you've touched has been pretty good we've always agreed to disagree but we always came out with a good result so I certainly appreciate your friendship
thank you Ronnie and thank you for bringing Billy Brown's name up because he has been a he has taught me a lot and he always put the citizens of this County First and let us know everybody over there that worked for him the
citizens and our members came first yeah that's true anyone else Mr wait thank you thank you chair a piggyback on commissioner Oakley the highlights in this resolution don't begin to describe your mark on not
just East Pasco Community but throughout your entire service territory that the co-op covers from here North and it's safe to say without you knowing there are probably many gener ations of kids and families and the kids
of those families that you have helped whether it's in your professional career with aoi or in your outside Endeavors and helping to to better troubled situations for people and it's an honor to have gotten to know you over the
years and spend his time with you and um you know just congratulations on your retirement I'm glad you're not going anywhere and uh the County's always looking for for good Finance folks folks aren't we Mike um so you know retirement looks good on you roll Tide and uh don't
be a stranger thank you Seth any other comments real quick okay Maran yeah Ronnie it's uh it's been an amazing time to work with you through with Luchi the the character of the company has been phenomenal and and I'm glad you
mentioned talking about Billy Brown his commitment to this community LED this company in a great way but it took a guy behind the scenes making all the numbers work and and going through everything that you've done politically whenever we've had an issue to come talk about you've been able to talk to us show us
why it was good for the company why it's good for the citizens then every time you've been just dead on the mark and uh I I really appreciate the time we spent together um doing the lunches and that one time shooting was pretty cool too but uh you're just a just a great man uh
definitely dedicated the community I greatly appreciate the service you've done you've made this a much better place so thank you and I hope that you enjoy your retirement doing all the things that I'm sure you're going to keep busy so I wish you all the best thank you Jack and um I just want to say
that my goodness um with Luchi certainly hires people with great character and um the tradition continues and we keep seeing wonderful guys retire getting there myself here one of these days so um it's been a pleasure working with you and I'm sure we're going to work with
you more in the future um enjoy your fishing and your your grandsons baseball yeah so um it's it's a just an honor to uh be able to say give you this award I guess this Proclamation right Mr you got
wait our clerk wants to say something well I personally have had the opportunity to work with Ronnie a lot over the years but on behalf of Nikki who was in Tallahassee this morning uh she wanted to convey to you uh and Mr
Brown obviously thank you for your support of her and uh the Endeavors that they worked on together so on behalf of Nikki thank you also and myself thank you thanks to each of you Commissioners and thank you for the service you
provide this County thank you ran you have family with you have them all come up and we'll take a victory you to join me a round of applause yeah
[Applause] is it [Applause] okay res two resolution number 2548 a resolution
by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida honoring Chief James E Walters for his service to the citizens of Pasco County and Dade City and congratulating him on his retirement whereas James E Walters grew up in
inberest Florida and attended pasal Hernando Community College Go's Corner campus where he received his law enforcement certification in 1995 and whereas prior to graduating from St Leo College in 1994 with a bachelor's degree in criminology James E
Walters worked as a wrestling coach and an assistant football coach at Pasco High School and was on the coaching staff when Pasco High School won the state championship in 1992 and whereas in 1995 James E Walters
joined the date City Police Department as a patrolman and moved up in rank over the years including detective Sergeant captain and police chief where he was committed to the of protecting the life property and individual rights while maintaining peace and Order and
instilling the core values of respect Integrity professionalism and service and whereas from 1999 to 2018 James E Walters taught at PHCC now phsc as an instructor in the Law Enforcement
Academy teaching well over a thousand recruits many of whom now work for the Pasco County Sheriff's Office and whereas in 2006 then Sergeant James C Walters earned his master's degree from St Leo University in criminal justice
Administration and continued to work at the University as an adjunct faculty in the criminal justice program and whereas since 2018 Chief James Z Walters has made it a priority to host an annual
back to school Shop with a cop programed to instill in confidence in local students and Ensure they have the essentials to be successful in school and whereas in 2019 Chief James Z walers was awarded the president's award
through the greater Dade City Chamber of Commerce and was elected president of the Tampa Bay Area Chief of Police Association in 2022 and whereas Chief Jamesy walers took great pride in his commitment in
implementing a true community policing model within Dade City where he promoted his philosophy of stop walk and talk to assist in fostering a change uh fostering a culture of trust within the community of Dade City and whereas Chief
James Z walers consistently provided exceptional customer service and professional law enforcement Services as evidenced by the support he has received from the community he served while fostering strong relationships with Pasco County Pasco County Sheriff's
Office Pasco County School District Pasco County emergency management and Pasco County Fire Rescue and whereas Chief James Z Walters retired on February 28th 20125 after serving D City with dedication and distinction for a
30-year career in law the law enforcement profession now therefore be it resolved by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida the said board hereby expresses its gratitude and appreciation for chief Jamesy Walters and his contributions to
the date City Police Department dep the community of Dade City and Pasco County and extends his best wishes to Chief James E Walters for a long healthy and happy retirement done and resulted in regular session with a qu president voting this 11th day of March
2025 move approval second all in favor I and this one is Seth is it Seth yes uh again I had two I just had two great guys come forward so but uh Chief wers
thank you for being here today and we I'm honored to be your friend and I'm honored to uh have been with you and seen you in service and you did a great job for date City and just on and on the things that you did to make Dade City
citizens very safe and did a great job of bringing everybody together here in Dade City along with d City and the county to do the right thing for the citizens of D City and Pasco County so thank you thank you Ron yeah you want to say some more you got plenty to say I'm
sure oh yes we can hear from you thank you madam chair and members of the County Commission I'm I'm honored to be here today and I'm grateful uh for the recognition um I've enjoyed as stated in the resolution great Partnerships with all of your
departments in in Pasco County from Emergency Management fire rescue uh Public Works helping out during natural disasters uh it it's we're nothing without the Partnerships that we have we can't accomplish anything by ourselves
as you well know and so I'm grateful for that I'm grateful for the the partnership that we had uh and hopefully continue to have with pasal Sheriff's Office and U just keeping all of our citizens and visitors to this community
safe thank you thank you very much commissioner waiton thank you well Chief good to see you retirement looks good on you no thank again you know being a a municipal police chief is more than just being a chief you become
part-time city manager part-time sanitation worker social worker you name the hats that you've probably worn in your career over the decades um you know it doesn't go unnoticed and with your uh children's programs and making
police human towards youngsters and taking away the potential you know not intimidating Factor but making making your local law enforcement approachable to the youth is something that goes a long way in building Rapport
between the public and a police department and you've done a wonderful job with that and I think and I hope that Legacy will continue and um you know just the legacy of public service within your household within the education world thank you both um the
told hours you put in into investing in our kids and our community uh Public Services it's a special job and thank you both for for making a a lifetime of of that work so congratulations to you both and um it's good to see you thank
you very much thank you okay well congratulations oh does someone else want to say okay well first of all happy retirement thank you congratulations um I never knew about Shop with a cop that sounds really really cool um I'd love to go to that
event and um just also thank you to your family for you know supporting him because being a daughter of a police officer it's not easy um being a family member so thank you for everything you've done for our community and thank you to your family thank you
Lis yes course Chief I want to tell you you've had a stellar career um the way you've lived your life in this community has been phenomenal uh I grew up in a small little town we had a police chief and in a really close association with it and he was so tied in the community
just like you with sports um and I think when you tie in sports just the other activities it makes the kids feel safe the families feel safe it brings the community together and then when you leadership to goes to even a state championship even better but I think the pride that you brought to this community
and the way you've cared yourself couldn't couldn't be any better couldn't be prouder and I wish you all the best in retirement thank you so much thank you and and I would Echo everything my uh Commissioners have said and I'm sure we're going to see you around the Community stealth so congratulations on
your retirement thank you madam chair and this is kind of unique normally I sit here and say nothing but to have two back to back um Jim I mean it was my pleasure to be your city manager at a
point in time in the past um and having worked with you on many things from come quat to you name it and uh being involved with the uh with the the various organizations that you have
assisted us when we were doing our projects so um personally congratulations and the very very best and from Nikki uh who as I mentioned she's in Tallahasse today wanted me to be sure to convey to you
appreciation for working with the clerk's office and and uh in the many ways that we interact and uh from her too all the best please extend my appreciation to her as well thank you and thank you [Applause]
Harold in addition my family and others uh some friends in the audience would would you all come forward for the picture also I don't know we'll break a protocol here but Genie s whoever else Kelly s who
yeah we'll have to do it too late if you could someone else yeah we're going to have to have some folks in the front if you could come well then we [Music]
need fine there you go congratulations [Applause] almost sat in your
seat all right Res three resolution number 25 45 a resolution by the boorder of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida observing Tuesday March 18th 2025 as National Transit Employee Appreciation
Day in Pasco County whereas March 18th was selected as National Transit Employee Appreciation Day in commemoration of the very first bus line launched in Paris in 1662 called caress Al Soul really and
whereas the the American public transportation Association and his Partners celebrate Transit Employee Appreciation Day on March 18th 2025 and whereas Transit bus operators mechanics supervisors maintenance staff
station agents and customer service Representatives keep our communities moving no matter the circumstances and should be recognized for outstanding contributions in planning building maintaining and delivering safe reliable and courteous transportation services
and whereas the bus operators and support staff of the Pasco County public transportation are the backbone of go Pasco in providing Equitable public transportation in Pasco County and whereas go Pasco employees navigate
public transportation smoothly safely and effectively and whereas go Pasco bus operators who work beyond the Call of Duty especially during Pasco County Emergency Operations deserve to be recognized for their extraordinary
efforts and whereas Transit agencies around the country are taking the shared opportunity to honor their Workforce on National Transit uh Employee Appreciation Day showing their gratitude to the industry's dedicated employees through kind words gestures of
appreciation and by actively promoting the use of public transportation now therefore be it resolved by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County of Florida that the said board hereby observ observes Tuesday March 18th 2025 as National Transit Employee Appreciation
Day in Pasco County and expresses its sincere gratitude for the professionalism and dedication of Transit employees the board encourages all citizens to thank their bus operators and engage on social media using the hashtag ashrit Employee
Appreciation Day Den resolved in regular session with the quum president boting this 11th day of March March 2025 who approval second all in favor I I um I want to welcome you here but I
think there are more so if you would all trans fol come up that would be awesome and stand there behind the podium so good morning Commissioners PA to support services here with Anette oring our operations manager representing our assistant County Administrator uh Kathy Pearson who could not be with us today
proudly standing here with the go Pasco team supporting our bus operators who are the backbone of the services that they provide to the community and so with that I'll leave it to Anette to share a few words about the team thank you great I want to sincerely thank you Commissioners for recognizing Transit
day and acknowledging all um the vital role public transportation has in our community and I want to thank um all of the people behind me from bus operators supervisors superintendents safety um who make all this happen every day thank
you that's awesome and and how many people do you you have in your department do you know off hand um we have 180 180 nice 120 120 yeah 120 wonderful um well I'll let my other commissioner speak and then I'll speak
so anyone else want to say anything about I certainly appreciate the work y'all do it's not an easy job and I know that y'all do a very good job servicing our citizens all over the county so I certainly appreciate that commissioner jger yes I just want to say thank you um
you guys were amazing especially during the storm I would call last minute and say hey I've got a bunch of people and you guys would go pick them up or and you even were willing to stay late like truly your dedication to your job just comes through and I appreciate that so
much for everything you guys do in our community so thank you okay Mr marianao and I greatly appreciate the service you provide to our people some people really depend on you guys to be able to be there get them to where they got to go so it's very important and I'm just disappointed only got a day she get a whole
week Mr waitman thank you yes moving people is not easy let alone driving keeping your head on a swivel keeping yourself safe keeping your Riders ship safe you know there a lot going on a lot to think about when you're doing your job for your safety and the safety of
our ridership and it's a big job that you do and uh thank you all for for choosing to to work in this department and providing the service uh to folks pass County you know um I grew up part of my life in Cal Northern California
and fifth sixth and seventh grade I lived in the Hills above Oakland it's called Mont Clair pedmont this area and we looked out over the Bay and San Francisco where I was I was born in Redwood City and uh I literally took the
bus with a girlfriend I must have been 11 then to San Francisco to get my ears pierced wow your parents know oh yeah I mean they weren't with me uh but one of my friends had gotten her ears pierced at this jewelry shop
and so that's where I went and um I also used to take the bus with my friends downtown o to Downtown Oakland to the library to work on class projects I mean I also took the bus just with my brother and sister from Phoenix Arizona to
Southern California and my dad would just say to the bus driver keep an eye on them yeah I mean yeah crazy stuff that no one would do for their parents today but uh kids today no parents um but here I am I I survived it all so I I
have yes go ahead whenever you're done well I'm just saying I I um use the bus a lot in my youth and and as uh now Vice chair of the TMA um it is our responsibility in the Tampa Bay area to find a Transit solution for our crowded
roads and if you think they're crowded now just wait wait so it's very very important that we figure out this this solution and we move people more efficiently than the way we're doing these days so Mr carala thank you ma'am yeah I would just like to just to add on
to that Mobility is Central to our economy I mean if we cannot move people goods and services things just don't happen so I'm always in awe at how you guys pull it off in terms of of scheduling and getting to places on time and getting getting folks moved around
it's it's absolutely amazing work so just thank you like Jack I think you should get a whole week today and uh but but thank you thank you for the hard work that you do and and you know and the things that you have to put up with I know there's there's certain things that that come with the job but you guys uh handle it
like yman and and and get it done so thank you for that yes I I don't think I've ever had a complaint from the any any issue with the bus our go Pasco so um thank you so much there's so many of you I think I will come down myself and board members you stand behind and we'll
get there I have three Center as much as we could County attorney the safety part this is for our Outreach I bring it and they're going to say thank you to our you have
toide that work hold on one more do with the frame time that's thinking do with the frame you want this no you really want to stand in front of this
bus now you're good [Applause] what are we on four resolution we resolution number 25 147 resolution
by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida declaring March 17th to the 21st 2025 as Government Finance professionals weak in Pasco County whereas founded in 1937 the Florida government Finance Officers
Association serves more than 3,300 professionals from state county and city government school districts colleges universities Special Districts and private firms and whereas government Finance professionals play a critical role in ensuring the effective and
transparent management of public funds supporting physical health and sustainability of Florida State and local governments and whereas the Florida government Finance Officers Association is dedicated to being a professional resource by providing opportunities through education
networking leadership and information and whereas government Finance professionals week sponsored by the fgfoa and all of its member government organizations is a week long long series of activities aimed at recognizing government Finance professionals and the
vital Services they provide to our state local government and the community in which they serve and whereas government Finance professionals serve the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners promoting Prosperity by ensuring sound physcal management fruitful Investments
and uh diligent accounting among many many other services and whereas during this week government Finance professionals throughout the State of Florida will be acknowledged for their hard work dedication and Leadership now therefore be resolved by the board of
County commissioners of excuse me Pasco County Florida as said board hereby declares March 17th to the 21st 2025 as Government Finance professionals weak in Pasco County and encourages citizens to extend their appreciation to all
government Finance professionals throughout Florida and Pasco County that in result in regular session with the quum president voting this 11th day of March 2025 move Ru second I'll favor I oppose
okay welcome big group I counted 20 wow um commissioner joerger okay well I just want to thank you guys for your hard work and your dedication and also just for your service to our County I I know it's not an easy job and you do it
ethically and transparent and we really appreciate everything you do and I wouldn't want your job for anything same same no one would give me that job who's here from the county raise your hand okay and uh School District does anyone here from the school district and then
from the clerk's office okay any cities so it's it's County and clerk okay well well welcome you want to say a few words so to my knowledge Amy feral budget director with Pasco County so to my knowledge this is the first time that Pasco County has participated in
recognizing and celebrating Finance professionals week and because by and large I don't know if you saw how hard it was to try to get my friends to come up here with me but they love to be kind of in the background just that quiet steady hum that you don't notice when
it's there but in their absence you would feel it um and they they appreciate that type of work right number crunching behind the scenes and not necessarily all of the public recognition so I won't belabor the points but I'm honored and humbled to get to call these people my colleagues
my partners my collaborators and most importantly my friends a very nice good morning Heather Grimes chief administrative officer for the clerk's office um thank you commissioner Jer for sponsoring this uh Amy said a lot of what I was going to say because I do
believe it it's the first time we've ever had such a resolution um and this group of people um behind me and I've had the opportunity to work with both when I worked at the board I worked with a lot of these individuals and now at the clerk's office um they in my mind
are the unsung heroes um one of the most important things in my opinion that uh this board does is make sure that you're good stewards of the taxpayers money and this group helps you do it um they care they work collaboratively between our
two groups which wasn't always the case if you've been here a long time um but they work very collaboratively um to get things done and to do the right thing and so I just appreciate this board's recognition of this uh quiet group they're not like
fire and Sheriff that enjoy being in the Limelight like Amy said they like to hide out so um this thank you thank you SE thank CH oh and then open sorry we keep the order I can't all right first um thank you for being here
today and thank you for Amy and clerk's office all all of you being here together this time time a year actually uh you come to the Forefront you come out of the back rooms and make sure everything happens right for our citizens and the programs we have to
service our citizens so very important to all of us and thank you each for what you do okay yeah commissioner wait thank CH it's fitting that um you guys get your your week during spring break take advantage take advantage of
it um I'm just kidding I I for one um no secret how I am about managing the taxpayer dollar and managing this budget and I don't take for granted and I share this with with Amy and Mike as we go through this
process uh how appreciative I am of your work and how critical it is you know to help manage this County our number one job as a County Commission is to is to vote on a budget and we could not do that without your help help without your
dedication without managing five quirky personalities at time on what's important and what might not be important during the budget process or you know last minute votes two budget Cycles ago and we're doing cocktail napkin math you know thank you all
hopefully you find that as exciting as I do um I one very much appreciate your line of work and um you know thank you for dedicating and and being being being a steward and a watchdog of of our money and uh keeping the electeds in this
process honest and transparent so congratulations and thank you both sides of Clerk and our team for for coming over this morning and um I would just Echo everything my uh fellow Commissioners have said um and I wouldn't want your job for anything no no no commissioner
Jager there's so many why don't you go down and we'll stand one oh sure oh uh I want to thank thank you all for the work you do uh clerk's office for you guys to make sure our paperwork's lined up so everything's done the right way is is critical um and for our om
team the budget work that you guys do um it's fluid and it's it's kind of like it almost finishes one year and we start the next year um we talked about doing things by annually but I don't think we'll ever get there just because things change all the time so it's hard to do that but I I want to I want to say just
coming back from DC watching the attitude change and looking for efficiencies up there I want to empower you guys when you see some things that could be done more efficiently maybe it's not done quite the right way whatever please speak up bring it all the way up the chain and let's make sure we're doing the best we can every step
of the way and I I just I want to thank all you for the great work you do appreciate it I know you have something to say I do here because everyone is social distancing from the podium it looks like so what you do is foundational right I
mean without without you Amy I think you described it perfectly it's that quiet p in the background that we take for granted and should take for granted but it's it's foundational to how we invest how we're transparent and accountable to the taxpayers and how we invest their hard-earned money into the services that
they've asked asked us to provide them so I can't thank you enough for that I'm married to a government Finance professional so I understand uh what what you guys do what you go through uh and sometimes even we at the administrative level can be a little perky with some of the some of the Hoops
we make through just well what if we did this way what if we did that way but you always do it you do it well and you do it precisely and that's that's what's great you can always just count on what it is that you guys do so I just thank you for your professionalism your attention to detail and just your dedication uh to to the job that you've
been called to do so um and one more from the clerk well just to add on what Mike was saying working together um as we announced to the board here about a month ago um at that once again again
for the 40 41st 41st year Pasco County has been awarded the Excellence in financial uh accounting which it takes both sides to make that award happen so um we can be proud of a long history
that they are under tremendous pressure to not lose oh that would that would be a not a good dat I'm just saying when nck I've already heard you know but no it it it takes both sides to make it work and uh
and as Heather said I've been around watching a long time and I cannot remember when the relationship and communication is ever been better than it is today wonderful all right let's take a photo yeah yes state
[Music] as much as possible might have to have like a couple of you come in front [Music] [Laughter] [Applause] okay I think we are now on to our RS and
so we will start with R32 R32 is Mr M2 okay so r33 I didn't see him here so the G budget director um she just
left B in the week all right so Amy Ferell budget director with Pasco County Office of Management and budget so today's presentation is both a followup and then a completion of um the January 28th board meeting where
we started talking budget and strategic Direction um the board had asked us to come back and also do a deeper dive into Municipal Services taxing units talking about kind of how they work pros and cons um and
then some topics that we ran out of time covering in the January meeting we we have a handout board memb somewhere yeah yep so you should have the presentation in front of you have this um I have two maybe I kept some on oh no
this is from last last week is it the same as last meeting okay I have extra one uh is there one for commissioner Mariano have this got all right so the agenda today is laser focused on Municipal Services
taxing units and our long-term capital planning all right so just some general information around what I will continue to refer to as mstu rather than saying the full four wordss um so the intent is to fund Municipal like services and or
essential facilities it does require an ordinance to be established and trim notices and tax bills updated by July 1st so we can stay compliant with our trim process if if we have a current ordinance that we'd like to revise the target date to do that would be by May
so we can make sure that we can include it in this year's trim process um it does take five votes to establish a millage rate and typically um four votes to maintain and if the cities were to be included and to contribute they must
adopt an ordinance to do so by that same um July 1st deadline you have any questions about kind what I call the the rules of the road so to speak when you say um I have a question yes when you say to
maintain is is there a vote on an mstu every year so for the mill yep and so it's five to create it four to move it up or down it's typically four just to maintain what that to maintain status
quo and it has to do a lot with um the different criteria in how you calculate rolled back rate from the prior year and then what level of votes is required to generate a certain amount of Revenue so it follows similar rules to your general Village in terms of roll
back R right any other questions before we move on all right and we can always come back all right so um pros and cons to be honest I think pros and cons might be a little bit too strong of words because because there might be some perspective
that would say something in the con column should be moved to the pros column because it really is about perspective um but we did just try to divvy them out in a way that maybe make some kind of sense so when you have an mstu there is non-competitive funding
meaning whoever is in receiving that tax revenue you're only competing amongst others who might be in that tax revenue so for instance our fire mstu our fire is the only one in there so all of that tax revenue does go to fire so it's less
competitive in that sense um there's a lot of transparency on the trim notice because there is a very specific this millage that will equate to this much tax provides this level of service so that is kind of a one for one which we don't necessarily
have in our general fund because there's a lot of services being provided with that one taxing source to increase the tax that particular business unit would make the case for that increase not necessarily the board and ensuring that you're not
paying for duplicative services so we'll use law enforcement as an example if that were in an mstu it would be carved out cities only the cities that aren't providing that service or opt into that service would be contributing rather than potentially a
global contribution in the general fund millage where there might also be some county or city services that are the same or similar all right so we'll move on to the con side so cities do not inherently contribute meaning they would have to
opt in the what was that that last bullet on this Slide the cities would have to adopt an ordinance to opt in for that Municipal service taxing
unit um if they don't adopt an ordinance it could lead to increased cost for cities um administrative work there is additional administrative work when you have an mstu on the board side for our property appraiser our tax collector
whenever there's an additional Levy there's just going to be administrative work associated with it and the board does pay the cost of those trim notices so if it were to for example generate an additional piece of paper in that trim notice the board would pay those
costs um and then when we use an offset millage methodology where we reduce the general fund to increase an mstu millage there is a compounding Revenue loss to the general fund but there would also be um potential for a compounding Revenue
increase to that business unit you were to slide over to an mstu and we have an example so you can kind of see how that shakes out it's a lot of information do we have any questions before I move on to the next slide all right so we have two examples here
for you we have one example of a Parks mstu assuming that the cities do opt in and contribute and then we have a second example assuming that the cities would not opt in and contribute just so we can see how that math Works um it is
important to notice that our current state in the general fund um we are not providing $8 million worth of program Revenue to Parks Capital maintenance so this would be new monies um we do have $100 million dedicated for Parks but
those are for projects at $50,000 or less that they can complete within one year 1 million what did I say one million that's not what I meant t like here we
go all right so so the actual millage number don't necessarily get tied to what that necessary that millage number looks like right now because as you all know in June we get preliminary taxable assess value from the property appraiser in
July we get final taxable assess value so that number subject to change based off what those taxable assessed values are it's really that third column where it says program Revenue that you would want to be paying attention to and then the last column where it says new
revenue or growth to Parks over five years so we'll talk about about that one in more detail so let's use the middle example of operations where we're looking at what millage would we need to
generate roughly $23.7 million which is Park's current operating budget if we were to just take that operating budget out of the general fund and move it to an mstu so using the same growth assumptions that we use for our existing fire mstu we've looked at assume a
flatline budget of $23.7 million for five years and then using our growth assumptions in the mstu we've looked at what is that Delta from $23.7 million and what we anticipate additional Revenue to be over five years that
program would grow by 28.9 million so that's that explains that compounding Revenue increase in the mstu and then that would be an or to you said it increases by 28 million do you mean it increases to 28 million no but that's
how much additional Revenue over a 5year period the if you never change the millage rate would get generated in that MSU above and beyond the 23.7 million operating budget so what's happening is is the parks budget being separate into
the mstu would organically grow by 28.9 million if the board did nothing else so the board could either modulate that millage right to control the growth of the park budget right now that growth occurs in your general fund and then it is used to
fund other things so if you move it to that mstu it's not available there but it is available here and I think that was the the last item that Amy was trying to hit on that compounding effect I I hope that makes sense right so the compounding effect is the park budget does not I'm sorry the
Park's budget right now uh it it it maintains a pretty pretty flat growing in the general fund I you know so when when departments come forward and they they have budget requests and proposals they're competing within the general fund for those dollars so um you know
the park budget would not increase much more over 23.7 million normally but if it was in an mstu and that mstu was allowed to grow that Revenue would be isolated and kept in in Parks or the board could decide to reduce millage or
do something with it right now it grows within the general fund and then it is used to cover other things like Corrections uh you know libraries there could be other Public Safety Sheriff's budget Etc where those dollars are currently allocated but so are you saying that in five years our General
Revenue fund will more than double now what she's saying here is well that's what she's saying there that that in five years if the operations is 23.7 million Park yes the park budget could theoretically double of course theoretically General Revenue fund your
General Revenue fund would not well why would that and because that's not in your general fund anymore you've taken it out the Assumption here that that what she's showing is is that we reduce it's been mentioned here before that pull Parks operations and pull Parks maintenance into their own separate mstu
the example that she's showing is if we took Park's budget which is currently 23.7 million and we removed it from the general fund that represents 4715 Ms so you establish an mstu at that now park budget is set at 23.7 you make a
commensurate reduction in the general millage which lowers you from 747 right now which is about where we're at to 695 okay and so now your general your general has been cut your Parks is running so the dollars that would have grown in your general fund are not
growing there anymore they're going grow in your Parks I just thought it grew to 28 I didn't know it was an additional it actually would be a it would be a larger number in your general fund because you have a larger base and a larger millage and again those dollars would not be available in the general fund
because normally we we would not grow the park budget at that rate right right and and nor should we yes okay sorry go right and so to to Mike's Point it's important to to understand that the what we're bringing before you in terms of
examples are assuming a net neutral impact to the taxpayer right so they would be paying the same taxes it's just a little bit less for our general fund and then taxes for the parks MSU so we did run these scenarios assuming net
neutral impact to the taxpayer so I just have a question so this is just to operate the parks right that's not that second one would be to operate the and that's not making any improvements or anything like that just operating correct just their ability to grow their program based off of taxable assess
value growth and then how the board decides to set that millage on an annual basis the Third scenario would assume that we're looking at building their operations budget plus $8 million of capital maintenance in there as
well which is not how they're currently funded this year Amy for clarity that's combining with the mstu that the board last year coupled with into this new example correct right so so let's say the board
wanted to opt into something like that third one it would require an amendment to the current ordinance which we would have to put that into action by around May that way we can hit our trim trim requirements and deadlines for this
year um are you wanting us to discuss this now well so I just want to show one I would like us to discuss it but I do want to show one more example so this is is um assuming that the cities raise their hand and says yes we want we want to opt in and they adopt their ordinance
in order to do so we do have a second example if the cities did not raise their hand opt in adopt an ordinance and say they want to participate um it does look a little bit different this one would have an impact
to our homeowners um worst case scenario uh a little over $7 annually based off $150 ,000 taxable assess value so scalable based off taxable assess value am so because I know what they're
thinking so the municipalities correct me if I'm wrong after discussing this and thank you all for using this as an example this is exciting stuff for me uh the municipalities share into our Park system is what a million bucks collectively
for for within the parks system what we consider say say this goes through and we're not collecting to commissioner Mariano's concern is this the municipalities aren't paying in what are we not collecting from them roughly a million bucks total what's the what's the sum total of
it's a dious amount we don't have so my point is I don't think have that me but I can get it my my point to that comment is is with the inter loal cuz back in the the pros and cons section we might be able to get more out of our city Partners to help help
towards the fields and not right now they're contributing basically nothing but they're using it and wearing out our field so the current Formula doesn't doesn't work anyway that's for discussion point so anyway thank you um I do have a question on that too um
so we took over the baseball fields for the City of Newport which Keith you may need to stand up here I don't know um we took over the baseball fields I think for the City of Newport Richie um I can't think of any sports fields that the City of Newport rich M operates and
maintains just off the top of my head um are there any uh no and um date City there's there's yeah there's a handful the city of dat city is Burks maintained by the city or by the county that's a County facility okay is there a
soccer complex maintained by the I wouldn't call it a complex but there's some single field sprinkled within the city limits yes that does count and Zep for Hills do they have any they also have a handful of fields as well so um the to me there's two ways to go around
this uh one our cities are not that big um so it's not a big issue to me but it would be nice if they participated if we go to this the other way around it is if you live in the city and you're on a county field they could
pay a fee to use it um depending on your your home address if we if that was an issue to a commissioner um um but you know and or maybe we say a city's of a certain size and not I mean San Antonio St
Leo how many people live in San Antonio the only thing I have to add is living in this city I pay of new we paid $4,000 worth of taxes to live in the city I feel like they should contribute um okay I want our tax dollars going
somewhere all right so um Okay so then um do we want to look at ju just taking I think what we talked about earlier was the maintenance being
in an mstu or do we want to discuss the whole Kaboodle going in the maintenance mstu is what made it all the way to being all the way across seeing
ordinances in place this would combine the maintenance piece that we made it to the end of the budget cycle but didn't fund and then the remaining pieces of the parks budget and this is what I was advocating for last year um within this
obviously you see the compounding growth which gives the board an opportunity to manage that growth and just if you don't like the grow reduce the reduce the taxes and grow with it and then Kei Department can can do what they they need to do and they're not being their funds not being being rated I'm I'm for
and I'm going to continue I'm for an all encompassing Parks mstu based on I think this fantastic presentation that am team put together of why I think it's important that we go through the exercise and look at the
park budget through this example um and then obviously Keith Keith I'm going to speak for Keith but I think Keith is probably had some conversations with the municipalities and he may have a solution which may alleviate some of commission Mariano's concerns but again I think this is a very healthy and
fantastic discussion and I'm very glad that we're we're doing the parks as an example of of the mstu for for me I it it doesn't matter to me as long as we get the money to safely uh and professionally operate and
maintain our parks and we have more Parks coming online with no money to maintain them we shouldn't even open a park you know every time we open a park it needs to have the Cor responding maintenance in the budget yeah I mean that's very irresponsible to open
something and then and the maintenance is and you can't maintain it you can't mow it um so we we have to have a plan to get him the maintenance money he needs sty you what I'm hearing you so you're favorable of exploring the
opportunity of combining an alls MST for the part yeah I I I would go either way um now obviously I don't think it's appropriate that I mean Keith's got to we've got to keep the park budget at the right number that's our job yeah and so
that mstu um Delta that isn't needed by the parks needs to go back into general fund and so so we just have to tweak that number every time right every year and we just do a a budget of millage reduction clarify the last thing that you said about putting money back into
the general fund because once it's in the mstu that's where it is so unless you make changes to your general operating millage right that we can do that every year right we say how much does how much should be in the Parks I'm you certainly you certainly can I mean I don't know what that when I when I when I say
modulate that may be increasing some years cutting other years to well can't they tell us what the number is well it depends on growth the problem that you you can reduce the mstu millage
easily putting it back in the general millage you're going to still you it's not seamless you're going to have to then have an extraordinary vote likely because you'll be above the
roll back rate right so it you can't just take it and put it into the general back it it's going to the the way the statute operates is it's going to be considered an increase to your general millage
that then has to go through the oh then people say we raise taxes right four or five four or five I was waiting for Jeff to finish but that's what I was I was going to say is that you know everything from Washington DC is they're like trying to you know save and I know we
run very thin but to the taxpayer it's going to look like we're raising taxes yeah so as soon as they see that mstu on their tax role so how do we how do we accomplish what we want to accomplish without having a tax well we
can't no I mean simply would be aiori of how you want to spend money I mean so right now we we we put money into various but you know in various buckets during the budgeting process if this board says you know look we we want that $8 million we it will come from
somewhere within the existing funds and we reprioritize and that's that's how it would be spent that's how you would do it we're we're taking the total we're pulling the millage dollar for dollar essentially off the general operating fund so there's seven Mills we pull four Mills so that's a
good you know we have three Mills and this is hypothetical in the generate fund the four Mills go to the parks budget so it's flat so there'll be a reduction in one and you're just taking that money and putting into another but the millage rates balance out so there
is no tax where we have an opportunity as a board is when it comes time to the parks mstu this board has an opportunity to reduce taxes by cutting Mill in the Parks mstu to keep that fund where it needs to be so there's an active vote
discussion public hearing people may Advocate hey I want to have more money in Parks we may not but it gives the board total autonomy to cut that tax as they want in any board into the future and that's why I think this mstu is is a is a good move and because it protects
it you you it's transparent to the taxpayer it's transparent to what the needs are because it's a budget a bank account for that particular duty of those funds which is the fund the parks I'm all for this plan um and so let me
let me follow up on I think I had something backwards so because Keith um if you don't mind can you go back to the slide that was there before this one um so operations in five years so
right now you're at 23.7 and maybe and like I I am not the finance person in my family it's 23.7 if I understood what they were saying you're going to take 23.7 and add 28.9 in 5 years no no okay well that's
what you said is you said that's the anticipated growth if the operation before you said it's new Revenue 28.9 it it is that it is that is what we would project that's what it grows from 20 23 to 28 that makes more sense okay which
is maybe what you than what you do need well that so I think Mr carala explained it yeah that's over five years but I think Mr carbal explained this great So currently the parks operating budget is is not growing this way so I think this
example is an opportunity for it to grow like the like the adalum and the general fund but in its own dedicated taxing unit so I I think what what om is trying to explain here is that as cost of goods services and contracts increase just
operationally we would probably be able to address that through a dedicated Ops mstu the piece that's not clearly called out yet or has not not been resolved is the third it's the maintenance piece which also needs to grow right but will also grow in its own taxing unit as well
correct okay I I maybe I didn't ask it right but the way I thought you saying it that is the sum total yeah so if you add the total of the growth yeah if you add and this is projected right so things are subject to change especially five years out right but that's our
projected year 1 plus year two plus year three plus year four plus year five that is assuming we don't touch the millage and our growth assumptions 5e out are accurate I mean we're we're adding more
and more parts and um and so his budget needs to his operation needs to grow and so does maintenance mam chair yeah so the bottom line is we control the budget if we want to increase the budget I don't need an mstu to increase the
budget we can just do that and put it in there and if you if you're worried about protecting it well so be it it's going to take a vot vote every year as we do our budget every year to keep funding in when the economy went to to in the toilet back in 07 guess what we had to
cut and we cut hard did we cut too much maybe we did but guess what that board made the decision and that's what we had to go with the problems I have number one you're going to put 91% of the population to pay for all these parks and it's not right CU everybody uses
them everybody needs to come to the table if you're going to go this way then my major objection goes away the other thing you've got to look at is you got cras that are out there I've got very wealthy people very wealthy homes that are still in a cra the City Newport
Richie has no plans to ever get rid of the CRA Port Richie they've cut a few things back I haven't seen any more Cuts in a few years now I think we need to go look at those cras too because that's taking money out of our County operations that could be in there that those guys are just ging and you think
po Richie is 100% new po rich is 100% blighted do you think new P Richie is 90% blighted our taxpayers for the county are paying the freight for them people to go work these cras and I don't agree the way it's being done I I think we going to go we should be looking at that if you want to increase and help
this but again back to the basic points if you get every single City in I think it's okay to go this way if you want to separate it out but if you don't have every single City in it it's not fair to the regular County taxpayer okay and and I want to clarify something that that
um that if if the mstu grows more than is needed all we have to do is roll that back we don't there won't be necessarily any extra Revenue to put back into the other and we don't have to touch we don't have to touch the other although it wouldn't be a tax increase it would
be a tax decrease because we're potentially we'd be adding money to back into the general fund so right so for example if if that year one operations right so that sum total is 28.9 if that year one was $2 million and we decided
that Park's budget only grow by $1 million then you could reduce the to only provide $1 million of Revenue to parks that year now based on your current setup and again I just want to foot stomp this is that additional million would have normally reev resided
in your general fund but when you make the reduction as this is you know a dollar for dooll reduction you will not have that growth in your general fund right now what happens is other things get prioritized and that's why your Parks budget kind of kind of grows at the rate that it does so you would have
to make other decisions regarding what other expenses may be coming to the board well we're not I throw out there on that item we don't budget Parks the way we should and commissioner joerger there is no 8 million in our budget for there is no money in our budget for Keys
maintenance that's that's why we are talking about mstu and it is the way that most many places fund their Parks Hillsboro County funds it this way um I don't know if you've done an analysis of how many counties they fund it through
mstu sometimes it's the county wide sometimes it's in districts so um ke Keith have you talked to any of the Cities so when we did the impact fee study we did an analysis and it's a mixed bag commissioner so um I will say
this though uh talking about just the growth in the general fund so my team did an analysis from 2017 to present and we looked at our adopted Budget on Goods services and contracts to present day and we compare that to an inflationary 6% increase from 2017 to present and
what we should have gotten through natural growth was almost $2 million more than what we have currently today from 2017 so I think the you know the County Administrator is saying it very clearly you know it's it's ultimately going to come from some other place in the general fund so I've been your Parks
director for almost eight years I haven't seen that growth come to this department specifically so uh we are kind of continually falling behind whatever yeah chair it's it's my viewpoint of this and and maybe I didn't articulate as clear as last year it's
it's it's a restructuring of our budget it's not an increasing in taxes it's just right restructuring the money that we have and putting that money to work differently yeah and have a better compounding effect look at the fire Ms to it's performing really really well I
think it's it's from when it was increased two years ago I think it's outpacing its projections at least last budget cycle seemingly it was performing really really well and that just further reinvigorates my
my support for really considering something similar for for parks and then we tackle the other issues at hand uh you know uh the way that that the board sees fit again thank you guys Amy and
the team for for doing and Keith for being patient with me I I greatly appreciate it and Commissioners on those points are very valid and you know I think however we need to do it get the buying from the cities need to have skin in this game too and I don't disagree
with that but I don't want to rely on the cities for the overall greater good of our our Park system and What needs what needs to happen but they they need to to be uh in the room where this happens and have get in the game and and I'm going
to agree with you commissioner waitman um I think this is actually I'm I'm I'm more and more supportive of just putting it all in the mstu um I'd be I'd like to know what the Ci's feel um too yeah
so um I think one of the at least this is fun yeah we should do this more often so I appreciate using my department as an example this is Fantastical yeah I feel a lot more comfortable talking about it uh and I'm I'm probably more excited then commissioner waitman to discuss this um timing so I think the reason we wanted
to get this on the agenda quickly is timing is really important I hear commissioner Mariano's Point uh in terms of the Cities we've had some conversations with the cities there's again mixed interest uh in terms of because no one really at the time knew what the number would be um I think we I
think Amy you said that we have to have the existing ordinance that the board approved for Parks Capital maintenance last year uh revised by May correct ultimately so that's that's one paragraph It's you know we can work with the county attorney's office we can get that section cleaned up and then we can
kind of you know get ready for the budget cycle what I would ask is that maybe the board give us an opportunity if if we don't do that and we have the cities ahead of that then we have to negotiate with the cities first before we do anything at all which means that the parks department would fall another
year or two behind in critical funding so I maybe I guess what I'm asking for direction is is a modification of the existing ordinance to go to an all-in mstu number with the with the condition that we would work with the cities to structure some kind of ordinance or
local agreement after the fact that's the direction I think we're looking for cuz we need the time to do the work that's what I'm in favor of M so before we get before we get to that there's a couple things I do want to add in let me let me go please thanks okay um so I've
got some friends that played soccer they played either in penel or Hillsboro when they went down to play down there they sear charged them to come in to play so maybe the way to make it work to the bounce of fairness I'm trying to get
for the County Employees is maybe if a city doesn't participate there's a search chch you've got to do some calculations because you're going to have do your homework I need you to go comparison for what Hills Ro palal does we're going to find out what the sear charge would need to be to balance it out yeah and if you can do it that
way because let's say politics and whatever they may not do it even though it's the right thing to go do but if you can bounce it out financially that does the burden doesn't fall in the county people maybe that's the way I can get to that point but it's going to take the resour search the numbers to go figure out the way to do it and that would keep it fair which is what I'm trying to make
it happen I I personally think it should it it should be for um cities of a certain size I mean everybody even as St Leo everybody so that's just the feast get to commissioner maran's Point that's a fee schedule update there's a way to audit it I'm sure we could figure that out and
I think Amy wants to just talk about a number if we don't include them what that number would be and I just want to say one more thing yep Keith you are doing a phenomenal job with the parks what you're doing is incredible I got some slides up at Sun West the improvements that going on there the ones that are coming right up what you're doing with Parks is phenomenal
and I think you know we saw Jim Walter say get his resolution the involvement of sports with families is phenomenal right it's it just keeps the families together keeps them going playing and for the seniors that want to go out and just go for a walk and be a place to go
um parks are critical to to the livelihood this of Pasco County making this Premiere so you're doing a phenomenal job with it I want I want to help you get there but I think we might have a path at this point can I wonder can I just throw something out there and we can talk about it a different time but maybe see like how our pennies spent
and maybe some of our because I'm I'm on pelis right now and that's how they pay for their infrastructure their Parks helps with the jails things like that is there any way we could relook at how our penny is spent um I would have the County Attorney answer that question because we
already Madam chair passed our pen so there is already a portion of the eamp uh penny that is actually going to Parks infrastructure for natural resources Improvement so I think it was 10% of all revenue proceed over the life of the
penny no 10% of the county share of of yeah of the of the eamp portion not and just just to remind you commissioner jger uh 40 what is it 40% goes to the school district of our Penny 10% goes to
the cities which maybe that's where they pay for their Parks part out of and and um 40% comes to the county of which that is divided into specific categories Transportation Economic Development and the El lamp program so it's it's kind of
um set in its Lane already is that right County attorney you've renewed for 15 years you could have that discussion in 15 years yeah um but but commissioner jer's Point there's already um an allowance at least for some infastructure to the tune I
think of $8 to10 million those are specifically with with El so so natural resources based amenities so it could be like a Wilderness Park um it could be an El lamp infrastructure project yeah things like that so we're giving the cities 10% yes cities get 10% of that so
I say they they participate they participate to for our part um you know I had to talk with Keith this morning uh my monthly where is my uh anklet River Park plan from Health seems like it's been years and he you know we're
renovating that Park it's way overdue we bought half of it from duke years ago and um and he said well commissioner yeah they're I don't know 60 70 whatever percent but he doesn't have the money anymore to renovate it because he had to
take it from that to renovate and fix some other Parks so we he is woefully behind I know we want to add a Little League field um in commissioner jager's District we've got the little Le complex coming up in Bexley we hopefully we're
going to do a MAG Maggie Valley make it into a park we've got some parks over here that are desperately needed and he has had no no increase in his maintenance budget that kept barely kept what he's had in the past so you know
how do we add new park without maintaining it so we have we have to take a step um and remember that this would be a reduction in the general equal to the mstu so it's not a bottom line increase per se just depends on
what we do with the general the millage when that time star yes hey so Keith to for the sake of this conversation on Direction in the paragraph that you have to tweak yes sir can you add if commissioner Marano goes forward with it because it's a unanimous deal mhm can
you add the sear charge Andor or something in the sear charge language in there I'm looking at Mr to cover at least you know preliminarily like last year if we get this thing we can bring it all the way to the finish line and not fund it but
the structure is in place which to me is important which is a foundation of what we did last year so we can't go another year without we me commissioner Mariano on this sure um well that the attorney was going to answer that then I'll go to you
so I'm not sure how you would do a fee or a sech charge that was not on League Play to begin with it may be legal it's not something we've been asked to look at um but it's not part of
the mstu even if it even if it it is legal to to put it on so I wouldn't it would not be part I wouldn't see it would be part of the ordinance you can
it's really a resolution a fee resolution or a Parks operational resolution it's not part of the financing vehicle called The mstu Madam chair if I may I think maybe a way to do this would be to estimate
the loss Revenue you know of all the cities develop the search charge I think that commissioner Mariano was referencing and then kind of get that into the fee structure at a separate time um I don't think it necessarily needs to be included into the ordinance language for the MS to you but but to
identify that Gap and the and the desire for them to you know to participate I think that's how we can and then to commissioner starky to your point it would obviously maybe the sear charge is based on population by jurisdiction I'm just literally Amy and I are just kind of hang I it's over it's an
oversimplification of I think how to get there but that would be the path I think on the analysis in my opinion and commission and and so to what is that number that the we would need to make up from the cities so my team ran the number based off that
second example of operations and it comes out to roughly 2.18 million that the cities would be or would not be contributing okay commissioner Mariana I'm comfortable trying to find way I wouldn't expect it in the mstu but as long as we're making policy for as setting it up with a
resolution probably simultaneously pass them at the same time so we know and the people know his why we're doing his his how I think it'll be tougher to get I mean the league plays the easier part to get done I think it's be harder with the passive Parks when you factor that in so that number could be really small anyway
so it may not be worth chasing um so if it doesn't me all the money Revenue loss that's okay long as we're close to uh offsetting it so the people of the county un paying the full burden yeah the the multiple employees you're going to have to hire for parks to chase down
the single person that comes on just like just like we had the $2 fee at Hudson Park it didn't make sense we we spent more money collec them than we did going forward so for for all that reason not worth it but I think for the leak pay it it kind of mirrors what pelis Hills Road does for out out of County
people yeah now we're just going to do it for the same effective out of County people out of benness to you people for the same principle commissioner Oakley you you're good with uh proceeding well I'm just just trying to
make sure that we're we've got the money we need for the parks and yeah um I think I need just to sit down with Amy and them and and Keith and figure this out myself so okay well it sounds like you've got
board support to move forward and um and so I just wanted to remind the board you know secondary order effects um with a reduction to the general fund millage you would also see a reduction to commissioner Marano's point to what we actually contribute to the crra because
that is based off of that's based off of that as well yeah um and then just a reminder that the the current agreement with the board with between the board and the sheriff is 40% of additional um growth so you know just big picture all
of the different muscle movements on how this thing plays out mam chair yeah that's a great point with the c so you can factor that into and I'll be comfortable with that too yeah okay that's a good point yeah
okay wow is there any more on this slide oh so we do have a couple more slides so we wouldn't be doing our job if we didn't hear what all five Commissioners had been saying so we also put together some other ideas if the entirety of the board did not want to move towards um
adjusting and amending the current Park so we did throw up a couple more options that you would have so I'll just go over them really quickly um requesting one of our commissioners I believe it was commissioner waitman had brought up Constitution officers getting moved into
an MST as well um so just a reminder another way we could still maintain that level of transparency that would we would like that an MSU would give us could be um more detailed Bud budget submissions and presentations from our constitutional officers or maybe
leveraging an earmarked um policy in the general fund which is not something that you would vote on or adopt but we could just say this much of our general fund millage will earmark for this particular purpose and then as we see you know Contracting
and suspend and um growth in the general fund that program would grow and contract in by a like amount chair yeah to that point in in the whole organic conversation of mstu since our constitutionals you know
we're this job of this board is to to manage its budget and my thought process was since the constitutionals don't have budget Authority they have their own mstu and it gives them a business case to come before this board to raise or lower
their mstu and have input over their mstu uh and and engage them more in their in their budget process they're duly elected they have their shops to run um and I've always thought it's a bit disingenuous that they didn't have budgetary authority and all the onus
falls on this board so if constitutionals have their own mstu it gives them the ability to make a business case if they need more funding and to say hey County Commissioner we need a bump in our mill rate or we're healthy and they can come and say please
cut my millage rate to to stay in line and we're working together to to cut taxes and save the taxpayer money so that was the premise behind the Constitutional um idea that I brought up with County administrator again it would be pulled off the General Revenue
shrinking that General Revenue portion adding more transparency and accountability to the funds of the General Revenue pot and um you know again it's just a restructuring of our budget and the way it's it's been managed so that's just
that was my idea behind it well I've talked about a um putting the sheriff you know working towards an mstu on the sheriff now I hadn't thought about the whole budget um but I am I mean that's that's the biggest one
that that's where I would start first biggest one and um I'm I'm you know maybe we set it up and then next year have more discussions or you know roll one out a year see how it goes I don't know chairman if I if I
can it's really only the sheriff I think that you're going to be able to do the constitutionals as as an mstu because Tax Collectors a fee office officer M yeah property appraiser has
his budget approved by the Department of Revenue not by this board you just have to fund it uh clerk's office is half and half half state funded half County funded
um supervisor of elections you're going to have the fluctuation of his budget goes up in a in a election year and then goes down the next year so you're going to have the the roll back rate issue for his budget so I think that leaves you
with the sheriff as the only one that it makes sense for um completely up to the board do we know if there's any other County that funds law enforcement like that I don't know we can research and report
back yeah I mean I think there has to be a lot more a lot of discussion on that one well again I think the MST the same way protects the Park's budget if you want to use the sheriff's budget as an example it protects the sheriff's budget yeah it gives him the compounding growth within the fund to to to use what the sheriff
or future Sheriff's need and if it gets a little high it gives that sheriff opportunity to come back and say hey I'm watching watching out for you taxpayer roll roll it back a pinch um you know and like commissioner Marano said with politics the makeup of this board could change over time and uh with the whole
we saw the defund the police movement and everything that goes into it to to mess with the mstu there's more opportunities for public comment public engagement it takes more than three votes to to move the needle on these it's an added layer of protection for
very critical service in this County and I I think it's the healthy way to go in the long in the long run of the budget F operation I'm willing to talk about it um where are we on the U Public Safety
impact fee because we also want to well that's listed on this as a discussion item I mean we have the fire uh impact fee which is undergoing review right now but you do not have a all encompassing Public Safety impact feed we need one
Amy here will make a case when you look at some of these long-term capital expenses but it's not a silver bullet there either because needs have been we we should have been collecting that we have to build the jail growth is causing us to expand the jail grow is causing us
to build a courthouse corre gr should be helping pay discusses that so I mean you know Amy I don't know you want to hit the last bullet and then we can get to that point um so my team had did some research we asked who what counties had the sheriff or their sheriff law
enforcement in mstu Alachua clay doodo Escambia Glades Maran pelis St Lucia and valua pelis M M chair yeah can you get us the some details on those all those companies so we can take look exactly they do it
whether it's like 80% 20% whatever and let's go take a look at it I I think the key is the transparency what's going on in DC right now everybody's looking at every single budget every single item going through um I don't know how many pages of budget
we get 10 10 15 pages and I think panel's kind of they get like 600 pages in a full day's presentation maybe it's more than one day okay a couple days so and maybe that's what we need to get to because I mean we we want to fund the police we want to make sure our people
are getting done but we want to also make sure that the taxpayers are getting a good value too yeah and I just want to add I know you know with the the sheriff's office they assist the cities a lot so I when we're talking about you know the city's you know joining forces
with us I I I really do again go back to feel like if we could collect that money from them if we can get them on board I think it's really important well some some we've taken over right and then Port Richie and Newport would she still have their own yeah we do does dat City
still dat city has its own Police Department San Antonio St Leo contracted yeah to the sheriff services for the sheriff if I might add just a comment having lived through many of these same discussions back in the 90s as to Sheriff's Office
mstu um and a caution to to be considered is be sure you're looking at a charter versus a constitutional counting where the uh and the attorney will say shut up you don't know what you're talking about
but the again Pasco not being a charter County the statutes are very clear and are the underpinning Baseline for your smaller counties and historic that have not gone to a charter as to how budgeting of constitutional officers can
be done and therefore in order to change that and go away from that you're looking at some significant statutory Provisions uh and God help me from using the word charter
uh when you write a charter County then you Chang all the rules uh basically uh as to how you fund that well legisl is looking at doing that anyway so Madam chairman yeah if I can respond so I
think Mr clerk is correct in that used to be the way it was um but since the Constitutional Amendment that basically said that Charter counties can't regulate their constitutionals I think we're all sort
of on the same footing but yeah it's an academic debate it's not can I just Chase is here can I bring him up one minute just Chase do you mind coming up hot seat sorry St Chase does a good job
know I want to hear from you CH does a great job uh Chase Daniels Pasco Sheriff's Office uh 8661 citizens Drive Newport Richie sherff under Sheriff community outreach Sheriff Chief under um no so so thank you very much commissioner jger
and thank you for uh for the discussion um so so just a couple of points for us as commissioner joerger noted um you know one of the big issues is is that City issue as commissioner Maran noted with the parks with 91% of the county being unincorporated for instance on Saturday uh Newport Richie had a shooting on US 19 with an inant
bystander um that was shot they called us out to assist with that uh they call us out frequently for forensics you know to the point uh there is Dade City Zephyr Hills Newport Richie and Port Richie PD um but again th those are often small departments that we assist greatly with so there would be some
concern about about the city aspect of that um and then you know just in general regarding the budget um you know we have certainly heard uh loud and clear from the commission so this year you will see a much more comprehensive budget I know the the sheriff has um meetings scheduled with each of you as well in the next couple weeks um we are
looking this year just so the board knows you know guesstimating based on on some very early numbers um that our entire budget increase this year is basically going to be uh taken up by $2 million in self-insurance cost a projected 2 a. half million in state mandated retirement 3 and a half million
in what we consider contract escalators so bullets cost more IT services cost more uniforms cost more uh and then we may have a million to $2 million left um for raises but but we're preliminarily not looking any new positions this year because of the the constraints of that budget um but to that point we're
certainly open to discussion you know if that's the board's desire but like I said the big thing would certainly be to make sure that we had those cities um bought in as well because we we do assist a lot and whenever someone calls 911 they don't necessarily want to hear well you you don't pay into the MSU so we're we're not going to we're not going to respond so that that would be a
significant point for us so if we heard right this money comes before they get their CRA money so in effect we are I'd like to know that those numbers because in effect we are getting some money that we would have been given them for in the CRA so that that does help um I and I do
have a question uh our bullets and uniforms what else did you say uh bullets bullets uniform and and information technology so like our our servic that's not capital is that Capital no ma'am okay so but are bullets and uniforms Capital costs why not
operation oh shoot I was thinking that could be helped in an uh uh impact fee the strict definition the accounting definition of what capital is that Madam chair yeah Chase first I want to say I really appreciate being able to reach out to you every time I get an
issue that goes on you're always responded well finding Solutions so I I greatly app appreciate the relationship um when you mentioned as far as going Self Insurance $2 million more is this a good move or a bad move if we spended more money so uh it is um I I I would
hesitate to call it a bad move but it's certainly impactful um so so the sheriff's office so so we we do fully s self-insure our members um and we do not have have reserves so we have to make sure that every year our our health insurance is is fully capitalized um so unfortunately we have had an issue this
year where we had uh two of our members who who passed after significant battles with cancer um as this board can can imagine certainly there there are significant Insurance costs that go along with that which has uh significantly impacted our our self Insurance Fund so so we have to make sure that that is uh going to be hold this
year I don't know how our insurance works but have you guys looked at maybe joining with us and say some sometimes spread out the risk better it works out better have you guys looked at that we we would certainly be open to that discussion um the the one the one big issue with that is you know to make sure um you know whenever it comes to
catastrophic and reinsurance and things like that but we would certainly be be open to disc right yeah we're self insured as well yeah we we would certainly be be open to that discussion because you know like I said whenever it comes to those those reinsurance costs and in catastrophic um you know last year unfortunately we did have a we we
did have a couple of catastrophic that did significantly impact our our self Insurance Fund and so the the the business discussion for for the sheriff and the sheriff's office as a whole is you know at what point do we increase the the cost on our members for the health insurance versus what what we can cover um but you know this year like I
said we're we're looking at a fairly small raise that you know we so we are trying to avoid members losing money to to increase their health insurance have have you guys joined with us with the clinics yes sir so we are uh we're part of the Care here clinics uh with with the school district yes
yeah um M Mr carbal any thoughts on the joint health you know bringing the sheriff in under our health insurance I mean that's something savings you know what what the sheriff pays and how he self insures and what he charges his members versus how we run our programs could be different um but
can we can we get a Meer are willing to do it and want us to sit down I'll certainly take that direction and and take look for yeah me too yeah I mean who knows you know there could be saving the money but it could increase ours because their job is very dangerous so I
just we just need to look at it all yes ma'am yeah and we certainly appreciate we like I said we don't have those details um like I said the one thing for us would be um you know we certainly would would not want to necessarily impact that that 40% of of new Revenue agreement either with that so we could basically put put those funds to to better use you know additional positions
things like that can I add that they have a no smoking policy and we don't we have a we do we're not hiring any more smokers we have a policy that essentially uh you don't get you pay more if you're a smoker okay but you
have a policy that you don't hire smokers correct we we are strict non-smoking and in fact um our our first our first training campus um sorry um so uh so so our did yeah so so our
our our first uh our first training campus um we have actually recently implemented a policy that we are not allowing uh even smoking on that campus so if an outside entity comes in and they are doing a training on our on our training campus uh it is a smokefree campus completely so I like
that okay um good well you know lots of discussion um we're just trying to find the best way to move forward for our citizens and with the most transparency and you know I am not nervous about what the governor wants to do because you can go to my favorite little book how
Florida counties compare and you can see how where we are on uh on the numbers compared to the size of our County and and the cost of our government services we are killing it I
mean we're doing very well we are not we are not a high tax county at all so I feel very confident we will shine shine in any kind of um government look at look see in our County so um okay is
there anything else did you want to go over anything else so there's still more to the presentation okay let's go keep going you got 10 minutes okay did my clicker fall asleep oh okay all right so I'm not going to be labor the slide because we have already looked at it but this is just a reminder
of where our current levies sit and um some change over the past two years all right so here we've got a list of long-term capital uh criminal Courthouse which we talked during the January AR 28th meeting Public Safety
operations center uh consolidated records which um my understanding is our facilities team is working on a solution for that for us so that will be removed here momentarily and at least as of a month ago the sheriff's top three project
priorities going into this next year and we do know that we've got a need internally in the county for additional fire stations to meet growth and all of that so when we look at um like I said removing that Consolidated records
solution off the table as our facilities team is working on something for us we're looking at roughly $394 million of need just with what you see up here um if we remove that Public Safety operations center because we find
another way to possibly fund that you're looking at roughly $244 million so um some things some options that we would have for funding that Public Safety impact fee um General
obligation bonds um other revenue bonds things like that that we would have to talk through so that's another thing that we'd like to just kind of discuss with you all today board's appetite for those things um and we do have some information in terms of if we were to go
General obligation bond for any of these what would that timeline look like um the earliest we could do a referendum would be the 2026 selection and if that passed then funding could we could start pulling down funding in 2027 well do you have any numbers on the
uh Public Safety impact fee that would require a study um and in fact some of these for example if you look at your criminal Courthouse one one might argue that that's been a deficit and so it would be difficult to prove an impact fee for new builds going forward
if they should pay something that's already been a deficit so your impact fee for example in the courthouse is just say you already you need you need 10 new courtrooms and you need five today the impact fee could only cover those last five the first five we we've
already we have to find a way to do that that would probably be what Amy talks about going towards a general obligation typon or putting to the V to voters but I guess the question is is is the board comfortable with the strategy you know does the board want to try to move with these projects and if so a funding
strategy that would be a combination of of a general referendum um as well as impact fees to cover the large costs associated with these Public Safety Ops sure yeah so the big nuts the criminal Courthouse public safety operations
center I think we need to put those up to the voters um I would like to take an overall look at the impact fee if it needs to be restructured I'm not overly excited about increasing the impact we don't have one no no I know that I'm not
overly excited to increase the impact fee the net impact Fe but by doing this but I am I would be interested to take a closer look at the structure of the impact fee and what maybe needs updated or you know can update something we
don't have take over look at it we don't have a public safety impact fee I understand that but we might be higher in some areas than others I think we need to take an overall look at the impact fee we have some of the we have correct we have some of the highest impact fees around
and it hasn't slowed us down and um no but it's hurt some people in this County people that own land who want to subdivide their land they've had land for generations and they can't afford the impact fee to subdivide their property and build a house on it there's
ex anyway that's a different discussion um so those are the way go Bond put I think a lot of these need to put up put up to the voters see what the voters want to say commission commissioner for the um for the EOC that new some of that grant money we
might be able to use so we uh so in the current Universal notice um emergency operation centers and those types of facilities are specifically stricken in other words it can't based on the universal notice however we have been told that um federal government is
rewriting that Universal notice we've been having conversations with our federal delegation and agencies about restructuring that Universal notice to perhaps be a little more friendly Emergency Operations okay cuz that would be helpful if we could take you know a big chunk out of that and then maybe
help the criminal Courthouse yes ma'am we're we're we're pushing for that okay and and we learned um in Washington when we were making the rounds that other counties we need to connect connect with Hillsboro and pelis on that one because they both apparently pelis also wants to
expand theirs already um they would be in favor this also so um mam chair yeah I want to just touch on something that commissioner wman brought up cuz I think it's a really good thing to look at we we do have the highest impact fees and I think that's helped out keep our taxes
down that's let growth pay for itself all the way through but I think one of the best things we can do is we have families while we're pushing these adus coming in additional dwelling units it helps a family keep people together so whether someone's got a 20 acre parcel
they want to keep their family together on it or whether it be 2 acre parcel going down an acre parcel I think I would love to have us go take a look at an exemption or I don't think we should be having impact fees for ad use personally well not for ad use I agree
with that but I'm saying for if if I get someone who's got 200 acres and I want to go put 10 acres over for one of my family members this really no impact with that family because they're still living there but it gives them a separate way to go um and maybe David can can look at it and think about it
maybe this afternoon talk about a bit but I think that's a really good way to go and would justify make it easier to say okay we're going to charge all the other folks that are coming in just coming into the regular subdivisions that are really having an impact and the other ones that aren't and if we can
keep us more Rural and bigger Lots bigger estate Lots that's a good thing for this community in the long run anyway so Chase did just give me an update so the District 3 expansion um the sheriff is trying to get some State
appropriation dollars and for where which one is District three remind meated with oh yeah the one on triny Boulevard they want to make that bigger okay and for the Wesley Chapel field office they have been gifted some property that they're able to use or total ticket number um just dropped down
to 218 million keep going what else do we got guys a anything well I you know we had a great meeting with Senator Scott and um Bill Aris and Lee's office and um I I only heard positive that they
thought that it made sense with this EOC rewrite so I'm optimistic and you know we need to talk with our lobbyists of who else do we need to talk to I mean who are who are the real people involved in that rewriting which departments and
or which who who sits on the Committees that are in charge we also had subsequent meetings too with with FEMA and FEMA's working together with us as well and so it's a good vibe up in DC very good okay mar mar we learned that um we were were in
one of the meetings with um Walton County and this wasn't on their agenda and um and they said in their they had the Southern Accents so but I I can't copy it um but they decided that was a really good idea and they were going to
support it because their EOC is actually an old bomb shelter they don't even have one so they're like yeah we would be in support of that because we don't even have an EOC yeah and they're a Coastal Community that gets hit by Hurricane so okay anything else on that Amy nope I
think we heard what we need to hear to move forward with putting together a strategic package to then bring back to you all for consideration all right so we talked about the different merits of mstu our approach to mstu I'm pretty sure Mike we
got the direction we need to move forward with that as well and we engaged on our long-term capital needs and various funding mechanisms so thank you again for your very important dialogue with us and Direction so we can March forward and bring back some solutions to you awes anything else thank you what
you guys do Amy yeah guys awesome thank you okay we will adjourn for lunch recess [Music] [Music]
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[Music] [Music] good afternoon I'll Now call back to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting of March 11th 2025 please silence all electronic devices
and mute your microphones we will proceed with public hearings starting with ordinance item p34 yes ma'am this uh item was originally published in the September 13th 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay times for the meeting of January
14th 2025 and where it was continued to today that's what I'm talking about okay item p34 thank you madam chair item p34 is an ordinance amending the pasal
county comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future landage map element map series map 2-13 rural areas to remove the subject area and map 2-22 urban service area to change the designation is that I'm I'm sorry is it
me or is a window open or is that mic not on or very loud it's not the first one I heard okay I'm sorry can you start over again started from the top go ahead okay
um p34 an ordinance amending the pasel county comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use M land use element map series map 2-13 rural areas to remove the subject area and map 2-22 Urban surface area to change the
designation of the subject area from Urban expansion area to Urban service area and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repal cability and an effective date this comes to you with a recommendation to approve the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call
vote okay um does anyone wish for a presentation on this okay is there anyone in the public that wishes to speak to this item we have no one signed up in advance nor online see no one man' approval second
roll call vote district one commissioner opy I District Two commissioner W hi District Four commissioner Jer hi District Five commissioner Marana I District three chairman star um I am going to vote I but I just wanted to say that I had a conversation with with um
the applicant attorney and um there's a woful lack of parking up there and I asked for staff to kind of take a look at it and see what a remedy might be but you cannot find a parking space up there
parking parking oh yeah that's for my H for which not oh sorry I'm on the wrong one never mind I'm looking at 41 Clark's probably going I know what she's talking about that's not the right number okay
uh I I say I so that's uh five I okay um on to P35 sorry I have the wrong P35 we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter at this time in the November 27th edition of the
Tampa uh November 27th 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay thank you madam chair and for the record nario Pito Planning Development economic growth item P35 is PD 250061 this is an ordinance amending the PES County comprehensive plan providing
for a comprehensive plan map amendment to map uh 2-1 Wells wellfields and Wellhead protection areas to add Hudson Water Works and city of San Antonio Wells and providing for addition text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeatability
and an effective date uh this comes to you with a recommendation to approve the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote and there's a presentation if so desired I don't think we need a presentation right uh is there anyone here wishing to speak to this item
anyone online no one online Okay um I'll take a motion move approval second second roll call vote commissioner one are district one commissioner Oakley hi District Two commissioner wake hi District Four commissioner Jager hi District Five commissioner Marano I
District 3 chairman star I P36 P36 we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 5th 2025 edition of the Tamp Bay to item P36 is PD
250103 um I will read the name of the Ord and then there'll be a presentation uh for the rec in ordinance by the pasal County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pascal County Land Development code section 503 AC agricultural District Section 504 ac1 agricultural District section 505 AR
agricultural residential district section 506 ar1 agricultural residential district section 507 ar5 agricultural residential district section 519 ER EST State residential district section 510 er2 a state residential district section
512 R1 MH single family mobile home District section 514 R1 rural density residential district section 515 R2 low density residential district section 516 R3 medium density residential district
section 517 R4 high density residential district section 53.3 construction of accessory buildings and structures creating new section 5:30. 24 accessory dwelling units appendix a definitions and other sections as necessary for inter consistency providing for applicability
repealer providing for cability inclusion into the Land Development code and an effective date there's no action on this item this is the first hearing and I'll turn the mic over to Mr Patrick dutter all right uh good afternoon how's it going all right so uh accessory dwelling units I think long
overdue want you give your name oh I'm sorry uh Patrick dutter uh Planning Development economic growth uh so longer overdue uh accessory dwelling units so I'm going to read through um just some of the the language that we have written thus far uh looking for feedback again this is not an adoption hearing we're
just looking for feedback at this point in time so what is an Adu uh an accessory dwelling unit is an ancillary or secondary living unit that has separate kitchen bathroom and sleeping area the Adu may be a separate and detached structure attached to the principal structure a repurpose existing space
within the principal structure new space within the principal structure constructed simultaneously with the principal structure uh and apartment over a garage or similar structural form adus may be approved after the construction of the principal structure or as a simultaneous approval with the construction of
principal structure um or sorry or with a new dwelling unit adus may or may not be deemed affordable housing so why do we want to permit adus uh I think there was a board Workshop given I think almost a year ago now it's talking about affordable housing issues and adus were one of those uh items that were
highlighted as something that can help with affordable housing um but adus are intended to provide additional housing ancillary to the principal dwelling unit to increase housing opportunities promote mixed income neighborhoods encourage infill development address the missing middle housing types address affordable housing needs and provide housing opportunities to extended
families and then where should we permit adus uh zoning districts that allow single family dwelling units and In Those portions of MPS that have single family dwelling units as principal permitted uses so what other local governments have adus uh Hillsboro County penel
county P County Sumter County uh a whole lot of other counties permit uh accessory dwelling units um and also uh Pasco County Pasco County has accessory dwelling units in the county it's just in very specific MP UDS like long leaf is a great example long leaf has some
adus uh in that community so it's not foreign to us either um we actually there was some concern about how many adus we would uh see in the county CU there were concerns that we' see a whole influx of accessory dwelling units coming into the county uh we reached out
to our neighbors and generally um it was for a year between 100 to 200 um so it's not an overwhelming amount of accessory dwelling units um but you know there are some some decent numbers um so that's kind of the numbers our neighbors were looking at Hillsboro and pelis obviously
more so than pul cons Sumpter so into the dimensional standards uh so for the minimum size we're just going to allow the Florida building code to dictate what the minimum size is going to be there for the maximum we're proposing currently 900 100 square ft uh for the loot
coverage uh the uh Adu cannot exceed the coverage of the current zoning District uh for mudds that make a distinction between principal structure and accessory structure lock coverages the lock coverages shall be combined so often times we have accessory structures allowed a certain amount of coverage and your principal structure a certain
amount we're just combining that number uh for height uh they shall not exceed the height limitations of the current zoning district for which it sits setbacks the Adu shall comply with with the applicable principal structure District setbacks so just to make be clear we have smaller setbacks for
accessory structures but in that these are going to be dwelling units we wanted them to follow that of the principal units on the site um and then we want to provide some flexibility right because not every site is the same and we have some people that may want to exceed the
size of our minimum or sorry our maximum of the Adu or uh maybe someone wanted to exceed the height for a certain reason we're going to Prov provide the ability for someone to apply for a special exception to deviate from those requirements right because we can't get every
scenario so some additional development standards for uh adus uh parking uh so we're providing uh parking needs provided on site unless on street parking is permitted in the neighborhood um the required number of spaces is going to be persuant to our current existing code so nothing crazy there uh
the location of an Adu U may be within a single family dwelling or with a separate entrance or a separate structure um so people might want to convert their garage that's part of their existing unit you know if they assuming they uh enclose the garage uh they can have it basically attached to their existing unit in terms of
utilities they may be required to connect to existing water sewer electric and utility providers um and then if it's uh in an area that uh does not have well is reliant on well and septic they'll need a letter from the Florida Department of Health uh for connecting that additional Adu
uh continued development standards uh so these adus need to be on fixed foundations adus must be built on a permanent fixed Foundation this means the unit must be on P Footers stem walls and Port peers or engineered slabs so kind of trying to avoid mobile homes and single family districts essentially uh
garage conversions I already mentioned about the garages uh for garage conversions the garage door shall be removed from it and then the building opening and closed and then uh just a catch all the Florida building code adus must comply with the Florida building code and then some additional standards uh
you can only have one Adu permitted per lot uh so you'll have your uh principal structure and then you'll have your one accessory um dwelling unit no more than that um they are going to or proposing adus to be exempt from the comprehensive plan and Zoning density calculations
including muds um and we are also uh this was a Planning Commission request so the Planning Commission requested that um you know there with with the recent flooding that we experienced especially back in October that there are some areas in the county that maybe the
infrastructure in relation to storm water is not sufficient to support um some additional dwelling units even though they are accessory dwelling units so we are working with um our Public Works and storm water team to generate a map uh and similar to uh lock coverage
and size if you fell uh within one of the areas that was prone to heavy flooding or or flood issues um you would o need to apply for a special exception and that would be reviewed by the Planning Commission as well uh that's where the map's going to be hopefully one
b um some additional standards uh vacation rentals neither the primary dwelling nor the Adu can be vacation rentals unless 42.5 pointb is followed so basically we already have uh some code that talks about vacation rentals that they'll need to follow um timing of construction an Adu
may be constructed with or after the construction of the principal dwelling unit and and subdividing land with an Adu the Adu must remain on the principal dwelling unit's parcel if a lot split occurs all subdivision regulations and impact and Mobility fees shall
apply and so that's basically the text that we're specifically adding for adus a lot of the we had to basically change the some of the code sections to permit adus in the zoning districts so um so some complimentary adjustments we added a definition of accessory dwelling unit
to the appendix um we added Adu as a permitted accessory use in all districts that permit single family homes uh we combine principal and accessory lot coverages in those districts where this has not yet been accomplished most of them have and uh we removed caretaker units from the industrial establishments because they're covered in other ukan
areas and then we added a note that accessory buildings and structure shall not be constructed within an easement and that's it and um open for comments questions discussion um anything you want to talk about um Seth then commissioner Mariana
thank you um good see Patrick first time whatting your new rooll up here what's that this your first time in your new role up here uh yes it is day for you opening day yep so air the airbnbs you you you touched
on it we're going to prohibit prohibit uh accessory dwelling units if if that home is classified as an Airbnb I use that as an example CU in the land of lakes area you know going west
we struggle with the airbnbs within the lake communities and if these things are permitted there I can see them compounding some of the challenges that we have with the visitors sure and the disruptful that they tend to bring some
in the area so what yeah we're not intending to prohibit they just need to follow the existing so there's a separate code section that talks about vacation rentals and the process you need to go through to become a vacation rental like an airbn be um so we're just pointing out specifically for people that hey this other section of the code
exists for vacation rentals and there's a process there that you need to follow so we can if we know if they're a good actor and they playing by the rules and they're registered we can't say probably not a good idea for you to have an Airbnb as long as it's a registered airb because
we know what's going on there versus it being a true single family home used as that not a not a vacation spot I'm sorry could you just repeat the question one more time sorry I I understand I'm all for the
adus but using them appropriately if we allow an Adu on a known registered Airbnb site that could compound some of the issues that we have with the airbnbs and meaning you have more
guest more challenges that the known I'm kind of looping every one in together because the only way you can do it if they're registered do we allow those properties if they're registered Airbnb do we allow those properties to have accessory dwelling that sound due to that
challenge and I'm using specifically on our Lakes where staff knows what I'm talking about it's been pretty disruptful to the people who live there fulltime and they haven't been exactly the best neighbors sure so there's pros and cons with everything this is one of
the challenges that I didn't know if we could Madam chairman yes commissioner I think if that if that's a policy decision for the board if the board wishes to not allow them if it's not being used as quote the reason
you're adopting adus which is to allow a family member to be there to allow aition for whatever reason but if but if if I think you could legally take the position that if they're using it as a
rental unit as an Airbnb that we're not going to compound legally or illegally we're not going to compound the problem thank you County attorney well board members you've heard my concerns there so it's up to us just just to give some
additional background thank you Liam um so um the the process to have a vacation rental I think uh it's a conditional use requirement so come uh come in for conditional use I think in the last year we've only seen I think 10
was Liam Divine planning do we have 5,000 yeah so yeah you have a lot of un unregistered um short-term vacation rentals they are required to go through a conditional use process um we only have about 10 registered and permitted
in the county through through that conditional use process or through a plat so all those other ones would be a violation of the Land Development code because they would have not received that conditional use we do need to start getting those guys
registered yeah just want to ask looking at that bullet real quick um the intent here is it says neither the primary dwelling where the ad can be a vation 4 as followed are you making the implicit assumption that at least one is is a
residence so for example I have a home I live in the Adu I vacation my house or vice versa the intent or it's to commissioner W's point is are you compounding it by allowing now two essentially a hotel yeah I I think it was we're just trying to make the point
that if either one were going to be a vacation rental that 42.5 needed to be to follow guess mam chair uh commission Mariana I think it's good to just make sure that only one can be an Adu an Adu that's vacation
rental e either either either one of the properties only one of them can be a vacation rent the other part pushing cannot go okay okay all anything else that um and then incorporate we have the the notes the gentleman who spoke earlier in the
morning session public com mobile homes how how are they treated yeah I mean say you have a mobile yeah mobile home would not on an acre or two or what have you um to commissioner Marano's point that he was we were talking about earlier if we
allow a certain footprint they can have a second home help them with impact fees or whatever I mean it's still a home and there's people with sizable properties that can all over this County I mean are we just going to exclude them and not give them an an
opport opportunity just pigb backing on what mission Mar was bringing up earlier um I don't think you were here for that but sure Jack way so yeah I might have miss it so we're talking about potentially including mobile homes as
potential uses well I'm bigger but let's say you get larger pieces of property and if they do have a mobile home you might have let's say it's and I'll talk about you're 9 100 ft which I think it's too small as well but you may have someone who's going a mobile home now and then they want to go build a
home like say on the same property let's say it's a 5 acre piece of property they can meet all the setback requirements why wouldn't I want them to go and build an Adu on that property and I wouldn't want to restrict them being smaller they build Adu and then as they
building their future home um okay uh interest so I'm not quite sure why we wouldn't want that to occur but go ahead I think some people might be misunderstanding why we're going I mean the intent of this this
isn't to put two homes on one lot this is maybe not your this maybe not your intent but I'll I'll give you the story and we've talked with the staff about this we're trying to get it where people can actually have a home someone else can build a home in the
same property the Adu is a good way to go forward I think for all the smaller Lots Etc that you know sticking to a uh a tighter unit is is is good but if I get someone who's in a 5 or 10 acre piece and they want to bring a family
member on the property and I it can be an ad use Let It Be I don't want to restrict it the way the size is set up to be in just 900 ft I may have someone who's got a 1,200 ft trailer 1, 1500t trailer they want to build a home maybe they're going to move in the home and then the kids are going to move into the
other one or the grandparents whatever it may be I want that flexibility built into this so and I think that's why we added some of the language about allowing for a special exception to go over the 900 but you you you create another step of the government for the special exception
I want to build build in right now lay it all up there where people have some flexibility with their homes we got people that have been waiting as we've talked that are trying to do something similar to what we could accommodate here being that I've got this legislation here I want to put that in play now so when the zoning stuff finally comes up with the next detail
you can put that in there but I want to set what's keeping them from doing that now to build another house on a 5 acre you can only have one structure it dep depending on the rules of the subdivision exactly well they're still going to have to follow the rules of the subdivision that's what five this is I
want to give the exception to this here this this prevents them from having to go rent a place potentially for a longer period of time there's a lot of flexibility it allows people to use their property more flexibility of use of their property they they stay in it and
then they build their house and then they have their Adu and kids or whoever mve in that's the that's the whole premise kind of behind this is to give people more rights to their land I I am in a 100% uh uh in favor of adus I been
out trying to do this for over 10 years we did a development long leaf that has adus and every time developers come in to meet with me I say if you do wear loaded you can easily add a accessory dwelling unit over the garage and and it fit seemlessly into the neighborhood
what I don't want to see is it's probably I mean some of these districts where they're where you're taking a lot with a mobile home on it and you had another mobile home on it I mean that's not that's going backwards not forwards
so um I don't so I I I actually was going to say I think that I think that we should encourage adus well done adus and um and I would say I was having
this discussion with David um I don't want there to be impact fees on certain sizes of adus because I want I want people to build them and so I understand if you go to a certain size you're going to have an impact with the school
district so I would say um adus and I'm just guessing out a number seven a one bedroom and David said go by feet not bedrooms so 750 ft maybe I mean what's how much how much is a space over garage
typically or garage 750 ft would cover that pretty well I think I think those should be if they're on the same water meter and they don't have to have another meter I don't think should they should have any impact um but when you're talking about
taking a mobile home and add another one on it I don't know I think that's going backwards not forwards and and I I know I think probably both of you know but just to State it right if someone has a a a a home and then wants to have a second
home on a 5 acre property we do have the mechanism to do that which is subdividing and platting um but I I know that can be also a little bit cumbersome we need to make that easier that we need to make easier we have a gentleman who's got
a 5 acre parcel in Hudson on Cony Road I believe it's 5 Acres wanted to add another unit in this house and he couldn't I mean that was like three years ago now that market price has gone up who's probably not going to do it but I want to give people the flexibility
now you've got you got different ways to look at it like they said they they only want these in single family districts I think that's wrong that's I'm assuming that's the last page we had all the A's with a circle on them yeah okay which now you said single family so you addressed it with with our ordinance but
I want to have people if they're in let's say R4 make it to where they can be the smaller if you want but if they're in a large and and it could be a 5 acre parcel could be a 10 acre parcel let them go figure out what they want to go do you might have a there's many
situations you can have someone who's got let's say a a 1,200 ft Trail maybe a 1,200 ft home and they want to put another unit on there and maybe that unit what do you mean by unit on there on the house or on the lot on the lot okay you want to add a cottage not another house this is not this is this
is not meant to be a second house in your intention it's not meant to be a second house but I'm telling you for my get go with a conversation about that's something different than this I want to incorporate until we can get the stuff squared away oh I'm I'm not I mean if if I get someone who's got a we got an expert up here that understands
ad years if I've got someone who's got a mobile home right and it's call it 12200 ft now they want to go build a house in the same lot but keep the mobile home so a family member can move in there what's wrong with that 5 AC lot now not not R4
5 AC lot what's wrong with that process there I I guess there's some areas in your your neighborhood or your District yeah where they got 10 of them on there that we don't even care I guess uh no I think we care but I'm talking about a specific situation which are
address right now I'm going get I'm going myself in a hole there something else just to point out too right so like like pick back in the chair so for example Moon Lake Area they're all half acre plus area and you're going to add more of that to that it would allow them
to build they were to get an Adu it I think it'll lead to to to bettering the area it allow them to get their Adu they're staying in that as they're figuring out situation you know their their situation what it just gives
people the the flexibility to do more with their property I I I think you are opening up a Pandora's Box to a slump to go backwards how if they have to be on a
slab I mean look at all the construction Abu is a little cute Cottage in the backyard or a apartment over the garage it's not a trailer next to a trailer I mean it's not what it be the rules on this
state slab Foundation floor building code it it says how the structure is supposed to be built am I a misunderstanding are they not it's going be a different structure than what's trailer next to a trailer the r did I not hear that well I I think with with our language we are attempting to limit
the trailers and and mobile homes um doing site build uh adus absolutely M chair yeah so then you're comfortable let's say there's a mobile on the property and someone's going to build a home or another structure on slab on grade to the conditions that
you're okay with that no I I think the mobile why not and and let's take some pictures of what those look like a regular home I got I get a 5ft acre lot I've got a mobile home on it and I want to go build another home that's 2500 maybe 3500 ft
on the same property what's wrong with doing that so I I'll just add to one of the No No I want her to answer okay sorry that's that's not the intent is to have two families your intent that that is what an an Adu is not two families
living where one was living that's something different an Adu is is is usually a one maximum two bedroom let's say you have a parent who um need you want to put a little cottage in the
backyard we had one in my house in Miami um and uh you need there need a care you need a caregiver for a parent that wants to live on your property not go into Al so maximum two
bedroom is is usually what an ad you is very rare rarely are they two bedroom they're usually one bedroom or or or a great room and they never run a 5 acre right what and they're not usually on a 5 acre on a small tight Community what we're talking about I'm trying to
expand it to make it more flexible that is not an that I'm serving a countywide function here not just one little area one little one little cute little area I'm looking to try to take care of everybody in the county with this ordinance you can't then I want full
impact fees on that 100% impact fees because that is something totally different than what we're trying to do here you can't dictate can can one of you guys speak to what typically is an adct are we bearing off from what we started out to do um I guess one caveat
I will add is um to to their points other jurisdictions have size ranges that go from four like smaller cities 400 500 to um larger counties that I've seen some up go to 13,00 Square ft so size ranges can vary depending on
location but I will say that we are um we're we're trying to um the density restriction right we're we're saying these things don't count towards density I think the the larger you make these and the bigger the impact these things have
the argument doesn't get as strong uh isn't as strong once these things become larger buildings so if we if we're trying to have adus be exempt from the density requirements but it's 3,000 foot building that that might be a little bit of a
struggle so if you do if you do a compromise position to that so let's say you get a, 1500 foot unit now and you're going to go build a 2500 unit now give them a credit for the 1,200 next to the 25 now your offset's the same you have a different levels of
Permitting impact fees I think the cut off is like, 1500 not sure what 1,500 hire that there's a fee it doesn't go above that number if you give a credit for the Baseline number of however many square foot take it off the other unit that comes in and then you can assess
the impact fees from that Madam chairman yes I don't usually do this but I'll try and help um the American Planning Association definition of an accessory dwelling unit an accessory dwelling unit Adu is a smaller
independent residential dwelling unit located on the same lot as a standalone I.E detached single family home adus go by many different names throughout the us including accessory Apartments secondary Suites granny Flats adus can
be converted portions of existing homes internal adus additions to new or existing homes I.E attached adus or Standalone accessory structures or converted Pro portions of existing
Standalone accessory structures I detached adus but it doesn't say it's a second house or second so full so by definition it clearly should not be bigger than the
primary structure yes um that would be something other than an accessory dwelling unit but right that's another home not an accessory that's home number two right I
mean right see Liam Liam's agreeing with me you he can say that cuz he's leaving now not going to get in trouble um I I are any of you guys or any of you guys familiar with adus that
could come up and help this board understand them take a pole why because I don't think you trying or C or somewhere and get educated on some of this stuff and it's really
frustrating that you're talking about two houses on a lot and I'm talking about an accessory dwelling unit and I think it's two different things mam chair yeah and hearing the county attorney's definition I'm not going to argue the point of what the Adu is but I
will tell you my staff conversations I'm a little disappointed this didn't come out and we didn't like try to work because you know I'm trying to work on people that are trying to build a home with another home on there and bring something forward for that so I'll say this it's after we get done with this
conversation maybe in committee reports I want to bring it up that's what I'm trying to accomplish I was given thoughts where this could be modified to make that work um I'm hearing differently now but I I do want to make sure we can work with the people that live here 5 10 acre Parcels that want to
build another home to have a family member there and maybe it's bigger bigger to smaller or smaller to big bigger but I want people to be able to do something with their property instead of just having to sell developers because they can't keep on going where they want to live yeah I I think we recognize what you're talking about our our subdivision regulations and platting
regulations are are somewhat cumbersome and can be difficult um I we are actively I think trying to meet and work on making that process more efficient and quicker um so those scenarios that you're describing won't take
years and I and I agree with you I I'll give you an example um you know you know remember Jose you know Jose the real estate guy um so there there was a home that David Williams built in a subdivision off of pla I can't Williamsburg maybe big giant beautiful
home and um a actually a producer from La bought it so and they wanted to build a little a little two-bedroom Cottage in the back for when they had family visit from California and because that
subdivision and fairly Big Lots in there had already been subdivided so many times they could not add a little guest Cottage and so what they end ended up having to do was build a walkway to the guest Cottage and that it was all the
same house if it's attached I mean it's kind of silly so um so I I do think there's things that we need to fix because they should have been allowed to do that without having to subdivide Plat
whatever that is um so I I'm in agreement with you on some things but I'm not in agreement with you on on your big picture on this one on this particular and I don't want to slow this down because I'm trying to encourage people to add these little apartments
over their garages you're and um and we have a developer in here who doing a lot of rear loaded product and they have a great opportunity to add these and I say if they're you know 750 or below I don't think there should be any impact piece if it's
a one bedroom or or or a uh you just a little cottage I don't think there's any impact well why couldn't we just do the 900 like he was proposing and then if they needed a special well cuz I'm thinking exception then they would get the impact fee I'm thinking of uh the
house that my daughter's renting um right they're moving in in a couple weeks it's a little cottage in Newport Richie and it's it's 800 F feet but it's it's two bedrooms a living room a kitchen a bathroom a little laundry room
that's kind of to me to not charge any impact fees that's kind of pushing it I at some point the school district's going to want a school impact fee and there may be more impact to the neighborhood I don't know what that number is I probably should have asked before this meeting what the right
number is to be where we don't charge any impact impacts impact fees um but David said don't go by bedrooms he said go by feet so thrown out a smaller one than 900 feet a adus currently have a reduced
rate um I know but it's not it's still something so I think we'd have to ask the school district what number they'd be comfortable with in terms of basically a DI minimist threshold where that we shouldn't assess any impact fee maybe know I I was trying to
get to a one-bedroom because a family is not going to move into a one-bedroom so the discussion Planning Commission was they'd be assessed a lower rate which is the multif family rate there is a lower school impact fee for smaller the same rate as an apartment it's still significant but it's still a fee so if
you wanted to exempt them entirely my biggest concern is schools I mean I in theory parks and Library there's already a reduced fee for Mobility but we could reduce that further as part of our update my biggest concern is schools cuz that's not just us that's the school district too I don't want to be our
board to be just saying they're exempt from school impact fees without without conferring with the school district on what what square footage they'd feel comfortable there's basically a DI Minimus impact of the school district and therefore we can exempt them entirely I don't think it's 900 square F feet I'll be honest with you I'm not
even sure if it's 750 but I'd have to talk to Chris Williams about that well we're just we're in discussion today but we can we can between now and the final public hearing we can have that discussion with the school district what's your thoughts on that well you look right first huh
um my thoughts of this as far as I want to give people flexibility if they want to go to 1,200 so be it if you want to if you want to look at well if if you want to look at the numbers over the impact for you so be it but give the people the option I mean you could be in a 3,000 ft home and you want to go over
the top of the garage you may have take part of the other room and go back and it may turn up to 1,200 ft and you may get your son and daughter coming in with their baby they want to live above you for a year or two while they're trying to get their self squared away whatever the case may be maybe family members or grandparents that want to come down for
like 6 months a year and you want to create that but they need livable space to go and my parents separately both live in like 1,200 ft units they're both two bedroom but if they had someone coming down they can accommodate them and not just crush them out of space
either I want to give I want to give the flexibility to me 12200 is too big that's that's another house that's a house you're being taxed on it property appraiser is going to ding it you're going to be paying on it one way or another it's not like it's a
coupon that person going to be paying permitting and you name it is not what county's going to Fe them to death they were going to be taxed on it so it's not like they're getting a hall pass on paying into the coffers you know what what I don't want to see is a
1,200 sorry square foot trailer put another 1,200 foot trailer on their property and call it n you we're back to a different scenario so well in that scenario your scenario can happen well I was talking about 5 acre
lots 10 acre lots we're now talking about adus as the County Attorney described it so it's a different world now could that happen in what he's saying I I I think the we're back to the um finished floor the mobile homes I
think is is out of the conversation at this point so I think we're just talking about two units yeah um uh two two uh 900 square feet gives you you know the two bedroom two bath um full service kitchen two bedroom 900 ft would be the max I
think that's a two not my daughter's running 800 square fet and it's two bedrooms the bathroom a kitchen living room dining room and I know the answer isn't the best answer but there is a mechanism currently to allow you to exceed that if yes it is another process
that it can be timec consuming but there is something to go above that I want to make it easy I want to give people flexibility I understand well 900 is a pretty good size 900 is a pretty good size getting a special yeah what about architectural
details um for well we don't enforce architectural details at least for ukian for mpud we would defer to the mpud if there was was anything there I think the commissioner is asking do you is there anything in the Adu ordinance that would have an
architectural detail some places make a match the architecture vernacular of that of the current house I mean you don't we're going to be changing the MPD conditions to talk about actually we're goinging to do the opp to have different yeah but I think
you may be forgetting we're preempted on that issue oh that's true well remember the state law changed and we well did it preempt an Adu specifically it preempted our ability to regulate architecture on single family dwellings so this is arguably a single family
dwelling now with the MPS they're right they sometimes voluntarily do architectural requirements but that's something the developer proposes voluntarily to get their mut approved but you remember this the state
preemption on this issue yeah i' answer that easy peasy you know be careful what we need to be careful but I think I think I think Patrick hears us I think we're want to move
forward since it's just a reading today yep maybe set some offsite meetings or what have you and see what you come up with in your brainstorm room and then when we bring it back have something you know for final that way for for the sake
of time I think we're all on the same team here and agree we need to move forward and just I don't think this is something I think we should just spend the next hour flushing out here I think sure if we meet priv you know individually and then go from there and do it and um well we do want to take
public comment um and for the record for my planners maybe some architect Andre Stan's cousin bred R Adu in the backyard she lived there for years Madam chair yeah just one quick question on the section F on number two um it says
as far as the P quter stem walls P peers does it matter if it's p or metal um I do not know um I can get clarity on that I relied on the building department for that so I can check with them I know some that do metal Pier so if you could put that flexibility in
that would be good okay got it are you taking public comment now yes okay would anyone like to speak to this come on up Mr engineer good afternoon board Jeremy couch 6624 with stal Loop so I actually
had this conversation with Denise Hernandez probably a year or two ago um one of the things I think you should consider is not requiring it to meet the principal setbacks it kind of wipes out your ability to build about 90% of these
if they have to meet like a 20 foot rear yard and 10-ft side yard if if the intent is to have garage apartments garages can be built within 5T of the property lines and so in theory this small dwelling would be on top of that
so and everywh look we have restrictions did we put restrictions in here on it says it has to meet the principal structure which my neighbor can build a 5,000 ft metal building 5 foot from my property line but can't put an air
conditioner and a sink and a dishwasher in there yeah same with my neighborhood aista so that's a challenge an accessory building but it's an accessory building and it should meet accessory setbacks thank you um I did have a question on
wait does anyone else want to speak to this um I did have a question if you convert your garage um to an accessory dwelling unit it's not at the same elevation as the house is that an issue with
flooding who I'm sorry what was the question if if you're allowing a garage conversion yeah garages are lower um any flooding issues or floor height requirements I would assume when the permit application came in through
Central Permitting they'd be looking at finished floor and habitable space with the building permit application if they needed to change it so if it's an existing house uh and they're not at the um current FEMA BF um do they have to bring the would they have to bring the
new unit up or how does that I we need to comp plate these things yeah yes and that's a um I don't specialize in building permitting but I'm almost positive the answer is that they'll need to provide flood proofing um to to the unit if anyone knows better than I do
feel free to speak up all right so these are just things we got to flush out between now and the next next hearing yeah right and yes with Florida building code um we have the language in there so I I would think that yes if they're trying to turn something that wasn't habitable into something that is
habitable the Florida building code would uh apply and then yes they would have to make sure it's flood proofed okay okay well we don't take any action then right today spirited discussion yes um May I I so yes I I hear there's some
work to be done but maybe some clear Direction on because I I've heard a few things so I just want to make sure that's um the direction I go in now is is the correct direction what direction are you going in well that I'm looking for clarity because there's been a lot of communication and if there's well
well um I know I don't want 1,200 square ft so I I think we had some consensus at 900 no two Oakley speak up over there where where are you the consensus was if we went higher they're going to look at the
impact fees and talk with the school district and see what the opportunities with that work so we could go higher but it may trigger some level of a fee or impact fee but that's to be determined by getting Council from the school district that we were going to explore
that I think at 12 1 12200 is the size of a house and that is a different issue than building a little cottage in your backyard so right yes not that I goad I thought this was about accessory houses
not another house being built on on the same property right and it would be either somehow connected to the main house by a sidewalk or or something to it like if you had an outside garage you'd change it convert that over but it
wouldn't be this huge building and you wouldn't be allowing people come in and build a bigger home than the original home it' been accessory building only so you're not allowing people to if you got a property that's 5 acres and you got a
home on it you don't just bring out the fact that you uh put a larger home on there just because you you think it's an accessory that's not an accessory thank you so that that wouldn't be part of part of this
uh issue right here so the fact of it is is this a smaller building like you're here and you got elderly parents and they want to move near their family and their children so they can be the children can actually have take care of
them and they live in this accessory uh building yeah I thought that was the whole purpose that is the accessory yeah I I I hear what you guys are saying that um but that's a different issue but than accessory dwelling yeah I
hear what they're saying but the fact of it is we're not putting this up so you got one one house for 5 acres to put another home on 5 Acres that'd be two houses for 5 Acres agreed this is not set up to do that and we're not allowing
that so this is only for one house and the fact that if you need an accessory unit either for a child that's gotten injured or whatever needs extra care to maybe want want their own little space that's that's okay or if it's family I
know in the Pasco Trails there's a family out there waiting to get this done so they can build an accessory unit connected to their house that their parents could live in and they help take care of them that's what I thought
about that's three votes hang on okay but we got I got I have a very important appointment I'm going to keep this so commissioner Oakley so again accepting the attorney's definition I'm going to work on the ordinance for the other thing for bigger
things for bigger properties but as far as this goes as far as like whether it be 900 or 1,200 if you got a family that's say let's say they get a 3500 sare foot home on 5 Acres up in trillby wherever it may be and the parents want
to come down but they need room and 900 is not going to be enough you're going to tell me that you don't want to Lum out another $300 Fe if they wanted to go do it and willing to pay the fees well I think that's something we' have to discuss the time yeah that's to
be a special occas go and yeah I'm just trying to make it easy for them but again my whole perception of what this was going to be a talking the staff is different from what the intent of an a normal ad is I get that I'm
inform someone wants to get a bring an accessory dwell unit they are a big piece of property and they want to go to a larger unit why keep them from if they get the room I'm going to show you something you can take a walking tour and
long um okay we're going to keep moving okay got three thank you for your time got some direct Patrick before before you leave um yes normally you announce when the second hearing is going to be before you conclude okay uh yes uh March
25th I believe you the memo says March 20 25th no don't do it that day because I won't be here new Jack would be appr move approval March 25th be in yeah
okay can't do that has it been advertised uh I think so but we'll have to okay we'll make it work okay all right thank you good job Patrick good job was a lot b35 I think oh 37 I got to get back to my
other 37 we have appr we have approve publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 12th 19th 26th and March 5th 2025 editions of the 10 thank you madam chair nario pitos
Planning Development economic growth item p37 is PD 250 1 one1 this is an ordinance amending Pasco County ordinance number 23-8 Contracting and expanding the boundaries of harvest Hills Community Development District pursuant to chapter
190 Florida Statutes providing for miscellaneous Provisions providing for an effective date this comes here with the recommendation to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote okay um board members do you want to see uh a uh presentation on this
okay is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak to this okay I'll take a motion is anyone online for this one no we have no one online for anything okay I want one move approval second all in favor oh is this roll call
sorry Roll Call district one commissioner o District Two commissioner W hi District three uh four commissioner Jagger hi District Five commissioner Marion hi District three chairman St I P38
approve we approv publication again the February 12th 19th 26th and March 5th 2025 editions of the Tampa item P38 is PD 25126 this is an ordinance establishing
the Harvest Hills South Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 Florida Statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the Board of Supervisors of the district providing for the District budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous Provisions providing for
an effective date this comes you with a recommendation to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote okay board members do you need a presentation on P38 is there anyone here who wishes to address P38 and we have no one online I'll take
a motion approval second all in favor a roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley hi District Two commissioner W hi District Four commissioner joer hi District Five commissioner Marano I District three chairman starky I okay
we're now at uh the public hearings do we need to uh would you like me to read procedures I would thank you there are two resoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application of board County Commissioners if staff or Planning
Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition to the application the application will be will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the
application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission
recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request that the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resoning applications on the consent
agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are Quasi judicial public hearings the law enfor is that mere public support or opposition of an application is
insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development code for resoning Mr clerk would you like to swear the public in yes sir at this time anyone wishing to give it a testimony or speak to any
of the rezoning items that are fixing to come up please stand again if you expect or anticipate that you may u give information in any of the resoning manners please stand at this time please raise your right hand do you swear or
firm that you any testimony you will give is the truth so have you got thank you please be seated when you come forward to the podium uh as was mentioned please give your name and address for the record and acknowledge the fact that you were sworn thank
you okay P39 P39 we have proof publication uh in the October 23 2024 ition of the Tampa Bay Time supplemented by certified mailings and site postings for the meeting of January 14th
2025 at which time it was continued to February 11th where it was continued to today and it is proposed by agenda to be contined great um so do we just continue
it I can't yes uh P39 is PD 257 651 this is the zoning Amendment for tall timbers mpud by Extreme Team 41 LLC which is a resoning application to change from AC agricultural District to CC connected city mpud which is in Connected City in
the community Hub area the request is to continue this application to the May 6 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m in date City okay and this was advertised as a continu so we don't need to take public comment we do not okay P40 no you need to take
motion though to continue second y second all in favor I I P40 again uh we have approved the publication of this matter in the October 27th 20204 edition of the Tampa Bay times for the meeting
of November 12th 2024 where it was continued to February 11th of 2025 and there it was contined to today all right this is advertised as a continuance let him read the title in uh
item P40 is PD 27738 this is a zoning amendment in the name of Evans county line 80 mpud master plan master plan unit development by Evans Properties Incorporated which is a resoning to change from AC agricultural District to
mpud uh this it comes through with the request to continue the application to the May 6 2025 board accounting Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m in Dade City okay thank thank you continue uh I
need a second second all all in favor I p41 e41 we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 19th 2025 edition of the T May Time supplemented by an Affidavit of certified mailings and site
post item p41 is pde 25007 this is a comprehensive plan Amendment the name of CPA 24 O2 HCA ban at Point PD which is an application to transmit a comprehensive plan Amendment to the uh an amendment to the Future lus
Maps 2-5 and sheto 3 changing from Ro retail office residential and res 6 residential six dwelling UNS per grow acre to PD plan development on 62.9 Acres of real property located on the east and west side of 5A Road at the southeast corner of the intersection of
5A Road and Hudson Avenue uh and a text Amendment creating sub area policy flu 7 1.83 HCA BPD and a map Amendment to the Future land use map 2-9 adding Subara map 2- 983 HCA ban at Point PD this comes to
you with recommendation to authorize transmittal of the proposed amendment to the Department of Commerce also known as Florida Commerce and other reviewing agencies and there is a presentation of so desired um board members do you want a presentation I met with the applic okay
um this is the one I want to talk about parking I know this just comp but um yeah they don't have enough parking and so we um need to be working with them to figure out a solution it's probably going to have to
be structured parking but there's no place to park when you go up there to a doctor's office you want to pull that discuss and go through because this is a place to discuss it I don't think no this is your comprehensive plan Amendment so you deal with during the
during the zoning yeah okay um I clarify we're leaving it on consent uh let me see if anyone wants to speak about this issue anyone in opposition to this item we have no one online so we'll leave it on consent okay
p42 p42 we have approv publication champ May times February 5th 2025 supplemented by an Affidavit of certified mailings and S posts item p42 is PD 27846 this is a zoning amendment in the
name of Andrea and Josephine manino it's a change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to a R4 high density residential district in central Pasco County on the south side of Tindle Road approximately 900 ft east of curly Road containing approximately 10
acres this comes you with a recommendation to adopt the zoning Amendment and authorize the chairman to execute the resolution also there was an expar that was submitted this morning that has been passed to the uh clerk's office and there's a presentation if so desired board members would you like to
see a presentation okay um is there anyone who would like to speak against this uh p43 okay see no one consent p42 oh p42 okay p43 P4 3 uh
approv of publication February 5th 2025 Edition 10 May Time supplemented by an after of certify mailing and post item p43 is pde 27852 this is a zoning amendment in the
name of Ben R Turner trust Ben R Turner trustees Pasadena Trail change in zoning from a AC agricultural District to an ar5 agricultural residential district in East Central Pasco County at the southwest corner cor of the intersection of Clinton Avenue in migs Lane
containing approximately 37.5 Acres this comes you with the recommendation to adopt the zoning Amendment and authorize the chairman to execute the resolution and there's a presentation of so desired for the record I think we just
need to note that there's typo in the in the uh heading that should probably be a scrier considered the scribers there and been Turner trustee um it's a shorthand is what I understand that's what the name of the
application but we can fix it if you like okay is there does anyone wish a presentation on this one all right and um is there anyone here to speak against this
p43 okay we will leave it on consent and that's the end of our consent agenda move approval the consent agenda second all in favor I okay um now we are on to p44
p44 um proof of publication Tampa Bay Times February 19 2025 Again supplemented by a certifi certificate Affidavit of certified mailing site good afternoon William for Millian planning Economic Development this is
item pd25 7793 zoning amendment in the name of R Ranch a rezoning request from AC agricultural to mutd master plan unit development this project is located within three villages within the
villages passing into Hills Village g j and k this one the star indicates a rough location showing the entire extent of this master plan it covers 441 acres here is that rezoning request on
414 acres for 614 dwelling units it extends from the south side of kefir road to the north side of overpass Road here is that location map here is the comprised Villages master plan of all three
villages if you were looking at the screen you can see that the subject site is outlined in a light blue color most of the village is comprise of neighborhood General it has some neighborhood Edge along the wetlands in Village K as well as some core residential As you move down into
Village J which is indicated by the dark brown the neighborhood Edge areas will be comprised of aate residential lots bordering the core Reserve Wetland there in Village K with a minimum 75 ft in total lot width single family detached
makes up the lighter shade Brown of the neighborhood General as well as town homes in the core residential there along um village J across from handcart Road there's one variation request with
this MPD from 91611 from Street design and dedication requirements to not provide an interconnect to the to the West due to those core Reserve Wetlands they'll never be developed you can see it's shaded there
in green the applicant is just proposing not to to make a St out into the wetlands what um what can you go back to that map which ones are you talking about sure because you're showing two it's actually I'll show you real quickly
I when I bring up the master plan I think it'll make it a little bit more clear but this imp imput spans the portions of three villages it straddles the line in between all three so it's a portion of Village k a portion of Village G and a portion of Village J type three type two and type one
Villages respectively so this is what I was this was what I was speaking to this is a little more zoomed in you can see the the boundary of The Villages there and those purple dotted lines so the the
yellow portions there which is the the lightest areas of residential where the estate lots are going to go is the lowest density next to the Wetland and that's where the applicant is proposing not to have an interconnect because it would just be into the core Reserve that dark brown area is where the the town
homes will be slated and then single family detached in the brown area that hatched marking to the north leaves a provision for up to 20,000 ft of commercial if the applicant chooses so in market conditions in Phase 2 which is
allowable under the vop comprehensive plan per Village uh there's 20,000 Square ft outside of Village Center set aside for neighborhood commercial use on the right side of this master plan you can see the internal layout of the street Network which is inclusive of
trails and paths that follow along the vop typical roadway sections the 50 AA and the 70aa typicals respectively as well as some trails that Meander outside of those roadway typicals connecting the different product types together through
the open space are you saying there are there are Trails there that are not just along the road yes ma'am so what design what design criteria are they trying to get away from besides the interconnected where
there's Wetlands that that's the only variation from the code this application seeking Madam chair yeah would you go back to the previous slide and by the way I think if you're going to do these slides you have markings on the the markers got to be a little bit clearer
and absolutely I didn't make these Maps I defer to uh Mr Clark Hobby and his team for making the maps like a little shed a little bit of the blame there all right the previous slide there okay this one here yeah
so as I look up the yeah I to point that there's a there's a thin thin wetland in the midst of the whole thing um what's where are you looking under Village G is that Village G well it's I
can't follow your map the other map show okay so go go go back to the other map though please so so if you go just go bring that Arrow straight across straight across straight across right there when you go from that point there should be a
connection there cuz it's a thin thin wedland over there why wouldn't that connect or is it the the roadway or the Wetland yeah you're saying you don't want to go through a wetland to connect no so their their connection is they're proposing to not connect over here to this area they are building this roadway
segment North which is a vision Road South to overpass as well as building this Vision Road here okay cuz they don't want to go the wet yeah they're just not and what I'm saying is go up a little bit higher right across there's a thin little stretch of Separation no go down right there go
right AC straight across right here right in this between there and Road between there and there there should be at least a stop out to get get through and let that person connect from there there it's a small little window this yellow space here no the there's two yellow space and the thin thin Little
Green Space oh right here right there there should be an interconnection that will eventually connect to there that's I could understand the part yeah otherwise you have drive all the way around I can let the applicant speak to that I don't want to make a a decision for them but I I can I can draw
real pretty Bridge with character this comes with a recommendation from Planning Development economic growth as well as the village passing Hills planning and policy committee I'm available for any questions but I I do have a question for you we don't have a b a concept A A
bonding or somewhat binding concept plan on this so we're we don't know what we're going to get David Engel planning and economic development director we are aggressively working on bring bringing forth a policy memorandum proposal of the board dealing
with mpud binding component plans we had a lot of confusion with the tbba and some of our stakeholders because there's a contradiction between binding and concept so what we've done is we've realign the process to the existing Land Development code requiring requiring
interpretive analysis for each of the provisions in the code to bind the intent and the context of the board approval so this plan um it has cross section typical cross-sections and design details of the roads of the walkways and also the typical lot layout
and it allows the applicant to have Market flexibility to change the mix within the loom but not exceed or or provide a minimum uh the minimum has to be provided as well as not to exceed it's a minimum and maximum to the type
of flexibility that we're allowing so um we're meeting with the tbba next week but this is consistent with our draft proposal that we bring to the board it is yes ma'am thank you real quick for the record I did provide the updated Loom as well as the
applicant's advertisement to the clerk's office before this what does it say balloon is that something that we need to know about it it made I need to know what that I don't have it so it it made the
the LOM more strict did establish those minimums and maximums that David just spoke about instead of being able to convert at whatever trip rate there is minimums and maximums of what they can and can't convert you know we we're asking these questions just for the Public's
edification because we've chipped away and chipped away at the really cool plan that we had and I I think we want to protect the integrity and the quality of what these Villages are supposed to be and um you know we're still waiting on
our big picture discussion of what we've done um but I know it's changed considerably when it first started uh but so we we have concerns uh Madam chair Commissioners Clark hobby hobby
and hobby PA 109 North North breast Street Tampa Florida have been swor and sworn at by my wife uh I just uh you asked about the loom in this case uh commissioner the mpud is very specific about where the uses can go the tow
houses can only go in the core area in the one Village that was identified near hand cart and uh the loom the only reason we even have one in this case is when we started off we weren't exactly sure where the products were going to be
limited except by The Villages and so we studied an unusually large amount of single family detached and the only conversion that can occur is from single family detached to the tow houses that
we need in that one Village core area or to the U retail or office that could occur up on keeper that staff pointed out to you in the very small area up there that's the only conversion that can occur there and we put mins and
Maxes for the tow houses and the single family uh per year instructions but it does not change where the uses can go in any way they're limited by both the master plan and the vop rules um can you
going back to that road network is that um can I see that again I'm going to ask Christy Barrera to come up and help on the plan aspects since she spent a a bunch of time working I like see lots of of culde saacs and things and I thought
we were building walkable communities in doop Christy Barrera with height design 5904 Hampton Oaks Parkway Tampa Florida I have been sworn and we have done a lot of work on this project Taylor Morrison is the applicant they have been uh very
helpful in getting us through this process so as you can see on the left hand side there are quite a few Wetlands on the property and they're not large round Wetlands they are strands of wetlands that go all the way through the
site so rather than Crossing those Wetlands with streets we have in key locations crossed those Wetlands with multi-purpose Trails so the residents can get from one area to the other by
you know foot uh bike or golf cart not necessarily by vehicle but we think that's a good compromise to make this a walkable community so where's the where's the area that commissioner Mariana was pointing out on
this so that is um in the northern portion of the site let's see if you go to the previous map you see it better I know you can't see it on this one so the and confus Clark didn't make the maps I made the maps but we made them to uh be
a they're kind of yeah so if you zoom in on your screen you can see it much better the map previously showed all of Village K all of Village J and allive Village G so yes commissioner Mar I know you're correct there is a smaller a narrow portion of
the category one Wetland that could be crossed but that Upland portion is not on our site the portion of the Upland that is within our property boundary is very narrow it's currently planned for storm water ponds and flood plane ponds
so it's a very narrow area that we feel would be better for ponds than for a road and it's not planned to be developed with residential units in that particular location Madam chair yeah see the problem is when you're into connecting and you're trying to fit things in it may not be good for your
plan to be there but the interconnection for otherwise people got to drive all the way around to get places if you can take it that connection point right there that's a benefit for everybody who's trying to get to that Village K over there without having to go all the way around because it's surrounded by
Wetland anyway commissioner Mariano uh we can we can talk about it and I understand what you're saying I would point out for the the commission's benefit some of the the East Pasco Commissioners are very aware of this this was all part of the historic Kirkland Ranch and they are trying to
preserve all of the property you're talking about connecting to it's been uh uh proposed for the last year and a half to be completely conserved and preserved pursuant to a state Grant would have any development on it so we could hypothetically on our piece of property
right in there we could build some kind of stub but it would be cutting off in the middle of our ponds and stubbing to another area where there's a category one Wetland that this no isn't working okay right and there they would if this
ever gets developed over here and again they're trying to preserve it all now they would have to build another category one Wetland Crossing just to get to where our stub would be it just we didn't think it was very practical or meaningful where is the school if that's
Kirkland brch up purple up in the purple area up here right there that's where the high school is M so all that land is Kirkland Ranch yes and so that's what they've been trying to conserve and uh state representative magard you know
asked that there be in a legislative appropriation last year and I think the Governor shot it down I think it actually made it through the house and the Senate and was shot down but they're still working on another conservation policy there again this isn't the end of the world for us but also just think that isn't a super meaningful connection
I don't think it'll ever amount to anything so those two roads are what roads are those that are going through there the the road that runs up through that area is called North South Avenue B it's one of the vision roads that comes up through our site all the way down
here from overpass runs all the way up here and then there's not that one the one going through Kirkland Ranch oh this that one this has three or four different names but I believe this ends up being um it's called New River and then it turns in
watergrass Parkway Magnolia Island Parkway but that's that'll go away obviously if there's no development I don't know who would be building it um that's the one that when rayad was at the school board commissioner that he was trying to make go away for a long
time um because it went right next it just clogs up the other roads if we don't have right yeah but we again we're not making any decision about that I just I want to make sure you all knew the connection you're talking about I don't think is ever really going to amount to a hill of beans
so what's the blue line the blue line which is much clearer when you zoom in is the actual property boundary line so it's it's a very Jagged piece of property it goes from kefir on the North
overpass on the south hand cart on the East and that very large category one Wetland on the west well um you know we have no guarantee that K and ranch is going to be taken off and so I think I'm kind of
thinking I kind of want to preserve that connection ability but but what are your thoughts and then if it does become that it's just a pedestrian access into into The Preserve speak up it's just a just throw
out there I don't know how much is going to be happening with Kirkland Ranch unless it's get get funded for a preserve or something from the state but they turned it down last year so they turn it down twice yeah so it's going to be hard to get that funded for that so
then it'll be developed and then and then all then there's no interconnectivity which is a problem that's when our roads don't function and and just to bring up the point in the vop vision roads there was no vision road interconnectivity across that very
large category one Wetland so there were multiple north south roads but very purposefully that East West Road was stopped east of the category 1 Wetland because they did not want to cross that environmental area well I can
see that going north south but east west just accessing all that yellow to the West is something that we should think about you're talking about the East West correct so East West Street
B which butt the top one okay so this street here ends at North South Avenue B does not continue West right so that was very purposeful when vop Master roadway plan was created it does continue farther east and goes
up to what we're now calling Jen heral Parkway um and goes up to the district Park but the thought was it would be better not to cross that category one Wetland that chair I if I get a piece of prod to the legislature twice shut down
twice I mean I don't know how I can consider that not getting developed that's I mean you've got a village in there you got a road going through there and if we don't put that connection in it's and it's this narrowest connection of them all you you miss a great
opportunity otherwise everyone's going to drive all the way up and around to get to that point circling back down agreed so commissioner I I I spoke with our client we can build it but I I just want to be clear to the board what's happening here you're talking about us
stubbing something between where we're supposed to be building Retention Ponds you chose to put it there I well that's we have to have the retention somewhere that's where the lowest part of the land is but if we put it in there it's literally going to be like a 100 foot stub and the only way they'll be using
it because they don't have enough buildable property east of the category Wetland is if they have an impact to the category Wetland to cross it it's it just I in our business I think it's highly unlikely that anybody's going to ever do that for that amount of
buildable property but if that's what the board you know is insisted upon we can do that it's just I mean it's a use it's going to require us underutilizing the area that we would normally use for flood plane compensation and ponds for
an interconnection that I don't think will ever be meaningful but if that's what the board's pleasure is I suppose we'll have to do it I yes I mean believe we're struggling putting all these little pieces of the puzzles comeing together but literally you've
got a village k type three if it's coming in that way and it does come in again we're back to the same thing of you lack of connectivity if the stub's there when the guy comes in if he does all the building we can say okay we're going to have you connect right to the property over there we can make that
part of the situation there I understand what what will happen though is we'll come back in 20 years and we'll have 125 foot stub into nowhere but I understand what the board wants so if that's what the board wants that's what we'll do is the board asking for a construction of
that St or just the right of way so that somebody could later build I think it should go to the property line what he's asking is is it sufficient if we've provide the rideway or an easement which we would rather do than having to permit the construction
of a road there's no reason to build a road until they develop until the dev we would much rather do that would make it a lot easier on us because again and and then VP would be funding the road anyway no not on that's not a road that's identified on the master roadway
plan neighborh but if Village K is developed you can require them to build yeah the other person could build it if we give the right away okay well we'll we'll do that Commissioners I think that's a good compromise that was the theory okay to
get there okay we're happy to answer any other questions you all might have yeah um commissioner waitman and I I I have more comment on that okay well you want to finish your mind well I just want to say um if it does become a preserve I think
that could be an entrance so I want to say if it does become a preserve we need a pedestrian access Into The Preserve um we did that at starky Ranch we have you know a bunch of entrances into
the park and if that's a park then that would let that'd be great for this community but there should be access into into the park from there commissioner why don't we do this we'll we'll say that the right away that we're going to provide for the County's benefit and there will be 50 ft wide and
that will match your crosssection that would allow for pedestrian and uh Road connections for vehicles yeah is second good okay all right U this is a public hearing is there anyone question oh sure go
ahead the the loom in the loom the the 20,000 ft of commercial right then that's in potentially that they could Loom the project could loom out right um what do you think the probability is of that kind of hard to
tell it it it's hard to tell you would think over the Long Haul where the only place this can occur and it's we don't have the map up now we're confusing the heck out of the people running the Elmo and everything but it it it's up at where North South Avenue B will meet
kefir and so that's a collector and a collector Road over time I don't think there's going to be any demand for that site to be retail I would think in the next 5 years or so but it could be and we don't know when it will even develop
for residential and the rules and vop allow you to have in certain Villages up to three village centers up to 20,000 square fet and so we just put that in there as an option in case you know the the demand is ever warranted and the
property hasn't been developed but it's a very small piece Christy you remember how big it is I know it is I'm hopeful that it doesn't loom out is what I'm saying so all right that's all okay thank you thank
you okay is there anyone else is there anyone who wishes to speak to this item okay to the board move approval with the noted condition to make the interconnection right away at 50 ft and that one section
discussed second okay all in favor I I post none all right you got it Madam chair just for the record on p 40 oh you said there there no U we just want to record that the officer who a
revised Village master plan and next part from you okay as to this item which is from the or distributed okay um p44 no 45 p45
we january2 good afternoon William for Millian Planning Development economic growth this is a zoning Amendment pte 27834 Harvest Hills West vop MPD in the name of Galvin Land Services a resoning request from AC agricultural to MD
master plan unit development District this proposal is to allow for the maximum development of 279 dwelling units on approximately 100 acres at the intersection of Prospect and W Road this project is also within the Villages of Pas Hills located within
Village f a rough location here indicated by the star here's an aerial view showing the uh the current alignment of Prospect Road and the roundabout there at Boulevard and
curly this is the master plan for the village showing neighborhood general for this area as well as the village FM plan which is majority neighborhood Edge little bit lower density on the southern portion of the site bifurcated by
Prospect Road this is the master plan for this mpud showing the new alignment of Prospect Road that will be built by this imp pey connecting Into the Now what will be the double roundabout at marada and
curly showing those different densities of course more dense to the north less density to the South however as we'll see here the applicants not proposing to develop the southern portion so it will be uh kept as
wetlands and conservation and the majority of that density will be used on the Northern portion these are rear loaded town homes with possible ad use yes ma'am and they are limited at 900 square F feet
per the conditions of approval perfect just to just to throw a wrench in there is that a double is that a double roundabout it is it's a figure8 roundabout wow don't ask me about that one but Ted to do Ted was kind enough to
design that for us and says it's safe enough so we're excited about it sa safe enough right there's the caveat no there is one variation request from this uh MPD from 91611 Street design and dedication requirements they're not
proposing an interconnect directly to the North or directly to the South however the northern interconnect is taken care of with this new alignment of Prospect Road the the citizens that live in this development will be able to go north on curly through that roundabout and
instead of connecting to there's an existing dirt road along the northern boundary called Leonard which is not in the master roadway plan and instead of impacting those residents that use it to privately access some single family residential the the residents will be accessing curly via the new alignment
and no interconnect to the to the South because the applicant doesn't intend to develop the South per this plan they wouldn't be able to unless they come in for a modification so no Southern access is required here however in the future residents would be able to access health
both on curly and on W wart road which is a vision Road there on the eastern boundary Madam chair yeah so I'm going to say I just came from development over off Colony Road look at the connection and there's a development to
the side of it almost almost like this here and what we did was we put a straight road going through to the other development keep mind the development drops down to the backyard about Fair Winds uh or what's that what's that called it's a different name bright
bright Brighton maybe it's on the uh uh Eastern side and it's a little dip in in the road behind the lots that are there that eventually is designed to though to make a cut there now W road if
anybody's been down there the connection point to that is going to be a long time coming the connection road to this one here could be a long time coming but if I can get a north south connection this and skipping a double rotary and eventually when that thing goes out 50 years later so be it I mean I think you
should put a te there put a fence there but at least have that access we can get out there when it you know it could might be 50 years down the road but not talking about to the north to the north yes well it does look like there there is a te in the
neighborhood that could maybe eventually one day go through so you're talking about the existing lard Road intersection with the current alignment of prospect if I'm if I'm hearing you correctly to the left side of the picture we have the there's two green areas in it two big big rectangles to
the one to the left side of the screen going straight up as a road there yes sir that that T intersection will be left there and leard will be untouched but there's no T there it's yellow there this is a a current T intersection it's tough to see with this aerial but Leonard Road does travel along here to
this T intersection where you can go up north to uh current curly and then accesses these these homes down here it'll it'll just be left untouched in its current condition just because it's not on the master roadway plan for the Villages of Passa Hills all right but
just don't listen I think get my point the road that's above above it there's no te connecting to there at least that I can see talk about Leonard Leonard I guess there's no north south connection
potential for Leonard down the road I'm I'm not sure I understand the question fully the north south Road it's it's it's a simple road I don't get it the there's no Road Connection in the new development to going up north
south I think he's talking going have a different question it has to do be with a multiuse are you I'm on my iPad here to connect to Leonard internal internal internal so he
wants you to connect to Leonard I think that's what he's is that cut are you talking are you talking cutting into thisa is w a dirt road portions it's constructed in some
Southern segments and then this area it is a dirt road I we've we've had folks from work in here Village Green was uh was one of those my favor yes ma'am my favorite so right here not on this project on on another
project so right here yeah yeah there's no connection going that way and I'm saying it may be 50 years before it ever connects but eventually it should have a connection potential to open up there the development I just saw in Hudson we just had approved it goes into edge of a
neighborhood kind of like this here that may may may never connect but they teed it out of the end put markers at the end they didn't put the fence there which we should put the fence there but you see you see where that there could be a connection go to your left right see
that there that could continue on one day why not just have it straight well that's a major road there that's curly that's a really wide Road cutting through the neighborhood yeah you can't have that
put up up the I mean they've realigned curly con I think it could connect but not with the Maj it gets more complicated because of the realignment of Prospect and curly so Williams going to put up the other graphic that shows
you the change in condition but I but I I I I see what you're saying I just I but the hierarchy of Roads is wrong for that to happen right there okay maybe this is a little more helpful this
is our RightWay um exhibit where the the existing and yellow is being uh moved now into the future the yellow is current Prospect correct Joel identify yourself I'm sorry Jo Joel 2 4700 rid viw Road Palm Harbor
Florida I have been sworn for the applicant just for clarification the the yellow highlighted part is current existing Prospect Road where it curves and goes north just to give you a little better of the existing condition from
what and the master roadway plan has always contemplated this change it's always contemplated reconnecting Prospect to curly at marada so we're we're simply implementing what the master roadway PL
complicated uh contemplated I get your point the question is in the after condition and that's all I'm suggesting is look at this in the after condition I think the concern is those folks along W
Road they do not want to be integrated and connected to the new project they they like their separate lifestyle and it's not just one or two they're all along there so again I think if you're going to require a connection from our
project up to work uh I suggest that we be cautious I I I think you should connect have a future up to Leonard and then one day that gets add I meant to Leonard but see those people they live on Leonard and they access don't connect
it now just say keep the ability to connect it they come in so the question is for Mike and Seth is do we have since we're okay we're not developing anything south of prospect to be able to rebuild the road provide the flood plane the
drainage we also have to provide for all that right away for curly so since we're pushing all the density North and doing all rear loaded product my question for the developer is do they have a spot along the rear loaded that they could
provide the same type of RightWay if you will the same solution you had on the prior matter but without constructing because we do not want to be the ones to construct a connection to those people on Work Work Road for I'm just looking
for let me ask if do they let me ask if they lose Bill if they lose a building or a unit in doing that that's the question well I don't see why you would and Jack and I may talking about two different things but the intent is the same back if you put up concept the
concept plan go back to the binding plan and you look you look to the the um left left most units right that ends well it would be between and you tell you tell me what is what is
the the nor your Western most North South Drive yes that one one day could if that property north of you you see where she's became available could you not extend your development into there
and yeah right no right on that right there it it it could one day day maybe continue on into that land there yeah we can provide I think the answer is yes yes and they would they would alignment they would align it wherever our Western most
North South Drive goes if you're okay with us picking that spot wherever that falls and just doing the RightWay provision that would be fine right at least as long as it's not connected now because that'll cause a
lot of blow blowback they're on a little Island right there which is dumb um I do have a question on multi-use Trails when I look at the map on marada they're just you I don't understand their plan I'm still working
on that but it looks like there's a multiuse path around the traffic circle but then it goes into a sidewalk and um and so would who's building that
who's building the new alignment we are you're following the the prescribed design that has a multiuse path on one side this right this this realignment actually was already approved in the funding and development
agreement which you approved U this MPD was pending at the time but we contemplated this so yes Galvin is actually building this whole new road segment exchanging right away and all of that's already covered by the development agreement that that you approved just a few months ago uh to
exchange right away and we build it and the design any questions you have about the double roundabout the design you need to discuss with the County engineer because we're doing what the County engineer has uh directed on in that
regard yeah okay question from commissioner Madam chairman if I don't want to cut the commissioner off but but they've started sort of started a presentation I don't know if they have a presentation that they want to do or they just want to answer questions we
just want to answer their questions okay thank you good enough okay so questions about the road probably less to to you guys but to our our our County so this is a main path to the Northeast transfer
station you have welome floor trucks coming and transferring trash and trucks getting to and from Northeast transfer station where's that uh off hand cart and Prospect is heavily traveled so this double
roundabout which forgive my ignorance I'm not even sure how the heck you even drive this thing based on this picture is this efficient enough to handle just that level of commercial traffic to to get to and from I mean you're talking tractor trailers they got to figure out
how to get 252 from there unless you know I don't know know the timing of the of the hand card extension to the new 52 but you're talking County Logistics and and essential Services keep going depending on the
timing of what these two roadways when they're built and then the in the path that they're going to go I guess that's more commissioner if I may uh I think we will have handcart built before this I think exension to 52 correct we're also
obligated I think we will have the new handc cart North to um Clinton constructed prior to this so you could come straight out of that transfer station at Tindle and hcard and go straight construction it's already under construction and and will be
completed all the way to Clinton okay all right good that answer that right okay thank you so again just to kind of close the loop this whole infrastructure including this segment was part of that $80 million commitment that Galvin has
already made under that Master development agreement and this is essentially an infield project and how we got where we are is the Benedictine sisters would were not inclined to just sell the right away to the county they wanted to sell the entire parcel and the
way Galvin solved that for the county was Galvin stepped up and bought the entire parcel and then decided they would make do as best they could with providing the RightWay and then just developing the part they could develop so you know for
only not very many units it's a huge financial undertaking to solve this road problem so that that's how we got there on this particular project and as we said all of those units are 100% rear loaded uh which of course is above and
beyond meeting design desires and this will be one thing about this is assuming you can negotiate the double roundabout I can't figure it out I have I've been around one in Scotland and I think maybe one in Ireland um but the the beauty of this if you think about it is this entry
coming in off Curly marada it's going to be really a dramatic entry in because this is the the northwest corner of vop and so you're going to have all of this green space to the South when you come around and make that entry and then the only thing you're going to have to the left are these rear loaded products that
all have front of house you know without driveway and without garages so it's going to be visually it should be a very attractive window into vop with a lot of green space on the south and rear loaded products so you're not looking at
driveways and garage doors the minute you come into vop so I think it's a good solution for that property 74% of this property will be open space almost 3/4 of it so it it's it's a
substantial uh deal so if there are any other questions on this one we're happy to answer them uh the next one's also an infill project that relates to the ability to build hand cart but we can talk about that in a moment um okay this is a a public
hearing is there anyone else who wishes to speak to this item all right well I just and just hoping this developer would buy more and more land so I'm glad to see him coming in because I think he's doing what we
envisioned that this neighborhood would be so um okay and no one's online no more public comment all right let's I'll take a motion so move second all in favor I Ed
your right away okay P you need to add your right away condition um I tell you what I'm I'm going to be comfortable with you guys figuring it out to let it go cuz because as commission say something's going to come up there or you guys can figure out where you want to put it and make it work I mean
yeah okay I've lost my next page um we're on p46 before we get there again the record that we received
sta 45 and 46wh around here's 46 I'll do it as it relates to p46 we have proof publication the Day times January I'm sorry we approved the
publication Tampa B times January 1st 2025 supplemented by appid certified mailings and site postings the item was continued from the February 11th 20125 meeting to today good afternoon William rilan
Planning Development economic growth PD 27842 zoning Amendment colog Bop G Land Services restart okay William rilion Planning Development economic growth pde 27842 is zoning
amendment in the name of cologne vopm PD Galvin Land Services this request is from AC agricultural to MPD master plan unit development The Proposal is to allow for the maximum development of 117 single family dwelling units on roughly 60 Acres this
is out the southwest corner of William Cemetery Road bason Lane here's the location map within the Villages of Pasadena Hills in village C right on the uh southern boundary of
William Cemetery Road which connects to sr52 Clinton here is the location map showing the current Homestead on the property William Cemetery Road and you can see a little sliver of macabe Road
there here's the village sea master plan highlighting that this is a portion of the neighborhood Edge the lowest density of vop this is the master plan again showing the village Edge two dwelling units an acre the master plan also shows that out of these
117 units of them will be used for estate Lots on a minimum half acre you see those in that upper left hand corner where the existing Homestead is the current property owner wants to to keep that piece for him and his family they'll be accessing William Cemetery Road the
other 111 units will be 50 ft or greater here is the binding and pewd plan showing the layout proposed by the applicant that North access to William Cemetery Road in the conditions of
approval at first that will be an emergency access until which time Williams Cemetery Road is updated to County standards which would be by the neighboring Mudd and once that happens this access
would turn into a full access so the the citizens wouldn't have to go south to connect up they would just use updated William Cemetery Road to connect to macab but for the time being the estate Lots will continue to use that that dirt
road that is substandard currently one variation from 91611 this is to not provide the interconnect all the way to the South there is a large Wetland there however the citizens will be able to get South
with that Western connection it will go through uh the existing Harvest Commons impy to handcart Road where you can then go north and south this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from Planning Development economic growth as
well as the Villages of passing Hills planning policy committee I'm here if you have any questions I have no questions ises anybody else Ms this a public hearing uh does anyone wish to speak to this okay seeing no one I'll take a
motion Mo approval all in favor I okay thank you thank you yep all right uh we are to commissioner items and board
reports does anyone know where this picture is from AI a where AI oh did you say the same Thee I was in something like that in Brazil where where the um near the Amazon where
the bamboo was growing like that it's crazy and it makes quite the sound when the wind's blowing knocking okay um I'm going to start with commissioner Oakley um
I actually have something to bring the board is um go to wait and I'll bring it back it's not in my paperwork all right se you go and then we'll come back open um
we'll start we'll start with some good stuff here so um going to give a shout out to John Tillman and his company certified Services I've talked about them um every year during the Great American cleanup and keep Pasco
beautiful they cleaned up about 1,700 lbs of trash up and down Old Pasco Road along 50 along wesle Chapel Boulevard and uh cleaned up a homeless camp and so wow they're always up to to doing good
in the qu Hollow area and uh very proud of John and and his team for taking time out their work day and and cleaning up and our our County so thank you to John and certified Services they are
there next and Genie Jermaine's here and Jean come on up so we are uh a board one of our board appointment updates on the human human trafficking um had a nice discussion our last meeting and we're top working on uh our campaign coming
into the campaign for this year you we're looking at using the $10,000 allocated to the human trafficking board to embark on a uh sexting and sex trafficking or sextortion campaign
through the social media that's done and um so we're talking with uh tax collector's office Mike vano and Tim kit their office is fully 100% uh trained through the Attorney General's office and in human trafficking and we'll be
working with them uh and putting different pieces of information into their business tax receipt Flyers that they send out to all the businesses every year in the county and taking advantage of all the mailings that they do so I want to thank thank them uh for their partnership and future help with
that and then in the same week we went and uh over Generations church and Trinity um celebrated the groundbreaking on bridging Freedom which I'll let Jeanie as the representative here from rotary uh tell the the story there but
it's all started with rotary and trying to capture funds to expand uh a housing campus uh for abused and traffic is one Dr gills donated traffic traffic girls but anyway so I'll let m Germaine's hit
the start the story the show and tell the story and all the rotary clubs out were involved it's just a beautiful beautiful Community effort here yeah so we're going to go back um 2020 when I was District Governor of District 6950 which is four counties
it's uh Citrus County Hernando Pasco and pelis and I had my conference down in Naples of course it was coming out of Co and everybody wanted to get together so we went to Naples and um Alan wilcat came as my speaker and he said are you really sure you want to do this and I'm
like yeah I I think this is a subject that the public needs to hear and um he brought a panel with him that included a Survivor we had L Linda Hamilton there who was a director of bridging freedom and several others on the panel um it
was gut-sick and then to actually hear a Survivor speak and the other ones go along with it but it raised the awareness that we wanted to be involved and so Wesley Chapel rotary took the
lead and there's not a rotary club in the district that did not participate in some way financially and they raised uh $435,000 and with that and the partnering of a lender um they were able to do the groundbreaking on the what was
it a week week ago Friday that we were there the 28th and um for two homes and so we're pretty excited about it and anything that the county will do to get the word out I mean it it scares the Daylights out of me to think that my grandchild could be picked up somewhere
along the line and and trafficked and it can happen to any of us for us that think that it can't happen it will and I think you have blinders on if you don't think it's happening around here because it is and Florida is the number one Target and in the entire world Florida
is number one and it's it's scary to think that it's in our backyard and I think that the people need to wake up and get involved and try to stop it somehow protect our children so thank you for letting me speak and if you notice the shovels each shovel was
painted by one of the by one of the girls one of the kids that are there the kids that were escaped and each children the children yeah these are children that are already housed at bridging Freedom that took the the time to paint each one of those shovels and each one
of them had a message and it is emotional when you look at it and you you see their message on there it's it it's they're pouring their heart out and painting um you know Allan if you've ever heard him speak he he brings you to tears because
it's a reality for him and to to hear him speak every single time it's a different story and a different child and it's how how can this continue and can we stop it so anything that the commission can do I I am greatly appreciative of so thank
you yeah so this is with Laura Hamilton yeah right um I've actually reached outour as well and I've sent mik some information on it trying to do something through the CB cbgd at least for the lodging Parts it may be an opportunity
we try to work on it sounds good that would be awesome thank you I appreciate that commissioner and remember we have a group of the these women who come to amskills every Thursday and are learning a trade and making things and Recovery awesome
awesome the work they're doing out there but this you know just shows the work that the collaborative effort that the rotaries and this District get together and they come up with an idea and the collaboration and here we are a couple years down the road where people thought it was impossible and no we were told it
was going to be impossible impossible listen to tell us it's impossible we're going to show you not here here they are so you know wonderful work um a great day to celebrate helping people in a bad spot so you're doing this at Generations
because the the residence is anonymous correct exactly for their safety security yes exactly exactly I'd just like to mention that due to the nature of the things the clerk's office deals with um we too have participated in the
Attorney General's training programs that were 100 % except for new people that were exactly so to be aware of because we see things coming in for I'm sure yeah marriage licenses or passports
that don't necessarily look right are we a 100% organization almost right the uh the awareness train that's uh I think I mandated the end of next month to have that completed we're at about half the organization at least okay
okay thank you very much thank you I appreciate you and um couple more things so we had so we also had our Springs Coast meeting um the the uh five projects with a handful of projects were sent to the governing board of district
and they were approved so it's just rolling through that process and I don't know uh outside of committee meetings um David go do we want to talk about the
live the the new live local Bill update or is now not should we should we wait I I I bring this up because it's it makes it worse it HS I need to bring too and latest on that I I made a promise to if
there was any movement on this topic that we would swiftly bring it bring it to the board and discuss it because we were Tipp of the spear last year and I figure Ralph did make me aware of a bill that's pending that does make live local
worse um I don't remember the bill number Ralph yeah uh there are two bills uh 943 C 943 and 1730 1730 is probably the more egregious one although 943 is almost as
bad but notably it basically not only preempts everything live local preempted but it also preempts live local related moratoriums which we've talked about in the past I know commissioner Mariano has brought those up and that bill would preempt moratoriums it also arguably
preempts our ability to do deed restrictions um to attack live local oh and potentially makes us subject to attorney fees if we litigate live local so basically everything that we've talked about doing to fight live local and have done to fight live local
this bill attempts to preempt so yes it does make live local substantially worse whose bill was it it's the same sponsor who sponsored live local the legislator from South Florida she's no
K kala cud I don't know how you say your last no no there you go thank you what is it but is she Senator she's the senator she's a senator but the house last time was Vicky it's Vick
lope I'm surprised weren't that weren't those the two that ran the original live local Bill local and they're also the ones that ran the local Amendment last year now technically Senate Bill 1730 does not have a companion bill in the house yet
but I think it's just a matter of time before they reconcile these two Bill they're two years in a row being successful in getting their little local language is pass so why wouldn't they do it a third time they've essentially taken our Playbook to Def ourselves and
our job creating sites that produce an economy and are using it against us that's what that's what the legislation I think that's accurate and you know it does beg the question should we even continue to approve new Industrial and Commercial and mixed use
zonings if we can't even protect them with deed restrictions and the things that we've been doing so you know mam I everything I've tried to do to fight live local this bill attacks unless they come in with the buyer you know and
they not speculative industrial obviously I mean that now by the way the other thing this does it makes it clear it applies to mudds which the prior legislation it was not clear it even applied to muds now this clarifies that it applies to MPS as
well mam chair yeah so it's clear the apartment industry has got a hold of the Senate and legislator now one of the things when we hired the third lobbyist this year was that we had a good TR connection with the governor I think we going need to have those we Mee
scheduled up yeah no my understanding is these bills do need to go to the rules committee is that accurate the rules yes but is isn't the Senate President in charge of rules yes although we do have three members of our delegation on rules as well we got all
Britain now no no that's the Senate President he's correct that the the chair of the rules committee is pido Ral can can we and by the way and the other committee this goes to I believe is committee Affairs which posa's also
on that committee as well Governor can we meet before Monday before I go up there maybe I can talk to um I think we're all going up who's going up we're going up on Tuesday good time for a discussion on that right now
so so next week currently we only have three going up this is this was a different event uh fa is meeting on Wednesday of next week Tuesday is the uh greater Pasco Chamber along with
representative jerger have put together a passco day I reached out to representative jer's office today to see if he has put together a timeline what they will be doing is having um I think one big group meeting in the chamber am
I correct commissioner uh where they'll have speakers coming in uh to meet with them I think they did that last time yes and then they will probably they may have uh office uh visits where they're going to again this is a busload of
people that have signed up to go up with a chamber so usually they don't give them office visits they do it in the chamber it isn't this fact legislative day and then it's fac day on Wednesday so that's why two of you existing are going up we have two Commissioners going
up you and commissioner Mariano and then commissioner Jagger is going up because uh Vier is doing this event with the greater Pasco Chamber are you staying through Wednesday so can we get some appointments please do we we can do that yes I mean
not yes we will be doing that so so just so you know on the bills that were brought up so faac reached out to the counties and asked for feedback on three of the growth management bills I gave that to them today they reached out to us on Monday uh I also supplied the
uh responses that we gave to fac uh to our legislative team or our lobby team so they are aware of it so that's where we are as of right now is that we've I've started the discussion started them you know to say here's where we're at how do we engage going
forward should we be more vocal here at the local level seeking their input on that and we'll have that hammered out before the end of the week okay well this will be a good time while it's still very early in the session to so get our voices I'll say the same thing I
said to Ralph which is we sort of found a way to live live with live local sorry that sounded bad but the current form of live local we can probably we found a way to manage it because of our DED restrictions and everything we do if
this passes it's going to be almost impossible right so I I think that's a warning shot that we won't do Industrial and Commercial conversions and so we need the I don't know I don't know what zonings you still could approve of this passes if you if you're trying to avoid
live local well we just build more Parks anyway David thank you iair okay U commissioner oakle U I have a an appointment for the Emergency Medical Services Advisory Board uh the person
that I had on that board at the time has resigned and I would like to recommend Dr Christian ssky from Bay St Joseph's hospitals is that's a motion replacement that's a motion
approve no I need a second second okay all in favor I hi okay I all right thank you is that all you got and that's everything okay and you're not coming to Tallahasse next week what you don't don't want to join us in Tallahasse next
week what day I'm going I'm going Ralph whenever Ralph does well Ralph's going to tell us so maybe you are going in you don't [Laughter] know okay all right um so now we're on
commissioner Jer okay well first on um the transportation disadvantage local Coordinating Board we had membership changes add some folks and Alternate as well as remove some updates were presented our go Pasco Transit
development plan board members made recommendations to include more messaging and Outreach and go Pasco presented updates on recent Outreach events that were done in the community so here we are on to the elfer
senior center I think um this Katherine brought this one up last time um where the ribbon cutting and the gentleman that cut the ribbon also attended the school yeah all right next slide okay this is um I think you yeah yep Bay
care yep Bay care you were there again and uh this is the first Behavior Health um urgent care in the state so we're very excited very proud about this one yeah really excited hopefully there'll be many more to come
next um our um February we did random acts of love and these were just some Foster families and we did um Pasco hope we also went there and visited them next
slide oh and this this was um this was a charity event and um oh boy between Seth and Jack um that was interesting I came in third place and um I don't cook so I Really Deserve last place but I think you came in last place didn't you yeah
and they gave me a medal I gave you back he would take it he wouldn't take it all right next slide up and that was just opening session um went to Tallahassee and um the ladies had a ladies lunch at the governor's mansion
with Casey DeSantis and we just discussed um hope for Florida and just expanding that initiative so I'm looking forward to getting plugged into that and that is all you have any other VIP lunches coming up here
[Laughter] Tony's got a few pictures for me we'll see how the lineup goes which one you want to start uh just we'll just go you can try to keep the colony col keep the Colony Road ones
till last okay we get to the fluff stuff first what up in DC that was a five for five lunch lunching or dinner dinner if anybody wants a metal there's one probably at the table did you like my toast I work hard
on that toast so there's a living Shoreline project I've heard staff talk about it many times but at the uh restore Council they had a presentation done um I met with Mary Walker who's head of the council which is PL two money and uh this could be something you
could see coming forward from us uh Anthony Colleen and and the whole team are actually looking at this project here to see how it's done it protects waves and slows them down from coming in and with all the canal restoration I think it's going to be very economical for us to do it and we can use combined
money to actually cut the cost down go next slide uh that was the Bay care event and this was the nce conference which I talked to Mike carbella and I talked to Nick uran about joining nce National Association of County Engineers
uh Margaret used to go to it and I know when Nick first started just didn't quite have the time but I think it's a organ organization that is worth him looking at and he's going to talk to Mike about it as well uh that was in front of the US Department of Transportation so Mike JJ
myself and that's Randy Shane from APS yeah that was C you guys I want I want to tell you the difference in going to to DC from years ago just phenomenally different um other than when Trump got elected we went up for the Ridge Road
Project and how we get received in a positive way there the dot was phenomenal and they had uh some good young folks that were listening to us was a day before the federal group where they all get together in a room we kind of go table to table and they were so receptive everything we were talking
about our main focus was that US 41 54 Corridor overpass they were they were great all the way through and then when I talked about the spray jet Paving which cost very little more money but you get a much better Bond because it's a better polymer better process they're actually going to work with fdot to go
study the spec and maybe bringing it Forward they were all about trying to do efficiency and they asked a really good question though the one girl from uh that was I think inter government fars she says what's the return of investment so I've got them studyed to get that number to get back to them to get to the
numbers so it was a really like I said super receptive up there and our Congressman Laura Lee was up there with our firefighters as well uh she was very helpful she was in the middle middle of a committee came out and we actually met with her team the next day
and that's all the Florida Representatives that were up there next picture is a little bit funnier next shot uh and there we have with Congressman Bill aracas and I'll tell you one of the things I was up there we were talking about was the steps to recovery program for the veterans going
from 32 to 64 they've been so afraid about getting the extension when secretary Collins from the VA was presenting in front of the whole uh Na County Commissioners he made a comment he says look we're cutting we're cutting we're cutting we don't have any extra money to throw out there but if there's
any help you need in process to help the veterans let us know so we introduced it to a lady that was there in the audience uh JJ was phenomenal Sprint it to the back got her card I got to talk to her the next day from the midst of talking to a congress from bacas to talking to
um the steps of recovery team they had a special board meeting approved to look for an ex ask ask for the extension to kind of like look for 64 beds to go make that step if they get the VA extension Congressman B rockus is still I think getting ready to meet I haven't got the
word back yet but he's going to meet with secretary Collin he thinks he's going to get it done they'll have the extension so we're going to go from 32 beds instead we'll be able to go to 62 beds using cdbg drr money that all qualifies through so it could be a great day for our vets and again it was it was
just great being up there making watching things happen up there was crazy next one in FEMA FEMA was unbelievable yeah talking to I mean M Mike was on the line um JJ was there and the two firefighters uh with with with
us and it was such a great conversation uh Aubrey right there was the one who facilitated all everybody in the room and literally we talked about the pickup how it went for the trash how I said when you H hire the top guy from the bid the way you put it out there that top guy goes up out there he finds an
intermediary then they hire the people actually do the work and they make next them nothing that's just the way we had it set up after um Helen came in and Milton was coming what you let us go do is hire direct we got much better work tremendous pickup and the money stayed right in the economy they're going to go
work with us to get a baseline to fure out how much trash we get because I told them I says what you make us do is you make us pick it up by volume then it's got to go to a spot they got to crush it down then it goes to another spot to another spot I says all that touch I says we're a county that's got a burn
plan if you knew what how much trash we took in and had a baseline of that so let's say the months before two months before become a pre-close give us that Baseline number and whatever trash I bring in by weight from there if I decide to burn it move it store it you know with Metals Recycling then let me
go separate it all out and not have to do it the way you're doing it I said we could probably do it cheaper get it better and get it done quicker so they were agreeable to that um another conversation was has about as far as mitigation goes I said you know I've got all these mobile home trailers
that if they were just up about 4T higher probably had like next nothing for damage if I had homes that were just up 4 feet higher in certain areas along the coast they would be higher they they'd be safer you might have you might have cut down 95 99% of your damage if
everything was just 5 foot higher instead of going up to the full BF and over and above let me do a compromise because you would have saved Millions maybe billions of dollars up and down the area I said so let's if you would let's go take a look at doing that I know it goes against what you want but
if it's a middle position that makes people safer they can stay in their home and you can spend a whole lot less money let's go take a look at it they're willing to go take a look at it so good literally the attitude in DC right now is phenomenal they want to look the cut but they want to do efficiency things they don't want to just keep doing
things the way they've been doing it for year after year so that was like a great set of meetings we we're going to do some follow-ups with them about uh the different things we talked about next page I got a few sets so Sun West Park you guys got to go see this at some point so this is around
the second Lake look how wide that is they were able to raise it up just with the dirt that was there level it all down raise it up so it's nice and high so it' be safe protected it's not going to be able to put a trailer around just go ahead and go to the next couple of pitures there's like another section around the corner there's my wife
Michelle was that the west side or South side that was on the uh the north side would be the the north side is that would be the that would be the West Side there okay yeah that's on the west side out that's looking for the west side back over the
lake there's the side running to the south on the uh uh South Side next picture now this this is on the back of the big lake okay gosh you could have a high school high school um races
there yes y so on the back side you can see the white Beach that's where the other side of Lake is literally when we had the scholar fest last year I could hear the music walking the lake all the way across so now we're set up to open up on April 12th we do a ribbon cutting
for this this is getting paved this week and this is good enough for a 5K run around it yeah exactly is actually set up a take 10k run as well took around the whole lake and around so what we're going to be able to do out there I'm looking at every you want to see carbal on that race there you go got a good mic
but but I'm looking at all the Charities we have in all the high schools and middle schools Etc that want to do runs fun runs Etc we should be able to do at least two to three let's say let's say every weekend and maybe two to three depending on how you do it during the day you could actually do it and everybody's safe we
can get all the stuff from school Coast all the supplies we need and just kind of like create a great environment for our people let them have some fun and I think make it make it even a better place next Pages running is not fun we can you can walk Fun Run fun
walk got now there's a barge picking up wol dos and everything around there uh I'll tell you Colleen what is all that that's debris in theal debris in the can people been throwing in I broke away ducks that
that slipped away so yep so Colin you want to come up talk about it for a second we heard people were throwing things in that Canal too well I tell we we actually found a trailer wow with a pipe going right into the canal nice Denise is working on it right now with
Colleen and trying to track that down but we are so far ahead I watch down when Ian hit and it took them over a year to go into these canals and put get the debris out fish it out and that all breaks down and makes the water quality
horrible for our Canal I I have debris stuck under my second boat lift that was floating out we we don't know what someone's dock or something can this guy come get it absolutely they can you just I've been actually collecting addresses
I've sent it to all the HOAs asking for maps we've been sending maps to our waist team we didn't know how to get it out Tim treer and Kevin they've done a marvelous job but we're so far ahead just because it took them over a year down to
get all this stuff out in in uh in Ian and I'm pushed them to start looking at it immediately so that was just the first one so there's a lot more to come out of the canals Colleen appreciate all your help Colleen Weaver uh oh we had the presidential
vesture vesture at Pasco handle State College what an awesome day that was uh great celebration we are very lucky to have Jesse in our uh in ad doing a great job picture of US senator Simpson was
there former president beard now interim president of fmu so the shrimp and crab fest for the first time where they had the uh the bands and everything else was now a paved parking lot just I said just walking in there it just looked
completely different such a positive thing and then to all the vendors that were out there just like they were amazed how great the park was this will show you a couple of pictures there one of the bands playing different food trucks that were out there yeah got
there that's everybody had a great time the vendors were so thrilled with it and the people had a blast next great yeah that truck's going away don't but there's all the people sitting out there in a nice nice
atmosphere all right whose stage was that uh rented stage all right so this is just so you know this is a Foxfire in peach Tree fox actually Colony Road and Foxfire The Colony Road Project I'm just and I'm showing you just a few things around the
area just to get a feel what's going on Jeep you know it's got a U-turn a U-turn a U-turn I keep going that was taken by Clint wind now there's a picture remember I told you about a a road was going through when they had a t t-section
going through if you look to the left picture between the three trees that are there you see three little pylons right there and then there's like a little dip in the road but they put a connection for it to go to the side of the house which is not far from the street that's why I said the connection we should be be working on we're doing it there clip
the corner kind of clip the corner it's it's just even going through it just it sets up for a tea there why it's why a tea right there with the open fence doesn't make sense to me but okay goes into Valley and and people don't know all right next picture so this is this is the sign side of that same street this is a side
street that goes out to Colony but you don't have any drainage in here and everything's from above that kind of flows down and the roads are getting washed out now I w't say washed up but they're getting water when they have the floor but we had this development come in no sidewalk beside it on a road road
going all the way down how was that I I don't know haven't asked the question yet but we're throwing it out there now good in the next picture so there's a picture of the same fence with the with the Gap go ahead there's a picture of the te kind of how it just opened up but I kind of think those fence it's someone's
backyard that we should be blocking that off this this is out on Colony Road so here's the end of it what the roadway and the drainage is right there right I mean what are we doing who did that I don't know and that is what the go to the worst part go to but I see Metro's uh Sun Sun Metro's lights were there
yeah so here's right beside where that was now there's a sidewalk going out to the street on Colony but nothing going up and down in Colony and then if you look there's no drainage here so I got a I got a cul right there taking all that all that storm water go ahead and take the next
picture next picture so this is a Culver and look on both sides I got a C it all that water is supposed to go where right where's it got to go there's nowhere for it to go and it takes all that from up there so you had all that opportunity to go through to put
drainage in but we didn't put it in place nor sidewalk running all the way down yeah can we have someone look at this Mr carbal so go ahead next piure this is on 52 Now 52 we just improved the road we're making this a
vision Road when we were repaving that and knowing this was a fishion road if it was done at time I don't know yet but that would have been a time for a turn line know you think if I'm going to get that road going all the way up it didn't happen but there's all that land that's there go to the next picture that's it okay well anyway so if
you look at all that land right there you got an opportunity for something to happen is that so anyway what intersection is that that's a Colony Road and 52 okay there's like a dunk of don't just there next to a do by the staff great job making Duncan connect the roadway connecting in with doler
General did a great job there but again if we're going to be looking at the long-term plan we just got to like really focus on this stuff and I really think staff needs to before this uh hearing comes up for cyle again to go out there and go look at this whole area the palmwoods neighborhood to the north
nice shot all the way out all the way down that connects in there's no reason we shouldn't have the same thing coming up here but we'll get to that hearing later on but I just I just think it's support for everyone to see this stuff here I was with the residents yesterday so that's all I have okay
right Mr carbal thank you I just wanted to Echo what commissioner marani had said about the Washington DC trip I felt that uh you know we did a good job of establishing relationships again with our federal delegation reinforcing those but as well as a lot of these agencies and folks within within the agency so
the next steps would be to follow up with those folks and and again to continue to uh improve our approach to Federal relations between the county and federal government so other than that no thank you thank you for coming up there it's
great um one of you two I don't have anything thank you I'll yield to the clerk yes uh Nikki uh clerk Alvarez Sol had just a couple items we like to bring forward um recently we had
passport Saturday and uh 86 passport ports in one day um the volume of passports that our office there's two good things that the clerk's office the fun things that the clerk's office gets to do and that's passports and marriage licenses there the um most of the reason
our other people come on any given day is not a good thing uh so passports so we wanted to thank facilities and the county for coordinating what is to make that happen on uh the Saturday the 1st of uh March um and we also wanted to
mention out there that on the other side of the coin operation Greenlight so we want to get the word out that operation Greenlight is continuing through Friday March the 21st for those who not familiar with it that means you don't have a suspended license or an
outstanding ticket but that uh that there are substantial fees that are being waved during this time period to enable people to get their licenses back in uh in uh good condition and by waving some of those fees so if you know
someone now's the time to take advantage of operation Greenlight and uh be able to save money and get back on good graces with your driver's license thank you that's it okay um well go to my pictures I
think the first one's Bay care and yeah we're the the first uh first ones in the state if not the country to do this so very very proud of this one um uh actually you know when we had our Tri County um meeting with the Commissioners
from the other uh with Hillsboro and pelis if you remember we we had asked for updates on what they were doing with the opio money and both of those counties came up and said what they were thinking about doing and then our staff came up and said we're doing this Paula we're doing this
we're doing this and we're doing this and I'll tell you what you know I had dinner with commissioner Peters and commissioner Shear in Washington from pelis and they were very impressed and commissioner Peters who does a lot with with Behavioral Health is coming up to
uh take a look at our our program and actually I think we should be submitting it for a n award yes and um I want to hook you hook you guys up with the that committee at no to be part of a conference call and maybe even present
but commiss starky yeah in the the way they did that building was so phenomenal I didn't get to go in it cuz I had another meeting I had to zip out so I'm telling you the way the way they designed that building was very efficient but the textures everything was just so well set up I mean it was I
knew it was going to be good but it was absolutely phenomenal how great it was I I'm looking forward to my Tour all right um yes the no legislative conference um there there we are at dinner with the uh the Commissioners from pelis and JJ um
and uh we just had a a wonderful conference um and time on the hill I think that our legislative delegation we met with Senator Scott and bakus and then um you met with Lee but we met with her staff um very receptive
to uh I think some of the things that were asking for especially the EOC money and um um I'm trying to remember who that is speaking up there Oh Canada that was the Canadian embassy the board of directors had an event there
and um I think it was the board of directors yeah and um you know they're not happy about the Tariff so I I left right after that to join you guys with our lobbyist for dinner um but I'm I'm sorry for those who got sick in Washington because there was a lot of
flu going around uh what's next what else do we have uh oh we went and went to tour station 17 you drive by the by buy this all the time and um this is the one that stopped the the the contractor went out
of business and the bond the bond company had to find a new a new company so it's finally open it is um it is something I wish I had a kitchen like that that's all I can say uh it's and
they they say that the people drive by honk the horn cuz they're so excited that it's finally open so so that was a fun day um what else do we have I went to the cultural Affairs advisory committee meeting yesterday I think it was
yesterday at starky Cultural Center great group of folks and um they have some really big ideas and I look forward to them one day coming and talking in front of us um but uh on Tuesday
commissioner no Mike carbal and I and whoever else is going we're going to tour the new the museum that's at wend Ken um supposed to be fantastic so and then we're going up to Tallahasse so if anyone wants to come tour Wendel kren
10:00 a.m. on Tuesday uh you know half of that school was was Ridgewood and um it's now Wendel Ken technical school in half and the other half the school district has lent it 5,000 ft to this gentleman who has an amazing archaeological collection of which most
of it is in storage so I think we're going to I've I've heard it's amazing so I'm looking forward to that um okay driving up here I I was on the Sun Coast and I was buying a Coastal Truck I I'll talk about that in a second
a Coastal Truck and garbage was just coming out of the back I don't know who Coastal is is that one of our trucks Coastal is one of the new vendors in okay I mean every 10 seconds a bag was coming out it was really frustrating and
I honked at him when I drove past him but I'm sure he didn't know why I was honking at him um but you know I couldn't let it go by without doing something didn't flip the finger at him but he wouldn't have known what that was for either okay um I was wondering if
we uh received the septic to sewer grant for Riverside Village because I heard we would get our answer representative Jer was working on it I Was Heard we'd get our answer by the time the session started so this is this was the FG uh
request no one knows I have not heard but we'll reach out okay I think she's texting Brad so I am to so commission chair to that point um FD at Springs Coast did a presentation on nitrates and how other
other water steer Springs committees throughout the state manage their their programs and I asked the question well what's who has the model as far as nitrogen and septic sewer and all all the proactive steps that we take and uh
the uh DP agency head over over it said the Springs Coast our Springs Coast steering committee in this area that collectively the the cities and the counties that are involved in this in this spring shed management plans and the baps that that we're number one and
that they use us as the model so points like what commissioner jger is working on and representative Jer is working on as far as trying to septic sewer conversions and we're seemingly our region is leading the state we haven't done one in our County so it's not us our County buty
but it's a region effort everybody's voting to it yeah so um I thought that was pretty cool yeah that is so while you're might be frustrated we're not getting them here our region it's just a matter of time because our region is is
leading the way on those effort I I look forward to our first septic toour compersion um okay uh I sent this to Sean I don't know where I got this but House Bill 481 um and is Keith still here no so if
you've been to out anot River Park um I'm sure many of you have been and you see um let let me send you this picture I'm going to send this to Tony um okay let let me do this one before I go to that commissioner um I was on call just
looking over here on Colony I see a picture from Google Earth of of um cars on the road this is th we we can't have we need code enforcement up in their District the these are just wrecked up cars along the
side of the road in um on on Colony so it's just not a good environment for people to live in all right four uh 481 has to someone sponsored it has to do with moing balls
and if you've Tony if you got that picture still don't have okay I might have sent it to the wrong Tony um but if you've been to if you've been to ano River where the boat ramps are there's all these moing balls there by by the gulf by the uh Power Station
and they are there 365 days a year and they're they're using what should be traveling moing balls as their own moing ball uh place and he told me had told me there was nothing we could do about it
and I want to 100% support this house bill 481 which are you coming up on the language I don't know if you have this up in Hudson with moing B you guys know what a moing ball is it's one of those balls that's permanently there in the water
and when you're visiting somewhere you tie up to it these guys have hogged them all there at Tarpon they just live there we have a does is restrict local regulations of vessels outside of Mark boundaries and moing Fields in certain counties and areas of critical State
concern this only deals with Miami da and the um bis Gade Bay so how can we get included because it's not fair that those boats are tying those up and then when other boter are coming to the area they cannot tie up and swim swim to land
and you would have to get the person who's running the bill to amend it and yeah it so basically it says regulations all right so then we go down further um critical concern designate specified uh sections at viscan Bay and Miami day
County as grandfathered in anchoring limitation areas increases prohibited anchoring and moing distances of vessels floating structures near public moing Fields so i' have to go in and and look and then uh I I'll see if there's a
right now there is not a there is a senate sponsor 6 uh 866 and if there's something that you want us to try to address we can go talk to this well what do you think these are public moing balls and these people get on them and they're on there forever who
installed them I don't know I mean were they is it I need to answer that one no they're in our County they're in they're in P they're in our County they're in the out they're right off the docks of ano River
Park I'll send this picture to you Mike and then um yeah and then someone said cool thanks whatever Tony that was that I sent that to and then I'll get with a county attorney and we'll discuss this a little bit further yeah okay I'm GNA
step away then I got I got another bill I've got a in so I got to go on a conference call right now okay but I I just okay I send it to you maybe you can send it to that Tony cuz I only have that Tony in by first name too I have too many Tony um I'd like to I'd like to
I'd like it there to be a rule that you can't stay there for more than two or three days I mean you can't you can't permanently hog a public moing Ball B so something doesn't seem sound right about not being able to
do anything if they were installed by us um and they're and they are public um that's granted it's been 20 years since I've done this research but that's why you create a moing field is so that you
can control okay how people are anchoring in your jurisdiction so can anyone just drop a moing ball anywhere they want and have their own private little Marina well I mean because that's kind of what's going on over there they have their own private
Marina well you have to you'd have to have them permitted by D um to to install them if it's if it is in fact a moing field I think we need to look at it did you get the picture Mike sometimes
they all right and while he's loading that up the last thing I did was um I tour um angelene with David Engle and um you know I was really concerned about their trails granted they're not built yet but I have better hopes that um
we're going to have some some some good trails in there I'm going to try and help them to make it even better um but if you haven't uh visited their little farm it's absolutely Charming Charming so um did you get
it Sor well that's yeah well you waiting on the can I bring up something that I forgot yeah is this what this is yes okay everyone got one of these so while up in DC I was talking with group this group here Markman and guide house and there's others out there as well they do Consulting for it I was looking at Sarasota how they started out with one
it worked out pretty well for they're doing more of this stuff of their own uh one of the things they met with HUD and actually they were trying to get the exemption for us to be able to use cdbg money for our Emergency Center and that conversation is going on they're actually pushing it as well uh I think they might be able help us with like
Magnolia Valley they might be help with with sand to drive relocation project for the trailers that are on the water that got flooded out to go Inland a little bit and and make some things happen there so I think one of the things I recommended Mike was just because the tight line the timeline was so quick that maybe you should be
looking doing a 30 or 60-day extension letter to them if you haven't done that already but it might be a good thing to give it just a little more time to go I know I know I was pushing hard to try to get us to quick but I think maybe a 30 or 60 day might be a good good idea to go take a look at when the appropr time this year we we've already contemplated
an extension so you think that the timeline actually is going to be self corrected with the new Universal notice but if we don't get anything 30 days or so we'll take that okay all right it looks like those boats are sunken and maybe there are some sunken ones I don't know but that is the area that I'm
talking about that these um boats are there 365 days a year that's crazy they never move uh and um yeah or if they go they they go out and come back to their ball you know no one no one
it's it's like a free Marina and it's so I'd I'd like an investigation into that um Mike I I keep forgetting to ask you about this but um we need the we need to have coding Parcels on the
property PR appraisers website so we need to talk to Wells on this yeah you know what I need my staff to explain that a little more but um there's something missing yeah I'll talk to you about this
out something to do with real property and they're not coding it okay if that's it then we are journ um [Music] [Music]
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